[PHP] Re: php-general Digest 20 Sep 2013 17:33:26 -0000 Issue 8369
On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:33 PM, php-general-digest-h...@lists.php.net wrote: Friday's Question 322111 by: Tedd Sperling -- From: Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com Subject: Friday's Question Date: September 20, 2013 12:51:49 PM EDT To: php-general@lists.php.net Hi gang: Do you use a Mousepad? My reason for asking is that I've used a Mousepad ever since mice first came out (back when they had one ball). Now that mice are optical (no balls), Mousepads are not really needed -- or so I'll told by the college -- you see, they don't provide Mousepads for their student's computers. As such, I wondered what's the percentage of programmers still using a Mousepad? Secondly, are Mousepads used primarily by older programmers (like me) while younger programmers don't use Mousepads, or what? So -- please respond with: Age: * Mousepad: Yes/No Thank you, tedd PS: * If you don't want to provide your actual age, then indicate your age by stating young, middle-age, old-age, ancient, or whatever term describes your age. Alternate -- I claim that you can tell a man's age by ten-times the number of personal products he routinely uses, for example: Years Old - Personal Products 10Toothpaste 20Toothpaste, Deodorant 30Toothpaste, Deodorant, Aftershave 40Toothpaste, Deodorant, Aftershave, Minoxidil 50Toothpaste, Deodorant, Aftershave, Minoxidil, Preparation-H 60Toothpaste, Deodorant, Aftershave, Minoxidil, Preparation-H, Bag Bomb 70Toothpaste, Deodorant, Aftershave, Minoxidil, Preparation-H, Bag Bomb, Fixodent So, you could indicate age by stating Bag Bomb like me. ___ tedd sperling t...@sperling.com Age: 72 years, 7 days toothpaste, deodorant, aftershave. Don't need the rest, yet. Mousepad: Yes. I find it easier to clean the mousepad than to try to clean the keyboard tray/desktop/whatever. -= Bill =- -- A day without sunshine is like a day in Seattle.
[PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Grant in php.general (Thu, 5 Sep 2013 03:47:55 -0700): I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a php bug: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 Is this a known issue? Is there anything I can do? Could you test if your problems are solved when you use the latest opcache from github? https://github.com/zendtech/ZendOptimizerPlus Jan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a php bug: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 - Grant Is this a known issue? - Grant Is there anything I can do? - Grant -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Just so that you know, I've posted in the forum topic as well:
http://forum.piwik.org/read.php?2,105879
Regards,
Daniel Fenn
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Jan Ehrhardt wrote:
Could you try to add a function_exists check to
libs/upgradephp/upgrade.php?
This at the function declaration of _json_encode:
if (!function_exists('_json_encode')) { function _json_encode($var, ...
And a extra } at the end.
This patch, together with upgrading to the latest OPcache from github
solved my segfaults and fatal errors.
Jan - could you post the solution on http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093
- better that you get the credit than one of us pinch it ;)
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[PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Grant in php.general (Sun, 25 Aug 2013 02:31:29 -0700):
I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the
opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a
php bug:
http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093
Could you try to add a function_exists check to
libs/upgradephp/upgrade.php?
This at the function declaration of _json_encode:
if (!function_exists('_json_encode')) { function _json_encode($var, ...
And a extra } at the end.
This seemed to correct this fatal error on my side:
[02-Sep-2013 10:35:40 Europe/Paris] PHP Fatal error: Cannot redeclare
_json_encode() (previously declared in
/usr/local/lib/php/share/piwik/libs/upgradephp/upgrade.php:109) in
/usr/local/lib/php/share/piwik/libs/upgradephp/upgrade.php on line 109
I do not know what opcache has to do with it, although I suspect that
Piwik is calling itself a lot of times and that opcache is trailing
behind (or something like that).
Jan
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[PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Jan Ehrhardt in php.general (Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:57:14 +0200):
Could you try to add a function_exists check to
libs/upgradephp/upgrade.php?
This at the function declaration of _json_encode:
if (!function_exists('_json_encode')) { function _json_encode($var, ...
And a extra } at the end.
This patch, together with upgrading to the latest OPcache from github
solved my segfaults and fatal errors.
Jan
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Jan Ehrhardt wrote:
Could you try to add a function_exists check to
libs/upgradephp/upgrade.php?
This at the function declaration of _json_encode:
if (!function_exists('_json_encode')) { function _json_encode($var, ...
And a extra } at the end.
This patch, together with upgrading to the latest OPcache from github
solved my segfaults and fatal errors.
Jan - could you post the solution on http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 -
better that you get the credit than one of us pinch it ;)
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[PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a php bug: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 - Grant Is this a known issue? - Grant -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Grant wrote: I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a php bug: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 Is this a known issue? I'm running my own port of piwik in production with eaccelerator on 5.4 but I've made the decision not to move any of the machines to 5.5 until all of the legacy 5.2 machines have been brought up to 5.4. Not an answer, but explains perhaps why the problem is not being seen by others. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Lester Caine in php.general (Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:59:18 +0100): Grant wrote: I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a php bug: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 Is this a known issue? (...) Not an answer, but explains perhaps why the problem is not being seen by others. It is more likely that users do not notice it. I have Piwik running with PHP 5.3 and php_opcache.dll (Centos 5) and it segfaults: [Sun Sep 01 17:06:53.131410 2013] [core:notice] [pid 25411] AH00052: child pid 25451 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Sun Sep 01 17:08:18.561917 2013] [core:notice] [pid 25411] AH00052: child pid 25453 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Sun Sep 01 17:08:19.569714 2013] [core:notice] [pid 25411] AH00052: child pid 25450 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) However, nothing special is displaying on the page. You have to grep your Apache error_log to know that it happens. How did you notice? Jan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Grant in php.general (Sun, 1 Sep 2013 02:13:54 -0700): I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a php bug: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 Is this a known issue? I changed the PHP on my (dev) Centos5 server to PHP 5.5.3, pulled the latest OPcache from Github and tried to get a segfault. That was clearly visible when I tried to access the Goals tab in the dashboard of one of my websites. The page never got further than 'Loading data...' and my Apache log showed a segfault. So, if it was no known issue it is confirmed now. Jan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] RE: php seg faults on creation pdf
Hi, Some more info. I ran gdb on the core file (after reinstalling with debug mode): # /usr/local/gdb/bin/gdb /usr/local/php5/bin/php-cgi /opt/apache/htdocs/wachtlijst/core GNU gdb (GDB) 7.6 Copyright (C) 2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type show copying and show warranty for details. This GDB was configured as i386-pc-solaris2.10. For bug reporting instructions, please see: http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/... Reading symbols from /usr/local/php5/bin/php-cgi...done. [New LWP 1] [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 1 (LWP 1)] Core was generated by `/usr/local/php5/bin/php-cgi /opt/apache/htdocs/wachtlijst/test.php'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. #0 0x0093baa4 in _object_and_properties_init (arg=error reading variable: Cannot access memory at address 0xffd8, arg@entry=error reading variable: Cannot access memory at address 0x8, class_type=error reading variable: Cannot access memory at address 0xffd0, class_type@entry=error reading variable: Cannot access memory at address 0x8, properties=error reading variable: Cannot access memory at address 0xffc8, properties@entry=error reading variable: Cannot access memory at address 0x8) at /export/home/coenenka/php-5.5.1/Zend/zend_API.c:1200 1200 Z_OBJVAL_P(arg) = class_type-create_object(class_type TSRMLS_CC); Does anyone see anything in this? The dir /export/home/coenenka is not the install dir (but my home drive) and I have no clue why it is referencing to that dir (it is the location of the source). Greetings, Kas From: kascoe...@hotmail.com To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: php seg faults on creation pdf Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:00:29 +0200 Hi, When surfing to a website that generates a pdf the apache server segfaults. This made me run the script (that generates the pdf) with the php cli command. The php also segfaults with the same error: # /usr/local/php5/bin/php-cgi test.php Segmentation Fault (core dumped) Pstack output: # pstack core core 'core' of 726: /usr/local/php5/bin/php-cgi test.php 00960af5 _object_and_properties_init () + 111 I attached the truss output to the mail. I am running this on a solaris server: # uname -a SunOS zone-eu4 5.10 Generic_142910-17 i86pc i386 i86pc # cat /etc/release Oracle Solaris 10 9/10 s10x_u9wos_14a X86 Copyright (c) 2010, Oracle and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved. Assembled 11 August 2010 pdflib module is 2.1.10. PDFlib lite is version 7.0.5. I tried to compile everything in 64 bit. I suspect the problem is that somewhere a 32bit lib or executable is being used instead of a 64bit. Can anyone help me out on this? Kind regards, Kas -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
2013/8/22 David Harkness davi...@highgearmedia.com On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.comwrote: Sebastian Krebs wrote: Actually the problem is, that the dot . is already in use. With $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method bar() on the object $foo, or if you want to concatenate the value of $foo to the result of the function bar(). There is no other way around this than a different operator for method calls. I didn't think of that. It seems to me there could be an easier operator than - which sometimes will make me stop and look at what keys I'm trying to hit. Just a thought. I forgot about the concatenation operator which is + in Java/C# The PHP language developers were pretty stuck. Because of automatic string-to-numeric-conversion, they couldn't use + for string concatenation. Sadly, they chose . rather than .. which I believe one or two other languages use. If they had, . would have been available once objects rolled around in PHP 4/5. I suspect they chose - since that's used in C and C++ to dereference a pointer. Actually I think .. is quite error-prone, because it is hard to distinguish from . or _ on the _first_ glance, which makes the get quickly through the code. [1] So . is maybe not the best choice, but also remember when it was introduced: That was decades ago. That time it was (probably ;)) the best choice and nowadays I don't think it is too bad at all, beside that _other_ languages use it for other purposes now ;) [1] Yes, I know, that _ is not an operator, but mixed with strings and variables names it is there ;) Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me) I have not, but it looks interesting. I'll have to try it. Those are very good products which have had a strong following for a decade. The free IDE NetBeans also has quite good support for both Java and PHP, and the latest beta version provides a web project that provides front- and back-end debugging of PHP + JavaScript. You can be stepping through JS code and hit an AJAX call and then seamlessly step through the PHP code that handles it. I use NetBeans for PHP/HTML/JS (though I am evaluating JetBrains' PHPStorm now) and Eclipse for Java. You can't beat Eclipse's refactoring support in a free tool, though I think NetBeans is close to catching up. I would bet IntelliJ IDEA for Java by JetBrains is on par at least. Eclipse' code-completion and debugger never worked for me well (and most of the time: at all). It became slower and less responsive with every release. That was the reason I decided to leave it and I don't regret it :) Peace, David -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Sebastian Krebs krebs@gmail.comwrote: Actually I think .. is quite error-prone, because it is hard to distinguish from . or _ on the _first_ glance, which makes the get quickly through the code. [1] I surround all operators except member access (. and -) with spaces, so that wouldn't be a problem for me. I thought there was an older language that used .., but all I can find now is Lua which was developed in the early nineties. So . is maybe not the best choice, but also remember when it was introduced: That was decades ago. That time it was (probably ;)) the best choice and nowadays I don't think it is too bad at all, beside that _other_ languages use it for other purposes now ;) C introduced . as the field access operator for structs in the early seventies, C++ kept it for object access, and Java adopted it in the early nineties. C's use of pointers required a way to access members through a pointer, and I suppose KR thought - looked like following a pointer (I agree). Since PHP was modeled on Perl and wouldn't implement objects or structs for another decade, it adopted . for string concatenation. It works fine, and I don't have too much trouble bouncing back-and-forth. I honestly would have preferred . to be overloaded when the left hand side was an object. In the rare cases that you want to convert an object to a string to be concatenated with the RHS, you can always cast it to string, use strval(), or call __toString() manually. But I'm not staging any protests over the use of -. :) Eclipse' code-completion and debugger never worked for me well (and most of the time: at all). It became slower and less responsive with every release. That was the reason I decided to leave it and I don't regret it :) I agree about the slowness, and until this latest release I've always left autocompletion manual (ctrl + space). They did something with Kepler to speed it up drastically, so much so I have it turned on with every keypress. However, it's a little too aggressive in providing choices. Typing null which is a Java keyword as in PHP, it will insert nullValue() which is a method from Hamcrest. :( After a couple weeks of this, I think I'll be switching it back to manual activation. I can type quickly enough that I only need it when I'm not sure of a method name. NetBeans, while not as good with refactoring and plugin support, is still zippier than Eclipse. And my short time with the JetBrains products found them to be fast as well. Eclipse's PHP support via PDT is not nearly as good as NetBeans, and no doubt PHPStorm beats them both. Peace, David
[PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
Hi, my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it ok to work with not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ? Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it had be screwed around with ? Any think, should I change to 5 ? BR georg - Original Message - From: Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk To: PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com; php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
2013/8/21 georg chambert georg.chamb...@telia.com Hi, my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it ok to work with not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ? Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it had be screwed around with ? Any think, should I change to 5 ? ehm ... serious? http://php.net/eol.php BR georg - Original Message - From: Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk To: PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com; php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim --**--** -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
On 21 Aug 2013, at 15:01, georg chambert georg.chamb...@telia.com wrote: my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it ok to work with not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ? Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it had be screwed around with ? Any think, should I change to 5 ? Yes, even if it's only because PHP4 hasn't been supported in any way, including security fixes, since August 7th, 2008! This fact alone makes it pretty dangerous to be using it on a public site, and that's without getting into all of the improvements that PHP5 has introduced over the past five years! -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
Sorry in advance for the top post. Use the right tool for the Job. I've use Java, C# and PHP. 1. I hate the Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use . notation in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on my left pinky finger. 2. Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what you want, but I have working with a string like 02 and have PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero in front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's int myInteger = Integer.parseInt(02); 3. Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are pretty horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better envrionment, even the older versions of it. I've hooked Visual Studio into SVN in the past and it works well. 4 PHP development environments are many and varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit, Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works better on Linux than it does on Windows. Use the tool for the job at hand. Just my $0.02 worth. cheers, Curtis Tim Streater wrote: On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
2013/8/21 Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com Sorry in advance for the top post. Use the right tool for the Job. I've use Java, C# and PHP. 1. I hate the Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use . notation in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on my left pinky finger. Actually the problem is, that the dot . is already in use. With $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method bar() on the object $foo, or if you want to concatenate the value of $foo to the result of the function bar(). There is no other way around this than a different operator for method calls. 2. Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what you want, but I have working with a string like 02 and have PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero in front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's int myInteger = Integer.parseInt(02); 3. Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are pretty horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better envrionment, even the older versions of it. I've hooked Visual Studio into SVN in the past and it works well. Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me) 4 PHP development environments are many and varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit, Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works better on Linux than it does on Windows. I use PhpStorm and it works quite fine. Use the tool for the job at hand. Just my $0.02 worth. cheers, Curtis Tim Streater wrote: On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
Sebastian Krebs wrote: 2013/8/21 Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com Sorry in advance for the top post. Use the right tool for the Job. I've use Java, C# and PHP. 1. I hate the Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use . notation in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on my left pinky finger. Actually the problem is, that the dot . is already in use. With $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method bar() on the object $foo, or if you want to concatenate the value of $foo to the result of the function bar(). There is no other way around this than a different operator for method calls. I didn't think of that. It seems to me there could be an easier operator than - which sometimes will make me stop and look at what keys I'm trying to hit. Just a thought. I forgot about the concatenation operator which is + in Java/C# 2. Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what you want, but I have working with a string like 02 and have PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero in front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's int myInteger = Integer.parseInt(02); 3. Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are pretty horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better envrionment, even the older versions of it. I've hooked Visual Studio into SVN in the past and it works well. Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me) I have not, but it looks interesting. I'll have to try it. 4 PHP development environments are many and varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit, Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works better on Linux than it does on Windows. I use PhpStorm and it works quite fine. Use the tool for the job at hand. Just my $0.02 worth. cheers, Curtis Tim Streater wrote: On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com wrote: Sebastian Krebs wrote: Actually the problem is, that the dot . is already in use. With $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method bar() on the object $foo, or if you want to concatenate the value of $foo to the result of the function bar(). There is no other way around this than a different operator for method calls. I didn't think of that. It seems to me there could be an easier operator than - which sometimes will make me stop and look at what keys I'm trying to hit. Just a thought. I forgot about the concatenation operator which is + in Java/C# The PHP language developers were pretty stuck. Because of automatic string-to-numeric-conversion, they couldn't use + for string concatenation. Sadly, they chose . rather than .. which I believe one or two other languages use. If they had, . would have been available once objects rolled around in PHP 4/5. I suspect they chose - since that's used in C and C++ to dereference a pointer. Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me) I have not, but it looks interesting. I'll have to try it. Those are very good products which have had a strong following for a decade. The free IDE NetBeans also has quite good support for both Java and PHP, and the latest beta version provides a web project that provides front- and back-end debugging of PHP + JavaScript. You can be stepping through JS code and hit an AJAX call and then seamlessly step through the PHP code that handles it. I use NetBeans for PHP/HTML/JS (though I am evaluating JetBrains' PHPStorm now) and Eclipse for Java. You can't beat Eclipse's refactoring support in a free tool, though I think NetBeans is close to catching up. I would bet IntelliJ IDEA for Java by JetBrains is on par at least. Peace, David
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!
Awesome! On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Marco Pivetta ocram...@gmail.com wrote: Well done! Congratulations! On 20 Jun 2013 23:23, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote: Hello! The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug fixes. A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP 5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog. Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5 Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0 Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available. regards, David Soria Parra Julien Pauli
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] [PHP] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!
I second this - great to see both finally available. Fantastic release! Martin Amps | CIO www.iCracked.com iCracked | Redwood City, CA On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Julian jswprog.mailingli...@gmx.at wrote: Awesome work and the new design for the php.net website is also nice ;) Am 20.06.2013, 23:22 Uhr, schrieb Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net: Hello! The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug fixes. A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP 5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog. Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5 Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0 Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available. regards, David Soria Parra Julien Pauli -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] [PHP] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!
I hope this will get people like WordPress to get up and support mysqli out of the box. going to cause big issues if they don't. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Martin Amps ph...@rtin.so wrote: I second this - great to see both finally available. Fantastic release! Martin Amps | CIO www.iCracked.com iCracked | Redwood City, CA On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Julian jswprog.mailingli...@gmx.at wrote: Awesome work and the new design for the php.net website is also nice ;) Am 20.06.2013, 23:22 Uhr, schrieb Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net: Hello! The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug fixes. A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP 5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog. Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5 Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0 Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available. regards, David Soria Parra Julien Pauli -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!
Well done! Congratulations! On 20 Jun 2013 23:23, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote: Hello! The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug fixes. A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP 5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog. Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5 Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0 Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available. regards, David Soria Parra Julien Pauli
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4.16 and PHP 5.3.26 released!
Am 07.06.2013 01:58, schrieb Stas Malyshev: Hello! The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP 5.4.16 and PHP 5.3.26. These releases fix about 15 bugs, including CVE-2013-2110. All users of PHP are encouraged to upgrade to PHP 5.4.16. PHP 5.3.26 is recommended for those wishing to remain on the 5.3 series. Is there a way to access the content of the relevant bug report here? https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=64879 Who is allowed to see these private reports? Greetings, Pierre -- Pierre Schmitz, https://pierre-schmitz.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] feature request : easy shared memory
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Larry Garfield la...@garfieldtech.comwrote: On 03/14/2013 01:21 PM, Bob Weinand wrote: Sharing active memory between processes goes against the shared nothing design of PHP. The lack of the feature you're describing is itself a feature. :-) If you had real shared memory, then you're now writing a multi-threaded app. Even if you aren't using threads per se it's the same level of potential for spooky action at a distance. If your problem space really requires that (and there certainly are those that do), Java or NodeJs will suit you better because those are built specifically for a persistent-server model, rather than PHP's shared-nothing design. However, in practice most PHP/web applications don't need that, because HTTP is a stateless request/response system. Shared-nothing more closely models what the actual environment is doing, and can still be very performant as long as you don't do anything naive. If you're doing something stateful like Web Sockets, then you can run PHP as a cli application that is its own persistent server rather than as an Apache add-on. For that, look at Ratchet: http://socketo.me/ --Larry Garfield If PHP should be so restrictive against sharing, why are there extensions like memcached, ...? Someone must have missed this possibility to share rapidly... If I need something like websockets, I use the pthreads extension: perfectly suited for stateful applications. For example: I want to have the database in memory (no, no mysql Memory-tables; this is too slow...) and only do the updates into the database for faster access when most contents are read-only. What are these good reasons against such a feature except it violates the shares-nothing superlative of PHP. (Even if this feature would exist, you can still write PHP without sharing) Bo Weinand Memcache is out of process. There are possible race conditions there, but FAR fewer and FAR more contained than true multi-threaded environments. This list has debated the merits of shared-nothing many times before; it was a deliberate design decision in the interest of simplifying development for the overwhelming majority of users. If your app is so performance sensitive that a memcache lookup is going to bring it to its knees, then either you're misusing PHP or you're better off using something other than PHP. (PHP is not the tool for every use case.) In any event, adding true shared memory to PHP would be nearly impossible without completely redesigning the way it interacts with web servers. The alternative is to write your own PHP CLI application that connects to sockets itself and runs as a daemon (possibly using the pthreads extention as you mention), and cut apache/nginx out of the picture entirely. If your use case calls for that, knock yourself out. But the good reasons against adding such a feature is that it would require rewriting everything and rearchitecting the entire Apache SAPI, which is not happening any time soon. --Larry Garfield I don't see why you would need to cut out apache/nginx. I would set up the server just like you (Larry) describe, with socket pthreads, but it would be far more easier to just create a simple php file inside your apache/nginx directory. Use something like mod_rewrite to redirect all urls to this php file. In this file, connect to the application server, send the request data ($_GET, $_POST, etc) to the application server, and pass all data retrieved from the application server back to the user. And there you go, you have an application server. - Matijn
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] feature request : easy shared memory
On 03/14/2013 01:21 PM, Bob Weinand wrote: Sharing active memory between processes goes against the shared nothing design of PHP. The lack of the feature you're describing is itself a feature. :-) If you had real shared memory, then you're now writing a multi-threaded app. Even if you aren't using threads per se it's the same level of potential for spooky action at a distance. If your problem space really requires that (and there certainly are those that do), Java or NodeJs will suit you better because those are built specifically for a persistent-server model, rather than PHP's shared-nothing design. However, in practice most PHP/web applications don't need that, because HTTP is a stateless request/response system. Shared-nothing more closely models what the actual environment is doing, and can still be very performant as long as you don't do anything naive. If you're doing something stateful like Web Sockets, then you can run PHP as a cli application that is its own persistent server rather than as an Apache add-on. For that, look at Ratchet: http://socketo.me/ --Larry Garfield If PHP should be so restrictive against sharing, why are there extensions like memcached, ...? Someone must have missed this possibility to share rapidly... If I need something like websockets, I use the pthreads extension: perfectly suited for stateful applications. For example: I want to have the database in memory (no, no mysql Memory-tables; this is too slow...) and only do the updates into the database for faster access when most contents are read-only. What are these good reasons against such a feature except it violates the shares-nothing superlative of PHP. (Even if this feature would exist, you can still write PHP without sharing) Bo Weinand Memcache is out of process. There are possible race conditions there, but FAR fewer and FAR more contained than true multi-threaded environments. This list has debated the merits of shared-nothing many times before; it was a deliberate design decision in the interest of simplifying development for the overwhelming majority of users. If your app is so performance sensitive that a memcache lookup is going to bring it to its knees, then either you're misusing PHP or you're better off using something other than PHP. (PHP is not the tool for every use case.) In any event, adding true shared memory to PHP would be nearly impossible without completely redesigning the way it interacts with web servers. The alternative is to write your own PHP CLI application that connects to sockets itself and runs as a daemon (possibly using the pthreads extention as you mention), and cut apache/nginx out of the picture entirely. If your use case calls for that, knock yourself out. But the good reasons against adding such a feature is that it would require rewriting everything and rearchitecting the entire Apache SAPI, which is not happening any time soon. --Larry Garfield -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP 5.4 Help
Il Wed, 06 Mar 2013 08:41:43 -0800, Great Recordings, LLC ha scritto: Will someone tell me if the small module included on the bottom of this note will function properly under PHP 5.4? (Register_Globals turned off). If it does not function properly with Register_Globals turned off, is there a way to make changes to the module so it does function properly with Register-Globals turned off? It is impossible to answer without knowing what is in prepend.inc (and in all the files included o required by it. It is also impossible to know what is in the process identified by $processName (it is an external executable). Per se, this small script doesn't need register_globals, but it calls external resources that could require it. Your best bet is to find a relly good developer who can try to adapt the software to PHP 5.4. IF the software is open source (or at least you have the sources). I suppose he will not be able to do it in less than 20 days, so you should find a new hosting company that will allow you to keep register_globals on until the conversion (or the complete rewrite) is finished. Bye. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.22RC1 and 5.4.12RC1 Released for Testing!
Johannes Schlüter in php.internals (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:00:17 +0100): If no critical issues is found in this RC, the final version will be released in two weeks. Just curious: what is keeping 5.3.22 and 5.4.12 from being released? Are there any issues? Jan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.22RC1 and 5.4.12RC1 Released for Testing!
On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 00:13 +0100, Jan Ehrhardt wrote: Johannes Schlüter in php.internals (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:00:17 +0100): If no critical issues is found in this RC, the final version will be released in two weeks. Just curious: what is keeping 5.3.22 and 5.4.12 from being released? Are there any issues? As a look on qa.php.net or the box on the top right of php.net tells we have RC2 for both out, you can also see in the repo that the release is being prepared: http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=blobdiff;f=NEWS;h=d3a3e9fa0f344d9b736ea17ce408df6b02e8b561;hp=c4262020de69b7a93b8fcf4923e85194756435a7;hb=0183c29cb3921926855ed6f5e7cea7851fb8a5a1;hpb=904d2202eaecb7c300c36f37ebc5503513220c09 Please test the RCs and provide test feedback. Thanks. johannes -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.22RC1 and 5.4.12RC1 Released for Testing!
Hi! Johannes Schlüter in php.internals (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:00:17 +0100): If no critical issues is found in this RC, the final version will be released in two weeks. Just curious: what is keeping 5.3.22 and 5.4.12 from being released? Are there any issues? We had 5.4.12 RC2 last week, due to recent SOAP fixes we had to pull in, and will have 5.4.12 GA this week. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.22RC1 and 5.4.12RC1 Released for Testing!
Stas Malyshev in php.internals (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:35:54 -0800): Johannes Schlüter in php.internals (Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:00:17 +0100): If no critical issues is found in this RC, the final version will be released in two weeks. Just curious: what is keeping 5.3.22 and 5.4.12 from being released? Are there any issues? We had 5.4.12 RC2 last week, due to recent SOAP fixes we had to pull in, and will have 5.4.12 GA this week. OK. Johannes' reply made me think I mistook the final RC for the release, but you seem to indicate there was indeed a little delay. For Johannes: building 5.3.22 and 5.4.12 (both NTS, Windows) right now. I will report back if I run into something. Jan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] new FTP function
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, KISE wowk...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul Dragoonis,
Actually it wont work i did tried it before, if the dir end with / it will
list the directories inside the path you gave it and if it doesn't have any
directories it will return false since there is no directories to return.
you have to take out the last / and then remove the directory in question
and list the files in the parent directory and check if the dir exists
otherwise it will return false, i spent 3hrs yesterday thinking why its
returning false even though the directory exists.
The discussion is now getting more into the general coding realm
than internals, so let's move it over there in case anyone wants to
mention something like:
function ftp_dir_exists($conn, $currentDir) {
$currentDir = (substr($currentDir,-1,1) == '/') ?
substr($currentDir,0,-1) : $currentDir;
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, '-dF '. $currentDir);
return in_array($currentDir, $list);
}
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Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] new FTP function
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, KISE wowk...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul Dragoonis,
Actually it wont work i did tried it before, if the dir end with / it will
list the directories inside the path you gave it and if it doesn't have any
directories it will return false since there is no directories to return.
you have to take out the last / and then remove the directory in question
and list the files in the parent directory and check if the dir exists
otherwise it will return false, i spent 3hrs yesterday thinking why its
returning false even though the directory exists.
The discussion is now getting more into the general coding realm
than internals, so let's move it over there in case anyone wants to
mention something like:
function ftp_dir_exists($conn, $currentDir) {
$currentDir = (substr($currentDir,-1,1) == '/') ?
substr($currentDir,0,-1) : $currentDir;
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, '-dF '. $currentDir);
return in_array($currentDir, $list);
}
Haven't played with ftp functions at all, but wondering what if you
gave it dirname($currentDir) instead of $currentDir? (Still have to do
the trailing '/'-ectomy)
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, dirname($currentDir));
untested, just a thought.
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Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] new FTP function
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM, tamouse mailing lists
tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, KISE wowk...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul Dragoonis,
Actually it wont work i did tried it before, if the dir end with / it will
list the directories inside the path you gave it and if it doesn't have any
directories it will return false since there is no directories to return.
you have to take out the last / and then remove the directory in question
and list the files in the parent directory and check if the dir exists
otherwise it will return false, i spent 3hrs yesterday thinking why its
returning false even though the directory exists.
The discussion is now getting more into the general coding realm
than internals, so let's move it over there in case anyone wants to
mention something like:
function ftp_dir_exists($conn, $currentDir) {
$currentDir = (substr($currentDir,-1,1) == '/') ?
substr($currentDir,0,-1) : $currentDir;
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, '-dF '. $currentDir);
return in_array($currentDir, $list);
}
Haven't played with ftp functions at all, but wondering what if you
gave it dirname($currentDir) instead of $currentDir? (Still have to do
the trailing '/'-ectomy)
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, dirname($currentDir));
untested, just a thought.
Although on further thought, if $currentDir actually points to a
non-directory, that will still pass, won't it. Might have to go with
ftp_rawlist and parse it out to ensure it is a directory... Check the
first character of each line to see if it's 'd', then the file name
will be the last field in the line.
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Shopping Cart Discount System
On Dec 31, 2012, at 3:36 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote: Hello Everyone, Hope all are well. Quick and hopefully painless question. Is there any examples on how to build a discount system into your shopping cart out there that anyone knows of? I am using MySQL and PHP. I have built one of my own so far, but am having trouble making sense of what goes where. For example. If a product has miscellaneous charges, lets say.. glitter is extra on your shirt. How is discounts applied? I mean, as far as discounts go, lets say its 20% a shirt and this shirt has glitter. Is it best practice to apply the discount to just the shirt or the shirt and glitter as a combo discount. I know this is somewhat dependent on the owners choice of what he/she wants to give the discount on, but my question is of the programing of it. Do I build conditions for the shirt to get a discount applied then the miscellaneous charges, or combine the totals of the two, then apply the discount to the sum? Then lets say there is a cart discount also being applied. Is it best practice to apply this to the total of items then add the shipping, rush charges and tax, or to the total of the whole cart including shipping, rush charges then add the tax after applying the discount? Sorry for the run-on question, hope this makes sense enough to merit help. HNY, Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com PS: Because this question could be answered by either database or general, is the only reason for the double post. Wont be making a habit of it.. :) I would apply the discounts where they made sense from a customer POV. Would you expect a t-shirt discount to be applied to only the base item or the product as a whole? I'd say tge whole thing. You could have various areas in your code that apply discounts at different levels: per item, per group of items (bogof, etc), and per basket. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php That does make more sense now that you say. I guess I would want or expect the discount to apply to the whole thing. Thanks Ash. Best, Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On 10/14/2012 1:10 AM, tamouse mailing lists wrote: This just dropped in my inbox the other day from Smashing #69: 2. PHP The Right Way If you are developing for the Web, the chances are high that you have to deal with PHP on a regular basis. However, once you've stumbled upon a problem that you have to solve, finding a good solution among thousands and thousands of (partly outdated) PHP tutorials out there can be quite a nightmare — especially if you are relatively new to PHP. Where would you go to learn about the current best practices in PHP? PHP The Right Way Perhaps PHP The Right Way. The site is an easy-to-read, quick reference for the best practices in PHP, accepted coding standards, and links to authoritative tutorials around the Web. Josh Lockhart has worked together with a dozen of well-respected members of the PHP community to create a useful, up-to-date resource for everybody to use. I've just been perusing it, and it offers some good advice. Anyone here work on it / read it? Thoughts? Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 which when I do (from a dos prompt) gives me a nice description of the command, but fails to do anything else for me. So how does this (as it says) help me learn with the hassle of configureing and installing a full-fledged web server? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: On 10/14/2012 1:10 AM, tamouse mailing lists wrote: This just dropped in my inbox the other day from Smashing #69: 2. PHP The Right Way If you are developing for the Web, the chances are high that you have to deal with PHP on a regular basis. However, once you've stumbled upon a problem that you have to solve, finding a good solution among thousands and thousands of (partly outdated) PHP tutorials out there can be quite a nightmare — especially if you are relatively new to PHP. Where would you go to learn about the current best practices in PHP? PHP The Right Way Perhaps PHP The Right Way. The site is an easy-to-read, quick reference for the best practices in PHP, accepted coding standards, and links to authoritative tutorials around the Web. Josh Lockhart has worked together with a dozen of well-respected members of the PHP community to create a useful, up-to-date resource for everybody to use. I've just been perusing it, and it offers some good advice. Anyone here work on it / read it? Thoughts? Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 which when I do (from a dos prompt) gives me a nice description of the command, but fails to do anything else for me. So how does this (as it says) help me learn with the hassle of configureing and installing a full-fledged web server? Are you running 5.4+? First thing it says is Use the current stable version (5.4). The PHP server (-S) is not available in anything earlier. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 That should be a capital S, not a five. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On 10/14/2012 12:06 PM, tamouse mailing lists wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: On 10/14/2012 1:10 AM, tamouse mailing lists wrote: This just dropped in my inbox the other day from Smashing #69: 2. PHP The Right Way If you are developing for the Web, the chances are high that you have to deal with PHP on a regular basis. However, once you've stumbled upon a problem that you have to solve, finding a good solution among thousands and thousands of (partly outdated) PHP tutorials out there can be quite a nightmare — especially if you are relatively new to PHP. Where would you go to learn about the current best practices in PHP? PHP The Right Way Perhaps PHP The Right Way. The site is an easy-to-read, quick reference for the best practices in PHP, accepted coding standards, and links to authoritative tutorials around the Web. Josh Lockhart has worked together with a dozen of well-respected members of the PHP community to create a useful, up-to-date resource for everybody to use. I've just been perusing it, and it offers some good advice. Anyone here work on it / read it? Thoughts? Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 which when I do (from a dos prompt) gives me a nice description of the command, but fails to do anything else for me. So how does this (as it says) help me learn with the hassle of configureing and installing a full-fledged web server? Are you running 5.4+? First thing it says is Use the current stable version (5.4). The PHP server (-S) is not available in anything earlier. I'm not running anything. It says to type a command and I did. That's my point - it's kind of misleading in it's introduction. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On 10/14/2012 12:12 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 That should be a capital S, not a five. hmmm, that does make a difference. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
On 10/1/2012 12:32 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote:
Hello list,
I'm trying to learn and get comfortable with HTML forms in PHP. In one
example I am trying to include a file upload in one of the forms. I can
connect to the database but for some reason the MySQL query string is bad.
I've been over this for a while now and I think the problem is with the
form. I was hoping to get the esteemed opinion of the list in where I may
be going wrong.
This code:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titleGuitar Wars - Add Your High Score/title
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=style.css /
/head
body
h2Guitar Wars - Add Your High Score/h2
?php
if (isset($_POST['submit'])) {
// Grab the score data from the POST
$name = $_POST['name'];
$score = $_POST['score'];
$screenshot = $_FILES['screenshot']['name'];
if (!empty($name) !empty($score)) {
// Connect to the database
$dbc = mysqli_connect('localhost', 'admin', 'secretsauce', 'gwdb')
or die('Cannot connect to database');
// Write the data to the database
$query = INSERT INTO guitarwars VALUES (0, NOW(), '$name', '$score',
'$screenshot');
mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
or die('Cannot insert query');
// Confirm success with the user
echo 'pThanks for adding your new high score!/p';
echo 'pstrongName:/strong ' . $name . 'br /';
echo 'strongScore:/strong ' . $score . '/p';
echo 'pa href=index.phplt;lt; Back to high scores/a/p';
// Clear the score data to clear the form
$name = ;
$score = ;
mysqli_close($dbc);
}
else {
echo 'p class=errorPlease enter all of the information to add
your high score./p';
}
}
?
hr /
form enctype=multipart/form-data method=post action=?php echo
$_SERVER['PHP_SELF']; ?
input type=hidden name=MAX_FILE_SIZE value=32768 /
label for=nameName:/label
input type=text id=name name=name value=?php if
(!empty($name)) echo $name; ? /br /
label for=scoreScore:/label
input type=text id=score name=score value=?php if
(!empty($score)) echo $score; ? /
br /
label for=screenshotScreenshot:/label
input type=file id=screenshot name=screenshot /
hr /
input type=submit value=Add name=submit /
/form
/body
/html
Results in this output:
Guitar Wars - Add Your High Score Cannot insert query
Thanks again for your help. This is an awesome list!
Tim
You should have your error settings set to show everything.
I include these three lines in all my development work:
error_reporting(E_ALL);
ini_set('display_errors', '1');
set_time_limit(2);
In this case, I do think that your insert statement is incorrect - I
could be wrong. I think the VALUES clause s/b just 'VALUE'. Also if
you added MYSQLI_ERROR to your error handling you should get a very
helpful message.
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Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: In this case, I do think that your insert statement is incorrect - I could be wrong. I think the VALUES clause s/b just 'VALUE'. Also if you added MYSQLI_ERROR to your error handling you should get a very helpful message. VALUES also work. See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/insert.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
On 10/1/2012 9:12 AM, Tommy Pham wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: In this case, I do think that your insert statement is incorrect - I could be wrong. I think the VALUES clause s/b just 'VALUE'. Also if you added MYSQLI_ERROR to your error handling you should get a very helpful message. VALUES also work. See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/insert.html Yeah - I just saw it in one of my scripts. So - adding the error handling and the call to mysqli_error should help the OP diagnose his problem. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
On 10/1/2012 12:32 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote:
Hello list,
I'm trying to learn and get comfortable with HTML forms in PHP. In one
example I am trying to include a file upload in one of the forms. I can
connect to the database but for some reason the MySQL query string is bad.
I've been over this for a while now and I think the problem is with the
form. I was hoping to get the esteemed opinion of the list in where I may
be going wrong.
This code:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titleGuitar Wars - Add Your High Score/title
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=style.css /
/head
body
h2Guitar Wars - Add Your High Score/h2
?php
if (isset($_POST['submit'])) {
// Grab the score data from the POST
$name = $_POST['name'];
$score = $_POST['score'];
$screenshot = $_FILES['screenshot']['name'];
if (!empty($name) !empty($score)) {
// Connect to the database
$dbc = mysqli_connect('localhost', 'admin', 'secretsauce', 'gwdb')
or die('Cannot connect to database');
// Write the data to the database
$query = INSERT INTO guitarwars VALUES (0, NOW(), '$name', '$score',
'$screenshot');
mysqli_query($dbc, $query)
or die('Cannot insert query');
// Confirm success with the user
echo 'pThanks for adding your new high score!/p';
echo 'pstrongName:/strong ' . $name . 'br /';
echo 'strongScore:/strong ' . $score . '/p';
echo 'pa href=index.phplt;lt; Back to high scores/a/p';
// Clear the score data to clear the form
$name = ;
$score = ;
mysqli_close($dbc);
}
else {
echo 'p class=errorPlease enter all of the information to add
your high score./p';
}
}
?
hr /
form enctype=multipart/form-data method=post action=?php echo
$_SERVER['PHP_SELF']; ?
input type=hidden name=MAX_FILE_SIZE value=32768 /
label for=nameName:/label
input type=text id=name name=name value=?php if
(!empty($name)) echo $name; ? /br /
label for=scoreScore:/label
input type=text id=score name=score value=?php if
(!empty($score)) echo $score; ? /
br /
label for=screenshotScreenshot:/label
input type=file id=screenshot name=screenshot /
hr /
input type=submit value=Add name=submit /
/form
/body
/html
Results in this output:
Guitar Wars - Add Your High Score Cannot insert query
Thanks again for your help. This is an awesome list!
Tim
ON second glance - your table seems to have 4 fields:
id,date,id,name,screenshot.
Your insert has 5 values: VALUES (0, NOW(), '$name', '$score',
'$screenshot')
That right there is going to throw an error.
BTW - You're saving the name of the screen shot file but are you
actually saving the uploaded file somewhere else in your code? Didn't
see it here and just wondered.
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[PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
oops - I added a an extra id field. There were only 4 in OP's DESCRIBE email. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
hey thanks guys adding debugging info worked. Actually it was mysqli_error() providing me with a specific error of where the problem was. Cannot insert query:Duplicate entry '0' for key 'PRIMARY' This is the data in the table mysql select * from guitarwars; ++-+---+---+---+ | id | date| name | score | screenshot| ++-+---+---+---+ | 0 | 2012-10-01 11:55:45 | Tommy Tutone | 2442 | bg_titlestrip.jpg | | 1 | 2012-10-01 08:34:18 | Dunphy| 2 | proof.jpg | | 2 | 2012-10-01 00:25:53 | ray davies| NULL | 2241 | | 3 | 2008-04-22 14:37:34 | Paco Jastorius| NULL | NULL | | 4 | 2008-04-22 21:27:54 | Nevil Johansson | NULL | NULL | | 5 | 2008-04-23 09:12:53 | Belita Chevy | NULL | NULL | | 6 | 2008-04-23 14:09:50 | Kenny Lavitz | NULL | NULL | | 7 | 2008-04-24 08:13:52 | Phiz Lairston | NULL | NULL | | 8 | 2008-04-25 07:22:19 | Jean Paul Jones | NULL | NULL | | 9 | 2008-04-25 11:49:23 | Jacob Scorcherson | NULL | NULL | ++-+---+---+---+ This was the query I was using: $query = INSERT INTO guitarwars (date, name, score, screenshot) VALUES (NOW(), '$name', '$score', '$screenshot'); It seems to be inserting a default value of 0 since the id is not being specified and that's when I realized that I had failed to auto_increment the id column. D'oh! So once I did that everything worked like a charm. @Ken First -- NEVER post code with your database username/password. Since you did, change your db password immediately. Well actually I did not. Did you really think 'secretsauce' was my password? :) But I guess you're right in that this may be a little ambiguous when seeking advice in lists so from now on I will take your advice on making login information unambiguously fake in the form of user='' and password='xxx'. @Stuart But take note of what everyone else is saying. You should be getting the error message when this happens which will tell you exactly what the problem is, above and beyond Cannot insert query (which, btw, makes no sense at all :)). Ok well I'm using an 'insert' query so I'm not sure why you say that this makes no sense at all. :)) If you don't mind giving this n00b advice what would be a better/more accurate error message? They take away from this for me was.. don't skimp on the error messages! The one I got was so clear that fixing the problem was easy at that point. But thanks again guys.. this list has been an indispensable source source of wisdom on my journey in learning PHP. Tim Thanks again guys, Tim -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
On 10/1/2012 12:20 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: hey thanks guys adding debugging info worked. Actually it was mysqli_error() providing me with a specific error of where the problem was. Cannot insert query:Duplicate entry '0' for key 'PRIMARY' This is the data in the table mysql select * from guitarwars; ++-+---+---+---+ | id | date| name | score | screenshot| ++-+---+---+---+ | 0 | 2012-10-01 11:55:45 | Tommy Tutone | 2442 | bg_titlestrip.jpg | | 1 | 2012-10-01 08:34:18 | Dunphy| 2 | proof.jpg | | 2 | 2012-10-01 00:25:53 | ray davies| NULL | 2241 | | 3 | 2008-04-22 14:37:34 | Paco Jastorius| NULL | NULL | | 4 | 2008-04-22 21:27:54 | Nevil Johansson | NULL | NULL | | 5 | 2008-04-23 09:12:53 | Belita Chevy | NULL | NULL | | 6 | 2008-04-23 14:09:50 | Kenny Lavitz | NULL | NULL | | 7 | 2008-04-24 08:13:52 | Phiz Lairston | NULL | NULL | | 8 | 2008-04-25 07:22:19 | Jean Paul Jones | NULL | NULL | | 9 | 2008-04-25 11:49:23 | Jacob Scorcherson | NULL | NULL | ++-+---+---+---+ This was the query I was using: $query = INSERT INTO guitarwars (date, name, score, screenshot) VALUES (NOW(), '$name', '$score', '$screenshot'); It seems to be inserting a default value of 0 since the id is not being specified and that's when I realized that I had failed to auto_increment the id column. D'oh! So once I did that everything worked like a charm. @Ken First -- NEVER post code with your database username/password. Since you did, change your db password immediately. Well actually I did not. Did you really think 'secretsauce' was my password? :) But I guess you're right in that this may be a little ambiguous when seeking advice in lists so from now on I will take your advice on making login information unambiguously fake in the form of user='' and password='xxx'. @Stuart But take note of what everyone else is saying. You should be getting the error message when this happens which will tell you exactly what the problem is, above and beyond Cannot insert query (which, btw, makes no sense at all :)). Ok well I'm using an 'insert' query so I'm not sure why you say that this makes no sense at all. :)) If you don't mind giving this n00b advice what would be a better/more accurate error message? They take away from this for me was.. don't skimp on the error messages! The one I got was so clear that fixing the problem was easy at that point. But thanks again guys.. this list has been an indispensable source source of wisdom on my journey in learning PHP. Tim Thanks again guys, Tim I think the comment about your cannot insert query was because it really did not make sense. Once truly cannot insert a query. Since you ask tho, a more approp message might be Insert query failed to execute.brError returned was . mysqli_error() . brQuery was $q As for your index issue - you are using an autoincrement(?) field as the primary key. Is this related to another record in your db? If not, why even have the primary key? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
I think the comment about your cannot insert query was because it really did not make sense. Once truly cannot insert a query. Since you ask tho, a more approp message might be Insert query failed to execute.brError returned was . mysqli_error() . brQuery was $q As for your index issue - you are using an autoincrement(?) field as the primary key. Is this related to another record in your db? If not, why even have the primary key? Hey! I really like your error message. Borrowing it! :) Yes I am now using auto_increment, and that's what seemed to solve my issue. Looks like a simple omission in forgetting to use auto_increment and using primary key. I usually know better. I'll blame this one on the clonopin. lol thank you tim On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.comwrote: On 10/1/2012 12:20 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: hey thanks guys adding debugging info worked. Actually it was mysqli_error() providing me with a specific error of where the problem was. Cannot insert query:Duplicate entry '0' for key 'PRIMARY' This is the data in the table mysql select * from guitarwars; ++-+--**-+---+** ---+ | id | date| name | score | screenshot | ++-+--**-+---+** ---+ | 0 | 2012-10-01 11:55:45 | Tommy Tutone | 2442 | bg_titlestrip.jpg | | 1 | 2012-10-01 08:34:18 | Dunphy| 2 | proof.jpg | | 2 | 2012-10-01 00:25:53 | ray davies| NULL | 2241 | | 3 | 2008-04-22 14:37:34 | Paco Jastorius| NULL | NULL | | 4 | 2008-04-22 21:27:54 | Nevil Johansson | NULL | NULL | | 5 | 2008-04-23 09:12:53 | Belita Chevy | NULL | NULL | | 6 | 2008-04-23 14:09:50 | Kenny Lavitz | NULL | NULL | | 7 | 2008-04-24 08:13:52 | Phiz Lairston | NULL | NULL | | 8 | 2008-04-25 07:22:19 | Jean Paul Jones | NULL | NULL | | 9 | 2008-04-25 11:49:23 | Jacob Scorcherson | NULL | NULL | ++-+--**-+---+** ---+ This was the query I was using: $query = INSERT INTO guitarwars (date, name, score, screenshot) VALUES (NOW(), '$name', '$score', '$screenshot'); It seems to be inserting a default value of 0 since the id is not being specified and that's when I realized that I had failed to auto_increment the id column. D'oh! So once I did that everything worked like a charm. @Ken First -- NEVER post code with your database username/password. Since you did, change your db password immediately. Well actually I did not. Did you really think 'secretsauce' was my password? :) But I guess you're right in that this may be a little ambiguous when seeking advice in lists so from now on I will take your advice on making login information unambiguously fake in the form of user='' and password='xxx'. @Stuart But take note of what everyone else is saying. You should be getting the error message when this happens which will tell you exactly what the problem is, above and beyond Cannot insert query (which, btw, makes no sense at all :)). Ok well I'm using an 'insert' query so I'm not sure why you say that this makes no sense at all. :)) If you don't mind giving this n00b advice what would be a better/more accurate error message? They take away from this for me was.. don't skimp on the error messages! The one I got was so clear that fixing the problem was easy at that point. But thanks again guys.. this list has been an indispensable source source of wisdom on my journey in learning PHP. Tim Thanks again guys, Tim I think the comment about your cannot insert query was because it really did not make sense. Once truly cannot insert a query. Since you ask tho, a more approp message might be Insert query failed to execute.brError returned was . mysqli_error() . brQuery was $q As for your index issue - you are using an autoincrement(?) field as the primary key. Is this related to another record in your db? If not, why even have the primary key? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
to Matijn Woudt: you are right there should be something like: public void synchronized increment(), but that is not the point. Sure there are disadvantages and other problems but what Alessando is saying is I would not use cure for cancer even if it existed because it can introduce other problems like overpopulation. There are cases when application server adds much overhead that is not needed and there are cases when it simplifies your tasks a lot. So from his mail the only problem I can see is memory leaks, and I am not talking about leaks in application because they can be caught in tests and fixed, but mostly leaks in poorly wriiten PHP core and modules. Other like session hijacking are not real problems (other languages somehow managed it to work) or not so big in face of some other advantages (like restarting application after change). Robert Williams points that the main problem is with PHP programmers who tend to ignore many aspects of multithreaded programming and PHP helps them in that by hiding all threading aspects. There are still people who can understand that and take profit from this knowlege. The memory is also not such problem. I did some quite large PHP projects and whole source code event if it were loaded in memory use only few megabytes (event 100mb is not a problem). And am talking about holding parsed structures in memory not the source files. Applications I am talking about are mostly targeted to maximize throughput and they are the only ones on server. In such cases *any* speed improvement is worth attention. I am not forcing anybody to use application server approach, but rather like Robert said - good to have choice and decide on my own if I want to write simple scripts or stateful application. The only problem is that I do not have that choice not considering changing language... at least I do not have such choice for now :) 2012/9/26 Robert Williams rewilli...@thesba.com: On 9/26/12 10:18, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: Writing scripts for an application server requires a much deeper understanding of threads and computer internals,so as a result it probably increases error rate. Well... yes and no. PHP's architecture pretty much keeps you from having to mess with thread management, but it does so by shifting the burden to a higher level, either process management of multiple PHP processes or thread management within the context of the HTTP server. If your application is sufficiently simple, that shift may be enough to keep you from having to worry about the problem. For most applications, however, it's still a concern. In some ways, this can make things worse, simply because PHP programmers tend to be oblivious of the potential problems, whereas the typical C# or Java programmer has at least some awareness of the various traps that await them. As an example, I see PHP code *all the time* that is wide open to concurrency issues with the database. Most code just assumes it's the only code doing updates, but unless the server is set up to serialize requests, that's an invalid assumption. Recently, more folks have started to address this by using database transactions, but this is often done in ignorance of what isolation level is being used and what the impact of that is upon the code - which can just make things worse. Even when there is that awareness, there are database concurrency issues with which transactions can't help. (Of course, people who are aware of isolation levels also tend to be aware of other concurrency issues.) The point is, if you have multiple things running in parallel, whether that be threads within your application or entirely separate physical servers running multiple copies of your application, you have to deal with concurrency issues. It's a necessary evil of parallel programming, and no mere technological solution (language, database, whatever), now or in the future, can fully overcome it. Well, maybe an AI engine somewhere in the chain, but that's about it, and that's not coming anytime soon. Incidentally, another advantage of PHP's share-nothing approach that hasn't been mentioned is relatively easy scalability. In a shared pool architecture, the easiest way to scale is typically vertically, that is, adding RAM, faster drives, etc. This is fine, but you can only scale vertically to a certain point, which you can usually hit pretty quickly. With PHP's share-nothing approach, you can still scale vertically, but you can almost as easily scale horizontally by adding more servers that each run merrily in their own worlds, with the primary added coordination logic being in the areas of communicating with the database and the data cache, something the application should be designed with, anyway. In contrast, the shared approach requires added logic, somewhere, to coordinate the sharing amongst the pools of all that data that the application takes for granted is always available at low cost.
[PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
Il Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:28:00 +0200, Maciej Liżewski ha scritto: Sure there are disadvantages and other problems but what Alessando is saying is I would not use cure for cancer even if it existed because it can introduce other problems like overpopulation. Uhm, no. I see it as I would not use chemio if I could remove the cancer with laser therapy. They are two ways to solve the same problem, and I think the non- application-server way is the best. It is similar to the Unix way: many small pieces tied together to reach a goal. The application server is more like the Windows way: one big piece to reach a goal. I understand sometimes the application server can be easier or fit better, but I think most of the times it is the wrong solution, expecially in PHP, but not exclusively. Bye. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
Hi, Once again I didn't read it completely (maybe I will do so), but my 2ct: I recently played with Ruby and Python and of course with their application server (at least a little bit). My experience was, that it is less fun as it sounds in the first place compared to a well designed webserver-interpreter-stack (and of course common OS-specific stuff for CLI). In my eyes it is good the way it is: Let PHP do it's job and let more intelligent tools do the other things, like spawning request-handling processes. Not saying, that I'm against an application, but I currently don't miss it :) On the other side someone must maintain it and someone must make sure, that it is secure and efficient. This resources should not taken from the core-team. Regards, Sebastian 2012/9/27 Alessandro Pellizzari a...@amiran.it Il Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:28:00 +0200, Maciej Liżewski ha scritto: Sure there are disadvantages and other problems but what Alessando is saying is I would not use cure for cancer even if it existed because it can introduce other problems like overpopulation. Uhm, no. I see it as I would not use chemio if I could remove the cancer with laser therapy. They are two ways to solve the same problem, and I think the non- application-server way is the best. It is similar to the Unix way: many small pieces tied together to reach a goal. The application server is more like the Windows way: one big piece to reach a goal. I understand sometimes the application server can be easier or fit better, but I think most of the times it is the wrong solution, expecially in PHP, but not exclusively. Bye. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch
[PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
On 9/26/2012 5:58 AM, Maciej Liżewski wrote: Hi, Maybe this topic have been already on board, but I could not find nothing in google, so my question to PHP maintaneers (and other users too) is: Why there is no possibility to run PHP in application server way among other SAPI modules and other possibilities to run PHP? PHP would encounter great performance boost and became more enterprise :) Just look at Ruby which is slow as hell compared even with PHP. By application server I mean scenario when there is statefull application on server side not only by session mechanizms but all classes definitions maintained in memory (no need to load class definition on every request), static class members (and their changes) persistent, background threads, etc. This way any op-code cachers won't be necessary... sounds great, huh? others have it already, so why doesn't PHP? are there any cons? problems too hard to solve (one can be memory leaks, thread safe coding, etc)? I mean it - I am realy curious why there is no such possibility and is there any hope we could get it? TIA for any answers on this topic. Thirty+ years as a professional application designer, developer and manager and I don't have a clue about what you are proposing. I must have been in a different world. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
Well.. many things changed during last 30 years. Cobol is not
mainstream, we have got OOP, Java, Python, Ruby, Google and other
great things :)
I am talking about stateful application server. There are plenty
examples in other programming languages: Java has Jetty, Tomcat, Ruby
On Rails, Python and Passenger WSGI.
All of them have one common thing: application persist in memory
between requests. Even for interpreted languages (such Ruby) - this
has advantage of loading sources only once, parse it only once and
initialize memory structures for those definitions only once. On the
opposite - PHP loads EVERY single resource on every request. This is
why it needs op-code cachers, accelerators etc.
Another advantage of using stateful application servers is that you
can simply keep gloabal state of your application (global variables,
static object properties) in memory. It simplifies many tasks which in
PHP require sessions, writing files with serialized data and
deserialize them on every request...
Just imagine such scenarios:
now PHP acts like this on every request:
1. locate resources (source files in this case), parse and load them
(possibly with op-code cache)
2. initialize global context ($_SERVER, $GLOBALS, $_POST, $_GET, etc)
3. run code
4. destroy all resource and free memory for next request
persistent application servers load resources only on startup (or when
needed) and keep them in memory until programatically freed or until
end of application (server shutdown). So every request looks like
this:
1. initialize global context
2. run already parsed code
is that makes whole thing clear?
Another nice example - simple counter. In PHP you have to:
1. read file with counter
2. increment value
3. write serialized value to file
...on every request.
in Java (for example) you just write class:
class Counter {
static private counter = 0;
public void increment() {
this.counter++;
}
}
and because class definition persists in application server - static
member is maintained between requests and whole things works as
expected...
2012/9/26 Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com:
On 9/26/2012 5:58 AM, Maciej Liżewski wrote:
Hi,
Maybe this topic have been already on board, but I could not find nothing
in google, so my question to PHP maintaneers (and other users too) is:
Why there is no possibility to run PHP in application server way among
other SAPI modules and other possibilities to run PHP? PHP would encounter
great performance boost and became more enterprise :) Just look at Ruby
which is slow as hell compared even with PHP.
By application server I mean scenario when there is statefull
application
on server side not only by session mechanizms but all classes definitions
maintained in memory (no need to load class definition on every request),
static class members (and their changes) persistent, background threads,
etc. This way any op-code cachers won't be necessary...
sounds great, huh? others have it already, so why doesn't PHP? are there
any cons? problems too hard to solve (one can be memory leaks, thread safe
coding, etc)? I mean it - I am realy curious why there is no such
possibility and is there any hope we could get it?
TIA for any answers on this topic.
Thirty+ years as a professional application designer, developer and manager
and I don't have a clue about what you are proposing. I must have been in a
different world. :)
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[PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
Il Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:23:35 +0200, Maciej Liżewski ha scritto: persistent application servers load resources only on startup (or when needed) and keep them in memory until programatically freed or until end of application (server shutdown). You don't mention the downsides: - every application must be structured to not overwrite session data (you risk saving one user's data in another user's space) - when changing even a single line in your code, you must restart (shutdown and start up) the whole app, closing all user connections and possibly losing all session data, forcing users to relogin. - memory leaks are much more problematic - you must manage threads, somehow, sometime. Application servers have (IMHO) very little advantages (counters, and?) and a lot of disadvantages. All (or nearly all) the advantages of application server have been superseded in PHP (precompiled caches, memcache, gearman, ... nodephp :) without losing its advantages (you can change a single file in the app and the precompiled cache auto-updates. You risk less with memory leaks, etc.) Yes, some things are easier in Java (threading, syncronizing, etc.) but you can always write abstraction classes to do that for you. I don't think I would use a PHP application server, even if it existed. Bye. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
On 9/26/2012 11:23 AM, Maciej Liżewski wrote:
Well.. many things changed during last 30 years. Cobol is not
mainstream, we have got OOP, Java, Python, Ruby, Google and other
great things :)
I am talking about stateful application server. There are plenty
examples in other programming languages: Java has Jetty, Tomcat, Ruby
On Rails, Python and Passenger WSGI.
All of them have one common thing: application persist in memory
between requests. Even for interpreted languages (such Ruby) - this
has advantage of loading sources only once, parse it only once and
initialize memory structures for those definitions only once. On the
opposite - PHP loads EVERY single resource on every request. This is
why it needs op-code cachers, accelerators etc.
Another advantage of using stateful application servers is that you
can simply keep gloabal state of your application (global variables,
static object properties) in memory. It simplifies many tasks which in
PHP require sessions, writing files with serialized data and
deserialize them on every request...
Just imagine such scenarios:
now PHP acts like this on every request:
1. locate resources (source files in this case), parse and load them
(possibly with op-code cache)
2. initialize global context ($_SERVER, $GLOBALS, $_POST, $_GET, etc)
3. run code
4. destroy all resource and free memory for next request
persistent application servers load resources only on startup (or when
needed) and keep them in memory until programatically freed or until
end of application (server shutdown). So every request looks like
this:
1. initialize global context
2. run already parsed code
is that makes whole thing clear?
Another nice example - simple counter. In PHP you have to:
1. read file with counter
2. increment value
3. write serialized value to file
...on every request.
in Java (for example) you just write class:
class Counter {
static private counter = 0;
public void increment() {
this.counter++;
}
}
and because class definition persists in application server - static
member is maintained between requests and whole things works as
expected...
2012/9/26 Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com:
On 9/26/2012 5:58 AM, Maciej Liżewski wrote:
Hi,
Maybe this topic have been already on board, but I could not find nothing
in google, so my question to PHP maintaneers (and other users too) is:
Why there is no possibility to run PHP in application server way among
other SAPI modules and other possibilities to run PHP? PHP would encounter
great performance boost and became more enterprise :) Just look at Ruby
which is slow as hell compared even with PHP.
By application server I mean scenario when there is statefull
application
on server side not only by session mechanizms but all classes definitions
maintained in memory (no need to load class definition on every request),
static class members (and their changes) persistent, background threads,
etc. This way any op-code cachers won't be necessary...
sounds great, huh? others have it already, so why doesn't PHP? are there
any cons? problems too hard to solve (one can be memory leaks, thread safe
coding, etc)? I mean it - I am realy curious why there is no such
possibility and is there any hope we could get it?
TIA for any answers on this topic.
Thirty+ years as a professional application designer, developer and manager
and I don't have a clue about what you are proposing. I must have been in a
different world. :)
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Sounds to me like you'd need more hardware to support such a concept. I
realize that memory can be mapped to disk to avoid the need to have HUGE
amounts of ram in your server(S!) but with ever-increasing processor
speed, is it really necessary to go this route?
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Maciej Liżewski
maciej.lizew...@gmail.com wrote:
in Java (for example) you just write class:
class Counter {
static private counter = 0;
public void increment() {
this.counter++;
}
}
And here's where things go wrong.. You assume ++ is an atomic
operation, but in Java that's not true for static variables (it is for
local, but what does it matter?)
So you might end up with a race condition here where the counter will
only be incremented once when there are two or more threads. You need
a mutex or semaphore to make sure there's only one thread
reading/writing the counter at the same time (though volatile would
work here too probably).
Writing scripts for an application server requires a much deeper
understanding of threads and computer internals,so as a result it
probably increases error rate.
I think Alessandro explained the rest of the downsides pretty clearly.
- Matijn
Ps. Please bottom-post on this mailing list
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
On 9/26/12 10:18, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: Writing scripts for an application server requires a much deeper understanding of threads and computer internals,so as a result it probably increases error rate. Well... yes and no. PHP's architecture pretty much keeps you from having to mess with thread management, but it does so by shifting the burden to a higher level, either process management of multiple PHP processes or thread management within the context of the HTTP server. If your application is sufficiently simple, that shift may be enough to keep you from having to worry about the problem. For most applications, however, it's still a concern. In some ways, this can make things worse, simply because PHP programmers tend to be oblivious of the potential problems, whereas the typical C# or Java programmer has at least some awareness of the various traps that await them. As an example, I see PHP code *all the time* that is wide open to concurrency issues with the database. Most code just assumes it's the only code doing updates, but unless the server is set up to serialize requests, that's an invalid assumption. Recently, more folks have started to address this by using database transactions, but this is often done in ignorance of what isolation level is being used and what the impact of that is upon the code - which can just make things worse. Even when there is that awareness, there are database concurrency issues with which transactions can't help. (Of course, people who are aware of isolation levels also tend to be aware of other concurrency issues.) The point is, if you have multiple things running in parallel, whether that be threads within your application or entirely separate physical servers running multiple copies of your application, you have to deal with concurrency issues. It's a necessary evil of parallel programming, and no mere technological solution (language, database, whatever), now or in the future, can fully overcome it. Well, maybe an AI engine somewhere in the chain, but that's about it, and that's not coming anytime soon. Incidentally, another advantage of PHP's share-nothing approach that hasn't been mentioned is relatively easy scalability. In a shared pool architecture, the easiest way to scale is typically vertically, that is, adding RAM, faster drives, etc. This is fine, but you can only scale vertically to a certain point, which you can usually hit pretty quickly. With PHP's share-nothing approach, you can still scale vertically, but you can almost as easily scale horizontally by adding more servers that each run merrily in their own worlds, with the primary added coordination logic being in the areas of communicating with the database and the data cache, something the application should be designed with, anyway. In contrast, the shared approach requires added logic, somewhere, to coordinate the sharing amongst the pools of all that data that the application takes for granted is always available at low cost. Having said all that, there are many advantages and disadvantages to both approaches. And honestly, I would love to have the option of a shared approach with PHP, since that architecture simply works better as a solution to certain problems. Assuming the shared-nothing model continues on, it would make PHP that much more well-rounded. In that respect, the added option isn't that different from the addition of OOP: we now have the great ability to use procedural code where it makes sense, and to use OOP code where it makes sense. Where neither is a perfect fit, you can choose the one that creates the least personal pain. It's a wonderful choice to have. Regards, Bob -- Robert E. Williams, Jr. Associate Vice President of Software Development Newtek Businesss Services, Inc. -- The Small Business Authority https://www.newtekreferrals.com/rewjr http://www.thesba.com/ Notice: This communication, including attachments, may contain information that is confidential. It constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If the reader or recipient of this communication is not the intended recipient, an employee or agent of the intended recipient who is responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, or if you believe that you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. The unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail or telephone and delete the e-mail and the attachments (if any). -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP Bounce messages
On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, if possible. Why would I do anything else? -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Bounce messages
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote: On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, if possible. Why would I do anything else? I believe Lester is referring to the behaviour of the Reply-To: field sent by the list serv, which is the sender's address. Some other listservs put the list reply address in Reply-To: -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP Re: PHP Bounce messages
On 21 Sep 2012 at 20:56, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote: On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, if possible. Why would I do anything else? I believe Lester is referring to the behaviour of the Reply-To: field sent by the list serv, which is the sender's address. Some other listservs put the list reply address in Reply-To: Thanks, I'm with you now. And I also do the To: cc: musical chairs. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP Re: Programmers and developers needed
On 19 Sep 2012 at 16:32, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: unless they were a majority is the thing that bothers me. Getting a majority is hard, take for example the Dutch Politics [1]. Our country is now led by a parliament of 10 different political parties. Getting things done now is really hard, because each party has their own goals and finding a majority is for almost impossible. If all the parties were strictly following their own will, there would probably only a handful things done. The only way to get things done now is by making compromises. And so Dutch governments only last short periods of time, and it takes a long time to create a coalition. This is why Proportional Representation is such a bad idea. Better to have strong government with a clear mandate, and if you don't like it, vote it out next time. By the way what does any of this have to do with PHP? Nothing, I think. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP from ASP using AJAX?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:03:55 -0700, Girish Talluru wrote: Can we able to call PHP script from ASP using AJAX? Yup. If you're talking about Classic ASP (VBScript) then here's a few examples. They talk about WordPress, but really any PHP service will work the same. http://snippets.webaware.com.au/snippets/integrating-classic-asp-with-wordpress-using-ajax/ ( http://goo.gl/rHlgF ) -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia Let the laddie play wi the knife - he'll learn - The Wee Book of Calvin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] Separate apc-caches for each fpm-pool
Sorry, I first posted it with the wrong subject ([PHP-DEV] instead of [PHP]) http://news.php.net/php.general/318898 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Simon Schick simonsimc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all Not to get the bugfix https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=57825 too much off-topic, I write this question in the mailinglist here: Taking the case I have two fpm-pools on different sockets - the first pool is responsible for www.example1.com and the second one for www.example2.com. If www.example1.com has 4 workers, they're all using the same apc-cache. That's absolutely as expected. But also the workers of www.example2.com are using this cache. In my opinion it would be nice if the pools would have a separate cache. I now found a solution for this: Just use more than one fpm-master that is controlling the pools. (http://groups.drupal.org/node/198168) Is this the way to go, or do you know of another way? Should this be added to the APC- or fpm-documentation or is it enough that you can find f.e. it using Google, if you need it? Bye Simon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] echo into variable or the like
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:01 AM, s@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Hi, this is my first post so forgive me if I missed a rule and do something
wrong.
I have this code,
echo $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'].?;
foreach ($_GET as $urlvar=$urlval)
echo $urlvar.=.$urlval.;
It works by it’s self.
I want to insert the output in a table. Is there a way to ‘echo’ into a
variable(i.e. make the output of this echo the value of a variable) or am I
on the wrong track all together?
This question actually belongs on the PHP General mailing list.
As for echoing into a variable, the only way that's really
possible is with output buffering (ob_start(), ob_get_contents(),
ob_end_clean(), et al). However, you don't need (and shouldn't want)
to do this here. Instead, as your snippet really won't do much of
anything useful, you should (entirely) rewrite your code to look
something like this, for an HTML table:
?php
echo $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'].'?'.PHP_EOL;
echo 'table'.PHP_EOL;
foreach ($_GET as $key = $value) {
echo ' tr'.PHP_EOL;
echo ' td'.$key.'/td'.PHP_EOL;
echo ' td'.$value.'/td'.PHP_EOL;
echo ' /tr'.PHP_EOL;
}
echo '/table';
?
However, since it looks almost as if you're trying to build a
query string based upon the supplied GET variables, you may want to
try looking into http_build_query().
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] php error
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM, tomas lagro tomas.la...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, my name is tomas, i'm having a problem and i've checked a lot of times the script and it is not that, because in my local xampp server it works correctly, the issue is that i have a form on my webpage and when you submitt it, the post values are not being requested, so the query array has no values and has no result because of this. Is this a php.ini mistake? what can it be because its driving me crazy. Thanks for ypur time This email belongs on the PHP General mailing list (CC'd), Tomas, and you should subscribe to that list at php-general-subscr...@lists.php.net to follow the discussion and get help with your questions. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] php error
can we see the code of the form ? On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM, tomas lagro tomas.la...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, my name is tomas, i'm having a problem and i've checked a lot of times the script and it is not that, because in my local xampp server it works correctly, the issue is that i have a form on my webpage and when you submitt it, the post values are not being requested, so the query array has no values and has no result because of this. Is this a php.ini mistake? what can it be because its driving me crazy. Thanks for ypur time This email belongs on the PHP General mailing list (CC'd), Tomas, and you should subscribe to that list at php-general-subscr...@lists.php.net to follow the discussion and get help with your questions. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP session variables
On 8/8/2012 11:24 AM, Ansry User 01 wrote: I am setting the _SESSION variables in one of my file, but whenever I leave the php page session variables are not accessible. Not sure what I need to do additionally other then defining _SESSION[]. Any pointer. You must make it a habit to start each script with session_start(); so that any thing you did in the last script is returned for use in the new script. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re:[PHP] PHP 5.4.6RC1 Released for Testing!
when your do php x64 version? or tell me how i do it. -- Original -- From: Stas Malyshevsmalys...@sugarcrm.com; Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 11:48 AM To: PHP Internalsintern...@lists.php.net; php-general@lists.php.netphp-general@lists.php.net; Subject: [PHP] PHP 5.4.6RC1 Released for Testing! Hi! I've released PHP 5.4.6RC1 which can be found here: http://downloads.php.net/stas/ Windows binaries as always are at: http://windows.php.net/qa/ This is a regular bugfix release, the full list of issues fixed can be found in the NEWS files. Please test and report if anything is broken. If no critical issues is found in this RC, the final version will be released in two weeks. Regards, Stas Malyshev and David Soria Parra -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or acceptable position. Breaking the Internet to prop up industries that don't like being disrupted is not a proper use of governmental power. I'm quite happy to see PHP.net joining in with other defense-of-freedom voices. --Larry Garfield On 7/21/12 1:56 PM, With No Name wrote: On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 13:31 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or acceptable position. Breaking the Internet to prop up industries that don't like being disrupted is not a proper use of governmental power. I'm quite happy to see PHP.net joining in with other defense-of-freedom voices. --Larry Garfield On 7/21/12 1:56 PM, With No Name wrote: On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings From what I can gather is that it will break DNSSEC, which has been designed to establish trusted connections with DNS calls. Essentially, browsers will accept only signed responses from web servers, and SOPA (and PROTECT IP) would be redirecting DNS requests for US citizens, which is precisely the sort of thing DNSSEC is meant to prevent; silent redirection of DNS requests. I'm not normally very vocal about these sorts of things, but it will have ripple effects that can't be predicted in the very industry we all have our livelihoods in, so I'm glad there's resistance against it. -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 09:04:30AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! The real problem is the VAT tax itself. In my opinion, VAT is worse than direct income tax. The only good thing about VAT is that you (presumably) don't have to file returns with every state/province involved. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
-Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 4:05 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php This sounds more like a business annoyance than an internet freedom problem, but okay. Technically, in the US, I thought it is the end-consumer that needs to pay a sales tax to the state where they live. Consumer retail businesses are required to tack them on at the point of sale as a convenience for both the consumer and the government, then pass the money on. The seller only pays taxes, to the municipality(s) where their business is physically located, based on their net profit. So the sales tax itself does not come out of the company's pocket. The company bears the cost of tracking, processing, and forwarding the taxes to the government(s) involved, but that is a deductible expense. Sales taxes are a tedious, but not costly, normal business expense. Really, how hard is it for computer savvy people to sort their sales transactions by customer's state and sum up the sales tax amounts paid so they can write a check every quarter. Many businesses would be happy to have to mail 50 checks every quarter, one to each state. That means they are making sales in every state! That sounds like a profitable business to me. And as far as filling out 50 sales and use tax forms each quarter, they have these things called computers now that make pulling in data and printing forms happen at the touch of a button. Maybe some enterprising programmer could write software to do just that and sell it on the internet. We need to stop playing idealistic revolutionary and help shape real solutions. The fact that you are allowed to run a business on the internet is the internet freedom you are looking for. You have won the revolution! Now, deal with the realities of running a business. Putting your business on the internet should not be a magic pass to avoid the costs of doing business. We need to admit we are part of the system and figure out a streamlined way for internet businesses to pay their fair share. The Free in free economy does not mean it doesn't cost money, time, effort, etc. to do business. The internet is not a magic cloud run by fairy dust. The internet was created by military and higher educational systems, both tax supported entities. Corporations and governments maintain the infrastructure that keeps the internet working. Without governments and corporations there would be no internet. They are the internet. The alternative is to go back to ham radios. Sorry for the rant, this is a hot button topic for me. Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Paul M Foster wrote: There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! The real problem is the VAT tax itself. In my opinion, VAT is worse than direct income tax. The only good thing about VAT is that you (presumably) don't have to file returns with every state/province involved. The EU does have VAT sorted nicely across all the states of Europe, and I simply fill in a VAT return each quarter in the UK. For VAT registered European customers we simply bill them 0% rated, so there is no need for cross border paperwork at all. But European customers who are not VAT registered pay the rate of of the country the supplier is based in, which gives some small plus and minus advantages. Anything that comes into Europe through proper channels will also have VAT added as part of 'customs charges' and businesses simply claim it back, hence the irritation at supply channels bypassing the normal trade routes :( In theory those goods should have had VAT paid when they came into a European warehouse, so it would be nice to know what loophole they use to avoid it ;) And at least VAT only applies when I spend money, higher income tax would hit everything I earn ... but this is getting very much off topic for the list, as 'The Cat Signal' is anyway in my book. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement.
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. I heard back from the webmaster saying that we're already participating with the cat signal on our website. Given this and no objections, I went ahead and contacted them and asked that they list us on their participating members page. --Kris
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Hi, I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -Original Message- From: Kris Craig [mailto:kris.cr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:40 PM To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: Daniel Brown; php-webmas...@lists.php.net; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. I heard back from the webmaster saying that we're already participating with the cat signal on our website. Given this and no objections, I went ahead and contacted them and asked that they list us on their participating members page. --Kris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? It depends on how heavy handed the solution is ... Currently I can't get torrent downloads of Linux distribution DVD's because torrent is blocked. Just because some people abuse a technology is no reason to kill that technology for legitimate uses? Action groups that just target one country are a little irritating to the rest of us ... a world wide solution is needed. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Hi, I agree. My wife is from China and both copyright issues and government enforcement of things have a whole new meaning there, so I understand the concerns on both sides. Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:10 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? It depends on how heavy handed the solution is ... Currently I can't get torrent downloads of Linux distribution DVD's because torrent is blocked. Just because some people abuse a technology is no reason to kill that technology for legitimate uses? Action groups that just target one country are a little irritating to the rest of us ... a world wide solution is needed. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu Can we officially accept it now? It sounds like everyone is all for this. We're already technically a member anyway with the cat signal code implemented, plus I've already reached out to them based on this thread and the response I got from our webmaster. Do we have any procedure or secret handshake or whatever for this, or can we just say, Yep we're down with this and be done with it? =) --Kris
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu Can we officially accept it now? It sounds like everyone is all for this. We're already technically a member anyway with the cat signal code implemented, plus I've already reached out to them based on this thread and the response I got from our webmaster. Do we have any procedure or secret handshake or whatever for this, or can we just say, Yep we're down with this and be done with it? =) You need to write an RFC, run one round around a church, submit a call for open discussion for the request for comment, run backwards around a church, spit on the grave of your first born, then vote. Or in other words; What exactly are you looking to do here? If we are already pencilled down as members, great! Is there anything else left then? -Hannes -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Hannes Magnusson hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu Can we officially accept it now? It sounds like everyone is all for this. We're already technically a member anyway with the cat signal code implemented, plus I've already reached out to them based on this thread and the response I got from our webmaster. Do we have any procedure or secret handshake or whatever for this, or can we just say, Yep we're down with this and be done with it? =) You need to write an RFC, run one round around a church, submit a call for open discussion for the request for comment, run backwards around a church, spit on the grave of your first born, then vote. Or in other words; What exactly are you looking to do here? If we are already pencilled down as members, great! Is there anything else left then? -Hannes I don't think so, no. I just wanted to double-check and make sure I'm being kosher in asking them to list us and our logo on their top members page. =) --Kris P.S. I don't have any dead kids yet, so can I substitute someone else's dead kid to spit on?
[PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Hannes Magnusson hannes.magnus...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. He is everywhere. But I thought we were already 'members'? See also http://php.markmail.org/message/7e4uqo73fmtlgjeo -Hannes Thanks, that was the mail that I was referring to. I didn't see anybody reply on that thread, so except we replied in private (why would we do that?) I guess we never officially accepted that invitation. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu Can we officially accept it now? It sounds like everyone is all for this. We're already technically a member anyway with the cat signal code implemented, plus I've already reached out to them based on this thread and the response I got from our webmaster. Do we have any procedure or secret handshake or whatever for this, or can we just say, Yep we're down with this and be done with it? =) You need to write an RFC, run one round around a church, submit a call for open discussion for the request for comment, run backwards around a church, spit on the grave of your first born, then vote. Or in other words; What exactly are you looking to do here? If we are already pencilled down as members, great! Is there anything else left then? -Hannes I don't think so, no. I just wanted to double-check and make sure I'm being kosher in asking them to list us and our logo on their top members page. =) Great. let us know how it goes. -Hannes -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Jeff Burcher wrote: Hi, I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on *all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. Governments and large corporations are about power and *control*. The internet is the antithesis of this. So expect their efforts to control some or all of the internet to continue until they succeed. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
-Original Message-
From: Tim Dunphy [mailto:bluethu...@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 June 2012 01:18
Hey guys,
It's been a little while since I've toyed with this, and I hope you
don't mind my coming back to you for some more advice. But I've
enjoyed some limited success with David R's advice regarding adding
some strong quoting to the mix. Here is what I last tried -
form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['[PHP_SELF'] .'
Wow! That's completely wacko! (OK, just looked at the full code and
seen it's in the middle of a single-quoted echo, so it's not that bad
after all :). You've got a spare [ in there -- the notice saying
Undefined index: [PHP_SELF should have alerted you to this, as the
index you want is just plain PHP_SELF.
form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] .'
The pages do work, and the form checking code does its job (empty
text
displays what information is missing). Except that there is an
annoying message that appears on screen and in the logs -
Notice: Undefined index: subject in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendema
il.php
on line 23 Notice: Undefined index: elvismail in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendema
il.php
on line 24 Notice: Undefined index: [PHP_SELF in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendema
il.php
on line 62
Looking at the relevant bit of your script (assume this is line 23
onward):
$subject = $_POST['subject'];
$text = $_POST['elvismail'];
$output_form = false;
if (isset($_POST['Submit'])) {
You're accessing $_POST['subject'] and $_POST['elvismail'] *before* the
check to see if this is a from a form submission - on the initial access,
to just display the form, these $_POST indexes will not be set so
causing the notices.
You either need to put the assignments inside the
if (isset($POST['Submit']))
branch, or conditionalise them in some way, such as:
$subject = isset($_POST['subject']) ? $_POST['subject'] : NULL;
$text = isset($_POST['elvismail']) ? $_POST['elvismail'] : NULL;
Another oddity in your script is that you're using the string values
true and false instead of the Boolean true and false. Because of
the way PHP typecasts, both true and false are actually regarded
as Boolean true, which could get a little confusing -- so it's much
better (and probably more efficient) to use the proper Boolean values.
Also, it enables your later test to be written, with confidence, as
just
if ($output_form) {
Also, also, with a little bit of rearrangement of the tests, you can
reduce the amount of code a bit:
if (!empty($subject) !empty($text)) {
// Both inputs supplied -- good to go.
$output_form = false;
} else {
// At least one input missing -- need to redisplay form
$output_form = true;
if (empty($subject)) {
if (empty($text)) {
echo 'You forgot the email subject and body.br /';
} else {
echo 'You forgot the email subject.br /';
}
} else {
echo 'You forgot the email body text.br /';
}
}
Actually, I think my inclination would be to assign $output_form
first, and then do the rest of the tests:
$output_form = empty($subject) || empty($text);
if ($output_form) {
// At least one input missing -- work out which one
if (empty($subject))
if (empty($text)) {
echo 'You forgot the email subject and body.br /';
} else {
echo 'You forgot the email subject.br /';
}
} else {
echo 'You forgot the email body text.br /';
}
}
That said, there are lots of personal preferences involved here, and
I'm sure others would offer different possibilities. (Me personally,
I also prefer the alternative block syntax with initial : and end...
tags -- but then, the forests of curly braces others seem to find
acceptable make my eyes go fuzzy, so go figure)
Cheers!
Mike
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Re: [PHP] Re: php batch/queue framwork
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Re: [PHP] Re: php batch/queue framwork
On 06/29/2012 05:18 AM, Tom Sparks wrote: Forwarded Message: php-general_318334.ezm Re: php batch/queue framwork Friday, 29 June, 2012 6:30 AM From: Shailesh N. Humbad humb...@alum.mit.edu To: php-general@lists.php.net On 6/28/2012 11:58 AM, Tom Sparks wrote: I am looking for a batch/queue framework that is database-centric? I could write my own, but I want one that is mature tom_a_sparks It's a nerdy thing I like to do You could try Amazon Simple Queue Service: http://aws.amazon.com/sqs/ Use the PHP SDK: http://aws.amazon.com/sdkforphp/ I was hoping for something that I could run local on my host tom Have a look at Beanstalk and Gearman. They're the most common run-yourself queues I've seen, and both have PHP libraries available. ZeroMQ is also the darling of the queuing world these days, but I don't know off hand how good the PHP support is. You won't find a GOOD database-centric queue framework, rather by definition. A queuing server may use a DB of some kind as a backend itself, but a queue server by definition pushes tasks to workers that are waiting for it. That's simply not how an SQL DB is designed. You would have to do a polling worker that polls a database for new tasks. You could write such a system -- Drupal comes with one as a default implementation since then you don't need a separate queueing program, for instance -- but it will always be greatly inferior to a real daemonized queue server. --Larry Garfield -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: php batch/queue framwork
Forwarded Message: php-general_318334.ezm Re: php batch/queue framwork Friday, 29 June, 2012 6:30 AM From: Shailesh N. Humbad humb...@alum.mit.edu To: php-general@lists.php.net On 6/28/2012 11:58 AM, Tom Sparks wrote: I am looking for a batch/queue framework that is database-centric? I could write my own, but I want one that is mature tom_a_sparks It's a nerdy thing I like to do You could try Amazon Simple Queue Service: http://aws.amazon.com/sqs/ Use the PHP SDK: http://aws.amazon.com/sdkforphp/ I was hoping for something that I could run local on my host tom -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: php batch/queue framwork
On 6/28/2012 11:58 AM, Tom Sparks wrote: I am looking for a batch/queue framework that is database-centric? I could write my own, but I want one that is mature tom_a_sparks It's a nerdy thing I like to do You could try Amazon Simple Queue Service: http://aws.amazon.com/sqs/ Use the PHP SDK: http://aws.amazon.com/sdkforphp/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, It's been a little while since I've toyed with this, and I hope you don't mind my coming back to you for some more advice. But I've enjoyed some limited success with David R's advice regarding adding some strong quoting to the mix. Here is what I last tried - Please bottom post on this (and probably any) mailing list. form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['[PHP_SELF'] .' This must be some typo, it should read form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] .' $from = 'bluethu...@jokefire.com'; $subject = $_POST['subject']; $text = $_POST['elvismail']; $output_form = false; Try using $subject = isset($_POST['subject']) ? $_POST['subject'] : ; $subject = isset($_POST['elvismail']) ? $_POST['elvismail'] : ; Cheers, Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, It's been a little while since I've toyed with this, and I hope you don't mind my coming back to you for some more advice. But I've enjoyed some limited success with David R's advice regarding adding some strong quoting to the mix. Here is what I last tried - form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['[PHP_SELF'] .' Just a wee typo here: You've quoted '[PHP_SELF' -- the extra bracket at the beginning what's wrong there. Should just be 'PHP_SELF'. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote:
One more little thing:
These notices:
Notice: Undefined index: subject in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php
on line 23 Notice: Undefined index: elvismail in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php
show up because you are processing form fields in $_POST when there
might not be any yet.
These lines:
$from = 'bluethu...@jokefire.com';
$subject = $_POST['subject'];
$text = $_POST['elvismail'];
$output_form = false;
Should appear *after* this line:
if (isset($_POST['Submit'])) {
You should also check the $_POST entries for 'subject' and 'elvismail'
to make sure they are set to avoid the notices, even if you do move
them after the submit check. You never know!
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Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:caozy0em5duhby-qv+y1u-e+c5yd7g5utauhomoyu3z7jma-...@mail.gmail.com... Notice: Undefined index: subject in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 23 Notice: Undefined index: elvismail in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 24 Notice: Undefined index: [PHP_SELF in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 62 [Wed Jun 27 20:13:42 2012] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Notice: Undefined index: [PHP_SELF in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 62, referer: http://localhost/elvis/ You're missing an input (POST) for the field named 'subject'. Something change in your html? As in you no longer have a 'subject' input field? Same for the other field named. As for the missing PHP_SELF - did you start a session? I could be way off on this. The errors are even giving you the line number so it shouldn't be hard to find! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: php script can't self reference
On 20-06-2012 15:55, Tim Dunphy wrote: Hello list, I just wanted to bounce a slight issue that I'm having off you regarding self referencing a php script. Moving from the 'sendemail.htm' page where a form is used to the 'sendemail.php' page that is in the form action works fine! But if you reload the page, the php part of the equation loses track of it's $_POST[] variables, and you see the following errors in the output of the php page: Notice: Undefined index: subject in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 19 Notice: Undefined index: elvismail in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php This is the original form from the sendemail.html page: form method=post action=sendemail.php label for=subjectSubject of email:/labelbr / input id=subject name=subject type=text size=30 /br / label for=elvismailBody of email:/labelbr / textarea id=elvismail name=elvismail rows=8 cols=40/textareabr / input type=submit name=Submit value=Submit / /form The reason you're seeing this behaviour is actually quite simple. POST data is only available when a POST action has been performed. Most actions are not post, but usually GETs. Due to you specifying 'method=post'in your HTML form, pressing the submit button sends a POST request to your PHP script. When you refresh the page, your browser sends a GET request, without any data whatsoever (because it doesn't submit the form in any way). Some browsers are smart and actually ask you if you want to resubmit the page, but you shouldn't count on it. So... how to resolve your problem? Well, you can prefill a form with the data submitted. That way, the user can resubmit the form without having to fully refill it him (or her)self. This is done by passing the data for each element in the value-attribute (for input), a selected-attribute (for select) or as the content (for textarea): input type=text name=a / will just give an empty input element. But input type=text name=a value=?php echo (isset($_POST['a']) ? $a : '');? / will show the value of the previously posted request, if any. Otherwise, it will just be empty. input name=something type=whatever value=data select name=something option value=something selected=selected option value=something not selected /select textarea name=somethingdata goes here/textarea Hope this helps. - Tul -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
