Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread John Sessoms

Har!

The very first thing I learned about PDML ... before PESOs  GESOs; 
before cormorants; before pun threads, H2G2  Monty Python quotes; 
before dark-side lens buggery  Cotty's hat; before the PUG  
Grandfather Mountain ...


The very first thing I learned about PDML was (and I quote), Marnie, 
clean out your inbox


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From: Eactivist

I guess I should add, even after a massive  deleting when I came back, my
count is now at 4894.

Marnie  ;-)   AOL objects when it gets up to 5,000. So it really objected
when  it was near 10,000.

In a message dated 4/20/2013 5:29:39 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
eactiv...@aol.com writes:
That's what the delete key is for.

When  I come back after being away for a while, I shut my eyes to  ignore
threads I  really MIGHT want to read someday (which never  comes), and just
delete  everything except the two months prior to my  return.

Be brave, you can do  it.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)   It's not like I don't have tons of  reading material
at  home I save to read someday.

In a message dated  4/20/2013 5:21:40  P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rwomer1...@yahoo.com  writes:
After a  week on the inpatient service followed by a week away at a
meeting
and  a very busy week catching up, the unread message counter on my Yahoo
account said 999+.

Now, after an hour of going through messages,  it  says 926.

Sigh.

Rick



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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013, Alan C wrote:

 Proves a point. This is probably the busiest list in the world!

Not hardly.  Take a look at the Python list, for example:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/
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Re: Well, at least I'm allowed to leave the house now

2013-04-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Darren Addy

There are some funny people on Twitter. After he was captured one guy tweeted:
Tip: if your escape plan involves a boat it should also include water.


I don't know if they ever got as far as having an escape plan. Looks
to me like they never even considered the possibility they might get
caught.

The news reports were saying the younger one went back to school on
Tuesday  Wednesday and even offered to give one of his friends a ride
home on Friday afternoon. Doesn't seem like they thought of trying to
run for it until hours after FBI released the video clip of the two
suspects.

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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread mike wilson

On 20/04/2013 20:05, Larry Colen wrote:

On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 05:04:32AM -0600, Bill wrote:

On 20/04/2013 12:52 AM, David Savage wrote:

You don't have to photograph everything.



That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the heron now.


I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but, sadly

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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Alastair Robertson
don't get a americano - it'll be one shot with half a litre of
scalding hot water on top.  Better to ask for two double espressos
plus one cup 1/4 filled with hot water and another with steamed milk.
Then pour the espressos carefully into each cup- it will be a little
bit like a long black and a flat white.  Or you could print this out
http://primocaffe.com.au/preparation  and take it with you to show to
the barista!

As David says - good luck

Alastair

On 21 April 2013 11:43, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 G'day all

 On my forthcoming trip to the USA I'm just going to *have* to find good
 coffee.

 In Australia, when my wife and I go to a coffee shop, I order a 'long black'
 and she has a 'flat white'.  I'm fairly sure that I would get odd (possibly
 even unfriendly) looks if I ask for these in the US.

 Does anyone know the US equivalents?


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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 07:41:30AM +0200, mike wilson wrote:
 On 20/04/2013 20:05, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 05:04:32AM -0600, Bill wrote:
 On 20/04/2013 12:52 AM, David Savage wrote:
 You don't have to photograph everything.
 
 
 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the heron 
 now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but, sadly

You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.


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Re: Boston PDML'ers please check in

2013-04-21 Thread Bob W
On 21 Apr 2013, at 02:23, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 Me too (re freedoms). BUT there are kinds of  different political opinions 
 on this list. Some will agree, some  won't.
 
 We also have a kind of gentleman's agreement (including  gentlewomen) to 
 stay off political and religious topics. We've had some flame  wars in the 
 past. Or what passes for flame wars on PDML (which, frankly, pale  besides 
 real flame wars.)

We used to have real flame wars, before your time, so we held an extraordinary 
full plenary session of the PDML at Ulan Bator '76 to which all the usual flame 
warriors were invited and, in the name of tolerance, we burnt them at the stake.

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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell

 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the
heron now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but, sadly

You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.

And stop being a tit.


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Re: OT: Microwave popcorn

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 20/4/13, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

Someone suggested this to me. I tried it  it seems to work.

When you pop microwave popcorn the bag puffs up  the seam just barely 
opens to vent steam.

After it finishes popping, turn the bag so the seam is down  shake it 
vigorously for a few seconds. Any un-popped kernels fall out through the 
opening, but all the popped kernels stay in the bag.

When you open the bag there's nothing left in there but popped kernels.

Kool hunh?

Maybe I'm easily impressed, but I thought I'd share.

Favourite in this household for a few years. But salted vs butter!!
Salted all the way!!!

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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 20/4/13, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

Mines at 9453. You can't read them all.

Like looking at light from the stars, Paul is catching up with the PDML.
He's currently reading messages from 1862.

;-)

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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread Bob W


On 21 Apr 2013, at 10:45, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 On 20/4/13, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Mines at 9453. You can't read them all.
 
 Like looking at light from the stars, Paul is catching up with the PDML.
 He's currently reading messages from 1862.
 
 ;-)

Why, oh why are Pentax still making their cameras in Norwegian spruce rather 
than mahogany from the colonies, like Nikon and Canon? When are they going to 
learn that brass is the metal of the future?

I'm seriously thinking of switching to a Dallmeyer Pentac - I've always wanted 
a leather-covered body with a rising front.

B
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Re: OT: Microwave popcorn

2013-04-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013, Steve Cottrell wrote:
 On 20/4/13, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

When you pop microwave popcorn the bag puffs up  the seam just barely 
opens to vent steam.

After it finishes popping, turn the bag so the seam is down  shake it 
vigorously for a few seconds. Any un-popped kernels fall out through the 
opening, but all the popped kernels stay in the bag.
 
 Favourite in this household for a few years. But salted vs butter!!
 Salted all the way!!!

vs  Does it have to be either/or?
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RE: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Gerrit Visser
If it is a decent place, i.e.. not Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts et al, then
ask for a longo (the o is pronounced as a u). Essentially it is an double
espresso but they keep it pumping longer. This is how they make regular
coffee in NL and it is great. Not watered down like an Americano.

Latte is similar to flat white (we drink those when in NZ) or kafe leche in
Spain.

Just realize that you need to find an espresso bar, Starbucks isn't it as
described below.

Gerrit
having his first cappuccino of the day, Illy.

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Alastair Robertson
Sent: April 21, 2013 3:48 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

don't get a americano - it'll be one shot with half a litre of scalding hot
water on top.  Better to ask for two double espressos plus one cup 1/4
filled with hot water and another with steamed milk.
Then pour the espressos carefully into each cup- it will be a little bit
like a long black and a flat white.  Or you could print this out
http://primocaffe.com.au/preparation  and take it with you to show to the
barista!

As David says - good luck

Alastair

On 21 April 2013 11:43, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 G'day all

 On my forthcoming trip to the USA I'm just going to *have* to find 
 good coffee.

 In Australia, when my wife and I go to a coffee shop, I order a 'long
black'
 and she has a 'flat white'.  I'm fairly sure that I would get odd 
 (possibly even unfriendly) looks if I ask for these in the US.

 Does anyone know the US equivalents?


 --
 Cheers

 Brian

 ++
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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer





- Original Message -
From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: LBA hubris

On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 07:41:30AM +0200, mike wilson wrote:
 On 20/04/2013 20:05, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 05:04:32AM -0600, Bill wrote:
 On 20/04/2013 12:52 AM, David Savage wrote:
 You don't have to photograph everything.
 
 
 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the heron 
 now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but, sadly

You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.


That's my cardinal rule.

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Re: PESO - 'Backyard Capture'

2013-04-21 Thread Alan C

Some people want to kill anything which moves.

Alan C

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Subject: Re: PESO - 'Backyard Capture'


Thanks Alan.

In the U.S., in my experience, the wolf is even slyer than the coyote and 
far, far harder to observe in the wild,
altough their numbers have increased dramatically in the upper Peninsula 
of Michigan, to the point where there are a group of citizens proposing a 
limited hunt for them.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Alan C c...@lantic.net

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Backyard Capture'


The sly nature of the beast is quite evident. The shot is actually rather 
artisic. In Africa, the slot is filled by the very similar jackal.


Alan C
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Subject: PESO - 'Backyard Capture'

Caught this guy in my backyard the other day, less than 100 feet from my 
house. Healthiest looking coyote I've ever seen in the wild.


K20D  300mm f4.5 FA 400 ISO

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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer
Gas stations?? Dunkin Donuts???

Ummm, John... You need to have somebody make you some ~good~ coffee someday.

Rick
 
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
To: pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:59 AM
Subject: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

From: Brian Walters
 G'day all

 On my forthcoming trip to the USA I'm just going to *have* to find
 good coffee.

 In Australia, when my wife and I go to a coffee shop, I order a 'long
 black' and she has a 'flat white'.  I'm fairly sure that I would get
 odd (possibly even unfriendly) looks if I ask for these in the US.

 Does anyone know the US equivalents?

Sounds like what you want are a large coffee  she wants coffee with 
cream (aka non-dairy artificial whitener). If you order coffee they 
should ask if you want cream  sugar. You say no, she says just cream.

Starbucks  fancy coffee shops will have their own proprietary names for 
this.

I avoid Starbucks  the like because they make their coffee too strong  
bitter. That's so it will still have some lingering taste of coffee 
after they add all the frou-frou junk to it. But, since I don't put any 
of that frou-frou junk in my coffee I prefer McDonalds, Biscuitville, 
Dunkin Donuts or Krispy-Kreme coffee.

Nowadays most gas (petrol) stations are combined with a convenience 
store  they'll have drinkable coffee as well.

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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread mike wilson

On 21/04/2013 14:55, Rick Womer wrote:



That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the

heron now.


I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but, sadly



You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.



And stop being a tit.


That's my cardinal rule.


Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.
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Re: Well, at least I'm allowed to leave the house now

2013-04-21 Thread David Parsons
There is already a donation setup for his boat, and last I heard,
already has $305,000 in the fund.

On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 There were a load of funny boat tweets. “Chechens are not natural
 seamen.” “Somewhere in Boston right now, there’s a guy furiously
 scanning the fine print on his boat insurance.” etc

 On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 There are some funny people on Twitter. After he was captured one guy 
 tweeted:
 Tip: if your escape plan involves a boat it should also include water.

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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread Eactivist
LOL. Drat, I should have kept my mouth shut, because I'd almost forgotten  
that.

Yup, that was when Doug had to manually restore me back to list  after the 
list software had dropped me off. 

But that wasn't the real  problem, somehow he was being pinged every time 
my PDML email was bounced back  by AOL (because they had an inbox limit. Now, 
having run a list myself, I  realize the undelivered email was probably 
going to HIS inbox, sent by the list  mail daemon). AOL still technically has a 
limit, but not really, so there's no  bounce back anymore.

I never really understood it until I saw poor,  beleaguered Doug in person 
at Grandfather Mountain and he explained it to me.  After meeting him and 
knowing him and the situation better, I felt very guilty  and tried REALLY 
hard to clear out my inbox on a regular basis after that. But  it had also made 
me feel sort of special, sort of like Elvis has entered the  building, 
and for a long time afterward I missed hearing...

Marnie,  clear out your mailbox!!!

One time he even posted it as a thread to the  list, in the subject line -- 
so I would see it even when off list. LOL. Which  reminds me, I should make 
a donation to Doug for running PDML. I owe him as much  as anyone.
 
M aka D :-) 

In a message dated 4/20/2013 11:13:08 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes:
Har!

The very first thing  I learned about PDML ... before PESOs  GESOs; 
before cormorants; before  pun threads, H2G2  Monty Python quotes; 
before dark-side lens buggery   Cotty's hat; before the PUG  
Grandfather Mountain ...

The  very first thing I learned about PDML was (and I quote), Marnie, 
clean out  your inbox

8^D

From: Eactivist
 I guess I should add, even  after a massive  deleting when I came back, my
 count is now at  4894.

 Marnie  ;-)   AOL objects when it gets up  to 5,000. So it really objected
 when  it was near 10,000.
 

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Tilt Shift Correction.

2013-04-21 Thread Bipin Gupta
Thanks Boris, for pointing this out. As I said I have not used this feature.
Regards. Bipin.

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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread Eactivist
Not really, but some tend to get really chatty  at times. 

Marnie aka Doe :-) Oops, that should be some OF  US...

In a message dated 4/20/2013 10:41:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
c...@lantic.net writes:
Proves a point. This is probably the busiest list in  the world!

Alam C  


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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread P.J. Alling

On 4/21/2013 1:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Brian Walters

G'day all

On my forthcoming trip to the USA I'm just going to *have* to find
good coffee.

In Australia, when my wife and I go to a coffee shop, I order a 'long
black' and she has a 'flat white'.  I'm fairly sure that I would get
odd (possibly even unfriendly) looks if I ask for these in the US.

Does anyone know the US equivalents?




Do not order coffee with Cream if you want non dairy artificial 
whitener.  Ask for non dairy creamer.  Some places will have a choice 
of whitening agent, a more or less traditional chemical brew based on 
materials that might have at one time seen the inside of a cow, (non 
dairy creamer), or some type of soy derivative, neither one is a 
suitable substitute for cream.


Sounds like what you want are a large coffee  she wants coffee with 
cream (aka non-dairy artificial whitener). If you order coffee they 
should ask if you want cream  sugar. You say no, she says just 
cream.


Starbucks  fancy coffee shops will have their own proprietary names 
for this.


I avoid Starbucks  the like because they make their coffee too strong 
 bitter. That's so it will still have some lingering taste of coffee 
after they add all the frou-frou junk to it. But, since I don't put 
any of that frou-frou junk in my coffee I prefer McDonalds, 
Biscuitville, Dunkin Donuts or Krispy-Kreme coffee.


Nowadays most gas (petrol) stations are combined with a convenience 
store  they'll have drinkable coffee as well.





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Re: Well, at least I'm allowed to leave the house now

2013-04-21 Thread Eactivist
It really surprised me that they didn't seem to  realize how many 
surveillance cameras there are around these days... like  everywhere. The one 
who was 
caught even wore his cap backwards so you could  clearly see his face. One 
would have thought that was definitely one time to  dress counter to being 
cool. But obviously not a lot of thought was  involved.

M aka D 

In a message dated 4/20/2013 11:41:26 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes:
The news reports were  saying the younger one went back to school on
Tuesday  Wednesday and  even offered to give one of his friends a ride
home on Friday afternoon.  Doesn't seem like they thought of trying to
run for it until hours after FBI  released the video clip of the two
suspects.  


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What are the shortcomings of you as a photographer?

2013-04-21 Thread Bipin Gupta
How do you make a photograph that captures the *smell* of lilacs in
bloom? by John Sessoms

Hey John, just stop aging for around (50) years. Marvel of new
technology will allow you to *smell* Lilacs in your photographs.
Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.

PS: I got my news paper some time back with embedded perfume in a flower
   photo for an Ad. So for a quick solution to your wish rub some Lilac
   perfume behind the print of your lilac in bloom. Good Luck.

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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Rick Womer

Gas stations?? Dunkin Donuts???

Ummm, John... You need to have somebody make you some ~good~ coffee someday.

Rick


I started drinking coffee while I was in the Army. I don't want coffee
flavored drinks. The only thing I add to my coffee is coffee.


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Re: Well, at least I'm allowed to leave the house now

2013-04-21 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Apr 21, 2013, at 11:46 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 It really surprised me that they didn't seem to  realize how many 
 surveillance cameras there are around these days... like  everywhere. The one 
 who was 
 caught even wore his cap backwards so you could  clearly see his face. One 
 would have thought that was definitely one time to  dress counter to being 
 cool. But obviously not a lot of thought was  involved.
 
 M aka D 

Not only did the accused apparently fail to realize that there would be 
surveillance cameras in and around the stores, but also that many of the 
spectators would be shooting videos or stills of the race on their cell phone 
cameras. I bet the authorities have a vast number of videos and photos showing 
the perps and the placement of the bombs.

Paul


 
 In a message dated 4/20/2013 11:41:26 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
 jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes:
 The news reports were  saying the younger one went back to school on
 Tuesday  Wednesday and  even offered to give one of his friends a ride
 home on Friday afternoon.  Doesn't seem like they thought of trying to
 run for it until hours after FBI  released the video clip of the two
 suspects.  
 
 
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Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Everyone:

Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in Chicago--lots 
of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we did more talking 
than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, so expect some pics 
from her in the next few days!

Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!

http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html

Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: Is there any value to a K50 f/1.4 lens?

2013-04-21 Thread Mark C
50's make nice loupes, if you need a loupe. About 4x or 6x IIRC. I used 
to use M50 f2's  for this in my slide shooting days.


Mark

On 4/20/2013 3:36 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

I got this lens with a used ME Super about 6 years ago.

I realize today as I'm sorting through my goodies that I don't ever use it.

When I got it, it had a damaged filter ring and a loose focus collar which I 
had to fix by removing the front ring (I don't remember what that part is 
called - the part that encircles the front of the lens and says SMC Pentax 
1:1.4/50).  I had to put a couple of holes in the face of that part so I could 
unscrew it through the damaged threads.

Well - in any case, the optics are good and it works fine, but I'm trying to 
determine if it has any value at all to anyone so I can put it on the market.  
KEH would probably call it 'ugly' because it is.  Looks ugly but it works 
perfectly!

Hard to describe.. here's a 2.1MB iPhone photo of the front:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2013/IMG_2493.JPG

Anyways.. is this worth anything?  Or do I throw it back in a drawer to be 
ignored for another 4 years?

  -Charles

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Re: PESO - Untitled

2013-04-21 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Thanks, Tim, and thanks as well to the others who commented and to those who 
looked.

Cheers,
frank

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Subject: Re: PESO - Untitled

Made me smile. -T

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Still vacillating on this one, but I'm leaning toward like as I post this. 
 Perhaps some new members don't know what people refer to when they talk of 
 Theriaultian or knarfian blur:

  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/04/untitled.html?m=1

 Well, now you know.

 ;-)

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

 Cheers,
 frank

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Re: What are the shortcomings of you as a photographer?

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: What are the shortcomings of you as a photographer?
 
 You have to catch it just as the buds open, then use your imagination. It 
 works.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9197994size=lg


Wow!  That's pretty, Paul!  Cheers, Christine


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Re: Seeking Night Shooting Advice

2013-04-21 Thread Eactivist
Thanks to all for your  replies.

Especially to Charles, wow!, a really fulsome description. That  helps a 
LOT. Thanks also to Stan, Zos, Ken, and Tim.  

The teacher  will eventually cover night photography, but I wanted to try 
shooting some this  coming week. So this gives me a direction to go in.

Thanks again!   Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a message dated 4/19/2013 9:44:35 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
charl...@visi.com writes:
On Apr 19, 2013, at 11:11 ,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 Never really done that much night   shooting.
 
 I am, again, think it's been 5 years, taking a photo  class that  ends in 
a 
 little show (mat  frame  hang pics   invite family   friends). You 
pick a 
 theme to shoot  around. I am, again, choosing an  environmental one.
 
 There  is an oil refinery nearby that is lit up like a  fairy castle at 
  night. They don't like you taking pictures (if they see you on  or near  
their 
 property), but there is a spot across the freeway where I think  I  could 
get a 
 good night shot.
 
 Only don't know  how to begin. High ISO? Long  exposure? Never done HDR, 
 would that  be better? (Definitely plan on using the  old tripod, and I 
do have  
 a remote.) I can try different approaches and shoot it  again on  return 
 trips.
 

1. Tripod

2. 2-second release  (also ideally with a remote release) so that the 
mirror is flipped up and  everything has settled down a bit before the shutter 
opens.

3. Shoot RAW  - most of the speckles and noise (hot pixels) you get from 
overheating the  sensor are automatically removed by the Adobe Raw converter 
when you import into  (whatever you use) and it'll save you a ton of time 
cleaning up.

4.  Shoot as low an ISO as you are patient enough to use.  That will come 
back  to you in sharpness.  If you like, you can start with a high ISO to 
figure  out approximately the exposure range you want to use, and then crank 
down the  ISO (and crank up the exposure time to match).

5. Along with low ISO,  stop down to f5.6/8/11 to help with your 
depth-of-field.  Especially when  it's pitch dark out (I don't know how 
well-lit your 
subject is) it can be tricky  to get the focus spot-on.

6. Don't be afraid to start with an  automatically-calculated exposure.  
You can then dial the  exposure-compensation up or down to  taste.


-Charles

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Re: Boris PESO #24 - Untitled

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Some interesting geometric dynamic here, Boris.  Christine


On Apr 20, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi!
 
 Please have a look.
 
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/04/2013-24-untitled.html
 
 Brutal and honest comments are as usual appreciated in advance.
 
 Boris
 
 
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Re: PESO - After the Storm

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
 
 - Original Message -
 From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com
 To: PDML@pdml.net
 Cc:
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:15 AM
 Subject: PESO - After the Storm
 
 I showed this one about three years ago and recently dug it up for another 
 purpose. I thought it might be worth another look (or a first look for those 
 of you who are relatively new to the list):
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2010/05/after-storm.html?m=1
 


Wow!  dramatic, great mood, solid composition.  Nice one Frank.  Cheers, 
Christine


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Re: PESO - Three Muses

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Yep, good light and nicely composed.  Cheers, Christine



On Mar 31, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 At the Louvre, Paris:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17094513size=lg
 
 (K-5, DA 16-45)
 
 I loved the light in those galleries.
 
 Comments appreciated!
 
 Rick
 
 
 
 
  
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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 21/4/13, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

Truth is, we did more talking than picture making.

Now who woulda guessed that !!!  ;-) ;-) ;-)

http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html

Lovely little gallery and great that you two got together XX

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Re: Seeking Night Shooting Advice

2013-04-21 Thread Zos Xavius
Hope things work out! Share some of your shots :P

On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 Thanks to all for your  replies.

 Especially to Charles, wow!, a really fulsome description. That  helps a
 LOT. Thanks also to Stan, Zos, Ken, and Tim.

 The teacher  will eventually cover night photography, but I wanted to try
 shooting some this  coming week. So this gives me a direction to go in.

 Thanks again!   Marnie aka Doe :-)

 In a message dated 4/19/2013 9:44:35 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
 charl...@visi.com writes:
 On Apr 19, 2013, at 11:11 ,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 Never really done that much night   shooting.

 I am, again, think it's been 5 years, taking a photo  class that  ends in
 a
 little show (mat  frame  hang pics   invite family   friends). You
 pick a
 theme to shoot  around. I am, again, choosing an  environmental one.

 There  is an oil refinery nearby that is lit up like a  fairy castle at
  night. They don't like you taking pictures (if they see you on  or near
 their
 property), but there is a spot across the freeway where I think  I  could
 get a
 good night shot.

 Only don't know  how to begin. High ISO? Long  exposure? Never done HDR,
 would that  be better? (Definitely plan on using the  old tripod, and I
 do have
 a remote.) I can try different approaches and shoot it  again on  return
 trips.


 1. Tripod

 2. 2-second release  (also ideally with a remote release) so that the
 mirror is flipped up and  everything has settled down a bit before the shutter
 opens.

 3. Shoot RAW  - most of the speckles and noise (hot pixels) you get from
 overheating the  sensor are automatically removed by the Adobe Raw converter
 when you import into  (whatever you use) and it'll save you a ton of time
 cleaning up.

 4.  Shoot as low an ISO as you are patient enough to use.  That will come
 back  to you in sharpness.  If you like, you can start with a high ISO to
 figure  out approximately the exposure range you want to use, and then crank
 down the  ISO (and crank up the exposure time to match).

 5. Along with low ISO,  stop down to f5.6/8/11 to help with your
 depth-of-field.  Especially when  it's pitch dark out (I don't know how 
 well-lit your
 subject is) it can be tricky  to get the focus spot-on.

 6. Don't be afraid to start with an  automatically-calculated exposure.
 You can then dial the  exposure-compensation up or down to  taste.


 -Charles

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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell

 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the
 heron now.

 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but,
sadly

 You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.

 And stop being a tit.

That's my cardinal rule.

Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.

Toucan play at that game.


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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 21/4/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

 I've always wanted a leather-covered body with a rising front.

You sick bastard.

If you find one, let me know.

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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Cotty--many kisses back.  Cheers, Christine


On Apr 21, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 On 21/4/13, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Truth is, we did more talking than picture making.
 
 Now who woulda guessed that !!!  ;-) ;-) ;-)
 
 http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html
 
 Lovely little gallery and great that you two got together XX
 
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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 21, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

 
 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the
 heron now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but,
 sadly
 
 You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.
 
 And stop being a tit.
 
 That's my cardinal rule.
 
 Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.
 
 Toucan play at that game.

Owl bet that with a last name like hers, Christine Aquila must be paying raptor 
tension to this whole exchange.

 
 
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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 Hi Everyone:
 
 Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in 
 Chicago--lots of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we 
 did more talking than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, 
 so expect some pics from her in the next few days!
 
 Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!
 
 http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html

I love that first one with the El. And you sure found a pretty model for your 
second shot. :-)

 
 Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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Re: paw updates

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Rick, Derby, Boris, John, and Bruce.

I'm glad you mentioned the greenish tint, John.  When I print it out, I'll 
check to see what the printer renders.  I did do a warmer tone, but went with 
this one instead.  Don't ask me why.  I probably flipped a coin :-).  The 
layered window shot is odd but intriguing to me eye--not so much in of 
itself--rather, when I saw the reflection I just saw so much consumerism and 
I'm thinking about doing a photo essay on consumerism.  Lately the topic has 
been of interest to me.  I don't hold any hard and fast positions--just 
reflections and musings.  So far it's an odd little group of photos--so unlike 
anything I've shot before, but that is, in fact, the point of the exercise 
here--total experimentation with subject material and renderings.  

Cheers, Christine




On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Christine,
 
 I really like the first one; too bad it wasn't ready in time for the April 
 PUG!
 
 Rick
  
 http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com
 To: PDML List pdml@pdml.net
 Cc: 
 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:08 AM
 Subject: paw updates
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 
 The first three are new.  We had a lot of rain, and I got caught downtown 
 without an umbrella and took the 1st one while riding out the rain in a 
 vestibule.  The Dench photo is just sentimental; I'm a huge fan.  The third 
 one is, well, just odd :-).
 
 http://www.caguila.com/paw2013/index.html
 
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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, and she's as pretty on the inside as she is on the outside!  Cheers, 
Christine


On Apr 21, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 
 On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in 
 Chicago--lots of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we 
 did more talking than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, 
 so expect some pics from her in the next few days!
 
 Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!
 
 http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html
 
 I love that first one with the El. And you sure found a pretty model for your 
 second shot. :-)
 
 
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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell

 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the
 heron now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but,
 sadly
 
 You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.
 
 And stop being a tit.
 
 That's my cardinal rule.
 
 Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.
 
 Toucan play at that game.

Owl bet that with a last name like hers, Christine Aquila must be paying
raptor tension to this whole exchange.

As far as replies go, she like mynah lot.


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Re: What are the shortcomings of your gear?

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
That some of it needs repair work!  Cheers, Christine

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Re: PAW 2013 catch up

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Stan.  It really was the only compositional option given a car was 
parked in front of it.  Cheers, Christine


On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

 I am glad you gave us another ration of your photos. Of the four new ones, I 
 particularly like #4, the patriotic dumpster. The subject is just so wrong in 
 so many ways IMHO, and your presentation/composition just gets out of the way 
 and lets the subject speak for itself. Wonderful. Even if it likely wouldn't 
 have made it onto the Saturday Evening Post cover.
 
 stan
 
 On Mar 30, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
 
 
 Hi All:
 
 I did shoot some frames, but couldn't get any gumption to post to the 
 gallery.  The first 4 photos are the new ones.  Cheers, Christine
 
 http://www.caguila.com/paw2013/
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Re: Well, at least I'm allowed to leave the house now

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 21/4/13, eactiv...@aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed:

It really surprised me that they didn't seem to  realize how many 
surveillance cameras there are around these days... like  everywhere.
The one who was 
caught even wore his cap backwards so you could  clearly see his face. One 
would have thought that was definitely one time to  dress counter to being 
cool. But obviously not a lot of thought was  involved.

The desire to kill is, I maintain, an act of insanity. Their
intelligence may not be in doubt, but their focus was narrow. People
with these thoughts and desires do not think through the repercussions
and the consequences.

Here in the UK, after we had our '7/7' bombings, the intelligence
community have responded by upping their game. We have a slow but sure
trickle of cases where would-be bombers have been arrested and charged
and are undergoing trial for wanting to do similar harm, and I am
thankful for that. Hence we have ongoing detection and justice rather
than ongoing bombings and death.

I think Boston was (and is) another big wake-up call for the USA.

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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Aguila

On Apr 21, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 
 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely into the
 heron now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun but,
 sadly
 
 You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.
 
 And stop being a tit.
 
 That's my cardinal rule.
 
 Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.
 
 Toucan play at that game.
 
 Owl bet that with a last name like hers, Christine Aquila must be paying
 raptor tension to this whole exchange.
 
 As far as replies go, she like mynah lot.


This is just a lot of pun thread bushtit.
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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Larry Colen


Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:


 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely
into the
 heron now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun
but,
 sadly
 
 You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.
 
 And stop being a tit.
 
 That's my cardinal rule.
 
 Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.
 
 Toucan play at that game.

Owl bet that with a last name like hers, Christine Aquila must be
paying
raptor tension to this whole exchange.

As far as replies go, she like mynah lot.
Despite your raven, they're nothi g to crow about.
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RE: paw updates

2013-04-21 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
The third one loses me. Cluttered and I can't really figure out what's going on.

Second one is fun and very well executed. Like!

The first of the silhouetted umbrella is absolutely brilliant! I can't say 
enough about this one: Mood, composition, timing, choice of monochrome, it all 
comes together to make one of the best photos I've seen in a while.

Cheers,
frank

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Subject: paw updates

Hi Everyone:


The first three are new.  We had a lot of rain, and I got caught downtown 
without an umbrella and took the 1st one while riding out the rain in a 
vestibule.  The Dench photo is just sentimental; I'm a huge fan.  The third one 
is, well, just odd :-).

http://www.caguila.com/paw2013/index.html

Cheers, Christine
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OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Bipin Gupta
Hello David, my wife and me had a Hell of a Coffee time in our (3)
week trip to Europe. By Hell we mean satan's hell.
We were served luke warm coffee every where. We would tell the girls
we wanted our coffee piping hot.
I don't think they understood piping hot at all - what a shame. So
we would hunt around for Starbucks, the American chain.
Oh my what a relief. They understood hot coffee, at last. And a
Small cup at Starbucks was equal to a Large cup in most European
coffee joints.
And TEA in Europe is plain s***.
I bet you will have lots of fun with coffee in the US, with coffee
shops located every 25 meters on the streets. And you don't have to
find good coffee; good coffee will find you.
Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.

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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Bob W
On 21 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone:
 
 Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in 
 Chicago--lots of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we 
 did more talking than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, 
 so expect some pics from her in the next few days!
 
 Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!
 
 http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html

Fantastic. I particularly like the last shot, in the bean.

B
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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread steve harley

on 2013-04-20 17:43 Brian Walters wrote

On my forthcoming trip to the USA I'm just going to *have* to find good coffee.


you will find it, but it may be work; when i travel i often have to do some 
research, though recently in Brooklyn coffee seemed very well appreciated




In Australia, when my wife and I go to a coffee shop, I order a 'long black'
and she has a 'flat white'.  I'm fairly sure that I would get odd (possibly
even unfriendly) looks if I ask for these in the US.


stay away from Starbucks, they have their own language for coffee and act like 
you're an idiot if you don't use it (e.g. tall = small)


a good coffee shop will let you explain your preference, but i think Darren may 
have sorted yours into typical language (hard to tell for sure)


in my experience, independent coffee shops in the US vary from the best to the 
worst; for every excellent one there is one that turns a dry cappuccino (my 
preference) into a latte, such that i often order a espresso macchiato instead 
(which comes out like a dry cappuccino, and usually costs less), but then i may 
have to help a barristo understand i do not want a caramel macchiato (a 
sickly sweet latte) because Starbucks has made that the most common use of the 
term macchiato, sigh


in San Francisco, in my limited experience, Blue Bottle was a quality 
establishment (and expensive); here in Denver i can recommend several; i had a 
great suggestion for you for the trip south from Frisco, but i just learned 
Bongo Billy's in Salida has closed; i would have also suggested a quick visit 
to Absolute Bikes next door, which has the best collection of museum-quality 
vintage mountain bikes i've ever seen


you could also just get an Aeropress and brew your own


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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Jack Davis
Couldn't help smiling as I enjoyed these images. Looking forward to Christine's 
images. ;-)
 
Jack


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Subject: Christine meets Christine!

Hi Everyone:

Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in Chicago--lots 
of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we did more talking 
than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, so expect some pics 
from her in the next few days!

Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!

http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html

Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Bipin Gupta
 I don't want coffee flavored drinks. The only thing I add to my
coffee is coffee - by John Sessoms.

Yep, that makes the best coffee in the world - but I hope it isn't
Instant Coffee - yuk! Here is how I make my coffee in Bangalore:-
I go to the Coffee Stores and ask him for Peaburry Mix - don't like
arabic. He roasts the coffee beans, adds some Chicory, and then grinds
it. What a heavenly aroma when he is roasting and grinding.
I have an old style copper coffee percolator. Makes the perfect coffee
brew. Either I take it straight or add hot milk to it and some sugar.
It makes my morning happy and pleasant - a good start for some photography.
Kind Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.

PS: While in Europe don't drink coffee. Luke warm water is better.

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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread steve harley

on 2013-04-20 18:21 Rick Womer wrote

After a week on the inpatient service followed by a week away at a meeting and a very 
busy week catching up, the unread message counter on my Yahoo account said 
999+.

Now, after an hour of going through messages, it says 926.


there is no need to read (nor even to delete) every message; it is very helpful 
to filter lists like this into their own mailbox, though; i treat it as a 
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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
Such fun! Great gallery.

Paul via phone

On Apr 21, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone:
 
 Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in 
 Chicago--lots of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we 
 did more talking than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, 
 so expect some pics from her in the next few days!
 
 Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!
 
 http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html
 
 Cheers, Christine/Chicago
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PESO - Arrowhead

2013-04-21 Thread Eactivist
This is really a product shot. I have a shedfull  of family and my 
accumulation from the last 50 years. 

Decided to sell  some of my Dad's arrowheads (he collected them as a boy, 
he was born in 1905).  He found them along side the rivers/streams when he 
fished in Siskiyou County,  California. They were probably tributaries of the 
Klamath River. In his  childhood, arrowheads were fairly easy to find. 

Although it's just a  product shot for ebay, I sort of liked it. I just put 
some plain white paper  under it.

http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/arrow.html

Comments  welcome. 

Marnie aka Doe :-)Maybe I should play with  my macro lens more often.  


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Re: PESO - Louvre Staircase

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer
I knew you would--there's blur involved!

Cheers,

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Subject: RE: PESO - Louvre Staircase

I love it!

cheers,
frank

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From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
Sent: April 20, 2013 4/20/13
To: Pentax List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - Louvre Staircase

I'm ambivalent about this one:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17187726size=lg

Sometimes I like it, and sometimes I think there are too many blurry moving 
figures.

Opinions appreciated!

Rick

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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer
I drink nothing but black coffee myself.

So as I said

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Subject: Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

From: Rick Womer
 Gas stations?? Dunkin Donuts???

 Ummm, John... You need to have somebody make you some ~good~ coffee someday.

 Rick

I started drinking coffee while I was in the Army. I don't want coffee
flavored drinks. The only thing I add to my coffee is coffee.


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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread steve harley

on 2013-04-21 12:27 Bipin Gupta wrote

PS: While in Europe don't drink coffee. Luke warm water is better.


i'm not especially experienced with Europe, but it seems harsh to dismiss the 
coffee of an entire continent; i've had excellent espresso (straight) in 
Amsterdam and Paris


speaking of India and additives to coffee, my own daily coffee (made with an 
Aeropress) usually includes a dash of cardamon; my father brought the habit 
back from Pakistan in the 60s and kept at it for 40 more years (he would grind 
a whole seed with beans)





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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer
I have a separate email account for PDML, and I =do= try to be selective.

Just the same...

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Subject: Re: Sinking feeling...

on 2013-04-20 18:21 Rick Womer wrote
 After a week on the inpatient service followed by a week away at a meeting 
 and a very busy week catching up, the unread message counter on my Yahoo 
 account said 999+.

 Now, after an hour of going through messages, it says 926.

there is no need to read (nor even to delete) every message; it is very helpful 
to filter lists like this into their own mailbox, though; i treat it as a 
river of news, with interesting bits floating by and i can dip or immerse 
myself as desired, or just listen to the gurgle





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Re: PESO: Mango Muse (by Bong Manayon)

2013-04-21 Thread Mark C
That is a beautiful shot, and it does indeed have that classic Kodak 
look to it.


Mark

On 4/16/2013 2:11 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Apologies to Bong, but I just have to share this image that he created
from his Flickr photostream. It's a keeper. Reminds me of an image I
would have seen in one of the old Kodak photography publications, back
in the day. And it is shot on film.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/8651379276/in/contacts/lightbox/

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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread steve harley

on 2013-04-20 1:07 Larry Colen wrote

On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 02:52:30PM +0800, David Savage wrote:

You don't have to photograph everything.

Sometimes it's more worthwhile to simply put the camera down  enjoy the view.


True, but I had never seen a block crowned night heron before, and I wanted to 
find
out what it was.


*black-crowned* yes, they are way cool; i've seen them a few times, but i've 
never photographed one





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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer
Now those pix were fun!

If I organize a Philly PDML again (last one was shortly after the istD came 
out), will you =both= come?

Rick
 
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Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Christine meets Christine!

Hi Everyone:

Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in Chicago--lots 
of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we did more talking 
than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, so expect some pics 
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Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!

http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html

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Re: PESO - Louvre Staircase

2013-04-21 Thread Mark C
I agree with David Savage -  more blur in the moving people to get them 
a little more abstracted would probably help. Maybe a chance to use you 
photo editors motion blur filter The core composition is excellent 
and the moving figures make a great counter to the staid symmetry of the 
stairs.


Mark





On 4/20/2013 8:46 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I'm ambivalent about this one:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17187726size=lg

Sometimes I like it, and sometimes I think there are too many blurry moving 
figures.

Opinions appreciated!

Rick




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RE: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Gerrit Visser

Saffron adds a lovely twist to coffee as well. Recently learned that from a
spice shop owner in Dubai.

Gerrit

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on 2013-04-21 12:27 Bipin Gupta wrote
 PS: While in Europe don't drink coffee. Luke warm water is better.

i'm not especially experienced with Europe, but it seems harsh to dismiss
the coffee of an entire continent; i've had excellent espresso (straight) in
Amsterdam and Paris

speaking of India and additives to coffee, my own daily coffee (made with an
Aeropress) usually includes a dash of cardamon; my father brought the habit
back from Pakistan in the 60s and kept at it for 40 more years (he would
grind a whole seed with beans)




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Re: PESO - Louvre Staircase

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer
Yeah, Dave, I think you're right...

Too blurred to be accidental, but not blurred enough to be artistic.

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Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:55 PM
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I like the composition but I reckon the people need to be blurred even
more, to make them more abstract.

As shot they are distractingly almost, but not quite, identifiable.

My 2c.

DS

On 21 April 2013 08:46, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I'm ambivalent about this one:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17187726size=lg

 Sometimes I like it, and sometimes I think there are too many blurry moving 
 figures.

 Opinions appreciated!

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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer
I grind my own, and have some cardamom... gotta try that!

Rick
 
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on 2013-04-21 12:27 Bipin Gupta wrote
 PS: While in Europe don't drink coffee. Luke warm water is better.

i'm not especially experienced with Europe, but it seems harsh to dismiss the 
coffee of an entire continent; i've had excellent espresso (straight) in 
Amsterdam and Paris

speaking of India and additives to coffee, my own daily coffee (made with an 
Aeropress) usually includes a dash of cardamon; my father brought the habit 
back from Pakistan in the 60s and kept at it for 40 more years (he would grind 
a whole seed with beans)




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Re: PESO - After the Storm

2013-04-21 Thread Mark C

Reminds me of Hokusai's Wave. Nice!

Mark

On 4/20/2013 12:15 PM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

I showed this one about three years ago and recently dug it up for another 
purpose. I thought it might be worth another look (or a first look for those of 
you who are relatively new to the list):

  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2010/05/after-storm.html?m=1

Lake Ontario (with downtown Toronto in the background) after a particularly 
strong storm the night before.

Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.

Cheers,
frank

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Re: Well, at least I'm allowed to leave the house now

2013-04-21 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Apr 21, 2013, at 10:52 , Steve Cottrell wrote:

 I think Boston was (and is) another big wake-up call for the USA.

As is the fact that the FBI had the older brother on the radar for 6 years, 
even interviewing him two years ago. That was, of corse, before he went over to 
Russia for (we assume) training to be a terrorist bomber.

The little brother seems to have been a follower, helping out the big brother 
without the will to resist.

Both of them, however, had made good strides within the educational system that 
could have played out well if they weren't insane.



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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Igor Roshchin

Brian:

Beware that the roasts that are typically used for espresso and
derivatives is very different from that in Europe, and I'd say from what
I had in Sidney (although, probably to a lesser extent).
After trips to France or Italy, for some 2-4 weeks, I couldn't drink
esperesso back in the US.

Once, I asked the owner of the coffee cart that had nice coffee
(compared to what you have in the US) about that difference. She told me 
that a bunch of people had asked her (it was on UCSD campus, so there were
many people from Europe or who had travelled to Europe). They tried to
look for a supplier of a european-style roast, but it would have been
prohibitively expensive for them to use that coffee, so they never did.


Bipin:

Tastes are different, so I wouldn't try to convince you of anything
different; I am just sharing my point of view.
In my opinion, the ubiquitous Starbucks (in the US) provides
mostly consistent average-to-mediocre quality of coffee and a bunch of
sugary coffee-drinks. None of those drinks stand close to the quality of
their European counter-parts found in Italy (and, at least for espresso,
- in France). Typically, local, moms-and-paps coffee shops would
provide better coffee (with a caveat of possible broader distribution 
of quality).

I do not patronize Starbucks, unless it's a matter of survival (e.g. 
need a pastry in lieu of breakfast at a scientific conference, and 
there is nothing else at the convention center).
One reason is the quality of coffee, but a more significant reason is
their predatory practices. 

One example, I observed myself in San Diego downtown around 2005-2008.
There was a very popular family-owned, coffee shop Cafe Bassam with a nice
atmosphere http://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-bassam-san-diego .
I've seen 3 Starbucks that were set up within 0-3 blocks from that one, 
one being just across the street. It was pleasant to see that nearest
Starbucks being rather empty on weekend nights, while Bassam was
crowded. Then, Bassam was forced away to move out. (They still exist,
but now in uptown.)
The story I heard, albeit second hand was that when it was time for
Bassam to renew the lease, Starbucks made an offer that was factor of
X higher than what was the going rate (I don't know what that X was,
but somebody said it was between 2 and 3.).
Bassam couldn't afford that and had to find a new place.
As far as I know Starbuck never even moved in that place.
I moved from San Diego right around that time, so I don't know what 
is there now. Actually, Google Maps street view shows not Startbucks there
(corner of 4th and Market, 401 Market St, San Diego, CA 92101-6932)

Igor



Sun Apr 21 14:04:11 EDT 2013
Bipin Gupta wrote:

Hello David, my wife and me had a Hell of a Coffee time in our (3)
week trip to Europe. By Hell we mean satan's hell.
We were served luke warm coffee every where. We would tell the girls
we wanted our coffee piping hot.
I don't think they understood piping hot at all - what a shame. So
we would hunt around for Starbucks, the American chain.
Oh my what a relief. They understood hot coffee, at last. And a
Small cup at Starbucks was equal to a Large cup in most European
coffee joints.
And TEA in Europe is plain s***.
I bet you will have lots of fun with coffee in the US, with coffee
shops located every 25 meters on the streets. And you don't have to
find good coffee; good coffee will find you.
Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.


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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Larry Colen
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:47:56PM -0600, steve harley wrote:
 on 2013-04-20 1:07 Larry Colen wrote
 On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 02:52:30PM +0800, David Savage wrote:
 You don't have to photograph everything.
 
 Sometimes it's more worthwhile to simply put the camera down  enjoy the 
 view.
 
 True, but I had never seen a block crowned night heron before, and I wanted 
 to find
 out what it was.
 
 *black-crowned* yes, they are way cool; i've seen them a few times,
 but i've never photographed one

I'm not a birder.  I can tell a buzzard from a red tail hawk and a cormorant 
from a seagul.
And I certainly don't consider myself a bird photographer.  I've tried just 
enough to have 
a deep appreciation of both the gear and the skill it takes to get good clear 
photos.

That's what was so frustrating about this.  I had the opportunity for an 
amazingly 
clear shot, had I not had the really dumb idea of checking out a new place to 
photograph
with only a single lens, that I've never used before.  Had I just brought my 
18-250, which is
pretty much the ultimate just in case lens, I would have gotten one of my 
best bird photos
ever. 

As it was, the photos were clear enough that even cropping them way down, a 
friend 
was able to identify the bird for me.  I must say that the 21st century lazyweb 
is 
better than just about any bird book ever written.  All I need to do is get a 
half 
decent photo of a bird, post a link on facebook, and in a couple of hours, 
somebody 
will tell me what it is.


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PESO - Busted Couple

2013-04-21 Thread Rick Womer
Still at the Louvre.  I don't know whom these were intended to represent.  I 
shot it because of the lighting, though the woman is busty as well as busted:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17187723size=lg


Comments appreciated!

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Soccer

2013-04-21 Thread SV Hovland
I won an F*250-600/5.6 action on ebay last month, but haven't used until today. 
The reason is that the lens was without the tripod mount and it is not very 
usable without. I will have a tripod mount made of aluminum next week and I was 
using a temporary made of plastic today.

So here are some pictures. These are the first taken by me with this lens and 
it is also the first time with a 600mm lens. The performance is as expected :-)

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!147317authkey=!ACqI_e4t2wLUz7Y

Stig Vidar Hovland

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Re: PESO - Arrowhead

2013-04-21 Thread Jack Davis
Good product shot Marnie. Shows it off nicely!
Good luck on ebay.
 
Jack


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Subject: PESO - Arrowhead

This is really a product shot. I have a shedfull  of family and my 
accumulation from the last 50 years. 

Decided to sell  some of my Dad's arrowheads (he collected them as a boy, 
he was born in 1905).  He found them along side the rivers/streams when he 
fished in Siskiyou County,  California. They were probably tributaries of the 
Klamath River. In his  childhood, arrowheads were fairly easy to find. 

Although it's just a  product shot for ebay, I sort of liked it. I just put 
some plain white paper  under it.

http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/arrow.html

Comments  welcome. 

Marnie aka Doe :-)    Maybe I should play with  my macro lens more often.  


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RE: Soccer

2013-04-21 Thread SV Hovland
 The performance is as expected :-)

I meant to write The performance of the lens is as expected :-). As this was 
the first time for me on a soccer match with camera, I suppose I did most of it 
wrong, but I had a few usable pictures.

The lens is unbelievable sharp. At 300mm it is difficult to see any difference 
between this wide open and DA*300/4 stopped down to f/5.6.

Stig Vidar Hovland

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Subject: Soccer

I won an F*250-600/5.6 action on ebay last month, but haven't used until today. 
The reason is that the lens was without the tripod mount and it is not very 
usable without. I will have a tripod mount made of aluminum next week and I was 
using a temporary made of plastic today.

So here are some pictures. These are the first taken by me with this lens and 
it is also the first time with a 600mm lens. The performance is as expected :-)

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!147317authkey=!ACqI_e4t2wLUz7Y

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Re: Scott Bourne's rant on the good old days...

2013-04-21 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 05:27:27PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 17, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote:

 Does slowing down and taking less pictures make your pictures better?
 I'd argue no, because you actually have less opportunities with film.
 Shots you might not have taken because you only have 10 exposures left
 might have been keepers in the end.
 
 That's true -- but it doesn't take away from Larry's idea that you should
 get charged for each photo you take.
 
 My point is that slowing down and thinking about each shot is a tool, as is 
 manually focusing, autofocusing, manually setting the exposure, TAv mode,
 Av mode, Hyperprogram, high ISO, available light, image stabilization and 
 using a tripod.  The biggest mistake you can make is that any one of these
 tools is applicable in all situations, for all people.
 
 I shouldn't be amazed at how often I see people projecting their own
 experiences on to other people with the assumption that they are universal
 truths.  
 
 I think that learning to slow down and think your shots is a critical 
 skill that is nearly as important as knowing when you need to shoot lots
 of frames to make sure that you get the shot.

Thing is, regardless of whether you use the idea of photo cost to slow
yourself, it's still a cost you pay -- in time, if not actual money.
(For processing the photos.)  I liked your idea of monetary cost because
my impression is that more people have an instinctive understanding of
monetary cost than time cost.
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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Christine Nielsen
Hellooo, Christine!

Fun gallery!  You guys missed a great time in the Windy City.  :)  The
weather was a bit chilly, but we enjoyed plenty of warm conversation 
amusing sights.

I am just home from our trip, hope to get to the photos soon...

Looking forward to the next meet-up... maybe in Philly?

:)
-c


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 Hi Everyone:

 Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in 
 Chicago--lots of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we 
 did more talking than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, 
 so expect some pics from her in the next few days!

 Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!

 http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html

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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Igor Roshchin

Fun gallery!

http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/content/IMG_0338_large.html
Is that a barrel distortion? ;-)

Doesn't LR have the lens correction profile for the Bean yet? ;-)

(Parodying a popular comment from various photo-hosting communities: 
this photo gives away that for one of you the horizon will be tilted.)

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Busted Couple

2013-04-21 Thread Bob W
On 21 Apr 2013, at 19:59, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Still at the Louvre.  I don't know whom these were intended to represent.  I 
 shot it because of the lighting, though the woman is busty as well as busted:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17187723size=lg

I think you made good use of the light, and composed them well.

He looks a bit like Louis XV, but I wouldn't bet on it. I think she is Sophie 
Arnould, who was an actress and opera singer, and obviously therefore needed a 
good pair of lungs.

B
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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 21 April 2013 17:24, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in 
 Chicago--lots of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we 
 did more talking than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, 
 so expect some pics from her in the next few days!

 Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!

 http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html

 Cheers, Christine/Chicago

Talking? I don't believe it!

Super set - love the cropped bean one.

Chris

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Re: PESO - Arrowhead

2013-04-21 Thread Eactivist
Thanks, Jack. :-) I sort of like it just for  it's asthetic value (as a 
picture/object) too.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

In a message dated 4/21/2013 12:31:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
jdavi...@yahoo.com writes:
Good product shot Marnie. Shows it off  nicely!
Good luck on ebay.

Jack


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Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:36 AM
Subject: PESO  - Arrowhead

This is really a product shot. I have a shedfull  of  family and my 
accumulation from the last 50 years. 

Decided to  sell  some of my Dad's arrowheads (he collected them as a boy, 
he was  born in 1905).  He found them along side the rivers/streams when he 
 
fished in Siskiyou County,  California. They were probably tributaries  of 
the 
Klamath River. In his  childhood, arrowheads were fairly easy to  find. 

Although it's just a  product shot for ebay, I sort of liked  it. I just 
put 
some plain white paper  under  it.

http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/arrow.html

Comments   welcome. 

Marnie aka Doe :-)Maybe I should play  with  my macro lens more often.  


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Re: Sinking feeling...

2013-04-21 Thread Bill

On 21/04/2013 11:11 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 21/4/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:


I've always wanted a leather-covered body with a rising front.

You sick bastard.

If you find one, let me know.


When we do that beer, I will definitely bring my wife.

bill

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OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bipin Gupta

 I don't want coffee flavored drinks. The only thing I add to my
coffee is coffee - by John Sessoms.

Yep, that makes the best coffee in the world - but I hope it isn't
Instant Coffee - yuk! Here is how I make my coffee in Bangalore:-
I go to the Coffee Stores and ask him for Peaburry Mix - don't like
arabic. He roasts the coffee beans, adds some Chicory, and then grinds
it. What a heavenly aroma when he is roasting and grinding.
I have an old style copper coffee percolator. Makes the perfect coffee
brew. Either I take it straight or add hot milk to it and some sugar.
It makes my morning happy and pleasant - a good start for some photography.
Kind Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.

PS: While in Europe don't drink coffee. Luke warm water is better.


When I visited Scotland in 2004, all of the Bed  Breakfast Inns I 
stayed at had standard Bunn-O-Matic commercial drip coffee makers. I've 
since been told that type of coffee is called filter coffee in Europe 
 the UK.


Same thing with the hotels I stayed in when I visited China in 2010. 
Plus, every place I went had a McDonalds somewhere that made coffee just 
like the old style McDonalds coffee from here in the USA (not the new 
style McDonalds crap where they're trying to be Starbucks-lite)


Here at home I have a 35 year old (or older?) 4-cup Mr. Coffee coffee 
maker. I get a Jamaican Blue Mountain whole bean from Costco  grind 
enough beans at one time to feed the Mr. Coffee for a week. Once it's 
opened, I seal the rest of the bag from Costco up  put it inside a 
double-zipper Zip-lock freezer bag that stays in the freezer until I 
need to grind more beans.


I use regular city water to make coffee at home. About once a week I get 
a biscuit  coffee from Biscuitville, and most Wednesdays, I go to a 
brunch with my photography group at IHOP.


I eat at McDonalds about once a month  whenever I do, I get coffee 
instead of a soft drink. When traveling (driving) I frequently will get 
coffee from McDonalds drive-thru.


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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Stan Halpin

On Apr 21, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 
 
 Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 
 
 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely
 into the
 heron now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun
 but,
 sadly
 
 You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.
 
 And stop being a tit.
 
 That's my cardinal rule.
 
 Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.
 
 Toucan play at that game.
 
 Owl bet that with a last name like hers, Christine Aquila must be
 paying
 raptor tension to this whole exchange.
 
 As far as replies go, she like mynah lot.
 Despite your raven, they're nothi g to crow about.

And so it goes on PDML, a bunch of punsters robin another perfectly good thread.



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RE: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Gerrit Visser
Buy a tin of Illy, it is EU roast, and imported to North America. Get dark
roast, the medium doesn't do it for real flavour :-)

Gerrit

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Brian:

Beware that the roasts that are typically used for espresso and derivatives
is very different from that in Europe, and I'd say from what I had in Sidney
(although, probably to a lesser extent).
After trips to France or Italy, for some 2-4 weeks, I couldn't drink
esperesso back in the US.

Once, I asked the owner of the coffee cart that had nice coffee (compared to
what you have in the US) about that difference. She told me that a bunch of
people had asked her (it was on UCSD campus, so there were many people from
Europe or who had travelled to Europe). They tried to look for a supplier of
a european-style roast, but it would have been prohibitively expensive for
them to use that coffee, so they never did.



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Re: Well, at least I'm allowed to leave the house now

2013-04-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Joseph McAllister

On Apr 21, 2013, at 10:52 , Steve Cottrell wrote:


I think Boston was (and is) another big wake-up call for the USA.


As is the fact that the FBI had the older brother on the radar for 6
years, even interviewing him two years ago. That was, of corse,
before he went over to Russia for (we assume) training to be a
terrorist bomber.

The little brother seems to have been a follower, helping out the big
brother without the will to resist.

Both of them, however, had made good strides within the educational
system that could have played out well if they weren't insane.


Considering how inept they proved at concealing their identities  how
little consideration they appear to have given avoiding the authorities,
I'd be quite surprised if either one had training they couldn't have
gotten via Google.

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RE: Soccer

2013-04-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: SV Hovland

I won an F*250-600/5.6 action on ebay last month, but haven't used
until today. The reason is that the lens was without the tripod mount
and it is not very usable without. I will have a tripod mount made of
aluminum next week and I was using a temporary made of plastic
today.

So here are some pictures. These are the first taken by me with this
lens and it is also the first time with a 600mm lens. The performance
is as expected :-)

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!147317authkey=!ACqI_e4t2wLUz7Y

 Stig Vidar Hovland



Tried to look at it, but it just tells me I've got the wrong browser;
that I should be using Internet Exploder, Mozilla Firefox or Google Chrome.

FWIW, I *am* using Mozilla Firefox. NoScript didn't show any javascripts
that needed to be allowed.

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RE: Soccer

2013-04-21 Thread John Sessoms

and Safari.

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PESO - Flower Details

2013-04-21 Thread Mark C
Still no spring flowers here but a peace lily in the house is blooming 
so I snapped some details of the textures and patterns in it's petal:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/

Permalink:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/floral-detail

K-01, D-FA 100 macro, about 65mm of extension tubes. Probably about 
1.5x. C  C welcomed.


Mark

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Re: Christine meets Christine!

2013-04-21 Thread mike wilson

On 21/04/2013 20:08, Bob W wrote:

On 21 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:


Hi Everyone:

Christine Nielsen and I had a two-woman PDML meet up yesterday in Chicago--lots 
of fun!  Below is a small gallery with captions.  Truth is, we did more talking 
than picture making.  She flew home to Boston this morning, so expect some pics 
from her in the next few days!

Had a blast, Christine.  Looking forward to the next time!

http://www.caguila.com/christinenielsen/index.html


Fantastic. I particularly like the last shot, in the bean.


Do you Chi-towners have a rota to keep it polished?

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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 21, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

 
 On Apr 21, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 
 
 Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 
 
 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely
 into the
 heron now.
 
 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun
 but,
 sadly
 
 You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.
 
 And stop being a tit.
 
 That's my cardinal rule.
 
 Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.
 
 Toucan play at that game.
 
 Owl bet that with a last name like hers, Christine Aquila must be
 paying
 raptor tension to this whole exchange.
 
 As far as replies go, she like mynah lot.
 Despite your raven, they're nothi g to crow about.
 
 And so it goes on PDML, a bunch of punsters robin another perfectly good 
 thread.
 


We only do it in passerine.

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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread kwaller


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- Original Message - 
From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info

Subject: Re: LBA hubris




On Apr 21, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Larry Colen wrote:




Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:




That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely

into the

heron now.


I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun

but,

sadly



You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.



And stop being a tit.


That's my cardinal rule.


Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.


Toucan play at that game.


Owl bet that with a last name like hers, Christine Aquila must be

paying

raptor tension to this whole exchange.


As far as replies go, she like mynah lot.

Despite your raven, they're nothi g to crow about.


And so it goes on PDML, a bunch of punsters robin another perfectly good 
thread.


Don't be too hard on them, its something for them to crow about. 



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Re: Soccer

2013-04-21 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org:

I won an F*250-600/5.6 action on ebay last month, but haven't used  
until today. The reason is that the lens was without the tripod  
mount and it is not very usable without. I will have a tripod mount  
made of aluminum next week and I was using a temporary made of  
plastic today.


So here are some pictures. These are the first taken by me with this  
lens and it is also the first time with a 600mm lens. The  
performance is as expected :-)


https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2D01AE85E70E90E2!147317authkey=!ACqI_e4t2wLUz7Y



Very impressive!  Very sharp with good contrast.

Looks like that's another fine lens that, sadly, I'll never own :-(


(John - no problem seeing the gallery here with Firefox)



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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
The same coffee beans are available all over the world. Beans from Africa, 
India, South America and various other places. You can buy them here in the 
U.S. and in Europe.  I've had expresso in Italy, France, New York. LA, Chicago, 
and Detroit. I've found that it varies most by who makes it rather than where 
one might be. I like espresso and have it from time to time, but I prefer 
American-style brewed coffee. I buy Columbian Supremo beans in bulk -- six 
pounds at a time -- and grind them in a burr grinder right before I use them. I 
never freeze them. I've read that is detrimental. Don't know if it's true. . 
(When I want to splurge I go to a specialty shop where I can get them fresh 
roasted.)  When I have time I make coffee in my Bodum french press. It's rich 
and robust. But I live in a house of coffee drinkers, so most often I make 50 
cups in a commercial restaurant-style percolator. That lasts almost all day. 
It's more than adequate. I'm not big on lattes and the like. The world is full 
of coffee snobs. And BS.

Paul
On Apr 21, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

 
 Brian:
 
 Beware that the roasts that are typically used for espresso and
 derivatives is very different from that in Europe, and I'd say from what
 I had in Sidney (although, probably to a lesser extent).
 After trips to France or Italy, for some 2-4 weeks, I couldn't drink
 esperesso back in the US.
 
 Once, I asked the owner of the coffee cart that had nice coffee
 (compared to what you have in the US) about that difference. She told me 
 that a bunch of people had asked her (it was on UCSD campus, so there were
 many people from Europe or who had travelled to Europe). They tried to
 look for a supplier of a european-style roast, but it would have been
 prohibitively expensive for them to use that coffee, so they never did.
 
 
 Bipin:
 
 Tastes are different, so I wouldn't try to convince you of anything
 different; I am just sharing my point of view.
 In my opinion, the ubiquitous Starbucks (in the US) provides
 mostly consistent average-to-mediocre quality of coffee and a bunch of
 sugary coffee-drinks. None of those drinks stand close to the quality of
 their European counter-parts found in Italy (and, at least for espresso,
 - in France). Typically, local, moms-and-paps coffee shops would
 provide better coffee (with a caveat of possible broader distribution 
 of quality).
 
 I do not patronize Starbucks, unless it's a matter of survival (e.g. 
 need a pastry in lieu of breakfast at a scientific conference, and 
 there is nothing else at the convention center).
 One reason is the quality of coffee, but a more significant reason is
 their predatory practices. 
 
 One example, I observed myself in San Diego downtown around 2005-2008.
 There was a very popular family-owned, coffee shop Cafe Bassam with a nice
 atmosphere http://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-bassam-san-diego .
 I've seen 3 Starbucks that were set up within 0-3 blocks from that one, 
 one being just across the street. It was pleasant to see that nearest
 Starbucks being rather empty on weekend nights, while Bassam was
 crowded. Then, Bassam was forced away to move out. (They still exist,
 but now in uptown.)
 The story I heard, albeit second hand was that when it was time for
 Bassam to renew the lease, Starbucks made an offer that was factor of
 X higher than what was the going rate (I don't know what that X was,
 but somebody said it was between 2 and 3.).
 Bassam couldn't afford that and had to find a new place.
 As far as I know Starbuck never even moved in that place.
 I moved from San Diego right around that time, so I don't know what 
 is there now. Actually, Google Maps street view shows not Startbucks there
 (corner of 4th and Market, 401 Market St, San Diego, CA 92101-6932)
 
 Igor
 
 
 
 Sun Apr 21 14:04:11 EDT 2013
 Bipin Gupta wrote:
 
 Hello David, my wife and me had a Hell of a Coffee time in our (3)
 week trip to Europe. By Hell we mean satan's hell.
 We were served luke warm coffee every where. We would tell the girls
 we wanted our coffee piping hot.
 I don't think they understood piping hot at all - what a shame. So
 we would hunt around for Starbucks, the American chain.
 Oh my what a relief. They understood hot coffee, at last. And a
 Small cup at Starbucks was equal to a Large cup in most European
 coffee joints.
 And TEA in Europe is plain s***.
 I bet you will have lots of fun with coffee in the US, with coffee
 shops located every 25 meters on the streets. And you don't have to
 find good coffee; good coffee will find you.
 Regards.
 Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.
 
 
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Re: OT - Coffee terminology in the USA

2013-04-21 Thread steve harley

on 2013-04-21 12:58 Igor Roshchin wrote

Beware that the roasts that are typically used for espresso and
derivatives is very different from that in Europe, and I'd say from what
I had in Sidney (although, probably to a lesser extent).


what specifically is different and where? there are many roasts available, but 
you may have to look for them; at Happy Coffee, down the block from me, they 
are quite epicurean and like tangy lighter roasts for espresso, which i find 
interesting but not my everyday taste; more traditional (in US) is a fairly 
dark roast, but maybe of a medium-bodied bean; for years i've been trying 
different things a bag at a time; in an Aeropress i think i'm settling on a 
robust bean at a medium roast




I do not patronize Starbucks, unless it's a matter of survival (e.g.
need a pastry in lieu of breakfast at a scientific conference, and
there is nothing else at the convention center).
One reason is the quality of coffee, but a more significant reason is
their predatory practices.


me too


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Re: PESO - Busted Couple

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 21/4/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17187723size=lg

I think you made good use of the light, and composed them well.

He looks a bit like Louis XV, but I wouldn't bet on it. I think she is
Sophie Arnould, who was an actress and opera singer, and obviously
therefore needed a good pair of lungs.

Nonsense. He is non other than Lt Co. Data

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s112/ajlobster/Hollow%20Pursuits/
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Re: LBA hubris

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Cottrell

 That never occurs to me on a photo walk when I am completely
 into the
 heron now.

 I'm positively chaffinch at the bit to find another bird pun
 but,
 sadly

 You just have to learn how to live life with no egrets.

 And stop being a tit.

 That's my cardinal rule.

 Cardinal?  No-one could call you pheasant class, then.

 Toucan play at that game.

 Owl bet that with a last name like hers, Christine Aquila must be
 paying
 raptor tension to this whole exchange.

 As far as replies go, she like mynah lot.
 Despite your raven, they're nothi g to crow about.

 And so it goes on PDML, a bunch of punsters robin another perfectly good 
 thread.

Don't be too hard on them, its something for them to crow about. 

It's not your tern, you bustard.


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OT: Poem

2013-04-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I saw a man pursuing the horizon
by Stephen Crane

I saw a man pursuing the horizon;
Round and round they sped.
I was disturbed at this;
I accosted the man.
It is futile, I said,
You can never-

You lie, he cried,
And ran on.

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