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Geng,

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  Re: Kertas Pembentangan Sesi Open Day 30/7/2012 Kajian Semula
National Strategic ICT Roadmaps dan Technology Roadmaps.


  Date: 
  Tue, 31 Jul 2012 08:16:42 +0800


  From: 
  red1 r...@red1.org


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Thank you for the document. This is so efficient. Kudos to the
secretariat and consultant team handling this.

DISCLAMIER. I am an angry and foolish person. :) I wish to give my 2
cents to this fine effort and i already given one cent yesterday and i
shall pay the second cent now. I apologise if i sound patronising but i
humbly beg for leniency in reading this. My disclaimer is that you can
always stop here. It is called 'freedom of choice' from where we come
from. But if you read till the end, i will reward the reader with a
poetic apology.

Yesterday i asked the question if you have heard of me where i
mentioned three main-stream media pieces such as 'Putting
Malaysia on the open source map, New Straits Times,
2007' and The Star Intech cover story on 9th June 2009. (please see the
Star Intech image here http://www.adempiere.com/index.php/User:Red1)
not
to bitch but i was attempting a simple straight-to-the-point pitch
as i possibly can. With no one raising their hands is resting my case.

As a celebrated founding leader of an Open Source project fork by many
parties outside Malaysia (please see http://red1.org/guestbook/)
has
put me past bragging point and i wanted to make the academic
contribution to my own country about how Innovation is lacking in our
nation's DNA. Hopefully from what i say in my own right may carry some
lesson either to myself or to the country. Or both.

I am encouraged by the presentation workshop as many of those who spoke
touched on such 'Innovation DNA' to be identified and nurtured as part
of the National Strategic ICT Roadmap. There was reference from one
representative about 'Behavioral Economics' and "What is new?' or 'How
do we beat the megatrends by striking our own 'blue ocean strategy' so
to speak which points to the need that such a Strategic Roadmap must
address in order to not miss the forest for the trees.

I am no expert as to the many professors and consultants in each own
respective endeavour in the room. I hope for consideration as an expert
in my field as reported in our local press. I read alot and practiced
alot my last 30 years in my field. I am not just a  high school
dropout, software engineer that is self taught but reborn a few times
through many mistakes such as 3 dotcom crashes (as Siti Nurhaliza's
first webmaster, Singapore's WebTV and Malaysia's WorldSOL.com (an oil
B2B based on OracleExchange) and ever jealous of foreign dominance over
our local software industry. These thoughts and the particular thought
that others are raking in billions with almost no effort in small-man
teams such as Youtube, Google, Twitter and Facebook where they only
created a dotcom and a template suite and the whole world gave them the
billons worth of content, while we are always part of the mindless
consumers that are sinking in the world's rankings and ratings.
Yesterday's slide by the consultants which is a downward slide (good
pun) was too much for any Malaysian in the room to bear.

I read alot on even what Dr. Mahathir read such as Keniche Ohmae's
Borderless World and every book from Alvin Toffler and someone truly
brilliant called Dr. Lester Thurow. I directly incorporated some of the
naked ideas about 'going against the grain' with 'building value brand
equity' and Al Ries and Jack Trout's 'Positioning of the Mind' as part
of a strategy to reinvent myself into a global icon on the assumption
that if someone can give a stupid idea in California and make billions,
why not me who is as foolish. 

Thus nearly a decade ago, I laid out a strategy to explore from lessons
learnt past, of what is missing in some of the online stuff i found and
filled the gap which eventually worked albeit singlehandedly (thanks to
our nation's infrastructure in the form of a lone copper phone Streamyx
line that links the community to my farm home in Kuang here 9 years
ago)

Re: [osdcmy] Fwd: Re: Kertas Pembentangan Sesi Open Day 30/7/2012 Kajian Semula National Strategic ICT Roadmaps dan Technology Roadmaps.

I was told it is under  something like OSA. So bro... I don't mind going 
to jail if they can assure me they got Unify in there. I can become a 
famous FOSS jail-bird hehe.
Ah.. what the heck.. i am not born to be afraid...  i will email you 
shortly...



On 7/31/12 9:50 AM, Redzuan Affandi wrote:

Tuan Red1,

Is it possible to share the document for knowledge's sake ?

Thanks

Redzuan Affandi®

”...the ability or inability of societies to master technology, and 
particularly technologies that are strategically decisive in each 
historical period, largely shapes their destiny…”

Manuel Castells, The Rise of the Network Society (1996)



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[osdcmy] Fwd: Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3

Geng,

Original Message

Subject:
Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO -
BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM
FASA III - SIRI 3

Date:
Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:53:30 +0800

From:
Redhuan r...@adempiere.org

To:
mncc-oss-...@googlegroups.com

I think we should brainstorm more often together (while blasting away
on four pistons) as i do not think our pitch yesterday sinks in or far.
It is better we make a proper presentation as a powerful think tank
collectively, to the right office such as KSU and then PM, and collect
momentos of 'skull tatoos' along the way.
I like to share what a friend working somewhere up in KLCC Towers who
wrote to me a moment ago:

Nor Bahgia B M Nordin:
"I
think
anything
creative futuristic or game changing breakthrough
spearheaded by government servants will fail due to their multiple KPI
mentality, and other restrictions.
Entreprenurs/Technopreneurs/Scientist
have
a
‘no-choice’ ‘do-or-die’ situation, which drives them to do the
impossible. It’s a intense single minded focus.

Jobs,
Gates,
Page
and the rest never wasted their time with the government
types. They just went ahead and did what they were supposed to do
regardless.
I
can
tell you this. The road-maps will just collect dust again."

On 7/31/12 9:35 AM, Abu Mansur wrote:
Will need to you to run thru my presso. I didn't do any
thesis on this... ;-)

2012/7/30 Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte yeohe...@gmail.com
How
can
I assist?

2012/7/30 Abu Mansur rajamu...@gmail.com

Gang FYI... :-)
Mansur

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Re: [osdcmy] Fwd: Re: Kertas Pembentangan Sesi Open Day 30/7/2012 Kajian Semula National Strategic ICT Roadmaps dan Technology Roadmaps.

Sent.
At least i put you as my alibi and you go in instead of me. I got a
world tour to finish off SAP then i can bail you out 10 years from now.
Tapi masyur lah kita dua-dua pun sama nama malaikat syurga yer?

On 7/31/12 10:02 AM, Redzuan Affandi wrote:
:-) Thanks. Am ever willing to join you in the physical
jail as long as they cannot jail my mind.

Redzuan Affandi®

”...the ability or inability of societies to master technology, and
particularly technologies that are strategically decisive in each
historical period, largely shapes their destiny…”
Manuel Castells, The Rise of the Network Society (1996)

On 31 July 2012 09:57, red1 r...@red1.org
wrote:
I
was told it is under something like OSA. So bro... I don't mind going
to jail if they can assure me they got Unify in there. I can become a
famous FOSS jail-bird hehe.
Ah.. what the heck.. i am not born to be afraid... i will email you
shortly...

On 7/31/12 9:50 AM, Redzuan Affandi wrote:

Tuan Red1,

Is it possible to share the document for knowledge's sake ?

Thanks

Redzuan Affandi®

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[osdcmy] Re: JEMPUTAN SEBAGAI PEMBENTANG DI SESI EKSKLUSIF CIO - BENGKEL SELF RELIANCE PROGRAM OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE (OSS) SEKTOR AWAM FASA III - SIRI 3

Ok boss.. though i am just a messenger who always get shot.
Terima kasih atas nasihat ini. Saya diam-diamlah sekarang.

On 7/31/12 10:41 AM, Abu Mansur wrote:
Brother Red1, timing is everything. We will not achieve
anything in random rants you know.

Don't spray all your bullets at random (also we need to get invited
again and again so we have more info). I am discussing with Hassan
about some possible agendas using the OSCC that we will discuss in the
group here. Just wanted to get some structure otherwise the con/skype
call will be messy. In Sales we have a saying (you are selling
something), sales is a process, when it is not a process, then it is a
problem. We need to map an action plan with doable milestones. Hope SIG
members can take up components of the tasks ahead so it doesn't end up
on one person, sort of like a gotong royong thing...

Some of my agenda that I have discussed with some of you:-

The Open Development Model in Government Procurement for software ie
projects evolve with OSS license and development process from the very
beginning. When actual tender comes out, marks will be given to based
on Vendors participation for initial phase. Winning vendor becomes
major project sponsor. Recruitment by vendor for developers is also
easier as you can see who are the main developers contributing to the
project. Less possibilities of lemons (Eg Kastam GST like last time)

The other one is software development on top of SELINUX for government
software (I am presenting to govt CIO this coming 10th) to move to more
serious stuff in OSS. If we can tie in with activity one of the above
and incorporate academic faculty members and students in the
development we can kill two, nay even three birds with one stone. The
government can really be a catalyst for our software industry by
providing a fertile ground for some serious software development
through these projects.

More thoughts later (everyone else feel free to rant here) as I am
rushing to send my first draft to MAMPU...

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Redhuan r...@adempiere.org
wrote:

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Re: [osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday

2012-06-27 Terurut Topik red1





Luckily at 6pm. See u all tomorrow then!

On 6/27/12 4:02 PM, Sufian Ahmad wrote:

  
  if
i am not mistaken, u can also register esp if you have broad
experienced in IT
  
"Shall be a person who holds a recognized Information and
Communications Technology (ICT)- related academic degree or
professional qualification acceptable to the Council and who has been
employed in the Information and Communications Technology Industry at
an Executive Level as in the following:
(a) Basic Degree: at least 3 years experience;
(b) Master Degree: at least 2 years experience; and
(c) Doctorate Degree: at least 1 year experience,
or a person who do not hold a
recognized academic degree or professional qualification as above but
has been employed in the Information and Communications Technology
Industry at an executive level for not less than seven years in
activities considered by the Council to be relevant to the objects of
the Gabungan.
"
  
  
  From:
  "Umarzuki Mochlis" umarz...@gmail.com
  To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:37:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [osdcmy] MNCC AGM This Coming Thursday
  
ughhh...i'm not qualified to be a member since i just a professional
certifications holder
  
2012/6/27 Hafidz Nasruddin haf...@gmail.com:
 Email address to mncc-memb...@mncc.com.my , tertinggal kot

 On Jun 27, 2012 10:18 AM, "Raja Iskandar Shah"
rajaiskand...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 ??? kenapa saya tak dapat pun ?



 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Hafidz Nasruddin
haf...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Saya dapat email notis mesyuarat pada 19 Jun

 On Jun 27, 2012 10:09 AM, "Raja Iskandar Shah"
rajaiskand...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 When is this earlier ? As of 20 may 2012 I am already
a member, and I
 have not received any notices either through email or
post mail.

 Kostem yang tak seberapa pun can get notices out 14
days before our
 general meeting and board meetings.

 Sorry for ranting to the messenger. But these are
important
 administrative things.


  
  







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Re: [osdcmy] Share your story and become famous

2012-06-15 Terurut Topik red1

Alrite! Jumpa nanti kat Kuang ya boss? Haha.. lajunyaaa... kadang-kadang 
tertimbul perkara lucu dalam hati saya. Semasa projek saya pada Disember 
2006 mencecah no1 dalam SourceForge, aku punya tulis dan tulis kepada 
semua pihak dan kontek sehingga editor kawan baik saya kat Utusan 
Malaysia satu kueh pun tak de masa layan.


Apabila saya ajukan nama Jerman yang blond dan mata biru pada OSDC.CON 
pertama, lajunya datang terus tiket untuk dia datang bentang. Muka saya 
dengan kambing kebun terpapar kat The Star Intech, cover pulak tu. Lepas 
tu? bunyi kriket


Kini fenomina yang sama berlaku. Ajukan lagi satu jenis blond Jerman 
yang lagi lembut .. wa wa wa .. mati kriket


Peliknya maskot ini dahlah sanggup jadi maskot free, sanggup pulak tolak 
tawaran lebih besar di Jerman dan datang hidup macam orang Iban dalam 
hutan di sini. Itu cerita saya cuba takut-takutkan dia (untuk elak dia 
datang). Reverse brain drain pulak ni.


Kini kat Brazil tengah kerja keras mendapatkan Petrobras *Brazil punya 
Petronas* untuk sponsor roadshow seluruh Brazil. Tetapi takut saya 
dengan Brazil. Bukan keganasan di Rio. Tetapi yang lembut-lembut bro. 
Too fast, too furious :)


Teringat nasihat dari orang alim dan AlKitab - yang boleh mencabar iman 
seseorang bukanlah ancaman pemedih mata sebenarnya - tetapi ancaman tiga Ta.


Wlmcpn, terima kasihlah Sdr Tajul Azhar. I already briefed her about her 
pending mission here, to research more from Germany FOSS adoption at the 
high level as well at the small company model to share here. I will send 
you once i received her university letter i ask them to prepare for such 
official reasons.


On 6/16/12 9:21 AM, Tajul Azhar bin Mohd Tajul Ariffin wrote:

Thanks sifu.
As I mentioned before, I'm on behalf of IT personnel in government would like 
to invite you, with your beautiful maskot on our seminar, and insyaAllah, we 
will send you an email from our head of IT in government.
Love to hear your philosophy, eventhough I will not be the same as you, full of 
knowledge and skill, but I do hope we in the government can get the spirit and 
benefit from your experience.
Salam sayang dari Putrajaya ke Kuang. Haha
P/S : Petang ni saya balik Kuang selepas kelas
Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

-Original Message-
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:13:36
To:osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com
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Subject: [osdcmy] Share your story and become famous

Whatever you do there must be a story. Particularly in FOSS work there
are lots of oops and aahhs. Writing about it online can be one way to
create contribution as someone someday will hit your same oohs and aahhs
and when they google for it, they read your story.  For me it has
brought me around the world to the most exotic spots and meet the most
beautiful people.
Today this morning i wrote another piece
http://red1empire.blogspot.com/2012/06/idempiere-windows-installer.html
I hope my advice here helps those of you out there who knows, might feel
FOSS work is limited or at a dead end.

Peace!
red1

   


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Re: [osdcmy] Share your story and become famous

2012-06-15 Terurut Topik red1


On 6/16/12 10:37 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini wrote:
well, others would be not care about it at all, but not us here, 
especially me.


keep up your great effort, tuan! because of you, I wouldn't be in this 
industry today ;)
Correction: If it is NOT because of you, I wouldn't be in this industry 
today.

Ke memang maksud u gitu? :
Anyway thanks for been one of my apprentice before. Soon i will give you 
that ijazah paling mahal dalam dunia. This time you are welcome to be 
the photographer again. Please make yourself available and bring along 
your backpack. Many scenes will be off-track. Sesiapa lain nak ikut kene 
mari dengan 4WD.


red1

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Re: [osdcmy] Ingin Menjadi Pembangun Perisian Bebas diiktiraf Jerman?

2012-06-12 Terurut Topik red1

Can be arranged. Please write to me directly with a simple intro email 
from the intending Govt agency then I wll correspond with the party 
concerned from there.
Such conversations can be important to go over issues to sustain a 
global project that can safeguard our own national interests.


On 6/12/12 2:15 PM, Tajul Azhar wrote:
Bro Red1, possible ke ada slot untuk kakitangan ICT di dalam kerajaan 
Malaysia?


Awek tu nak datang ke rasa?




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Re: [osdcmy] Re: Ingin Menjadi Pembangun Perisian Bebas diiktiraf Jerman?

2012-06-12 Terurut Topik red1

Cik Jerman itu pun pakar matematik kerana dia mengajar pelajar di 
Universiti subjek tu. Dia pun nak tunjuk koding padahal saya suruh jangan.
Macamana nak sifu anjurkan bergu dengan dia jika kalah nanti? Malu lah 
sifu. hehe..


Anyway i tahu asking for Double A1 is really tak lojik. Jika lu olang 
dah teror macam tu, takkan lah nak keje aprentis FOSS, betul tak? Mesti 
Petronas dah angkat hantar ntah mana dah. But then who knows, some of 
you got some kinda passion and wana kick big ass kerana ERP boleh ganti 
SAP yang Petronas tengah pakai tu - ratusan million USD lah tu. :)


On 6/12/12 2:30 PM, [HM] wrote:

Pelajar tempatan? Means utk student shj? Those who currently employed
tak boleh apply??

(tapi, still tak lepas merit Math  English tu)

On Jun 12, 2:13 pm, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini
jipangmenje...@gmail.com  wrote:
   

2012/6/11 red1r...@red1.org

 


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Re: [osdcmy] Ingin Menjadi Pembangun Perisian Bebas diiktiraf Jerman?

2012-06-10 Terurut Topik red1

Nanti Cik Jerman itu ada kat sini selepas bulan puasa, bolehlah
organise satu temubual dengannya. Saya percaya dia minat juga dengar
bahasa Melayu dipertuturkan.
Semasa saya di Latin Amerika, hampir semua orang di sana tidak fasih
atau tidak langsung berbahasa Inggeris. Di Colombia dan Ecuador
berbahasa Sepanyol. Di Brazil mereka berbahasa Portugal. Hidup juga
saya sana saya hampir dua bulan.
Semasa di Paris, sama juga. Tapi saya tahu juga sikit-sikit bahasa
Perancis. Di Jerman saya belajar sikit-sikit sehingga Austria masih
mereka tahu Jerman. Sampai Czech mereka langsung tak tahu Jerman kerana
bahasa Czech lain bunyi semua. Tetapi hidup juga saya 3 hari sana.
Nanti juga saya rancang pergi ke Jepun. Sana lama mereka enggan jemput
saya kerana langsung tak tahu Inggeris. Apa rahsia saya? Senang je:
GoogleTranslator
So you see, in FOSS we get power for freedom. So who or what can stop
you?

On 6/10/12 9:23 PM, E A Faisal wrote:
Tawaran menarik. Orang-orang muda patut jangan lepaskan
peluang.

2012/6/10 Soire Meira soire...@gmail.com
Alamak...
Bahas ingerris fail der... boleh try ka :P

Pada 8 Jun 2012 3:26 PTG, Muhd Syazwan Md
Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com
menulis:

saya
mampu jadi sysadmin je sekarang..hihi..good luck siapa yang mencuba
nasib! :D

2012/6/8 red1 r...@red1.org

ANK: Ya, boleh. ada juga kat FB saya: /red1org
MII: Saya pun tak lepas piawaian dunia. Saya pakai kepala otak fikir
cara lain.

On 6/8/12 2:01 PM, Ahmed Noor Kader Mustajir Md Eusoff wrote:
mohon share di fb, boleh boss?

2012/6/8 Mohamad Imran Ishak en.mak...@gmail.com
Ilmu
hisab
ku tak mencapai piawai yg ditetapkan.

Pada 8 Jun 2012 12:56 PG, red1 r...@red1.org menulis:

Saudara/i
warga
perisian bebas,
Projek komuniti ADempiere kini ada peluang bagi pelajar tempatan
menjejaki cara hidup bebas berdikari dengan kepakaran pelbagai ilmu
perisian bebas seperti Fitnesse, Java, Junit, OSGi, Ext JSP, PostgreSQL
dan HTML5 dengan melibatkan diri dalam satu projek yang berpengkalan di
negara Jerman. Seorang aprentis dari sana akan berada di Malaysia dari
bulan Ogos selama 6 bulan. Beliau adalah maskot projek - seperti
terpapar dalam laman www.adempiere.org
dan www.red1.org

Beliau akan berkongsi tugas projek dengan 2 aprentis terpilih dari
Malaysia, dan bagi aprentis tempatan yang berjaya juga akan berpeluang
ke luar negara samada Eropah atau Latin Amerika bergantung pada
persediaan yang sering ujud dikalangan komuniti luas ADempiere.
Pendedahan projek dan aprentis dari Jerman akan memangkinkan daya
pencapaian dengan lebih laju dari biasa serta bergiat secara global.

Sesiapa yang berminat hendaklah mengemukakan maklumat diri yang
menyakinkan kami tentang kesungguhan dirinya. Tiada apa elaun akan
diberikan dalam tempoh 3 bulan pertama. Bonus projek akan ditawarkan
sekiranya berjaya menguasai tunjuk ajar yang diberi dan menghasilkan
keperluan projek.

Rekod bio-data anda juga akan dinaik-taraf dengan pengkitirafan oleh
syarikat dari Jerman serta beberapa negara luar yang lain nanti
mengikut penerimaan sumbangan perisian bebas masing-masing. Ini akan
juga membantu indeks negara memanjat tangga sebagai pembangun perisian
bebas yang asli dan bertaraf dunia.

Kelulusan minima: SPM - Inggeris dan Matematik Tambahan - A+ atau A1

Sila tujukan permohonan kepada emel saya di atas sebelum 15hb June,
2012.

Redhuan D. Oon
Pengasas Projek ADempiere

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Re: [osdcmy] Ingin Menjadi Pembangun Perisian Bebas diiktiraf Jerman?

2012-06-08 Terurut Topik red1

ANK: Ya, boleh. ada juga kat FB saya: /red1org
MII: Saya pun tak lepas piawaian dunia. Saya pakai kepala otak fikir
cara lain.

On 6/8/12 2:01 PM, Ahmed Noor Kader Mustajir Md Eusoff wrote:
mohon share di fb, boleh boss?

2012/6/8 Mohamad Imran Ishak en.mak...@gmail.com
Ilmu
hisab ku tak mencapai piawai yg ditetapkan.

Pada 8 Jun 2012 12:56 PG, red1 r...@red1.org menulis:

Saudara/i
warga perisian bebas,
Projek komuniti ADempiere kini ada peluang bagi pelajar tempatan
menjejaki cara hidup bebas berdikari dengan kepakaran pelbagai ilmu
perisian bebas seperti Fitnesse, Java, Junit, OSGi, Ext JSP, PostgreSQL
dan HTML5 dengan melibatkan diri dalam satu projek yang berpengkalan di
negara Jerman. Seorang aprentis dari sana akan berada di Malaysia dari
bulan Ogos selama 6 bulan. Beliau adalah maskot projek - seperti
terpapar dalam laman www.adempiere.org
dan www.red1.org

Kelulusan minima: SPM - Inggeris dan Matematik Tambahan - A+ atau A1

Sila tujukan permohonan kepada emel saya di atas sebelum 15hb June,
2012.

Redhuan D. Oon
Pengasas Projek ADempiere

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[osdcmy] Ingin Menjadi Pembangun Perisian Bebas diiktiraf Jerman?

2012-06-07 Terurut Topik red1


Saudara/i warga perisian bebas,
Projek komuniti ADempiere kini ada peluang bagi pelajar tempatan 
menjejaki cara hidup bebas berdikari dengan kepakaran pelbagai ilmu 
perisian bebas seperti Fitnesse, Java, Junit, OSGi, Ext JSP, PostgreSQL 
dan HTML5 dengan melibatkan diri dalam satu projek yang berpengkalan di 
negara Jerman. Seorang aprentis dari sana akan berada di Malaysia dari 
bulan Ogos selama 6 bulan. Beliau adalah maskot projek - seperti 
terpapar dalam laman www.adempiere.org dan www.red1.org


Beliau akan berkongsi tugas projek dengan 2 aprentis terpilih dari 
Malaysia, dan bagi aprentis tempatan yang berjaya juga akan berpeluang 
ke luar negara samada Eropah atau Latin Amerika bergantung pada 
persediaan yang sering ujud dikalangan komuniti luas ADempiere. 
Pendedahan projek dan aprentis dari Jerman akan memangkinkan daya 
pencapaian dengan lebih laju dari biasa serta bergiat secara global.


Sesiapa yang berminat hendaklah mengemukakan maklumat diri yang 
menyakinkan kami tentang kesungguhan dirinya. Tiada apa elaun akan 
diberikan dalam tempoh 3 bulan pertama. Bonus projek akan ditawarkan 
sekiranya berjaya menguasai tunjuk ajar yang diberi dan menghasilkan 
keperluan projek.


Rekod bio-data anda juga akan dinaik-taraf dengan pengkitirafan oleh 
syarikat dari Jerman serta beberapa negara luar yang lain nanti mengikut 
penerimaan sumbangan perisian bebas masing-masing. Ini akan juga 
membantu indeks negara memanjat tangga sebagai pembangun perisian bebas 
yang asli dan bertaraf dunia.


Kelulusan minima: SPM - Inggeris dan Matematik Tambahan - A+ atau A1

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: [KOSTEM] I am closing my Facebook account

2012-04-25 Terurut Topik red1

Maybe it is not FB fault but the user and you just need some simple 
rules? Thanks to FB's contacts got me a free trip to Austria and an 
apartment to stay in Paris.


On 4/21/12 7:13 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

too chaotic and unorganised

huge waste of time




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[osdcmy] Penyataan akbar bersama Malaysia Social Media Foundation - Persatuan Sistem Bebas dan Sumber Terbuka Malaysia

2012-04-12 Terurut Topik red1





Penyataan akbar bersama  Malaysia Social Media Foundation (MSMF) -
Persatuan Sistem Bebas dan Sumber Terbuka Malaysia (PSBSTM)

Bertempat di Bilik Bunga Kenanga, Hotel
Seri Pacific, Kuala Lumpur pada April
11, 2012, satu mesyuarat telah menetapkan beberapa resolusi untuk
pertimbangan sewajar oleh Kementerian Sains Teknologi dan Innovasi
(MOSTI), Kerajaan Malaysia.


MSMF telah menganjurkan satu mesyuarat penubuhan NGO baru, Persatuan
Sistem Bebas dan Sumber Terbuka Malaysia (PSBSTM) yang dalam proses
pendaftaran dengan Pendaftar Pertubuhan. 

Mesyuarat telah menjalankan satu debat mengenai Akta BCPM di mana 12
ahli menolak sama sekali, 11 ahli ingin ia dirombak dan tiada ahli yang
menyokong Akta tersebut dalam bentuk sedia ada.

MSMF dan PSBSTM bersama menggesa kerajaan menimbang semula Akta
tersebut yang bakal dikemukakan di Parlimen supaya diberi kajian yang
lebih mendalam dengan mengambil kira pihak-pihak yang menjadi sasaran
Akta berkenaan iaitu golongan pelajar ICT, golongan pekerja ICT dan
golongan usahawan ICT. 

Kami merasakan bahawa Akta yang dicadang itu menumbulkan pelbagai
persoalan dikalangan kita pengamal ICT negara terutamanya yang
mendokong perisian bebas dan sumber terbuka. 

Walaupun Akta tersebut mempunyai niat yang baik iaitu mempertingkatkan
mutu nilai perlaksanaan projek ICT di negara ini kepada tahap mutu
dunia, kami merasakan cara dan kaedah yang terkandung dalam Akta
tersebut adalah tidak jelas, mungkin berat sebelah kepada pandangan
satu pihak sahaja dan masih kabur.

Beberapa butiran dalam Akta tersebut menimbulkan soalan berikut:

1. Apakah rang undang-undang ini bersamaan dengan apa yang diketahui
umum sebagai 'Professional
Technologists Bill'?

2. Apakah perisian bebas dan
sumber terbuka serta produk atau projek berkaitan dengannya tertakluk
dan bagaimana ianya tertakluk dalam Akta tersebut?

3. Apakah pengamal perisian
bebas dan sumber terbuka terlibat sama dan bagaimana mereka akan
didaftarkan sepertimana yang dianjurkan dalam Akta berkenaan?

4. Bagaimana tentang projek perisian
bebas dan sumber terbuka luar negara? Apakah cara lesen bebas, anggota
pembangun perisian dan kerja mereka jatuh di bawah kawalan Akta?

5. Bolehkah dipastikan yang Akta ini dikemukakan tanpa dikawal oleh
mana-mana satu pihak sahaja?

6. Bolehkah dipastikan yang proses pendaftaran para pakar ICT dan
pensijilan atau piawaian setaraf dengan peringkat dan cita-rasa dunia
dengan cara telus dan tidak berat sebelah?

Kami juga ingin menggesa MOSTI supaya menimbangkan peranan MNCC sebagai
badan pilhan kami untuk menjalankan urusan proses pendaftraan dan
piawaian tersebut. Kami akan mengadakan perbincangan seterusnya dengan
MNCC secara teknikal bagi mencapai maksud tersebut. Kami berharap MOSTI
akan mengadakan lebih banyak perbincangan secara teknikal dengan kami
bagi mencari satu jalan penyelesaian yang manasabah dan menyakinkan.

Sekian terima kasih,
Yang Berkhidmat
Redhuan D. Oon
(Presiden MSMF)
bagi pihak mesyuarat

salinan kepada Zam (s/u kerja) dan Dato' Radzi Abdul Latif (pengerusi
MSMF)




  
  
  
  Press Statement
  April 11, 2012
  Bilik Bunga Kenanga, Hotel Seri Pacific,
Kuala Lumpur
  
  
  An NGO formation meeting conducted today 11th
April, 2012, at Bilik Bunga Kenanga, Hotel Seri Pacific, Kuala Lumpur,
by Malaysia Social Media Foundation (MSMF) and Persatuan Sistem Bebas
dan Sumber Terbuka Malaysia (PSBSTM) (registration pending), hereby held a debate
over the proposed Computing Professional Bill (CPB) where 12 members
voted against the Bill, 11 voted for a review, while none voted in
support of the Bill.
  
  
  MSMF and PSBSTM jointly urge the government
to reconsider the proposed tabling of the Bill until a more thorough
study is conducted with the stakeholders that the Bill affects.
  
  
  We feel that the proposed Bill raise a lot of
questions and concerns among us ICT practitioners  Technologist
particularly from the Free and Open Source Software sector.
  
  
  Even though the proposed Bill has among its
intention of raising the quality of ICT projects implementation, we
feel that the way the Bill proposed to resolve that is vague, possibly
prejudicial and certainly confusing.
  
  
  The clauses in the Bill raises questions such
as:
  
  
  1. Is this Bill similar to the Professional
Technologists Bill?
  
  
  2. Will Free and Libre Open Source Software
(FLOSS) projects and products that our members are involved in be
affected?
  
  
  3. Will practitioners of FLOSS products be
affected?
  
  
  4. How will overseas FLOSS projects be
affected with regard to licensing and the project members and
developers responsible for the project?
  
  
  5. Ensure that any Bill that were passed will
not be monopolized by any 1 single party.
  
  
  6. Ensure that the process of Membership
 Certification would not only be in par with international
standard as well as being transparent and non prejudicial.
  
  
  We would like the government to hold more
discussions with the affected

[osdcmy] Panggilan mesyurat tergempar OSDC.my

2012-04-06 Terurut Topik red1

This is to re-ping Haris Hashim (just another newbie activist) effort
below.

Tuan/Puan Saudara/i semua.
Ini adalah panggilan mesyuarat tergempar bagi maksud urusan penubuhan
NGO kita iaitu OSDC.my yang masih tidak diluluskan pendaftarannya oleh
Pendaftar Pertubuhan. Setelah mendapat persetujuan dari protem chair
kita Sdr Harisfazilah maka kita perlu memperbaharui borang penajaan
berkaitan untuk dikemukakan dengan kadar segera sebelum PRU13 yang
dijangka September ini.

Kita sudah mendapat 15 kehadiran setakat ini di laman Facebook ini
https://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ dan kita perlu kenalpasti
siapa lagi yang ingin hadir bertujuan untuk tempahan makanan dan bentuk
dewan mesyuarat di Hotel Sri Pan Pacific sebelah PWTC pada waktu
mesyuarat iaitu 3 - 6 ptg, 11hb April (Rabu) ini.

Rancangan ini ditaja oleh sebuah MALAYSIAN
HUMAN
CAPITAL FOUNDATION (Yayasan Modal Insan Malaysia) dimana saya
adalah Pengarah FOSS nya. Yayasan tersebut juga akan membantu kami
dalam proses kelulusan persatuan kita serta mendapat dana sokongan
aktiviti nanti. Segalanya harus menuruti satu proses yang dijangka
lebih pendek kerana kami akan berhubung terus dengan Perdana Menteri
(political master, gomen du jour).

Kita perlu keahlian yang beralamat tujuh buah nogori sekiranya ingin
menjadi NGO berperingkat negara.

Tarikh tutup memberi persetujuan hadhir adalah esok hari Ahad jam 12
tengah hari kerana notis tempahan kekosongan venue dan hidangan perlu
masa yang secukupnya.

(Tuan Harisfazilah dan tuan Black - sila bawa segala borang dan
maklumat atau notebook anda untuk di tayangkan apa jua maklumat
berkaitan. Saya akan pohon ditempah bilik persidangan yang sesuai
dengan projektor LCD).

Sekian berkhidmat betul-betul untuk rakyat dan negara,
Redhuan D. Oon

On 4/7/12 12:05 AM, Haris Hashim wrote:
Salam Good Day!

There is a poll in OSDC.my Facebook group with the objective of setting
up a meeting. The poll is still running and feedback from OSDC member
are very much appreciated!

However, at this point we have finalized tentatively as follows

Date Time: Wednesday April 11, 2012 at 3.00 PM
Venue: Sri Pan Pacific (beside PWTC)

In order to gauge numbers of attendee. I would like to request those
who can physically come to above location at 3.00 PM ish. To visit the
poll and vote for "11th
April (wednesday) at 3pm".

Seat are limited and due date to express your interest is on
noon of Sunday 8th 2012. We are trying to be very accurate in planning
the number of seat and refreshment. So please vote if and only if
you can attend at the specified time as well as participate.

This event and effort to unite the community is sponsored by Malaysian
Human Capital Foundation.

Personally, I would like to thank Redhuan D. Oon, the foundation as
well as 7 other person in the CC for this opportunity.

Best Regards,
Haris Hashim Consultant HT

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Re: [osdcmy] UK Gov gores open source

2012-02-05 Terurut Topik red1





Bit slow from here to access M'sian gov.my. Must be due to heavy old
grafix used. Can anyone propose to the PM's Office for the needed
upgrade?
Greetings from So Paulo, Brazil.

On 2/5/12 11:33 AM, hadri hilmi wrote:
It looks very cleanhttps://www.gov.uk/
  
  
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Re: [osdcmy] Synch between OpenBravo POS and ADempiere made Free and Open

2011-09-05 Terurut Topik red1





Hambo ada merakamkan urutan operasi memperalatkan asynchronous queue
messaging antara dua projek tersebut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwXyK1KoO-M bagi bantu menyemboh dari
lekok pembelajaran yang agak tajam ini.

On 9/3/11 12:37 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini wrote:
menarik
  
  On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM, red1 r...@red1.org
wrote:
  http://red1.org/adempiere/viewtopic.php?f=29t=1356p=6654#p6654

enjoy~

red1

Aidil Fitri alMubarak~

  
  







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Re: [osdcmy] Fwd: [SFD-announce] SFD 2011 registration is LIVE!!!

2011-09-03 Terurut Topik red1





Since it starts from 9pm to 4pm, can i come at 12am?

I will come, unless i got employed :)

On 9/3/11 8:12 AM, sweemeng ng wrote:

  nice, if i get a leave, i will be there
  
  On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:52 PM,
linuxmalaysia linuxmalay...@gmail.com
wrote:
  Team

I need to bring this up again so we do not miss the date.

http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Malaysia/Kuala%20Lumpur/OSDCMY

Venue

Universiti Kuala Lumpur www.unikl.edu.my 

Date

Wednesday, 21 Sept 2011 

Time

From 9.00 PM to 4:30 PM 
Schedule(This is just Idea like last year): 

  09:00 - Checking in 
  09:30 - Welcoming + Lightning Talk 
  10.00 - Presentation by Eric Yeoh 
  11.00 - Slide 2 
  12.00 - Slide 3 
  01:00 - Lunch/social networking/gathering 
  02:00 - Let Party!!! 

Will be a Lucky Draw (SFD Tshirt Limited Edition) 

TODO :-

Registration form
Budget
PM : Fazli ? You OK ke nak lead banyak menda 20 21 tu.

  
  
  







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[osdcmy] Synch between OpenBravo POS and ADempiere made Free and Open

2011-09-02 Terurut Topik red1


http://red1.org/adempiere/viewtopic.php?f=29t=1356p=6654#p6654

enjoy~

red1

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[osdcmy] Using UISpec4J To Test Java GUI Panels

2011-08-12 Terurut Topik red1

Something to make Azrul drool, unless he beaten me to it which is always 
the case.


http://red1empire.blogspot.com/2011/08/uispec4j-with-fitnesse-test-pos.html

Jouir de la liberté, profiter de la vie

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Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming

2011-07-31 Terurut Topik red1

Just back from Manila and among the students at Colleges and Unis there
they seem to be given:
1. Java for one year. But they ended up using Python and quite good at
it.
2. SAP ERP - just functional theory.

Their heads of education told me that issue is time, not dreams. Yes,
they like to dream for the sky but there is only so much time not just
the students, but the lecturers themselves.

Of course i told them the same thing i been singing all this while. You
teach them foreign goods, they go foreign for good. Fight in your turf
(own IP), and kick out the foreigners (i mean the software not the rock
band).

Salam Ramadhan from Kuang!

On 7/30/11 1:57 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
basic, 1983 in singapore - i think it was on ms dos 1.0

the assesment was to develop a flight reservation system

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Hasanuddin
Abu Bakar bizkut...@gmail.com
wrote:
For
mIRC fans out there. Have some scripts to test. written by me back in
2004. hehe

http://www.mirc.net/user/bizkut/projects

http://www.mircscripts.org/comments.php?cid=2501

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 1:02 PM,
Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com
wrote:

Hehe. Html don't have logic. You have to combine with
_javascript_ and csss to make something out of it.

On 30 Jul 2011 12:55, "darXness darXness"
darxl...@gmail.com wrote:

err...html boleh ke?hihii..

1st,html.
2nd,C.tak sempat nak blajar C++.hahaha

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Ahmad Amran r0k...@gmail.com
wrote:
For me it's PHP 10 years ...
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Re: [osdcmy] We Need Brand Awareness

2011-05-14 Terurut Topik red1





The power of branding here, it is not just about the product or the
twit ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_twitter_feed_fight

  
  

  On Apr 30, 2011 8:37 PM, "Garfield WTF"
garfi...@debmal.my wrote:
  
I am willing to work together with you in this, if there is no one
stopping me from doing so.
  
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Re: [osdcmy] Google Prediction API

2011-05-13 Terurut Topik red1


On 5/13/11 6:12 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
i wonder if we can dump the historical data of the iraq war, then try 
to predict the future outcome of the libya invasion ? that would be 
extremely strategic.




 i knew you are capable of asking such an outlandish question.

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Re: [osdcmy] Google Prediction API

2011-05-13 Terurut Topik red1





Can it predict when the drained brains return to Malaysia?

On 5/13/11 6:52 PM, sweemeng ng wrote:

  Or you teach a powerful ai battlefield strategy to enslave mankind
  On May 13, 2011 6:12 PM, "Raja Iskandar
Shah" rajaiskand...@gmail.com
wrote:
 i wonder if we can dump the historical data of the iraq war, then
try to
 predict the future outcome of the libya invasion ? that would be
extremely
 strategic.
 

  







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[osdcmy] Let us all hear from Linus


Was passed to me by my mentor and i share Linus most recent remarks here:

http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981

btw, Microsoft is buying Skype today at USD7b. Go GooglePhone you guys. 
Or better still jump on the bandwagon and produce one app like that :)


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Re: [osdcmy] Calling Python i mean Mac guru





Ah! Azrul! Cava bien. Et al,
Je vous present
http://red1empire.blogspot.com/2011/05/idempiere-adempiere-on-osgi.html
Au voir!

On 5/10/11 9:51 PM, Azrul MADISA wrote:

  Or u can virtualize the whole thing
  On May 9, 2011 4:49 PM, "red1" r...@red1.org
wrote:

On 5/9/11 9:27 PM, red1 wrote:

 This is probably up Boh's alley. I just upgraded my MacBook to
10...
solved it. some tools.jar difference handling that is solved by
selecting the right OS.. in my case just click on Mac (!).
  







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Re: [osdcmy] Python sprint

Pls count me in for 21st. May i know the location of Inigo?

On 4/30/11 11:16 PM, sweemeng ng wrote:

Today was chatting with the gang, a.k.a Kagesenshi and
cl chow. also kaeru
We decided that, we going to have a sprint in Inigo Consulting,
date undecided, it is between May and July. I try to make it soon so
that it will not be stale.

The goal of a sprint is, To setup aContinuous Integration(CI)
server setup for python development, using Jenkins or Buildbot.
The idea is, everyone will test a setup of a Continuous
Integration server with a project of their own, with either Jenkins and
Buildbot. From it:

we share what we do on the project, what we test, whether we
use tools to help
how to setup with the CI server
what goes wrong, and how to fix this
what stuff we like on the tools
what extra plugin we installed.
in the end of it, we will document the process. and the result
on python malaysia site.
that include any surprises during the process

Extra stuff to expect from this sprint.

Know way to use the python unittest/unittest2 module
Whether to use testing tools like nose, and how
What kind of test to or can be covered, and how to do it
What kind of plugin to use along site of Jenkins or Buildbot
Maybe some surprises

What the requirement from the you guys that want to join

Have A open mind
Willingness to learn
Willingness to share

If you don't know how to set one up, we will teach and you can
learn during the sprint.

If you don't know what I talking about, more reason to join this
activity just to learn isn't it :p

Date coming soon

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Re: [osdcmy] Python sprint


On 5/11/11 9:40 AM, sweemeng ng wrote:


Please come I wish to know how the java community do it too



My interest is that i have setup Fitnesse testing which works with our 
ADempiere  Java code and the next step is to port it onto Jenkins build 
server, but i guess that takes a few steps and hopefully i can pick up 
some vital starters from your session.
I trust the Python layer maybe some manager interface layer away from 
the food, i mean code.
Otherwise we already have JSR223 scripting oven for our column callout 
for any DB model within.


Will google for Inigo Subang Jaya location :)

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[osdcmy] Calling Python i mean Mac guru

2011-05-09 Terurut Topik red1

This is probably up Boh's alley. I just upgraded my MacBook to 10.5.8 
and the Java 1.6.0 seems to be not JDK. Jeezz.. i hate Steve Jobs, i 
mean i am now toasted as ADempiere and other stuff needs more JDK than 
SDK. Any1 knows the way back or out?


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Re: [osdcmy] Calling Python i mean Mac guru

2011-05-09 Terurut Topik red1


On 5/9/11 9:27 PM, red1 wrote:
This is probably up Boh's alley. I just upgraded my MacBook to 10.5.8 
and the Java 1.6.0 seems to be not JDK. Jeezz.. i hate Steve Jobs, i 
mean i am now toasted as ADempiere and other stuff needs more JDK than 
SDK. Any1 knows the way back or out?


solved it. some tools.jar difference handling that is solved by 
selecting the right OS.. in my case just click on Mac (!).


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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

2011-05-07 Terurut Topik red1

Boh, thanks for the link, which i can see:
"Tricubes shares soar
on news it will be working with Microsoft"

Now that pops the spiritual question - Is that not what we all care
about? It is making money legally. With FOSS you cannot make that kind
of money. Give it up guys.

I mean look at the pathetic of us here, without dough, swimming among
sharks, just got our lifebelts yanked (MDec financial support) and the
heli did not show up (RM10m promise from MDec) and still lots of
borang-borang to fill up while kicking hard in the water (to get
tidbits from the so called RM10m). But the final laugh should come
while you get 'lucky' and called up by MOSTI to defend your proposal
with the question, "Can you idea beat Tricubes idea of working with MS
and become commercially viable?"

Side-note to Raja: "Is the above the kind of rant you wished for?"
Side-note to Rafe: "Just having fun on a Sunday morning cos i aint
going to church. :)"

On 5/8/11 12:47 AM, E A Faisal wrote:
Dear Mr Pemandu Director, sir, are you on crack or
somethin'?

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com
wrote:
sorry,
I wrote this some time back, but it got stuck in my outbox, or
rather drafts... but the arguments are still valid.

BTW, in yesterdays TheStar, Idris Jala head of PEMANDU came out with a
full 2-page 'expalnation' for the 1Malaysia email...

more updates on triCubes

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/4/22/business/8530788sec=business

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Re: [osdcmy] OSDC.my Pitch

2011-05-07 Terurut Topik red1

With due respect i don't see the point in name meaning in helping to get 
money (but i agree with Eric's earlier branding strategy). AFAIK money 
respects one and only one rule, How fast can we get our money back?, 
meaning viability of your business plan, meaning paperwork, paperwork, 
paperwork. After that, screaming, screaming, screaming - to defend your 
paper of course in front of a few goofballs who has no idea of anything 
before the dollar sign.



On 5/8/11 8:19 AM, Garfield WTF wrote:

I agree with changing the word club to committee.
In fact, this is the word I used when I told ppl about OSDC, and I 
almost forget the C, is actually club.


Anyway, changing the C to Committee can in fact build the public 
confidence on us.
For an example, the MOSC, sponsors will be more willing to channel a 
huge amount of money into the event if it is organized by a committee 
of IT professionals rather than channeling the money into a Club 
which giving them an impression that Club is something like a group 
of professionals hang around for leisure during free time only.


So it would strongly agree with the changes of the word C.

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Re: [osdcmy] RM 50m to Tricubes Bhd to develop 1 Malaysia SecureEmail Server

2011-04-22 Terurut Topik red1

Hmm.. quite some bitching going on and i hope it is not against the
gomen. :)

I hope i am wrong, but i pitched this idea 1o years ago while CTO in a
public listed concern, and i wonder if it floated to Tricubes. The idea
was since all citizens have a unique NRID number then a provider can
just tie up with the NR Dept to be the guaranteed email repository for
all NRIDs. All the citizens will have that NRID no as email username,
whether they want to or not, its their choice, but the gomen can send
them email in secured fashion as NR Dept has confirmed that such NRID
belogs to so and so and only a certain provider is certified to support
it. My idea was to make this very free and its sustained through the
poor taxpayers money thru rebates if they participate also in e-polling
and e-social contributions back to the country.

Well, i guess there is always commercial entities intending to make
money instead of making the country go up. Not surprised since we now
got 'open core' players among us.

On 4/22/11 12:25 PM, Maulvi Bakar wrote:
+100

Income Tax e-filing, expandable functionality.

Singapore's e-Citizenhttp://www.ecitizen.gov.sg/

Same concept. Different country.

myemail.my ?!? Windows Live?!?!

WTF!?!

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Mohd Kamal
Bin Mustafa ka...@smach.net wrote:
On
Fri,
Apr 22, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Mohamad Imran imtym@gmail.com
wrote:

GMail percuma je.

Do you want to receive your official and maybe sometime confidential
letter on your gmail account, unencrypted ? Me not and not through
myemail.my. I'd rather have it in my mailbox, the one at the side of
my gate. It's not about being free but what's the money worth, in this
case RM50mil. Like ihsan said somewhere in this thread, if we really
want to do it paperless, take the eFiling style approach. Centralized
web apps, access through ssl. At least the data stay there, not
travelling over public network, Easy for everyone, no digital cert
fuss, more secure (hopefully). Combined it with single authentication
to all goverment's website.

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Re: [osdcmy] Review MOSC2011 First Draf

2011-04-17 Terurut Topik red1





Kenape tidak Bahasa?
"Zaman Perubahan"

On 4/17/11 8:26 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
quick review
  
english grammar correction
  
  Innovating the
Change 
  Does not sound right... perhaps it should be Innovating Change ?







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Re: [osdcmy] Java Apprentice Wanted

2011-04-14 Terurut Topik red1





Actually i just wana spread the message that to get what you want in
life all you need is passion. No guru or Allah can help you (take away
the satisfaction from you achieving it on your own). FOSS gave me that.

Here is how i enjoy teaching others and earn the bragging rights:

http://red1empire.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-do-i-want-to-help-you.html

On 4/3/11 8:08 PM, Soire Meira wrote:
yang dok tgh ambik DIT pon blh ek.. nk apply jgk.. pkai
netbeans ke?
  
  2011/4/3 LyanaHamka lyana.ha...@gmail.com
  is
this applicable for students from IT background looking for internship
for 7 months period?

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Re: [osdcmy] Mintak pandangan Projek OSS

2011-04-09 Terurut Topik red1


Apa matlamat projek hang?

On 4/10/11 9:25 AM, darXness darXness wrote:

AsSalam...

nak mnx idea skit.skrng nie tgh planning 1 projek@ikas.nak gune
OSS lam tmpt ak nie.so far planning ikut phase2,nie yg da dpt idea
skrng nie,
==
1.Research
Problem status
Pilih oss yang nak pakai
perbandingan OSS/Windows.sbb nak
research (sebelum-semasa-selepas)
prepare kertas cadangan

2.Prepare Infrastructur(hardware etc) + Modul
WIM/Modul penggunaan Ubuntu + OpenOffice.org (ntuk lecturer)
Infrastructur (setting printer,server etc)

3.Training staff/lecturer
Install Ubuntu kat Lab (Ubuntu/O0o/setting)
Install OOo kat komp staff n lecturer

4.Update current WIM
Update/convert WIM yang akan digunakan dlm sesi pengajaran
Training utk studnt-diajar dlm sesi pengajaran

5.Finalize
Kuatkuasa penguatkuasaan penggunaan
Pemantauan dan helpdesk

===
ade idea laen x?or nak tmbh2 ke.sbb nie projek OSS 1st kat sini.thanx =D

   


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Re: [osdcmy] Mintak pandangan Projek OSS

2011-04-09 Terurut Topik red1

Berapa lama pulak tempoh untuk mencapai matlamat tersebut? Mungkin lama 
waktu dan tenaga yang diperlukan. Sekiranya terhad sumber atau tempoh 
yang diberikan, saya cadangkan buat satu POC (proof of concept) yang 
membuat perbandingan antara FOSS dan Windows versions lalu buktikan yang 
mana lebih cekap, mudah dan murah. Lepas itu persembahkan hasil kajian 
serta data benchmarking tersendiri kepada persidangan dimana jua dalam 
dunia. Boleh dapat doctorate kot satu hari nanti. Tambah $$$ dan makin 
ramai pengikut saudara nanti. Pemangkin yang diperlukan hari ini dalam 
FOSS tempatan ialah menambahkan icon.


Just my dua sen.

On 4/10/11 9:58 AM, darXness darXness wrote:

luper lak...nak eliminate windows lam Institut nie.nak start gune OSS
sume.sng cite,xnak gune yg license2 berbayar dah.=D

2011/4/10 red1r...@red1.org:
   

Apa matlamat projek hang?

On 4/10/11 9:25 AM, darXness darXness wrote:
 



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Re: [osdcmy] Java Apprentice Wanted

2011-04-04 Terurut Topik red1

On 4/4/11 9:23 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:

I jugak tahan maki...2 tahun kat OSCC.

Eric

@Eric, what for i take you? you are immune to any words of torment. i
cannot
beat what you got from where you come from.

@Cik Nor Arlina Amirah,
Tawaran untuk menjadi seorang aprentis pakar Java ERP dan 'Open
Source innovator' adalah serius dan yang berikut adalah syarat cadangan
dan
keadaannya:

TUJUAN:
0. Mencapai indeks '5 world class developer' yang cuba dilakukan oleh
sebuah institusi kerajaan tetapi pada hemat saya, akan gagal dan maka
memerlukan daya tersendiri tanpa bergantung kepada apa jua bantuan
pihak institusi.
1. Calon memilih sesuatu bidang yang menarik untuk dicimpungi sehingga
terlahir sebagai satu projeknya yang memberi hak cipta 'sumber terbuka'
kepada dirinya. Seterusnya diharapkan projek tersebut hidup dengan
komuniti yang tersendiri dan diiktiraf di peringkat dunia serta
menambahkan nilai modal minda kepada negara kita.

2. Calon boleh memilih salah satu ide projek berikut:
a. Mencantum apa jua aplikasi dengan ADempiere:
i. Asterisk
ii. GoogleMap
iii. Emel
iv. OpenOffice
v. Android

(Untuk pengetahuan, aplikasi tersebut sudah pun terbukti tercantum dan
tersiar umum. Namun calon dikehendaki menggunakan daya kreatifnya untuk
meneroka penambah-baikan atau penghasilan projek yang lebih unik, baru
dan sendiri memimpin di depan dari segi tangga dunia.

KELAYAKAN
0. Daya potensi menguasai bahasa pengatur-caraan Java mesti sudah
terselar dalam diri seseorang calon yang berminat:
a. Mempunyai keputusan peperiksaan SPM untuk Matematik Tambahan
setinggi A1.
b. Mampu lulus peperiksaan IQ atas yang biasa 165.
Sila cuba dengan apa jua IQ Test atas talian untuk pasti.

1. Calon yang berminat hendaklah mampu menggunakan internet semata-mata
untuk mencari, memuat-turun dan menjayakan apa jua aplikasi sumber
terbuka secara tersendiri tanpa pimpinan secara fizikal. Sila rujuk
kitab mengenai budaya yang diperlukan :
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/adempiere/MasterOpenSourceCulture.zip?use_mirror=transact

PROSES BIMBINGAN
1. Calon yang sedemikian boleh menerima tunjuk ajar lebih tinggi yang
bermutu secara langsung dari saya kebetulan sudah diiktiraf sebagai
'Guru' dan global founding leader sebuah projek atasan dalam
SourceForge. Ia boleh dilakukan secara berperingkat dalam bentuk
'personal
coaching'. Ini boleh dilakukan secara dalam kelas dan atas talian. Saya
lebih selesa calon berdikari tanpa penyelaian secara langsung. Namun
saya boleh memberi beberapa sesi penting secara bersemuka untuk
menerangkan beberapa konsep yang mendalam yang payah difahami secara
teori. Antaranya ialah:
i. Open Source mengalahkan perisian tertutup dari segi Hak Cipta
Intelektual (ini masih tidak difahami oleh kebanyakan institusi awam
yang berkenaan.)
ii. Kaedah membangun projek secara 'Social Networking' menerusi kaedah
'branded'
2. Cara belajar terbaik untuk menguasai Java secara praktikal.

Saya akan memberikan lebih coaching teknik menguasai Java sekiranya
calon memang menunjukkan minat luar biasa menguasainya.

Initiatif ini saya dapat mengambil sekarang kerana:
1. Saya sudah mengumpul cukup ilmu kungfu mengenai projek berasaskan
Java selepas 8 tahun di dalamnya.
2. Saya sudah cukup bebas kerana berdikari sepenuhnya dengan pendapatan
atas talian tanpa perlu terikat dengan mana-mana pihak secara geografi
maupun politik.
3. Tugasan saya secara harian terkini memang berkait rapat dengan
pelbagai kegunaan bernilai komersil berkaitan ADempiere seperti:
a. QA dan Testing Engine
b. Manufacturing Module
c. Fixed Assets
d. Maintenance of Assets
e. Costing Engine
f. Component Model dari OSGi

Panduan lengkap berbentuk e-book juga akan diberikan kepada calon yang
serius.

PERINGATAN: Indeks kegagalan aprentis selama ini adalah 100%, iaitu
tiada seorang pun aprentis saya sejak 1997 yang berjaya. Namun mereka
masing-masing secara umum bertambah nilai dalam pasaran akibat proses
pengaprentisan saya:

1. Biodata mereka lebih global kerana apa jua projek yang mereka
terlibat pasti ada rujukan dari syarikat pengguna seluruh dunia.
2. Pendedahan teknikal adalah menyeluruh dan bersifat 'enterprise' dan
berkaitan sistem kewangan yang bernilai cukup tinggi dalam pasaran
dunia.
3. Mereka mempelajari beberapa teknik shortcut dalam hidup tanpa
melalui kesilapan yang telah dilakukan dalam hidup saya dari segi
mengejar kerjaya yang sesuai.

Ini tidak bermakna seseorang aprentis mesti berjaya dari kacamata saya
yang ingin mereka itu mencapai objektif utama tersebut di atas. Tetapi
mereka dikira berjaya sekiranya mereka menambah gaji bulanan mereka
nanti secara mendadak. Matlamat gaji yang sepatutnya ialah dari RM2000
sebulan kepada RM5000 sebulan dalam setahun. Pendapatan saya sendiri
adalah bernilai RM15k sebulan.

Sekiranya masih yang rasa teringin mencuba silalah hantar satu karangan
lengkap secara bebas mengapa saya patut terima mereka untuk tawaran ini.

Sekian wasalam
Redhuan D. Oon
www.red1.org

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On 4/5/11 1:34 PM, Nor Arlina Amirah Ahmad Ghani wrote:

  okay
tunggu dah grad dan jadi Jedi Master + repeat balek Addmath yang dapat
C5 tu then baru I apply back. TQ =)

maaf.. web akses di Bangkok ni masalah.. tersekat saya sangka tak
terhantar lalu edit dan hantar semula.

@Nor, sebenarya saya pun dapat C5 dalam Add Maths. Maka masih boleh
mencuba ikut pesanan yang telah dieditkan tadi.
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Re: [osdcmy] LPI Certified and other linux certified

2011-04-03 Terurut Topik red1


On 4/3/11 4:26 PM, Boh Yap wrote:

Raja,

snipped

Commenting on yr hiring objectives, it is not the technical skills
that i look for. it is their pre-disposition to acquire and adapt
technical skills..
its not wrong, but don't you/we think it reflects sadly on our
training intituitions?

We SHOULD BE hiring for technical skills! If I'm a owner of a
data-centre, I want to be able to hire a cloud-computing expert
but alas, our Edu system can't produce any of them. So I hire some
person whom I think has a right aptitude and train them on the job!
Don't you/anybody think this is the wrong picture!!

   
Boh, it is ok in Malaysia because the man they hire to head MDec is not 
that technical either. Raja told me he is a salesman. And MOSTI big wigs 
are left to law abiding beaurocrats. I use to see their job specs with a 
smallprint in it: Follow any other orders that may be given by your 
superior from time to time in compliance with General Orders. There 
won't be room for creativity.


In Brunei someone told me that govt is not a good innovator. But it is a 
good regulator. Thus they should come out with taxation or exemption to 
generate creativity. For example, if you installed your own instead of 
paying propretary vendors, you get to claim tax exemption to the amount 
of money you saved.


Trust me. There will be a gold rush for OSDC.my membershp forms.

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Re: [osdcmy] LPI Certified and other linux certified

2011-04-03 Terurut Topik red1

I concede my first point and i tarik balik tuduhan. I owe you one daun 
pisang at Raju's.
One the 2nd last point below, i think if we can show them the numbers, 
i.e. FOSS can generate 1% of GDP as i found out from some UN report 
(while squatting in OSCC with Raja some time ago), i think we can prove 
that innovation from FOSS far outweigh the short term benefit of 
proprietary tax.
A smarter nation is a more productive and innovative one, with perhaps 
some Nobel prize geniuses in the offing. Now that is worth a billion to 
the country if we got just one miserable candidate.


On 4/3/11 6:04 PM, Boh Yap wrote:

hi Red1,

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 4:41 PM, red1r...@red1.org  wrote:
   

Boh, it is ok in Malaysia because the man they hire to head MDec is not that
technical either. Raja told me he is a salesman. And MOSTI big wigs are left
to law abiding beaurocrats. I use to see their job specs with a smallprint
in it: Follow any other orders that may be given by your superior from time
to time in compliance with General Orders. There won't be room for
creativity.

 

hiring the ppl with the 'right skills' for the job is not even
'innovation', its just basic competency! If hiring someone with tech
skills to fill some management position is considered innovation, I
really feel (bad) for Malaysia, we got a long way to go...

   

In Brunei someone told me that govt is not a good innovator. But it is a
good regulator. Thus they should come out with taxation or exemption to
generate creativity. For example, if you installed your own instead of
paying propretary vendors, you get to claim tax exemption to the amount of
money you saved.

Trust me. There will be a gold rush for OSDC.my membershp forms.

 

Ha, this will be good if it happens, but then there is a serious
conflict of interest. The vendors won't be able to make tons of
money from services, so the gov. cannot tax them as much, and they
have to give out money to the smart customers! - not gonna happen

   


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Re: [osdcmy] LPI Certified and other linux certified

2011-04-03 Terurut Topik red1





Since u are so serious, here are some pointers. You got to do your own
research into almost anything and everything related to computing in
FOSS way. Sifu can be irritated if you bother him with newbie questions
all the time. If Sifu keeps quiet, it means, "Pergi Google lah bro".
Again, if the sifu maki hamun is not a good sifu. I have maki hamun
enough. Its time to relax. Tadi baru balik dari meronda tengah-tengah
bandaraya Bangkok sampai 5 pagi. Macam-macam yang tidak dapat dicerita
di sini tetapi memberangsangkan minda. Java skills selepas ini pasti
melonjak naik ke paras global.

On 4/4/11 5:01 AM, riZer Enterprise wrote:
As a newcomer aka newbie; i will not get anywhere without
all your tunjuk ajar, preaches and makian (from mistake) from you all
masters, sifus and gurus. please teach me a thing or two. maaf i cannot
give you money for the lessons you tought. i just wanna sama-sama cari
makan together. dan mengurangkan beban yang korang kena tanggung. Berat
sama dipikul ringan sama dijinjing
  
"Ke Arah Merealisasikan Satu Sumber"
  
  
Azhar
  
  2011/4/4 Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com
  hi
Red1,
  
  







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Re: [osdcmy] LPI Certified and other linux certified

Last year, i did some HR development consulting for some local military 
equipment crew which was trained by a foreign superpower.

Their no.1 requirement:
Transfer of know how via log book kept by local counterpart, when 
learning from expartriate engineer.

Their No.1 issue:
Few hardly upkeep their log books. And hardly anyone to review of them.
My no.1 recommendation:
Institute examination standards and independent drill tests.

IMHO, log books is a very hi-effort, hi-initiative endeavour. It is 
highly relevant in high risk careers such as aircraft crew, but for on 
the ground desktop BigMac munchers, a well generated test regime such as 
done by SCJP (Java) and CCNA (Cisco) should suffice. In fact CCNA test 
questions are experienced based where without experience you would fail. 
Log books are also quite subjective requiring good counterpart reviewers 
to read what is written and provide a measurable benchmark to it. 
Professional exams are a quick way to say if you got the minimal skillsets.


On 4/2/11 1:09 AM, Boh Yap wrote:

hi all,

to widen this discussion

Personally, I'm against certification as the SOLE means of selection,
maybe its because  of our over emphasis of A's in exams, that produced
'qualified' but incompetent personnel. Also perhaps of the many MCSE's
out there, who are trained to click buttons... and setup servers with
security holes.

On the other hand, i can understand employers and HR departments
needs, at least in using certification as the 1st level filtering
process.

However a knowledgeable interviewer will very quickly sort out how
much the interviewee knows about Linux or programming. Both of these
are practical skills, and experience counts, especially when they have
encountered problems, solved them ad learnt from it. Unfortunately,
for organizations that are going into FLOSS for the first time, may
not have the expertise to conduct interviews for FLOSS personal.

Perhaps we can borrow some techniques form another hands-on skilled
based profession, airline pilots. Pilots are required to keep a log
book, especially during their 'training' period, where they record the
no. hours flown, the routes that they flew and problems that they may
have encountered. Perhaps Linux sysadmins should do the same, keep a
log of the servers they setup, distro, disk partitions  file system
setup, software installed, backup systems used etc...   If Linux
professional were to do this, then its very easy for a prospective
employer  to asses his capabilities.
   


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Re: [osdcmy] LPI Certified and other linux certified

btw Boh, how did u know it involved an Exocet? You are on the watchlist 
now my friend :)
Ok back to the log book argument. Why not go back to our own best 
practice? Show me your code. No, not from your notebook. From 
SourceForge template or other repository and there we can examine 
trackers and their log entries to see if they follow the discipline or not.
I learnt alot while working on the ADempiere project using SourceForge. 
Stuff such as FR, Bug trackers, auto numbering; atomic mapping of each 
tracker to each bug fix and commit; describing how to replicate the bug, 
and which Bug tracker number refers to which commit revision.  Just an 
idea on how to be lazy fruitfully.


On 4/3/11 2:19 AM, Boh Yap wrote:

ah, good discussion, logbook vs exams, lets carry on...

These are 2 different paradigms,

 From the employee POV:
 



   


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Re: [osdcmy] LPI Certified and other linux certified

Good info Raja.. hmm.. i once saw an advert from a Bangalore IT school
that teach JVM hacking - now that is real guru stuff which that
sub-continent are great for and its cheap. Indian tour anyone?
About carrying the sifu's bag is about increasing the apprentice shock
absorbing capabilties. Anyway now it has increased to back massage and
kopi making which my last apprentice herein Thailand really did that!
Soon i will upgrade to Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh lifestyle.

On 4/3/11 10:02 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

when interviewing fresh graduates i use these :

academic - as a measure of discipline, those with 3.5 cgpa
grades tend to be more dateline and time concious

project work - as a measure of independent research on the
topic (esp literature review)

blogs, forums, etc - as a measure of communicating with peers

3 years' ambition - as a measure of dedication

it is not the technical skills that i look for. it is their
pre-disposition to acquire and adapt technical skills

red1, has some pretty weird criteria, like "carrying the sifu's
bag".. hahaha... i would love to have some of those too

by the way, training for rhce in india is only rm600, compared
to rm3000 in malaysia. exam fees are the same. some of my friends from
india say it is cheaper to get certification than to get a car driving
license (small bits of info that dont get published). also in india,
there is still the culture of skilled apprenticeship, whereas kat
malaysia boleh land, economics graduate pun boleh jadi multi-million
ringgit ict project director (lepas tu project director sakit jantung
sebab the pmp certified project manager tak buat project management,
instead sibuk buat functional giler)

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[osdcmy] Java Apprentice Wanted

I have vacancy for a Malaysian based apprentice that has to carry the 
sifu's bag and be taught the latest in Java martial arts.
Requirements: Straight As in SPM / O Levels double maths and Science and 
English. Passion. Within 5 minutes i will tell you if you make the cut.
Areas that you will master from the sifu: Open Source apps such as 
Eclipse, ADempiere, Fitnesse, OSGi and heading for Java version 8.


Renumeration: USD0 per mth X 12 mths + 10% of revenue = +USD10k per annum.
Possible side reward if you still around the sifu: All expense 1 mth 
paid travel to Paris in next year FOSS happenings there. I will try to 
introduce you to Marc Fleury and i will teach u some survival French to 
avoid getting slapped by the ladies there.
Career path: Within 1 year can enter the global job market which 
advertised for such developer at 48k p.a. British pounds (that was 2 
years ago). With a letter from the sifu you ought to get home safely.
Caveat: Can be fired within 24 hrs for failing to make good coffee for 
the sifu.


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Re: [osdcmy] Java Apprentice Wanted

Tahan maki - Please provide factual reference as how bad you been
makied before and what you did after that.
So far since 1998 i taken in tens of apprentices. Many moved on to
higher paying jobs as a result. None survived my killer maki. Some even
maki back.

On 4/3/11 12:04 PM, riZer Enterprise wrote:
:) i'm in for the trial
my kelebihan = (tahan maki)
kekurangan = (sengkek habis)

hahahaha
coming to kl 7 and 8 th April
expected salary 4310150 indonesian rupiah

azhar

2011/4/3 red1 r...@red1.org
I
have vacancy for a Malaysian based apprentice that has to carry the
sifu's bag and be taught the latest in Java martial arts.
Requirements: Straight As in SPM / O Levels double maths and Science
and English. Passion. Within 5 minutes i will tell you if you make the
cut.
Areas that you will master from the sifu: Open Source apps such as
Eclipse, ADempiere, Fitnesse, OSGi and heading for Java version 8.

Renumeration: USD0 per mth X 12 mths + 10% of revenue = +USD10k per
annum.
Possible side reward if you still around the sifu: All expense 1 mth
paid travel to Paris in next year FOSS happenings there. I will try to
introduce you to Marc Fleury and i will teach u some survival French to
avoid getting slapped by the ladies there.
Career path: Within 1 year can enter the global job market which
advertised for such developer at 48k p.a. British pounds (that was 2
years ago). With a letter from the sifu you ought to get home safely.
Caveat: Can be fired within 24 hrs for failing to make good coffee for
the sifu.

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On 4/3/11 12:29 PM, riZer Enterprise wrote:
for me cacian and makian build my strength. so beware i
gain power with that. it's just make me fuller in person
snipped
2. kalau saya terasa hati baru saya akan beringat so kalau nak nasihat
saya (DO NOT) talk nice to me. Bagi saya sakit hati baru saya tak akan
lupa (orang kedah panggil = "lengai") sebab bengang yang terpendam
akibat kena maki. :)

My policy now is not to maki the murid. I let the customer maki the
murid for me. Then i maki the customer. So the murid tak buruk sangka.
KAKAHKAH.
I don't think anyone gain power from hurtful remarks. I am speaking
from 29 yrs experience working, kene maki, maki balik and kene maki
lagi.
Ppl gain power from seeing what they themselves could achieve. If you
still malas, even Allah cannot help you.
The best srength i get is from getting almost no pay while preaching
and contributing free lunch code and tutorials. When 5 more mouths at
home is awaiting or their kungfu daddy to bring home food is where i
get my strength. I am willing to clean jamban and eat grass to prove
myself. So far i have never gone hungry. Allah always generous. He is
my greatest teacher. He holds the Qadha and Qadar. He always give me
from where i least expected. This is all i can teach my murid. It is
not in the Jawoh language. It is in the language of the qalbu.

2011/4/3 red1 r...@red1.org

Tahan maki - Please provide
factual reference as how bad you been
makied before and what you did after that.
So far since 1998 i taken in tens of apprentices. Many moved on to
higher paying jobs as a result. None survived my killer maki. Some even
maki back.

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Re: [osdcmy] Java Apprentice Wanted


On 4/3/11 12:29 PM, riZer Enterprise wrote:
for me cacian and makian build my strength. so beware i gain power 
with that. it's just make me fuller in person

snipped
2. kalau saya terasa hati baru saya akan beringat so kalau nak nasihat 
saya (DO NOT) talk nice to me. Bagi saya sakit hati baru saya tak akan 
lupa (orang kedah panggil = lengai) sebab bengang yang terpendam 
akibat kena maki. :)


Sebenarnya, lebih baik tahan segan buat kesilapan is more useful than 
tahan kene maki. A very important character of a hacker is to make the 
most brilliant of mistakes rather been scared stiff and not willing to 
try and fail and learn something new.


Software bugs are mistakes that occur everyday. Open Source allows more 
eyeballs to make all bugs shallow. In it means alot of fume, flames and 
discord that FOSS person lives thru within a thiriving community. You 
will have an interesting life. If not, drop IT and take up culinary science.


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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa





Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk
alam ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera,
cukup cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun:

Makan garam lebih daripada nasi
Jangan sampai rosak semua gigi
Jika mahu hidup berdikari
Sumbanglah kod tersendiri

On 3/20/11 2:59 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
It's not really English.  These terms have
been created for new concepts based existing English words, but the
words don't retain their English meanings in this context.  Just like
names of people and places, the terms have an identity that is lost
when they're translated.  We should just use the new words and not
think about them as English words.
  
If you still want to create Malay words, then don't use the English
words at all, use the underlying concepts.  For example, instead of
"dwi klik", maybe it should be "dwi tekan" and allow it to evolve to
one word like "dwitekan".
  
Some suggestions :
  
  
"click" is a sound, not an action, but in the
context of "double-click" it's the action of pressing a button.  If you
really want to translate it exactly, you should use "tekan dua kali"
rather than "klik dua kali".
"Plug and Play" was originally a name for a
specification from Microsoft (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_Plug_and_Play
).  Translating this would be like translating "Windows" to "Tingkap",
but no one would think that's a good idea.  It's used in a more general
way now, but it still shouldn't be translated.  "Plug" means to block
or close a hole; "tutup lubang".  "Play" means "main".  To say "Tutup
Lubang dan Main" is ridiculous.  If you want to, create a phrase from
the underlying concept... We connect the device and it works
immediately without any manual installation or configuration... My BM
isn't good enough to come up with one for this :)
A "mouse" isn't an animal.  This definitely
shouldn't be translated at all, but if you really want to, use the
concept of a pointing device.
We don't actually "burn" a CD or DVD.  I don't
even like this one in English.  Use "write" (tulis).
  
  
We could take this way too far... Translate "Microsoft" to
"Kecillembut"... or in reverse, I could call that place where many of
you live "Mud Estuary".  And while I'm thinking about it, why am I from
"Amerika Syarikat" ("America Company"?) instead of "Negeri Bersatu"
("States United")?
  
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US tu memang Syarikat.. nama je negara tetapi buat bisnis tak kira
minyak ke, senjata ke, trade agreement ke, software patent ke... nak je
cekik leher dunia lain...  ramai sangat NGO tentang sama AS setiap kali
ada WTO.

On 3/20/11 5:47 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com
wrote:
  
  Because
Microsoft,United State,America,is proper nouns.so no need to
translate
  
That's the rule.  Proper nouns shouldn't be translated because they
represent something specific and that meaning can be lost in
translation, but that rule isn't often broken.  I guess it's just Dewan
Bahasa Suka Hati.  For example, "The United States of America" is
poorly translated as "Amerika Syarikat" and the meaning of the name is
almost completely lost.
  
This is exactly my point.  These words and phrases represent a specific
device or action in the context of IT.  They represent specific devices
or actions in a specific context.  If we translate them, we might lose
meaning.
  
Are we going to translate the verb "google" also? ref: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1025_3-6091289.html
  
I looked it up.  New words, or new word usages like these, are called
neologisms.  ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neologism
  
  

 





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Re: [osdcmy] What about closed core?

Ghod,
It might just catches fire. I reckon modernist terms emerge when
opportunists try to redefine something as pure open code just to wear a
price tag and get them their next dinner plate. It happened to their
health care services, happened to desktop computing, happened to have 1
lawyer to every 265 Americans. Thats USA, land of the bill and fee.

On 3/20/11 4:07 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko
Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com
wrote:

Closed
Core == sounds like FOSS, smells like FOSS, looks like FOSS but
it ain't FOSS.

"Open Core" is a real term and that all applies, but (I think) I made
up that term "Closed Core" and I don't even know if the concept is
valid.

It seems to me that "Open Core" implementations are basically a lie
told to consumers to lock them into proprietary software before they
realize it. Because of the lie, it's worse than regular proprietary
software.

In the "Open Core" concept, if all of that proprietary stuff wrapped
around the FLOSS base went away, the core software would still be okay.

In this "Closed Core" concept I'm describing, if the proprietary core
of the applications goes away, none of the FLOSS applications built
around it would work any more.

It would be like we had all of the GNU utilities without a Linux kernel
to run them on. In fact, it really happened that way 30 years ago. GNU
was developed without the Linux kernel (ref: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html
).

So, what I'm wondering is whether or not "Closed Core" is a valid
concept and if we can apply that term to free Facebook apps, for
example. I suppose a similar concept could be applied to free Windows
software that requires proprietary libraries.

What do we, as a community, think about this? Should we discourage
this type of software development? If the closed core (i.e.: Facebook
or Windows) went away, would the apps go away, be rewritten to work on
another API, or would we write a new core implementing the missing APIs?

We're actually two groups in one... FLOSS enthusiasts and Software
Developers. As a developer I say "ooohh! Facebook API... cool!", but
as a FLOSS enthusiast I don't like Facebook's limitations or secrets.

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Its the syallables in Bahasa that are of higher quantity than many
other languages i know. For example Hotel in bahasa will be Rumah
Penginapan (6 syls). Arabic is Funduq (2), cina also 2, French 2.
Discussion (3) in bahasa is perbincangan (4), Arabic is Muzakarah (4),
Cina (2), French dialog (2).
Freedom (2), is Kebebasan (4), Arabic (3), Cina (2), French - Liberte
(3)
Nine (1), Sembilan (3), Tas'a (2), Qiu (1), Neuf (1).
Love (1), Kasih-sayang (4), Habba (2), Ai (1), Aime (oneee).

Rather challenging for a binary world -- try translating this in
one breath.


On 3/20/11 9:50 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
Sure, you can use any language. But we are talking about
learning beyond the basic things. I would rather learn in English and
spend my time solving problems than busy doing cross references.
  
  
  Perhaps this explains why despite having many IT graduates, the
employment rates is still low. Even though there are many vacancies...
  
  
  On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Ghodmode ghodm...@ghodmode.com
wrote:
  
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote:




  Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak
sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk
alam ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera,
cukup cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun:
  



Some people say that BM isn't suitable for science, technology, or
finance, but I disagree. Any language can handle new words and
describe new concepts. These IT words are only a problem because we
already knew them in English before we tried to use them in Malay.

If you could show a computer mouse to someone who has never seen one,
they would give it a name. Americans came up with the name "mouse"
because they thought it looked like a mouse. A Malaysian would
probably give it a completely different name.




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But when it comes to swearing bahasa has a chance:
WTF (3), Pundek (2), Kanenabu (4 - hokkien dialect, cantonese is too
vulgar)


On 3/20/11 10:44 PM, red1 wrote:

  
Its the syallables in Bahasa that are of higher quantity than many
other languages i know. For example Hotel in bahasa will be Rumah
Penginapan (6 syls). Arabic is Funduq (2), cina also 2, French 2.
Discussion (3) in bahasa is perbincangan (4), Arabic is Muzakarah (4),
Cina (2), French dialog (2).
Freedom (2), is Kebebasan (4), Arabic (3), Cina (2), French - Liberte
(3)
Nine (1), Sembilan (3), Tas'a (2), Qiu (1), Neuf (1).
Love (1), Kasih-sayang (4), Habba (2), Ai (1), Aime (oneee).
  
Rather challenging for a binary world -- try translating this in
one breath.







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2011-03-18 Terurut Topik red1


On 3/17/11 10:51 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
by the way, for ipad users, how do you do a right click ? is it tap 
and hold ?

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2011-03-18 Terurut Topik red1





Semasa di Thailand, saya perhati kat kedai buku mereka, terdapat banyak
majalah terbaru dunia seperti GQ, Penthouse, Linux, Vogue, tetapi satu
helai Inggeris pun tak ada. Semua diterjemahkan bulat-bulat ke dalam
bahasa Siyeh. Yalah.. mereka tak pernah dijajah.

On 3/18/11 7:10 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China.
  
  
   But, do we have that many books?
  
  
  Oh wait... Do we have that many experts?
  
  
  Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur
jer)...Rasa kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun
Grandmaster sedangkan Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua
dah ada. 
  
  
  Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus. 
  
  
  2011/3/18 sallehy sall...@gmail.com
  Jika
berkesempatan ke Indonesia, mungkin boleh belajar sesuatu.
Buku rujukan Bahasa Inggeris sukar cari makan katanya.


Kedai buku bertingkat-tingkat penuh dengan bahasa mereka
sendiri :)




2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com
Sebenarnya
saya lebih suka kalau  dulu belajar matematik dan sains dalam Bahasa
Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan bahan-bahan
rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bahan-bahan rujukan
dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad. 
  
  
  
  Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba
menterjemahkan apa yang mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bahasa
Malaysia kepada Bahasa Inggeris dan sebaliknya sedangkan orang-orang
lain yang sejak dari mula  belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris sibuk
menguasai ilmu baru.
  
  
  
  
  2011/3/18 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com
  

sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite
blajar math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math
da ajar lam BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti
da pelik da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len?
ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik
lam BI pn da serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la
setrusnye.same gak mcm komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer
xmustahil kot...






2011/3/18 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com

  
  
  
  2011/3/18 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com
  Aku
tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi berserabut
kepala otak adalah.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2
kite blajar math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie
math da ajar lam BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu
x?msti da pelik da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len?
  ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik
lam BI pn da serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la
setrusnye.same gak mcm komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer
xmustahil kot...
  
  
   
  
  
  
  




  
  
  
  
  
  
  





  
  
  
  
  

 





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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?


Hello Apek,
Pasal apa lu tarik wa sama Raja kasi ini lu gomen punya hal. Aiya, Wa 
mana mau cerita itu manyak tak boleh cakap. Wa ada baca itu, itu sta, 
sta-tis-tik wa sendiri pun susah. Dia punya line manyak manyak tapi ada 
manyak tada jumpa. Raja sama saya tarik itu line sini sana. Nyonya ada 
cakap sama wa. Wa ada cakap sama Nyonya, lepas itu wa cakap sayang sama 
semua orang. Was sudah dapat itu uang bikin kerja. Ada senang wa balik sana.


On 3/17/11 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:

I am aware of your association in Phase One.

OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by
political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a
schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the
KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat.

The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the
training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two
chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe
they have a copy of it.

The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have
suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but
then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the
community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON.

When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official
answer is always We only do Public Sector. WTF!? It shows those in
power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS
is a haram word; we could only use OSS. Jeez!

Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since
you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success,
but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in
thousands of man hours to try to make it work.

I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a
noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing
something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of
Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
clueless politicians.

Eric
   


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On 3/17/11 9:52 PM, darXness darXness wrote:

cite menarik nie..kene join gak sesi teh tarik pasni.:D
   

 Free as in Free cerita, not in Free teh tarik  .. :D
Anyway i very much wanted to attend the gathering organised by our 
protem bapak Haris Fahil, but i be away (hurrahh!) :(. I will ask Eric 
to fill me in (with more teh tarik).


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I used to say: Work for yourself, not your company, and you be happier.
Everyone around you be more better off (including your company, if they
only know why).

On 3/17/11 10:56 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
that nearly happened to me.
  
quit a 5 figure salary job last month cause was feeling stressed. did a
check and the doctor told me i have a mild coronary disease and am now
on ace 1 medication.
  
  
  
  
  On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:14 PM, zarul
shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com
wrote:
  I
think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or
small). So sometimes you just need to move on.


I had a manager who once told me this - "Don't die for the
company, company won't die for you". That was probably one of the best
advices anyone has ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until
several companies later.






  
  







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Kenape roti bakar boleh? Tapi jika terjemah sebiji ke orang putih, akan
jadi 'Please can make me bread burn'. Laparlah alamatnya kat nogori
orang putih kan.

On 3/18/11 9:30 AM, saifuladli ismail wrote:
kita tak perlu guna perkataan bakar, kita guna perkataan
"salin" nota ke dalam CD. ok sikit bunyi nya.

2011/3/17 saiful akusai...@gmail.com
aku
x pernah setuju dengan isitilah yang dianjurkan oleh dbp, still dalam
note aku untuk kuliah tetap aku campurkan antara BM dan BI, sesetangah
istilah boleh diterjemah dan sesetngahnya sangatlah 'jahil murakkab'
sangat untuk dikalihbahasakan.

kau nak nota aku? boleh nanti aku "bakar" dan bagi kau satu
salinan - :) .. burn-in time (masa bakar mula) aduhai tolonglah...

2011/3/17 darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com

hmmm...ssh
gak nak ckap bab nie.
actually,kalo ade sape2 xtau lg,kami pengajar bhgn ICT nie ssh skit
kalo nak gune BI 100%.nak wat nota,nak wat AS,WS,IS,LP,KA,PA sume2 tu
xleh nak rojak sgt.kalo double click,kene tukr jadik klik 2 kali.cume
ade la skit2 term yg xdigalakkn translte sbb riso laen maksd.mcm firewall.maybe
kite akn ckp,da tau bljr komp,kene la power BI.itula yg ak slaloo ckp
kat stdnt2.tp
kne fhm gak.mostly dorng nie dtg dari kptusan yg xbrape
baek.imagine,kalo kite pndg org msuk ILP n IKBN or mane2 pusat
kemahiran,kite da anggp mcm ntuk stdt2 yg agak lemah,apatah lgi ntuk
org2 yg xlayak pn nak msuk tmpt2 camtu.
yg xboleh membace,menulis pn ade.kene train slow2.nak bleh
mmbace menulis plak,BI mmg hancus.nak solve mende2 camni,kene train
asing.bgi nota BM.n then selit2 BI.baru fhm.dlu2,aku slaloo kondem cik2
ak sal wat nota BM.last2 bile da alami sndiri,tgk level stdnt2 ak,baru
la ak fhm.ble ckp right click pn dorng da confuse.huhu

2011/3/17 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com:

Bukankah itu dinamakan bahasa "rojak"?

2011/3/17 saiful akusai...@gmail.com

ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double
click.
dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus.
Contoh yg femes
digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".

2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq creativeneur...@gmail.com

kelik dua kali.
:p

محمد شافق بن مذلي
Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
http://syafiq.me
67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2

2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com

salam

apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?

help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a
grails application !

2011/3/17 zarul shahrin zarulshah...@gmail.com

Saudara dan Saudari,
Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.
Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal
teknikal di dalam
Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli
dan saya pun tak tahu
kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar
macam menonton gambar P.
Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya. ^O^

Yang Ikhlas,
Zarul Shahrin

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Re: [osdcmy] What about closed core?

2011-03-16 Terurut Topik red1





Hi Ghodmode,
I wonder what you refer to is already meant so in GPLv3 as espoused by
His Highness RMS. If i remembered my readings correctly, RMS was wary
of the mischief doings of Steve Jobs in some apps probably ITunes where
it used GNU-linked (hope RMS smiles on me) code which was taken from
GPLv2 to sell apps, thus making money and locking in the users the
freedom to improve on the app. which u know will lead to free beer, and
of course free songs all over again.

Anyway, i am against copyrighting. Would you settle for copyleft?

On 3/16/11 3:32 PM, Ghodmode wrote:
I noticed a "Facebook Developers Garage"
event on the OSDC.my. Since Facebook is definitely not free, but
applications developed for it potentially are free, is there such as a
thing as "closed core"?
  
I've only recently become familiar with the term "open core". I
haven't heard the term "closed core"... can I copyright it? ... I can't
wait to start suing people! :)
  
Where does this type of software development fit into our community?
  
Thank you.
  
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2011-03-16 Terurut Topik red1


Raja,
That phrase has already been hijacked by the Cina apek:
Lu mau mati kah??!!!

On 3/17/11 12:14 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

  what happened to the phrase 'berani mati' ?




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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

2011-03-15 Terurut Topik red1

How i wish Dr. Mahathir did cut them off at the bridge. Before he
resigned.

On 3/15/11 12:28 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
Of course they are better! They are there working on the
next big thing while we are here busy arguing which OS is better or why
people don't want to use OSS and of course - busy customizing Ubuntu so
we can have yet another distro based on Ubuntu. =P

Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM,
Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com
wrote:
Working
harder without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on the
running wheel.

We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same
place.

If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with
them?

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, sweemeng
ng swees...@gmail.com
wrote:

I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many
area in tech too. but then just a feeling.

I also got a feeling on the amount of visible RD and
product resulted from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong.

Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not
just a feeling

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe
azsnal azs...@gmail.com
wrote:

Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore
community do have d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But
all you know it might be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien
:) but dude honestly this not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have
not done enough.. and personally feel that somehow is my fault too..
rafe

On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, "Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan" sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote:

Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times
better than Malaysia?

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM,
rafe azsnal azs...@gmail.com wrote:

Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated
that the global player of OSS ...
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

2011-03-15 Terurut Topik red1


Reaction: I hate you.
Now, please continue.

On 3/15/11 9:49 PM, Garfield WTF wrote:
I believe they mean by the attitude and mindset of Malaysia OSS 
developers and the community.


As we can see now, majority of our developers and community people are 
fighting each others. Not united at all. Always argue about the 
difference and advantages of those OSS projects that they are supporting.


From the most recent case, we can see that lots of distro supporters 
are arguing with each others about how good is the distro they are 
supporting.
Even those Ubuntu derivatives distro supporters, are fighting with 
each others.
Hey, come on! You are all under the same family, what for wasting time 
and fight who is better?


What we actually need to do is to cooperate and make applications 
works on all distros that have common platform, such as making sure an 
apps, able works in all Debian and its derivatives, all Ubuntu and its 
derivatives as well as works in CentOS and its derivatives, Fedora and 
its derivatives, OpenSuse and its derivatives, FreeBSD and its 
derivatives etc.


We should now stop to fight about our difference and start work 
together for a common interest. Well, because of majority of the 
Malaysian like to fights about the difference, this also made Malaysia 
labeled as a racism country where all race are fighting about their 
differences. If we all want to move forward towards a better future, 
stop fighting about our differences. Work together for a common 
interest start from now on! Change our mindset!!!


Guess what? Because of a lot of people fighting about their 
derivatives distro, and argue with each others, this also made me 
decided to stop my DN-A (Debian Netbook-Angel) project. Because I 
don't want to see there is another Linux distro derivative appear and 
sparking more arguments.
We have a lot of Linux distro already anyway, no point fork out 
something which have not much difference to cause more controversy...


There is a lot more I wanted to say actually, but lets see how you 
guys react to what I have written above 1st...


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Re: [osdcmy] secret which have to be a secret

2011-03-15 Terurut Topik red1

IMHO if we are debating on govt policies, be they written or unwritten,
it is still ok, because we are not creating falsehood nor lies, based
on unfounded facts nor conjecture that implicate individuals who are
merely govt servants following such policies.

Now for govt servants, what about that? Once i met a senior govt
official (name and org withheld to protect from GO, OSA, ISA, and other
susahAs) who provided me inside info and urged me to raise an issue
(sorry Rafe but i guess you are popular) MDec which he failed within
his own division. I was curious, but he reiterated that as an NGO or
NGI (indiividual rakyat) we have every right to raise concern, but they
as govt servants cannot do so. And he cautioned that we have to raise
it 'officially' meaning thru proper channels such as this OSDCY.my and
not thru surat layang, hate mail or anonymous blogs.

Still, we have to be fair, as even MDec falls under govt policy and
they have an agenda like any other to priotise towards a big national
level which has lots of outside forces at play. For us, we have to
continue articulating as a pressure group. And of course allow govt
agencies to play their roles as defined by the political masters that
the democracy has voted them into power.

But if we do not highlight issues, then the ruling govt can blame us
for keeping silent and thus not withing their grasp to formulate the
policies that we want.

That is why i support OSDC.my as a whole but that does not mean i do
not speak out what i feel to be of priority. I try to speak using nice
words, but sometimes my keyboard get stuck at the F key. :)

On 3/16/11 11:29 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
so long as we can point a link to the source of the
information on a formal channel (eg a govt website) then we should be
ok.

if you look at the posts, the author will always try to provide a link
to the official source.

with regards to unflattering comments about the government or
organisation or persons or project this mailing list is publicly
searchable through google.

Majlis
Berbuka Puasa mdec Dan OSDC.my Bersama Anak-anak
Yatim ...
- [ Translate this page ]
18 Sep 2009 ... Majlis Berbuka Puasa mdec
Dan OSDC.my Bersama Anak-anak ...
www.flickr.com/photos/linuxmalaysia/3931636708/
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Flickr:
linuxmalaysia's Photostream

9 posts-5 authors-Last post:24 Apr 2010
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Anak-anak Yatim 160909 by ...
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discussion results

Java is big! What is mdec doing about it? - OSDC.my
Mailing List ...

28 Feb 2011 ... It is time we reveal our
strength and not even consider mdec's existence. For what may
i ask? They aint gona give ua free lunch anyway ...
groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list/.../1a643a7aa528539d?lnk...
- Cached

OSDC.my Aims To Unite Malaysia's Open Source
Developers

22 Sep 2009 ... MDeC's
Rizatuddin Ramli (left) with OSDC.my's Vice President The aim
of OSDC.my is to unite local open source developers and their
...
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- Cached

OSDC.my aims to unite Malaysia's open source
developers

22 Sep 2009 ... The formation of the OSDC.my
initiative is also part of the MDeC's plan to move in the
direction of Malaysia's 10th Economic Plan in the ...
commtechasia.net/.../648-osdcmy-aims-to-unite-malaysias-open-source-developers.html
- Cached

for those who have signed the OSA, pls re-read the clauses

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Umarzuki
Bin Mochlis Moktar u...@umarzuki.org wrote:
Morning
everyone,

I found that there are a lot of information related to our government
discussed openly on this mailing list. Is this okay?

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik red1

I (try to) teach my kids smart stuff such as
1. What _not_ to do such as 'try to be a clerk filling in gaji
kakitangan gomen dalam spreadsheet.
2. Pareto principle - learn 20% that is worth 80%
3. Do what is important not urgent such as 'go play what u love which
is badminton and forget about exams'.

I believe those who landed in front of any interviewer is the ultimate
insult. I got thru my first humiliating interview in April 1982 and
never had any since then. The interview (Robert Teo, CEO of Dataprep M
Sdn Bhd that time) said to me,
"You are not to be treated special. I give you the lowest pay." Just
because my name is 'bumi' sounding. *Gr* still fuming with the
insult after all these years.

On 3/13/11 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
Windows need no learning? That's kind of over-statement.
Knowledge comes from experience sometimes, just because you 11-years
old son could do well in Excel doesn't mean that he is already an
expert in Windows. There is more to windows than just "Excel".

There are infinity number of things that can be done easily on
Linux but not Windows and vice versa. But I take that your field is
limited to software like Excel.

Also, computer is suppose to to help make our job easier and
faster not the other way around. If Windows is easier to learn and use,
then why do things the hard way? Why spend so much time and get into so
much trouble learning a hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted
time to tackle new problems using a tool which is easy to learn?

Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1 r...@red1.org
wrote:

Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.

On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:

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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

2011-03-13 Terurut Topik red1

Don't shoot me, i am just the messenger that told you so. This is
called an unofficially written policy by the govt not to support Open
Source precisely because it cannot show the numbers they want. Gomen
want commercial numbers, not innovation numbers.

But i guess we still need the prophets around for a long time to keep
hammering the sad truth.

Salam 1Sumber.

On 3/13/11 8:00 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
saya sungguh tak faham

tender ni untuk OpenHIS ke, atau untuk running OSCC?

kenapa ada requirement untuk setup OSCC service dalam dokumen tender
OpenHIS?

kenapa ada requirement sebegini?

The Tenderer is required to develop and implement according to
following scope of the Project which includes:
i. Establish and implement a Development Lab for Integrated OpenHIS
Project. Includes maintain of server(s), workstations, development
tools, database and training.
ii. Establish a Helpdesk and Technical Support for Integrated OpenHIS
Project and OSS implementation in Public Sector
iii. Establish a Training Centre for Integrated OpenHIS Project and OSS
implementation in Public Sector
iv. Implement Open Source Competency Centre (OSCC) services for OSS
implementation in Public Sector towards self reliance
v. Maintain all existing system, hardware, software and network
infrastructure for this project as scheduled in LAMPIRAN G-5

patut la tender OpenHIS ni dikeluarkan oleh MAMPU, bukan MOH. sebab ini
adalah tender untuk running OSCC, tetapi diselindung disebalik tender
OpenHIS

sangat menyedihkan. kononnya fasa 3 untuk self reliance agensi
kerajaan, tetapi untuk projek OpenHIS masih lagi perlu untuk tender
kepada syarikat swasta. mana kakitangan MOH?

dan lebih-lebih menyedihkan, dokumen tender dalam format PROPRIETARY
dari MICROSOFT.

Well done MAMPU!!!

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[osdcmy] Is Open Source taken over by Salesmen?

2011-03-10 Terurut Topik red1

I thought real committers and uploaders rule in Open Source. At least 
what i read of Linus Torvalds, Eric Raymond and Richard Stallman.

It is a long rant, so i leave you a choice:
http://red1.org/adempiere/viewtopic.php?f=33t=1156

Salam 1Sumber
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[osdcmy] Open Core is Not Open Source - for example OpenBravo

2011-03-05 Terurut Topik red1

To warn the innocent and uninitiated there are FOSS wanabes and forks 
that pretend to be FOSS but are out there to abuse FOSS by scalping for 
short term profit. For example (at least i can say for my own project 
space of ERP rather than start flame with MYSQL, Alfresco, or SugarCRM) 
OpenBravo which is an open core fork in early 2006 of Compiere and 
Compiere itself also going open core which resulted in creation of the 
ADempiere project by me and my global counterparts in September of 2006.


Here is a link to learn more : http://www.opensource.org/node/537

My own take about OpenBravo's further ethics in question has been 
written long time ago here : 
http://red1empire.blogspot.com/2008/10/openbravo-unethical-use-of-compieres.html


red1


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Re: [osdcmy] Re: Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant

2011-03-04 Terurut Topik red1

Yes, seeking to inspire or nutrure is the right phrase in our economy. 
Cos we are capable of almost nothing (quoting from Tun Dr. M dalam 
akhbar The Sun some years back). Kita asyik menjadi pengguna dan 
downloader, lebih asap dari minyak. Lebih-lebih lagi tiada percaya 
dengan kreativiti atau innovasi dari halaman sendiri. Amat menyanjung 
segala jenama yang datang dari luar, dari futbal sampai tin susu.


Semangat sedemikian tiada ujud lagi dalam sanubari kurikulum sekolah 
kita. Tiada lagi terlafaz atas lidah rasmi negara. Mana-mana, hanya 
piawaian dari luar yang disebut-sebut kerana amat dikagumi. Saya tidak 
hairan kisah P.Ramlee meninggal dunia dalam keadaan sakit hati dan 
terkejut (sumber: History Channel Astro) dan tidak juga hairan Dr. M 
menangis walaupun menjadi orang nombor satu negara. Banyak ucapan Tun 
saya terhafal, dan sekiranya saya ulangi di sini akan mengamuk lagi 
beberapa rakan di sini. Baik diam je daripada membongkarkan aib sendiri.


On 3/4/11 6:13 PM, riZer Enterprise wrote:

I believe Edu can do more than just nurture, it can guide and inspire
(and perhaps lead to developing passion ?), especially with passionate
people helping from outside the ivory tower.
- Tunjuk teks yang dipetik -

ini yang mahal ni
orang orang macam ni kena angkat naik dulu baru inspired people with 
similar pasionate dreams tu akan terhasil denagn banyaknya

from all unis from all over. pasai passionate ajer. inspired

outside menara gading punya orang like you , me and passionate people 
jadikan diorang role model dan diinsidekan mestilah accepted by uni 
orang orang passionate ni dgan anugerah dean pasal kerja passionate 
bukan about money yang diorang buat ni...faham tak?


hehehehaha

tak faham tanya
soalan sure di ratedkan A punya.
brolinux sidekick red1'

hahahahaha



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Re: [osdcmy] Why our Unis turn out such poor quality IT grads. - long rant


On 3/3/11 8:54 AM, Boh Yap wrote:

hi all,

here's another rant, its directed at our Educational system, but done
in a less brutal way than the 'last' nuclear exchange between Red and
Rafe ;-) Sabar guys you both got your points, 

Have a read and pls comment...

Critique of MQA Computing Program Document
Hm.. Boh, you also losing your kungfu touch, above you commend both 
sides, not making known your own stand. Playing it safe by not playing 
to the gallery at all :)


Since you ask me to comment in your MQA analysis, so here goes.
1. Why analysed something that is more than 30 years old? The topics 
sounded familiar and quite inferior to what i learnt in IDPM, London 
(via Goon's Institute KL) in 1981! There i learnt Programming, Data 
Structures, Flowcharting, Intermediate Accounts, Communications and 
Systems Analysis all in 2 years. I got employed at end of 1st year by 
Dataprep in 1982.


2. About teaching ERP in colleges, if they just teach Accounting well, 
should be enough. Don't make the kids start cursing you in their facebooks.


3. About programming as a highly paid skill, as compared to Systems A  
Design, the later should be true as AD precedes form, but the concept 
those days is wrong today. What, if any design kids should know today is 
encapsulated in OO. That is the present, almost going past. Certainly 
not future.


Finally thanks Boh for your thesis, as you finally nailed this into the 
coffin. Malaysia's future is dead. It's knowhow menu is Vasco Da Gama's.


Wonder if MDec employs such grads and in what numbers. Rafe, any stats?

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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List





Ni semua cina petaling street punya pasal. Selagi mereka ada, selagi
senantiasa ceplak semua. I call this Freedom.

On 3/3/11 5:42 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini wrote:
Morning guys (it you were at GMT +1).
  
  
  Becauseof suffering cold weather here at Liege, Belgium..I've
borrowed my friend laptop and just surf the net, and all of sudden I
found this:-
  
  
  
  
  http://www.iipa.com/2011_SPEC301_TOC.htm
  
  
  Moral of the story: promote to use Free, Libre  Open Source
Software (FLOSS) among your friends, family or probably your workplace
too.
  
  
  Just share with you guys. Thanks to @nbliang for tweeting it.
  
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List


On 3/4/11 1:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote:

hi

No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this program
is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and kids for
downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a pittance! They
are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their earnings are
impacted!

And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?

And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..

Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of Adempiere
CDs and distribute them??
   
 No need to, just download them. You can see the stats here 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/files


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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List





ok i got a question. What if Petaling Street put Linux on CDs? Is that
pirating?
I remembered some time ago the Ministry made a fool of itself when it
issued a warning to arrest and persecute those who pirate Linux based
software. Now i am thinking they re not so foolish after all (there is
hope).

On 3/4/11 8:00 AM, sweemeng ng wrote:

  It is not pirating if it is not on cd or bit torrent
  On Mar 4, 2011 6:06 AM, "red1" r...@red1.org
wrote:
 On 3/4/11 1:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote:
 hi

 No big deal, on the one hand, the the major sponsors of this
program
 is the MPAA, the RIAA which represent the recording and movie
 industries. These are the people who sue single mothers and
kids for
 downloading content! While they make fat profits by charging
 exorbitant prices for their content, and pay artists a
pittance! They
 are nothing more than gangsters who cry foul, when their
earnings are
 impacted!

 And are they the same party also supporting Software Patents?

 And these ppl oppose FOSS as well..

 Red1, maybe you can get the SW pirates to make 1,000's of
Adempiere
 CDs and distribute them??
 
 No need to, just download them. You can see the stats here 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/files
 
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List





That was quite some years back, i am sure before OSCC's time. Someone
woke up abit by now. But still long way to go. FOSS is regarded as
risky, anarchy as in wikileaks and Tahrir Square. If Govt pun tak caya
sama orang kito... oh i forgot, show them the numbers first...

On 3/4/11 8:38 AM, Ahmed Noor Kader Mustajir Md Eusoff wrote:
they didn't aware with the term Open Source, someone
should wake them about it
  
  On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, red1 r...@red1.org
wrote:
  

ok i got a question. What if Petaling Street put Linux on CDs? Is that
pirating?
I remembered some time ago the Ministry made a fool of itself when it
issued a warning to arrest and persecute those who pirate Linux based
software. Now i am thinking they re not so foolish after all (there is
hope).

  
  







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[osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers





http://www.opensource.org/node/535 - 
Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption
and saves
http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
RM188!
Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah? Kene
tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...

sudahla... :)

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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers


I want the community to think.

On 3/4/11 8:57 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:

SO ?

What next step you want community to do?

Can you get this number to politician and get the buy in?

Any plan that you can show to us?

Any schedule that we can follow?

Any contact that we can communicate?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1r...@red1.org  wrote:
   

http://www.opensource.org/node/535 -

Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption

and saves
http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million

RM188!

Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah? Kene
tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...

sudahla... :)

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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers





Sorry.. i made a typo below its RM188m (tertinggal pula figure M,
kekekee)

Azrul, Excuse Moi?
What u mean? Vous Lompate Marine?


On 3/4/11 9:03 AM, Azrul MADISA wrote:
Wow! I'm going to championproprietarysoftware la from
now on
  
  
  
  
  On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, red1 r...@red1.org
wrote:
  
http://www.opensource.org/node/535
- 
Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption
and saves
http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2010/07/05/open-source-saves-malaysian-government-rm188-million
RM188!
Yep we got the numbers! Nape? Tak caya ke? Tak leh bawa bank kah? Kene
tunjuk cash jugak ka? Nama je bank. Tolong orang kaya saja...

sudahla... :)

  
  
  







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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

I dont have another plan. I am on free-flow from day one. I code and 
upload to kick ass. And i dont mean small kuchi rat ass. As Riz quoted 
me in front of Dr. M, one day he wants SAP to die.
What i bitching here for the last 2 years is against hyprocrisy. And 
falsified numbers.


By the way, i always supported your plan. I like the MyOSCON yearly 
thingy alot. Even though there are weaknesses but they are all on the 
right track. It takes time. Just that i think it should be more 
mindblowing like the style of Law Abiding Citizen. But then, many of us 
(the rest of us :) ) are bit kuuchi rats. Kiasu.


My dream plan (which i am doing anyway daily in my farm) is to produce 
something that will make Steve Jobs tertiarap. Actually he is quite 
kurang sihat and i am sorry if he tertiarap kerana sebab2 tu plak. So 
better awe him before that.


My dream plan is to produce the Google Earth/Map - Sphinx voice 
recognition interface integrated to ERP (that owns the backend 
heavyhouse) and with my voice, i can activate transactions across the 
globe and see all the status color code in 3D ( i saw Green Hornet 
alredy.. Wariola bawa saya ke Berjaya Times Square hari tu). So ade 
orang mau sponsor itu ka? I dont think so. Only when _after_ you done 
kaw-kaw barulah semua sibuk-sibuk nak tumpang glamour pula.


On 3/4/11 9:04 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote:

What do you propose? You are not answering me. For 2 years this list
exist we already discuss a lot.

Its not THINKING time. Its action time. Every one that write or
suggestion in this list already doing things.

SO 

What you are doing?

Can I have your schedule to sync with mine?

Can I have your plan to sync with mine?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:00 AM, red1r...@red1.org  wrote:
   

I want the community to think.

 
   


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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysia still under the IIPA Watch List





On 3/4/11 9:55 AM, Ghodmode wrote:
By the way... I've added Jalan Petaling to
my list of must visit places if I ever get to spend some time
in KL :D
--

Ah, another newbie on PS. Allow me to humbly advise you to be careful
and follow these basic rules:

1. Do not bargain unless you already got a fixed price to buy. The
chinese there are gangsters. I seen them trying to box a kuailoh after
he refused to pay the price he asked for prior.

2. Do not forget rule 1.

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Re: [osdcmy] M'sian Govt Show Them the Numbers

Ok, then as Brother Haris bagi nasihat, we must mean action. If you are 
serious to be my khadam, i mean right hand man, show me your codes. 
Please, no juniors in my league. Kene macam itu side-kick Hornet, apa 
nama budak Bruce Lee tu?


On 3/4/11 10:07 AM, riZer Enterprise wrote:

IMHO
everyday kita bangun hendaklah kita tanya what fos contribution that 
we will do today? What are we doing (FOSS point of view) for the 
comunity today?

Apakah yang akan kita sumbangkan kepada komuniti hari ini?



svai deutschmark
brolinux

*memang nak tumpang glamour tuan red1 no better yet let me be your 
right hand man... kick ass {it's cool}


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