Re: [Marxism] Did Cuba end up 'towing the moscow line'?
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As I have learned (from other Progressives, BTW), Angola was virtually being
run by Cuba as a colony, during the final years of the Cuban presence there.
El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado!
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:44:48 -0800
Like David, I too found the sneer of Mike Gonzalez ['John Wesley']
offensive--- as, indeed, would any non-pig who had the experience in
Cuba of being shown wounds received in Angola. So much for his
international socialism.
Just a point of clarification: This isn't *the* Mike Gonzalez.
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Re: [Marxism] Race in Cuba
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The race issue provided the justification for Cuba's military internationalism in Africa on numerous occasions, including in order to support that great progressive humanitarian, Haile mengistu Mariam in Ethiopia. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Ken Hiebert knhieb...@shaw.ca To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:31 PM Subject: [Marxism] Race in Cuba == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://monthlyreview.org/press/books/pb3201/ New from MR Press - Race in Cuba: Essays on the Revolution and Racial Inequality Race in Cuba Essays on the Revolution and Racial Inequality by Esteban Morales Domínguez edited and translated under the direction of Gary Prevost and August Nimtz, Jr. Of all the challenges confronted by the triumphant Cuban revolution in 1959, none has proven to be as intractable as the issue of racism. In a thoughtful and honest fashion, Esteban Morales lays bare the myths and realities of race relations in twentieth-century Cuba. An informed reader would be well served to approach the subject of race in Cuba through the insights offered by Morales. —Louis A. Perez, Jr., professor of history and Director, Institute for the Study of the Americas, University of North Carolina Esteban Morales Domínguez, a proactive, democratic voice living an integrated social-professional-Communist Party cadre life in Cuban socialism, straightforwardly posits skin color and racism as transversal life-defining subjects that require conscious social science research and special policy attention to renovate and advance Cuban socialism as a full participatory democratic project with equitable material and spiritual development for all citizens. —James Counts Early, Director, Cultural Heritage Policy, Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage, Smithsonian Institution As a young militant in the Student Youth movement, Esteban Morales Domínguez participated in the overthrow of the Batista regime and the triumph of the Cuban Revolution. The revolutionaries, he understood, sought to establish a more just and egalitarian society. But Morales, an Afro-Cuban, knew that the complicated question of race could not be ignored, or simply willed away in a post-revolutionary context. Today, he is one of Cuba’s most prominent Afro-Cuban intellectuals and its leading authority on the race question. Available for the first time in English, the essays collected here describe the problem of racial inequality in Cuba, provide evidence of its existence, constructively criticize efforts by the Cuban political leadership to end discrimination, and point to a possible way forward. Morales surveys the major advancements in race relations that occurred as a result of the revolution, but does not ignore continuing signs of inequality and discrimination. Instead, he argues that the revolution must be an ongoing process and that to truly transform society it must continue to confront the question of race in Cuba. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Did Cuba end up 'towing the moscow line'?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == When did Fidel make these statements? Post 1991? El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Joaquín Bustelo jbust...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: [Marxism] Did Cuba end up 'towing the moscow line'? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 2/9/2013 10:05 PM, John Wesley wrote: Why do all these accounts overlook the fact that the Soviets, tired of all the Guevarist revolutionary romanticism, by 1968 gave Fidel the choice of either towing the Moscow line, or be left to the mercies of the US ? These accounts overlook it because it simply wasn't so. See, for example what Fidel says about 40 seconds into this clip from episode 18 of the CNN documentary series Cold War. It is about Cuba and the Soviets in relation to Nicaragua and the civil wars in Central America in the 1980s. http://youtu.be/lct7SkpYfKA Referring to U.S. accusations that the was a Cuban-Soviet plot to take over all of Central; America, Fidel responded: Look, if a Soviet-Cuban master plan actually existed we would have won the Cold War. (Laughs) If there had been a master plan. But unfortunately there was no such plan, quite the opposite. Cuba's actions conflicted with Soviet interests at that time. Nor was that something new. Five years ago on this list I documented another such divergence between Cuba and the Soviets -- the decision to send troops to Angola in 1975 to prevent a takeover of the country by CIA- and South Africa-backed Angolan groups on the eve of the country's formal independence. http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2008w08/msg00117.html Here are a couple of excerpts. Interview: Fidel Castro, president, Cuba: The Soviets knew absolutely nothing about it. We took the decision because of our long-standing relations over many years with Neto, and with the independence movement in Angola. It was a question of globalizing our struggle, vis-à-vis the globalized pressures and harassment of the U.S. In this respect he did not coincide with the Soviet viewpoint. We acted ... but without their cooperation. Quite the opposite! There were criticisms. So? Interview: Karen Brutents, Communist Party Central Committee: In Moscow this was greeted without enthusiasm. It was only when the Cubans had landed that we got involved. Because the Cubans kept asking us for help. They wanted weapons; they wanted food supplies. Once we started sending things to Angola, we were soon in over our heads -- even though it wasn't in our plans to go there. The links inn that post to the CNN cold war transcripts no longer work, but the material is available in the wayback machine of the internet archives. The URL for the first episode is: http://web.archive.org/web/20081210013042/http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/01/ By changing the 01 to 17, 18 or whatever, you can access the web material about the various episodes, 24 in all. There are links to episode summaries and complete scripts. The episodes are now --finally!-- available on DVD, but have also been posted to youtube. This playlist has them all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aIRMcySCjUfeature=sharelist=PL3EF0284C45EAFE84. Trying to help revolutionary movements in Latin America and the Third World has been and remains, the North Star of Cuban foreign policy since 1959. The Spanish version, which I produced, had all of Fidel's statements (and those of other Latin Americans) without overdub translation, but AFAIK was never released on VHS or DVD. And looking again at this material really brings home how much bourgeois media has degenerated in the past 20 years. Joaquín Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Did Cuba end up 'towing the moscow line'?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I often wonder if the Cubans who died in Angola (most of whom had probably never left Cuba in their life) were exhilarated by the fact that they were dying for the cause of proletarian internationalism? El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Joaquín Bustelo jbust...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: [Marxism] Did Cuba end up 'towing the moscow line'? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 2/9/2013 10:05 PM, John Wesley wrote: Why do all these accounts overlook the fact that the Soviets, tired of all the Guevarist revolutionary romanticism, by 1968 gave Fidel the choice of either towing the Moscow line, or be left to the mercies of the US ? These accounts overlook it because it simply wasn't so. See, for example what Fidel says about 40 seconds into this clip from episode 18 of the CNN documentary series Cold War. It is about Cuba and the Soviets in relation to Nicaragua and the civil wars in Central America in the 1980s. http://youtu.be/lct7SkpYfKA Referring to U.S. accusations that the was a Cuban-Soviet plot to take over all of Central; America, Fidel responded: Look, if a Soviet-Cuban master plan actually existed we would have won the Cold War. (Laughs) If there had been a master plan. But unfortunately there was no such plan, quite the opposite. Cuba's actions conflicted with Soviet interests at that time. Nor was that something new. Five years ago on this list I documented another such divergence between Cuba and the Soviets -- the decision to send troops to Angola in 1975 to prevent a takeover of the country by CIA- and South Africa-backed Angolan groups on the eve of the country's formal independence. http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2008w08/msg00117.html Here are a couple of excerpts. Interview: Fidel Castro, president, Cuba: The Soviets knew absolutely nothing about it. We took the decision because of our long-standing relations over many years with Neto, and with the independence movement in Angola. It was a question of globalizing our struggle, vis-à-vis the globalized pressures and harassment of the U.S. In this respect he did not coincide with the Soviet viewpoint. We acted ... but without their cooperation. Quite the opposite! There were criticisms. So? Interview: Karen Brutents, Communist Party Central Committee: In Moscow this was greeted without enthusiasm. It was only when the Cubans had landed that we got involved. Because the Cubans kept asking us for help. They wanted weapons; they wanted food supplies. Once we started sending things to Angola, we were soon in over our heads -- even though it wasn't in our plans to go there. The links inn that post to the CNN cold war transcripts no longer work, but the material is available in the wayback machine of the internet archives. The URL for the first episode is: http://web.archive.org/web/20081210013042/http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/episodes/01/ By changing the 01 to 17, 18 or whatever, you can access the web material about the various episodes, 24 in all. There are links to episode summaries and complete scripts. The episodes are now --finally!-- available on DVD, but have also been posted to youtube. This playlist has them all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aIRMcySCjUfeature=sharelist=PL3EF0284C45EAFE84. Trying to help revolutionary movements in Latin America and the Third World has been and remains, the North Star of Cuban foreign policy since 1959. The Spanish version, which I produced, had all of Fidel's statements (and those of other Latin Americans) without overdub translation, but AFAIK was never released on VHS or DVD. And looking again at this material really brings home how much bourgeois media has degenerated in the past 20 years. Joaquín Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Toeing the line
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, two other good examples of this toeing the Moscow axis's line. His endorsement of the invasion of Czechoslovakia was the first public indication of his shift to a more strictly pro- Moscow line, and away from the revolutionary romanticism which had characterized the Guevarist period. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Shane Mage shm...@pipeline.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Toeing the line == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Feb 10, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Ken Hiebert wrote: Can I be forgiven for making a point re English usage? I think towing the line is incorrect. Ah...but when Castro sent troops to Ethiopia, or when he endorsed the invasion of Czechoslovakiawasn't Cuba towing [on] the Moscow line? Shane Mage Thunderbolt steers all things. Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Empty Cuba blather
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Why do all these accounts overlook the fact that the Soviets, tired of all the Guevarist revolutionary romanticism, by 1968 gave Fidel the choice of either towing the Moscow line, or be left to the mercies of the US ? El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 1:53 PM Subject: [Marxism] Empty Cuba blather == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 2/9/13 2:42 PM, audrada...@aol.com wrote I have genuine exchange with my boss, too. He's a truly nice guy. He often listens to my suggestions and occasionally follows them. And if I cross him in any serious way, he would fire me in a hot second. This is bullshit. No, what is bullshit is wasting time with superficial jibes like this on a mailing list with 1500 subscribers worldwide trying to understand Cuban society, the politics of their own country, or problems facing the left generally. One of the reasons I blog is that it allows me to organize my thoughts, do research, and write in the fashion of the Russian left of the early 1900s. I don't say that I am the equal of a Preobrezhensky or a Bukharin but when I read their articles on www.marxists.org, I see how high a level their conversations and debates were conducted at. I established Marxmail in 1998 with the hope that it would encourage serious debate among Marxists. The longer it is around, the more pessimistic I become. I think comrades participate in these debates as if they were opportunities to wise off. I almost never see anybody writing anything of substance, or citing scholarly material. It is enough to make me consider flushing it down the toilet. Edward Boorstein, The Economic Transformation of Cuba: By October 1960 most of this administrative and technical personnel had left Cuba. The Americans and some of the Cubans were withdrawn by the home companies of the plants for which they worked, or left of their own accord: they found themselves unable to understand the struggle with the United States, unwilling to accept the new way of life that was opening up before them. The Revolutionary Government had to keep the factories and mines going only with a minute proportion of the usual trained and experienced personnel. A few examples can perhaps best give an idea of what happened. Five of us from the Ministry of Foreign Commerce, on a business visit, were being taken through the Moa nickel plant. In the electric power station--itself a large plant--which served the rest of the complex, our guide was an enthusiastic youngster of about 22. He did an excellent job as guide, but his modesty as well as his age deceived us and only toward the end of our tour did we realize that he was not some sort of apprentice engineer or assistant--he was in charge of the plant. I noticed that he spoke English well and asked him if he had lived in the States. Sure, he answered, I studied engineering at Tulane. As soon as he finished, he had come back to work for the Revolution and had been placed in charge of the power plant. In another part of the complex, the head of one of the key departments was a black Cuban who had about four years of elementary school education. He had been an observant worker and when engineer of his department left he knew what to do--although he didn't really know why, or how his department related to the others in the plant. Now to learn why, he was plugging away at his minimo tecnico manual--one of the little mimeographed booklets which had been distributed throughout industry to improve people's knowledge of their jobs. And so on throughout the Moa plant. The engineer in charge of the whole enterprise, who had a long cigar in his hand and his feet on the desk as he gave us his criticisms of the way our Ministry was handling his import requirements, was about 28 years old. His chief assistants were about the same age and some of them were obviously not engineers. Yet Moa was made to function. Even laymen are struck with its delicate beauty--a testament to American engineering skill. 'Es una joya'--it's a jewel, say the Cubans. It is much more impressive than the larger but older nickel plant at Nicaro. Shortly after the nickel ore is clawed out of the earth by giant Bucyrus power shovels, it a pulverized and mixed with water to form a mixture 55 percent and 45 percent water. From then on all materials movement is liquids, in pipes, automatically controlled. The liquids move through the several miles
Re: [Marxism] SWP faction declared
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Ever heard of microfactionalism ? Ever heard of anibal Escalante? He was expelled from the Cuban CP on that accusation. His crime? He was too pro-Soviet. lol Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Shane Mage shm...@pipeline.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] SWP faction declared == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Louis Proyect wrote: The Cuban CP does not have factions but that does not mean that there are not fierce debates. And there were, no doubt, even fiercer debates [post-Stalin] on the CPSU's politbureau (as Beria, Malenkov, Khrushchev et. al.) could attest. But (until Gorbachev) not a word of those debates was ever heard in public. As in Cuba (cf. Carlos Lage). The debates take place behind closed doors and are decided by a self-coopting bunch quite willing to demote dissenters. In a democratic organization or in a democratic country the only meaningful debate is that which takes place in public, and the only legitimate decisions on policy are made after that debate by majority vote of the members or citizens. The Communist Manifesto proclaimed that the *first* act of the working class upon seizing power is to establish democracy. The power of the soviets was a democratic power, and that was why Lenin and Trotsky were right to proclaim the Russian revolution as proletarian--and why the Cuban revolution and its state Party are not. Shane Mage Thunderbolt steers all things. Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Empty Cuba blather
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Allegedly, there were Cuban military advisors present in Syria (and South Yemen) during the Cold war period. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 11:18 AM Subject: [Marxism] Empty Cuba blather == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 2/8/13 12:08 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: What is Cuba's party position on Syria's ongoing conflict? Cuba supports al-Assad, as it supported Qaddafi. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why not nuke Canada?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Well, maybe Canada taking over Detroit back then might not have been sich a bad idea. At least, the unemoployed there would have had health insurance (lol). El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: DW dwalters...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Why not nuke Canada? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Michael, it is quite well documented and if you look at the blog link it take you to the actual, quite detailed article. However... this is not knew, either. Military history buffs have known Plan Red for decades. Most, including Plan Red, were navy focused and were war game theories designed to isolate the opponents navy forces. There were many such hypothetical plans for inter-Imperialist warfare between the World Wars. Plan Orange: To militarily defeat the Japanese Navy and possible invasion of the Home Islands. (pre-empted and outflanked by the Japanese after Perl Harbor). Plan Gold: To attack and isolate the French navy fleet and take their possessions in the Caribbean. Plan Green: to invade Mexico (this is after the Mexican Revolution). Plan Black: to tackle Germany should they be victorious against France in WWI Plan Gray: to invade Central America and a lot more, most developed in the 1920s and 1930s for every conceivable war. The British also had one as did Canadathey had, in event of war, a plant to take Albany and Detroit and force a peace on the U.S. A huh. Some of this is detailed in wiki. All documented. All 'active' until shelved after WWII. David Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Internationale
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There is a site on-line which has versions of the Internationale in most of the world's languages. Also, YouTube is another possibility, where you might have a closer look. Mike G El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] martha's vineyard
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Not surprising that the place is one of Bill Clinton's and Carly Simon's favourite hang-outs. The cokeheads of the original Saturday Night Live cast also liked the spot, I believe. Usually such venues do require a sizeable underclass to do the work that would be beneath the dignity of the hypocrites who call the spot home. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: guava tree theguavat...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:35 PM Subject: [Marxism] martha's vineyard == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Some of you may be interested in this little piece on Martha's Vineyard, an island off the coast of Massachusetts, favored vacation spot of liberal presidents, but which has quite a unique history and political economy-- The labor force in construction, manual labor, housekeeping, etc, consists almost exclusively of Brazilians, an interesting situation for this long-inhabited island, and one that presents problems of growing resentment and nascent racism as the crisis deepens. .. http://guavapuree.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/marthas-vineyard/ -- http://guavapuree.wordpress.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Spain Recoils as Its Hungry Forage Trash Bins for a Next Meal
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This is exactly what ocurred in Spain during the early years of the Franco period. First a miners' strike, and now this. The parallels are too eerie. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: [Marxism] Spain Recoils as Its Hungry Forage Trash Bins for a Next Meal == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == NY Times September 24, 2012 Spain Recoils as Its Hungry Forage Trash Bins for a Next Meal By SUZANNE DALEY MADRID — On a recent evening, a hip-looking young woman was sorting through a stack of crates outside a fruit and vegetable store here in the working-class neighborhood of Vallecas as it shut down for the night. At first glance, she looked as if she might be a store employee. But no. The young woman was looking through the day’s trash for her next meal. Already, she had found a dozen aging potatoes she deemed edible and loaded them onto a luggage cart parked nearby. “When you don’t have enough money,” she said, declining to give her name, “this is what there is.” The woman, 33, said that she had once worked at the post office but that her unemployment benefits had run out and she was living now on 400 euros a month, about $520. She was squatting with some friends in a building that still had water and electricity, while collecting “a little of everything” from the garbage after stores closed and the streets were dark and quiet. Such survival tactics are becoming increasingly commonplace here, with an unemployment rate over 50 percent among young people and more and more households having adults without jobs. So pervasive is the problem of scavenging that one Spanish city has resorted to installing locks on supermarket trash bins as a public health precaution. A report this year by a Catholic charity, Caritas, said that it had fed nearly one million hungry Spaniards in 2010, more than twice as many as in 2007. That number rose again in 2011 by 65,000. As Spain tries desperately to meet its budget targets, it has been forced to embark on the same path as Greece, introducing one austerity measure after another, cutting jobs, salaries, pensions and benefits, even as the economy continues to shrink. Most recently, the government raised the value-added tax three percentage points, to 21 percent, on most goods, and two percentage points on many food items, making life just that much harder for those on the edge. Little relief is in sight as the country’s regional governments, facing their own budget crisis, are chipping away at a range of previously free services, including school lunches for low-income families. For a growing number, the food in garbage bins helps make ends meet. At the huge wholesale fruit and vegetable market on the outskirts of this city recently, workers bustled, loading crates onto trucks. But in virtually every bay, there were men and women furtively collecting items that had rolled into the gutter. “It’s against the dignity of these people to have to look for food in this manner,” said Eduardo Berloso, an official in Girona, the city that padlocked its supermarket trash bins. Mr. Berloso proposed the measure last month after hearing from social workers and seeing for himself one evening “the humiliating gesture of a mother with children looking around before digging into the bins.” The Caritas report also found that 22 percent of Spanish households were living in poverty and that about 600,000 had no income whatsoever. All these numbers are expected to continue to get worse in the coming months. About a third of those seeking help, the Caritas report said, had never used a food pantry or a soup kitchen before the economic crisis hit. For many of them, the need to ask for help is deeply embarrassing. In some cases, families go to food pantries in neighboring towns so their friends and acquaintances will not see them. In Madrid recently, as a supermarket prepared to close for the day in the Entrevias district of Vallecas, a small crowd gathered, ready to pounce on the garbage bins that would shortly be brought to the curb. Most reacted angrily to the presence of journalists. In the end, few managed to get anything as the trucks whisked the garbage away within minutes. But in the morning at the bus stop in the wholesale market, men and women of all ages waited, loaded down with the morning’s collection. Some insisted that they had bought the groceries, though food is not
Re: [Marxism] Washington Post ombudsman: What about Israel's nuclear weapons?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's all so reminiscent of the USS Liberty fiasco. Must be Israeli exceptionalism (to coin a phrase). Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Joseph Catron jncat...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: [Marxism] Washington Post ombudsman: What about Israel's nuclear weapons? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's like all things having to do with Israel and the United States. If you want to get ahead, you don't talk about it; you don't criticize Israel, you protect Israel. You don't talk about illegal settlements on the West Bank even though everyone knows they are there. http://wapo.st/Oce6ag -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Washington Post ombudsman: What about Israel's nuclear weapons?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Another point to remember: US-Israeli security relations haven't been all smooth sailing. Just have a look at the secret report prepared by the CIA on Israeli intelligence and security activities, released around 1982 -- courtesy of the Iranians who occupied the US Embassy in Teheran! Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: John Wesley godisamethod...@yahoo.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Washington Post ombudsman: What about Israel's nuclear weapons? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's all so reminiscent of the USS Liberty fiasco. Must be Israeli exceptionalism (to coin a phrase). Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Joseph Catron jncat...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: [Marxism] Washington Post ombudsman: What about Israel's nuclear weapons? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's like all things having to do with Israel and the United States. If you want to get ahead, you don't talk about it; you don't criticize Israel, you protect Israel. You don't talk about illegal settlements on the West Bank even though everyone knows they are there. http://wapo.st/Oce6ag -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] “What’s disgusting? Union Busting! - Its Bitter With the King
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Sorry to learn that the long arm of BurgerKing has reached New Zealand now! Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Mike Treen m...@unite.org.nz To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: [Marxism] “What’s disgusting? Union Busting! - Its Bitter With the King == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == By Joe Carolan, Unite Union Quick Service Restaurant Organiser “What’s disgusting? Union Busting!’ was the cry outside Burger King on Sunday August 19th, as a union teach in turned into an occupation in Queen St, Auckland. http://unitenews.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/whats-disgusting-union-busting-its-bitter-with-the-king/ -- Regards, Mike Mike Treen National Director Unite Union 09 215 3392 029 5254744 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 2010 article on US-Sweden talks about extraditing Assange to the US
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Does anyone have the link to the live streaming from in front of the Embassy? Thanks, Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Stuart Munckton stuartmunck...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: [Marxism] 2010 article on US-Sweden talks about extraditing Assange to the US == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Presumably, no Australian government representative knows how to read... Informal discussions have already taken place between US and Swedish officials over the possibility of the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange being delivered into American custody, according to diplomatic sources ... His arrest in north London yesterday was described by the US Defence Secretary Robert Gates as 'good news', and may pave the way for extradition to America and a possible lengthy jail sentence. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/assange-could-face-espionage-trial-in-us-2154107.html -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] What's a good novel for 13-14 year olds?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == History will absolve me by Fidel Castro Ruz El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Nick Fredman nick.fred...@optusnet.com.au To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] What's a good novel for 13-14 year olds? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Not fiction but maybe one for the history teachers, and parents, and maybe for a younger demographic, but I'm becoming quite a fan of the books and BBC version of Horrible Histories, along with our 8-year-old (and somewhat less appropriately, given how gory it is, our not quite 4-year-old), particularly the often hilarious songs in the TV version. Not particularly radical overall, apart from the need for potential Marxists to get a good sense of history, but there's a few slyly subversive lyrics, e.g. We're just listened to 'The four Georges': Born to rule over you/Georges 4, 3, 1 and 2/You had to do what we told you to/Just because our blood was blue...People hated us, and we hated them too etc. The most subversive songs are: Luddites http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgBiGrpWNQU William Wallace, Scottish rebel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g61xASD-24 Suffragette city http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VamBADwizd8 Boudicca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LhT7rCC6O8 Not at all radical but hilarious are the ancient Celtic hip hop boast battle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXgtZbrcxBQ and the Viking soft rock anthem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSkaAwKMD4 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] What's a good novel for 13-14 year olds?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Well, it's considered politically incorrtect to read Huck Fin,n because of its supposed racism. The N word also appears a few times in Tom Sawyer. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Gary MacLennan gary.maclenn...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] What's a good novel for 13-14 year olds? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I may be showing my age, but Tom Sawyer, and Huckleberry Finn can't be beat and what about RLS's Treasure Island and Kidnapped? Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] PL: U.S. Collaboration With Syrian Terrorist Groups Confirmed
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The same was also true with Argentina, where both Cuba and the USSR maintained full diplomatic and trade relations throughout the Dirty War. Of course, Cuba's alliance with the Non-Aligned movement was a complete farce, given its unbending alignment with the USSR Nonetheless, Castro's position as leader of the Movement was quite a political coup for him, given that he served in that post during a period in which Cuba was a firm Soviet Satellite. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] PL: U.S. Collaboration With Syrian Terrorist Groups Confirmed == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 8/3/12 12:33 PM, stansfield smith wrote: U.S. Collaboration With Syrian Terrorist Groups Confirmed Washington, Aug 2 (Prensa Latina) United States have helped for months opposition armed groups in Syria after President Barack Obama signed an executive secret order with that end. Of course Cuba would take this tack, given its orientation to the Non-Aligned Movement. If the USA is hostile to the Baathists and to the Cuban CP, they will tend to protect each other. Cuba's foreign policy, however, should not be a model for the left. In 1968 when Mexican students were being massacred by the army and police, Fidel Castro did not make a single speech denouncing the PRI. In that very same year, when Franco was killing and torturing CP'ers and Basque nationalists in Spain, Cuba did not protest--not even once. That was because fascist Spain defied the trade embargo, just like Mexico. I can understand why a country under siege would make such a mistake but sycophants like Stansfield Smith have no excuse. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] PL: U.S. Collaboration With Syrian Terrorist Groups Confirmed
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, Spain and Mexico provided for many years Cuba's sole air and trade links to the non-Communist world. It's hardly surprising that Fidel was quite silent about events in those countries. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] PL: U.S. Collaboration With Syrian Terrorist Groups Confirmed == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 8/3/12 12:33 PM, stansfield smith wrote: U.S. Collaboration With Syrian Terrorist Groups Confirmed Washington, Aug 2 (Prensa Latina) United States have helped for months opposition armed groups in Syria after President Barack Obama signed an executive secret order with that end. Of course Cuba would take this tack, given its orientation to the Non-Aligned Movement. If the USA is hostile to the Baathists and to the Cuban CP, they will tend to protect each other. Cuba's foreign policy, however, should not be a model for the left. In 1968 when Mexican students were being massacred by the army and police, Fidel Castro did not make a single speech denouncing the PRI. In that very same year, when Franco was killing and torturing CP'ers and Basque nationalists in Spain, Cuba did not protest--not even once. That was because fascist Spain defied the trade embargo, just like Mexico. I can understand why a country under siege would make such a mistake but sycophants like Stansfield Smith have no excuse. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Olympic uproar as Welsh and Scots refuse to sing 'God Save the Queen'
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Looks like a repeat of what happened at the '68 games, when the US national anthem was played! Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Stuart Munckton stuartmunck...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:58 AM Subject: [Marxism] Olympic uproar as Welsh and Scots refuse to sing 'God Save the Queen' == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == British Olympics chiefs are reported by the media to be “furious” after Welsh and Scottish players with the “Team Great Britain” soccer squads did not sing “God Save the Queen” in official ceremonies before kick-off. Welsh players Craig Bellamy, Joe Allen, Neil Taylor and team captain Ryan Giggs all remained tight-lipped during the anthem ahead of the July 28 match with United Arab Emirates. On July 25, it was noted that Scotland's Kim Little and Ifeoma Dieke also did not sing it at the women's soccer match with New Zealand. The family of Kim Little said she had made a personal decision not to sing the anthem because “she is Scottish”. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/51724 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] CIA has little presence in Syria
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Let's hope that this isn't going to be a pretext for Obama et al.to now unleash the CIA, as that humanitarian president, Jimmy Carter, promised to do (in his final State of the Union address) during ther last days of his disappointing Administration. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:55 AM Subject: [Marxism] CIA has little presence in Syria == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-syria-cia-20120725,0,6946873.story CIA absence from Syria a setback for U.S., officials say The lack of a CIA presence in Syria leaves the U.S. with scant details about opposition groups. Critics see a missed opportunity to influence Syrian rebels. By Ken Dilanian, Los Angeles Times 9:24 PM PDT, July 24, 2012 WASHINGTON — Despite a dire need for intelligence about the groups fighting to overthrow the Syrian government, the CIA has little if any presence in the country, seriously limiting its ability to collect information and influence the course of events, according to current and former U.S. officials. American intelligence agencies have kept tabs on Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles, using spy satellites and other forms of electronic eavesdropping as well as information from allied nations and U.S. personnel in Turkey and other neighboring countries. The CIA also has some understanding of President Bashar Assad's government, officials said. But more than 16 months into the Syrian uprising, the U.S. government still is struggling for details about who the main opposition groups are and what motivates them, say the current and former officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity in discussing covert intelligence activities. Although U.S. officials have had considerable contact with anti-Assad exile groups, most analysts expect a post-Assad government to be dominated by the armed groups operating in the country. U.S. officials have worried that some of those groups may be linked to, or sympathetic with, Al Qaeda affiliates. By one U.S. estimate, as many as a quarter of the 300 rebel groups may be inspired by Al Qaeda, says Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. A major impediment to determining who is who is that CIA officers largely have avoided entering Syria or traveling to the battle zones since February, when the U.S. Embassy in Damascus was shuttered for security reasons after threats by groups allied with the Assad government. Closing the embassy left the agency without a secure base from which to operate, and CIA personnel left the country, the officials said. Critics say the CIA's absence from Syria is a missed opportunity to influence the fractured rebel movement. We should be on the ground with bucket loads of money renting the opposition groups that we need to steer this in the direction that benefits the United States, said a former CIA officer who spent years in the Middle East. We're not, and good officers are extremely frustrated. The CIA declined to comment. When asked about statements that the CIA lacks a presence in Syria, U.S. officials notably do not dispute the idea, talking, instead, about other ways of finding out what is taking place. We know a lot more than we did about the Syrian opposition a month ago and much more than we knew six months ago. That's because of increased contacts diplomatically and through a variety of other means that I'm not going to discuss, an Obama administration official said. Critics say the intelligence agencies have moved too slowly. The U.S. has no choice but to get involved in Syria given the risks of Al Qaeda influence, said Rogers, who is regularly briefed on intelligence about Syria. Moreover, he said, a sudden collapse of the government could put its large stockpiles of chemical weapons up for grabs. We lost a lot of time on this; our intelligence agencies are playing catch-up, he said. The administration was very slow to come together on a way forward. The Obama administration official responded, It's kind of hard to do a lot until you can get into a country. This issue is the subject of enormous amount of attention and concern. Some current and former officials said the dearth of American intelligence agents in Syria stemmed from the administration's unwillingness to risk having a CIA officer captured or wounded with little hope of rescue. They also spoke of a hypersensitivity in
Re: [Marxism] CIA has little presence in Syria
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Anywhere that the US has an Embassy (or Consulate for that matter), it can be assumed that there IS a CIA Station, with the CIA employees working under the guise of being Foreign Service employees, and fully protected by diplomatic immunity (hence serving at little or no personal risk to themselves). Syria would be no exception. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] CIA has little presence in Syria == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 7/25/2012 2:47 PM, Ron Jacobs wrote: This article, which stated that the CIA was not very present on the ground in Syria, contradicts other article sin other mainstream media that tell a different story. Personally, I believe the CIA is in Syria and trying to do what it can to influence events. Naturally, this doesn't mean they are having as much success as they woud like, but it doesn't mean they have little presence. When it comes to US inteliignece operatives, I tend to believe the articles that overstate their power as opposed to ones like this that understate it. Both work in the agency's favor by obfuscating their true role. Interesting. The person who posted a link to this article on Lenin's Tomb added this comment: (Predictable Stalinist reaction: only a naive person would believe this article from the bourgeois media which in fact proves the opposite is really true blah blah blah...) Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] New Cuban Left Position on Syria
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thanks for the update. I had long wondered what had happened to him after he went away to prison in 1961. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Dayne Goodwin daynegood...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] New Cuban Left Position on Syria == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM, John Wesley godisamethod...@yahoo.comwrote: Then why was David Salvador (non-PCC leader of the CTC) removed from his post and imprisoned by the Castros in 1961? As I understand it, he is still in prison. -- Forwarded message -- From: Dayne Goodwin daynegood...@gmail.com Date: Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] The role of unions in revolutionary Cuba To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:01 PM, John Wesley godisamethod...@yahoo.com wrote: Does the article say anything about the present fate of David Salvador, the leftist (but not PCC) former head of the CTC, who has been kept in prison by Fidel since around 1961? According to Robert Alexander's History of Organized Labor in Cuba (Praeger, 2002) David Salvador got out of prison around 1991 and went to the U.S., settling in Los Angeles area. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fiedel Castro's Childhood
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Legendary, Yes. Admirable, Hardly. (except for his amazing survivability). Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Marla Vijaya kumar marl...@yahoo.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fiedel Castro's Childhood == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I find it quiet crazy. Why do people assign such divinity to being Jewish or at least having Jewish roots. Why don't they realize that it is just another religion like so many others. I have read Castro's biography and do not remember encountering any such aspect. But does it really matter? I find this attitude (the greatness or otherwise) of being Jewish much more repulsive than the Hindu Nationalistic Fascism we encounter daily here in India. Stop maligning a highly admirable comrade and a legend of our times. Vijaya Kumar Marla Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] What are Cubans thinking?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == How does one define New Cuban Left ? Thanks, Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Ken Hiebert knhieb...@shaw.ca To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: [Marxism] What are Cubans thinking? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I sent a message titled New Cuban Left Position on Syria and it has provoked a number of responses. Among them - Daniel Rocha: Whenever I see criticism of Cuba, it's a criticism to the right, to reform capitalism. And nowadays, the discourse of reform of capitalism is of great importance to the capitalists, given that there is a growing world wide wave of the workers, given the intensification of the crisis. Cuba is a great escape goat/sacrificial lamb for these people. Can I trust that website? Is it really not a Trojan horse? Stansfield Smith: This is not some left position, nor some Cuban position. This is right-wing BS emanating from where all right-wing BS originates about Cuba. Suresh: The Havana Times is an anti-revolutionary right-wing news site, so it's no surprise that they should promote the counter-revolutionary critical observatory group that is promoting the pro-Israeli, Islamic fundamentalist Free Syria Army. As it happens, most left-wingers not under the sway of Zionism and neo-conservatism are not transfixed by the eminent overthrow of the Assad regime. To be blunt, the fate of the Cuban revolution is infinitely more important than a civil war in Syria from a Marxist perspective. Stansfield Smith: Again, this is not some left position, nor some Cuban position. All these Kautskyite ISO/ State Department socialist types on this list like to dig up all this garbage to throw at Cuba. Cuba's views are represented on granma.cu website. michael a. lebowitz: If you want to get a sense of what the Havana Times communicates, go to their site and search 'Dilla'. Ken Hiebert responds: While the website is based outside Cuba (in Nicaragua I think) the writers are genuinely Cuban and are giving their real names, as far as I can tell. Are they guided and paid by the U. S. government? From a distance I cannot say. Presumably the Cuban government would be watching that and would charge them if there were evidence that they were receiving money from abroad. I have only a little Spanish and I have never set foot in Cuba, so I must defer to those who have been there. Whoever on this list has been to Cuba, your reports would be much appreciated. I must rely on what little information comes my way. A friend of mine has been to Cuba four or five times now. On her first trips she was sent by her teachers federation to work in Cuba with teachers of English. She has formed same connections and has returned to Cuba to spend time with her friends. I sent her the link to Havana Times and she told me that it represents the thinking of some Cubans she has met. She tells me her closest friend in simply not interested in politics. Another friend of mine had contact with a Cuban band touring on the west coast in Canada. He described the band as being representative of Cuban society, some supporters of the revolution, some hostile to the revolution (or at least to the government) and some not interested in politics. The Cuban authorities have not moved to suppress participation in the website. I applaud their decision. This could indicate self confidence on their part or simply the realization that views that are suppressed over a long period have a way of exploding in civil strife. Or maybe they want to take energy of those on the website and use it to push reforms in Cuba. As I have been following the website I have seen the writers becoming bolder in criticism of the government, seemingly testing the limits of what can be said. I won't be surprised to read articles showing illusions in American democracy or other mistaken views. Some of the material I have read strikes me as naive. We don't have to agree with what we see in Havana Times. But I think we can agree that suppressing participation in that site would not help the Cuban Revolution. If you can, get a copy of La Vida es Silbar, which told me a lot about the Cuban experience. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plEGS7aOacI ken h Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com
Re: [Marxism] New Cuban Left Position on Syria
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Then why was David Salvador (non-PCC leader of the CTC) removed from his post and imprisoned by the Castros in 1961? As I understand it, he is still in prison. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] New Cuban Left Position on Syria == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 7/15/12 2:46 PM, Dan R wrote: Nothing I've read has indicated that the Castros have never been particularly interested in the independent organization or self-activity of the working class, which is the only social force standing in the way of the ongoing restoration of a more western, neoliberal capitalism. Well, why don't you tell the list what books you have read about Cuba. I am fairly certain I've read all of your pieces on Cuba, so no need to throw them back in my face. Whatever. Unlike you, I consider Cuba's role in stopping the SADF dead in its tracks at Cuito Carnevale far more important than any proclamations issued on behalf of states that were no worse than Mustafa Kemal's in the early 20s. Of course, for small propaganda groups words are far more important than action. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fidel Castro’s Childhood
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == That's interesting, because Franscisco Franco was also believed to have had Jewish roots. Both he and Fidel's ancestors hailed from Galicia. Franco came from La Coruna Province and the Castros from neighboring Lugo Province. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: guava tree theguavat...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fidel Castro’s Childhood == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == doesn't mention the rumors over his mother being a kind of crypto-jew, or at least descending from them, and there's one quote of Fidel's from 1941 about his identifying as a Jew although that could be interpreted in different ways I suppose-- I have only just googled this and come up with a few articles: http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/05/is-fidel-castro-jewish.html I think the jury is still out on this. But back to Christianity, wasn't there a young Georgian priest Dzhugashvili who also began a career in the Church and fell in love with Victor Hugo's '93, which charts the career of Cimourdain, a priest-turned-revolutionary/political commissar in 1793 France? On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Few Socialists probably realise just how deep Fidel Castro’s religious convictions and beliefs ran underneath his public Marxist persona. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Dresden Bombing
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Just look at his virulent hostility toward the Irish and their quest for autonomy, as an example. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Shane Mage shm...@pipeline.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Dresden Bombing == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Jul 11, 2012, at 4:02 PM, John Wesley wrote: Churchill...wasn't the divinity that the American and British ruling classes always painted him to be. But he was indeed the imperialist arch-villain that socialists and communists always knew him to be. Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Labor values: see you at the Coles picket line then Julia Gillard?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Don't hold your breath! Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: En Passant with John Passant en.pass...@bigpond.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:15 AM Subject: [Marxism] Labor values: see you at the Coles picket line then Julia Gillard? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == If you were serious about representing ordinary working Australians and not big business, Julia Gillard, you'd join the Coles picket line at 6 am on Friday morning and mobilise the ALP and its members in Melbourne to be there to support these ordinary working Australians in their just fight against two greedy and very tough companies. You could get a lift from Trades Hall at 6 am with Socialist Alternative. And a right royal ear-bashing. See you on the picket line, Prime Minister. See more at: http://enpassant.com.au/2012/07/ John Passant 1 Naismith Pl Kambah ACT 2902 0422 984 334 02 6231 3729 (h) ABN: 88841233810 My blog En Passant with John Passant is at http://enpassant.com.au You can access my academic papers on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at http://ssrn.com/author=1775800 (under construction) Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Dresden Bombing
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Supposedly, Dresden was hit as Churchill's revenge for Coventry ? He was quite aware that it held nothing of strategic importance. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: John Obrien causecollec...@msn.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: [Marxism] Dresden Bombing == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The City of Dresden was NOT a justified strategic military site on the nights of that mass bombing. It was wrong - and not necessary in efforts to defeat Nazi Germany. I changed this subject heading - so it is not confused with the Syrian intervention thread. Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:02:01 +0100 From: fuerdenkommunis...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] North Star shows the way to imperialist intervention The point is, no act of genocide took place during the bombing of Dresden. Dresden was a strategic city and accordingly a target of allied bombing. That civilians died is of course horrible, but its in no way comparable to the Holocaust, neither in terms of numbers nor of intent, unless you want to engage in the obscene intellectual exercise of trying to find a rational aim behind the death camps. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Dresden Bombing
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == That's right -- Schlachthof 5! Yes, Churchill had a few faults. Needless to say, he wasn't the divinity that the American and British ruling classes always painted him to be. Mike G El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Tom Quinn tomc...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Dresden Bombing == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Really, and there was also an excellent movie of it. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Andrew Pollack acpolla...@gmail.com wrote: And good lord, hasn't anyone on this list read Slaughterhouse-Five?! Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Actually, the Cuban revolution was launched in 1953 - on Julky 26. Krushchev did take a special interest in Cuba and also, as is not so widely known, in the FSLN, from the time of its inception in 1961. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Thiemann kiw...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Cuba was already veering toward the USSR as early as 1959, primarily due to the efforts of Raul. This was well before any blockade. Fidel Castro has often thanked his good luck for having failed to make the revolution in 1953, they were quite close then already. Do you know why? Because Stalin would not have supported them the same way Krushchev did, and he would inevitably have been overrun like Jacobo Arbenz. In 1959, the leadership were more conscious about this factor, they clearly anticipated a full response by the U.S. that could *only* be checked by the USSR. Nevertheless, trade agreements with the USSR were always concluded as a response to a corresponding step of the US in the direction of blockade and invasion. And that is how the Cuban revolution survived the Cold War a few dozen miles off the Florida coast. As friends of the USSR, but not as lackeys. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba/post-Prague shift in polkicy
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == From my not all-inclusive knowledge on the subject, the USSR, by the mid-Sxties, was becoming increasingly preoccupied wih the unpredictability of the Castro regime. Supposedly, in 1967, Castro was even warned by the Soviets that if he did not begin to adhere more closely to Soviet interests/alignments, they were prepared to abandon him to the US. The Soviet's concern about Cuba during this period primarily involved the Cuban policy of export of the revolution, the increasingly unpredictable behaviour of Che, the case of Anibal Escalante and his microfactionalism, and aactive attempts by China in the mid-Sixties to woo Cuba toward the Sino line. There was also the problem that the official (pro-Moscow) communist parties in Latin America generally were not in favor of the policy of exporting revolution, nor of the flamboyant behaviour of Che. Presumably it was due to this pressure from the Soviets, that Castro, at the time of the crushing of Prague Spring, made a significant change in policy, abandoning the romantic revolutionary outlook that had characterized Cuba up to that point, , in favor of becoming a more obedient, reliable member of the Soviet camp, a stance that did not change until Gorbachev and glasnost. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Thiemann kiw...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == So here the same piece of information in a better-formulated manner: If we'd won on that 26 July 1953, we wouldn't be here today. The alignment of forces in the world in 1953 was such that we wouldn't have been able to withstand them. Stalin had just died and the troika that succeeded him would never have given Cuba the support that Khrushchev did, let's say, seven years later, when the Soviet Union didn't, perhaps, equal the United States but did at least have great economic and military power (on p.583 of the autobiography-interview with Ignacio Ramonet, *My Life*). The Cubans were using the weapons that had arrived from the USSR at Playa Giron. Castro arrived in the morning of the 18th, and spent most of the next two days commanding a number of T-34 tanks. There is a good chance that these tanks also ran on Soviet fuel, which had begun to arrive earlier that year. I am saying that much of the material the Cubans were fighting with came from the USSR. Naturally, they never expected a military intervention of the USSR. As to your second paragraph: We can discuss the history if you like. I wish you were more focused on facts. 'Stalinization' is not a technical concept I recognize - define it, give some statistics, and we will see what it's worth. About the Prague Spring and the circumstances that lead Cuba to say it went too far - after applauding in its early stage: I know much to little on that subject, excuse that I will remain quiet. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The US blockade was not imposed until early 1962. I'm afraid that the chicken or egg question as it applies to Cuba in 1959 will never be resolved until such time as the Cuban archives are available to researchers. Nonetheless, I still believe that foreign policy alternatives were available to Cuba -- the Revolution was initially quite moderate in outlook, at least during the first half of 1959. The final break in US-Cuba diplomatic relations came as a result of Castro's unilateral demand that the US reduce the size of its embassy in Havana to eleven (presumably the same staff size as the Cuban embassy in Washington at the time). Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Thiemann kiw...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I was correcting your sentence before: Cuba did not veer towards the USSR before the blockade. Cuba would not have veered any centimetre towards the USSR if there had not been this special situation. They expected the invasion two years before it happened, and asked Krushchev for aid in this question of Cuba's very sovereignty. It was a strategic alliance, and one of the few situations in history where it was clear that no alternative existed. Do you really want to criticize that decision? Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thanks, Louis. I did take a look at the Wikiperdia article you cited. I was thinking in terms of JFK's banning of all trade with with Cuba, which came early in '62. Here are some more books which offer interesting revelations on events in early revolutionary Cuba: Amb. Bonsal's , Castro, Cuba, and the United States, ca. 1973. The Taming of Fidel Castro by Halperin (?), from early 1980's. My real name is Mike. John is just an e-mail handle. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Thiemann kiw...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == You could at least have read the Wikipedia article, it is a good, concise introduction. The blockade of exports to Cuba began on October 19th, 1960. Please, be more humble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba-US_relations#Post-revolution_relations There were some book suggestions for Cuban history on the list two days ago. Allow me to add: Boorstein, E. The Economic Transformation of Cuba. 1968 Good luck, John Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Very few Cubans are permitted Internet access. In any case, communicating on-line witrh Cuba is extremely difficult, even with official institutions. Perhaps it would be more accurate to compare the Stasi with Cuba's DGI or DGSE, both of which operate largely in secrecy. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Ken Hiebert knhieb...@shaw.ca To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:36 AM Subject: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Relying on memory, I believe Sam Farber once compared the CDR's Committee's for the Defence of the Revolution) to the Stasi in East Germany. If i am right this was in Against the Current. This seemed to me to be quite wrong. The Stasi operated in secret. Its informants were not known to their neighbours. Whatever else on might say, the CDR's are not secretive organizations. i do not mean to suggest that they are organs of popular control over the government. In the one video I saw of a CDR meeting, it seemed to me an organization that would draw people together, either willingly or reluctantly, to hear the party line on the current situation. While i disagree with Sam Farber i am impressed by the audience that he seems to have in Cuba. I follow Havana Times and i saw this piece he wrote on Hal Draper. I don't know how many Cubans follow this website. It is very critical of the Cuban government and the Cuban Communist Party. While it is hosted outside the country (in Nicaragua i think), Cubans are participating in it. Evidently the Cuban government is tolerating this activity. http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=66311 ken h Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Francis Scott Key on trial
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's perhaps not all that surprising. Remember that MD was a border (non-seceding), slave holding state. Baltimore was always a major hotbed of pro-Southern sympathy right up through the Civil War years. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Dennis Brasky dmozart1...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: [Marxism] Francis Scott Key on trial == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.salon.com/2012/07/04/francis_scott_key_on_trial/?source=newsletter Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The tendency is to blame every shortcoming of the Revolution on a blockade which has become largely ineffectual. As I've noted in previous responses, Cuba was already veering toward the USSR as early as 1959, primarily due to the efforts of Raul. This was well before any blockade. Examining the Cuban Revolution critically is not spreading imperialist propaganda -- despite the attitude of the still prevalent Old Left, as well as of the New. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: stansfield smith stansfieldsm...@yahoo.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Sam Farber and Cuba == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Re: the below comment: The reason Cubans have limited internet access is that the US blocks it. For instance, google is shut down in Cuba because of the blockade. Some people on this list think they are making a left critique but all they are doing is spreading imperialist propaganda: e.g, blaming the Cuba government for the poor internet access in Cuba caused by the US blockade. --- Very few Cubans are permitted Internet access. In any case, communicating on-line witrh Cuba is extremely difficult, even with official institutions. Perhaps it would be more accurate to compare the Stasi with Cuba's DGI or DGSE, both of which operate largely in secrecy. Mike G. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Farber replies to Links review of his Cuba book
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Gays were also frequently sent to the UMAP forced labour units. during the Sixties and Seventies. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Farber replies to Links review of his Cuba book == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 7/2/12 10:38 PM, John Obrien wrote: As for this list moderator's previous comment today, that dissidents were not placed in mental ward prisons - I assume that he was not familiar with Gays and Lesbians, who certainly were by the Fidel Castro regime. Other more unfortunates would be placed in horrible prison conditions - this for decades after the original infamous round ups and placements in work camps, that resuted in loss of their freedom, jobs, friends and family. What is the problem? I addressed myself to a very specific question, namely whether there were Cuban counterparts of General Grigorenko who was put in a mental hospital as punishment for defending the rights of Crimean Tatars. I would appreciate it if people have nothing to say about that, don't drag my name into another thread about homophobia. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Occupy ConEd!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The very same could be said of virtually every corporate racket in North America, needless to say! Utilities, specifically, should be municipalized to prevent abuses of this type. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [Marxism] Occupy ConEd! == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Imagine the CEO of your company stops you from coming to work because you won't take a pension cut; meanwhile he makes $11 million a year and the board of directors gives itself a 20% raise. That's what Con Ed just did to its union workers in the middle of a heat wave. Con Ed's 1% doesn't give a damn about its employees or its customers. *Occupy ConEd!* All day, every day, 8am-8pm @ Irving Plaza and 14th St, 2 blocks east of Union Square UWUA Local 1-2 Rally, Thursday July 5 4pm @ York Ave and 86 Street Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Farber replies to Links review of his Cuba book
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == In the early years of AIDS, persons with that condition were confined in such institutions. In the Sixties and Seventies, poliotical dissidents were generally sent to the UMAP forced labour units. MikeG. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Farber replies to Links review of his Cuba book == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 7/2/12 6:00 PM, glparrama...@greenleft.org.au wrote: Sam Farber replies to Chris Slee's critical review of his latest book. Join the discussion at http://links.org.au/node/2934 Slee's review can be found at http://links.org.au/node/2911 I'll bet anybody that Farber won't respond to my comment: Nice to see Farber engage with his critics on the Internet. This is something of a first. I see that he writes: It is quite clear that by the early to mid-sixties the Cuban leaders had succeeded in establishing a version of the system that ruled in the USSR with a one-party state bureaucracy controlling all of the social, political and economic life of the country without independent trade unions, the right to strike or civil and political liberties. We all know that the USSR used to confine dissidents in psychiatric hospitals, but did Cuba? Farber told an interviewer in New Politics (http://nova.wpunj.edu/newpolitics/issue35/farber35.htm): NP: In the 1970s and 1980s, the Soviets used psychiatric hospitals as a means of clamping down on dissent. SF: There was that in Cuba, too, particularly in the 1960s and 1970s. I have researched this question thoroughly and found no evidence of this. Maybe Farber can back up his claims with the facts. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Barry Sheppard on Wisconsin recall defeat
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Certainly the militancy and enthusiasm manifested last year in Madison were successfully coopted by the labor hierarchy and the Democratic Party, both of whom suceeded in diverting large amounts of energy, to be expended upon the magic word recall . The results of that cooptation are painfully obvious now. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Barry Sheppard on Wisconsin recall defeat == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Like most regulation, Taft-Hartley was embraced by those being regulated. It essentially precluded a lot of the activities that militants in the unions wanted done and labor officialdom wanted not to do. It settled these internal tensions in favor of the labor bureaucracy. The relation of the labor movement to Occupy, like that of liberal politicians to the movement, are ultimately rather blunt. As I've pointed out several times, they aren't trying to entirely dissolve Occupy or get Occupy to pass resultions endorsing Democrats. Their goal is to make sure that Occupy does not develop a mass independent power base. This is the common demoninator to everything they're doing. If Occupy wants to add a little drama to the News that is carefully focuse don embrassing the Republicans, who could object? That's not nuanced, though. It's all about what reinforces the same, tired old, failed strategies. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Can someone help me find instances of conference members staying on campuses rather then expensive hotels?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == In Minneapolis I've done that, staying in dorms at Augsberg College and Concordia University. Another possibility is to be put up by locals. I've done that with various gropus when meeting in Chicago. Thanks, Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: The Public Media Group mediacrus...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: [Marxism] Can someone help me find instances of conference members staying on campuses rather then expensive hotels? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == We are getting ready for a SCMS conference in Chicago next year and every year the price of the rooms drives the grad students, adjuncts, and underempolyed members crazy in trying to find rooms that are reasonable. It seems I recall conferences where hotel digs are there for those who can afford it, but other arrangements are made at local colleges, universities to help defray the costs of attending Chicago for a conference. Please forward this to anyone else who has experience in these types of situations. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Barry Sheppard on Wisconsin recall defeat
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Of course, the ability of the labour unions to become very active politically, outside of bread-and-butter iussues, was largely proscribed after W.W. II, thanks to Taft-Hartley. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Kenneth Morgan kenmor1...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Barry Sheppard on Wisconsin recall defeat == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's true that the unions were very much involved with the union drives of the 1930's and often overlooked, 1940's. On the other hand, movements such as the Civil Rights movement and the anti-Vietnam war movement were organized independent of the unions. Some unions did get involved after the movements became significant. At first individual union members such as E.D. Nixon of the Sleeping Car Porters Union during the Montgomery Bus Boycott, then later the leadership of some unions. As an aside I think E.D. Nixon has never received the full credit he deserves. Had the organizers of these movements waited for labor to get involved, well, they might have had a long wait. Same thing for the fight for economic justice. The Occupy movement, with whatever faults, was and hopefully is a positive development. Yes unions will have a role, but unfortunately after others have organized a fight back. On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hiebert knhieb...@shaw.ca wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Certainly the existing leadership won't organize a fightback. But the existing unions will have a role, if past experience is any guide. Looking at the big struggles of the 30's, typically the existing unions provided the framework for union organizing drives. ken h Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/kenmor1968%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fidel Castro on Erich Honecker
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I was referring to the fact of how one man (and probably his brother as well) chose to link an entire nation so closely and inextricably to the destiny of a country 8000 miles away. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Thiemann kiw...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fidel Castro on Erich Honecker == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == John, are you referring to a particular relationship Fidel had a part in (to the Soviet Union in the 1970s/80s, to the world market in the 2010s, ...), or just saw the opportunity to say something wise about Fidel? Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fidel Castro on Erich Honecker
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Actually, the latest writings on that crucial period of Cuban history which I've seen all seem to indicate that as early as 1959, Raul (maybe less so Fidel) were already in contact with the KGB and the USSR. Raul was initially the main liaison of the Revolution to both the traditional Cuban communists and to the USSR. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Ken Hiebert knhieb...@shaw.ca To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: [Marxism] Fidel Castro on Erich Honecker == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == John Wesley said: I was referring to the fact of how one man (and probably his brother as well) chose to link an entire nation so closely and inextricably to the destiny of a country 8000 miles away. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! * * * * Ken Hiebert replies: I think that Cuba was pushed into choosing between giving in to pressure from the U. S. or seeking help wherever they could find it. Without the hostility of the country 90 miles away, they might have had a less dependent relationship with the Soviet Union. ken h Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fidel Castro on Erich Honecker
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Is Fidel referring to himself when he speaks of the man who sold himself to the devil for a few shots of vodka? If so, that would be a remarkable admission indeed! El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Ken Hiebert knhieb...@shaw.ca To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:43 PM Subject: [Marxism] Fidel Castro on Erich Honecker == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.granma.cu/ingles/reflections-i/reflections-11june.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why are Democrats behind in Wisconsin?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Also, the bitter personal rivalries between the various candidates in the Democratic party have not helped the situation either. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Billy O'Connor bill...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Why are Democrats behind in Wisconsin? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect l...@panix.com writes: http://socialistworker.org/2012/06/05/democrats-behind-in-wisconsin Why are Democrats behind in Wisconsin? Too many fists in the air when the groundswell was building. The national Democrats can't afford to have people power defeat their own big campaign contributors. They'd rather lose Wisconsin than their funding. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Capitalism: A ghost story
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == She floats on her popularity, looks, and voice. If you listen closely to any of her remarks, they are hardly ever particularly profound or original. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Marla Vijaya kumar marl...@yahoo.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Capitalism: A ghost story == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == No comment on the lengthy article. This person, Arundhaty Roy is a non-committed elite social activist, who floats on popularity. I consider her to be a fraud. Vijaya Kumar Marla Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] WTF
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == If only we could aim a few to Chappaqua NY ! El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: michael perelman michael.perelm...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:37 PM Subject: [Marxism] WTF == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hillary Clinton brags about hacking Al-Qaida's computers in Yeman, while the US is imposing severe intrusions on privacy because evil doers might hack the innocent computers of U.S. business. In the name of peace, US drones are raining death around the world. Now the US is selling these lethal contraptions to Italy, perhaps to help the country impose more austerity or perhaps to aim them at the great financial institutions. Who knows? In any case, we can expect that sooner or later everybody will have these toys with which they can play foreign policy. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 530 898 5321 fax 530 898 5901 http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Leaving Facebookistan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's about time someone spoke out about the Facebook leviathan. I continue to be amazed at how many individuals and organizations have been sucked into its vile vortex! The author's advice is very good -- DEACTIVATE your account. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:08 AM Subject: [Marxism] Leaving Facebookistan == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/05/leaving-facebookistan.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A Memorial Day reminiscence
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Perhaps if others in those days had had a similar oportunity to travel so extensively throughout all parts of the country, there might not have been a civil conflict. Mike G. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 6:52 PM Subject: [Marxism] A Memorial Day reminiscence == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Private George D. Wilson of the Second Ohio was a militant freethinker who regularly argued against the Christian faith of his comrades. His is described as a mechanic, from Cincinnati, who, in the exercise of his trade, had travelled much through the States, North and South, and who had a greatness of soul which sympathized intensely with our struggle for national life, and was in that dark hour filled with joyous convictions of our final triumph. In April 1862, Wilson volunteered to help capture a locomotive in Georgia in hopes of cutting the rail link from Atlanta to Chattanooga. Captured, the group made escape attempts, after one of which, the Confederates took Wilson out to hang him. Thanks to the black witnesses of his execution, we have an account of what happened when Wilson faced his captors and chose to make them a brief address. He told them that though they were all wrong he had no hostile feelings toward the Southern people, believing that not they, but their leaders, were responsible for the rebellion; that he was no spy, as charged, but a soldier regularly detailed for military duty; that he did not regret to die for his country, but only regretted the manner of his death; and he added, for their admonition, that they would yet see the time when the old Union would be restored and when its flag would wave over them again; and with these words the brave man died. Pass it on to any of the lost cause goofs you might know. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The role of unions in revolutionary Cuba
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Does the article say anything about the present fate of David Salvador, the leftist (but not PCC) former head of the CTC, who has been kept in prison by Fidel since around 1961? Mike G El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/humaneco%40hsph.harvard.edu Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The role of unions in revolutionary Cuba
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It appears that the article , not surprisingly, does not ! Mike G El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: John Wesley godisamethod...@yahoo.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] The role of unions in revolutionary Cuba == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Does the article say anything about the present fate of David Salvador, the leftist (but not PCC) former head of the CTC, who has been kept in prison by Fidel since around 1961? Mike G El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/humaneco%40hsph.harvard.edu Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] There are real contradictions between management and labor in Cuba, resolved by thousands of grievance hearings on the shop floor. Here is where local and national needs confront each ot
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Sounds like state capitalism ! El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Richard Levins human...@hsph.harvard.edu To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: [Marxism] There are real contradictions between management and labor in Cuba, resolved by thousands of grievance hearings on the shop floor. Here is where local and national needs confront each other within a context of a common goal. == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There are real contradictions between management and labor in Cuba, resolved by thousands of grievance hearings on the shop floor. Here is where local and national needs confront each other within a context of a common goal. = Richard Levins Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How Cuba dealt with the AIDS epidemic
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Another minor point: The Cuban state had the authority to indefinitely quarantine suspected AIDS patients at the Hospital Psiquiatrico de La Habana, in Rancho Boyeros, near the airport. It also had the power to send prostitutes, homosexuals, and the sexually promiscuous to re-education camps throughout the Gulag tropical. Yes, there were quite a few other factors in Cuba's ability to stem the AIDS epidemic besides Fidel's supposed brilliance. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: [Marxism] How Cuba dealt with the AIDS epidemic == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] This shit has to be stopped! Why isn't the US left raising hell over it???
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == One reason why may have to do with the not insignificant number of millionaire Marxists and others of upper-middle status who call themselves socialists, etc.. These are persons who have never suffered a single moment of unpleasantness in their sheltered lives, let alone being treated in the manner that this border crosser was. It is difficult for these pseudo-progressives to feel much real empathy towards the plight of othets, save for the mouthing of slogans. El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: Ralph Johansen mdriscol...@charter.net To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] This shit has to be stopped! Why isn't the US left raising hell over it??? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == . Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Syria and the Palestinians: 'Almost no other Arab state has as much Palestinian blood on its hands' | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == El pueblo armado jamas sera aplastado! From: glparramatta glparrama...@greenleft.org.au To: Mr. Goodman godisamethod...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 6:54 PM Subject: [Marxism] Syria and the Palestinians: 'Almost no other Arab state has as much Palestinian blood on its hands' | Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal Yet, ironically enough Syria has by and large not welcomed settlement of Palestinian refugess on its territory! Mike Goodman == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == u can also follow Links on Twitter at http://twitter.com/LinksSocialism Or join the Links Facebook group at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10865397643 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/godisamethodist%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
