Re: [MBZ] OT - Who Has Direct HVAC Experience?

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Thanks, I already looked them up.

And yes, I reinstalled the old thermostat and I get the same results. No 
cooling, air handler runs and the outdoor unit sounds like it's running, too, 
at least the fan is.

Maybe my compressor contactor decided to take a dump? Or the capacitor?

Meh. At this point I’m done, the guy comes at noon tomorrow. I’ll live,

-D

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dan, the Goodman installation instructions for wiring the thermostat should 
> be available online.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Dec 17, 2019 8:50:29 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :
> 
>> Bingo! We have another winner!
>> 
>> 
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> December 17, 2019 at 7:47 PM
>>> 
>>> Put the old thermostat back, see if you get the cold air again?
>>> 
>>> We have two of the Goodman units, one for each floor, that I installed
>>> a few years ago. We don't have the fancy thermostat though.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is this a good deal?

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Yeah, I know. I think some guy in Topeka or somewhere in Kansas owns it. I 
check in on it occasionally.

Since Dad was a full IFR rated instructor I usually got to fly left seat. I 
logged close to 400 hours in that airframe.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N899T
> 
>> On 12/17/2019 7:46 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> My Dad was a “shared owner” with two doctors. Total assh*ts, both of them.
>> 
>> The FBO handled scheduling as it did for other owner groups. I can recall on 
>> more than one occasion where we packed up for a weekend away at our place on 
>> Sanibel, only to show up and no plane. Dad would have scheduled it weeks in 
>> advance.
>> 
>> After a several instances of this and indifference from the other owners, he 
>> bailed.
>> 
>> A month later he bought his Bonanza V35, N899T. Swore he would never share 
>> again.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From what I've heard from friends who've tried co-owning an airplane, grant
>>> is right. Too many issues to disagree on, maintenance and upgrades being
>>> high on the list.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:51 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Shared ownership of an airplane works about as good as shared ownership of
>>>> a wife.
>>>> Except, the airplane costs more..
>>>> Over the past 40 years, I've seen many such disasters in the flying
>>>> community. It would not be my choice.. YMMV.
>>>> 
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>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/589490554957833/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
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Re: [MBZ] TV's

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As long as you stick to a name brand you should be fine. You really don’t have 
to worry about the “smart” aspect of these as long as you don’t connect them to 
a network. I connect mine once every few months, jump into the menu to run 
updates, and pull the (network) plug as soon as it’s done.

I think the big thing these days is LED vs. OLED(?) I know one of them is 
significantly more expensive but the picture quality is noticeably better.

-D

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> wrote:
> 
> 
> How big do you need?
> 
> I think I recently bought a Visio El cheapo, dumb not smart, suits us just 
> fine, purchased a couple years ago. Small at 32 inches, which is plenty big 
> enough for a small room.
> 
> We also have a ten years old Sony Bravia, 46 inch, not smart, that I hope 
> will last forever.
> 
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> Charleston SC
> 
> Dec 17, 2019 7:25:44 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes :
> 
>> After the first of the year I intend to buy a new TV. I would rather not 
>> have a "smart" tv. I know Dan bought one a while ago. What was the consensus?
>> Samsung? LG? Elcheapo?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is this a good deal?

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My Dad was a “shared owner” with two doctors. Total assh*ts, both of them.

The FBO handled scheduling as it did for other owner groups. I can recall on 
more than one occasion where we packed up for a weekend away at our place on 
Sanibel, only to show up and no plane. Dad would have scheduled it weeks in 
advance.

After a several instances of this and indifference from the other owners, he 
bailed.

A month later he bought his Bonanza V35, N899T. Swore he would never share 
again.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> From what I've heard from friends who've tried co-owning an airplane, grant
> is right. Too many issues to disagree on, maintenance and upgrades being
> high on the list.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 5:51 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Shared ownership of an airplane works about as good as shared ownership of
>> a wife.
>> Except, the airplane costs more..
>> Over the past 40 years, I've seen many such disasters in the flying
>> community. It would not be my choice.. YMMV.
>> 
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>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/589490554957833/
>>> 
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> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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[MBZ] OT - Who Has Direct HVAC Experience?

[dan--- via Mercedes]

New house.

“Goodman” single stage heat pump system with 10kW backup heat strips, very 
generic Emerson brand thermostat. All perfectly functional until today...

I swapped my 1st generation Nest thermostat over from my old house. Same type 
of system, only it’s a Trane.

Got everything wired as described, diagnostics on the Nest say all is good, I 
get no cold air. Compressor sounds like it’s running. Return line is not warm.

I spent 90 minutes on an online chat with a Nest person who was clearly *not* a 
first language English speaker. I’ll never get that time back...

I’m looking for ideas. Got my HVAC guy coming tomorrow at noon, but I sure 
would like to be able to sort this myself.

Thanks,

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT house electrical issue

[dan--- via Mercedes]

It would and we know it. However, the market is such that the margin of cash 
flow to costs would be minimal at best, plus I don’t want to be a landlord. And 
the minute I start paying someone to manage it I would be upside down on cash 
flow.

We’ve got plenty of equity and the market is good. We’re going to take the 
money and plow it into the new house.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan states:
> 
>> This is why I have absolutely no interest in turning my former house into a 
>> rental, thank you.
> 
> 
> Actually your house would make a great rental, as it is an upscale home. 
> Would be good for Airbnb or vacation rental, or perhaps insurance rental when 
> someone's home is uninhabitable for a period (hurricane, flood, tornado, 
> fire). I would think temporarily displaced residents of a similar home would 
> make okay tenants. 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - AK data point

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Spot on as far as Panama and diversity. If you don’t understand or know the 
history it will mess with your mind. Why? Go into a very authentic Chinese 
restaurant in Panama City and the employees all speak very fluent Spanish. 
“What is wrong with this picture?” your brain will say.

With alcohol being banned by many of the indigenous towns there’s a thriving 
business in smuggling. I once saw a bottle of Jack Daniels black change hands 
for over $100, and this was 20 years ago.

They got to great lengths to stop the trafficking but the stuff still gets 
through. Much like the Indian reservations of the lower 48, drug and alcohol 
addiction are rampant. If we didn’t kill the indigenous people with weapons or 
smallpox, we let alcohol do it...

-D

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 10:31 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> They are running out of cash.  Second year in a row the government will need 
> to reduce spending by $1.5B.  Governor is raiding the constitutional savings 
> accounts of around $500mm, which will leave those pretty much depleted.  The 
> state is a huge Socialist program, with oil money paying for just about 
> everything.  Very much akin to Venezuela, but without socialist leadership.   
> Not much tax on residents that pays for schools, infrastructure, or much of 
> anything else.  All out of the state coffers.
> 
> There is a big tax on visitors.  Get on a cruise, and you are paying all 
> manner of fees to the state.  Big taxes on oil and minerals as well.  No tax 
> on the imported workers who earn very large pay cheque.
> 
> As for me.  I expect SWMBA is going to file for my socialist payment this 
> spring.  The last dividend was around $1500 last year.  Not really worth it, 
> unless you are not earning any cash and need the funds for beer.  Oh, there 
> is talk of putting a massive tax on booze.  Given the price for a can of PBR 
> up there, it is almost as lucrative as smuggling meth.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> When are you going to get your dividend check?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] C140 CL500

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True. It’s things like windshields that will really mess you up, as they’re 
getting harder and harder to find.

-D

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that's like the 560SEC and the 300CD I think, that stuff is specific to 
> the coupes
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/16/19 1:04 PM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> As a former W140 coupe owner, I can confirm that there *are* some coupe 
>> specific bits, and due to the limited numbers, are quite pricey if you can 
>> even find them.
>> 
>> When I parted my coupe out, I got more for a single window regulator than I 
>> got for the car as scrap
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There are of course some coupe-specific bits, mostly body/interior but the 
>>> rest is just standard 140 stuff, should not be too hard to maintain.  The 
>>> 500 engine is solid.  I think that is just "marketing" hype.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>>> On 12/16/19 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> The first line of his text get me - The last thing I want is an extremely 
>>>> rare car. Give me about the most common car out there so I can get parts 
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16/12/2019 11:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> This looks fairly nice but kinda spendy. I saw a CL600 just like this the 
>>>>> other evening at the grocery store down the road.  I think I like the 
>>>>> style of the 126 better though, but this is not bad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-mercedes-benz-cl500-amg/7039393897.html
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] C140 CL500

[dan--- via Mercedes]

As a former W140 coupe owner, I can confirm that there *are* some coupe 
specific bits, and due to the limited numbers, are quite pricey if you can even 
find them.

When I parted my coupe out, I got more for a single window regulator than I got 
for the car as scrap

-D

> On Dec 16, 2019, at 12:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are of course some coupe-specific bits, mostly body/interior but the 
> rest is just standard 140 stuff, should not be too hard to maintain.  The 500 
> engine is solid.  I think that is just "marketing" hype.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/16/19 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> The first line of his text get me - The last thing I want is an extremely 
>> rare car. Give me about the most common car out there so I can get parts etc.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16/12/2019 11:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> This looks fairly nice but kinda spendy. I saw a CL600 just like this the 
>>> other evening at the grocery store down the road.  I think I like the style 
>>> of the 126 better though, but this is not bad.
>>> 
>>> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-mercedes-benz-cl500-amg/7039393897.html
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT is Tampa safe?

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That and the perps were working out of south Florida (Palm Beach County).

-D

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Comforting thought...
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 1:36 PM dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> Not Tampa. The story is focused primarily on two counties away.
>> 
>> And yes, it sucks what these guys did. They’re going to die in prison.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> > On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > I really feel for the owner of that jewelry store that was ransacked. He
>> > lost so many personal items. And wonder how much they were able to recover
>> > for him and his wife.
>> > 
>> > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 12:02 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2019/12/12/safecrackers-stole-millions-in-florida-heres-how-they-were-caught/
>> >> 
>> >> --
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Re: [MBZ] Paint 'o' Mania

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Reverse osmosis system.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> What's RO?
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 9:24 AM dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> Retirement house. I plan on being buried in the backyard.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> > On Dec 13, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Strong work!
>> > 
>> > You probably won’t want to move again. Ever. 
>> > 
>> > --FT
>> > Sent from iPhone
>> > 
>> >> On Dec 13, 2019, at 4:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Closed on the new digs last Friday, finally. Spent the last four days 
>> >> doing pretty much nothing but painting the interior of the place, as it 
>> >> needed it.
>> >> 
>> >> 2500 SF single story house, and I’m through about 50% of it so far. The 
>> >> 18” rollers really help, especially in the larger areas. I was able to 
>> >> paint two of the walls in the family room (12’ ceiling, roughly a 16’ x 
>> >> 18’ room) in under an hour. Probably took me as long to cut in the 
>> >> ceiling and base molding as it did to paint the walls themselves.
>> >> 
>> >> Lots and lots of stuff to do. New Bosch dishwasher waiting to be 
>> >> installed. Ceiling fans. RO system. A couple of new toilets - I do have a 
>> >> plumber in the family to do the toilets and RO system, thankfully.
>> >> 
>> >> Picking up a UHaul tomorrow night for three days to move stuff over from 
>> >> the old place.
>> >> 
>> >> Going to work in the morning. I need some rest.
>> >> 
>> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT is Tampa safe?

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Not Tampa. The story is focused primarily on two counties away.

And yes, it sucks what these guys did. They’re going to die in prison.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I really feel for the owner of that jewelry store that was ransacked. He
> lost so many personal items. And wonder how much they were able to recover
> for him and his wife.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 12:02 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2019/12/12/safecrackers-stole-millions-in-florida-heres-how-they-were-caught/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT more boars 🐗

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I started out with Ruger revolvers when I bought a Super Single Six .22 
revolver a few years ago on a whim. Fun to shoot, cheap to use, dead nuts 
accurate for a pistol.

After some outings to the range with it, I decided I wanted a larger caliber 
single action pistol, but I really didn’t want a .44 or larger hand cannon as 
most of the Ruger models are.

With this in mind, I kept an eye out for a .357 version, a less common model. I 
found a really nice one in a Gunbroker.com auction that had been languishing. I 
tossed what I thought was a silly bid on it and moved on. Amazingly, I got an 
email a few days later stating that I had won the auction.

Being a .357 magnum, it also shoots .38 special as well, which is what I 
typically shoot in it. I do so because it lets me shoot more rounds without 
fatigue that if I shot .357. I also like to mix rounds as well, just for fun. 
It’s a stainless steel model with a 6.5” barrel. I added a set of rosewood 
grips from Altamont and it looks absolutely stunning with them.

Loads of fun to shoot and highly accurate. A great single action pistol.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 8:51 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Lots of fun. I have had one for a long time now and love to shoot it. Though 
> I thought it was a Super Blackhawk in .44 magnum. Is that the same thing? 
> Kicks about like the Dragoon with 30 grains of triple X in it.
> 
> MG
> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've got a Blackhawk (I think it is anyway, single action) in .44. I've got 
>> a belt holster but it looks absurd with it's 10" barrel. Never shot it, I 
>> should get a box of ammo...
>> Curt
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidOn Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 5:27 PM, Dan 
>> Penoff via Mercedes wrote:   .44 Ruger Redhawk or 
>> larger in a chest holster. Alaskan back country backup as I was taught.
>> -D
>>> On Dec 12, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dangerous game is not a game.  There's a reason the African hunters of yore
>>> always had a backup gun along, in the hands of a backup gunner.  If it were 
>>> me,
>>> I would have that _and_ a very hefty short-ish revolver, and damn the laws. 
>>>  Make the
>>> primary weapon legal, and then do what you have to to ensure your life.  
>>> Maybe a nice
>>> Bowie on the other hip?  Or a bayonet on the rifle?  A pig spear is 
>>> probably a bit impractical.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Paint 'o' Mania

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Retirement house. I plan on being buried in the backyard.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Strong work!
> 
> You probably won’t want to move again. Ever. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 4:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Closed on the new digs last Friday, finally. Spent the last four days doing 
>> pretty much nothing but painting the interior of the place, as it needed it.
>> 
>> 2500 SF single story house, and I’m through about 50% of it so far. The 18” 
>> rollers really help, especially in the larger areas. I was able to paint two 
>> of the walls in the family room (12’ ceiling, roughly a 16’ x 18’ room) in 
>> under an hour. Probably took me as long to cut in the ceiling and base 
>> molding as it did to paint the walls themselves.
>> 
>> Lots and lots of stuff to do. New Bosch dishwasher waiting to be installed. 
>> Ceiling fans. RO system. A couple of new toilets - I do have a plumber in 
>> the family to do the toilets and RO system, thankfully.
>> 
>> Picking up a UHaul tomorrow night for three days to move stuff over from the 
>> old place.
>> 
>> Going to work in the morning. I need some rest.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Getting on a cruise

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Visiting any of the Lesser Antilles or other islands in the Caribbean is always 
a good time as long as you’re not one of the “ugly American” touristas. They’re 
each culturally diverse as well as different in climate and topography, so it’s 
like visiting a totally different country each time in most cases.

When I was a youngster my folks participated in “CAT” tours with their flying 
buddies. These were groups of aircraft owners who would fly together as a group 
to various locations. I’ve Island hopped from Hispañola all the way down to the 
ABCs (Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao) in a Beechcraft V35.

We typically spent a day or two on each island, sometimes more, before moving 
on to the next. Loads of fun and an awesome experience.

-D

> On Dec 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> We've gone on several Caribbean cruises, they're pretty fun, theres lots to 
> do on the floating hotel ships, shows, pools, climbing walls. Think of it as 
> a floating all inclusive (except alcohol) resort. I like getting to see 
> several places during the trip. We've had fun in Dominica, Honduras, Mexico, 
> Belize (cave tubing, super fun), St. Thomas, Puerto Rico, St. Kitts, 
> Martinique, and Barbados. I'm sure I've gotten a couple more too.
> 
> Angie says we're due for another one, I think our last was 2016.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Saturday, December 7, 2019, 4:54:53 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> In the interest of full disclosure I went on a cruise on my honeymoon, but it 
> was on a now defunct Greek line call “Costa” which was very nice. Understand 
> that this was in 1980 when the average cruise passenger was an old lady of 
> maybe 65-70 years of age and you packed evening wear. The ship was relatively 
> small, like under 500 passengers, but it was a nice way to travel. We learned 
> a valuable lesson on that cruise - don’t bother popping for a suite. We got 
> one of four suites on the ship, and I use the term “suite” lightly. However, 
> because we had a suite we were on one of the higher decks which was nice, and 
> we had our own cabin boy.
> 
> Due to the demographics of the times we were two of the few people on the 
> ship younger that 60, so we were a bit of a novelty. Got to have dinner at 
> the captain’s table one night because of it, though. Nice guy, crappy way to 
> make a living, I thought, but all the good (Italian) food you could eat, so 
> maybe that had some value.
> 
> Still wasn’t that impressed. I drank more than than I do now, but didn’t care 
> to gamble, so there wasn’t much to do onboard outside of honeymoon 
> activities….
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Dec 7, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > What line?
> > 
> > I've never been on a Caribbean cruise, only Alaska, Bermuda, and Across the 
> > pond twice. The Atlantic crossings on QE2 were the ideal cruising lifestyle 
> > IMO. And the inside passage was amazing for the views and comfort. The 
> > Atlantic can be rough even for an actual ocean liner like QE2 as opposed to 
> > a floating hotel.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb 
> > Striplin via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 9:05 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List; davesl...@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Kaleb Striplin
> > Subject: [MBZ] Getting on a cruise
> > 
> > We are in Galveston getting ready to get on a cruise and I discovered I 
> > forgot the passports. I was not too worried as you don’t have to have a 
> > passport for a cruise. What I did forget is OK does not have the new real 
> > ID thing yet so in addition to DL you have to have birth certificate. Crap. 
> > Luckily the kid is home and is emailing us copies. I still do not like the 
> > idea of being out of the country without it in case we have to make an 
> > emergency flight home. It also takes a lot longer to get back thru customs 
> > without a passport on the way back. 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Prank

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Tempus fugit, too!

-D

> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Semper vigilans
> 
>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>> December 8, 2019 at 6:00 PM
>> So, in a way, my "prank" to my son was a gentle reminder:
>> 
>> NEVER forget. 12/7 and 9/11
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley 
>> McLain via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2019 2:24 PM
>> To: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
>> Cc: Curley McLain
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** OT: Prank
>> 
>> Good one. Ask him if he has any contact with Bob Ritchie, USCG
>> (Ret.) If so, I'd like to get in contact with Bob. How's things on
>> Sand Island?
>> 
>> I thought about it, but didn't get it done yesterday; to post a
>> remembrance of Dec 7, 1941.
>> 
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[MBZ] Nice 300SD

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-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

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I haven’t, but I’m going to dust some clays on Saturday morning with a bunch of 
people from work. Lousy timing as we’re closing on the new house Friday, but I 
want to take advantage of rubbing elbows with the bosses at the range...I’ve 
been itching to get out there but haven’t been able to find the time.

-D

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500 
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately but 
> not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan to 
> pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles) and 
> figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my 
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with 
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben 
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good 
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the 
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before we 
> started...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight and Lowes

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I have purchased one HF ratchet, a stubby 3/8” drive that was one of their 
“high end” or more expensive models. It lasted maybe six months, used possibly 
10-12 times, none of which stressed it significantly, it was used to spin off 
fasteners in areas with limited space, like the top bolt on motor mounts, after 
they had been broken loose.

The reverse lever has failed in that it doesn’t select the direction, you have 
to fiddle with it and maybe it will do the job, and the ratcheting action is 
sloppy as heck. No doubt internal failures, but I’m not buying another.

-D



> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> HF wrenches are great, better fit and finish than Craftsman for half the 
> money.
> When I did the brakes on the Jetta a few weeks ago I bought my first HF 
> ratchet. Flex head, fine tooth. It works well and didn't break with a 3' 
> cheater on it. Time will tell how it lasts but for $9 I'm pleased.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 7:01 PM, Curley McLain via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Crapsman is and has been at ace 
> hardware also.They have not 
> warranted a tool for me for probably 40 years.  THey are even crappier 
> now.   On fleabay, clowns are piecing out old crapsman sockets and 
> wrenches for 3x list price.
> 
> Better off with tools from HF, or home despot, or even lows cobalt.
> 
> As for HF insider: NO
> 
> 
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 11/17/19 5:15 PM:
>> I was at Harbor Freight today and noticed their pitches for their
>> Inside Track Club.
>> 
>> Is this worth it?
>> 
>> I was also at Lowes and noticed Craftsman tools and toolboxes. Lowes has
>> bought the Craftsman name and will honor the warranty on existing tools.
>> They had all kinds of tools, which looked like the Craftsman tools I had
>> seen in the past.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Natural gas vs oil?

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Absolutely. However, we knew we probably wouldn’t be in the home long enough to 
recoup the costs, so it didn’t make a lot of sense at the time.

Also, I wonder if the soil composition where Dimitri is looking is an issue, 
since New England has some pretty rocky soil...

-D

> On Nov 15, 2019, at 2:11 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes - IIRC, we paid about $12,000 for our ground source heat pump. At that
> time, propane was very expensive (as was gasoline), so we broke even with
> our total energy costs being reduced by 50%. We broke even in 8 years. It's
> all gravy from here on ---
> 
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:07 PM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Looks like a ground source heat pump is the way to go. Unfortunately, they
>> don’t show the acquisition cost, which would balance it out a bit in
>> comparison.
>> 
>> My former HVAC guy in Indiana swore by them. The heating and cooling costs
>> for my behemoth (4,000+ sf) house there would have been about (aboot?)
>> $100/month year round. Unfortunately, the acquisition cost for the retrofit
>> would have been around $11k-$12k.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Natural gas vs oil?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Looks like a ground source heat pump is the way to go. Unfortunately, they 
don’t show the acquisition cost, which would balance it out a bit in comparison.

My former HVAC guy in Indiana swore by them. The heating and cooling costs for 
my behemoth (4,000+ sf) house there would have been about (aboot?) $100/month 
year round. Unfortunately, the acquisition cost for the retrofit would have 
been around $11k-$12k.

-D

> On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:33:28 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Our Manitoba Hydro provides electricity and natural gas. Here is their 
>> comparison chart for various systems.
>> 
>> https://www.hydro.mb.ca/your_home/heating_and_cooling/space_heating_costs.pdf




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Re: [MBZ] NAV system DVD

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The update isn’t a big deal. I’ve got it on a CD that you load up and let it do 
it’s voodoo. I can mail you a copy if you want, drop me a note off list if you 
do.

-D

> On Nov 15, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This guy
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-NTG1-2016-Navigation-DVD-Comand-Aps-North-America-v15-Map-GPS-Update/202557842601?hash=item2f296364a9%3Ag%3AdSEAAOSw7iZdnPPm&LH_BIN=1
> 
> looks to have bootlegs for $9 but it needs some kind of firmware update too.  
> Does not list the 05 ML as a compatible car but E, SLK, Maybach as OK.  Not 
> sure what would be particular about the 163.  I sent him a message, will see 
> what he says.  For $20 it might be fun to see if I can get it work (after I 
> get it running!).  It looks to have an Alpine head unit, maybe that makes 
> some difference.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 11/15/19 12:05 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> It should only come up if you choose the NAV function as far as I know.
>> 
>> As I mentioned previously, the lack of updates renders it pretty useless, 
>> more of a novelty than anything else. There a major freeway that didn’t 
>> exist some years back that I now use for my commute. When I drove it in the 
>> 2003 S430 I would be driving across open land and an interstate. It would 
>> get upset about this then just give up and be quiet, as I recall. I found it 
>> entertaining.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2019, at 12:00 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes & somehow i turned off that request on my 2005 w211 as i don't have the 
>>> disks.
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 11:44 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Probably not, and they’re not cheap to come by, even in the secondary 
>>>> market.
>>>> 
>>>> Not to mention I think this model’s NAV software hasn’t been updated in 
>>>> some years, so you could be driving where it doesn’t show any roads. My 
>>>> former S430 did that because the NAV data was so out of date.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The nav system on this ML (that won't start) is asking me to insert the 
>>>>> DVD which I suppose has all the nav system data on it. Anyone have one of 
>>>>> these?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] NAV system DVD

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It should only come up if you choose the NAV function as far as I know.

As I mentioned previously, the lack of updates renders it pretty useless, more 
of a novelty than anything else. There a major freeway that didn’t exist some 
years back that I now use for my commute. When I drove it in the 2003 S430 I 
would be driving across open land and an interstate. It would get upset about 
this then just give up and be quiet, as I recall. I found it entertaining.

-D

> On Nov 15, 2019, at 12:00 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Yes & somehow i turned off that request on my 2005 w211 as i don't have the 
> disks.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 11:44 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> Probably not, and they’re not cheap to come by, even in the secondary market.
>> 
>> Not to mention I think this model’s NAV software hasn’t been updated in some 
>> years, so you could be driving where it doesn’t show any roads. My former 
>> S430 did that because the NAV data was so out of date.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> > On Nov 15, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > The nav system on this ML (that won't start) is asking me to insert the 
>> > DVD which I suppose has all the nav system data on it. Anyone have one of 
>> > these?
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] NAV system DVD

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Probably not, and they’re not cheap to come by, even in the secondary market.

Not to mention I think this model’s NAV software hasn’t been updated in some 
years, so you could be driving where it doesn’t show any roads. My former S430 
did that because the NAV data was so out of date.

-D

> On Nov 15, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The nav system on this ML (that won't start) is asking me to insert the DVD 
> which I suppose has all the nav system data on it. Anyone have one of these?
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Partially restored 1962 220SE coupe on BAT

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Actually, restoring the dash wood isn’t bad, it’s just darned time consuming 
and very tedious to get it right. Replating chrome is very expensive these 
days. For example, the little garnish molding on the rear doors of the W110 
sedan that’s a continuation of the molding on top of the fins cost over 
$100/each.

Having watched the coupe market closely, I’m convinced there’s nothing below 
$20k that wouldn’t require major restoration or repairs. Better to pay the 
money up front and buy the very best one can afford.

-D

> On Nov 15, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Doing the rest of the work will require $$ thousands for cosmetic stuff
> that  detracts from the pleasures of driving one of these.  The dash wood
> R/R and chrome restoration are a nightmare, for starters.  Already at
> $15,150 and probably heading over $20k.  Dangerous game for amateurs.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I think the tensioner on the AZ bob car might have let loose again

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Helicoils have been an accepted fix for stripped spark plug threads for 
decades. Tried and true, they do the job well and are quite robust.

-D

> On Nov 14, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I tried to replace spark plugs on my W108 280SE the threads in the
> aluminum block got stripped so I needed a tech needed to insert a
> helicoil.  I held my breath but it worked fine.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:46 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I wonder if they make a helicoil in that size?
>> 
>> Time-serts are a better option.
>> This kit is for example only. I am not certain of the correct size needed.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Time-Sert-M8x1-25-thread-repair-1812/dp/B01MSPN7NH/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?keywords=8mm+timesert&qid=1573760495&sr=8-6
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT phone/internet and WSJ bills

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Also, most of the streaming services like YouTubeTV have a DVR function. In 
their case, you have unlimited storage, I believe. Other services I looked at 
had similar features, if I recall.

-D

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 9:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One of the main reasons I Not done this is due to DVR. So what is the tablo? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cut the cord on cable last month. Went from $220/month for 
>> phone/cable/Internet (undiscounted costs as we just went out of contract) 
>> down to a little over $100/month for nearly the same content, and no more 
>> land line.
>> 
>> $60/month Internet (100/100)
>> $50/month YouTube TV
>> $5/month Tablo DVR
>> 
>> This gives us a boatload of content through YouTube TV, over the air 
>> broadcasts with DVR functionality with the Tablo (also a feature of YTTV), 
>> and through various free applications like Pluto TV (400+ free channels).
>> 
>> There’s minimal competition in this market, so if you want to pull the plug 
>> on your provider they just shrug their shoulders and tell you “Bye!” No 
>> effort for retention.
>> 
>> Along with using Spectrum (Charter) for cable, we also moved from Verizon 
>> ($200/month for 4 lines) to Spectrum ($56/month for 4 lines) for our 
>> cellular service. Spectrum piggybacks on Verizon, so coverage is the same.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK so I was going to cancel my land line because all I get is spam calls, 
>>> and keep my internet. ATT tells me just internet would be more than it 
>>> costs as the portion of the bundle of voice+IP. BUT... they have a special 
>>> bundle (which is the exact same bundle) for 45% less than I am paying now, 
>>> and the total for Voice+IP will be less than I am paying now for the 
>>> internet portion of my service, and would be less than internet service 
>>> alone. Go figure. So I signed up for that. And they have some new spam 
>>> blocker you can activate so I did that. It's worth a 15min call (even with 
>>> all the impediments to getting a real person) to save $45/month.
>>> 
>>> So then I decide that I don't have time to read the Wall Street Journal 
>>> much any more, so I was going to cancel that and maybe just keep the 
>>> digital subscription to read it on the app and online. But they have a 
>>> 6month bundle of print+digital, available to existing subscribers, that is 
>>> less than half what I am paying now for both, and is less than just the 
>>> digital subscription. Go figure. Sign me up!
>>> 
>>> So 30min on the phone saves me close to $70/month going forward. Reasonable 
>>> return on my time I guess.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Car Hauler?

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My brother in law covers an area that encompasses Iowa, Illinois, parts of 
northern KY and southern IN. He has a Toyota Highlander that has over 300k on 
the clock and swears by it. Says it’s never failed him or left him stranded.

-D

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 4:03 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> “yota highlander to replace the 20 year old jeep.  
> 
> This months weather is messed up and the main roads would be I-80 or I-90 for 
> distance.  Probable best course is I-40 or I-10 to avoid the blizzards, and 
> drive up I-5 out of Kali.  Same bad issues the hauler faces for a road 
> tripping event.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:48 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What kind of vehicle?  Road trip!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT phone/internet and WSJ bills

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Given the choice I would have no TV, but that’s not my call. I was surprised I 
could convince the spouse to cut the cord - Spectrum’s sudden price hike when 
we went off contract did the push for me. She’s happy as heck with what she has 
to watch now and even finds it easier to use than the cable box, which is icing 
on the cake. As long as she can watch what I refer to as her “murder porn” 
(like Discovery Investigation stuff) all is good.

No cloud storage for me, thank you, I want to control and own my data. I use my 
own router with my own custom firewall rules and proxy to keep things out and 
in based on my rules. I have a FreeNAS server that has over 10TB of RAID based 
storage, so we’re good there.

-D

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I put in a ubiquiti network at home with a cloud key, security gateway, a
> poe switch for the cameras (DVR is in the cloud key), a couple of wifi
> access points. Seems to work great. Best part is the app where I can block
> and unblock every client on the network individually. I pi-holed all the ad
> sites at the firewall so they just get rejected. But the more ipad clients
> I block, the more books get read by everyone, and the happier we all are. I
> have been putting off getting a short throw DLP and may just put it off
> indefinitely. We have no TV currently.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 9:59 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Cut the cord on cable last month. Went from $220/month for
>> phone/cable/Internet (undiscounted costs as we just went out of contract)
>> down to a little over $100/month for nearly the same content, and no more
>> land line.
>> 
>> $60/month Internet (100/100)
>> $50/month YouTube TV
>> $5/month Tablo DVR
>> 
>> This gives us a boatload of content through YouTube TV, over the air
>> broadcasts with DVR functionality with the Tablo (also a feature of YTTV),
>> and through various free applications like Pluto TV (400+ free channels).
>> 
>> There’s minimal competition in this market, so if you want to pull the
>> plug on your provider they just shrug their shoulders and tell you “Bye!”
>> No effort for retention.
>> 
>> Along with using Spectrum (Charter) for cable, we also moved from Verizon
>> ($200/month for 4 lines) to Spectrum ($56/month for 4 lines) for our
>> cellular service. Spectrum piggybacks on Verizon, so coverage is the same.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK so I was going to cancel my land line because all I get is spam
>> calls, and keep my internet. ATT tells me just internet would be more than
>> it costs as the portion of the bundle of voice+IP. BUT... they have a
>> special bundle (which is the exact same bundle) for 45% less than I am
>> paying now, and the total for Voice+IP will be less than I am paying now
>> for the internet portion of my service, and would be less than internet
>> service alone. Go figure. So I signed up for that. And they have some new
>> spam blocker you can activate so I did that. It's worth a 15min call (ev


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Re: [MBZ] belt pulleys for E320?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I think Litens is OEM.

Why not go with MB for the pulley? That’s a part I would definitely not scrimp 
on. I only use Continental for belts.

-D

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I'm looking to get new idler and tensioner pulleys for the $600E320 as 
> something in there is making noise and I am going on a Thanksgiving trip in 
> the car.
> 
> I look here and they have a kit, but the pulleys look like some 
> cheepcheepchit, 
> https://www.eeuroparts.com/Cars/Mercedes-Benz/74072012/1999-E320-3-2L-6-Cyl-18-Valve/1004/Belts-Pulleys-Tensioners/
> 
> $5 for a pulley 
> https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/52770/Serpentine-Belt-Idler-Pulley-55700/ 
> but the MB is $41.
> 
> A Febi Serpentine Belt Tensioner Pulley is $11 but backordered so that is no 
> good.
> 
> 
> Amazon has these which seem like better brands but still cheaper than MB
> 
> ACDelco 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C9PE9G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
> 
> Dayco 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CG91J8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
> 
> Advance Auto have
> 
> Febi 
> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/febi-febi-accessory-belt-idler-pulley-g6020397097feb/10790747-P
> 
> Litens 
> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/litens-idler-tensioner-pulley-original-equipment-quality-900149a/10457821-P
> 
> for basically the same price and shipping time.
> 
> So Febi/Litens or ACDelco/Dayco???
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT phone/internet and WSJ bills

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Cut the cord on cable last month. Went from $220/month for phone/cable/Internet 
(undiscounted costs as we just went out of contract) down to a little over 
$100/month for nearly the same content, and no more land line.

$60/month Internet (100/100)
$50/month YouTube TV
$5/month Tablo DVR

This gives us a boatload of content through YouTube TV, over the air broadcasts 
with DVR functionality with the Tablo (also a feature of YTTV), and through 
various free applications like Pluto TV (400+ free channels).

There’s minimal competition in this market, so if you want to pull the plug on 
your provider they just shrug their shoulders and tell you “Bye!” No effort for 
retention.

Along with using Spectrum (Charter) for cable, we also moved from Verizon 
($200/month for 4 lines) to Spectrum ($56/month for 4 lines) for our cellular 
service. Spectrum piggybacks on Verizon, so coverage is the same.

-D

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK so I was going to cancel my land line because all I get is spam calls, and 
> keep my internet. ATT tells me just internet would be more than it costs as 
> the portion of the bundle of voice+IP. BUT... they have a special bundle 
> (which is the exact same bundle) for 45% less than I am paying now, and the 
> total for Voice+IP will be less than I am paying now for the internet portion 
> of my service, and would be less than internet service alone. Go figure. So I 
> signed up for that. And they have some new spam blocker you can activate so I 
> did that. It's worth a 15min call (even with all the impediments to getting a 
> real person) to save $45/month.
> 
> So then I decide that I don't have time to read the Wall Street Journal much 
> any more, so I was going to cancel that and maybe just keep the digital 
> subscription to read it on the app and online. But they have a 6month bundle 
> of print+digital, available to existing subscribers, that is less than half 
> what I am paying now for both, and is less than just the digital 
> subscription. Go figure. Sign me up!
> 
> So 30min on the phone saves me close to $70/month going forward. Reasonable 
> return on my time I guess.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Rod Stewart's trains

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

MMM just splooged all over his computer.

-D

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7678617/Rod-Stewarts-secret-hit-track-Veteran-rocker-finally-lets-world-legendary-model-railwa.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Wonder

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

And a great car when sorted. After working around the eldest son’s, I’m 
thinking this could be the next car I drive when/if I retire the S210 wagon.

There’s a really nice one on the local CL but the seller is asking stupid money 
($8k w/140k on the clock).

-D

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 12:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The last inline six diesel for the US market. Very robust, with a few quirks. 
> Time for me to do some research, I suppose.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: November 12, 2019 11:34 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: g2ma...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I Wonder
> 
> Isn't this the model of V6 that has a crank counter balance shaft that
> destroys its self around 200K?
> Or, am I having phantom memory?
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Re: [MBZ] ML500 still no cranky

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What model year is this again?

-D

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 1:17 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I decided over lunch to have a go at getting this thing started. Left the 
> battery on the charger, it was at 100%. At first I got a start error again, 
> no cranky. Hooked up the computer again and scanned it, only one fault code 
> about the steering angle sensor which I cleared ( needs to turn steering 
> wheel lock-lock). 
> 
> Locked/unlocked with the fob to make sure it was still talking to the nannies 
> then had a go, no start error but no cranky either. Swapped in a battery 
> which just started another car, just got a clunk from the starter. I put the 
> charger on this one to see if maybe it doesn’t have enough electrons. I’ll 
> try again later. 
> 
> I’m not seeing any fault codes so it’s either this battery too or something 
> wonky with the starter?  I suppose I could try yet another battery or go get 
> a new one to try but it’s kinda puzzling. I’ll let it charge a bit then try 
> again. 
> 
> I guess I should slide under too and just make sure the starter is connected 
> tightly. 
> 
> It’s about 80F out. The mosquitoes are vicious. I guess they’re getting in 
> their last hurrah but it’s now starting to cool off, I guess the front is 
> coming. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] List Mom

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I agree that it’s not political for the most part, but bringing a former 
politician who has a very clearly and hotly contested agenda will cause the 
exchanges to devolve into unpleasant rhetoric between the various parties.

It’s not germane to the topics here, and you’re making assumptions for others 
that you have no right to do so. I’m being preemptive. Don’t like it? You’re 
welcome to take over the responsibilities of running the list.

List Mom

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Now come on Dan. That is hardly political comment. I suggest that most of the 
> folks on the list are not convinced that the "climate change" or "global 
> warming" issue is totally true.
> We have a potential issue but it remains unproven. My recollection is that 
> back in the 1970s the scientists were certain we were headed for another ice 
> age. Now they think that it is going the other way.  In Canada, the whole 
> issue appears to be nothing more than another tax grab by the government. Our 
> population is small and our country large. We have lots of trees etc. We 
> produce lots of electricity without burning coal etc. Nevertheless, despite 
> the fact that whatever we do is a proverbial "drop in the bucket" when China 
> and India and even the USA does not appear willing to do much about this 
> potential concern, our government is prepared to make us pay an ever 
> increasing carbon tax so that our Prime Minister can hold himself out to be a 
> saviour and get applauded by 3rd world countries at the UN.
> 
> We have come to the point where we are unable to express our views unless 
> they are approved as politically correct by the left wing media.
> 
> I don't know how much Canadian news you folks get but right now, there is an 
> uproar over comments made by Don Cherry. He complained on national television 
> that our new immigrant citizens do not appear to respect Remembrance Day. Now 
> he is accused of being "mean" and saying "hurtful" things. No one is 
> permitted to have an opinion that differs from the left leaning media and one 
> must not complain about the failure of immigrants to accept our long term way 
> of life in this country or they are branded as racist etc.
> 
> I am willing to bet that the majority of people in Canada feel the same way 
> that Don Cherry does but most are unwilling to admit it.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 12/11/2019 8:21 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Stop. Not appropriate.
>> 
>> List Mom
>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Must be in chicago.
>>> 
>>> For 20-30 years ol al has been telling us we are gonna die from heat in 20 
>>> years.   That has come and gone (Title of a good Mason Proffit album too)   
>>> I'm still waiting for the warm tropical temps ol al promised. 2/3 of the 
>>> country is freezing.   Record cold, etc.   Personally, I like tropical 
>>> temps.  Bring it on!  Jungles eat CO2 in the air, and replace it with O2.  
>>> We need more tropics!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don't say it!  No!  Ol al couldn't be wrong
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Re: [MBZ] '65 Rambler American 440 3 speed convertible

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Being raised in a GM family, I always looked down my nose at anything AMC until 
my best friend’s folks bought a Gremlin that had (I think) a 302 V8 in it.

Holy mother of pearl would that thing go!

Totally reshaped my opinion of AMC products at the time.

-D

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My buddy in high school drove a 64 with a 327, it was quite peppy.  It also 
> had the benefits of being a great date car...
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 11/12/19 9:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> OMG.  The rarity of this car is well deserved, e.g.e. who would want to
>> purchase it?  My college roommate had a Rambler sedan that was convenient
>> for dating, until I inadvertently drove it in winter without any coolant.
>> It rolled to a dead stop, causing significant damage
>> 
>> * 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-rambler-american-440/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-11-12
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Re: [MBZ] The joys of travel

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Lows below 60 this week. B!

-D

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We had record heat about a week or two ago, and expect record cold temps
> tomorrow here in  D.C.  Not a lot of moderation.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 9:54 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's 23F and sleeting in lovely Caribou, ME. We had 4 inches of snow
>> overnight with another 4 to 6 in the forecast. We got snowed out last year
>> and came a week earlier this year to prevent that.
>> Pulled the engine out of the plow tractor Sunday to take south for a
>> rebuild. It might be going back in...
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>  On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 6:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Yup - weather trumps most flight
>> schedules - ice and strong winds - a good
>> day to stay on the ground!
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 4:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Flying to Harrisburg today. Flight out of Tulsa was supposed to leave at
>>> 2:30, then had a nice relaxing 2.5 hour layover in DFW to grab dinner etc
>>> before next flight arriving at 10:25pm. Plane just now pulled away from
>>> gate at we were told there is now a 45 minute departure control delay
>> into
>>> dfw. As it stand now I have 11 minutes to make the connection. In other
>>> words I’m not going to make it.
>>> 
>>> Oh wait, I just heard them shut down one of the engines. Also the wind is
>>> so strong it feels like we are flying but are sitting on the ground.
>>> 
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>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
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>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
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>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Where's albore?

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Stop. Not appropriate.

List Mom

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Must be in chicago.
> 
> For 20-30 years ol al has been telling us we are gonna die from heat in 20 
> years.   That has come and gone (Title of a good Mason Proffit album too)   
> I'm still waiting for the warm tropical temps ol al promised. 2/3 of the 
> country is freezing.   Record cold, etc.   Personally, I like tropical temps. 
>  Bring it on!  Jungles eat CO2 in the air, and replace it with O2.  We need 
> more tropics!
> 
> 
> Don't say it!  No!  Ol al couldn't be wrong
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Re: [MBZ] For when Poos moves into his new house

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The firewall on my router won’t let it send anything out without my approval. I 
check the manufacturer’s web site to see if there are firmware updates, and 
when there are I let it download them or I pull them down and side load them 
with a USB stick.

If I don’t want something to phone home, it’s blocked at the edge of my 
environment.

-D

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Unless the TV has a cell phone included, and once a month or so it phones 
> home to transmit your data and the conversations it has recorded. Your data 
> has value, might be worth $10 or less per month to retrieve it.
> 
> 
> Tue Nov 05 11:23:29 EST 2019 Curley McLain via Mercedes :
> 
>> I have a "smart tv" I want a dumb tv that does not send data all over 
>> creation. We have a working agreement: I never plug in the enet. It 
>> never sends info anywhere. Works just fine!
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] For when Poos moves into his new house

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Whatever it is mine was around $700-$800, so I guess it was a QLED and not the 
better OLED.

A lot of the newer TVs have apps built in to use services like Netflix, but 
again, the apps that were on my LG sucked and were very kludgy to use. I’m 
pretty sure you’re locked into their environment, so you can’t download other 
apps unless they’re done by the manufacturer.

-D

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My DLP is not smart so I have a fire stick hooked up to it. Do these new 
> smart TVs do Netflix and Prime? Can you download other apps to them as well 
> like you can with a firestick? 
> 
> The OLED are the latest and greatest and most expense I believe. QLED is in 
> the middle with regular LED as the oldest tech if I understand it all 
> correctly. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I bought a 65” OLED LG a few months ago to replace a 60” LG plasma TV that 
>> was seven years old and starting to show artifacts. I’m happy with it for 
>> the most part. It’s a “smart” TV but I don’t connect it to my network but 
>> maybe every 60 days or so to get any updates that might be available.
>> 
>> Last time I connected it I tried messing with the built in applications for 
>> things like Netflix and was sorely disappointed, so I don’t feel like I’m 
>> missing anything. And I’m not giving LG my personal information, either.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am thinking about replacing my current 10 year old 73” DLP with a new TV. 
>>> It seems like it sort of flickers from brighter to darker at times. Not all 
>>> the time but most of the time. Sometimes it is barely noticeable. The 
>>> picture was getting darker and I noticed this before. Bulb was original so 
>>> I replaced it last week. It seemed to brighten the picture overall but it 
>>> still does the bright/darker flicker. Seems like it might be more notifsble 
>>> now with the new bulb.  I am looking at 75” ones in the $699-$999 or so 
>>> range. I’m sure those are the lower end models but it would be a huge 
>>> improvement over what I currently have I am sure. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:18 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If I was to buy a new TV for the house, new or current, it would be one 
>>>> of those QLED TVs. I’ve looked at them at Costco and the images are 
>>>> amazing.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I saw an ad Sunday for an 83” for like $2200 and a 70” for $499. Crazy. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> Sent from iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] For when Poos moves into his new house

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I bought a 65” OLED LG a few months ago to replace a 60” LG plasma TV that was 
seven years old and starting to show artifacts. I’m happy with it for the most 
part. It’s a “smart” TV but I don’t connect it to my network but maybe every 60 
days or so to get any updates that might be available.

Last time I connected it I tried messing with the built in applications for 
things like Netflix and was sorely disappointed, so I don’t feel like I’m 
missing anything. And I’m not giving LG my personal information, either.

-D

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am thinking about replacing my current 10 year old 73” DLP with a new TV. 
> It seems like it sort of flickers from brighter to darker at times. Not all 
> the time but most of the time. Sometimes it is barely noticeable. The picture 
> was getting darker and I noticed this before. Bulb was original so I replaced 
> it last week. It seemed to brighten the picture overall but it still does the 
> bright/darker flicker. Seems like it might be more notifsble now with the new 
> bulb.  I am looking at 75” ones in the $699-$999 or so range. I’m sure those 
> are the lower end models but it would be a huge improvement over what I 
> currently have I am sure. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:18 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If I was to buy a new TV for the house, new or current, it would be one of 
>> those QLED TVs. I’ve looked at them at Costco and the images are amazing.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I saw an ad Sunday for an 83” for like $2200 and a 70” for $499. Crazy. 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
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>>>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:54 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Meh.  Wait a couple of years, and it'll be down to $299.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:19 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-98-class-led-q900-series-4320p-smart-8k-uhd-tv-with-hdr/6352561.p?skuId=6352561
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] For when Poos moves into his new house

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If I was to buy a new TV for the house, new or current, it would be one of 
those QLED TVs. I’ve looked at them at Costco and the images are amazing.

-D

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I saw an ad Sunday for an 83” for like $2200 and a 70” for $499. Crazy. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:54 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Meh.  Wait a couple of years, and it'll be down to $299.
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:19 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-98-class-led-q900-series-4320p-smart-8k-uhd-tv-with-hdr/6352561.p?skuId=6352561
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

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That makes sense. I can see where it would be a little easier using the 
compressor for both front and back. I did have to fight to get things aligned 
so they could go back together in both situations, but I wouldn’t hesitate to 
do it that way again - and I have a Klaan knock-off sitting on the shelf

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, for one reason, when I did it I had no floor jack and (2.) we used taxi 
> springs.  (3.) I only  took loose the outside of the front LCA, and it would 
> not go together without the springs compressed.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 12:51 PM:
>> Why would you need a spring compressor for the front springs on a W110/111? 
>> I got mine in and out without one. It wasn’t bad at all, nor were the rears.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of special tools - A-B light timing tool?

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I have used one and it was slick as snot, if you’ll pardon the analogy.

There was a place in the UK that was selling them for a pretty reasonable 
amount, like $200-ish or so, I think.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
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> 
> I've decided that I really need the A-B light injection pump timing tool,
> for my OM603 and OM606 engines.
> 
> Who has one they would like to sell or rent?
> -
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta Brakes

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Fords and Mazdas require the cube as well. First time I did rear brakes on a 
Focus I nearly destroyed a C clamp. The cube is in my “oddball tools” box. 
Definitely did the trick once I figured it out.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Spent the weekend replacing the rear brakes on the 2015 Jetta. One of the 
> pads on the driver's side rear had apparently stuck and wore all the friction 
> material off until it started grinding.
> I ordered new pads and rotors but didn't realize that you need a special 
> tool, the caliper pistons have to rotate as they press in, you can't push 
> them in if they don't rotate. I guess this is part of how the parking brake 
> works. I ended up breaking a 6" c-clamp trying to use the cube thing they 
> sell you at Autozone. In the end I bought the proper tool at Harbor 
> Freight:https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008686141_c434948acf_b.jpg
> Which makes the job super easy: 
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008897132_d198b3a2f4_b.jpg
> The worst part of the job was actually breaking the caliper bolts loose. 
> They're 14mm triple square which I absolutely could not find locally. Turns 
> out you can pound a T60 torx in and it will work adequately well, however the 
> bolts are VERY tight and have some kind of heat resistant thread locker their 
> whole length. I made the mistake of breaking one loose but not removing it 
> while I pulled the other, when I went back to the first bolt I had to break 
> it free again. My hands look like I've been playing in a meat grinder...
> I got it there in the end and now once again enjoy silent braking: 
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008151558_262f834163_b.jpg
> I have ordered the proper 14mm triple square driver for when I do the fronts.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension part numbers

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Sorry for any confusion

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that link to the link kit.  I was thinking I'd order the links and 
> most of the rest of the stuff from MB.  (Except the stuff like the front diff 
> mount that they have priced at an outrageous level.)
> Last night I checked out MB Phoenix website, crockauto and a place in yurp.   
> Will check FCP and some others.
> 
> BTW, the toe links are available several places now, including MB.   Its 
> probably a new number so the old number comes up NLA.   MB is not always 
> infallible when it comes to noting the new part # with one is superceded.  
> several of the link numbes shown on the MB phoenix website, when I checked on 
> the yurp site were superceded 3-8 times.  I probably should have noted the 
> new numbers.   However 2 of the links there came up as NLA, which I know is 
> wrong.   The new numbers were just not linked to the old.
> 
> Yeah, I thought Dan meant a kit for the links too.  Until he clarified...
> 
> 
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 7:44 AM:
>> Oh I see. I thought you meant MB offers a kit for all the arms. Thanks.
>> 
>> I just did this rear suspension job with all mb stuff. Spring compressor
>> never showed up but didnt need it in the end.
>> 
>> The rear subframe mounts are a 202 part now, which doesnt use the old
>> hardware. You need new little plates. The bolts are about the same length
>> but everyone says to buy new ones which are m14 etorx. So be sure to have
>> some etorx sockets on hand. That comes as a separate kit.
>> 
>> I think this lemfoerder arm kit is quite a bit cheaper than MB:
>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-control-arm-kit-rear-with-hardware-e320-cl430-oem-w124rskit?ads_cmpid=6946000685&ads_adid=80629812860&ads_matchtype=&ads_network=u&ads_creative=389889586254&utm_term=&ads_targetid=pla-312297131026&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&ttv=2&gclid=Cj0KCQiAtf_tBRDtARIsAIbAKe3dx4Xegq9jk3oY0F74_2YRgHdkJQJLBn7dq0mn9bBCUjjKTCBsL6AaAtfOEALw_wcB
>> 
>> The original lemfoerder kit is available here from the UK on Amazon for
>> much less though; it lists it as a w202 part but I think it is the same.
>> Lots of guys in the UK seem to have used it on 124 cars:
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Lemforder-3350001-Suspension-Link-Stabiliser/dp/B00CQ6QEV0
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension part numbers

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Max,

The front mount(s) on your W124 differential have been replaced. Did not do the 
rears as I was waiting to borrow the tool from someone.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have not inspected this one yet, but I have never seen the front fail.   
> Always been able to reuse them.   MB is quite proud of em.  $50 each!   
> crockauto only has uro for $5 each.  I think I will stick with the originals, 
> and replace the rear donut bushings.   THose are generally no longer 
> concentric after 25+ years.
> 
> 
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 11/4/19 7:27 AM:
>> Curley - note that the front differential mount requires two of that part
>> number (I think), it is not a kit that has all you need.  Found out the
>> hard way when I swapped in the differential from Wilton's sedan into my
>> wagon.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension part numbers

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The wheel carrier bushing, the “220” number, is the one that's the kit.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is there an actual part number for a kit from mercedes Dan? The adjustable
> toe links are nla I think, as well as the front diff mount. Those carrier
> bearings are spherical and over 100 apiece from MB; not sure what they run
> aftermarket but it might be a place to save a little cash.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 4:58 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> The kit is what Mercedes provides as well, it’s not just the bushing.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lemfoerder makes a kit with all of it except maybe lower control arms.
>> Not
>>> sure if the carrier bearings are included, but they also make those. Nice
>>> thing is the kit usually comes with new hardware. FCP euro also has a kit
>>> but I dont know what brand.
>>> 
>>> I think I have a set of diff mounts in a box that I will never use if you
>>> want them just let me know I will delmi them for less than what I paid.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 8:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Looks like the bushing that is in the wheel carrier is a 220 352 02 27
>>>> "supporting joint”.
>>>> 
>>>> The front differential mount is a 124 351 13 42 “rubber mounting”
>>>> 
>>>> The two rear or cylindrical differential mounts are a 124 352 77 65
>>>> “mount, axle subframe".
>>>> 
>>>> I show that Lemförder still makes all of these parts, but they also are
>>>> available from Mercedes for nearly the same price.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 3, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am putting together a list of part numbers for 124 rear suspension
>>>> parts so I can compare prices form various sources.  I can't find a
>> couple
>>>> things in the MB Stealer diagrams/lists.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone have part numbers for:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1.  Diff Mount bushings (2 at the rear of the diff)
>>>>> 2.  LCA outer bushings  (in the wheel carrier)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> When it is complete, I will send a copy to anyone interested and/or the
>>>> list.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear suspension part numbers

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The kit is what Mercedes provides as well, it’s not just the bushing.

-D

> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lemfoerder makes a kit with all of it except maybe lower control arms. Not
> sure if the carrier bearings are included, but they also make those. Nice
> thing is the kit usually comes with new hardware. FCP euro also has a kit
> but I dont know what brand.
> 
> I think I have a set of diff mounts in a box that I will never use if you
> want them just let me know I will delmi them for less than what I paid.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 8:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Looks like the bushing that is in the wheel carrier is a 220 352 02 27
>> "supporting joint”.
>> 
>> The front differential mount is a 124 351 13 42 “rubber mounting”
>> 
>> The two rear or cylindrical differential mounts are a 124 352 77 65
>> “mount, axle subframe".
>> 
>> I show that Lemförder still makes all of these parts, but they also are
>> available from Mercedes for nearly the same price.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am putting together a list of part numbers for 124 rear suspension
>> parts so I can compare prices form various sources.  I can't find a couple
>> things in the MB Stealer diagrams/lists.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have part numbers for:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Diff Mount bushings (2 at the rear of the diff)
>>> 2.  LCA outer bushings  (in the wheel carrier)
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> When it is complete, I will send a copy to anyone interested and/or the
>> list.
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Re: [MBZ] hmmmmm

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Probably worth that in parts.

-D

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> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/charleston-mercedes-190e-cosworth-23-16v/7011125737.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Slab Construction

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Figured it out after our afternoon walk:

Post tensioning cables.

-D

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They’re now two floors up and there’s no sidewalk on that side of the street, 
> so we can’t ask. Otherwise we would.
> 
> Not the top floor - second floor of 18, I believe.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 12:25 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> If it's the top floor of the parking deck then it might be for solar hot 
>> water heating.
>> 
>> MG
>> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Nope. If you closely, you can see the conduit (gray) run across the deck as 
>>> well.
>>> Note that it’s spaced pretty evenly in one direction, but the ones that 
>>> cross at 90 degrees are grouped closely together.
>>> It’s a mystery to us...
>>> -D
>>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Conduit for cables?
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/31/19 10:48 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Here’s a better picture now that it’s out of the shade.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nope. If you look closely, it’s not a loop or interconnected. The tubing 
>>>>>> is laid out in straight lines and in a grid arrangement, but it just 
>>>>>> ends up at the edge of the slab.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No need for floor heating in Florida. And the deck you see in the 
>>>>>> picture is for a parking garage.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Probably heating tubes
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 10/31/19 10:18 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>> We’re puzzled by the red tubing that's being laid in the concrete 
>>>>>>>> floors of a high rise building being built in the next block. It’s 
>>>>>>>> clearly flexible, doesn’t appear to be interconnected as if it would 
>>>>>>>> be passing liquids or gasses, so what is it?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Slab Construction

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They’re now two floors up and there’s no sidewalk on that side of the street, 
so we can’t ask. Otherwise we would.

Not the top floor - second floor of 18, I believe.

-D

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 12:25 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> If it's the top floor of the parking deck then it might be for solar hot 
> water heating.
> 
> MG
> 
> Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Nope. If you closely, you can see the conduit (gray) run across the deck as 
>> well.
>> Note that it’s spaced pretty evenly in one direction, but the ones that 
>> cross at 90 degrees are grouped closely together.
>> It’s a mystery to us...
>> -D
>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Conduit for cables?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>>> On 10/31/19 10:48 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Here’s a better picture now that it’s out of the shade.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nope. If you look closely, it’s not a loop or interconnected. The tubing 
>>>>> is laid out in straight lines and in a grid arrangement, but it just ends 
>>>>> up at the edge of the slab.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No need for floor heating in Florida. And the deck you see in the picture 
>>>>> is for a parking garage.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Probably heating tubes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/31/19 10:18 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> We’re puzzled by the red tubing that's being laid in the concrete 
>>>>>>> floors of a high rise building being built in the next block. It’s 
>>>>>>> clearly flexible, doesn’t appear to be interconnected as if it would be 
>>>>>>> passing liquids or gasses, so what is it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Slab Construction

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Nope. If you closely, you can see the conduit (gray) run across the deck as 
well.

Note that it’s spaced pretty evenly in one direction, but the ones that cross 
at 90 degrees are grouped closely together.

It’s a mystery to us...

-D

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Conduit for cables?
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/31/19 10:48 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> Here’s a better picture now that it’s out of the shade.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope. If you look closely, it’s not a loop or interconnected. The tubing is 
>>> laid out in straight lines and in a grid arrangement, but it just ends up 
>>> at the edge of the slab.
>>> 
>>> No need for floor heating in Florida. And the deck you see in the picture 
>>> is for a parking garage.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Probably heating tubes
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/31/19 10:18 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> We’re puzzled by the red tubing that's being laid in the concrete floors 
>>>>> of a high rise building being built in the next block. It’s clearly 
>>>>> flexible, doesn’t appear to be interconnected as if it would be passing 
>>>>> liquids or gasses, so what is it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Slab Construction

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Nope. If you look closely, it’s not a loop or interconnected. The tubing is 
laid out in straight lines and in a grid arrangement, but it just ends up at 
the edge of the slab.

No need for floor heating in Florida. And the deck you see in the picture is 
for a parking garage.

-D

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Probably heating tubes
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/31/19 10:18 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> We’re puzzled by the red tubing that's being laid in the concrete floors of 
>> a high rise building being built in the next block. It’s clearly flexible, 
>> doesn’t appear to be interconnected as if it would be passing liquids or 
>> gasses, so what is it?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mrs Poos needs a SLK55

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Don’t know, don’t care. The guy who is doing it does epoxy floors for labs and 
chemical companies and comes highly recommended. I’m sure it won’t be cheap, 
but I want it done and done right.

-D

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:58:30 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
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>> Professional install, concrete driveway.
> 
> Good idea for a professional install -- someone else breathes the fumes
> and is responsible for a successful result.
> 
> How much are they charging?
> 
> And you know the saying, "Concrete driveways are best!"
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Re: [MBZ] Mrs Poos needs a SLK55

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Professional install, concrete driveway.

-D

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:40:15 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
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> 
>> Three car garage, three car width driveway that’s about 40 feet long -
>> the full width/length.
>> 
>> First order of business - epoxy the garage floor. I’ve already got it
>> lined up.
> 
> Are you putting down the epoxy, or having someone else do it?
> 
> What kind of driveway does it have? Concrete? Asphalt? MacAdam?  ?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mrs Poos needs a SLK55

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Three car garage, three car width driveway that’s about 40 feet long - the full 
width/length.

First order of business - epoxy the garage floor. I’ve already got it lined up.

-D

> On Oct 28, 2019, at 2:10 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> Will you have more garage space and/or parking space?
> Gerry
> 
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:59:29 -0400
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> Mrs. Poos’ car funds are currently encumbered due to the impending second 
>> home purchase.
>> 
>> We’re working on a record for loan processing - we may close in less than 20 
>> days. Nice.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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>>> Needs Martha-ing
>>> 
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[MBZ] Okie S430

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Bottom feeder time...

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-2002-mercedes-s430/7006862271.html

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Re: [MBZ] wretched ricebox

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I am not a brand snob by any sense. I’ve owned several Asian cars (Nissan, 
Mazda) and been quite pleased with them and would not hesitate to buy another 
should the need for a basic, “gas and go” reliable low maintenance surface.

Our 2005 Mazda 6 went 160k in around 10 years time. Other than a couple of COPs 
and normal maintenance I never had to do a thing to that car. The wife drive 
it, so it got thrashed severely, too.

2001 Altima was bought new and lasted until 2010 with around 120k on the clock. 
Grandpa in a little truck T-boned it and it got totaled out. Other than 
maintenance I never had to repair a thing on it that I recall.

I would buy another current model of either without a second thought.

-D

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know many of you are not fond of Asian cars, but I have to defend them 
> somewhat. We have a 2007 Honda Accord that has served us very well so far. It 
> is my wife's car and she drives it hard. We acquired it a year old in 2008 
> with 23K miles on it and it now has about 80K miles on it - almost all of 
> which are short in town trips. We have done pretty much nothing but things 
> like tires, brakes, a battery, and a starter (and I am not truly convinced it 
> needed the starter). There is no rust. It basically looks like it did when we 
> acquired it. The body is tight - no rattles and the interior is standing up 
> very well. Some little plastic latch has given up in a swing up door in the 
> center console but I cannot think of anything else in the interior that is 
> not like it was when we got it. Things like the struts still appear to be 
> fine.
> 
> I think that is good service.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] wretched ricebox WUZ: Re: (no subject)

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My tire guys use a torque wrench *and* a second tech to verify the torque, both 
of which sign off on the work order.

-D

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THeisen's farm store uses the torque wrench, and I have seen them look up the 
> spec.   Once in Wallyland, I think maybe the one up in Mitch's part of the 
> world, i saw them use a torque wrench.
> 
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 10/24/19 10:25 PM:
>> I recommended my favorite tire shop (and he plans to replace all the studs 
>> on the front, both sides).  I've been using my tire place for about 20 years 
>> now, putting tires on four cars on a regular basis, so does my brother -- 
>> they know us by name now.
>> 
>> Firestone dealer, although they will get anything you want.  Sold me on 
>> their service two ways -- once I wanted a particular tire and their response 
>> was "we don't like those much, too many complaints".  Nuff said, if they 
>> keep coming back to the dealer I don't want them either.  Second reason is 
>> that I've never had any difficulty at all removing lug bolts with the short 
>> wrench supplied with the car.  They use a torque wrench to put them on, 
>> properly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

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And here is an example of inappropriate control in an HOA.

Our design criteria is clearly defined as far as materials and construction, 
much of which is dictated by County ordinance, not HOA bylaws. The president 
doesn’t have a say in things like this, they’re addressed by the ACC 
(architectural control committee) who approves or denies applications for such 
things solely on compliance with community standards and nothing else. Our 
president may not like something, but that’s their tough beans as they have no 
say in matters as an individual Board member.

That being said, since your patio/deck cover is in the rear of the home and not 
visible from the street, we wouldn’t much care what/how you did it as long as 
it was in compliance with County codes, which is between you and the County.

This is an example where a properly run HOA doesn’t get intrusive.

-D

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I also live in an HOA. In the beginning, I wasn’t too happy that the then HOA 
> president was against the design of our patio/deck cover and structure. It 
> goes the entire length of the back of the house and out 15 feet, and is 
> covered with corrugated smoked panels so that light can get through. She 
> thought that it should be covered with wood and roofed in material matching 
> to that on the house and kind of threatened with the possibility that another 
> home owner could file a complaint with the HOA and force us to rebuild it. 
> That was 5 years ago, and things have been quite uneventful since. She always 
> leaves her motor home and/or her boat out on the street well over the 72 hour 
> limit, and no one seems too annoyed. The dogs are enjoying their covered area 
> since they have plenty of area to play out of the winter rains and summer 
> sun. It isn’t much of an HOA with 15 homes and $120 dues per year.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1982 240D High Mileage Hilde, waiting for her shroud to come in
> 
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>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm thinking most of the anti-HOA comments come from folks who've only heard 
>> or read the horror stories, but never actually owned a home in an HOA.
>> 
>> I'm retired Navy, grew up in the country hunting and fishing, and I'd much 
>> rather have a vast estate like Floyd and all the freedom that comes with it. 
>> However, I married a city girl, and need to live within a reasonable commute 
>> of work and schools, and given the choice I'd probably make the same 
>> decision and buy in an HOA.
>> 
>> Are Dan and I the only list members with HOA experience? 
>> 
>> Kind of reminds me of the impression of America one gets watching the 
>> evening news, nothing but shootings and kidnappings and death and mayhem and 
>> corruption. Why would anyone live in such a violent country?
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

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No. She’s only worried about her immediate neighbors and has probably never 
been near my house. My oil stain violation came from a monthly inspection 
performed by our management company.

-D

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
> Does ex-board biddy have anything to do with your diesel oil complaints?
> 
>> On October 21, 2019 at 8:13 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Until then, I’ll gladly serve on the board and do what I can to maintain our 
>> community as best I can. Yeah, the old lady near the north entrance will pin 
>> me down at the grocery store and bitch about the guy across the street that 
>> doesn’t cut his lawn as often as she likes, and I’ll nod and feign interest 
>> and assure her I’ll have the management company look into it. Whether or not 
>> anything happens probably doesn’t matter to the old gal, she just wants to 
>> be able to rant at someone, and if that’s me I’m OK with it. She’ll wander 
>> off into the produce department and I’ll head down the dairy aisle, and all 
>> will be good. Until I see her next time.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

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While I think that some of you are grossly exaggerating the effect of an HOA, I 
fully understand the desire to have no restrictions on the use of your 
property. In my case I prefer to know that my property value will be protected 
if not enhanced by the presence of an HOA, and in order to achieve this I’ll 
gladly comply with community standards in place for my community.

And it’s also clear that there is a misunderstanding of how HOAs work. As an 
FYI, rules or standards can’t be established arbitrarily, they have to be voted 
on and approved by 2/3 of the ownership in my community. With over 250 
properties, it’s a struggle to get 50% to respond to a proxy mailing much less 
get a majority. They also can’t conflict with laws covering ownership or Fair 
Housing laws, too. In other words, Jim’s paranoia about defining who can live 
in the house is simply misguided and wrong.

In my community the “rules” as it were pertain mainly to things like house 
paint and roofing colors, landscaping and some basic land use. The County has 
ordinances covering things like occupancy and use, that's well beyond an HOA’s 
responsibilities.

Again, to each his or her own. I have chosen to live in a suburban community 
that has standards in place to maintain and enhance property value, as that’s 
important to me.

-D

On Oct 21, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> a real j**k could move in next door...
> 
> I have a friend who _owned_ the property in question, and a real
> jerk moved in.  Couldn't get rid of them, of course.  Renters' rights...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Am Living Right

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I’m not going to get into the discussion over HOAs versus no restrictions, but 
this is a point well taken and one side of the HOA/deed restrictions discussion 
that rarely comes to light.

An HOA doesn’t “tell you how to live (right)”.  Bylaws and covenants outline 
community standards that have to be met or exceeded. Most are pretty simple, 
but I do believe that for many who opt into a deed restricted community do so 
for the reason above - they’ve  made a substantial investment in their home and 
want to do whatever possible to protect the value of their investment. I can 
assure you that property values for comparable homes that I see are noticeably 
higher for the property that’s in a deed restricted community. There’s a reason 
for this.

Whether you live in a deed restricted community or not, you are probably not 
aware that your municipality has ordinances in place that serve much the same 
purpose, for example, the inability to render animals or make soap. I’ve seen 
these very restrictions in place on several properties we’ve owned over the 
years that were not in deed restricted communities. Sure, you’re not going to 
pull the “Granny from Beverly Hillbillies” stuff around your cement pond, but 
who’s to say your neighbor won’t decide to do so?

My point is that HOAs or deed restrictions are not nearly as onerous as most 
people make them out to be, that’s all.

-D

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not to be a contrarian, but if you have hocked your financial future to
> settle down as a homeowner in suburbia, isn't it in you interest to have
> some assurance that a sloppy neighbor won't drag down home values?
> 
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:06 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The self-righteous, who want to be able to tell others how to "live
>> right," want HOAs.
>> 
>> Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/21/19 9:19 AM:
 I can’t imagine anyone wanting to live somewhere with a HOA.
>>> Sure you can: all the asshats are prime examples.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: USA's largest and very old storage battery

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None of this technology is outdated and much of it is still in use.

Nickel-cadmium battery banks are still in use in the communications and standby 
power industries. 

Motor generators, also known as “MG sets” are still in service for mainframe 
computers. In fact, IBM was one of the largest users of MG sets for decades. 
They consisted of a large electric motor, a flywheel, and a generator all 
coupled together. The motor and generator faced each other with the flywheel on 
the connecting shaft in between. The main reason these have been in use for 
such a long time is that they also provided power conversion, that is, the 
generator was a 400 Hz generator, so the unit as a whole not only provided 
standby power (known as “ride through”) for the few seconds it took to bring a 
generator or UPS online, but it also provided frequency conversion for the 
computer power supplies.

-D 

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Back ages ago I did an analysis of a Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage 
> System (SMESS).  It was an interesting concept that relied on a supercooled 
> magnetic torus into which electrons were injected and they kept spinning 
> around until some were extracted and used again.  It probably would have 
> worked sorta OK until the supercooling went away and then all those electrons 
> wanted to go somewhere else... rapidly.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/21/19 10:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> That's a neat story.
>> 
>> Reminds me of an older technology, which I have only heard about but I've
>> never seen, which is using a large flywheel as a storage device.  Hook that
>> up to a motor-generator, so when the utility power is available, the
>> flywheel gets brought up to speed, and then when the utility power drops,
>> use the inertia to drive the generator until another source is brought
>> online.
>> 
>> Maybe fill up an old missile silo with massive flywheels, use that as a
>> "battery" to store wind or solar that is not needed.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:23 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Quite surprising.
>>> 
>>>   TECHNOLOGYBig batteries are all the rage, but this one's 16 years
>>> oldPublished:
>>> Monday, October 21, 2019
>>> 
>>> New York City dove headlong into the race to build bigger and bigger
>>> batteries this week, as regulators approved plans for a massive system
>>> <
>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/long-island-city-will-soon-be-home-to-new-york-s-biggest-battery
>>>  on the East River in Queens.
>>> 
>>> But for those keeping score, the biggest of all has been quietly at work
>>> for almost 16 years in a far more remote corner of America: a warehouse in
>>> central Alaska.
>>> 
>>> The 46-megawatt battery, in Fairbanks, uses a chemistry that's largely gone
>>> the way of fax machines. It's old enough that its operators can't find
>>> replacement parts for some components. But it still works, keeping the
>>> lights in the city of 32,000 near the Arctic Circle, preventing 59
>>> blackouts last year alone.
>>> 
>>> "Our system operators are very adamant that they don't want it to go away,"
>>> said Dan Bishop, manager of engineering services for the Golden Valley


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Re: [MBZ] Off topic oil question

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Brad Penn green stuff. Nothing else.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think Rotella or any mainstream oil has high enough zinc any
> more for old engines. They have all been reformulated for modern
> engines.
> 
> Maybe look Penn or racing oils.
> 
> https://penngrade1.com/products/high-performance-oils/
> 
> Or a ZDDP additive.
> 
> 
> Don Snook via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> For old school NON-MB (cast iron block) and 1984 technology would shell 
>> Rotella (or something similar) be best because of the higher zinc content?  
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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Dad had a few stories about stuff that happened in GM plants, but it wasn’t 
first hand so it’s tough to know if it was true or just anecdotal.

I once worked with an older guy in the 80s who worked on the line at Studebaker 
before they shut down. He told stories of how after it was announced that they 
were closing there were guys on the line who were taking dumps in the doors 
before they finished them.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Was it rusting out by the time you got home? Was there a tuna sandwich in the 
> door?
> I'd like to know how many of the stories of labor influenced disasters of 
> that period are true.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
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> 
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:25 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> As I recall, it was.
> 
> While the Córdoba was probably the pinnacle of crappy Detroit iron of time, 
> it was a really nice car as I recall.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > BUT, BUT, Was it RICH Corinthian Leather?
> > 
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/16/19 4:15 AM:
> >> My Dad, a GM VP that got program cars every six months, immediately moved 
> >> to Chryslers in 1970 when he left General Motors. Why I have no idea, but…
> >> 
> >> His first car after he left GM was a 1969 Dodge Monaco. Damned thing had 
> >> more chrome on it than I had ever seen before in my life. Funky radio with 
> >> rollers instead of knobs. Just a lot of weird design stuff that I recall. 
> >> Anyway, he took care of that car like it was his fourth child (I had two 
> >> siblings.) I believe he drove it until the mid to late 70s, and when he 
> >> sold it he was so proud that it had 270k on the clock. I recall it looking 
> >> beautiful the day he sold it. It was Zeibarted so it never rusted anywhere 
> >> that I recall.
> >> 
> >> The car he bought to replace it?
> >> 
> >> 1977 Chrysler Cordoba with Corinthian leather. Silver with a red landau 
> >> top.
> >> 
> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

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As I recall, it was.

While the Córdoba was probably the pinnacle of crappy Detroit iron of time, it 
was a really nice car as I recall.

-D

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> BUT, BUT, Was it RICH Corinthian Leather?
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 10/16/19 4:15 AM:
>> My Dad, a GM VP that got program cars every six months, immediately moved to 
>> Chryslers in 1970 when he left General Motors. Why I have no idea, but…
>> 
>> His first car after he left GM was a 1969 Dodge Monaco. Damned thing had 
>> more chrome on it than I had ever seen before in my life. Funky radio with 
>> rollers instead of knobs. Just a lot of weird design stuff that I recall. 
>> Anyway, he took care of that car like it was his fourth child (I had two 
>> siblings.) I believe he drove it until the mid to late 70s, and when he sold 
>> it he was so proud that it had 270k on the clock. I recall it looking 
>> beautiful the day he sold it. It was Zeibarted so it never rusted anywhere 
>> that I recall.
>> 
>> The car he bought to replace it?
>> 
>> 1977 Chrysler Cordoba with Corinthian leather. Silver with a red landau top.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cord Cutting

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

We’re working off our alternate sources right now to get a feel for how things 
will be, and we haven’t had any quality issues so far. That’s with both 
streaming services as well as the OTA stuff. It also includes setups that are 
wired as well as streaming over WiFi.

-D

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:26 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Did you buy this yet or are you just in the considering stage?
> I was wondering as to how much degradation of the picture the transcoding  
> causes in quick action scenes and sports.
> 
> MG
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Our cable company (Comcast/Spectrum) is about to bend us over the back of a 
>> chair since our ”promotional” pricing is over so it’s time to cut the cord. 
>> Did a lot of research and found that between a Tablo OTA DVR and YouTube TV 
>> we can get nearly everything she enjoys watching for about $50/month 
>> compared to over $125/month when prices go up. Internet access costs me 
>> about $50/month.
>> I’m looking forward to stopping in at the local cable company store this 
>> week and handing them their boxes back.
>> -D
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[MBZ] Fun With the W211

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Pulled the W211 CDI into the garage yesterday to inspect the two bubbly 
injectors and possibly replace glow plugs.

Couldn’t get the injector out, so I installed a new hold down stretch bolt and 
moved on. Injector slide hammer tool is on the way from the Island of Large 
Wimmen for later in the week.

Glow plugs were questionable as was the glow plug controller. Rather than take 
any chances, I got a complete set of new Beru glow plugs and have had the son 
fill their recesses with Kroil every day when he gets home from school.

This approach yielded excellent results, as the old glow plugs came out with 
little to no effort. Nice! New ones went in with antiseize on the threads and 
were torqued to spec.

Glow plug controller is toast. Mercedes has sold a reman for about $240 my 
cost, but there weren’t any in Paragon but some at other dealers. Rather than 
have my parts guy call around and haggle with other dealers, I found the new 
OEM (Beru) part online for around $214.00, so I went with that. Should be here 
in a day or two.

Son says glow plug is leaking worse now, but not bad, maybe a few drops of 
stuff coming out. I didn’t wail on the hold down bolt as I didn’t have a torque 
wrench that would measure that low (7 nm) so I sort of swagged it. Got an 
adapter for my little beam wrench coming, too.

I’m going to have him park the car when he comes home tonight and drive my car 
until we have everything on hand to effect the repairs.

This car has been a bit of PITA since bringing it home, but the stuff it needs 
isn’t a big deal. Son says his first tank of fuel was averaged over 40 mpg for 
mixed city/highway. Not bad.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota Hilux?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I like that.

-D

> On Oct 14, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is so true. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 10:15 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I read this recently:  If you raise your kids you can spoil your grandkids.  
>> But if you spoil your kids you will raise your grandchildren.
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  OK Don via Mercedes
>>> 
>>> We were laughing our asses off when our most rebellious daughter called and
>>> said "I'm becoming my mother!"
>>> She knew better than us about everything, including raising kids (we raised
>>> four, all independent now), then gradually can to realize that we were 
>>> indeed
>>> right - about everything!
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I would add that Mike will work with you as far as time and price. Depending on 
the time of year and direction, the more flexible you are the better the price.

He got my 400E from Greenville, SC to me in under two days for $400. I couldn’t 
have gotten it myself for that kind of money.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 12:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THANK YOU!!!
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: October 10, 2019 11:44 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: 126die...@gmail.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping
> 
> I found an honest auto shipping broker.   I can recommend him if any of
> you need cars shipped. Tell him you are on the okiebenz list.  It
> won't make a lot of difference in the price, but may get you some
> credibility.   All the other quotes I got were 50% or more higher
> priced.Joe asked for $50 commission and between 50-60¢ a mile.   the
> other quotes were around $1/mile.   Last spring when I tried to get a
> car shipped 500 miles, the brokers quoted me $3 a mile.  What a ripoff!
> So I appreciate an honest auto shipping broker.
> 
> Of course, the concession on my end is a 9-10 week shipping window. But
> I'd guess something may happen within 4-5 weeks or so.
> 
> Joe Todorovski
> Road Warrior Auto Transport
> Northbrook, IL
> 
> 773 849 9478
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I have a broker in South Florida I’ve used for years. Wouldn’t consider anyone 
else. He’s very good and has gotten me some huge deals, like getting the Finnie 
shipped enclosed for the price of an open carrier. ($1100 vs. +$2000)

As he says, “I wouldn’t use anyone I wouldn’t trust with my Mom’s stuff.”

Michael Coote 
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+1 (786) 348-2168

Tell him I sent you if you use him. Nothing in it for me but a satisfied long 
time customer.

-D

> On Oct 10, 2019, at 12:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THANK YOU!!!
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: October 10, 2019 11:44 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: 126die...@gmail.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Honest auto shipping
> 
> I found an honest auto shipping broker.   I can recommend him if any of
> you need cars shipped. Tell him you are on the okiebenz list.  It
> won't make a lot of difference in the price, but may get you some
> credibility.   All the other quotes I got were 50% or more higher
> priced.Joe asked for $50 commission and between 50-60¢ a mile.   the
> other quotes were around $1/mile.   Last spring when I tried to get a
> car shipped 500 miles, the brokers quoted me $3 a mile.  What a ripoff!
> So I appreciate an honest auto shipping broker.
> 
> Of course, the concession on my end is a 9-10 week shipping window. But
> I'd guess something may happen within 4-5 weeks or so.
> 
> Joe Todorovski
> Road Warrior Auto Transport
> Northbrook, IL
> 
> 773 849 9478
> 
> j...@roadwarriorauto.com 
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[MBZ] Bargain W111 Coupe

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Be sure to look at the last picture.

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-1963-mercedes-benz-220se-coupe/6994524726.html

-D
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

And don’t forget to leave one of your turn signals on all the time... you could 
also get a pair of the wrap-around cataract sunglasses to wear, too.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 12:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Buy it, then buy a blue hair wig, and only drive in the left lane... Ohh
> and some good ear plugs so you won't be bothered by all the angry honking..
> you'll be good...
> :)))
> 
> Plan to leave early for appointments...
> 
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 8:44 AM Don Snook via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and
>> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking
>> up the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67
>> horsepower).  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find
>> anyone that actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary
>> part.  0-75 mph takes 45 seconds!
>> 
>> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a
>> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will
>> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem
>> really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.
>> Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN
>> HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is
>> safe to be on the highway!
>> 
>> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a
>> highway considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are
>> these really this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at
>> highway speeds recently?
>> 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
>> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Painting my alloy wheels.

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Roger,

Astral Gray was a primary body color for Mercedes in the 70s. While it might 
have been the same color as the wheels, Würth refers to it a “silver wheel 
paint”. At least that’s been my experience.

Switch to ceramic brake pads and your dust will be minimal.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I may switch to carbon black so I don't have to fret about cleaning off the
> brake dust.
> ;)
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 4:44 PM ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dan,
>> 
>>   I thought they used to call this Worth astral grey...or am I
>> thinking of something else.  The mind wanders and the little grey cells
>> don't like up as good as they used to.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
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>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

My former message was a bit cryptic as I was trying to compose it quickly at a 
red light...

As others have stated, while the performance or lack thereof of this 
configuration of the 240D is minimal, driving one configured this way merely 
requires the driver to become more tactical in their driving habits. Risk 
taking is minimal, as your resources for making changes on short notice are 
limited, to say the least.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 12:19 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> How can that be dangerous? I am very often behind people who take a quarter 
> to a half of a mile to get up to 60 when getting onto a highway. None of them 
> were ever driving a 240D.
> 
> Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and 
>> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up 
>> the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower). 
>>  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that 
>> actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 
>> mph takes 45 seconds!
>> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a 
>> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will 
>> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem 
>> really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  
>> Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN 
>> HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is 
>> safe to be on the highway!
>> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
>> considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
>> this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
>> recently?
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
>> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
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Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy

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I would have them in a heartbeat if the utilities hadn’t lobbied our 
legislature to make it near impossible to do.

-D

> On Oct 5, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've got them at camp which is where they make perfect sense. Our use of 
> propane has cut down by 1/3 and our disposable battery use is down probably 
> 80%.
> Something is wrong with our system though, heavy snows damaged one panel 
> mount last winter and it ran out of power when my folks were there in 
> September... I think one of our panels isn't wired in correctly and another 
> might have come loose.
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, October 5, 2019, 1:39:29 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> So am I the only lister with rooftop solar panels?
> 
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Or, to put it another way, "follow the money".
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Amazing how the laws of physics (the laws of nature, and nature's God)
>>> some times reach out and smack you when you least expect it!  Those laws
>>> reign over the cult of envirocommies too.
>>> 
>>> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 11:04 AM:
 A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place.
 
 
 Craig
 
 
 https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab
 
 LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up
 to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary
 “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker
>> Michael
 Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered
 last week at his Traverse City Film Festival.
 
 The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but
 piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises
>> of
 the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil
 fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels,
 windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the
 Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as
 Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill
 McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots
>> climate
 change movements.
 
 Gibbs, who produced Moore’s


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129

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I believe you can swap the snubbers by just removing the nut on the top of the 
strut and carefully lowering the control arm enough to get the rod from the 
strut out of the mount.

I’ve done it on an R129, which has slightly different suspension.

-D

> On Oct 5, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Attaboy.
> Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. 
> I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies.
> Mitch.
>> On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless
>> things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new
>> frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited
>> slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion
>> seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old man Merkree

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Not in this case.

Even with snow tires it couldn’t climb my sloped driveway if there was snow on 
it.

-D

> On Oct 4, 2019, at 5:16 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 04/10/2019 4:11 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> I had a 2002 Crown Vic for a company car. It was a boat and really lousy in 
>> the snow, but was an otherwise reliable and actually pretty economical car 
>> to drive. Very comfy, too.
>> 
>> -D
> 
> Lousy in the snow was likely a matter of the tires as much as anything. Good 
> winter tires make a huge difference to most vehicles.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s like a whole new Bob!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Downshift clunk is typically related to vacuum.

-D

> On Oct 4, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The transmission mount needs to be replaced from time to time so please
> check it ASAP to at least rule that out.  Not a  difficult or expensive
> job..
> 
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:39 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Bravo!  Jaime gets the credit - he nailed it.
>> 
>> Clunk - I really don't remember enough about the 123 to offer much,
>> definitely could be a mount or maybe a flex disc?
>> 
>> Marshall Booth sometimes would advise whole-sale replacement of all the
>> rubber in the driveline, from the engine mounts all the way back to the
>> differential mounts, if they were more than ten years old.  Might be money
>> well spent if you want a really smooth and quiet ride, but there are other
>> things to do as well for a smooth ride like injector balancing.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:32 PM Don Snook via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The Bowden cable was sort of the issue.  The linkage was not placed
>>> corrected. When the throttle linkage moved, it was not pulling the cable
>> at
>>> all.  I clicked it over and it was like EUREKA!  So, I just went for a
>>> drive and it  downshifted, it delayed upshift as I was accelerating and
>> it
>>> shifted into third! It’s like a rocket by comparison.  Really!
>>> 
>>> So, the transmission was not shifting due to any input from the throttle.
>>> It was simply shifting based on a rev limit. So, it didn’t know I was
>>> accelerating and it never made it to third because I didn’t ever reach
>> the
>>> rev limit for 4th.
>>> 
>>> WOW! You guys are great! Thanks so much to Jamie and Meade!!!
>>> 
>>> Now, I need to figure out the big clunk when it downshifts when I’m
>>> slowing down.  Is that some sort of transmission mount?
>>> 
>>> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] update on "Bob Dole" the 123

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Best way to adjust the Bowden cable is to remove the cap from the ball, pull on 
the cable until you feel resistance, and see if the cap on the cable lines up 
over the ball on the linkage. If it doesn’t, carefully turn the threaded 
adjusting but on the cable jacket end to move the cable so it lines up over the 
ball.

In other words, with the slack taken out of the cable, the cap on the end of 
the cable should fit directly over the ball without moving the cable.

Be careful turning the adjusting nut, as they can often stick or bind due to 
dirt and aging of the plastic. You see a lot of them broken these days, either 
from age or mishandling. If it’s broken, the only fix is replacement of the 
cable, not a fun job.

-D

> On Oct 4, 2019, at 4:46 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The transmission shift points are INCREDIBLY sensitive to the adjustment of 
> underhood linkages etc. Like, one or two millimetres can radically change the 
> transmission's behaviour.
> 
> There is a detailed set of model-specific instructions in the MB 123 service 
> manual covering the systematic adjustment of all the linkages, which BEGINS 
> with ensuring that the accelerator control is set correctly (as its 
> adjustment affects the transmission). 
> 
> That procedure also has plenty of photos of the various components, incl. the 
> Bowden cable and the vacuum controls present on many 123 and 126 models. 
> 
> D. 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2019, Don Snook wrote:
>> 
>> Do I turn the nut to make it tighter or looser?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old man Merkree

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I had a 2002 Crown Vic for a company car. It was a boat and really lousy in the 
snow, but was an otherwise reliable and actually pretty economical car to 
drive. Very comfy, too.

-D

> On Oct 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like the Grand Marquis and Crown Victoria but I would want the 2011 which I 
> believe is the last year they were made. I had one of each as rental cars 
> back when they were new and they were nice cars.
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 04/10/2019 3:00 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> I bought the 78 300CD from one of their sales, they had it listed for &5k or 
>> something insane, I tried to talk sense into the tchatchke woman selling all 
>> the house trinkets, she was having no discussion of reality, thought it was 
>> like some super Ferrari or something.  At the end of the sale, no one else 
>> had expressed interest in the car so she turned me over to the woman's 
>> boyfriend of 30 years or whatver, and we made the deal.
>> 
>> 
>> http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001PPhoCrQHHJsumr9vfFM_c3mTXtb1VAiOsw4KPCqPiQBlMLUKfk42kJeDPrXjbIoo76SMgbcm_DgT5fQ1cb444EAENyQk0R_y410tVJ-325-82z0fSz6oDWV6XSRk__IFZ-kPgrVG4PLKuvtUiaSNtg==&c=6WE6QyGwHmU1FOE4GzC-3eg2xPBYb2iaCauYC5HkYE3OzybK25ETJQ==&ch=WhRPB1ZzhMp4E2Nw-TalkTkJ3t1Vlu1yMt5UMY0z-4b2ViB-_Jukew==
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>> 
>> 
>> *2006 Grand Marquis, 80K miles, brand new battery, one owner, $2500 open
>> (Photos will be added later today.)
>> 
>> Above listed items will start at the opening price and we will accept offers 
>> ABOVE those amounts moving in $250 or higher increments.
>> 
>> All parties leaving offers will be given the opportunity to increase their 
>> offers as many times as necessary.
>> 
>> Above items will be given as much time as necessary to assure proper 
>> vetting, but they will not be closed out earlier than Monday post sale.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

High mileage badges come from MBUSA, not the MBCA.

Get the form off their web site, take the car and form to a dealer to get their 
verification stamp, and send in the form. Six weeks later you’ll get a badge 
with a very nice certificate in a presentation case.

-D

> On Oct 4, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Don Snook via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I missed the email where Randy said his was a 76 300D.   He sent me a 
> picture.  Oh my gosh I love it.  Looks just like my old one!  Now, the 
> question is whether he wants to sell and for how much.  
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: OK Don  
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 7:13 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] [EXTERNAL] Re: 123 Diesel Plan of attack
> 
> That's exactly the car that I was thinking is right for Snook - mine was 
> green with a tqan interior - hated the color, but loved driving it until rust 
> and a drunk driver took it.
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:17 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < 
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Then you need one like mine that has no carbs. 1976 115 300D - red 
>> with the ivory interior.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
> 
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> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause 
> and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who 
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
> themselves."
> 
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] 1999 SL500

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

This would be one of the best of the R129 models if you’re going to buy one. 
All of the earlier kinks are long gone.

Based on your description I would say the ask is high, maybe more of a 
$10k-$12k car.

-D

> On Oct 4, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> R129s seem to be appreciating, but that seems kinda high.  My sense is that 
> something closer to $10k would be more reflective of the market, although the 
> Germans and other Euro guys have started looking to the US for examples like 
> this, so they might be driving up prices of higher-end cars like that if 
> indeed it is as portrayed.  Look on BaT there have been some recent sales, 
> that could give you an indication of the actual market values. "Good" cars 
> might be in the $7-9k range, so that is a lot of headroom at $15k.
> 
> These cars are not that difficult to deal with though they have more 
> electronics than the 123/126 cars, for sure, so that sometimes causes 
> wonkiness that could be somewhat difficult to diagnose as is to be expected.  
> Mechanically though, straightforward Benz engineering, parts readily 
> available, etc.
> 
> I drove mine the other evening, it has a newish aftermarket Alpine head unit, 
> I think connected to the factory amps and speakers and OMG did it sound 
> fantastic.
> 
> As a point of reference I bought mine, in very nice condition body/interior, 
> for $2300 knowing it had the wiring problems, hydraulic suspension, and top 
> hydraulics issues.  Nothing unworkable, just a PITA.  But when it is running 
> right, as it was the other evening, surprisingly, it is an amazing extremely 
> fast car.  I never really liked the styling, but it is growing on me.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/4/19 12:33 PM, Don Snook wrote:
>> It is 99 SL500 claimed to be in "showroom" condition with all service 
>> records.  It has less than 60K miles.  They are asking $14,900.  But, that 
>> is just the ask.  I'm sure there is room to negotiate.  It is not the kind 
>> of car I would want.  But, my friend has no kids and he has a 1970 Cutlass 
>> Convertible, a new Cadillac CT6, an old 80's Saab and now he is looking at 
>> this.
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Floyd Thursby 
>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 11:12 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1999 SL500
>> 
>> I have a 95 SL600.  Amazing car.  A coupla years in there the German gummint 
>> mandated biodegradable wiring insulation which causes untold problems.  Mine 
>> has that issue sigh...  99 was after that fiasco, and the 500 is a solid 
>> engine, I don't think there are m


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Re: [MBZ] Automotive Carpet Cleaner

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Uh, the subject was “Automotive carpet cleaners”, not “Automatic”.

?

-D

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone on this list who whines about automatic carpet cleaners is a
> p**pyhead.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:37 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> 
>> No!  Not at all!  I find the whiners to be very offensive.
>> 
>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/1/19 8:24 PM:
>>> I think it might be more accurate to say "I'm not offended that you're
>>> offended", would it not?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I'm pretty sure this is more entertaining ...

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That’s how I was describing the difference between the M119 and M120 to the 
eldest boy the other day. I was telling him about that really nice S600 that’s 
for sale nearby, and he was wondering why it would be any better than an S500 
as far as performance.

We were on the interstate at the time, and I asked him if he remembers the get 
up and go from a stop his former S420 had.

 “Yup.”

“OK, so we're going 70 mph. Think about that sort of performance when you put 
your foot into the car at 70 mph. That’s the difference.”

-D

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I drove the SL600 the other evening.  It was a bit cooler and it was running 
> pretty well.  Even at like 3/4 throttle it just builds power like a turbine 
> and it feels *really" good, then when it hits 4000rpm it is like a 
> supercharger kicks in and speed just builds and builds...  I left my driveway 
> and hit 80 before I really realized it, I even triggered the ASR nanny for a 
> split second. It's extremely entertaining.  It's probably not TOO much, but 
> it is quite adequate.  Maybe.  I was thinking what my buddy's newer SL65 
> would be like...
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 10/3/19 1:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>> Rather than looking at various Austrian all-terrain vehicles, consider
>> the answers to BAT's Question of the Week: How Much Power Is Too Much
>> Power?
>> 
>> Scroll the long way down to the bottom of the page and read the multitude
>> of responses.
>> 
>> Some of the good ones are:
>> 
>> 
>> Oct 2 at 12:18 PM
>> buickboy63 191
>> 
>> A Saturn “V” rocket strapped to a motorcycle MIGHT be too much power!
>> 
>> 
>> Oct 2 at 12:35 PM
>> Dr_Randy 7,166
>> 
>> Saw a picture the other day of a Miata with a supercharged Hellcat V8
>> stuffed into it. That might be the answer.
>> 
>> 
>> Oct 2 at 12:35 PM
>> zachmac 5,892
>> 
>> You are on the highway and want to pass. As you begin to depress the
>> accelerator, before you have a chance to steer around it, you run over
>> the car in front of you. That’s about enough power.
>> 
>> 
>> There are many more ...
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum lines

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Donald,

Some suggestions:

1.) Stop. Take a few steps back and stop trying to solve the car’s (perceived) 
issues collectively. Taking a shotgun approach to a car that is new and unknown 
to you is rarely productive.

2.) Try to make a list of the issues. Pick one and resolve it, then move to the 
next one on the list. If you run into a wall with something, move on to the 
next and circle back when others are resolved.

3.) Assume that everything is messed up. Take whatever the PO told you and 
forget it, as it will color your opinions regarding what is or isn’t wrong. 
Start clean with every issue and make no assumptions until you know they’re 
fact. My rule is to ignore everything the PO said and start from scratch. 
Rarely will you find someone as knowledgeable as yourself or this group, 
meaning that what you’re being told by the PO is probably wrong.

Observations on my part based on things you’ve said of late:

Clean out the boost line from the back of the intake manifold to the vacuum 
control valve on the firewall and to the IP. I’m betting your lack of power is 
the classic “no boost” scenario due to a clogged boost line.

Find a diagram for the switchover valves and get that sorted. Plug the EGR line 
with a BB or golf tee. Replace the worn out switchover valve levers that I’m 
betting are worn away to nothing. They’re pocket change from the dealer.

Forget everything the PO told you about the ACC. Check the blower fuse first. 
It’s undersized and prone to fail. Mercedes has a retrofit kit to relocate the 
fuse out of the fuse box and use a strip fuse of a higher amperage. I can get 
the number if you can’t find it in the archives - I’ve posted it here a couple 
of times, cost is around $20 from the dealer.

With the fuse sorted, check the system for operation. Some good suggestions on 
the blower motor in the event it needs brushes. The ACC controller rarely 
fails, ignore it for now. Your push button unit may need to be resoldered, if 
you’re handy with a soldering iron it’s an easy fix.

Back to vacuum...

There is a rather lengthy dissertation I wrote for Richarde’s mbz.org on 
adjusting and troubleshooting the vacuum system with the IP and transmission, 
I.e., modulator adjustment. If you can’t find it I’ll dig up a copy.

Small steps, man. It’s like eating an elephant - lots and lots of small bites.

-D

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You can't drive it too hard, or rather if you do what broke was about to fail 
> anyway. A 240D has to be driven 100% almost all of the time, a 300D turbo is 
> babied by comparison.
> I suspect your accelerator pedal isn't making the rack travel all the way. I 
> had that happen to my second 240D, theres a dingus that takes the back and 
> forth motion from the firewall and makes it up and down motion at the rack 
> that had gotten loose and was only moving about halfway. 
> 
> RE: smoke, you should be able to see if at dusk with headlights behind you, 
> no smoke when pushing hard means you're not really pushing hard...
> Have you put any magic goop in it? A diesel purge treatment is probably in 
> order...
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, October 1, 2019, 11:55:18 AM EDT, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> It’s a 300D. It’s slow. But, not nearly as bad a 240D. The one time I drove 
> one of those it felt dangerously slow.  Keep in mind, the last MB diesel I 
> have driven was my former 124 300D 2.5T and I remember thinking back then it 
> was a lot faster then my previous 123 diesel.  So, maybe what I am 
> experiencing is normal. 
> 
> The thing I keep wondering is if the lack of black smoke means this is tuned 
> perfectly (and thus no wasted fuel) or is something wrong and it is not 
> getting enough fuel which would mean the reason there is no smoke is because 
> it is running TOO lean. That might explain low power and no smoke. 
> 
> One potential wrinkle I experienced last night was that the car seemed to run 
> tougher than it did when I drove it back from Texas.  I didn’t baby it. I 
> wanted to see what it could do. I know the old advice is to drive it like you 
> stole it.  But, I’m hoping I didn’t drive it a little too hard.  
> 
> Seeing all the vacuum lines is sort of giving me a little PTSD from prior 123 
> experience. :) 
> 
> On another note (which is also enhancing my anxiety), the three closest 
> Mercedes/European shops in Memphis have said they do not work on these old 
> cars.  I was hoping one of these shops had an old guy that would be excited 
> to see one of these cars because they are so iconic.  
> 
> I did find one shop in Memphis that has been around forever that I think will 
> work on it.  
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Climate Control unit 123

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Good point. If it’s an 82 it probably doesn’t have the relocated and larger 
strip fuse for the blower motor. The original fuse may have melted down.

-D

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> CHANGE the FUSES   ? (channelling Herr Doktor)
> 
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote on 10/1/19 11:15 AM:
>> Weird that defrost doesn't work, that is the "failsafe" mode AFAIK.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New E320 CDI Fun - NOT

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

This is a great video about the issue. It appears to be quite common on a 
number of common rail injection engines of this vintage, not just Mercedes.

And yes, Craig, the injectors are electronic piezo type.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 1:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Someone on the list thinks this guy is an idiot, but whatever.
> Here is a video that explains the problem and what to look for.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEp4GjcXy3o&t=14s
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Craig via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:53 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Craig
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New E320 CDI Fun - NOT
> 
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:20:39 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> The success of the job really revolves around being surgically clean,
>> especially for the hold down bolt. The bolt gets replaced as it’s a
>> stretch bolt, but if there is any crud in the bolt bore it can cause
>> the bolt to break upon tightening or punch through the bottom of the
>> bore into the water jacket should there be solids or liquids
>> presentbefore the bolt is threaded in.
> 
> So these injectors must be quite different than the ones on OM61x and
> OM60x engines!
> 
> Where might one see a picture of them?
> 
> Do they have piezoelectric stacks like the injectors for heavy truck
> engines?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New E320 CDI Fun - NOT

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That is correct, more so that I replace the seals on the injectors, the 
injectors themselves aren’t leaking - it’s the seal between the injector nozzle 
and the head, a copper washer. Parts to do the whole set are like $18.00 from 
the dealer, and it’s common enough that my dealer stocks them.

The success of the job really revolves around being surgically clean, 
especially for the hold down bolt. The bolt gets replaced as it’s a stretch 
bolt, but if there is any crud in the bolt bore it can cause the bolt to break 
upon tightening or punch through the bottom of the bore into the water jacket 
should there be solids or liquids presentbefore the bolt is threaded in.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> 
> I thought as long you replaced the leaking injectors it would be okay? 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 4:12 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>> Dang it.
>> 
>> Got the car home, got it cleaned up initially, started poking around a bit 
>> and found the tiniest bit of bubbling around the #3 and #4 injectors with 
>> some brake cleaner sprayed around the bases. I checked it out closely when I 
>> test drove it the other day and didn’t see anything. A 60 mile drive on the 
>> interstate at 80 mph seems to have loosened things up a bit…however, the 
>> leakage is really minimal and there’s no buildup of crud or anything that 
>> would indicate it’s significant or even remotely approaching the “Black 
>> Death” stage.
>> 
>> Got a set of seals, bolts and a container of grease ordered from the dealer. 
>> I may just do #3 and #4 and leave the others alone for now. Ordered a seat 
>> cutting tool off Amazon - there are a lot of them, so this must be endemic 
>> for a number of different engines, and not just Mercedes.
>> 
>> I’m going to let the boy drive it until I get the stuff to fix it. We’ll 
>> keep an eye on it in the meantime, but his commute is only about 30-40 miles 
>> a day so I don’t expect it to be an issue at this point.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] New E320 CDI Fun - NOT

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Not sure.

However, it does show there’s some leakage past the sealing ring of the 
injector, which is the symptom that snowballs into the “Black Death” scenario.

I’m going out of town later in the week, so I’m not sure if I want to take this 
on before I leave or wait until the next weekend to address it. We’ll 
definitely keep close tabs on things, that’s for sure.

Hmm.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is brake cleaner a valid test?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 5:13 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dang it.
>> 
>> Got the car home, got it cleaned up initially, started poking around a bit
>> and found the tiniest bit of bubbling around the #3 and #4 injectors with
>> some brake cleaner sprayed around the bases. I checked it out closely when
>> I test drove it the other day and didn’t see anything. A 60 mile drive on
>> the interstate at 80 mph seems to have loosened things up a bit…however,
>> the leakage is really minimal and there’s no buildup of crud or anything
>> that would indicate it’s significant or even remotely approaching the
>> “Black Death” stage.
>> 
>> Got a set of seals, bolts and a container of grease ordered from the
>> dealer. I may just do #3 and #4 and leave the others alone for now. Ordered
>> a seat cutting tool off Amazon - there are a lot of them, so this must be
>> endemic for a number of different engines, and not just Mercedes.
>> 
>> I’m going to let the boy drive it until I get the stuff to fix it. We’ll
>> keep an eye on it in the meantime, but his commute is only about 30-40
>> miles a day so I don’t expect it to be an issue at this point.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Costco tires

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I just logged into my Costco account and looked into this.

It appears that you can buy gift cards and send them to any address you choose, 
however, if you want to reload them it has to be done in the store by a member.

-D

> On Sep 26, 2019, at 7:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Questions about Costco gift cards.
> Must they be purchased in store, or can they be bought online?
> If online, do they have to be shipped to the member or may they be delivered 
> to the recipient?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Could be decent, but still a bit high

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Almost as fun to drive as your SL600. Amazing how fast a W124 goes with an M119 
in it.

-D

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Same color as my daughters E320
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/562296147880404/
> 
> 1995 Mercedes Benz E420
> Conway, SC· 2 hours ago 
> ·
>  
> $1,000
> 
> A restoration project I bought over 2 years ago and because of so many other 
> cars I haven’t gotten to it yet. It’s the last year of this classic body 
> style, plus it’s the even more rare find v8(not a 6cylinder 300). Runs and 
> drives with good tires but still needs to be serviced by a Mercedes certified 
> mechanic before being a daily driver. Interior fair condition and clearcoat 
> completely diminished on hood/roof/trunk requiring a paint job. The price is 
> firm, will not entertain any offers, will need a battery and will need to be 
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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro

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They do mention on their web site not to send empty bottles back, implying that 
they should have to old fluids in them.

-D

> On Sep 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I sent used oil samples in for analysis via USPS - have for years - so
> filters are probably not an issue. I do wonder though if it's warranted to
> not fail (leak?) "for life", not to not need to be replaced?
> 
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> 
>> I thought of it yesterday and looked on their website this morning, says
>> filters are covered, says something about return used parts, no specific
>> mention of filters.  Might be classified as a hazardous shipment?  I
>> could ask at some point.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 9/23/19 11:02 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I just ordered a new master cylinder for the ML, as it likes to leak
>> down slowly while your foot is on it. I tossed some filters on the order as
>> well, and when doing so was wondering the same about consumables.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have experience with them on this? I’m curious as well.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I ordered the 722.6 trans kit from FCPEuro and a coupla oil filters,
>> yesterday I realized that they have lifetime warranty on parts which
>> includes filters.  Not sure if you have to send back a nasty filter, which
>> might cost as much as a new filter, but that is good to know.  Buy one oil
>> filter, never buy any ever again.
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Re: [MBZ] FCPEuro

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I just ordered a new master cylinder for the ML, as it likes to leak down 
slowly while your foot is on it. I tossed some filters on the order as well, 
and when doing so was wondering the same about consumables.

Anyone have experience with them on this? I’m curious as well.

-D

> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I ordered the 722.6 trans kit from FCPEuro and a coupla oil filters, 
> yesterday I realized that they have lifetime warranty on parts which includes 
> filters.  Not sure if you have to send back a nasty filter, which might cost 
> as much as a new filter, but that is good to know.  Buy one oil filter, never 
> buy any ever again.
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300D Needs to go

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Day trip to come get it. I’ll sell it cheap. I’ll even provide overnight 
accommodations if necessary.

I resigned myself years ago after seeing the job that an evaporator replacement 
took in my W124 wagon that I would never do it myself - and I’m sticking to 
that promise.

-D

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Smoke silver metallic (702) exterior and Cream Beige (175) MB-Tex interior.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 9:45 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dan, what is the color paint and interior color?
>> -- 
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>> 
>>> On September 20, 2019 9:11:10 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Nope. Getting long in the tooth and the AC leak is getting worse. I am
>>> not doing an evaporator replacement. Ain’t gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What's wrong with the E300?  Color?
>>>> -- 
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>>>> 
>>>>> On September 20, 2019 8:53:24 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I’m going to look at a couple of W210 diesels this weekend. If I
>>> pull
>>>>> the trigger on one the E300D will get taken out of service.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hm.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 7:48 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’ve got a 95 E300D that’s about ready for the trip. Maybe you
>>> could
>>>>> make a big swing around the South and get both?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -D
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Damn too far for me but one of the bottom feeders over there will
>>>>> get it. If not maybe we can do a relay haul to get it to Okie Acres
>>>>> Retirement Home for Old Age Benz. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Gang, My wife wants the '91 300D out of the yard so it will
>>> go
>>>>> to salvage for $200 unless one of you wants it?  Except for the rear
>>>>> suspension attaching points being rusted out (on the chassis side)
>>>>> there are lots of new to nearly new parts.  almost new tires, new
>>>>> radiator, water pump, and the DVs were rebuilt by a local Indy, GP
>>>>> Relay is almost new.  If I charge the battery it will light off
>>>>> instantly.   runs and shifts great.  I hate to see it go but it's
>>>>> beyond my physical ability to repair.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It's located in Chester, Va. 23831 & can be driven onto a
>>> trailer.
>>>>> I'd rather see one of you get it than send it to the crusher.
>>>>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mittlerot '60 190Db Ponton in Bend, OR

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It will get jacked up at the end as people light up their BaT pipes.

-D

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Looks pretty, drives and only $5k at present.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300D Needs to go

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Smoke silver metallic (702) exterior and Cream Beige (175) MB-Tex interior.

-D

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 9:45 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan, what is the color paint and interior color?
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> 
>> On September 20, 2019 9:11:10 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Nope. Getting long in the tooth and the AC leak is getting worse. I am
>> not doing an evaporator replacement. Ain’t gonna happen.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What's wrong with the E300?  Color?
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>>> 
>>>> On September 20, 2019 8:53:24 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>>> I’m going to look at a couple of W210 diesels this weekend. If I
>> pull
>>>> the trigger on one the E300D will get taken out of service.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hm.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 7:48 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve got a 95 E300D that’s about ready for the trip. Maybe you
>> could
>>>> make a big swing around the South and get both?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Damn too far for me but one of the bottom feeders over there will
>>>> get it. If not maybe we can do a relay haul to get it to Okie Acres
>>>> Retirement Home for Old Age Benz. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Gang, My wife wants the '91 300D out of the yard so it will
>> go
>>>> to salvage for $200 unless one of you wants it?  Except for the rear
>>>> suspension attaching points being rusted out (on the chassis side)
>>>> there are lots of new to nearly new parts.  almost new tires, new
>>>> radiator, water pump, and the DVs were rebuilt by a local Indy, GP
>>>> Relay is almost new.  If I charge the battery it will light off
>>>> instantly.   runs and shifts great.  I hate to see it go but it's
>>>> beyond my physical ability to repair.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It's located in Chester, Va. 23831 & can be driven onto a
>> trailer.
>>>> I'd rather see one of you get it than send it to the crusher.
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 91 300D Needs to go

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Nope. Getting long in the tooth and the AC leak is getting worse. I am not 
doing an evaporator replacement. Ain’t gonna happen.

-D

> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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>> On September 20, 2019 8:53:24 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I’m going to look at a couple of W210 diesels this weekend. If I pull
>> the trigger on one the E300D will get taken out of service.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hm.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 7:48 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve got a 95 E300D that’s about ready for the trip. Maybe you could
>> make a big swing around the South and get both?
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Damn too far for me but one of the bottom feeders over there will
>> get it. If not maybe we can do a relay haul to get it to Okie Acres
>> Retirement Home for Old Age Benz. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Gang, My wife wants the '91 300D out of the yard so it will go
>> to salvage for $200 unless one of you wants it?  Except for the rear
>> suspension attaching points being rusted out (on the chassis side)
>> there are lots of new to nearly new parts.  almost new tires, new
>> radiator, water pump, and the DVs were rebuilt by a local Indy, GP
>> Relay is almost new.  If I charge the battery it will light off
>> instantly.   runs and shifts great.  I hate to see it go but it's
>> beyond my physical ability to repair.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's located in Chester, Va. 23831 & can be driven onto a trailer.
>> I'd rather see one of you get it than send it to the crusher.
>>>>>> 
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