[OGD] Re Paphiopedilum labels
This orchid was possibly displayed by Roberta, who has placed an image on the Internet. She claims that her label says: Paph vejuarutianum (charlesworthii type vejuarutianum.) Dot may be right that it should be Paph. vejvarutianum. The is it a U or V? question is common when reading hand written plant labels.See Roberta's beautiful image of the Paph. here: http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fascinationoforchids.com/orchidcentral/1392a.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.fascinationoforchids.com/orchidcentral/shadeorchids.htmlh=360w=336sz=20hl=enstart=1usg=__S5FfIlTll6STEI02M1sJ_fojdUQ=tbnid=khuavj_yNqEA9M:tbnh=121tbnw=113prev=/images%3Fq%3DPaphiopedilum%2Bvejuarutianum%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Exportation of orchids from continental USA to Canada
Lee, the COC regulations you read are at least four years old and have not been updated, as I already posted earlier on this forum. Sorry, but what you say is incorrect, Phytosanitary is not waived for what you wish to Export and Ship to Canada. My best advice to you is to check the Canadian Import Rules yourself, these are on the Internet. Canadian Food Inspection Agency, (CFIA,) Directive 96-09 can be found here: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/plaveg/protect/dir/d-96-09e.shtml Canada is also member country of CITES and enforces its rules and regulations. CITES: http://www.cites.org/ The rules for Hand Carried orchids from Continental USA to Canada are different from Shipping them. You state that you wish to send them, if that means shipping by courier, USPS, etc.etc., the rules in 2006, when I last checked them in CFIA directive 96-06, were as follows: SHIPPING Appendix II orchids from the Continental US to Canada, YOU, the Exporter must: 1) ship the orchids bare root ( CFIA Directive 96-09) 2) Obtain a Phytosanitary Certificate from US authorities (CFIA Directive 96-09) 3) Obtain a CITES Export Permit from US authorities (CITES Rule) Hope this helps. peter Lee who wrote: So as a practical matter I have two hybrids (just 2 orchids) that I am considering sending to someone in Ontario. From a cursory look at the COC site the phyto is waived but the CITES is necessary? snip. Lee ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] importation into canada
To Jean Allen-Ikeson who said: . Go to the Canadian Orchid Congress site (www.canadianorchidcongress.ca http://www.canadianorchidcongress.ca/ import) and see the excellent summary by Marilyn Light for importation. People slip through with the 50 plants houseplants exemption when they hand carry them---mail or courier is different. But even with that, you still should have CITES. The exemption is really only for the phyto certificate. But many people get through. But it is no guarantee. I hate to disappoint you Jean, but the COC summary by Marilyn Light, which you call excellent, is at least 4 years old. It still lists as Appendix I species: Cattleya trianaei and Vanda coerulea, both were moved from App. I to App. II. (C. trianaei was moved after the CITES CoP 13 in 2004) Also, Marilyn's summary does not list as App I species Aerangis ellisii. Using someone's summary chart is wise, for it saves many hours of research and reading through boring government directives. However, no matter who's summary chart you use, always verify the information first hand from the on-line Government Documents. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] posting my Canada Orchid Importation Chart
Hi Tennis, In 2006 I made a chart of all possible orchid imports to Canada and the importation documents required in each case. It may not be 100% accurate today, for I have not updated it since 2006: that is why I prefer not to post the chart. I request that anyone who receives my chart does not post it either. The on line Canada Government references mentioned in the chart, will allow you to update the chart where needed. If you like me to send the chart to your private e-mail address, please contact me off forum and I will be happy to send it to you. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Off topic: Help me identify a weed?
Julia, I believe Steve found the genus for you. Here is a picture posted on the internet as lespedeza condensata. It looks similar to your flower. http://www.k-state.edu/fergusonlab/lespedeza.jpg peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] MSU fertilizer source in Canada
Bladomero who asked: Does anybody know where I can get MSU Orchid fertiliser in Canada. Sorry, I do not know a Canadian Source , however there is an MSU 13-3-15-8Ca fertilizer source in the USA willing to ship to Canada. Find the details here:http://www.growinhydro.com/21332.html Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Fw: Re; MSU fertilizer source in Canada ( correction)
Correction: The old URL I posted a few minutes ago seems no longer active I found this one instead, same company: http://www.growinhydro.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=20Itemid=46 Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Name changes
Right on, David!! I agree with you. Peter Taxonomy is an arena for scientific debate. snip My personal observations of the game ... plants can't read, and knowing the latest score does not make you a better grower. David Janvrin ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Len Henschel's response to quarantine all purchased orchids
Hi Len,Sorry to hear your sad story. Not knowing all the details, I am guessing that you had a case of bacterial rot caused by water left in crowns and leaf axels overnight of both, the new arrivals and other plants of different genera in your collectionthat also died.If you believe you purchased diseased plants that infected other plants in your collection, then you obviously did not quarantine the new arrivals. Your sad experience reinforces what I said,quarantine all purchased orchids.Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] QUARANTINE ALL PURCHASED ORCHIDS
Avoid heartaches and financial losses. 1. Purchase orchids species/hybrids from reputable vendors, and /or experienced in-vitro propagators. 2. Be extra careful when purchasing in a foreign country; don't be blinded by low prices or sweet talk. 3. Do not purchase when they look strange, not even when a little strange 4 Most important of all, QUARANTINE all newly acquired plants, until you are convinced they are healthy and clean Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Concerning new combinations in the genus Cattleya
Tennis, You may find some useful information in Neodiversity, which is a journal of neotropical biodiversity. It's latest issue of March 10 2008 contains an article by Cassio van den Berg, New Combinations In The Genus Cattleya Lindl. (Orchidaceae) Here is the URL to that article, in pdf. http://www.neodiversity.org/articles/neod3102.pdf Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchid Seed Viability
Harvey, Orchid seeds when released from the capsule have a moisture content too high for long term storage. Even when stored at a temperature of 5C, viability rapidly decreases. The optimum seed moisture content for long term storage, maintaining viability, is 5 to 6 %, obtained through a very specific drying process. Dried seeds are stored in small air tight containers at 41 F (fridge door) Please contact by e-mail for more details. Peter Harvey who wrote: These seeds are stored at about -80C, I believe. We have had no success in germinating orchid seeds that have been stored at this temperature. Does anyone out there know of any work done with orchid seed viability, particularly long-term and/or of seeds stored at very low temps? ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Kocide 101
Ron who asked about Kocide 101 It is a fungicide/bactericide wettable powder Copper Hydroxide* 77% (by weight) Inert ingredients 23% (by weight) * metallic copper equivalent 50% see: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/syllabi/325/schedule/Pest%20Management/Chemical%20Application%20%20Safety/Kocide%20101.pdf ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] 19th WOC pictures
Some excellent 19th WOC pictures can be found here: http://flickr.com/photos/minicatt/sets/72157603794773297/detail/ peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Seeds in sugar solution
Mark who asked: How long is this? 24 hrs for seeds from my own plants; 48 hrs for all other seeds. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Sterilizing orchid seeds
Aaron who said: A good starting place is 10% bleach solution (commercial bleach locally being a 6% solution of sodium hypochlorite in water) for 10-15 minutes; rinse 1-2 times with sterile distilled water, and deposit on fresh medium. This statement may be somewhat confusing to some people. In Canada the Household Bleach solution you purchase in the store for use with laundry etc. has 5.25% Available Chlorine (5.25% AC) In a laboratory, when talking about sterilizing seeds in a 10% bleach solution, one refers to that store bought bleach (sodium hypochlorite) watered down to 10% of its strength, which results in a 0.525% AC solution. To make the sterilizing solution, take 9 parts of distilled water and add 1 part of the store bought 5.25% AC sodium hypochlorite to it.. Less confusing is to express sterilizing solutions in %AC. In terms of available chlorine we say the sodium hypochlorite solution we made and use for sterilizing seeds has about 0.5% AC (rounded off, one half percent AC ) One must always be aware, when dealing with very contaminated seeds, that increasing the duration of sterilizing times may at some point kill the embryo before contaminants are killed. (not desirable) In my lab we soak seeds first in a sugar solution to germinate the contaminants so they are easier to kill. We use a calcium hypochlorite solution of 0.3% AC and sterilize orchid seeds for 15 minutes. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] FW: TAXON
Kenneth Do you know where we may find Eric Christenson's response(s) to the TAXON articles? Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] CITES etc.
Oliver who said: Renanthera imschootiana was arranged in huge sprays with seasonal red berries and Bergenia leaves, placed in great blocks in the many, many hotel lobbies. It was certainly not be native-grown, but is unless I am mistaken is an Annex 1 species. It is indeed an Appendix 1 species. The ones you saw can be legal: a) If flowers or flowering plants were imported with valid CITES documents b) If flowers come from mature plants raised from flasked seedlings imported from a licensed nursery in the species' country of origin. See CITES APP 1 Orchid species listed below: ORCHIDACEAE spp. 7 #1 (For all of the following Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers are not subject to the provisions of the Convention) Aerangis ellisii Dendrobium cruentum Laelia jongheana Laelia lobata Paphiopedilum spp. Peristeria elata Phragmipedium spp. Renanthera imschootiana peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Jerry's CITES proposals
Jerry Fischer who said: The SQUEEZE, as you call it is unfortunately being put on producers of artificially propagated plants as well as traders in wild specimens. There needs to be a distinction and a separation of the two. That is what my proposal is about. I have read your proposal version 2 on your website. Unfortunately, in some countries, the propagators of legal in-vitro specimen plants are also the traders in wild specimens. They will use their status as a legal propagators to hide the illegal actions behind. Phragmipedium kovachii, which you mention, is a perfect example of this. I do mean mature plants leaving Peru illegally, thousands of them, for to date INRENA has not issued a single CITES Export permit for them. CITES rules, amendments, changes, etc. are voted on by all member countries at the CITES CONVENTION OF THE PARTIES. Your CITES Proposals must be submitted to the US CITES Management Auhtority. Neither you, nor the AOS, have direct input to the CITES Convention of the Parties Agenda. The way I see it, your main problem appears to be with the US CITES Management Authority, putting their own interpretation on CITES rules. I do agree with Peter O'Byrne on this. Peter, in case you do not know it, needs no lessons from any of us on how CITES works. Peter Croezen ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Jerry's CITES proposals
Jerry Fischer who said: The SQUEEZE, as you call it is unfortunately being put on producers of artificially propagated plants as well as traders in wild specimens. There needs to be a distinction and a separation of the two. That is what my proposal is about. I have read your proposal version 2 on your website. Unfortunately, in some countries, the propagators of legal in-vitro specimen plants are also the traders in wild specimens. They will use their status as a legal propagators to hide the illegal actions behind. Phragmipedium kovachii, which you mention, is a perfect example of this. I do mean mature plants leaving Peru illegally, thousands of them, for to date INRENA has not issued a single CITES Export permit for them. CITES rules, amendments, changes, etc. are voted on by all member countries at the CITES CONVENTION OF THE PARTIES. Your CITES Proposals must be submitted to the US CITES Management Auhtority. Neither you, nor the AOS, have direct input to the CITES Convention of the Parties Agenda. The way I see it, your main problem appears to be with the US CITES Management Authority, putting their own interpretation on CITES rules. I do agree with Peter O'Byrne on this. Peter, in case you do not know it, needs no lessons from any of us on how CITES works. Peter Croezen ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] 'Rhein Blue'
Somebody had a plant on the show table containing the grex that was being sold under the clone name 'Rhein Blue.' Anybody remember the correct name? There could be different hybrids with the same clonal name. If the flowers looked like those of a Zygopetalum it probably was Zygocolax 'Rhein Blue'. See a picture here: http://www.wickfordorchids.com/orchid_genera_for_sale.htm peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] illegal plants
. K Barrett, who writes:: reminds me of the story of a couple (European?) Peruvian and American who witnessed a pickup truck load of Phrag kovachii plants, ripped from the forest Seven rice/coffee sacks full in a truck some scant weeks after Kovach brought his plant to light. Seven months after Kovach purchased his. The couple had stopped for lunch (or shopping?) walked to the hotel in a small Peruvian town, orchid city Peru, not small, named Moyobamba came out of the resturant/shop and saw the truckload. arrived at the hotel and saw the sacks in a truck parked in front of the hotel Quickly they agreed on a plan. Lee never talked about a plan, there was no plan One person was to guard the truck from departing while no one did guard the truck the other ran to get the cops. no one went to get the cops Of course by the time the person got back (sans police) the truck had gone. the truck drove off as soon as it was spotted by Peruvian and American However the guard believed s/he'd she was not a guard, she was the wife of the American glimpsed an important European collector/vendor in the vicinity of the truck but not actually associated with it. recognized the Peruvian farmer/ collector, the same one who sold Kovach the two Pk rumors regarding the vendor's identity and identity was announced by the American but the vendor/collector was never truly identified, but he was identified for the American and his wife know him personally. the plants never came to light, but they did, they were shown in a hotel in Tarapoto 60 miles away, and shown on the local TV nor as far as I know were they ever sold. they were sold to two large orchid vendors, one in Peru; the other in Ecuador The story was told by Lee Moore, the American, I have it on file and will be pleased to send it anyone who wants to read it. Contact me off OGD via e-mail. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] illegal plants
The exact date is perhaps not important in the story, however when I said Seven months after Kovach purchased his. I meant to say one year and seven months ( December 2003.) Kovach purchased his two plants from farmer/collector Faustino Medina Bautista end May 2002. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Legal and Illegal orchids
Colin who wrote; I can only assume that orchids from other countries exist around the world, all collected and exported before CITES was ever thought of. Of course they exist and they can be removed by the orchid police, as happened in 1988 to Bosha Popow, a well known German breeder of Lady's slippers. Almost 8000 breeding plants were confiscated. You can read it in Eric Hansen's book Orchid Fever ISBN 0-679-45141-2 peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] ALGAE CONTROL
Ray B who said: I grow most of my potted plants in semi-hydroponics using clear-to-translucent pots, and since that is a constantly moist and nutritious environment, algae is a fact of life. I too grow some orchids in semi-hydroponics using diatomite and clear pots, which make it easy to check the water level, but will allow algae to grow all around the exposed side and top surfaces. Fact of life is correct. However, since I have set the clear pots inside a slightly larger green flower pot , I have totally eliminated algae from the pot side and only get a few spots of algae on the top surface. Algae is no longer a problem and there is no need to spray. peter . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Illegal imports
Out of all the shipments globally in a year, just how high do you suppose the incidents of intentional vs, unintentional law breaking do you suppose there might be? Regards/Roger, in Bangkok Roger no one knows the exact figure, but I imagine the ratio is much higher than one. Let's just consider one of many factors that go into the equation. In the case of Phragmipedium kovachii there are at this moment FIFTEEN legal mature plants plus their divisions in two Peruvian nurseries, actively propagating all the legal seedlings in the world. With an estimated THREE THOUSAND illegal Phragmipedium kovachii plants smuggled out of Peru to countries all over the world, plants for which huge sums of money were paid, many of which, no doubt, reached propagators and reached them one year before the two Peruvian nurseries got their legal plants, I venture to guess that the illegal seedlings easily outnumber the legal ones by a factor of twenty to one hundred. How this translates into a ratio you are looking for, I leave up to you. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Let's put our energy in saving all species; never mind the hybrids.
Peter O'Byrne who writes: This would indeed be prudent, because the authorities are indeed preparing to act. Page 265 of the current (Sept-Oct 2007) edition of The Orchid Review contains the following warning: it is common knowledge that in addition to INRENA certified P. kovachii plants, many others have been removed illegally from the wild and smuggled abroad. Some growers in possession of uncertified material are said to be growing second generation P. kovachii hybrids. As a result the RHS, as International Cultivar Registration Authority for Orchid Hybrids, has decided that all future applications to register hybrids involving P. kovachii must be accompanied by copies of the appropriate CITES and INRENA documentation. Peter, as you know, I was speaking about Phragmipedium kovachii the species. I could not care less about the hybrids. However, the Orchid Review article you quote is a smoke screen. Why is this new rule just for Phragmipedium kovachii and not for all Lady's Slipper species They are all on CITES Appendix I. It just does not make any sense, unless you know what preceded this ill conceived decision for one species. By believing and acting on lies submitted by sour grapes Pragmipedium kovachii competition of CJM, who in registering Phrag kovachii hybrids were beaten to the punch by CJM's Glen Decker and Alfredo Manrique, Julian Shaw, the Orchid Registrar, made the mistake of nullifying their properly registered legal Phragmipedium kovachii hybrid. When Julian finally realized that he should not have acted on lies and realized that he was taken for a ride, he reversed his decision back to the correct one, namely that CJM and Piping Rock's Glen Decker were first in registering the Phrag. kovachii hybrids made in the INRENA licensed, number one legal Phragmipedium kovachii nursery, Centro de Jardineria Manrique. Orchid registration with all its faults and uncertainties has worked fine for all these years; it will still work fine today without the need for all this extra paperwork brought on by lies and dishonest people dealing with just one species. peter . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Alfredo Manrique
The question was asked, Who is Alfredo Manrique? Alfredo Manrique is the owner operator of Centro de Jardineria Manrique in Lima Peru. Alfredo is a very knowledgeable and most honest propagator / vendor of Phragmipedium kovachii and was the first Peruvian chosen by INRENA to collect five legal mature Phragmipedium kovachii plants from a designated habitat for the purpose of artificially propagating this magnificent species in his nursery and laboratory. Alfredo was issued INRENA license 001. Phragmipedium kovachii seedlings propagated at CJM nurseries are legally exported from Peru with permits supplied by INRENA (The Peruvian Department of Natural Resources and CITES auhtority.) In the USA the distributor of these legal CJM Phragmipedium kovachii seedlings is Glen Decker. In Canada the distributor is Peter Croezen. Both Glen and Peter issue legal Pk certificates with every Phragmipedium kovachii seedling order. Glen and Peter send INRENA a list of all legal certificates issued. If customers decide to sell their legal Phragmipedium kovachii seedlings within North America, it would be prudent for them to supply each purchaser with a photocopy of their own legal certificate, write the name of purchaser and number of seedlings purchased on that photocopy and and sign it. This way the new owners have proof that their Phragmipedium kovachii was obtained legally, just in case some authorty should question it. Phragmipedium kovachii seedlings purchased without a legal certificate are likely illegal, propagated from mature plants smuggled into North America. Mature Phragmipedium kovachii plants, no matter in which country they are purchased, are Illegal plants, for to date Peru's INRENA has not issued a single export document for mature Phragmipedium kovachii plants. Phragmipedium kovachii mature plants purchased either inside, or outside Peru, are illegal plants for which no legal export permit can be obtained. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Bleach for sterilizing pots.
Cody, Answers to part of your questions can be found in the OGD archives. From May 7 to 20, 2005, Dr. Bert Pressman wrote seven OGD posts on sterilizing pots etc. in 10% chlorine solutions. If you can not find these posts, I gladly forward them to you by e-mail. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Chnages in OGD
Icones who said, I think the list is very worthwhile and should be kept, as much as possible, the way it is. Surely there is some place for the OGD. Kenneth,I fully agree with icones and repeat his question to you. Would a small donation from the members help?Peter. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] in-vitro seedlings and CITES
Jerry Fischer who said: Being that the system that is place doesn't work now we should just forget about trying to regulate flasks. It can't be done. On this point I agree with you Jerry. I would add to can't be done, and should not be done. In my opinion, flasks should not be regulated at all, if we are serious about orchid conservation. Mass in-vitro propagation of any orchid species, but particularly of an endangered one, should be encouraged in order to preserve the species; regulating flasks discourages this and works against conservation. There are those who will argue that seed collecting of endangered orchid species should be discouraged. I disagree, for collecting seeds of wild populations is less threatening to the species than digging them up. Mass propagation from collected seeds preserves the species, brings the price down and discourages wild collecting of plants by making it non-profitable. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Revolutionary CITES proposal for nursery certification
Jerry Lee Fischer who said: The CITES treaty clearly states that any and all orchid seedlings traded in vitro are exempt from CITES regulations as long as a phyto accompanies them. Jerry I do not believe what you say is totally accurate. It is my understanding that besides sterile in-vitro certification, phytosanitary documents as you mention, there is another requirement for Appendix I orchid seedlings in-vitro crossing International borders. CITES Appendix 1 orchid species seedlings in-vitro must have been Artificially Propagated from seeds of legally collected parents.(A.P.as per CITES definition) Example: In the case of Phragmipedium kovachii this is taken care of if the Pk in-vitro orchid seedlings were obtained from an INRENA licensed Pk nursery like Centro de Jardineria Manrique, who's INRENA Pk collecting permit # is 001. However, if an INRENA registered Pk nursery uses seeds from plants other than the legally collected ones, the in-vitro seedlings are illegal. Finally, I believe we may conclude that CITES Appendix I orchid seedlings in-vitro, are illegal, if propagated from illegal plants, or obtained from a nursery not licensed to AP propagate the CITES Appendix I species. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Internet Orchid Forums
Rick who says: No recollection of online orchid discussions should neglect to offer acknowledgements and gratitude to Willis Dair, creator of OLD and the godfather of subsequent forums. How quickly we forget! I doubt that any OLD subscriber has forgotten Willis, or is not thankful for the effort he put into OLD. When our OLD posts failed to come to us in the usual Digest, and OLD went SILENT without any explanation from Willis, believe me, many of us tried to find out the reasons. Our private e-mails to Willis went unanswered. I believe Troy Meyers,a close friend of Willis, tried to find out. I never heard that he did. Perhaps Willis just wanted to disappear from the forum scene? If you know the answer, please tell us Rick. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] OGD is the best
When orchid forum OLD stopped in October of 1998, a small group of its subscribers, which included Kenneth Bruininckx, Troy Meyers, myself, and others, started private e-mail discussions. For several months the forming of a new forum, now known as the OGD, was tossed around. Lucky for us, Kenneth offered to set it all up and be the list owner. The OGD was launched on April 15, 1999. Kenneth has not only proven to be a very efficient list owner, he has also shown that as a moderator, he has the maturity, the patience and the wisdom, unparalleled by any other orchid forum moderator in the world, which makes him and this forum unique. We have attracted many of best qualified orchid contributors in the world, from which we all benefit immensely. Eric Muehlbauer, your post Beginners of Mar 13, 2007 is right on!! peter___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Cultivation
Does anyone have any info on what Orchid would be a nice easy starter plant and possible to as to growing medium, light requirements and so on I would need to propagate them from seed. Ewan, you will not want to grow them from seeds, which is not as easy as you may believe it is. I like to suggest that you purchase a very helpful booklet that answers many of the basic questions you have. It is not very expensive and will answer your questions quicker than doing it via e-mail or OGD posts. The booklet is: All About Orchids, ISBN: 0897214242 an Ortho series booklet you can find in any Barnes and Noble store or on the internet: www.bn.com peter___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Silence
Barbara, Your OGD post about Chuck and myself contained false allegations against me.. When challenged, by both myself and by Dot, to substantiate your false claims, you elected to remain silent. It proves that you are unable to back up your false allegations. To say that you did not have time is not very believable, when you did have time to create another post re the Phrag Haley Decker Timeline. Instead of an apology, you elected to publicize a private e-mail from me to you, in your post Silence on this forum, without asking me for permission. It shows a lack of common courtesy and poor judgement on your part. peter___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Publishing private e-mail on the web
Common courtesy is to ask for permission to publish private e-mails. Here is an interesting discussion about owner ship and copyright of private e-mails: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum44/1500.htm It contains the following statements: It is very risky publishing private emails without permission, for e-mails are protected by copyright Emails are like letters...the copy you receive becomes your property, the copyright remains the property of the writer. In the USA, the legal liability is found in Title 17 of the United States Code Chapter 5. Fines per infringement can be as high as $ 150,000.- ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchids Digest, Vol 9, Issue 94, Mijo730 at aol.com
Mijo Mike, You are addressing the wrong person, it is Barbara's post, talk to her. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Barbara onece again
Barbara, referring to me again, says: There was a time when you would not believe that anyone could have a seedling of Pk almost 12 a while back I remember your posting that nonsense.I knew then, what you have only learned recently, namely that Pk seedlings grow extremely slow and Pk hybrids grow very fast. That 12 seedling you pushed as proof of superior Pk growing, was in fact a hybrid even if had been 6 inches, it did not have the characteristics of a Pk seedling, which you would also not know. Amazing how you change your assumptions from one extreme to the other. Then you believed a Peruflora Pk seedling could be 12, and today, one half year later, you do not believe that a CJM Pk hybrid can be 12 plus and flower. You were wrong then, and you are wrong now. Who truly cares that an unknown in the slipper world disagrees with an expert like Jerry Fischer, who knows that CJM won the Pk hybrid race fair and square. I respect Jerry for his expertise and honesty. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Scroll
Dr. Phil who writes: No offence meant, but do you theink that we could please have a Pk-free day or so? I have a Pk of 12, and rising at the moment. Phil, no offence meant either, please do what most of us have learned to do, scroll past what does not interest you, or has saturated you, and let people have their discussions. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dot's Post re Chuck
Dot I am certain Barbara is a very nice and honest person. I have a problem with her logic She decides which Pk vendor is honest and which Pk vendor is dishonest, while she truly has no knowledge of the Peruvian families the way my Peruvian friends have. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Barbara , Barabara, .........?????
Barabara who, referring to me, says: It is unfortunate that this person and his partners sold so many immature flasks that later died. Barbara why do you participate in a discussion when you have not a clue? What is your agenda? As the sole distributor for Canada only, I have no partners and have never offered any Pk flasks for sale nor sold a single one. I only sell de-flasked Pk seedlings of compot size and delivery is not until May 07. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Barbara on Phrag. Haley Decker
Barbara who said: I am impressed that Glen has raised this to bloom so quickly. Where is this plant? Does it reside in Peru or here in the US? If it exists in the US, how could it have come from flasks imported in 2005? I and others know how long it takes to do this from flask. Can someone clarify this timeline? The reason I am interested is that so much has been made of the legality of flasks and plants, it just seems to me that it is way too early to be seeing blooming hybrids from flasks that were done legally. Barbara, once again do your homework before you raise doubt about Glen's honesty. What you are doing is mixing up CJM's excellent hybrids with those of the competition Jerry Fischer, excellent Phragmipedium grower, (note!!! Vendor for the competition, )here is what he said in a recent post on another forum: I need to make a correction. In an earlier post I stated that Glen Decker from Piping Rock Orchids brought flasks of kovachii and kovachii hybrids into the U.S. in March of 06. That is incorrect. They were brought in the month of Dec. 05 so it is quite possible to have hybrid plants in bud at this time. My apologies to Glen and members of Slippertalk. Sincerely, Jerry Lee Fischer ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Marriott who??
Graham, who says: And Manolo approached you, as if he?d give a damn to talk to you? I do not know you, my friends do not know you. You live a world away, you do not know me, you never purchased anything from me, we never met, you were not present at the Manolo incident. Please tell me and OGDers what is the real reason for your unwarranted insults thrown my way. you say: Enemy: A disgraceful word that only exists in souls full of hate. Indeed, you soul is full of hate, and your post is a disgrace. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] First Legal Pk hybrid in bloom
Congratulations! The first legal Pk hybrid is in bloom. It originated in Peru's legal Pk nursery, Centro de Jardineria Manrique, through the combined efforts of Alfredo Manrique, Glen Decker and Fritz Schomberg. Phragmipedium kovachii x Phragmipedium Saint Ouen, will be registered as Phragmipedium Haley Decker. Flower opening pictures by Ron Rayher can be viewed here: http://home.golden.net/~orchids ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] KATHY and Gods
To answer your question, if a God had to be replaced it must have been an AOS judge who died. Jean Allen Ikeson and I have been friends in orchids for many years. I have come to know Jean as a wonderful person, who always made rational decisions when she lived nearby. Of course you did not know that Kathy, you make a lot of comments on that which you are in the dark about. A few years ago Jean decided to move to Nova Scotia, a long distance from here; yet we have maintained contact with each other and only one month ago my entire orchid collection was practically donated to her orchid society. Jean also became a student AOS judge. When I read her long post over what I consider a simple fact that is a positive consequence of AOS judging I disagreed with her. Which, by the way, is allowed among friends and on the OGD. When I saw her sign off with Jean Allen-Ikeson who is fuming in Nova Scotia, Canada the fuming part bothered me, for such is not normal for rational Jean. Could it be that teachers in the AOS judging program impress upon their students that AOS judges are Gods in the orchid world? I do not know, truly. Thank God that most AOS judges I know are not like that.. I told her to stop the fuming. This non issue is just not worth getting excited about. Finally Kathy, you may think you are smart, but valium is not going to solve your thinking impairment, you have to get the knots out of your AOS under garments to restore blood circulation. peter___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Nonsense, Jean
Jean who wrote: Here is the comment by Andy Easton, that was then picked up by Marc and converted to AOS awards that you then added to: Iris had better watch her typing finger or with the defamatory comments she made about Sun Bulb, she might have to cough up some serious dollars. They are a fine old reputable company and well suited to receive the product endorsement by AOS. Sorry, you better get your facts straight, I did not make that comment about Iris. Calm down, stop fuming, write brief and clear replies and accept reality. When a vendor gets his plants awarded by the AOS, he knows he will make money of it. If you elect to stick your head in the sand about this, so be it. Please do not assign statements to me that were made by others. peter___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] AOS awarded plants
Jean Allen Ikeson Your comments are wasteful and misdirected. No suggestion was made, by either myself, or Marc, that the AOS judging is crooked and deliberately aimed at aiding commercial vendors of orchids. We all know this is not true and we do not need to read the AOS handbook on judging to know it. It is a well known fact, among all who grow orchids, that AOS awarded plants, whether these are sold by individuals at local orchid society meetings, or by commercial orchid vendors, are more desirable and fetch more money than non-awarded plants. Thus whether you like it or not, AOS awards do endorse plants on the sales table. It is puzzling that you, as a student AOS judge, take offence at a by-product of AOS judging excellence. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Chuck Acker
It is reported on Slipper Talk Forum that Chuck Acker has sent a letter of apology to all who purchased his Peruflora Pk seedlings. see: http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=29466#post29466 Apparently Chuck found out that the Peruflora Pk seedlings, already in compots in his greenhouse, were not Pk. With his letter of apology, Chuck included a refund cheque for the deposit made. It was I who in 2005 warned people on orchid forums that a reliable Lima source told me that Peruflora could not possibly propagate the number of Pk flasks they sold from five legal Pk plants. The suggestion was made that therefore Peruflora would have to have purchased Pk seeds from illegal plants outside their nursery. I received a lot of flack over this and was told that I did not know what I was talking about. Soon after, I received another message from Lima telling me that an enemy of the Arias family had managed to have someone sell Manolo Pk seeds which were in fact seeds of another Phragmipedium species. Knowing my sources to be very reliable, I publicly announced that the Peruflora's Pk species labels are unreliable, if seeds were purchased, and if indeed it was true that non-Pk seeds were sold to them, the seedlings in their flasks may not at all be Pk. Again I was blasted for this by many, publicly and privately. Last May while at the Redland International Orchid Festival, a very angry Manolo Arias stormed into the sales booth (tent) I was in, directed there by one of his friends who talked to me in the line up for the festival BBQ for vendors. Manolo told me that I was spreading false rumours about Peruflora when I stated on orchid forums, which he monitors, that their Pk flasks may not contain Pk seedlings but other species. Well, we now know that my friends and I did not lie but told the truth and that all who contradicted me on the forums truly did not know what they were talking about. Believe me I take no pleasure in this. I feel terribly sorry for all who got stung by this. Chuck Acker did the honourable thing and I expected no less from him. His business will not suffer, quite the opposite will result. peter___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS awards
Marc Excellent point and you are absolutely correct. peter Correct me if I am wrong but the AOS has been endorsing plants for yearsI believe the endorsements are called HCC, AM, and FCC Several orchid retailers and growers are now marketing along these lines of award winning plants. marc ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phrag. kovachii Viateur
Though Glenn did visit the Pk habitat, he did not bring this species from the jungles of Peru. The Pk seedlings he and I offer for sale were artificially propagated in the legal Pk nursery Centro de Jardineria Manrique in Lima Peru and legally imported into the United States and Canada. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Pk seedlings
Peter, I agree that illegal mature Pk are being traded all over the world. However, what Glenn and I are offering for sale are Pk seedlings with a leaf span of less than 10 cm and yes, these are from legal flasks germinated more than three years ago,2003, by Alfredo Manrique in his legal Pk laboratory. We both supply legal Pk certificates with every sale, duplicate copies of which are returned to Alfredo Manrique in Lima for INRENA, the Peruvian CITES Authority. Peter who said: Amazing how quickly they grow (er ... from flask), isn't it ? ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] pebbles in trays for humidity
Hi Sjean,In an open air environment it may not even make a 2% difference in RH. If the tray is covered witha clear plastic dome, the RH can be controlled very nicely, up to a very high value, by opening or closingthe air vents in the top. If there are no vents, cut some in the dome and use strips of tape to open and close them.peterSjean who said:..trays of water with pebbles to keep the pots out of the water, yet I seem to recall reading somewhere that this doesn't help raise the humidity at all. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Peru , 1 of 2 OGD Vol 8 issue 349
part 1 of 2 Many books could be written, about all that has happened with and around Phragmipedium kovachii,since its discovery four years ago. In 1990, Manual Arias Silva had a flaskingfacility. In 1996 he stated in a lecture that he had stopped his in-vitropropagation of orchids, due to certain difficulties he faced running a laboratory. In 2000, when I and two Peruvian friends had a three hours tour of the Arias orchid growing facilities in Lima, guided by Manuel, he showedus a tiny room, possibly used for flasking a long time ago, but non-functional then. InDecember of 2004,Manuel Arias told one of myPeruvianfriends that all the Phragmipediums he exported in 2004, with INRENA permits, were propagated by division from the large number of Mother plants he collected prior to the time CITES was enforced. In May of 2003, when Manuel Arias obtained INRENA permit 002 to collect his five legal Pk plants from the habitat for the purpose of in-vitro propagation, he did not have a functioning laboratory. Though Iinformed INRENA of several orchid laboratories in Lima that were perfectly capable of starting Pk propagation in 2002, they were not issued a permit.. It was not until November 2003that Manuel investedheavily in a new laboratory, by purchasing laminar flow hood units from Singapore. He thenstarted amassive program of in-vitro culture, after some members of his family, or staff, were invited to learn in-vitropropagation techniques in England. Peruvian species orchids propagated from seeds in November of 2003, will not be full size plantstoday, October 2006. Bill, it really does not matter todaythat Arias did some flaskingin the 80's. The Moores are correct, it is impossible for the 352 full size orchid species, offered for sale by Arias today, to have been started from seedsin their laboratory that opened less than three years ago. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Peru, 2 of 2 OGD Vol 8 issue 349
part 2 of 2 Alfredo Manrique, the first Peruvian selected by INRENA to propagate Pk in-vitro fromfive legally collected Pk plants and nowan expert Pk grower,fully agrees with the Moores that there simply is no way one can produce 800 flasks from fivelegal Pk plants in such a short time.What makes it even less likelyis the fact that Manuel Arias divided his five legal plants intotoo many divisions;limiting floweringseverely. The proof of thisis in the pictures taken of his Pk plants in the last two years by INRENA.What many do not know is that INRENA, since 2004,kept a picture archive of all the Pk plants collected legally, taking pictures of the plants two or three times a year. Peruflora or Peruanino have no orchid nurseries, they are exportersofManuelArias' orchids and in charge of the in-vitro lab. In 2002,as a non- Peruvian, I was concerned about the survival of the species and suggested toINRENA that they immediately start an in-vitropropagation program for Pk. I knew of several laboratories in Peru who actively propagated orchids in-vitro. Government wheels of progress turn slowly, it tookanother full year, till 2003, before artificial propagation of Pk was started. Iknow of one other non-Peruvian whoalso was concerned, Miss Angela Mirro, who generously donated the proceeds of her first painting ofPk to the Lima based Club Peruano de Orquideas, for the purpose of establishing a Pk conservation program. Some failures ofPeru in connection with Pk are that they didlittle to stop the total depletion ofthebig Pk habitats andthey hadno plans formarketing the Pk species in such a way that it would benefit the small vendors living in the Pk habitat area, who up to this day live on less than US$ 50.- per month and sell Pk plants illegally at US$ 7.- each. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Peru
Concerning the Lee and Zadith Moore letter posted on this forum Oct 10, 2006, by SheriffOrr. I was not at all surprised at what Lee andZadithMoore said in their letter, concerning theArias "laboratory" and their doubt that the Peruflora Pk seedlings sold are genuine Pk. This has all been said before, bothin Peru and outside its borders. The difference this time is that it is being said by the Moores, who have lived and collected orchids in Peru for over 45 years; who know every orchid collector and every vendor in the area they live and workin, Moyobamba, Peru, near where the Pk habitats once were. Theyknow Manuel Arias very well, havinggone on orchid collecting trips with Manuelfor many years. Lee is highly respected in the orchid world; he has discovered many new orchid species and other plantspecies, several were named after him. Leehasbeen awarded many honours by many biological institutes.The most recent one on October 4, 2006 I will post in a message right after this one. Finally, Lee has never been afraid to speak out and put it in writing. Whatever Lee says about Peru, Peruvian people and Peruvian orchids, you better believe he knows what he is talking about, as does his wife Zadith, who is Peruvian born. To Bill Bergstrom who said: "Manuel started flasking in the 80s..I spent many a day (sometimes a month at a time) at Manuel's house..and I can assure you that he had a very nice flasking operation going even then." 1) Exactly wherewas that "Manuel Arias flasking lab" located, when youvisited it in the 80's? 2) Was this lab at his home, or at his greenhouses complex in Lima? 3) Have you visited that labsince 1995 and what did you find as far as number of flasks? 4) Have you visitedthe Arias Pk propagation labsince 2002? Bill, youalso said: "...and I can also assure you that the K seedlings are genuine..." 5) How can you be so certain; what proof do you have for those who purchased them and are worried? peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Lee Moore, selected Into Madison Who's Who
- Original Message - From: Madison Who's WhoTo: Leeman R MooreSent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 5:12 AMSubject: Your Selection Into Madison Who's WhoHaving problems viewing this message? Click here to view it on the web.Dear Leeman R Moore, Iam delighted to announce your nomination by the Governing Board ofEditors of the Madison Who's Who of Executives and Professionals to be an honored biographical candidate in the 2006-2007 edition. The Institute'sInternational Board of research decided on your nomination due to researchon individual accomplishments and contributions to society. Based on many years of excellent reference and research compilation, the institute remains an authoritative figure in the field of noting significant accomplishments. We have reviewed the endeavors of men and women around the world because of our research division reaching out to business libraries, educational institutions, and research centers worldwide. Much deliberation was held to choose those whose achievements and dedication toward exemplary goals were the best we have seen. Upon final confirmation, you will be listed among thousands of accomplished professionals in the Madison Who's Who Registry. For accuracy and publication deadlines please return to us your application form within five business days from the receipt of this letter. There is no cost to be included. On behalf of the Managing Director, we wish you continued success. We do require additional information to complete the selection process and kindly ask that you access this form on our website at: http://www.madisonwhoswho.com/basiclisting/r/01004ee Or you can manually enter this address into your web browser: http://www.madisonwhoswho.com/basiclisting Sincerely, Matthew Johnson Managing Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Madison Who's Who is not associated or affiliated with Marquis Who's Who or any other Who's Who. Forward this email to a Friend One-Click Unsubscribe This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], by [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Update Address/Profile | Instant removal with One-Click Unsubscribe | Privacy Policy Madison Who's Who | 30-01 Northern Blvd | Long Island City | NY | US | 11365Powered By Elite Email Marketing - Try It For Free! ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] re kovachi
to Stephen who said: The accusation that the kovachii seedlings from Peruflora are possiblynot kovachii was once again made in OGD 8(348) in the letter RichardOrr posted from the Moore's correct. and reinforced by Peter Croezen in OGD 8(349). incorrect I believe I only asked Bill how he can be so certain it is genuine, when we all know people who worry that it is not. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] New Inrena law once more
The following appeared on a slipper orchidforum: I'm not sure what INRENA's motivations are in not allowing a seven year period to allow the building of propagation facilities. Maybe they are afraid that many would use the seven years to further strip habitats that are already in danger? In any case, habitats can best be protected by allowing controlled collection and propagation by reputable labs in the countries directly responsible for habitat protection. Whennurseriesin Peru,who's only source of income is orchid export, find it easier to smuggle orchids than to comply with a law that bankrupts them, they will smuggle! Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] New INRENA law
Valid today, it went in effect as soon as it was announced July 13 2006. Also read what Phragfan has to say about who is claimed to be behind this. http://www.slipperorchidforum.com/ scroll down to Posting about new INRENA and click on it. OK!!??? I do not know if I have missed out on this completely?! But is this law just at the proposal stage or in fact a law valid as of today? Does anyone KNOW? peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Illuminometer
Hi, Iam trying to finda copy of theuser manual for a Reed K7020 illuminometer. If you have one, or know where I can get one, please contact me off forum. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Imadichloprid
Paul who asked: I live in Canada and I would like to get Imadichloprid to control scaleand mealy bug. Does anyone know if this product is available in Canada?Plant Products Canada situated in Brampton Ontario carry it under the name of INTERCEPT 60 WP find it on this page of their catalogue: http://www.plantprod.com/EN/catalogue/12MiteInsecticides.html peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] WONDERLITE
Since 1994 I have been using 400W HPS and 400W MH in alternating positions. These are on/off 14/10, in the basement with no daylight entering the growing room.The lights have multi faceted reflectors are 4feet apart and 4 feet above the bench surface. Light intensity at bench level directly belowthe HPS is about 1000 ft candles and below the MH 900 ft candles.At the edges of a 64 inch wide bench the light intensity at bench levelis about 500 foot candles.As you will know, at 2 feet from the lights the intensity will be aboutfour times higher and at one foot about sixteen times higher. I have no problems flowering many genera. For more details you may contact me offforum. I have no experience with Wonderlite 150W. Am not getting good blooming with my 250 metal-halide and am planning to add a WONDERLITE 150 watt. Any one used this bulb? m. Speeter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phragmipediums
Oliver, I was not being critical of your post, but merely gave another perspective of Phragmipedium habitats inPeru. The pictures you refer us toat URL http://www.trekperu.org/travel02.html. are absolutely wonderful; congratulations!! Picture # 3 shows a patch of Phragmipedium boissieranum (note spelling) photographed in sunlight, which isno proof they grow in full sun all day. South facingcliffs and wallsof East West Valleys, or along East West roads, shaded most of the day, may receive sunlight in the earlymorning and late afternoon; thus Phragmipediums growing on themcan be photographed in sunlight. The long leaf shadows, down and to the left of one P. boissieranum inthe # 3picture, more than likelyindicate that this plant was photographedon a south facing wall, or cliff, early in the morning. Travelling all dayfrom Moyobamba to Chachapoyas, searching the steep cliffs and walls along the road for orchids, we only found one patch of Phragmipedium boissieranum, though off road theygrow likeweeds wherever there is sufficient moisture for them. This single patch perhaps 10 x 10 meters, was on the south facing black "rock" wall(hardened thin layer of clay like substance) near the 405 km marker. I wasclimbing on thatblack "rock," to reach a hugeclump of Phragmipedium boissieranum about 2 meters up, when all of a sudden the "rock" gave way and I came down with it, sliding on and exposing thewet clay below it. (No, the orchids did not come down.) That clay remains wet from water that runs below the surface in that particular location.The Phragmipedium roots are in the clay, or inpockets of debris on its dried hard surface. Phragmipediums which grow in pockets of debris on these "rocks" often havelong roots growing out overthe exposed surface, for these roots are shaded and notdehydrated and killed by the sun. Thanks againfor the super pictures Oliver, theyan excellent window on travelling inNorthern Peru. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Something to consider
To TerryGlancywho writes: I have noticed a strange condition affecting my breedingprogram. On an average year, I might make 400 - 500 breeding attempts onmy Paphs, usually resulting in sending over 100 - 150 mature pods to thelabs. Our greenhouses were recovered with brand new polycarbonate sheetsseveral months before the hurricane season and I converted all thegreenhouses over to fan cool pads instead of the original natural ventilation. I remember you showing me in 2004 what the field fire fumes did to your plants, causing problems year after year. Could that problem, different from what you experience now, in fact have been caused by gases coming from thepanels affected by heat, rather than the fire fumes? I am wondering if your current problem may be caused by the two newmaterials you installed. Could it be that new polycarbonate panels and/or the new wet pad materials release gasesfans blow over the plants.? Were your temperatures elevated above normal in this hot summer we were having? Something to consider, though I may be way off base. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Phragmipediums
Oliver who writes: I've seen P besseae growing in Ecuador at ~6000 ft on a northeast-facing granite cliff. I am certain you have seen them there Oliver, this sunny NE location is probably tolerated becauseenough water flows past the roots. Most other species Phragmipedium that I have seen in Peru grow in semi shade, usually on South facing slopes of valleys, or near rivers in the shade of trees. I suspect that many species which are seen on cliffs not so much from preference as that they are there because that is the only place that goats and other browsers do not go. This may be true ina specific habitat. If indeed Phragmipedium species can have a preference, they are on certain cliffsfrom the preference for water; the place where the Phragmipedium seeds landed and were able to germinate due to the presence of water. Many cliff habitats of Phragmipedium species have no goats grazing on the flats above the cliffs. Still, Phrags are only found on the cliffs and noton the flats. They areon those cliffsbecause of the abundance of water that comestumbling down all year. Itcreatesafog; high humidity and runspast the Phragmipedium roots. I have collected roots in those habitats, these are usually very short and stubby for they do not have to search a large area for nutrients. The roots often showed an active symbiotic relationship, for they contained live fungal coils in the act of forming new pelotons. Thus it would appear that in addition to nutrients supplied by the water,some nutrients areprovided by the fungus. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] You be the judge part 1
It is abloody shamethat the smear campaign started against Alfredo Manrique in Peruin 2003 has now been expanded to theUSA. Alfredo is the owner of Centro de JardineriaManrique nursery in Lima Peru; he is a nice and totally honest man; liked instantly by everyone who meets him. In May 2002, after Kovach purchased his Big Red at a roadside orchidkiosk in Peru, between Moyobamba and Chachapoyas, the Pk rush started and resulted in all major habitats beingquickly depleted of all mature Pk and Pk seedlings..The last big habitat had an estimated 2000 mature Pk plants. Pictures of the Pk habitat destruction in my possession will make you cry. In May of 2003, one year after Kovach's purchase, Alfredo Manrique was issued INRENA Permit 001 to collect five mature Pk plants and start Artificial Mass Propagation.Knowing Alfredofrom some work I did in Peru, I knew INRENAhad made an excellent choice. It did not surprise me that soon after this event, Manuel Arias Silva obtained permit 002. Alfredo, being the man of action and integrity he is, immediately did all the necessary research in the Pk habitat andstarted the difficult task of Pk culture, having no experience of any kindto draw on. Theplants were moved from an elevation of 1900 meters a.b.s.l.to Lima at 200 m.a.s.l. Alfredo, learned very quickly how to grow his five plants, for he has studied botanyand has orchid nursery experience that allows him to quickly spotproblems and take appropriate actions. Many times in that first year he would write me of the changes in culture he had made One important finding inAlfredo's nursery was that Pk seed production is extremely poor, severely limiting the number of seedlings produced in one season. Alfredo never did purchase illegal seeds offered for sale, and he never will. That is the kind of man I know he is. Arias also obtained five plants, and from the flask sales that were published on the Peruflora website under the name Legal Pk Owners, now removed from that website, it was clear thatPeruflora's five Pk plants produced many times the number of seedsthat Alfredo's five Pk plants produced. The large quantity of flasks sold by Peruflora wasnoted not just by myself, but by many, including an orchid nursery owner in Moyobamba, who has collected orchidsin the Pk habitat area for more than 45 plus years; he knows the area like the back of his handand visited all the known Pk habitats from the day they were discovered until none were left. Hewrote me thatmiracles must be happening at Peruflora, for in his experience, the 2000 plus Pk plants in the habitat,together, could not produce that many seeds. (Peter O'Byrne, youknow it too! Thanks for your post.) see part 2 that follows ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] You be the judge part 2
part 2 The Pk propagation program at CJM experienced some problems,but these were overcome. When it was time to obtain Pk flask export permits from INRENA,Alfredo found out that complaints about hisPk operation had been received by INRENA, who of course had to follow up and inspect his premises. His Export permit was put on hold until the inspection and lab analysis were completed. When an inspection and analysiswas completed and the complaints were found to be unsubstantiated, new allegations of Alfredo's wrong doings arrived at INRENA. The end result was that Alfredo did not get his INRENA Export Permit until one full year after Peruflora got theirs. That is why Peruflora had a flask sales monopoly for one whole year.The WOC was heldin Dijon France that same year, with only one legal Pk flasks vendor there,Peruflora, when the whole world wanted to purchase Pk flasks. This yearAlfredo finally got his Export Permits, thank Heavens. Glen Decker is Alfredo's distributor for the USA and rest the world; I am his distributor for Canada. Glen Decker sells some Pk flasks, I will only sell compot ready Pk seedlings. Having flasked orchids for over twenty years on a daily basis, I think I am qualified to say that the CJM flasks are of excellent quality.The first Alfredo Pk replates were done by flasking expert Fritz Schomburg, who's impressive lab I have visited twice in the past few months. I am proud to be associated with CJM and particularly with the best man INRENA picked for the job, Alfredo Manrique. I know that Glen and Fritz feel the same way about this. The smear campaign that started inPeru now seems to have moved to the USA. What else would explain the recent posts containing absurdand stupid lies about CJM's Pk flasks. The CJM flasks Glen Decker and I have are excellent, please compare them with the competition's flasks and make up your own mind. See for yourself at this website: http://home.golden.net/~orchids/Pkcomp.html Thank you for your time and know that I simply can not remain silent when Alfredo's excellent reputation, is being smeared by a poster on this forum. Finally, I wish to thank all of you who have taken the time to post positive commentsabout CJM flasks, for it is so much easierto sit back and be silent. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Barbara's Kovachi
Barbara, As expected, you have failed to substantiate any of the rumours you are spreading about me on the OGD. It is better than any apology you could have come up with. Requesting it repeatedly, you seem obsessed with wanting to be flamed. Perhaps this is a common problem with genies that escape from Aladdin's lamp? Perhaps an attempt to get you out of the Pk saga darkness you live in? Sorry I can't grant yourflaming wish, that privilege belongs to your Master. You have a knack of assigning labels to the wrong people.Sour grapes is more likely the state of mindseveral Pk seedling "Masters" find themselves in, when they see legal Pk being sold all around them andTHEY must wait an additional year before they can sell theirs. That a tiny Pk seedling,slightly bigger than an oil drop in your lamp, can be grown in 16 months to have a leaf span of 12 inches is indeed amazing.I'd sayit is a miracle! Just remember , if you wish to stay out of the lamp you must get your Master to grant you two more wishes. Allow me to help you. Wish 2, that what comes out of your Master's purchased legal bottles are indeed Pk. Wish 3,that a picture of a non-flowering seedling identifies it as to which genus and species it is. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Barbara's post 'Kovachii
Barbara, I receive hundreds of e-mails every week. I do not remember the few private e-mails there may have been between you and I. Sorry! I certainly will not discuss private e-mailson a public forum, unlessthe other party starts it. Whatever it was that you asked me about the Pk saga, I will havetold you the facts and the truth. I usually discus with my audiences rumours that are not yet facts.However, I also tell them that lots of what we know as Pk facts today, started out asrumoursin Peru. That should not surprise anyone familiar with thepolitical systems in South America.The fear for making public statements is veryreal, even in countries that changed from a dictatorship to a democracy. I do not advertise CJM's product on the OGD, and certainly will not advertise the competition. Bill referred to a Silva, which is the maternal name that Manuel Arias carries, (Manuel Arias Silva). However, Manuel Arias Silva is not the one selling Pk seedlings. Manolo Arias, his son, is. I was merely explaining Bill's erroneous reference. Also know that I have told the truth about the Pk saga to orchid society audiences all over the USA and Canada. I started thislong before I knew that CJM got a license for propagating Pk in-vitro and even longer before I became thedistributor of CJM Pk seedlingsin Canada. What you do not know is that I have always been more interested in the preservation of Pk than in any financial aspect of it. I was in touch with INRENA,in May of 2002, one year before anyone got a license from INRENA to artificially propagate Pk. I offered them my help, for free. I know INRENA officials monitor the OGD, I could not possibly make this up and get away with it. Ihave a thank you letter from the Head of INRENA on file. My being the Canadian distributor for CJM has nothing to do with the Pk saga truth, as you insinuate. As far asmy guarantee that CJM Pk seedlings are true to name. No innuendo You obviously are unaware that there is a sincere concern among purchasers ofthe other Pk flasks . Had you read the SOF posts in the past year, you would know this. Please clear up a few things for me and the OGD audience: 1) Where in my post do I try toslime the opposition? Please explain!. 2) Who is it you went to that says to know the true story, different from mine, of what went on in Peru? 3) What is the true story Barbara? You seem to insinuate that you know it, but that I do not. 4) I challenge you to point out which Pk saga facts I do not have straight. Barbara, you have said A by publicly and falsely accusingme, I expect you have the guts to say B. In my experience with Pk seedlings and the experience of my Peruvian friends,the 12 inch leaf span Pk seedling you have seen is more likely to have come from an illegal flaskspropagated in 2001-2002 than from legal Pk flask started in 2003. Many illegal Pk plant owners are known to have purchasedone legal flask to hide their illegal ones behind. These include very well known orchid nurseries world wide. I will not flame youbecause you falsely accuse me on a public forum. All I ask is that you back up your accusations with facts. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Pk seedlings are easy to grow.
Bill,
Concerning your post "Kovachii" I take it you
mean Phragmipedium kovachii, (note small letter k) commonly referred to as Pk on
public forums.
You speak of Pkseedlings "being impossible to
grow." I totally disagree One very experienced Phrag
grower/exhibitor/vendor tells me that in his experience, Pk seedlingsare
easier to grow than Phrag besseae seedlings.
I base my disagreement with your post onmy
personal experience and the experience of others as posted for some time now
onpublic forums . Yes there are some who have problems, but then there are
some who have problems with Phal. seedlings as well.
I feel sorrythat you had a bad personal
experience, which may be due to one or more of many factors which you fail to
disclose. The biggest part of your problem may be "too high temperatures for in
flask seedlings" plus "from whom and when," you purchased the Pk flask and not
having been told a few basic rules to follow. You can truly not generalize from
that experience
You certainly can not speak for "anyone growing
them," which I take to mean"everyone growing them."
You can not speak for me, or the many Pk
seedlingowners who are growing them successfully in many countries
all over the world; some of whom I know personally.
I think you are doing the vendors and indeed the
average Phrag growers a disservice with your post.
Pk seedlings, legally propagated in the
laboratories of CJM (Centro de Jardineria Manrique)are easy to
grow!
When in flask, you have to keep the temperatures in
mid to high sixties, for growing them warmer appears to produce toxins perhaps
(no proof)causing the leaves toturn yellow. CJM Pkflasks, kept
at 65 to 70 F, do not have this yellowing problem.
Pk seedlings can be compotted at a very early stage
and do well, even at higher temperatures thanmy own recommended
Intermediate temps {The plants naturally grow at 1900 metersabove sea
level (6235 feet)}.
In my compots, Pk seedlings stay a healthy
green at temperatures around 65F and grow well. I also have some compots
at 80F, occasionally reaching 90 and 95F. These stay a healthy green but
grow slower than those at the lower temps.
My compotted Pk seedlings range in size from
1/2 to3 inches. Even the 1/4 inch size Pk seedlings are
surviving and growing in NZ sphagnum moss. You must follow a few basic culture
rules for this species, but isn't that true formany orchid
species?
Bill, contrary to what you predict will happen,
IvisionPk species and hybrids on the benches of every Phrag
loving grower in the world, except those who consider big flowersugly, as
one of my friends does.
When you say Silva, you probably mean well known
Peruvian orchid collector Manuel Arias Silva, who is not connected with CJM at
all.
To anyone contemplating purchasing legalPk
seedlings, I guarantee that the CJM Pk seedlingsare true Pk and easy
to grow when you follow a fewbasic steps.
Peter
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[OGD] Blooming size Phragmipedium kovachii
The Slipper Orchid Forum shows pictures ofPk's in bloomat a well knownEcuadorian orchid collector. Someone else then responds by asking: " I just wonder why nobody selfing or cross this ecuadorian kovachii yet." This is how rumours get started. To date, to the best of my knowledge,no Pk habitathas been found in Ecuador. Ifeverit should happen, be assured that the world will know within hours. In the past few years, the Peruvian Ministry of Natural Resources,INRENA, has on several occasions confiscatedflowering sizePkplants and other orchid speciesof many genera on their way to Ecuador and elsewhere. These were collected illegally in Peru. Phragmipedium kovachii habitats werediscoveredin the Department of Amazonas, Northern Peru.INRENA, has not yet issued a single export permit for mature Pk plants. At this moment, any blooming Pk outsidethe Peruvian nurseries of Alfredo Manrique and Manolo Arias isan illegal Pk. Legal Pk seedlings, propagated only by Centro de Jardineria Manrique and Peruflora, need to grow5 to 7years beforethey bloom for the first time. In 3-5 years from now, when thelegal Pk seedlings have become flowering Pk plants, it will be very difficult to know if a flowering Pk is legal or illegal. I have a feeling that no onewill waste any timethento find out. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Concerning the sentences of Manuel Arias Silva and George Norris
George Norris servedhis sentence and is no longer incarcerated. I do not know the exact datethey set him free, however he was already out inMarch, 2006. Manuel Arias Silva has not served his sentence. He escaped from the USA before he was sentenced,with help from Peru. He is now a USA fugitive. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re John Perez' amazing fertilizer recipe
Thank you Colin, Lee and Gideon for responding to my post regarding John Perez' "amazing fertilizer recipe." Very helpful. Peter Peter CroezenOrchid Species Flaskshttp://home.golden.net/~orchids ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] John Perez
The Australian Orchid Council's web page carries an advertisement for John Perez. http://www.sunshine-4u.com/orchid/ I wonderif any OGDer has triedJohn Perez's "amazing fertilizer recipes" for orchids. Any comments?. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Mary Lou Porlick
Mary Lou, friend in orchids, rest in peace. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] dehydrating seeds over calcium chloride
Hi Norbert, When a super saturated solution of calcium chloride fills for example onethird of a closed vessel, you will see a layer of calcium chloride at the bottom of the solution The area above the solution is then maintained at a relative humidity of 32-33% Seeds dehydrated in the space above the solution for a few days to a week will retain a moisture content of about 5-6%. These are then best sealed immediatelyin acontainer with a minimum of air space and placed in the fridge at 5C. Tests conducted on only a small percentage of orchid species overseveral genera,dehydrated and stored this way, haveshown maintenance of viability for up to 25 years. P.T. Seaton and H.W.Pritchard didsome of the research on this. For more details see the AOS Bulletin of Aug 1994. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Bromeliads and orchidaceous
Orchidaceous plants are orchids, members of the family Orchidaceae.IMHO the answer to your question is, "NO." "My question is, are bromeliads orchidaceous plants? " ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Steve Topletz
Hi Steve, Please contact me off list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the past four days I have sentyou several e-mails at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and received no reply. I believe the e-mail address is proper. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Wonderful
In this hasty world of ours, how wonderful that most OGDers take the time to say thank you for assistance received. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] snail-mail address
Hi, If any of you need the snail-mail address of Bert Pressman's family, to send a card, please contact me off line and I wille-mail it to you. Peter Peter CroezenOrchid Species Flaskshttp://home.golden.net/~orchids ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] We will miss him
It saddens me to inform you that I just received a death notice from the familyof Dr. Bert Pressman. Berthad a fatal car accident Saturday, June 3, 2006. The family is planning a private service. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phragmipedium kovachii vendors
Hi Joe, Vendors of legalPhragmipedium kovachii flasks and seedlings, propagated in the INRENA licensed laboratories of Centro de Jardineria Manrique of Lima Peru are: For the USA, Europe and Asia: Piping Rock Orchids http://www.pipingrockorchids.com/ For Canada: Green Canyon Orchids http://home.golden.net/~orchids Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Roots question
Peter, I do not remember the source either, but I believe the statement was made in reference toVanilla roots. If indeed this is true for Vanilla roots, that does not make it true for all orchid roots.The notion, expressed in many orchid books, that there are only two kinds of orchid roots is false. The large diversityof orchid root velamen structures must havea practical reason. Orchidaceae spp roots have the ability to adapt to their environment and substrates. Why shouldit have stoppedatorchid flowers, adapting to pollinators in their habitat? Peter O'Byrne who said: BTW Stephen, although Holttum's quotation says that little of thewater absorbed by the velamen is passed to the interior of the root,it DOESN'T say "absorption of water and nutrients is limited to theareas of the roots growing in contact with the substrate." Perhapsthat came from some other source ? ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Calcium Nitrate 15.5-0-0
To K B who wrote: "I am having trouble finding a source for calcium nitrate. Googling, I can find that it used to be commonly sold in a 15.5-0-0 formula.snip" It is readily available in Canada in four grades, each with an NPK ratio of 15.5-0-0. Supplier is Plant Products, who have been in business forsome 50 to 60 years. I use their Calcium nitratetogetherwith theirhydroponics fertilizer 7-11-27. Excellent when you are usingRO or rain water lacking calcium. URL: http://www.plantprod.com/EN/catalogue/07MiscFertilizer.html Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] When useless documents become useful
Peter O'Byrne who writes: "what is to stop me buying a "legal" flask or plant, then photocopying the sales receipt passing,.thus legitimising their illegal plants ?" Nothing! 1 INRENA supplieda single CITES certificate for 50 Pk flasks and 20 Pk hybrid flasks to Victor Manuel Arias for the WOC in Dijon France 2 Manolo Arias, issued a copy of this useless CITES document to every purchaser of his Pk flasks in Dijon France 3 Owners of illegal Pk flask photocopied this now useful useless CITES document to make their own illegal flasks as legal as Victor Manuel Arias flasks." 4Realizing the mistake, Manolo publisheda list of legal Pk flask owners on his Peruflora website 5Manolo's Pk flaskssales then increased drastically, from less than 50 at Dijon, to several hundreds in a very short time. CITES member countries like Peru and the USA joined CITES, helped put in place CITES rules and then ignore them whenever it suits their own interests. That just does not make any sense. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Fw: CITES not required for Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers
Mary Lou , Happy to see you are back with us on the OGD. According to your post,Aileen, whoever she is, said: "Any of these flasks that enter the US legally come in with CITES from the country of origin." WRONG!. Orchid flasks do come in without CITES, becauseFLASKED ORCHID SEEDLINGS ARE EXEMPT FROM CITES. There is no official document of CITES providing proof that flaskedorchid seedlings are propagated from legally, or illegally,collected orchid parents. CITES appears to understand that"legally, or illegallycollecting of orchid parents"is an internal matterfor the country of origin. I am aware that AOS ORCHIDSarticles in the past provided erroneous information re"CITES for orchid flasks." If a country of origin wants to indicate that flasked orchid seedlingsare propagated "from legally collected parents" I assume they are free do so on a non-Cites form of theirown design. There is no requirement by any importing country CITES authorities to pay attention to it. I refer you to the following URL: http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml thenscroll down and read: ORCHIDACEAE Orchids (For all of the following Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers are not subject to the provisions of the Convention) Legal plants, for which no CITES documents exist are: 1) Plants imported as "obtained in-vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers" (flasks;) grown into mature plants 2) Plants propagated in thecountry, in-vitro,from legally importedparents; grown into mature plants. For CITES Text of the Convention, see http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/text.shtml#VII Peter C. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] NO CITES required for orchid flasks
Mary Lou , Happy to see you are back with us on the OGD. According to your post,Aileen, whoever she is, said: "Any of these flasks that enter the US legally come in with CITES from the country of origin." WRONG!. Orchid flasks do come in without CITES, becauseFLASKED ORCHID SEEDLINGS ARE EXEMPT FROM CITES. There is no official document of CITES providing proof that flaskedorchid seedlings are propagated from legally, or illegally,collected orchid parents. CITES appears to understand that"legally, or illegallycollecting of orchid parents"is an internal matterfor the country of origin. I am aware that AOS ORCHIDSarticles in the past provided erroneous information re"CITES for orchid flasks." If a country of origin wants to indicate that flasked orchid seedlingsare propagated "from legally collected parents" I assume they are free do so on a non-Cites form of theirown design. There is no requirement by any importing country CITES authorities to pay attention to it. I refer you to the following URL: http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml thenscroll down and read: ORCHIDACEAE Orchids (For all of the following Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers are not subject to the provisions of the Convention) Legal plants, for which no CITES documents exist are: 1) Plants imported as "obtained in-vitro, in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers" (flasks;) grown into mature plants 2) Plants propagated in thecountry, in-vitro,from legally importedparents; grown into mature plants. For CITES Text of the Convention, see http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/text.shtml#VII Peter C. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Pk flasks, seedlings
Cody, I have also seen the Pk prices you talk about. Did you read the terms? The ones you are talking about do come from Peru's legal Pk lab # 2 and, as far as I know, will not be available until March 2007, for the owner signed abusiness contract with the vendor that he would not sell the seedlings for 2 years from date of purchase. Let me tell you that the first Pk seedlings coming from Peru's legalPk laboratory #1, operated by Alfredo Manrique are now in the USA and should be available from Glen Decker, possibly in 2006. You will have to contact him, or wait for the first ones to become available in Canada. In a few months Alfredo's Pk flasks are expected in Canada and the seedlings will go on sale as soon as they are ready. I expect the prices to be very reasonable. Peter Cody: I was quite surprised at the prices one certain orchid nursery was offeringPk hybrids for...$250 US and if it was an international order, it had to beat least $1000 US. OMG people, where is the reality in this? Does thatnursery think so many people have the money for a plant costing that much?Maybe it's just an ego trip to be able to say ' I've got a Pk hybrid, haveyou gotten yours yet?" ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] pictures of Phragmipedium kovachii seedlings
Thank you for sending me pictures of the legal Phragmipedium kovachii seedlings you purchased from Peruflora. If you ordered some, be prepared to replate and compot, before the flask arrive from Peru. The pictures show the flask contents as seedlings of many different sizes, protocorms and medium all mixed into a messy clump. These need to be replated immediately, in order for some of them to grow and survive. If the purchased flasksare also contaminated,as some of youhave reported, the fresh replating medium more often than not will make the contaminants grow so rapidly that they will choke and eventually kill theseedlings and protocorms. You must then immediately compot them from these contaminated freshly replated flasks. The larger seedlings should survive and grow into mature plants, but the smaller ones and the protocormswill most likely die. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Please send me current pictures of legally propagated Pk seedlings you purchased from Peruflora
Hi,
If anyone among you has purchased legal
Phragmipedium kovachii flasksfrom Peru,please
send a current picture of YOUR Pk flasks, or YOUR de-flasked Pkseedlings, to my private
e-mailaddress, [EMAIL PROTECTED]I will
share them in private e-mails with anyone
who requests them from me.
{There isa reluctance on the part of those in
the USA who did purchase such Pk flasks,
to showme what
they purchased.One can only imagine their reasons.}
Before you sendUS$ 1060.- for 50-60 Pk
seedlings, plus $ 160.- for unnecessary
CITES documents,you better make certain you know whatyou are getting for
your
money.
Unnecessary CITES Documents is
correct.
The Peru INRENA CITES official, Ing. Antonio
Morizaki Taura, who'ssignature
appears onthe
unnecessary CITES export documents for
Phragmipedium kovachii flasks, seems not only
unaware of thecurrent CITES
rules, healso
appears to be totally
ignorantof how CITES works.
Fact is that not one
single CITES member Countrydetermines
onits own which speciesrequire
CITES and which onesdo not; let
aloneimplement such ill conceived notions.
CITES has made it abundantly clear that at present
there is not one single flasked orchid species,
regardless in which
Appendix it is listed, that requires CITES documents. Here is what you will find
in CITES document Appendices I, II, and
III:
ORCHIDACEAE
spp.:
(For all of the
following Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro,
in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers are not subject
to the provisions
of the
Convention)
Aerangis
ellisii; Dendrobium cruentum; Laelia jongheana; Laelia lobata; peristeria elata;
Renanthera
imshootiana; Pahiopedilum spp.; Phragmipedium spp.
See:
http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml
Scroll down to Orchidaceae spp in App I.
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[OGD] Orchid species seed capsules wanted
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[OGD] NO CITES required for Phragmipedium kovachii flasks
There may be two reasons whymany people
erroneously believe orchid flasks need CITES.
1.The April 2005 issue of AOS ORCHIDS,
carries an article by Roddy Gabel entitled:
IMPORTING PHRAGMIPEDIUM KOVACHII.
{Roddy Gabel is the Chief, Division of Scientific Authority, US Fish and
Wildlife Authority
in Arlington VA.}
.
ThoughCITES Import and Export documents are
needed for Phragmipedium
kovachii plants,
this articlemay one lead to believe that
CITES documents are also
needed for Phragmipedium kovachii
flasks.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Six month before Roddy wrote this article,CITES' Thirteenth Meeting
of the Conference
of the Parties was held in Bangkok (Thailand,) October 2-14, 2004.
Since then it was made abundantly clear by CITES that Phragmipedium flasked
seedlings
DO NOT REQUIRE CITES DOCUMENTS.
{You may read it on the CITES WEB SITE: http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml
On theApp I list, scroll 3/4 of the way down to FLORA (PLANTS) and
then scroll
down to ORCHIDACEAE spp.}
Here is what it says:
CITES Appendix I , ORCHIDACEAE
spp.
(For all of the following Appendix-I
species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro,
in solid or liquid media,
transported in sterile containers are not subject to the provisions
of the Convention)
Aerangis ellisii; Dendrobium
cruentum; Laelia jongheana; Laelia lobata; Paphiopedilum spp.;
Peristeria elata; Phragmipedium spp.; Renathera
imshootiana
2.INRENA is writing their
Phragmipedium kovachii flasksExport Permits on CITES certificates;
this may give people the wrong impression, namely
that CITES`are needed for orchid flasks, when in
fact all orchid flasks are CITES exempt!!
Peter
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[OGD] International Orchid Show held in Lima and Moyobamba Peru, this month
Hi, I have been asked to invite you all to Club Peruano de Orquideas' sixth International Orchid Show in Lima October 21 to 23, 2005 and Moyobamba October 28 to 30, 2005 For details visit their web site at: http://www.peruorchids.com/ Click on English Version, top right corner of home page. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Brazilian orchid species
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[OGD] blooper
Sorry I meant to say in my previous e-mail THAT, NO ONE CAN TELL YOU but the USA CITES Authority.. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchid Seed Capsule ripening charts
Sue who wrote: I would like to know if there are any good online Orchid Seed Pod Ripening Charts. In particular, I have an Ansellia africana that was selfed in late October and would like to know about when it will be ready to flask. Sue there is a chart called: Interval between pollination and growth of immature embryos in-vitro You will find it on page 274 of Orchid Biology Reviews and Perspectives II edited by Dr. Joseph Arditti. The time shown tells us when immature pro-embryos of non ripe seeds will continue to develop on an artificial medium, in-vitro; outside the capsule. It does not tell us how long it takes for the capsule to mature and produce ripe seeds,which may well be double or triplethe time shown in this chart. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Terry Glancy's: new malicious pests from Taiwan
Title: RE: Posts Hi, Terry A. Glancyhas tried three times to post this story on the OGD. He tried it in Rich Text and Plain Text and each time the message was rejected. I am just forwarding it to the OGD for him, to see if it will be accepted. If this fails again, I will try one more time by pasting the messagein my own e-mail. New malicious pests from Taiwan In an attempt to lighten the topic of importing Phals in media from Taiwan, I would like to submit this incident from a couple of years ago. We were helping some friends of ours from Taiwan who were shipping their show and sales plants directly from Taipei to Miami for a show up in mid-state Florida. We were just trying to help coordinate their simultaneous arrival with the arrival of their boxes of plants and flasks, brokerage coordination and paperwork, ag inspection, and subsequent transport up to their show area. The plants arrived maybe 10 hours before our commercial friends, but we received a call from our broker who said that the orchid shipment had to be gassed - flasks and all --- because of a new mealybug. I had never seen any pests on any of the shipments from this Taiwanese nursery when we had brought in plants for our nursery, so I thought this was rather strange. It was even stranger when the broker said that there were mealybugs all over the flasks. My wife went up to ag to actually see what was going on. She walks into the ag station and asks to see the shipment that had been gassed with methyl bromide. All the Catts in bloom were fried as were the Oncids, Phals, and Dens. The inspector then picked up a couple of Phal flasks and declared I cant believe it, the bugs are still alive and moving around!!! Barbara picked at one of the mealybug clumps, looks at it closely, and pops it into her mouth. Yup --- sytrofoam chips. Better watch out for those exotic pests now!!! Terry A. Glancy Pine Ridge Orchids, Inc. 21100 SW 300 Street Homestead, FL 33030-7812 ph (305) 247-4839 (305) 247-3086 fx (305) 247-8853 Email = HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website = HYPERLINK "http://www.PineRidgeOrchids.com" www.PineRidgeOrchids.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Terry Glancy's posts
Tricia who said: Well, this is the fourth time it has arrived here - maybe it's a glitch inTerry's email client, because clearly it isn't being rejected by OGD. It is rejected by the OGD Digest and the OGD Archives, Tricia. You will find the body of the message missing in both.I assume you receive the non-digest individual posts? It is quite possible that these bypass the problem part of the OGD server. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Please stop the false rumors
Thomas who writes: The legal kovachii flask will be available this year, but there aresome problems whit the Peruvian government so the Peruvian orchid clubdon't'a know how the kovachii flasks will be sell worldwide, the onlyconfirmed information is that an orchid shop whit kovachii flasks willbe open this year in Spain.Regards,Thomas from Guatemala. Thomas, your post is spreading false rumors concerning legal Phragmipedium kovachii flasks available this year. If they are going to be exported,that fact has not yet beenannounced by INRENA, the Peruvian Ministry of Natural Resources and Peru's CITES Authority . INRENA has indicated that no flasksor divisions will be exported, until Peruvian nurseries are registered by the Cites Secretariat and New Commercial Regulations are approved. At this moment, there are only two registered nurseries in Peru; the owner of Registered Nursery 001isAlfredo Manrique, and I am in weekly contact with him. There is NO CONFIRMATIONYET from INRENA that legal Phragmipedium flasks will be exported from Peru in 2005; consequently there CAN BE NO CONFIRMATION from INRENA that legal flasks will be available in Spain Allflask, seedlings, divisions or plants of Phragmipedium kovachii at present outside Peru are ILLEGAL. The whole world is waiting for INRENA to allow export of legal Phragmipedium kovachii, divisions and flasks; particularly the peoplewho have illegal plants and flasks at this moment. As soon as INRENA does allow export,we will all know it within hours. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
