Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
In a message dated 4/26/2007 9:45:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Used to be the USDA certified meant something, now it means nothing at all. All too true. Marnie aka Doe :-( - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
In a message dated 4/26/2007 5:46:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for my roast beef sandwich. Most appreciated! Shel I hope you've eaten it by now. Beef keeps a while, but not that long. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
Yes, but was she producing more milk?
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Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/04/26 Thu PM 06:06:09 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America. I wonder how Mad Cow got into the european supply? Give yer head a shake Bob. We've had several BSE cases in Western Canada over the past couple of years, and if you think with the way our two country's beef industries are integrated you haven't had a few yourself, you are kidding yourself. The major difference between the way our ranchers differ from yours with the way they deal with downers is that your guys shoot em and bury them (the 3 Esses (shoot, shovel and shut up)), while our guys tend to be stupid and get caught. _Allegedly_ , BSE is known as JCB in France. It was only in the last decade (after the major BSE incident in Britain) that feeding ruminant based feed back to cattle was outlawed. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? and 3. How's the Bokeh ? Is that served on the side? Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
That's what the tinned stuff is ( although my Mum's are much nicer) I have them on my sandwich at work almost every day. Cheers, Dave On 4/26/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Yep, it's the same stuff. Also, roasted fresh beets go great with any roast meat, as well as Harvard beets. It's a much underrated vegetable. I tend to think of it as the local equivalent of the dill pickle (which aren't that popular here). Try pickling some of those beets sometime. They are quite good that way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On 4/26/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich P. J. Alling wrote: I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics because of their overuse in livestock. Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger. It's a vicious circle too, since most of the antibiotics get pissed out, find their way into the ground water and bugger things up royally, by both killing desirable microbes, and causing both good and bad to mutate into things less than desirable. Which led to the Canon digital camera Dave William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? and 3. How's the Bokeh ? Is that served on the side? Yes. You'll love it once you're exposed it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? and 3. How's the Bokeh ? Is that served on the side? Yes. You'll love it once you're exposed it. A little background information helps also. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? and 3. How's the Bokeh ? Is that served on the side? Should be - Yes. You'll love it once you're exposed to it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
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Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
In a message dated 4/27/2007 9:53:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich On 4/26/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? and 3. How's the Bokeh ? Is that served on the side? Should be - Yes. You'll love it once you're exposed to it. I shutter to think what bad bokeh might taste like. = It's probably too sharp. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings, gravy, and roast potatoes. -- Bob Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be imported to the EU and as for British beef -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31 To: PDML Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Well, MIke, that's not quite correct. Some of it is, and many of us here won't eat it either. But there is a lot of beef that is not treated with antibiotics, hormones, steroids, and which is not produced by being raised in crowded feedlots in stinking conditions. One just has to know where to buy their beef ... Personally, I won't touch regular supermarket beef, and will even go so far as to avoid organic beef produced by large corporate ranching operations. Hell, I don't even feed a lot of American meat or poultry to my cats. And remember, it was you Brits who helped start the American beef industry .. LOL Shel [Original Message] From: mike wilson Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be imported to the EU and as for British beef -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for my roast beef sandwich. Most appreciated! Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On Apr 26, 2007, at 7:42, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for my roast beef sandwich. Most appreciated! We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org I am riding in the MS-TRAM this summer. Please consider sponsoring me! http://charles.robinsontwins.org/mstram.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] And remember, it was you Brits who helped start the American beef industry .. LOL That's like blaming the Chinese for WWI. 8-) Suprisingly, there has never been an case of BSE in a British beef herd because the disease does not present symptoms until the animal is some years old. Does that make me think that British beef is BSE free? Have a guess. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? and 3. How's the Bokeh ? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich On Apr 26, 2007, at 7:42, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for my roast beef sandwich. Most appreciated! We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. mike wilson wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings, gravy, and roast potatoes. -- Bob Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be imported to the EU and as for British beef -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31 To: PDML Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/04/26 Thu PM 02:33:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? and 3. How's the Bokeh ? Full of little doughnuts. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich On Apr 26, 2007, at 7:42, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for my roast beef sandwich. Most appreciated! We're all waiting for: 1. Photos! 2. Sandwich Report - how'd it turn out? How'd you like it? -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. mike wilson wrote: From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings, gravy, and roast potatoes. -- Bob Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be imported to the EU and as for British beef That's a bunch of bull. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point the finger at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays it is
readily available on every high street and significantly cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
--
Bob
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Sent: 26 April 2007 15:39
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I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings,
gravy, and
roast potatoes.
--
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Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American
beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be
imported to the EU and as for British beef
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Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31
To: PDML
Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on
the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart
from
one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've
eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but never a
roast beef
sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very
nice looking
roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices
of bread.
However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that
roast beef goes
well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I
haven't a clue.
What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a
nice, tasty roast
beef sandwich.
Thanks for any and all ideas,
Shel
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RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:26:19 +0100
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point the finger at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays it is
readily available on every high street and significantly cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
--
Bob
I've recently had a casual look at EU standards of the kind you're talking
about. It seems to generally be a reasoned logical approach to protecting
the citizens.
I believe our regulations over here are generally designed as a compromise
between the interests of big business and the citizens' health. Of course
the sooner we kick the can, the less the government pays out in social
security benefits and Medicare. I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but I
wonder what the politicians eat.
Tom C.
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Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I'm not going to start an argument. but there could have been other
factors involved. One of which could be how old your friend was. I've
seen some pretty hairy Europeans...
Bob W wrote:
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point the finger at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays it is
readily available on every high street and significantly cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
--
Bob
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Behalf Of P. J. Alling
Sent: 26 April 2007 15:39
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I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings,
gravy, and
roast potatoes.
--
Bob
Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American
beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be
imported to the EU and as for British beef
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31
To: PDML
Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on
the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart
from
one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've
eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but never a
roast beef
sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very
nice looking
roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices
of bread.
However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that
roast beef goes
well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I
haven't a clue.
What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a
nice, tasty roast
beef sandwich.
Thanks for any and all ideas,
Shel
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RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Unfortunately, a lot of our standards are essentially created by
corporate interests and lobbying. There was a time when an Organic label
here really meant something, but a few years ago the standards were reduced
and, for many items, there's not much difference between organic and
regular food items, be they produce, dairy, or meat. What one must do is
look for more than the USDA organic label on their food. In California,
for example, we have CCOF - California Certified Organic Farmers or some
such similar, or do some research and find out who the good guys are and
which companies are, literally and figuratively, full of crap.
Many of the smaller, independent companies have been purchased by larger
companies, and this, plus the reduction of USDA Organic standards, has left
the consumer to be ripped off. Here's but one example of what I mean:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/feedlots060905.cfm
Today the consumer must carefully read labels and become better informed.
The USDA is worthless in many situations.
Shel
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From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Date: 4/26/2007 10:24:53 AM
Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point the finger at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays it is
readily available on every high street and significantly cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
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Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Tom C wrote: I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but I wonder what the politicians eat. Soylent Green -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America.
I wonder how Mad Cow got into the european supply?
Regards, Bob S.
On 4/26/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point the finger at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays it is
readily available on every high street and significantly cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
--
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Sent: 26 April 2007 15:39
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Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings,
gravy, and
roast potatoes.
--
Bob
Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American
beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be
imported to the EU and as for British beef
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31
To: PDML
Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on
the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart
from
one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've
eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but never a
roast beef
sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very
nice looking
roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices
of bread.
However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that
roast beef goes
well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I
haven't a clue.
What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a
nice, tasty roast
beef sandwich.
Thanks for any and all ideas,
Shel
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Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Well, our standards are laxer than ever, although we had them when
Europeans had none at all. Used to be the USDA certified meant
something, now it means nothing at all. Like most of the consumer
protectionism of decades past it has been diluted by industry lobbying
until it is a delusion for the consumer to believe in.
Most of us Americans think the laws are there to protect us, when they
are really to protect prices. Label something organic and charge
double for it when the only real difference is the label. We use
nothing but the purest organic chemical additives. GRIN!
Bob W wrote:
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point the finger at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays it is
readily available on every high street and significantly cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of P. J. Alling
Sent: 26 April 2007 15:39
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Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings,
gravy, and
roast potatoes.
--
Bob
Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American
beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be
imported to the EU and as for British beef
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31
To: PDML
Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on
the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart
from
one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've
eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but never a
roast beef
sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very
nice looking
roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices
of bread.
However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that
roast beef goes
well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I
haven't a clue.
What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a
nice, tasty roast
beef sandwich.
Thanks for any and all ideas,
Shel
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RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
pretty simple, really. It's a result of the greed of the agribusiness
conglomerates who don't give a shit about food quality and only care
about profit. These are the same people who are force-feeding you in
America with equal quantities of shit food and black propaganda.
Fortunately our consumer lobby is strong enough to recognise a problem
when it bites them on the arse, and to do something about it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: 26 April 2007 17:27
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Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America.
I wonder how Mad Cow got into the european supply?
Regards, Bob S.
On 4/26/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to
use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards
for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food
conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism
going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point the finger
at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more
stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the
public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a
friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in
recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the
time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you
used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by
beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays it
is
readily available on every high street and significantly
cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
--
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of P. J. Alling
Sent: 26 April 2007 15:39
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings,
gravy, and
roast potatoes.
--
Bob
Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American
beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be
imported to the EU and as for British beef
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31
To: PDML
Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on
the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles.
Apart
from
one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich.
I've
eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but never a
roast beef
sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very
nice looking
roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two
slices
of bread.
However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that
roast beef goes
well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I
haven't a clue.
What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a
nice, tasty roast
beef sandwich.
Thanks for any and all ideas,
Shel
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Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
P. J. Alling wrote: I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics because of their overuse in livestock. Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
So that consumer lobby and european standards protected your food
supply from Mad Cow?Regards, Bob S.
On 4/26/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pretty simple, really. It's a result of the greed of the agribusiness
conglomerates who don't give a shit about food quality and only care
about profit. These are the same people who are force-feeding you in
America with equal quantities of shit food and black propaganda.
Fortunately our consumer lobby is strong enough to recognise a problem
when it bites them on the arse, and to do something about it.
--
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Sullivan
Sent: 26 April 2007 17:27
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America.
I wonder how Mad Cow got into the european supply?
Regards, Bob S.
On 4/26/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries to
use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap. Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the standards
for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food
conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism
going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point the finger
at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more
stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the
public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a
friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier ('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in
recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the
time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you
used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by
beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays it
is
readily available on every high street and significantly
cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
--
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of P. J. Alling
Sent: 26 April 2007 15:39
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings,
gravy, and
roast potatoes.
--
Bob
Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American
beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be
imported to the EU and as for British beef
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31
To: PDML
Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on
the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles.
Apart
from
one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich.
I've
eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but never a
roast beef
sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very
nice looking
roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two
slices
of bread.
However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that
roast beef goes
well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I
haven't a clue.
What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a
nice, tasty roast
beef sandwich.
Thanks for any and all ideas,
Shel
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Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
I think that's an issue after the fact. Although I could be wrong about that. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics because of their overuse in livestock. Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger. -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
P. J. Alling wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics because of their overuse in livestock. Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger. I think that's an issue after the fact. Although I could be wrong about that. I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the only way of addressing the problem is to prohibit and/or discourage the routine use of antibiotics in animal feed. You can do so by banning its use within your own country and prohibiting importation of meat from countries that don't ban it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
But made from only the finest Italian virgins... (See Re: OT help with print spooler. for further explanation). Christian wrote: Tom C wrote: I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but I wonder what the politicians eat. Soylent Green -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
What I'm saying is that I don't think your point valid as it may be, had much to do with the EU's original rational for prohibition of US beef. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics because of their overuse in livestock. Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger. I think that's an issue after the fact. Although I could be wrong about that. I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the only way of addressing the problem is to prohibit and/or discourage the routine use of antibiotics in animal feed. You can do so by banning its use within your own country and prohibiting importation of meat from countries that don't ban it. -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich P. J. Alling wrote: I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics because of their overuse in livestock. Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger. It's a vicious circle too, since most of the antibiotics get pissed out, find their way into the ground water and bugger things up royally, by both killing desirable microbes, and causing both good and bad to mutate into things less than desirable. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
No, obviously not. But when it happened we were able to do something
about it, and we're able to learn from our mistakes. I've noticed that
in the USA, on the other hand, corporate interests seem to override
the interests of consumers in almost all situations where there is a
clash. This doesn't just apply to food, it applies to the environment,
transport, food, guns, you name it. You live in a corporate state
where the interests of big business nearly always outweigh the
interests of the individual.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Sullivan
Sent: 26 April 2007 18:15
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Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
So that consumer lobby and european standards protected your food
supply from Mad Cow?Regards, Bob S.
On 4/26/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
pretty simple, really. It's a result of the greed of the
agribusiness
conglomerates who don't give a shit about food quality and only
care
about profit. These are the same people who are force-feeding you
in
America with equal quantities of shit food and black propaganda.
Fortunately our consumer lobby is strong enough to
recognise a problem
when it bites them on the arse, and to do something about it.
--
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Sullivan
Sent: 26 April 2007 17:27
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America.
I wonder how Mad Cow got into the european supply?
Regards, Bob S.
On 4/26/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so much for not inflammatory!
There are, as usual, several agendas going on. The USA tries
to
use
the WTO to force Europeans to take all their crap.
Europe is about
standards, including stuff like food contents, and the
standards
for
Europe do not include a lot of the crap that the US food
conglomerates
feed to you unfortunates. Perhaps there is some protectionism
going
on, but the USA is really not in any position to point
the finger
at
others in that regard.
But it is certainly true that American meat tends to be more
stuffed
full of that sort of crap than ours - the figures are in the
public
domain. I have personally seen the effects of this on a
friend of mine
who came back from a year in the USA considerably hairier
('down
South') than she was before she left!
The important thing though is consumer education and
awareness and
forcing the producers and retailers to label things
correctly and
openly. Standards have improved enormously over here in
recent years,
and more and more crap is being removed from our food all the
time.
I've been buying organic food since the early 1980s - you
used to have
to struggle to get it, going to out-of-the-way shops run by
beardies
and hippies, and paying a real premium price for it. Nowadays
it
is
readily available on every high street and significantly
cheaper than
it used to be (although still more expensive than the crap).
--
Bob
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of P. J. Alling
Sent: 26 April 2007 15:39
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef
Sandwich
I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how
much is hidden
protectionism.
mike wilson wrote:
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/04/25 Wed PM 06:58:06 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast
Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings,
gravy, and
roast potatoes.
--
Bob
Better still, feed it to someone you don't like. American
beef is so full of hormones and antibiotics it can't be
imported to the EU and as for British beef
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31
To: PDML
Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef
Sandwich
OK gang, this may be one of the strangest
questions asked on
the PDML in
quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles.
Apart
from
one
sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich.
I've
eaten a wide
variety of food in many different countries, but never a
roast beef
sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of
very
nice looking
roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich What I'm saying is that I don't think your point valid as it may be, had much to do with the EU's original rational for prohibition of US beef. Counter-protectionism. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 26/4/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed: Tom C wrote: I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but I wonder what the politicians eat. Soylent Green Actually Soylent Brown (q.v.) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Well, at least no prions in the beef supply here in N. America. I wonder how Mad Cow got into the european supply? Give yer head a shake Bob. We've had several BSE cases in Western Canada over the past couple of years, and if you think with the way our two country's beef industries are integrated you haven't had a few yourself, you are kidding yourself. The major difference between the way our ranchers differ from yours with the way they deal with downers is that your guys shoot em and bury them (the 3 Esses (shoot, shovel and shut up)), while our guys tend to be stupid and get caught. It was only in the last decade (after the major BSE incident in Britain) that feeding ruminant based feed back to cattle was outlawed. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Give yer head a shake Bob. We've had several BSE cases in Western Canada over the past couple of years, and if you think with the way our two country's beef industries are integrated you haven't had a few yourself, you are kidding yourself. The major difference between the way our ranchers differ from yours with the way they deal with downers is that your guys shoot em and bury them (the 3 Esses (shoot, shovel and shut up)), while our guys tend to be stupid and get caught. It was only in the last decade (after the major BSE incident in Britain) that feeding ruminant based feed back to cattle was outlawed. William Robb I've recently learned that the bovine population of the USA is not the least worried about getting Mad Cow Disease. They all think they're chipmunks. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, obviously not. But when it happened we were able to do something about it, and we're able to learn from our mistakes. I've noticed that in the USA, on the other hand, corporate interests seem to override the interests of consumers in almost all situations where there is a clash. This doesn't just apply to food, it applies to the environment, transport, food, guns, you name it. You live in a corporate state where the interests of big business nearly always outweigh the interests of the individual. -- Bob Unless you're the individual(s) running the corporate state. See how democracy works? People are elected to represent you and then they run off representing themselves instead. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's a vicious circle too, since most of the antibiotics get pissed out, find their way into the ground water and bugger things up royally, by both killing desirable microbes, and causing both good and bad to mutate into things less than desirable. William Robb Live and Let Die? Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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They are chipmunks Tom, we just fed them steroids. Regards, Bob S. On 4/26/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give yer head a shake Bob. We've had several BSE cases in Western Canada over the past couple of years, and if you think with the way our two country's beef industries are integrated you haven't had a few yourself, you are kidding yourself. The major difference between the way our ranchers differ from yours with the way they deal with downers is that your guys shoot em and bury them (the 3 Esses (shoot, shovel and shut up)), while our guys tend to be stupid and get caught. It was only in the last decade (after the major BSE incident in Britain) that feeding ruminant based feed back to cattle was outlawed. William Robb I've recently learned that the bovine population of the USA is not the least worried about getting Mad Cow Disease. They all think they're chipmunks. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ahh! Thought it tasted a little funny. Tom C. From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:19:41 -0500 They are chipmunks Tom, we just fed them steroids. Regards, Bob S. On 4/26/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Give yer head a shake Bob. We've had several BSE cases in Western Canada over the past couple of years, and if you think with the way our two country's beef industries are integrated you haven't had a few yourself, you are kidding yourself. The major difference between the way our ranchers differ from yours with the way they deal with downers is that your guys shoot em and bury them (the 3 Esses (shoot, shovel and shut up)), while our guys tend to be stupid and get caught. It was only in the last decade (after the major BSE incident in Britain) that feeding ruminant based feed back to cattle was outlawed. William Robb I've recently learned that the bovine population of the USA is not the least worried about getting Mad Cow Disease. They all think they're chipmunks. ;-) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Now lets think of things in a different way. In the UK they don't allow antibiotics in the cattle feed. In the US they do. Now, remind me again, who is having the problem with diseased animals? But personally, I think the mad cows should be given free psychiatric care. A psychiatrist in every feed lot is my model. -graywolf Mark Roberts wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the only way of addressing the problem is to prohibit and/or discourage the routine use of antibiotics in animal feed. You can do so by banning its use within your own country and prohibiting importation of meat from countries that don't ban it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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graywolf wrote: Now lets think of things in a different way. In the UK they don't allow antibiotics in the cattle feed. In the US they do. Now, remind me again, who is having the problem with diseased animals? The reason for not allowing antibiotics has nothing to do with diseased animals (and antibiotics have no effect on viruses or prions anyway). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 26/4/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: Now lets think of things in a different way. In the UK they don't allow antibiotics in the cattle feed. In the US they do. Now, remind me again, who is having the problem with diseased animals? Not us. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That's not the issue, but, rather, an issue. Shel [Original Message] From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 4/26/2007 10:41:00 AM Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich P. J. Alling wrote: I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics because of their overuse in livestock. Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
A psychiatrist in every feed lot is my model. that's the most sensible thing you've ever written, and I sincerely hope Mark! is paying close attention. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 26 April 2007 22:05 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Now lets think of things in a different way. In the UK they don't allow antibiotics in the cattle feed. In the US they do. Now, remind me again, who is having the problem with diseased animals? But personally, I think the mad cows should be given free psychiatric care. A psychiatrist in every feed lot is my model. -graywolf Mark Roberts wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the only way of addressing the problem is to prohibit and/or discourage the routine use of antibiotics in animal feed. You can do so by banning its use within your own country and prohibiting importation of meat from countries that don't ban it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Gee guys, Figure it out. The middle of North America is filled with farms growing corn and soy beans. Exporting these grains isn't very profitable, and we haven't figured out how to turn it into gasoline yet, so we these grains to cattle and grow these higher value products instead. Other parts of the world don't have the cheap grains to grow beef, but they have some growers of high cost meat. To protect these local agricultural industries, they need to impose barriers of some kind. I have no problem with this. But stop with the silly, self-rightous puffing about how superiour Europe is vs N. America. When the UK government and sheep industry had the first inklings of prions, you stopped feeding sheep brains/parts to your own cattle but shipped it off as feed to other countries. No profit motive in that and surely the high road morally. 5 years later you were culling your cattle herds for Mad Cow and other countries had it as well. Regards, Bob S. On 4/26/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the issue, but, rather, an issue. Shel [Original Message] From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: 4/26/2007 10:41:00 AM Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich P. J. Alling wrote: I wonder how much of that is real health concerns and how much is hidden protectionism. The issue is bacterial diseases building resistance to antibiotics because of their overuse in livestock. Antibiotic-resistant diseases are a big problem and getting bigger. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
- Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich They are chipmunks Tom, we just fed them steroids. So why aren'ty they called Big Rockys? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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They are chipmunks Tom, we just fed them steroids. So why aren'ty they called Big Rockys? William Robb You tell me Bullwinkle! Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Mustard and horseradish both work well with roast beef. I'd toss some cheese on there, preferably something with a little 'tang', maybe aged Swiss. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't eat a lot of roast beef, mostly just turkey. I am impressed that you can remember the *year* you last had one though :) http://www.pbs.org/everydayfood/recipes/roast_beef.html have fun! Russ On 4/25/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Legacy Air, Inc. 11900 Airport Way Broomfield Colorado 80021 (303) 404-0277 fax (303) 404-0280 www.legacy-air.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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My favorite: Rye bread, Russian dressing, roast beef, a slice of Swiss cheese, topped with cole slaw. Messy but delectable! Rick --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I like black pepper and a smidge of mayo. If its from a store, i'l throw a slice of lettuce on it. If its from a left over roast in the oven at home, no lettuce. Dave On 4/25/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Do you have to wait a 1/2 hour before touching a camera with that sandwich, Rick. LOL Dave On 4/25/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My favorite: Rye bread, Russian dressing, roast beef, a slice of Swiss cheese, topped with cole slaw. Messy but delectable! Rick --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm partial to roast beef on rye with mayo, horseradish and pickles. A thin slice of cheddar is also good. Ditto, very thin onion slices. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On a nice fresh crusty roll (or a portion of a French stick): - Cream cheese (or mayonnaise, or both) - Hot or wholegrain mustard (depends on my mood) - My mothers home made tomato relish or cauliflower pickle (could be hard to find in the US :-) - Roast beef - Beetroot (A very Australian addition. I prefer my Mum's homemade stuff to the tinned variety.) - Fresh tomato (and/or sun dried if it's in) - Grated carrot - Shredded lettuce - A good matured/semi-matured cheddar cheese - A few slices of dill pickle That's my full on roast beef sandwich. If the meat is really nicely flavoured sometimes I'll just have it with mayo, cheese fresh bread. Cheers, Dave On 4/25/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel Definitely horseradish. But don't buy horseradish sauce. Get the real thing. Mind if I come over and help you finish it off? -- Scott Loveless www.twosixteen.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Paul's suggestion is pretty much my choice, too. Use rye bread w/caraway seeds. I'm not a fan of straight horseradish, so I mix it w/the mayo to get a tangy spread, change the cheddar to colby-jack cheese, no pickles on the sandwich, but a really good kosher dill on the side. Onions...definitely. -P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm partial to roast beef on rye with mayo, horseradish and pickles. A thin slice of cheddar is also good. Ditto, very thin onion slices. Paul -- Original message -- From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Warm the roast beef, slice a soft but toasted crust ciabatta bread roll, a touch of salt and pepper, a sprinkle of shredded swiss cheese, maybe a touch of mayo... mmm, satori. ;-) G On Apr 25, 2007, at 5:31 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
This isn't a camera list, is it? It's a culinary society with a Pentax addiction. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Wasn't it Pentax that came out with the pancake lens? Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi This isn't a camera list, is it? It's a culinary society with a Pentax addiction. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On 4/25/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't a camera list, is it? It's a culinary society with a Pentax addiction. Too true. I've been a lover of food longer than I've been interested in Pentax. (as my waistline will attest :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Wasn't it Pentax that came out with the pancake lens? That was Nikon (40mm/2.8 GN). William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
No; I can lick my fingers in just 90 seconds! --- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have to wait a 1/2 hour before touching a camera with that sandwich, Rick. LOL Dave On 4/25/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My favorite: Rye bread, Russian dressing, roast beef, a slice of Swiss cheese, topped with cole slaw. Messy but delectable! Rick --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Throw away the bread and have it with Yorkshire puddings, gravy, and roast potatoes. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 25 April 2007 13:31 To: PDML Subject: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Not roast beef, but very nice. Left over roast lamb and tomato sauce (ketchup), doesnt sound great, but is reallu nice :) very australian! Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Almost anything goes well with roast beef. I was going to say, but peanut butter, then I remember this really good hot and sour beef with peanuts dish I had at a Chinese restaurant once. Roast beef has a strong enough flavor that you are not likely to drown it out even with spicy mustard and onions. Some sharp cheese, greens, tomato, pumpernickel bread, darn I am getting hungry... -graywolf Shel Belinkoff wrote: OK gang, this may be one of the strangest questions asked on the PDML in quite a while, and might give the list a few chuckles. Apart from one sandwich in 1957, I've never had a roast beef sandwich. I've eaten a wide variety of food in many different countries, but never a roast beef sandwich. Yesterday I was gifted with a half pound of very nice looking roast beef, nicely sliced, and ready to go between two slices of bread. However, I haven't a clue about a dressing. I recall that roast beef goes well with horseradish, maybe mustard, but beyond that I haven't a clue. What dressings and accompaniments might you suggest for a nice, tasty roast beef sandwich. Thanks for any and all ideas, Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
On 4/26/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a nice fresh crusty roll (or a portion of a French stick): - Cream cheese (or mayonnaise, or both) - Hot or wholegrain mustard (depends on my mood) - My mothers home made tomato relish or cauliflower pickle (could be hard to find in the US :-) - Roast beef - Beetroot (A very Australian addition. I prefer my Mum's homemade stuff to the tinned variety.) Dave, is the beetroot you refer to the same as what we call Beets here in the US? Purple color on the outside and sometimes all purple when it has been processed and canned? Yep, it's the same stuff. Also, roasted fresh beets go great with any roast meat, as well as Harvard beets. It's a much underrated vegetable. When I was in NZ years ago I was surprised to find beets on my hamburger purchased at a small fast food shop. Different but tasty :-) I tend to think of it as the local equivalent of the dill pickle (which aren't that popular here). It's odd to some, but it's addition truly makes a sandwich IMHO. The Australian Burger King McDonald's have burgers on their menu with beetroot to cater to the local taste for it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
Walter Hamler wrote: Dave, is the beetroot you refer to the same as what we call Beets here in the US? Purple color on the outside and sometimes all purple when it has been processed and canned? When I was in NZ years ago I was surprised to find beets on my hamburger purchased at a small fast food shop. Different but tasty :-) Walt Hi Walt, Yup - one and the same. Great on hamburgers, and bacon-and-egg sandwiches too. H... just about lunch time here... :-) Ciao, Peter in western Sydney. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: Re: WAY OT, but not inflamatory: Roast Beef Sandwich Yep, it's the same stuff. Also, roasted fresh beets go great with any roast meat, as well as Harvard beets. It's a much underrated vegetable. I tend to think of it as the local equivalent of the dill pickle (which aren't that popular here). Try pickling some of those beets sometime. They are quite good that way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
