Re: Published
Congrats! That really is a great shot! What were these difficulties you mentioned with the PZ-1 for this shot? True story: The first night, I took the PZ-1 and found a number of logistical difficulties in using it for this shot. So I chose the WR-90 the next night, largely because of the Bulb Timer mode, but also because it's water-resistant and not an SLR.
Re: Digital Back for 645Nii?
On 5 Nov 2003 at 23:50, John Francis wrote: Then there's the fact that the original article is light on details; the 3k could be street price, wholesale price, manufacturing price, or even just the cost to Pentax of the sensor. Whatever it means it's pie-in-the sky pricing, I have a recent sale brochure in front of me for the Sinarback 54s and Leaf Valeo 11 backs at AU$44,000 and AU$20,545 ex tax. See: http://www.baltronics.com.au/sinarback_prices.html Does FF mean size of a 35mm negative, or size of a 645 negative? I was referring to full frame sensors in both formats. But you can't use two-year-old prices to discuss pricing in this year's (or next year's) marketplace. Well we couldn't seem to get around it last week so if you can't beat em.. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
*ist D for eur 1576.00
http://www.fotoshopping.de/shopping/shop/article.asp?EAN=1241324654237 I have no experience with this firm, anyone ordered from digitale.welt in Germany before? -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
More than a year ago (two?) we had a discussion about this very thing - colour perception. Do we all see the same colours? Two people look at a coloured object; both agree that it's yellow-green. But do they actually perceive identically? I think we concluded that it didn't matter whether they did or not. There was mention of eyes and brains and all that stuff too. But I can't find the posts. They may be on a CD somewhere and I'll take a look later. ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages The Cement Company from HELL! Updated: August 15, 2003 - Original Message - From: Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:11 AM Subject: Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D D. Glenn Arthur wrote: First, Google for anomalous reflectance. I've read about the effect on film before, and apparently there are certain fabric/dye combinations that are a real PITA for catalog photography because of it. (Or maybe you don't have to, since you already have a handle on the cause. But I found it interesting reading the last time I dove into the subject.) Anomalous reflectance sounds right, and it's not a problem with the film or the sensor. A few years ago, I photographed a model wearing a yellowish-green dress, which looked greenish-yellow on film. It might have been the other way around, but the picture certainly didn't look like the fabric. Some shades of purple are difficult for film to reproduce, or at least to print the way our eyes see the color. Digital sensors will have trouble with some parts of the spectrum, too. Human eyes don't even see everything the same, as you notice when you disagree with someone over what color something really is. If your own two eyes match each other, good enough. Pat White
Re: PZ-1 vs MZ-S
My main advice would be to think very hard before selling the LX and the lens. You might really regret it afterwards, because none of the cameras mentioned, comes close to the quality feel that makes the LX so outstanding. Even the MZ-S is no match, although it is far better than the PZ1 - but then, if you inspect the plastic film door of the MZ-S you will think of obtaining another LX, just to touch it occasionally... I don't own a PZ1p but I have played with it and have seriously considered buying one. When comparing the both, the 'p' at least has some leatherette over the grip, whereas its predecessor is bare plastic. Some would say all this is unimportant, but I personally don't like using cameras that don't feel nice. As for the 'user interface' I am still puzzled why Pentax have returned to the two wheels of the PZ1 with the new *ist D, after realising (with the MZ-S) that two is one too much. My only explanation is that Pentax might plan to (completely) move their lens line-up to 'non-aperture-ring' lenses, which indeed would mean a slight disadvantage to the MZ-S. But then, I would not buy lenses without aperture ring anyway, as these are useless with the LX... Maybe this is because I have spent some time with older medium format cameras, but I always think of speed and aperture as PAIRS that cause 'correct' exposure. When using the camera in P mode, the effect of changing the aperture with the aperture wheel and of changing the speed with the speed wheel is the same - it just doesn't matter, as you only select another speed/aperture COMBINATION - which the single wheel of the MZ-S is perfect for. Maybe you should consider buying a Z50p or another one of the cheaper Z-series cameras first, to find out how you get along with AF anyway. Those cameras can be found for relatively small money, they have full finder information (that you are used to from the LX) the AF is fairly fast and will give you an idea of what you can expect and what not. Sven - Original Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] It has one wheel for your right hand thumb to adjust shutter speed, and one wheel for your index to adjust the aperture. Cheers, Jostein This makes logical sense to me, whereas the *ist-D's layout does not: index finger controls shutter speed, thumb controls aperture. why did Pentax change it? Christian
Re: Dario and the MZ-S page
This one time, at band camp, David Madsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who is considering an MZ-S should visit Dario's wonderful site, URL? Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Updating address book
I hope not too many of you have been alarmed by the Verisign automatic address updating routine -- Plaxo. I activated it to update my address book. I have 403 addresses and wanted to see if any could be removed -- before Christmas when I send out my usual greetings. It's quite secure and safe. I apologise for the intrusion. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages The Cement Company from HELL! Updated: August 15, 2003
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:22:01 +0200, Dr E D F Williams wrote: More than a year ago (two?) we had a discussion about this very thing - colour perception. Do we all see the same colours? Two people look at a coloured object; both agree that it's yellow-green. But do they actually perceive identically? I think we concluded that it didn't matter whether they did or not. There was mention of eyes and brains and all that stuff too. But I can't find the posts. They may be on a CD somewhere and I'll take a look later. The textile industry sure thinks people perceive colors slightly differently. It's less of an issue now in textiles, since machines can check color using technology very similar to digital photography, but it wasn't in the past. The textile industry had (has?) people dedicated to checking colors, for example, to make sure that two batches of dye are the same color. The majority of these jobs were (are?) held by women, since they apparently tend to have more repeatable judgements of color, and two women are more likely to see the same colors than two men. At least that's what we were taught back in the mid 1980s when I took a number of textiles classes in college. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
On 5/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: From what I can gather, there's going to be a foreign invasion at the 2004 GFM NPW. Coming to gather you all in and teach you how to really party ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
On 5/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I may need to bum a ride from somewhere in the NE US down to GFM. Now, wouldn't that be a fun trip, Cotty? vbg You have no idea ;-) Glad you'll be there. I'm so looking forward to this... Same here buddy. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Updating address book
So, is this Dr. Williams or a really smart virus? Kinda like The Matrix, don't you think? ;-p [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/03 08:47AM I hope not too many of you have been alarmed by the Verisign automatic address updating routine -- Plaxo. I activated it to update my address book. I have 403 addresses and wanted to see if any could be removed -- before Christmas when I send out my usual greetings. It's quite secure and safe. I apologise for the intrusion. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages The Cement Company from HELL! Updated: August 15, 2003
Re: Updating address book
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:15:43 -0500 Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is this Dr. Williams or a really smart virus? Kinda like The Matrix, don't you think? ;-p No, not Matrix, not again... Boris
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
It's an interesting thought, but what I perceive to be blue might actually what you perceive to be green. Imagine people around you who go thru life seeing 'blue' vegetables (though it seems perfectly normal to them *because* that's what they always known the label 'green' to refer to). And how would one actually prove any of this? Curiously, Ryan From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do we all see the same colours? Two people look at a coloured object; both agree that it's yellow-green. But do they actually perceive identically?
Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: same pictures in same conditions
All pictures shown in my website were shot in *** jpeg, with the only exception of the bell tower among the last sample pictures (where RAW+conversion is stated). Ciao, Dario - Original Message - From: Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: same pictures in same conditions Dario Bonazza 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, all *ist D pictures were taken with default settings for sharpness, contrast and saturation, hence 0, 0, 0 (not +1, +1, +1 as previously stated). Ciao Dario, Sorry if this has been asked before: did you use the in-camera jpeg setting or RAW images converted in a second moment for the comparison shots? It is not clear with all the pictures. Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update
So you were on topic after all. Thanks. Dario - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update and NASA software is public domain. Herb - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:26 AM Subject: Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update Do all *ist D users have access to NASA labs? Great! Is it enough to jump there and show the *ist D to get free access everywhere? (I mean: please don't split hairs on any given word. Try to get the meaning and possibly keep on topic a bit.)
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
On 5/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: ~I'm~ getting married. Cotty will be the Best Man (we'll have to think of a more appropriate term to describe him, though). Suggestions please... ;-) Brad Dobo. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE: Cropping
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Almost as sad are the people who bring in their wedding albums with 100 photos marked with post-it notes (wanting different sizes and crops, of course), lay down a massive fricken pile of negatives, and expect the clerk to match up each photo with its negative. They get the most surprised look on their faces when I gently let them know that we can't really take a clerk out of commission for two days to do that. Ha! This is related to the comment I often get - Oh, you shoot weddings. It must be so nice to work one day a week! Tom, you told me it was just the afternoon Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Woohoo, its here!
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Frank can loan you his bunny ears. He won't need to. ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: (b) a place to stay - which could be the back of somebody;s van.. There's a movie in this. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Digital Back for 645Nii?
On Wednesday, Nov 5, 2003, at 17:21 America/New_York, Mark Erickson wrote: All, Check out this posting over at photo.net: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=006R06 I think even at US$6,000 it would be considered a steal if it is comparable with something like a PhaseOne H20. --jc
Re: ist d underexposure
Wouldn'y those glass bricks in the wall behind the people be highly reflective? That could reaaly fool a flash. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/05/03 07:28PM ... and here is the link: http://www.xdstech.com/istd/underexposed.asp arnie - Original Message - From: arnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: ist d underexposure well the worst case of the underexposure was on a wide shot, but the background was not white. i'm going to upload the pictures to my site. i'll post the link when its up. arnie - Original Message - From: Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Re: ist d underexposure I am using the ist D with the 360fgz, and all my indoor pictures are terribley underexposed. anyone have a similar experience? or know of a solution? quite disappointing to spend $1525 and get a broken unit (if thats what it is) arnie If white (or clear) walls were a big part of the picture (wide angle lens), it is normal and you need to compensate. I bet a photo of a person taken with a tele lens from the same distance would be fine, as skin and clothes would fill most of the frame. Andre --
Re: Undersharpening
Herb Chong wrote: nothing reads Pentax RAW format except Pentax software, yet. i'm not holding my breath. I believe GraphicConverter will. http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/index.htm keith whaley i shoot RAW most of the time. 12-bit versus 8-bit means i have more room for working with images that aren't perfect or need to be improved with some editing. i shoot JPEG only when speed is more important than quality. Herb...
RE: Cropping
-Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Ha! This is related to the comment I often get - Oh, you shoot weddings. It must be so nice to work one day a week! Tom, you told me it was just the afternoon Quiet! It's only 9:30, I'm trying to sleep. tv
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
Nah, not Brad, but The Who. - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: Re: GFM - looks like I will be there On 5/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: ~I'm~ getting married. Cotty will be the Best Man (we'll have to think of a more appropriate term to describe him, though). Suggestions please... ;-) Brad Dobo. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Plaxo
Plaxo is distributed by Verisign and is a program that becomes part of Outlook Express providing buttons on the top line for its activation. The program automatically requests updates from all addresses in your Windows address book. It's safe and secure. I haven't used it until now because I thought people might conclude it was a virus attack or some other form of mischief. But Plaxo has been around for some time and it very useful indeed. If you click on the 'update' tab you'll see that the site is a secure one. Now that I've seen the reaction of some of us I guess I was right. I just deleted the first Plaxo messages when I got them. But then, after doing a Google search, discovered what it was. But I still moved very slowly ... after getting the sixth request from my friend in Bombay. Plaxo is very useful and some, like me, find going through address books manually very tiresome especially when there are *hundreds* of addresses. Now I suppose someone will produce a Trojan or Virus that mimics Plaxo and that will be the end of that. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages The Cement Company from HELL! Updated: August 15, 2003
raw conversion (was Undersharpening)
Alle 14:32, giovedì 6 novembre 2003, Keith Whaley ha scritto: Herb Chong wrote: nothing reads Pentax RAW format except Pentax software, yet. i'm not holding my breath. I believe GraphicConverter will. http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/index.htm good news for all you linux users here: http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/ you can find a free-software generic raw converter which fits a lot of digital camera's raw format, used also in many commercial product (see web page for details). This guy have done a good work. he says it works even in MS windows and Mac, but I haven't tried it (and I'm not going to do it). I've tried the linux version, as a plug-in for the GIMP (another great piece of free software, the GNU Image Manipulation Software www.gimp.org, all of you who think photoshop is a bit expensive can download and use it, it's free (both as freedom and free-beer) and it is for linux, windows, and some other UNIX-based system), and it works very well with canon eos300d raw files. btw, how many of you use linux for graphic manipulation issues? ciao Danilo.
Re: We have met the *istD and it is ours
Hi Frits, On 06 Nov 2003 12:44:48 +0100, Frits Wthrich wrote: I just had one *ist D in my hands, a shop in Amersfoort, the Netherlands had one available. He claimed it is not sold without the 18-35mm lens, and only costs eur 2399.00 He couldn't compete with USA or German pricing, in Germany the camera is longer availablke already he stated, and hence prices have dropped more. He liked the camera a lot better then his own Canon10D. He mentioned specifically the advantage of using existing lenses. In case you had not noticed yet, Foto Konijnenberg offers the *ist-D for 'just' 1950 Euro's including the 18-35mm. I have had good service from them in the past. Seems they can't get the body-only either at the moment. The URL is: http://www.koopdigitaal.nl/ Then just click on the pentax: tab ... Regards, JvW (still resisting and waiting for the 16-45mm :-) -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
Total Lunar Eclipse Nov. 8-9 (cross-posted)
Weather permitting, on the night of November 8 in the U.S. and very early in the morning on November 9 in other parts of the world, there will a lunar eclipse that is visible over most of North America, Europe and Africa. In the U.S. the entire event will be visible to viewers on the east coast. Observers in the western part of the U.S. and Canada will see the eclipse underway when the moon rises. No part of the eclipse will be visible from easternmost Asia, Japan, Indonesia or Australia. http://www.nyip.com/tips/eclipse1103.php Maris
Re: Plaxo
Hi! What I find particularly not good about Plaxo is that it would work only with Micro$oft software that is not very reliable or secure... I for once, don't use MS mail clients, but rather something else... Boris
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
Does sound like the PDML is invading GFM in 2004 doesn't it? Looks like the 2004 NPW at GFM may be 100% pre-registered, the first time that has happened, I understand. So if anyone on the list wants to make it they should think about registering ASAP. http://grandfather.com/events/nphoto.htm -- Bill Owens wrote: Come on down! We'd love to see you there. Looks like a foreign invasion for next year's GFM NPW and we Yanks may be outnumbered. Bill - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: GFM - looks like I will be there Cotty wrote: Just when I'm ready to book a Concorde flight they go and take the bloody thing out of service. Looks like I'll have to settle for two movies instead of one. Booked on a flight for June 3rd, arriving at mystery location, bumming ride to GFM with mystery host. All will be revealed in the fullness of time. Cheers, Cotty GAwd - Cotty is going to make the scene? I may have to join the festivities :) annsan ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
Hi, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 2:24:49 PM, you wrote: It's an interesting thought, but what I perceive to be blue might actually what you perceive to be green. Imagine people around you who go thru life seeing 'blue' vegetables (though it seems perfectly normal to them *because* that's what they always known the label 'green' to refer to). And how would one actually prove any of this? I don't think it's empirically testable. If two people attach the same label to the same experience then that is all we can know, or need to know. I have no empirical evidence that other people think; you could all be automata* as far as I know, but I assume that you all do think. It's similar to the Turing** test, or these games of Chinese boxes that AI researchers enjoy so much. Cheers, Bob *as a matter of fact I happen to think exactly that, except that I include myself as an automaton. It doesn't alter the argument. **I've always believed that 'the Who' of long ago was a Turing test that some researcher was conducting. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: perfect exposure
Now, as good as HCB was, no one was (or is) better than Shel Belinkoff, late of this list His initials are SCB. Maybe that has something to do with it g. SCB = Super Cartier-Bresson LOL -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Sconti fino al 20% per i magnifici bouquet di Artefiori! Clicca qui! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=750d=6-11
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Re: OT: Zenitar Fish Eye?
For this class of lens it is quite sharp plus a lot of fun. I have enjoyed mine much. It is sharper than Pentax's F 17-28 fisheys. JOe
Re: Total Lunar Eclipse Nov. 8-9 (cross-posted)
Hi, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 3:18:52 PM, you wrote: Weather permitting, on the night of November 8 in the U.S. and very early in the morning on November 9 in other parts of the world, there will a lunar eclipse that is visible over most of North America, Europe and Africa. In the U.S. the entire event will be visible to viewers on the east coast. Observers in the western part of the U.S. and Canada will see the eclipse underway when the moon rises. No part of the eclipse will be visible from easternmost Asia, Japan, Indonesia or Australia. http://www.nyip.com/tips/eclipse1103.php Should be enjoyable. Here's some information about it from the UK perspective: http://www.nmm.ac.uk/site/request/setTemplate:singlecontent/contentTypeA/conWebDoc/contentId/10803 -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: You never know. Last time Cotty and I went together somewhere... Thankfully the surgery was successful. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Plaxo
Boris, When Outlook Express goes wrong, it goes very very wrong, but when it works its fine. So after trying half a dozen others I've come back to OE. But I am better prepared for the inevitable disasters. Plaxo is good at what it does and saves a lot of hard work. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages The Cement Company from HELL! Updated: August 15, 2003 - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Plaxo Hi! What I find particularly not good about Plaxo is that it would work only with Micro$oft software that is not very reliable or secure... I for once, don't use MS mail clients, but rather something else... Boris
Re: Comparing lenses on *ist D
I find it interesting that your m100/2.8 seems to be one of the sharpest of your longer lenses there, contrary to what some have said about that lens on this list. By the shadows, it was taken quite a bit earlier, or latter than the other shots in that group. Is there a color cast problem (gray sky, etc.) with the lens or is it just the *istD's exposure handing of the more back lit shot? -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
I think its more likely that different eye/brain sets might see the same colour very slightly shifted, one way or the other, on the spectrum. One person might see it a little redder or bluer than another. But, as we decided before, one can never really know. Its not the same as colour blindness. My guess is that normal human eyes all see the spectrum the same way and it is in the brain that differences might arise ... if they do. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages The Cement Company from HELL! Updated: August 15, 2003 - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D Hi, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 2:24:49 PM, you wrote: It's an interesting thought, but what I perceive to be blue might actually what you perceive to be green. Imagine people around you who go thru life seeing 'blue' vegetables (though it seems perfectly normal to them *because* that's what they always known the label 'green' to refer to). And how would one actually prove any of this? I don't think it's empirically testable. If two people attach the same label to the same experience then that is all we can know, or need to know. I have no empirical evidence that other people think; you could all be automata* as far as I know, but I assume that you all do think. It's similar to the Turing** test, or these games of Chinese boxes that AI researchers enjoy so much. Cheers, Bob *as a matter of fact I happen to think exactly that, except that I include myself as an automaton. It doesn't alter the argument. **I've always believed that 'the Who' of long ago was a Turing test that some researcher was conducting. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resistance is Futile
After proclaiming on the list that I would not buy a DSLR until Pentax came out with a full-frame model...my *ist D arrived yesterday. I would be chagrined if I were not feeling so enabled. Or as Ron Ziegler (Nixon's press secretary) once said during Watergate, All previous statements are inoperative. Whee, I'm an early adopter. I've rarely been one of those. The manual was clearly written in a hurry. Everyone seems to be ditching their copy editors these days. I am a bit miffed that the strap does not include pockets. There's nowhere to put the eyepiece cover. Several factors brought my change of mind. The chatter on the list and the reviews were certainly influential. Some time back Cotty e-mailed me some images that made me realize that one could get quality enlargements from an APS-sized sensor. I think the most important factor, though, was the announcement of the forthcoming DA 16-45. If not for this, my walking around kit would have had to include two zooms to cover the range I am used to (24-28 to 80-105 in 35 mm.). As a constant f4, the DA 16-45 looks like Pentax intends it to be a serious lens. It can't appear soon enough. I will again become an early adopter when it is out. I wanted a full-frame sensor so I would not have to buy new lenses. I now realize that I will have to buy some. Beyond the DA 16-45, Pentax needs soon to bring out (a) DA 50-200 f4; (b) DA 13-20 f4; and (c) fast primes at 13 and 16 mm. If they don't, Sigma will get my money, although I am very reluctant to buy a consumer zoom from Sigma. For wide-angle now I will try the F 17-28 fisheye. It is not my sharpest lens, but I have gotten sharp prints from it using digital sharpening. There are also Sigma's 12-24, 15-30, and 14 prime, all of which are serious lenses. They are expensive, though, and none of these can take front filters. I'm off to Phoenix for a meeting, then will spend at least part of the weekend with the new camera. I'm still going to call it the starkistdee or Sexist D, though, because I think the name is really, really stupid. Okay, it's not as stupid as naming a camera Rebel. Joe the enabled
Re: Cotty's November PUG Comments PART 1
It's considered impolite to point that out here in Virgina. Steve (from Massachusetts) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/03 12:31AM On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:30:41 -0500, Steve Desjardins wrote: Stonewall Jackson is actually buried in that cemetery [...] Yeah, but his arm is buried at, I think, the Spottsylvania Court House battlefield park. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: We have met the *istD and it is ours
On 6 Nov 2003, Frits [ISO-8859-1] Wüthrich wrote: USA pricing for the *ist D: $1349.99 : http://www.ccicameracity.com/brproduct.asp?ccode=pistd $1399.00: http://www.cameraunlimited.com/webstores/www/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?Store_id=101page_id=23Item_ID=2920 http://datavisioncomputer.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1236436prmenbr=2000 The problem with using search engines to look for cameras in the US is that many camera resellers are really sleazy and often use illegal tactics to advertise those low prices. Actually getting the camera at those prices can be difficult to impossible. This makes it hard to sell used cameras too -- I have a brand new in box Sony DSC-F717 that I'm selling (it is new because I got it as a warranty replacement, I'm selling it because the *ist D replaced it) and I'm offering it for about $100 less than any reputable online dealer. I've gotten two people who have complained that I'm asking too much because they can get it from places such as the above. I tell them to go ahead and see if they ever get the camera. Here are some store ratings for ccicameracity.com: http://www.resellerrating.com/seller1734.html The other two aren't listed in that site. I would avoid any US online camera store which you can't find ratings for though -- these companies often change names to avoid their bad press (and probably prosecution). alex
Re: perfect exposure
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, frank theriault wrote: Everytime I walk out of the house with a camera around my neck, I play a little game. I guess the exposure, set the camera accordingly, and then see how it meters. I'm rarely off by more than a stop; usually I'm withing 1/2 stop. I did exactly the same thing for several years in college, plus still doing it sometimes at work. I can eyeball a gym to within half a stop because I'm in gyms three nights a week for several months. And, I'm truly not saying that to brag; quite the contrary. I'm saying that if I can do it, likely anyone with a teeny bit of experience can. It ain't tough. And, it teaches you a thing or two about exposure and your camera. I know, we're not talking tough, low light exposure conditions here, but still, it's a good thing to know, like if the batteries go dead, and like me, you use a mechanical camera. It is also nice to develop a relatively accurate eye-meter so that you know when your fancy-dancy built-in meter is lying to you, either because it is not working right or because it is mishandling tricky light. This is the reason I've never used any of those multi-area intelligent metering patterns. I don't know how they are processing what they see so I don't know what to think of the meter reading. Last I looked the better multi-area meters were supported by a database of 50,000 exposure patterns. At 1000 shots a week for 15 years I've been in a lot more situations than that! DJE
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
This brings up a question I have always wanted to ask -- related to the fact that my own two eyes see colors slightly differently! It's easiest to see in skin tones, but if I close one eye and then the other, it's obvious to me that my right eye sees a slightly warmer or redder rendition than my left. It's slight, and with both eyes open I suppose I see an average or mix of the two that isn't disconcerting, but it's obvious that at least slight differences must exist among people. Maybe wide ranges of difference are normal, like television sets where the tint is all out of whack and faces look green or magenta. Has anyone tried this? It may be more noticeable in daylight or artificial light. Just a quick switch from one eye to the other and back should tell you. Joe I think its more likely that different eye/brain sets might see the same colour very slightly shifted, one way or the other, on the spectrum. One person might see it a little redder or bluer than another. But, as we decided before, one can never really know. Its not the same as colour blindness. My guess is that normal human eyes all see the spectrum the same way and it is in the brain that differences might arise ... if they do. Don Hi, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 2:24:49 PM, you wrote: It's an interesting thought, but what I perceive to be blue might actually what you perceive to be green. Imagine people around you who go thru life seeing 'blue' vegetables (though it seems perfectly normal to them *because* that's what they always known the label 'green' to refer to). And how would one actually prove any of this? I don't think it's empirically testable. If two people attach the same label to the same experience then that is all we can know, or need to know. I have no empirical evidence that other people think; you could all be automata* as far as I know, but I assume that you all do think. It's similar to the Turing** test, or these games of Chinese boxes that AI researchers enjoy so much. Cheers, Bob *as a matter of fact I happen to think exactly that, except that I include myself as an automaton. It doesn't alter the argument. **I've always believed that 'the Who' of long ago was a Turing test that some researcher was conducting.
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:24:39 + From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] (b) a place to stay - which could be the back of somebody;s van.. There's a movie in this. Cheers, Cotty Deliverance? :)
OT: Re: Colour fidelity
Revealing my ignorance here, but what exactly is a 'game of Chinese boxes'? Inquisitively, Ryan - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D Hi, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 2:24:49 PM, you wrote: It's an interesting thought, but what I perceive to be blue might actually what you perceive to be green. Imagine people around you who go thru life seeing 'blue' vegetables (though it seems perfectly normal to them *because* that's what they always known the label 'green' to refer to). And how would one actually prove any of this? I don't think it's empirically testable. If two people attach the same label to the same experience then that is all we can know, or need to know. I have no empirical evidence that other people think; you could all be automata* as far as I know, but I assume that you all do think. It's similar to the Turing** test, or these games of Chinese boxes that AI researchers enjoy so much. Cheers, Bob *as a matter of fact I happen to think exactly that, except that I include myself as an automaton. It doesn't alter the argument. **I've always believed that 'the Who' of long ago was a Turing test that some researcher was conducting. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Digital Back for 645Nii?
Well, NPC's fiber optic bundle would be one way of fitting a digital back on a non-interchangeable back camera. However, one only needs to look at the prices of NPC's Polaroid backs for 35mm cameras to see that that is not a cheap solution. Pentax could probably make a dedicated 645 digital camera body for the same premium. Also, 42x56mm sensors are not going to be down into the $3000 range soon. To my way of thinking using a 24x36mm sensor on a medium format camera is even worse than using a smaller sensor on a 35mm camera. I mean have you priced an ultra-wide-angle medium-format lens lately? I think most of the digital backs being used on Blads and Rolleis are mostly used for portraiture type work where you do not need wide-angle lenses and the film normal works as a great portrait lens. I still keep thinking that something along the lines of the strange late Rollei 2000, 2002, 3000 series 35mm cameras would be the perfect basis for a film/digital camera. For those who do not remember those, they were 35mm's with a modular design similar to the Bronica ERTSi's including interchangeable backs which would solve the main problem. -- Rob Studdert wrote: On 5 Nov 2003 at 23:50, John Francis wrote: Then there's the fact that the original article is light on details; the 3k could be street price, wholesale price, manufacturing price, or even just the cost to Pentax of the sensor. Whatever it means it's pie-in-the sky pricing, I have a recent sale brochure in front of me for the Sinarback 54s and Leaf Valeo 11 backs at AU$44,000 and AU$20,545 ex tax. See: http://www.baltronics.com.au/sinarback_prices.html Does FF mean size of a 35mm negative, or size of a 645 negative? I was referring to full frame sensors in both formats. But you can't use two-year-old prices to discuss pricing in this year's (or next year's) marketplace. Well we couldn't seem to get around it last week so if you can't beat em.. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
My Evening With Lexar
Along with the starkistdee I bought a Lexar 1 GB 40X compact card, which comes with its own USB reader. Therein lies a tale. A slip in the box says to install Image Rescue from the included cd. No cd in the box. The web site says to install the driver from the cd. Again, no driver cd. Count 1 against Lexar. I called technical support, but was told to leave a message and they would call me back. For me, call-back support is no support. I am hard to reach by telephone, and if they could reach me I would not be at my home computer. I would rather wait on line. Count 2 against Lexar. The recorded message said to try online live support. Naturally it doesn't work. Count 3 against Lexar. Rummaging online I found the driver and downloaded it. The instructions on how to do this were incomplete. Count 4 against Lexar. This morning I got an e-mail from Prasanth at Lexar. He wrote Herewith I am giving weblink from where you can download the image rescue software. Support is now in India. (I learned from BH that Image Rescue is on the card, not on a cd.) Count 5 against Lexar. Prasanth answered only one of my questions. Count 6 against Lexar. I use Windows 98SE, and have had to come up with some work-arounds to read USB drives (like the Memorex Thumbdrive). Despite all this, I got my first image from the Lexar CF into the computer last night. Even for a computer company, Lexar's performance is pretty bad. They are clearly pushing product out the door with no quality control. After dropping $300 on this card, I can only hope that their manufacturing is okay. Joe
Re:(2) Flash for: was: PZ-1 vs MZ-S
Thanks for the info Joe and Bruce(how many beer do i owe you now,Bruceg) Ok,i'll try that with the IF button.Vic touched on it when i meet up with him,but we went over quite a bit in a short time,it was probably mentioned and duly forgottong So in the normal area of shooting,say in sun or enough sun to cause a shadow on a face caused by a riding helmet or ball cap etc,the camera and flash will work together in that instance to not throw out a lot of light,as the ambient is strong,but hopefully just enough to brighten up the face shadow a tad. Is my boat in the water now. lol Dave The PZ-1 does utilize the ambient light reading along with TTL flash -- but in the situation you describe, the straight shot of a person under a tree would likely come out with too much flash on the subject, at least for most people's tastes. With the PZ-1, you can adjust flash compensation without affecting the ambient light exposure only in manual (hypermanual) mode. First, with the camera in hypermanual mode and the flash on, hit the IF button for the recommended exposure. _Then_ dial in exposure compensation, whether it's -0.5, -0.7, -1.0, -1.3, etc. or whatever amount you'd like to dial down the flash. The manual exposure graph will now show overexposure due to the compensation, but if you leave your shutter speed/f-stop settings where they were, the exposure compensation will now only affect the TTL flash output and not the ambient light exposure, which was correct. That was a main selling point for me to upgrade to the PZ-1p -- flash exposure compensation as a separate control, which means it's available in all modes and not nearly as clunky to use in changing light, etc. But I did use the method I described on my PZ-1, and it worked fine -- just remember to reset exposure compensation afterwards! Joe Ok so i read a bit of the PZ-1 manual at lunch(Bwaa haaa h,i really do use these things)and the daylight sync flash has me concered,again,sorry folks. It basically staes that in ttl auto the camera will set a speed between 250 and 60 according to ambient light.But no more details. So say i have a person under a shade tree(as i see many wedding pictures like this so i'll use as example)and its sunny out,but i want to put a bit of extra light on the subject,being in the shade.Am i to assume that if i set my 280t to ttl auto,meter the scene,the camera/flash combo will fire off just enough light to brighten the subject,but not over do it,or am i,again,missing some important details here. Any tips from the PZ-1 owners out there. Dave
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
Hell, my left eye sees colors differently (more blue) than my right eye, how could anyone think that two different people would see them the same? -- Dr E D F Williams wrote: I think its more likely that different eye/brain sets might see the same colour very slightly shifted, one way or the other, on the spectrum. One person might see it a little redder or bluer than another. But, as we decided before, one can never really know. Its not the same as colour blindness. My guess is that normal human eyes all see the spectrum the same way and it is in the brain that differences might arise ... if they do. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
The istD brotherhood needs a name!
You folks work it out. It'll be a while for me. CRB
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
I've never noticed any color difference between my eyes, and in a simple test now, also don't. One has a lot of floaters, though. If that helps. Hehehe. Marnie aka Doe
Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update
--Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I don't want to have to do a lot of post processing. I.E. Have to sharpen every image I shoot. Some I'd just like, bang, shoot, open in Elements and print. I often do that now from scanning slides. I mean, sometimes I sharpen or edit, but not always. It is pretty easy, just set the sharpening level on +1 and you get sharper images right out of the camera. regards Rüdiger
Re: My Evening With Lexar
Do keep us informed on that one... May save some of us a headache... keith whaley Joseph Tainter wrote: Along with the starkistdee I bought a Lexar 1 GB 40X compact card, which comes with its own USB reader. Therein lies a tale. A slip in the box says to install Image Rescue from the included cd. No cd in the box. The web site says to install the driver from the cd. Again, no driver cd. Count 1 against Lexar. I called technical support, but was told to leave a message and they would call me back. For me, call-back support is no support. I am hard to reach by telephone, and if they could reach me I would not be at my home computer. I would rather wait on line. Count 2 against Lexar. The recorded message said to try online live support. Naturally it doesn't work. Count 3 against Lexar. Rummaging online I found the driver and downloaded it. The instructions on how to do this were incomplete. Count 4 against Lexar. This morning I got an e-mail from Prasanth at Lexar. He wrote Herewith I am giving weblink from where you can download the image rescue software. Support is now in India. (I learned from BH that Image Rescue is on the card, not on a cd.) Count 5 against Lexar. Prasanth answered only one of my questions. Count 6 against Lexar. I use Windows 98SE, and have had to come up with some work-arounds to read USB drives (like the Memorex Thumbdrive). Despite all this, I got my first image from the Lexar CF into the computer last night. Even for a computer company, Lexar's performance is pretty bad. They are clearly pushing product out the door with no quality control. After dropping $300 on this card, I can only hope that their manufacturing is okay. Joe
Re: Plaxo
Plaxo is distributed by Verisign . . . It's safe and secure. There are those who would feel that those two statements are mutually self-contradictory. Given the recent furore about their (mis-)management of top-level domain registries, giving Verisign any sort of handle to your address book could be seen as an invitation to abuse.
Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update
With the camera set a +1 sharpness, I've been quite pleased without further sharpening. I import via PIM, crop to whatever size I'm printing, and print on an Epson 925 using the custom option of no color adjustment. Prints come out very good with colors exactly the way the camera recorded them. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update Do all *ist D users have access to NASA labs? That's fine! Dario You know I've been reading reviews of the 10D (and the *istD). Well, mainly studying the reviews at dpreview more. I hadn't really looked in depth yet. And complaints about the 10D images are the same. Too soft. Have to sharpen. I guess I am coming late into this, since I haven't been paying THAT much attention. (Since my DSLR purchase date is still off in the future.) So, sort of ignorant here. (Well, actually that's fairly common for me re photography, no matter the arena. :-)) But I don't want to have to do a lot of post processing. I.E. Have to sharpen every image I shoot. Some I'd just like, bang, shoot, open in Elements and print. I often do that now from scanning slides. I mean, sometimes I sharpen or edit, but not always. I don't know what the solution is, frankly. Maybe better sensors. Maybe better software. Don't know. But I hope that something evolves so people don't have to post process every image. Otherwise, well, might as well take all digital images to a lab -- or spend hours and hours doing it one's self, which sort of negates some of the gain of a DSLR. At least for me. Marnie aka Doe Awaiting developments/evolution.
RE: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update
You have a choice then: Buy a Foveon DSLR or set sharpening to +1 in camera. Another way would be to use IRFanView, set up a batch processing configuration which does whatever resizing you want for your 'thoughtless' printing and applies a standard USM at the same time. Then you would have absolutely zero processing to do in photoshop. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 November 2003 17:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update Do all *ist D users have access to NASA labs? That's fine! Dario You know I've been reading reviews of the 10D (and the *istD). Well, mainly studying the reviews at dpreview more. I hadn't really looked in depth yet. And complaints about the 10D images are the same. Too soft. Have to sharpen. I guess I am coming late into this, since I haven't been paying THAT much attention. (Since my DSLR purchase date is still off in the future.) So, sort of ignorant here. (Well, actually that's fairly common for me re photography, no matter the arena. :-)) But I don't want to have to do a lot of post processing. I.E. Have to sharpen every image I shoot. Some I'd just like, bang, shoot, open in Elements and print. I often do that now from scanning slides. I mean, sometimes I sharpen or edit, but not always. I don't know what the solution is, frankly. Maybe better sensors. Maybe better software. Don't know. But I hope that something evolves so people don't have to post process every image. Otherwise, well, might as well take all digital images to a lab -- or spend hours and hours doing it one's self, which sort of negates some of the gain of a DSLR. At least for me. Marnie aka Doe Awaiting developments/evolution.
Re: Resistance is Futile
I still think it should be called, D'gang. -- Robert Gonzalez wrote: Congrats Joe! You've joined the *hood. :) I just coined the term since there is already a Brotherhood (6x7), and a Little Brotherhood (LX). Have fun. Cheers, rg Joseph Tainter wrote: After proclaiming on the list that I would not buy a DSLR until Pentax came out with a full-frame model...my *ist D arrived yesterday. I would be chagrined if I were not feeling so enabled. Or as Ron Ziegler (Nixon's press secretary) once said during Watergate, All previous statements are inoperative. Whee, I'm an early adopter. I've rarely been one of those. The manual was clearly written in a hurry. Everyone seems to be ditching their copy editors these days. I am a bit miffed that the strap does not include pockets. There's nowhere to put the eyepiece cover. Several factors brought my change of mind. The chatter on the list and the reviews were certainly influential. Some time back Cotty e-mailed me some images that made me realize that one could get quality enlargements from an APS-sized sensor. I think the most important factor, though, was the announcement of the forthcoming DA 16-45. If not for this, my walking around kit would have had to include two zooms to cover the range I am used to (24-28 to 80-105 in 35 mm.). As a constant f4, the DA 16-45 looks like Pentax intends it to be a serious lens. It can't appear soon enough. I will again become an early adopter when it is out. I wanted a full-frame sensor so I would not have to buy new lenses. I now realize that I will have to buy some. Beyond the DA 16-45, Pentax needs soon to bring out (a) DA 50-200 f4; (b) DA 13-20 f4; and (c) fast primes at 13 and 16 mm. If they don't, Sigma will get my money, although I am very reluctant to buy a consumer zoom from Sigma. For wide-angle now I will try the F 17-28 fisheye. It is not my sharpest lens, but I have gotten sharp prints from it using digital sharpening. There are also Sigma's 12-24, 15-30, and 14 prime, all of which are serious lenses. They are expensive, though, and none of these can take front filters. I'm off to Phoenix for a meeting, then will spend at least part of the weekend with the new camera. I'm still going to call it the starkistdee or Sexist D, though, because I think the name is really, really stupid. Okay, it's not as stupid as naming a camera Rebel. Joe the enabled -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
No perceptible color changes, but a faint (thin) cataract on the left cornea acts much like one of my old Takumars... Slightly yellow. Normally, it's not noticeable. Not with both eyes open. With just the left eye open, I can't _see_ the color bias, but my vision is much less sharp. Hardly unusual... g keith whaley graywolf wrote: It might be a function of depth perception, like 3D glasses. My right eye seems to be color dominant. If I look at something and cover my left eye the color does not change. If I cover my right eye the color gets bluer. You are astute to have nowiced that, Joe. I asked an opthalmoligist about it once, and he didn't know a thing about it. I first noticed it myself years ago when adjusting my binoculars. How about a few others on the list checking it out and letting us know if it works that way with everyone, or are some of us different? -- Joe Wilensky wrote: This brings up a question I have always wanted to ask -- related to the fact that my own two eyes see colors slightly differently! It's easiest to see in skin tones, but if I close one eye and then the other, it's obvious to me that my right eye sees a slightly warmer or redder rendition than my left. It's slight, and with both eyes open I suppose I see an average or mix of the two that isn't disconcerting, but it's obvious that at least slight differences must exist among people. Maybe wide ranges of difference are normal, like television sets where the tint is all out of whack and faces look green or magenta. Has anyone tried this? It may be more noticeable in daylight or artificial light. Just a quick switch from one eye to the other and back should tell you. Joe I think its more likely that different eye/brain sets might see the same colour very slightly shifted, one way or the other, on the spectrum. One person might see it a little redder or bluer than another. But, as we decided before, one can never really know. Its not the same as colour blindness. My guess is that normal human eyes all see the spectrum the same way and it is in the brain that differences might arise ... if they do. Don Hi, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 2:24:49 PM, you wrote: It's an interesting thought, but what I perceive to be blue might actually what you perceive to be green. Imagine people around you who go thru life seeing 'blue' vegetables (though it seems perfectly normal to them *because* that's what they always known the label 'green' to refer to). And how would one actually prove any of this? I don't think it's empirically testable. If two people attach the same label to the same experience then that is all we can know, or need to know. I have no empirical evidence that other people think; you could all be automata* as far as I know, but I assume that you all do think. It's similar to the Turing** test, or these games of Chinese boxes that AI researchers enjoy so much. Cheers, Bob *as a matter of fact I happen to think exactly that, except that I include myself as an automaton. It doesn't alter the argument. **I've always believed that 'the Who' of long ago was a Turing test that some researcher was conducting. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do all *ist D users have access to NASA labs? That's fine! Dario You know I've been reading reviews of the 10D (and the *istD). Well, mainly studying the reviews at dpreview more. I hadn't really looked in depth yet. And complaints about the 10D images are the same. Too soft. Have to sharpen. I guess I am coming late into this, since I haven't been paying THAT much attention. (Since my DSLR purchase date is still off in the future.) So, sort of ignorant here. (Well, actually that's fairly common for me re photography, no matter the arena. :-)) But I don't want to have to do a lot of post processing. I.E. Have to sharpen every image I shoot. Some I'd just like, bang, shoot, open in Elements and print. I often do that now from scanning slides. I mean, sometimes I sharpen or edit, but not always. I bet you would be happy doing the same thing with the *ist D. Scanned slides usually can benefit from a little sharpening too. This is easy to try, just download a full size *ist D file from somewhere (they are all over the net by now) and print one and see what you think. I think that people are more critical of CCD sharpness than film sharpness just because it is so trivial to look at a digital picture at 1:1 ratio. Many people never looked at their slides or negatives through a loupe, and even if they did it isn't as easy to see the grain as it would be digitally. alex
Re: MX Shutter Release Problem
It probably needs a CLA. Has it been done recently? If so, the problem is elsewhere. Andre --
Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update
With the camera set a +1 sharpness, I've been quite pleased without further sharpening. I import via PIM, crop to whatever size I'm printing, and print on an Epson 925 using the custom option of no color adjustment. Prints come out very good with colors exactly the way the camera recorded them. Bill That's very good to know thanks! (Got same printer, in fact.) Marnie aka Doe :-)
Re: We have met the *istD and it is ours
I hadn't really realized how much legitimate (or maybe illegitimate) scamming goes on. Especially on high ticket items like camera equipment. What you described is clearly illegitimate scamming. But yes, it is rife; just check out the feedback about the lowball advertisers in any photo magazine. Don't let the seal of approval from the rag fool you - that's for sale to anyone who buys enough advertisng. Legitimate scamming (if such a thing exists :-) would be folks like BH, Adorama, CameraWorld, ... charging amazingly similar prices to the early-adopters. Now the camera is more readily available, so I would expect the profits to be trimmed before too long. Bait-and-switch, or unadvertised pre-conditions, are illegal. Dealer markup isn't - it's just the price of impatience. Nobody forced me to buy my *ist-D a month ago, just like nobody forced me to buy our Mini from the dealership with a three-month waitlist instead of from a dealer with a twelve-month delivery forecast.
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
chris posted: On the subject of weird eyes, a friend of mine can tell which eye she is looking out of. I'm not sure if they're spaced further apart than normal, or if she just has trouble focusing them properly, but she says that she sees things from two slightly different perspectives... almost like looking through binoculars that aren't lined up precisely. She can't find those hidden 3D images to save her life. It's called monocular vision, and a few years ago I would have gone ballistic seeing this described as weird. (But I've grown up a lot since; developed a thicker skin, I guess.) It's the way I've viewed the world for the better part of four decades now.
Re: Resistance is Futile
Joseph Tainter wrote: I'm still going to call it the starkistdee ... Wouldn't Charlie be easier?
December PUG Theme
Gone from the schedule page ( http://pug.komkon.org/general/themes.html ), what is it? Regards, Ziggy
Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update
The problem with in-camera sharpening, Marie, is that for best quality you need to use different sharpening depending upon the final size of the image. Now on low-end cameras the designers can pretty much set that for 4x6 prints. But where should they set it on high-end cameras where the user may want 4x6 prints, or 8x12 prints, or 24x36 inch prints? And of course that same user probably will want all those sizes at different times. Pentax's solution is to use minimal in camera sharpening and let the user sharpen more if needed. That is to my way of thinking a pretty good idea. Some of the after-market sharpening plug-ins for Photo Shop like Nic Sharpener give you a pretty good effect by you just selecting the final print size. Careful custom sharpening is even better, but takes a certain amount of expertise. One size fits all is not even a remote possibility. Now think of this as you try to evaluate the sharpness of a lens from a test off of someones website. He set the sharpening for a image on a 15 inch monitor and you are looking at it on a 21 inch monitor, or vis versa (Diabolical grin). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do all *ist D users have access to NASA labs? That's fine! Dario You know I've been reading reviews of the 10D (and the *istD). Well, mainly studying the reviews at dpreview more. I hadn't really looked in depth yet. And complaints about the 10D images are the same. Too soft. Have to sharpen. I guess I am coming late into this, since I haven't been paying THAT much attention. (Since my DSLR purchase date is still off in the future.) So, sort of ignorant here. (Well, actually that's fairly common for me re photography, no matter the arena. :-)) But I don't want to have to do a lot of post processing. I.E. Have to sharpen every image I shoot. Some I'd just like, bang, shoot, open in Elements and print. I often do that now from scanning slides. I mean, sometimes I sharpen or edit, but not always. I don't know what the solution is, frankly. Maybe better sensors. Maybe better software. Don't know. But I hope that something evolves so people don't have to post process every image. Otherwise, well, might as well take all digital images to a lab -- or spend hours and hours doing it one's self, which sort of negates some of the gain of a DSLR. At least for me. Marnie aka Doe Awaiting developments/evolution. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
It's an interesting thought, but what I perceive to be blue might actually what you perceive to be green. Imagine people around you who go thru life seeing 'blue' vegetables (though it seems perfectly normal to them *because* that's what they always known the label 'green' to refer to). And how would one actually prove any of this? Curiously, Ryan From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do we all see the same colours? Two people look at a coloured object; both agree that it's yellow-green. But do they actually perceive identically? This is starting to sound a bit like the philosophical debate of naive realism versus representationalism Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: Pentax *ist D vs. Fujifilm S2 Pro: final update
This is easy to try, just download a full size *ist D file from somewhere (they are all over the net by now) and print one and see what you think. alex Good idea! Marnie aka Doe
Re: MX Shutter Release Problem
Most likely either dirt, or a slightly bent linkage in the camera. Any decent repair shop ought to be able to fix it easily. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just took an MX out for some exercise and the shutter relase jammed and became sticky :-(( Any suggestions on what I might check to fix the problem. When it jammed, I just whacked the camera against the palm of my hand, and it freed things up only to get sluggish, sticky, and jam again later. I keep whacking it, it works a time or two, and then it's time to smack it again. This pummeling can't be very good for the camera ;-)) All thoughts and suggestions appreciated. Kind regards, Tyrone -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Metti il turbo alla tua casella di posta: 100 MB per inviare e ricevere tutto quello che vuoi. Clicca qui Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=1624d=6-11 -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Nah, not Brad, but The Who. The what? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Resistance is Futile
I still think it should be called, D'gang. Full-starr'd knights? (with apologies to Walt Whitman)
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: (b) a place to stay - which could be the back of somebody;s van.. There's a movie in this. Cheers, Cotty Deliverance? Silence of the Lambs. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Resistance is Futile
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: After proclaiming on the list that I would not buy a DSLR until Pentax came out with a full-frame model...my *ist D arrived yesterday. [snip] Way to go Joe! Give us an update after the weekend mate. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
More on RAW
Some of you who are dabbling in digital imaging may already be familiar with Hamrick Software's excellent VueScan flatbed and negative/slide scanner software (www.hamrick.com). VueScan also supports the RAW formats of quite a few DSLRs. I've been in contact with Ed Hamrick, and have confirmed that he employs the earlier-described RAW library from Dave Coffin. Sooner or later, Ed plans to roll in the latest iteration of that library, thereby securing *ist D support. Emails to Ed expressing your interest may speed the process along. I've also been in communication with Cerious Software, developer of the equally excellent ThumbsPlus program (www.cerious.com). I've used ThumbsPlus ever since I learned, many years ago, that it supported the RAW format of my now-retired Kodak DC120 digital rangefinder camera. Adding *ist D RAW support is on their list of features, currently low on the list though, and they're awaiting feedback before they bump up its priority. Finally, I've emailed Lemke Software inquiring as to their *ist D RAW support plans for Graphic Converter. Will report back to the list if/when I hear anything back from them == Brian Dipert Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Memory, Multimedia, PC Core Logic and Peripherals, and Programmable Logic EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com 5000 V Street Sacramento, CA 95817 (916) 454-5242 (voice), (617) 558-4470 (fax) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com
Re: Resistance is Futile
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I'm still going to call it the starkistdee or Sexist D, though, because I think the name is really, really stupid. Okay, it's not as stupid as naming a camera Rebel. I think this is totally in keeping with the ethos behind naming the camera the *ist D. You are doing exactly what Pentax wanted, and personalising it. I think one or two others are doing this also and you are to be congratulated for persevering. Not that I have one, but hypothetically, if I did, as it were, I think I would refer to it as a Majist D. As in 'is this your Majist D'? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: December PUG Theme
Clouds. zoomshot wrote: Gone from the schedule page ( http://pug.komkon.org/general/themes.html ), what is it?
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Hell, my left eye sees colors differently (more blue) than my right eye, how could anyone think that two different people would see them the same? Hey Tom, if you went to one of those retro 3-D movies of the Blob or whatever, you wouldn't need the cardboard glasses :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Resistance is Futile
Or along graywolf's lines: D'Hood, like I'm from D'Hood John Francis wrote: I still think it should be called, D'gang. Full-starr'd knights? (with apologies to Walt Whitman)
Teleconverter suggestions
I have a Pentax ZX-5N. Any suggestions (or links to reviews) for a decent teleconverter, price range preferably $100 or less? Maris
Re: raw conversion (was Undersharpening)
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, danilo wrote: btw, how many of you use linux for graphic manipulation issues? ciao Danilo. I only seem to use Linux or OpenBSD these days... I use the Gimp (www.gimp.org) for image manipulation, and X-Sane to do my scanning. I also use imagemagick (www.imagemagick.com) to batch resize my images. - Chris -- Chris Murray /\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN http://apeman.org/ XAGAINST HTML MAIL Cell: 604.861.8307 / \/ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I've never noticed any color difference between my eyes, and in a simple test now, also don't. One has a lot of floaters, though. If that helps. ROTFL. Marnie, you kill me. Sorry folks. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Spotmatic? II or F?
Okay, this is kind of weird, but instead of getting a MX to stay hanging around this list (being a semi-Canon defector), I've been thinking about a Spotmatic. Screwmount lenses also will fit on my Elan 7e, so not so weird as all that. A Zenitar fisheye would work on both. And I already have the Super Tak 35mm 3.5. So screwmount lenses are starting to appeal to me more and more. Then it occurred to me, I've been thinking of an all manual camera anyway, so why not a Pentax all manual screwmount instead of the all manual MX? Spotmatics also go fairly cheaply on ebay. But there are different versions. Right off the bat, I notice a II and a F. Which would be the best to get? Or is there another version that would be even better? Marnie aka Doe Boy, when/if I got digital I would have OLD and NEW. That would be ironic. Not positive I want to do this yet, but it sort of makes sense. Input welcome.
An old friend gives way gracefully.
{Sigh!} It had to happen, I'm just surprised it lasted as long as it did,
for my massive outlay of £12 back in the mid 70s. But my tripod demised
today. One leg gave way and the LX on top fell gently sideways into my
jacket pocket!
Anyway, my needs for a tripod have changed since last time I was thinking
about buying one; just that now I have more motivation and more needs. Can
anyone point me in the right direction for a tripod which is:
. Suitable for 35mm and MF,
. Can stand in mud or water (obviously cleaned afterwards!),
. Available second hand,
. Various extras to allow it to be used in different ways - for example in
holding the camera pointing down onto a table directly below (I have lots of
use for this)
. Weight - low importance, durability high,
. Construction - ? Recommendations please,
. Price - going to be more than £12 isn't it!
Malcolm
Re: raw conversion (was Undersharpening)
- Original Message - From: danilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] btw, how many of you use linux for graphic manipulation issues? ciao Danilo. I use the Gimp on Linux or Photoshop on Windows depending on my mood and where I am. Christian
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Nah, not Brad, but The Who. The what? I don't know
Re: Spotmatic? II or F?
Response at the end: Okay, this is kind of weird, but instead of getting a MX to stay hanging around this list (being a semi-Canon defector), I've been thinking about a Spotmatic. Screwmount lenses also will fit on my Elan 7e, so not so weird as all that. A Zenitar fisheye would work on both. And I already have the Super Tak 35mm 3.5. So screwmount lenses are starting to appeal to me more and more. Then it occurred to me, I've been thinking of an all manual camera anyway, so why not a Pentax all manual screwmount instead of the all manual MX? Spotmatics also go fairly cheaply on ebay. But there are different versions. Right off the bat, I notice a II and a F. Which would be the best to get? Or is there another version that would be even better? Marnie aka Doe Boy, when/if I got digital I would have OLD and NEW. That would be ironic. Not positive I want to do this yet, but it sort of makes sense. Input welcome. Girlfren', you're going to buy an LX eventually. We all do. Might as well just save all the intermediate heartache and get it now. ERNR ;-)
RE: GFM - looks like I will be there
-Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Nah, not Brad, but The Who. The what? I don't know Huh? tv
Re: Spotmatic? II or F?
I would get the II. The F allows open aperture metering only if you use SMC Takumar lenses. The meter on the F always is on. You turn it off using the lens cap. You can use older Super Takumars and SMC Takumars on the II. Metering is stop down. Of course, there are lots of other M42 mount lenses out there besides Pentax. Good Luck. Jim A. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:45:12 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spotmatic? II or F? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:45:37 -0500 Okay, this is kind of weird, but instead of getting a MX to stay hanging around this list (being a semi-Canon defector), I've been thinking about a Spotmatic. Screwmount lenses also will fit on my Elan 7e, so not so weird as all that. A Zenitar fisheye would work on both. And I already have the Super Tak 35mm 3.5. So screwmount lenses are starting to appeal to me more and more. Then it occurred to me, I've been thinking of an all manual camera anyway, so why not a Pentax all manual screwmount instead of the all manual MX? Spotmatics also go fairly cheaply on ebay. But there are different versions. Right off the bat, I notice a II and a F. Which would be the best to get? Or is there another version that would be even better? Marnie aka Doe Boy, when/if I got digital I would have OLD and NEW. That would be ironic. Not positive I want to do this yet, but it sort of makes sense. Input welcome.
Re: Spotmatic? II or F?
http://212.187.14.19/spotmatic/cameras.htm This is a site its all m42 mount stuff. Also PPRO site at www.whitemetal.com has a list of many m42 cameras I have the SP 500 and a Spotmatic 1000 and 5-6 lenses.They are great cameras. Dave Okay, this is kind of weird, but instead of getting a MX to stay hanging around this list (being a semi-Canon defector), I've been thinking about a Spotmatic. Screwmount lenses also will fit on my Elan 7e, so not so weird as all that. A Zenitar fisheye would work on both. And I already have the Super Tak 35mm 3.5. So screwmount lenses are starting to appeal to me more and more. Then it occurred to me, I've been thinking of an all manual camera anyway, so why not a Pentax all manual screwmount instead of the all manual MX? Spotmatics also go fairly cheaply on ebay. But there are different versions. Right off the bat, I notice a II and a F. Which would be the best to get? Or is there another version that would be even better? Marnie aka Doe Boy, when/if I got digital I would have OLD and NEW. That would be ironic. Not positive I want to do this yet, but it sort of makes sense. Input welcome.
Re: Spotmatic? II or F?
Spotmatics also go fairly cheaply on ebay. But there are different versions. Right off the bat, I notice a II and a F. Which would be the best to get? Or is there another version that would be even better? I'd go with the Spotmatic F - it's the successor to the Spotmatic II, and the camera that introduced full-aperture metering to the Pentax lineup.
AW: Digital Back for 645Nii?
Rollei even developed and presented a prototype back for the 3003 in 1987, with 350.000 pixels. But then, before digital technology really took off, they had to discontinue the camera. Rollei was either too late or too early most of the times. Sven -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. November 2003 17:24 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: Digital Back for 645Nii? ... I still keep thinking that something along the lines of the strange late Rollei 2000, 2002, 3000 series 35mm cameras would be the perfect basis for a film/digital camera. For those who do not remember those, they were 35mm's with a modular design similar to the Bronica ERTSi's including interchangeable backs which would solve the main problem. -- ...
Re: More on RAW
Vuescan: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I just send him an email with the request. On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 19:31, Brian Dipert wrote: Some of you who are dabbling in digital imaging may already be familiar with Hamrick Software's excellent VueScan flatbed and negative/slide scanner software (www.hamrick.com). VueScan also supports the RAW formats of quite a few DSLRs. I've been in contact with Ed Hamrick, and have confirmed that he employs the earlier-described RAW library from Dave Coffin. Sooner or later, Ed plans to roll in the latest iteration of that library, thereby securing *ist D support. Emails to Ed expressing your interest may speed the process along. I've also been in communication with Cerious Software, developer of the equally excellent ThumbsPlus program (www.cerious.com). I've used ThumbsPlus ever since I learned, many years ago, that it supported the RAW format of my now-retired Kodak DC120 digital rangefinder camera. Adding *ist D RAW support is on their list of features, currently low on the list though, and they're awaiting feedback before they bump up its priority. Finally, I've emailed Lemke Software inquiring as to their *ist D RAW support plans for Graphic Converter. Will report back to the list if/when I hear anything back from them == Brian Dipert Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Memory, Multimedia, PC Core Logic and Peripherals, and Programmable Logic EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com 5000 V Street Sacramento, CA 95817 (916) 454-5242 (voice), (617) 558-4470 (fax) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Colour fidelity low-light AF of *ist-D
I remember noticing this maybe 15 years ago. I just thought that I was getting old, or that one eye was irritated. Apparently everyone has a dominant eye, mine is my left eye, and it appears cooler than my right eye, which does seem to have a noticeable warmer tint to it. rg graywolf wrote: It might be a function of depth perception, like 3D glasses. My right eye seems to be color dominant. If I look at something and cover my left eye the color does not change. If I cover my right eye the color gets bluer. You are astute to have nowiced that, Joe. I asked an opthalmoligist about it once, and he didn't know a thing about it. I first noticed it myself years ago when adjusting my binoculars. How about a few others on the list checking it out and letting us know if it works that way with everyone, or are some of us different? -- Joe Wilensky wrote: This brings up a question I have always wanted to ask -- related to the fact that my own two eyes see colors slightly differently! It's easiest to see in skin tones, but if I close one eye and then the other, it's obvious to me that my right eye sees a slightly warmer or redder rendition than my left. It's slight, and with both eyes open I suppose I see an average or mix of the two that isn't disconcerting, but it's obvious that at least slight differences must exist among people. Maybe wide ranges of difference are normal, like television sets where the tint is all out of whack and faces look green or magenta. Has anyone tried this? It may be more noticeable in daylight or artificial light. Just a quick switch from one eye to the other and back should tell you. Joe I think its more likely that different eye/brain sets might see the same colour very slightly shifted, one way or the other, on the spectrum. One person might see it a little redder or bluer than another. But, as we decided before, one can never really know. Its not the same as colour blindness. My guess is that normal human eyes all see the spectrum the same way and it is in the brain that differences might arise ... if they do. Don Hi, Thursday, November 6, 2003, 2:24:49 PM, you wrote: It's an interesting thought, but what I perceive to be blue might actually what you perceive to be green. Imagine people around you who go thru life seeing 'blue' vegetables (though it seems perfectly normal to them *because* that's what they always known the label 'green' to refer to). And how would one actually prove any of this? I don't think it's empirically testable. If two people attach the same label to the same experience then that is all we can know, or need to know. I have no empirical evidence that other people think; you could all be automata* as far as I know, but I assume that you all do think. It's similar to the Turing** test, or these games of Chinese boxes that AI researchers enjoy so much. Cheers, Bob *as a matter of fact I happen to think exactly that, except that I include myself as an automaton. It doesn't alter the argument. **I've always believed that 'the Who' of long ago was a Turing test that some researcher was conducting.
Re: GFM - looks like I will be there
Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah, not Brad, but The Who. How 'bout Mafud? ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: The istD brotherhood needs a name!
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: You folks work it out. It'll be a while for me. The pixies.
Re: Spotmatic? II or F?
Gray wolf wrote: Of course since the MX was designed to my specs I would be a churl to switch. ? You big honcho? Re input -- Probably the F, then. IIRC, the meter on the K-1000 was always on. The lens cap turned it off. So I'm used to that. Also, thanks, Dave. Marnie aka Doe
Resistance
I knew when my lab moved two doors down from my local photo store (Nikon/Pentax - where I got my 67 from) that I would be in trouble. I just got back from dropping off some enlargements at the lab and had to stop in the store. Obviously, my main reason to look was to see if the *ist D was in - it was! So I had to play with it a bit and surprise - their price is quite reasonable - 1490 body only, grip $199. All in stock. After working with my 67's for awhile, it sure seems small. Not sure if the grip improved handling for me or not. I would probably not start with the grip and see how it went. Handling, fit/finish were all very nice. Since I used PZ-1p's for quite a while, it was very easy to work with. Viewfinder was nice - reasonable size and brightness. It is a camera that I would consider buying. Almost walked out with one. Must RESIST!! So can anyone tell me how my 67 lenses with adapter will do on the *ist D. Since they are designed for stop-down control on the lens themselves, seems that they would work fine in non-program modes. One wonders what the image quality would be like - certainly something to consider Must RESIST -- Bruce
re: PUG
Thanks Tom, glad you liked it. Regards Albano Tom wrote: Jeez guys, nice job. In particular - Bug by A Stationary Moment. by Mike Second Honeymoon - Amita Ewelina and Pawel by Maciej - I don't know if you were trying or not, but this shot has a great combination of modern and classic elements. There are some things a purist would condemn, but it's nevertheless a great shot. Weird Portrait of Juan Pablo - Albano Grass Trees - Derby -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.bigdayphoto.com 301-758-3085 = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
