Re: Which picture is better?
Hi, I like the first one, your girlfriend as a much nicer expression on her face. Cya - Original Message - From: Gerald F. Cermak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Which picture is better? While in Paris last weekend, my fiancé and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg Both shots taken are full frame on Velvia, LX w/ K50/1.2, at about f/2 or f/2.8 and ~1/125. Scanned on my modified RFS3600 at original resolution of 3600dpi. Thanks, Gerald - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which picture is better?
Hi Gerald, I prefer photo #1 over #2 due to its stronger color, her smile, the background, and the at ease confidence of her pose. Compared to #1, #2 looks slightly washed out, her pose is more self-conscious and less confident, and the unfortunate alignment of her eyes with the bluewhite background highlights is a little distracting, pulling me away from her face and into the trees on the left (could probably be fixed quite simply in PS). But, keeper photos that capture your loved one's personality best, regardless of incidentals, are the best of all. regards, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] While in Paris last weekend, my fiancé and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg Both shots taken are full frame on Velvia, LX w/ K50/1.2, at about f/2 or f/2.8 and ~1/125. Scanned on my modified RFS3600 at original resolution of 3600dpi. Thanks, Gerald - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Learning To make a Photograph
Shel, Thank you for writing this. I am more of a lurker than an active participant on this list, but posts like this are why I love this list. I have both auto and manual on my Pentax. 95% of the time I leave it on all manual, but sometimes the laziness bites me and I switch to automatic. To protect myself, I am keeping my eyes open for a manual only. Having the option for auto makes me lazy. And I learn nothing from those shots. Thanks, Caleb - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: Learning To make a Photograph There's been some discussion here about how many of us have felt that our photographs are not of the quality we'd like them to be. I have some thoughts on that, which, I hope, will lead to further discussion and help a few list members improve their skills and creativity. I firmly believe that using AF gear and automatic metering does not help one to really learn about making photographs (notice I said making, not taking). Recently I've returned to using 100% manual cameras - they don't even have light meters. The first thing I've become more conscious of is light, and the quality of light. Not that I didn't think about it before, but now I must pay more attention to it. I've been using a hand held spot meter and paying careful attention to what's in the shadows and where the specular highlights fall. My negs are looking a lot better, and my ability to read the light has improved to the point where using a meter is no longer as necessary as it had been. There are those who will argue against my position, and that's all well and good. However, to those people I'd say go out and start shooting with fully manual cameras again, eliminate the use of TTL metering and eschew autofocus and zoom lenses. It'll be some work, but in time I can almost guarantee that your pictures will improve. Why? Well, when you better understand the light, you'll get better images. But more than that, you'll be able to concentrate more on composition rather than being distracted by lights, needles, and a plethora of information in the viewfinder, and the need to fiddle with knobs, dials, and buttons to put the camera into the correct mode. You don't need all that stuff to make a photograph. And when you better understand focus and DOF - by focusing yourself, which I believe you can do more critically with a fully manual camera - and you start to understand where the zone of sharp focus is, you can begin to become more competent and creative. Stay away from zoom lenses with variable apertures. You never know for sure what the aperture is, or the focal length is, and how can that help your creativity in the long run. Sure, those lenses make taking a picture easier, and built-in meters make taking a picture easier, and autofocus makes taking a picture easier, but it doesn't always help you to ~make~ a superb photograph. Grab a fully manual camera, a prime lens, and go out and practice. Shoot every day. Process the film quickly and review the results. Learn from your mistakes, and go out and shoot another roll, and another, and another. Don't rely on the latitude of the film to carry you through. Learn to understand what the perfect exposure is for each frame you shoot, even if it means that you have to work slowly at first, and perhaps miss some great shots. Most of our great shots are crap anyway. When I returned to a fully manual camera I was surprised at how lazy I'd become. Somehow it seemed easier to let the camera's meter set the exposure, but then I had to think about the metering pattern, and how that might effect the exposure I wanted. How much simpler it is to read the light first and then just concentrate of shooting, and finding the best way to capture the subject. Look at photographs. Not the crap in most magazines, but carefully examine the work of the great photographers, regardless of their style. Look at the work of photo journalists, those who do documentary work, fashion photographers, and the like. Look at their prints whenever you can rather looking at their books or photos in magazines. I'm willing to bet that there are people on this list who have never seen a photograph made by Gene Smith or HC-B, or Helmut Newton, or photographers of their ilk, other than in books or magazines. Look at the work of less experienced photographers, too. Go to galleries and exhibitions. Examine the prints not only from a contextual POV but from a technical perspective as well. Are your prints as sharp? Do your prints have the detail in the shadows? Are your highlights blown out? Why is their print less/more grainy than yours - you both use the same film? Be critical of your work, and of your gear. Don't settle for pretty good. Your reach should exceed your grasp. Think about making large prints instead of those
Re: Which picture is better?
If you could remove the strand of hair running down her face, then #1, otherwise #2. Jeff - Original Message - From: Gerald F. Cermak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: Which picture is better? While in Paris last weekend, my fiancé and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg Both shots taken are full frame on Velvia, LX w/ K50/1.2, at about f/2 or f/2.8 and ~1/125. Scanned on my modified RFS3600 at original resolution of 3600dpi. Thanks, Gerald - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which picture is better?
Nice pictures! Attractive woman, nice outdoor setting, life couldn't be better for a photographer! I have a slight preference for #1. I find the background highlights a bit distracting in both, but less so in #1. On the other hand, in face-on pictures, I would expect the subject to be looking at me, and having her look off to my right is a bit unsettling. In this respect I prefer #2. Very nice exposure, and very good skin tones on both. Leave the feet out next time. Stan From: Gerald F. Cermak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:32:55 -0700 To: Pentax Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which picture is better? While in Paris last weekend, my fiancé and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg Both shots taken are full frame on Velvia, LX w/ K50/1.2, at about f/2 or f/2.8 and ~1/125. Scanned on my modified RFS3600 at original resolution of 3600dpi. Thanks, Gerald - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which picture is better?
Hi Gerald ... Both pictures have merit, but both suffer from jarring bokeh and harsh background colors. Compositionally, photo #2 works better for me, although photo #1 captures a more vibrant spirit. However, the odd item in the lower right hand corner is distracting, as is the knee on the left side of the picture. For typical family snaps these are certainly fine. However, you didn't ask for criticism, so I'll not open that can of worms again. #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Learning To make a Photograph
Congratulations!! I had a similar experience a few year back. I dug out one of my old Spotmatics, armed it with a few lenses and went on a hike (bushwalk in OZ). I had not used the camera for 15 years and, all of a sudden a switch was thrown. I had used the camera when my favourite emulsions was Kodachrome 35 and Pantatomic X. With those films, you had to learn to meter! The results were such that I sold my PZ1p and 28-105 lens. I have since added several manual bodies to my collection and my favourite is the MX although I do like my LX as well. Of note, I am not afraid of mounting my old 55 f 1.8 on either camera. For me, it still runs circles around the 50s f 1.4 and 1.7. That is MHO. I feel the same way about the 35 f 3.5 although I found and purchased a K 35 f 3.5 and sold my 2.8. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which picture is better?
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:32:55 -0700, Gerald F. Cermak wrote: While in Paris last weekend, my fianc and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: I like both shots, but I favor the first one a bit more. I think the expression on your fianc face is more pleasing. Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What happened... to PDML and PUG?
Thanks, guys! A word of encouragement when we're facing troubles can make all the difference. At least I know I am not the first to have to deal with this kind of situation and, hopefully, I won't be the last one... The good thing about that feeling is that, at least, I know I'm learning. Otherwise, I would still consider good some less than satisfactory photos... Not to mention that I'm in the right place to learn... Thanks again! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which picture is better?
I like the strand of hair. It makes the photo more... intimate. Regards, Bob... -- Those who say that life is worth living at any cost have already written an epitaph of infamy, for there is no cause and no person that they will not betray to stay alive. Sidney Hook From: Jeff Tokayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you could remove the strand of hair running down her face, then #1, otherwise #2. Jeff - Original Message - From: Gerald F. Cermak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: Which picture is better? While in Paris last weekend, my fiancé and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg Both shots taken are full frame on Velvia, LX w/ K50/1.2, at about f/2 or f/2.8 and ~1/125. Scanned on my modified RFS3600 at original resolution of 3600dpi. Thanks, Gerald - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Learning To make a Photograph
Could it be that, sometimes, modern technology steer our attention away from what is really essential? In my case, I do feel overwhelmed by too many resources at times... Once I took a bag full of gear to try and shoot an specific subject. I was less than happy about the photographs I got. It made me think that maybe I could have done better with a Spotmatic K1000 and a single lens... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Multiple exposures
Thanks for the precise explanations. just one more question: How do you determine how many exposures do you need to get it right? My guess is that, on that particular photo, one second exposures wouldn't be short enough to do the trick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Learning To make a Photograph
Hi Shel! Many thanks for such a nice mail. I really liked your mail. In fact, many experienced photographers with whom I interacted told me exactly the same thing. Most of the time, I use metered manul mode in my camera but while making candid street photographs, I am forced to switch to aperture priority mode and let the camera take care of the exposure. Of course, I don't learn anything about exposure while making those photographs. (This is not a good quality being a photographer.) On the other hand, I concentrate only on the composition to catch the right moment. I think that I don't have the sense of understanding light and therefore I couldn't perform well, even in metered manual mode for candids. But I readily agree with you about the control of exposure in a photograph provided that the photographer has feel for light. With kind regards, Ayash K. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which picture is better?
Gerald F. Cermak wrote: While in Paris last weekend, my fiancé and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg Both shots taken are full frame on Velvia, LX w/ K50/1.2, at about f/2 or f/2.8 and ~1/125. Scanned on my modified RFS3600 at original resolution of 3600dpi. I prefer the pose in #2. Both or them are good shots but the bright areas in the background are distracting. Maybe stopping down a little fill flash could have reduced the brightness of the background. David S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which picture is better?
Gerald F. Cermak wrote: While in Paris last weekend, my fiancé and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg Both shots taken are full frame on Velvia, LX w/ K50/1.2, at about f/2 or f/2.8 and ~1/125. Scanned on my modified RFS3600 at original resolution of 3600dpi. I prefer the pose in #2. Both or them are good shots but the bright areas in the background are distracting. Maybe stopping down a little fill flash could have reduced the brightness of the background. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Multiple exposures
- Original Message - From: Eduardo Carone Costa Júnior Subject: Re: Multiple exposures Thanks for the precise explanations. just one more question: How do you determine how many exposures do you need to get it right? My guess is that, on that particular photo, one second exposures wouldn't be short enough to do the trick... I first decide what aperture I need to secure sufficient depth of field, or which aperture is best on the lens in question if DOF is not a consideration. I then meter the scene to determine the exposure time needed for that aperture. While I am working this out, I am also determining what shutter speed would best serve the effect I want to achieve. Do I want the moving water to be as sharp as possible, perhaps slightly soft will do. So, now I have determined the amount of exposure needed, and the increments that I will be using to get there. Divide one into the other to determine the number of shutter releases needed. The complication that arises is that a sort of reciprocity failure comes into play with this process, so it can be a bit of a guessing game to get it correct. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax-F Macro 35-70mm f/3.5-f/4.5 Zoom Question
The only way to improve over this lens in to get an FA28-70AL or FA 28-105. It is a good lens. - Original Message - From: Ed Dombek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: Pentax-F Macro 35-70mm f/3.5-f/4.5 Zoom Question I've been offered the opportunity to purchase a Pentax-F Macro 35-70 f/3.5-f/4.5 Zoom lens to use with my ZX-5n. Can anyone tell me their experience with it? What features would I lose with a Pentax-F instead of a Pentax-FA lens and my body? If I purchase it I intend to sell my Pentax-FA 28mm-80mm f/3.5-f/5.6. (I have the Vivitar 19-35mm f/3.5-f/4.5 so I'm not too worried about wide-angle.) I would be doing this to gain Macro capability cheaper than buying the Pentax-FA Macro 50mm f/2.8 or Pentax-FA Macro 100mm f/2.8. I would probably use the savings to buy a Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4. Does this seem like a good approach? Thanks!!! _ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 50mm Lens Dilemma
I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to everyone that replied to my messages and helped me get off my rear and make a decision. Specifically: At 06:05 AM 5/31/01 -0700, I wrote: I have 4 lens to go with my ZX-5n: - Pentax A 28mm f2.8 (which I may sell?) - Pentax FA 28-80mm f3.5-5.6 - Pentax FA 80-320mm f4.5-5.6 - Vivitar Series 1 AF 19-35mm f3.5-4.5 I'd like to add a lens that can support macro photography... At 06:15 AM 5/3/01 -0700 Jon Hope wrote: I found that for flowers and non moving objects the 50mm is fine. For things that move, or things that tend to fly/run/crawl away when you get too close, 105mm can be a tad on the short side. 50mm is usually way too close. Hmmm. Should I reconsider my preliminary idea to purchase a 50mm macro lens? At 09:26 AM 5/31/01 -0700 Ramesh Kumar wrote: I have Pentax FA Macro 50mm f2.8 and has worked beautifully since 2 yrs. It's sharpness is apparent in results. My experience is it's too short for macro work. Some time I feel I should have gone for FA 100 f2.8. I really considered your 100mm recommendation. It greatly influenced my decision (see below). At 06:35 AM 6/1/01 -0700 Tiger Moses wrote: The 90-100 macros seem to give you more flexibility, farther back for your flash to work, etc! I'm starting to see a trend here! At 06:52 AM 6/3/01 -0700 Mark Cassio wrote: Personally, I'd go for a fast 50mm over a macro if it was my only 50mm prime. The ability to shoot in low light and selectively focus that a fast lens gives outweighs the macro capability, especially when you can get the macro by adding an inexpensive extension tube. I agree! See what I bought below! At 3:37 PM 6/3/01 -0700 Jaroslaw Brzeziñski wrote: As regards a 50mm f/1.4 with close-up lens(es), it does give you easier focusing, especially in poor available light conditions due to te high speed (and close-up lenses - in contrast to extension tubes or a bellows - do not slow it down) but since depth of field is so shallow at higher magnifications you will have to stop it down... I hadn't thought of that! So after much reconsideration, the comments above, and looking at lens reviews on photo.net, I placed an order today with BH for the following lenses: - Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 - Vivitar AF Macro 100mm f/3.5 I decided that I really wanted a fast normal lens in my bag. The Pentax Macro 100mm f/2.8 was too expensive and the Pentax Macro 100mm f/3.5 only goes to 1:2 magnification. The Life Size Attachment lens on the Vivitar allows 1:1 magnification. Since I don't do a lot of macro photography it seemed like a resonable compromise. The best part: I was able to buy both lenses for what it would have cost me to buy the Pentax Macro 50mm f/2.8 alone. Thanks again to everyone that took time from their week-end to respond. Ed Dombek _ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film Scratches from PZ-1 PZ1p cameras
In a message dated 6/3/01 11:33:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks George. I'm waiting for mine to start acting up again. I can't open my camera right now as there is film in it... Does the white roller interact in anyway with the pressure plate to hold the film uniformly flat? Tom C. Tom, Short answer. -- I do not think so. The photograher at the museum where I work sold cameras for several years and he agrees with me on this. Long answer. (Probably more infmation then you want or need) -- The roller I am talking about is attached to the back of the camera by a piece of spring steel (I assume stainless) that is about 1/2 inch wide and 3/4 inch long. This spring is attached to the back by a single Phillips head screw. There are also two plastic knobs that help position this spring. The spring passes under a rod with two plastic rollers on it (see paragraph marked with a *). The roller on this spring is next to the hinge side of the back and presses against the film over the take-up reel. Given it's position I think it is to aid in holding the film to the spool to assist with the initial uptake of film when it is loaded. As I said in my earlier post, removal of this spring does mean you have to be more careful in loading film. You have to make sure the film holes match the sprockets on the take-up reel. Please remember I have only seen two rolls of film that have gone through my camera since I removed the spring but I can say that the scratching problem stopped when I took the spring off. * The two rollers on the rod that is above the spring discussed above probably do assist in holding film flat. I am not suggesting that these rollers be removed. I hope this helps. George Baumgardner - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Learning To make a Photograph
Ayash Kanto Mukherjee wrote: Most of the time, I use metered manul mode in my camera but while making candid street photographs, I am forced to switch to aperture priority mode and let the camera take care of the exposure. Why are you forced to let the camera take over? Of course, I don't learn anything about exposure while making those photographs. So why not take the time to go fully manual and learn. You may make some mistakes, but you'll learn from those errors. On the other hand, I concentrate only on the composition to catch the right moment. And how are your photographs? Are you satisfied with their quality? I think that I don't have the sense of understanding light and therefore I couldn't perform well, even in metered manual mode for candids. May I suggest reading a few books about light and exposure. While many people feel that Ansel Adams' Zone System is an outmoded method of exposure and development, I believe it offers great insight into how film works and can give one a good understanding of light and proper exposure technique. I also feel that working with BW negative film, and processing your own negatives, will help you understand more about exposure than shooting with color film. But I readily agree with you about the control of exposure in a photograph provided that the photographer has feel for light. Then you must start working with it. Perhaps if you got a spot meter and carried it with you all the time, and used it to measure light in the scenes you see, even if you're not making photographs. Bill Robb of this list impressed upon me the value of a spot meter, and his comments motivated me to get one. I bought a Pentax Spotmeter V and took it everywhere. I pointed it at trees, at shadows, at faces, at the sky ... I measured everything and was surprised at the results. For weeks I never took a picture, I just used the Pentax meter, and since i already had an understanding of the Zone System, what I was learning from the meter made sense. Soon after that I got a completely manual, meterless camera, and it took a few months of shooting almost every day to become completely comfortable with it and the spot meter. You will never learn if you keep falling back on your automatic camera. You must allow yourself to make mistakes, and learn from them. Good luck ... and keep at it. Cheers! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sticky foam
Bojidar Dimitrov wrote: Hi all, One of my older bodies is developing a problem: the foam where the mirror rests while in the up position is becoming sticky (this is not the LX sticky-mirror problem). Boz, this is not the Pro approach, but it worked for me on an old KM body. Forget the foam they sell you for cameras. It's the same crap they sell for tweeter dispersion on stereo speakers. Just aging in air and soaking up good ole Oxygen makes this stuff frailer than your Aunt Jennifer. Buy some black craft foam sheet, thin as you can find. Cut with scissors. Superglue carefully the right size strip in front of your focus screen. The stuff will last longer, and, I'd guess, damp the mirror better because it's stiffer. And much more resistant to oxidation. This is either insane or a great fix. The choice is yours. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 5 films in one tank DEVELOPING
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: 5 films in one tank DEVELOPING Thanks to both of you for your replies. Some more questions follow: 1) DEVELOPER CAPACITY TIME INCREASE When I run 5 films through it, using the stated 1150ml of developer, from 1 litre of stock Microphen, for example. Now I pour the developer back to its flask, and load another 5 films. I want to run them again in the Microphen, which has stated capacity per litre of stock dilution = 10 films (with appropriate increase in time). How much shall I now increase the time for the second run of 5 films? Shall I increase it 40% (as if doing 1 film per run, and after 5 films) ? Um.I recall from an earlier posting that you are using the developer at a 1:1 dilution. Since the tank capacity is 1150 ml, you would be using 675ml of stock solution. Ilford says the capacity of the developer is 100ml of stock solution per 135/36 or 120 film. If this is how you are processing, I would just use the developer once and pour it out. If cost is a factor, and you don't want to dump 175ml of developer every tank, try using 500ml of developer per tank and increasing the development time to compensate for the loss of activity due to dilution. As a guess, I would start with a 20% increase in time in the instance that I have described. 2) TO BILL: Actually, I think my tank is older Jobo. I thought about buying the 150x series new (the price of tank is nice, but the REELS are ridiculously expensive), and the reels price turned me off. The tank I have is propably older, written JOBO 1000, and holds not 560ml max capacity but 1150ml max capacity for 5 35mm reels. It is also NOT compatible with the JOBO processor system. But for my purposes is advanced enough - the plastic reels are so good they can be loaded even if wet. Normally, hand-agitation small tanks holding 2 35mm reels have about 550ml capacity, same as jobo 150x with 5 reels. What's your opinion now, when you know my tank is not the 150x series and is 2x as big? Thanks! I suspect that your tank is probably very similar to what I am using. The major difference being the lid that attaches to the processor. Are the reels 90mm in diameter? The Jobo 1500 series uses 1210ml to process 5 135mm films if used as an inversion agitation tank. For muself, as long as the equipment works, I am happy to use it. Jobo has always made well thought out darkroom gear, so while I am not familiar with what you are using, I would think it will do the job, unless there is something damaged or worn out about it. I am sorry to clutter the list with two similar threads. But my mailer is behaving strangely, forcing me to write my question about agitation in Large tanks (when looking up data in e.g. Kodak charts), and if my tank is to be considered as Large in anotther thread. Sorry! You are using a small tank. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Multiple exposures
Yes, that is what exactly I want to know. Any suggestion/comment?? Regards, Ayash K. On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Eduardo Carone Costa Júnior wrote: Thanks for the precise explanations. just one more question: How do you determine how many exposures do you need to get it right? My guess is that, on that particular photo, one second exposures wouldn't be short enough to do the trick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Special Gallery on PUG
I have noticed the following on the PUG Home Page: In July of 2001, Pentax will be discontinuing the LX camera body. To commemorate the 20 year history of the ultimate 35mm Pentax camera, a PUG style gallery will be presented in August, 2001. We invite submissions from Pentax LX users for this gallery. I think this is a very appropriate and fitting thing to do to honour the end of the production run of such a wonderful camera which I have always lusted after but which I considered was beyond my limited means. Might I suggest that consideration be given to a similar gallery in just over three years from now, July 2004 to be precise, to celebrate 40 years since the introduction of the Asahi Pentax Spotmatic. I know it is still a fair way off but it is never too early to plant the seed of such an idea. The only SLRs I have ever owned are Spotmatics and I am enthusiastically dedicated to the breed and have no desire to change from them. Ray Allen. Sydney. Australia. Check out Spotmatic at Yahoo!Groups at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spotmatic (I am the group's owner). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Architecture at the Edge of Town
Beautiful shot, Jan. I love the contrast of the red building against the blues of the sky and water. And the reeds or marsh grass or whatever in the foreground are a beautiful touch. But what I really wanted to comment on was your comment: A remarkable apartment building on the edge of my home-town Almere, modeled after American and Canadian grain elevators. It's incredibly ironic that you are modelling buildings in the Netherlands after a piece of our architectural heritage that is in fact fast disappearing! Seems that these small-town grain elevators are no longer economical, and are coming down at an alarming rate. They were a symbol of the prairies, but are becoming harder and harder to find. Maybe we'll start putting up windmills! :-) Thanks again for a beautiful image. regards, frank - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What happened... to PDML and PUG?
Eduardo wrote: Perhaps I'm just getting a little nervous. It seems that, the more I learn about photography, the worse my photos get... Had anyone felt like this before? Absolutely...a few long spells, at times. Unfortunately, there is apparently no quick fix. If there is some way you could lay your mind around this month's Lenswork magazine, there are a couple of worthwhile ideas proposed by 2 psycholigist/photographers who address the issues of misguided photographers and some possible strategies to think about. Good luck, Bob The best way to go into unknown territory is to go in ignorant...Dorothea Lange - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax-F Macro 35-70mm f/3.5-f/4.5 Zoom Question
Hi . This lens came wirh a used SF-1 i bought in April.I have taken 30-40 macro pics which all seem to be fairly sharp(just some poor composition on my part)As far as the 35-70 end i find it best at the 50mm area.I have a cutsy horse pic i took with it which i'll put on photo.net today.Look for the David Brooks site Dave Begin Original Message From: Ed Dombek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 09:55:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax-F Macro 35-70mm f/3.5-f/4.5 Zoom Question I've been offered the opportunity to purchase a Pentax-F Macro 35-70 f/3.5-f/4.5 Zoom lens to use with my ZX-5n. Can anyone tell me their experience with it? What features would I lose with a Pentax-F instead of a Pentax-FA lens and my body? If I purchase it I intend to sell my Pentax-FA 28mm-80mm f/3.5-f/5.6. (I have the Vivitar 19-35mm f/3.5-f/4.5 so I'm not too worried about wide-angle.) I would be doing this to gain Macro capability cheaper than buying the Pentax-FA Macro 50mm f/2.8 or Pentax-FA Macro 100mm f/2.8. I would probably use the savings to buy a Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4. Does this seem like a good approach? Thanks!!! _ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: F*300/4.5
KEH has one listed, for anyone wanting/needing one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More PUG comments
Bob Poe wrote: Mogul Tomb by Carlos Roya...Beautiful transition from the carved window shapes to the reflected shapes in the room. I also like the way you framed the scene beyond the window...nice depth throughout. Thanks for your comments, Bob. Architecture photography is one of the things I've always liked, and I have seen very good samples in this month's PUG. -- Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zaragoza (Aragon) - Spain -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: LX underground spotted
Just spotted: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1243142211 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: 5 films in one tank DEVELOPING
Hello! I need some advice from the experienced darkroomers out there, please! I finally found a cheap secondhand tank JOBO 1000 with up to 5 reels of 135 or 3 reels of 120 film at once, 1200ml capacity. It looks great compared to the tank I used before (2x135/1x120, leaking,...). 1) I use lots of Microphen 1+1 on HP5+. My questoin is, can I safely develop 5 films at once using the 1200ml of 1+1 developer (that would be 120ml of stock developer, should be well enough per film), without any increase in time? Because Ilford states that if one reuses a stock developer (e.g. 1l of stock, used for 10 films. For second film - +10% time, third film +20% ... tenth film +90% time), one has to increase dev time per each other film. But what if I develop all the films at once (or half of them)? Do I have to increase time somewhat? Either developing with stock or diluted microphen. Thanks a lot. 2) The JOBO 1000 was accompanied by a slightly more expensive JOBO 2000, which was almost 2 times as big (capacity, not height) with 1900ml capacity (5x135/3x120). It had bigger diameter. Is this tank (J. 2000) also usable with sheet film, using some special holders? I can't otherwise see why to make it with such big capacity (except that I would be able to use dilutions beyond 1+1 Microphen, which I do not use much, and which I can use even in the J 1000 if I make a run of fewer films) Thanks for any advice Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Special Gallery on PUG
Hi Ray, I think a gallery for the Spotmatic is a wonderful idea! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Ray Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 3:42 AM Subject: Special Gallery on PUG I have noticed the following on the PUG Home Page: In July of 2001, Pentax will be discontinuing the LX camera body. To commemorate the 20 year history of the ultimate 35mm Pentax camera, a PUG style gallery will be presented in August, 2001. We invite submissions from Pentax LX users for this gallery. I think this is a very appropriate and fitting thing to do to honour the end of the production run of such a wonderful camera which I have always lusted after but which I considered was beyond my limited means. Might I suggest that consideration be given to a similar gallery in just over three years from now, July 2004 to be precise, to celebrate 40 years since the introduction of the Asahi Pentax Spotmatic. I know it is still a fair way off but it is never too early to plant the seed of such an idea. The only SLRs I have ever owned are Spotmatics and I am enthusiastically dedicated to the breed and have no desire to change from them. Ray Allen. Sydney. Australia. Check out Spotmatic at Yahoo!Groups at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spotmatic (I am the group's owner). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
June PUG
Some of the most memorable entries for me... Mickey by Amber Dayton - great photo, great composition. Dad must be jealous of how well you are doing. grin I especially liked how the curves and circles seem to repeat. Paging Mr. Escher by Dave O'Brien - great play on words/art from another medium. And by the way, 'Mr Escher has left the building.' Architecture at the Edge of Town by Jan van Wijk - a grain elevator in the Netherlands that is really housing? It is a striking photo, especially with the red building contrasted with the reeds in the foreground. On the Farm by Leon Altoff - I've never been to Australia, but I've seen this building and walked down this lane before! The picture physically transports me to this place. Perhaps it's the lane and the cropping with the trees, but it causes me to feel that I am at this place, to listen for sounds, to feel the air temperature. Outstanding photo! Domino by D.Glenn Arthur Jr. - One of several very nice night shots this month. This photo gives me a feeling of strength, power and industrial might. I like the red painted on the water and the smoke billowing into the dark sky with the lighted building windows. I would like to see it even darker, if possible. Windows 1998 by Gianfranco Irlanda - let me add my praise to others... isn't it interesting how simple is more powerful than complex Looking Up I See the Windows Coming Upwards by Alexey Tikhonov - I keep coming back to this photo. The perspective is so strange and different and the two buildings are such a contrast, one typical rectangular construction and the other full of curved walls and windows. The night lighting adds to the mystery. Grain Elevator in Geary, Oklahoma by Collin Brendemuehl - Takes me back to those long car rides down Route 66 to see my grandparents. Gangway by Arnold Stark - took me a while to figure this one out, but after reading the caption I can't see anything but a cruise ship! Catedral de Puebla by Gerald Wang - I didn't know we had these in North America. Nice job of capturing the majesty of the structure. Puye Cliff Dwellings by William Robb - truely ancient architecture! Silo at Night by Geordie Clarke - I like everything about this photo, from the composition to the light and dark to the industrial might it conveys to the moon in the dark sky...nice work and close to home! Taos View by Ken Waller - I like the poles and the way they are decorated. The simple composition really calls attention to them, their repeating pattern, and the feeling of the colors of sky and building. Bridge Over Smooth Water by Bubba Payne - Another simple night shot I really liked. The blue light on the water and the blue on the bridge are very nice. How did you do this? I've never seen a blue bridge in Jacksonville? Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: 5 films in one tank DEVELOPING
Hi, In all probability you can use the same times as you use for smaller tanks. However, as with the introduction of any new equipment or technique in photography, it's a good idea to run a test or two and calibrate your developing times. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need some advice from the experienced darkroomers out there, please! I finally found a cheap secondhand tank JOBO 1000 with up to 5 reels of 135 or 3 reels of 120 film at once, 1200ml capacity. It looks great compared to the tank I used before (2x135/1x120, leaking,...). My questoin is, can I safely develop 5 films at once using the 1200ml of 1+1 developer (that would be 120ml of stock developer, should be well enough per film), without any increase in time? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: wide latitude slide film
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 09:39:13 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Keith, I had great luck pushing Fuji Provia 100F two stops. Fuji claims two stops will not degrade image and I completely agree. Arthur Morris regularly pushes Provia 100F two stops, but he rates it at 320 in the camera. I've had great fun reviewing Art Morris' Bulletin Archive at www.birdsasart.com . -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 50mm Lens Dilemma
I have the Sigma 50mm f2.8 EX. It is an excellent lens - very sharp, very good contrast and color rendition. I bought mine used from KEH for $160 - far less than the FA 50 f2.8 macro (even used.) Personally, I'd go for a fast 50mm over a macro if it was my only 50mm prime. The ability to shoot in low light and selectively focus that a fast lens gives outweighs the macro capability, especially when you can get the macro by adding an inexpensive extension tube. Just my 2 cents. - MCC At 06:05 AM 5/31/01 -0700, you wrote: I have 4 lens to go with my ZX-5n: - Pentax A 28mm f2.8 (which I may sell?) - Pentax FA 28-80mm f3.5-5.6 - Pentax FA 80-320mm f4.5-5.6 - Vivitar Series 1 AF 19-35mm f3.5-4.5 I'd like to add a lens that can support macro photography and have found the following potential options in my price range: - Pentax FA Macro 50mm f2.8 - Sigma Macro 50mm f2.8 EX AF The minimum focus distance for the Pentax is 19.5cm/7.6 inches; the Sigma is 18.8cm/7.4 inches. My questions to the group are: 1. Are there any other similar lenses I should consider? 2. Does anyone have either of these particular lens? If so, what do you think of it? 3. The Sigma lens is about $120/US less than the Pentax. Is there an advantage of the Pentax over the Sigma that isn't readily apparent? 4. Would it be smarter - it is cheaper - to buy the Pentax FA 50mm f1.4? Minimum focus on this lens is 45cm/1.5 feet. Could I use the faster lens for minimal macro work (flowers, etc.) with close-up filter(s)? What would be the draw backs of this approach? I appreciate any and all assistance! Ed Dombek _ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - -
Birthday Boy A Reminiscence
Hi Bob ... Congratulations on making it through another year! Had I known sooner that yesterday was your birthday, I probably would have had a wonderful party in your honor, inviting the glitterati and the downtroden as well as the usual boring and uninteresting people. Glad to hear you had a good day ... fish and chips sounds so good! Years ago - 1967 to be precise - there was a small fish chips shop in San Francisco, in the haight Ashbury. Now, never having had English FC, I cannot attest to the authenticity of the fare served at this little place, although the owner was British and claimed that this was as good as it gets here in the States. The chips were large slices cut from fresh potatoes, and the fish were fried in a very tasty batter, were flaky and moist, and not at all greasy. The whole order was served on a few sheets of newspaper, and malt vinegar seemed to be the condiment of choice. I've never again has such delicious FC. I'd like copy of the Salgado video. Thanks so much for the offer. I'm about to leave and see what sort of photos I can make today. Hope you have a great day, and again, Happy B'day. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital MZ - MR 52 projet still in the air ???
Hmmm... Didn't think of that. Good point. Todd At 04:33 PM 6/3/01 +1000, you wrote: What about all the pros with Pentax Medium format gear surely the 6M pixel body coupled with a lens adaptor would be of interest? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Last PUG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Waller,Taos View. I just like this much. I forgot to include Taos view among my preferred images this month, but I have an excuse: there are a lot of good photos this month, and I am too lazy to type long messages to the list. But I must say that this is one of the strongest images this month, and I like it very much. I am not very keen on polarizing filters, and I haven't used them too much in the last few years, but this time the filter has helped to improve this excellent photo. -- Carlos Royo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zaragoza (Aragon) - Spain -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: LX underground spotted
Someone might just get a deal. The guy doesn't seem to know what he has, other than he knows it is nice, and not beaten up. Good lick, crew, I already have 3 of them, and don't want a zoom lens. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - Original Message - From: Bob Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 6:39 AM Subject: Re: OT: LX underground spotted Just spotted: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=124314221 1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: re:Interesting Statistics
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 1:05 AM Subject: re:Interesting Statistics Hi Bill, that's a lot of hits! Makes me wonder if my images are good enough for such a frequented site :) Stop worrying, and keep submitting.G William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT (sort of) Ilfospeed Deluxe paper
Hi, I'm in search of a graded RC paper to use with my cold light head. About the only I see out there in stock is Ilfospeed Deluxe. Has anybody on the list used this stuff? I've use Ilford Multicontrast RC quite a lot. Is it similar? Thanks, Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Special Gallery on PUG
Agreed! Steve Larson wrote: I think a gallery for the Spotmatic is a wonderful idea! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... there is no point in pressing the shutter unless you are making some caustic comment on the incongruities of life - Phillip Jones Griffiths - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bad Moon Rising
On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:59:48 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Being neither a sailor nor an astronomer, I don't know where I might find out where in the sky the full moon will rise. Finding out when seems easy enough... does anyone know where I can find out where a full moon will rise? The reason I ask is that there's a photo opportunity that calls out for a long Pentax lens mounted on an LX Yes, Shel, the moon (and sun) do rise and set at (slightly) different azimuths each day. I haven't searched out web sites that would tell me about it, but the US Naval Observatory web site (http://www.usno.mil) has a lot of ephemeris type stuff, including sunrise/sunset and moonrise/moonset times, so they might have what you're looking for. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 5 films in one tank DEVELOPING
You will love the Jobo. I am using the series 1500 tanks for my roll film and the 2000 series for the large format. Ilford states that you need at least 100ml od _stock_ solution per film. The series 1500 tank with 1 extension (this will hold 5 35mm reels) requires 560 ml to fill to capacity (do not exceed this quantity), This would indicate that if you want to use Microphen 1:1, you will have to use 2 tanks of developer, changing it out halfway through the developing cycle to avoid exhausting the chemistry. Make sure for film processing that you use the machine on it's slowest speed. This presumes you are using a Jobo processor as well. If you are just using the tanks for inversion agitation, then you will have no problems with the chemical capacities. As you noted, you will be 20% above what Ilford states as needed for proper processing. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 5:11 AM Subject: OT: 5 films in one tank DEVELOPING Hello! I need some advice from the experienced darkroomers out there, please! I finally found a cheap secondhand tank JOBO 1000 with up to 5 reels of 135 or 3 reels of 120 film at once, 1200ml capacity. It looks great compared to the tank I used before (2x135/1x120, leaking,...). 1) I use lots of Microphen 1+1 on HP5+. My questoin is, can I safely develop 5 films at once using the 1200ml of 1+1 developer (that would be 120ml of stock developer, should be well enough per film), without any increase in time? Because Ilford states that if one reuses a stock developer (e.g. 1l of stock, used for 10 films. For second film - +10% time, third film +20% ... tenth film +90% time), one has to increase dev time per each other film. But what if I develop all the films at once (or half of them)? Do I have to increase time somewhat? Either developing with stock or diluted microphen. Thanks a lot. 2) The JOBO 1000 was accompanied by a slightly more expensive JOBO 2000, which was almost 2 times as big (capacity, not height) with 1900ml capacity (5x135/3x120). It had bigger diameter. Is this tank (J. 2000) also usable with sheet film, using some special holders? I can't otherwise see why to make it with such big capacity (except that I would be able to use dilutions beyond 1+1 Microphen, which I do not use much, and which I can use even in the J 1000 if I make a run of fewer films) Thanks for any advice Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What happened... to PDML and PUG?
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 00:18:00 -0300, Eduardo Carone Costa J£nior wrote: Perhaps I'm just getting a little nervous. It seems that, the more I learn about photography, the worse my photos get... Had anyone felt like this before? Yep. It's called learning. You're now holding your own photos to a higher standard. It's the biggest drawback of learning ... the blissful ignorance goes away a little bit with each little bit you learn. :-) TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: LX underground spotted
I already asked him if he wants to ship outside the USA. If he is willing, I'll hold my breath. Frits -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: 03 June 2001 16:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: LX underground spotted Someone might just get a deal. The guy doesn't seem to know what he has, other than he knows it is nice, and not beaten up. Good lick, crew, I already have 3 of them, and don't want a zoom lens. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - Original Message - From: Bob Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 6:39 AM Subject: Re: OT: LX underground spotted Just spotted: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=124314221 1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital MZ - MR 52 projet still in the air ???
I believe the main purpose of a digital slr at this state is to signalize that the K-mount will be taken over into the digital age and that customers can continue buying K-mount cameras and lenses knowing that their system will be compatible with up-to-date digital cameras. I just recently bought my first SLR and it's a Pentax. I feel I'm not wasting my money investing in Pentax lenses because they won't be obsolete in a few years, even when I don't plan in spending $7000 in a digital. So the digital SLR may also boost the sells of other Pentax products. Maybe in 5 years I can get a digital for considerably less than $7000... There's no doubt that the future is digital. Hernan. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: LX underground spotted
I know how these auctions go. He knows nothing about cameras, so he doesn't realize the shutter is jammed, the focus ring is supposed to turn, and that fuzzy stuff shouldn't be growing on the front element. I would bid assuming that the camera will need atleast a CLA. Todd At 09:15 AM 6/3/01 -0600, you wrote: Someone might just get a deal. The guy doesn't seem to know what he has, other than he knows it is nice, and not beaten up. Good lick, crew, I already have 3 of them, and don't want a zoom lens. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - Original Message - From: Bob Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 6:39 AM Subject: Re: OT: LX underground spotted Just spotted: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=124314221 1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT (sort of) Ilfospeed Deluxe paper
- Original Message - From: Ed Mathews Subject: OT (sort of) Ilfospeed Deluxe paper Hi, I'm in search of a graded RC paper to use with my cold light head. About the only I see out there in stock is Ilfospeed Deluxe. Has anybody on the list used this stuff? I've use Ilford Multicontrast RC quite a lot. Is it similar? Ilfospeed Deluxe is nice. Similar to Multigrade, but with better blacks, and less tendency for veiling. Kodak still makes a nice RC graded I think (Kodabromide RC). There doesn't seem to be a lot of call for graded RC paper anymore. May I ask why you want to use it? I use VC papers with my coldlight with great success William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT (sort of) Ilfospeed Deluxe paper
In a message dated 6/3/2001 10:41:51 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ilfospeed Deluxe is nice. Similar to Multigrade, but with better blacks, and less tendency for veiling. Kodak still makes a nice RC graded I think (Kodabromide RC). There doesn't seem to be a lot of call for graded RC paper anymore. May I ask why you want to use it? I use VC papers with my coldlight with great success Agreed, except - in my experience the pearl surface MGIV has never shown any tendency toward veiling. With glossy, sometimes I find it, sometimes I don't. Regards, Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bad Moon Rising
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 11:27:10 -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: [...] US Naval Observatory web site (http://www.usno.mil) [...] Oops. Sorry folks, I should have checked that URL. The actual URL is http://www.usno.navy.mil TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Special Gallery on PUG
- Original Message - From: Ray Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 4:42 AM Subject: Special Gallery on PUG I have noticed the following on the PUG Home Page: In July of 2001, Pentax will be discontinuing the LX camera body. To commemorate the 20 year history of the ultimate 35mm Pentax camera, a PUG style gallery will be presented in August, 2001. We invite submissions from Pentax LX users for this gallery. I think this is a very appropriate and fitting thing to do to honour the end of the production run of such a wonderful camera which I have always lusted after but which I considered was beyond my limited means. Might I suggest that consideration be given to a similar gallery in just over three years from now, July 2004 to be precise, to celebrate 40 years since the introduction of the Asahi Pentax Spotmatic. I know it is still a fair way off but it is never too early to plant the seed of such an idea. The only SLRs I have ever owned are Spotmatics and I am enthusiastically dedicated to the breed and have no desire to change from them. I like the idea, though I probably won't participate, and you will have to talk a different PUG maintainer into it. I will be handing this job off sometime later this year. When I put the idea forward for a commemorative gallery, Doug mentioned the possibility of something like this happening, where all of a sudden, every camera gets it's own commemorative gallery. He strongly disagreed with the idea, as it is not in keeping with the PUG mandate. This is why the PUG will not be hosting the LX gallery. I am using the PUG as a vehicle for advertising it, but it will be going up on a different server, for a couple of reasons. I suspect that any gallery of this sort that we put on as members of the PDML should be hosted elsewhere. The PUG and the PDML are cousins, but they don't live in the same house. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: June PUG
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 7:24 AM Subject: June PUG Some of the most memorable entries for me... Puye Cliff Dwellings by William Robb - truely ancient architecture! Thanks Bob, you are most kind. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
June PUG Thoughts
My shot was obviously a flop as was last months. It's what I get for waiting until an hour before the PUG deadline to choose a photo and scan it. My thoughts for the month: Renaissance Bridge by Bill Sawyer, USA Definitely an attention getter. Reminds me of the 60's Time Tunnel television show which is one of my favorites. Very nice. Bathroom Plan by Bill Gekas, Australia Cool shot. Nice layout of subject components. I like the foreground slightly out of focus. The ruler leads your eye in. Arch/Whale by Frantisek Vlcek, Czech Republic Nice wide angle effect. A very abstract composition. To me it also looks like it could be musical bars winding their way into a giant ear. (I hope those Fruitland guys get here soon. I'm starting to scare myself). Nature's Architecture - Capilano Canyon, Vancouver, B.C. by Cameron Hood Lovely shot of the canyon. Been there many times. Who would know it was in town? A question... Why the multiple exposure? 10 in Gun Casements, Fort Jackson, LA by Kevin Thornsberry Beautiful. I like the depth, symmetry, lighting and colors in this shot. Looking Up I See the Windows Coming Upwards by Alexey Tikhonov, Russia Neat this is and perspective altered interesting tilted. :-) Shots taken at weird angles are often very nice as this one proves. Evening Stroll by William Johnson, USA I am struck by the reflections as well and by the size difference of the two main elements to the composition. I usually am not drawn to BW or people shots, but this one reaches out and draws me in. Good job. Horningsea Park House by Ray Allen, Australia I like this shot. I am curious why it seems so crisp and crystal clear. The Gallery by Norm Baugher, Germany/USA Cool shot. It took me a while to figure out exactly what it was. Puye Cliff Dwellings by William Robb Nice shot except for all that McDonald's crapola. Sheesh, what ever inspired you to do that? ;-) How do you say Puye? My favorite this month: Taos View by Ken Waller, Michigan, USA A strong image. Great tight composition. Leaves one wanting to see more. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Last PUG
Joseph Tainter's: Fisheye shots from cathedrals are I think pretty rare. This one works for me well! The tourists belong there, cathedral fisheyed by them. Glad you liked it. Thanks for the comment. For those who commented on mine ( arch / whale picture). For me, this was the best photo of the month. Keep up the great work. Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bad Moon Rising
Thanks Dave, I added that to my favorites. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Dave Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Bad Moon Rising Steve, big computers can get the info over the internet. For most US locations, you can get a nice list of altitude/azimuth for any day at: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/ Steve Larson wrote: Waah! I don`t have a CE PPC. -- Dave Maki Calgary, Alberta - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Lens ?
I found this lens on ebay. I thought they only mad takumar like that, not Pentax. This is the lens in question http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1243246843 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: June PUG Thoughts
- Original Message - From: aimcompute Puye Cliff Dwellings by William Robb Nice shot except for all that McDonald's crapola. Sheesh, what ever inspired you to do that? ;-) How do you say Puye? pooh yea William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: F*300/4.5
I used to have one but sold it out for the following reasons: 1. it is pretty lightweight for a 300mm lens but still in some cases I thought it should have a tripod collar 2. wide-open - and this is how I like using telephotos for some types of photography - it is pretty good by an ED lens standards at the centre but a real disaster at the edges - stopping down to something like f/11 brings edges up to equal central performance, which is pretty poor for a lens that slow (by 2001 standards). Therefore no more 300mm f/4,5 Pentax-F* for me --- Za³ó¿ konto w mBank i wygraj telefon Ericsson R380s z WAP i setki innych nagród! Kliknij! http://pasazfin.wp.pl/pasazBank.html?POD=2instytucja=mBank - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Lens communication problem?
Frankly, F:2.8 and 1/500s under the conditions you describe sound pretty much correct to me both when using the sunny 16 rule (compensated for overcast light) and based on my experience (eg. my 600/4 at F:4.5 in sunshine for a medium toned subject yields approximately 1/1500s with 100ISO film). It all also depends on the tonality of the subject but definitely doesn't sound off beat to me. It perfectly normal that the aperture isn't displayed when using an "A" lens with manually set aperture. My Z-1p do this and I guess the ZX-5n does the same. You really have to give us more details in order to spot the problem; I'm not all convinced that there is a problem.Switch to spot metering and set the set both camera and lens to "A". Then select aperture manually and select the value that the program line choose. Then compare shutterspeed; they should be the same. Thenchange to another lens and meter the same area with the same aperture and compare results and tell us what you find. Pål - Original Message - From: Ryan K. Brooks To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 9:50 PM Subject: Lens communication problem? Quick question: I picked up an "ugly" but optically good A* 400mm f2.8 and was testing it out today. One thing I noticed with it on my ZX-5n was some odd metering. With the camera in manual focus, and Autoexposure, and the lens at 2.8, it was selecting 1/500s (this was in overcast skies on 100 ISO, so definitely an underexposure (it didn't matter if I switched to spot metering, so the meter wasn't 'confused'). If I set the lens to A, the camera selected f4.5 and a 1/60s exposure (looked right to me). Also there was no indicator of the F-stop in the display, just --. Thoughts? Am I screwed? TIA, Ryan Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: F*300/4.5
You're referring to the FA*300/4.5, the F* model does have a tripod collar, and if I'm not mistaken is a bit heavier. Nicholas Wright --- Jaros3aw Brzeziñski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to have one but sold it out for the following reasons: 1. it is pretty lightweight for a 300mm lens but still in some cases I thought it should have a tripod collar 2. wide-open - and this is how I like using telephotos for some types of photography - it is pretty good by an ED lens standards at the centre but a real disaster at the edges - stopping down to something like f/11 brings edges up to equal central performance, which is pretty poor for a lens that slow (by 2001 standards). Therefore no more 300mm f/4,5 Pentax-F* for me --- Za3ó¿ konto w mBank i wygraj telefon Ericsson R380s z WAP i setki innych nagród! Kliknij! http://pasazfin.wp.pl/pasazBank.html?POD=2instytucja=mBank - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Medium Format to 35 (WAS: Digital MZ - MR 52 projet still in the air ???)
On 4 Jun 2001, at 0:31, Pål Jensen wrote: Todd wrote: It should perform quite well, as you are just using the center of the image produced by the lens, which is where most lenses perorm best. They still show visible light fall-off at the corners at wide apertures. Also, when used on on 35mm format all optical defects will be trippled for a certain magnification. In addition, MF lenses are apparently harder to design well. You'll see that almost all MF lenses have lower MTF values than comparable lenses for the 35mm format. Even a Carl Zeiss Macro lens for the Hasselblad is pretty average by 35mm standards. Hi Pål, My relative tests of 35mm vs MF Pentax lenses showed that the difference was negligible in all but the most demanding situations, also I noted no vignetting in the corners of the 35mm frame when using MF lenses. The distortion (colour and geometric) was very good right to the edges of the frame also. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/pentaxmfvs35mmlenstest.html There is no truth in the statement the MF lenses have lower MTF values either, just check the Photodo tests for the Mamiya 7 lenses, I have the 43, 80 and 150 and can say that they are pretty damn good irrespective of the format. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: More PUG comments
[snip] Geordie Clarke's Silo at Night...I like the perspective, and the contrast which I find both subtle and dramatic in color and subject. I think a wider lens might have made the bottom left a bit less crowded. [snip] Warmly, Bob Thanks Bob. I know what you mean about using a wider lens. I only had one lens with me that night and I don't think I spent enough time trying to find the right angle. If I shoot the scene again, I would change many things. The perspective and framing would be on the top of my list. And of course, these days it would be BW. regards, Geordie Clarke - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Special Gallery on PUG
I agree. I use my LX more than any other camera I won, but my Spotmatics still own my heart. Thoe are the cameras I lusted after when I couldn't afford a Pentax, and they're very special to me. I suspect that many other Pentaxians feel the same way. A Spotmatic tribute is certainly a good idea. Paul Steve Larson wrote: Hi Ray, I think a gallery for the Spotmatic is a wonderful idea! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Ray Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 3:42 AM Subject: Special Gallery on PUG I have noticed the following on the PUG Home Page: In July of 2001, Pentax will be discontinuing the LX camera body. To commemorate the 20 year history of the ultimate 35mm Pentax camera, a PUG style gallery will be presented in August, 2001. We invite submissions from Pentax LX users for this gallery. I think this is a very appropriate and fitting thing to do to honour the end of the production run of such a wonderful camera which I have always lusted after but which I considered was beyond my limited means. Might I suggest that consideration be given to a similar gallery in just over three years from now, July 2004 to be precise, to celebrate 40 years since the introduction of the Asahi Pentax Spotmatic. I know it is still a fair way off but it is never too early to plant the seed of such an idea. The only SLRs I have ever owned are Spotmatics and I am enthusiastically dedicated to the breed and have no desire to change from them. Ray Allen. Sydney. Australia. Check out Spotmatic at Yahoo!Groups at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spotmatic (I am the group's owner). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Anyone else having problems posting to PDML?
I've been getting delivery failure responses on 3 mail message to PDML, but my test message last night went through fine. Is there some general problem with pdml.net's mail server? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Special Gallery on PUG
Bill has raised some important issues here. But remember that a commemorative gallery can be unofficial. In other words, all those who own a Spotmatic could shoot their PUG entry for the appropriate month with the Spotmatic and indicate as much on their submission information. However the use of a Spotmatic would be a matter of choice. This might be more of a tribute that a mandatory Spotmatic gallery. It's a by-choice kind of thing, and, as such, might well prove to be an even more fitting tribute to the camera that put Pentax on the map. Paul William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Ray Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 3, 2001 4:42 AM Subject: Special Gallery on PUG I have noticed the following on the PUG Home Page: In July of 2001, Pentax will be discontinuing the LX camera body. To commemorate the 20 year history of the ultimate 35mm Pentax camera, a PUG style gallery will be presented in August, 2001. We invite submissions from Pentax LX users for this gallery. I think this is a very appropriate and fitting thing to do to honour the end of the production run of such a wonderful camera which I have always lusted after but which I considered was beyond my limited means. Might I suggest that consideration be given to a similar gallery in just over three years from now, July 2004 to be precise, to celebrate 40 years since the introduction of the Asahi Pentax Spotmatic. I know it is still a fair way off but it is never too early to plant the seed of such an idea. The only SLRs I have ever owned are Spotmatics and I am enthusiastically dedicated to the breed and have no desire to change from them. I like the idea, though I probably won't participate, and you will have to talk a different PUG maintainer into it. I will be handing this job off sometime later this year. When I put the idea forward for a commemorative gallery, Doug mentioned the possibility of something like this happening, where all of a sudden, every camera gets it's own commemorative gallery. He strongly disagreed with the idea, as it is not in keeping with the PUG mandate. This is why the PUG will not be hosting the LX gallery. I am using the PUG as a vehicle for advertising it, but it will be going up on a different server, for a couple of reasons. I suspect that any gallery of this sort that we put on as members of the PDML should be hosted elsewhere. The PUG and the PDML are cousins, but they don't live in the same house. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: June PUG
snip Silo at Night by Geordie Clarke - I like everything about this photo, from the composition to the light and dark to the industrial might it conveys to the moon in the dark sky...nice work and close to home! snip Regards, Bob S. Thanks for the kind words Bob! regards, Geordie Clarke - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
GFNPW
Just returned from the Grandfather Nature Photo Weekend. PDML members attending were, Jeepgirl, Mark Roberts, Tom Van Veen, John DeLoach and myself. Our own Doug Brewer was speaker on Friday night. Turns out he's a pretty fair photographer, judging by the slides he showed us. Saturday night was a stunning show and seminar by Tony Sweet. Be sure and check out his website at www.tonysweetphotography.com/ I'll try and get some more info out later and we can hopefully get some of our photos posted somewhere sometime soon. Some of the others will be back probably tomorrow (I'm only 90 miles away) or the next day and will fill you in on details such as who fell in the creek, more about the weather (lots of rain and 90 mph winds this morning on top of the mountain), but gorgeous weather Saturday except for the wind which made shooting wildflowers somewhat difficult. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Forgot to mention
Some of the other folks at GFNPW got to shoot some with the MZ-S and will tell you all about it. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What happened... to PDML and PUG?
Dan Scott wrote: Perhaps I'm just getting a little nervous. It seems that, the more I learn about photography, the worse my photos get... Had anyone felt like this before? I am just beginning to experience this with photography. I get some decent shots, many average to poor shots, and nothing outstanding. I've only been doing it for about 4 years. However, I've played guitar for 30+ years, and hit the wall many times there. What I learned from it is that, once I evolved a style, I got bored with it. Many folks think I'm a fine player, including other musicians. I think we tend to dislike the familiar. For my part, I'm trying to be happy with decent shots. Lots of folks can't get them. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What happened... to PDML and PUG?
Hi Lon, Eduardo Carone Costa Júnior ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is the one who posted it, but I also feel that way. The shots that thrilled me when I first tried out my new ZX-5n with its equally new FA 35/2 last Fall are embarassing now. However, I'm keeping them on the web, so I can have something to openly mark my progress by (on the assumption it builds character, if not skill g). Happy shooting, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan Scott wrote: Perhaps I'm just getting a little nervous. It seems that, the more I learn about photography, the worse my photos get... Had anyone felt like this before? I am just beginning to experience this with photography. I get some decent shots, many average to poor shots, and nothing outstanding. I've only been doing it for about 4 years. However, I've played guitar for 30+ years, and hit the wall many times there. What I learned from it is that, once I evolved a style, I got bored with it. Many folks think I'm a fine player, including other musicians. I think we tend to dislike the familiar. For my part, I'm trying to be happy with decent shots. Lots of folks can't get them. - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Special Gallery on PUG
It doesn't have to have anything to do with PUG, all someone needs is some webspace and a little time and they could create any gallery they feel like. This would probably be a much better idea than to invade the PUG for a month. Todd At 08:04 PM 6/3/01 -0400, you wrote: Bill has raised some important issues here. But remember that a commemorative gallery can be unofficial. In other words, all those who own a Spotmatic could shoot their PUG entry for the appropriate month with the Spotmatic and indicate as much on their submission information. However the use of a Spotmatic would be a matter of choice. This might be more of a tribute that a mandatory Spotmatic gallery. It's a by-choice kind of thing, and, as such, might well prove to be an even more fitting tribute to the camera that put Pentax on the map. Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Off Topic messages
Either I'm confused or maybe we need to talk about what OT (off topic) messages are. I've just read handful of messages marked OT whose subjects were about Pentax bodies, Pentax lenses, photo technique, film choice, etc.. Why would these posts be considered OT? Dan (scratchin my head) Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Anyone else having problems posting to PDML?
I haven't seen any delivery failure notices...however, three of my messages took over 6 hours to show up and one never made it at all. Nothing vital you understand, but those kind of delays make it difficult to sustain a thread. Wondering if this thread will ever get up???Bob --- Gerald F. Cermak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been getting delivery failure responses on 3 mail message to PDML, but my test message last night went through fine. Is there some general problem with pdml.net's mail server? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: June Gallery
Collin Brendemuehl opines: So much good stuff. Just a few comments. ... Light Space #9, by Gerald Cermak Makes me want to watch The Sound of Music one more time. If this is a compliment, thanks. What part of the image gives you the sense of The Sound of Music? For me, the shot appeared technically accurate to what I was trying to capture, but with hindsight I wished I had shot another frame from the exact same vantage point but with the stained glass exposed properly, and then used photoshop to put the properly exposed windows on the properly exposed altar shot. (Would that be acceptable for PUG submission? A montage of sorts?) I'm noticing that slide film does have a noticeably less range of latitude than print film, and this shot clearly shows it. Cheers, Gerald - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Which picture is better?
Must be true luv if you let her use your 85/1.8. I like both, but am partial to the first. Regards, Bob... -- Those who say that life is worth living at any cost have already written an epitaph of infamy, for there is no cause and no person that they will not betray to stay alive. Sidney Hook - Original Message - From: Gerald F. Cermak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: Which picture is better? While in Paris last weekend, my fiancé and I escaped the unseasonable heat in Jardin Luxembourg, and I got a few shots of her using her ME Super and my K85/1.8, and would enjoy other's opinions on which is best: #1 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_01.jpg #2 http://www.spotmatic.com/images/hk_jl_02.jpg Both shots taken are full frame on Velvia, LX w/ K50/1.2, at about f/2 or f/2.8 and ~1/125. Scanned on my modified RFS3600 at original resolution of 3600dpi. Thanks, Gerald - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Lens
My son, Steven, made the original posting on this thread. Actually, this is physically identical to the Takumar-A except for the label, of course. Note the aperture A setting colors. SMC lenses have white letters and a green A Taks have green letters and a red A. The Takumar-A 28/2.8 has the same coloring. We compared the SMC and the Pentax-A down @ Midwest a couple of months ago. The difference is clear even in the finder. The SMC would, because of a different optical design, appear to have a greater DOF @ a given aperture. Or at least a different handling of the non-confusion area. Anyway, it's a real, visible, measurable difference. I more suspect that the Pentax-A (non-SMC, i.e., this one) is the same as the Takumar-A, just with a name change. Even the rubber grip is the same. Collin --original--- Nope. Very nice Pentax A zoom, f4.0. In production from some time in early or mid-1980s until the beginning of the AF era. Labeled as 70-200 in ad, but as I recall it was 70-210 -- unless my memory is fading. Still sorry I sold mine. Bob Harris * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
