Re: Logitech K375S Keyboard

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

I don't know about that model, but I'm using a K380 multi-device keyboard. I'd 
guess the two are similar. I currently have it connected to Windows and iOS, 
and it works well on both. I did have to install the Logitech program to 
control whether the function key is needed with the top row of keys on Windows, 
but that was simple enough once I found out I needed it.

I haven't tried the keyboard on macOS yet, but I see no reason it wouldn't work 
well enough. I did read somewhere that macOS can't see it as an official Apple 
keyboard, so you can't control the use of the function key and will always have 
to press it. That is, cmd-f5 becomes cmd-fn-f5, and there's no way to change 
that. Of course, that was just on a forum, and may be outdated now. Still, 
given how often VO users need the function keys, it's worth considering.

Sorry I can't answer specifically about the K375, but I hope my adventures with 
the K380 are of some help.

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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 20:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Seasons greetings to all,
> 
> Just wondering if anyone can tell me if the Logitech K375S  Multidevice 
> keyboard can work with  a  Mac computer and say windows computer or IOS 
> device?
> 
> I'm having trouble getting correct info out of retailers (useless dickheads) 
> and google.
> 
> Hoping someone on this list can give  some honest correct answers.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
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Re: Portable mini keyboard for a visually impaired person.

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This will depend on a few factors. I have a folding keyboard from iClever that 
I like okay. It's aluminum, and is reasonably sturdy. It folds up, with the two 
outer portions folding over the central one, thus protecting all the keys when 
not in use. The drawback is that it starts to fold up if you try to use it on 
your lap, so you need a steady surface to use it.

The other small one I've found is the Logitech K380 multi-device keyboard. I 
like the keys, the device is sturdy, there's a physical on/off switch, and it 
can be connected to up to three machines at once. Right now, for instance, I 
can press f1 to connect to my iPhone, and f2 to switch to my Windows computer. 
I still have one slot left for a future device. The main difference is that 
this keyboard is larger (still quite small, though) and the keys aren't 
protected. They don't stick up much, so I imagine putting this in a bag would 
work fine, but the iClever keyboard has the folding design that means no keys 
can be snagged or knocked off.

Both options are usually about or under $30. The iClever keyboard is 
rechargeable, while the K380 uses two batteries.

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> On Dec 3, 2018, at 14:48, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> tthe braille pen slim is just such a keyboard. it's very small and light. I 
> have one and I like it.
> My Youtube Channel:
> "www.youtube.com/loriemccloud 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 10:06 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hello.
>> 
>> I am wishing to know peoples opinion on which is the best small portable 
>> keyboard is for a visually impaired person. I know lots of people will have 
>> different opinions, but I don’t have a small Bluetooth portable keyboard. I 
>> have to dictate my messages or use my braille display which is a little bit 
>> too big for me to carry about. One of these days I will get a small braille 
>> display, but in the meantime, it would be good to have a very small 
>> Bluetooth keyboard to put in my bag.
>> I am also wanting to get a Mac at some point next year, maybe around March 
>> or April. It will be good to have a computer again. It has been a couple of 
>> years since I’ve not had one and that is quite a long time.
>> Thank you very much.
>> 
>> Kawal..
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Re: Apple Watch - wake screen and siri

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The Series 3 is definitely a worth-while update form a Series 0. 
Congratulations.

Raise to Speak is tricky at best, I've found. The motion seems to be a very 
deliberate raising of the arm until the Watch is just in front of the mouth, 
but even that doesn't always work. I find that Hey Siri works just fine, 
though, so I don't really worry about Raise to Speak much. It would be cool to 
have, but saving myself three syllables doesn't seem worth the bother the 
feature is to get working.

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> On Dec 1, 2018, at 08:26, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I broke down and purchased a series 3 watch during the Apple sale.  It is 
> much more responsive than the series 0 which I am turning in for $25.
> 
> What are the best settings for the wake screen?  
> 
> Raise to speak siri only works some of the time.  Are there any tricks to 
> getting siri to respond?  Perhaps holding the digital crown is more reliable.
> 
> TIA
> Chris
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Re: Audible question

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Exactly. There was a bug where Apple Watch would continually show usage hints 
instead of playback controls, but that has long since been fixed. Apart from 
that, I've never gotten any error messages on either device. 

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> On Nov 18, 2018, at 16:28, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, Alex. So are you saying that when you open the Audible app on your 
> phone you never got a pop-up message saying that it can’t sync with your 
> watch? That’s very curious. I wonder why I would get it and you wouldn’t.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 18, 2018, at 3:26 PM, 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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>> I'm not having that problem, so can't offer any ideas on how to troubleshoot 
>> it. If you want to remove the app from the Watch, though, that's easily done.
>> 
>> Open the Watch app on your iPhone, and find Audible under the "installed on 
>> Apple Watch" heading. Double tap Audible, then find the "show on Apple 
>> Watch" switch and turn it off. This should remove the app from your Watch, 
>> but not affect the iOS version at all.
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>>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 12:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> First, sorry about the mention of Robert Cole in the to field.  I keep 
>>> deleting this from my previous recipients list, but it keeps coming back 
>>> and I'm tired of trying to delete it.
>>> 
>>> Now for my Audible question.  I made the stupid mistake of pairing the app 
>>> with my watch.  Now every time I open the app on my phone, a message pops 
>>> up every fifteen seconds or so, saying that the app cannot sync with my 
>>> watch.  It is most annoying, as it makes the app very tiresome to use.  
>>> Does anyone know if there is a way to unpair the app from my watch, or 
>>> otherwise make that message go away?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Audible question

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

I'm not having that problem, so can't offer any ideas on how to troubleshoot 
it. If you want to remove the app from the Watch, though, that's easily done.

Open the Watch app on your iPhone, and find Audible under the "installed on 
Apple Watch" heading. Double tap Audible, then find the "show on Apple Watch" 
switch and turn it off. This should remove the app from your Watch, but not 
affect the iOS version at all.

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> On Nov 18, 2018, at 12:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> First, sorry about the mention of Robert Cole in the to field.  I keep 
> deleting this from my previous recipients list, but it keeps coming back and 
> I'm tired of trying to delete it.
> 
> Now for my Audible question.  I made the stupid mistake of pairing the app 
> with my watch.  Now every time I open the app on my phone, a message pops up 
> every fifteen seconds or so, saying that the app cannot sync with my watch.  
> It is most annoying, as it makes the app very tiresome to use.  Does anyone 
> know if there is a way to unpair the app from my watch, or otherwise make 
> that message go away?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: OT: Quick and Dirty Windows Tutorial

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I don't have a tutorial, but I--and others here--can try to answer questions. 
First, though, which screen reader will you be using? If you left Windows years 
ago, you might not think that NVDA can work for you, but it can in many cases. 
I do IT, and use NVDA exclusively. Even Narrator on Windows 10 is becoming a 
viable backup screen reader.

Anyway, what will you be using for screen reading, and on what operating 
system? I'm guessing Windows 10. What software will you have to use most often?

Speaking ver broadly, the interaction models are kind of similar. You use tab 
almost exclusively in Windows, not vo-arrows. Enter will activate the button 
you're on, not the default button like on the Mac, but the space bar will 
activate the current button as well. The Windows key opens the Start Menu, 
where you can type searches and arrow down through results similar to 
Spotlight. Web navigation is similar to the Mac with Quick Nav on; use 
first-letter navigation to jump around, arrows to read, and tab to move from 
element to element.

There are a LOT of features I'm skipping, like ways of reading the screen 
similar to vo-arrows, keyboard modes on webpages, and a bunch more. But these 
are my first thoughts.

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> On Nov 11, 2018, at 20:46, Christine Grassman  wrote:
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> I need help ASAP. I am starting a new job soon, and Windows-based computers 
> are provided. I have used a Mac and VoiceOver for years, and am concerned 
> about relearning Windows. Could someone please direct me to a resource which 
> will both update me and give me a quick learning curve tutorial? I have to 
> relocate, so I’m in the market for something very straightforward; I’ll dig 
> into the nitty-gritty later.
> TIA
> Christine
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Re: time to replace the 2010 MBP

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

Correct. That's why you need adapters to go from USB type A, which most drives 
and other connectors still are for now, to the new USB type C. Thunderbolt is 
just a speed standard defining the speed of data transfer over the port, it's 
not a physical aspect of the port's shape.

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> On Nov 11, 2018, at 10:41, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
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> I believe the new macbook air and pro have thunderbolt ports that handle only 
> usb c devices?
>  
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli>
>  
> From: 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 9:41 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: time to replace the 2010 MBP
>  
> Sorry, I may have read wrong. I believe you said you are using (or getting) a 
> new Mac with only USBC? If that's the case you'll need to have a way for the 
> USB-A (the older ports you probably think of when you think USB) to talk to 
> the new USB-C ports. That's the adapter I'm talking about. The number, like 
> USB2 or USB3, is more about the speed than any physical changes.
> 
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>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 19:13, Sarai Bucciarelli > <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Why do I need an adapter if USB 3 is backwards compatible?
>>  
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli>
>>  
>> From: 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 5:42 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: time to replace the 2010 MBP
>>  
>> Anything will work, as USB3 is backward-comptabile with the USB2 on your old 
>> Mac. I'd definitely get a USB3 storage device, even though it's more 
>> expensive, because it will be a lot faster.
>>  
>> As to the question of connection types, that's what adapters are for. Grab a 
>> USBC adapter or three, or a hub, to connect your drive. If the drive is 
>> USBC, then you'll need the opposite adapter to connect the drive to the old 
>> Mac. Either way, make sure the adapter is able to handle USB3 speeds, as 
>> cheap adapters that can't will bottleneck your transfers.
>> 
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>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 17:46, Sarai Bucciarelli >> <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi all:
>>> My April 2010 MBP over-halled with an SSD is getting long in the tooth with 
>>> Voiceover, as well as cannot be updated anymore.
>>> So, all of my Windows machines, and my Mac have the regular 2.0 USB port.
>>> The MBP or MBA have these new thunderbolt ports. If I want to by an 
>>> external HD, or a thumb drive to transfer items between the old mac, the 
>>> new mac, and Windows machine, what kind of HD and thumb drive  am I looking 
>>> for?
>>>  
>>> Leaning towards getting the new MBA, but it depends on what good deals crop 
>>> up around Thanksgiving.
>>>  
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
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Re: time to replace the 2010 MBP

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry, I may have read wrong. I believe you said you are using (or getting) a 
new Mac with only USBC? If that's the case you'll need to have a way for the 
USB-A (the older ports you probably think of when you think USB) to talk to the 
new USB-C ports. That's the adapter I'm talking about. The number, like USB2 or 
USB3, is more about the speed than any physical changes.

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> On Nov 10, 2018, at 19:13, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Why do I need an adapter if USB 3 is backwards compatible?
>  
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>  
> From: 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 5:42 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: time to replace the 2010 MBP
>  
> Anything will work, as USB3 is backward-comptabile with the USB2 on your old 
> Mac. I'd definitely get a USB3 storage device, even though it's more 
> expensive, because it will be a lot faster.
>  
> As to the question of connection types, that's what adapters are for. Grab a 
> USBC adapter or three, or a hub, to connect your drive. If the drive is USBC, 
> then you'll need the opposite adapter to connect the drive to the old Mac. 
> Either way, make sure the adapter is able to handle USB3 speeds, as cheap 
> adapters that can't will bottleneck your transfers.
> 
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>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 17:46, Sarai Bucciarelli > <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi all:
>> My April 2010 MBP over-halled with an SSD is getting long in the tooth with 
>> Voiceover, as well as cannot be updated anymore.
>> So, all of my Windows machines, and my Mac have the regular 2.0 USB port.
>> The MBP or MBA have these new thunderbolt ports. If I want to by an external 
>> HD, or a thumb drive to transfer items between the old mac, the new mac, and 
>> Windows machine, what kind of HD and thumb drive  am I looking for?
>>  
>> Leaning towards getting the new MBA, but it depends on what good deals crop 
>> up around Thanksgiving.
>>  
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Re: time to replace the 2010 MBP

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

Anything will work, as USB3 is backward-comptabile with the USB2 on your old 
Mac. I'd definitely get a USB3 storage device, even though it's more expensive, 
because it will be a lot faster.

As to the question of connection types, that's what adapters are for. Grab a 
USBC adapter or three, or a hub, to connect your drive. If the drive is USBC, 
then you'll need the opposite adapter to connect the drive to the old Mac. 
Either way, make sure the adapter is able to handle USB3 speeds, as cheap 
adapters that can't will bottleneck your transfers.

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> On Nov 10, 2018, at 17:46, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
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> Hi all:
> My April 2010 MBP over-halled with an SSD is getting long in the tooth with 
> Voiceover, as well as cannot be updated anymore.
> So, all of my Windows machines, and my Mac have the regular 2.0 USB port.
> The MBP or MBA have these new thunderbolt ports. If I want to by an external 
> HD, or a thumb drive to transfer items between the old mac, the new mac, and 
> Windows machine, what kind of HD and thumb drive  am I looking for?
>  
> Leaning towards getting the new MBA, but it depends on what good deals crop 
> up around Thanksgiving.
>  
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Re: texting with my iPhone

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That still happens in iOS. My guess is that you're getting multiple 
notifications, and they are being grouped together. Double tapping this group 
expands it, letting you see each message notification, but not taking you to 
Messages. If you have a single message, tapping it will do what you expect.

You can either expand the group, then choose a message and tap it, or you can 
open your notifications settings and disable grouping if you really don't like 
it. Again, though, if you have a single message and tap it, you should go 
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> On Sep 29, 2018, at 17:26, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> when I was using my 5-s running the last iteration of IOS 10, if I got a text 
> message I could tap on it and messages would open and I'd be right on that 
> person's message. that doesn't happen now with my new phone and IOS 12. is 
> there some setting I need to change or has that feature gone away?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: XS speakers vs the eight generation's

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Volume wasn't mentioned, as far as I recall. The quality of sound was said to 
be better, with no specifics given. The focus was on the stereo separation; 
Apple claims that stereo sounds much better in the XS, with both hardware and 
AI helping to improve the experience. I'm looking forward to trying that 
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> On Sep 14, 2018, at 00:14, Daniel McGee  wrote:
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> Hi all 
> 
> 
> 
> From the apple keynote, I got the impression that the XS iPhone's had: stereo 
> speakers and that they are meant to be louder than the iPhone 8 generations 
> of iPhone's. 
> 
> Do I have this correct? Or was this for a specific feature only on the XS 
> models for something in particular towards the iOS operating system. 
> 
> Looking forward to any clarity on this topic that any of you can provide me 
> with. 
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Re: Voiceover Rotor to adjust speed and language

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Simply add the shift key. Apple made the old verbosity rotor keystrokes into a 
quick-access navigation rotor, and moved the verbosity settings to the old 
keystrokes with the shift key added on. Thus, you want vo-shift-cmd-arrows, not 
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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:59, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
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> Hi list,
> 
> Hope all are well. I recall in previous builds of OSX I could easily adjust 
> Voiceover's speed, pitch, volume and  even switch VO voices from the rotor. 
> The key combination, control + option + command + right or left arrows use to 
> do the trick. Then I would use control + option + command + up or down arrows 
> to make my adjustments after navigating to the category of interest.  Is 
> there  a way to quickly do something like this in High Sierra? When I press 
> the before mentioned key combination in Finder,  I get the options for 
> navigation, characters, and words.
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> Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you for your ideas.
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Re: Astreos: GMT location bug

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My main complaint right now is with bluetooth headphones. Because the app needs 
microphone access, opening it forces VoiceOver to a much lower quality than 
normal, especially over non-Apple bluetooth headphones. I'm using Aftershokz, 
and get phone-quality audio with the app open. Of course, I could disable mic 
access to fix this, but it seems like a gesture for voice search would be 
better. Just my initial impression. I'm still thrilled that this app is in the 
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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 08:44, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Just wanted to give a heads-up that we found a bug that jorients the objects 
> improperly when users are located in negative GMT time zones.
> 
> We're fixing this up, along with a few others which I will list here for now, 
> so that you can compare and know that we're working on them:
> -Volume is not high enough on speakers. A gesture for volume up/down will be 
> added
> -visually, on smaller phones, some information is cropped out
> -Some prefer a single screen touch instead of pinch zooming. We agreed that a 
> double tap is better for zooming in, as some had to contort themselves in 
> weird positions when an object was straight up above. Hilarious and. funny 
> yes, but the goal of the app is to provide information quickly :)
> -Some sounds disappear when zooming back from constellations
> 
> ALongside the above, we're going to expose all of the information which is 
> visually available using 3D audio for voice over.
> -Many more features to come
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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

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Christine, you may have said earlier, so forgive the repeat. What's the status 
of your hard drive? Specifically, how full is it? If you open Activity Monitor, 
how much ram is in use?

In Activity Monitor, interact with the toolbar, then with the tab view radio 
group. Choose the memory tab, stop interacting twice, and vo-right to the 
table. The processes here should be sorted by highest memory usage, so look at 
what the top ones are. If you vo-right past the table, you can find the total 
ram, used ram, swap details, and other information that may shed light on the 
problem. Thinking back, I seem to recall some similar problems on my 2012 Air 
when its drive got really full, but I may be mis-remembering that.

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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 07:04, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi, Tim. Yes, I do have a “guest account” on my MacBook. Initially, there 
>> was no issue. However, after a while, the problem cropped up again, although 
>> not to the same bothersome extent. I mustsay, however, that if I could get 
>> it to the less bothersome level, I could live with it. Why would this make 
>> such a difference?
> Christine
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 6:50 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it was mentioned earlier, but, the best way to determine 
>> what's going on here, would be to create a new account on your Mac.  If this 
>> new account has the same issues with Safari, then it is something to do with 
>> the processing pwer of your Mac, otherwise, if things seem to work fine in 
>> this new account, then there's a conflict of sorts in the existing account.  
>> This is much faster and easier than a total clean install and will give you 
>> a good answer.  To create a new user, go into System Preferences, Users & 
>> Groups, unlock the lock, then press on the Add user button.  Once the user 
>> has been created, logout of the current user, log into the new one, then try 
>> Safari.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 06:03, Christine Grassman > <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I do not hae any issues on iOS devices either, but I am not a touch-screen 
>>> only fan, and Iprefer a keyboard for task-heavy items, and have no patience 
>>> for dealing with extra components like external keyboards.
>> Christine 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:49 PM, David Chittenden >> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, this is one of the reasons I decided to upgrade to the latest Windows 
>>> machine rather than a new Mac.
>>> 
>>> However, my primary reason is: Apple refuses to upgrade the Mac to 
>>> touchscreen, and Windows Narrator is now quite useable. It is the only 
>>> screen reader I am currently using on my new machine.
>>> 
>>> All that said, my primary devices are my iPhone X and my iPad Pro 10.5. 
>>> And, I will most likely switch back to Mac if Apple ever makes it a 
>>> touchscreen device.
>>> 
>>> Oh, and no busy busy problems on my iOS devices.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:11, Christine Grassman >>> <mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It happens with Google Chrome as well, and it freezes completely and does 
>>>> not allow me to do a thing, no matter what I press. It’ll say “VoiceOver 
>>>> off,” but not “VoiceOver on,” and it will be silent for a long time, or 
>>>> say “busy,” no matter what I press, though I can almost always get out and 
>>>> can do something with another application. But as soon as I go back to the 
>>>> web, it freezes until it is good and ready. Sometimes, this will happen in 
>>>> Mail: busy, freeze, click, and “VoiceOver on”. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:18 AM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
>>>>> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather 

Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

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Have you tried on a different account? If you go to System Preferences and make 
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> On Aug 14, 2018, at 01:18, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for something 
> specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome rather than Safari.
> Marshall
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem area”? 
>>> Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up to a couple of 
>>> minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . . . and then if I 
>>> attempt again the task I was attempting, again, and again, and again, ad 
>>> nauseam.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, 'Marshall Scott' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the problem area. 
>>>  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other thing I can think of is 
>>> for everyone who has this issue to call Apple Accessibility every time it 
>>> happens.  Unfortunately, this might have undesirable consequences in terms 
>>> of support.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Christine Grassman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a disk 
>>>> utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no matter what 
>>>> web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I am, no matter what I 
>>>> do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill anything out, read through 
>>>> headings or other information, busy becomes a monster and is costing 
>>>> literally taking hours out of my days to complete the simplest tasks to 
>>>> more involved ones.
>>>> Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something visiting the 
>>>> Genius Bar might accomplish?
>>>> Christine
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Re: Booting From Another Startup Disk

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

This is correct, but to answer the other part of the question: no, no speech 
here. It's too early, and the Mac has no disk from which to run any kind of 
speech. At least, that's how I think of it, though I'm sure Apple could fix 
this if they really wanted to. Don't forget you can select this in System 
Preferences before you restart. At least, I think you can. I've never had 
occasion to try it for real.

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> On Aug 13, 2018, at 11:51, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Brandon,
> Yes. While booting, hold the option key to bring up target disk mode. Left 
> arrow once to select the startup disk and press enter. If all goes well it 
> should boot. Hth.
> 
> 
> On August 13, 2018 11:05:12 AM "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Is it possible to accessibly select another startup disk when booting? I 
>> know in some modes there's a limited version of Voiceover. Is this one of 
>> them?
>> 
>> Brandon
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Re: Navigating message components in Apple Mail

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

We've all done things like that, and we all will again.  I'm just glad 
everything is now working again.

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> On Aug 13, 2018, at 08:28, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Alex, you were far more helpful than you may realize.  This is very 
> embarrassing, because I should have known better.  The problem was  with me, 
> not VoiceOver or my MacBook Pro.
> 
> The mistake I repeatedly made was that I had not stopped interacting with the 
> body of the message so actually, VO was behaving properly all along.
> 
> So thanks for your help, though after all these years of using the Mac, I 
> shouldn’t have made that type of mistake.
> 
> Best regards and thanks again,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11.08.2018, at 14:44, 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's odd, because shift-tab works here. It worked on High Sierra, and it 
>> still works on the Mojave betas. It's the only method I use, actually. Even 
>> if that isn't working for some reason, VO commands should. Here, I can stop 
>> interacting with my message body, then vo-left and get to the subject, from 
>> address, and other options just as expected. I can't think of anything that 
>> might be stopping this on your system. Sorry I can't be of more help.
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 07:40, Michael Busboom >> <mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, that seems to be no longer the solution.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10.08.2018, at 15:53, michael dailey >>> <mailto:mpd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am not on the sam os, but shift tab worked for me.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mike Dailey
>>>> mpd...@gmail.com <mailto:mpd...@gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Michael Busboom >>>> <mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should start out by saying that I am running the latest OS on my 2016 
>>>>> MacBook Pro.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here’s the problem:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recently wrote a note to several friends and in the course of my 
>>>>> writing, I decided I wanted to change the subject and change the email 
>>>>> address from which the message would be sent.  Once inside the body of 
>>>>> the message, I was unable to get back to fields where I could modify the 
>>>>> subject line and change the address from wwhich I wanted to send the 
>>>>> note.  When I stopped interacting with the body of my message, I was 
>>>>> still unable to get to the fields I wanted to change.  Using the Item 
>>>>> Chooser didn’t reveal anything I could click on, unless I am missing the 
>>>>> obvious.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any help would be both welcome and greatly appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have a nice weekend, everybody, and thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

Email sent. This is a fascinating project and is one I'm incredibly excited 
about. Thanks for letting us know, and keep us updated on the progress!

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> On Aug 12, 2018, at 15:15, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> A quick introduction of myself.
> 
> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
> Australia.
> 
> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
> 
> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with an 
> attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located on 
> earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact location.
> 
> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
> dawn. 
> 
> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
> 
> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system which 
> follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines of the 
> solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 118000 stars 
> which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, including far away 
> galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what chemical elements or 
> spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through the largest 
> astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
> 
> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a sense 
> of where all of this is in the sky.
> 
> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
> stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, when 
> they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a lot of 
> time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either visual, sound, 
> touch or voice.
> 
> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
> those stars and their properties.
> 
> 
> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
> me playing around with it:
> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
>>  
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0>
>> 
> 
> 
> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet but 
> it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 without 
> issues).
> 
> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts <https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts>
> 
> 
> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
> 
> have a great week y'all,
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> OSS (Operating System Stack)
> Oseyeris
> www.oseyeris.com <http://www.oseyeris.com/>
> Skype: Shainobi1 
> twitter: @triple7
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Re: using interval timer during work-outs?

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

The default timer app can't do intervals, as it requires manual shutoff and 
resetting. However, a quick web search showed me apps that *are* designed for 
interval timing. I don't know about their accessibility, but they do exist.

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> On Aug 12, 2018, at 06:27, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I've not seen that feature in the watchs fitness related apps such as the 
> indoor cycle etc.
> 
> Could you however set the timer of the watch to go off every 10 or so minutes 
> depending on what interval you require?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2018 2:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: using interval timer during work-outs?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I use my Apple Watch for my work-outs.  One feature I would like to add is to 
> have a timer that dings every 10 minutes, so I know how long I've been 
> working out without having to pull up my watch.  Does anyone know if there's 
> a way to accomplish that?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Navigating message components in Apple Mail

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

That's odd, because shift-tab works here. It worked on High Sierra, and it 
still works on the Mojave betas. It's the only method I use, actually. Even if 
that isn't working for some reason, VO commands should. Here, I can stop 
interacting with my message body, then vo-left and get to the subject, from 
address, and other options just as expected. I can't think of anything that 
might be stopping this on your system. Sorry I can't be of more help.

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> On Aug 11, 2018, at 07:40, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, that seems to be no longer the solution.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10.08.2018, at 15:53, michael dailey > <mailto:mpd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not on the sam os, but shift tab worked for me.
>> 
>> 
>> Mike Dailey
>> mpd...@gmail.com <mailto:mpd...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Michael Busboom >> <mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> I should start out by saying that I am running the latest OS on my 2016 
>>> MacBook Pro.
>>> 
>>> Here’s the problem:
>>> 
>>> I recently wrote a note to several friends and in the course of my writing, 
>>> I decided I wanted to change the subject and change the email address from 
>>> which the message would be sent.  Once inside the body of the message, I 
>>> was unable to get back to fields where I could modify the subject line and 
>>> change the address from wwhich I wanted to send the note.  When I stopped 
>>> interacting with the body of my message, I was still unable to get to the 
>>> fields I wanted to change.  Using the Item Chooser didn’t reveal anything I 
>>> could click on, unless I am missing the obvious.
>>> 
>>> Any help would be both welcome and greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Have a nice weekend, everybody, and thanks!
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Accessibility of Google calendars on iPhones?

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

I discovered recently that Google lets you create a Google account, but not a 
Gmail address if you'd rather use another one. I was helping a client sign up 
with Google, and we were able to use the client's iCloud email to sign up. The 
password was different from iCloud, of course, but the email was the same. I 
imagine you could do the same with your work email, assuming that email isn't 
already a Gmail address or one with a Google-managed domain, and use your 
calendars that way. As others have said, you can add Google calendars to your 
Calendar app, with no need for a new app at all. Mail, contacts, and notes 
should be equally easy to add, should it be necessary.

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> On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:56, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info,  Tim.  This is very helpful.
> 
> Although I have a Gmail account, it would not be the account I would want to 
> use for our joint calendar.  It would be the email address I use for our 
> research, which isn’t Google.  Would the calendar still work for me, as long 
> as I had a Gmail calendar app on my iPhone?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30.07.2018, at 17:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> It’s perfectly accessible. You can add a G Mail account to your iPhone and 
>> use the built in Apple Calendar app as well. 
>> 
>> Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since all of you were so helpful with my inquiry about a fitness watch, I 
>>> thought I’d ask you another question.
>>> 
>>> I am part of a R group here in Austria.  Within our group, some people 
>>> use iOS devices while other people are using either Android or Windows. It 
>>> is the groups thinking that, in order to have something readily accessible 
>>> to everyone, we would use Google calendars.  While I know that the Google 
>>> calendar app can be installed on my iPhone,I am wondering how accessible it 
>>> really is.  Have any of you successfully used the app, and is it easy 
>>> enough to use, i.e. is it worth my effort to install it?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Accessible fitness watch that works seamlessly with the iPhone?

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Your next decision is... Which one? The Series 2 is good, the Series 3 is 
better and has the option of a cellular connection, and the Series 4 should 
arrive this fall sometime. If you can wait, I'd suggest holding out for the 
next generation. If you love it, great, you have the latest. If you're okay 
with a Series 3 or 2 even with the 4 available, great, you can likely get one 
at a discount.

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> On Jul 30, 2018, at 09:42, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Very helpful.  I have decided to go with the Apple Watch.  That decision is 
> based on the feedback I received to my inquiry.  Thanks to all of you.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30.07.2018, at 12:05, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> yeah two choices,
>> 
>> the fitbit range of devices have the sensors to pick up what your doing with 
>> your exercise and relay it to you through your iphone and the fitbit app.
>> 
>> You'd have to check on which ones do what these days as I've lost track.
>> There used to be a Charge HR which did most of what you want.
>> 
>> The second option and the one I use when walking or cycling is the apple 
>> watch.
>> 
>> It even has tracking settings for cycling be it in doors or outdoors on a 
>> cycle / on the roads.
>> 
>> And both the watch itself will tell you the details of your training / 
>> cycling or your phone can give it to you also.
>> 
>> Without a doubt the watch would be my first choice and first recommendation 
>> to you.
>> The benefit over the fitbit is the watch has voiceover so can talk to you 
>> with out the phone 
>> Fitbit only has the phone to relay what your doing or have done.
>> 
>> Hope that helps. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Michael Busboom
>> Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2018 11:42 PM
>> To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Accessible fitness watch that works seamlessly with the iPhone?
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> My wife, who is sighted, are really into tandem cycling, and I do a lot of 
>> hiking as well.
>> 
>> My wife has a FitBit watch that keeps track of all manner of things such as 
>> heart rate, distance biked, calories burned, and the list goes on.  I am 
>> looking for a watch that monitors my activities in a similar way and 
>> obviously, I’d like to pair it with my iPhone.  I know that the Apple Watch 
>> would be available, but I’ve never heard of people talking about how it 
>> monitors physical activities, like the FitBit products do.  Does anyone know 
>> of a watch that would pair with my iPhone and allow me to access that info 
>> through the Bluetooth interface?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: Accessible fitness watch that works seamlessly with the iPhone?

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Apple Watch is probably your best bet for iOS compatibility and accessibility. 
It runs VoiceOver natively, so you can check your fitness progress, handle 
notifications, change settings, and run apps right on the device. It also syncs 
to iOS, letting you use the Activity app on your phone to look at workout 
history. Data goes into HealthKit, and is therefore backed up and synced as 
part of iCloud, letting you track your heart rate, distance walked, and other 
metrics over time.

Each fitness device has trade-offs. Some people think the GPS in Apple /Watch 
is less accurate for outdoor runs or swims, for instance. Some other devices 
have very poor heart rate tracking. For me, anything Apple Watch lacks that 
another device might do a little better is made up for when you consider how 
inaccessible that other device would be.

If all you want is a band, with no screen, that pushes motion/heart data to 
your phone, that's another story. I've not looked into them, but there may well 
be some that interface with HealthKit through whichever app they rely on. The 
key thing to look for is that--HealthKit--as you search the Misfits, Fitbits, 
and other options. If something just says it has iOS support, that may mean 
only that it has an app, not that it pushes to and reads from HealthKit.

A screenless, basic band has its advantages. The battery will last longer, 
there's no glass screen to break, it might be smaller and lighter. Of course, 
its downsides are that it can't let you run apps or handle notifications 
(something I love about my Apple Watch), it usually has no audio indicators for 
things like battery level, and it may be harder to replace the band, especially 
for off-brand devices.

Just my ramblings on the topic. Good luck with your search. There are a bunch 
of Apple Watch users on this list, so feel free to ask if you have any 
questions about what the Watch can and can't do.

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> On Jul 29, 2018, at 07:42, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My wife, who is sighted, are really into tandem cycling, and I do a lot of 
> hiking as well.
> 
> My wife has a FitBit watch that keeps track of all manner of things such as 
> heart rate, distance biked, calories burned, and the list goes on.  I am 
> looking for a watch that monitors my activities in a similar way and 
> obviously, I’d like to pair it with my iPhone.  I know that the Apple Watch 
> would be available, but I’ve never heard of people talking about how it 
> monitors physical activities, like the FitBit products do.  Does anyone know 
> of a watch that would pair with my iPhone and allow me to access that info 
> through the Bluetooth interface?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Mike
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Re: macbook with touchbar vs macbook pro with touchbar

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The Pro and Retina MacBook are two very different machines. The Retina MacBook 
has similar ram and storage, but its processor is a mobile one meant for lower 
power and less heat output/power consumption. In other words, that machine will 
run a lot slower, especially for more intense tasks like streaming videos. 
Basically, if you need the power of a Pro, you’ll likely hate the Retina 
MacBook, at least at times. If you will always be happy with the Retina 
MacBook, the Pro is probably overkill and the Retina MacBook, MacBook Air, or 
the less powerful Pro sans Touch Bar will work for you and save you some money.

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 14:33, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn’t realize the 12inch Macbook didn’t have a touch bar.
> I’m trying to decide between the new 13inch MBP that just came out, or the 12 
> inch Macbook.
> the non-touch bar mac has old components.
> I’m not planning on running Windows.
>  
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli>
>  
> From: 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 12:28 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: macbook with touchbar vs macbook pro with touchbar
>  
> Only the Pro has the Touch Bar as of right now. There are 13- and 15-inch 
> variants of the Pro, though, and a somewhat less powerful Pro with no Touch 
> Bar and two less USB ports.
>  
> As to the Touch Bar itself, it’s usable. A few things can be nice, like an 
> actual volume slider instead of the volume moving in set increments when 
> using key commands. I also like having my tabs in Safari and, for the rare 
> times I use it, the emoji picker. Overall, though, I use so many keyboard 
> commands that having the same items available on the Touch Bar doesn’t 
> improve my experience. I don’t dislike the Bar, but neither do I like it 
> enough to consider it an important feature were I searching for a new Mac. 
> Also, if you run Windows, you’re going to have a harder time of things with 
> the Touch Bar.
>  
> All that said, if you’re after a Pro, you will almost certainly end up with 
> the Touch Bar. The Retina MacBook, MacBook Air, and low-end 13-inch MacBook 
> Pro lack the Bar, but all the other Pros have it. It’s possible that Apple 
> will update things this year, but they just refreshed the hardware in the 
> Pros, so I kind of doubt it. Still, if you can hold on a few more months, it 
> might not hurt to see what they have in store in September or October.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 13:11, Sarai Bucciarelli > <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi all:
>>  
>> My 2010 MBP is getting long in the tooth, so It is time for a Mac hunt.
>> So, all you MBP touch bar, and Macbook touch bar users, why do you like the 
>> devices you chose? Any real advantage with touchbar and VO?
>> To the regular MB users, how is the speed with such a mobile processor, and 
>> how are the speakers?
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Re: macbook with touchbar vs macbook pro with touchbar

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Only the Pro has the Touch Bar as of right now. There are 13- and 15-inch 
variants of the Pro, though, and a somewhat less powerful Pro with no Touch Bar 
and two less USB ports.

As to the Touch Bar itself, it’s usable. A few things can be nice, like an 
actual volume slider instead of the volume moving in set increments when using 
key commands. I also like having my tabs in Safari and, for the rare times I 
use it, the emoji picker. Overall, though, I use so many keyboard commands that 
having the same items available on the Touch Bar doesn’t improve my experience. 
I don’t dislike the Bar, but neither do I like it enough to consider it an 
important feature were I searching for a new Mac. Also, if you run Windows, 
you’re going to have a harder time of things with the Touch Bar.

All that said, if you’re after a Pro, you will almost certainly end up with the 
Touch Bar. The Retina MacBook, MacBook Air, and low-end 13-inch MacBook Pro 
lack the Bar, but all the other Pros have it. It’s possible that Apple will 
update things this year, but they just refreshed the hardware in the Pros, so I 
kind of doubt it. Still, if you can hold on a few more months, it might not 
hurt to see what they have in store in September or October.

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> Hi all:
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> My 2010 MBP is getting long in the tooth, so It is time for a Mac hunt.
> So, all you MBP touch bar, and Macbook touch bar users, why do you like the 
> devices you chose? Any real advantage with touchbar and VO?
> To the regular MB users, how is the speed with such a mobile processor, and 
> how are the speakers?
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Re: Where to get the book on using Pages with VoiceOver?

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Thanks for the help. I’ve passed this along.

> On Jul 8, 2018, at 11:31, Janet Ingber  wrote:
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> Hi Alex,
> 
> The book is called “My Mac Pages,” by Anne and Archie Robertson.  It’s 
> published by Mosen Consulting.  Go to 
> 
>> https://mosen.org/mymacpages/
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Janet
>> On Jul 8, 2018, at 8:56 AM, 'Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Someone on Twitter is asking me about using Pages with VO. This isn't 
>> something I do often, so I'm not the best to ask. Someone on this list has a 
>> book on this topic, though. Where can that book be obtained? I want to give 
>> this person the link. Thanks.
>> 
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Re: audio hijack templates?

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Hank,
Have you changed the application? I’ve not tried this myself, but you should be 
able to open a VOIP recording template, then modify it. Find the block that 
records Skype, or whatever app is default, and change it to FaceTime. I don’t 
know if the application block is one you vo-space on or interact with, as both 
exist, but one command or the other should work to let you choose which 
application is selected.

You said you read my guide on Applevis, which is a good start. I encourage you 
to keep playing with it, as that’s the only way the whole thing will make 
sense. Remember that this setup is unlike anything you’ve seen in any app, with 
the grid layout dictating how things work. Remember, too, to have VoiceOver 
speak hints, as a hint on each block in your grid tells you that block’s 
connections.

> On Jul 9, 2018, at 09:18, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes, i agree that the latest Audio Hijack is a bit problematic.
> I haven’t got the hang of the blocks library yet.
> I thought that i just should check the right template and start recording but 
> it was not so easy.
> Alex Hall is the best bet right now i think.
> BUt i will do some fiddling around today later.
> /A
> 
>> 7 juli 2018 kl. 23:38 skrev The wolf :
>> 
>> Hello there is but not one for facetime audio recording witch is what i am 
>> after
>> 
>> if you do create a template with the proper settings you can export the 
>> template from audio hijack and u could email it to me and then I can import 
>> that in to audiohijack and be good to go.
>> 
>> I am having one hell of a time with getting the concept of the hole 
>> configuring via blocks
>> 
>> I read the instructions on apple vis
>> 
>> and am still having trouble getting it.
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/7/2018 2:32 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Isn’t there one installed with Audio Hijack?
>>> I think i saw this while i delt with it.
>>> Not sure though if i can copy it and send it to you.
>>> If i can i can try to send it to you.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 7 juli 2018 kl. 22:21 skrev The wolf :
>>>> 
>>>> Hello has any one got a audio hijack template for recording facetime calls?
>>>> 
>>>> I saw a few of them on the apple vis instructions but am wanting to know 
>>>> if any one has a template for recording face time calls.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Hank
>>>> 
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Where to get the book on using Pages with VoiceOver?

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Hello all,
Someone on Twitter is asking me about using Pages with VO. This isn't something 
I do often, so I'm not the best to ask. Someone on this list has a book on this 
topic, though. Where can that book be obtained? I want to give this person the 
link. Thanks.

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Re: Force mail account to sometimes use different SMTP?

[Alex Hall]

The list goes to my Gmail account, but Gmail has been set up to forward all 
messages to iCloud for years. I always respond with iCloud, so people will use 
that address instead. In the case of this list, though, I have to respond with 
Gmail. Yet, I still receive the messages through iCloud, and don’t have Gmail 
configured on my Mac at all so I don’t receive duplicate messages. I want to 
send from Gmail in only the case of messages going to this list. Should I set 
up something differently? Could I set up Gmail, but set it to never receive 
email while still being allowed to send?

> On Jun 23, 2018, at 10:51 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> hi,
> 
> I would assume that you then have two different accounts in Mail so that one 
> version of you is used for most messages, and the other is for this specific 
> list.  So, when addressing the mail message, keep tabbing through the fields 
> after filling out the To and Subject etc, right after the Subject field 
> should be a pop-up where you can choose which account to send from.  This 
> will re-assign the outgoing configuration to the specific account you wish to 
> send from.  If it is a reply, it's usually two shift-tabs from the message 
> area to reach this item.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 23, 2018, at 08:25, Alex Hall  <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> On the Mac, how do I force a mail account that usually uses one SMTP server 
> to sometimes use a different one? I’ve configured the second server already, 
> but I don’t know how to choose which server I use. I normally want to send 
> with the default, but when sending to a certain email list, I have to send as 
> the other SMTP. Long story, but no, I can’t change the address registered 
> with the list. Thanks for any help.
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Force mail account to sometimes use different SMTP?

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Hi all,
On the Mac, how do I force a mail account that usually uses one SMTP server to 
sometimes use a different one? I’ve configured the second server already, but I 
don’t know how to choose which server I use. I normally want to send with the 
default, but when sending to a certain email list, I have to send as the other 
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Re: I'm making something weird happen in mail

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Yes, macOS introduced swipe gestures a year or two ago. In fact, that was my 
first thought when I read your email, and it remains my best guess. I can’t 
find a way to turn this off, though one may well exist. My suggestion is to 
tell the mouse to stop following your VO cursor, so it won’t point to your 
current email all the time. That should help.

> On Jun 21, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I don't know.  I just tried swiping right, though, and it didn't do anything.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 21, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder, doesn’t swipe right for sighted users delete mail on IOS? Did 
>> Apple create an equivalent gesture on Macintosh? Other possibility is Drag 
>> and Drop. I really don’t know how this is done with a trackpad, but sighted 
>> folks often just drag to the trash to remove items.
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No.  I just performed the gesture you described, and VO said trackpad 
>>> commander is already off.
>>> Donna
 On Jun 21, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Is Trackpad commander on?  Hold down your VO keys then twist two fingers 
 counter-clockwise on the Trackpad like you're turning down a volume knob.  
 If VO announces Trackpad commander off, then it was on, if it announces 
 Trackpad commander is already off, then that wasn't the issue.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
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 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 21, 2018, at 07:58, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Several times of late I have made messages delete in mail, and I have no 
 idea what I did to cause it.  I'm reading a message, and all of a sudden I 
 hear this fwt noise, and the message is deleted.  It seems like I must 
 somehow be pressing something on the trackpad to make this happen, but I 
 have no idea what it is.  Does anyone know what I could be doing that 
 would cause this?  It's kind of cool, but I would like to only do it when 
 I actually want to delete a message. 
 TIA,
 Donna
 P.S.  Running Sierra, do not have trackpad commander enabled.
 
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Re: I want a mac!

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I'd definitely wait. My mother is looking to replace her 2012 Pro, and that's 
my advice to her as well.

The 2016 and 2017 Pros have the new butterfly key mechanism in their keyboards, 
and it's very prone to damage from debris which other keyboards would just 
shrug off. I'm hoping that is addressed in the 2018 refresh. Besides that, 
we're just a few months from when Apple will probably announce the new Macs, so 
it would be better to wait and see. If they release something this fall, great. 
If not, it will probably not happen until next spring, and you can decide then 
if you want to wait all that time or not.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Aarg!
> Finally have the pennies saved to replace my 2010 macbook pro, and we get 
> nothing at WWDC! 
> So disapppointing.
> Trying to decide if I should buy or wait.
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Alex Hall]

Does this happen on other user accounts? Have you tried resetting your VO 
preferences? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 05:34, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
>> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it 
>> kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac 
>> has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
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>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
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>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>> significant. 
>>> Christine
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Re: An alternative To Looktil Recognizer?

[Alex Hall]

Your best bet is Seeing AI from Microsoft. It's free, but I don't know that it 
will be available in your region yet. If it is, download it and give it a try. 
It can't be trained like Recognizer could, but you might get good results all 
the same.

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> On Jun 9, 2018, at 18:58, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> I spent about 10 month of sadness after losing the Loktil recognizer,
> 1st of all i put all the Egyptian Currency on it, and it could see them 
> better than any other app i have tried so far.
> also, i was using it in my Master cards etc.
> so, am asking, are there any news if we will be able to use the app again?
> or is there an alternative?
> 
> Concerning A good Money reader app, even if it does not contain the egyptian 
> pounds but it’s accuracy is ok, can anyone recommend something?
> I tried a free app called money reader, it’s not the best but it was working 
> with the American Dolers, but i tried many times to send them emails to 
> include the egyptian pound but with no luck.
> 
> Any help will be highly Appreciated.
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Re: Adding extra protection to Iphone below 8 while sleeping

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You can disable touch ID authentication by either using an unrecognized finger 
three times, or pressing your power button five times quickly. The latter will 
bring up a screen to call the emergency services, but you don't have to make 
that call, as it won't happen automatically. Either way, Touch ID will fail 
until you manually type your passcode, after which it will work again until the 
next time you disable it.

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> Hi all:
> 
> I’m using my IPhone 6, and of cores am using the finger print, now,
> I need something more advanced after the finger print while sleeping. because 
> may be someone can take my finger and use it while i’m sleeping.
> am not joking, but i go for some trips alone and i need to protect my mobile 
> data while sleeping.
> is there away to add a step after the touch  ID that can protect my mobile 
> more?
> 
> thanks in advance 
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Re: good SSH client app for iOS?

[Alex Hall]

I've heard another recommendation for Prompt as well. I'll look into that one. 
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> On Jun 9, 2018, at 02:19, Mark Muscat  wrote:
> 
> Hello I found Prompt2 to be reasonably good. You probably will find it very 
> interesting to write scripts etc with it. However for reviewing output it has 
> been quite useful. 
> 
> Regards.
> Mark.
> 
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 9 Jun 2018, at 3:52 pm, Simon Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi alex.not sure about good but try iterminal. I’ve had mixed results. More 
>> bad that good. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 9/06/2018, at 2:06 PM, Alex Hall > <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Does anyone know of a good SSH client for iOS? I often have to pop into a 
>>> Raspberry Pi, work server, or even work Windows box to do something. It's 
>>> annoying to require a full computer just to run a textual IO system, when 
>>> my phone is always on me, more than capable of handling text, and more 
>>> convenient overall.
>>> 
>>> What worries me about such and app is the feedback, and reviewing output. I 
>>> don't expect to be using VIM with this app, though that would be cool, but 
>>> if I run a command that gives more than a sentence or two of output, I 
>>> might have to review what was sent to me. This app has to be able to do 
>>> that accessibly, not just send my commands.
>>> 
>>> If anyone knows of such an app, I'd love to hear about it. I don't care if 
>>> it costs a few dollars, though free to try would be good if possible. 
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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good SSH client app for iOS?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
Does anyone know of a good SSH client for iOS? I often have to pop into a 
Raspberry Pi, work server, or even work Windows box to do something. It's 
annoying to require a full computer just to run a textual IO system, when my 
phone is always on me, more than capable of handling text, and more convenient 
overall.

What worries me about such and app is the feedback, and reviewing output. I 
don't expect to be using VIM with this app, though that would be cool, but if I 
run a command that gives more than a sentence or two of output, I might have to 
review what was sent to me. This app has to be able to do that accessibly, not 
just send my commands.

If anyone knows of such an app, I'd love to hear about it. I don't care if it 
costs a few dollars, though free to try would be good if possible. Thanks in 
advance for any suggestions.

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Re: Specific webpage settings in Safari.

[Alex Hall]

Here's the way I know:

* in Safari, press cmd-comma to open preferences
* choose "websites" from the toolbar
* interact with the scroll area and move to "auto play", then stop interacting 
and vo-right to the websites table
* find the website you want (the current website open in Safari should already 
be selected) and change the settings
* cmd-w to close the preferences window and you're done

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> On Jun 7, 2018, at 06:45, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> THe local swedish Radio broadcasting company here is using some kind of 
> webplayer that does need some changing in safari.
> Safari is acting like its an automated sound trying to play which from Safari 
> 11 and higher is blocked by default.
> However in order to make this work i am told to right click on the address 
> bar and change a setting there but when i do this with Voiceover i can not 
> find any setting related to audio or Video.
> Its not a big deal though as i use chrome or their ios app to listen but i am 
> very curious on what they mean and how a sighted person can get to this 
> setting but not me.
> I have dragged the mouse to the voiceover cursor and then the voiceover 
> cursor to the mouse so they are at the addressbar.
> No go when rightclicking.
> I don’t know if i can right click with the trackpad?
> I guess its just to press at the very right side of the trackpad?
> Any ideas?
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: WWDC?

[Alex Hall]

There are also a lot of recaps and summaries around the web. I wrote one for 
AppleVis, but mine is far from the only one. Here's the link:
https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-apple-watch-ios-macos-news/recap-wwdc-2018

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> On Jun 5, 2018, at 18:12, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info, Shawn.  I want to watch the actual event, but it'll 
> probably be a couple of weeks before I have time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 5, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well this year's WWDC blew me away. I think Voice Memos on the Mac will be 
>> handy for those that can't afford expensive recording software. And group 
>> FaceTime? I can see Apple giving Skype a run for its money in the 
>> foreseeable future. All they would have to do is port it to other platforms. 
>> Also, it looks like my prediction came true. iOS apps will be able to run on 
>> Mac next year. I was disappointed that Siri was only getting a small upgrade 
>> with the shortcuts feature, but all in all, I was very impressed.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My New MacBook Air
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Simon Fogarty >> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>  
>>> Really its up to the individual.
>>>  
>>> For me, not really,
>>>  
>>> But guess it might change when updates come out in third quarter
>>>  
>>> Most of what I heard about isn’t really stuff we will benefit from down 
>>> under,
>>> You in the USA will,
>>> Especially TV OS 
>>> You can still watch the recorded keynote on line or through you’re a TV
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2018 12:33 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: WWDC?
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> I wasn't able to catch the WWDC keynote.  Did they announce anything 
>>> interesting?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jun 3, 2018, at 2:29 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi all. I'd like to share with you an article I wrote earlier this evening 
>>> for my radio show called Accessibility Matters. For those of you that don't 
>>> know what it is, Accessibility Matters is a radio show I created that talks 
>>> about Accessibility and its issues in the community. But sometimes on the 
>>> show we talk about fun things like assistive technology and accessible 
>>> apps. The show can be heard Thursdays at 11:00 AM central on 95.9 CKUW's 
>>> website ckuw.ca <http://ckuw.ca/>. Alternatively I host a Whatsapp group 
>>> for the show and every week I post episodes there. If you want to join it, 
>>> email me privately and I'll send you the invite link. This article can be 
>>> read as well on our Facebook page at facebook.com/accessibilitymattersradio 
>>> <http://facebook.com/accessibilitymattersradio>. I welcome any comments you 
>>> may have. So without further ado, here is the article.
>>>  
>>> WWDC 2018: Hopes and Predictions
>>>  
>>> It's the biggest 4 letters of the year. WWDC starts Monday and we at 
>>> Accessibility Matters are excited for the big day. Well, I don't know about 
>>> Melissa, but I sure as heck am. Here are some predictions we, I mean I am 
>>> looking forward to seeing.
>>>  
>>> Hopes
>>>  
>>> 1. Implementation Of The Siri Voices System Wide On macOS
>>>  
>>> Since iOS 9, Apple has made it possible to use the Siri voices for 
>>> Voiceover and other system wide features that use speech. In 2016, Apple 
>>> introduced macOS Sierra which brought the virtual assistant into the 
>>> Macintosh environment. However, access to the voices system wide wasn't 
>>> possible which is the case today. We on the Mac don't get the voices that 
>>> PC users do such as Neospeech, Ivona, or the now debunked Innoetics. For 
>>> 3rd party TTS providers, we only get Nuance, Acapela, Cereproc or Cepstral 
>>> which I don't recommend anyone try unless they want

Re: Voiceover Problem

[Alex Hall]

Do you mean your speech audio dips, then fades back up to normal? If so, I've 
seen that for a couple years, on different devices. I don't think it's your 
drive, which is the good news. The bad news is I've never found a fix and can't 
pin down how to make it happen to pass along to Apple.

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> On Jun 3, 2018, at 12:25, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   MBP mid 2012 with High Sierra. I upgraded both memory and internal drive 
> with Crucial components.
> 
>   I don't know when the problem appeared, perhaps when I was running Sierra. 
> Quite often when I execute a VO command, VO speech will dwindle almost to 
> nothing briefly. There is no pattern to it except it happens when I press a 
> VO command.
> 
>   I had replaced the spinning drive with an MX300 SSD. I cloned Sierra to the 
> spinning drive when High Sierra was released. The spinning drive is in a USB 
> enclosure. So I have been doing some testing using that spinning drive 
> keeping in mind the USB connection is slower. VO speech never bogs down.
> 
>   At the moment, I think it might be the MX300 drive but I do not know what 
> else it could be. Anyone using the MX300 SSD?
> 
>   I ran the Crucial scan yesterday and it now shows an MX500 for an upgrade. 
> Before I go there I would like to get feedback on what else to check on my 
> system.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
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Re: Recovering HomeKit setup codes?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks for the ideas. I found that app soon after I discovered what I'd done, 
and I purchased it. It looks great for tracking and backing up codes, but it 
can do nothing to recover them if they weren't entered originally. That's too 
bad. Still, I do plan to put all my codes in moving forward.

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> On Jun 2, 2018, at 11:24, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> I actually stumbled on called HomePass which let you store. You can either 
> scan them, or type them. 
> 
> Daniel Miller
> miller...@icloud.com <mailto:miller...@icloud.com>
> 910-322-1936
> 
> On Jun 2, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Daniel McGee  <mailto:danielmcgee...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex 
>> 
>> I don't use any smart home light bulbs. Do you use a password manager at 
>> all? 
>> 
>> I know it's kind of risky to do it this way but the way I see it, is that 
>> it's a place where one can store all there codes, login's etc. 
>> 
>> As an example, last year, I got the new iPhone 8 having upgraded from a 5. 
>> During the process, I forgot my local library card info. So I had to give 
>> them a call and obtain this information again to log into the app they use 
>> for audiobooks. 
>>  
>>  It was no problem ringing them up and getting this info again, however had 
>> it of been in my password manager of choice, I wouldn't had to ring up and 
>> could of just used my password manager to login to the respected app again. 
>>  
>>  You don't have to do this of course. It was just an idea  / suggestion to 
>> consider.
>> 
>> 
>> Daniel 
>> 
>> On 2 Jun 2018, at 15:02, Alex Hall > <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Never mind. It turns out the setup code is also printed on the base of the 
>>> bulb itself, so I was able to manually type it in and get things back to 
>>> normal. That's a huge relief! Each bulb is around $20, which is good for 
>>> smart bulbs but would still be annoying to lose just because I got rid of 
>>> some paper.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 2, 2018, at 07:41, Alex Hall >>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello list,
>>>> I have been having trouble with a Sylvania smart bulb recently, and their 
>>>> support is useless. I therefore decided to just reset the bulb and start 
>>>> over. After I'd done that, I realized that I had long ago thrown out the 
>>>> box... and the card with the setup code on it. I'm used to my smart 
>>>> outlets, sensors, and other devices having their codes right on them, so 
>>>> it never occurred to me to save the codes for my bulbs.
>>>> 
>>>> I feel pretty dumb now, and I'm hoping there's a way to make this at least 
>>>> a little better. I haven't removed the bulb from my Home app yet, so is 
>>>> there a way I can recover the setup code? At some point, iOS knew it, 
>>>> after all. I haven't found a way, but maybe someone knows something I 
>>>> missed? Thanks for any help.
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Recovering HomeKit setup codes?

[Alex Hall]

Never mind. It turns out the setup code is also printed on the base of the bulb 
itself, so I was able to manually type it in and get things back to normal. 
That's a huge relief! Each bulb is around $20, which is good for smart bulbs 
but would still be annoying to lose just because I got rid of some paper.

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> On Jun 2, 2018, at 07:41, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> I have been having trouble with a Sylvania smart bulb recently, and their 
> support is useless. I therefore decided to just reset the bulb and start 
> over. After I'd done that, I realized that I had long ago thrown out the 
> box... and the card with the setup code on it. I'm used to my smart outlets, 
> sensors, and other devices having their codes right on them, so it never 
> occurred to me to save the codes for my bulbs.
> 
> I feel pretty dumb now, and I'm hoping there's a way to make this at least a 
> little better. I haven't removed the bulb from my Home app yet, so is there a 
> way I can recover the setup code? At some point, iOS knew it, after all. I 
> haven't found a way, but maybe someone knows something I missed? Thanks for 
> any help.
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> 
> 
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Recovering HomeKit setup codes?

[Alex Hall]

Hello list,
I have been having trouble with a Sylvania smart bulb recently, and their 
support is useless. I therefore decided to just reset the bulb and start over. 
After I'd done that, I realized that I had long ago thrown out the box... and 
the card with the setup code on it. I'm used to my smart outlets, sensors, and 
other devices having their codes right on them, so it never occurred to me to 
save the codes for my bulbs.

I feel pretty dumb now, and I'm hoping there's a way to make this at least a 
little better. I haven't removed the bulb from my Home app yet, so is there a 
way I can recover the setup code? At some point, iOS knew it, after all. I 
haven't found a way, but maybe someone knows something I missed? Thanks for any 
help.

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Re: broken down arrow key on my 2017 MBP

[Alex Hall]

Have you taken some canned air to it? The 2016-2017 Pro keyboards have become 
well-known for susceptibility to dust and debris causing major problems for 
keys. An official repair is ideal, but is also very expensive outside of 
warranty. If you can fix the problem with canned air or some other method, 
that's the best way to go. Of course, you can always use external keyboards, 
but that's hardly a good solution for what is supposed to be a portable 
computer.

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> On May 31, 2018, at 06:44, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> You’ll probably have to get it to the Apple Store for a fix. In the mean 
> time, pressing Control+N, from Emacs next-line, will do the same, at least in 
> text areas.
> 
>> On May 31, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The down arrow key on my MBP has for all intents and purposes stopped 
>> working.  It doesn't press down any more.  With some fussing about I can get 
>> it to work one time out of about 7.  Has anyone else seen this?  What did 
>> the fix involve?  Was it costly?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Going Insane Looking for USB Devices on My MacBook Air

[Alex Hall]

I haven't followed this closely, so this may be a repeat. When you press 
cmd-shift-c, what do you get? This should show you all the external and 
internal drives on the Mac, as well as any networked drives available.

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> On May 28, 2018, at 12:29, Christine Grassman  wrote:
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> 
> 
>> I cannot even find the Devices heading. I have been in and out of the 
>> Sidebar, I have rebooted, I have done an SMC restore; I have checked Desk 
>> Utility . . . I don’t know what is going on. The most important thing I need 
>> to do is transfer files from my MacBook to my Actilino braille display, so 
>> if anyone uses these two devices together, please weigh in. I’ve never had 
>> trouble with this before, other than a cable glitch.
> 
>> On May 28, 2018, at 10:55 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  You are not seeing any devices connected to the USB port in the sidebar 
>> under the Devices heading? Have you done a reboot since this started? I've 
>> not seen this behavior with any mscOS update.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 5/28/2018 2:28 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
 Yes. I can get to my Computer, but it is not showing. Nor is it showing in 
 system report, hardware, USB. However, in one particular example, when I 
 connect my Braille display, it makes a low chirp, indicating there is some 
 sort of communication going on. But it is nowhere to be found.
>>> Christine
 On May 27, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Under finder, can you not find the Go menu and the computer option under 
 that menu?
 
 Or just the short cuts from the finder window: shift command + c
 
 Simon Fogarty
 Dunedin, NZ
 
 Em: si...@fogarty.net.
 
> On 28/05/2018, at 11:51 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
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> I don’t know what is going on, all, but some time in the past couple of 
> months since I last used a USB device, something has conspired to make me 
> completely unable to locate them in order to transfer anything. I have 
> looked everywhere: in USB in System Monitor, in Computer, I sought the 
> Devices sidebar, (which, too, seems to have disappeared, along with All 
> My Files). Everything else seems in order: Documents, Downloads, Library, 
> etc., but nothing I do is locating any connections or devices. Any help 
> would be sincerely appreciated. Did something happen in a recent update 
> and I am merely woefully uninformed as to whatever changes were made that 
> require me to conduct my actions differently in order to do a simple 
> transfer or saving of files? TIA.
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Re: Esoteric VoiceOver Question

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Exactly what ET said. Go to the Visuals category in the table, then find the 
tabs. You probably want to disable the Caption Panel in the Panels tab, but may 
have to turn off the VoiceOver cursor from the Cursor tab as well.

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> On May 26, 2018, at 18:57, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
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>   Look in the Visuals pane of VO Utility.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/26/2018 3:47 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
>> Is it possible, and if so, how, to turn off/eliminate the on-screen box 
>> containing what VoiceOver says so that a non-VoiceOver user can access what 
>> the box covers up? I'm having a problem a sighted person is helping me deal 
>> with, but the thing they must click on is hidden behind this box, and 
>> frankly, the whole thing of VoiceOver transcribing what it's saying is not 
>> necessary, so I want to turn it off, but after looking through all the 
>> settings in the VO Utility, I can find nothing obvious to choose to do this.
>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Saving attachments with your iPhone

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There may well be a better way, but here's what comes to mind. Double tap the 
attachment to open it. Once it opens, find the "share" button, double tap it, 
and choose an option. The nice thing is that you can save to iCloud, but you 
can also export to an OCR app, save a PDF to Voice Dream, and so on.

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> On May 23, 2018, at 17:51, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hello.
> 
> I forgot to ask one question so I am going to ask it now. I think that you 
> could save attachments using your iPhone, but I can’t remember how to do 
> this. Please can somebody tell me how I can save attachments using my iPhone 
> as I don’t have a computer at the moment. It would be very useful if I could 
> save attachments on my iCloud drive if I had to.
> 
> Many thanks
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Re: A question about a My Passport drive and the mac

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If the connector is about the size of a Lightning connector, it may be USB-C. 
If it's wider, with a bump in the middle on the top or bottom surface of the 
connector, it may be E-SATA. More helpfully, though, the box should say what 
the interface is, or it may be marked on the drive itself. Is anything written 
on or near any of the ports on the actual drive?

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> On May 20, 2018, at 14:51, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My friend recently purchased two my passport drives from a Target store. They 
> actually say, “My Passport Portable Storage for Mac”. She cannot seem to 
> connect them to any USB port on her MacBook Pro. They do not have a typical 
> USB end. It is little and thin. Does anyone know where it is supposed to 
> connect, or if there is a way to make this work? Is there an adapter? What 
> makes it for the Mac if it can’t connect? Is there a place on the Mac that is 
> not USB that is used?
> 
> Thanks for any information? I hereby pronounce myself ignorant!
> 
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> drive the car to store. It's typically says my passport format.
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Re: Creating? Mail? Keyboard Shortcuts?

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A trick I use for this eliminates the need for me to type the menu item at all. 
Go to the menu and navigate to the item for which you want to make a shortcut. 
As soon as Vo speaks the item, press vo-shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase 
to your clipboard. This will place the text of the item on your clipboard. When 
you make your shortcut, simply cmd-v to paste that text into the place where 
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> Hi One,
> I am trying to create a “keyboard shortcut” for “Save attachments…” in 
> “Mail”but I cannot get it to work, Can anyone help, Please? I think it must 
> be something to do with the “…” ellipsis.
> Thanks. and Cheers.
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Re: Apple Watch series 2 and Airpods

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I have no idea how to get this to work automatically, but you can do it 
manuaally. The AirPods are known by your Watch through iCloud, but to use them, 
you have to select them. Open your control center with a two-finger swipe up on 
any watch face, find the AirPlay button, double tap it, and choose AirPods. To 
stop using them, do the same but choose Apple Watch, or just start using them 
on another device by selecting them on that device.

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> On May 11, 2018, at 07:03, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have an Apple watch series two and in the manual they claim that you should 
> be able to use them with an apple watch when you don’t use it with the 
> iPhone, however, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
> When i stop using the iPhone and try to use the watch, no sound comes from 
> the Airpods.
> Is theresomething i could do to have this work or is it a bug somewhere?
> Apple said in the manual that if the watch and the phone are connected to the 
> same apple id which they are, then pairing should happen seamlessly, if not, 
> what do i do?
> /Krister
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Re: Few questions regarding my Mac laptop

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I can't help with your second question, but I can try to help with the first, 
about your drives. 

Any drive is set up using what's called a file system. There are several 
popular ones out there, some cross-platform and some specific to macOS or 
Windows. FAT32 or FAT are the usual general-purpose ones used for thumb drives 
or SD cards. For larger capacities and external hard or solid state drives, 
NTFS is used with Windows and either APFS or OS X Extended is used for the Mac.

Here's the point of all that. The Mac can see and read NTFS drives meant for 
Windows, and Windows can read OS X Extended drives meant for the Mac. I don't 
know if Windows can read APFS drives. Importantly, neither system can write to, 
or change in any way, a drive meant for the other platform. You can't, for 
instance, put a file onto an NTFS drive using a Mac, but you can copy off of 
that drive and onto another drive your Mac can fully use. Same for Windows with 
Mac drives.

That's a very, very long way of saying: your Mac should read your Windows 
drives just fine, and let you copy off them. You just can't write anything to 
them from the Mac.

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> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I have had my Mac laptop for a while now. It is something I really want 
> to learn how to use. But I seem to be struggling with it.
> 
> 
> First of all, can I connect my 2 external hard drives to the mac?
> 
> They are currently connected to my windows laptop, and so I wasn't sure 
> if they could be connected to the Mac.
> 
> 
> Also, a while back, I asked about Zoom Text for the Mac, and possibly 
> using the Mac's magnification. My boyfriend is visually impaired, and 
> has some useable vision.
> 
> 
> We tried the command that was recommended. But this just seemed to turn 
> on and off the bacllight for the keyboard. So I don't know if we did 
> something wrong. Or if this Mac I have is different, or works differently.
> 
> It's running Yosemitte.
> 
> 
> Any thoughts are much appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: auto fill with passwords apparently not working

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Try cmd-shift-a to force it. El Cap isn't High Sierra, but Apple often brings 
Safari features to older macOS versions. I'm wondering if they took the new 
restriction on auto-fill and put it in Safari so all supported macOS releases 
would get it.

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> Okay,
> 
> I’m using Elcapitan.  For some weird reason, when ever I go to a web site 
> that requires a user name and password, it is not filled in as it normally 
> should be and used to be.  I double checked and auto fill is active on the 
> passwords tab.  Does this no longer work or is there some adjustment I need 
> to make in the privacy section?  It used to work just fine.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
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Re: Does Apple Watch with cellular require a separate data plan?

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On Verizon, it's $10 a month for most plans, as far as I know. The nice thing 
is that Verizon also offers a payment plan, letting you pay off the Watch over 
6 months. They'll often also wave activation, the first month, or some other 
charge. Definitely call them and see what they're offering right now, but I 
think you'll be pretty happy.

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> 
> Thanks, Jeff.  We'll check with Verizon and see what it would cost.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> No.  It is an add-on to your current plan. In Canada I think it is an extra 
>> $5 or $10,/month, So I expect it is approximately that in the states.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My husband is looking at getting an Apple Watch.  I'm assuming the answer 
>>> to the question in the subject line is yes, but thought I would check just 
>>> in case.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Installing Windows programs under Wine?

[Alex Hall]

I got an off-list response that answered the question perfectly. I thought I'd 
share it here in case anyone else has this problem.

I'll paste the link below, but here's the short version. Once you run the 
installer, go to Finder, then press comd-shift-g so you can type in an exact 
folder path. Type this:
~/.wine
No, the tilde character isn't a mistake, it's your Home folder. You could type 
out the full path, but that's longer:
/users/your_username/.wine

Once you're there, find the drive_c folder and open it. Find your installed 
program, which should be in program files or program files (x86). Once you find 
the actual executable, simply cmd-o or cmd-down arrow like any other file, and 
Wine will open it. Obviously, you can make an alias (shortcut) to the file and 
put that somewhere easier to get at if you want to. I'm adding aliases of my 
audio games to the Games folder of my Home folder, for instance.

Here's the link to the full guide, which goes into the entire process of using 
Wine, not just the bit I covered here. You want section 5 if you had the 
question I did about running installed applications.
https://www.davidbaumgold.com/tutorials/wine-mac/

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> On Apr 22, 2018, at 13:44, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I've played a couple games with Wine on macOS, with no problems. These are 
> games whose executables are launched directly, rather than being installed.
> 
> My question is about the other kind. Installers run just fine with Wine, but 
> once they do, they close. After they run, how do I find and play the game 
> that was installed? I've looked in my applications folder, on the off chance 
> that Wine put them there. I've looked in Documents and all through my Home 
> folder, but I can't find them. What's the trick to this? Thanks.
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Re: Question about a very specific type of crash

[Alex Hall]

I'm not sure. I want to say /usr/tmp, but I might be completely wrong. The file 
may no longer be there since you had to restart, but it's worth checking. Does 
anyone else remember where these files get placed?

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> On Apr 22, 2018, at 14:39, Robert Cole <mr.robertc...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Alex,
> After booting my Mac, I had speech on the log on window, but not after 
> logging into my user account.
> Pressing cmd+F5 did nothing.
> I pressed the commands to take a system snapshot as you suggested. Since I 
> had no speech, I had to hole down the power button to shut down.
> after rebooting and logging 
> back in, how do I find the system snapshot, and what is its name?
> Thanks,
> Rob
>  
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's a new one for me. My only suggestion is to try something that worked 
>> for me: if you're using portable preferences with VoiceOver, stop using them 
>> and see if the problem persists. If you're already not using them, all I can 
>> suggest is to grab a system snapshot and email it to Apple Accessibility. To 
>> do this, wait for the problem to happen, then press command, option, 
>> control, shift, and period, all at once. After ten minutes or so, Finder 
>> will open to the results, a large file you can email with Maildrop or via a 
>> cloud service.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 11:21, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:khwi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac Mini from 2016. This has also happened on previous Minis. I 
>>> have never known it to occur on a laptop. I will be listening to music and 
>>> I will quicklook another type of sound file or even sometimes a file that 
>>> uses voiceover. I’m guessing that two sounds hit the in a very specific way 
>>> and I lose not only the voice of voiceover, but all of it’s functionality 
>>> as well. Other apps are still open and functioning, and, for example, if I 
>>> can command+tab to iTunes, I can pause it. However, any VO command results 
>>> in the default sound you get if you are at the top or bottom of a file or.
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to restore VO without rebooting the computer?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
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Installing Windows programs under Wine?

[Alex Hall]

Hello all,
I've played a couple games with Wine on macOS, with no problems. These are 
games whose executables are launched directly, rather than being installed.

My question is about the other kind. Installers run just fine with Wine, but 
once they do, they close. After they run, how do I find and play the game that 
was installed? I've looked in my applications folder, on the off chance that 
Wine put them there. I've looked in Documents and all through my Home folder, 
but I can't find them. What's the trick to this? Thanks.

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Re: Question about making phone calls through FaceTime

[Alex Hall]

FaceTime on Mac, iPad, and other non-phone devices uses your iPhone as the 
actual phone. In other words, the device turns into a fancy bluetooth 
speakerphone. There is another way, called wifi calling, where a non-iPhone 
Apple device can use wifi to make a cellular call directly, not touching the 
iPhone at all. This, though, is a carrier-specific feature that may not be 
available in all areas. In either case, FaceTime is the app you'd use to do any 
of this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 21, 2018, at 02:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I wasn't aware you could use facetime in this way,
> 
> I thought it was a facetime to facetime service only, or have they added a 
> similar service to that of skype?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brian Hansen
> Sent: Saturday, 21 April 2018 5:06 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries 
> Subject: Re: Question about making phone calls through FaceTime
> 
> Once you’ve connected to your bank, hit VO-Shift-Space. This seems to get 
> focus, and then you can enter the numbers like normal.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2018, at 9:38 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
>> 
>> This does not work.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2018, at 10:00 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have not tried this but after you connect, press the mute button and you 
>>> should be able to enter numbers.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
 On 4/20/2018 6:55 PM, Grant Hardy wrote:
 Hi all,
 When making a phone call through my iPhone in FaceTime on my Mac, is there 
 a way to use voicemail, banking and other systems that require numbers to 
 be entered on the keypad?
 It used to be possible to enter numbers on the number row on the keyboard, 
 but it seems that in High Sierra this no longer works.
 Thanks for any assistance.
 Cheers,
 Grant
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Re: Question about a very specific type of crash

[Alex Hall]

It probably does mean that. :) Open the VoiceOver Utility with vo-f8, then make 
sure you're on the General category. VO-right until you land on the section 
about portable preferences. If the button says "stop", you are using them. If 
it says "start" or "set up", you are not.

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> On Apr 19, 2018, at 08:50, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for this. How do I know if I’m using portable preferences? Maybe 
> the fact that I have to ask this question means I am not?
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's a new one for me. My only suggestion is to try something that worked 
>> for me: if you're using portable preferences with VoiceOver, stop using them 
>> and see if the problem persists. If you're already not using them, all I can 
>> suggest is to grab a system snapshot and email it to Apple Accessibility. To 
>> do this, wait for the problem to happen, then press command, option, 
>> control, shift, and period, all at once. After ten minutes or so, Finder 
>> will open to the results, a large file you can email with Maildrop or via a 
>> cloud service.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2018, at 11:21, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:khwi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac Mini from 2016. This has also happened on previous Minis. I 
>>> have never known it to occur on a laptop. I will be listening to music and 
>>> I will quicklook another type of sound file or even sometimes a file that 
>>> uses voiceover. I’m guessing that two sounds hit the in a very specific way 
>>> and I lose not only the voice of voiceover, but all of it’s functionality 
>>> as well. Other apps are still open and functioning, and, for example, if I 
>>> can command+tab to iTunes, I can pause it. However, any VO command results 
>>> in the default sound you get if you are at the top or bottom of a file or.
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to restore VO without rebooting the computer?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
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Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?

[Alex Hall]

On macOS, I just hit cmd-shift-a when the page loads. The nice thing is that I 
don't even have to find a text field. The down side is that it auto-fills the 
first saved username/password in the list, so if I've saved more than one, I 
don't know what would happen. Still, it's faster than finding a field, 
arrowing, and pressing enter.

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> On Apr 16, 2018, at 14:09, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In High Sierra, for non-password fields, the Auto-Fill is working, albeit 
> somewhat differently than in the past.  If you tab to the field, VO will 
> announce "Username" and something about auto-fill available.  You can type 
> the first letter or two of the auto-fill field, then arrow through the 
> options.  Press return when you have the one you desire.  I have yet to 
> determine how to deal with auto-fill passwords from Keychain though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 16, 2018, at 11:53, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com 
> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Actually this auto fill issue is in deed a bug in iOS and Mac OS High Sierra 
> but not a VoiceOVer specific bug as I had a lengthy conversation last week 
> with Apple accessibility as on the Mac the auto fill fields stopped working. 
> They are well aware of it and are working on a fix. On the Mac and I do not 
> know if the iPhone is behaving in the same manner but when you are on your 
> user name you can with QuickNav turned off hit your down arrow and then enter 
> and the fields will be populated. The issue is VoiceOVer of course does not 
> tell you that you are on a user name for this site. I imagine iOS is 
> performing similar behavior. We will just have to keep our fingers crossed 
> that Apple gets this fixed and fixes the VoiceOVer issues with it as well.
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Maria Reyes <mariatal...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:mariatal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Danny, 
>> To enable Touch ID go to settings > touch ID and passcode then follow the 
>> steps. Then go to the website. Make sure you are after the prediction bar or 
>> the keyboard. I think the button is called autofill contact. 
>>  
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 
>> 10
>>  
>> From: Jonathan Cohn <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:28 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?
>>  
>> I did not see any support for auto fill in assistive touch where I was 
>> hoping to find it to help with this issue.
>>  
>> Oh well, I guess there is accessibil...@apple.com 
>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> .
>>  
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Unfortunately this is not a bug but a feature. There were concerns about 
>> auto-fill inputting information without users knowledge. I guess somebody 
>> figured out a way to use autofill functionality with JavaScript to cause 
>> logins or other activities without user knowledge. I did recently read how 
>> even a carefully crafted CSS could be used to steal passwords and usernames, 
>> though I would think that autofill would prevent that type of hack.. In any 
>> case, in addition to allowing webforms on other applications to use Safari 
>> Autofill information, they now require that autofill only works after 
>> tapping a point on the screen. I wonder if they added any autofill to the 
>> low mobility interfaces.
>>  
>>  
>>   Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I'm always beta testing, so I'm used to ignoring small bugs that get fixed 
>> in final builds. Yesterday, though, I updated a client's iPad to iOS 11.3, 
>> and the iPad stopped auto-filling the client's Amazon password. I noticed 
>> this in the betas on my own devices, but thought nothing of it.
>>  
>> We do a lot of work with Amazon and Audible, so this is a pretty big 
>> annoyance. The option to fill in the password is there, but the password no 
>> longer appears automatically as it used to. Now, the client has to find the 
>> option to fill it in above the keyboard, while trying not to touch somewhere 
>> on the page and th

Re: apple watch buy or wait?

[Alex Hall]

If it's free, at least as far as your bank account is concerned, and you use 
the Watch enough, why not go for it? I didn't realize you had a gift card for 
it. If you upgrade now, then want to upgrade again this fall, you can sell the 
Series 3 to offset the cost. You'd essentially get the 3 for free now, then get 
a 4 at a discount thanks to the sale of the 3. That's a good deal any way you 
look at it. You could also hang onto the card until the 4 arrives, but I would 
figure that the extra you'd pay for a 4, if you upgrade at all, is worth it if 
the 3 has better performance and gives you the cellular option you want. Enjoy 
it for the spring and summer, then see what the fall brings. That's what I'd do 
if I were you. I'm only not upgrading because my cost would come from my 
account, but if I had your chance, I'd go for it.

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> On Apr 15, 2018, at 17:45, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I definitely will get the celluliar mottle.
> Just not sure. I can affoard it. Got a gift card from Apple.
>  
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli>
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple watch buy or wait?
>  
> Your call, and there's no easy answer. Personally, I'm waiting. I have a 
> Series 2, which is the same as yours but with GPS and better waterproofing. 
> I'm sitting out the Series 3 and hoping that a new one comes along this fall. 
> If it does and it's worth it, I'll upgrade then, because my 2 works well 
> enough for me. If the 4 comes along and isn't worth it, I'll get a 3 for a 
> cheaper price than I'd pay now. If no 4 materializes, I'll be sad, but my 2 
> will continue to work. If watchOS 5 makes my current unit unusable, which I 
> doubt, I'll look at upgrading even if the next Apple Watch isn't out this 
> fall.
>  
> Of course, you could upgrade now if you have the spare funds. You'll get a 
> better experience in the months left before the fall, and if you want to 
> upgrade to the 4, you'll get a much better resale price for a 3 than a 1. 
> You'll also get a better idea of the improvement you can expect in a new 
> Apple Watch, which can inform your choice of whether, with its power, you 
> should consider a cellular model.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 15, 2018, at 16:40, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Just came in to the funds to get an Apple Watch series 3. I have a series 1. 
>> Should I buy now, or wait till September?
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Re: apple watch buy or wait?

[Alex Hall]

Your call, and there's no easy answer. Personally, I'm waiting. I have a Series 
2, which is the same as yours but with GPS and better waterproofing. I'm 
sitting out the Series 3 and hoping that a new one comes along this fall. If it 
does and it's worth it, I'll upgrade then, because my 2 works well enough for 
me. If the 4 comes along and isn't worth it, I'll get a 3 for a cheaper price 
than I'd pay now. If no 4 materializes, I'll be sad, but my 2 will continue to 
work. If watchOS 5 makes my current unit unusable, which I doubt, I'll look at 
upgrading even if the next Apple Watch isn't out this fall.

Of course, you could upgrade now if you have the spare funds. You'll get a 
better experience in the months left before the fall, and if you want to 
upgrade to the 4, you'll get a much better resale price for a 3 than a 1. 
You'll also get a better idea of the improvement you can expect in a new Apple 
Watch, which can inform your choice of whether, with its power, you should 
consider a cellular model.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 15, 2018, at 16:40, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> 
> Just came in to the funds to get an Apple Watch series 3. I have a series 1. 
> Should I buy now, or wait till September?
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Re: Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks guys. I wish there would be an alert, asking for a fingerprint to allow 
auto-fill. Short of that, is there an easier way to do this? One of the 
responses in this thread mentioned tapping a point on the screen, but how does 
that work for VoiceOver users? My workaround is to use the prediction above the 
keyboard, but if there's an easier way, I'd love to know about it. Thanks.

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> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:32, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately this is not a bug but a feature. There were concerns about 
> auto-fill inputting information without users knowledge. I guess somebody 
> figured out a way to use autofill functionality with JavaScript to cause 
> logins or other activities without user knowledge. I did recently read how 
> even a carefully crafted CSS could be used to steal passwords and usernames, 
> though I would think that autofill would prevent that type of hack.. In any 
> case, in addition to allowing webforms on other applications to use Safari 
> Autofill information, they now require that autofill only works after tapping 
> a point on the screen. I wonder if they added any autofill to the low 
> mobility interfaces.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm always beta testing, so I'm used to ignoring small bugs that get fixed 
>> in final builds. Yesterday, though, I updated a client's iPad to iOS 11.3, 
>> and the iPad stopped auto-filling the client's Amazon password. I noticed 
>> this in the betas on my own devices, but thought nothing of it.
>> 
>> We do a lot of work with Amazon and Audible, so this is a pretty big 
>> annoyance. The option to fill in the password is there, but the password no 
>> longer appears automatically as it used to. Now, the client has to find the 
>> option to fill it in above the keyboard, while trying not to touch somewhere 
>> on the page and thus dismiss the keyboard. Is there any way to get things 
>> back to how they were? Thanks for any ideas.
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Did iOS 11.3 kill auto-fill?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'm always beta testing, so I'm used to ignoring small bugs that get fixed in 
final builds. Yesterday, though, I updated a client's iPad to iOS 11.3, and the 
iPad stopped auto-filling the client's Amazon password. I noticed this in the 
betas on my own devices, but thought nothing of it.

We do a lot of work with Amazon and Audible, so this is a pretty big annoyance. 
The option to fill in the password is there, but the password no longer appears 
automatically as it used to. Now, the client has to find the option to fill it 
in above the keyboard, while trying not to touch somewhere on the page and thus 
dismiss the keyboard. Is there any way to get things back to how they were? 
Thanks for any ideas.

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Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps

[Alex Hall]

Let me try to explain some key concepts.

* If you make an iOS app, you're automatically making one for iPhone, iPad, and 
iPod Touch. You'll use screen size to determine your layout, and other methods 
to figure out if the device your app is on supports things like vibration. Some 
people use one app for both iPhone and iPad, others make two apps, but the code 
behind any iOS project will run equally well on either one. Look into size 
classes for more on the modern way of doing interface tweaks to fid the screen 
size. This is important nowadays, as landscape iPhone Plus devices can support 
different interfaces than landscape iPhones that are smaller. The main point is 
that you make iOS apps, not iPad or iPod apps specifically.

* Xcode lets you make apps for all Apple products, from iPhone to iPad to Apple 
Watch to Apple TV to Mac. You can't develop apps on anything other than a Mac, 
at least not yet. Apple may eventually release Xcode for iPad, but that's just 
a rumor that has been around for a few years.

* To test devices, you can run simulators from within Xcode. You can simulate 
an iPhone SE up through a 12.9-inch iPad Pro. The bad news is that these 
simulators don't work well with VO on the Mac, and I've not found a way to get 
a simulated iOS device to run the iOS version of VoiceOver. Best to deploy to a 
real device if possible. That said, if you have sighted help, it can be good to 
run on a simulator just to take care of obvious problems before you bother 
plugging in your iPad.

* Swift is a programming language, like C++ or Python. It has nothing to do 
with app development. NVDA (the Windows screen reader) is written in Python, 
while your favorite audio game on Windows is written in Visual Basic or C++. 
The language has no bearing on the program that results. It's just that Apple 
created Swift and it's one of the languages supported by Xcode. Swift as a 
language has nothing to do with iOS or macOS programming. It's more that Apple 
uses Swift to let people create apps. This distinction may not make a lot of 
sense, and you can safely ignore it if that's the case.

I hope all this makes some sense.

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> On Apr 14, 2018, at 04:41, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
>  
> Thanks and yes this is exactly what I’m looking for.
>  
> The itunes U wasn’t something I’d have thought of but will check it out.
>  
> Developing apps for the iPad
> Does that need to be done on the iPad or within the IOS platform I guess SDK 
> or is there a swift development kit for the Mac OS platform also,
> Or is that an x code SDK with swift coding abilities also?
>  
> I was told there was an emulator for the IOS platform on the mac os app store!
>  
> Ch eers for now ans if you have any other suggestions please let me know.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Friday, 13 April 2018 2:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps
>  
> Hi Simon,
>  
> I am supposed to promote these titles in iBooks when doing presentations to 
> teachers and such, so I'll suggest them to you as well.  In the iBooks Store, 
> type "Swift" into the Search field and check out the results.  My 
> recommendation is to first download Swift Playgrounds to your iPad and go 
> through the Learn to Code with Swift Playgrounds 1, 2 and 3.  There is also 
> an iTunes U course you can take which is found in the iTunes U app on your 
> iPad.  Open the iTunes U app, double-tap the Featured tab, activate the 
> search field, then type Playground.  There should be the Learn to Code with 
> Swift Playground course there and some other titles.  There are App 
> Development iBooks as well that will show up when you do the previous search 
> in the iBooks Store.  Hopefully, this is the sort of thing that you're 
> looking for.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 04:22, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Listers,
> 
> I've got a couple of things I'd like to develop in the way of apps for IOS 
> and wondered if anyone had information on the best way to get into app 
> development?
> 
> I've just purchased myself a new iPad Pro 10.5 inch 256GB device which will 
> be somewhat easier to carry around and work on.
> 
> But need to start looking at swift development 
> Another question is 
> Can you develop apps on the iPad or do you have to do it on / via Mac OS and 
> an SDK 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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Re: Question about a very specific type of crash

[Alex Hall]

That's a new one for me. My only suggestion is to try something that worked for 
me: if you're using portable preferences with VoiceOver, stop using them and 
see if the problem persists. If you're already not using them, all I can 
suggest is to grab a system snapshot and email it to Apple Accessibility. To do 
this, wait for the problem to happen, then press command, option, control, 
shift, and period, all at once. After ten minutes or so, Finder will open to 
the results, a large file you can email with Maildrop or via a cloud service.

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> On Apr 14, 2018, at 11:21, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a Mac Mini from 2016. This has also happened on previous Minis. I have 
> never known it to occur on a laptop. I will be listening to music and I will 
> quicklook another type of sound file or even sometimes a file that uses 
> voiceover. I’m guessing that two sounds hit the in a very specific way and I 
> lose not only the voice of voiceover, but all of it’s functionality as well. 
> Other apps are still open and functioning, and, for example, if I can 
> command+tab to iTunes, I can pause it. However, any VO command results in the 
> default sound you get if you are at the top or bottom of a file or.
> 
> Is there any way to restore VO without rebooting the computer?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: Using Swift to Dev Apps

[Alex Hall]

In addition to what Tim said, here are a couple other thoughts.

You do need a Mac, and you need to download the free Xcode app. That's what 
you'll use to write, compile, and deploy your apps. It's a huge program and can 
be very confusing at first, and even well after your first few uses. You'll be 
interacting a LOT.

Apple has some good Swift courses, walking you through making some basic apps 
so you can get used to how things work. These are for sighted people, of 
course, so a few of the steps will be different. You won't control-drag, for 
instance. Let us know when you run into anything like this and we can try to 
explain the VO-specific alternative, if any of us know it.

Finally, consider joining the mv-dev email list, started by Cara, one of the 
mods on the MacVisionaries list. It's very low traffic, and you may not always 
get a response, but it's worth checking out. It's on Google Groups, so emailing 
mv-dev+subscr...@googlegroups.com should work to get you on it.

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> On Apr 12, 2018, at 10:39, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> I am supposed to promote these titles in iBooks when doing presentations to 
> teachers and such, so I'll suggest them to you as well.  In the iBooks Store, 
> type "Swift" into the Search field and check out the results.  My 
> recommendation is to first download Swift Playgrounds to your iPad and go 
> through the Learn to Code with Swift Playgrounds 1, 2 and 3.  There is also 
> an iTunes U course you can take which is found in the iTunes U app on your 
> iPad.  Open the iTunes U app, double-tap the Featured tab, activate the 
> search field, then type Playground.  There should be the Learn to Code with 
> Swift Playground course there and some other titles.  There are App 
> Development iBooks as well that will show up when you do the previous search 
> in the iBooks Store.  Hopefully, this is the sort of thing that you're 
> looking for.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 04:22, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
> 
> I've got a couple of things I'd like to develop in the way of apps for IOS 
> and wondered if anyone had information on the best way to get into app 
> development?
> 
> I've just purchased myself a new iPad Pro 10.5 inch 256GB device which will 
> be somewhat easier to carry around and work on.
> 
> But need to start looking at swift development 
> Another question is 
> Can you develop apps on the iPad or do you have to do it on / via Mac OS and 
> an SDK 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Simon F
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Re: difficulties working with attachments

[Alex Hall]

Really? I'm guessing they're going to your downloads folder, then. I thought 
there was a way to change that to prompt for a location, but I'm not in front 
of my Mac just now to verify.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 09:45, aliFaisal <faisal.a...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> Thank you for your response. However, accessing the save attachments from the 
> menu does not bring  up a   dialogue box asking me where to save it. When I 
> select that option, the menu disappears and I am brought back to my message 
> in focus.
>
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It sounds like VO isn't focused on the attachment. Also, remember that 
>> attachments may not appear at the end of messages. Some mail clients, 
>> including the default ones on macOS and iOS, will embed attachments wherever 
>> the author wants them.
>> 
>> Because of this, and because of the focus you're running into, I tend to use 
>> the file menu instead. If you go to that menu while on a message, there's an 
>> option to save attachments. Select this, choose a folder as you would for 
>> saving a file in any other app, and you're done. This menu item has no 
>> keyboard shortcut, but you can assign one if you want to.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2018, at 09:25, aliFaisal <faisal.a...@icloud.com> wrote:
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>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I am having  lot of issues being able to open or save attachments on the 
>>> latest build of hi sera. Normally what I’ve been doing is going to the 
>>> bottom of the message, option ctrl m on the attachment and it will allow me 
>>> to open or save it that way. However, lately, the only options I am seeing 
>>> when manipulating attachments is copy and speech sub menu. There does not 
>>> appear to be a way for me to open or save it.
>>> Am I missing anything?,
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Re: difficulties working with attachments

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It sounds like VO isn't focused on the attachment. Also, remember that 
attachments may not appear at the end of messages. Some mail clients, including 
the default ones on macOS and iOS, will embed attachments wherever the author 
wants them.

Because of this, and because of the focus you're running into, I tend to use 
the file menu instead. If you go to that menu while on a message, there's an 
option to save attachments. Select this, choose a folder as you would for 
saving a file in any other app, and you're done. This menu item has no keyboard 
shortcut, but you can assign one if you want to.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 09:25, aliFaisal  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I am having  lot of issues being able to open or save attachments on the 
> latest build of hi sera. Normally what I’ve been doing is going to the bottom 
> of the message, option ctrl m on the attachment and it will allow me to open 
> or save it that way. However, lately, the only options I am seeing when 
> manipulating attachments is copy and speech sub menu. There does not appear 
> to be a way for me to open or save it.
> Am I missing anything?,
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Re: Export a pages document to another format

[Alex Hall]

This works in all applications: press vo-m. In case you're not familiar, the VO 
keys are control and option together. You can choose to use caps lock as well, 
but that's a different post.

You would hold down control and option, press m, then let the keys go. 
VoiceOver should announce that you're on the Apple menu. Press right arrow to 
get to the file menu, which should be two presses over, then down arrow to open 
the menu. You can now start typing "export", hitting enter when you land on it, 
or just down arrow to it. To clarify, you don't need to type the full word you 
want, just enough letters to find it. Again, this works in any menu in any 
application.l

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> On Apr 5, 2018, at 06:12, Leo Bado <leobado1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi everyone,
> 
> As I said in my introduction I'm totally new on macos systems.  Now what I 
> want to do is this, since I'm using pages I want to know how to export a 
> pages document to another format just like the support appple web site says 
> it might be done.
> 
> 
> here is what they say:
> 
> 
> Open the document, then choose File > Export To > [file format] (from the 
> File menu at the top of your screen).
> 
> 
> Specify export settings:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> but happens to be I can't find the file  tab, when I'm in pages and I go to 
> the tool bar, I start  interacting with with it but when I move right or left 
> I only find the viiew, insert, table, chart, etc.
> but as I said I can't find the file tab or menu.
> I need help here please.
> I'm using latest version of macos high sierra and just downloaded pages few 
> days ago.
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Re: problems navigating in mail and the menu bar

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It really sounds like Quick Nav has been enabled. Try pressing the left and 
right arrows at the same time. If VoiceOver says, "Quick Nav off", you should 
be back to normal. If it says, "Quick Nav on", press the two keys again to turn 
it back off and let us know that this wasn't the issue.

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> On Mar 30, 2018, at 22:53, Jennifer Parry <music...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> After installing yesterday’s updates, I’m encountering a couple of strange 
> issues.
> In mail, once I have navigated in to the inbox I need and interacted with it, 
> I find that I cannot up or down arrow through the list of emails. The Focus 
> keeps jumping in to a search box.
> when I am on the  desktop an press voiceover M to go in the the apple menu to 
> shut down, I can get as far as the listing for apple, but can not down or up 
> arrow to get to the shut down option.
> Is anyone else having these issues or is there a setting I need to look for.
> I am using a macbook pro with touch bar and voiceover.
>  
> Sincerely
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Re: Purchasing apple watch

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I have the series 2 sport, which is the same as yours except for better water 
resistance and onboard GPS. It runs as quickly and has the same storage.

Personally, I'm waiting for the next one before I upgrade. Mine works well 
enough, and I'm told by other users that the Series 3 is a huge jump over the 
original Apple Watch, but not so much of one over the series we both have. 
Since I wouldn't get a huge increase in performance, I'm holding off for now.

That said, cellular is one reason to consider an upgrade. If you really need an 
Apple Watch that can function (mostly) independently of its paired iPhone, the 
Series 3 is your only option right now. Still, if you can wait, I'm betting 
there will be good things in the next ones. Even if it's incremental speed and 
performance improvements, those changes will be all the more worth it coming 
from our Watches compared to upgrading now, then upgrading again.

Finally, I can't see much need for the stainless steel. The screen might be 
harder to scratch, but I've never scratched my screen. The unit feels a bit 
more substantial on the wrist, but I like the weight of mine. The casing is 
harder, but I've had no impact problems with my aluminum casing. I may well be 
missing something, but I've never really seen the incentive to spring for the 
stainless steel.

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> On Mar 24, 2018, at 19:59, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
>  
> While waiting for my iPhone to have the battery replaced, I looked at the 
> Apple watches. I’m trying to decide if I want to purchase the series 3 now, 
> or wait for the 4. I’m also trying to decide between sport and stainless 
> steel. bennifits of stainless steel over sport? Should I wait for the 4? I 
> have the series 1 now.
>  
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
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Re: I'm probably getting my airpods today, is there something i should know?

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The process is simple. You unlock your phone, open the AirPods case near the 
phone, and wait a moment. You'll be asked if you want to pair the AirPods with 
the phone, to which you answer that you do. Once that's done, insert the 
AirPods into your ears, and off you go.

To control what each Pod does when you tap it twice, open Settings, then 
Bluetooth. Find your AirPods in the list, go to More Info, and find the 
settings there. Each Pod can skip forward or back, play/pause, or invoke Siri 
when you double tap it. You can have two different commands (one per Pod) or 
use the same command on both.

To stop using AirPods, just remove them. To use them again, put them in. If you 
insert them, they chime to indicate they're on, but sound doesn't route to 
them, open your control center. Do a 3d press (or double tap and hold on 
devices lacking that ability) on the playback controls to expand that section. 
Find and double tap "playback destination", and choose your airPods from that 
list. I find that, if sound doesn't go to my AirPods right away, I can issue a 
play command (since my left Pod is set up for that) and sound usually goes to 
them on its own.

There's more to them, like how to use them with other devices, but that should 
be more than enough to get you started. Also, since they have no buttons or 
anything of their own, any questions you have which are answered online should 
have no accessibility challenges.

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> On Mar 21, 2018, at 04:39, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
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> Hello,
> I’ve purchased a set of Apple Airpods that i’m going to get today or 
> tomorrow. Now i wonder if there’s anything i have to do to make these beasts 
> accessible and/or if there’s somewhere i could read up on the commands that 
> you use to operate the Airpods.
> I understand you have to tap somewhere on them to make things happen.
> Thanks for any help.
> /Krister
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Re: Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?

[Alex Hall]

I agree, and you have to be careful when purchasing this kind of thing. I stick 
to trusted third-party brands, like Anker, or items with a lot of positive 
reviews. I've had no problems so far. Now, I have to go find some wood on which 
to knock. :) 

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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 11:55, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Caveat Evptor. Cheap becomes expensive. There are some things I will not 
> cut corners on for there are those knock offs that flood the marketplace.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/20/2018 3:35 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> It would have been, but the official Apple adapters are far more expensive. 
>> I love Apple, but I tend to never buy some accessories. Cables, watch bands, 
>> and some wall adapters are among the items I consider to be so overpriced, 
>> but that have safe and workable alternatives available elsewhere, that I 
>> don't like to buy them if I can help it.
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>>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 01:43, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alex,
>>> 
>>> Would it not be worth while contacting apple support or their store to see 
>>> if you can get one directly from them?
>>> 
>>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Kilburn
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 19 March 2018 2:05 AM
>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I haven't ever found it in the software anywhere.  It's usually physically 
>>> engraved on the bottom of the MacBook Pro somewhere, but that doesn't help 
>>> us.  Apple usually has those designators on their site somewhere.  I 
>>> usually just take the 9-2 identifier and add MacBook Pro Apple and throw it 
>>> into a Google search and it will come up either on Apple's site 
>>> everymac.com <http://everymac.com/>.  The before 2012 is a little 
>>> misleading, but 2012 is when the retina displays and MagSafe 2 charger came 
>>> out, so they're correct, but those units that you're talking about did use 
>>> the 60w MagSafe 1 adaptor as you've found.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 06:25, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim, where would I find that designator? That's the kind of thing I 
>>> expected to find in the system report, but I couldn't get anything other 
>>> than the not-very-helpful "9,2" thing.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On Mar 17, 2018, at 23:35, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
>>><mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi,
>>> 
>>>That machine is likely an A1278 if that helps.
>>> 
>>>Later...
>>> 
>>>Tim Kilburn
>>>Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>On Mar 17, 2018, at 20:47, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com
>>><mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hi all,
>>>My mother has a 2012 MacBook Pro, and the cord on the charger is
>>>finally starting to wear out. I have no problem getting a charger
>>>from Amazon, but I'm not sure what to get. The only model
>>>identifier I can find in the Mac's system report is 9,2, but all
>>>the chargers online list identifiers that are nothing like that. I
>>>looked on Apple's website and it told me to get a 60w l-shaped
>>>charger, but the ones on Amazon that match that description all
>>>specify that they're for "before mid 2012".
>>> 
>>>I'm unsure what to do here. Apple made me feel better by saying
>>>that the wrong adapter can't hurt the Mac, but I'd still rather
>>>not spend money on a product that won't work. Can anyone suggest
>>>what I should look for? Incidentally, I'm happier than ever that
>>>Apple has moved to USB-C these days, as finding those adapters is
&g

Re: help, I have somehow turned the volume on my watch waaaay down!

[Alex Hall]

I'm guessing you did a volume control gesture. This is an odd one, but here it 
is: do a two-finger double tap, but hold both fingers on the second tap, like 
you would a single finger double tap and hold. Once both fingers are on the 
screen, you'll hear two tones, similar to the tones heard when the iOS control 
label screen is about to appear. After the two tones, slide your fingers toward 
the twelve o'clock position to raise the volume, or the six o'clock position to 
lower it. You may run out of room and have to repeat the gesture. You can also 
go to the Watch app on your phone, then go into general > accessibility > 
VoiceOver and adjust the volume from there.

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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 06:19, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> So I did some kind of gesture that has lowered the volume on my watch.  
> Anyone know what that might be?  And how I can turn the volume back up?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?

[Alex Hall]

It would have been, but the official Apple adapters are far more expensive. I 
love Apple, but I tend to never buy some accessories. Cables, watch bands, and 
some wall adapters are among the items I consider to be so overpriced, but that 
have safe and workable alternatives available elsewhere, that I don't like to 
buy them if I can help it.

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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 01:43, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Alex,
>  
> Would it not be worth while contacting apple support or their store to see if 
> you can get one directly from them?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Monday, 19 March 2018 2:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I haven't ever found it in the software anywhere.  It's usually physically 
> engraved on the bottom of the MacBook Pro somewhere, but that doesn't help 
> us.  Apple usually has those designators on their site somewhere.  I usually 
> just take the 9-2 identifier and add MacBook Pro Apple and throw it into a 
> Google search and it will come up either on Apple's site everymac.com 
> <http://everymac.com/>.  The before 2012 is a little misleading, but 2012 is 
> when the retina displays and MagSafe 2 charger came out, so they're correct, 
> but those units that you're talking about did use the 60w MagSafe 1 adaptor 
> as you've found.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Mar 18, 2018, at 06:25, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>  
> Tim, where would I find that designator? That's the kind of thing I expected 
> to find in the system report, but I couldn't get anything other than the 
> not-very-helpful "9,2" thing.
> 
> --
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>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 17, 2018, at 23:35, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
> 
> That machine is likely an A1278 if that helps.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 17, 2018, at 20:47, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> My mother has a 2012 MacBook Pro, and the cord on the charger is finally 
> starting to wear out. I have no problem getting a charger from Amazon, but 
> I'm not sure what to get. The only model identifier I can find in the Mac's 
> system report is 9,2, but all the chargers online list identifiers that are 
> nothing like that. I looked on Apple's website and it told me to get a 60w 
> l-shaped charger, but the ones on Amazon that match that description all 
> specify that they're for "before mid 2012".
> 
> I'm unsure what to do here. Apple made me feel better by saying that the 
> wrong adapter can't hurt the Mac, but I'd still rather not spend money on a 
> product that won't work. Can anyone suggest what I should look for? 
> Incidentally, I'm happier than ever that Apple has moved to USB-C these days, 
> as finding those adapters is way simpler. Anyway; any guidance would be 
> appreciated. Thanks.
> 
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Re: Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks for the explanation. I've ordered one, and feel better about having done 
so now that you've explained why the mid 2012 thing is there. I'm also glad to 
know I'm not missing where that identifier is. That's an odd omission, as the 
correct identifier is easy to find within iOS' settings. , , 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2018, at 09:04, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I haven't ever found it in the software anywhere.  It's usually physically 
> engraved on the bottom of the MacBook Pro somewhere, but that doesn't help 
> us.  Apple usually has those designators on their site somewhere.  I usually 
> just take the 9-2 identifier and add MacBook Pro Apple and throw it into a 
> Google search and it will come up either on Apple's site everymac.com.  The 
> before 2012 is a little misleading, but 2012 is when the retina displays and 
> MagSafe 2 charger came out, so they're correct, but those units that you're 
> talking about did use the 60w MagSafe 1 adaptor as you've found.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 18, 2018, at 06:25, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Tim, where would I find that designator? That's the kind of thing I expected 
> to find in the system report, but I couldn't get anything other than the 
> not-very-helpful "9,2" thing.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2018, at 23:35, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> That machine is likely an A1278 if that helps.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 17, 2018, at 20:47, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> My mother has a 2012 MacBook Pro, and the cord on the charger is finally 
>> starting to wear out. I have no problem getting a charger from Amazon, but 
>> I'm not sure what to get. The only model identifier I can find in the Mac's 
>> system report is 9,2, but all the chargers online list identifiers that are 
>> nothing like that. I looked on Apple's website and it told me to get a 60w 
>> l-shaped charger, but the ones on Amazon that match that description all 
>> specify that they're for "before mid 2012".
>> 
>> I'm unsure what to do here. Apple made me feel better by saying that the 
>> wrong adapter can't hurt the Mac, but I'd still rather not spend money on a 
>> product that won't work. Can anyone suggest what I should look for? 
>> Incidentally, I'm happier than ever that Apple has moved to USB-C these 
>> days, as finding those adapters is way simpler. Anyway; any guidance would 
>> be appreciated. Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?

[Alex Hall]

Tim, where would I find that designator? That's the kind of thing I expected to 
find in the system report, but I couldn't get anything other than the 
not-very-helpful "9,2" thing.

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> On Mar 17, 2018, at 23:35, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> That machine is likely an A1278 if that helps.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 17, 2018, at 20:47, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> My mother has a 2012 MacBook Pro, and the cord on the charger is finally 
> starting to wear out. I have no problem getting a charger from Amazon, but 
> I'm not sure what to get. The only model identifier I can find in the Mac's 
> system report is 9,2, but all the chargers online list identifiers that are 
> nothing like that. I looked on Apple's website and it told me to get a 60w 
> l-shaped charger, but the ones on Amazon that match that description all 
> specify that they're for "before mid 2012".
> 
> I'm unsure what to do here. Apple made me feel better by saying that the 
> wrong adapter can't hurt the Mac, but I'd still rather not spend money on a 
> product that won't work. Can anyone suggest what I should look for? 
> Incidentally, I'm happier than ever that Apple has moved to USB-C these days, 
> as finding those adapters is way simpler. Anyway; any guidance would be 
> appreciated. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?

[Alex Hall]

That's what the internet tells me, too. My confusion comes from all such 
adapters on Amazon specifying they're for the Pro from before mid 2012. I don't 
know why they would say that, as this Mac is from 2012. I assume it came out in 
the middle of the year, as they often do.

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> On Mar 18, 2018, at 05:49, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> if it the mac book pro with the optical / dvd drive on the right hand side 
> then it will be a Mag Safe,
> not mag safe 2 as the 2 dind't come out till the thinner and non dvd drive 
> models.
> 
> 
> So if it's the 13" 2012 model then you would want a 60W Mag Safe ac power 
> adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2018 3:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?
> 
> Hi all,
> My mother has a 2012 MacBook Pro, and the cord on the charger is finally 
> starting to wear out. I have no problem getting a charger from Amazon, but 
> I'm not sure what to get. The only model identifier I can find in the Mac's 
> system report is 9,2, but all the chargers online list identifiers that are 
> nothing like that. I looked on Apple's website and it told me to get a 60w 
> l-shaped charger, but the ones on Amazon that match that description all 
> specify that they're for "before mid 2012".
> 
> I'm unsure what to do here. Apple made me feel better by saying that the 
> wrong adapter can't hurt the Mac, but I'd still rather not spend money on a 
> product that won't work. Can anyone suggest what I should look for? 
> Incidentally, I'm happier than ever that Apple has moved to USB-C these days, 
> as finding those adapters is way simpler. Anyway; any guidance would be 
> appreciated. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Replacing MagSafe 1 adapter for 2012 MacBook Pro?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
My mother has a 2012 MacBook Pro, and the cord on the charger is finally 
starting to wear out. I have no problem getting a charger from Amazon, but I'm 
not sure what to get. The only model identifier I can find in the Mac's system 
report is 9,2, but all the chargers online list identifiers that are nothing 
like that. I looked on Apple's website and it told me to get a 60w l-shaped 
charger, but the ones on Amazon that match that description all specify that 
they're for "before mid 2012".

I'm unsure what to do here. Apple made me feel better by saying that the wrong 
adapter can't hurt the Mac, but I'd still rather not spend money on a product 
that won't work. Can anyone suggest what I should look for? Incidentally, I'm 
happier than ever that Apple has moved to USB-C these days, as finding those 
adapters is way simpler. Anyway; any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: A Question Regarding How to Send a document to a PDF Virtual Printer on MMac High Sierra

[Alex Hall]

This is already built in. Hit cmd-p to print, then vo-right. Eventually, you'll 
land on a "PDF, menu button". Press that to choose what to do with your PDF. 
You might want to use vo-end to jump to the end of the window, then vo-left, 
now that I think of it.

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> On Mar 16, 2018, at 19:06, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Okay, here is the scenario.
> 
> I am interacting with some websites that offer printer friendly versions of
> displays of their sites.  For example, displaying a purchase receipt, a
> confirmation page, etc.
> 
> More often than not, I want to save the "printer friendly" version of the
> form as a PDF but not necessarily send it to my physical printer.
> 
> On my Windows 10 PC, as was the case in Windows 8, 7, etc, From within the
> print dialog box, I can select a virtual PDF printer.  This would prompt me
> for a filename and then save the form as a PDF document, with the same page
> layout it would have, if it had gone to my physical printer.  
> 
> In Windows 10, the default built-in virtual printer is called Microsoft PDF
> Writer, or something like that.
> 
> I would like to have the same ability on my Mac.  
> 
> Does anyone know of a free, virtual PDF writer for the Mac that will appear
> in the list of printers when one initiates the print dialog box?
> 
> So far, all I can find on Google is how to save the current Safari page as a
> PDF but this is not good enough.  I need to be able to click a print button
> that is embedded on a website and have a virtual printer be listed in my
> list of printers.  
> 
> Now I'm thinking that were I to install Adobe Reader on my Mac, I would get
> such an option but, before I do, I thought I would run it by you all.  
> 
> Any ideas?  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
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Re: Recognising images of text in Twitterrific on iPhone

[Alex Hall]

You find the tweet, then swipe up or down (down is faster) until you find "open 
media". Double tap to bring up the image, on which VO should focus 
automatically. Now do a three-finger tap to get any description or text VO can 
generate. You might need to try it a few times. I find that, if I have nothing 
after three or four tries, I'm probably not going to get anything. Do a 
two-finger scrub when you're done, and the image will close.

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> On Mar 15, 2018, at 14:57, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In Twitterrific on my iphone, I frequently see images which people post.  I 
> have a feeling that they are images containing text.  How can I have them 
> recognised with Voiceover on an iPhone?  Can it be done relatively simply?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Graphene could charge your phone in 7 seconds, CNET

[Alex Hall]

Oh, it's a wonderful material, with tons of potential applications. I do have 
to day, though, that I remember reading this same claim, about the same 
material, sitting in a lecture hall in college. Nine years ago. I really hope 
it happens, but I have a harder time getting excited about things like this 
nowadays. I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong, of course. 

--
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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 18:30, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the article Mark. I've never heard of this material before. Wow, 
> this sounds really interesting.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 3:11 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Want to charge your smartphone in 7 seconds? Look to graphene
>> Graphene gets touted as a "wonder material" because of its unique
>> properties. Here are five potential real-world uses.
>> By Katie Collins, March 14, 2018 5:04 AM PDT
>> 
>> Graphene is 200 times stronger than steel and lighter than paper and often
>> referred to as a wonder material. But what can this substance actually do?
>> 
>> Fortunately, graphene had a chance to shine at last month's Mobile World
>> Congress trade show in Barcelona. Buried away at the furthest point from the
>> entrance to the convention center was the Graphene Pavilion, where around 25
>> different graphene-based research projects, including robotics and
>> wearables, were being shown off.
>> In the coming years some of these applications will go commercial and we'll
>> start to see graphene cropping up in phones, wearables and other technology.
>> 
>> Graphene is a thin layer of pure carbon atoms tightly packed in a honeycomb
>> structure. It isn't manufactured, but instead is extracted from graphite --
>> a process scientists only succeeded in developing in 2004. The result is a
>> 2D substance that has a number of unusual and desirable traits, including
>> being extraordinarily thin, strong and flexible.
>> 
>> A graphene insole can be so thin as to make no discernible difference to a
>> shoe wearer.
>> Europe is where graphene was first isolated, and so convinced is the EU by
>> its potential that it's the basis of the bloc's biggest research initiative.
>> The billion-euro Graphene Flagship program, which hosted the Graphene
>> Pavilion, is dedicated to finding ways in which the material can be brought
>> to market.
>> Here's how graphene may be used in the future.
>> 
>> Smartphones
>> Graphene may have been hidden away at the back of the show this time around,
>> but in the coming years it could be responsible for some dramatic upgrades
>> to phone technology. As well as being flexible enough to be incorporated
>> into bendable phones in the form of antennas or touch displays, it also has
>> enormous potential for improving batteries -- often our biggest gripe when
>> it comes to our phones.
>> Graphene can be built into the batteries themselves to improve energy
>> storage and long-term performance, but it can also speed up energy transfer
>> between a power source and battery exponentially. It acts as a sort of
>> superhighway for charging, allowing energy to pass through it so quickly
>> that researchers believe it can charge a phone in 7 seconds. 
>> 
>> So how long will this seemingly magical technology take to show up? A
>> decade? Kari Hjelt, head of innovation for Graphene Flagship, said it would
>> take as little as two years. 
>> "It's still a young material, so we're actually quite amazed how much it has
>> developed in only 14 years," he said. "The thing with the graphene is that
>> it works in so many fields and in fantastic ways, so we have really pick the
>> ones that are the most promising for Europe and for business."
>> Phone technology is one obvious use, and 5G network tech is another --
>> Ericsson used graphene in its own 5G demo at the show. But it's not the only
>> area where the material can make a difference.
>> 
>> Robotics
>> One biomedical possibility for graphene is in the improvement of artificial
>> limbs.
>> By embedding graphene-based nerve sensors within the top of the limbs, a
>> person is able to sense and respond to contractions and other movements in
>> muscles. That helps them control the motion and force of a robotic limb. 
>> 
>> Artificial limbs have come a long way in recent years, but they could get
>> even lighter and more responsive still.
>> As well as being light and noninvasive, graphene responds quickly to
>> pressure, ensuring natural movement and grip for the wearer. It c

Re: having mac not go to sleep when closing lid?

[Alex Hall]

It would be nice, definitely. Remember, though, that you can grab an adapter 
that simulates a monitor without actually being a monitor. It's ideal if you 
can't see the screen anyway. I don't know what it uses for energy, but I can't 
imagine it's very much given that it doesn't display anything. It's called a 
headless adapter in case anyone wants to look them up.

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> On Mar 10, 2018, at 13:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> It would be both accessibility friendly and eco friendly were the
> external monitor requirement to be dropped. Why should we burn fuel to
> power a device we don't use?
> 
> Seems this could be another configuration option under Voice Over.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Alex Hall writes:
>> I'm not concerned about this, because closed clamshell mode is officially 
>> supported by Apple. I have to think, then, that they take heat into account, 
>> or they wouldn't let users have this mode. Here's the official article for 
>> closed clamshell:
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201834
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 00:23, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah but then you have to be aware of heat disapation up through the 
>>> keyboard 
>>> Now if you close the machine and still have it running then you have heat 
>>> hitting the closed screen  and causing heat build up in the keyboard screen 
>>> region of the device,
>>> 
>>> It’s not something I’d vbe recommending.
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
>>> Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2018 11:56 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: having mac not go to sleep when closing lid?
>>> 
>>> That said, there is closed clamshell mode. If you connect power, a screen, 
>>> and a keyboard to your Mac, it will stay active when closed, though 
>>> presumably, its screen will turn off. Note that, if you don't have enough 
>>> sight to need a screen, you can pick up a dummy unit that will trick the 
>>> Mac into thinking there's a screen. I got one on Amazon for $15 a few years 
>>> ago and it's still working perfectly. I now have it, a keyboard, and power 
>>> plugged into a hub, so I can simply connect a single cable to my Mac and it 
>>> will run when I close it. It's a good setup if you use an external keyboard 
>>> and want extra room on your desk.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2018, at 00:40, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu 
>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Hank,
>>> 
>>> Are you certain that you do not want the Mac to go to sleep upon closing 
>>> the lid?  
>>> 
>>> Were I you, I would not want the screen to remain active when in physical 
>>> contact with the keyboard.  The heat buildup could cause damage to the unit 
>>> and, in fact, may become a fire hazard if the ambient temperature is too 
>>> high.  
>>> 
>>> For your safety and the safety of the unit, I strongly recommend that you 
>>> either don't close the lid or, continue to let closing the lid, put the Mac 
>>> to sleep.  There is a definite reason why having the Mac go to sleep is the 
>>> default behavior of the OS.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of The wolf
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 8:30 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: having mac not go to sleep when closing lid?
>>> 
>>> Hello how do I tell the mac to do nothing when I close the lid?
>>> 
>>> it keeps wanting to go to sleep on me.
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> 
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Re: having mac not go to sleep when closing lid?

[Alex Hall]

I'm not concerned about this, because closed clamshell mode is officially 
supported by Apple. I have to think, then, that they take heat into account, or 
they wouldn't let users have this mode. Here's the official article for closed 
clamshell:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201834

--
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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 00:23, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah but then you have to be aware of heat disapation up through the keyboard 
> Now if you close the machine and still have it running then you have heat 
> hitting the closed screen  and causing heat build up in the keyboard screen 
> region of the device,
>  
> It’s not something I’d vbe recommending.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On 
> Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2018 11:56 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: having mac not go to sleep when closing lid?
>  
> That said, there is closed clamshell mode. If you connect power, a screen, 
> and a keyboard to your Mac, it will stay active when closed, though 
> presumably, its screen will turn off. Note that, if you don't have enough 
> sight to need a screen, you can pick up a dummy unit that will trick the Mac 
> into thinking there's a screen. I got one on Amazon for $15 a few years ago 
> and it's still working perfectly. I now have it, a keyboard, and power 
> plugged into a hub, so I can simply connect a single cable to my Mac and it 
> will run when I close it. It's a good setup if you use an external keyboard 
> and want extra room on your desk.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2018, at 00:40, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hello Hank,
> 
> Are you certain that you do not want the Mac to go to sleep upon closing the 
> lid?  
> 
> Were I you, I would not want the screen to remain active when in physical 
> contact with the keyboard.  The heat buildup could cause damage to the unit 
> and, in fact, may become a fire hazard if the ambient temperature is too 
> high.  
> 
> For your safety and the safety of the unit, I strongly recommend that you 
> either don't close the lid or, continue to let closing the lid, put the Mac 
> to sleep.  There is a definite reason why having the Mac go to sleep is the 
> default behavior of the OS.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of The wolf
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 8:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: having mac not go to sleep when closing lid?
> 
> Hello how do I tell the mac to do nothing when I close the lid?
> 
> it keeps wanting to go to sleep on me.
> 
> Hank
> 
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Re: Checking on running processes

[Alex Hall]

Open Activity Monitor, from Spotlight or the Utilities folder in you 
applications folder. Once it opens, vo-left to the toolbar, interact, then find 
and interact with the view buttons group. Here you can pick the information you 
want--memory, CPU, energy, etc. Get out of here and go back to the tasks table. 
Interact and use vo-shift-backslash to sort by different headers, if you want. 
If you don't care to sort, there's no need to interact with the table, just up 
and down arrow on it.

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> On Mar 7, 2018, at 20:36, Agent086b <agent0...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have asked this question before but have lost the email with the answer.
> I often find the CPU running at say 70% 50% user & 20% system. How do I see 
> what is running. Often at these times I am doing nothing on the Mac. 
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
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Re: having mac not go to sleep when closing lid?

[Alex Hall]

That said, there is closed clamshell mode. If you connect power, a screen, and 
a keyboard to your Mac, it will stay active when closed, though presumably, its 
screen will turn off. Note that, if you don't have enough sight to need a 
screen, you can pick up a dummy unit that will trick the Mac into thinking 
there's a screen. I got one on Amazon for $15 a few years ago and it's still 
working perfectly. I now have it, a keyboard, and power plugged into a hub, so 
I can simply connect a single cable to my Mac and it will run when I close it. 
It's a good setup if you use an external keyboard and want extra room on your 
desk.

--
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> On Mar 7, 2018, at 00:40, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Hank,
> 
> Are you certain that you do not want the Mac to go to sleep upon closing the 
> lid?  
> 
> Were I you, I would not want the screen to remain active when in physical 
> contact with the keyboard.  The heat buildup could cause damage to the unit 
> and, in fact, may become a fire hazard if the ambient temperature is too 
> high.  
> 
> For your safety and the safety of the unit, I strongly recommend that you 
> either don't close the lid or, continue to let closing the lid, put the Mac 
> to sleep.  There is a definite reason why having the Mac go to sleep is the 
> default behavior of the OS.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The wolf
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 8:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: having mac not go to sleep when closing lid?
> 
> Hello how do I tell the mac to do nothing when I close the lid?
> 
> it keeps wanting to go to sleep on me.
> 
> Hank
> 
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Re: Apple Pay and Touch ID

[Alex Hall]

In my experience, this is location-specific. Ideally, no, you don't need to 
enter a PIN. But places still require it, such as Best Buy where I live. No one 
can tell me why, but I gather it's something to do with policy, or maybe the 
payment terminals in use. It's a pain, considering what NFC payments are 
supposed to let you do, but it seems to be up to the business to choose whether 
they require a PIN. Some, sadly, decide to.

--
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> On Mar 5, 2018, at 20:25, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Kawal,
>   Thanks. Well I wonder if its bank specific. I entered all that information. 
> I went into Wallet to see if there was something else but did not see where 
> to edit the card details, but did not spend a lot of time looking.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/5/2018 3:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Hi E T.
>> You don't need to enter your debit card pin when you do Apple Pay.
>> Did you set up your card details in Apple Pay to start with which you can 
>> find in your Wallet as you need to add your CSV number and your long card 
>> number if I remember rightly to get this going.  Once you enter those 
>> details, then the server will varify your card and you will get a text from 
>> your Bank thanking you for setting up Apple Pay and so on.
>> Do check your wallet first before you use Apple Pay again on your I phone 8.
>> Kawal.
>>> On 5 Mar 2018, at 21:08, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   This worked for me today. Just curious that I still needed to enter the 
>>> PIN for my debit card. If the terminal has no physical keypad, its no good 
>>> anyway,
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 3/3/2018 6:09 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>> E.T.,
>>>> Remember, if you have everything setup correctly, the only time you will 
>>>> need to enter your phone's pass code is when you reboot the phone.
>>>> Mark
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:58 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Apple Pay and Touch ID
>>>> Alex,
>>>> Thanks. Remember, this is all new to me. I only just got Touch ID and 
>>>> Apple Pay set up in the last couple days. Plus the passcode which until 
>>>> now I never used. I will try this again on Monday.
>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> On 3/3/2018 6:49 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>>> In general, the process is simply:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * from the lock screen or notifications center, press the home button
>>>>> twice
>>>>> * your default card will be selected, but you can choose a different
>>>>> card if you have one
>>>>> * hold the phone near the reader
>>>>> * touch the home button to authenticate, or do what I do and just
>>>>> leave your finger there while holding the phone to the reader
>>>>> * after a moment, the phone vibrates and chimes, and you're done
>>>>> 
>>>>> Really, stepping through it like that makes it sound longer and harder
>>>>> than it is. Double press the home button, hold the phone to the
>>>>> reader, and rest a finger on the home button for Touch ID. The only
>>>>> way it gets easier is if you're using an Apple Watch. I hope this
>>>>> explains things some, and your next attempt goes more smoothly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Hall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 00:34, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>   I did not get that far. What I ran into was, simply put, not
>>>>>> knowing yet how to make the transaction. And I did not have the
>>>>>> luxury of keeping the checker waiting.
>>>>>> 
>>

Re: Updating Apple watch, do others have problems?

[Alex Hall]

It's a long shot, but could you delete the downloaded update? I know you can do 
that with iOS updates before they get installed, by going to your storage 
settings. I'm not sure if watchOS updates are similar, but it might be worth 
trying.

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> On Mar 5, 2018, at 17:55, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 

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Re: More About Buying My First Mac

[Alex Hall]

I'm quite a fan of the new keyboards. I'm typing one one now, in fact. The keys 
travel very little, but once you get used to having a lighter touch, you can 
get going quite quickly. Keyboards are like speech synthesizers, in that 
everyone has their own preferences and dislikes. Really, the best way is to 
type on each one for a while (not a few seconds, but at least ten minutes, I'd 
say). Keep in mind, too, that my liking this keyboard is saying something, as I 
use a blue switch mechanical keyboard at work and love that one as well. It's 
all down to individual taste. I just wanted to put it out there that the new 
keyboards aren't universally hated. 

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> On Mar 5, 2018, at 16:28, Rhanda Hasley <rhanda.has...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I'll definitely consider that as well.
> 
> Thanks much,
> Rhanda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: More About Buying My First Mac
> 
> Hi!
> Don’t forget the refurbished ones that lay around these days.
> It can be something to consider if you’re out of money.
> /A
> 
>> 4 mars 2018 kl. 20:16 skrev Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net>:
>> 
>> Based on what you said you wanted to do, you would probably be fine with the 
>> macbook air, I do similar things and that's what will be my next laptop, 
>> unless Apple discontinues them.
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Rhanda Hasley <rhanda.has...@sbcglobal.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your very informative and helpful responses to my questions. 
>>> I can definitely see the advantages of buying an Air, but as has been 
>>> mentioned, Mac will discontinue this model at some point.  I mostly plan on 
>>> doing e-mail, web surfing, and word processing, but might also like to do 
>>> some recording, and utilize this computer to do work from home.  I also 
>>> like to chat on line with Skype and maybe other programs.  For years, I’ve 
>>> used a Windows desktop and would like a machine that’s powerful, yet 
>>> portable.
>>> 
>>> Whether I get the Air or the Pro, would there be any other advantages to a 
>>> unit with a touch bar, other than easy insertion of emojis and Touch ID?  
>>> That’s something I’ve not gotten into yet, and honestly don’t think I’d be 
>>> doing it too much.  A couple of friends have indicated that units with 
>>> touch bars have a better processing speed, but is that really significant 
>>> or necessary?  In looking at Macs recently, I notice that ones without 
>>> touch bars have the function keys that we’re used to on Windows computers, 
>>> but the other ones use the FN and other keys to simulate these functions.  
>>> 
>>> Will keep looking, but meanwhile, thanks for your valuable input.  Should 
>>> you have any other questions, please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Rhanda
>>> 
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Re: Portable Preferences and VO's activity message

[Alex Hall]

Mine reverts to using Portable Preferences as well. In my case, though, the 
problem returned as soon as it started using my prefs, and went away again when 
I turned them off again. I'm sorry you didn't have the same experience.

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> On Mar 5, 2018, at 03:43, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi  Alex:
> I stopped the Voice over portable preferences, and the same problem still.
> i Even noticed very strange thing, I restarted my Voice over and discovered 
> that the portable preferences became active again, don’t know why.
> but i am sure that i stopped it.
> anyway my problem still happening.
> Thanks so much.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 5:13 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> A few days ago, there was a thread on this list about VO constantly saying 
>> "Voiceover settings activity" to the point where macOS was becoming 
>> frustrating to use. A suggestion was made to stop using portable 
>> preferences. I'm not sure how the original poster got on, but I tried that 
>> suggestion this morning. I stopped using portable preferences, and 
>> configured VO from scratch. So far, I've not had a single instance of a 
>> problem that used to happen once every few minutes. If you find this 
>> problem, try not using portable preferences. It worked for me. Thanks again 
>> to the person who suggested it. That prefs disk image has lived in my iCloud 
>> Drive or Dropbox so long, I'd almost forgotten I was running on it.
>> 
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Re: Urgent please, Voice over acting strange in safari

[Alex Hall]

Part of this sounds simple. Open the VO Utility with vo-f8, go to the 
Commanders category, choose the Quick Nav tab, and find the checkbox for "allow 
single key navigation on webpages". It sounds like that has become unchecked. 
I'm not sure why you can't enter text, though. Maybe try interacting with the 
text field?

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> On Mar 5, 2018, at 10:29, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Perhaps you toggled the single key navigation while using QuickNav. I believe 
> the keystroke to change this is VO-Q, but I can’t check right now. 
> 
>> On Mar 5, 2018, at 3:17 AM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> don’t know what’s going wrong, but my Voice over acting so strange inside 
>> safari.
>> 
>> i could use the quick nav on, and use my H to move to next wedding etc, but 
>> now, nothing is working of these buttons,
>> but when the quick nav is of, i can use vo+cmd+h for instance to go to next 
>> wedding, so, what is wrong?
>> the most big issue now is that in text fields, i can not enter any text, 
>> when using the quick nav off, don’t know why.
>> Please help
>> Thanks in advance 
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Re: More About Buying My First Mac

[Alex Hall]

I agree. It sounds like you don't need anything very intensive, so an Air 
should be fine. I'd suggest, as others have, getting it upgraded some. Go for 
more ram and storage, if possible. I'd guess 8GB of ram should be enough, and 
storage depends on how much you'll want to keep on the computer versus using 
external drives or cloud services. Even if Apple discontinues the Air line, 
that won't matter. Your machine will continue to work and be supported, even if 
no new Airs are made after this year. Again, though, I'd strongly recommend 
waiting until the summer or fall to see what happens with new products.

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 14:16, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Based on what you said you wanted to do, you would probably be fine with the 
> macbook air, I do similar things and that's what will be my next laptop, 
> unless Apple discontinues them.
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Rhanda Hasley <rhanda.has...@sbcglobal.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Thank you for your very informative and helpful responses to my questions. I 
>> can definitely see the advantages of buying an Air, but as has been 
>> mentioned, Mac will discontinue this model at some point.  I mostly plan on 
>> doing e-mail, web surfing, and word processing, but might also like to do 
>> some recording, and utilize this computer to do work from home.  I also like 
>> to chat on line with Skype and maybe other programs.  For years, I’ve used a 
>> Windows desktop and would like a machine that’s powerful, yet portable.
>> 
>> Whether I get the Air or the Pro, would there be any other advantages to a 
>> unit with a touch bar, other than easy insertion of emojis and Touch ID?  
>> That’s something I’ve not gotten into yet, and honestly don’t think I’d be 
>> doing it too much.  A couple of friends have indicated that units with touch 
>> bars have a better processing speed, but is that really significant or 
>> necessary?  In looking at Macs recently, I notice that ones without touch 
>> bars have the function keys that we’re used to on Windows computers, but the 
>> other ones use the FN and other keys to simulate these functions.  
>> 
>> Will keep looking, but meanwhile, thanks for your valuable input.  Should 
>> you have any other questions, please let me know.
>> 
>> Rhanda
>> 
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Re: Apple Pay and Touch ID

[Alex Hall]

I never knew that! I don't use Apple Pay often, and when I od, it's generally 
with my Apple Watch. When I've used the phone, though, I always thought I had 
to double press the home button first. Thanks for the correction, and sorry for 
my bad information!

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 21:07, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Arnold,
> 
> You do not need to press any buttons, first.
> 
> The method you described is the correct one if you only have one credit card 
> on file or if you wish to pay with the default card.  
> 
> When the phone is in proximity of the terminal, it will automatically wake-up 
>  and the process will begin, just as you described.
> 
> So, to be clear, on a non-iPhone 10 device,
> 
> 1.
> With the phone either unlocked or locked, place your registered finger on the 
> Touch-ID Homebutton of the phone.
> 
> 2.
> Now, simply move the phone close to the terminal containing the NFC reader.  
> 
> 3.
> Hold the phone near the reader until you receive hap tic feedback indicating 
> that the transaction has concluded successfully.
> 
> Depending upon the model and iOS version of your Apple device and the model 
> and software version of the NFC terminal, this process can take as little as 
> two seconds up to as much as 30 seconds to complete.
> 
> Personally, I always make certain that my phone is locked, before beginning 
> any transactions.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 3:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Pay and Touch ID
> 
> I never knew I had to double press the home button first. I just hold my 
> phone near the reader with my finger on the home button, and it goes through, 
> except for one time, I don't know what was wrong then. I will try double 
> pressing the home button first next time, to see if it works even better. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
> On Mar 3, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> In general, the process is simply:
> 
> * from the lock screen or notifications center, press the home button twice
> * your default card will be selected, but you can choose a different card if 
> you have one
> * hold the phone near the reader
> * touch the home button to authenticate, or do what I do and just leave your 
> finger there while holding the phone to the reader
> * after a moment, the phone vibrates and chimes, and you're done
> 
> Really, stepping through it like that makes it sound longer and harder than 
> it is. Double press the home button, hold the phone to the reader, and rest a 
> finger on the home button for Touch ID. The only way it gets easier is if 
> you're using an Apple Watch. I hope this explains things some, and your next 
> attempt goes more smoothly.
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 3, 2018, at 00:34, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
>  I did not get that far. What I ran into was, simply put, not knowing yet how 
> to make the transaction. And I did not have the luxury of keeping the checker 
> waiting.
> 
>  I expected to use Touch ID but was prompted for the passcode.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/2/2018 9:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
> Hello E.T.,
> Your question is too broad in order to elicit a meaningful anser.
> However, I can tell you that today, both a friend and I were unsuccessful in 
> getting Apple Pay to work at three different terminals at three different 
> businesses, on each of our phones.  I have an 8 Plus and she has a 7 Plus.
> We surmised that the system was down or working very slowly.  This was the 
> first time, since Apple Pay was introduced, that I was not able to complete a 
> transaction, successfully.
> I called another friend of mine, who lives a couple of states away, and he, 
> too, was unsuccessful in completing a terminal-based Apple Pay transaction.
> So, I suggest that you wait a few days and give it another try, say, sometime 
> after Monday.
> Just so you know, a few minutes ago, I did successfully reload my Starbucks 
> card, via Apple Pay.  Keep in mind that doing so did not require a physical 
> terminal, as did my previous attempts, earlier today.
> Mark
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 5:24 PM
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: Apple Pay and Touch ID
>With my 8+ I ga

Re: Choosing my First MacBook, Air or Pro, and With or Without Touch Bar?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I wanted to add my own thoughts, having owned an Air and now a Pro with Touch 
Bar. I agree that the Bar is unnecessary, making a few things easier, a few 
harder, and not offering a distinct advantage for most users. That said, Touch 
ID is very nice to have, though if you own an Apple Watch, Touch ID is seldom 
used since your Watch can unlock your Mac.

All that said, remember that the non-Touch Bar Pro is less powerful overall. It 
also includes only two USBC ports, while the Touch Bar model has four. If 
connectivity is an issue and you don't want to buy a dock or hub, this is worth 
considering.

The Air is a good machine, too. My sister has had one since fall of 2013, and 
the computer is still perfectly fine. However, the Air can't handle intense 
applications as well as a Pro, so this decision depends on what you'll be using 
it for, as others have said. There is a rumor out today about a new Air coming 
out by the summer, so it's worth waiting to see what happens there.

Your final option is the Retina MacBook, a finless Mac powered by a mobile 
processor that's incredibly small and light. It's not that powerful, but if you 
just want a web browser, word processor, email machine, it might fit the bill. 
It costs more than the Air but less than the Pro, and includes just one USBC 
port on it. I don't generally recommend this unit, given its lack of power, but 
it could work well depending on your use case and size/weight needs.

Overall, I'd ask what you'll use the computer for, as that will inform the 
advice of everyone on this list. Any other details you can offer will help, 
too. Finally, I really suggest waiting until the summer or fall. I'd be 
surprised if the Pro didn't get some kind of update later this year, and the 
rumor mill is saying something about the Air as well.

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 14:36, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The only thing I can add to what others have said, is that one thing I find 
> much easier with the touch bar is inserting emojis. I also like having touch 
> ID.  Other than those two things, I'm not really crazy about the touch bar.  
> Much as I love the size and light weight of the Air, I share the concern that 
> it will be discontinued.  So, unless you're one of those people who uses 
> emojis every five words, I think you'd be just fine with an MBP without a 
> touch bar.
> 
> Good luck with your decision, and have fun!
> Cheers,
> Donna 
>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Janet Ingber <janet.ing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Randa,
>> A lot depends on what you want to do on the computer.  If you are just doing 
>> basic things like email, word processing, internet browsing, playing music, 
>> etc. then the Air is a good computer.   
>> 
>> The Touch Bar is a personal choice.  I now have a MacBook Pro with a Touch 
>> Bar, but I don’t use the Touch Bar that much. I just use keyboard commands 
>> most of the time.  Since you are an iPhone user you should have no 
>> difficulty  with the Touch Bar.
>> 
>> If the Air will meet your needs then I would go with that.  The Touch Bar is 
>> a nice feature but it’s a personal choice as to whether you want to spend 
>> the extra money.  Anything you can do on the Touch Bar can be done with 
>> keyboard commands.
>> 
>> There are a lot of very helpful people on this list to answer your 
>> questions.  Glad you read my book.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Janet
>>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Rhanda Hasley <rhanda.has...@sbcglobal.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m a long-time PC user with JAWS, but am now on the verge of buying my 
>>> first Mac.  For several years, I’ve also been an iPhone  user so am 
>>> familiar with VoiceOver, even though I realize the Mac is different and 
>>> involves a learning curve.  However, I love learning new skills so that 
>>> doesn’t bother me.  In fact, I’ve been studying various materials including 
>>> Janet Ingbergt’s books, and have looked at different Mac models.  I 
>>> definitely want a portable Macbook, as opposed to the Imacs, but am wanting 
>>> various perspectives on whether to get the Pro or the Air, as well as with 
>>> or without touch bars. I’m leaning toward getting a Pro, but know of many 
>>> people like the Air and are just as productive with it.  I’ve also read 
>>> that getting one without the touch bar would be less expensive.  In your 
>>> opinion, is the touch bar necessary or advantageous?  Or would I do just 
>>> fine without it?  Whichever way I go with this, I’m trying to get the most 
>>> for my money and want   a computer that will last m

Re: Apple Pay and Touch ID

[Alex Hall]

In general, the process is simply:

* from the lock screen or notifications center, press the home button twice
* your default card will be selected, but you can choose a different card if 
you have one
* hold the phone near the reader
* touch the home button to authenticate, or do what I do and just leave your 
finger there while holding the phone to the reader
* after a moment, the phone vibrates and chimes, and you're done

Really, stepping through it like that makes it sound longer and harder than it 
is. Double press the home button, hold the phone to the reader, and rest a 
finger on the home button for Touch ID. The only way it gets easier is if 
you're using an Apple Watch. I hope this explains things some, and your next 
attempt goes more smoothly.

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 00:34, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
>   I did not get that far. What I ran into was, simply put, not knowing yet 
> how to make the transaction. And I did not have the luxury of keeping the 
> checker waiting.
> 
>   I expected to use Touch ID but was prompted for the passcode.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/2/2018 9:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello E.T.,
>> Your question is too broad in order to elicit a meaningful anser.
>> However, I can tell you that today, both a friend and I were unsuccessful in 
>> getting Apple Pay to work at three different terminals at three different 
>> businesses, on each of our phones.  I have an 8 Plus and she has a 7 Plus.
>> We surmised that the system was down or working very slowly.  This was the 
>> first time, since Apple Pay was introduced, that I was not able to complete 
>> a transaction, successfully.
>> I called another friend of mine, who lives a couple of states away, and he, 
>> too, was unsuccessful in completing a terminal-based Apple Pay transaction.
>> So, I suggest that you wait a few days and give it another try, say, 
>> sometime after Monday.
>> Just so you know, a few minutes ago, I did successfully reload my Starbucks 
>> card, via Apple Pay.  Keep in mind that doing so did not require a physical 
>> terminal, as did my previous attempts, earlier today.
>> Mark
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 5:24 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Apple Pay and Touch ID
>> With my 8+ I gave this a try today did not succeed. What settings, and 
>> easiest procedures works here? Thanks.
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Portable Preferences and VO's activity message

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
A few days ago, there was a thread on this list about VO constantly saying 
"Voiceover settings activity" to the point where macOS was becoming frustrating 
to use. A suggestion was made to stop using portable preferences. I'm not sure 
how the original poster got on, but I tried that suggestion this morning. I 
stopped using portable preferences, and configured VO from scratch. So far, 
I've not had a single instance of a problem that used to happen once every few 
minutes. If you find this problem, try not using portable preferences. It 
worked for me. Thanks again to the person who suggested it. That prefs disk 
image has lived in my iCloud Drive or Dropbox so long, I'd almost forgotten I 
was running on it.

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Re: iPhone question.

[Alex Hall]

Best Buy has them, I believe. Here's the Apple website link for the product:
https://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/
Remember, though, that these are older devices. They run a CPU that's a few 
years out of date, and no one knows when or if a new one will arrive. An iPod 
should work for a few years, as should any iOS device, but it may well stop 
getting updates before long. Just food for thought.

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> On Feb 28, 2018, at 08:20, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Alex,
> I’ve used them in the past.
> Can you tell me how to find out how much the latest iPod touch would cost?
> 
> Blessings,
> 
>   Stacey Robinson
> 
> stacey...@bellsouth.net <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>
>> On Feb 28, 2018, at 6:14 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> There are also the screen protectors from Speed Dots. These give you dots in 
>> strategic locations, like the 5 on the keypad or where a back button usually 
>> is. The dots can't move, and some apps' controls won't line up with them, 
>> but they can be a big help if you find you need more tactile landmarks than 
>> the smooth glass of a screen. The website is www.speeddots.com 
>> <http://www.speeddots.com/>, and  believe www.atguys.com 
>> <http://www.atguys.com/>carries them as well.
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2018, at 02:51, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or with a smart phone get yourself a fold away keyboard that you can use to 
>>> type if you need to.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2018 3:46 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone question.
>>>  
>>> To my knowledge, smartphones and buttons simply don't go together anymore. 
>>> Physical buttons mean no touch screen, or at least a restricted one, which 
>>> means neither iOS nor Android will run on such a phone.
>>>  
>>> What you might consider is keeping an iPhone, or cellular iPad, for the 
>>> access and ecosystem you already have. Then, get a simple phone for actual 
>>> calls. With iMessages, you could still text on your iOS device, albeit 
>>> without SMS messaging, so all you'd lose would be VoiceOver's telling you 
>>> about call history and contacts. Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2018, at 21:36, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net 
>>> <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> I’ll be able to upgrade my iPhone soon and I am trying to decide what I 
>>> want to do.
>>> Sometimes I really miss a phone with buttons.
>>> Are there smart phones with buttons that blind people can use?
>>> I am with Verizon Wireless.
>>> Write off list if this is off topic.
>>>  
>>> Blessings,
>>>  
>>> Stacey Robinson
>>>  
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Re: wi fi headphones for my Macbook Pro

[Alex Hall]

For the record, you're looking for bluetooth headphone, not wifi. Just so your 
interactions with sales people go more smoothly.

As to which to buy, that depends on a number of factors. Apple's AirPods are 
quite popular, and will pair with your iPhone automatically. Once paired, you 
can use them on your Mac with no additional pairing needed. They sound good and 
don't even have a cable connecting the two earbuds, letting you keep them in a 
small case (which also charges them) in your pocket without fear of cables 
getting crimped or tangled. However, they don't block out ambient noise, and 
their onboard playback controls are very limited compared to others.

There are tons of other options. Earbuds, over-ear headphones, and more, all 
bluetooth. Some block a lot of sound rather like earplugs, others don't. Some 
have a cords, others don't. Some have great playback controls, some have less, 
some have none. Some are $25, some are then times that. Honestly, the best 
thing to do is to look online for recent bluetooth earbuds reviews and find 
some you really like, always assuming you don't just go for the AirPods. 
Incidentally, rumor has it that new AirPods will be released this year, so if 
you want some, you might want to get a cheap pair of earbuds and wait to see if 
AirPods get updated.

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> On Feb 28, 2018, at 05:41, 'andy' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi all.
>  
> When in a pub or cafe trying to get used to my 2014 Macbook Pro, I am very 
> much aware of the voice-over sounds around me whichenables others to pay 
> attention in what I'm doing.
>  
> I'm soon to visit the Apple store in Glasgow for help with an Iphone and was 
> wondering if I could possible also purchase a pair of small comfortable 
> wireless headphones and get them paired to my Macbook.
>  
> Never having had such an item, I'm not sure of what to ask for and how much 
> I'd likely have to pay.
>  
> Any advice including brand recommendations and pairing would help me a lot.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
> From Scotland with Love.
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Re: iPhone question.

[Alex Hall]

There are also the screen protectors from Speed Dots. These give you dots in 
strategic locations, like the 5 on the keypad or where a back button usually 
is. The dots can't move, and some apps' controls won't line up with them, but 
they can be a big help if you find you need more tactile landmarks than the 
smooth glass of a screen. The website is www.speeddots.com, and  believe 
www.atguys.com carries them as well.

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> On Feb 28, 2018, at 02:51, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Or with a smart phone get yourself a fold away keyboard that you can use to 
> type if you need to.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2018 3:46 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iPhone question.
>  
> To my knowledge, smartphones and buttons simply don't go together anymore. 
> Physical buttons mean no touch screen, or at least a restricted one, which 
> means neither iOS nor Android will run on such a phone.
>  
> What you might consider is keeping an iPhone, or cellular iPad, for the 
> access and ecosystem you already have. Then, get a simple phone for actual 
> calls. With iMessages, you could still text on your iOS device, albeit 
> without SMS messaging, so all you'd lose would be VoiceOver's telling you 
> about call history and contacts. Just a thought.
> 
> --
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>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Feb 27, 2018, at 21:36, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> <mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> I’ll be able to upgrade my iPhone soon and I am trying to decide what I want 
> to do.
> Sometimes I really miss a phone with buttons.
> Are there smart phones with buttons that blind people can use?
> I am with Verizon Wireless.
> Write off list if this is off topic.
>  
> Blessings,
>  
> Stacey Robinson
>  
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Re: iPhone question.

[Alex Hall]

To my knowledge, smartphones and buttons simply don't go together anymore. 
Physical buttons mean no touch screen, or at least a restricted one, which 
means neither iOS nor Android will run on such a phone.

What you might consider is keeping an iPhone, or cellular iPad, for the access 
and ecosystem you already have. Then, get a simple phone for actual calls. With 
iMessages, you could still text on your iOS device, albeit without SMS 
messaging, so all you'd lose would be VoiceOver's telling you about call 
history and contacts. Just a thought.

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> On Feb 27, 2018, at 21:36, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I’ll be able to upgrade my iPhone soon and I am trying to decide what I want 
> to do.
> Sometimes I really miss a phone with buttons.
> Are there smart phones with buttons that blind people can use?
> I am with Verizon Wireless.
> Write off list if this is off topic.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
>   Stacey Robinson
> 
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