Hiding preview pane in Mail?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview pane
in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering the
divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical
splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still
showing.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Scheduling a zoom meeting on Mac

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Has anyone successfully scheduled a zoom meeting on Mac recently?
I've done this in the past but not for quite some time and when I
tried just now it was very problematic.  When I was trying to type the
title of the event it kept jumping me either to the box to type
recipients or to the button to complete the schedule.  Eventually I
got to type the title but the other problem was trying to use the date
and time pickers.  With those I tried a mixture of quick nav on and
quick NAV off, using cursors  left and right, typing, pressing the
VoiceOver cursor and pressing enter.  Nothing seemed to work
consistently or understandably to me, eventually I managed to schedule
the time but I have no idea how or what I would do next time.  Also
once the event appeared in my calendar and I went into the context
menu the item to email all participants was dimmed and I don't know
why that would be.

Does anyone have any ideas how to use the date/time pickers?  And any
other info about how you schedule a meeting?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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Hi,

Sorry to come in with no offer of help but a rather basic question on
thids topic.  Am I right in thinking from the discussion here that
people are/have been able to use Vmware Fusion on silicon-based Macs?
And that that had been working fine until Sonoma came along?  The
reason I ask is because I used to use Fusion on an older, intel-based
Macbook but thought when I bought a newer (2021) Macbook that the
silicon-based Macs couldn't be used with Fusion.  I gather from this
discussion and just reading at
https://blogs.vmware.com/teamfusion/2023/02/microsoft-now-officially-supports-windows-on-mac-computers-with-apple-silicon.html
that that changed?  But now Fusion isn't working with Sonoma.  Is that
an accurate summary of the situation?

Thanks,
Catherine
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> How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it very
> tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid that.
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Re: Stopping zoom voice announcements?

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Hi,

Thanks for the suggestions.  I think my zoom is up-to-date because it
updated this evening just before I joined the meeting and had the
problem.  But I'll try your other workarounds...

Thanks,
Catherine

On 4/5/23, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> Two things. First, make sure you are updated to the latest Zoom as that
> seems to have finally stopped the problem for me at least. The only other
> work around I have found is to turn off VO for a couple minutes and then
> turn it back on. You will hear announcements while it is off, but they
> should go away once back on. Also, unless your group uses it,, if you can
> get the admin to disable the chat feature in meetings, that will make all
> those announcements go away. They will find that option in the advanced
> meeting settings.
>
>> On Apr 5, 2023, at 13:18, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Please does anyone know whether/how it's possible to stop the system
>> voice on Mac announcing things like "Catherine has joined this
>> channel" when using zoom?  I've gone into the preferences in zoom,
>> accessibility, screenreader and unticked everything, quit and
>> re-opened zoom and I'm still getting announcements all the time about
>> people having "joined this channel".  It's really annoying and makes
>> zoom basically unusable on large group calls.  Does this happen for
>> other people?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Stopping zoom voice announcements?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Please does anyone know whether/how it's possible to stop the system
voice on Mac announcing things like "Catherine has joined this
channel" when using zoom?  I've gone into the preferences in zoom,
accessibility, screenreader and unticked everything, quit and
re-opened zoom and I'm still getting announcements all the time about
people having "joined this channel".  It's really annoying and makes
zoom basically unusable on large group calls.  Does this happen for
other people?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: airdrop

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Do any  of the suggestions in this article help?:
https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/airdrop-not-working-fix/

Catherine
On 4/7/22, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> I have used airdrop in the past but today I can't get it to work. I'm
> sending to my Mac with my phone. I've pressed command-shift-R and nothing
> happens. I just hear "device list." my phone says "waiting" so obviously
> they're not connecting. I've updated to another osx since last time I used
> it and I also have a different phone. what do I need to do so they hear each
> other?
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> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Moving through headings on web pages?

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Hi,

Marvellous – thank you so much – this fix the problem.  I can only use
one hand so needing to press modifier keys makes a big difference to
the time it takes to move around quickly.  I must've accidentally
switched it off.

Thanks,
Catherine
On 3/31/22, Brett Lewis  wrote:
> Good morning.
> When I have experienced this it is usually because I have inadvertently
> turned off "single letter quick nav" which is VO+Q.
> I haven't really figured out the difference between the two quick nav
> related options: with the left and right arrows and the VO+Q but I would
> check VO+Q and hopefully that will help.
> Brett
>
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>> Hi,
>>
>> All of a sudden I am unable to move through headings on webpages by
>> pressing H.  This is also applying to other elements like I can't move
>> through check boxes by pressing see. I am imagining that somehow I
>> have altered a setting in VoiceOver perhaps accidentally by pressing a
>> certain keystroke.  Years ago when I got my first Mac I seem to
>> remember having to change the setting somewhere so that I could just
>> press H to move through headings instead of having to press VO plus
>> command plus H.  But I can't find information about this, Apple's
>> documentation that I have read so far tells me that to move through
>> headings I need to press VO plus command plus H.  But until today,
>> when I had quick NAV on, I could just press H.
>>
>> Please can anyone help? How can I set it up again so that I only have
>> to press H?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Moving through headings on web pages?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

All of a sudden I am unable to move through headings on webpages by
pressing H.  This is also applying to other elements like I can't move
through check boxes by pressing see. I am imagining that somehow I
have altered a setting in VoiceOver perhaps accidentally by pressing a
certain keystroke.  Years ago when I got my first Mac I seem to
remember having to change the setting somewhere so that I could just
press H to move through headings instead of having to press VO plus
command plus H.  But I can't find information about this, Apple's
documentation that I have read so far tells me that to move through
headings I need to press VO plus command plus H.  But until today,
when I had quick NAV on, I could just press H.

Please can anyone help? How can I set it up again so that I only have
to press H?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: Logging in on Macbook

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Hi Brad,

In my case, this doesn't seem to work.  If I type my password and
press Enter nothing happens.  The one time I got a sighted person to
look at it they said the password box was on the screen but nothing
was happening when I was typing.  It's like I have to bring  focus to
it by swiping on the trackpad...

Catherine

On 11/22/21, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> If I am correct, even though VoiceOver doesn’t specifically say anything
> about the password edit field, your keyboard focus is on the password edit
> field by default at start-up, so if you just go ahead and type your password
> and then press the Enter key, you should be good.
>
> - Brad -
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2021, at 15:27, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for all the responses.  So it's to be expected that I put a
> password in on startup and that's fine with me.  It just seems a bit
> odd that VO doesn't focus on the password field or say anything about
> it until I swipe on the trackpad...
>
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Re: Logging in on Macbook

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Hi all,

Thanks for all the responses.  So it's to be expected that I put a
password in on startup and that's fine with me.  It just seems a bit
odd that VO doesn't focus on the password field or say anything about
it until I swipe on the trackpad...

Catherine

On 11/20/21, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> Actually, I think what I said was that on a call start do you have to enter
> your password. I actually wasn’t certain whether you needed it into a
> password on a restart as I rarely restart my unit.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>
>> I agree, and I always use a password on my Mac.
>> However, you stated that entering a password after restarting a Mac is a
>> requirement, and this is not true.
>>
>> - Brad -
>>
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 11:43, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brad, actually, I’m glad you brought this up. This subject has come up
>> before. The issue with turning off the need for putting in a password is
>> problematic in my view. What if somebody steals your machine. Then they
>> have access to it. I think that’s a small price to pay to make certain
>> that your unit and that is protected. Just my opinion.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I believe the next update of MacOS makes this login a bit easier. But
>>> just like the iPhone requires a pass phrase after rebooting the Macintosh
>>> requires a password. This helps keep your system secure as the  finger
>>> print is encrypted in a way that uses your password and specific computer
>>> security chip.
>>>   Of course you can follow Brad's instructions and turn on automatic
>>> logins, but if your computer is leaving the house regularly as mine does,
>>> I don't recommend this. I believe that several conveniences might be
>>> disabled when bargains are automatic too.
>>> I find that happening the caps lock key will turn off the sticky mode.
>>> Another option would be to not use the caps lock he has a voiceover key.
>>> Let us know if you need additional instructions.
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 10:23, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I recently got a new Macbook and am a bit puzzled about what's meant
>>>> to happen when logging in.  On my nine years old Macbook, when VO
>>>> starts at the log-on screen, it says I'm in a scroll area, and from
>>>> there Ih select the user account and press it, then type in the
>>>> password.
>>>>
>>>> On the new one, the first thing VO says is "sticky keys on" (I do use
>>>> sticky keys and have them switched on).  As I did set up Touch Id and
>>>> ticked all the boxes for its use in System Preferences, I thought
>>>> after VO said anything I must be at the log-on screen  so put my
>>>> finger on the touch id but nothing happened.  A sighted person said
>>>> there was a box for me to type a password but when I typed nothing
>>>> happened.  It seems the only thing that brings focus to the password
>>>> field is me swiping on the trackpad.  When I do that, VO says
>>>> "Voiceover on" and announces the password field and I'm able to log
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm wondering if I should be able to log in using my finger?
>>>> Perhaps my finger's not consistent or the sensor needs wiping or
>>>> whatever which I can try but I just wanted to make sure I'm
>>>> understanding correctly when to place my finger.  Since I've only set
>>>> up one user account on this new macbook it's not surprising VO doesn't
>>>> let me know about a scroll area with users to pick from, but it seems
>>>> a bit odd to me that it doesn't say anything else other than "sticky
>>>> keys on" until I swipe on the trackpad.  Is this similar to other
>>>> people's experiences?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Catherine
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Logging in on Macbook

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I recently got a new Macbook and am a bit puzzled about what's meant
to happen when logging in.  On my nine years old Macbook, when VO
starts at the log-on screen, it says I'm in a scroll area, and from
there Ih select the user account and press it, then type in the
password.

On the new one, the first thing VO says is "sticky keys on" (I do use
sticky keys and have them switched on).  As I did set up Touch Id and
ticked all the boxes for its use in System Preferences, I thought
after VO said anything I must be at the log-on screen  so put my
finger on the touch id but nothing happened.  A sighted person said
there was a box for me to type a password but when I typed nothing
happened.  It seems the only thing that brings focus to the password
field is me swiping on the trackpad.  When I do that, VO says
"Voiceover on" and announces the password field and I'm able to log
in.

So I'm wondering if I should be able to log in using my finger?
Perhaps my finger's not consistent or the sensor needs wiping or
whatever which I can try but I just wanted to make sure I'm
understanding correctly when to place my finger.  Since I've only set
up one user account on this new macbook it's not surprising VO doesn't
let me know about a scroll area with users to pick from, but it seems
a bit odd to me that it doesn't say anything else other than "sticky
keys on" until I swipe on the trackpad.  Is this similar to other
people's experiences?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: File duplicate detector

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hello Kristeen,

I wonder if gemini would do this. I haven't used it, though I like
CleanMyMac which is made by the same people.  Here's a description of
gemini:
https://macpaw.com/gemini?ci=660423554=119596445245===dsa-699491479563=b=g=516040881274===gemini=CjwKCAjw092IBhAwEiwAxR1lRtVpukfLgXfOmjJnmx2mOr6f_bSz6Bm-6JrSmZsX_SuVpAfUSK5sARoC3x8QAvD_BwE

Catherine
On 8/14/21, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good app that can detect duplicate filenames that have
> different file extensions but the same text for the rest of the filename?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kristeen
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Telegram messenger

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Is anyone using telegram messenger?  I've got it on my iphone but have
trouble with it.  If I try and search for a user the screen seems to
go blank/VO won't read anything on the screen other than the cancel
button.  Also I did join a group a while ago which I expect has had
plenty of messages in it but I've not been notified of them.  So I
thought I'd look in settings and  tapped notifications but nothing on
the  screen seems to change after I tap notifications.

Is anyone getting on ok with this app and what platform are you using it on?

Thanks,
Catherine

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VO Reading from inactive tabs in Safari on the Mac

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I have a pretty old MacBook Pro and I’ve only just updated to sierra. I am
now having a problem in Safari that I’ve never experienced before. I’m
trying to read a webpage but voiceover keeps reading out what sounds like
snippets of information from some other tabs which are present bit which
are not the active tab I’m trying to read. It is making the use of Safari
impossible because the speech reading the inactive tab interrupts what I’m
trying to read and I cannot get it to stop or when I do get it to stop and
start reading what I want, in a few seconds it will start reading from an
inactive tab again. Is this a known bug or has anyone else experienced it?


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Re: Strange focus/reading problems in Safari on my iphone

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Thanks so much for this. I wasn’t really very familiar with the screen
recognition feature and this was what was causing the problem. Have
switched it off now. I agree that I do like image recognition to, find it
helpful and makes things more interesting.

Catherine

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 18:16, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I have to agree with Brett hear about the screen recognition feature. I
> have found it to do nothing but cause problems with apps and Safari. It may
> have a future but currently it really screws up the performance of apps and
> the Internet. I would definitely try turning it off completely from within
> voiceover/voice recognition settings. Image descriptions on the other hand
> are somewhat useful and don’t cause performance problems at all.
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Brett Lewis 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Do you have the screen recognition turned on by any chance?
> > This is under settings accessibility voiceover and voiceover recognition.
> > Make sure it’s turned off for safari. I should note you can add it to
> the rotor and then turn it on for each app as you move, I just don’t know
> if it’s part of your rotor.
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:45 AM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm having a weird problem with safari on my iphone which basically
> >> makes safari unusable.  When I try to edit/type a web address, VO does
> >> not read the keyboard, though I'm told by a sighted person that it's
> >> there - VO just makes those sounds on it like it does when there's
> >> nothing on the screen.  Even if I double tap where the keys show,
> >> nothing appears in the address bar.  Additionally, the buttons at the
> >> bottom of safari for "back", "forward", "bookmarks" e.t.c. are just
> >> announced by VO as "left arrow" for back, "right arrow" for forward
> >> and nothing at all except "tab" for the others - it calls them "tab"
> >> instead of "button" like it does normally.  Apparently the icons for
> >> those buttons do look different to normal.
> >>
> >> If I view a page via the gmail app - where it opens the link kind of
> >> in safari within gmail - all is normal and fine.  But if I press that
> >> button which says "open in safari" it goes to the normal safari and
> >> goes wrong/odd again.
> >>
> >> I tried closing all the tabs, quitting and restarting safari,
> >> restarting my phone and restarting VO which made no difference.
> >>
> >> Does this ring any bells for anyone?
> >>
> >> I checked to see if there any ios updates available and there aren't.
> >> The only other thing I can think of that might have made a difference
> >> was that yesterday, in between the time safari was working normally
> >> and when it started behaving oddly, I put in a lightning to 3.5mm
> >> adapter to use some earphones.  When I put it in, the phone asked me
> >> whether this accessory was to use headphones and I said yes.  It also
> >> said something about being able to change this option later somewhere.
> >> I'm no longer using the adapter as I was borrowing it for a few hours.
> >> But I'm wondering if somehow that made safari go wrong.  But I can't
> >> find where to change that option - have looked everywhere I can think
> >> and searched in settings.  Perhaps anything relating to that adapter
> >> would only appear when I connect it again.  I'm going to borrow it
> >> again but has anyone any idea where I'd look for info about/to change
> >> options relating to that adapter?
> >>
> >> If not, I guess it's a phone reset...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Catherine
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Strange focus/reading problems in Safari on my iphone

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I'm having a weird problem with safari on my iphone which basically
makes safari unusable.  When I try to edit/type a web address, VO does
not read the keyboard, though I'm told by a sighted person that it's
there - VO just makes those sounds on it like it does when there's
nothing on the screen.  Even if I double tap where the keys show,
nothing appears in the address bar.  Additionally, the buttons at the
bottom of safari for "back", "forward", "bookmarks" e.t.c. are just
announced by VO as "left arrow" for back, "right arrow" for forward
and nothing at all except "tab" for the others - it calls them "tab"
instead of "button" like it does normally.  Apparently the icons for
those buttons do look different to normal.

If I view a page via the gmail app - where it opens the link kind of
in safari within gmail - all is normal and fine.  But if I press that
button which says "open in safari" it goes to the normal safari and
goes wrong/odd again.

I tried closing all the tabs, quitting and restarting safari,
restarting my phone and restarting VO which made no difference.

Does this ring any bells for anyone?

I checked to see if there any ios updates available and there aren't.
The only other thing I can think of that might have made a difference
was that yesterday, in between the time safari was working normally
and when it started behaving oddly, I put in a lightning to 3.5mm
adapter to use some earphones.  When I put it in, the phone asked me
whether this accessory was to use headphones and I said yes.  It also
said something about being able to change this option later somewhere.
I'm no longer using the adapter as I was borrowing it for a few hours.
But I'm wondering if somehow that made safari go wrong.  But I can't
find where to change that option - have looked everywhere I can think
and searched in settings.  Perhaps anything relating to that adapter
would only appear when I connect it again.  I'm going to borrow it
again but has anyone any idea where I'd look for info about/to change
options relating to that adapter?

If not, I guess it's a phone reset...

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: Amadeus Pro insertion point question

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Hi Brandon,

Ah - thanks for explaining your strategy - this helps me :-)

Catherine

On 1/4/21, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yeah you’re right, but I sync the two heads quite a bit as I find it easier
> that way. CMD+Y = move insertion point to play head, and CMD+shift+Y = move
> play head to insertion point. So I find the place I want with the play head,
> then move the insertion point there. Or if I’m at a certain insertion point
> and I play ahead to see where I am, I can jump back to the insertion point
> by moving the play head there.
>
> Works for me. No idea if this is how most people do it.
>
> Brandon
>
> “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s
> Paradise Lost
>
>
>
>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:05 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brandon,
>>
>> Thanks for the tip about pressing Cmd g.  So that tells me the
>> location of the insertion point right?  But when you say you press
>> space to see where you are - that's  the playhead right?  Which is
>> different from the insertion point...?
>>
>> Catherine
>>
>> On 1/3/21, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>>> No pressing the arrow keys won’t make any noise. Generally I press space
>>> to
>>> see where I am, or cmd+G to get the current location in minutes and
>>> seconds.
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>> “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s
>>> Paradise Lost
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: Amadeus Pro insertion point question

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Hi Robert,

Thanks for this link - found these helpful.

Catherine

On 1/4/21, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
> Here are some audio demos.
> http://blindabilities.com/?s=Amadeus
>
>
>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:53 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am new to using Amadeus Pro and am working my way through Jonathan
>> Mosen's tutorial - though it's a few years old, I'm hoping I can still
>> learn a lot from it.
>>
>> I'm having a problem understanding what's going on with the insertion
>> point while the music is not playing.  In the tutorial, it says that
>> while the file is not playing, pressing left and right arrows will
>> move the insertion point.  Then he demonstrates this by saying "if I
>> press the left arrow key we're at the beginning of the file" and we
>> hear some audio playing.  But when I press left arrow with the file
>> paused, I don't hear audio.  He then goes on to talk about how it just
>> so happens the insertion point is where he wants it to make the cut he
>> wants.  But I don't understand how he knows where the insertion point
>> is.
>>
>> So I'm wondering whether, while sound is not playing, pressing the
>> left/right arrow keys is supposed to make some sound play.  If not,
>> how can we know where the insertion point is?  Perhaps this behaviour
>> has changed with later versions of Amadeus.  Or perhaps in the
>> tutorial he's doing something else he doesn't describe to make the
>> sound at the insertion point play - though this seems very unlikely.
>>
>> Please can anyone help me understand what's meant to happen to the
>> insertion point when we move it with the file not playing?  And/or how
>> can I find out where the insertion point is?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Re: Amadeus Pro insertion point question

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brandon,

Thanks for the tip about pressing Cmd g.  So that tells me the
location of the insertion point right?  But when you say you press
space to see where you are - that's  the playhead right?  Which is
different from the insertion point...?

Catherine

On 1/3/21, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> No pressing the arrow keys won’t make any noise. Generally I press space to
> see where I am, or cmd+G to get the current location in minutes and
> seconds.
>
> Brandon
>
> “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s
> Paradise Lost
>
>
>
>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:53 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am new to using Amadeus Pro and am working my way through Jonathan
>> Mosen's tutorial - though it's a few years old, I'm hoping I can still
>> learn a lot from it.
>>
>> I'm having a problem understanding what's going on with the insertion
>> point while the music is not playing.  In the tutorial, it says that
>> while the file is not playing, pressing left and right arrows will
>> move the insertion point.  Then he demonstrates this by saying "if I
>> press the left arrow key we're at the beginning of the file" and we
>> hear some audio playing.  But when I press left arrow with the file
>> paused, I don't hear audio.  He then goes on to talk about how it just
>> so happens the insertion point is where he wants it to make the cut he
>> wants.  But I don't understand how he knows where the insertion point
>> is.
>>
>> So I'm wondering whether, while sound is not playing, pressing the
>> left/right arrow keys is supposed to make some sound play.  If not,
>> how can we know where the insertion point is?  Perhaps this behaviour
>> has changed with later versions of Amadeus.  Or perhaps in the
>> tutorial he's doing something else he doesn't describe to make the
>> sound at the insertion point play - though this seems very unlikely.
>>
>> Please can anyone help me understand what's meant to happen to the
>> insertion point when we move it with the file not playing?  And/or how
>> can I find out where the insertion point is?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
>>
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Amadeus Pro insertion point question

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I am new to using Amadeus Pro and am working my way through Jonathan
Mosen's tutorial - though it's a few years old, I'm hoping I can still
learn a lot from it.

I'm having a problem understanding what's going on with the insertion
point while the music is not playing.  In the tutorial, it says that
while the file is not playing, pressing left and right arrows will
move the insertion point.  Then he demonstrates this by saying "if I
press the left arrow key we're at the beginning of the file" and we
hear some audio playing.  But when I press left arrow with the file
paused, I don't hear audio.  He then goes on to talk about how it just
so happens the insertion point is where he wants it to make the cut he
wants.  But I don't understand how he knows where the insertion point
is.

So I'm wondering whether, while sound is not playing, pressing the
left/right arrow keys is supposed to make some sound play.  If not,
how can we know where the insertion point is?  Perhaps this behaviour
has changed with later versions of Amadeus.  Or perhaps in the
tutorial he's doing something else he doesn't describe to make the
sound at the insertion point play - though this seems very unlikely.

Please can anyone help me understand what's meant to happen to the
insertion point when we move it with the file not playing?  And/or how
can I find out where the insertion point is?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: Navigating by page/discovering page number in Voice Dream Reader?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Phil,

Thanks for the info.  I’ve trid a different book now.which does work
properly with page numbers and navigation so itmust be the particular book
not having the page info embedded which is a shame.  I will have to try
reading it a different way on my computer instead I think.

Thanks for all the help with Voice Dream Reader, I’m making better use of
it now in any case.

Catherine

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 02:25, Phil Halton  wrote:
Not all EPUB books have that information. They can be very very plain, or
very highly stylized depending on the author. Some books have chapters and
headings and highlights and page numbers, others have some combination
thereof or even none of the above. It really does depend on the author. If
your navigation options don’t show page then that is an indication that
this EPUB or whatever format book does not have page information embedded.



Sent from my IPhone





> On Oct 21, 2020, at 12:28 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>

> Hi Kerry, all,

>

> H, what a puzzle.  I updated to the latest version of Voice Dream

> Reader just in case that was making a difference but still with this

> epub book, no ability to move by page and no information about the

> page I'm on.  In the Navigation Units I have Bookmark, Highlight,

> Heading, Paragraph, Sentence, 60 seconds, 30 seconds and 15 seconds

> but no Page.  And in the info about where I am, I just have a

> percentage and what seem to be estimates of the amount of time already

> read and that remaining.

>

> I wonder if it's something about this particular book.  Has anyone any

> suggestions of sources of any epub books I could just try out to see

> if they work better?

>

> Also, has anyone any other suggestions as to how I could go about

> reading an epub on the iphone, being able to copy/paste from the book

> and realise which page I'm on for the sake of referencing in an

> academic document?  Perhaps I could try converting the epub to text

> but I'm not sure whether that would retain the page numbering

> information...

>

> Thanks,

> Catherine

>

>> On 10/20/20, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:

>> Hi again,

>>

>> I found page on the navigation unit lit right after paragraph, so not
sure

>> why yours is being naughty.

>>

>> As to discovering the page number, if you flick past the length of time

>> remaining in the document you’re currently reading, you will hear a bit

>> about which page you’r eon and how many pages there ar eint he document.
Now

>> this does not mean that you will know which page of the book you’re on.

>> What I mean is that your document may have 25 physical pages, but the
first

>> 3 may be roman numerals and page 4 is in actuality page 1 if you take my

>> meaning.

>>

>> Others may have better advice for you onthisone, but hope I’ve started
some

>> wheels turning.

>> Kerry

>>

>>> On 20 Oct 2020, at 9:51 AM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries

>>>  wrote:

>>>

>>> Hi,

>>>

>>> In Voice Dream Reader, is it possible to navigate by page and/or find

>>> out what page number I'm currently reading?  I read somewhere that

>>> navigation by page was possible but "page" isn't in the available list

>>> of navigation units when I swipe up and down on the "navigation unit"

>>> button.  This is an epub file.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Catherine

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Re: Navigating by page/discovering page number in Voice Dream Reader?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Kerry, all,

H, what a puzzle.  I updated to the latest version of Voice Dream
Reader just in case that was making a difference but still with this
epub book, no ability to move by page and no information about the
page I'm on.  In the Navigation Units I have Bookmark, Highlight,
Heading, Paragraph, Sentence, 60 seconds, 30 seconds and 15 seconds
but no Page.  And in the info about where I am, I just have a
percentage and what seem to be estimates of the amount of time already
read and that remaining.

I wonder if it's something about this particular book.  Has anyone any
suggestions of sources of any epub books I could just try out to see
if they work better?

Also, has anyone any other suggestions as to how I could go about
reading an epub on the iphone, being able to copy/paste from the book
and realise which page I'm on for the sake of referencing in an
academic document?  Perhaps I could try converting the epub to text
but I'm not sure whether that would retain the page numbering
information...

Thanks,
Catherine

On 10/20/20, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> I found page on the navigation unit lit right after paragraph, so not sure
> why yours is being naughty.
>
> As to discovering the page number, if you flick past the length of time
> remaining in the document you’re currently reading, you will hear a bit
> about which page you’r eon and how many pages there ar eint he document. Now
> this does not mean that you will know which page of the book you’re on.
> What I mean is that your document may have 25 physical pages, but the first
> 3 may be roman numerals and page 4 is in actuality page 1 if you take my
> meaning.
>
> Others may have better advice for you onthisone, but hope I’ve started some
> wheels turning.
> Kerry
>
>> On 20 Oct 2020, at 9:51 AM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In Voice Dream Reader, is it possible to navigate by page and/or find
>> out what page number I'm currently reading?  I read somewhere that
>> navigation by page was possible but "page" isn't in the available list
>> of navigation units when I swipe up and down on the "navigation unit"
>> button.  This is an epub file.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Hi,

In Voice Dream Reader, is it possible to navigate by page and/or find
out what page number I'm currently reading?  I read somewhere that
navigation by page was possible but "page" isn't in the available list
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Re: Selecting text in Voice Dream Reader?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hello Kerry,

Marvellous - thanks for your help, this works great.  And in fact I
now noticed the hint from VO which gave instructions to this effect,
was a bit tired when I last tried...

I have another Voice Dream Reader question but will put it in a
separate thread...

Thanks,
Catherine

On 10/19/20, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> Hi Kathren,
>
> Its a bit finicky, but it does work.
> Flick the button that says to select text startat …
> Double-tap there, then flick down with 1 finger to select by word or 3
> fingers and it will select in chunks until you want to stop.
> Then double tap and a menu will come up and choose copy and then go where
> you need to paste it.
>
> If you need any help, I can set up a quick zoom call if you need.
>
> HTH
> Kerry
>
>
>> On 19 Oct 2020, at 4:47 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I believe in Voice Dream Reader we're meant to be able to select text
>> and then copy it but I can't work out how to do this.
>>
>> I've tried two ways:
>> 1.  In the text, using the rotor setting to select some text.  VO says
>> the text is selected but I don't seem to be able to do anything with
>> it after that.  There's no rotor setting for Edit like there usually
>> is when copying is an option.  There's a button for "Headings
>> Bookmarks and Highlights" but if I press that button and go in there
>> and select "highlights", it says there are zero highlights.
>>
>> 2.   I used the "Select Text" button and again it says text is
>> selected but I have the same problem already described - not being
>> able  to copy the text I've  apparently selected/being told there are
>> no highlights.
>>
>> Please can anyone help?  What can I do once text is selected?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Selecting text in Voice Dream Reader?

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Hi,

I believe in Voice Dream Reader we're meant to be able to select text
and then copy it but I can't work out how to do this.

I've tried two ways:
1.  In the text, using the rotor setting to select some text.  VO says
the text is selected but I don't seem to be able to do anything with
it after that.  There's no rotor setting for Edit like there usually
is when copying is an option.  There's a button for "Headings
Bookmarks and Highlights" but if I press that button and go in there
and select "highlights", it says there are zero highlights.

2.   I used the "Select Text" button and again it says text is
selected but I have the same problem already described - not being
able  to copy the text I've  apparently selected/being told there are
no highlights.

Please can anyone help?  What can I do once text is selected?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Orbit Reader with Mac?

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Hi,

Is anyone using the Orbit Reader 20 braille display with Mac?  I've
got the Orbit working fine with my iphone but can't get it to work
with Mac.  I'm using OS 10.11.6 and according to the Orbit manual it
should work with 10.11.  I've tried USB and bluetooth, and I've tried
it in emulation mode for the Refreshabraille 18 but not working at
all.  Is anyone here using the Orbit with a Mac and what version of OS
are you on, or has anyone any ideas?

Thanks,
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Passwords in Safari problem

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Hi,

I'm having a problem with Safari not filling in passwords for me and
wondering if anyone can help.

There's a website asking me to log in which I thought I'd told Safari
to remember the password for.  But it's not already filled in.  So I
typed what I thought was the password in and then Safari asked me if I
want it to update the stored password.  So obviously it is storing the
password.  So I can't understand why it hasn't filled it in.  In
Safari preferences autofill all the checkboxes are checked.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
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Re: CleanMyMac question

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Hi,

Ah thanks for looking at it.  Well my VO isn't saying "window" much
either - but saying "unknown" when I move around inside the table.

I use Quick Nav a fair bit because things are pretty inefficient for
me without it as I can only use one hand and rely on sticky keys.

Thanks,
Catherine

On 1/22/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> Catherine,
> I fooled around in the app. When I first open it, VO says 'Clean My
> Mac window'. That is really the only time I hear 'window'. I changed
> verbosity settings which had no effect. I avoid Quick Nav most times. Up
> and down arrows and tab seem to be all I need. I cannot think what else
> to look at.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
> On 1/22/2019 12:24 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ah thanks for the info.  Well I've made some progress in that, inside
>> the first table, if I have Quick Nav off and just arrow up and down it
>> successfully moves through the table but VO still just keeps saying
>> "unknown".  But after I move in that table, then get out of it I'm
>> able to read the explanation of what I've selected in the table so
>> I'll be able to use it - I just feel disappointed because in
>> CleanMyMac 3 I was able to read every part of the screen.  Are you
>> saying that you are able to read  the items in that table?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
>>
>> On 1/19/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> wrote:
>>> Catherine,
>>>  I've been running CMM X since just before Mojave.
>>>
>>>  Voiceover works fine. I think the confusion lies with navigation
>>> which seems not to be consistent. Try using just arrow keys and tab key.
>>> Depending on which tool you select, there may be 2 or 3 windows. The
>>> first one contains the tools. Most times I run the smart scan which the
>>> app opens to so I VO-end to the scan button then again when it finishes,
>>> VO-end to the run button ti di the clean up.
>>>
>>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2019 1:49 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Until recently I used CleanMyMac to clean up my system but it prompted
>>>> me a few times to try the new CleanMyMac x and today I tried the
>>>> latter.  But I'm having problems reading the screen.  When it opened
>>>> there were two windows open - one of which had a table in it among
>>>> other things.  In the old CleanMyMac 3 there was a table containing
>>>> various cleanup tools, I would choose one from the table and press
>>>> "scan".  But in CleanMyMac x VO was unable to read the items in the
>>>> table - just kept saying "unknown".  I looked at the other window and
>>>> in that there was just a "scan" button which I pressed, thinking maybe
>>>> after it had scanned VO would be able to read the items in the table.
>>>> It finished scanning but still I wasn't able to read the items in that
>>>> table and basically I'm not sure what to do next and would want to
>>>> know what I'm going to delete before I do so.
>>>>
>>>> There is a button saying something like "unlock full version" so I'm
>>>> wondering if maybe those items in the table are disabled until you buy
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone using CleanMyMac x and are you able to read those items in
>>>> the table?  Does anyone recall trying out the product and whether you
>>>> were able to read the table then?  I don't want to buy it if I can't
>>>> read everything.  Perhaps I don't need to worry about the table - if
>>>> anyone's using CleanMyMac x could you describe how you go about using
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Catherine
>>>>
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Re: CleanMyMac question

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Ah thanks for the info.  Well I've made some progress in that, inside
the first table, if I have Quick Nav off and just arrow up and down it
successfully moves through the table but VO still just keeps saying
"unknown".  But after I move in that table, then get out of it I'm
able to read the explanation of what I've selected in the table so
I'll be able to use it - I just feel disappointed because in
CleanMyMac 3 I was able to read every part of the screen.  Are you
saying that you are able to read  the items in that table?

Thanks,
Catherine

On 1/19/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> Catherine,
> I've been running CMM X since just before Mojave.
>
> Voiceover works fine. I think the confusion lies with navigation
> which seems not to be consistent. Try using just arrow keys and tab key.
> Depending on which tool you select, there may be 2 or 3 windows. The
> first one contains the tools. Most times I run the smart scan which the
> app opens to so I VO-end to the scan button then again when it finishes,
> VO-end to the run button ti di the clean up.
>
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> On 1/19/2019 1:49 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Until recently I used CleanMyMac to clean up my system but it prompted
>> me a few times to try the new CleanMyMac x and today I tried the
>> latter.  But I'm having problems reading the screen.  When it opened
>> there were two windows open - one of which had a table in it among
>> other things.  In the old CleanMyMac 3 there was a table containing
>> various cleanup tools, I would choose one from the table and press
>> "scan".  But in CleanMyMac x VO was unable to read the items in the
>> table - just kept saying "unknown".  I looked at the other window and
>> in that there was just a "scan" button which I pressed, thinking maybe
>> after it had scanned VO would be able to read the items in the table.
>> It finished scanning but still I wasn't able to read the items in that
>> table and basically I'm not sure what to do next and would want to
>> know what I'm going to delete before I do so.
>>
>> There is a button saying something like "unlock full version" so I'm
>> wondering if maybe those items in the table are disabled until you buy
>> it.
>>
>> Is anyone using CleanMyMac x and are you able to read those items in
>> the table?  Does anyone recall trying out the product and whether you
>> were able to read the table then?  I don't want to buy it if I can't
>> read everything.  Perhaps I don't need to worry about the table - if
>> anyone's using CleanMyMac x could you describe how you go about using
>> it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
>>
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CleanMyMac question

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Until recently I used CleanMyMac to clean up my system but it prompted
me a few times to try the new CleanMyMac x and today I tried the
latter.  But I'm having problems reading the screen.  When it opened
there were two windows open - one of which had a table in it among
other things.  In the old CleanMyMac 3 there was a table containing
various cleanup tools, I would choose one from the table and press
"scan".  But in CleanMyMac x VO was unable to read the items in the
table - just kept saying "unknown".  I looked at the other window and
in that there was just a "scan" button which I pressed, thinking maybe
after it had scanned VO would be able to read the items in the table.
It finished scanning but still I wasn't able to read the items in that
table and basically I'm not sure what to do next and would want to
know what I'm going to delete before I do so.

There is a button saying something like "unlock full version" so I'm
wondering if maybe those items in the table are disabled until you buy
it.

Is anyone using CleanMyMac x and are you able to read those items in
the table?  Does anyone recall trying out the product and whether you
were able to read the table then?  I don't want to buy it if I can't
read everything.  Perhaps I don't need to worry about the table - if
anyone's using CleanMyMac x could you describe how you go about using
it?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: Items in the Trash still being used, how to quit completely?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

When I've had this problem sometimes a reboot will solve it and
sometimes I've had to use CleanMyMac to get around it.

Catherine

On 1/19/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> If you go to the dock and up arrow on the trash icon, select open,
> you can look at it in the Finder. It could be a system file which may
> offer a clue.
>
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> On 1/18/2019 4:46 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’m trying to empty the trash on my Mac Book Air, El Capitan, which I
>> might not be able to upgrade.  But while it’s trying to empty, I keep
>> getting the alert that the file or folder cannot be deleted because it’s
>> in use.  I forced Text Edit to quit and relaunched Finder.  What else
>> can I try?
>>
>> Thanks,
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Re: Does anyone know if it’s possible to play your iTunes library using Alexa?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Well I haven't tried this myself yet but apparently there are ways
around it.  Have a read of this:
https://www.techhive.com/article/3257787/speakers/how-to-play-music-you-own-on-an-amazon-echo.html

Catherine

On 1/14/19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Hey Simon,
>
> I don't think you can play your library on an Eco, except through Apple
> music.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>
>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 12:05 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Donna,
>>
>> From your phone yes, anything that is internal to your phones music
>> collection  you can play through alexa.
>>
>> Also apple music is available through amazon alexa now or at least on echo
>> devices.
>>
>> I've been trying to get my itunes library from my server to be seen by my
>> echo but I've had no luck.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>
>> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2019 4:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Does anyone know if it’s possible to play your iTunes library
>> using Alexa?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After about a month of trying to set up a smart home using Apple home, my
>> husband and I have finally given up and gone with Alexa. I would very much
>> like to be able to play my iTunes library on our Alexa device. Does anyone
>> know if there’s a way to do this?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: How do I access applications

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Ah yes, good point.  Though they may do other things when an open or
save dialog is not open e.g. in Safari, Command Shift A is for
auto-filling forms.

Catherine

On 12/24/18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just to add to this info.  While cmd-shift-a opens the Applications folder
> when in the Finder for actual opening of the apps and such, this keyboard
> shortcut is not limited to only the Finder, it also works anywhere you use
> an Open or Save Dialog as well.  The keyboard shortcuts under the Go menu
> are system wide shortcuts.  So, commands like cmd-shift-d for Desktop,
> cmd-shift-h for your Home directory, cmd-shift-a for Applications,
> cmd-shift-c for Computer and more, all work in the Finder, and in Open and
> Save dialogs.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Dec 24, 2018, at 03:32, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Just to add, because I don't think anyone's said so so far, you need
> to be in Finder for the keystroke Command Shift A to work.  So to
> explore the apps and open one of them here's a Finder method.  Note I
> would have Quick Nav off while doing this and my view in Finder is set
> to columns which might affect things, so if it doesn't work let us
> know:
>
> Hold down Command and repeatedly press Tab until VO says "Finder",
> then let go of Command.  This switches you to Finder.
> Press Command Shift A which is the shortcut to the apps folder.
> Arrow up and down to go through the list of apps.  When you find one
> you want to open, press Command down arrow, which will open it.
>
> Catherine
>
>
>
> On 12/24/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Yes but this is not a voiceover command,
>> This is a standard apple shortcut to open the applications folder.
>>
>> Or you can just do a VO key + m to open the finder menus
>> Then right arrow until the go menu and scrole down to see what is there
>> and
>> the associated shortcut keys for each.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
>> Sent: Sunday, 23 December 2018 10:42 AM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: How do I access applications
>>
>> if you have voice over on, you should be able to press command-shift-A
>> and
>> it'll put you in Applications.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Shirley Healy
>> mailto:shirley1...@eircom.net>> wrote:
>>
>> How do I access a list of applications on my mac?
>> and when I get to one I want to open, say for example my mail ap, how do
>> you
>> open it up so you can use it
>> shirley
>>
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Re: How do I access applications

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Just to add, because I don't think anyone's said so so far, you need
to be in Finder for the keystroke Command Shift A to work.  So to
explore the apps and open one of them here's a Finder method.  Note I
would have Quick Nav off while doing this and my view in Finder is set
to columns which might affect things, so if it doesn't work let us
know:

Hold down Command and repeatedly press Tab until VO says "Finder",
then let go of Command.  This switches you to Finder.
Press Command Shift A which is the shortcut to the apps folder.
Arrow up and down to go through the list of apps.  When you find one
you want to open, press Command down arrow, which will open it.

Catherine



On 12/24/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Yes but this is not a voiceover command,
> This is a standard apple shortcut to open the applications folder.
>
> Or you can just do a VO key + m to open the finder menus
> Then right arrow until the go menu and scrole down to see what is there and
> the associated shortcut keys for each.
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Sunday, 23 December 2018 10:42 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: How do I access applications
>
> if you have voice over on, you should be able to press command-shift-A and
> it'll put you in Applications.
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Shirley Healy
> mailto:shirley1...@eircom.net>> wrote:
>
> How do I access a list of applications on my mac?
> and when I get to one I want to open, say for example my mail ap, how do you
> open it up so you can use it
> shirley
>
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Re: Will my computer continue downloading while sleeping?

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I don't know for sure, but I think this is to do with whether you have
the computer to sleep or the display to sleep.  I don't know how
you're putting yours to sleep or whether it applies to Mac minis, but
I use the energy saver settings for my macbook and there's a
difference between computer sleep and display sleep so maybe when the
computer sleeps it doesn't continue downloading, whereas if you just
put the display to sleep it should continue.

Catherine

On 10/10/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> I set my studio mac mini computer to sleep after 5 mintes, but
> yesterday, I need to leave it downloading a bing thing, so, when I
> came today, I don't know if he was downloading or not, I saw some
> progress, but not the progress that I was looking for in about 12
> hours,
> so, in this issue, what can I do?
> must I disable sleeping or what?
>
>
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Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

I too get sick when people whine - including when people whine about
words/sentiments that weren't even expressed in the first place.

I didn't want to start people off venting about the problems of the
blindness community.  I only wondered how the quitting/loading of VO
and accessing home and the app switcher could be done without a home
button - wondering how something can be done does not equal saying it
can't be done.  I am curious and hopeful to see how this pans out; at
the same time, yes, a little concerned as sometimes when changes
happen, usability can become problematic or other problems arise - but
I am not whining.  I am wondering and imagining and questioning, and
there is nothing wrong with that.

Catherine

On 9/13/17, Raymond Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I’m backing my friend Krister on this point.  Frankly, I am getting just
> plain sick and tired of al these blind people whining that something is
> going to suck or not be usable even before we know all the details of how it
> works.  Talk about a drain on one’s energy.
>
>
> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the
> blind:
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The constantly barefooted Ray
>
>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Why do blind people always have to invent worst case scenarios even when
>> the phone hasn’t come out yet? Ok, ok before you say anything i was also
>> doubtful for many years, wondering how Apple would solve this or that,
>> turned out they did and did it good at that.
>> At tha risk of getting flamed, but hell i’ve been that before and
>> survived, one thing the apple user base could learn from the Android one
>> is to show some appreciation for what is being done. Every time Talkback
>> comes out, even if its features are virtually useless for some, they get
>> praise, but every time Voiceover comes out the negative always outways the
>> positive and it lasts for months on end. Is Voiceover really *that* bad or
>> am i stupid and unintelligent, and if it sucks so hard, why is it that
>> after eight months in Android land i left probably not to return again and
>> went back to iOs?
>> /Krister
>>
>>
>>> 13 sep. 2017 kl. 08:03 skrev 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>>
>>> Also without a home button I wonder how we'll start/stop VO, use the
>>> app switcher and get to home.  Probably using the app switcher and
>>> going home could be done with gestures but what about
>>> starting/quitting VO...?
>>>
>>> Catherine
>>>
>>> On 9/13/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> Interesting,
>>>>
>>>> Samsung have a full screen no buttons face recognition and a finger
>>>> print
>>>> sensor.
>>>>
>>>> Why can’t apple do that also.
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017 3:40 PM
>>>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org <mailto:macvoiceo...@freelists.org>;
>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>;
>>>> viph...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>>>> Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo
>>>>
>>>> [Image removed by sender.]
>>>> Enlarge<https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg
>>>> <https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg>> /
>>>> This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.
>>>>
>>>> The all-new iPhone
>>>> X<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/
>>>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/>>
>>>> is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed
>>>> with
>>>> is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for
>>>> a
>>>> nearly 

Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Excuse me but I wasn't "inventing worse case scenarios".  I was
reasonably and legitimately wondering how we will do certain things
without the home button, not saying we wouldn't be able to - I
speculated on how it could be done.  And by the way I am pleased with
Voiceover, though it has problems as well.  You inferred a lot from my
message that wasn't actually there.

Catherine

On 9/13/17, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
> Why do blind people always have to invent worst case scenarios even when the
> phone hasn’t come out yet? Ok, ok before you say anything i was also
> doubtful for many years, wondering how Apple would solve this or that,
> turned out they did and did it good at that.
> At tha risk of getting flamed, but hell i’ve been that before and survived,
> one thing the apple user base could learn from the Android one is to show
> some appreciation for what is being done. Every time Talkback comes out,
> even if its features are virtually useless for some, they get praise, but
> every time Voiceover comes out the negative always outways the positive and
> it lasts for months on end. Is Voiceover really *that* bad or am i stupid
> and unintelligent, and if it sucks so hard, why is it that after eight
> months in Android land i left probably not to return again and went back to
> iOs?
> /Krister
>
>
>> 13 sep. 2017 kl. 08:03 skrev 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> Also without a home button I wonder how we'll start/stop VO, use the
>> app switcher and get to home.  Probably using the app switcher and
>> going home could be done with gestures but what about
>> starting/quitting VO...?
>>
>> Catherine
>>
>> On 9/13/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> Interesting,
>>>
>>> Samsung have a full screen no buttons face recognition and a finger
>>> print
>>> sensor.
>>>
>>> Why can’t apple do that also.
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017 3:40 PM
>>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com;
>>> viph...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>>> Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo
>>>
>>> [Image removed by sender.]
>>> Enlarge<https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg
>>> <https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg>> /
>>> This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.
>>>
>>> The all-new iPhone
>>> X<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/
>>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/>>
>>> is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed
>>> with
>>> is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for
>>> a
>>> nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front
>>> Touch
>>> ID sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on the back, like
>>> many
>>> phones have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID entirely.
>>> Instead,
>>> the X is relying only on the new "Face ID" facial recognition feature
>>> for
>>> biometric security.
>>> Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts
>>> your
>>> face with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D.
>>> Apple
>>> says this can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone.
>>>
>>> None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck.
>>>
>>> This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition
>>> feature,
>>> and they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or
>>> accurate
>>> Face ID is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your
>>> face.
>>> This is slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint
>>> reader,
>>> which doesn't have to be aimed at anything.
>>>
>>> Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good,
>>> you'll
>>> stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so 

Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

I don't think my questions were actually a "doom and gloom response".
I was merely wondering how these things would be done with no home
button, not saying it was impossible or terrible.  <I'm curious about
it and hopeful that an easy, user-friendly alternative will be
present.

Catherine

On 9/13/17, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Start/stop VO will most likely be triple press of the power button.
>
> App switcher is easy, as is home button.
>
> I always find these doom and gloom responses which always come up to be
> quite amusing.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 13/09/2017, at 16:03, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Also without a home button I wonder how we'll start/stop VO, use the
>> app switcher and get to home.  Probably using the app switcher and
>> going home could be done with gestures but what about
>> starting/quitting VO...?
>>
>> Catherine
>>
>>> On 9/13/17, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> Interesting,
>>>
>>> Samsung have a full screen no buttons face recognition and a finger
>>> print
>>> sensor.
>>>
>>> Why can’t apple do that also.
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017 3:40 PM
>>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com;
>>> viph...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>>> Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo
>>>
>>> [Image removed by sender.]
>>> Enlarge<https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg>
>>> /
>>> This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.
>>>
>>> The all-new iPhone
>>> X<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/>
>>> is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed
>>> with
>>> is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for
>>> a
>>> nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front
>>> Touch
>>> ID sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on the back, like
>>> many
>>> phones have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID entirely.
>>> Instead,
>>> the X is relying only on the new "Face ID" facial recognition feature
>>> for
>>> biometric security.
>>> Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts
>>> your
>>> face with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D.
>>> Apple
>>> says this can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone.
>>>
>>> None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck.
>>>
>>> This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition
>>> feature,
>>> and they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or
>>> accurate
>>> Face ID is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your
>>> face.
>>> This is slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint
>>> reader,
>>> which doesn't have to be aimed at anything.
>>>
>>> Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good,
>>> you'll
>>> stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so your finger lands
>>> on
>>> the fingerprint reader. Touch ID works as both an "on" button and an
>>> "authentication" button. In one touch, you've turned on the phone and
>>> logged
>>> in. You haven't even fully taken the phone out of your pocket yet, and
>>> it's
>>> already on and unlocked. By the time you bring the phone to your face,
>>> the
>>> unlock process is finished and you're looking at the home screen.
>>>
>>> To use the iPhone X's Face ID, you have take the phone out of your
>>> pocket,
>>> lift it up to your face, swipe up to turn it on, and only then can can
>>> you
>>> start the unlock process. The difference is probably one or two seconds,
>>> but
>>> for something you do 80 times a
>>>

Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Also without a home button I wonder how we'll start/stop VO, use the
app switcher and get to home.  Probably using the app switcher and
going home could be done with gestures but what about
starting/quitting VO...?

Catherine

On 9/13/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Interesting,
>
> Samsung have a full screen no buttons face recognition and a finger print
> sensor.
>
> Why can’t apple do that also.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017 3:40 PM
> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com;
> viph...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
>
>
> I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why
> Ars Technica  /  Ron Amadeo
>
> [Image removed by sender.]
> Enlarge /
> This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks.
>
> The all-new iPhone
> X
> is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed with
> is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for a
> nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front Touch
> ID sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on the back, like many
> phones have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID entirely. Instead,
> the X is relying only on the new "Face ID" facial recognition feature for
> biometric security.
> Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts your
> face with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D. Apple
> says this can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone.
>
> None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck.
>
> This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition feature,
> and they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or accurate
> Face ID is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your face.
> This is slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint reader,
> which doesn't have to be aimed at anything.
>
> Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good, you'll
> stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so your finger lands on
> the fingerprint reader. Touch ID works as both an "on" button and an
> "authentication" button. In one touch, you've turned on the phone and logged
> in. You haven't even fully taken the phone out of your pocket yet, and it's
> already on and unlocked. By the time you bring the phone to your face, the
> unlock process is finished and you're looking at the home screen.
>
> To use the iPhone X's Face ID, you have take the phone out of your pocket,
> lift it up to your face, swipe up to turn it on, and only then can can you
> start the unlock process. The difference is probably one or two seconds, but
> for something you do 80 times a
> day,
> having the fastest possible unlock system really matters.
> [Image removed by sender.]
> Hardware involved in Apple's True Depth Camera system.
> [Image removed by sender.]
> Example of how Face ID maps and learns your face.
> [Image removed by sender.]
> Demo of Face ID setup.
> [Image removed by sender.]
> Animojis, which move to mimic your facial expressions.
> [Image removed by sender.]
> 3D mask produced with facial recognition on the iPhone X.
> [Image removed by sender.]
> Face ID recognition along with a tap of the side button can authenticate
> Apple Pay.
>
> Consider authenticating with Apple Pay. With a fingerprint reader, you can
> slam your iPhone on the credit card terminal while holding your finger on
> the Touch ID button, and everything will just work. You're continuously
> authenticating and beaming credit card data at the same time, which is easy,
> intuitive, and hard to mess up. According to Craig Federighi's Face ID demo
> during the keynote, you now have to open up Apple Pay first, then aim the
> phone at your face so Face ID can work. Only then can you tap against the
> credit card terminal. That's two extra steps.
>
> A fingerprint sensor, because it works by touch, is basically active all the
> time. Anytime you need it, you just press it, and it will work. Facial
> recognition has to be specifically started by an app though. So to
> authenticate a payment, you now have to open Apple Pay first, because
> something has to tell the facial recognition system to turn on. If you
> ignore this and just put the phone against a credit card terminal without
> authenticating, I suspect Apple Pay will open and ask for a Face ID scan,
> which won't work because the phone won't be aimed at your face.
>
> There's also the "on a table" use case: where before you could just press
> the home button to unlock the phone, now 

Re: Oops how to save as on a mac and how to transfer from downloaded file to memory stick

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hello Reggie,

I don't know why the braillenote wouldn't see a ueb document.  If you
wanted to try converting it to the bn's own braille format you could
go into file manager/translation.

Catherine

On 8/30/17, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
> Well, neither thing worked. I sent my UEB as a keyword document. Is there a
> way to make it a  BRF on either braille note or on the Mac?
>
> Downloaded a book from internet. Copied from the download folder and pasted
> into the books folder after opening the memory stick. No dice. When I go to
> read on the braille note the book is not there. Am I making this too
> hard?Regina Alvarado
> reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
>
>
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Re: transferring and downloading and attaching with a memory stick on Mac

['Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Reggie,

Hm I don't know why that would be that they are named differently
on the Mac.  Perhaps next you could just try creating a folder on that
stick from the Mac and also save a file onto it just to make sure the
stick is working properly with the Mac.  As you said you're beginning
with this I'll give step-by-step instructions as to how I would do
this.  Doubtless there are lots of different ways of doing things so
you might get different instructions from someone else but this is
what I would do.

1.  In  wrote:
>
> Hi Catherine, On my braillenote apex the folders on the stick show up as
> books and lessons. On the Mac I assume they are the same folders, but they
> are long numbers instead of books and lessons. Sorry I didn't make it clear.
>
>
>
> Reggie and Lex
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 5:50 PM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Reggie,
>
> Clarifying what you're asking - are you saying that when your memory
> stick is in your braillenote it has folders called books and lessons,
> but when you put the stick in your Mac those folders aren't there and
> you get a load of numbers instead?
>
> Catherine
>
>> On 8/29/17, regina alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Now that I am in the right place, I have a question about reading and
>> transferring from and transferring to a memory stick.
>>
>> A little background. I have a braillenote apex on which I transferred two
>> folders to a memory stick called books and Lessons. I want to get into
>> the
>> lessons folder to be able to attach a file to an email. I also want to
>> download into the books folder from Bookshare and read them on my
>> braillenote.
>>
>> Now that you know what I am trying to do, I first want to let everybody
>> know
>> I am definitely still a Mac beginner. I have a book I used to get as far
>> as
>> I did with this. I put my stick in the computer, ′mac mini′, at the volume
>> I
>> pushed command-shift-C. That brought up my list of drives. It was there so
>> I
>> used vo-space to open the drive. That was when I got a nasty surprise.
>> Instead of names like books and Lessons there were just numbers and no
>> way
>> to see what they were. I understand these are just images so if I have to
>> copy them where do I paste them?
>>
>> So questions are: how do I transfer files and folders to and from my
>> stick
>> and how do I get the folders titled. Also, I realize, at least I think, I
>> cannot download directly onto my stick. If I am correct, how do I
>> transfer
>> from the download folder to the stick and will the braillenote read the
>> files if in BRF? Please do these questions step-by-step as I thought I
>> understood what I read but obviously there steps gave me a big surprise.
>> Deeply appreciate any help on all of this. I imagine most people on here
>> are
>> advanced Mac users so feel free to send answers to:
>> reggie.alvar...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Reggie and Lex
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Re: transferring and downloading and attaching with a memory stick on Mac

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Hello Reggie,

Clarifying what you're asking - are you saying that when your memory
stick is in your braillenote it has folders called books and lessons,
but when you put the stick in your Mac those folders aren't there and
you get a load of numbers instead?

Catherine

On 8/29/17, regina alvarado  wrote:
> Now that I am in the right place, I have a question about reading and
> transferring from and transferring to a memory stick.
>
> A little background. I have a braillenote apex on which I transferred two
> folders to a memory stick called books and Lessons. I want to get into the
> lessons folder to be able to attach a file to an email. I also want to
> download into the books folder from Bookshare and read them on my
> braillenote.
>
> Now that you know what I am trying to do, I first want to let everybody know
> I am definitely still a Mac beginner. I have a book I used to get as far as
> I did with this. I put my stick in the computer, ′mac mini′, at the volume I
> pushed command-shift-C. That brought up my list of drives. It was there so I
> used vo-space to open the drive. That was when I got a nasty surprise.
> Instead of names like books and Lessons there were just numbers and no way
> to see what they were. I understand these are just images so if I have to
> copy them where do I paste them?
>
> So questions are: how do I transfer files and folders to and from my stick
> and how do I get the folders titled. Also, I realize, at least I think, I
> cannot download directly onto my stick. If I am correct, how do I transfer
> from the download folder to the stick and will the braillenote read the
> files if in BRF? Please do these questions step-by-step as I thought I
> understood what I read but obviously there steps gave me a big surprise.
> Deeply appreciate any help on all of this. I imagine most people on here are
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Re: Weird issue with Safari.

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Hi,

I wonder if it's auto-completing the URL.  Mine does this and makes a
menu-type sound while it's doing it, though it doesn't say anything
about smart text.

Does it still do it if you type a URL you've never been to before?

If it is auto-complete I don't know how to switch it off.  Presumably
in preferences somewhere, if it can be switched off.

Catherine

On 9/27/16, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> I can't reproduce this in El Cap. What versions are you running?
>
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> Jonathan
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>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Stacey Robinson 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> I’m having difficulty with safari.
>> I press command l to open a new site and begin typing. I hear a sound like
>> menus are trying to open with each letter I type.
>> I get a message about this being a smart text field or something.
>> How can I make Safari go back to normal?
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>> Peace,   
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Re: Homepage in Safari

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You might need to look at the settings safari opens with etc in
preferences.  There are choices like home page or tabs from last
session.  In my version anyway...

Catherine

On 2/20/15, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
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 though it shows the favorites bar and not my home page.
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Re: dropbox question

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I don't think they offer lower amounts than that, that was the
smallest/cheapest last time I looked.

Catherine

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Re: Using Vienna help

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Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the info, and everything you said before.  I have it set to
vertical layout but this approach still isn't working - I can arrow up
and down the folder list, press right when finding a folder I want,
arrow up and down the article list.  But then when I press VO j it
jumps me back to the folder list, not the html content.  Don't know
why.

But the good news is I found another way which seems to work well.
After finding an article I want I press enter.  I haven't set it up to
open in external browser and it seems when I press enter it opens in a
new tab but doesn't select that tab.  So I then press command option
right arrow which selects the next tab and also puts VO in the html
content.  When I've finished reading I press command w to close that
tab and I land back where I was in the article list.  So in case
anyone else has trouble perhaps you can try that method as well.
Mysterious as to why the first method isn't working for me but never
mind.

Thanks for your help,
Catherine

On 6/23/14, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Make sure to use the vertical layout.  Choose Layout from the View Menu and
 set it to vertical.

 You should be able to use the up and down arrows in the Folder List, press
 the Right Arrow when the desired folder is located, then review the article
 list using up and down arrows  without having to interact with anything.

 If you choose to use VO J at that point, it should switch between the folder
 list, article list and the HTML area that displays the article depending on
 how much is downloaded.

 Pressing Enter should open the article.  I find what works best is to set it
 so that the article opens in the external browser.  Set this in
 Preferences/General.
 I would have given up a long while back if I had to use the menu to open an
 article.


 I think I posted a lot of other things I found on the other list.  Well, not
 too much more but.


 On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Catherine Turner
 catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Can anyone who uses Vienna as an RSS reader help me figure out an
 efficient/convenient way of navigating around?

 At the moment I'm picking a feed from the table of feeds, moving
 across and interacting with/looking through the articles table; when I
 find an article I want to read I go into the context menu and pick
 open article page.  This opens the article in a separate tab and I
 need to go and find that tab, select it, then find the html content,
 interact with and read it.

 Someone on another list suggested I should be able to do a VO j when
 in the articles list which should jump me to the html content.  I had
 this working at one point but it's not now.  When Ihˆ press VO j I get
 jumped in between the articles table and the feeds table.  I don't
 know what's different between when this was working and now that it's
 not.

 Has anyone any suggestions on how to move a bit quicker?  Would love
 to hear how other people are using vienna.

 Thanks,
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Using Vienna help

[Catherine Turner]

Hi,

Can anyone who uses Vienna as an RSS reader help me figure out an
efficient/convenient way of navigating around?

At the moment I'm picking a feed from the table of feeds, moving
across and interacting with/looking through the articles table; when I
find an article I want to read I go into the context menu and pick
open article page.  This opens the article in a separate tab and I
need to go and find that tab, select it, then find the html content,
interact with and read it.

Someone on another list suggested I should be able to do a VO j when
in the articles list which should jump me to the html content.  I had
this working at one point but it's not now.  When Ihˆ press VO j I get
jumped in between the articles table and the feeds table.  I don't
know what's different between when this was working and now that it's
not.

Has anyone any suggestions on how to move a bit quicker?  Would love
to hear how other people are using vienna.

Thanks,
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Re: heading levels

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Thanks for the info, will have a look in Getting Started Guide for
Activities.  Just to say though, I have read a lot of the Getting
Started Guide and learnt much from it, but it doesn't always suit
people's learning styles to sit and read a guide like that from
beginning to end.  I do learn stuff that way, but even if I'd read the
entire guide that's no guarantee that I would have absorbed all the
information.  I've also explored the utility and a lot of the menus in
full but that's no guarantee of understanding everything I find there.
 It takes experimentation, confidence, time and effort to learn
things, not just looking and reading.  That's why groups like this one
get formed - so people can help each other out.  Please don't assume
that people haven't read the guides or that reading them would make
these questions unnecessary.  When I asked the question I thought
maybe there was a podcast demonstrating this feature - and yes I could
search applevis for activities but that would most likely yield a
huge amount of results and so sometimes the most efficient way to get
a pointer is to ask on a forum such as this.

Catherine

On 5/6/14, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com wrote:
 Getting started guide from VO help menu, VO-h. Everybody should read this in
 full and explore the VO Utility in full, where they would find all of these
 things


 On 6 May 2014, at 08:14, Catherine Turner
 catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Please could you say what Activities is and where I can find out more
 about it?  Haven't found out about this so far.

 Catherine

 On 5/6/14, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com wrote:
 I have used activities. In browsers my activity has quick nav and single
 letter nav on, in chat type apps I have quick nav on but single letter
 off,
 and by default I have both off. When I want to type in a browser I
 either
 interact or turn Quick Nav off.

 Cheers
 Dave

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 No, there is no quick way to turn it on or off. Despite that, it is
 worth
 trying - you need only press the left and right arrows together to
 toggle
 Quick nav, so it is a very easy thing to turn on or off. I mostly leave
 it
 off, but I do find it useful in Safari and, to a lesser extent, apps
 like
 iTunes and Xcode.
 On May 5, 2014, at 1:44 PM, John D. Lipsey johnl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a quick way to toggle single letter navigation on the fly? I
 use
 quicknav all the time, but have never used single letter navigation
 before. It's something I'd like to play with a bit, but only if I can
 quickly toggle it on and off. Even if not, it may be worth poking
 around.

 DFTBA!

 John D. Lipsey
 johnl1...@gmail.com
 Twitter: @J_TGL

 On May 5, 2014, at 11:16, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Christina,

 If you use the Web Rotor, in Headings, you can type a number and only
 the headings of that level will be shown.

 Alternatively, with Quick Nav on and with single letter navigation
 enabled, you can type a number and you'll be taken to the first
 heading
 of that level.

 Cheers,

 Anne


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 Hello all,

 Is there a way to navigate by a particular heading level? For
 example,
 what if I want to go directly to heading level 1 or what if I only
 want
 to navigate the heading level 3's.
 Thanks in advance,
 Christina

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Re: heading levels

[Catherine Turner]

Hi,

Please could you say what Activities is and where I can find out more
about it?  Haven't found out about this so far.

Catherine

On 5/6/14, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com wrote:
 I have used activities. In browsers my activity has quick nav and single
 letter nav on, in chat type apps I have quick nav on but single letter off,
 and by default I have both off. When I want to type in a browser I either
 interact or turn Quick Nav off.

 Cheers
 Dave

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 No, there is no quick way to turn it on or off. Despite that, it is worth
 trying - you need only press the left and right arrows together to toggle
 Quick nav, so it is a very easy thing to turn on or off. I mostly leave it
 off, but I do find it useful in Safari and, to a lesser extent, apps like
 iTunes and Xcode.
 On May 5, 2014, at 1:44 PM, John D. Lipsey johnl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a quick way to toggle single letter navigation on the fly? I use
 quicknav all the time, but have never used single letter navigation
 before. It's something I'd like to play with a bit, but only if I can
 quickly toggle it on and off. Even if not, it may be worth poking
 around.

 DFTBA!

 John D. Lipsey
 johnl1...@gmail.com
 Twitter: @J_TGL

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 Hello Christina,

 If you use the Web Rotor, in Headings, you can type a number and only
 the headings of that level will be shown.

 Alternatively, with Quick Nav on and with single letter navigation
 enabled, you can type a number and you'll be taken to the first heading
 of that level.

 Cheers,

 Anne


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 Hello all,

 Is there a way to navigate by a particular heading level? For example,
 what if I want to go directly to heading level 1 or what if I only want
 to navigate the heading level 3's.
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Re: Safari don't play audio tag

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Hi,

Apologies if anyone's already replied to this but it didn't come up as
the same conversation in my email.

It would help if you could give some examples of websites where it's
not working.

Catherine

On 4/6/14, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com wrote:
 can somebody tell why cant i play audio tag in some other website?

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Hi, I guess you can subscribe with the new address, then unsubscribe
with the old one.  Or visit the link at the bottom of the message
which says for more options, maybe that will let you change your
address.

Regarding gmail, have you tried the basic html view?

Catherine

On 3/27/14, Andrew Lamanche andrew.laman...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Listers,

 I've had a google account for email for a long time. Due to the recent
 changes to google interface, I find it almost impossible to monitor or
 change my settings, and it is so consuming that I feel it is no longer
 viable for me to keep my google/gmail account any longer.

 My question is how can I continue to remain on the macvisionaries and
 viphone groups if I were to close my google email accounts?

 If it is possible, please guide me through the steps to achieve this. I
 value the two lists greatly and would like to remain in touch.

 Thanks to all.

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Re: Virtual machine help

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Thanks Phil, those instructions worked perfectly

Catherine

On 3/10/14, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Cathrine,

 I encountered the same problem of getting stuck in the combo box. I found a
 way to do the remapping of  any  key in the to combo box to the grave
 accent key. Here's what needs to be done.

 1) VO to the first shift check box and park the mouse on it by pressing
 VO+command+ F5.
 2) VO right arrow to the first combo box and press the grave accent key.
 Don't open the combo box with VO Space, just move to it and press the accent
 key.
 3) Now VO right arrow to the next combo box and here you do want to open the
 box, so press VO Space on it. That'll bring up a list.  arrow down and back
 up to select the insert key in the list.
 4) now to get out of that list, you need to turn of VoiceOver with command
 F5, then do a mouse click by pressing down on the mouse pad (careful not to
 move the mouse, just press straight down on the pad).
 5) turn VoiceOver back on and you'll be out of the combo box and you can use
 VO right and left arrows to read your selections and make sure they're
 right. then move to and click the ok button.
 6) back in the previous screen , the table should now contain your remap.
 You can uncheck the enable remappings checkbox and the remap will remain
 in the table, but won't be active if for any reason you don't want to use it
 but don't want to delete it.

 BTW: There's no particular significance to parking the mouse on the shift
 checkbox, you just need to have it parked on some element so when you click
 the mouse after shutting off VO, it'll snap the system out of that weird
 combbo box situation. I successfully followed this procedure twice to test
 it out and make sure it works before sending the message.
 Good Luck.




 On Mar 9, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Catherine Turner
 catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi again,

 Ok so I tried to remap keys in Fusion and can't get it to work.  I get
 to a list of current mappings and press add.  I'm then in a dialog
 where it seems I'm supposed to choose the key I want to press and then
 what I want it to map to.  There are some checkboxes with all the
 modifier keys, I leave them unchecked.  There's then a combobox which
 I press and then I get stuck.  It seems like it's listening for
 whatever key I press but neither the grave key nor the insert key on
 my external keyboard are being picked up by this.  Additionally the
 only way I can get out of this is to press command q to quit Fusion.

 Is it possible to do these mappings with Voiceover?  Or is it
 impossible, in which case I guess that's why people are using Sharp
 Keys.  Will look for that podcast then, but it'd be good to hear if
 anyone has successfully remapped using Fusion preferences...

 Catherine

 On 3/9/14, Catherine Turner catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Ok, will go the easy route first and try remapping from Fusion.  Have
 you any idea why the caps lock works with NVDA?  Seems odd as I
 wouldn't have thought what programs are running inside the VM would
 make a difference to whether osx passes through a key or not...

 Catherine

 On 3/9/14, Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is just so awesome! I honestly thought you absolutely needed Sharp
 Keys in order to use Windows on mac properly with screen readers. Now I
 see Fusion alone can do this, I will take the easy way out and use the
 remap settings in Fusion. Although I'm coming in late to this thread,
 I'd like to thank those for showing us this awesome tip. It may just
 encourage those who were discouraged previously, myself included, to
 re-visit Fusion again.

 Regards Chris

 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

 On 09/03/2014 13:46, Phil Halton wrote:
 You're exactly right, OSX doesn't pass the caps lock key to the
 windows
 VM. The workaround is to remap another key on the keyboard to act as a
 caps lock or insert key. Many people remap the grave accent key (above
 the
 left tab key and below the escape key) to caps lock.
 This can be done several ways, one way being the use of a windows
 program
 called sharpkeys. .
 Another way,  is to remap the grave accent key to the  insert key from
 within fusion settings themselves, and then Jaws will respond to the
 grave
 accent key as though it were the jaws modifier key, either caps lock
 or
 insert, whichever you setup.

 Remember, you can remap any key you want, but the grave accent is
 rarely
 used, and so makes a good candidate for remapping.

 I am currently using the grave accent, remapped using SharpKeys, to
 act
 as
 a caps lock key with Jaws set to use the laptop keyboard with caps
 lock
 as
 modifier key. It works great for me. Although, I'm going to switch to
 the
 Fusion key remap method just to simplify things and eliminate the need
 for
 a program like sharpkeys.

 There is a podcast on how to use the sharpkeys program on
 applevis.com,
 search for sharpkeys and it should come up

Re: Virtual machine help

[Catherine Turner]

Ok, will go the easy route first and try remapping from Fusion.  Have
you any idea why the caps lock works with NVDA?  Seems odd as I
wouldn't have thought what programs are running inside the VM would
make a difference to whether osx passes through a key or not...

Catherine

On 3/9/14, Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is just so awesome! I honestly thought you absolutely needed Sharp
 Keys in order to use Windows on mac properly with screen readers. Now I
 see Fusion alone can do this, I will take the easy way out and use the
 remap settings in Fusion. Although I'm coming in late to this thread,
 I'd like to thank those for showing us this awesome tip. It may just
 encourage those who were discouraged previously, myself included, to
 re-visit Fusion again.

 Regards Chris

 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

 On 09/03/2014 13:46, Phil Halton wrote:
 You're exactly right, OSX doesn't pass the caps lock key to the windows
 VM. The workaround is to remap another key on the keyboard to act as a
 caps lock or insert key. Many people remap the grave accent key (above the
 left tab key and below the escape key) to caps lock.
 This can be done several ways, one way being the use of a windows program
 called sharpkeys. .
 Another way,  is to remap the grave accent key to the  insert key from
 within fusion settings themselves, and then Jaws will respond to the grave
 accent key as though it were the jaws modifier key, either caps lock or
 insert, whichever you setup.

 Remember, you can remap any key you want, but the grave accent is rarely
 used, and so makes a good candidate for remapping.

 I am currently using the grave accent, remapped using SharpKeys, to act as
 a caps lock key with Jaws set to use the laptop keyboard with caps lock as
 modifier key. It works great for me. Although, I'm going to switch to the
 Fusion key remap method just to simplify things and eliminate the need for
 a program like sharpkeys.

 There is a podcast on how to use the sharpkeys program on applevis.com,
 search for sharpkeys and it should come up in the search results. . It
 can be a little tricky to understand and use the first time, so if you
 need help and specific directions on its use, sing out.

 BTW: I find that keeping a full-sized Apple USB keyboard around is a big
 help when using these remap procedures. I just plug it in and it gives me
 a insert key that jaws and NVDA will respond to as their modifier keys.
 Its really indispensable when you start changing the modifier keys and
 need both a caps lock and an insert key temporarily.

 For example, using the fusion method, I find I need that keyboard in order
 to have an actual insert key I can press when trying to make the fusion
 key remap as there is no actual insert key on the apple portable
 keyboards.


 On Mar 8, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Catherine Turner
 catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm having some problems using JAWS in a virtual machine and wondering
 if anyone can help.

 I'm using JAWS 14 on Windows 7 via VMware.  I usually use an external
 keyboard with my MacBook because I'm one handed. I normally  use the
 desktop keyboard layout for JAWS but am without an external keyboard
 now. I'm wondering how people manage on the Mac keyboard with JAWS.
 My understanding is that JAWS should be able to use the caps lock as
 the JAWS key but I can't get this to work.  I chose laptop layout from
 the keyboard layout in basic settings but whenever I press caps lock
 Voiceover just says caps lock on or off and JAWS acts if I'm not
 pressing the JAWS key e.g. if I press caps lock and t for title, JAWS
 just says t. It's as if the caps lock key isn't being passed through
 to Windows. But this is strange because it works properly when I use
 NVDA instead of JAWS.

 Can anyone help?  Am I missing something?  Any ideas why JAWS/Windows
 isn't picking up the caps lock?  Any other way round it?

 Thanks,
 Catherine

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Re: Virtual machine help

[Catherine Turner]

Hi again,

Ok so I tried to remap keys in Fusion and can't get it to work.  I get
to a list of current mappings and press add.  I'm then in a dialog
where it seems I'm supposed to choose the key I want to press and then
what I want it to map to.  There are some checkboxes with all the
modifier keys, I leave them unchecked.  There's then a combobox which
I press and then I get stuck.  It seems like it's listening for
whatever key I press but neither the grave key nor the insert key on
my external keyboard are being picked up by this.  Additionally the
only way I can get out of this is to press command q to quit Fusion.

Is it possible to do these mappings with Voiceover?  Or is it
impossible, in which case I guess that's why people are using Sharp
Keys.  Will look for that podcast then, but it'd be good to hear if
anyone has successfully remapped using Fusion preferences...

Catherine

On 3/9/14, Catherine Turner catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Ok, will go the easy route first and try remapping from Fusion.  Have
 you any idea why the caps lock works with NVDA?  Seems odd as I
 wouldn't have thought what programs are running inside the VM would
 make a difference to whether osx passes through a key or not...

 Catherine

 On 3/9/14, Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is just so awesome! I honestly thought you absolutely needed Sharp
 Keys in order to use Windows on mac properly with screen readers. Now I
 see Fusion alone can do this, I will take the easy way out and use the
 remap settings in Fusion. Although I'm coming in late to this thread,
 I'd like to thank those for showing us this awesome tip. It may just
 encourage those who were discouraged previously, myself included, to
 re-visit Fusion again.

 Regards Chris

 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

 On 09/03/2014 13:46, Phil Halton wrote:
 You're exactly right, OSX doesn't pass the caps lock key to the windows
 VM. The workaround is to remap another key on the keyboard to act as a
 caps lock or insert key. Many people remap the grave accent key (above
 the
 left tab key and below the escape key) to caps lock.
 This can be done several ways, one way being the use of a windows
 program
 called sharpkeys. .
 Another way,  is to remap the grave accent key to the  insert key from
 within fusion settings themselves, and then Jaws will respond to the
 grave
 accent key as though it were the jaws modifier key, either caps lock or
 insert, whichever you setup.

 Remember, you can remap any key you want, but the grave accent is rarely
 used, and so makes a good candidate for remapping.

 I am currently using the grave accent, remapped using SharpKeys, to act
 as
 a caps lock key with Jaws set to use the laptop keyboard with caps lock
 as
 modifier key. It works great for me. Although, I'm going to switch to
 the
 Fusion key remap method just to simplify things and eliminate the need
 for
 a program like sharpkeys.

 There is a podcast on how to use the sharpkeys program on applevis.com,
 search for sharpkeys and it should come up in the search results. . It
 can be a little tricky to understand and use the first time, so if you
 need help and specific directions on its use, sing out.

 BTW: I find that keeping a full-sized Apple USB keyboard around is a big
 help when using these remap procedures. I just plug it in and it gives
 me
 a insert key that jaws and NVDA will respond to as their modifier keys.
 Its really indispensable when you start changing the modifier keys and
 need both a caps lock and an insert key temporarily.

 For example, using the fusion method, I find I need that keyboard in
 order
 to have an actual insert key I can press when trying to make the fusion
 key remap as there is no actual insert key on the apple portable
 keyboards.


 On Mar 8, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Catherine Turner
 catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm having some problems using JAWS in a virtual machine and wondering
 if anyone can help.

 I'm using JAWS 14 on Windows 7 via VMware.  I usually use an external
 keyboard with my MacBook because I'm one handed. I normally  use the
 desktop keyboard layout for JAWS but am without an external keyboard
 now. I'm wondering how people manage on the Mac keyboard with JAWS.
 My understanding is that JAWS should be able to use the caps lock as
 the JAWS key but I can't get this to work.  I chose laptop layout from
 the keyboard layout in basic settings but whenever I press caps lock
 Voiceover just says caps lock on or off and JAWS acts if I'm not
 pressing the JAWS key e.g. if I press caps lock and t for title, JAWS
 just says t. It's as if the caps lock key isn't being passed through
 to Windows. But this is strange because it works properly when I use
 NVDA instead of JAWS.

 Can anyone help?  Am I missing something?  Any ideas why JAWS/Windows
 isn't picking up the caps lock?  Any other way round it?

 Thanks,
 Catherine

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[Catherine Turner]

Hi,

I'm having some problems using JAWS in a virtual machine and wondering
if anyone can help.

I'm using JAWS 14 on Windows 7 via VMware.  I usually use an external
keyboard with my MacBook because I'm one handed. I normally  use the
desktop keyboard layout for JAWS but am without an external keyboard
now. I'm wondering how people manage on the Mac keyboard with JAWS.
My understanding is that JAWS should be able to use the caps lock as
the JAWS key but I can't get this to work.  I chose laptop layout from
the keyboard layout in basic settings but whenever I press caps lock
Voiceover just says caps lock on or off and JAWS acts if I'm not
pressing the JAWS key e.g. if I press caps lock and t for title, JAWS
just says t. It's as if the caps lock key isn't being passed through
to Windows. But this is strange because it works properly when I use
NVDA instead of JAWS.

Can anyone help?  Am I missing something?  Any ideas why JAWS/Windows
isn't picking up the caps lock?  Any other way round it?

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: An explanation of interaction required

[Catherine Turner]

Hi April,

Apologies if you've already talked about this separately, I am rarely
up-to-date with list mail.  But what resources have you tried for
learning Mac/Voiceover?  I found the getting started guide (which is
available both on the Mac and online) helpful.  Also David
Woodbridge's podcasts.  Or have you considered getting training face
to face with someone?

If you start a separate thread I'll try and help you though I am
relatively new myself.  I use Safari all the time and Mail sometimes
so maybe I can help, I don't use Pages though.

Catherine
On 2/27/14, April aprilbrownsh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think it's important to get the basics down first.  Then, users can
 branch out and try shortcuts.

 After two months, my VoiceOver works less than it did on day one.  I still
 have no idea how to use it to check mail, or on Safari.  I kinda got it
 working on Calendar and Pages.  At one point.  What works one time doesn't
 work another.

 It would be great to find step by step instructions so I can do basic
 things, and not sit there listening to beeps instead of it doing what I
 need it to do.

 I listened to the list of commands hundreds of times.  There are hundreds
 of undefined commands.  It's kinds like listening to a foreign language,
 with no reference to the the language I speak.  I have no idea what, or
 where a command is supposed to be used.  There is no logic to the command,
 or the labels given to them.

 If I could find a text copy of these talkies, perhaps I could eventually
 learn how to use VoiceOver.

 If I don't I likely won't be using a computer in a year.  It seems every
 setting I adjust based on something someone says breaks it further.

 Those of you who use it, make it sound so simple.  You know the language
 and terms, the new user does not.  Watching someone use those terms and
 what they accomplish would be a good thing, if I could hear the speaker.
 Which, I can't.  It's always low toned males.  Way below my hearing level.


 On Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:48:27 AM UTC-5, David Taylor wrote:

 Hi,

 Well, the fact is, that there are quicker ways to do things. Rather than
 first going to the desktop, to get to a known place, then having to go to

 the apps folder, etc, from whereever you are, you can use Spotlight to
 open
 an app, and it's so easy to teach. From anywhere, command-space, type in
 the first few letters of the app you want and if it isn't the first thing

 you hear, arrow to it. I just think there could be more reality in how
 people would actually use a computer, whereas teaching it the long way
 round makes anyone that doesn't know an operating system of any flavour
 think it has to be that inefficient. Clearly, my way isn't radically
 different, but I think more variety and more use of all the different
 methods, including David's current methods, would be helpful.  I do value

 all the podcasts, so don't mean to sound critical, but I think there's an

 over-emphasis on not using all the features when they would be helpful and

 just using the very basic VO commands.  The result is often that people
 think Mac is slow, and get too hooked up on how difficult interaction is,

 when it really isn't.

 Take care
 Dave



 On 27 Feb 2014, at 10:39, Catherine Turner
 catherine...@googlemail.comjavascript:
 wrote:

  I echo the use of the tab key and Quick Nav.  I use Quick Nav a lot of
  the time and find it very efficient.  You just need to get to learn
  when it's appropriate/quick and when switching it off would serve you
  better.
 
  A small point I would dispute is David Woodbridge starting his
  podcasts at a certain known point.   I think this is the only way to
  create a podcast which is consistent and applies to as wide a range of
  people as possible.  There are so many possible starting points
  otherwise:  I've just started Mail and my VO cursor is set to focus on
  the keyboard focus; or not; or I want to start Mail with Quick Nav on
  or off and so on. So I guess he picks a consistent starting point to
  make the podcasts manageable and give people a consistent learning
  experience.
 
  I haven't herd enough to comment on whether too many trainers focus
  too much on VO commands as opposed to the OS.  I do know a lot of
  Windows screen reader trainers do this.  I would say that from reading
  the VO Getting Started guide it was pretty clear which were VO
  commands and which were OS ones so that's a good resource for anyone
  who learns in that way...
 
  Catherine
 
  On 2/27/14, David Taylor e.david...@icloud.com javascript: wrote:
  Hi,
 
  There are two things here. Firstly, you do not have to interact much of
 
 the
  time when people say you do, it's a case of learning the settings and
 the
  operating system just like in Windows. For instance, when I go into
 Mail, my
  VO is set to land me where the keyboard focus is so it lands me
 straight in
  the message list. Personally, I think more emphasis should be put on
 real
  world usage

Audio/headset problems

[Catherine Turner]

Hi,

I'm relatively new to this list and so not yet familiar with what's
tolerated in terms of mentioning Windows.  I mention it in my below
message because I think it's relevant to the problems I'm having and
my knowledge/desire of how it might work.  If I've gone off topic
please cut me some slack, it's hard to know what list to post on
sometimes when you need Mac knowledge but Windows behaviour is also
relevant.

I'm using a Mac (10.8.4) plus Windows 7 in a virtual machine via
Vmware Fusion.I use a headset sometimes.  If I connect the headset
before switching on the Mac or
before starting up Windows, it automatically becomes available for
both Windows and Mac but if I connect it after starting up Windows I
am asked whether I want to connect to Mac or Windows.

I'm having some audio problems on the Mac side of things and wonder if
anyone can help.

My headset, a Logitech H800, is listed three times in System
Preferences/audio/output.  This headset does have two modes -
bluetooth and wireless - but I'm not sure why that should result in
*three* entries.  The first issue is it would be really nice if Mac
could automatically start using the headset when I connect it, (after
telling it to connect to Mac if applicable) but this doesn't happen.
Any way to make that happen?

Secondly, conversely to the OS, I like to set Voiceover to use the
headset manually.  THis is because I like to verify the headset is
functioning before Voiceover tries to use it otherwise I get silence.
However, a couple of times I forgot which of the three Logitech
entries to choose from available options for audio output in Voiceover
Utility.  I realised straight away that I chose the wrong one because
VO went silent.  I thought this wouldn't be a problem because it's
meant to revert to the previous setting if you don't hit the confirm
button.  But it didn't revert.  So I was left with no audio and not
enough memory/confidence to try and set it back to built-in output
without speech.  I switched off the computer and hoped that when I
restarted, if I disconnected the headset,it would revert but it
didn't.  I got speech in the log-on screen but none after that.  After
about 5 times switching on and off again speech came back to the
built-in output.  But obviously this was very frustrating and
time-consuming.

Similarly sometimes I have been silly enough to forget to tell VO to
stop using the headset before pulling out the dongle.  Then, even if I
stick it back in again, I lose speech.  A message appears on screen
saying Mac can't connect to the headset and I need to hit stop using
headset or similar before audio comes out of the speakers again.  I
wish and hope there was some way for Mac to automatically give up on
using an audio device after a certain amount of time.  In this respect
I much prefer Windows behaviour which simply stops using it when I
disconnect.  All the problems I'm having could be solved if it just
started using it when connected and stopped when disconnected.

Is there any way of setting up a hot key or something to force all
audio to revert back to built-in output?  Any other suggestions as to
what I can do in these situations?  Obviously if I had a braille
display connected that would help, but I can't get my Braillenote Apex
to work with VO - that's another story.

Any suggestions gratefully received.

Thanks,
Catherine

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Re: Folder Action New Item Alert Now Works In Latest Mavericks Update

[Catherine Turner]

Hi,

I'm thoroughly confused.  To get a sound to play do we need to do
something in folder actions setup or services preferences?  Does
this apply only to the latest osx or earlier versions too?

I have 10.8.4.  I was able to find folder actions setup (from the
shortcut menu VO Shift M, not the main menu VO m).  I think I added an
action or a script or something to the downloads folder.  I chose
edit script to see if I could figure if I had chosen the right
script; and the comments in the script said it would make a
notification appear when an item was added to the folder.  It didn't
mention anything about sounds.

How can I check I've done what I wanted?  I'll find out next time I
download anything but just wondering if anyone can explain what's the
role of service preferences as opposed to folder actions and do I
need to add a script or an action to a folder?  The discussion seems
to use these phrases interchangeably and I don't know whether they
really are all the same thing.

Catherine

On 2/27/14, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com wrote:
 Yes, thanks. That method fixed it and it works beautifully. So, in the
 normal menu, services is dimmed, but from the context menu it works, weird,
 but solved and so useful.

 thanks
 Dave

 On 27 Feb 2014, at 22:28, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:

   I'm coming in late, but did you try pressing VO-shift-m on the downloads
 folder?  Under services, you should find it there.


 Take Care

 John D. Panarese
 Director
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 Tel, (631) 724-4479
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 On Feb 27, 2014, at 5:14 PM, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com
 wrote:

 Nope. Done disk repair, set the same thing up in another folder, but when
 I go in my downloads folder, it says no services apply!

 On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:39, Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 TIme for a disk repair me thinks. All is working well here.
 On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:13, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com
 wrote:

 But, what I am trying to say is, that, from my downloads folder, this
 is still dimmed, even though I'd allowed folder actions from the same
 place on my desktop and even quit and restarted finder!

 On 27 Feb 2014, at 19:57, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 It's in the finder menu, services, then folder action setup.

 Hth,
 teresa

 The golden age of science fiction is twelve.--Pete graham

 On Feb 27, 2014, at 11:51 AM, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com
 wrote:

 So, I've been in Folder Actions setup, checked enable folder actions,
 but then when I go back to my downloads folder, there's no way I can
 get back to Folder Actions Setup to add the action. I've even
 restarted finder

 Cheers
 Dave

 On 27 Feb 2014, at 18:44, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 It's actually not in the services preferences dialog. It's in the
 services menu, but in a dialog called folder actions setup. You
 might try doing a VO-f2 twice quickly to see if you can choose the
 dialog window from the window list. I've never had to do this, but
 it's worth a try.

 Hth,
 Teresa

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 it's too dark to read.--Groucho Marx

 On Feb 27, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've tried it while focusing on the desktop and on my downloads
 folder. Maybe a disk repair.


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 of Fielding
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 On Feb 27, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net
 wrote:

 Are you first focusing on the folder to whitch you wish the script
 to take effect?  IF you are, don't know what to suggest exept
 maybe to run a disk repair and restart.


 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for
 the blind built-in!

 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5
 user!

 On Feb 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The problem I have, is, I can't do that, because when I attempt
 to open the dialog box in services, it simply doesn't open.


 You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art
 of Fielding
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 On Feb 27, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Ray Foret Jr
 rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 Choose the script you want to apply.  You will not see the check
 box until you make a choice.  I'd focus on the folder to which
 you want to have this apply first though.


 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for
 the blind built-in!

 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone
 5 user!

 On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 OK, this slow person would like a refresher. Where is the check
 box to be found 

Re: An explanation of interaction required

[Catherine Turner]

Hi,

I'm only a year into using the Mac and still use Windows as well but
here's my take on it.  While it can be a bit time consuming and fiddly
sometimes interacting with several layers I can see benefits to the
approach as well.  For example, in Windows you have several different
keystrokes to accomplish similar goals to the VO interacting thing
i.e. accessing different parts of the screen.  e.g. if you wanted to
access a toolbar on Windows (if you could access it) you would need to
sometimes press Control Tab or sometimes use something like the
JAWS/WE cursor.  Whereas on the Mac, assuming the particular app is
accessible, you just move around the screen and pick which part of it
you want to use.  I also think requiring us to interact with different
elements of the screen can give us a little more understanding of the
different visual elements which are present, which can help
particularly when working with sighted people.  e.g. instead of
remembering in Windows ok if I press Alt space that gets me into the
menu where there's options to maximise/size the window, I can just
explore around the screen to verify/remind myself of what's actually
visually present.  LIke I say, I can see pros and cons but these are
some of the pros in my opinion.

Catherine

On 2/27/14, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote:
 Dear List I wondered if some kind soul could explain the concept of
 interaction on the mac.  On podcasts you get taught how to use it but not
 what the underlying premise is behind it.  What are the benefits of setting
 up a screen reader this way.  I find interaction an irritation.  On windows
 in outlook I'm immediately in the messages list I don't have to interact
 with the list first.  To me it just feels like interaction is always another
 keystroke between me and where I want to get to.

 Many Thanks Lee

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Re: An explanation of interaction required

[Catherine Turner]

I echo the use of the tab key and Quick Nav.  I use Quick Nav a lot of
the time and find it very efficient.  You just need to get to learn
when it's appropriate/quick and when switching it off would serve you
better.

A small point I would dispute is David Woodbridge starting his
podcasts at a certain known point.   I think this is the only way to
create a podcast which is consistent and applies to as wide a range of
people as possible.  There are so many possible starting points
otherwise:  I've just started Mail and my VO cursor is set to focus on
the keyboard focus; or not; or I want to start Mail with Quick Nav on
or off and so on. So I guess he picks a consistent starting point to
make the podcasts manageable and give people a consistent learning
experience.

I haven't herd enough to comment on whether too many trainers focus
too much on VO commands as opposed to the OS.  I do know a lot of
Windows screen reader trainers do this.  I would say that from reading
the VO Getting Started guide it was pretty clear which were VO
commands and which were OS ones so that's a good resource for anyone
who learns in that way...

Catherine

On 2/27/14, David Taylor e.david.tay...@icloud.com wrote:
 Hi,

 There are two things here. Firstly, you do not have to interact much of the
 time when people say you do, it's a case of learning the settings and the
 operating system just like in Windows. For instance, when I go into Mail, my
 VO is set to land me where the keyboard focus is so it lands me straight in
 the message list. Personally, I think more emphasis should be put on real
 world usage in these podcasts. Let me take David Woodbridge as an example.
 His podcasts are generally excellent and helpful, but he makes what I,
 personally, think are a couple of asumptions that just don't reflect the
 natural way to interact with a computer. Firstly, he assumes that you always
 start from a specific, known, position, and secondly, he only teaches
 VoiceOver. Unless it is absolutely unavoidable, he does not teach built in
 OS keystrokes and concepts. It would be comparable to teaching people using
 Jaws only to move word by word using the insert key method, and to do
 everything using the Jaws cursor rather than built in Windows keystrokes.
 David's methods are great for getting people doing specific tasks, but often
 not in the most efficient ways, and often not going deep enough or actually
 explaining enough. I tend to think that most Mac teachers make this mistake,
 I'm not picking on one person, just using the specific example as I know,
 use, and value David's work a lot.

 The concept of interaction, in my mind, is generally helpful. The idea is
 that VoiceOver gives you an overview of what is on the screen and the
 ability to get around it quickly. For instance, whereas in any Windows
 screen reader, if you find a toolbar (Which you will only do if you know the
 right keyboard  commands), there is no quick way of getting past it. With
 VoiceOver, each control, or element, appears as just that, an element. Some
 elements you will generally want to deal with, which is where interaction
 could become an issue, but many, you want the ability to skip over, so
 VoiceOver is built on the idea that if you want to use it, you will interact
 with it.

 There are a couple of things you can do to seriously limit how often you
 have to interact. Check that your VoiceOver is set for initial position to
 keyboard focus, not to first element. In most apps, you will then land
 exactly where you want to be. Secondly, and I think this is default
 behaviour, make sure the setting tab key interacts is set to on. This way,
 whenever you use the tab key to get to a control, you will automatically be
 interacting with it, and you won't have to uninteract to tab or shift-tab to
 the previous control. Another piece of faulty advice is to never use the tab
 key in Mac. Rather, you need to remember that the tab key will act a little
 like it does in Windows, in that it will take you to the next control the
 app dev thinks you might want to use it to get to, While it is always
 advisable to learn apps using the VO keys navigation method, you may well
 find that, when you know what you are doing, in many cases, you will use the
 tab key just as much.

 Finally, I don't see how anyone who learns to use Quick Nav can find
 interaction a problem. The ability to skip around and navigate without
 moving your fingers at all is invaluable, and interaction becomes such an
 easy process. Personally, unless I am in a file list or something, if I am
 going to use a few navigation commands in a row, I always switch to Quick
 Nav. The reason I don't in file lists? I don't want to interact, so I want
 to use the built in, OS X keystrokes, to do things, simply arrowing up and
 down lists, using command-down to open and command-up to close etc. As soon
 as I press command-2, I am right in that list view so don't need to navigate
 to it, and the same is true