Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
https://www.villagehatshop.com/category/84/1/pith-helmets.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0ZzThJmt4wIV27fACh3OBQAQEAAYASAAEgInNPD_BwE On 11/07/2019 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: We need a pith helmet competition at the next Q... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 7:19 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: Yes i loved my pith helmet- not sure what happened to it. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 8:59 PM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: I wear a pith helmet when I go outside around here, and have worn hats of one form or another in the years I worked outdoors. I have a really nice Akubra hat I got when I was In Australia but I rarely wear it as I’ve always been afraid I would mess it up... -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
Include rap, I'll be there to watch. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On July 11, 2019 11:32:31 AM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >We need a pith helmet competition at the next Q... > >Curt > >Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 7:19 PM, Dwight Giles via >Mercedes wrote: Yes i loved my pith helmet- >not sure what happened to it. > >Dwight Giles Jr. >Wickford RI > >On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 8:59 PM Dan--- via Mercedes > >wrote: > >> I wear a pith helmet when I go outside around here, and have worn >hats of >> one form or another in the years I worked outdoors. >> >> I have a really nice Akubra hat I got when I was In Australia but I >rarely >> wear it as I’ve always been afraid I would mess it up... >> >> -D >> >> On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> the Indiana Jones style hats (whatever the formal name is for that >> style) >> > >> > Fedora. >> > >> > -- Jim >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
We need a pith helmet competition at the next Q... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 7:19 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: Yes i loved my pith helmet- not sure what happened to it. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 8:59 PM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > I wear a pith helmet when I go outside around here, and have worn hats of > one form or another in the years I worked outdoors. > > I have a really nice Akubra hat I got when I was In Australia but I rarely > wear it as I’ve always been afraid I would mess it up... > > -D > > On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> the Indiana Jones style hats (whatever the formal name is for that > style) > > > > Fedora. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
Pith helmet? https://youtu.be/0iRTB-FTMdk -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On July 10, 2019 10:18:33 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: >Yes i loved my pith helmet- not sure what happened to it. > >Dwight Giles Jr. >Wickford RI > >On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 8:59 PM Dan--- via Mercedes > >wrote: > >> I wear a pith helmet when I go outside around here, and have worn >hats of >> one form or another in the years I worked outdoors. >> >> I have a really nice Akubra hat I got when I was In Australia but I >rarely >> wear it as I’ve always been afraid I would mess it up... >> >> -D >> >> On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> the Indiana Jones style hats (whatever the formal name is for that >> style) >> > >> > Fedora. >> > >> > -- Jim >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
Yes i loved my pith helmet- not sure what happened to it. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 8:59 PM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > I wear a pith helmet when I go outside around here, and have worn hats of > one form or another in the years I worked outdoors. > > I have a really nice Akubra hat I got when I was In Australia but I rarely > wear it as I’ve always been afraid I would mess it up... > > -D > > On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> the Indiana Jones style hats (whatever the formal name is for that > style) > > > > Fedora. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
5 inch brim is my hat of choice, for good shade. Last time I was at the Reno Air Races while Bob Hoover was there, he complimented the hat, and offered to trade with me now wish I had. Bob always had his trademark hat, for the same reasons I wear one, shade and sun damage protection. Like you, I keep a ball cap in the plane, for eye shade, the big hat hangs off the back of the seat for while I'm on the ramp, where ever I am. Since I plan to live a lot longer, the skin doc and I visit every 6 months, just to keep early detection going... [and likely to make sure his children's tuition is paid in college.] On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 3:39 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > I wear fully brimmed hats year round, light weight in the summer, full > leather Aussie style in the winter. I only wear ball caps when flying as I > can't get the headset on over the wide brims, and need the eye shade in the > morning and evening times. I complained to my dermatologist last time that > even though I ALWAYS wear a hat outside, I still had a dozen spots to be > frozen off. He said that I should see how many spots he has to freeze on > the guys who refuse to wear a hat. The explanation for my case is that the > damage was done many years before I started wearing a hat, which was about > the time I bought the MGA (age 21) - hair got really tangled and blowing > into my eyes without a hat. > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:34 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > On 10/07/2019 12:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > > Having lived at an earlier time ... > > > > > > Segway forward to modern era, and look for a place to "hang your > hat" > > > they don't exist. > > > Further, dining tables are now very landscape challenged. There is no > > place > > > to lay your hat and eat a meal. Thus, I posit the culture adapted to > the > > > conditions imposed and shifted to keeping your hat parked on your > head... > > > hair or not. > > > > > > > I suggest that the reason that there are no places to put hats is > > because people stopped wearing them rather than the other way around. > > > > I sort of like hats but I am not sure they look good on me. I have some > > Tilley style hats with brims all way around that I wear if I am in the > > sun (or once in a while if I need to work outside in the rain) but have > > never favoured ball caps. I have tried on some of the Indiana Jones > > style hats (whatever the formal name is for that style) but have yet to > > talk myself into buying one. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
-D wrote: > I have a really nice Akubra hat... Me too - Akubra from LLBean, sold as Snowy River hat. All beat up after 30-years of use, holes and all but generally the rabbit fur felt makes a great hat. tin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
I wear a pith helmet when I go outside around here, and have worn hats of one form or another in the years I worked outdoors. I have a really nice Akubra hat I got when I was In Australia but I rarely wear it as I’ve always been afraid I would mess it up... -D On Jul 10, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >> the Indiana Jones style hats (whatever the formal name is for that style) > > Fedora. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> the Indiana Jones style hats (whatever the formal name is for that style) Fedora. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
You mean Mexicans? Illegal or otherwise. Build the wall. On 7/10/2019 4:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I have to ask: What persuasion are the workers with the lawn services? Many in this part of the world are from south of the border. I wondered if they were as prevalent in the same industry in AK. -D On Jul 10, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote: There has been great heat in ANC this past week. The bulk of the neighbors are pasty white and afeared of the blazing ball of heat in the sky, so cover themselves fully. I tried that for a few minutes then gave up. Been shirtless working in the yard and puttering around the ‘hood. There might be HOA rules against this, but I have not heard. I do get disapproving glances for sitting on the front porch in my swim trunks with an ice cold beer. I guess I could frolic in the sprinkler in the front yard instead, but SWMBA does not water her lawn. Most of the neighbors subscribe to yard service, which sends an armada of mowers to assault the lawns once each week. clay On Jul 9, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On July 9, 2019 4:32:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes Are the ladies all required to wear dresses just like the photos of suburbia in the 50's? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
I wear fully brimmed hats year round, light weight in the summer, full leather Aussie style in the winter. I only wear ball caps when flying as I can't get the headset on over the wide brims, and need the eye shade in the morning and evening times. I complained to my dermatologist last time that even though I ALWAYS wear a hat outside, I still had a dozen spots to be frozen off. He said that I should see how many spots he has to freeze on the guys who refuse to wear a hat. The explanation for my case is that the damage was done many years before I started wearing a hat, which was about the time I bought the MGA (age 21) - hair got really tangled and blowing into my eyes without a hat. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:34 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 10/07/2019 12:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > Having lived at an earlier time ... > > > > Segway forward to modern era, and look for a place to "hang your hat" > > they don't exist. > > Further, dining tables are now very landscape challenged. There is no > place > > to lay your hat and eat a meal. Thus, I posit the culture adapted to the > > conditions imposed and shifted to keeping your hat parked on your head... > > hair or not. > > > > I suggest that the reason that there are no places to put hats is > because people stopped wearing them rather than the other way around. > > I sort of like hats but I am not sure they look good on me. I have some > Tilley style hats with brims all way around that I wear if I am in the > sun (or once in a while if I need to work outside in the rain) but have > never favoured ball caps. I have tried on some of the Indiana Jones > style hats (whatever the formal name is for that style) but have yet to > talk myself into buying one. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
On 10/07/2019 12:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Having lived at an earlier time ... Segway forward to modern era, and look for a place to "hang your hat" they don't exist. Further, dining tables are now very landscape challenged. There is no place to lay your hat and eat a meal. Thus, I posit the culture adapted to the conditions imposed and shifted to keeping your hat parked on your head... hair or not. I suggest that the reason that there are no places to put hats is because people stopped wearing them rather than the other way around. I sort of like hats but I am not sure they look good on me. I have some Tilley style hats with brims all way around that I wear if I am in the sun (or once in a while if I need to work outside in the rain) but have never favoured ball caps. I have tried on some of the Indiana Jones style hats (whatever the formal name is for that style) but have yet to talk myself into buying one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
The mix is toward caucasians on summer job with a few supervisors with brown eyes and dark hair. The business is year round to plow snow and then mow lawns when there is no snow to be had. The supervisors drive, the white boys mow, rake, spread fertilizer. No lolly-gagging, a very well oiled military machine sweeping blitzkreig through the yards. clay > On Jul 10, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have to ask: > > What persuasion are the workers with the lawn services? > > Many in this part of the world are from south of the border. I wondered if > they were as prevalent in the same industry in AK. > > -D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
I have to ask: What persuasion are the workers with the lawn services? Many in this part of the world are from south of the border. I wondered if they were as prevalent in the same industry in AK. -D > On Jul 10, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > There has been great heat in ANC this past week. The bulk of the neighbors > are pasty white and afeared of the blazing ball of heat in the sky, so cover > themselves fully. I tried that for a few minutes then gave up. Been > shirtless working in the yard and puttering around the ‘hood. There might be > HOA rules against this, but I have not heard. I do get disapproving glances > for sitting on the front porch in my swim trunks with an ice cold beer. I > guess I could frolic in the sprinkler in the front yard instead, but SWMBA > does not water her lawn. Most of the neighbors subscribe to yard service, > which sends an armada of mowers to assault the lawns once each week. > > clay > >> On Jul 9, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course. >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> On July 9, 2019 4:32:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>> Are the ladies all required to wear dresses just like the photos of >>> suburbia in the 50's? >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
There has been great heat in ANC this past week. The bulk of the neighbors are pasty white and afeared of the blazing ball of heat in the sky, so cover themselves fully. I tried that for a few minutes then gave up. Been shirtless working in the yard and puttering around the ‘hood. There might be HOA rules against this, but I have not heard. I do get disapproving glances for sitting on the front porch in my swim trunks with an ice cold beer. I guess I could frolic in the sprinkler in the front yard instead, but SWMBA does not water her lawn. Most of the neighbors subscribe to yard service, which sends an armada of mowers to assault the lawns once each week. clay > On Jul 9, 2019, at 1:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > On July 9, 2019 4:32:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> Are the ladies all required to wear dresses just like the photos of >> suburbia in the 50's? >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Clay, you need to move East! On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:32 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > SWMBA has HOA that prohibits yard signs, among many other silly things. > She was forced to pull her sign promoting keeping enviro-weinies from > taking over the state. > > I was overwhelmed with the malign proliferation of virtue signaling > signage all over the routes of my morning constitutional in SEA. They love > their black/arab/gay/trans/pedo/jihadi neighbors, have no hate in their > homes, assorted rainbow tinted blather verbiage, antifa, speeding, kids, > rainwise gardens, city endorsed group speak, and a plethora of other > political or virtue professing garbage. The craftsperson placards were not > as obnoxious. > > Seattle seems the town of the tesla, boxy people kennel sporting solar > panels, astro turf grounds with a virtue sign or three in the yard and a > “free Library” fixture every four homes along a street. > > > clay. > > > > > On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I guess because this is a residential neighborhood, and the line on signs > > has to be drawn somewhere. If signs on vehicles are allowed, then you'll > > need to impose more rules to limit them so as to prevent driving > > billboards. Avoid the whole mess, just say "no signs". I guess our > rules > > are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of perfect suburbia... > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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SWMBA has HOA that prohibits yard signs, among many other silly things. She was forced to pull her sign promoting keeping enviro-weinies from taking over the state. I was overwhelmed with the malign proliferation of virtue signaling signage all over the routes of my morning constitutional in SEA. They love their black/arab/gay/trans/pedo/jihadi neighbors, have no hate in their homes, assorted rainbow tinted blather verbiage, antifa, speeding, kids, rainwise gardens, city endorsed group speak, and a plethora of other political or virtue professing garbage. The craftsperson placards were not as obnoxious. Seattle seems the town of the tesla, boxy people kennel sporting solar panels, astro turf grounds with a virtue sign or three in the yard and a “free Library” fixture every four homes along a street. clay. > On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I guess because this is a residential neighborhood, and the line on signs > has to be drawn somewhere. If signs on vehicles are allowed, then you'll > need to impose more rules to limit them so as to prevent driving > billboards. Avoid the whole mess, just say "no signs". I guess our rules > are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of perfect suburbia... > - > Max > Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Having lived at an earlier time when ALL men wore hats, and removed them at the door, I offer this observation of modern culture. At the earlier time, every place you went into had hat racks, so you could "park your hat" while doing business. Segway forward to modern era, and look for a place to "hang your hat" they don't exist. Further, dining tables are now very landscape challenged. There is no place to lay your hat and eat a meal. Thus, I posit the culture adapted to the conditions imposed and shifted to keeping your hat parked on your head... hair or not. Living in Arizona, where we have 363 days each year of full sun, I always wear a palm leaf wide brim hat [the only good ones are hand made in Guatemala] . I own several, all the same, and I wear one even if I go to the mail box even though I have a full head of hair. In fact, gave one to my dermatologist, which he loves. The hats take up a lot of landscape [20 inches brim to brim], if you try to park them in a restaurant, so I always eat with my hat on... Unless there is a hat check valet...;)) On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:01 AM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > No, hair loss causes wearing a hat. Mostly due to the cooking of the brain > in direct sun and skin cancers that have to be frozen off. > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:56 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Maybe wearing a hat causes hair loss? > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:20 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > I have coffee with a group of old fellows pretty much daily. The > fellows > > > wearing hats are all balding. There are a couple bald ones without hats > > > but none of the fellows with a full head of hair wear hats. Maybe just > a > > > case of them protecting their bald heads when outdoors and carried over > > > into the McDonald's but still sort of interesting that the people with > > > hair do not wear hats. > > > > > > On 09/07/2019 9:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > > > Hair is GREATLY overrated! No need to hide or apologize for not > having > > > > much/any. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:19 PM tyee165 via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> They are hiding the fact that they are bald. > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:54:32 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Maybe wearing a hat causes hair loss? Correlation is not causation. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, hair loss causes wearing a hat. Mostly due to the cooking of the brain in direct sun and skin cancers that have to be frozen off. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:56 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Maybe wearing a hat causes hair loss? > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:20 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I have coffee with a group of old fellows pretty much daily. The fellows > > wearing hats are all balding. There are a couple bald ones without hats > > but none of the fellows with a full head of hair wear hats. Maybe just a > > case of them protecting their bald heads when outdoors and carried over > > into the McDonald's but still sort of interesting that the people with > > hair do not wear hats. > > > > On 09/07/2019 9:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > > Hair is GREATLY overrated! No need to hide or apologize for not having > > > much/any. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:19 PM tyee165 via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> They are hiding the fact that they are bald. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe wearing a hat causes hair loss? - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 11:20 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I have coffee with a group of old fellows pretty much daily. The fellows > wearing hats are all balding. There are a couple bald ones without hats > but none of the fellows with a full head of hair wear hats. Maybe just a > case of them protecting their bald heads when outdoors and carried over > into the McDonald's but still sort of interesting that the people with > hair do not wear hats. > > On 09/07/2019 9:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > Hair is GREATLY overrated! No need to hide or apologize for not having > > much/any. > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:19 PM tyee165 via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > > >> They are hiding the fact that they are bald. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The handsome gents among us need a bit of extra assistance --FT On 7/10/19 11:19 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I have coffee with a group of old fellows pretty much daily. The fellows wearing hats are all balding. There are a couple bald ones without hats but none of the fellows with a full head of hair wear hats. Maybe just a case of them protecting their bald heads when outdoors and carried over into the McDonald's but still sort of interesting that the people with hair do not wear hats. On 09/07/2019 9:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Hair is GREATLY overrated! No need to hide or apologize for not having much/any. On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:19 PM tyee165 via Mercedes wrote: They are hiding the fact that they are bald. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have coffee with a group of old fellows pretty much daily. The fellows wearing hats are all balding. There are a couple bald ones without hats but none of the fellows with a full head of hair wear hats. Maybe just a case of them protecting their bald heads when outdoors and carried over into the McDonald's but still sort of interesting that the people with hair do not wear hats. On 09/07/2019 9:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Hair is GREATLY overrated! No need to hide or apologize for not having much/any. On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:19 PM tyee165 via Mercedes wrote: They are hiding the fact that they are bald. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He can still talk. But the words should be Hosay, can you see or Thus be it e'er. Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 7/9/19 9:56 PM: On July 9, 2019 at 6:56 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I agree. Much like I’ve seen people wear hats during the national anthem at sporting events. My dad still chews me out if I wear a hat to lunch. I still chew him out if he talks during the national anthem (he's the one who was in the military, I wasn't). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Of course, with white gloves and pillbox hats. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 7/9/19 3:32 PM: On 09/07/2019 3:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I guess because this is a residential neighborhood, and the line on signs has to be drawn somewhere. If signs on vehicles are allowed, then you'll need to impose more rules to limit them so as to prevent driving billboards. Avoid the whole mess, just say "no signs". I guess our rules are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of perfect suburbia... - Max Charleston SC Are the ladies all required to wear dresses just like the photos of suburbia in the 50's? _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The house is owned by grandma/grandpa the cars were owned by her (not his) idiot son. Somehow he didn't realize it was me calling the po-po, he and I are relatively friendly.After the cars were removed he was expressing his distress or really his distain for the police to me. I casually mentioned that when I interact with the police they call me sir and ask if I could help them with something. They call him "asshole" and tell him to "get on the ground". I expressed that he might want to ponder that disparity.This year the remaining junk cars have disappeared on their own with no prompting from me. I saw the son a couple weeks ago after not seeing him all winter, he was working at a job, for wages and wearing clean clothes both of which were extremely unusual before. It's probably a stretch to think I caused that but it'd be nice to think that maybe I had some positive influence... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 7:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > On July 9, 2019 at 3:04 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > We used the excuse of no plates to get cars removed across the street from >us, made the town do it. Johnny Law was fairly nice the first time, polite the >second time and downright surly the third time. The fourth call resulted in >cars (plural) being removed at the owner's expense. Does that describe their attitude towards you or towards the neighbor's offspring? Did the neighbor die, or is she still nominally in charge over there? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On July 9, 2019 at 6:56 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I agree. Much like I’ve seen people wear hats during the national anthem at > sporting events. My dad still chews me out if I wear a hat to lunch. I still chew him out if he talks during the national anthem (he's the one who was in the military, I wasn't). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 21:37:52 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Hair is GREATLY overrated! No need to hide or apologize for not having > much/any. How does that old saw go? "The Lord made a few good heads; the rest He covered with hair." Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On July 9, 2019 at 3:04 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > We used the excuse of no plates to get cars removed across the street from > us, made the town do it. Johnny Law was fairly nice the first time, polite > the second time and downright surly the third time. The fourth call resulted > in cars (plural) being removed at the owner's expense. Does that describe their attitude towards you or towards the neighbor's offspring? Did the neighbor die, or is she still nominally in charge over there? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hair is GREATLY overrated! No need to hide or apologize for not having much/any. On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:19 PM tyee165 via Mercedes wrote: > They are hiding the fact that they are bald.Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A > Original message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2019-07-09 5:27 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Max > Dillon via Mercedes Cc: Curt Raymond < > curtlud...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina I don't get > the guys that won't take off their danged ball cap whereever they go. I > often want to ask older gentlemen who I think should know better "would > your father have worn his cap inside a restaurant?"-CurtOn Tuesday, > July 9, 2019, 5:51:48 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:On 09/07/2019 4:13 PM, Max Dillon via > Mercedes wrote:> What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat > of course.Well, if you look at old photos of parades etc, you see people > appear to have made an effort to look good. We have become a society of > slobs.I find it hard to believe that people (mostly young ladies) will pay > big dollars for jeans full of holes. We were at my son's house on Saturday > night and one of his friends came by along with his girlfriend. Her jeans > were so full of holes that I later commented to my wife that she needed to > either cut them off to make them into shorts or toss them out. They looked > like they might catch on something and trip her when she walked. My wife > said they were likely that way when she bought them and they would have > been expensive.She was a pretty girl but I think that if she wants to show > off her legs, she would look better in a skirt or shorts than in what to > me, appeared to be rags.___ > http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options > go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search > list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change > delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They are hiding the fact that they are bald.Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes Date: 2019-07-09 5:27 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Max Dillon via Mercedes Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina I don't get the guys that won't take off their danged ball cap whereever they go. I often want to ask older gentlemen who I think should know better "would your father have worn his cap inside a restaurant?"-Curt On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 5:51:48 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 09/07/2019 4:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:> What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course.Well, if you look at old photos of parades etc, you see people appear to have made an effort to look good. We have become a society of slobs.I find it hard to believe that people (mostly young ladies) will pay big dollars for jeans full of holes. We were at my son's house on Saturday night and one of his friends came by along with his girlfriend. Her jeans were so full of holes that I later commented to my wife that she needed to either cut them off to make them into shorts or toss them out. They looked like they might catch on something and trip her when she walked. My wife said they were likely that way when she bought them and they would have been expensive.She was a pretty girl but I think that if she wants to show off her legs, she would look better in a skirt or shorts than in what to me, appeared to be rags.___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Half a century ago, I was wearing out a single of "Pleasant Valley Sunday", playing it over and over again along with "Yesterday and Today" and "Yellow Submarine"... -MMM- On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 6:07 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >I guess our rules are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of > perfect suburbia... > > https://youtu.be/bPyt5HoIRvc > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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>I guess our rules are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of >perfect suburbia... https://youtu.be/bPyt5HoIRvc Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We are sometimes at the theme park in Branson at opening and they do the national anthem and pledge, it is amazing the number of people who just stand there looking stupid with their hats or and/or not saluting or hand on heart while it’s going on. Sickening actually. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I agree. Much like I’ve seen people wear hats during the national anthem at > sporting events. > > We grew up in a different time, I guess. > > -D > > > >> On Jul 9, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I don't get the guys that won't take off their danged ball cap whereever >> they go. I often want to ask older gentlemen who I think should know better >> "would your father have worn his cap inside a restaurant?" >> -Curt >> >> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 5:51:48 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> On 09/07/2019 4:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >>> What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course. >> >> Well, if you look at old photos of parades etc, you see people appear to >> have made an effort to look good. We have become a society of slobs. >> >> I find it hard to believe that people (mostly young ladies) will pay big >> dollars for jeans full of holes. We were at my son's house on Saturday >> night and one of his friends came by along with his girlfriend. Her >> jeans were so full of holes that I later commented to my wife that she >> needed to either cut them off to make them into shorts or toss them out. >> They looked like they might catch on something and trip her when she >> walked. My wife said they were likely that way when she bought them and >> they would have been expensive. >> >> She was a pretty girl but I think that if she wants to show off her >> legs, she would look better in a skirt or shorts than in what to me, >> appeared to be rags. >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree. Much like I’ve seen people wear hats during the national anthem at sporting events. We grew up in a different time, I guess. -D On Jul 9, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > I don't get the guys that won't take off their danged ball cap whereever they > go. I often want to ask older gentlemen who I think should know better "would > your father have worn his cap inside a restaurant?" > -Curt > >On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 5:51:48 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 09/07/2019 4:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >> What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course. > > Well, if you look at old photos of parades etc, you see people appear to > have made an effort to look good. We have become a society of slobs. > > I find it hard to believe that people (mostly young ladies) will pay big > dollars for jeans full of holes. We were at my son's house on Saturday > night and one of his friends came by along with his girlfriend. Her > jeans were so full of holes that I later commented to my wife that she > needed to either cut them off to make them into shorts or toss them out. > They looked like they might catch on something and trip her when she > walked. My wife said they were likely that way when she bought them and > they would have been expensive. > > She was a pretty girl but I think that if she wants to show off her > legs, she would look better in a skirt or shorts than in what to me, > appeared to be rags. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't get the guys that won't take off their danged ball cap whereever they go. I often want to ask older gentlemen who I think should know better "would your father have worn his cap inside a restaurant?" -Curt On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 5:51:48 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 09/07/2019 4:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course. Well, if you look at old photos of parades etc, you see people appear to have made an effort to look good. We have become a society of slobs. I find it hard to believe that people (mostly young ladies) will pay big dollars for jeans full of holes. We were at my son's house on Saturday night and one of his friends came by along with his girlfriend. Her jeans were so full of holes that I later commented to my wife that she needed to either cut them off to make them into shorts or toss them out. They looked like they might catch on something and trip her when she walked. My wife said they were likely that way when she bought them and they would have been expensive. She was a pretty girl but I think that if she wants to show off her legs, she would look better in a skirt or shorts than in what to me, appeared to be rags. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Welcome to Stepford... If _I_ were required to wear a hat, I might be tempted to find something Carmen Miranda-ish. (Mind you, I often wear a fedora. If it's _my_ choice, that is.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And hats... On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 4:33:42 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 09/07/2019 3:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > I guess because this is a residential neighborhood, and the line on signs > has to be drawn somewhere. If signs on vehicles are allowed, then you'll > need to impose more rules to limit them so as to prevent driving > billboards. Avoid the whole mess, just say "no signs". I guess our rules > are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of perfect suburbia... > - > Max > Charleston SC > Are the ladies all required to wear dresses just like the photos of suburbia in the 50's? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> > Curt wrote: > > > > People's attitude toward the trades changes DRAMATICALLY when > > the toilet won't flush... -Curt > Craig wrote: > > And many other problems, too. [photo of OOIDA (Owner Operator Independent Drivers Association) poster] https://www.ooida.com/ Ahh - but that is referring to a truck, not a pickup or a van. *smiles* But the point is valid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 09/07/2019 4:13 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course. Well, if you look at old photos of parades etc, you see people appear to have made an effort to look good. We have become a society of slobs. I find it hard to believe that people (mostly young ladies) will pay big dollars for jeans full of holes. We were at my son's house on Saturday night and one of his friends came by along with his girlfriend. Her jeans were so full of holes that I later commented to my wife that she needed to either cut them off to make them into shorts or toss them out. They looked like they might catch on something and trip her when she walked. My wife said they were likely that way when she bought them and they would have been expensive. She was a pretty girl but I think that if she wants to show off her legs, she would look better in a skirt or shorts than in what to me, appeared to be rags. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would have to agree with this. I can’t see where there’s any effort to limit residents to a particular discipline, it’s just that commercial vehicles can be grungy and look sort of rough in some cases. A lot of them are rather, well, loud as far as graphics, too, so it’s like a giant billboard parked in someone’s driveway. I don’t want to see this. Our original covenants/community standards were written by some attorney back in the late 1990s. It’s funny, as they apparently wrote them for nearly every major development in the area at the time, as our property manager looked them over and said, “Oh, so and so wrote these.” From what they said this guy’s firm was the main legal beagle for all the developers in the area. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread (Curt?) there are a lot of things that are violations of County “community standards”, so whenever possible we engage the local Code Enforcement officer to deal with these. It’s far more effective and quicker, too. Last week a resident parked a 27 foot powerboat on a trailer in front of their house on the street. This thing was a monster, so long it blocked nearly the whole front of their lot and also took the street down to one lane. It was there for more than a day, so I put in a ticket with the County for a code violation (not allowed by County ordinances - 24 hours, max.) Code enforcement was there the next morning and decided they would get the Sheriff to write the owner a ticket, as I provided a time stamped photo showing the boat had been there for going on two days. Got an email from the Code Enforcement officer around 11:00 am that morning saying he had a sheriff write the owner a ticket. If they didn’t move it within 24 hours it would be towed and impounded. When I came home around 3:30 it was gone. -D > On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I guess because this is a residential neighborhood, and the line on signs > has to be drawn somewhere. If signs on vehicles are allowed, then you'll > need to impose more rules to limit them so as to prevent driving > billboards. Avoid the whole mess, just say "no signs". I guess our rules > are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of perfect suburbia... > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:17 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> The commercial vehicle thing I find odd. Is it "no free advertising" or >> "we don't want to admit a plumber might live here"? >> -Curt >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What a great idea! Men should were suits, and a nice hat of course. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On July 9, 2019 4:32:52 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >Are the ladies all required to wear dresses just like the photos of >suburbia in the 50's? > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 09/07/2019 3:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I guess because this is a residential neighborhood, and the line on signs has to be drawn somewhere. If signs on vehicles are allowed, then you'll need to impose more rules to limit them so as to prevent driving billboards. Avoid the whole mess, just say "no signs". I guess our rules are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of perfect suburbia... - Max Charleston SC Are the ladies all required to wear dresses just like the photos of suburbia in the 50's? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I was a lad there was a town nearby where a guy wanted to have some farm animals, like horses and cows and pigs. IIRC he didn't want many, just one or two of each. This was a pretty rural place and he had a big property, several acres so it wouldn't be too weird.The town said no because "reasons". So he went and got some junk cars, they may even have already been through the crusher. He painted "pig" on one, "cow" on another, "horse" on a third. Apparently there was no bylaw against that... -Curt On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 4:06:06 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I guess because this is a residential neighborhood, and the line on signs has to be drawn somewhere. If signs on vehicles are allowed, then you'll need to impose more rules to limit them so as to prevent driving billboards. Avoid the whole mess, just say "no signs". I guess our rules are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of perfect suburbia... - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:17 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The commercial vehicle thing I find odd. Is it "no free advertising" or > "we don't want to admit a plumber might live here"? > -Curt > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I guess because this is a residential neighborhood, and the line on signs has to be drawn somewhere. If signs on vehicles are allowed, then you'll need to impose more rules to limit them so as to prevent driving billboards. Avoid the whole mess, just say "no signs". I guess our rules are intended to make sure the look and feel is one of perfect suburbia... - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:17 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The commercial vehicle thing I find odd. Is it "no free advertising" or > "we don't want to admit a plumber might live here"? > -Curt > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Plumbers and electricians can now afford to live in fancy neighborhoods but they know better On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > People's attitude toward the trades changes DRAMATICALLY when the toilet > won't flush... > -Curt > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 3:19:14 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > On 09/07/2019 2:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > The commercial vehicle thing I find odd. Is it "no free advertising" or > "we don't want to admit a plumber might live here"? > > -Curt > > > > > Unless we have a plumbing problem and the nice plumber neighbour comes > over and fixes it for free . . . > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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People's attitude toward the trades changes DRAMATICALLY when the toilet won't flush... -Curt On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 3:19:14 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 09/07/2019 2:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > The commercial vehicle thing I find odd. Is it "no free advertising" or "we >don't want to admit a plumber might live here"? > -Curt > > Unless we have a plumbing problem and the nice plumber neighbour comes over and fixes it for free . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 09/07/2019 2:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: The commercial vehicle thing I find odd. Is it "no free advertising" or "we don't want to admit a plumber might live here"? -Curt Unless we have a plumbing problem and the nice plumber neighbour comes over and fixes it for free . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The commercial vehicle thing I find odd. Is it "no free advertising" or "we don't want to admit a plumber might live here"? -Curt On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 9:13:35 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: This sounds a lot like our neighborhood/HOA. We’ve recommended the magnetic sign approach to a couple of people who challenged the work truck thing, and one of them went that route. We try to work with property owners to come up with a suitable resolution for everyone. That’s the thing - we aren’t the slightest bit adversarial unless you end up being a d*ck about things, like our resident who openly flouted our “no boats or RVs for more than 24 hours” rule. They constantly ignored this, and simply ignored the HOA when we called them on it. Over two years later they ended up paying our legal bills of $6500 and agreeing to never break the rules again (or they would be sanctioned immediately). They had hired an attorney as well, so their costs had to be higher than that, we suspect. The running joke is, “How much does it cost to be “most right”?” $6500.00 -D > On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > The only thing close to that for my neighborhood is a restriction on > commercial signs. One cannot advertise their business at their home using > a visible sign. One example of that would be a truck or car with your > business info affixed to the car, and that is easily addressed by parking > your car inside your garage at night, or getting magnetic signs that you > take off once you park for the night. The flipside of that is we have a > monthly newsletter and a neighborhood website, and business owners are free > to advertise to their hearts content (free on the HOA website, for a small > fee in the newsletter). > > We also have a restriction on parking boats and campers and RVs in the > drive, but there is a loophole: Temporary parking is allowed, but > overnight parking is prohibited. However, the definition of overnight is > defined by "before and after midnight" so if a neighbor want's to report > another neighbor, they have to stay up until midnight and take pix or a > video or something to prove the violation. This results in a letter (not > even a strongly worded letter). > > Most of the rules are about keeping your house and yard appearance up, not > putting trash out until trash pick-up day, gotta pay your dues before you > get access to the pool and clubhouse, not making changes to your house > (additions, changing the paint color, etc) or major landscaping changes > without approval in advance. We just put on a new shingle roof, and went > from black shingles to a very light grey (Energy star) so I put in a > package to the ARB and then went to the meeting to explain my choice. I > think they gave me about 30 seconds before the first question interrupted > me, and that was "how much was your quote?" followed by "yeah that's a fair > price" and then they voted to approve it. > > Almost every single house in town is under an HOA, so if you want to live > in town, there's not much choice about it. It does add another calculation > - one must check the HOA finances to see if they are financially sound and > you can expect the dues to be reasonably stable, or do they have unfunded > liabilities and the next time something out of ordinary happens they levy a > special fee on top of the regular dues. Our board went to great pains to > identify all the HOA property and liabilities and build a plan for > replacing things at a typical lifecyle, and then paid an accounting firm > for a really big audit to check their work. I think they paid $30k for the > audit, found a few issues, and then increased dues just a bit to cover > those issues over a few years. Pool deck and furniture was just replaced > last winter, all covered. Tennis court complete teardown and rebuild > underway now, no increase in dues required. > > We have one neighbor between our neighborhood and the next, single home on > a really nice creek-front lot that is probably five or ten acres, which he > purchased before the land was inside the town boundary line. He's kept his > property out of the town and out of any HOA, so his only immediate higher > authority is the County. A very rare situation, and I'm sure he's not > selling anytime soon, and the place is surely worth a couple million or > more. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
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We used the excuse of no plates to get cars removed across the street from us, made the town do it. Johnny Law was fairly nice the first time, polite the second time and downright surly the third time. The fourth call resulted in cars (plural) being removed at the owner's expense. -Curt On Monday, July 8, 2019, 7:39:55 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I wouldn’t classify that as damage. Damn, that’s a tough HOA. Worse thing we do is bust people for non-operable/non-registered cars, and that’s only of they’re crappy looking or have obvious issues like flat tires. There’s a house up near one of the entrances to our neighborhood that has a Mustang in the driveway that’s clearly not moved for at least a year. No plate, but otherwise to the average observer it would just look like a car parked in someone’e driveway. I suggested that they back the car in so the lack of a license plate isn’t visible. They haven’t, so if someone gets their nose out of joint or they piss off a neighbor the HOA won’t have a choice but to cite them. -D > On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Let's assume your HOA covenants ban possession of motor vehicles with > 'moderately severe body damage'. > > Questions: > 1. Is that phrase too vague to be enforceable? > 2. If it's enforceable, is it considered an adhesive contract that must be > interpreted to favor the accused homeowner to any extent in which it is > considered vague? > > Now let's assume that one of your vehicles has an original 1965 paint job, > and might be described as 'patina', or as 'moderately severe paint damage', > but it's a straight rustfree example with zero body damage. > And let's say your HOA has sued you for $3k in violation fees and asked the > court for permission to foreclose on your home... > > How many of us have old MBZ with clearcoat leprosy? > Is that a danger if you have a HOA? > > https://www.thedrive.com/news/27914/missouri-mans-hoa-overlords-say-vintage-1965-ford-f-250-pickup-truck-must-go-or-lose-his-home > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It never ceases to amaze and annoy me how much people want to control the behavior and actions of others. On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Never buy a place with a HOA, unless you are in a wheelchair and on the > gummit dole. > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 7/8/19 6:09 PM: > > Let's assume your HOA covenants ban possession of motor vehicles with > 'moderately severe body damage'. > > > > Questions: > > 1. Is that phrase too vague to be enforceable? > > 2. If it's enforceable, is it considered an adhesive contract that must > be interpreted to favor the accused homeowner to any extent in which it is > considered vague? > > > > Now let's assume that one of your vehicles has an original 1965 paint > job, and might be described as 'patina', or as 'moderately severe paint > damage', but it's a straight rustfree example with zero body damage. > > And let's say your HOA has sued you for $3k in violation fees and asked > the court for permission to foreclose on your home... > > > > How many of us have old MBZ with clearcoat leprosy? > > Is that a danger if you have a HOA? > > > > > https://www.thedrive.com/news/27914/missouri-mans-hoa-overlords-say-vintage-1965-ford-f-250-pickup-truck-must-go-or-lose-his-home > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On July 9, 2019 at 12:57 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I'd argue a peekup is not a truck, but a passenger veeehickle. According to that kid's HOA, and his state DMV, an Equinox is a truck. And that's where his strategy was flawed. When the friendly HOA trustee agreed to put the rule change up to a vote, he should have made complaints against every woman in the community who'd rather drive a passenger truck than a station wagon, which was probably 90% of the wives there. That's how you get 70% supermajority support for getting rid of an archaic rule. (the vote was something like 85 for and 52 against, when he needed 133 votes for). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd argue a peekup is not a truck, but a passenger veeehickle. Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 7/8/19 6:53 PM: Non-operable, flat tires etc is what the truck owner thinks he has a HOA to get rid of. Here's another truck story, coincidentally a 1965 Ford, new paint, his parents get the garage, kid's collector truck sits outside. HOA trustee likes the truck, but it draws neighbor complaints. Rule states: no trucks, commercial vehicles, motorcycles etc may be parked outside for more than 4 nights per year. https://youtu.be/tZWSiIBsSRI?t=100 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Never buy a place with a HOA, unless you are in a wheelchair and on the gummit dole. Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 7/8/19 6:09 PM: Let's assume your HOA covenants ban possession of motor vehicles with 'moderately severe body damage'. Questions: 1. Is that phrase too vague to be enforceable? 2. If it's enforceable, is it considered an adhesive contract that must be interpreted to favor the accused homeowner to any extent in which it is considered vague? Now let's assume that one of your vehicles has an original 1965 paint job, and might be described as 'patina', or as 'moderately severe paint damage', but it's a straight rustfree example with zero body damage. And let's say your HOA has sued you for $3k in violation fees and asked the court for permission to foreclose on your home... How many of us have old MBZ with clearcoat leprosy? Is that a danger if you have a HOA? https://www.thedrive.com/news/27914/missouri-mans-hoa-overlords-say-vintage-1965-ford-f-250-pickup-truck-must-go-or-lose-his-home ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This sounds a lot like our neighborhood/HOA. We’ve recommended the magnetic sign approach to a couple of people who challenged the work truck thing, and one of them went that route. We try to work with property owners to come up with a suitable resolution for everyone. That’s the thing - we aren’t the slightest bit adversarial unless you end up being a d*ck about things, like our resident who openly flouted our “no boats or RVs for more than 24 hours” rule. They constantly ignored this, and simply ignored the HOA when we called them on it. Over two years later they ended up paying our legal bills of $6500 and agreeing to never break the rules again (or they would be sanctioned immediately). They had hired an attorney as well, so their costs had to be higher than that, we suspect. The running joke is, “How much does it cost to be “most right”?” $6500.00 -D > On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > The only thing close to that for my neighborhood is a restriction on > commercial signs. One cannot advertise their business at their home using > a visible sign. One example of that would be a truck or car with your > business info affixed to the car, and that is easily addressed by parking > your car inside your garage at night, or getting magnetic signs that you > take off once you park for the night. The flipside of that is we have a > monthly newsletter and a neighborhood website, and business owners are free > to advertise to their hearts content (free on the HOA website, for a small > fee in the newsletter). > > We also have a restriction on parking boats and campers and RVs in the > drive, but there is a loophole: Temporary parking is allowed, but > overnight parking is prohibited. However, the definition of overnight is > defined by "before and after midnight" so if a neighbor want's to report > another neighbor, they have to stay up until midnight and take pix or a > video or something to prove the violation. This results in a letter (not > even a strongly worded letter). > > Most of the rules are about keeping your house and yard appearance up, not > putting trash out until trash pick-up day, gotta pay your dues before you > get access to the pool and clubhouse, not making changes to your house > (additions, changing the paint color, etc) or major landscaping changes > without approval in advance. We just put on a new shingle roof, and went > from black shingles to a very light grey (Energy star) so I put in a > package to the ARB and then went to the meeting to explain my choice. I > think they gave me about 30 seconds before the first question interrupted > me, and that was "how much was your quote?" followed by "yeah that's a fair > price" and then they voted to approve it. > > Almost every single house in town is under an HOA, so if you want to live > in town, there's not much choice about it. It does add another calculation > - one must check the HOA finances to see if they are financially sound and > you can expect the dues to be reasonably stable, or do they have unfunded > liabilities and the next time something out of ordinary happens they levy a > special fee on top of the regular dues. Our board went to great pains to > identify all the HOA property and liabilities and build a plan for > replacing things at a typical lifecyle, and then paid an accounting firm > for a really big audit to check their work. I think they paid $30k for the > audit, found a few issues, and then increased dues just a bit to cover > those issues over a few years. Pool deck and furniture was just replaced > last winter, all covered. Tennis court complete teardown and rebuild > underway now, no increase in dues required. > > We have one neighbor between our neighborhood and the next, single home on > a really nice creek-front lot that is probably five or ten acres, which he > purchased before the land was inside the town boundary line. He's kept his > property out of the town and out of any HOA, so his only immediate higher > authority is the County. A very rare situation, and I'm sure he's not > selling anytime soon, and the place is surely worth a couple million or > more. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would put a bullet in my head --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > The only thing close to that for my neighborhood is a restriction on > commercial signs. One cannot advertise their business at their home using > a visible sign. One example of that would be a truck or car with your > business info affixed to the car, and that is easily addressed by parking > your car inside your garage at night, or getting magnetic signs that you > take off once you park for the night. The flipside of that is we have a > monthly newsletter and a neighborhood website, and business owners are free > to advertise to their hearts content (free on the HOA website, for a small > fee in the newsletter). > > We also have a restriction on parking boats and campers and RVs in the > drive, but there is a loophole: Temporary parking is allowed, but > overnight parking is prohibited. However, the definition of overnight is > defined by "before and after midnight" so if a neighbor want's to report > another neighbor, they have to stay up until midnight and take pix or a > video or something to prove the violation. This results in a letter (not > even a strongly worded letter). > > Most of the rules are about keeping your house and yard appearance up, not > putting trash out until trash pick-up day, gotta pay your dues before you > get access to the pool and clubhouse, not making changes to your house > (additions, changing the paint color, etc) or major landscaping changes > without approval in advance. We just put on a new shingle roof, and went > from black shingles to a very light grey (Energy star) so I put in a > package to the ARB and then went to the meeting to explain my choice. I > think they gave me about 30 seconds before the first question interrupted > me, and that was "how much was your quote?" followed by "yeah that's a fair > price" and then they voted to approve it. > > Almost every single house in town is under an HOA, so if you want to live > in town, there's not much choice about it. It does add another calculation > - one must check the HOA finances to see if they are financially sound and > you can expect the dues to be reasonably stable, or do they have unfunded > liabilities and the next time something out of ordinary happens they levy a > special fee on top of the regular dues. Our board went to great pains to > identify all the HOA property and liabilities and build a plan for > replacing things at a typical lifecyle, and then paid an accounting firm > for a really big audit to check their work. I think they paid $30k for the > audit, found a few issues, and then increased dues just a bit to cover > those issues over a few years. Pool deck and furniture was just replaced > last winter, all covered. Tennis court complete teardown and rebuild > underway now, no increase in dues required. > > We have one neighbor between our neighborhood and the next, single home on > a really nice creek-front lot that is probably five or ten acres, which he > purchased before the land was inside the town boundary line. He's kept his > property out of the town and out of any HOA, so his only immediate higher > authority is the County. A very rare situation, and I'm sure he's not > selling anytime soon, and the place is surely worth a couple million or > more. > - > Max > Charleston SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On July 9, 2019 at 8:37 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > It does add another calculation > - one must check the HOA finances to see if they are financially sound and > you can expect the dues to be reasonably stable, What's fun is when some people launch a full on jihad against a guy who's technically obeying the rules, the HOA management spends $200k suing him, he spends $100k defending himself, and suddenly 50 households are getting billed $6k each for attorney fees when he wins in court. Worst case scenario, I can see that happening with Mr PatinaTruck. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The only thing close to that for my neighborhood is a restriction on commercial signs. One cannot advertise their business at their home using a visible sign. One example of that would be a truck or car with your business info affixed to the car, and that is easily addressed by parking your car inside your garage at night, or getting magnetic signs that you take off once you park for the night. The flipside of that is we have a monthly newsletter and a neighborhood website, and business owners are free to advertise to their hearts content (free on the HOA website, for a small fee in the newsletter). We also have a restriction on parking boats and campers and RVs in the drive, but there is a loophole: Temporary parking is allowed, but overnight parking is prohibited. However, the definition of overnight is defined by "before and after midnight" so if a neighbor want's to report another neighbor, they have to stay up until midnight and take pix or a video or something to prove the violation. This results in a letter (not even a strongly worded letter). Most of the rules are about keeping your house and yard appearance up, not putting trash out until trash pick-up day, gotta pay your dues before you get access to the pool and clubhouse, not making changes to your house (additions, changing the paint color, etc) or major landscaping changes without approval in advance. We just put on a new shingle roof, and went from black shingles to a very light grey (Energy star) so I put in a package to the ARB and then went to the meeting to explain my choice. I think they gave me about 30 seconds before the first question interrupted me, and that was "how much was your quote?" followed by "yeah that's a fair price" and then they voted to approve it. Almost every single house in town is under an HOA, so if you want to live in town, there's not much choice about it. It does add another calculation - one must check the HOA finances to see if they are financially sound and you can expect the dues to be reasonably stable, or do they have unfunded liabilities and the next time something out of ordinary happens they levy a special fee on top of the regular dues. Our board went to great pains to identify all the HOA property and liabilities and build a plan for replacing things at a typical lifecyle, and then paid an accounting firm for a really big audit to check their work. I think they paid $30k for the audit, found a few issues, and then increased dues just a bit to cover those issues over a few years. Pool deck and furniture was just replaced last winter, all covered. Tennis court complete teardown and rebuild underway now, no increase in dues required. We have one neighbor between our neighborhood and the next, single home on a really nice creek-front lot that is probably five or ten acres, which he purchased before the land was inside the town boundary line. He's kept his property out of the town and out of any HOA, so his only immediate higher authority is the County. A very rare situation, and I'm sure he's not selling anytime soon, and the place is surely worth a couple million or more. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Exactly Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2019, at 4:12 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > In my opinion, a neighborhood and the quality and class of its people finds > it own equilibrium and can’t and shouldn’t be forced by haughty and elitist > restrictions such as no trucks, no motorcycles, etc. There are plenty of > towns and neighborhoods with multi-million dollar homes and no such elitist > jibberish exists. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 8, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, we do have a restriction on commercial trucks - not allowed in your >> driveway overnight. You have a business? Park your truck someplace else. >> >> Sorry. >> >> I know of some communities around here that don’t allow trucks in the >> driveway, period, but they’re usually pretty high end properties. Heck, the >> neighborhood where Tony Dungee (former Buccaneers coach) lived they didn’t >> allow motorcycles. At all. If you owned bikes you had to trailer them in and >> out of the community. >> >> Understand that these were $1M+ homes, too. >> >> -D >> >> >>> On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> On July 8, 2019 at 7:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I wouldn’t classify that as damage. Damn, that’s a tough HOA. Worse thing we do is bust people for non-operable/non-registered cars, and that’s only of they’re crappy looking or have obvious issues like flat tires. >>> >>> Non-operable, flat tires etc is what the truck owner thinks he has a HOA to >>> get rid of. >>> >>> Here's another truck story, coincidentally a 1965 Ford, new paint, his >>> parents get the garage, kid's collector truck sits outside. HOA trustee >>> likes the truck, but it draws neighbor complaints. Rule states: no trucks, >>> commercial vehicles, motorcycles etc may be parked outside for more than 4 >>> nights per year. >>> https://youtu.be/tZWSiIBsSRI?t=100 >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In my opinion, a neighborhood and the quality and class of its people finds it own equilibrium and can’t and shouldn’t be forced by haughty and elitist restrictions such as no trucks, no motorcycles, etc. There are plenty of towns and neighborhoods with multi-million dollar homes and no such elitist jibberish exists. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah, we do have a restriction on commercial trucks - not allowed in your > driveway overnight. You have a business? Park your truck someplace else. > > Sorry. > > I know of some communities around here that don’t allow trucks in the > driveway, period, but they’re usually pretty high end properties. Heck, the > neighborhood where Tony Dungee (former Buccaneers coach) lived they didn’t > allow motorcycles. At all. If you owned bikes you had to trailer them in and > out of the community. > > Understand that these were $1M+ homes, too. > > -D > > >> On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >>> On July 8, 2019 at 7:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I wouldn’t classify that as damage. >>> >>> Damn, that’s a tough HOA. Worse thing we do is bust people for >>> non-operable/non-registered cars, and that’s only of they’re crappy looking >>> or have obvious issues like flat tires. >> >> Non-operable, flat tires etc is what the truck owner thinks he has a HOA to >> get rid of. >> >> Here's another truck story, coincidentally a 1965 Ford, new paint, his >> parents get the garage, kid's collector truck sits outside. HOA trustee >> likes the truck, but it draws neighbor complaints. Rule states: no trucks, >> commercial vehicles, motorcycles etc may be parked outside for more than 4 >> nights per year. >> https://youtu.be/tZWSiIBsSRI?t=100 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Exactly! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > Why i will never live in a hood with a HOA. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 7:10 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Let's assume your HOA covenants ban possession of motor vehicles with >> 'moderately severe body damage'. >> >> Questions: >> 1. Is that phrase too vague to be enforceable? >> 2. If it's enforceable, is it considered an adhesive contract that must be >> interpreted to favor the accused homeowner to any extent in which it is >> considered vague? >> >> Now let's assume that one of your vehicles has an original 1965 paint job, >> and might be described as 'patina', or as 'moderately severe paint damage', >> but it's a straight rustfree example with zero body damage. >> And let's say your HOA has sued you for $3k in violation fees and asked >> the court for permission to foreclose on your home... >> >> How many of us have old MBZ with clearcoat leprosy? >> Is that a danger if you have a HOA? >> >> >> https://www.thedrive.com/news/27914/missouri-mans-hoa-overlords-say-vintage-1965-ford-f-250-pickup-truck-must-go-or-lose-his-home >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, we’re a “nice” board. Pretty laid back and approachable. What’s bad is that because HOA and condo boards are horribly inconsistent, the legislature has gotten involved here. That means that we have to enforce by the book, by the rule, no exceptions. Conversely, if it’s not clearly specified in the community standards (covenants) we can’t deny it, unless it’s a zoning or conflict with County ordinances. It’s forced us to rewrite our community standards to go into great detail on damned near everything we can think of, since if we leave anything out it’s fair game and we can’t do squat about it. -D > On Jul 8, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Town where I live, almost every decent house is in an HOA. Our board is very > fair, maybe too soft. > > I need to buy another piece of land outside town, bare land, no HOA, to be > free. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Town where I live, almost every decent house is in an HOA. Our board is very fair, maybe too soft. I need to buy another piece of land outside town, bare land, no HOA, to be free. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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*cant Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: > > HOA is a cancer on society. I can fathom anybody buying a house with one > attached. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, we do have a restriction on commercial trucks - not allowed in your >> driveway overnight. You have a business? Park your truck someplace else. >> >> Sorry. >> >> I know of some communities around here that don’t allow trucks in the >> driveway, period, but they’re usually pretty high end properties. Heck, the >> neighborhood where Tony Dungee (former Buccaneers coach) lived they didn’t >> allow motorcycles. At all. If you owned bikes you had to trailer them in and >> out of the community. >> >> Understand that these were $1M+ homes, too. >> >> -D >> >> >>> On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> On July 8, 2019 at 7:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I wouldn’t classify that as damage. Damn, that’s a tough HOA. Worse thing we do is bust people for non-operable/non-registered cars, and that’s only of they’re crappy looking or have obvious issues like flat tires. >>> >>> Non-operable, flat tires etc is what the truck owner thinks he has a HOA to >>> get rid of. >>> >>> Here's another truck story, coincidentally a 1965 Ford, new paint, his >>> parents get the garage, kid's collector truck sits outside. HOA trustee >>> likes the truck, but it draws neighbor complaints. Rule states: no trucks, >>> commercial vehicles, motorcycles etc may be parked outside for more than 4 >>> nights per year. >>> https://youtu.be/tZWSiIBsSRI?t=100 >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HOA is a cancer on society. I can fathom anybody buying a house with one attached. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah, we do have a restriction on commercial trucks - not allowed in your > driveway overnight. You have a business? Park your truck someplace else. > > Sorry. > > I know of some communities around here that don’t allow trucks in the > driveway, period, but they’re usually pretty high end properties. Heck, the > neighborhood where Tony Dungee (former Buccaneers coach) lived they didn’t > allow motorcycles. At all. If you owned bikes you had to trailer them in and > out of the community. > > Understand that these were $1M+ homes, too. > > -D > > >> On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >>> On July 8, 2019 at 7:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I wouldn’t classify that as damage. >>> >>> Damn, that’s a tough HOA. Worse thing we do is bust people for >>> non-operable/non-registered cars, and that’s only of they’re crappy looking >>> or have obvious issues like flat tires. >> >> Non-operable, flat tires etc is what the truck owner thinks he has a HOA to >> get rid of. >> >> Here's another truck story, coincidentally a 1965 Ford, new paint, his >> parents get the garage, kid's collector truck sits outside. HOA trustee >> likes the truck, but it draws neighbor complaints. Rule states: no trucks, >> commercial vehicles, motorcycles etc may be parked outside for more than 4 >> nights per year. >> https://youtu.be/tZWSiIBsSRI?t=100 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, we do have a restriction on commercial trucks - not allowed in your driveway overnight. You have a business? Park your truck someplace else. Sorry. I know of some communities around here that don’t allow trucks in the driveway, period, but they’re usually pretty high end properties. Heck, the neighborhood where Tony Dungee (former Buccaneers coach) lived they didn’t allow motorcycles. At all. If you owned bikes you had to trailer them in and out of the community. Understand that these were $1M+ homes, too. -D > On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> On July 8, 2019 at 7:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> I wouldn’t classify that as damage. >> >> Damn, that’s a tough HOA. Worse thing we do is bust people for >> non-operable/non-registered cars, and that’s only of they’re crappy looking >> or have obvious issues like flat tires. > > Non-operable, flat tires etc is what the truck owner thinks he has a HOA to > get rid of. > > Here's another truck story, coincidentally a 1965 Ford, new paint, his > parents get the garage, kid's collector truck sits outside. HOA trustee likes > the truck, but it draws neighbor complaints. Rule states: no trucks, > commercial vehicles, motorcycles etc may be parked outside for more than 4 > nights per year. > https://youtu.be/tZWSiIBsSRI?t=100 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> On July 8, 2019 at 7:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I wouldn’t classify that as damage. > > Damn, that’s a tough HOA. Worse thing we do is bust people for > non-operable/non-registered cars, and that’s only of they’re crappy looking > or have obvious issues like flat tires. Non-operable, flat tires etc is what the truck owner thinks he has a HOA to get rid of. Here's another truck story, coincidentally a 1965 Ford, new paint, his parents get the garage, kid's collector truck sits outside. HOA trustee likes the truck, but it draws neighbor complaints. Rule states: no trucks, commercial vehicles, motorcycles etc may be parked outside for more than 4 nights per year. https://youtu.be/tZWSiIBsSRI?t=100 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why i will never live in a hood with a HOA. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 7:10 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > Let's assume your HOA covenants ban possession of motor vehicles with > 'moderately severe body damage'. > > Questions: > 1. Is that phrase too vague to be enforceable? > 2. If it's enforceable, is it considered an adhesive contract that must be > interpreted to favor the accused homeowner to any extent in which it is > considered vague? > > Now let's assume that one of your vehicles has an original 1965 paint job, > and might be described as 'patina', or as 'moderately severe paint damage', > but it's a straight rustfree example with zero body damage. > And let's say your HOA has sued you for $3k in violation fees and asked > the court for permission to foreclose on your home... > > How many of us have old MBZ with clearcoat leprosy? > Is that a danger if you have a HOA? > > > https://www.thedrive.com/news/27914/missouri-mans-hoa-overlords-say-vintage-1965-ford-f-250-pickup-truck-must-go-or-lose-his-home > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: HOAs and patina
I wouldn’t classify that as damage. Damn, that’s a tough HOA. Worse thing we do is bust people for non-operable/non-registered cars, and that’s only of they’re crappy looking or have obvious issues like flat tires. There’s a house up near one of the entrances to our neighborhood that has a Mustang in the driveway that’s clearly not moved for at least a year. No plate, but otherwise to the average observer it would just look like a car parked in someone’e driveway. I suggested that they back the car in so the lack of a license plate isn’t visible. They haven’t, so if someone gets their nose out of joint or they piss off a neighbor the HOA won’t have a choice but to cite them. -D > On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Let's assume your HOA covenants ban possession of motor vehicles with > 'moderately severe body damage'. > > Questions: > 1. Is that phrase too vague to be enforceable? > 2. If it's enforceable, is it considered an adhesive contract that must be > interpreted to favor the accused homeowner to any extent in which it is > considered vague? > > Now let's assume that one of your vehicles has an original 1965 paint job, > and might be described as 'patina', or as 'moderately severe paint damage', > but it's a straight rustfree example with zero body damage. > And let's say your HOA has sued you for $3k in violation fees and asked the > court for permission to foreclose on your home... > > How many of us have old MBZ with clearcoat leprosy? > Is that a danger if you have a HOA? > > https://www.thedrive.com/news/27914/missouri-mans-hoa-overlords-say-vintage-1965-ford-f-250-pickup-truck-must-go-or-lose-his-home > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
