Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Gary Hurst
science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic

i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula.  i don't buy the grain free
more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and
fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers
around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van
patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco.  merrick has good
stuff as well as solid gold.  i bought a bag of wellness the other night
based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet.

the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science.  if it has
corn in any form in it, don't buy it.  if it has any sort of meat by
products (road kill.  dead cats.  etc), don't buy it.  it should be
primarily made of meat and fish.  it just makes basic sense.

not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter
of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only
buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you
read the ingredients.

and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that
makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic.  if you try to buy beef that
is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter.  and
you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for
thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness.

my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things.  think
this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is
right.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

 What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet RD
 prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of
 starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very
 very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat!  My new
 Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance
 which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is
 cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!

 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels

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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread E M
Any advise or thoughts for a really good cat food, both dry and wet ?

Ed
300E

2009/11/1 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

 science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic

 i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula.  i don't buy the grain free
 more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals
 and
 fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers
 around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick
 van
 patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco.  merrick has good
 stuff as well as solid gold.  i bought a bag of wellness the other night
 based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet.

 the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science.  if it has
 corn in any form in it, don't buy it.  if it has any sort of meat by
 products (road kill.  dead cats.  etc), don't buy it.  it should be
 primarily made of meat and fish.  it just makes basic sense.

 not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket,
 discounter
 of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only
 buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you
 read the ingredients.

 and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food
 that
 makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic.  if you try to buy beef that
 is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter.  and
 you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown
 for
 thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness.

 my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things.  think
 this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is
 right.

 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

  What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet RD
  prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of
  starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the
 very
  very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat!  My new
  Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance
  which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag
 is
  cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!
 
  Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels
 
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Re: [MBZ] [Dog, etc.] Food

2009-11-01 Thread Jim Cathey

if you try to buy beef that
is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter.


My brother raises cattle.  That's the beef we eat.
Nothing put in them but grass.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] [Dog, etc.] Food

2009-11-01 Thread Gary Hurst
really?  not corn and chicken shit?  what are you, some kind of
anti-american iconoclast?  you been in contact with hugo chavez?

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 if you try to buy beef that
 is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter.


 My brother raises cattle.  That's the beef we eat.
 Nothing put in them but grass.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Tyler

Good advice!

I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society  
back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went  
to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even  
the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they  
accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate  
ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that  
Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag)  
that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that.


Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it  
can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him  
chew on a corn cob like a bone...


Sincerely,
Tyler
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel

On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic

i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula.  i don't buy the  
grain free
more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some  
cereals and

fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers
around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the  
dick van
patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco.  merrick  
has good
stuff as well as solid gold.  i bought a bag of wellness the other  
night

based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet.

the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science.  if  
it has

corn in any form in it, don't buy it.  if it has any sort of meat by
products (road kill.  dead cats.  etc), don't buy it.  it should be
primarily made of meat and fish.  it just makes basic sense.

not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket,  
discounter
of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you  
can only
buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this  
when you

read the ingredients.

and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy  
food that
makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic.  if you try to buy  
beef that
is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a  
nutter.  and
you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been  
grown for

thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness.

my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things.   
think

this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is
right.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet  
RD

prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of
starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and  
the very
very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat!   
My new
Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural  
Balance
which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a  
35lb bag is

cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels

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Re: [MBZ] FI Pump and OOMPF

2009-11-01 Thread LarryT
   Did replacing the o-rings and washers affect *anything* ?I'm in the 
same boat - my DVs are leaking but my car runs so well I am hesitant to take 
it all apart to repair the DVs as their leak seems *very* small -  I see 
only a small film of fuel on the top of the IP.


Thx -
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] FI Pump and OOMPF


I don;t know about replacing the FI pump, but the leaks you describe are
what I've had on several cars. Replacing the delivery valve seals (o-rings
and a copper washer/seal) cured them. Only a few dollars - MUCH less than 
a

FI rebuild!  I don't know that replacing the seals will affect the OOMPF
though ---

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:13 PM, ned kleinhenz 
ned.kleinh...@gmail.comwrote:



More than 6 months ago I took my ’95 E300D to the st(d)ealer to have its
lack of OOMF diagnosed.  The mechanic spent most of a day ruling out
things,
and he fixed a few problems along the way.  He got to the point where the
cause may be in the fuel injection pump, and would need to replace it to
rule out that potential problem.  I was able to talk only to the service
adviser and not the mechanic. So I didn’t find out how many possibilities
are left after the FI pump.  But I would hope FI is at the end of the
diagnosis line.  Of course, at dealer cost, I did not agree to replace 
the

FI pump.  And continued to hope I would find something wrong in the air
plenum control and EGR.  But I never found anything among that stuff.



Right now, the top of the FI pump below where the injector lines are
attached, are leaking.  And Rusty has a good price on FI pumps. So I am
considering replacing it.  I already have a few of the special timing 
tools
for adjusting this pump, and I am not afraid of removing and replacing 
it.




But I don’t know what a new/rebuilt timing pump are all about.  Does it
come
with those fuel injector line connections that are prone to leaking?  Or
would I have to solve that problem with more parts anyway?  Except for
timing, is there anything else I would have to adjust with a new pump?
 I’ve
got about 197k on this car now.  And I would like the next 100k+ to be
really NICE miles.  Does a new FI pump stand a chance helping that 
happen?




Ned

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Re: [MBZ] Parts ID

2009-11-01 Thread LarryT
I've got some Bosch parts manuals (from 1988).  One is for things like 
points and distr caps.  There's a cross ref in the back of each manual.  I 
wouldn't say it's easy but it's possible to scan PN's and see how many 
different applications are covered by 1 PN.  Of course, if it were to be a 
computerized list it would be much, much easier.  (Obviously).


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts ID


of course it complicates things.  what someone really needs to find (and i
guess that might need to be me) is some huge euro part number cross
reference guide.  my suspicion is that this will be difficult as the car
makers have a strong interest in no one knowing those facts.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:13 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


Thx Jaime -
That either complicates things or makes it easier. ;-^

I appreciate your insight though.

Larry


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts ID

 Larry,
Back when I had a 911, I was doing front brakes and realized I didn't 
have
wheel bearings for the job.  I went over the shelft, and sure enough, 
the
ones I had there fit my 911.  I think the grease seals were different, 
but

the bearings were the same.  I had originally bought them for a W108 or
W123... can't remember which.  Lots of parts between german cars are
surprisingly interchangeable!

Jaime


On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Thx Gary - How did you find that?  Did you search the pn?


It makes sense they're for my 911 - they just got put in the wrong box.


LarryT

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Parts ID

 as always, the conspiracy minded find the answer!





http://www.paulsgarageblog.com/how-to-replace-the-front-brakes-and-wheel-bearings-on-a-porsche-911sc/

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 LarryT wrote:



 Geez, that doesn't make sense.  I haven't had a VW for 40 years. 
Can't


imagine buying wheel bearings from anyone but you.I'm sure 
you're

right, just can't understand how this happened.  Hm --


 Are they Porsche compatible?


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread LarryT
   You wrote i can't imagine that the chinese ought to be all the 
different from the
koreans.   It;'s a total different mind set.  Look how the Koreans have 
done with their cars like
Hyundai - they were crap when 1st introduced and they listened to the 
complaints and addressed

them all.  Now, their cars are world class.

   The Koreans dislike the Japanese intensely - part of it goes back to WW2 
and the way Japan
conquered the Koreans.  They also feel the Japanese feel the world is their 
breadbasket meaning
they believe the world is there to be used to keep Japan in a dominant 
position.


They may all be oriental but their history, upbringing  education creates 
completely different attitudes.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

i shop at Hmart, the big korean supermarket.  i shop their because they 
are

just all quality all the time.

i can't imagine that the chinese ought to be all the different from the
koreans.  and yet they are the undisputed world heavyweight champion of
crap.

how much of this is simply driven by the endless stupidity and greed of 
the

american consumer?



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM, glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote:



If this sale comes to fruition, Volvo cars will probably become another
dangerous Chinese product which the American public should be wary of.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC

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Re: [MBZ] Parts ID

2009-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley

LarryT wrote:
I've got some Bosch parts manuals (from 1988).  One is for things like 
points and distr caps.  There's a cross ref in the back of each manual.  
I wouldn't say it's easy but it's possible to scan PN's and see how many 
different applications are covered by 1 PN.  Of course, if it were to be 
a computerized list it would be much, much easier.  (Obviously).


It's far from perfect, but Amazon.com has a show me the vehicles this part 
fits option.
For example, my 2.4L Twin Cam engine is not listed for the Purolator PL14006 
filter, but when I search the application guide at Purolatorautofilters.com, 
they tell me to use PL14006 in my car.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/compatibility-chart/B000H81CC0/ref=au_pf_dp_chart

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley

LarryT wrote:

   The Koreans dislike the Japanese intensely - part of it goes back to 
WW2 and the way Japan
conquered the Koreans.  They also feel the Japanese feel the world is 
their breadbasket meaning
they believe the world is there to be used to keep Japan in a dominant 
position.


That's pretty much how the Chinese feel about Japan. I knew a girl in college 
who told me her grandparents, who were in China in the 1940s, would refuse to 
sit in a Japanese car, their hatred was so strong.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] You don't see these every day

2009-11-01 Thread WILTON

'Thought that was bassackwards.  ;))

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] You don't see these every day



Years back (1969-1970) in a former life I sold cars for about a year for a
VW dealer.  I got to drive the dealer's cars home, so had some interesting
iron.  An XKE, a Porsche Super 90, a Caddy Fleetwood Brougham, a couple of
'vettes, a GTO, a 427...and the Citroen (one of their bigger ones).  The
French engineering on the Citroen should have convinced me never to own a
French car myself, but I later did buy a Peugeot 404.

It (the Citroen) was just weird and backasswards.

Greg

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net
wrote:

I drove a Citroen once...that was plenty for me!


Sounds like the beginning of a good story.  Details?  :)

Alex

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[MBZ] W124 300TE - questions on congifuring the cargo area

2009-11-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
A friend with a W124 300TE questions posed these questions below.

I was hoping list people could answer them:

1) How do you extend the cargo net (the cargo cover was a cinch)

2) How to remove the cargo cover/net unit in order to put the back
seats down and
increase the cargo area

3) How tp put the back seats down to increase the cargo area

The owners' manual has no instructions in this regard.

Andrew

W123 wagons and coupe
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Re: [MBZ] FI Pump and OOMPF

2009-11-01 Thread Peter Frederick
The external fuel leak is the o-ring seal, doesn't affect anything  
but fuel milage, and then only if it's quite large.


However, to replace the o-rings you must remove the valve holder, and  
hence must replace the seals as they won't usually seal when re- 
used.  New springs won't hurt anything, and may correct minor timing  
differences between cylinders if they have gotten short from use.


I personally prefer cars that don't drip, although I haven't had  
many


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread L. Mark Finch
Costco's Kirkland brand Lamb  Rice and Chicken  Rice kibble are of  
high quality, and they don't cost an arm and a leg. My Weims and  
Dobes have thrived on it, along with the Kirkland wet food.


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Re: [MBZ] FI Pump and OOMPF

2009-11-01 Thread harry watkins
Also, if your fuel tank is low and you park nose up on a slope, air will 
enter the system, BTDT.


Harry


The external fuel leak is the o-ring seal, doesn't affect anything  but 
fuel milage, and then only if it's quite large.


However, to replace the o-rings you must remove the valve holder, and 
hence must replace the seals as they won't usually seal when re- used. 
New springs won't hurt anything, and may correct minor timing  differences 
between cylinders if they have gotten short from use.


I personally prefer cars that don't drip, although I haven't had  many

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[MBZ] gosh, no bids?

2009-11-01 Thread L. Mark Finch


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic- 
in-2020_W0QQitemZ290364385677QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks? 
hash=item439b10e98d#ht_500wt_1182


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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Gary Hurst
dogs can't digest corn.  i suspect that we can't either all too well.  but
the USA grows corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, so something needs to be done
with it.  combine that with chinese overproduction of melamine and it's just
a disaster in the making.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:

 Good advice!

 I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society back
 in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went to the
 store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very
 expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they accomplish that
 by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's still
 really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the only thing I
 could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so
 I'm feeding him that.

 Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it can't
 possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him chew on a
 corn cob like a bone...

 Sincerely,
 Tyler
 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel


 On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

  science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic

 i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula.  i don't buy the grain free
 more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals
 and
 fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers
 around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick
 van
 patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco.  merrick has
 good
 stuff as well as solid gold.  i bought a bag of wellness the other night
 based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet.

 the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science.  if it has
 corn in any form in it, don't buy it.  if it has any sort of meat by
 products (road kill.  dead cats.  etc), don't buy it.  it should be
 primarily made of meat and fish.  it just makes basic sense.

 not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket,
 discounter
 of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only
 buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you
 read the ingredients.

 and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food
 that
 makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic.  if you try to buy beef
 that
 is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter.  and
 you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown
 for
 thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness.

 my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things.  think
 this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is
 right.

 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

  What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet RD
 prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of
 starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the
 very
 very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat!  My new
 Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance
 which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag
 is
 cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!

 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels

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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:29 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:
 Any advise or thoughts for a really good cat food, both dry and wet ?

Hi Ed,

I don't know what you can get up in Canada, but down here in the USA
(I'm in Oregon) there are a few decent options.  The problem is the
same as Hursty described with dog food---finding a food that
replicates a cat's natural diet. If left to fend for themselves, cats
will eat almost exclusively whole small rodents, insects, and birds,
and get what they need in the way of carbohydrates and vitamins from
the contents of their prey's stomachs. So you want the highest protein
content you can find.

In order of preference I would buy:

Nutro Natural Choice - available here in Petco stores.  They have a
few different lines, I think---one for kittens, one for elderly cats,
and one for in-between.

Felidae - a little harder to find but VERY high quality.  (Made by the
same company that makes Canidae.)

Newman's Organic---the only one of these three that's routinely
available at supermarkets down here, and the ONLY brand sold at
supermarkets that I would feed a cat. I have two cats that I inherited
from the previous owners of my house (who didn't want to take them
along when they moved) which were fed before I got there on the
cheapest possible food.  After two years on Newman's they seem MUCH
healthier and happier---no skin or teeth problems, at the right
weight, lots of energy.  Anecdotal evidence, sure, but pretty
convincing to me.

It's best to feed both dry and wet cat food, if the cat will go for
it---dry food is good for their teeth and gums since it takes some
effort to crunch it up, and wet food gives them a lot of water, which
domesticated cats, for some reason, often won't drink enough of on
their own.

If you're going to switch them, do it gradually over a week at least
(by mixing incrementally more of the new food into the old)---sudden
changes in diet tend to provoke urinary tract infections in cats,
especially females.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Peter Frederick
Corn is fine once it's cooked with an alkali of some sort (eg hominy  
cooked in lye or calcium oxide, masa from central america, etc).   
Without that pre-digestion, many of the nutrients are unavailable and  
the starch is hard to digest since it won't soften up very well in  
short cooking times.


That's why unbuttered popcorn is a good diet food, if you can  
tolerate it.  No nutritional value, all fiber.


I assume this is true for dogs as well.  Certainly, never feed a cat  
corn based food, they cannot digest it at all.  Think ground mouse.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] gosh, no bids?

2009-11-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM, L. Mark Finch mfi...@katzenfinch.com wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/yklabmf


Weird, did they mean to put in $1,000 and got confused on the zeros?

And what's with the vanity plate that says BRAIN?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] you know you are getting super old and tired

2009-11-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 when you just start to really like woody allen movies.  i am watching
 whatever works and find it really good.


Have you seen the classics---Annie Hall, Manhattan, Broadway Danny
Rose, Hannah and her Sisters, Crimes and Misdemeanors, Husbands and
Wives?  I'd call those his masterpieces, and the place to start for a
good Woody Allen education.  Then branch out into the others in
whatever order you want (but save Deconstructing Harry until you've
seen at least a dozen of his other movies since it's pretty much an
intentional self-parody that is only funny if you know him well).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] You don't see these every day

2009-11-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote:
 It (the Citroen) was just weird and backasswards.


Somebody said (I'm paraphrasing) that a Citroen was what you would get
if you told a bunch of Martian engineers that a car was a
self-propelled means of transport with four wheels, and let them
figure out the rest themselves.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] You don't see these every day

2009-11-01 Thread Peter Frederick
Well, they ARE very different.  Not really all that much worse, or  
better, just different.


After all, there is no metaphysical reason to number cylinders  
starting at the front, is there?  From the rear works just as well.


And why not use the shift lever as the starter switch?  No way to  
start the car in gear that way, after all!


I have always thought the Citroen DS21 was the King of Kool, anyway  
-- one spoke steering wheel and hydraulicly shifted manual automatic  
included!


Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Greg Fiorentino
+1 on the Canidae!  That's the stuff we feed our Nova Scotia Duck Tolling
Retriever, aka Toller.  His name is Rogue, named for the river in Oregon.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Tyler
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:00 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

Good advice!

I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society  
back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went  
to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even  
the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they  
accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate  
ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that  
Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag)  
that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that.

Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it  
can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him  
chew on a corn cob like a bone...

Sincerely,
Tyler
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel

On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic

 i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula.  i don't buy the  
 grain free
 more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some  
 cereals and
 fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers
 around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the  
 dick van
 patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco.  merrick  
 has good
 stuff as well as solid gold.  i bought a bag of wellness the other  
 night
 based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet.

 the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science.  if  
 it has
 corn in any form in it, don't buy it.  if it has any sort of meat by
 products (road kill.  dead cats.  etc), don't buy it.  it should be
 primarily made of meat and fish.  it just makes basic sense.

 not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket,  
 discounter
 of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you  
 can only
 buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this  
 when you
 read the ingredients.

 and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy  
 food that
 makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic.  if you try to buy  
 beef that
 is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a  
 nutter.  and
 you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been  
 grown for
 thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness.

 my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things.   
 think
 this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is
 right.

 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

 What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet  
 RD
 prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of
 starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and  
 the very
 very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat!   
 My new
 Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural  
 Balance
 which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a  
 35lb bag is
 cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!

 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels

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[MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread glenn brown

Remember folks, responsibility for many of the lousy products from China which 
are sold in this country can be laid at the feet of the high level managers of 
the U.S. companies who started outsourcing to places like Mexico first in order 
to increase their profit margins.  I remember an episode with counterfeit Kodak 
film which was found to be made in China, and was eventually settled via the 
two companies joining forces. 

 

G. M. Brown

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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Greg Fiorentino
I don't buy food of any kind made in China, whether it's for human or canine
consumption.  That makes shopping a bit slower with all the stopping to read
the fine print.

Greg

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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:53 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

dogs can't digest corn.  i suspect that we can't either all too well.  but
the USA grows corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, so something needs to be done
with it.  combine that with chinese overproduction of melamine and it's just
a disaster in the making.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:

 Good advice!

 I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society back
 in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went to the
 store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very
 expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they accomplish
that
 by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's still
 really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the only thing
I
 could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so
 I'm feeding him that.

 Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it can't
 possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him chew on a
 corn cob like a bone...

 Sincerely,
 Tyler
 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel


 On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

  science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic

 i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula.  i don't buy the grain
free
 more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals
 and
 fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers
 around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick
 van
 patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco.  merrick has
 good
 stuff as well as solid gold.  i bought a bag of wellness the other night
 based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet.

 the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science.  if it has
 corn in any form in it, don't buy it.  if it has any sort of meat by
 products (road kill.  dead cats.  etc), don't buy it.  it should be
 primarily made of meat and fish.  it just makes basic sense.

 not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket,
 discounter
 of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can
only
 buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you
 read the ingredients.

 and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food
 that
 makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic.  if you try to buy beef
 that
 is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter.  and
 you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown
 for
 thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness.

 my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things.  think
 this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is
 right.

 On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote:

  What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet RD
 prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of
 starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the
 very
 very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat!  My
new
 Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance
 which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag
 is
 cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!

 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels

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Re: [MBZ] OT Buick Reatta

2009-11-01 Thread Donald Snook
Alex wrote: Edmunds.com says the last year for the Reatta was 1991.  Snook, 
are you talking about the Riviera made at the same time as the Reatta, or the 
next generation after that, sold 1995-1999?  I've always thought the latter was 
a drop-dead gorgeous car---sometimes GM's styling department seems to hit one 
out of the park (probably inadvertently). What do you think about that one as 
far as reliability?  It had the supercharged 3.8, same as the Pontiac 
Bonneville SSEI (which I've heard a lot of good things about).

Yes, you are right. I was thinking of the later model Riveria - not the same 
one that was around at the time of the Riveria.  I couldn't remember when they 
came out with the Riveria that you are talking about.  Yes, they are good 
looking cars AND they are very reliable cars.  The 3800 coupled with the 4T60E 
transmission produced quite a bit of power and got very good mileage.  The 
Supercharged version was just as reliable, but got slightly worse mileage.  I 
really like the looks of the Riveria, too.  The Bonneville is also a very nice 
car with the same reliability.  Really all of the C and H body cars of that 
time were great cars.  That would include the LeSabre, Booneville, Park Avenue, 
Olds 88 and Olds 98 were all great cars.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Mountain Man
jabba wrote:
 i know a little bit about car parts and a little bit about dog food, and in
 both areas that chinese are an absolute disgrace.  i suspect it is not
 isolated to these two areas.

I think you hint at the real problem.
I am thinking it is not the chinese by themselves that produce sub-par
products - it is all the american input thru the design and
construction processes that the china producers see and learn.  We
worship the god of price.  Price = God.  This is the almighty word in
america, whereas when I was a kid, to speak about price was a real
no-no.  If price is the sole quest in obtaining a product - we are to
blame for the garbage that american ingenuity has taught an ingenious
people in china to capitalize upon.  Take some of the blame.  Don't
just shove all the blame to china in the production of cheap stuff.
Recognize that we have some culpability in this fiasco.  I have yet to
see a quality product from china - in fact, I don't even see china
products anymore.
mao

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[MBZ] OT Re: Dog Food

2009-11-01 Thread ernest breakfield
after gradually getting my wife to understand what the ingredients in 
the dog food she wanted to buy really were and getting her to think 
about what dogs (or wolves, their closest ancestors) would really have 
been eating in the wild before kibble was created for the convenience of 
humans, the only dry food our dog gets on the days we feed her now is 
Orijen. (not surprisingly, i've never seen this in a grocery store.)
   she actually only gets a handful of kibble at each meal with her raw 
food just to keep her used to kibble so she's still acclimated to it 
when we travel; she much prefers the raw food. (no big surprise there, eh?)
   most of the time we feed her raw food; real meat with a bit of 
seasonal veggies and sometimes ground bone mixed in, and a hint of 
rotated herbs. (stuff smells good enough to put on the grill!) one day 
each week she gets just uncooked meaty bones of various types, and a 
couple of times a month she fasts; idea being we're trying to simulate 
the situation in the wild where no dog/wolf was a god enough hunter to 
get food twice a day every day.
   seems to be working well so far for our Lab/Malinois mix; she's over 
13 years old now, not overweight, bright, happy, active, mobile, and 
eager to be engaged in whatever is going on.



cheers!
e


Kevin Kraly wrote:
What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet RD 
prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of 
starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and 
the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even 
meat!  My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's 
Natural Balance which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at 
$44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels


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Re: [MBZ] gosh, no bids?

2009-11-01 Thread WILTON

Guam?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gosh, no bids?


On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM, L. Mark Finch mfi...@katzenfinch.com 
wrote:


http://tinyurl.com/yklabmf



Weird, did they mean to put in $1,000 and got confused on the zeros?

And what's with the vanity plate that says BRAIN?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Peter Frederick
You are correct -- the comment on the lead in paint on toys was  
well, if you didn't insist on prices below production costs, no one  
would cut corners.


However, the Chinese do have a very long standing culture of  
resistance to authority, to my mind due to the very long history of  
being ruled by foreigners.  The subculture of going around authority  
has become so ingrained that I don't think China will regularly  
produce quality goods except as isolated events -- someone is always  
going to make it LOOK like the real thing with cheaper guts to make a  
profit.  It's been going on there for at least 1000 years, and won't  
stop soon.


The nature of the beast, so to speak.

Me, I prefer to pay for decent quality, or by used decent quality,  
rather than buy disposable junk.  That's why I drive a 22 year old  
Benz -- no way to buy a new one (and they are nothing like what I  
have anyway, more like a fancy Chrysler if the reports are true) so I  
make do with a used one.  With some luck, I won't every buy another  
car.  Of course, I was planning that with the old one, too, but  
someone helped me take it off the road


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond
My dog gets Nutro, lamb and rice I think. It seems like good stuff, he likes it.

Science diet is a mega scam as is anything with beet pulp which is a residue 
left over from making sugar. Its a filler and nothing more and many dogs are 
allergic to it.

Natural Balance is good stuff, we get it sometimes and Petco frequently has 
(like today even) little giveaway bags of it that are handy for training treats.
With good quality kibble you can switch foods and the dog doesn't get sick. A 
dog team (for dogsledding, I'm sure theres a better term) trainer told me once 
that when he evaluates kibble he'll take the dogs out for a good hard run with 
nothing in their bellies and then feed them the new food. If they get sick or 
have gas the food goes back because its no good. He had something like 20 dogs 
and was buying 1/2 ton of food at a time so he didn't screw around.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:52:18 -0700
From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net
Subject: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re:  Chinese Volvos
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: 645b17a8d4b74f18a28ef234f3f5d...@kdogpc
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
    reply-type=original

What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet RD 
prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of 
starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very 
very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat!  My new 
Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance 
which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is 
cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels 


  
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Re: [MBZ] [Dog, etc.] Food

2009-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond
I wish we could find a good source for grass fed beef. Every one I've found 
wants me to buy a whole side at a time. I could do a quarter but not a whole 
animal.
We've gotten some lamb but they'll still hold us to 10# at a time. My wife 
doesn't really eat lamb which makes it tough for us.

I'd also like to find a good source of milk fed pork, again in smaller amounts. 
There are only 2 of us, 100# would last a year and require us to get another 
freezer.

Of course week after next I may shoot a deer...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:32:36 -0800
From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Dog, etc.] Food
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: 587b3d77-c6b0-11de-a63b-000502d9a...@windwireless.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

 if you try to buy beef that
 is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter.

My brother raises cattle.  That's the beef we eat.
Nothing put in them but grass.

-- Jim


  
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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food

2009-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond
The other trick is they'll list each ingredient by weight but have the meat be 
wet weight and the corn is dry weight. They should force all ingredients to be 
listed in dry weight or by volume which is really what counts.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 02:00:19 -0800
From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: 684b6b6c-ee31-488f-888b-8b20b5a15...@usermail.com
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Good advice!

I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society  
back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went  
to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even  
the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they  
accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate  
ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that  
Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag)  
that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that.

Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it  
can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him  
chew on a corn cob like a bone...

Sincerely,
Tyler
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel



  
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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food

2009-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond
Unfortunately the dog food rating site is down right now.
I did find a list of ingredients, the only questionable one I saw was beet pulp 
but there were many ingredients and many where I didn't know what they were. I 
want things I can identify.

Another listing said it was $15 for 40#. How is that possible? Why are the 
other quality dog food 2-3X as much?  Kirkland wet food was implicated in the 
recall in 2007 for melamine contamination...

Remember some people thrive on McDonalds which is clearly not nutritionally 
balanced.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:35:01 -0500
From: L. Mark Finch mfi...@katzenfinch.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re:  Chinese Volvos
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: c57b1a0a-2617-41f7-b0bb-830ec4999...@katzenfinch.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Costco's Kirkland brand Lamb  Rice and Chicken  Rice kibble are of  
high quality, and they don't cost an arm and a leg. My Weims and  
Dobes have thrived on it, along with the Kirkland wet food.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food

2009-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond
You can't digest corn very well either until you make it into hominy which 
converts it somehow...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:52:49 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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dogs can't digest corn.  i suspect that we can't either all too well.  but
the USA grows corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, so something needs to be done
with it.  combine that with chinese overproduction of melamine and it's just
a disaster in the making.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley

Peter Frederick wrote:

However, the Chinese do have a very long standing culture of resistance 
to authority, 


Interesting thought, that it might be as hard to get quality out of a Chinese 
factory worker today as it was to get it out of a British factory worker 35 
years ago. Too much sabotage?


You can get incredible quality out of small mom  pop Chinese businesses today.
All it takes is an owner who cares about his reputation and knows what each 
employee is doing. Case in point would be Alex at Perpetual Watch:

http://perpetual-watch.com/

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Oops, I forgot, Perpetual is in Hong Kong. Totally different place compared to 
China.


Mitch.

Mitch Haley wrote:

You can get incredible quality out of small mom  pop Chinese businesses 
today.
All it takes is an owner who cares about his reputation and knows what 
each employee is doing. Case in point would be Alex at Perpetual Watch:

http://perpetual-watch.com/



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Re: [MBZ] you know you are getting super old and tired

2009-11-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
The best of all IMHO were Sleeper and Everything you wanted to know about
S*x...

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  when you just start to really like woody allen movies.  i am watching
  whatever works and find it really good.
 

 Have you seen the classics---Annie Hall, Manhattan, Broadway Danny
 Rose, Hannah and her Sisters, Crimes and Misdemeanors, Husbands and
 Wives?  I'd call those his masterpieces, and the place to start for a
 good Woody Allen education.  Then branch out into the others in
 whatever order you want (but save Deconstructing Harry until you've
 seen at least a dozen of his other movies since it's pretty much an
 intentional self-parody that is only funny if you know him well).

 Alex

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[MBZ] Test

2009-11-01 Thread andrew strasfogel
I've sent out two messages to the list in the last couple days but not a
solitary response, which is unprecedented.
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel 300TD in FL - some questions

2009-11-01 Thread ernest breakfield
judging by the extra unexplained plumbing visible in the engine 
compartment on the port-side fender, someone has tried to do a Veggie 
Oil conversion on this car, and not done it well.

   (there is no conversion necessary for BioDiesel.)
   while you might get away with this for a while, (perhaps longer in 
Floriduh where it's warmer,) the fact that the seller doesn't seem to 
know the difference between BioDiesel and/or Veggie Oil/BioFuels is a 
Red Flag.



cheers!
e


andrew strasfogel wrote:

I find it disconcerting that the seller doesn't explain how the biodiesel
system works.  I can't figure out is why he disabled the cargo bay to place
a gasoline can to fill with the alternate fuel.  Or is it an auxiliary
tank? Where is the switchover valve under the hood?  Can the car still run
on plain diesel, filled the normal way?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-TD-1983-biodiesel-300-TD-Wagon_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45eedc00c7QQitemZ300360138951QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks
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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food

2009-11-01 Thread Rich Thomas

Grits are good for you.

http://hominygrill.bigcartel.com/product/t-shirts

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:

You can't digest corn very well either until you make it into hominy which 
converts it somehow...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:52:49 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID:
8b0e7cce0911010852g2cd92de9m792046b129667...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

dogs can't digest corn.  i suspect that we can't either all too well.  but
the USA grows corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, so something needs to be done
with it.  combine that with chinese overproduction of melamine and it's just
a disaster in the making.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Test

2009-11-01 Thread Rich Thomas

You failed.

--R

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I've sent out two messages to the list in the last couple days but not a
solitary response, which is unprecedented.
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Re: [MBZ] You don't see these every day

2009-11-01 Thread Bill R
I liked the hydraulic leveling and ground clearance/jack system, and being
able to run [the station wagon at least] a fully loaded one without one of
the rear wheels.
BillR

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Peter Frederick
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] You don't see these every day

Well, they ARE very different.  Not really all that much worse, or  
better, just different.

After all, there is no metaphysical reason to number cylinders  
starting at the front, is there?  From the rear works just as well.

And why not use the shift lever as the starter switch?  No way to  
start the car in gear that way, after all!

I have always thought the Citroen DS21 was the King of Kool, anyway  
-- one spoke steering wheel and hydraulicly shifted manual automatic  
included!

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Questions on configuring the cargo area

2009-11-01 Thread Dan Weeks


On Nov 1, 2009, at 11:05 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:


3) How tp put the back seats down to increase the cargo area


This is the only one I know the answer to. Flip the seat bottoms up by  
lifting on the latch (it has finger grips molded into it) on the side  
of the seat bottom. That's the easy part. THen pull REALLY REALLY HARD  
on the seat back. I went for 2 years without being able to figure out  
how to lower the seat backs. I couldn't find a catch anywhere. Turns  
out there isn't one. IT's a friction catch, and it's really tough to  
dislodge. Finally I got so mad I just grabbed the seat back and hauled  
on it, and whaddaya know.


Have fun!

Dan

88 300TE
82 300SD, 320k

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Re: [MBZ] Questions on configuring the cargo area

2009-11-01 Thread Peter Frederick
You will  also need to remove the rear seat head supports to fold the  
rear seat down.


The seat back is latched by the door, but they usually stick and some  
force (accompanied by several open/close cycles of the door) may be  
required to get them lose.


There is a red molded hand grip on the side of the rear seat bottom  
cushion -- lift of flip the seat bottom forward, then pull the seat  
back down so it will lie flat.


Headrests will have to be stored somewhere else, alas.

Make sure the rubber retainer straps for the seat belt latches are  
intact and installed, otherwise you will often trap the buckle under  
the seat.


Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Test

2009-11-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

you failed

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I've sent out two messages to the list in the last couple days but not a
solitary response, which is unprecedented.
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Mountain Man
Mitch wrote:
 Oops, I forgot, Perpetual is in Hong Kong. Totally different place compared
 to China.

Hong Kong is China - it went to China in 1999 - no?
mao

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[MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

2009-11-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
So a few weeks ago messing with my new 90 2.5, I discover it is not 
charging.  I swap in a different regulator and it still does not 
charge.  The regulator that was on there had really short brushes, the 
one I put on had long ones.  Anyway, I go to pull the alternator only to 
discover the lower bolt partially rounded off, and the bolt will not 
budge.  Crap.  I ended up having to CUT the alternator off, and part of 
the mounting brackets as well.  Took about 3 hours but I got it off.  I 
then pull the remaining bracket off the engine and install another one.  
I put on a different alternator along with the same regulator I had used 
before because it has much longer brushes.  Still not charging.  I also 
notice when turning on the key non of the lights come on (bat, brake, 
oil, coolant etc) OK, so I pull that alternator back off and go pull one 
off a 260E to try.  BTW, you all remember me asking about the difference 
in these alternators.  EPC says different part numbers.  The pulley and 
everything else is identical between the diesel version and the gas 
version.  Anyway, before installing this 3rd alt, I pull the regulator 
out to check it and it has short brushes, so I put the one I have with 
nice long ones.  Install alternator, still no charge.  DAMN. I was about 
ready to give up for the day when I decide to pull the regulator with 
the long brushes out and put the one that was in it with short ones back 
in.  Now it charges just fine.  WTF?  I guess a regulator can go bad and 
still have nice long brushes on it?  There might not have been anything 
wrong with the alternator all along, it might have just been the 
regulator. 

I was then going to drain the oil and discovered the oil plug rounded 
off.  DAMN!!!  How I am going to get that out? 


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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley

Mountain Man wrote:


Hong Kong is China - it went to China in 1999 - no?


Yeah, but HK is a different culture, so it's like saying Butte and Chicago are 
in the same country. I get the idea that HK is closer to Japan economically.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

2009-11-01 Thread WILTON

Don't drain it - suck it out via the dipstick tube.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net

To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure


So a few weeks ago messing with my new 90 2.5, I discover it is not 
charging.  I swap in a different regulator and it still does not 
charge.  The regulator that was on there had really short brushes, the 
one I put on had long ones.  Anyway, I go to pull the alternator only to 
discover the lower bolt partially rounded off, and the bolt will not 
budge.  Crap.  I ended up having to CUT the alternator off, and part of 
the mounting brackets as well.  Took about 3 hours but I got it off.  I 
then pull the remaining bracket off the engine and install another one.  
I put on a different alternator along with the same regulator I had used 
before because it has much longer brushes.  Still not charging.  I also 
notice when turning on the key non of the lights come on (bat, brake, 
oil, coolant etc) OK, so I pull that alternator back off and go pull one 
off a 260E to try.  BTW, you all remember me asking about the difference 
in these alternators.  EPC says different part numbers.  The pulley and 
everything else is identical between the diesel version and the gas 
version.  Anyway, before installing this 3rd alt, I pull the regulator 
out to check it and it has short brushes, so I put the one I have with 
nice long ones.  Install alternator, still no charge.  DAMN. I was about 
ready to give up for the day when I decide to pull the regulator with 
the long brushes out and put the one that was in it with short ones back 
in.  Now it charges just fine.  WTF?  I guess a regulator can go bad and 
still have nice long brushes on it?  There might not have been anything 
wrong with the alternator all along, it might have just been the 
regulator. 

I was then going to drain the oil and discovered the oil plug rounded 
off.  DAMN!!!  How I am going to get that out? 


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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Yes, but no.  HK is under the PRC, but it is a Special Administrative
Region HKSAR which even has its own different passport.

Greg

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Mountain Man
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos

Mitch wrote:
 Oops, I forgot, Perpetual is in Hong Kong. Totally different place
compared
 to China.

Hong Kong is China - it went to China in 1999 - no?
mao

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[MBZ] Rounded-off oil drain plug

2009-11-01 Thread Max Dillon

Kaleb,

No problem, just suck the oil out the dipstick tube.  With all the cars you 
have, I would think that such a time/labor saving device (oil sucker) would 
be one of your favorite tools.


If you still want to get that off, a pipe wrench or a big vice grips 
(something with some real teeth on it) may be helpful.


VR
/s/
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300 Diesel, 274k miles
'87 300TD, 315k miles
'73 Balboa 20


I was then going to drain the oil and discovered the oil plug rounded
off.  DAMN!!!  How I am going to get that out?




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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Redghost
I am pretty sure nothing but mexicans can digest corn.  And even they  
have some troubles


clay

On Nov 1, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

dogs can't digest corn.  i suspect that we can't either all too  
well.  but
the USA grows corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, so something needs to be  
done
with it.  combine that with chinese overproduction of melamine and  
it's just

a disaster in the making.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:


Good advice!

I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane  
society back
in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went  
to the

store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very
expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they  
accomplish that
by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's  
still
really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the  
only thing I
could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a  
dog, so

I'm feeding him that.

Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it  
can't
possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him  
chew on a

corn cob like a bone...

Sincerely,
Tyler
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel


On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic


i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula.  i don't buy the  
grain free
more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some  
cereals

and
fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two  
dealers
around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours  
the dick

van
patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco.  merrick  
has

good
stuff as well as solid gold.  i bought a bag of wellness the other  
night

based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet.

the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science.  if  
it has

corn in any form in it, don't buy it.  if it has any sort of meat by
products (road kill.  dead cats.  etc), don't buy it.  it should be
primarily made of meat and fish.  it just makes basic sense.

not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket,
discounter
of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you  
can only
buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this  
when you

read the ingredients.

and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy  
food

that
makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic.  if you try to buy  
beef

that
is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a  
nutter.  and
you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been  
grown

for
thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness.

my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all  
things.  think
this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you  
think is

right.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net  
wrote:


What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science  
Diet RD
prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet  
of
starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin,  
and the

very
very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even  
meat!  My new
Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural  
Balance
which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a  
35lb bag

is
cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

2009-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley
If you have no dash lights, how is the initial field current supposed to go 
through the alternator indicator lamp to the regulator to make the alternator work?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

2009-11-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

yea, but I would still like to get that bolt out.

WILTON wrote:

Don't drain it - suck it out via the dipstick tube.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
ka...@striplin.net

To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure


So a few weeks ago messing with my new 90 2.5, I discover it is not 
charging.  I swap in a different regulator and it still does not 
charge.  The regulator that was on there had really short brushes, 
the one I put on had long ones.  Anyway, I go to pull the alternator 
only to discover the lower bolt partially rounded off, and the bolt 
will not budge.  Crap.  I ended up having to CUT the alternator off, 
and part of the mounting brackets as well.  Took about 3 hours but I 
got it off.  I then pull the remaining bracket off the engine and 
install another one.  I put on a different alternator along with the 
same regulator I had used before because it has much longer brushes.  
Still not charging.  I also notice when turning on the key non of the 
lights come on (bat, brake, oil, coolant etc) OK, so I pull that 
alternator back off and go pull one off a 260E to try.  BTW, you all 
remember me asking about the difference in these alternators.  EPC 
says different part numbers.  The pulley and everything else is 
identical between the diesel version and the gas version.  Anyway, 
before installing this 3rd alt, I pull the regulator out to check it 
and it has short brushes, so I put the one I have with nice long 
ones.  Install alternator, still no charge.  DAMN. I was about ready 
to give up for the day when I decide to pull the regulator with the 
long brushes out and put the one that was in it with short ones back 
in.  Now it charges just fine.  WTF?  I guess a regulator can go bad 
and still have nice long brushes on it?  There might not have been 
anything wrong with the alternator all along, it might have just been 
the regulator.
I was then going to drain the oil and discovered the oil plug rounded 
off.  DAMN!!!  How I am going to get that out?

--
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95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 
560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D 
euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com



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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

2009-11-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
how would I know.  With the regulator in there that works, all the 
lights lite up now.


Mitch Haley wrote:
If you have no dash lights, how is the initial field current supposed 
to go through the alternator indicator lamp to the regulator to make 
the alternator work?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Getting seats down on 300TE

2009-11-01 Thread Dan Weeks


On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:59 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:


Headrests will have to be stored somewhere else, alas.


On mine, there are holes to insert the headrest support rods into on  
top of the upward-facing edge of the seat bottoms when the bottoms are  
folded up against the front seats. You can drop the headrests in  
there, and they're nicely stowed, and don't intrude on the cargo area.  
Very slick.


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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

2009-11-01 Thread Mitch Haley

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
how would I know.  With the regulator in there that works, all the 
lights lite up now.


OK, so it was the regulator, not the fuses.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure

2009-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond
Ain't you got no vice grips at Okie Acres?
Then get you a sharp chisel and use that...

Or weld a crossbar on and use that.
Or cut a groove in it and use a screwdriver.

Or do like Germany intended and don't use the stupid drain plug. I've NEVER 
used the drainplug on my 190D. Its probably stripped...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:59:08 -0600
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Subject: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo alternator adventure
To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: 4aee20cc.2050...@striplin.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


I was then going to drain the oil and discovered the oil plug rounded 
off.  DAMN!!!  How I am going to get that out? 

-- 
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 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 
 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
http://www.okiebenz.com


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - WCPE classical music

2009-11-01 Thread Wonko the Sane
Hours away from me, way out of FM range. I am in an all-metal building
(right down to the 2x4s) and can't even get the local Jefferson FM radio
station from my office.

But Sioux City was correct -- and I heard the announcement too.

FM range for me is Des Moines or Ames.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Wonko, as usual, I was listening to WCPE in the car this morning and heard
 'em welcoming aboard a new affiliate station at some community college in
 Sioux City.  'Sorry, didn't catch the call letters, the college, etc.

 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Gary Hurst
exactly on the switching foods.  i switch often with no problem

you eat mcdonald's and you get sick.  you eat something of quality and you
don't.  not difficult to grasp.  same with the animals.  they have to adapt
themselves to tolerate the old roy/ science diet grade of food without
getting sick, so changing from one to another will have bad results.

i'm not quite a fan of nutro either, but it sure beats the hell out of
science diet

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My dog gets Nutro, lamb and rice I think. It seems like good stuff, he
 likes it.

 Science diet is a mega scam as is anything with beet pulp which is a
 residue left over from making sugar. Its a filler and nothing more and many
 dogs are allergic to it.

 Natural Balance is good stuff, we get it sometimes and Petco frequently has
 (like today even) little giveaway bags of it that are handy for training
 treats.
 With good quality kibble you can switch foods and the dog doesn't get sick.
 A dog team (for dogsledding, I'm sure theres a better term) trainer told me
 once that when he evaluates kibble he'll take the dogs out for a good hard
 run with nothing in their bellies and then feed them the new food. If they
 get sick or have gas the food goes back because its no good. He had
 something like 20 dogs and was buying 1/2 ton of food at a time so he didn't
 screw around.

 -Curt

 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:52:18 -0700
 From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net
 Subject: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re:  Chinese Volvos
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID: 645b17a8d4b74f18a28ef234f3f5d...@kdogpc
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
 reply-type=original

 What food do you feed your dogs?  I found out that the Science Diet RD
 prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of
 starvation!  It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the
 very
 very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat!  My new
 Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance
 which is a quality kibble.  Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is
 cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!!

 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels



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Re: [MBZ] [Dog, etc.] Food

2009-11-01 Thread Gary Hurst
the argentines are real sticklers on beef.  if you have a community of them
around you, go contact for grass fed beef.  markets like whole foods also
sell better quality stuff, but big $$$s.  i also go tot he koreans for
quality, but the language barrier is often too much of an obstacle as even
when they do know some english, the accent is very difficult to work with.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wish we could find a good source for grass fed beef. Every one I've found
 wants me to buy a whole side at a time. I could do a quarter but not a whole
 animal.
 We've gotten some lamb but they'll still hold us to 10# at a time. My wife
 doesn't really eat lamb which makes it tough for us.

 I'd also like to find a good source of milk fed pork, again in smaller
 amounts. There are only 2 of us, 100# would last a year and require us to
 get another freezer.

 Of course week after next I may shoot a deer...

 -Curt

 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:32:36 -0800
 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Dog, etc.] Food
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID: 587b3d77-c6b0-11de-a63b-000502d9a...@windwireless.net
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  if you try to buy beef that
  is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter.

 My brother raises cattle.  That's the beef we eat.
 Nothing put in them but grass.

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Curt Raymond
Both the Merrick and the Dick Van Patten stuff give him gas, the Nutro doesn't 
and he loves it in a way he didn't with the SD junk.

Of course when we visit my wife's aunt he loves the cheapo Wal-Mart crap she 
feeds her dogs. Doggie junk food.

Interestingly the aunt's dogs won't touch my dog's treats. I forget the brand 
but he really likes apple biscuits (actually he likes fresh banana best of all) 
that the other dogs won't go near.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:38:12 -0400
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

exactly on the switching foods.  i switch often with no problem

you eat mcdonald's and you get sick.  you eat something of quality and you
don't.  not difficult to grasp.  same with the animals.  they have to adapt
themselves to tolerate the old roy/ science diet grade of food without
getting sick, so changing from one to another will have bad results.

i'm not quite a fan of nutro either, but it sure beats the hell out of
science diet


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - WCPE classical music

2009-11-01 Thread WILTON

'Was afraid of that.

Wilton

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From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - WCPE classical music



Hours away from me, way out of FM range. I am in an all-metal building
(right down to the 2x4s) and can't even get the local Jefferson FM radio
station from my office.

But Sioux City was correct -- and I heard the announcement too.

FM range for me is Des Moines or Ames.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Wonko, as usual, I was listening to WCPE in the car this morning and 
heard
'em welcoming aboard a new affiliate station at some community college 
in

Sioux City.  'Sorry, didn't catch the call letters, the college, etc.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos

2009-11-01 Thread Kevin Kraly
One of the guide dog trainers feeds the Kirkland Lamb and Rice Kibble to her 
dogs with good results as well.  It's cheaper than the Natural Balance too. 
Petco is closer to me, so that's where I went.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels 



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Re: [MBZ] [Dog, etc.] Food

2009-11-01 Thread Jim Cathey
I wish we could find a good source for grass fed beef. Every one I've 
found wants me to buy a whole side at a time.


That's what we do.


I could do a quarter but not a whole animal.


A quarter is a tougher split.  Asymmetrical, you see.
Go in with friends, and play poker for the best steaks?

-- Jim



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