Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back up your point they'd listen.Part of it, I suspect, is the program of study, in film and video if it looks good it is good. Broke a rule but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. Break a rule and the finished product sucks? Back to the drawing board. The other nice thing was that failure is just a learning experience that makes your next project better, nobody is perfect the first time and because of that we were encouraged to experiment which then made you better. The kids in more conventional fields of study hated us. I had one design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is... -Curt Tain't so anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do so, so I won't. But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to death and then come up with something that doesn't address the issue because actually doing so might offend someone. Goes double for integrity because that is not valued much any more unless it fits some other agenda. --R You nailed that! The other alternative is to make illegal threats to student,staff, faculty who know anything about the illegal/unethical activity,and sweep it under the rug. I'm thinking it is about time to find my box of evidence and start making noise about 20 year old illegal actions. This approach is generally applied by the Univ to illegal activities they DON'T want discussed, because in the official doublespeek, it never happened BTDT. It ain't pretty! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
Having worked at a big 10 school and an SEC school I totally agree and i would abolish the NCAA. We had George Jefferson. He looked and sounded like George Jefferson on the Movin on up TV show. He real name was George. His last name was different but similar. George's job was to pressure profs and TAs to make sure athaelites passed classes by any means (all condoned) and to make sure those of certain equal pigmentation passed classes and gragitated, using any means possible (also condoned) Before I could gragitate with an advanced degree (debris?) i was forced to go in and get a signature from George Jefferson. It turned my stomach. It turned my stomach to have to go in there and look at this little being (not a man) and grovel for a signature. It was very difficult to not speak the truth and just grovel for the signature. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
Why does Penn State come to mind right now? I worked at a major university for a couple of years while I attended school there. While there can be some pretty sordid things that go on in the corporate world, I was stunned at some of the things I heard and saw while I was working there. Convinced me it was not a long term thing for me…. Dan On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do so, so I won't. But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to death and then come up with something that doesn't address the issue because actually doing so might offend someone. Goes double for integrity because that is not valued much any more unless it fits some other agenda. --R You nailed that! The other alternative is to make illegal threats to student,staff, faculty who know anything about the illegal/unethical activity,and sweep it under the rug. I'm thinking it is about time to find my box of evidence and start making noise about 20 year old illegal actions. This approach is generally applied by the Univ to illegal activities they DON'T want discussed, because in the official doublespeek, it never happened BTDT. It ain't pretty! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
+1 +1 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton Hear Here! (stomping a a cane on the floor) Attaboy! I nominate Wilton for pres, chancellor or whatever they call the head honkey at UNC, and/or chair of the board of regents or whatever body is supposed to oversee the universities for the State! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
T'is where I went to school. I know the head of the department, he was just starting out when I was about halfway through school. We talk about the old days and very little has changed there base curriculum wise. The tools are different now but the theory is the same. We also get a number of interns from there where I work now. They come out as good as ever, of course you get the occasional knuckle head but the internship program is kind of a last quality control check... -Curt From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back up your point they'd listen.Part of it, I suspect, is the program of study, in film and video if it looks good it is good. Broke a rule but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. Break a rule and the finished product sucks? Back to the drawing board. The other nice thing was that failure is just a learning experience that makes your next project better, nobody is perfect the first time and because of that we were encouraged to experiment which then made you better. The kids in more conventional fields of study hated us. I had one design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is... -Curt Tain't so anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
On July 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Why does Penn State come to mind right now? You mean the place where a former assistant coach kept raping little boys in the locker room long after he retired? Where the so-called whistleblower, upon finding a felony in progress (retiree sodomizing a boy who appeared to be ten years old), ran home to phone his daddy for advise on what to do about it, before waiting until the next day to inform school officials (not campus police) what he saw? The worst part of it is, if the testicle deficient young man who witnessed the rape had done the right thing (tackle the rapist and call the police to come get feces/blood samples off the guy's penis for DNA testing) he probably would never get another job in a university setting again. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
Curt wrote: ...Broke a rule but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. And we wonder where innovation and invention have gone? Education should sponsor innovation and invention. If all we do is repeat the past, where is future? Your idea is the statement entirely of why I love hackers. NO, I don't like my bank account gone, but I barely have an account. Wrong is wrong, but the innovation and invention to get ahold of the account info is really the basis for innovation. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs did not learn their stuff in the rigor of classroom work. See Triumph of the Nerds. A bit of corousing and beer - next step is NextStep, MS, Apple. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
WILTON wrote: ...put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Maybe it is missing universally. Construction zone is 45mph - I can do that instead of risk $375 fine. Many pass at higher speed, just to stop 3 miles ahead at light - what's the sense? Is 45mph that hard? Same goes for manufacturing, i.e. see the NUMI plant article I gave for Jaime. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
RB wrote: ...you cannot get a job anywhere unless you are reasonably proficient in Autocad (or the newer version, - Ribbit or something like that). Revit. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
Rick wrote: Sorry for the lengthy off topic diatribe. Nope - totally ontopic, and you know it. Now, go see Gonzo and speak some more. Anyone else also - see the movie Gonzo. A documentary about HST - Hunter S Thompson. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
fmiser wrote: I would amend that just a bit because the integrity does not strictly include anything about what is right. And since each of us will have a slightly (or not so slight?) difference of opinion about what is right. Yes!! Uniformity sucks. Diversity rules. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back up your point they'd listen.Part of it, I suspect, is the program of study, in film and video if it looks good it is good. Broke a rule but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. Break a rule and the finished product sucks? Back to the drawing board. The other nice thing was that failure is just a learning experience that makes your next project better, nobody is perfect the first time and because of that we were encouraged to experiment which then made you better. The kids in more conventional fields of study hated us. I had one design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do so, so I won't. But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to death and then come up with something that doesn't address the issue because actually doing so might offend someone. Goes double for integrity because that is not valued much any more unless it fits some other agenda. --R On 7/23/15 2:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
On 23/07/2015 1:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I am so so glad I went to a small state college . . . . I had one design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is... -Curt Sounds a bit like some of the things my elder son did in Architecture. The exact wording of the one assignment escapes me but it was to make something out of unconventional materials (or something like that in any event). I came up with the idea for him. He made a coffee cup out of ground coffee. He mixed white glue into ground coffee and formed it around a cup so that it looked as though the whole cup was made of coffee. We made a very simple 3 sided box without a top out of white melamine coated particle board to display it in. It looked pretty cool and smelled good too. One of the profs left a written comment that it was oddly beautiful or something like that. It was appreciated as one of the better entries. On another project, they were instructed to go and look at some semi abandoned building here in town. They were then supposed to make a model to illustrate some rehab of it. Geoff went and took photos of the building from all sides and photo shopped them and printed the photos and glued them onto white foam board and created a very realistic version of the building. No one else had done such a thing and the profs were all truly amazed. There was a lot of interest in it. Strangely enough, they later decided that they did not want students to do that again. They preferred hand drawn and rendered artwork. This is the same school that does not teach Autocad even though it is well known that you cannot get a job anywhere unless you are reasonably proficient in Autocad (or the newer version, - Ribbit or something like that). Geoff was quite computer proficient and he taught himself enough to pass the firm's basic test and get hired on as a summer student to begin with and then later as an intern once he got his Master's degree. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
Having worked at a big 10 school and an SEC school I totally agree and i would abolish the NCAA. On Jul 23, 2015 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As far as I'm concerned athletics has no place in college beyond the intramural level. The idea of college sports as quasi professional is completely at odds with the real job of college which is education. As long as there is money to be made in college sports there will be abuse of the system. At best its a distraction and worst it turns college into a total sham and makes a degree worthless. -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
'Nother ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics On 23/07/2015 1:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I am so so glad I went to a small state college . . . . I had one design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is... -Curt Sounds a bit like some of the things my elder son did in Architecture. The exact wording of the one assignment escapes me but it was to make something out of unconventional materials (or something like that in any event). I came up with the idea for him. He made a coffee cup out of ground coffee. He mixed white glue into ground coffee and formed it around a cup so that it looked as though the whole cup was made of coffee. We made a very simple 3 sided box without a top out of white melamine coated particle board to display it in. It looked pretty cool and smelled good too. One of the profs left a written comment that it was oddly beautiful or something like that. It was appreciated as one of the better entries. On another project, they were instructed to go and look at some semi abandoned building here in town. They were then supposed to make a model to illustrate some rehab of it. Geoff went and took photos of the building from all sides and photo shopped them and printed the photos and glued them onto white foam board and created a very realistic version of the building. No one else had done such a thing and the profs were all truly amazed. There was a lot of interest in it. Strangely enough, they later decided that they did not want students to do that again. They preferred hand drawn and rendered artwork. This is the same school that does not teach Autocad even though it is well known that you cannot get a job anywhere unless you are reasonably proficient in Autocad (or the newer version, - Ribbit or something like that). Geoff was quite computer proficient and he taught himself enough to pass the firm's basic test and get hired on as a summer student to begin with and then later as an intern once he got his Master's degree. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back up your point they'd listen.Part of it, I suspect, is the program of study, in film and video if it looks good it is good. Broke a rule but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. Break a rule and the finished product sucks? Back to the drawing board. The other nice thing was that failure is just a learning experience that makes your next project better, nobody is perfect the first time and because of that we were encouraged to experiment which then made you better. The kids in more conventional fields of study hated us. I had one design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do so, so I won't. But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to death and then come up with something that doesn't address the issue because actually doing so might offend someone. Goes double for integrity because that is not valued much any more unless it fits some other agenda. --R On 7/23/15 2:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
As far as I'm concerned athletics has no place in college beyond the intramural level. The idea of college sports as quasi professional is completely at odds with the real job of college which is education. As long as there is money to be made in college sports there will be abuse of the system. At best its a distraction and worst it turns college into a total sham and makes a degree worthless. -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
+1 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
'Been my thoughts on the subject, too, for more than 60 years. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics As far as I'm concerned athletics has no place in college beyond the intramural level. The idea of college sports as quasi professional is completely at odds with the real job of college which is education. As long as there is money to be made in college sports there will be abuse of the system. At best its a distraction and worst it turns college into a total sham and makes a degree worthless. -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do so, so I won't. But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to death and then come up with something that doesn't address the issue because actually doing so might offend someone. Goes double for integrity because that is not valued much any more unless it fits some other agenda. --R On 7/23/15 2:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics
Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies. Co-chair said that they first want to define integrity. To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when nobody else is watching. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
