Re: [MBZ] parking brake too loose

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
thanks, Marshall.

Christopher

--- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > On my SD, the parking brake tightens
> > "semi-automatically", not so with my 240D (W115)
> or my
> > friends 240D (W123)...how do we tighten the cable?
> 
> The parking brakes on all the cars's I've ever owned
> required adjustment 
> of the star adjusters on the rear wheels. That
> includes the 115, 123, 
> 126, 124, 201s, etc. The adjuster at the cable
> junction is ONLY used to 
> set the cable length - not to adjust the pad
> position or pressure.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
Would be interesting to read a report of the global
fuel refining/shipping/buying/selling situation. I
forgot about planes...but I think flying is
down...maybe same situation as LCDR explained - down
and rebounding, but refineries need to reconfigure
back to pre-downturn diesel arrangement.

Christopher

--- Bob DuPuy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well my ill informed understanding is that a given
> barrel of crude
> will only produce so much of each desired fraction,
> unless the refiner
> rally pushes hard and does some complex more
> expensive cracking of the
> hydrocarbons. That being said we dieselers are
> competing with the home
> heating oil users and the jet fuel users. In europe
> over half of the
> new cars sold are diesels. With only cars using the
> gasoline portion
> of each barrel it is realatively cheaper. Those darn
> europeans are
> using up our share of the cheap diesel and sending
> their left over
> stinky gas here on the cheap.
> 
> Bob DuPuy
> Down to 1 SDL 1 D and two Mogs
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Re: [MBZ] Alda Line

2005-07-08 Thread Marshall Booth

John Peterson wrote:
Correction- yes, it runs from the ALDA to the electric valve.  I will 
try to round up some hose to run from the banjo to the ALDA.
 
The car feels like it is starving for fuel- but it could be that the 
turbo is running but the ALDA is not sending the signal to the pump for 
additional fuel. 
 
I also suspect a clogged intake screen in the tank could be a 
possibility- but wouldn't there be lots of air in the pre filter or 
other visible evidence of a clogged screen?
 
Could this be as simple as clogged injectors, or is an ALDA / pressure 
issue more likely?


The later ('90+) OM60x.96 engines opened the wastegate when the 
emissions control system was detected to be not properly operating or 
boost was excessive. This of course leaves you with NO boost so NO fuel 
enrichment. In addition, the wastegate OR the EGR could be stuck open!


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Re: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
LCDR,

Data point: very good. Makes sense as I have read
transportation shifts to rail in economic
downturns...the refineries would have tweaked their
refining for less diesel, now as demand has been lowly
rising (as you observe in Charleston), I can see how
there really could be a shortage...Oil Co's were too
slow on "correcting the correction."

2nd para: good point. It makes it easier to achieve
BioD and DinoD "parity", but my point was
gasoline/diesel disparity...I wonder, even with the
$4,000 tax incentive to buy a new diesel, how many
people have NOT bought a diesel b/c of the higher
price of diesel fuel (that would still be stupid,
though because the difference is made up by the
greater economy of diesel vehicles) to say nothing of
the $4000 credit on the new vehicle. 

Makes me want to buy a 320 CDI :-) (want and afford
are two different things).

Christopher


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> Shipmates,
> 
> Here's a datapoint: trucking traffic here in
> Charleston SC (major shipping port) has dramatically
> increased in the last 6 months, so I'd be willing to
> bet that demand is up across the country.  When I
> moved here in '99, just a few months before the
> bubble burst, truck traffic was huge, and it almost
> immediately dried up at the crash.  It's been slowly
> coming back since then, but much more noticably so
> in recent months.
> 
> I don't buy the BioD Conspiracy Theory, because it
> will encourage BioD producers by providing an easier
> price level to 'meet or beat'.  BigOil (undoubtably
> part of the vast right-wing conspiracy) will then
> lose business when existing customers leave, which
> hurts a lot more than losing potential future
> customers.
> 
> 
> Very respectfully,
> /s/
> LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
> ’85 300TD 321k miles (Euro 5spd)
> '96 Infiniti I30 148k miles (wife's 5spd)
> '73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
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RE: [MBZ] What to use as test refrigerant on R-12 system

2005-07-08 Thread Dave M.
Hi Tom,

Thanks for the reply. He bought the car last fall and the AC didn't
work then - don't know when it was last functioning. The car is on its
way to my house tonight, I should be able to put gauges on it and see
what's going on. If there's more than a few PSI in the system, we may
gamble on feeding it a pound or two of R-12 and hoping for the best...

:-)

-Dave M.

> --
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:17:02 -0500
> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [MBZ] What to use as test refrigerant on R-12 system
> 
> There is nothing that will mix & will work as a refrigerant.
> 
> Based on your tests, I'd say that your friend's system is low. There is
> no way of knowing how fast R12 will leak out without dumping a can in.
> One good sign is that fact that he has some refrigerant in his system.
> Has his AC been down for a while? More than a month? If so than he does
> not have a major leak and it's safe to dump in a can. If he had a major
> leak then you would not have any charge left by now.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave



Re: [MBZ] parking brake too loose

2005-07-08 Thread Marshall Booth

Christopher McCann wrote:

On my SD, the parking brake tightens
"semi-automatically", not so with my 240D (W115) or my
friends 240D (W123)...how do we tighten the cable?


The parking brakes on all the cars's I've ever owned required adjustment 
of the star adjusters on the rear wheels. That includes the 115, 123, 
126, 124, 201s, etc. The adjuster at the cable junction is ONLY used to 
set the cable length - not to adjust the pad position or pressure.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Turned up fuel on OM603, sans IC or WI

2005-07-08 Thread Dave M.
Andrew, I think I had that info in the forum post (linked to in my
original message). Anyway in stock form, at the end of the 1/4 mile
the EGT's were usually 1000F. With it turned up, they now hit 1100F. I
did some testing to 100mph and the temp gets to 1200-1300F by then. I
now have the water injection kit in-hand but haven't had time to
install it.

:)

+dm

> --
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:56:09 -0400
> From: Andrew Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turned up fuel on OM603, sans IC or WI
> 
> Dave,
> 
> I was wondering how quickly the EGTs increase during your typical 1/4
> mile runs.  I think you said you can do it in around 17 seconds.  I
> know this won't be exact, but would you be willing to estimate the
> EGTs during the run, ie how long until 900, 1000, 1100, 1200 ack 1300
> :)
> 
> I put something together that might help your EGT temperatures, but
> I'd like to see what the timeframes are first.
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy



[MBZ] OT: Craigs list

2005-07-08 Thread Rick Knoble
All you Craigs List users out there,
Is there any way to search multiple cities at the same time? It is a real
PITA to search 20-25 cities looking for a car.
Thanks,
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD



Re: [MBZ] Any Unimog experts out there?

2005-07-08 Thread Bob DuPuy
Take a look at www.rockymountainmoggers.com especially their links page. 

Bob DuPuy
Parrish, Fl
1 SDL, 1D, 2Mogs



Re: [MBZ] this might be a bad deal for somebody

2005-07-08 Thread JJJ
kevin...here in spokane i have a '76 240d sitting in the drive looking for a 
home...rough interior, good engine, tranny (5spd)...$1200 





Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Bob DuPuy
Well my ill informed understanding is that a given barrel of crude
will only produce so much of each desired fraction, unless the refiner
rally pushes hard and does some complex more expensive cracking of the
hydrocarbons. That being said we dieselers are competing with the home
heating oil users and the jet fuel users. In europe over half of the
new cars sold are diesels. With only cars using the gasoline portion
of each barrel it is realatively cheaper. Those darn europeans are
using up our share of the cheap diesel and sending their left over
stinky gas here on the cheap.

Bob DuPuy
Down to 1 SDL 1 D and two Mogs



[MBZ] Any Unimog experts out there?

2005-07-08 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Gday folks,

I am thinking about buying a Unimog for a business venture.
Does anyone on this list know anything much about them or perhaps point me in 
the right direction to someone who does.
http://www.awdsales.com.au/used/usedm5.htm
or check out ebay number 4559011099
As you can see it has not done many k's but is 23 years old.
My main worry is that a lot of the rubber components have gone off with age.

Thanks,

Hendrik


Re: [MBZ] Alda Line

2005-07-08 Thread Marshall Booth

John Peterson wrote:
So, while I'm at the process of cleaning out the injectors I clean the 
banjo fitting- good.  Then I check hoses from the Alda to the vacuum 
amplifier (blue disk shaped thing) and they let air pass okay.  But 
here's the strange thing- with the "Y" adapter that attacheds to the 
ALDA disconnected the car drives equally slow.


I have 2 2.5's -- this one has less power (although has gotten better 
with the purge)


If I disconnect the "Y" at the ALDA, I should see some performance 
difference, no?  What to check next?


The 300D 2.5, 124.128 is fundamentally similar to earlier diesels, but 
it's more complex emission controls make diagnosis of problems more 
complex. Sounds like you are in the "limp home" mode (no turboboost/fuel 
enrichment). This may be because the EGR is not properly functioning (it 
can't easily be disabled as it can be in earlier diesels) because the 
pressure sensor has shorted out, the boost pressure is vented, etc., 
etc. Check EGR operation.


I'm not sure how useful the computer readouts are. You need to start by 
measuring the 0-62 mph acceleration time, then check what boost pressure 
to the ALDA actually is (should reach 800 millibar between 1600-2000 rpm 
under full load with the pedal to the floor).


Disconnecting ANYTHING is likely to do NOTHING or reduce power!

I've attached vacuum diagrams of the 602.96 engines used in 124s with 
auto transmissions (will be stripped from the list copy).


Marshall
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124.128Vac.pdf
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Re: [MBZ] Alda Line

2005-07-08 Thread John Peterson
Correction- yes, it runs from the ALDA to the electric valve.  I will try to 
round up some hose to run from the banjo to the ALDA.

The car feels like it is starving for fuel- but it could be that the turbo is 
running but the ALDA is not sending the signal to the pump for additional fuel. 
 

I also suspect a clogged intake screen in the tank could be a possibility- but 
wouldn't there be lots of air in the pre filter or other visible evidence of a 
clogged screen?

Could this be as simple as clogged injectors, or is an ALDA / pressure issue 
more likely?
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alda Line


  In a message dated 7/8/2005 2:21:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
So, while I'm at the process of cleaning out the injectors I clean the 
banjo 
fitting- good.  Then I check hoses from the Alda to the vacuum amplifier 
(blue disk shaped thing) and they let air pass okay.  But here's the 
strange 
thing- with the "Y" adapter that attacheds to the ALDA disconnected the car 
drives equally slow.

I have 2 2.5's -- this one has less power (although has gotten better with 
the purge)

If I disconnect the "Y" at the ALDA, I should see some performance 
difference, no?  What to check next?

  John,

  I don't know why your ALDA would be connected to the vacuum amplifier 
(normally this is for the auto transmission modulator)!  From the banjo on the 
intake manifold, the pressure signal should go through a normally open electric 
valve (part of over boost protection) and then to the ALDA.  On yours there may 
be a tee in the line for an electronic sensor/monitor.

  For a GOOD test, you should run a pressure line directly from the banjo 
fitting to the ALDA.

  Please review your connections and try the test I mentioned.  

  Jim Friesen
  Phoenix AZ
  79 300SD, 261 K miles 
  98 ML 320, 136 K miles


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Re: [MBZ] Alda Line

2005-07-08 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 7/8/2005 2:21:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So,  while I'm at the process of cleaning out the injectors I clean the banjo 
 
fitting- good.  Then I check hoses from the Alda to the vacuum  amplifier 
(blue disk shaped thing) and they let air pass okay.  But  here's the strange 
thing- with the "Y" adapter that attacheds to the ALDA  disconnected the car 
drives equally slow.

I have 2 2.5's -- this  one has less power (although has gotten better with 
the purge)

If I  disconnect the "Y" at the ALDA, I should see some performance 
difference,  no?  What to check next?



John,
 
I don't know why your ALDA would be connected to the vacuum amplifier  
(normally this is for the auto transmission modulator)!  From the banjo on  the 
intake manifold, the pressure signal should go through a normally  open 
electric 
valve (part of over boost protection) and then to the  ALDA.  On yours there 
may be a tee in the line for an electronic  sensor/monitor.
 
For a GOOD test, you should run a pressure line directly from the banjo  
fitting to the ALDA.
 
Please review your connections and try the test I mentioned.   

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 136 K  miles



[MBZ] price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread meadedillon
Shipmates,

Here's a datapoint: trucking traffic here in Charleston SC (major shipping 
port) has dramatically increased in the last 6 months, so I'd be willing to bet 
that demand is up across the country.  When I moved here in '99, just a few 
months before the bubble burst, truck traffic was huge, and it almost 
immediately dried up at the crash.  It's been slowly coming back since then, 
but much more noticably so in recent months.

I don't buy the BioD Conspiracy Theory, because it will encourage BioD 
producers by providing an easier price level to 'meet or beat'.  BigOil 
(undoubtably part of the vast right-wing conspiracy) will then lose business 
when existing customers leave, which hurts a lot more than losing potential 
future customers.


Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
’85 300TD 321k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 148k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

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[MBZ] parking brake too loose

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
On my SD, the parking brake tightens
"semi-automatically", not so with my 240D (W115) or my
friends 240D (W123)...how do we tighten the cable?

Thanks

Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 207K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
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Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
No doubt that inflation favors borrowing for that
reason (until interest rates catch up to offset
inflation)...but look up inflation in a OLDER
dictionary...like a 1950's Webster's and you get a
VERY good definition of inflation.

Christopher

--- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > It's called price inflation (which, BTW, is not
> the
> > same as money supply infaltion, but that is a
> thread
> > we probably don't want to start).
> > 
> > The Byzantine Empire had NO inflation for about
> 800
> > years. Can you imagine a pair of shoes costing the
> > same today as they did in the year 1200? Inflation
> is
> > not inevitable, it is created.
> > 
> > Christopher
> 
> Inflation was created by people that figured that
> paying back the money 
> they borrowed with money that was worth less would
> be a cleaver idea.
> 
> Marshall
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[MBZ] Alda Line

2005-07-08 Thread John Peterson
So, while I'm at the process of cleaning out the injectors I clean the banjo 
fitting- good.  Then I check hoses from the Alda to the vacuum amplifier 
(blue disk shaped thing) and they let air pass okay.  But here's the strange 
thing- with the "Y" adapter that attacheds to the ALDA disconnected the car 
drives equally slow.


I have 2 2.5's -- this one has less power (although has gotten better with 
the purge)


If I disconnect the "Y" at the ALDA, I should see some performance 
difference, no?  What to check next?


John Peterson
Kingston RI
90 300D 2.5 127k
91 300D 2.5 73k




Re: [MBZ] Lt. Don

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
thanks for the info.

Christopher

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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
They called it usury back then and it was considered a
sin...unless on a "productive" loan...getting way OT.
No, they simnply controlled the purity of thier gold
Bezants very strictly. THey never "inflated" by
decreasing the gold content but forcing people to
accept them at the same face value (like the Fed does
when it "creates" more money that there are goods and
services in the economy).

CM

--- Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Apparently Christopher wrote:
> 
> "The Byzantine Empire had NO inflation for about 800
> years. Can you imagine a pair of shoes costing the
> same today as they did in the year 1200? Inflation
> is
> not inevitable, it is created.
> 
> Christopher"
> 
> 
> 
> It's probably because they never charged interest!
> That's a major 
> problem causer.
> 
> When was charging interest "invented"?
> 
> Jeff Zedic
> Toronto
> 87 300TD
> 83 300D
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Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Marshall Booth

Christopher McCann wrote:

It's called price inflation (which, BTW, is not the
same as money supply infaltion, but that is a thread
we probably don't want to start).

The Byzantine Empire had NO inflation for about 800
years. Can you imagine a pair of shoes costing the
same today as they did in the year 1200? Inflation is
not inevitable, it is created.

Christopher


Inflation was created by people that figured that paying back the money 
they borrowed with money that was worth less would be a cleaver idea.


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Re: [MBZ] Lt. Don

2005-07-08 Thread John Ervine

Rick Knoble wrote:

Or Melissa for that matter...


Melissa has posted on the new list before, Lt. Don is busying himself with the 
Okie-Banned list.

--
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1981 240D 4-spd 265+kmi
1980 300TD 163+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi



[MBZ] Re: Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 45

2005-07-08 Thread Curt Raymond

So when its "flooded" have you pulled a sparkplug to see if its actually wet?

-Curt


Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:13:53 -0700
From: "Joseph Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [MBZ] Diagnosing problems on my '72 250C
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Thomas-

Thanks-I appreciate the input, and want to make clear that I was not 
asking 
the last question in a smart-a** way-was not asking, "Well then WHY DID 
IT 
START FINE THE FIRST TIME???"  But was really saying, "Okay, I know you 
think it is an ignition problem, but honestly, why would it fire fine 
once 
and not just moments later-and why would it fire and start several 
times 
sometimes, and not fire it again after firing several times?"  And I 
suppose 
the answer is simply, as you say, that these problems can be 
intermittent-which I do understand from a couple of repeated issues I 
had 
with a couple of my old trucks at one time.  But it is still confusing 
and 
frustrating!!!

However, now that I think about it this way, flooding is something of 
an 
ignition problem itself, isn't it?  When the plugs get too wet to fire, 
there is NO ignition, right?  But you mean something in the ignition 
system, 
correct?

It seems most people agree, so I am looking that way-just having a hard 
time 
pinpointing anything yet!!!

Thanks again-hope I have not been TOO bothersome!  I just REALLY want 
to 
save this little car and actually DRIVE her!

Michael



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Re: [MBZ] Lt. Don

2005-07-08 Thread Rick Knoble
Or Melissa for that matter...
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:36 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Lt. Don


> Whatever happened to Lt. Don - haven't seen him post
> since the switch?
>
>
>
> Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
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Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Jeff Zedic

Apparently Christopher wrote:

"The Byzantine Empire had NO inflation for about 800
years. Can you imagine a pair of shoes costing the
same today as they did in the year 1200? Inflation is
not inevitable, it is created.

Christopher"



It's probably because they never charged interest! That's a major 
problem causer.


When was charging interest "invented"?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D



[MBZ] Lt. Don

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
Whatever happened to Lt. Don - haven't seen him post
since the switch?



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RE: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
"What leads you to believe that diesel demand is up?"

I don't think it's up, I think it's down. If so, then
supply would have to be WAY down to justify a market
based explanation of diesel's high cost in relation to
gasoline.

These figures must be somewhere.

Anyway, I kept assuring all my friends and relatives
(when asked this past winter about how I liked having
a diesel now that the price is so high) that it will
come down in the summer - I gave the standard story.
The only thing I can come up with right now is this
conspiracy theory.
Also, I respond that with the increased mpg, I am
still ahead compared to the Toyota Sienna.

Well, back to work.

Christopher

--- Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Crude oil, unleaded gasoline, heating oil and
> natural gas are all traded on
> the NYMEX.  I did a cursory search to try to find
> demand for diesel, but
> didn't find it.  What leads you to believe that
> diesel demand is up?  I
> would assume that as the economy improves, demand
> for all fuels would
> increase.
> 
> Refined products can be shipped just like crude oil,
> and in fact, since the
> US is not building new refineries, it is likely that
> refineries built in the
> Middle East and other locations will be shipping
> significant amounts of
> product to the USA at some point.  In any case, the
> major refining centers
> for the US are New Jersey, Norfolk, the Gulf Coast,
> and Southern California
> (Long Beach).  There are others around, but those
> are the biggies.  Product
> pipelines run all across the country and deliver to
> local terminals.
> Product is also shipped by barge up the Mississippi
> and other rivers.
> Actual truck transport of product is pretty much
> limited to "last mile"
> delivery.  There is a pretty complicated food chain
> of middlemen
> (middlepersons?) in between the refiner and the gas
> station operator.
> 
> Royce
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Christopher McCann
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: RE: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting
> theory...
> 
> 
> Royce,
> 
> Your first point about the refining process new info
> for me, I assumed a fixed percentage of gas, kero,
> sludge, whatever came out of every batch. Good
> point.
> And it might be relevant if we have a high domestic
> demand for diesel right now, which I don't think we
> do. I would guess such data is available.
> 
> 2nd para - competition for crude misses my point
> which
> is the DISPARITY in gasoline and diesel
> prices...increased demand for crude (which there is
> from China, etc) increases fuel in general. I
> understand that. International competition for end
> product - do people ship tanker loads of diesel and
> gasoline around the world? Maybe they do, but seems
> like refiniing is LARGELY a local process.
> 
> "oil companies can't any more manipulate the price
> of
> product than the agribusiness folks can manipulate
> the
> price of corn flakes."
> Which is why ADM got fined millions of dollars for
> price fixing a couple years ago.
> Kraft used to dump tons of cheese on the market to
> force the price of milk down, then buy tons more
> milk
> to offset the loss on the cheese...until they got
> caught about 5 years ago...read up on the Wisoconsin
> Cheese Exchange.
> Anyway, I know that crude is traded as a commodity -
> at various grades - what about the finished product?
> Price setting is left to the producer at that point,
> it would seem.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> BioD in Germany, not part of my essential argument -
> agree. They have an economy of scale on the
> production
> end (France too, largest consumer of BioD) and I
> agree, it's probably taxed less.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Well, where to begin
> >
> > True...there are no "diesel refineries", although
> > for any given refinery,
> > the different trains are optimized for process and
> > stream, and changing the
> > mix is not exactly trivial.  So...if there is an
> > unanticipated shift in
> > demand, the refiners can be caught making too much
> > of one, and not enough of
> > another.  That's part of the planning process that
> > refinery managers go
> > through on a regular basis.
> >
> > "Higher demand" includes a lot of issues.  It's
> not
> > just transportation,
> > it's also competition for product and crude from
> > other countries (i.e. China
> > and India) and you won't necessarily see the
> answer
> > by looking at one small
> > part (i.e. increased rail shipping).
> >
> > Contrary to popular mythicism, oil companies can't
> > any more manipulate the
> > price of product than the agribusiness folks can
> > manipulate the price of
> > corn flakes.  The price of product is set on the
> > commodity markets and is
> > truly a function of supply and demand.
> >
> > The low price of BioD in Germany may be a function
> > of a lot of things
> > unrelated to the marke

Re: [MBZ] AC compressor angst - 1985 300C

2005-07-08 Thread Chuck Landenberger

Andrew,

It's a "radial AC compressor", built by GM and that went into most (if 
not all) of the Mercedes 123 & 116's w/a OM617.9xx engine..  
Marshall can correct me or refine the applications.  New should cost 
about $225 (+/-)...


I believe you have a 1985 300CD w/an OM617.95x engine...  As I 
mentioned before, used R4's have served well for me..  Even used 
one that came out my SIL's GM pickup..


I checked Rusty's site www.buymbparts.com and you have to call to 
determine availability..


Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
On Friday, July 8, 2005, at 12:42  PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


R4?

 





Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results

2005-07-08 Thread Marshall Booth

Mitch Haley wrote:

degcoast wrote:


Marshall,
I seem to recall you have advocated using Techron in the fuel. Would that be
a good idea in a situation like John's? Is Techron better than Purge for a
tank additive? (I know that direct Purge is best).



IIRC, purge is high concentration Techron (maybe 50%) in kerosene.
I don't know what the makeup is of the Chevron fuel injector cleaner
with Techron.


Don't use the Chevron ProGard fuel system conditioner with Techron. Use 
Techron concentrate. The concentrate for gasoline engines is proper for 
Mercedes INDIRECT injection diesels.


http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/nafl/auto/content/fueladd.shtm



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RE: [MBZ] OT price of corn flakes...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
Royce,

I agree with your example entirely...the speculation
(pure speculation) is that there might be a reason
that the end product producers (in this case oil
companies/refineries) are charging more for diesel
(corn flakes) so that people won't buy diesel vehicles
(corn flaskes) and will by gas (rice krispie) vehicles
BECAUSE once BioD hits critical mass, we can all pour
milk made from soybeans on our corn rather than milk
pumped from Saudi Arabia by Texaco.

OK, the analogy is getting crazy...but that's my
point. Once 20 million Americans own diesel cars
(remember the $4000 tax credit), if those 20 million
cars go to BioD in the future (when the price comes
down to due increased production economy of scale),
then no more money to the oil companies.

I'm just speculating on a possible MOTIVE for higher
diesel prices in realation to gas. BUT you may be
right in that simply there is more demand for diesel
right now compared to supply...but it seems ODDLY
coincidental with the rapid rise in popularity of BioD
and the new diesel models and now the Federal tax
break. I think big oil is afraid of diesel becuase of
the "spectre" of BioD.

Just a theory. Can't prove it, but I think it is
logical.

Christopher
--- Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Exactly my point...the price of corn is pretty much
> set by the commodities
> markets.  The price of corn flakes is determined by
> whatever the market will
> bear based on the value added by the people between
> the producers and the
> consumers.  Is it "fair" or "right"?  I don't know. 
> If you artificially
> inflate the price of corn in corn flakes, it will
> probably just result in
> higher prices for corn flakes at the grocery store. 
> Then people will buy
> rice krispies instead of corn flakes, and the price
> for corn will go back
> down.
> 
> Royce Engler
> 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> BenzBarn
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:59 PM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting
> theory...
> Importance: Low
> 
> 
> That's so much bull.
> 
> I grow corn and right now the price for a bushel is
> only $2.60 CDN.  Do you
> know how many boxes of corn flakes one bushel can
> make?
> 
> If there's anything is this country more out of
> control it's the price
> difference paid to producers compared to what
> consumers pay. There's less
> than 25 cents worth of corn is a large box that
> costs over 4 bucks.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Shifter problem on '83 240D stick-shift

2005-07-08 Thread Archer

- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shifter problem on '83 240D stick-shift


Is the rod from the tranny still connected to the shifter unit? Is it
a snug fit, or does it move quite a bit? There's a nylon bushing
between the rod and the arm it attaches to (on both ends). If it's
missing, it's possible that the rod is jambed, or disconnected.

On 7/8/05, Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My '83 240D won't shift into 3rd or 4th gear.  I pulled off the road and
> when I pulled back on the gear shift would move very far forward and very
> far back but woudn't shift the gears, so I drove home in 2nd.
> Looking under the car I found that the shifter mechanism for 3rd and 4th
did
> not move the lever connected to the transmission.  In trying to track down
> parts, used shifter units, and information on repair; here is the result:
> Rusty  does not have parts-- Precision MB in Tampa shows a fork and
detente
> but would have to order it and isn't sure if that would fix it-- Potomac
MB
> doesn't have a used unit-- Kaleb has a shifter unit but only sells it with
> pedals, transmission, and drive shaft-- the MB CD doesn't show anything on
> it--I can't find a drawing of it anywhere (haven't gone to the library
yet.)
>
> All suggestions will be much appreciated.  If anyone has a shifter unit
from
> a parted out car, that would be great if he price isn't too high.
>
> Gerry Archer
> '83 240D and 300D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a dog

2005-07-08 Thread Lee Einer

Pick 'n Pull cars are probably the more dependable of the two.

Plug 'n Play cars are Windows based and notoriously buggy. Nothing worse 
than getting the "blue screen of death" during rush hour driving...


Mitch Haley wrote:


Jeff Zedic wrote:
 


What's a PnP car?
   



If the engine management computer auto-configures, it's a Plug-n-Play car.
Otherwise, it's a Pick-n-Pull car, as found in self serve salvage yards.

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Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results

2005-07-08 Thread Marshall Booth

John Peterson wrote:
Marshall, I am running diesel purge.  I sent some directly into the fuel 
filter and poured the rest into the tank.  Seems to be working.


Diesel Purge will clean modestly that way. When that's all that's needed 
I find that a can of Chevron Techron concentrate (concentrated version 
of the stuff used as a gasoline engine injector tonic) does as well and 
is usually cheaper. Using Diesel Purge properly requires that you 
disconnect and put the supply and return hoses into the Purge container 
(I use a clean mayonnaise jar) and run the engine to PURE Diesel Purge. 
In the tank it's MUCH less effective.


Once the fuel system is CLEAN do not add anything to the fuel - until 
there is another problem.


I have found that running the engine aggressively (drive it like you 
stole it ;-) is the really most effective way to keep the engine clean 
and running smoothly - with a dose of Diesel Purge or Techron every year 
or two IF IT NEEDS IT and a shot or two of an anti-gel in the late fall 
and midwinter!


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Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Christopher McCann
It's called price inflation (which, BTW, is not the
same as money supply infaltion, but that is a thread
we probably don't want to start).

The Byzantine Empire had NO inflation for about 800
years. Can you imagine a pair of shoes costing the
same today as they did in the year 1200? Inflation is
not inevitable, it is created.

Christopher

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've noticed that as the price of gas goes up so do
> my wages. 20 years ago 
> when I made $15.00 an hour gas was a buck and
> change. Now that I make $30 
> something an hour, gas is two bucks and change. If
> gas prices returned to "normal", 
> would I have to take a cut in wages? When I started
> driving gas was 29 cents 
> per gallon. I wouldn't want to work for those wages
> again.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> In a message dated 7/7/2005 5:07:58 PM Pacific
> Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting
> theory...
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> 
> yes, once something goes up, its VERY  hard to get
> the price down 
> because they know people will pay it, take gas for
> example, I doubt we 
> ever see it go below 2 a gallon again, much less
> back to normal at 
> around 1.29
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Re: [MBZ] AC compressor angst - 1985 300C

2005-07-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
R4?

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Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread David Brodbeck

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
hell, I aint seen no raise since gas has starting going up, I think I am 
getting screwed.


Me either.  Cost-of-living wage increases seem to be a thing of the past.



Re: [MBZ] OT Non-MB diesel anyone?

2005-07-08 Thread Kevin
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 12:58:37AM -0700, kevin kraly wrote:
> I haven't heard of many of these things for sale, a 1981 Chevette powered 
> by a 1.8L isuzu 4 cylinder diesel engine with a 5 speed manny tranny.  For 
> $675, it may be a fun car and very cheap transportation for someone.
> 
> http://portland.craigslist.org/car/83103600.htmll
> 
> It ain't no Mercedes-Benz though.

And its 0-60 time is faster than its 1/4 mile time. No kidding.

They do get pretty decent mileage, and like someone else said, the pup/luv
trucks (and I believe even the early s-10) could be had with that engine.

K



Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
hell, I aint seen no raise since gas has starting going up, I think I am 
getting screwed.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've noticed that as the price of gas goes up so do my wages. 20 years 
ago when I made $15.00 an hour gas was a buck and change. Now that I 
make $30 something an hour, gas is two bucks and change. If gas prices 
returned to "normal", would I have to take a cut in wages? When I 
started driving gas was 29 cents per gallon. I wouldn't want to work for 
those wages again.
 
Ken
 
 
In a message dated 7/7/2005 5:07:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting theory...
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

yes, once something goes up, its VERY  hard to get the price down
because they know people will pay it, take gas for example, I doubt we
ever see it go below 2 a gallon again, much less back to normal at
around 1.29




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Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results

2005-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
degcoast wrote:
> 
> Marshall,
> I seem to recall you have advocated using Techron in the fuel. Would that be
> a good idea in a situation like John's? Is Techron better than Purge for a
> tank additive? (I know that direct Purge is best).

IIRC, purge is high concentration Techron (maybe 50%) in kerosene.
I don't know what the makeup is of the Chevron fuel injector cleaner
with Techron.



Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results

2005-07-08 Thread degcoast

Marshall,
I seem to recall you have advocated using Techron in the fuel. Would that be 
a good idea in a situation like John's? Is Techron better than Purge for a 
tank additive? (I know that direct Purge is best).

Thanks,
Dwight.
**
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1979 240D auto 244k + miles
Wickford, RI

- Original Message - 
From: "John Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results


Marshall, I am running diesel purge.  I sent some directly into the fuel 
filter and poured the rest into the tank.  Seems to be working.


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results



John Peterson wrote:


And I was all worried because the car wasn't tracking straight- and the 
paranoid me was thinking alignment or other front end work and I 
discovered something funny yesterday.  I was looking at the tires and 
they are all the same size, a matching set.  But in looking at one of 
the rims, I noticed that it stuck out from the rotor a greater distance 
than the others.  I took off the rim and compared it to the others and 
although it looks identical, the spacing for the lug nuts is different- 
the depth of the distance from wheel to rotor.  This one was out by more 
than 1 inch.  Must be a DIFFERENT wheel!!


I pulled it off and put on the spare and voila! Perfect tracking.

The "odd" wheel you have is from a 107/126 model car with ~25 mm offset. 
The part number PROBABLY starts with a 126 400 xx xx. The correct wheel 
for your car will have an offset of 48-49 mm (almost an inch MORE than 
the 125 wheel) will be 124 400 xx xx. Wheels with a 201 400 xx xx part 
number might fit, but are NOT rated for the weight of your car.


For the missing power issue, the Lubro Moly is doing magic- and it is 
gaining power DAILY.  Car was sitting for some time.


What Lubro Moly product are you using? Most are NOT desirable except for 
a short period of time.


Marshall
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[MBZ] Re: ALDA seals available.

2005-07-08 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 7/8/2005 7:37:18 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Wray,

If you recall, where did you get the seals for the  ALDA?

Regards,
Carl



Carl, 
 
I'll answer for Wray.  I was providing seals at my cost to the  list members. 
 I found the OEM provider and ordered 10 to get my shipping  cost per unit 
down. I am now on my 3rd order of 10.  But demand has  slowed!
 
You only need the tiny shaft seal, the housing o-ring will work fine with a  
light coating of Hylomar or RTV.  I still have 3 or 4 shaft seals left, you  
can have one at my cost, $6, and a stamped SAE.  OR  I have one  cleaned, 
tested, and resealed ALDA for $45, plus postage ($3.85 priority  mail).  email 
me 
direct at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 136 K  miles



Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a dog

2005-07-08 Thread Steve MacSween
Pick n Pull.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mid 80 PnP cars ???
> 
> What's a PnP car?
> 
> Jeff Zedic
> Toronto
> 87 300TD
> 83 300D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a dog

2005-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Jeff Zedic wrote:
> 
> What's a PnP car?

If the engine management computer auto-configures, it's a Plug-n-Play car.
Otherwise, it's a Pick-n-Pull car, as found in self serve salvage yards.



Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a dog

2005-07-08 Thread Jeff Zedic

Mid 80 PnP cars ???

What's a PnP car?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D



Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results

2005-07-08 Thread John Peterson
Marshall, I am running diesel purge.  I sent some directly into the fuel 
filter and poured the rest into the tank.  Seems to be working.


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Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results



John Peterson wrote:


And I was all worried because the car wasn't tracking straight- and the 
paranoid me was thinking alignment or other front end work and I 
discovered something funny yesterday.  I was looking at the tires and 
they are all the same size, a matching set.  But in looking at one of the 
rims, I noticed that it stuck out from the rotor a greater distance than 
the others.  I took off the rim and compared it to the others and 
although it looks identical, the spacing for the lug nuts is different- 
the depth of the distance from wheel to rotor.  This one was out by more 
than 1 inch.  Must be a DIFFERENT wheel!!


I pulled it off and put on the spare and voila! Perfect tracking.

The "odd" wheel you have is from a 107/126 model car with ~25 mm offset. 
The part number PROBABLY starts with a 126 400 xx xx. The correct wheel 
for your car will have an offset of 48-49 mm (almost an inch MORE than the 
125 wheel) will be 124 400 xx xx. Wheels with a 201 400 xx xx part number 
might fit, but are NOT rated for the weight of your car.


For the missing power issue, the Lubro Moly is doing magic- and it is 
gaining power DAILY.  Car was sitting for some time.


What Lubro Moly product are you using? Most are NOT desirable except for a 
short period of time.


Marshall
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'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm


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Re: [MBZ] Zenith carburator second stage diaphragm

2005-07-08 Thread Roberto
Do not worry Michael, I am sure you will help me the next time I have a 
problem that will propably be  sonner taht I want.


Roberto
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Zenith carburator second stage diaphragm






Hello guys

I was looking for a response and I finally did, the way to took out the 
second stage diaphragm, is easy, you have to pull the shaft untill the 
middle were are a small aperture, at this point you can separate the shaft 
from the ball joint in the actuating lever.


I hope this help somebody as well the info I have had from the list.

Roberto



Roberto-

NOW I know which one you are talking about!

Yes, that is how you do it-though I must admit, I was lucky to find it-no 
instructions anywhere mention that system!!!


Sorry I didn't get an answer to you sooner!

Michael



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Re: [MBZ] Diagnosing problems on my '72 250C

2005-07-08 Thread OK Don
So, after it stops running, pull a plug and see if it's wet and smells
like raw gasoline!


> However, now that I think about it this way, flooding is something of an
> ignition problem itself, isn't it?  When the plugs get too wet to fire,
> there is NO ignition, right?  But you mean something in the ignition system,
> correct?
> 
>
-- 
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Norman, OK 
'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC



Re: [MBZ] Shifter problem on '83 240D stick-shift

2005-07-08 Thread OK Don
Is the rod from the tranny still connected to the shifter unit? Is it
a snug fit, or does it move quite a bit? There's a nylon bushing
between the rod and the arm it attaches to (on both ends). If it's
missing, it's possible that the rod is jambed, or disconnected.

On 7/8/05, Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My '83 240D won't shift into 3rd or 4th gear.  I pulled off the road and
> when I pulled back on the gear shift would move very far forward and very
> far back but woudn't shift the gears, so I drove home in 2nd.
> Looking under the car I found that the shifter mechanism for 3rd and 4th did
> not move the lever connected to the transmission.  In trying to track down
> parts, used shifter units, and information on repair; here is the result:
> Rusty  does not have parts-- Precision MB in Tampa shows a fork and detente
> but would have to order it and isn't sure if that would fix it-- Potomac MB
> doesn't have a used unit-- Kaleb has a shifter unit but only sells it with
> pedals, transmission, and drive shaft-- the MB CD doesn't show anything on
> it--I can't find a drawing of it anywhere (haven't gone to the library yet.)
> 
> All suggestions will be much appreciated.  If anyone has a shifter unit from
> a parted out car, that would be great if he price isn't too high.
> 
> Gerry Archer
> '83 240D and 300D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] What to use as test refrigerant on R-12 system

2005-07-08 Thread Rob S .
safely discharge into the atmosphere and refill with $7  R134a cans 
from Autozone.  The newer stuff has oils that don't eat the seals in 
old cars.   That was the big stink with converting R12 cars to R134 -- 
you had to redo all the seals.  shops charged a few hundred bucks for 
that.   I have a receipt showing the PO of my old 83 300D paid $1300 to 
have someone retrofit the system.  Now all you have to do is buy a 
$40 kit from Autozone and somehow evacuate the old system.   (or maybe 
just discharge it)



the pros use nitrogen to pressure test AC systems.  - that according to 
my brother, an air conditioning professional.


of course he works on ammonia systems with supply lines the size of 
radiator hoses.



-Sealover

On Thursday, July 7, 2005, at 08:17 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:


There is nothing that will mix & will work as a refrigerant.

Based on your tests, I'd say that your friend's system is low. There is
no way of knowing how fast R12 will leak out without dumping a can in.
One good sign is that fact that he has some refrigerant in his system.
Has his AC been down for a while? More than a month? If so than he does
not have a major leak and it's safe to dump in a can. If he had a major
leak then you would not have any charge left by now.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com


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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] What to use as test refrigerant on R-12 system

Hi all,

My friend has a W124 with no A/C. I pressed the schrader valve and
there is still some pressure in the system, so it's not empty. I
shorted the low pressure switch and the compressor runs, and there are
bubbles (or something) visible in the sight glass. I did not have my
manifold gauges with me to test pressures. I assume the system is low
on R-12 at the moment. I hate to feed it precious R-12 just to have it
leak out. I don't have a vacuum pump, so I really don't want to open
the system. Is there anything I can feed in that will be compatible
with R-12 (and cheap1), or am I stuck either taking the gamble (add
R-12) or having to discharge, vacuum, and re-fill with a mineral-oil
compatible replacement like Duracool, AutoFrost, or good 'ol R-12?
He's on a tight (read: zero) budget but sure would like some cool air
if possible. Suggestions welcome...

:-)

--
Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 94kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 256kmi (Sportline)

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[MBZ] diagram for 240D shifter

2005-07-08 Thread meadedillon
Gerry,

Attached are diagrams from EPC (electronic parts catalog, Euro Compact version) 
which will be stripped from the list.  I've assumed that you have a 716.214 
manual transmission?  There's a couple other choices - let me know if I guessed 
wrong.  The transmission number is on the vehicle data card, or you can crawl 
underneath the car and read it off the passenger(?) side - someone correct me 
if I'm wrong.

I'm sure that Rusty can get the parts - he just needs the part numbers, which 
are available from the Euro EPC, which is available to you if you ask and you 
are willing to invest the time in getting it working (hint - EPC is notorious 
for not playing nice with all pc's).  You may have to wait for parts to be 
shipped from the fatherland (few weeks) if they're available.

If you just want to get the part numbers, let me know which number(s) and 
whether it's from image1 or image2, and I'll look them up for you as time 
permits.

Hope this helps,
Max

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
’85 300TD 321k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 148k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

"Most men would rather die, than think. Many do." Bertrand Russell


240D shifter image1.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


240D shifter image2.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


Re: [MBZ] Zenith carburator second stage diaphragm

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw




Hello guys

I was looking for a response and I finally did, the way to took out the 
second stage diaphragm, is easy, you have to pull the shaft untill the 
middle were are a small aperture, at this point you can separate the shaft 
from the ball joint in the actuating lever.


I hope this help somebody as well the info I have had from the list.

Roberto



Roberto-

NOW I know which one you are talking about!

Yes, that is how you do it-though I must admit, I was lucky to find it-no 
instructions anywhere mention that system!!!


Sorry I didn't get an answer to you sooner!

Michael





Re: [MBZ] Zenith carburator second stage diaphragm

2005-07-08 Thread Roberto

Hello guys

I was looking for a response and I finally did, the way to took out the 
second stage diaphragm, is easy, you have to pull the shaft untill the 
middle were are a small aperture, at this point you can separate the shaft 
from the ball joint in the actuating lever.


I hope this help somebody as well the info I have had from the list.

Roberto 





Re: [MBZ] Cost of Dist Condensor

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw




On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:30:56PM -0500, Potter, Tom  E wrote:
> I'm not an electrical expert, but I agree. As long as the capacitance 
is

> within the same specifications, any condenser should work. The problem
> is in determining the capacitance specifications. Better yet, throw 
the

> points and condenser away and get an electronic trigger (Compufire,
> Petronix, et. al.).

This is the best solution, IMNQSHO.




Perhaps it would be, but then, what if that is NOT the problem???


Well, that would suck...but you'll still have a superior ignition system 
that will give years of trouble-free service, once you find the actual 
problem.





Yes, but it would likely be years before I would find out what the other 
problem was, because I couldn't afford to do anything else to it for a 
while!!!


So, dare I askHow much are we talking about if I wanted to go up to a 
newer, more advanced electronic ignition system for this car


Thanks!

Michael





RE: [MBZ] Zenith carburator second stage diaphragm

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw



Roberto-

I did get this question from you, and have not been ignoring it, but have 
not gotten my diagram out to see which diaphragm we are talking about so 
that I can tell you how I got it off!!!


I will try to let you know what I did ASAP!

Michael


From: "Roberto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lista Mercedes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Zenith carburator second stage diaphragm
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:15:43 -0400

Hello guys

I was trying to removed a second stage diaphragm on one my Zenith 
carburators but I could not. I used a screwdriver to pryed off but nothing, 
any clue?


Thanks in advance


Roberto


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RE: [MBZ] Diagnosing problems on my '72 250C

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw




Thomas-

Thanks-I appreciate the input, and want to make clear that I was not asking 
the last question in a smart-a** way-was not asking, "Well then WHY DID IT 
START FINE THE FIRST TIME???"  But was really saying, "Okay, I know you 
think it is an ignition problem, but honestly, why would it fire fine once 
and not just moments later-and why would it fire and start several times 
sometimes, and not fire it again after firing several times?"  And I suppose 
the answer is simply, as you say, that these problems can be 
intermittent-which I do understand from a couple of repeated issues I had 
with a couple of my old trucks at one time.  But it is still confusing and 
frustrating!!!


However, now that I think about it this way, flooding is something of an 
ignition problem itself, isn't it?  When the plugs get too wet to fire, 
there is NO ignition, right?  But you mean something in the ignition system, 
correct?


It seems most people agree, so I am looking that way-just having a hard time 
pinpointing anything yet!!!


Thanks again-hope I have not been TOO bothersome!  I just REALLY want to 
save this little car and actually DRIVE her!


Michael



Ignition problems can be intermittent. If it were not an ignition
problem, it would keep running as long as you kept spraying starting
fluid in the intake.

I still say it is an ignition problem.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>If it does not fire the starting fluid, you have an ignition problem.
>


Okay-then why did it fire the starting fluid the first time?  And why
does
it often fire the starting fluid several times before it behaves this
way?

Thanks!

Michael



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Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results

2005-07-08 Thread Marshall Booth

John Peterson wrote:


And I was all worried because the car wasn't tracking straight- and the 
paranoid me was thinking alignment or other front end work and I 
discovered something funny yesterday.  I was looking at the tires and 
they are all the same size, a matching set.  But in looking at one of 
the rims, I noticed that it stuck out from the rotor a greater distance 
than the others.  I took off the rim and compared it to the others and 
although it looks identical, the spacing for the lug nuts is different- 
the depth of the distance from wheel to rotor.  This one was out by more 
than 1 inch.  Must be a DIFFERENT wheel!!


I pulled it off and put on the spare and voila! Perfect tracking.

The "odd" wheel you have is from a 107/126 model car with ~25 mm offset. 
The part number PROBABLY starts with a 126 400 xx xx. The correct wheel 
for your car will have an offset of 48-49 mm (almost an inch MORE than 
the 125 wheel) will be 124 400 xx xx. Wheels with a 201 400 xx xx part 
number might fit, but are NOT rated for the weight of your car.


For the missing power issue, the Lubro Moly is doing magic- and it is 
gaining power DAILY.  Car was sitting for some time.


What Lubro Moly product are you using? Most are NOT desirable except for 
a short period of time.


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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Re: [MBZ] AC compressor angst - 1985 300CD

2005-07-08 Thread Chuck Landenberger

Andrew,

IIRC, you have an R4 compressor, same as mine in the 116 300SD.  I've 
used a Harrison (GM/Delco) labeled used compressor and it fit perfectly.


Check w/domestic junk yards or Potomac German.  PGA will warranty 
theirs for ? days.  And you could get Rick at RC Imports to do the 
install if you don't want to..


Chuck
1980 300SD w/R134 doing a good job here on the "surface of the sun" as 
someone called Phoenix and environs.


On Friday, July 8, 2005, at 08:16  AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


Lister:

Here are the results of the diagnostics for non-functioning aux. fan
on our '85 300CD - it broke and needed replacing (not a fuse or other
electrical malfunction).

Before it was replaced, the compressor started to screech due to a
slipping clutch, so now that needs replacing as well [groan].

There are several brands of AC compressors, generally in the $200 -
$300 range.  Are there any brands that should be AVOIDED due to a high
failure rate?  We will probably convert to R134 at the same time.  Any
words of wisdom on this course of action be greatly appreciated.

Andrew
1983 300TD 275 K miles
1985 300CD 205 K miles

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Re: [MBZ] Ignition Module Under Battery Tray 250C

2005-07-08 Thread Russ Maki

Joseph Shaw wrote:



I went back out to remove the battery and look at this module 
underneath the battery tray, but cannot see a way to move the battery 
tray to get at it.  Is it the "finned" box that attaches to the tray 
itself and hangs underneath it along the very front edge of the 
battery tray?


That's it All you really want to do is make sure the wiring to it is 
ok.


Have you checked your point gap yet? And that lone wired-up 
anti-dieseling solenoid?


One more thought...The  ignition circuitry bypasses the ballast resistor 
when the car is cranking. You could be getting a strong spark when the 
starter is running, but a bad ballast resistor (or malfunction elsewhere 
in the ignition) could be killing your engine once you stop cranking and 
the ballast is no longer bypassed.


If I were playing Car-nak the Magnificent (the envelope please), I'd say 
you have two problems: fuel delivery (car won't idle due to two bad fuel 
cutoff solenoids) and weak spark (car won't go over 25 mph when it does 
run: insufficient point gap, bad ballast resistor, eroded connections to 
the ignition module, bad plug/coil wires -- who knows).


One question to confirm half my spitball theory: did the car's refusal 
to start begin after you broke off that solenoid wire?


Sounds like the PO disconnected the emission control boxes and 
solenoids. You probably/should have vacuum lines running directly from 
the carburetor bases to the conical side of the vacuum advance unit on 
the distributor and to the throttle dashpot on the rear carb. They 
originally were routed through the solenoids.


Not that that's the primary issue at the moment...

Russ







Re: [MBZ] Trunk Won't Open

2005-07-08 Thread Desert Rat
Hold on.don't have a 126 or manual anymore but I remember
something about an emergency cord to open the truck behind the rear
seat or something like that?

John

On 7/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about getting a vacuum pump hooked up to the vacuum line inside  the car, 
> have someone keep pressure (hand pump I  assume) on it if it's not holding, 
> and then gop around and see if it will unlock.  If the line is off or 
> completely broken it won't work, but it's better than drilling or damaging 
> the lock.
> 
> Steve
> 
> Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> What do I need to do to get it open and how can disable the locking
> >> mechinisms to be able to use the stinkin car to go to Las Vegas
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] AC compressor angst - 1985 300C

2005-07-08 Thread PONDERSOA
what type of compressor is this  thaer might be good news ...  


Re: [MBZ] Re: Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 41

2005-07-08 Thread degcoast
Curt,
e-mail me privately if you wold.
Thanks,
Dwight Giles
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage
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  From: Curt Raymond 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:05 AM
  Subject: [MBZ] Re: Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 41


  Hi Dwight and everybody who posed some interest.
  So today in the light of day I'm feeling like I got over excited yesterday... 
I should keep the car and put another alternator in it. I suspect that the 
diodes died theres a distinct smell of dead electronics. Nevertheless it'll 
still be under warrenty its only been like a month. I didn't pull the brushes 
but I'm thinking they should still be good.

  The car is in Gardner, MA. Its actually got a little more rust than I 
suggested before, theres a bit on the shroud in front of the radiator, and I 
fiberglassed a hole in the trunk a couple years ago that shows no sign of 
re-rusting. The drivers side rear door has a dent that was there when I got the 
car. Theres also a little surface rust here and there...

  Anyway Sunday I'm going to look at an '84 190D 2.2l 5spd. The guy wants $4500 
which seems high, its supposed to be perfect, 150kmi. My worry right now is 
that I don't have anywhere to keep my 240D if I buy the 190D, but I figure I 
can probably work something out.

  -Curt


  Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:38:42 -0400
  From: "degcoast" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] STUPID CAR!!!
  To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  Curt,
  Any clues on what you think it is? I must confess I have been drooling 
  over John Peterson's 90 300D but wife won't allow another purchase 
  right now. Where are you located?
  I know someone locally here in RI who is looking for another 240. Could 
  it just be brushes? OR maybe a bad pulley causing alternator failure?
  Dwight 
  PS-what color are your mats?
  
  Dwight Giles
  1979 240D auto 244k + miles
  Wickford, RI
  Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.

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RE: [MBZ] What to use as test refrigerant on R-12 system

2005-07-08 Thread PONDERSOA
you can do this use any dry gas I used the  key board cleaner  because it is 
a refrigerant gas ( just not for mobile ..auto ... systems) 
 what you do is add 3 or 4 cans to the system and check for leaks 
 this is done first immediately by looking for the big obvious leaks  than a 
few weeks later  by looking closely for oil stains on the front or  the 
condenser  around hoses and at the  Schrader  Valves  oil stains will appear as 
darker than the surrounding  area  areas to be  looked at closely are  
condenser, 
back and  front of the compressor ` and the  Evaporator  Coil  ( on my car I 
can see the base of it near the gas pedal)  .. look for oil leaks/ or stains  
when you discover them keep looking   oh yeah  DONT FORGET THE SCHARDER 
VALVE ( WHERE THE REFERDGERET  GAS GOES IN ) 
 THIS IS A LINK ON THIS PRODUCT AND ITS SAFTEY
 
   _http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/b_ 
(http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/b) 
 
 do you have a leak detector? I found mine at a pawn shop for like  25.00 it 
is a snap on model 5500 made by tif and  it  works on r 12  only.
 the gas i used did trigger the leak detector  form the  small amount or 12 
that was in the system ... 
 
 
 go to it ... 


Re: [MBZ] AC compressor angst - 1985 300CD

2005-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
andrew strasfogel wrote:
> 
> There are several brands of AC compressors, generally in the $200 -
> $300 range.  Are there any brands that should be AVOIDED due to a high
> failure rate?  We will probably convert to R134 at the same time.  Any
> words of wisdom on this course of action be greatly appreciated.


New compressors are better than any brand of rebuilds.
R134a may be a problem. PAG oil cannot be used in a system which
previously contained chlorinated refrigerant (AKA R12), and is
incredibly hydroscopic. POE oil is not a very good lube, especially
for a compressor designed for mineral oil, and is merely highly 
hydroscopic, not quite as bad as PAG in the water absorption
department, but still pretty bad compared to mineral oil. 

Most substitutes for R12, including R134a, must be used with barrier
hoses or the system will slowly leak, right through the sides of the
hoses. I'm not seeing anything better than restoring the system to
functioning condition and filling up with hydrocarbons and mineral
oil (envirosafe, duracool, etc).



[MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Bucks2
I've noticed that as the price of gas goes up so do my wages. 20 years ago 
when I made $15.00 an hour gas was a buck and change. Now that I make $30 
something an hour, gas is two bucks and change. If gas prices returned to 
"normal", 
would I have to take a cut in wages? When I started driving gas was 29 cents 
per gallon. I wouldn't want to work for those wages again.

Ken


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] price of diesel...interesting theory...
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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yes, once something goes up, its VERY  hard to get the price down 
because they know people will pay it, take gas for example, I doubt we 
ever see it go below 2 a gallon again, much less back to normal at 
around 1.29


[MBZ] AC compressor angst - 1985 300CD

2005-07-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
Lister:

Here are the results of the diagnostics for non-functioning aux. fan
on our '85 300CD - it broke and needed replacing (not a fuse or other
electrical malfunction).

Before it was replaced, the compressor started to screech due to a
slipping clutch, so now that needs replacing as well [groan].

There are several brands of AC compressors, generally in the $200 -
$300 range.  Are there any brands that should be AVOIDED due to a high
failure rate?  We will probably convert to R134 at the same time.  Any
words of wisdom on this course of action be greatly appreciated.
 
Andrew
1983 300TD 275 K miles
1985 300CD 205 K miles



[MBZ] Shifter problem on '83 240D stick-shift

2005-07-08 Thread Archer
My '83 240D won't shift into 3rd or 4th gear.  I pulled off the road and
when I pulled back on the gear shift would move very far forward and very
far back but woudn't shift the gears, so I drove home in 2nd.
Looking under the car I found that the shifter mechanism for 3rd and 4th did
not move the lever connected to the transmission.  In trying to track down
parts, used shifter units, and information on repair; here is the result:
Rusty  does not have parts-- Precision MB in Tampa shows a fork and detente
but would have to order it and isn't sure if that would fix it-- Potomac MB
doesn't have a used unit-- Kaleb has a shifter unit but only sells it with
pedals, transmission, and drive shaft-- the MB CD doesn't show anything on
it--I can't find a drawing of it anywhere (haven't gone to the library yet.)

All suggestions will be much appreciated.  If anyone has a shifter unit from
a parted out car, that would be great if he price isn't too high.

Gerry Archer
'83 240D and 300D




Re: [MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results

2005-07-08 Thread David Brodbeck

John Peterson wrote:
I noticed that it stuck out from the rotor a greater distance 
than the others.  I took off the rim and compared it to the others and 
although it looks identical, the spacing for the lug nuts is different- 
the depth of the distance from wheel to rotor.


Just for future reference, this is called "offset."  It can be a big 
sticking point when interchanging wheels between different models.




[MBZ] 1990 2.5 D Greasy Hands=Results

2005-07-08 Thread John Peterson
I've been slowly fixing the items on the 300D 2.5 I had shipped up from 
Louisana.


The windshield was replaced in my driveway for $179 by Triumph Glass 
(national firm) and it looks perfect.


I replaced the muffler with a dealer part (with help from Dwight Giles)

I replaced the fuel thermostat (with help from Dwight Giles)

And I was all worried because the car wasn't tracking straight- and the 
paranoid me was thinking alignment or other front end work and I discovered 
something funny yesterday.  I was looking at the tires and they are all the 
same size, a matching set.  But in looking at one of the rims, I noticed 
that it stuck out from the rotor a greater distance than the others.  I took 
off the rim and compared it to the others and although it looks identical, 
the spacing for the lug nuts is different- the depth of the distance from 
wheel to rotor.  This one was out by more than 1 inch.  Must be a DIFFERENT 
wheel!!


I pulled it off and put on the spare and voila! Perfect tracking.

For the missing power issue, the Lubro Moly is doing magic- and it is 
gaining power DAILY.  Car was sitting for some time.


I'm doing motor mounts next and the thing will be like new.  It is a 
beautiful riding car- with no difference in ride from my 1991 with 73k 
miles.  Having fun.


John Peterson
Kingston RI
1990 300D 2.5 127k
1991 300D 2.5 73k


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Subject: [MBZ] Test



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[MBZ] Test

2005-07-08 Thread Archer
Test



Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
> The free market ain't always so free.  I used to live in a small town
> where all the stations would mysteriously always have the same
> price...and always several cents more than the stations in surrounding
> towns.  I think they got together over coffee at the local diner and
> decided what the price would be each week.

It can be much simpler than that. Take south Pennsylvania avenue
in Lansing for example. There are a couple of price leaders on
that stretch of road, and everybody else just looks at their
prices and adjusts accordingly. "Hey, where'd all those customers
come from?" "Looks like Admiral went up 15 cents a gallon" "Well,
what are you waiting for, go change our sign".

The big three automakers used to collude in the financial news. 
GM might say "we plan on raising MSRP an average of 5%". Then in
the next day's paper would be an article giving Ford's response.
If Ford agreed, they'd raise their prices. If Ford wouldn't raise
their prices, GM would announce they had decided hold the line too.
Chrysler seemed to just do what the others did for the most part.



[MBZ] Re: Mercedes Digest, Vol 2, Issue 41

2005-07-08 Thread Curt Raymond

Hi Dwight and everybody who posed some interest.
So today in the light of day I'm feeling like I got over excited yesterday... I 
should keep the car and put another alternator in it. I suspect that the diodes 
died theres a distinct smell of dead electronics. Nevertheless it'll still be 
under warrenty its only been like a month. I didn't pull the brushes but I'm 
thinking they should still be good.

The car is in Gardner, MA. Its actually got a little more rust than I suggested 
before, theres a bit on the shroud in front of the radiator, and I fiberglassed 
a hole in the trunk a couple years ago that shows no sign of re-rusting. The 
drivers side rear door has a dent that was there when I got the car. Theres 
also a little surface rust here and there...

Anyway Sunday I'm going to look at an '84 190D 2.2l 5spd. The guy wants $4500 
which seems high, its supposed to be perfect, 150kmi. My worry right now is 
that I don't have anywhere to keep my 240D if I buy the 190D, but I figure I 
can probably work something out.

-Curt


Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:38:42 -0400
From: "degcoast" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] STUPID CAR!!!
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Curt,
Any clues on what you think it is? I must confess I have been drooling 
over John Peterson's 90 300D but wife won't allow another purchase 
right now. Where are you located?
I know someone locally here in RI who is looking for another 240. Could 
it just be brushes? OR maybe a bad pulley causing alternator failure?
Dwight 
PS-what color are your mats?

Dwight Giles
1979 240D auto 244k + miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.

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Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread David Brodbeck

Bill Gallagher wrote:
Keep in mind this country is based on the firm belief of capitalism  
. no price control, no price limit, whatever the sucker, no market 
will bear  go down the street a few feet and the price drops 
..Shop around and your considered a flake and more ...


The free market ain't always so free.  I used to live in a small town 
where all the stations would mysteriously always have the same 
price...and always several cents more than the stations in surrounding 
towns.  I think they got together over coffee at the local diner and 
decided what the price would be each week.




Re: WA state emissions testing (Was: Re: [MBZ] Re: Who's bright idea was this...)

2005-07-08 Thread David Brodbeck

redghost wrote:

Bend over

because the folks running the testing facility are morons when it comes 
to diesel.  Run some BioD for a tank or two to reduce emissions, and 
toss some purge or stuff in as well.


Then, when you get it tested, make sure they calibrate the computer and 
probe.  Sometimes they get 90% followed by 2% when you go back through 
five minutes later


Thanks for the advice.

I'm still not sure if I'll bring the car or not.  I may sell it before I 
go.  My roommate is moving with me, and taking two cars would be a bit 
awkward.  Also, my car's got a bit of rust on it, so its value would 
essentially drop to zero as soon as I took it somewhere where the roads 
aren't salted.




Re: [MBZ] Cost of Dist Condensor

2005-07-08 Thread David Brodbeck

Joseph Shaw wrote:




On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:30:56PM -0500, Potter, Tom  E wrote:
> I'm not an electrical expert, but I agree. As long as the 
capacitance is

> within the same specifications, any condenser should work. The problem
> is in determining the capacitance specifications. Better yet, throw the
> points and condenser away and get an electronic trigger (Compufire,
> Petronix, et. al.).

This is the best solution, IMNQSHO.




Perhaps it would be, but then, what if that is NOT the problem???


Well, that would suck...but you'll still have a superior ignition system 
that will give years of trouble-free service, once you find the actual 
problem.




[MBZ] Zenith carburator second stage diaphragm

2005-07-08 Thread Roberto

Hello guys

I was trying to removed a second stage diaphragm on one my Zenith 
carburators but I could not. I used a screwdriver to pryed off but nothing, 
any clue?


Thanks in advance


Roberto 





RE: [MBZ] Diagnosing problems on my '72 250C

2005-07-08 Thread Potter, Tom E
Ignition problems can be intermittent. If it were not an ignition
problem, it would keep running as long as you kept spraying starting
fluid in the intake.

I still say it is an ignition problem.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


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Subject: RE: [MBZ] Diagnosing problems on my '72 250C





>If it does not fire the starting fluid, you have an ignition problem.
>


Okay-then why did it fire the starting fluid the first time?  And why
does 
it often fire the starting fluid several times before it behaves this
way?

Thanks!

Michael



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Re: [MBZ] Trunk Won't Open

2005-07-08 Thread stevebailey3373
How about getting a vacuum pump hooked up to the vacuum line inside  the car, 
have someone keep pressure (hand pump I  assume) on it if it's not holding, and 
then gop around and see if it will unlock.  If the line is off or completely 
broken it won't work, but it's better than drilling or damaging the lock.

Steve

Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> What do I need to do to get it open and how can disable the locking
>> mechinisms to be able to use the stinkin car to go to Las Vegas


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RE: [MBZ] Trunk Won't Open

2005-07-08 Thread Potter, Tom E
You have a different model (123), but sometimes I have this problem on my '84 
380SE (126). I can get the trunk open by using the key on the passenger side 
door to open the locks. I have NO idea why this works.

Thomas E. Potter
Telephone: (713) 215-2877
Fax: (713) 215-2551
Mobile: (832) 794-0536


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Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Trunk Won't Open


Here's one I have never run into...my trunk won't open. There is
plenty of vacuum to everything else in the whole car and no the key
isn't locked. I never use the key.
What do I need to do to get it open and how can disable the locking
mechinisms to be able to use the stinkin car to go to Las Vegas
tomorrow? Hard to throw luggage in the trunk when you can't open it.

Thanks

AZ Bob
'77 300D 137K

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Re: [MBZ] MityVac

2005-07-08 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Hmm.. I know there a bit of overlap between lists, but I wonder if it
would be possible to get a multi-list group buy together for
something...

Andy

On 7/7/05, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What you are looking for, and what another MBZ-related list did a group
> purchase on, is a device called a 'Suck-Up'.  It holds over 2 gallons and
> has an elegant pour spout to discard the oil at your local mcparts.  Google
> "Suck-up, bilge" to get some suppliers.  Everyone on the other list has
> loved theirs.  If you try to make one out of a carboy, you will find that
> they are designed to be strong with force pushing out, but are rather
> lacking under vacuum.  It could be messy.  Funny, but messy.
> 
> Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> 78 Chevy Custom deluxe
> '85 300TD
> '02 Subaru Outback
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Karl Wittnebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:00 AM
> Subject: RE: [MBZ] MityVac
> 
> 
> > Think I found it:
> >
> > http://www.tooldiscounter.com/ItemDisplay.cfm?lookup=MIT7400&source=froogle&kw=MIT7400
> >
> > I suppose I could just use my vacuum pump hooked to a
> > carboy for a trap, but I'd prefer something tidy that
> > does not require a power source so I can do the job on
> > the street and haul straight to service station for
> > disposal.
> >
> > thx -
> > kw
> > --- Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure what you are looking for...My MityVac is a
> >> small handheld device
> >> used to check vacuum lines.  I suspect you are
> >> thinking of the $2 Oil
> >> Sucker.
> >>
> >> Royce Engler
> >> 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> >> Karl Wittnebel
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:25 AM
> >> To: Mercedes mailing list
> >> Subject: RE: [MBZ] MityVac
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Need a source and specific model number for a
> >> high-capacity Mity Vac, preferably one with a hand
> >> pump. Need the 8+qt capacity for OM 617 oil change.
> >>
> >> Can't find it in the (new) archive.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Karl
> >>
> >>
> > 
> >> Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch
> >> of boring production
> >> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid -
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes on Ebay

2005-07-08 Thread Alan Duff
I'm sure shill bidding goes on in Ebay auctions. I've sold several cars on Ebay 
and had a lot of zero feedback bidders. Never had one win but they were 
legitimate bidders so I assume some guys are looking for a car, so they set up 
an Ebay account and start bidding.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Levengood 


  I've bid on quite a few Mercedes on Ebay recently and I always seem to be 
bidding against someone with zero feedback.  It didn't bother me at first but 
it seems that it is now happening all the time. Have any of you out there 
noticed the same thing?

   


Re: [MBZ] OT Non-MB diesel anyone?

2005-07-08 Thread Mitch Haley
kevin kraly wrote:
> 
> I haven't heard of many of these things for sale, a 1981 Chevette powered by
> a 1.8L isuzu 4 cylinder diesel engine with a 5 speed manny tranny.  For
> $675, it may be a fun car and very cheap transportation for someone.
> 
> http://portland.craigslist.org/car/83103600.htmll
> 

The drivetrain, if good, has a fair bit of value to Isuzu P'up/Chevy LUV fans.
(if there are still any P'ups out there that haven't disintegrated into rust 
flakes)



[MBZ] OT Non-MB diesel anyone?

2005-07-08 Thread kevin kraly
I haven't heard of many of these things for sale, a 1981 Chevette powered by 
a 1.8L isuzu 4 cylinder diesel engine with a 5 speed manny tranny.  For 
$675, it may be a fun car and very cheap transportation for someone.


http://portland.craigslist.org/car/83103600.htmll

It ain't no Mercedes-Benz though.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300D 132K miles, Ingrid
1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie
1982 Mazda B2200 diesel pickup, 142K miles, Gopher for sale for $500 






RE: [MBZ] Mercedes on Ebay

2005-07-08 Thread Tom Hargrave
Some sellers prop up their pricing by logging in as a second user and
bidding themselves. This could be happening to you.
 

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com 

 

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Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:52 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Mercedes on Ebay



Hey everyone,

 

I've bid on quite a few Mercedes on Ebay recently and I always seem to be
bidding against someone with zero feedback.  It didn't bother me at first
but it seems that it is now happening all the time. Have any of you out
there noticed the same thing?

 

Sincerely,

 

-Scott Levengood

 

85 300D

84 300D

78 240D

80 240D

81 240D

82 240D

 



Re: [MBZ] OT price of corn flakes...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread BenzBarn
Ahhh.. no, that's not how it works. The price of food is remarkably
cheap in NA.
2 years ago the price of corn was about twice what is now. Believe me,
nothing makes sense when it comes to commodities pricing. At $20.00 per acre
of net profit farming's not very attractive.




Re: [MBZ] Mercedes on Ebay

2005-07-08 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I¹ve bid on quite a few Mercedes on Ebay recently and I always seem to be
bidding against someone with zero feedback.  It didn¹t bother me at first
but it seems that it is now happening all the time. Have any of you out
there noticed the same thing?

Sure. If the zero feedback bidder wins, however, I always save the auction
(or make sure not to delete it from my "My eBay" files) and check back to
see if the car shows up again. This could be a genuine non-payment, or of
course a case of a car that was not fetching enough so the dealer made sure
their shill came out as the high bidder. Obviously, I am talking about no
reserve auctions mainly.

Actually, eBay does respond to complaints about dealers who set up shills to
bid on all their auctions. A few guys in the MD area have been yanked for
that, but they weren't too smart about it. If you see the same user IDs
bidding up all the seller's auctions, over a period of time, report it.

But the clever guys won't get caught.

Mac


[MBZ] wartburgs and crack

2005-07-08 Thread Rob S .

apparently go hand in hand.

http://www.carsurvey.org/review_42958.html

http://www.carsurvey.org/review_42376.html

good stuff.

-Sealover




[MBZ] Mercedes on Ebay

2005-07-08 Thread Scott Levengood
Hey everyone,

 

I've bid on quite a few Mercedes on Ebay recently and I always seem to be
bidding against someone with zero feedback.  It didn't bother me at first
but it seems that it is now happening all the time. Have any of you out
there noticed the same thing?

 

Sincerely,

 

-Scott Levengood

 

85 300D

84 300D

78 240D

80 240D

81 240D

82 240D

 



Re: [MBZ] this might be a bad deal for somebody

2005-07-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

hmmm, I think I forgot to include the word "not" before the word "be"

Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:52:04 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6329&item=4560861201&rd=1



So why might this be a BAD deal?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] this might be a bad deal for somebody

2005-07-08 Thread kevin kraly

So why might this be a BAD deal?

Craig,

I was wondering the same thing unless the rust is a little more serious than 
the seller has stated.  240D 4 spd's are simple, dependable cars, and they 
go for quite a premium here in the NW.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300D 132K miles, Ingrid
1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie
1982 Mazda B2200 diesel pickup, 142K miles, Gopher for sale for $500, 
doesn't look great, but hey, it's a DIESEL! 






Re: [MBZ] Re: price of diesel...interesting theory...

2005-07-08 Thread Bill Gallagher
Keep in mind this country is based on the firm belief of capitalism  
. no price control, no price limit, whatever the sucker, no market 
will bear  go down the street a few feet and the price drops 
..Shop around and your considered a flake and more ...


Bill
1981 300 TD


redghost wrote:

Still $2.39 for dino and $2.96 bioD.  I think the increase is being 
blamed on a storm or two in the gulf



On Thursday, July 7, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:


Here on the surface of the sun, we just went blasting through the
$2.50 mark (here on the west side, you Phoenixites) for diesel, and
the schmuck that has the lone bio pump in town has reportedly raised
his price to $2.80.
My wallet weepeth.

AZ Bob

On 7/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Its insane diesel just jumped up to 2.25 overnight and 2.15 for gas 
from

2.18 for diesel and 2.03 for gas.  WTF???

Christopher McCann wrote:


I know these threads get tiring, but I am still in my
first year of "dieseling" and I recall from this past
winter the mantra "Diesel is always higher in the
winter because of demand for heating oil. Gas is
higher in the summer becuase of the travel season"
Fall agricultural use also uses alot of diesel it was
said...can't see, personally, how it's more than
planting in winter - it should be less. Plow, till,
rotovate, plant, cultivate, etc...harvest is nothing
in comparison.

ANYWAY, What the hell is the story now?


From what I know, there are no "diesel refineries",


there are oil refineries and all sorts of stuff gets
separated out. It can only be two things, it seems:
1. Higher demand. Well, I doubt that as train shipping
has jumped substantially (this happens in uncertain
economic times and confirmed by my friend who works
for one of the big rail freight lines) and trains use
ALOT less diesel to move the same freight as trucks
would. Is trucking up so much to offset this and
create higher demand?
2. Conspiracy (unproveable speculation here). The oil
companies remember that the '70's oil crisis caused a
jump in the sale of diesel vehicles. It's happening
again. Many new diesel models introduced. Front cover
of local car mag advertized the diesel Passat Wagon at
30-whatever mpg, etc. Fed gov just passed a $4,000 (!)
tax credit for the purchase of a new diesel vehicle.

The oil co's didn't care in the 70's/80's as they sold
gas and diesel. WHAT IS DIFFERENT NOW is that BioD is
becoming increasingly popular (log way to go, but no
doubt it is happening). I am wondering if they are not
keeping the cost high to DISSUADE the purchase of
diesel vehicles which in a few years might be able to
fill up on BioD for less than dinoD, which will mean
$0 from THAT customer to big oil (unless they are in
the BioD game too (I would be if I were them)).

In Germany BioD is the CHEAPEST fuel available...so
with economy of scale, price will come way down. (Euro
fuels are so high becuase they are about 70% tax).

Thoughts on the conspiracy theory?

P.S. THe old 240D (new to me) is working great.
Fun...going from the SD to it is like driving a
Mercedes go-cart...peppier than I thought (W115 might
be the reason).

Thanks.

Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 207K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs


Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)


-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"

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Re: [MBZ] Prices

2005-07-08 Thread redghost

About right if the tax offset is not passes on

Oh, that only works on B99

On Thursday, July 7, 2005, at 05:18 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Do you mean $3.969 per gallon for Bio  ?

If so, I think somebody is getting cleaned and it ain't the 
environment!


Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
1980 300SD
1986 F250 Diesel (6.9L)... But gets about 19 mpg around town.

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Bio at my station costs 396.9. Taxes. Much higher than super unleaded.

RLE

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Re: WA state emissions testing (Was: Re: [MBZ] Re: Who's bright idea was this...)

2005-07-08 Thread redghost

Bend over

because the folks running the testing facility are morons when it comes 
to diesel.  Run some BioD for a tank or two to reduce emissions, and 
toss some purge or stuff in as well.


Then, when you get it tested, make sure they calibrate the computer and 
probe.  Sometimes they get 90% followed by 2% when you go back through 
five minutes later




On Thursday, July 7, 2005, at 01:58 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


Kevin wrote:

On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:35:01PM -0400, David Brodbeck wrote:
Good to know.  What about emissions?  How strict are they on 
"tampering?"  Would a missing ALDA cap be a disqualification?
From what I recall, emissions testing on diesels varies by county. 
The
county that seattle is in (King?) required testing from what I 
recall, but they were more interested in opacity than anything. I'd 
wager that a missing
cap isn't something that will cause problems provided they don't have 
a
reason to go hunting. My 190D, being a 2.2 five speed, doesn't have 
an ALDA,
and was registered in a county that did not do emissions testing on 
diesels.
You should probably tell the list where you are planning on moving so 
that

someone from that county can give you more specific details.


It'd be King county.

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[MBZ] Pack of cars

2005-07-08 Thread redghost
http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/82947150.html   --French thing for 
Casey


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/83041092.html  --95 E300D  $8k Dealer

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/83059796.html  --Overpriced 240D  $4k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/83073086.html  -84 Diesel Vanagon $2k


no affiliation


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RE: [MBZ] Diagnosing problems on my '72 250C

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw





If it does not fire the starting fluid, you have an ignition problem.




Okay-then why did it fire the starting fluid the first time?  And why does 
it often fire the starting fluid several times before it behaves this way?


Thanks!

Michael





Re: [MBZ] Cost of Dist Condensor

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw




On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 04:30:56PM -0500, Potter, Tom  E wrote:
> I'm not an electrical expert, but I agree. As long as the capacitance is
> within the same specifications, any condenser should work. The problem
> is in determining the capacitance specifications. Better yet, throw the
> points and condenser away and get an electronic trigger (Compufire,
> Petronix, et. al.).

This is the best solution, IMNQSHO.



Perhaps it would be, but then, what if that is NOT the problem???

I am by no means homeless, but also am by no means RICH!

I cannot afford hundreds of dollars to buy a new electronic system JUST to 
see if MAYBE that is the problem.  I only buy cars when I can get them VERY 
cheap because they are not working right.  90% of the time, I can get them 
going.  Either way, I cannot afford to fix things before they are known 
problems-unless it is something inexpensive like a condensor.  It is better 
for me to sell it off as a parts car than to spend much more money for it.


Thanks, though-appreciate your opinion!

Michael





Re: [MBZ] Diagnosing problems on my '72 250C

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw




Joseph Shaw wrote:
> So I am back to thinking that there has to be a flooding issue.

Until this episode, I was thinking non-delivery. (especially since
you can usually get a brief run from fueling with starting fluid)




And now your thinking is???

I will say that, yes, like everyone else, I don't prefer the starting fluid 
usage, but at time it lets you know if fuel delivery vs. spark is the 
problem.


I also will say that, with the VERY light amounts I am spraying in there, I 
really don't think it is enough to run the engine for as long as it is 
running-just enough to get the first solid "turn" basically!


So, again, are you agreeing that it sounds like flooding now?

And, again, it is going through TONS of gas, so it is delivering, that's for 
sure!  Unless it is ALL going back through the overflow hose!


Michael





Re: [MBZ] this might be a bad deal for somebody

2005-07-08 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:52:04 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6329&item=4560861201&rd=1

So why might this be a BAD deal?


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Diagnosing problems on my '72 250C

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw



IIRC, You said you rebuilt the carbs, then tried running the car on old 
fuel

(read "varnish"). You might want to recheck the carbs for contamination
Just my 2¢
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD




Yes, I DID try to run it on the tank, but only for a very short time, and 
very shortly thereafter, went back to the new gas.  I know that this is a 
possibility, but, again, from much experience, and from the fact that it 
acts EXACTLY as it did before the carb rebuild, on good and old gas, I don't 
think this is the problem!


But, thanks, I will keep it in mind!

Michael





Re: [MBZ] Cost of Dist Condensor

2005-07-08 Thread Joseph Shaw




IIRC, the condensor is to keep the points from arcing-burning. You
should be able to run it a little while without one to see if that's
the problem. A condensor that's going bad will either cause the points
to burn (what I remember happening in my old cars), or short out,
causing no fire to the plugs.

All this reminds me why I love diesels!



Which answers the question someone asked about "What was wrong with the 
original engine?" when I was discussing replacing with a diesel!!!


Michael





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