Re: VoiceOver going mute on Mac OS
Okay, When I started having this problem in july or august of 2012 after buying my first Mac, I used to mess around with the volume buttons, and try turning VO off and on a couple of times. Eventually, maybe after a few minutes, VO would come up talking. I asked about this problem on the list and Ricardo Walker suggested hitting Command F5 four times in quick succession. I don't know how he came up with that strategy, but it worked, and has continued to work every time VO flakes out on me after a good nights sleep. I don't know about five times, maybe that's a typo. Pretty soon there'll be a whole mythology about the number of times to hit command F5, with different camps a spousing different numbers… On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Paul - When this happens with me, I find five presses of CMD f5 usually works, it takes a couple of seconds after the fifth press - Andy On 16 Dec 2013, at 10:28, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello, I am running Mac OS 10.9 on my 2009 iMac. Sometimes VO refuses to speak after my iMac has been awaken after several hours asleep. Pressing command+F5 does not help so I have to power-off and then power-on again to restore VO. I recall reading in this forum that you can often recover VO by quickly pressing command+F5 several times but I cannot remember how many times and whether I have to wait a bit after the requisite number of presses before VO will start speaking again. I would appreciate any guidance on how to restart VO on Mac OS if VO goes mute. Many thanks Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: VoiceOver going mute on Mac OS
All I can add, is that I discovered the 5 times myself, from just trying to resolve this issue in the early days of having this MBA. I think it needs to be an odd number of times because it has already gone off, and doing it 3 times doesn't seem to work - Andy On 16 Dec 2013, at 13:33, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, When I started having this problem in july or august of 2012 after buying my first Mac, I used to mess around with the volume buttons, and try turning VO off and on a couple of times. Eventually, maybe after a few minutes, VO would come up talking. I asked about this problem on the list and Ricardo Walker suggested hitting Command F5 four times in quick succession. I don't know how he came up with that strategy, but it worked, and has continued to work every time VO flakes out on me after a good nights sleep. I don't know about five times, maybe that's a typo. Pretty soon there'll be a whole mythology about the number of times to hit command F5, with different camps a spousing different numbers… On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Paul - When this happens with me, I find five presses of CMD f5 usually works, it takes a couple of seconds after the fifth press - Andy On 16 Dec 2013, at 10:28, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello, I am running Mac OS 10.9 on my 2009 iMac. Sometimes VO refuses to speak after my iMac has been awaken after several hours asleep. Pressing command+F5 does not help so I have to power-off and then power-on again to restore VO. I recall reading in this forum that you can often recover VO by quickly pressing command+F5 several times but I cannot remember how many times and whether I have to wait a bit after the requisite number of presses before VO will start speaking again. I would appreciate any guidance on how to restart VO on Mac OS if VO goes mute. Many thanks Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at:
VoiceOver going mute
Hi, I've had the following experience on my iPhone twice now where VoiceOver gets muted and it can't easily be unmuted. When in an application the volume is turned down to zero with the button on the side. The app is then closed and/or the phone locked. When I unlock the phone VoiceOver is now silent. VoiceOver is running because icons need a double tap, but raising the volume doesn't help. Indeed, the volume in settings reads 100%. The solution to the problem is to run the app which was last being run, and then the volume buttons do as expected. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I may not have exactly described how the problem comes about, but its as close as I can work out at the mo. It may also have something to do with VO being on the triple home button press toggle. Best to all, chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: VoiceOver going mute
Chris, I can't say I have. But then again I haven't made a habit of turning volume down so low, so perhaps it's something reproducible. I don't really care to try though. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I've had the following experience on my iPhone twice now where VoiceOver gets muted and it can't easily be unmuted. When in an application the volume is turned down to zero with the button on the side. The app is then closed and/or the phone locked. When I unlock the phone VoiceOver is now silent. VoiceOver is running because icons need a double tap, but raising the volume doesn't help. Indeed, the volume in settings reads 100%. The solution to the problem is to run the app which was last being run, and then the volume buttons do as expected. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I may not have exactly described how the problem comes about, but its as close as I can work out at the mo. It may also have something to do with VO being on the triple home button press toggle. Best to all, chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Voiceover going mute
From time to time Voiceover mutes itself on my phone but it does not appear to have anything to do with me adjusting the volume. It happens unpredictably. When it first happened I thought I had a hardware problem with the speaker. Weirdly on these occasions Voiceover can still be heard through earphones. The recommended solution, put Voiceover into say all on an application like iBooks or Safari and then increase the volume whilst Voiceover is speaking with the earphones removed does not work for me. Thankfully so far the problem has always resolved itself by one of the following events. 1. Sometimes but not always it clears if I receive a call on the phone. 2. So far restarting the phone has reliably cleared the problem but it is a worry during the reboot. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Goodwin Sent: 15 December 2013 22:27 To: MacAccessList Subject: VoiceOver going mute Hi, I've had the following experience on my iPhone twice now where VoiceOver gets muted and it can't easily be unmuted. When in an application the volume is turned down to zero with the button on the side. The app is then closed and/or the phone locked. When I unlock the phone VoiceOver is now silent. VoiceOver is running because icons need a double tap, but raising the volume doesn't help. Indeed, the volume in settings reads 100%. The solution to the problem is to run the app which was last being run, and then the volume buttons do as expected. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I may not have exactly described how the problem comes about, but its as close as I can work out at the mo. It may also have something to do with VO being on the triple home button press toggle. Best to all, chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: VoiceOver going mute
I do know there is a bug that I told apple about. If you accidentally hit both the up and down volume buttons together voiceover gets killed. It even kills triple click of home. That might be what is going on. On Dec 15, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Chris, I can't say I have. But then again I haven't made a habit of turning volume down so low, so perhaps it's something reproducible. I don't really care to try though. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I've had the following experience on my iPhone twice now where VoiceOver gets muted and it can't easily be unmuted. When in an application the volume is turned down to zero with the button on the side. The app is then closed and/or the phone locked. When I unlock the phone VoiceOver is now silent. VoiceOver is running because icons need a double tap, but raising the volume doesn't help. Indeed, the volume in settings reads 100%. The solution to the problem is to run the app which was last being run, and then the volume buttons do as expected. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I may not have exactly described how the problem comes about, but its as close as I can work out at the mo. It may also have something to do with VO being on the triple home button press toggle. Best to all, chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover going mute
Why not rest the springboard when this is happening. it's quicker then a power off. Just hit power 5 times and wait for it to do its thing. Take care. On Dec 15, 2013, at 3:55 PM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: From time to time Voiceover mutes itself on my phone but it does not appear to have anything to do with me adjusting the volume. It happens unpredictably. When it first happened I thought I had a hardware problem with the speaker. Weirdly on these occasions Voiceover can still be heard through earphones. The recommended solution, put Voiceover into say all on an application like iBooks or Safari and then increase the volume whilst Voiceover is speaking with the earphones removed does not work for me. Thankfully so far the problem has always resolved itself by one of the following events. 1. Sometimes but not always it clears if I receive a call on the phone. 2. So far restarting the phone has reliably cleared the problem but it is a worry during the reboot. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Goodwin Sent: 15 December 2013 22:27 To: MacAccessList Subject: VoiceOver going mute Hi, I've had the following experience on my iPhone twice now where VoiceOver gets muted and it can't easily be unmuted. When in an application the volume is turned down to zero with the button on the side. The app is then closed and/or the phone locked. When I unlock the phone VoiceOver is now silent. VoiceOver is running because icons need a double tap, but raising the volume doesn't help. Indeed, the volume in settings reads 100%. The solution to the problem is to run the app which was last being run, and then the volume buttons do as expected. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I may not have exactly described how the problem comes about, but its as close as I can work out at the mo. It may also have something to do with VO being on the triple home button press toggle. Best to all, chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically
Re: Voiceover going mute
What is that? I've not done that before. Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Voiceover going mute Why not rest the springboard when this is happening. it's quicker then a power off. Just hit power 5 times and wait for it to do its thing. Take care. On Dec 15, 2013, at 3:55 PM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: From time to time Voiceover mutes itself on my phone but it does not appear to have anything to do with me adjusting the volume. It happens unpredictably. When it first happened I thought I had a hardware problem with the speaker. Weirdly on these occasions Voiceover can still be heard through earphones. The recommended solution, put Voiceover into say all on an application like iBooks or Safari and then increase the volume whilst Voiceover is speaking with the earphones removed does not work for me. Thankfully so far the problem has always resolved itself by one of the following events. 1. Sometimes but not always it clears if I receive a call on the phone. 2. So far restarting the phone has reliably cleared the problem but it is a worry during the reboot. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Goodwin Sent: 15 December 2013 22:27 To: MacAccessList Subject: VoiceOver going mute Hi, I've had the following experience on my iPhone twice now where VoiceOver gets muted and it can't easily be unmuted. When in an application the volume is turned down to zero with the button on the side. The app is then closed and/or the phone locked. When I unlock the phone VoiceOver is now silent. VoiceOver is running because icons need a double tap, but raising the volume doesn't help. Indeed, the volume in settings reads 100%. The solution to the problem is to run the app which was last being run, and then the volume buttons do as expected. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I may not have exactly described how the problem comes about, but its as close as I can work out at the mo. It may also have something to do with VO being on the triple home button press toggle. Best to all, chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E
RE: VoiceOver going mute
Hi there I'm not sure if it is exactly what you describe, but I have had my IPad go silent on me. To fix this, I've just done the rset where you press the home and power buttons down together and lift your finger off the power button and it seems to right itself. Cheers Paula -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline Sent: Monday, 16 December 2013 10:37 AM To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: VoiceOver going mute Chris, I can't say I have. But then again I haven't made a habit of turning volume down so low, so perhaps it's something reproducible. I don't really care to try though. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I've had the following experience on my iPhone twice now where VoiceOver gets muted and it can't easily be unmuted. When in an application the volume is turned down to zero with the button on the side. The app is then closed and/or the phone locked. When I unlock the phone VoiceOver is now silent. VoiceOver is running because icons need a double tap, but raising the volume doesn't help. Indeed, the volume in settings reads 100%. The solution to the problem is to run the app which was last being run, and then the volume buttons do as expected. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I may not have exactly described how the problem comes about, but its as close as I can work out at the mo. It may also have something to do with VO being on the triple home button press toggle. Best to all, chris --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
tabbed browsing with voiceover on the mac
hi all when i am using tabbed browsing rather than a page in a new window how can i quickly jump between tabs? on windows it is control tab but this is not working on the mac? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: tabbed browsing with voiceover on the mac
Hmm! That's weird! ctrl+Tab should definitely be working. Chris. - Original Message - From: William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: tabbed browsing with voiceover on the mac hi all when i am using tabbed browsing rather than a page in a new window how can i quickly jump between tabs? on windows it is control tab but this is not working on the mac? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Hebrew and voiceover/braille was Re: how does apple create it'svoiceover voices?
Hey guys, those of you interested in Hebrew, I'm pretty sure there's a few, I learned something today. There's an open source speech to text engine that is configured to read Israeli Hebrew. It's called Qaryan Hebrew TTS. Now, here's what I know. It's free to download and like I said, open source. I do not know yet if it works with voiceover, but I imagine it probably could with some initial work and testing. Here's the other thing, it's initially configured to run off of linux for the mac, or windows. I think it can be worked for OS 10 also, but can't tell yet. Now, would any of you who want to ultimately have a Hebrew screen reading voice that works with voiceover wanna work with me to try and see if we could ever make this Qaryan Hebrew TTS thing work? I'd bet that if we got our heads together, we could work it out alright and then we'd have ourselves a Hebrew voice for voiceover. Anybody interested? Laurel On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:48 AM, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: I'm with you there. Hebrew would be beautiful with our iPhone. Why not? Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:20 AM Subject: Hebrew and voiceover/braille was Re: how does apple create it'svoiceover voices? Yeah, note I just changed the subject. :-) I love Hebrew, and it's slightly disappointing to me that there's no voiceover voice for Hebrew, and the mac doesn't support Hebrew braille. If they can do Arabic, they can do Hebrew. Do any of you ever see Apple adding additional languages like Hebrew in the future? Or could they be finished for the mean time adding new languages. Laurel On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:11 AM, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: You speak Hebrew? Me, too. I'd love that. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices? That's true, but I would love to learn more about specifically how voices are recorded to build text to speach engines. One of my bucket list life dreams would be to work creating voiceover voices in other languages that I speak, like Hebrew for example. Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: It's probably a lot to do though… Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft
ordering voiceover voices on the mac
When moving through the voiceover utility or roter on the mac, selecting different voices, is there a way to order the voices in the order of your favorite, or the ones you would use the most, so it's easier to switch between them? Also, how do you go about selecting a specific voice for a specific language? Right now the only way I know of is to only check one voice per language, other than English, that I use. But what if I want both a male and female voice? Anyways, thoughts please? I'd like to be able to go through the voices I use the most without having to rifle through the rest. Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman
Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
It's probably a lot to do though… Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable
Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
That's true, but I would love to learn more about specifically how voices are recorded to build text to speach engines. One of my bucket list life dreams would be to work creating voiceover voices in other languages that I speak, like Hebrew for example. Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: It's probably a lot to do though… Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac
Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
To be honest, that's quite a big aspiration, but if you set your mind to it you can do it. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: That's true, but I would love to learn more about specifically how voices are recorded to build text to speach engines. One of my bucket list life dreams would be to work creating voiceover voices in other languages that I speak, like Hebrew for example. Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: It's probably a lot to do though… Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft
Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices?
You speak Hebrew? Me, too. I'd love that. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices? That's true, but I would love to learn more about specifically how voices are recorded to build text to speach engines. One of my bucket list life dreams would be to work creating voiceover voices in other languages that I speak, like Hebrew for example. Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: It's probably a lot to do though… Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted
Re: Hebrew and voiceover/braille was Re: how does apple create it'svoiceover voices?
I'm with you there. Hebrew would be beautiful with our iPhone. Why not? Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:20 AM Subject: Hebrew and voiceover/braille was Re: how does apple create it'svoiceover voices? Yeah, note I just changed the subject. :-) I love Hebrew, and it's slightly disappointing to me that there's no voiceover voice for Hebrew, and the mac doesn't support Hebrew braille. If they can do Arabic, they can do Hebrew. Do any of you ever see Apple adding additional languages like Hebrew in the future? Or could they be finished for the mean time adding new languages. Laurel On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:11 AM, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: You speak Hebrew? Me, too. I'd love that. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Re: how does apple create it's voiceover voices? That's true, but I would love to learn more about specifically how voices are recorded to build text to speach engines. One of my bucket list life dreams would be to work creating voiceover voices in other languages that I speak, like Hebrew for example. Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: It's probably a lot to do though… Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that's cool, so I'm assuming that even for the different languages and all, they just hire a voice actor to say a bunch of stuff, and then they put it together into a voice? Cool! I'd love to do something like that. :-) lol Laurel On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah there's a video of it on YouTube, I think it actually shows how they create the Alison voice that is now used in Mavericks. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: If I’m not mistaken the voices for apple are made by Nuance. I recognize all of them from various apps and all of that that I’ve used over the year. the only exception is Alex. They put the voice actuer in a studio and had them read a lot of phrase and numbers and stuff. Iv’e done something similar and it’s not fun, but it is worth it in the end. Take care. On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, sorry, but curiosity got the best of me. As my subject says, how does apple create it's voiceover voices? I got to thinking about all the screen reader voices out there, particularly Apple's voiceover, but also JAWS, SAPI screen reader voices, NVDA, Window Eyes, etc. With regards to voiceover, I was looking at the large variety of voices that they've put out, both in different languages and just with in one language, take U.S. English, or French for example. How does a company like Apple build these voices? Does it totally rely on voice over actors that they record? Or is there some program out there that serves as the basis for their voices that they create? Further, I got to thinking, if a person wanted to build their own voiceover compatible voice, say in English or another language, is that possible? And if it is possible, how would one go about it? Sorry for my wondering curiosity, but I really am wondering now and I would love to learn more about this. Thanks Laurel --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public
Re: Voiceover on Apple TV
Was going to get this now but this will be sizzled as in the near future I may be getting an iPad with accessories as a gift. On 06/12/2013 22:10, Martin G. McCormick wrote: We are thinking about possibly getting Apple TV. I am familiar with Voiceover on the Mac and iPad. Is the Voiceover on Apple TV similar and useful? Thank you. Martin McCormick --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Voiceover on Apple TV
We are thinking about possibly getting Apple TV. I am familiar with Voiceover on the Mac and iPad. Is the Voiceover on Apple TV similar and useful? Thank you. Martin McCormick --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover on Apple TV
I have an Apple TV and I find Voiceover useful though I've had to get used to the U.S. voice as that's the only choice available as far as I know. I personally wouldn't recommend the Apple TV now however if you want freedom of choice for your media and so on, there are other alternatives which are just as accessible. On 7 Dec 2013, at 9:10 am, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: We are thinking about possibly getting Apple TV. I am familiar with Voiceover on the Mac and iPad. Is the Voiceover on Apple TV similar and useful? Thank you. Martin McCormick --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Handy Features Of Voiceover And iPhone Was Copying Links From Mail To Clipboard
Another handy feature I found once was the item chooser but can't remember how the hell that's activated so perhaps someone could remind me. On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:34 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com wrote: i know. I use it so much its so handy to be able to do. On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:29, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862 On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:19 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com wrote: this is really easy you the 3 finger tap 4 times quickly after vo reads the link On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:05, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862 Subject line says it all I guess. I'm wanting to copy a link in an eMail I've received to the clipboard from Mail does anyone have any ideas? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Yep very easy and I admit to not thinking of yusing the copy to pasteboard feature so thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ ** Dane Trethowan
Re: Handy Features Of Voiceover And iPhone Was Copying Links From Mail To Clipboard
triple tap with two finger’s I think it is On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:36, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Another handy feature I found once was the item chooser but can't remember how the hell that's activated so perhaps someone could remind me. On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:34 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com wrote: i know. I use it so much its so handy to be able to do. On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:29, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862 On 19 Nov 2013, at 5:19 am, matthew stubbs manga.m...@btinternet.com wrote: this is really easy you the 3 finger tap 4 times quickly after vo reads the link On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:05, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862 Subject line says it all I guess. I'm wanting to copy a link in an eMail I've received to the clipboard from Mail does anyone have any ideas? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Yep very easy and I admit to not thinking of yusing the copy to pasteboard feature so thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by
Re: Voiceover reading quotation marks at the end of paragraphs where it doesn't exist
I would love to use Alex, but it is not as responsive as Nuance voices :-( On 11/10/2013 1:06 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Ah Oh wow that long? I thought the voices were only in ML, but I can’t remember at the moment. Yeah so someone has to bring this up with nuance. I guess. Take care. On Nov 9, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote: I find that this is an issue if you use any of the nuance voices. Using Alex, this issue is not present at all. This has been an issue with the nuance voices ever since they put them in in Lion. On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: right now I would just deal with it. I don’t think apple will ever fix this and I’m not sure if it is apple, the synth they use, or what. If it is the synth they use, it is newance’s fault and they have to try and fix it. Take care. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sarah, Thanks. Is there a way to work around this, or should I just bear through with it? It is particularly annoying when I’m reading books in iBooks. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: sounds like dickens. Anyway. I have that issue to when I’m putting in web page addresses in to edit fields. I might hear http://google.com quotation mark. or something to that effect or in the field where the partial web address I’ll hear http quotation mark even though there is not one there. I’ve been having this issue since last year but never brought it up as I thought apple would fix it. On Nov 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have been getting this annoying issue that I don’t know how to solve. When reading by paragraph using Voiceover, I hear “quotation mark” or “double quote” based on what synthesizer I have enabled. For example, here is a text I have copied using vo+shift+c: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. However, when I read it (with punctuation level set to most)m I hear this instead: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. Quotation mark To reproduce this, go to https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16637310-nevermore---novel-of-love-loss-edgar-allan-poe?ac=1. Remember to set your punctuation level to “most”. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way
Voiceover reading quotation marks at the end of paragraphs where it doesn't exist
Hi all, I have been getting this annoying issue that I don’t know how to solve. When reading by paragraph using Voiceover, I hear “quotation mark” or “double quote” based on what synthesizer I have enabled. For example, here is a text I have copied using vo+shift+c: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. However, when I read it (with punctuation level set to most)m I hear this instead: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. Quotation mark To reproduce this, go to https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16637310-nevermore---novel-of-love-loss-edgar-allan-poe?ac=1. Remember to set your punctuation level to “most”. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover reading quotation marks at the end of paragraphs where it doesn't exist
sounds like dickens. Anyway. I have that issue to when I’m putting in web page addresses in to edit fields. I might hear http://google.com quotation mark. or something to that effect or in the field where the partial web address I’ll hear http quotation mark even though there is not one there. I’ve been having this issue since last year but never brought it up as I thought apple would fix it. On Nov 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have been getting this annoying issue that I don’t know how to solve. When reading by paragraph using Voiceover, I hear “quotation mark” or “double quote” based on what synthesizer I have enabled. For example, here is a text I have copied using vo+shift+c: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. However, when I read it (with punctuation level set to most)m I hear this instead: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. Quotation mark To reproduce this, go to https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16637310-nevermore---novel-of-love-loss-edgar-allan-poe?ac=1. Remember to set your punctuation level to “most”. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover reading quotation marks at the end of paragraphs where it doesn't exist
Hi Sarah, Thanks. Is there a way to work around this, or should I just bear through with it? It is particularly annoying when I’m reading books in iBooks. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: sounds like dickens. Anyway. I have that issue to when I’m putting in web page addresses in to edit fields. I might hear http://google.com quotation mark. or something to that effect or in the field where the partial web address I’ll hear http quotation mark even though there is not one there. I’ve been having this issue since last year but never brought it up as I thought apple would fix it. On Nov 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have been getting this annoying issue that I don’t know how to solve. When reading by paragraph using Voiceover, I hear “quotation mark” or “double quote” based on what synthesizer I have enabled. For example, here is a text I have copied using vo+shift+c: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. However, when I read it (with punctuation level set to most)m I hear this instead: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. Quotation mark To reproduce this, go to https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16637310-nevermore---novel-of-love-loss-edgar-allan-poe?ac=1. Remember to set your punctuation level to “most”. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover reading quotation marks at the end of paragraphs where it doesn't exist
right now I would just deal with it. I don’t think apple will ever fix this and I’m not sure if it is apple, the synth they use, or what. If it is the synth they use, it is newance’s fault and they have to try and fix it. Take care. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sarah, Thanks. Is there a way to work around this, or should I just bear through with it? It is particularly annoying when I’m reading books in iBooks. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: sounds like dickens. Anyway. I have that issue to when I’m putting in web page addresses in to edit fields. I might hear http://google.com quotation mark. or something to that effect or in the field where the partial web address I’ll hear http quotation mark even though there is not one there. I’ve been having this issue since last year but never brought it up as I thought apple would fix it. On Nov 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have been getting this annoying issue that I don’t know how to solve. When reading by paragraph using Voiceover, I hear “quotation mark” or “double quote” based on what synthesizer I have enabled. For example, here is a text I have copied using vo+shift+c: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. However, when I read it (with punctuation level set to most)m I hear this instead: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. Quotation mark To reproduce this, go to https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16637310-nevermore---novel-of-love-loss-edgar-allan-poe?ac=1. Remember to set your punctuation level to “most”. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web
Re: Voiceover reading quotation marks at the end of paragraphs where it doesn't exist
I find that this is an issue if you use any of the nuance voices. Using Alex, this issue is not present at all. This has been an issue with the nuance voices ever since they put them in in Lion. On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: right now I would just deal with it. I don’t think apple will ever fix this and I’m not sure if it is apple, the synth they use, or what. If it is the synth they use, it is newance’s fault and they have to try and fix it. Take care. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sarah, Thanks. Is there a way to work around this, or should I just bear through with it? It is particularly annoying when I’m reading books in iBooks. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: sounds like dickens. Anyway. I have that issue to when I’m putting in web page addresses in to edit fields. I might hear http://google.com quotation mark. or something to that effect or in the field where the partial web address I’ll hear http quotation mark even though there is not one there. I’ve been having this issue since last year but never brought it up as I thought apple would fix it. On Nov 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have been getting this annoying issue that I don’t know how to solve. When reading by paragraph using Voiceover, I hear “quotation mark” or “double quote” based on what synthesizer I have enabled. For example, here is a text I have copied using vo+shift+c: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. However, when I read it (with punctuation level set to most)m I hear this instead: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. Quotation mark To reproduce this, go to https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16637310-nevermore---novel-of-love-loss-edgar-allan-poe?ac=1. Remember to set your punctuation level to “most”. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft
Re: Voiceover reading quotation marks at the end of paragraphs where it doesn't exist
Ah Oh wow that long? I thought the voices were only in ML, but I can’t remember at the moment. Yeah so someone has to bring this up with nuance. I guess. Take care. On Nov 9, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote: I find that this is an issue if you use any of the nuance voices. Using Alex, this issue is not present at all. This has been an issue with the nuance voices ever since they put them in in Lion. On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: right now I would just deal with it. I don’t think apple will ever fix this and I’m not sure if it is apple, the synth they use, or what. If it is the synth they use, it is newance’s fault and they have to try and fix it. Take care. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sarah, Thanks. Is there a way to work around this, or should I just bear through with it? It is particularly annoying when I’m reading books in iBooks. On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: sounds like dickens. Anyway. I have that issue to when I’m putting in web page addresses in to edit fields. I might hear http://google.com quotation mark. or something to that effect or in the field where the partial web address I’ll hear http quotation mark even though there is not one there. I’ve been having this issue since last year but never brought it up as I thought apple would fix it. On Nov 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have been getting this annoying issue that I don’t know how to solve. When reading by paragraph using Voiceover, I hear “quotation mark” or “double quote” based on what synthesizer I have enabled. For example, here is a text I have copied using vo+shift+c: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. However, when I read it (with punctuation level set to most)m I hear this instead: Once, upon a shoreline dreary, there was a tree. This is her story. Quotation mark To reproduce this, go to https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16637310-nevermore---novel-of-love-loss-edgar-allan-poe?ac=1. Remember to set your punctuation level to “most”. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your
Accessing the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide [was Re: Re postRe: problem selecting non sequential files in ]
Hello George and Others, Everyone should be able to access the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for their installed operating system and language from the VoiceOver Help menu (VO-h). Summary lists of the commands are always given in Appendix A in this guide. The main reason for posting the web link is so that people who don't have a Mac, or who don't yet have Mavericks installed, can view the guide. To view versions of the guide in other languages, you need to change English in the URL address to the appropriate two-letter language code (e.g., fr for French, es for Spanish, de for German, it for Italian, etc.). So, for example, the French version of the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for OS X Mavericks (10.9) is at: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.9/fr.lproj/ instead of the English version's address: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.9/English.lproj/ I just went to the Getting Started Guide web page in Safari and found the link for Appendix A, since I don't have Mavericks installed yet on my computer. But if I had upgraded to Mavericks, I would have pressed VO-h and then navigated to the Getting Started Guide in the VoiceOver help menu to read this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:48 PM, George Cham wrote: Thanks . I've been looking for these links all day . George, Sent from my iPad On 5 Nov 2013, at 6:35 pm, Esther wrote: Hello George, Michael, and Others, In Mavericks, you turn on multiple text selection after interacting with the list or table with VO-Command-Return (or as Zack says, vo-cmd-enter). You select individual items with VO-Return. A good place to check commands is the Appendix A list of Commands and Gestures in the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for each OS. • VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for OS X Mavericks (10.9): http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.9/English.lproj/ The exact link to Appendix A in the Getting Started Guide for Mavericks is: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.9/English.lproj/_1203.html Navigate to Interaction Commands, which is the second heading level 2, to read the commands. You can also use item chooser menu to look for multiple selection. People who, like me, are not yet running Mavericks, can also read through the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide on the web. Here's an excerpt from the summary list of actions and the command keys to use for these pasted in from this Appendix. This also covers the answer to Michael's question on how to stop multiple selection: Action: Start multiple selection in a list or table, and select each item Command: VO-Command-Return To stop multiple selection, cut or copy the selected items, press Escape, or stop interacting with the list or table in which the items are located. Action: Select a menu or list item Command: VO-Return HTH. Cheers, Esther --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Customizing reading of punctuation in Voiceover
Hi David, Thanks a lot. However, my question was more about customizing what is being read at a punctuation level, rather than switching punctuation levels. I'm perfectly fine with the Most punctuation level, but would like to add some symbols (E.G. left quote, right quote, endash and emdash). Thanks. On 11/4/2013 8:10 PM, David Griffith wrote: VO V for verbosity and vo cursor down until you hear Punctuation level. You can select all, some most or none. I routinely use all for when I am writing and some or none when I am reading. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 04 November 2013 16:16 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Customizing reading of punctuation in Voiceover Hi all, Is there a way to customize how Voiceover reads punctuation? For example, I am at the Most level, but would like Voiceover to read symbols such as , , - and -. I know one way to do this is to switch to the All punctuation level, but that would mean symbols such as period, comma, and many others I don't really care about also get read. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
There are a variety of methods which work with different web pages. My own preferences are as follows. 1. Press command shift R to see if the page can be interpreted by Reader. If so you will just get the important part of the text read out. The BBC web pages are good for this. 2. Failing that I use quick nav and personally use single letter navigation which you can set in Voiceover preferences. This provides functionality similar to that of a windows screen reader. Then what you do is dependent on the page you are visiting. Pressing H will jump you to each heading on that page. This is often a quick way of getting to where you need. You can experiment with T for tables, G for Graphic b for button etc. For example on eBay and PayPal sites I jump to where I need to get to normally by pressing b for button. On Sainsbury pressing T for table gets me to where I need to go. If I do not know the site I most often use item chooser. Supposed I am looking for a story about Walthamstow. I may come to a page with loads of advert links and stuff I do not want to review . I bring up item chooser and start to type Walthamstow. Before I have typed a few letters everything on the page I do not want to read has been stripped out of item chooser and only the elements with Walthamstow are left. I review this and can generally hear where I need to go. Pressing enter here will jump you to that part of the web page. The advantage of this over find is that you can read the term you are looking for in context within the item chooser so you can more easily identify where you need to go. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 04 November 2013 05:59 To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover Hi all, Allow me to explain more what my question is really about. I am navigating a webpage using VO+right arrow and left arrow. I get to a long list, or a long table, that does not contain the content of the webpage. Since I'd like to read the content and don't really care about the stuff presented in this table (or list), I'd like to jump over it. Now, how can I do this? Thanks. On 11/3/2013 10:52 PM, David Griffith wrote: I do not know about jumping in tables but I think that if you hit the end key when in the links list you will jump to the end. I am not on my Mac at the moment but this certainly works in item chooser so logically should work there as well. I forget what the MacBook equivalent of end key is. Something like function shift down arrow I think but I use an extended keyboard on an iMac. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 03 November 2013 18:18 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover Hi all, I'd like to be able to jump to the end of a table or a list of links while navigating the web. Is such a thing possible using Voiceover? I have looked at the keys that currently exist for navigating in the web, but haven't found anything relevant. To that end, I thought to ask whether any tricks exist to achieve such a functionality. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus
Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
This topic leads to a question. Is there a list somewhere of what the FN key does when held down in combination with other keys? Someone told me that FN VO right/left arrow would jump to the beginning/end of a table or list, but in Yorufukurou, where I would really like to use this, the command doesn’t work. Naturally I would accept this being operator error, since I am new at this, but if the FN key works in combination with other keys on a Macbook, I’d love to study a list. Thanks, Shannon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
Hi David, Great point about item chooser. I'll definitely try it out. Thanks. On 11/4/2013 12:57 PM, David Griffith wrote: There are a variety of methods which work with different web pages. My own preferences are as follows. 1. Press command shift R to see if the page can be interpreted by Reader. If so you will just get the important part of the text read out. The BBC web pages are good for this. 2. Failing that I use quick nav and personally use single letter navigation which you can set in Voiceover preferences. This provides functionality similar to that of a windows screen reader. Then what you do is dependent on the page you are visiting. Pressing H will jump you to each heading on that page. This is often a quick way of getting to where you need. You can experiment with T for tables, G for Graphic b for button etc. For example on eBay and PayPal sites I jump to where I need to get to normally by pressing b for button. On Sainsbury pressing T for table gets me to where I need to go. If I do not know the site I most often use item chooser. Supposed I am looking for a story about Walthamstow. I may come to a page with loads of advert links and stuff I do not want to review . I bring up item chooser and start to type Walthamstow. Before I have typed a few letters everything on the page I do not want to read has been stripped out of item chooser and only the elements with Walthamstow are left. I review this and can generally hear where I need to go. Pressing enter here will jump you to that part of the web page. The advantage of this over find is that you can read the term you are looking for in context within the item chooser so you can more easily identify where you need to go. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 04 November 2013 05:59 To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover Hi all, Allow me to explain more what my question is really about. I am navigating a webpage using VO+right arrow and left arrow. I get to a long list, or a long table, that does not contain the content of the webpage. Since I'd like to read the content and don't really care about the stuff presented in this table (or list), I'd like to jump over it. Now, how can I do this? Thanks. On 11/3/2013 10:52 PM, David Griffith wrote: I do not know about jumping in tables but I think that if you hit the end key when in the links list you will jump to the end. I am not on my Mac at the moment but this certainly works in item chooser so logically should work there as well. I forget what the MacBook equivalent of end key is. Something like function shift down arrow I think but I use an extended keyboard on an iMac. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 03 November 2013 18:18 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover Hi all, I'd like to be able to jump to the end of a table or a list of links while navigating the web. Is such a thing possible using Voiceover? I have looked at the keys that currently exist for navigating in the web, but haven't found anything relevant. To that end, I thought to ask whether any tricks exist to achieve such a functionality. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very
Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
Hi Shannon, The VO+home/end (which is FN+home/end) keys are for navigating to the very first and last element at the current level. That means that to be able to move to the beginning and end of anything, you would first have to interact with it. HTH On 11/4/2013 3:56 PM, Shannon Reece wrote: This topic leads to a question. Is there a list somewhere of what the FN key does when held down in combination with other keys? Someone told me that FN VO right/left arrow would jump to the beginning/end of a table or list, but in Yorufukurou, where I would really like to use this, the command doesn’t work. Naturally I would accept this being operator error, since I am new at this, but if the FN key works in combination with other keys on a Macbook, I’d love to study a list. Thanks, Shannon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
The way to jump to the top or bottom when using a Macbook Air, is to interact, then hold down the fn and VO keys, and press shift and left arrow for top and right arrow for bottom - Andy On 4 Nov 2013, at 12:26, Shannon Reece shannon.thebookw...@gmail.com wrote: This topic leads to a question. Is there a list somewhere of what the FN key does when held down in combination with other keys? Someone told me that FN VO right/left arrow would jump to the beginning/end of a table or list, but in Yorufukurou, where I would really like to use this, the command doesn’t work. Naturally I would accept this being operator error, since I am new at this, but if the FN key works in combination with other keys on a Macbook, I’d love to study a list. Thanks, Shannon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Customizing reading of punctuation in Voiceover
Hi all, Is there a way to customize how Voiceover reads punctuation? For example, I am at the Most level, but would like Voiceover to read symbols such as “, ”, – and —. I know one way to do this is to switch to the All punctuation level, but that would mean symbols such as period, comma, and many others I don't really care about also get read. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
Hi Andy? The problem is that when I'm navigating the web, I can't really interact with a list; its items are flattened and i don't need to interact with anything to read its contents (this also happens with tables). I have been able to jump over a table by pressing VO+= so that I'd have to interact with a table, but I haven't been able to find the same thing when it comes time to work with lists. Thanks. On 11/4/2013 7:42 PM, Andy Collins wrote: The way to jump to the top or bottom when using a Macbook Air, is to interact, then hold down the fn and VO keys, and press shift and left arrow for top and right arrow for bottom - Andy On 4 Nov 2013, at 12:26, Shannon Reece shannon.thebookw...@gmail.com wrote: This topic leads to a question. Is there a list somewhere of what the FN key does when held down in combination with other keys? Someone told me that FN VO right/left arrow would jump to the beginning/end of a table or list, but in Yorufukurou, where I would really like to use this, the command doesn’t work. Naturally I would accept this being operator error, since I am new at this, but if the FN key works in combination with other keys on a Macbook, I’d love to study a list. Thanks, Shannon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
Sorry, but I was actually replying to the question somebody else raised about using the FN key to get to the top and bottom of a page - Andy On 4 Nov 2013, at 16:19, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andy? The problem is that when I'm navigating the web, I can't really interact with a list; its items are flattened and i don't need to interact with anything to read its contents (this also happens with tables). I have been able to jump over a table by pressing VO+= so that I'd have to interact with a table, but I haven't been able to find the same thing when it comes time to work with lists. Thanks. On 11/4/2013 7:42 PM, Andy Collins wrote: The way to jump to the top or bottom when using a Macbook Air, is to interact, then hold down the fn and VO keys, and press shift and left arrow for top and right arrow for bottom - Andy On 4 Nov 2013, at 12:26, Shannon Reece shannon.thebookw...@gmail.com wrote: This topic leads to a question. Is there a list somewhere of what the FN key does when held down in combination with other keys? Someone told me that FN VO right/left arrow would jump to the beginning/end of a table or list, but in Yorufukurou, where I would really like to use this, the command doesn’t work. Naturally I would accept this being operator error, since I am new at this, but if the FN key works in combination with other keys on a Macbook, I’d love to study a list. Thanks, Shannon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac
RE: Customizing reading of punctuation in Voiceover
VO V for verbosity and vo cursor down until you hear Punctuation level. You can select all, some most or none. I routinely use all for when I am writing and some or none when I am reading. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 04 November 2013 16:16 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Customizing reading of punctuation in Voiceover Hi all, Is there a way to customize how Voiceover reads punctuation? For example, I am at the Most level, but would like Voiceover to read symbols such as , , - and -. I know one way to do this is to switch to the All punctuation level, but that would mean symbols such as period, comma, and many others I don't really care about also get read. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
Hi all, I’d like to be able to jump to the end of a table or a list of links while navigating the web. Is such a thing possible using Voiceover? I have looked at the keys that currently exist for navigating in the web, but haven’t found anything relevant. To that end, I thought to ask whether any tricks exist to achieve such a functionality. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
Hi, You can use vo-end or vo-home to jump to the beginning or end of a table. As for lists, perhaps you might look into groups mode? I believe they are treated as separate entities in that case, and you can use the same keystroke to jumpy o their ends. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I’d like to be able to jump to the end of a table or a list of links while navigating the web. Is such a thing possible using Voiceover? I have looked at the keys that currently exist for navigating in the web, but haven’t found anything relevant. To that end, I thought to ask whether any tricks exist to achieve such a functionality. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
I do not know about jumping in tables but I think that if you hit the end key when in the links list you will jump to the end. I am not on my Mac at the moment but this certainly works in item chooser so logically should work there as well. I forget what the MacBook equivalent of end key is. Something like function shift down arrow I think but I use an extended keyboard on an iMac. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 03 November 2013 18:18 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover Hi all, I'd like to be able to jump to the end of a table or a list of links while navigating the web. Is such a thing possible using Voiceover? I have looked at the keys that currently exist for navigating in the web, but haven't found anything relevant. To that end, I thought to ask whether any tricks exist to achieve such a functionality. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
OSX Mavericks and Voiceover.
Hi Folks: Any tips for getting Voiceover working better with OSX Mavericks. I'm having a lot of busy issues. Thanks all over the place gang. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OSX Mavericks and Voiceover.
Jim Restart your machine possibly, or wait for the Spotlight index to be rebuilt, are my top two suggestions. Do any specific apps have busy problems? Speaking for myself they’re quite rare on my Macbook pro. A permissions repair might also be worth a try. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com wrote: Hi Folks: Any tips for getting Voiceover working better with OSX Mavericks. I'm having a lot of busy issues. Thanks all over the place gang. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OSX Mavericks and Voiceover.
Hi Zack: I've had Mavericks installed for quite some time now. I've also tried your suggestions but still, no joy. Thanks much for your comments. On 11/3/2013 6:23 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Jim Restart your machine possibly, or wait for the Spotlight index to be rebuilt, are my top two suggestions. Do any specific apps have busy problems? Speaking for myself they’re quite rare on my Macbook pro. A permissions repair might also be worth a try. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com wrote: Hi Folks: Any tips for getting Voiceover working better with OSX Mavericks. I'm having a lot of busy issues. Thanks all over the place gang. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Hi Zack: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover
Hi all, Allow me to explain more what my question is really about. I am navigating a webpage using VO+right arrow and left arrow. I get to a long list, or a long table, that does not contain the content of the webpage. Since I'd like to read the content and don't really care about the stuff presented in this table (or list), I'd like to jump over it. Now, how can I do this? Thanks. On 11/3/2013 10:52 PM, David Griffith wrote: I do not know about jumping in tables but I think that if you hit the end key when in the links list you will jump to the end. I am not on my Mac at the moment but this certainly works in item chooser so logically should work there as well. I forget what the MacBook equivalent of end key is. Something like function shift down arrow I think but I use an extended keyboard on an iMac. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 03 November 2013 18:18 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Jumping to the end of a table/list with Voiceover Hi all, I'd like to be able to jump to the end of a table or a list of links while navigating the web. Is such a thing possible using Voiceover? I have looked at the keys that currently exist for navigating in the web, but haven't found anything relevant. To that end, I thought to ask whether any tricks exist to achieve such a functionality. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.
This is interesting. I used to use squirrel mail, and never had any issues with it. Have you looked at the source, to see what kind of button this is? Sometimes, javascript has a nasty habbit of causing problems with vo. I'll see if I can dig up that particular version of sm and take a look at it after installing it on a server here. If you haven't figured it out by then, perhaps my tinkering will provide a solution. Could be a code change is in order, but we'll see. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Voiceover and email messages
When I am navigating through messages with voiceover in mavericks , voiceover speaks the date /time before the subject. How do I turn this off? George Cham george.c...@outlook.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover and email messages
Hi George, The order of info in the New email view is fixed, and you can’t turn it off I”m afraid. If you want more control over such things, classic view is your friend. Best, Zack. On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:39 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: When I am navigating through messages with voiceover in mavericks , voiceover speaks the date /time before the subject. How do I turn this off? George Cham george.c...@outlook.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover Sluggishness
Hi Sarah, Thanks for the reply. Is it Samantha compact or just Samantha? Thanks. On 10/25/2013 8:52 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I use samantha and even in my basic tutorials when I use allis for demo stuff there is a slight delay. I have since switched to samantha for responsive in the tutorials and in m my daily usage of the mac. lol! Tc. On Oct 25, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. He had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right now I’m finding that it is, in fact, not. Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in. Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice do you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Uh Oh! Me thinks me found a Voiceover bug.
OK, this is so! getting reported on bug reporter. Has anyone noticed that in Safari, more specifically, in Mavericks, if you have multiple windows opened, now, let me be very very clear here, I literally mean separate windows, not tabs, but anyway, if you have more than one window opened, then you hit command+W, it does what it should… it closes the currently opened window, however, Voiceover says: “Close all windows.” Then, if you do the same thing with multiple windows opened, then hit command+shift+W, it again does what it should. It closes all opened windows, except that Voiceover says: “Close Window.” In other words, Voiceover’s reporting these two commands completely backwards. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Uh Oh! Me thinks me found a Voiceover bug.
Hi Chris, The announcement you mentioned also happens when you have multiple tabs open. Try opening a new tab and pressing command+w. On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, this is so! getting reported on bug reporter. Has anyone noticed that in Safari, more specifically, in Mavericks, if you have multiple windows opened, now, let me be very very clear here, I literally mean separate windows, not tabs, but anyway, if you have more than one window opened, then you hit command+W, it does what it should… it closes the currently opened window, however, Voiceover says: “Close all windows.” Then, if you do the same thing with multiple windows opened, then hit command+shift+W, it again does what it should. It closes all opened windows, except that Voiceover says: “Close Window.” In other words, Voiceover’s reporting these two commands completely backwards. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Voiceover Sluggishness
Hi, I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. He had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right now I’m finding that it is, in fact, not. Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in. Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice do you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Uh Oh! Me thinks me found a Voiceover bug.
Ouch! You're right! OK, let me get this in to Bug Reporter, so they can look at it. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:54 AM Subject: Re: Uh Oh! Me thinks me found a Voiceover bug. Hi Chris, The announcement you mentioned also happens when you have multiple tabs open. Try opening a new tab and pressing command+w. On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, this is so! getting reported on bug reporter. Has anyone noticed that in Safari, more specifically, in Mavericks, if you have multiple windows opened, now, let me be very very clear here, I literally mean separate windows, not tabs, but anyway, if you have more than one window opened, then you hit command+W, it does what it should… it closes the currently opened window, however, Voiceover says: “Close all windows.” Then, if you do the same thing with multiple windows opened, then hit command+shift+W, it again does what it should. It closes all opened windows, except that Voiceover says: “Close Window.” In other words, Voiceover’s reporting these two commands completely backwards. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover Sluggishness
Your observations are quite interesting. I have observed a slight delay between the time a key is pressed and the time Voiceover responds but its nowhere near 0.5 seconds, about 0.25 seconds would be far more accurate in my case. I'm using an iMac Quad Core I5 machine but I'm not using any of the built-in voices that come with Voiceover, I'm using Peter Infovox. I have a Mac Mini 2 Dio Core 1.66GHZ machine in the lounge using Kare - high quality voice -, on that machine Voiceover is behaving as expected and I haven't seen any sluggishness or delays whatever and that does surprise me when I think it over now, if any such problems were to occur or make themselves heard then surely the Mac Mini machine I have would be it given its an older technology, the display doesn't quite match the machine more than likely and so on. Anyway, point being there's a little delay but its not enough to cause any major issues here. On 25 Oct 2013, at 10:05 pm, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. He had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right now I’m finding that it is, in fact, not. Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in. Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice do you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Voiceover Sluggishness
Hi Dane, I haven’t really been able to measure the delay accurately. However, the 0.25 that you mention seems to be about right. Maybe it’s that I’m not used to words being missed as I arrow around quickly through a text. I have been able to fix the issues a bit by switching to Vocalizer voices. At least, I’m not missing any text while I’m moving quickly around. What I’m not understanding is why there is a delay after the voice tones and before VO speaks; is this intentional? Is it possible to turn it off? Thanks.On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Your observations are quite interesting. I have observed a slight delay between the time a key is pressed and the time Voiceover responds but its nowhere near 0.5 seconds, about 0.25 seconds would be far more accurate in my case. I'm using an iMac Quad Core I5 machine but I'm not using any of the built-in voices that come with Voiceover, I'm using Peter Infovox. I have a Mac Mini 2 Dio Core 1.66GHZ machine in the lounge using Kare - high quality voice -, on that machine Voiceover is behaving as expected and I haven't seen any sluggishness or delays whatever and that does surprise me when I think it over now, if any such problems were to occur or make themselves heard then surely the Mac Mini machine I have would be it given its an older technology, the display doesn't quite match the machine more than likely and so on. Anyway, point being there's a little delay but its not enough to cause any major issues here. On 25 Oct 2013, at 10:05 pm, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. He had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right now I’m finding that it is, in fact, not. Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in. Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice do you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http
Re: Voiceover Sluggishness
I use samantha and even in my basic tutorials when I use allis for demo stuff there is a slight delay. I have since switched to samantha for responsive in the tutorials and in m my daily usage of the mac. lol! Tc. On Oct 25, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had spoken to a friend regarding the sluggishness I’m experiencing with my Mac Mini, even though its processor is core I7 and it has 4 GB of DDR3 ram. He had guessed that it may be related to the lack of displays. However, right now I’m finding that it is, in fact, not. Yesterday when listening to the mac basics podcasts on AppleVis, I thought I could hear the same delay in that user’s VO as well; there is about a 0.5 seconds delay before VO responds to a key press. I’ve experimented with this and I’m guessing the issue is not VO’s fault but Alex’s; VO plays the voice tones instantly but it takes a while for the speech to come in. Do any of you have this issue? If so and if my analysis is right, what voice do you use? Since I’m used to eSpeak, the human factor in synthesizers is not really important for me; I prefer responsiveness to quality every day. Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.
Did you try to literally interact with the button title and then click with the mouse witt Vo+Shift+space or with the trackpad, or, may be, Bringing a context menu and clicking something from there? I don't know the site, but just some other ideas. Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 22/10/2013, a las 06:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com escribió: Let me know what you find out, as I've gotten no other responses yet prior to your's. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site. Hmm I now a user on my server who uses squirrel mail. I can have them try and send me a test email if they are awake enough to do this evening (they are in class) I know it used to work, but maybe Im using a different version of the mail thingy. I don't know. If someone beats me to the answer that would be nice as what you did was correct in your trouble shooting procedures. Good luck. On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Hello. My company has a few customers who are blind using ?voiceover that are running into some problems. I thought that I would throw this question out to you guys and see if anyone knows a way to get around this issue. Basically, we use WHM/CPanel as our server administration. We also have, for web based mail a copy of Squirrel Mail installed on the server. The issue is that when a client logs into their webmail account via Squirrel Mail, they then are presented with two frames: a left frame, and a right frame. Once they interact with the right frame, they can get to the link to compose a new message. This works fine, and they are able to get the e-mail composed, and elect to receive a read or a deliver receipt, or both. If they need to attach any files, they also can do this with no problem. The issue however is when they try sending off the e-mail to its recipient. As soon as they press VO+Space on the send button, absolutely nothing at all seems to be happening, and we have confirmed that the individual who should be receiving the e-mail does not get it in their inbox. When I look at the mail server logs on our server, I do not see any trace that the e-mail has gone through the smtp server, nor through any sort of path to reach the recipient. We also tried routing the mouse with command+VO+F5, then clicking with VO+shift+Space, and even have tried routing the mouse, then literally clicking the track pad, and even have tried pressing return, as well as pressing the space bar on this button. Nothing at all is working. We tried to stop interacting with the right frame, then reinteract just in case the page didn't refresh as far as Voiceover was concerned, but this doesn't seem to have any effect either. Further to complicate things, we have tried both in Safari, as well as in Google Chrome, I tried myself using Webkit, and even using Lightning Web Browser. On Windows, I've tried with Firefox, as well as with Internet Exploder... oh wait... did I really just say that? LOL! At any rate, nothing works. I'm completely out of options. We are running Squirrel Mail 1.4.22 on Cent-OS 6 which is running CPanel/WHM Web Host Manager 11.38.2.7. If anyone has any idea, please let me know so that I may promptly answer this support ticket on what else may can be done. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net
Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.
Yes, we have done this as well. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site. Did you try to literally interact with the button title and then click with the mouse witt Vo+Shift+space or with the trackpad, or, may be, Bringing a context menu and clicking something from there? I don't know the site, but just some other ideas. Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 22/10/2013, a las 06:38, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com escribió: Let me know what you find out, as I've gotten no other responses yet prior to your's. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site. Hmm I now a user on my server who uses squirrel mail. I can have them try and send me a test email if they are awake enough to do this evening (they are in class) I know it used to work, but maybe Im using a different version of the mail thingy. I don't know. If someone beats me to the answer that would be nice as what you did was correct in your trouble shooting procedures. Good luck. On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Hello. My company has a few customers who are blind using ?voiceover that are running into some problems. I thought that I would throw this question out to you guys and see if anyone knows a way to get around this issue. Basically, we use WHM/CPanel as our server administration. We also have, for web based mail a copy of Squirrel Mail installed on the server. The issue is that when a client logs into their webmail account via Squirrel Mail, they then are presented with two frames: a left frame, and a right frame. Once they interact with the right frame, they can get to the link to compose a new message. This works fine, and they are able to get the e-mail composed, and elect to receive a read or a deliver receipt, or both. If they need to attach any files, they also can do this with no problem. The issue however is when they try sending off the e-mail to its recipient. As soon as they press VO+Space on the send button, absolutely nothing at all seems to be happening, and we have confirmed that the individual who should be receiving the e-mail does not get it in their inbox. When I look at the mail server logs on our server, I do not see any trace that the e-mail has gone through the smtp server, nor through any sort of path to reach the recipient. We also tried routing the mouse with command+VO+F5, then clicking with VO+shift+Space, and even have tried routing the mouse, then literally clicking the track pad, and even have tried pressing return, as well as pressing the space bar on this button. Nothing at all is working. We tried to stop interacting with the right frame, then reinteract just in case the page didn't refresh as far as Voiceover was concerned, but this doesn't seem to have any effect either. Further to complicate things, we have tried both in Safari, as well as in Google Chrome, I tried myself using Webkit, and even using Lightning Web Browser. On Windows, I've tried with Firefox, as well as with Internet Exploder... oh wait... did I really just say that? LOL! At any rate, nothing works. I'm completely out of options. We are running Squirrel Mail 1.4.22 on Cent-OS 6 which is running CPanel/WHM Web Host Manager 11.38.2.7. If anyone has any idea, please let me know so that I may promptly answer this support ticket on what else may can be done. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However
Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.
Hello. My company has a few customers who are blind using ?voiceover that are running into some problems. I thought that I would throw this question out to you guys and see if anyone knows a way to get around this issue. Basically, we use WHM/CPanel as our server administration. We also have, for web based mail a copy of Squirrel Mail installed on the server. The issue is that when a client logs into their webmail account via Squirrel Mail, they then are presented with two frames: a left frame, and a right frame. Once they interact with the right frame, they can get to the link to compose a new message. This works fine, and they are able to get the e-mail composed, and elect to receive a read or a deliver receipt, or both. If they need to attach any files, they also can do this with no problem. The issue however is when they try sending off the e-mail to its recipient. As soon as they press VO+Space on the send button, absolutely nothing at all seems to be happening, and we have confirmed that the individual who should be receiving the e-mail does not get it in their inbox. When I look at the mail server logs on our server, I do not see any trace that the e-mail has gone through the smtp server, nor through any sort of path to reach the recipient. We also tried routing the mouse with command+VO+F5, then clicking with VO+shift+Space, and even have tried routing the mouse, then literally clicking the track pad, and even have tried pressing return, as well as pressing the space bar on this button. Nothing at all is working. We tried to stop interacting with the right frame, then reinteract just in case the page didn't refresh as far as Voiceover was concerned, but this doesn't seem to have any effect either. Further to complicate things, we have tried both in Safari, as well as in Google Chrome, I tried myself using Webkit, and even using Lightning Web Browser. On Windows, I've tried with Firefox, as well as with Internet Exploder... oh wait... did I really just say that? LOL! At any rate, nothing works. I'm completely out of options. We are running Squirrel Mail 1.4.22 on Cent-OS 6 which is running CPanel/WHM Web Host Manager 11.38.2.7. If anyone has any idea, please let me know so that I may promptly answer this support ticket on what else may can be done. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.
Hmm I now a user on my server who uses squirrel mail. I can have them try and send me a test email if they are awake enough to do this evening (they are in class) I know it used to work, but maybe Im using a different version of the mail thingy. I don't know. If someone beats me to the answer that would be nice as what you did was correct in your trouble shooting procedures. Good luck. On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Hello. My company has a few customers who are blind using ?voiceover that are running into some problems. I thought that I would throw this question out to you guys and see if anyone knows a way to get around this issue. Basically, we use WHM/CPanel as our server administration. We also have, for web based mail a copy of Squirrel Mail installed on the server. The issue is that when a client logs into their webmail account via Squirrel Mail, they then are presented with two frames: a left frame, and a right frame. Once they interact with the right frame, they can get to the link to compose a new message. This works fine, and they are able to get the e-mail composed, and elect to receive a read or a deliver receipt, or both. If they need to attach any files, they also can do this with no problem. The issue however is when they try sending off the e-mail to its recipient. As soon as they press VO+Space on the send button, absolutely nothing at all seems to be happening, and we have confirmed that the individual who should be receiving the e-mail does not get it in their inbox. When I look at the mail server logs on our server, I do not see any trace that the e-mail has gone through the smtp server, nor through any sort of path to reach the recipient. We also tried routing the mouse with command+VO+F5, then clicking with VO+shift+Space, and even have tried routing the mouse, then literally clicking the track pad, and even have tried pressing return, as well as pressing the space bar on this button. Nothing at all is working. We tried to stop interacting with the right frame, then reinteract just in case the page didn't refresh as far as Voiceover was concerned, but this doesn't seem to have any effect either. Further to complicate things, we have tried both in Safari, as well as in Google Chrome, I tried myself using Webkit, and even using Lightning Web Browser. On Windows, I've tried with Firefox, as well as with Internet Exploder... oh wait... did I really just say that? LOL! At any rate, nothing works. I'm completely out of options. We are running Squirrel Mail 1.4.22 on Cent-OS 6 which is running CPanel/WHM Web Host Manager 11.38.2.7. If anyone has any idea, please let me know so that I may promptly answer this support ticket on what else may can be done. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site.
Let me know what you find out, as I've gotten no other responses yet prior to your's. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Question about Voiceover and a particular web site. Hmm I now a user on my server who uses squirrel mail. I can have them try and send me a test email if they are awake enough to do this evening (they are in class) I know it used to work, but maybe Im using a different version of the mail thingy. I don't know. If someone beats me to the answer that would be nice as what you did was correct in your trouble shooting procedures. Good luck. On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Hello. My company has a few customers who are blind using ?voiceover that are running into some problems. I thought that I would throw this question out to you guys and see if anyone knows a way to get around this issue. Basically, we use WHM/CPanel as our server administration. We also have, for web based mail a copy of Squirrel Mail installed on the server. The issue is that when a client logs into their webmail account via Squirrel Mail, they then are presented with two frames: a left frame, and a right frame. Once they interact with the right frame, they can get to the link to compose a new message. This works fine, and they are able to get the e-mail composed, and elect to receive a read or a deliver receipt, or both. If they need to attach any files, they also can do this with no problem. The issue however is when they try sending off the e-mail to its recipient. As soon as they press VO+Space on the send button, absolutely nothing at all seems to be happening, and we have confirmed that the individual who should be receiving the e-mail does not get it in their inbox. When I look at the mail server logs on our server, I do not see any trace that the e-mail has gone through the smtp server, nor through any sort of path to reach the recipient. We also tried routing the mouse with command+VO+F5, then clicking with VO+shift+Space, and even have tried routing the mouse, then literally clicking the track pad, and even have tried pressing return, as well as pressing the space bar on this button. Nothing at all is working. We tried to stop interacting with the right frame, then reinteract just in case the page didn't refresh as far as Voiceover was concerned, but this doesn't seem to have any effect either. Further to complicate things, we have tried both in Safari, as well as in Google Chrome, I tried myself using Webkit, and even using Lightning Web Browser. On Windows, I've tried with Firefox, as well as with Internet Exploder... oh wait... did I really just say that? LOL! At any rate, nothing works. I'm completely out of options. We are running Squirrel Mail 1.4.22 on Cent-OS 6 which is running CPanel/WHM Web Host Manager 11.38.2.7. If anyone has any idea, please let me know so that I may promptly answer this support ticket on what else may can be done. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac
Re: Using VoiceOver with Blackboard
Stupid question no doubt but what's Blackboard? On 18/10/2013, at 1:44 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi folks, If anyone is successfully using Blackboard with VoiceOver, could you please contact me off list? I am particularly interested in anyone who has created content using Blackboard. Please email, j...@macfortheblind.com Thank You Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Using VoiceOver with Blackboard
Blackboard is a platform where colleges or schools have there students upload there work -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 8:36 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Using VoiceOver with Blackboard Stupid question no doubt but what's Blackboard? On 18/10/2013, at 1:44 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi folks, If anyone is successfully using Blackboard with VoiceOver, could you please contact me off list? I am particularly interested in anyone who has created content using Blackboard. Please email, j...@macfortheblind.com Thank You Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Using VoiceOver with Blackboard
Hi folks, If anyone is successfully using Blackboard with VoiceOver, could you please contact me off list? I am particularly interested in anyone who has created content using Blackboard. Please email, j...@macfortheblind.com Thank You Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
VoiceOver does not work when I dubbel tap on iPad
Something has gone wrong, when I dubbel tap on the screen to stop and play music, audio books, nothing happens. What can I do to fix this? typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@mac-access.net George Cham, george.c...@mac-access.net Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: VoiceOver does not work when I dubbel tap on iPad
Ok , fixed it . Restarted ipad . George Cham, george.c...@mac-access.net Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2013, at 7:57 pm, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: Something has gone wrong, when I dubbel tap on the screen to stop and play music, audio books, nothing happens. What can I do to fix this? typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@mac-access.net George Cham, george.c...@mac-access.net Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: VoiceOver does not work when I dubbel tap on iPad
George, First off, it's not a double tap you need to be doing. It's a two finger double tap. chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net To: mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:57 AM Subject: VoiceOver does not work when I dubbel tap on iPad Something has gone wrong, when I dubbel tap on the screen to stop and play music, audio books, nothing happens. What can I do to fix this? typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@mac-access.net George Cham, george.c...@mac-access.net Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: VoiceOver does not work when I dubbel tap on iPad
Oh, ok, that's cool. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:03 AM Subject: Re: VoiceOver does not work when I dubbel tap on iPad Ok , fixed it . Restarted ipad . George Cham, george.c...@mac-access.net Sent from my iPad On 13 Oct 2013, at 7:57 pm, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: Something has gone wrong, when I dubbel tap on the screen to stop and play music, audio books, nothing happens. What can I do to fix this? typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@mac-access.net George Cham, george.c...@mac-access.net Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: VoiceOver does not work when I dubbel tap on iPad
George, As I said, I got two copies of your msg though not sure why. Two finger double tap and see if that works. It's not a single finger double tap as your message makes it sound like you're doing. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net To: mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:57 AM Subject: VoiceOver does not work when I dubbel tap on iPad Something has gone wrong, when I dubbel tap on the screen to stop and play music, audio books, nothing happens. What can I do to fix this? typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@mac-access.net George Cham, george.c...@mac-access.net Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Shutting up Voiceover in I O S 7.02
Chris, Try a two fingered single tap! Hope it works view Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 10 Oct 2013, at 11:28 pm, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Hello guys. I have a question that is really starting to puzzle me a bit. I am using an IPad 4th Gen with a wireless bluetooth keyboard. I am noticing that even though I certainly can two finger single tap on the screen to silence Voiceover's speech, I'm finding that pressing the control key on my bluetooth keyboard isn't working. I was curious first of all if that is just me, or if others are also having this same problem. Second of all, if I'm not just having a strange issue, and it really indeed doesn't work that way, is there a way then that I can silence speech from my keyboard? Sometimes I have my IPad a good 3 and a half to 4 feet away from my keyboard, so reaching over to the thing just to hush it up is sometimes more difficult to do than comfort's sake. Aside from that though, I'm in heaven with this thing! Chris. Chris Gilland Founder and Manager of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com ch...@clgproductions.com Twitter: @clgp123 Phone: (704) 256-0067X401 Mon-Fri 8:00A.M-5:00P.M Eastern Daylight Time Closed on weekends and holidays --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Shutting up Voiceover in I O S 7.02
Hello guys. I have a question that is really starting to puzzle me a bit. I am using an IPad 4th Gen with a wireless bluetooth keyboard. I am noticing that even though I certainly can two finger single tap on the screen to silence Voiceover's speech, I'm finding that pressing the control key on my bluetooth keyboard isn't working. I was curious first of all if that is just me, or if others are also having this same problem. Second of all, if I'm not just having a strange issue, and it really indeed doesn't work that way, is there a way then that I can silence speech from my keyboard? Sometimes I have my IPad a good 3 and a half to 4 feet away from my keyboard, so reaching over to the thing just to hush it up is sometimes more difficult to do than comfort's sake. Aside from that though, I'm in heaven with this thing! Chris. Chris Gilland Founder and Manager of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com ch...@clgproductions.com Twitter: @clgp123 Phone: (704) 256-0067X401 Mon-Fri 8:00A.M-5:00P.M Eastern Daylight Time Closed on weekends and holidays --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Shutting up Voiceover in I O S 7.02
I think it is is a bug. What I do is just press vo s and have it stop that way. then continue what I”m doing. This is useful in class as I don’t need it to read my notesy text field to me every single time. Take care. On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Hello guys. I have a question that is really starting to puzzle me a bit. I am using an IPad 4th Gen with a wireless bluetooth keyboard. I am noticing that even though I certainly can two finger single tap on the screen to silence Voiceover's speech, I'm finding that pressing the control key on my bluetooth keyboard isn't working. I was curious first of all if that is just me, or if others are also having this same problem. Second of all, if I'm not just having a strange issue, and it really indeed doesn't work that way, is there a way then that I can silence speech from my keyboard? Sometimes I have my IPad a good 3 and a half to 4 feet away from my keyboard, so reaching over to the thing just to hush it up is sometimes more difficult to do than comfort's sake. Aside from that though, I'm in heaven with this thing! Chris. Chris Gilland Founder and Manager of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com ch...@clgproductions.com Twitter: @clgp123 Phone: (704) 256-0067X401 Mon-Fri 8:00A.M-5:00P.M Eastern Daylight Time Closed on weekends and holidays --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Shutting up Voiceover in I O S 7.02
Hi I think it is a bug in ios7 but I might be wrong -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Gilland Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:29 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Shutting up Voiceover in I O S 7.02 Hello guys. I have a question that is really starting to puzzle me a bit. I am using an IPad 4th Gen with a wireless bluetooth keyboard. I am noticing that even though I certainly can two finger single tap on the screen to silence Voiceover's speech, I'm finding that pressing the control key on my bluetooth keyboard isn't working. I was curious first of all if that is just me, or if others are also having this same problem. Second of all, if I'm not just having a strange issue, and it really indeed doesn't work that way, is there a way then that I can silence speech from my keyboard? Sometimes I have my IPad a good 3 and a half to 4 feet away from my keyboard, so reaching over to the thing just to hush it up is sometimes more difficult to do than comfort's sake. Aside from that though, I'm in heaven with this thing! Chris. Chris Gilland Founder and Manager of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com ch...@clgproductions.com Twitter: @clgp123 Phone: (704) 256-0067X401 Mon-Fri 8:00A.M-5:00P.M Eastern Daylight Time Closed on weekends and holidays --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
VoiceOver prefrences
Hi all, Now that I'm using VoiceOver commands instead of the mouse, I came across the VoiceOver preferences, in VoiceOver section of accessibility. It said that the user can export VoiceOver preferences. My question is this, how do you import the VoiceOver settings back onto the Mac? Also please take note, I'm using a new email address. Just sending this message through to make sure that it's working ok. typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@mac-access.net George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: VoiceOver prefrences
to import the prefs you can go to file, import and follow the prompts, you do this from the voice over utility. I believe the key board short cut is cmd shift I, but just in case that does not work it is is under file menu. Tc. On Sep 16, 2013, at 3:49 AM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all, Now that I'm using VoiceOver commands instead of the mouse, I came across the VoiceOver preferences, in VoiceOver section of accessibility. It said that the user can export VoiceOver preferences. My question is this, how do you import the VoiceOver settings back onto the Mac? Also please take note, I'm using a new email address. Just sending this message through to make sure that it's working ok. typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@mac-access.net George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver?
Brenda, The keystroke to turn on voiceover is command + f5. Same to turn it off, and same to turn it back on.To change the name of the personb, the speed and pitch is control option command plus left or right arrow or up or down arrow. The control and option keys are known as V O. V o command + the up or down and or right or left arrow keys. Artie. V From: meadowlark77 September 12, 2013 10:48 AM Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda ==. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
Command f5 will get you going. On 12/09/2013 15:48, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
Hello Brenda. www.applevis.com has a great podcast on how to set up a macbook. It is the macbook air but the theory is still the very same. it is worth listening to. On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:48 AM, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
@btinternet.com IBELIEVE THAT ALL MACS STILL COME WITH VOICEOVER STARTING UP BY DEFAULT. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO RUN THE GETTING STARTED WIZARD. IF YOUR MAC HAS THIS TURNED OFF THEN THE SHORT ANSWER IS USE COMMAND F5 TO TURN VOICEOVER ON. IF THIS DOES NOT WORK YOU CAN THEN TRY FN COMMAND F5 IF YOUR FUNCTION KEYS ARE SET TO HARDWARE RATHER THAN software . YOUR Voiceover keys are CONTROL AND OPTION AND YOU COULD START WITH hitting vo H to bring up Voiceover and help and select the Quick start tutorial. This should happen by default anyway if it is a new Mac I think. David Griffith d.griffith On 12 Sep 2013, at 15:48, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
Thanks, Mike. Do you have your podcasts yet on getting started with the Mac? Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net To: mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver When using a windows keyboard, the windows key is command and the alt key is option. So, the voiceover keys would be control and alt. Original message: David, on a windows keyboard, what are the equivalents to things like VoiceOver and Options and Command keys? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:22 AM Subject: Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver @btinternet.com I BELIEVE THAT ALL MACS STILL COME WITH VOICEOVER STARTING UP BY DEFAULT. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO RUN THE GETTING STARTED WIZARD. IF YOUR MAC HAS THIS TURNED OFF THEN THE SHORT ANSWER IS USE COMMAND F5 TO TURN VOICEOVER ON. IF THIS DOES NOT WORK YOU CAN THEN TRY FN COMMAND F5 IF YOUR FUNCTION KEYS ARE SET TO HARDWARE RATHER THAN software . YOUR Voiceover keys are CONTROL AND OPTION AND YOU COULD START WITH hitting vo H to bring up Voiceover and help and select the Quick start tutorial. This should happen by default anyway if it is a new Mac I think. David Griffith d.griffith On 12 Sep 2013, at 15:48, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver?
My Apple is a Mac Book Pro 13 [laptop]. However, I bought a full keyboard to attach via USB plug. The full keyboard has the large black keys and supersize characters in white. Of course that doesn't mean anything to me, but we marked certain keys so I can feel where my fingers are. From the space bar going left, first is the command key, [which is the alt key on the ms keyboard, then the option key, [which is the logo key on the MS keyboard,] then the control key, [same as the MS keybord]. From the space bar going right; first is the command key, [which is the alt key on the MS keyboard], then the option key, [which is the logo key on the MS keyboard], then the control key, [same as the MS keyboard]. I had to grasp the concept that the control key and the option key together are called v o. Combos such as v o + space, and v o + right arrow at first blew my mind. Now we've lerned: v o command + h; and v o command shift + h in safari. Say what? For Brenda; doing some of the functions in apple are similar to the MS keystrokes; similar. To copy selected text [to the clipboard],cmd+c instead of ctrl+c. To cut to the clipboard is cmd+x instead of ctrl+x. To paste is cmd+v instead of ctrl+v. To undo is cmd+z instead of ctrl+z. Artie. =. From: Mike Arrigo When using a windows keyboard, the windows key is command and the alt key is option. So, the voiceover keys would be control and alt. . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: voiceover settings with mail
Hi Ann, Well, I tried your method of getting rid of the preview pane and it worked. Now though, I can't figure out how to get it back. The help system says that you can hide or show the preview pane by double clicking on the splitter, but It only seems to get rid of it, and clicking again won't bring it back. At least, when I do the double click to breing it back, and the text message activity appears, then VO J won't jump to the message text. I like the absence of the preview pane, but I might want it back some day and this just bugs me. Any help? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: voiceover settings with mail
Hello Phil, I don't know why double clicking on the splitter isn't working for you. I just tried it clicking with the trackpad and it brought back the preview pane for me. Cheers, Anne On 25 Aug 2013, at 15:38, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ann, Well, I tried your method of getting rid of the preview pane and it worked. Now though, I can't figure out how to get it back. The help system says that you can hide or show the preview pane by double clicking on the splitter, but It only seems to get rid of it, and clicking again won't bring it back. At least, when I do the double click to breing it back, and the text message activity appears, then VO J won't jump to the message text. I like the absence of the preview pane, but I might want it back some day and this just bugs me. Any help? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: voiceover settings with mail
After much messing around, I seem to have mail back to the way I want it. I guess I'll leave it alone for a while and hopefully not mess it up again. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: voiceover settings with mail
hi Anne, Thanks for the information. It's greatly appreciated. Thanks, Don On Aug 25, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Don, Settings in Mail are a very personal thing. Many people seem to like the modern view which I think has three panes: mailboxes on the left, list of messages in the middle and the current message content on the right. I don't use this view, preferring classic view without the preview pane. Classic view has the mailboxes on the left, then a vertical splitter and to the right, the messages. I press Return to open a message in a new window, and it reads automatically. I then press Cmd-w to close it. I can have as many messages open as I like and just use the window chooser to get back to the main window. When you have the preview pane visible, as soon as you land on a message, it opens automatically and you use VO-j to jump to the content. I prefer to be able to choose whether or not to open a message. To get rid of the preview pane, you have to position yourself on the horizontal splitter below the message headers, bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and do a double click either with the mouse, track pad, VO-Shift-Space or the 5 key with numpad commander or the letter i with mousekeys enabled. Cheers, Anne On 25 Aug 2013, at 02:40, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote: I'm getting my mail app running on the mac and so far so good. But I find all the panes a bit confusing. Are there any recommended settings in mail, especially for managing and deleting messages, which allow voiceover to work more effectively with it? Thanks, Don --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: audio devices and voiceover
Thanks a lot. My sister helped me get it all working, but its all good now. And by the way, if you have Apple earbuds, they can also be used as a microphone, although I've not been able to get them to be a stereo mic, as they have two earpieces, only mono. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jul 24, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: 1. hit vo f8 to go to utilities. 2. hit cmd 6 on the number row to get to sound. 3. go to the pop up button where the device is at and choose your what ever you want the device to be 4. hit enter to close the pop up button. Tc. On Jul 24, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Okay, I don't know if any of you have experienced this, but my voiceover seems to have switched to another audio device, and my mac audio has stayed the same. I have a few virutual audio devices, the pocket cam and soundflower devices I know are there, as well as the mobiola web camera driver I think is there. So, can anyone tell me how I can get the voiceover audio back to the headphones? I can only hear the system audio, and command f5 doesn't do anything noticable. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: audio devices and voiceover
The apple ear buds will never be a stereo mic as it only has 1 mic. You would need a stereo mic for that to work. I can't think of one one at the top of my head but good luck. On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Thanks a lot. My sister helped me get it all working, but its all good now. And by the way, if you have Apple earbuds, they can also be used as a microphone, although I've not been able to get them to be a stereo mic, as they have two earpieces, only mono. sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud. Devin prater email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Skype: devinprater msn: devinpra...@live.com On Jul 24, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: 1. hit vo f8 to go to utilities. 2. hit cmd 6 on the number row to get to sound. 3. go to the pop up button where the device is at and choose your what ever you want the device to be 4. hit enter to close the pop up button. Tc. On Jul 24, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Okay, I don't know if any of you have experienced this, but my voiceover seems to have switched to another audio device, and my mac audio has stayed the same. I have a few virutual audio devices, the pocket cam and soundflower devices I know are there, as well as the mobiola web camera driver I think is there. So, can anyone tell me how I can get the voiceover audio back to the headphones? I can only hear the system audio, and command f5 doesn't do anything noticable. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from
audio devices and voiceover
Okay, I don't know if any of you have experienced this, but my voiceover seems to have switched to another audio device, and my mac audio has stayed the same. I have a few virutual audio devices, the pocket cam and soundflower devices I know are there, as well as the mobiola web camera driver I think is there. So, can anyone tell me how I can get the voiceover audio back to the headphones? I can only hear the system audio, and command f5 doesn't do anything noticable. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: audio devices and voiceover
1. hit vo f8 to go to utilities. 2. hit cmd 6 on the number row to get to sound. 3. go to the pop up button where the device is at and choose your what ever you want the device to be 4. hit enter to close the pop up button. Tc. On Jul 24, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Okay, I don't know if any of you have experienced this, but my voiceover seems to have switched to another audio device, and my mac audio has stayed the same. I have a few virutual audio devices, the pocket cam and soundflower devices I know are there, as well as the mobiola web camera driver I think is there. So, can anyone tell me how I can get the voiceover audio back to the headphones? I can only hear the system audio, and command f5 doesn't do anything noticable. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: get iplayer automator (was Accessible Internet Browsers) For theMack and Voiceover withMountain Lion
Shows part of your iTunes library from where you can play the desired shows. Downloaded radio programs will appear in the Music part of your iTunes library and can be found by going to Artists and looking for BBC Radio. You can use the TVR feature of Get iPlayer Automator to automatically download the next available program of a nominated series the next time you start Get iPlayer Automator. To do this press the TVR button in the Toolbar. This brings up a panel enabling you to search for a show in a series of shows and then add that series to the TVR queue. The next time you start Get iPlayer Automator it will search for the next show for each entry in the TVR queue and if one is found it will add it to your download queue. Each time you start Get iPlayer Automator it refreshes its index of possible shows. If you have not used Get iPlayer Automator for a while this can take several minutes during which the Search For Shows edit box is dimmed. You then just need to be patent and wait for the Search For Shows edit box to become available. On 12 Jul 2013, at 15:35, Judy Pryor judith.pr...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi Paul I could not receive your attachment either. I have had automator for a while and I just cannot work it at all. I do not understand what all the buttons are for particualy the plus and dash ones I type in what I want to watch and it comes in to the table then I am unable to listen to it having clicked everything I could think of. Its version 1.5.3536 and I am running mountain lion. I think you have to subscribe to the access it magazine, which issue is your imput in. I hope you can help. Judy - Original Message - From: Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Re: get iplayer automator (was Accessible Internet Browsers) For theMack and Voiceover withMountain Lion Hello, FYI I attach an article on Get iPlayer Automator which I recently submitted to the RNIB online magazine Access IT. Enjoy wawsxx I have just published On 8 Jul 2013, at 11:59, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Don't despair! There's a solution. The app you need is Get iPlayer Automator https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39019/get-iplayer-automator It works even outside the UK. Cheers, Anne On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:05, ANDY COLLINS a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - New to the Mac, only had my MacBook Air for 3 weeks. I'm interested in the possibility of using a different web browser, as I want to use www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer to listen to radio/TV programmes I miss, here in the UK. I'm able to find the programme I want to listen too, but the play button is a graphic, and VO can't see it. JAWS under Windows was ok with this, as the BBC was made aware of the problem, and made it accessible, but they don't appear to have taken Mac users in to consideration. I'll contact them about this, but in the meantime, don't want to keep missing programmes. Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe there is a way to have VO see the play button when in a graphic, and I just don't know how to make it happen, so if anybody knows if VO can be made to see these graphic buttons, I'd appreciate the knowledge - Andy - Original Message - From: Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack and Voiceover withMountain Lion Hello, I find that the lightning browser works fine with VoiceOver and often allows me to access buttons and the like which Safari cannot find for whatever reason. I recommend that you give it a go. It is in the App store. Paul Hopewell On 8 Jul 2013, at 02:02, gaggor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Listers: I heard that there are other options for browsers which are compatible with Voiceover. Is this true? If so, where do I obtain swuch a one? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks much. Andrew --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should
Using Brailliant With VoiceOver On The Mac
Hi Everyone, As I mentioned recently, I received a Brailliant BI 40 last Friday, and my purpose in getting it was to use it with both my iMac and iOS devices. I plugged it into my iMac via USB cable, and Braille showed up right away, so that was excellent! However, when I went to check my mail, I had trouble navigating the messages table. So, my question is this. Since when using VoiceOver speech we must interact with tables, how do we do this when using a Braille display? Any assistance with this would be most appreciated! Thanks! Desi --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Using Brailliant With VoiceOver On The Mac
I think you can use the keystroke VO shift down arrow to interact. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Desi Noller Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:18 PM To: mac-access iOS Accessibility Subject: Using Brailliant With VoiceOver On The Mac Hi Everyone, As I mentioned recently, I received a Brailliant BI 40 last Friday, and my purpose in getting it was to use it with both my iMac and iOS devices. I plugged it into my iMac via USB cable, and Braille showed up right away, so that was excellent! However, when I went to check my mail, I had trouble navigating the messages table. So, my question is this. Since when using VoiceOver speech we must interact with tables, how do we do this when using a Braille display? Any assistance with this would be most appreciated! Thanks! Desi --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Using Brailliant With VoiceOver On The Mac
No, that isn't my question. I know how to use VO-shift down arrow to interact, but is this necessary when using a Braille display, and if so, how do you do it from the Braille Keyboard on the Braille Display? Desi On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: I think you can use the keystroke VO shift down arrow to interact. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Desi Noller Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:18 PM To: mac-access iOS Accessibility Subject: Using Brailliant With VoiceOver On The Mac Hi Everyone, As I mentioned recently, I received a Brailliant BI 40 last Friday, and my purpose in getting it was to use it with both my iMac and iOS devices. I plugged it into my iMac via USB cable, and Braille showed up right away, so that was excellent! However, when I went to check my mail, I had trouble navigating the messages table. So, my question is this. Since when using VoiceOver speech we must interact with tables, how do we do this when using a Braille display? Any assistance with this would be most appreciated! Thanks! Desi --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
