[PEDA] Schematic Title Block - Please Explain
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Title: Schematic Title Block - Please Explain Hi all, Im having trouble wrapping my head around the Schematic title block in 99SE. I dont have a Default template file loaded (under Tools-Preferences). This setting gives a simple title block with no graphics etc. Nice, Im happy except for one thing the filename has its full path displayed and more often than not extends into and way past the Drawn By box. The other nice thing about this title block is that I can go into Document Options and change the template size and the title block always stays in the bottom right-hand corner. So my first question is where is this title block stored so I can modify it (if possible)? Now when I load a Default Template from Tools - Preferences it has the big Protel logo with Protels full address etc, etc on it. I dont remember working for Protel At least I dont think I do These templates are no good to me. These are the ones in the Templates.ddb. I realize I can generate my own template, but that brings up another problem resizing the sheet on the fly. If I use a custom template and change its size with Document Options, then the title block stays where it is (it doesnt stay in the bottom right hand corner). Useless. That means I have to make a template for every size of sheet I want? Eugh. So I guess my second question is is a custom template for every sheet size I use the only way? All I want is the standard template without the full file path displayed in it. Is this asking too much? Sorry about the longwinded spiel, but I think this is important and its been bugging me for a long time. Thanks in advance for any guidance, TC
Re: [PEDA] Schematic Title Block - Please Explain
Ugh, Sorry about the garbled crap - Office keeps insisting on HTML messages - should be fixed now... TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
If you want it to do it in the Print Preview, without messing about with Gerbers, do the following: 1). On an unused mechanical layer, create a fill that covers the entire PCB design. 2). Create a Print preview, as per normal. 3). Choose Full Colour for your print. 4). In the preferences click the colours tab and make the Top / Bottom Layers and Multilayers WHITE. 5). Make the via and pad holes BLACK 6). Make the Mechanical Fill BLACK 7). Do your prints with the mechanical fill at the bottom, and move the orders of the layers as suits you. I used to go (From the top): Multilayer, Top/Bottom Copper, Mechanical fill. Unfortunately, there is no 'simple' way to do this, but my way works. Good luck! TC -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:30 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output when you setup to output the gerbers the option to invert the outputs is there just check the box - Original Message - From: Jeff Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: [PEDA] Negative Film Output How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. Any help appreciated. Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
Hi Ian, We use PDF995 here and I just had a look - sure enough, under Postscript Options are the options to go Negative or Mirrored (or both). Mirrored seems to work, but Negative doesn't seem to do much... Anyone else tried it? TC -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:20 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output On 05:11 AM 28/09/2004, Jeff Stout said: How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. I thought PDF writers used a postscript printer driver. I thought all (most maybe) postscript printer drivers had the option of mirroring output and making it negative. Look in the Advanced dialog of the printer properties page. If you don't have access to these settings in the PDF writer you are using, you could try installing another postscript printer (connect it to the FILE: device), printing to file (as a PS file) and then using Acrobat or Ghostscript to print to transperancy. (The mirroring is useful, depending on what layer you are printing, to ensure the ink on the transparency is in contact with the light sensitive copper clad. Gives significantly better edge definition. Been more than a decade since I last made a home brew - used to have to do it on some security related stuff that the company owners did not want being sent out for commercial PCB manufacture. The camera we used was some expensive Fuji or Xerox or something - big UV thing. I remember that the gas lift hinges were wearing out and the very heavy lid would come crashing down. There was one accident prone tech who would spend time carefully lining up the film with the some cross hairs while leaning over the open camera - we would hear Owww! from the dark room as the lid came crashing down on his head.) Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Thickest Copper
I'm doing a 3oz (105um) at the moment and we have a customer who regularly orders 4oz (140um) for their wheelchair controllers. TC -Original Message- From: Jeff Condit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:13 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Thickest Copper Provided you have wide spaces between traces, what is the thickest copper (internal/external foil/plating) commonly acceptable to your Fab houses? Jeff Condit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Video Board Recommendations ?
Hi Linden, To date, all of the machines I've used for Protel have run nVidia based cards without a problem. I've used the following cards, and all ran without hiccups: nVidia Vanta 16mb (not enough memory for anything other than a small design) nVidia GeForce 2 32Mb (still not quite enough memory) nVidia GeForce 4 MX 64Mb nVidia GeForce 4 MX 128Mb nVidia GeForce FX 5200 128Mb (in current machine) None have had dual outputs, but you can easily set up dual outputs in WinXP with a second PCI video card. (See my post Multiple Displays a month or so ago). TC -Original Message- From: Linden Doyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 2:28 PM To: PEDA Subject: [PEDA] Video Board Recommendations ? Greetings all, I have heard that some brands of video cards can show problems when running Protel. Does anyone have any recommendations as to whose video boards work well and those I should steer clear of? I'm not after the latest and greatest video gamers mega-card just something that will reliably display Protel PCBs and Schematics preferably upgradable to a dual monitor setup (either a board with 2 outputs or the ability to operate with 2 seperate boards) Best Regards, Linden Doyle Product Development Engineer Zener Electric Pty Ltd. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] 99SE XP behaviour
I see this all of the time. First, Unhide all Designators' and Comments' on components: Double click a component, untick the hide box on the designator and the comment, press the Global button and hit OK. Now you can see all Designators and Comments. Next, (you need Service Pack 6 for this) double click again on the component, set designators and comments Autoposition to Centre, GlobalOk. If you don't want/have Service Pack 6 then you have to move designators and comments by hand to the middle of the component. Now the comment and designators should be in the centre of the component. You can hide them again and now you should be able to select the way you want... Hope that helps! TC ...PS - check the components are not LOCKED! -Original Message- From: Jim Monroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 20 August 2004 7:39 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] 99SE XP behaviour At 01:10 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote: Watching already at my 30-day demo of 99SE i see some problems with selecting a group of components. I use mouse to select them or use edit-select-inside area way. But it only highlights these parts optically, not really. Selecting ALL parts on PCB works fine I've never see a case where parts were visibly selected, but not selected for editing or moving purposes. How do you know the parts aren't really selected? If you redraw the screen (use the END key) does the visible selection disappear? You might want to check that you have the latest service pack, SP6, installed (if it will work with the demo). You can get it from the Altium web site. BTW, can you still purchase 99se new in box or do you have purchase a previously owned licence? JM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] lost snap
Hi Kathy, Firstly, make sure the current layer is the same as the one you are trying to move. Secondly go into your layer options (press 'L'), Hit the Options tab and make sure 'Electrical Grid' is checked. Hope that gets you out of trouble! TC -Original Message- From: Kathy Li [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] lost snap Hi all, I've just recently been using protel 99, with which I'm not so familiar. I have a question: I lost the snap cursor in pcb file by accident. I don't know when and how I lost it. It just didn't work in these couple of days. When I select drawing lines and move the cursor to a pad or sth, it doesn't change to a square-shaped snapping. I'm sure the Tools-Preferences-Options: Snap to Center is checked. So why still can't I have my snap? Thanks in advance for anybody's help. Regards, Kathy Li RD Engineer ETS Instruments New Zealand Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --=_NextPartTM-000-2eab9414-e70f-40ae-b3b4-0ba799ba7038-- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Multiple Displays
Hi all, Just for the record, at home I have a 'budget' dual setup as follows: 19CRT as main display running off a Geforce4 MX AGP (cheapie) 15CRT as secondary display running off an(ancient but reliable) Tseng Labs ET6100 in a free PCI port. According to Micro$oft, this should not be possible with this particular PCI card, but is (for those who are interested) if you set the PCI video card as the primary in your BIOS. Voi la! Dual monitors on a budget! Just my $0.02, TC -Original Message- From: John A. Ross [RSDTV] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 6 August 2004 10:16 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Multiple Displays -Original Message- From: Jim Monroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:54 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Multiple Displays I'm getting ready to add a second monitor for use with DXP04 running on Win2k. I'm hoping those with experience can guide me in the right direction. I'm thinking about adding a 15 or 17 inch flat panel as the secondary display to my 21 CRT. I thought the flat panel would be used for display of panels and reports while the CRT would be used for the editing workspace. Here are some things I'm curious sure about: 1. Is this a good strategy? Jim Most definitely a wise move although be aware of the trade off on LCD panals as most at 17 will only support 1280x1024 so in some instances a case can be made for a second 21 @ 1600x1200 plus instead. 2. Is my proposed mix of CRT and flat panel even feasible, and can the flat panel be set for a lower resolution than the CRT. If this is hardware dependant, is there anything special I should know? There is also a lot to be said when swapping panels between monitors of same resolution so as not to lose a part of the panel off screen! Yes they can be mixed, I have used matrox cards for long and weary and never seen an issue, first was G100/MilleniumII up to Parhelia (2 monitor mode, don't use 3 monitor stretched). 3. I'd like to hear about multi-display configurations that work especially well (or don't work well). Currently at home I use a Parhelia working in 2 monitor mode, and an additional nVidia PCI card for the third monitor all at 1280x1024 Flat panel display (2 x DVI, 1 x RGB). I thought this would be good for a while but find this configuration slightly less productive than the dual 1600x1200 20 CRT. I had considered a 4th but there is no desk space left :-) John * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Changing CAM Gerber defaults
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi all, Does anyone know if I can _permanently_ change the default settings in the CAM Gerber output properties dialogue box? I want to change the film size in particular Im using P99SE. Thanks in advance! TC
Re: [PEDA] Changing CAM Gerber defaults
Whoa! Apologies for that html garbled crap! I don't know what I did differently... Perhaps Microsoft's 'user friendliness' stepping in again? TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Shortcuts in 99SE ?
Hi Dennis, See page 30 of the P99SE Handbook. Just right click in a DDB window and choose 'Link' from the menu (the menu that contains New, Import, Import Folder, Import Project, Link, View). Cheers, TC -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2004 10:31 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Shortcuts in 99SE ? in the 99SE DDB system (not the windows file system) it is not possible to add a shortcut (or link) to an external file, is it ? would a be nice feature Dennis Saputelli -- ___ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] FW: Shortcuts in 99SE ?
Apologies for the double post, but I just read Page 30 of the manual a little closer and it mentions this linking process, but doesn't tell you how to do it!!! Anyway, to follow up, I tried it on several external files on my HDD and it works with PCBs, Libs, Schs, Word Docs, but unfortunately not PDFs. Ah well, can't have everything I guess... TC -Original Message- From: Terry Creer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2004 11:53 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: RE: [PEDA] Shortcuts in 99SE ? Hi Dennis, See page 30 of the P99SE Handbook. Just right click in a DDB window and choose 'Link' from the menu (the menu that contains New, Import, Import Folder, Import Project, Link, View). Cheers, TC -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2004 10:31 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Shortcuts in 99SE ? in the 99SE DDB system (not the windows file system) it is not possible to add a shortcut (or link) to an external file, is it ? would a be nice feature Dennis Saputelli -- ___ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] We Need Your Help!
Tom and All, Surely there's someway of manipulating the library files in a text editor or similar to make the translation of the overlay easier? Replace All in Notepad? There's plenty of text editors/hackers etc around or maybe someone can code something (I'm no programmer at the best of times) to batch convert/modify the silkscreen to the correct layer? Just an idea to boot around... TC -Original Message- From: Tom Hausherr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2004 1:06 AM To: Protel Listsrv Cc: Protel Listsrv Subject: [PEDA] We Need Your Help! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0033_01C45DB4.12C62B10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_001_0034_01C45DB4.12C62B10 --=_NextPart_001_0034_01C45DB4.12C62B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Protel Users, We created the original IPC-7351 library in PADS-PowerPCB and are in the process of translating it to Protel DXP and PCAD. We are also creating the Expedition, Board Station, Zuken, Intercept - Pantheon, Electronics Workbench, Allegro and OrCAD versions with other developers and volunteers. We will be offering all the completed libraries in the www.PCBLibraries.com http://www.pcblibraries.com/ download center for free. The entire library is translated to Protel, but the Silkscreen Outlines are on the wrong layer and we need to move it to the correct layer. So far we were able to complete all the BGA's. There about 9,000 parts (and growing) and we need help. If you can help with our effort, we'll have the Protel Library up sooner. Phillip Restall in England is our VP of Product Development. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will send out one component family per person. The IPC-7351 is a 3-Tier library system so there are three groups of every family. Together we can create a One World Library that is proven technology and eliminate duplication of effort, reduce error rate and increase our productivity. Here are the Protel libraries we are creating: SML7351 - Surface Mount Least IPC-7351 - 620 parts SMN7351 - Surface Mount Nominal IPC-7351 - 1003 parts SMM7351 - Surface Mount Most IPC-7351 - 620 parts SMN_MFR - Surface Mount Manufacturing Specific - 262 parts TH - Through-hole - 480 parts AMP - Amp connectors - 388 parts MOLEX - Molex Connectors - 4,547 parts SAMTEC - SAMTEC Connectors - 555 parts BERG - Berg Connectors - 31 parts JST - JST Connectors - 40 parts CUI-STACK - CUI-Stack Connectors - 26 parts HIROSE - Hirose Connectors - 24 parts CONNECTORS - Miscellaneous Connectors - 278 parts SWITCHCRAFT - Switchcraft Connectors - 18 parts KYCON - Kycon Connectors - 21 parts Thank You so much for your help, Tom Tom Hausherr PCB Libraries CEO, Director of Technology 858.592.4826 Phone 847.745.0450 Fax E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@PCBLibraries.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.PCBLibraries.com http://www.pcblibraries.com/ http://www.PCBYellowPages.com http://www.pcbyellowpages.com/ http://www.pcblibraries.com/ http://www.pcbyellowpages.com/ PCB http://www.pcblibraries.com/ Libraries partnered with industry leaders to provide this must-have online resource. Get FREE libraries, productivity tools, technical papers, land pattern calculators, 24/7 email and live support, and interaction with industry experts in a very active online forum! The leading online PCB company directory http://www.pcbyellowpages.com/ offers FREE listings for ALL companies. This popular site with powerful search engine and well-organized categories is sure to help you get FREE global exposure that you would have to buy from anywhere else! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Toggle Layers On/Off in Protel99SE
Thanks for sharing that Yuriy. I use a custom toolbar in PCB to toggle Top, Bottom, Soldermask, Silkscreen, Rats nest, Mechanical 1 and DRC's. Very easy. And a note, by the way - Whenever you want to backup or send your custom toolbar to someone else, do a text search for it in notepad in the file CLIENT99SE.rcs. It's usually the last one at the bottom of the file (for me anyway). That way it's easy to transport you custom toolbar to someone else's computer by just doing a little simple editing in Notepad. My $0.02 TC -Original Message- From: Yuriy khapochkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 11 June 2004 5:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Toggle Layers On/Off in Protel99SE I read about it is this very newsgroup. Add button to PCB editor. Set button parameters as below Process: PCB:DocumentPreferencies Parameters: TopSignal = Toggle Bitmap File: icon you like.bmp Enjoy. I put this buttons for TopSignal = Toggle TopOverlay = Toggle Mechanical3 = Toggle // My Mechanical Top Layer BottomSignal = Toggle BottomOverlay = Toggle Mechanical4 = Toggle // My Mechanical Bottom Layer And two buttons for Top Layer Set and Bottom Layer Set This made layer switching much more convenient. Regards, Yuriy Khapochkin * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] SLOTS?
Hi John, Our CNC programmers prefer it this way. Draw the exact slot on the mechanical layer 1 and then place text inside the slot on the same layer - something like rout and remove. TC -Original Message- From: John Girvan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:24 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] SLOTS? how does protel 99SE handle drilled slots? im placing a slot that is 12.5mm x 17.5mm on a PCB do i just draw this in as a track on a mechanical layer as the size required and specify this to be cut out on the gerber file?... it does not show up on the drill drawing to be drilled, and 99SE hasnt got scope to add slots (holes have one dimension only), so there does not seem to be an alternate way.. any ideas? --=_NextPartTM-000-13053c30-afca-4ef3-9148-d98dd3634116-- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] COLOR each Net
Hi John. In your PCB manager window on the left, select Browse - Nets. Select the net you would like to change, and hit the Edit button. This will bring up the Change Net dialog. TC -Original Message- From: John Girvan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 10 May 2004 1:56 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: [PEDA] COLOR each Net hello there, question: in the toolspreferences dialog in the 'display' tab we have a 'use net color for highlight'... i have that checked and would like to assign specific colors to nets in my design. The protel99SE handbook says i can change these in the 'change net' dialog but i cannot find where that is. any suggestions? jjg --=_NextPartTM-000-4891f53e-4f66-446e-be5e-eb22a6208229-- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Voltage Isolation Calculator
Hi All, Does anyone have a 'bare bones' voltage isolation calculator? I mean bare bones, because I know there's a lot of parameters to take into account like height above sea level, board finishes, etc...etc... I heard from somewhere it's about 0.0025 Volts per millimeter, but I'm not sure under what conditions. Surely there's an Excel program or a stand-alone calculator available (preferably free :)) Thanks, Terry * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] soldermask defined pad (not BGA)
Dom, I did something similar on a board a while ago. I wanted Multilayer pads with one side covered with soldermask and the other side tinned. The way I did it was to make the pads tented (or alternatively you could define a negative soldermask setting) and on the side I wanted tinned, I placed full, thick circles on the soldermask layer right over the pads with the correct expansion setting. In your case, you could do it with fills. Or even one big fill right across the whole connector where you want the pads tinned (providing the pitch is fairly small, that is...). My $0.02 TC - Original Message - From: Dom Bragge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [PEDA] soldermask defined pad (not BGA) I have an SMT connector with skinny pads. I wish to change my footprint so that the pads are 3 times as long BUT the soldermask still defines the physical pad as in the original i.e. only a third of the new length of the pad. Can you think of any 99SE tricky ways of doing this? It seems to me that I might need to bluff protel with multiple co-sited pads or something, so that I get the extra large pad without an SM being generated for it then maybe a smaller pad (directly on top) which will be used to define the SM opening. ?? = --(99SEsp6) Dom Bragge CID Snr PCB Designer Sydney, Australia Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Strange problem with PCB library 99SE
Hi Dennis, I don't normally work this way either - but the client sent their lib in with their pcb in the same ddb. I did the ol' add lib in the library browser, but when I do, only about half the compponents show up in the library. It's not until I export the library, I can browse all of the components... Wierd! TC - Original Message - From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Strange problem with PCB library 99SE we don't normally work this way (lib internal to project ddb) so i am not positive but did you do the Add libs thing (button in browse libs) ? ds Terry Creer wrote: Greetings all, I'm having this strange problem with a project I'm working on. I have the PCB library inside the same database. I go into a PCB document and share that library and a lot of the components do not show up in the library browser window. In order to view all of the components, I have to export the library out of the database (either into another database or just as a lib file). What gives? Any Ideas? I can't remember this ever happening before... Cheers, Terry -- ___ Integrated Controls, Inc. Tel: 415-647-0480 EXT 107 2851 21st StreetFax: 415-647-3003 San Francisco, CA 94110 www.integratedcontrolsinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Strange problem with PCB library 99SE
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Greetings all, I'm having this strange problem with a project I'm working on. I have the PCB library inside the same database. I go into a PCB document and share that library and a lot of the components do not show up in the library browser window. In order to view all of the components, I have to export the library out of the database (either into another database or just as a lib file). What gives? Any Ideas? I can't remember this ever happening before... Cheers, Terry
Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files.
Silly question, I know - but have you got enough hard-drive space available? TC -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2004 12:33 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. I've never hear of such a problem, but try sending the DDB file to Altium and describe your problem. They could test it in a matter of minutes to see if it's something weird on your system, or some inherent problem with Protel. Tony -Original Message- From: Darcy Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] PCB ascii files. Hey Folks, I've been getting an error while trying to save a PCB file in ascii format in Protel 99SE sp6. I get the message Design Explorer Error! File C:\\Temp\xxx.tmp is too large. When I track down this file, I find it to be 53,259,703 bytes. (50.7Mb). I know this process works on smaller designs. I can delete polygons etc from the design and eventually it will work, but it certainly isn't a good design practice. I've already tried things like using a different computer, closing all other programs/files, cut/paste into a new pcb file. I can't seem to find a clean way around this problem. I'm currently running Protel 99SE under windows xp on a P4 2.8GHz with 1Gig of ram, so I don't think its a lack of resources. Any ideas? Does Protel DXP solve this problem? Thanks, Darcy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] File Format Not Recognized
That's wierd! The exact same thing just happened on one of my colleagues computers this morning too! Must be a Friday the 13th thing I guess. The way I solved it was to over write the Client files in the Windows directory with fresh ones (I keep them backed up). I don't know which file was corrupted, but it worked. The only disadvantage is that you lose all your customised settings... Terry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 February 2004 7:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] File Format Not Recognized Hi, I'm having trouble opening schematics. A small window titled Design Explorer pops up with the message File Format Not Recognized when I try to open a newly created schematic. I press OK and the schematic appears to open just fine. I have no difficulties opening existing schematics in older databases; however, I get the same error if I try to create a new schematic. I don't have this problem creating/opening PCB documents. Any ideas? Thank you, Steve Allen Manufacturing Services, Inc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Autorouter
Thomas, I presume 4/4 is 4mil tracks with 4mil clearances etc, etc... TC -Original Message- From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 21 January 2004 12:27 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Autorouter Please excuse my ignorance, what are 4/4, 5/5 etc...? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gerber output problems
What!? How are single sided through hole boards supposed to be done then? We just use Multilayer pads and uncheck plating when doing single sided boards. Every manufacturer I've come across has no problem with this. TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel PCB fornat
I have a PDF (160kb) explaining the format. Let me know if anyone wants me to email it to them... TC -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:05 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel PCB fornat Mike Reagan wrote: Hello All Does anyone know a source or information for the format of Protel 99SE ASCII PCB files. I intend to modify ASCII files but would like to know the real format. Gee, it is really pretty self explanatory. You can just read the files, and the word that defines what primitive is on that line tells you pretty much what it is. One of the Protel user manuals had the description of the file, field by field, in an appendix in the back. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Transparent footprints
Hi Laurie, You could make up the component, place it on the PCB, load your nets, and then Explode the component to free primitives (ToolsConvertExplode Component to Free Primitives). Of course, the next time you go to load the netlist, the nets on the connector will be lost. The other way I'd suggest, is place the spacer holes on the PCB separately, and create a component of the ribbon connector, with the origin of the component in the same position as one of the spacers, so when you plonk the component down, you can align it perfectly using the spacer holes on the PCB. I've used both of these methods in the past, with success. Just my $0.02. TC -Original Message- From: Laurie Biddulph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 January 2004 5:03 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Transparent footprints Hi, I hope you all had a happy Xmas. I need to place two large components on a pcb that will actually be on spacers and connected to the main board by short wire links. As the items are relatively large (one of them is one of those standard 2- or 4-line LCD modules) the footprint for these will be quite large yet be basically empty - there will be four spacers, one for each corner, plus a short multi-way connector. Is there any way of creating this as a component footprint so that it may be correctly moved and position on the main board yet still allow Protel to freely place components and tracks in the free area under these components? As the position of the spacers relative to the connector is fairly critical it is preferable that this is one single component. Best Regards Laurie Biddulph http://www.elby-designs.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] P99SE Sch to DOS Schematic?
Hi All, Is this conversion possible?. I think our version of Protel DOS schematic is version 3.1... Cheers, Terry Creer Printed Circuit Designer Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Phone: (08) 8440 0500 (Ext. 448) Fax: (08) 8346 0380 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Logo and non-English characters on PCB documents in DX P
LOL Hell! If it's coming to that, for the first 3 callers, I'll give you a FREE $50 GIFT VOUCHER* TC ;) *Vouchers are only redeemable at the Bombaloocha Village, Hai-ke-koo Island, 1200 kms west, 890 kms south of Tasmania, Australia. Take your snow gear, cause it's cold out there kids! -Original Message- From: William Dager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2003 9:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Logo and non-English characters on PCB documents in DXP Hi everyone! Seems like we have a bidding war going on here. Got a taker at $50, several at $0.00, anybody want to make a bid at paying ME $50? You'll get the file! Best regards, William J. Dager Senior Engineering Technician Neuronetics, Inc. 1 Great Valley Parkway Suite 2 Malvern, PA 19355 Phone: 610-640-4202 ext 1022 Cell: 267-255-2553 Fax: 610-640-4206 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.neuronetics.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE
Mike, On the first Schematic, youu need to Place - Sheet Symbol for each of the other two schematics, indicating their filenames accurately. This should make the two other schematics appear to be 'under' the primary one in the explorer window. Alternatively, you could create a new schematic with just the sheet symbols for all three schematics on it. Then all you need to do is when you go to generate your netlist, in the 'Netlist Creation' dialogue, I make 'Net Labels and Ports Global' in the 'Net Idientifier Scope' and check the 'Descend into sheet parts' checkbox. Strangely, I need to do this a couple of times (usually) in order for it to work... Hope this helps... TC -Original Message- From: Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 10:48 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] NETLIST MERGE Hi I have a three sheet schematic in 99SE but I can't output a merged net list. Can anyone help? Mike * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CTL key during routing placement electrical grid.
Yep, same here. I don't use it - it's stuck to the wall of my cubicle... TC -Original Message- From: Duane Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 2:29 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] CTL key during routing placement electrical grid. I have a Protel mousepad... it doesn't play well with optical mouse.. i thought my mouse was screwed up.. then i thought my mouse driver was hosed... then one of my cohorts suggested my mousepad was suspect... changed out the Protel pad and mouse stability has returned... i suppose i could tack it to the wall for reference... duane -Original Message- From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:26 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] CTL key during routing placement electrical grid. Thanks, I wish I had gotten one of those. (Mousepad.jpg) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CTL key during routing placement electrical grid.
Didn't you guys get a mouse mat with all the keyboard shortcuts on it? Very handy! I can have it scanned if you like. It's got Design Explorer, PCB and Sch shortcuts on it... TC -Original Message- From: Duane Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 10 October 2003 6:58 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] CTL key during routing placement electrical grid. thanks for the tip... that's why i keep scanning this list... duane -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:45 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] CTL key during routing placement electrical grid. :(( !$#!$#!$%!#%$!#$%$%#$!#$%!$!$% Why hasn't anyone mentioned that whenever you are moving, placing, routing, holding down the CTL key temporally disables the electrical grid. And her I've been going to the electrical grid menu, enabling disabling, waiting my time for the last 5 years! _ Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] CTL key during routing placement electrical grid.
Ok, I've scanned and uploaded it to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users/files/ (Mousepad.jpg) If you're not registered, or don't want to register, email me and I'll send it to you... Best regards, Terry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Get primitive for macro
Guys, Out of interest, I tried this myself, by exporting a few selected components to a spreadsheet, changing a footprint (0603 to 1206) and doing an 'update'. Sure enough, it updated the 'footprint' field on the component to 1206, but it didn't actually update the physical component size to a 1206. It remained a 0603. Is there one more step involved? Thanks, TC -Original Message- From: Jörg Guttmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 10:37 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Get primitive for macro Hi Eric you can select the intersting elements, export them to spread with the exported selected checkbox activated, do the neccesary things with a macro within the spread server, and do an update to pcb. Of course there are some problems: *) Perhaps the informations that you are intereted in can't be exported to the spread sheet. Net information is one of these things as far as I remember. *) The update pcb process works best when there is only an pcb open. I've used this procedure succesful for changing things like pad coordinates, line widths, designator and comments, or for calculating intersections between lines and arcs. By the way: Does anybody knows how to automate the export to spread function? Dipl. Ing. Jörg Guttmann eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Visit our Web Site: http://www.imar-navigation.de === iMAR GmbH Gesellschaft für inertiale Mess-, Automatisierungs- und Regelsysteme Systems for Inertial Measuring, Automation and Control Im Reihersbruch 3 D-66386 St. Ingbert / Germany Tel.: +49-(0)6894-9657-34 Fax : +49-(0)6894-9657-22 - Original Message - From: Ian Wilson To: Protel EDA Forum Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Get primitive for macro On 04:57 PM 23/09/2003, ERIC BOBILLIER said: Hi I try developpe macro for PCB and i need to know how get primitive information about object focus by cursor ? this information are display in status bar but i haven't found any server or process who can get it to play with in my macro.(like net Width,net name and so on..) I don't think you will get access to this information with a macro, you will almost certainly need a server. Ian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Eagle to Protel PCB conversion
Abd ul-Rahman, Thanks for taking the time to reply! Ill try playing around with the file tonight. Thank god it's a relatively small double sided PCB and not an 8 layer monster! Thanks, TC -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 8:36 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Eagle to Protel PCB conversion At 02:15 AM 9/29/2003, Terry Creer wrote: Hi All, I acquired a PCB done in Eagle and I want to modify it with Protel 99SE. What's the best way to achieve this? Can I do it somehow with the freeware version of Eagle? By Gerber maybe? Gerber is the Swiss Army Knife of file conversion. Since Eagle will generate Gerber and Protel will import Gerber, it *can* be done. So, assuming you can get or generate the Gerber, perhaps from a demo or freeware version, or from an accomodating Eagle licensee, you then need to massage the Gerber into Protel-readable form. It's been a while since I've done this, but I would take a look at some Protel-generated Gerber. There are a lot of ways to write Gerber and Protel can only read some of them. Protel requires, as I recall, that certain headers be present. The short of it is that if you output or massage the gerber into a form that is the same as one of the forms that Protel will generate, Protel will be able to read it. Note that Protel does not support all of the flash shapes (To massage Gerber, I've often used Excel. You can take a file, massage it into Tab delimited fields with Word, then take it into Excel. At this point, for example, if you wanted to take incremental gerber into fully-explicit absolute no-zero-suppression gerber, you could insert fields as necessary, format the numbers, etc.) Anyway, assuming you can load the Gerber into Protel, here is a process that I might use to do the conversion. In Eagle, I'd take the PCB and delete everything except one instance of each footprint to make a file I'll call Footprint. I'd generate a report on this showing the footprint names. I'd plot this board, take the plots into Protel, and then create footprints for each original. The I'd take the original Eagle PCB and generate two sets of plots: one with just the footprints and one with just the non-footprint primitives. I'd bring the first set into Protel onto mechanical layers and use these to place real footprints, the ones that I created in the previous step. It may be possible to automate this step if Eagle will generate a pick-and-place report. This report may be massaged into proper form to drive the Protel place-from-file process. If the board is simple, it may not be worth the effort, but if it is complex, then the work necessary to make the rotations for the parts correct, etc., may be well worth it. (PCB/Tools/Autoplacement/Place from File. This uses a Protel PIK file to autoplace components) Then I'd import the tracks and vias; gerber batch import should put them on the proper layers. The pads that come in at this point -- Protel imports flashes as pads --, you may want to convert to vias (Tools/Convert). You'll also want a net list from the original board. This too should be not difficult to convert into Protel format. This will verify your work, and is essential if you have power planes, etc., since imported gerber will *not* create a proper Protel inner plane, which is net-driven. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Analysing...
I should have added, that it only happens when I edit anything on the GND net (the net with all the poly's). BTW, I'm using a P4 1.6 with 390Mb RAM Win 2k etc..etc.. Thanks again, TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Analysing...
Hi all, I've just been handed a rather large board with quite a few individual GND polygons on it (35 to be exact). I've been asked to clean it up so we can have a prototype made. Every time I make a change to the board, (ie, move track, delete fill etc..etc..), after the edit, it sits there for about 6 seconds with Analysing GND in the status bar at the bottom, and then all is well until the next edit. I've turned off all online DRC checks, and anything else I could think of, to no avail. I'm pulling my hair out trying to get this done (and there's a lot to do...). Any ideas? Thanks! TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Orcad Library Importing
Hi all, Just got a few schematics and a library in Orcad format from the Atmel website. The schematics load ok (minus the parts in the .lib file), but when I try to load the lib file, Protel (99SE) tells me DECOMP.EXE must be in the path when trying to imort Orcad libraries. Any ideas where I can aquire this DECOMP.EXE? Thanks fellas, TC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel 99 SE SDK
Hi Nathan, I believe 99SE was built around Delphi 5 and the SDK is not compatible with later versions... Sorry! TC -Original Message- From: Nathan Horsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 23 June 2003 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Protel 99 SE SDK Good Morning All, Currently trying to create some servers using the Server Development Kit unfortunately I cannot get it to compile correctly under Delphi 6 or 7. Comes back with bad file format for the protel include files crtsl50 and protelcomponents50. Any ideas on how to compile this correctly?? Thanks -- Nathan Horsfield Inspiration Technology P/L Ph: +61 8 8211 9668 Fax: +61 8 8211 9658 www.instech.com.au * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Internal Planes gone!
Greetings all, I have just recently gone to do an update on a board that was done originally in Protel 2.8. It has 2 Internal Planes (and 2 outer) when I view it in 2.8, but when I import the board into 99SE, the internal planes disappear! They don't even show up in the 'Layers' dialog... I can go into the Layer Stack Manager and create them again, but I find this most dodgy (not to mention disturbing)... Any thoughts? Thanks, Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Gerber Import / Viewing in P99SE
Greetings all, I remember someone mentioning a while ago about importing Gerber files to view in P99SE. I was wondering what perhaps I am doing wrong... First, I create a new PCB. From the file menu, I select Import. I then select .g?? single gerber from the drop down box and then select the gerber file I want to import. I hit open and voila! Nothing. Same happens if I select .g?? batch gerber from the drop down box. Any ideas would be much appreciated, thanks! Terry Creer * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Gerber Import / Viewing in P99SE
Thanks for responding Brad and Ian, I'm not sure what application the Gerbers were generated in (they came from our PCB manufacturer), but I guess you guys are right then. Ian - I would appreciate that Macro, if you don't mind :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks very much! -Original Message- From: Ian Capps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 4:02 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Gerber Import / Viewing in P99SE Terry As Brad as said in his reply the gerbers need to be generated from protel in the first place to be directly importable. For some gerber files you can get away with changing the header and for others it takes a bit more fuddling around. I have a word macro that I have used in the past. It's very clunky but has worked every time if you want it let me know. Ian Capps - Original Message - From: Terry Creer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:52 AM Subject: [PEDA] Gerber Import / Viewing in P99SE Greetings all, I remember someone mentioning a while ago about importing Gerber files to view in P99SE. I was wondering what perhaps I am doing wrong... First, I create a new PCB. From the file menu, I select Import. I then select .g?? single gerber from the drop down box and then select the gerber file I want to import. I hit open and voila! Nothing. Same happens if I select .g?? batch gerber from the drop down box. Any ideas would be much appreciated, thanks! Terry Creer * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Simple (?) Pasting Problem
AAGHH!!! All of a sudden, I've discovered that if I select a single component and then either Cut or Copy it, and then paste it (or paste an array of them), Protel (99SE sp6) locks up completely and the status bar just says 'processing pasted primitives'. This is not repeatable on the other PCB designer's computer (he is running WinXP instead of 2k). It does not do it if I have more than one component selected, or if the selection is just primitives. I am running Win2k on a P4 1.6GHz with 256Mb. Has anyone ever come across this before? Any suggestions? Am I up for a re-install?\ Thanks in advance... Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Phone: (08) 8269 0560 Fax: (08) 8346 0380 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Simple (?) Pasting Problem
In addition - Upon further investigation, it appears that it only happens on certain library components. I tried it on a testpoint of ours - crash. I then tried it on a resistor (also from our own library) - it works... *sob* ;) -Original Message- From: Terry Creer Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2002 12:05 PM To: Protel EDA Forum (E-mail) Subject: [PEDA] Simple (?) Pasting Problem AAGHH!!! All of a sudden, I've discovered that if I select a single component and then either Cut or Copy it, and then paste it (or paste an array of them), Protel (99SE sp6) locks up completely and the status bar just says 'processing pasted primitives'. This is not repeatable on the other PCB designer's computer (he is running WinXP instead of 2k). It does not do it if I have more than one component selected, or if the selection is just primitives. I am running Win2k on a P4 1.6GHz with 256Mb. Has anyone ever come across this before? Any suggestions? Am I up for a re-install?\ Thanks in advance... Terry Creer Electronic Design Technician Clipsal Integrated Systems Pty. Ltd. Phone: (08) 8269 0560 Fax: (08) 8346 0380 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The information contained in this email is intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may be confidential or contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any perusal, use, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
