Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing.
Here's the geometry:
https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf

Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. Unusual
compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a lower BB. I
would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd consider it for
my wife who still wants a Roadini.

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner 
wrote:

> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>
> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover clearance,
> respectively, for the 55 cm size.
> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all
>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped
>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot -
>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost
>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give
>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>
>> Best winds!
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early
>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being
>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road
>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B
>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73
>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done
>>> this way as well.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
 roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
 Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
 going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
 but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
 ideal.

 Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
 Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
 size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
 I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.

 Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does
 take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach
 stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out
 of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate
 was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed
 it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m
 the youngest and probably the most fit.

 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

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Toshi that's good to know. We have only 2 650b bikes in the garage: my
8-year-old's Salsa Journeyman (shod with Pacenti Pari-Moto 38mm tires) and
my wife's Santa Cruz 5010, which is a mountain bike with no need for skinny
tires. The 8 year old won't take too many years to outgrow the Journeyman
and will graduate to his brother's Roadini, and I'll be surprised if he
puts in enough miles to wear out the Pari-Moto tires.

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 9:25 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Piaw,
>
> There is a Grand Bois Cypres in 650b size 32 mm.  The same tire in 700c
> runs great on my Roadeo.  I run the extra light version (EL).
>
> I consider them the cheaper precursor to the Rene Herse tires and they
> ride great.
>
> Scott Davis in the 650b group purchases and distributes them in the US:
> francopedia (you know the symbol)
> gmail (you know the end)
> He might have those in stock.  I also ride Hetre 650bx42 mm both EL and
> regular casing, so I sometimes order direct from Grand Bois.  The yen is
> still weak, and shipping is reasonable, so you can consider that route if
> you order multiple tires etc.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:52 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-7 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> @aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to
>> fund this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that
>> now). I don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other
>> wheels to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my
>> riding needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c.
>>
>>
>> For me this is the big deal about 650b. There are basically no tires
>> narrower than 38mm for the 650b, whereas if you want to run 28->32mm tires
>> 700c has a huge offering.  For my wife and son commuting in suburban
>> pavement 28->32mm is the sweet spot and 650b isn't a good option by
>> comparison.
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Re: [RBW] Re: tektro 559 left-right adjustment screw

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Hm.. Actually, I just discovered that I hadn't lost the screw after all.
It's just all the way in!

On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 9:12 AM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

> I've attached a picture of the front brake with the screw missing and the
> rear brake where the screw is still present
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2024, 20:52 Pam Bikes  wrote:
>
>> Not sure what you need but I may have one from a parts pair of brakes.
>> Take a picture and I'll see if I have the part and will send it to you.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 10:59:21 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I went to adjust it on my son's Roadini today and discovered that it had
>>> fallen off (probably during an off-road excursion). What's the easiest way
>>> to get a replacement?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

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Looks like that bike was already sold.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 9:32 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> Here is one on C-list albeit with a double chainring. It looks pristine:
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 12:15:29 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My wife enjoyed riding the Roadini so much that when my son (for whom it
>> was built) took it over she asked for her own. Since Rivendell no longer
>> has them I'm now in the market for a Roadini 50cm. Frame only unless you've
>> got it built up with 1x. (My wife never used the front derailleur on her
>> Cheviot so there's no point having more than 1 chainring)
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Re: [RBW] Re: anyone else tried Ritchey Beacon Bars?

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If you look at the picture of the Roadini I posted, I have microshift
bar-end shifters installed.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 7:58 AM Steven Venizelos  wrote:

> does anyone know if the Rickey Beacon Bars work with bar end shifters?
>
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I built up my son's Roadini with Ritchey Beacon Comp bars (
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/Hdny6ViFROaPcQIM_FkEbg.aW9haXdpnlfOy4Dg9_oNzx),
>> and I've had a few people test ride it. What impressed me about the bar was
>> that despite purposefully not mentioning anything about the handlebars,
>> everyone who's used the bike defaults to using the drops automatically.
>> It's a great position, hybrid between regular drops and straight bars, and
>> just to show how nice a bike the Roadini is, my wife used it on her commute
>> a few days and now wants her own Roadini!
>>
>> Like all Grant Petersen bikes, it's the kind of bike where the more you
>> ride it the more you like it. I've noticed that about his designs since the
>> Bridgestone RB-1. I still feel that the bike could use a lower BB
>> (especially when shod with 38mm tires), but riding with 28mm tires makes
>> the bike feel so agile.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

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On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 4:02 PM ian m  wrote:

> On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 12:26:11 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> All those wanting Rivendell to re-release bikes they made 10 years ago do
> NOT have to turn in their Riv card, but they ARE outing themselves as PAWNS
> of the T IC.  Resist the pressures of the Time and Date Industrial
> Complex!
>
>
> BL I feel like I understand where you're coming from in this thread and
> largely I don't disagree with much of what you're saying but I think
> there's a heaping good portion of "I got mine" in your perspective. Yes, I
> do have whatever the reverse of FOMO is when it comes to Riv bikes (Sad I
> Missed Out, SIMO?). I learned about Riv circa the late aughts while working
> at Amoeba in Berkeley and riding my POS fixed gear bike (with Wald 808 bars
> and front basket) everywhere. Dreamt of virtually every model at the time,
> all of which were firmly out of reach with a record store employee
> paycheck. Had I been able to afford a couple twos threes of their bikes at
> the time I'd probably be hang up free about their current designs. But I
> think we all want what we can't have, and (for a terrible comparison) I
> lament plenty of other unfortunate changes like the reality of modern
> pickup trucks as opposed to my first two, the Datsun 720 and Toyota 22RE.
> Change may be constant but it's not always beneficial
>

I see where you're coming from but I have no idea why you'd hesitate to get
a custom built if nobody else is making what you want. With the price
increases many Rivendells are actually no cheaper than a custom frame built
by a local framebuilder.

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Re: [RBW] Brake cables and housing

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If you're running STI shifters, you need to replace shifter cables every
year. If you don't, the shifter cable can break inside the brifter and that
can be fatal to the shifter.

Once in awhile you can get unlucky and the cable housing itself can
rupture..

On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 10:38 John Bokman  wrote:

> Wow, I guess I'll just maintain with occasional lubricant and not bother.
> I thought many riders changed cables and housing every year or so? Guess
> not. For the record, my braking is fine (Shimano cx70 cantilevers mated to
> Shimano tiagra levers and koolstop salmon pads). Just wondering how much
> better they'd be with newly installed housing and cable. And now I see
> there are all sorts of new (to me) specialty housing and cables on which to
> spend money...Thanks for the replies.
>
> John
>
> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 5:04:06 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Every 5000 miles the cables on my Sam get cleaned and lubed with Phils
>> Tenacious Oil.
>>
>> John Dewey - that is an outstanding photograph.
>>
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Re: [RBW] SPD pedal recomendation

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For what it's worth the Shimano T421 (https://amzn.to/47UiDeI) are much
cheaper ($60), sere the same function, and have the benefit that the cleat
tension on these are perfect for little kids and adults new to clipless. My
kids use them and are highly satisfied.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:20 PM Chris Matta  wrote:

> I recently got a set of MKS Solution pedals, big platform on one side.,
> spd clips on the other. They're nicely weighted, so you can easily pick the
> side you want. I got mine from blue lug:
> https://global.bluelug.com/mks-solution-pedal-siver.html
>
> C h r i s
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 4:13 PM Bernard Duhon 
> wrote:
>
>> I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
>> I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on
>> one of my bikes to do anything but a clip .
>> I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.
>>
>> any suggestions?
>>
>> Benard
>>
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[RBW] Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?

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https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-carbon-bike/?fbclid=IwAR2uIwBwz29AqiFhiVs5TTjdXw2HDNApUOMVh51foKzayEp1u_vB5UMltqU

Never thought I'd see this.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

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On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal
> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what
> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>

I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an expression
I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly the sounds of
disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike parks. I will
say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. Cantilvers and
V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do not.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

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It weighed 23 pounds with pump, water bottle cage, pedals but no toolkit:
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/putting-together-my-roadini.html

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 5:32 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Piaw: I'm curious, how light is your Roadini?
>
> More general question to the audience: How does the current Roadini differ
> from the original Sam Hillborne? I owned one of the latter and it would be
> interesting to use this Sam as a gauge for understanding the Roadini.
>
> Aside: I'm thinking (just thinking; action may come but later) of turning
> that Libertas into an on-and-offroad beater because I think it will take a
> 38 mm tire. The original issue Sam was limited to IIRC 38 or 40 mm tires so
> I hope that this might be a more nimble handling and lighter (and
> beater-sh) Sam surrogate.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 8:44 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> I went with 11s and a single DT shifter (I'm running 1x11) and I treat my
>> Roadini as a gravel bike. It's great. Usually I climb on the road so
>> shifting is not a problem, and descending who cares what gears you're in.
>> But on the few occasions I did a a dirt climb and I'd just shift into the
>> lowest gear and stay there. My goal for the Roadini was to make it as light
>> as possible (given the relatively heavy frame) while still able to do hard
>> climbs. It hasn't disappointed.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:06:45 PM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious, if you are using 11sp, why not use integrated
>>> shifters/levers? To each their own for sure, but I can't imagine DT
>>> shifters on a mixed-surface trail unless it's really smooth.. heck, I don't
>>> even care for bar-ends on a trail.. but those RRL levers are super nice!
>>>
>>> I'm leaning hard into a Roadini that I may put a Campy 10 Triple group I
>>> have on it..
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 10:33:55 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:
>>>
 First post here!  I've been reading some of the threads and this sounds
 like a good place...my new happy place ;-)

 I ordered the dark gold Roadini (57) from the only shop in Canada that
 sells Riv (C Cycles) and will be picking it up in a few weeks when I'll
 be visiting Montreal.

 Looking for this to be a project bike, that evolves over time.  For now
 though, I had a lot of new / lightly used parts on hand, so I'll be using
 those and having the bike shop supply the rest (including some handbill
 wheels for some lightly used 43mm GKSS tires I'm using on my Fargo in the
 winter).  Build will be Shimano 11sp, with DT shifters and Tektro RRL brake
 levers, and Tektro brakes.

 Purpose of the bike is all-road (where I live, a lot of that is paved,
 but there are gravel roads further out), but will not be used much on local
 mixed-surface trails (where the Fargo excels).  My current road bike will
 be jealous, but I'm not kicking her to the curb just yet!

 Photos to come in February.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

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The big minus behind the crust is that they messed up the manufacturing so
it takes different brakes front and rear which is bizarre. Even more
bizarre is that it requires smaller tires on the back than on the front.
Unless you pay to have someone move the brake bridge (and then do the
repaint) that kind of stuff would always be nagging at the back of my mind
and cause me not to enjoy the bike.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 7:14 PM eddietheflay  wrote:

> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent clearance.
> Some things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most Rivs are and
> without sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put some blocks on my
> pedals and you could try it.
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you
>> like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel
>> bike box.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>>
>>> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased
>>> from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a
>>> RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you),
>>> hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited
>>> HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54
>>> and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I
>>> should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old
>>> Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size that
>>> the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered
>>> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I
>>> didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.
>>> And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it
>>> didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally,
>>> and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I
>>> love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles
>>> and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini
>>> felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to
>>> acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on
>>> flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it.
>>>
>>> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're
>>> close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what
>>> you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold
>>> 50 in stock...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already
 claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy
 when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I
 was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I
 still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't
 consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want
 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you
 wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.

 On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm
> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires..
> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the
> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy..
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini:
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html.
>> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not
>> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with 
>> pedals,
>> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have 
>> probably
>> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said 
>> that,
>> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993
>> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents 
>> (the
>> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm
>> tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down
>> single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 
>> 559s
>> outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike 
>> any
>> disc brakes I've ever ridden).
>>
>> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Feedback

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The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one reason you
like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit in my travel
bike box.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee  wrote:

> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike purchased
> from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to Napa. I wanted a
> RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps like you),
> hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had previously visited
> HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the cusp between 54
> and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later concluded that I
> should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 in "Old
> Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire size that
> the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I considered
> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized that I
> didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first place.
> And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it
> didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up locally,
> and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike that I
> love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some Noodles
> and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The Roadini
> felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to
> acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on
> flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on it.
>
> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But you're
> close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike and see what
> you think. The newsletter that came out today says they discovered one Gold
> 50 in stock...
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends already
>> claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes like crazy
>> when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 pounds. If I
>> was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 200 pounds I
>> still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that I don't
>> consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the road. I want
>> 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires where you
>> wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. I'm
>>> looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger tires..
>>> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, meaning the
>>> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy..
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini:
 https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html.
 With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's not
 built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with pedals,
 bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have probably
 shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having said that,
 it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993
 Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on descents (the
 higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 38mm
 tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it down
 single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The Tektro 559s
 outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise (unlike any
 disc brakes I've ever ridden).

 I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's tall
 enough to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you that I think
 it's the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. The bike is so
 versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a dedicated
 downhill MTB park.
 On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Howdy all,
>
> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is bound to be
> some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself with a current AHH I
> got from my Dad when he passed and have previously owned a Bleriot and a
> Ram for a short time.
>
> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when
> riding? I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know some 
> bikes
> can weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no racer, 
> but
> I like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping 

Re: [RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

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On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 5:56 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 2:21 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> ... After a while [the kids] got strong enough that a tow rope hitched to
>> my bike could drag them up the mountains, so I switched back to SPDs and it
>> felt so good.
>>
>
> Now, a picture of this would be delightful to see, tho' I expect that
> logistics mean that there are none.
>

Here's a picture, not of me, but of a friend towing his kid with the same
tow rope:
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/FMMMR4CqT1m5_gn5qV8TTQ.h2vUZWd66nwCvh8me5tNjf

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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

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That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog
somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the
Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just
be the red one.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:

> Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that
> came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993
>
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post,
>> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>>
>>> If you're looking for something:
>>>
>>> - 57cm-ish
>>> - steel frame
>>> - wide tired, rim brake
>>> - in San Francisco
>>> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
>>> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames
>>>
>>> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up:
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>>>
>>> Irving
>>> SF, CA
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the
 hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should
 have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't
 have hurt so much.

 Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current
 Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most
 cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.
 The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for
 longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer
 chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't
 climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed
 STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me).
 Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with
 Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano
 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.

 All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93
 RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've
 built up my Roadini to be.

 On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8
 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some
> opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads
> and I’m still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me
> $2000-$2200. The yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but
> I’ve never ridden one.
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It
> was a 56 and a hair too small.
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

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The Greater Bay Area is full of 13-24% grades (which is where Sarah lives).
Visitors from other areas (including places like Colorado) frequently drop
their jaws when they see what the local touring clubs ride as a matter of
course. A 24x36 drivetrain isn't too low a gear here, especially if you're
carrying a load. On my triplet, I had a 24x36 and still couldn't climb
anything over a 12% grade when carrying panniers. On my single bike I have
a 40x51, and just manage to make it up a 30% grade, which required shifting
my weight between the rear and front wheels in order to keep both wheels on
the ground while grinding away. Here in the greater San Francisco Bay Area,
your bike can never be too light, you can never be too wealthy, and you can
never have gears too low!

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:13 PM Greg J  wrote:

> @Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local list
> members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding on these
> roads.
>
> For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, with
> what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for dirt),
> and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or even a 28
> may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But as mentioned
> already, only you know what works for you.
>
> Greg
>
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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

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Those "chainwatchers" have caused me more trouble than they're worth.
Invariably (because I abuse my bikes and ride them off road), they will
fail to catch the chain and the chain will jam in below them. When that
happens, you have an ever harder time putting the chain back on! When that
happens I get out my multi-tool, remove the chain watcher and toss it into
the nearest trash can. I know that my experience is not universal --- most
people don't ride aggressive enough environments to cause those problems.
But that's why I place a lot of value on simplicity and fixability. When
you're out in the middle of nowhere with your entire family with you
there's no one to call to bail you out. Everything has to be rock solid
reliable and I have no time or patience with "technology" like
chainwatchers, indexed shifting, or finicky drivetrains.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 7:39 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> I agree that dropping the chain when shifting into the small ring is a
> major disadvantage of a triple, but I use a “chainwatcher” that guides the
> chain onto the small ring and that solves the problem for me.
>
> Toshi
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 6:00 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> I'll chime in. I'm here in the Bay Area (I noticed Sarah mentioned Mt
>> Diablo), and I've found that Bay Area hills are not kind to triples. I
>> switched to a 1x and am much happier:
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2022/06/a-transition-to-1x-drivetrains.html
>>
>> I'm sure this is a contrarian view, but my take is that the drop into a
>> 24 is challenging enough that you will drop chains every so often and learn
>> not to use it. My knees are much happier with 1x than with 3x. And I'm
>> happy to give up the top end and restrict myself to spinning out at 30mph.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 8:39:10 PM UTC-8 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Sarah, I would like to ditto the other recommendations for triple
>>> chainrings and a smaller cogset. I use a 9-speed 12/27 paired to 46/36/24
>>> crankset. Also, the Albastache / Mustache handlebars, paired to an 80mm
>>> Nitto Dirt Drop stem. My Mustache bars with a slight tilt downward offers
>>> the best of both worlds for me. It fits between my drop bar bike and the
>>> more upright Albatross bar on my single speed daily ride.
>>> I'm at a point in life where I have no riding partners who don't think
>>> the way I do about group riding. (Which might be a new goal for you, too?)
>>> I would call it "spirited" but not competitive. We all have different pain
>>> thresholds and capabilities but everyone would think it improper to leave
>>> the others in the dust. Often the ride includes a bagged lunch midway.
>>> Even my rides which are not in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains
>>> are rarely over 40 miles, but a good workout nonetheless.
>>> I find my Homer Hilsen is the perfect bike for this. With a near-minimum
>>> of bag capacity, I can carry a sandwich and even a lightweight jacket or
>>> vest, etc. Most every need for a day ride, which would include tools of
>>> course. Much of what I do on the Hilsen is unpaved and hilly. The 38mm tire
>>> capacity (with fenders) of my 2013 (?) frame handles dirt roads well, even
>>> on slippery downhills. The new Hilsens with longer chain stays may take
>>> wider tires yet, but I suspect there is a tipping point to tire width. If
>>> your group rides are entirely on pavement, 35-38mm tires should be the
>>> sweet spot for you and you won't need the excess rolling weight of wider.
>>> I use a Sam Hillborne for touring and the Hilsen is noticeably livelier,
>>> especially without the touring racks. Since I am not spending all day on
>>> the bike, I can get away with a lighter, more narrow saddle. (But we all
>>> know that is a very personal preference.)  My Hilsen set up this way for me
>>> is a confidence-builder and my favorite bike for adventure rides with
>>> others.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/52784257986/in/album-72177720307152181/
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>> [image: IMG_7763.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:28:46 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Did someone say PIE??! 不

 On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone
> told me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding
> since I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and
> see how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with
> 12 x 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to
> fuel my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24!
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting
>> a lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>>
>> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

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>
> Oh, one other benefit of some local shops is they sometimes have a
> guaranteed trade in program for sizing up.  I actually think that is an
> option for our Trek if we wanted to trade in for a bigger size with a
> credit applied.  I still need to look into that as I forget if it was
> something with the shop and the Trek we actually bought or another
> dealer/brand.  We have some younger cousins so have been handing down much
> of our outgrown stuff rather than reselling but will need to see what our
> trade in options are for the 16" bike before making any final decisions
> since it may end up making more sense to trade up vs. swapping components
> and keeping it but will see how the fit is come spring and how much
> adjusting is needed.
>
> Woom also has an upcycling option:
https://woom.com/en_US/products/upcycling-membership?variant

Since we have 2 kids we never made use of it (kid brother got a hand me
down Woom).

 I'm not sure the upcycling program makes sense since as someone else said,
selling the bike used locally nets you north of 50% usually. We had someone
drive down from San Francisco just to pick up our used Woom 4 off. Kids
bikes that are actually used for real mountain biking actually don't wear
very much. While I've had to replace chains on the smaller woom 2 and 3, I
discovered that the 4 and 5 just don't seem to wear stuff out as quickly.

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

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On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 7:46 AM ShumotoSoundRoom  wrote:

> I will happily post photos of said bikes once I get the Homer assembled in
> the next week or so.  I intend to continue using my Independent Fabrication
> for all loaded touring, as it can easily handle full panniers, camping
> gear, etc.  I will ride the Homer unladen on one day rides; perhaps the
> occasional overnight with a minimal amount of gear, but mostly it will
> function as my version of a recreational road + gravel frame, thus
> replacing my Roadini.  You're right that the size of a 58 Homer would be
> tricky to fit in a box;  that being said, any touring I've done from 24hrs
> to three months, has seen me depart from my front door, or a drop-off via
> car or train.
>

If you like the Homer that much, find a way to tour with it, esp. if you
can shave your load down. I can't imagine not touring with my best bike.
That's what I bought it for.

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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

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I wouldn't carry more than 20 pounds. It would be a credit card tour. I
recently did an overnight camping trip with less than 15 pounds of gear

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 22:24 Stephen Durfee  wrote:

> Piaw, are you saying that you take your Roadini for a 3-week tour?  How
> much gear are you carrying?
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:36:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:52:13 AM UTC-7 shu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I could carry on and on, but I just wish to say that I find the
>> two *quite* different.  The bike also feels noticeably bigger (the frame
>> is a 58) which may also contribute.  To shorten what could be a long story,
>> I came home, walked in the house, and ordered a Homer, which is set to
>> arrive today.  Once I build it up, I intend to sell the Roadini.  After
>> about thirty years of 3000mi annually, the Homer was instantly the bike
>> that I'd dreamt of for a long time.  You can't really go wrong with
>> either.  To me the question would come down to this: do you want to
>> maximize the feeling of quickness or gliding comfort?  For me, there was no
>> comparison.  With the Tektro side pulls and all of the same parts, I cannot
>> tell a weight difference between the two; perhaps the Paul brakes and extra
>> bits nullify the frame savings.  Anyway, I was in a similar decision
>> dilemma as you a few years back and went with the Roadini, and while it all
>> worked out in the end, the Homer was the right choice for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was going to say --- I wonder how you'll feel when you have to pack
>> this bike for a tour. What got me to not buy a Homer (other than the axle
>> spacing) was that one of my critical use cases is being able to put the
>> bike in a box, fly to a destination, and do a 3 week tour and bring it
>> back. When I mentioned that to  Grant he admitted that it would take a much
>> bigger box than I was willing to put up with to do that.
>>
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Re: [RBW] What shoes does your Riv wear?

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Nothing can prevent glass flats unless you run heavy duty Schwalbe
Marathons, and I've flatted with those as well. Just watch where you ride.
That's the best protection from flats.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 2:28 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I just got my second flat tire: a small chunk of glass pierced my
> brand-new rear Schwalbe G-One Overland. The tire had less than fifty miles
> on it.
>
> In the past two months, I’ve had more flats with new tires than I had in
> the past three years with the Kenda tires that came stock from RBW.
>
> What am I doing wrong? Do I need liners inside the tires, better/more
> durable tubes, different tires, or all three?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

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I started at 3.5 years old for the older one (it took longer than 9 months
to deliver the bike):
https://blog.piaw.net/2015/02/first-impression-co-motion-periscope.html

The younger one started at 2 years. The first time he got onto that bike he
pulled his feet out of the pedals because he didn't know he was supposed to
pedal. But he got the point real quick. At 4 years old he was not much
better than a bike decoration (we joked that his job was to look cute), but
now he's easily putting out enough power to do major climbs. At 5 years old
the older one was tall enough to ride without the kidback kit. At 4 the
younger one (who's probably going to be taller than I am as an adult)
ditched the kidback.

I believe (and have not found any documentation to contradict this) that
we're the first triplet with kids under 12 to make it over the top of the
Stelvio pass in Italy. https://blog.piaw.net/2022/07/tour-of-alps-2022.html

Piaw

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:21 AM Kushan  wrote:

> @jdubus - that is very encouraging to hear. With my 60 Appaloosa, looks
> like I have unintentionally managed to take care of your recommendations on
> sturdier frame and larger size. If you have any pictures of your set up
> with Thule mini and albatross bar (that's what I am running as well),
> please do share for some inspiration!
>
> @piaw - what a cool idea! When did you start your kids on tandems? I
> imagine it's also a good way to get them on a pedaled bikes before they can
> do it solo.
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:24:50 AM UTC-7 jdu...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I went through this just a few months ago. Before my son was born last
>> February I rode either a very lightweight steel racing bike or a Surly
>> Steamroller single speed, neither of which would work at all for carrying a
>> child. I'd admired the Rivs my friends have for a long while so it was a
>> great excuse to buy a Hillborne frame which I built up with a Thule Yepp
>> Next Mini. Originally I had had visions of using the bike both as a baby
>> commuter and a light cross bike, but I haven't done the latter and I'm not
>> sure I ever will.
>>
>> I'm very happy with how it turned out although I'd probably do things
>> slightly differently if I knew then what I know now. First of all, I should
>> have made the connection that riding with a child is basically the same as
>> doing fully loaded touring, which I did a lot of in my 20s. A Hillborne is
>> burly enough, but I'd probably just get an Atlantis if I could choose from
>> any frame and start over. I also would size up as much as possible. I got a
>> 54cm and fits well, but the cockpit is certainly tight with the kiddo.
>> Albastache bars work great though if the kid sits back and up straight his
>> head is just under my chin. Likewise my knees just barely clear the bottom
>> of the seat on the top of peddlestrokes. I think I'd be happy with the 57cm
>> tradeoff.
>>
>> My kid started riding at 10 months. I would have started at nine months
>> when we was already holding his head up strongly but I had to wait for the
>> Sams to come out and then to finish the build. He mildly resisted the
>> helmet but got used to it quickly and seemed to take to riding right away.
>> He especially loves riding when his mom is around. We've got a tandem
>> coming soon that I can't wait for us all to ride together. He's a big kid
>> and in six months (when he's two) I'll probably transition him to the rear.
>> I have no regrets starting him out front though; it's nice to be able to
>> see him and my guess is he prefers it also. Mostly we ride on errands in
>> the western half of SF and through Golden Gate Park, but occasionally we
>> ride from one end of the city to the other and back. It's a workout since a
>> fair amount of climbing is unavoidable, but comfortable enough for both of
>> us. This summer we went camping in Yosemite Valley and rode all over the
>> valley together, and those rides will be fond memories for the rest of my
>> life.
>>
>> Oh, and for anyone considering the Yepp Next Mini, don't make my mistake
>> and plan on using a canti brake up front: they're not compatible with the
>> Thule seat.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:47:47 PM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Trailer for me when my kids were small.  Don't like that unpredictable
>>> weight up high and they grow fast, so any up top solution is very
>>> impermanent.  They'll be towing me around soon :)
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid
 bike provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still
 uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better.

 Smitty

 On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Smitty -
>
> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg

Re: [RBW] Re: Alternatives to Snoqualmie Pass?

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On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 9:43 AM Josh (BertoBerg) 
wrote:

> That's exactly where I got my Terra Speeds! $98/shipped. Obviously, RH is
> a MUCH smaller company than Continental so I understand why their prices
> are higher and why you can't find their products deeply discounted.
>
> That's not what's going on. Panaracer's not a small company either and
they're the manufacturer. What's happening is that you're paying for both
Panaracer and Rene Herse's profits. That, and Rene Herse has tighter
control over discounting happening to their dealer network than Continental
does.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Alternatives to Snoqualmie Pass?

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On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 7:40 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

>
> I have had nothing but VERY positive experiences with Rene Herse tires and
> I don't think their prices are out of line with other options.
>

 I think that's only true if you pay retail for your tires. I don't. It's
very common to find Continental tires well below MSRP (
https://bikecloset.com/product/continental-terra-speed-700-x-40-cream-sidewall-fold-protection-tr-black-chili/
sells the Terraspeed for $40). Try finding Rene Herse tires for anywhere
close to that price. You can't. I can buy 4 Terraspeed tires for the price
of a pair of Rene Herse tires. The difference is just as extreme if you
compare Continental GP5000 700x32 against the Rene Herse equivalents.

I'm a cheapskate though, and don't hesitate to run $10 SRAM 11s chains when
I can find them, and back before tires were cheap in the US I'd import them
from England or other places in Europe where there's significant price
competition for bike parts. At one point when Avocet was going out of
business I bought a 3 year supply of their tires at $10/pop.

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

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I resisted moving to Los Altos as long as I could, but having moved here, I
will say that the riding is superlative compared even to Sunnyvale. All the
hills you can get, while the valley being flat enough that the kids can
bike to school without complaining. I was quite impressed to see so many
kids riding to school and even more impressed that the elementary school
had a bike cage that locked once classes started!

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 4:54 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Piaw - I had a feeling you would be chiming in after me mentioning of Los
> Altos and Foothill College.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 4:30:28 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Foothill/Los Altos isn't the den of bike thieves that a big city college
>> campus like Berkeley or City College San Francisco is going to be. Of
>> course, my mother in law left a $1700 REI ebike unattended outside ranch 99
>> for a few minutes while shopping and of course it was gone before she came
>> back.
>>
>> Here's the thing: if you can be bothered to be on a bicycle mailing list
>> at all you're probably a bikie and would care about bikes.  Someone who's
>> not a bike (like me during my freshman year in college) is going to get a
>> bike stolen and shrug. (I hurt more from my MIL losing her ebike than she
>> did --- she shrugged and walked home --- needless to say we did not buy her
>> another expensive bike to replace the one that was stolen!)
>>
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

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I'm 2 long blocks from Cuesta Drive. I'm pretty sure if this happened in
MTV or Sunnyvale the police wouldn't be unresponsive. I have no idea why
Oakland and San Francisco don't consider a holdup at gunpoint worth getting
a search warrant over.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:17 PM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Piaw -
> Oh my goodness ! How terrible that is being forced at gunpoint to hand
> over your bicycle and being left stranded. Unbelievable. I am glad I do not
> live there anymore. I moved away decades ago not too far from you, near
> Cuesta Drive in Mountain View, California.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:33:43 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Whenever I lock a Rivendell to a rack, I lock the heck out of it. I’m
>>> talking three U locks and a thick cable lock. It’s a pain, you have to find
>>> the right kind of rack to accommodate all the locks, and it means carrying
>>> an extra weight. The additional few seconds a thief would have to spend
>>> dealing with the locks might be enough deterrent.
>>>
>>>
>> If I had to carry 3 U-locks and thick cable locks, why not just ride a
>> heavy cheap used clunker? I remember someone once suggested the
>> theorum that all bicycles + locks weigh the same (the light bike had to
>> have a heavier lock). I once rode my Heron Touring bike in New Hampshire
>> where I met cycling author Marty Basch. He and I walked into a restaurant
>> for lunch, leaving our expedition-style loaded touring bikes in front of
>> the restaurant unlocked. After a 2 hour lunch we walked back out and he
>> looked at our bikes and said: "Darn. The bikes are still there. I guess we
>> have to keep riding." (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2009/06/new-england-2000-bike-trip.html)
>>
>> I take the approach that if I have to worry that much about my bike being
>> stolen, I should start to worry about my personal safety as well. Here in
>> the Bay Area there have been stories of bicyclists riding their bikes being
>> forced to hand over their bikes at gunpoint and left stranded in the hills:
>> https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/06/23/crime/oakland-bikejacking-bike-robberies/
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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

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>
>
>
> Whenever I lock a Rivendell to a rack, I lock the heck out of it. I’m
> talking three U locks and a thick cable lock. It’s a pain, you have to find
> the right kind of rack to accommodate all the locks, and it means carrying
> an extra weight. The additional few seconds a thief would have to spend
> dealing with the locks might be enough deterrent.
>
>
If I had to carry 3 U-locks and thick cable locks, why not just ride a
heavy cheap used clunker? I remember someone once suggested the
theorum that all bicycles + locks weigh the same (the light bike had to
have a heavier lock). I once rode my Heron Touring bike in New Hampshire
where I met cycling author Marty Basch. He and I walked into a restaurant
for lunch, leaving our expedition-style loaded touring bikes in front of
the restaurant unlocked. After a 2 hour lunch we walked back out and he
looked at our bikes and said: "Darn. The bikes are still there. I guess we
have to keep riding." (
https://blog.piaw.net/2009/06/new-england-2000-bike-trip.html)

I take the approach that if I have to worry that much about my bike being
stolen, I should start to worry about my personal safety as well. Here in
the Bay Area there have been stories of bicyclists riding their bikes being
forced to hand over their bikes at gunpoint and left stranded in the hills:
https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2023/06/23/crime/oakland-bikejacking-bike-robberies/

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

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(1) Ask for Jerry at the Bicycle Outfitter. He's worked on various problems
I couldn't fix myself for years.
(2) The mechanic/wheelbuilder from Cupertino Bike Shop is now running his
own mobile bike repair: Juan Oliva
(408) 910-8040 (call or text).
(3) Dave Prion previously ran the service department at the Bicycle
Outfitter. But last time I chatted with him he's managing Apple's in-house
fleet and I can't outbid Apple.

Both/either of these people are great.

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

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On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:

> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay
> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area
> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas!

I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM).
They're both written by this gentleman called Grant Petersen. You might
have heard of him.

The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good
and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never
saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.

Piaw

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

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On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 6:29 PM Dan Bluestein  wrote:

>
> Recently I took advantage of child #1 being off at a sleep-away camp to
> leave my wife with only child #2 to look after and managed to get in my
> first overnighter since I got the Homer. This was an overlapping trip to
> the birthday ride I posted about last month, from the East Bay across the
> bay to Point Reyes National Seashore. here are a few shots.
>
>
Was this to Wildcat Campground? I've been trying to get that site for ages
and have never had any luck!

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Re: [RBW] Best Riv Rando Bike

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The roadini doesn't have front rack braze-ons. But saddlebags or
bikepacking style bags would definitely work.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:15 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> The Roadini is worth some consideration.  Many people finish PBP on carbon
> fiber racing bikes, so you could definitely do it with a Roadini and have a
> much more comfortable and pleasant ride.  The Roadini is probably better
> (for me) than the Roadeo because it accommodates wider tires. If I were
> considering a current production bike, then that might be my choice as it
> balances speed and comfort.
>
> I can't remember if the Roadini has braze-ons for a front rack, but I had
> no problem with a Mark's rack and p-clamps on my Ram and didn't have any
> handling issues (I shared weight with a saddlebag, so it wasn't "front
> loaded").  Many people ride with a handlebar bag (without rack) for food
> and use a saddlebag for everything else.  It is nice to stuff layers into
> the front rack "rando" bag without having to stop, but (obviously) it is
> not necessary.
>
> Good luck,
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Terminology (was Re: Best Riv Rando Bike)

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I found a Ram 56cm for $1000 on Facebook yesterday:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/198144339898384/

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 8:29 AM Dick Combs  wrote:

> Folks are confirming what I suspected. My quandary is finding one  and
> what size. Looking at past geometry charts It looks like I need a 56 or 58
> My PBH is 84, short legs long torso. Any recommendations on size as well a
> leads on Ram’s for sale
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:02:59 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Grant described the intent of the Rambouillet to me as a French
>> audax-inspired bike when I spoke to him about a bike for a cross country
>> ride (and afterwards) that would be a light load, credit card trip versus
>> self-supported full touring one.
>>
>> I have to chime in and talk about types of touring:
>>
>> I think what Andy meant was "Expedition-style touring": that's where
>> you're carrying camping gear, possibly cookware, food, and water.
>> Self-supported means you're carrying everything you need with no
>> follow-vehicle or luggage delivery. You can stay in hotels or camp, but
>> what matters is that you're making decisions as to where you go and where
>> to stay each night.
>>
>> I wrote an essay about this years ago that notes that one form of touring
>> isn't better than another:
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2008/02/cycle-touring-and-spriit-of-adventure.html
>>
>> In fact, the lighter your load, the more you can do, and if you know
>> you're not going to be pitching a tent and cooking your own food you can
>> actually get more aggressive and ride higher mountains or dirt trails you
>> might otherwise avoid if you're carrying a heavy expedition style load.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

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Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do on
the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork removal.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith 
wrote:

> Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will fit
> in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one!
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell:
>>
>> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take sidepull
>> calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, having
>> experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably better now,
>> but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once and hours spent
>> dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck pig when
>> descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc brakes to be a
>> better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And those
>> squeal too just not as badly.
>> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes  I've got a
>> friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only had
>> one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom
>> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more than
>> 35mm tires it's a great bike.
>> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. The
>> higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal strike
>> no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but a
>> reasonable compromise.
>> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than
>> 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher trails
>> than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm
>> rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike
>> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking
>> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there).
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>
>>> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini
>>> does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter
>>> on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:
>>>
 The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my
 bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear
 wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels.
 Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a
 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference
 but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years),
 but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike
 fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80
 or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 
 28mm.

 That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a
 difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big
 consideration for me.

 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini
> over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy"
> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike 
> category
> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and
> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a
> modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a
> road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike
> when the day is done.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes
>> Rivendells have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them 
>> in
>> 1997 and have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again.
>>
>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes
>> for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me 
>> not
>> koolaide but a practical   comfort.
>>
>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a
>>> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us
>>> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 
>>>
>>> I have 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

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The Saluki/Bleriot were 650B bikes, not 700c bikes. Wheel size makes a
world of difference to me.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 2:51 PM J S  wrote:

> I have a question regarding the Roadini vs. the old Saluki and Bleriot
> bikes. I wonder how similar it is to these? I have a Sam and found a Saluki
> in my size so sold my Bleriot. I am not a fan of the lng chainstays, so
> the Sam works perfectly for someone like me. I have fat 48mm tires on it
> and 42’s on the Saluki. Speed is a non issue or will be when my knees let
> me ride again. As I get older a go fast bike would be at the bottom of my
> list, but I did love my old go fast bikes when I was much younger.
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:14:40 PM UTC-4 brenton...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have really fallen for these luscious new Roadini builds I've seen at
>> Riv and Blue Lug.
>>
>> I have a Sam Hillborne and love it. It's been through several iterations
>> of cockpit/racks/bags/brakes/wheels/tires and all have been really fun.
>> Right now it has flat bars with sweep, chunky 47mm tires, and is an
>> excellent all around adventure/trail/camping ride. It's currently my only
>> bike!
>>
>> Before the Sam, I rode 90s road bikes exclusively for 20 years, and those
>> worked great for city/commuting/neighborhood/pub rides. I've heard that the
>> Roadini does NOT offer that kind of
>> ride/speed/feel/handling/gusto/whatever, from several folks in this group.
>>
>> So am I fooling myself into thinking another $2500 Riv build is going to
>> scratch the itch? Or should I buy a <$500 Japanese Road Bike that can hold
>> 33s and actually feel some performance?
>>
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Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

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As a huge fan of the Roadini, I'm not surprised. I think it's still the
most versatile bike in the Rivendell list of models. Maybe the A Homer
Hilsen would be close, but then you start running into issues with packing
that bike into a case for travel.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 1:34 PM Brian Cunningham <
thisisbriancunning...@gmail.com> wrote:

> …and as of 1:30pm the Sergio Green in 54cm is the first to sell out.
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Malocchio looks interesting --- low BB and a nice headset. But it's
>> not any cheaper than a Roadini (though it might very well be lighter!).
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 12:17 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Brenton — Other modern production frames to consider: Crust Lightning
>>> Bolt and Molocchio?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Just going to throw this out there about the RB-1. Here's the actual
 tubing spec and not what was listed in the literature. All of the 59cm & up
 used the heaviest tubes in this set btw. My 62cm weighed in at 7.8 lbs for
 the f/f/hs

 https://web.archive.org/web/20160802144339/http://johndogfood.com/john/1993_DLR/reduced-1600/Bridgestone_Dealer_1993_10.jpg
 I know smaller frames are a little different (smaller frames are
 generally lighter) , and I know it's blaspheme to some people, but they're
 not all that. I love the way they ride but I don't think they deserve the
 holy grail cult status they're given. They're overbuilt for some people
 (not me) and the tire clearance is not typically great. I take calipers out
 and I can honestly tell you that my '93 would not clear a true 30.
 There's a lot to be said with getting what your heart is set on though
 & confirmation bias is a powerful thing. A Gunnar or Waterford will be a
 much better choice if you're looking for zip & clearance. Also the Roadini
 is an amazingly designed bike. I've talked to Riv about it and they cut
 down the tubes to the lightest butting possible so the 57cm & 54cm (not
 sure what you're size is) will be noticeably lighter than the 61 frame. I
 have no personal experience with the Roadini but my wife got the 50cm &
 loves it more than her old (lightweight) Colnago & Battaglin.

 On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:44:46 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Erik,
>
> See if you can’t find a Gunnar Sport (or Waterford)
>
> I love mine and with VO calipers (which are excellent) it clears
> 35mm.  I run the 32mm RH slicks.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 8:48 AM Brian Cunningham <
> thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As someone who’s bought four Rivs over the last 14 years and has
>> never bought one new (sorry, Grant! I still buy plenty of parts and
>> accessories from the site!), waiting and letting someone else do the
>> depreciating is fine as long as you’re happy with your current stable. I
>> acquired my complete, virtually new Roadini, for only a few hundred 
>> dollars
>> more than I would pay for the frame & fork to be shipped to me & 
>> inclusive
>> of sales tax…
>>
>> That said, I am super enamored with the Roadini!
>>
>> Brian
>> Muddying the waters in Glendale, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:40:05 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's so much subjectivity here. I love hearing different
>>> experiences and opinions. My plan is to hold out and see if some of the
>>> underwhelmed folks offer up their Roadini's for sale. In the meantime 
>>> I'll
>>> be cruising Craigslist and the like for a 58ish Bridgestone RB, or 
>>> similar,
>>> that I can try out and see if I don't just stick with Sam H 100% of the
>>> time like I have been for 2 years.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

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The Malocchio looks interesting --- low BB and a nice headset. But it's not
any cheaper than a Roadini (though it might very well be lighter!).

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 12:17 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Brenton — Other modern production frames to consider: Crust Lightning Bolt
> and Molocchio?
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> Just going to throw this out there about the RB-1. Here's the actual
>> tubing spec and not what was listed in the literature. All of the 59cm & up
>> used the heaviest tubes in this set btw. My 62cm weighed in at 7.8 lbs for
>> the f/f/hs
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20160802144339/http://johndogfood.com/john/1993_DLR/reduced-1600/Bridgestone_Dealer_1993_10.jpg
>> I know smaller frames are a little different (smaller frames are
>> generally lighter) , and I know it's blaspheme to some people, but they're
>> not all that. I love the way they ride but I don't think they deserve the
>> holy grail cult status they're given. They're overbuilt for some people
>> (not me) and the tire clearance is not typically great. I take calipers out
>> and I can honestly tell you that my '93 would not clear a true 30.
>> There's a lot to be said with getting what your heart is set on though &
>> confirmation bias is a powerful thing. A Gunnar or Waterford will be a much
>> better choice if you're looking for zip & clearance. Also the Roadini is an
>> amazingly designed bike. I've talked to Riv about it and they cut down the
>> tubes to the lightest butting possible so the 57cm & 54cm (not sure what
>> you're size is) will be noticeably lighter than the 61 frame. I have no
>> personal experience with the Roadini but my wife got the 50cm & loves it
>> more than her old (lightweight) Colnago & Battaglin.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:44:46 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Erik,
>>>
>>> See if you can’t find a Gunnar Sport (or Waterford)
>>>
>>> I love mine and with VO calipers (which are excellent) it clears 35mm.
>>> I run the 32mm RH slicks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 8:48 AM Brian Cunningham <
>>> thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 As someone who’s bought four Rivs over the last 14 years and has never
 bought one new (sorry, Grant! I still buy plenty of parts and accessories
 from the site!), waiting and letting someone else do the depreciating is
 fine as long as you’re happy with your current stable. I acquired my
 complete, virtually new Roadini, for only a few hundred dollars more than I
 would pay for the frame & fork to be shipped to me & inclusive of sales 
 tax…

 That said, I am super enamored with the Roadini!

 Brian
 Muddying the waters in Glendale, CA

 On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:40:05 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> There's so much subjectivity here. I love hearing different
> experiences and opinions. My plan is to hold out and see if some of the
> underwhelmed folks offer up their Roadini's for sale. In the meantime I'll
> be cruising Craigslist and the like for a 58ish Bridgestone RB, or 
> similar,
> that I can try out and see if I don't just stick with Sam H 100% of the
> time like I have been for 2 years.
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Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

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I wrote 2 reviews of my Roadini:
https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html,
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/putting-together-my-roadini.html

It's a great bike. If you like Grant designed bikes, you will like the
Roadini. But you have to be sure you want a road bike.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 8:32 AM Tim Bantham  wrote:

> Well I was all set to buy one of these Roadini frames today but now I'm
> having second thoughts. Like some of you have mentioned I find them
> aesthetically pleasing (especially the Sergio's Green) but I am feeling
> unsure about whether or not I would be happy with how it rides.  I've
> churned through too many bikes and I just don't want to make the same
> mistake.. It's an affliction that we all share. I have a Sam that I
> absolutely love. It's my first Riv and I decided that I never want to part
> with it.  My only other experience with a tig welded Riv was a Clem H. I
> realize that this is subjective but the Clem H didn't do it for me at all.
> I sold it not long after I finished the build.
> I'm afraid I might have the same experience with a the Roadini. I feel
> like I need to trust my instincts but the pull of FOMO is very strong.
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:47:27 AM UTC-4 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Since I now own both a Sam and a Roadini (as of last month), the latter
>> is noticeably zippier. The difference I feel in going from a stop to
>> accelerating to a normal cruising speed is palpable. The Roadini just gets
>> there faster and climbs more nimbly. My feelings seem to be supported by
>> data. Now we’re not talking crazy differences in speed, but my rather flat
>> commute   is somewhere around 14mph on the Sam and exceeds 15mph on the
>> Roadini. (Though nobody rides a riv to break speed records, I like mapping
>> my rides to keep track of mileage, and as a side benefit, I get to see the
>> speeds, too.)
>>
>> The Sam has a nitto rack/Wald 137/sugarloaf, while the Roadini has just a
>> Fab’s Abs handlebar bag and a tiny Acorn bag in the rear for
>> tools/tubes/patch kit.
>>
>> At this point I see myself leaning on the Roadini except in cases where I
>> need to carry more stuff. Tire clearance is about the same between my 2015
>> side pull Sam and ‘22 Roadini. The Sam of course has braze-ons that the
>> Roadini doesn’t.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Brian
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 7:22:47 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My '93 RB-1 fit 32mm Avocet inverted thread cross-type tires. I bought
>>> the frame and fork (it came with a headset) and weighed it at the time. It
>>> was 6.2 pounds or so (corroborated here:
>>> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/778487-bridgestone-rb-1-1993-a.html).
>>> My Roadini, by contrast weighed about a pound more. I put some parts I had
>>> lying around and on it and it weighed about 22 pounds ready to ride
>>> (pedals, bottle cages, etc). I can't tell whether it's stiffer, but it's
>>> definitely more flexy than my Ti touring bike which has 43cm chainstays and
>>> is modeled after the RB-1.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:35:06 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I wish I had a breakdown by model and year (I don't!) but the
 Bridgestone RB series varied the tire clearances by year. Some years fit a
 bigger tire than others. For example, the TIG welded 1990 RB-2 could clear
 a 32mm tire. I haven't encountered apocrypha indicating *any* RB-1
 could clear more than a 28mm.

 More on that 1990 RB-2 here:
 https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/pdfs/bstoneRB2synergy1990.pdf

 As Ex Lion Tamer alludes to, there are other frames out there you can
 find that are cheaper than a top tier Bridgestone. Those frames have a lot
 of cache and often are not cheap.

 Here's another helpful iBOB thread with some discussion on RB-1 ride
 quality and suggestions for other frames to seek out:
 https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/IYFf1tLmYPM/

 Grant would say that any Riv is better than any Bridgestone. Better
 made and without compromises. If your POV on tubing and geometry aligns
 with Grant's then Robert's your mother's brother.

 On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The RB's in the 90's were advertised as around 22 lb total for a
> mid-sized frame and that was built with a lot of non-light parts. I would
> guess the frame is lighter weight and flexier than a roadini.
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> If the Roadini with its double oversized tubing is lighter than an
>> RB1… I would be very surprised. I’ve owned both, but probably 20 years
>> apart. But tall head tubes, long chainstays, and heavy tubing all add up
>> quickly.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023, exliontamer  wrote:
>>
>>> An RB-1 is a relatively heavy bike especially in 59cm & up 

Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

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I rode both those closures fairly recently (a month or two ago). Road
closures are usually good for cyclists --- no cars!

On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 11:05 AM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> Kim,
>
> Old La Honda and Stage (which you might have taken near San Gregorio) are
> closed: https://www.smcgov.org/publicworks/county-road-closures
> Hwy 84, which is how I usually get home after riding Old La Honda, has
> some seriously scary damage:
> https://dot.ca.gov/caltrans-near-me/district-4/d4-projects/d4-san-mateo-84-storm-damage
>
> I think OLH is closed at the very top, so I may ride up it to the closure
> and then back down again this weekend.
>
> Drew
>
> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:01:13 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> I, personally, have never been nor set foot on or to the Mountain Winery
>> in Saratoga in California. However, I have been by that road entrance on
>> Hwy 9 many times over that led up to it.
>>
>> Back in the 70's, I went to a school up off of Sanborn Road on Pick Road
>> that led to a plateau overlooking the Paul Mason Vineyards from a distance.
>> The name of the school I went to was Valley Christian High School, of which
>> I attended for four years.
>>
>> I did ride my bicycle to school one time. That was a big adventure from
>> Mountain View, where I lived with my parents. I rode my first ten speed
>> bicycle; a Batavus. Going down Sanborn Road was quite exhilarating to say
>> none the least.
>>
>> Now, the high school I went to has been turned into a summer camp and a
>> wedding venue with a lot of new amenities, especially a large pool. It is
>> called Walden West.
>>  http://www.waldenwestfoundation.org/
>>
>> I did a lot of bicycle riding up Old LaHonda from Page Mill Road to
>> Skyline and over to the coast to San Gregorio. I rode Skyline to Half Moon
>> Bay.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:26:55 PM UTC-7 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> Took the Riv up to the Mountain Winery in Saratoga, CA today (almost
>>> more famous for the concerts and other events there than the wine). Even
>>> though I've lived here for many years, this is only my 2nd time riding up
>>> these hills. Most of the hills I usually ride around here are getting road
>>> repairs from this past winter's really heavy storms, so I'm broadening my
>>> route selection.
>>> [image: Panasonic-LX5-P1040361-20230704.jpg][image:
>>> Panasonic-LX5-P1040360-20230704.jpg][image:
>>> Panasonic-LX5-P1040359-20230704.jpg]
>>> The new Swift Kestrel did a fine job holding the vest and arm warmers
>>> that I really didn't need (I keep forgetting how much warmer it is just a
>>> little south of where I live), plus the little Panasonic LX5 camera that
>>> was used to take these photos.
>>>
>>> I'm also really liking my "one by with bailout" 26-42, 11-28 gearing. I
>>> only used the front derailleur four times (two downshift, two upshift) for
>>> the Mount Eden and Pierce roads, and mostly just stayed in the 42 for I'm
>>> guessing about 90-95% of the ride, which is what I wanted with this
>>> gearing. I used the whole cassette with the 42 'ring, and the 17 through 25
>>> with the 26 chainring.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

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> What a treat to see Jamie’s pair of old Rivendells (esp that Glorius) and
> hear their stories. I have not heard that quote Jim gave us from Grant, but
> I’m very glad to know it. I’m also motivated to get a cyclometer to keep
> track of my miles. I have been using the workout app on my iPhone, but that
> does not tell me which bikes get the miles…
>
If you use the strava app instead of the workout app, it'll let you
attribute miles to the appropriate bike. No need for a cyclometer.  You can
even link Strava to Pro Bike Garage(https://www.probikegarage.com/) and get
maintenance reminders.

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

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I test rode a Charlie with sidepull brakes last year when my Ti touring
frame broke and Grant loaned it to me for a week. It rides very similarly
to the Cheviot (which is the sidepull version of the Platypus), so in terms
of riding I think it can do anything the Platypus can do. The bike Grant
lent me had swept back bars, and I rode it on and off road and with the
42mm tires it felt very plush.

It is probably overkill for day riding on smooth roads and light credit
card touring, but I probably like underbiking more than most. For instance,
I would consider the Roadini with 32mm tires a bit overkill for a 3 week
tour of the alps -- the bigger tires slow steering enough to reduce my
enjoyment of the descents.  My bike in this picture (
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QQeP7phjn8wkscLG6) had 25mm tires, and I was
happy to ride it on that trail. (and yes, maybe that's why my touring bikes
break)

On the other hand, it's the kind of bike I wouldn't hesitate to ride down
what others would call mountain biking trails that require suspension, so
it could very well invite you to do more than you think you can. Before my
wife acquired her mountain bike, I put 1.75mm tires on her Cheviot and she
treated it like a mountain bike. I will note that after she acquired a dual
suspension MTB she said she didn't know how she got by riding the Cheviot
down those trails I was taking her and the kids on.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 5:53 PM Steve  wrote:

> A question for any Proto Charlie riders who may also have some experience
> with the Platy.
>
> I'm honing in on my FIRST Riv and have.narrowed  the field to the Platypus
> vs the upcoming Charlie H.
> I recognize that the Platy frameset (either brazed or lugged) is a step
> above the TIG'd  Charlie, and that the latter is destined for side pull
> brakes. Having said that, I do find Charlie's lines more fetching.
>
> I'll be building the bike up for riding predominantly on smooth surfaces -
> paved roads and hard packed rail trails. Also thinking full fenders over 38
> or 40 mm tires - 700c or 650b. Bars maybe a cm above the seat (with
> flexibility to raise them more if needed in the future). It will be mostly
> a day rider but could see some light "credit card" touring. I'll probably
> want to mount a rando style front  rack and run a wide range 2x9.
>
> Me; 165lbs, PBH 81cm, seat height ~ 68.5 cm
>
> Opinions? I'd love to hear from anyone who knows these two models. Thanks!
> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 10:14:37 AM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> @ Brendonoid: Wondering if you could not try Centerpulls on your Sam?
>> They can be mighty effective. You could always braze on posts (I have done
>> this on my Sam for the record) if the Centerpulls don't do it for you.
>>
>> John
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:31:28 AM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I was 100% buying a Charlie until the brake change now I am 95% not
>>> going to buy one. I have never had a problem with R559s and have used them
>>> on quite a few bikes but their clearance limitations are the real problem.
>>> Wet weather downhill performance can be weak but it isn't a deal breaker. I
>>> want big slicks on a road bike and the Charlie was going to be that bike
>>> for me. Oh well.
>>>
>>> Thinking more and more about welding canti posts onto my old sidepull
>>> Sam instead though...
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

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On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 12:13 PM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> Thankfully I've removed my stem a few times - usually to box my bike when
> flying.  So hopefully my stem won't get seized.  Last time was to Philly
> when I saw Leah and met the Rivsisters.  I'm planning to be there in
> March.  Keep riding your Betty Caroline.  They go forever.  Only at 72,000
> so far.
>
>
I did some more research and it turns out that some mechanics recommend
anti-seize: https://amzn.to/43Xl92j. Seems like it might be good for those
of us who're forgetful.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Phil cassette hub+wheel, tandem/145mm (HubbuHubbuH)

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Yeah. There are no cheap versions of the 145mm tandem rear hubs, plus a
full wheel rebuild wasn't what I wanted. The good news is that the kids
will outgrow being seen with dad on the triplet before we wear out this
next set of pawls and we can then sell the bike.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 6:57 PM Nick Payne  wrote:

> On Friday, 2 June 2023 at 2:59:22 am UTC+10 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Piaw: I have no idea if it's 3 or 4 pawl. Is there an indication of
> which it could be? Hub is in good condition (AFAIK).
>
> I believe they swapped the design around 2017. I ran into the same problem
> as Piaw when I needed new pawls for the rear Phil cassette hub on my tourer
> - the pawls they sell now only fit the post-2017 hubs - they don't have any
> stock of the older pawls - and the only option offered for my hub was a
> substantial price to upgrade it to the new version. As I could buy several
> Deore XT 780 rear hubs for the price Phil wanted to upgrade their hub, my
> touring bike now sports a rear wheel using a Deore XT hub.
>
> Nick Payne
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 1000 mile review

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> I love the orange Roadinis and I really like your build.  Some may not
> agree, but there is something about a bike whose rider pushes it beyond its
> design intent.Is that an Shimano Ultegra crank that's you've set up as
> a 1x? Looks good,
>
> That is indeed an Ultegra SL triple crank retrofitted with  a Wolftooth
38t chainring.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 1000 mile review

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Here are some pictures of my Roadini:
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XO7eDWt_RaCyVFynaZsftA.vhwY43mas9VqIf5gM0Swqo

The bike as pictured weighs 24 pounds. It was 21 pounds with no toolbag and
lighter wheels and 30mm tires. It's possible to get lighter steel (or
titanium) bikes, but then the costs go up dramatically as you're likely to
have to go custom with correspondingly high wait times.

On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:26 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Thanks for the review! As a daily drop-bar Sam rider, I'm well accustomed
> to the Rivendell ride. It's been a great bike for my uses: commuting, heavy
> loading. But, as a light (155# @ 6 foot tall), spinner,  I wish for a bike
> that is lighter, less stiff, and more flexible to ride when I want to
> charge hills and generally explore at speed on day rides. I am interested
> in this frame for these reasons. But I hesitate because I'm not sure of the
> tubing specs. I don't want it to be too much bike for me! Sam is less than
> ideal on the rides I imagine doing on the Roadini.
>
> I'd love to see some photos of your machine if you have any available.
>
> John
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:04:16 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it
>> that close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm
>> actual width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom
>> touring bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1
>> with a longer chainstay and lower BB.
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide tires
>>> and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with and
>>> without fenders are?
>>>
>>> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip overlap
>>> (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you experience
>>> TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were referencing the
>>> Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It
>>> gets rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I
>>> know how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>>>
>>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review:
 https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html

 I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are
 simply 1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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If you go way back to the 5-6 speed freewheel cassette days, the typical
bike was a 10 speed (really 8 speed since you can't go big/big or
small/small). It stands to reason once cassettes got to 11s, you didn't
really need the front derailleur/shifter any more as long as your low
gears/high gears were of sufficient range. Many people also point out that
a lot of the gears on the typical 2x drivetrain are duplicates, so you
don't really have 22 different gears anyway.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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> 24/38/48 was default gearing for triples back in the 7 and 8 speed days;
> well, perhaps 24/36/46 was more typical but I used the former with no
> problem.
>
> My question was: Do wide (11-12-13 cog) cassettes with the wider chain
> angles tend to throw chains off of the grannies in triple ring setups? But
> how common can those be? No one in his right mind would need 3 rings with
> 13 cogs -- I think.
>
> I have yet to see a triple ring setup with a 11s cassette.  But the
problem that most people are trying to solve is not enough low gears. Even
though they've added speeds on the back, the moment you switch from a 1x
drivetrain the maximum size of the large sprocket drops dramatically (no
more 51t sprocket). I don't think you can use the 10-52 or 11-51 sprockets
with 2x drivetrains --- neither Shimano nor SRAM will support it. The
default drivetrain from Shimano is a 30/46 crank with a 11-36t cassette.
That's still a higher low gear than a 40t chainring with an 11-51 cassette
and nothing stops the 1x drivetrain user from switching to a 36t front
chainring and getting even lower gears.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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Oops. I meant to write that 2x is much more reliable than 3x. My 2x
drivetrain almost never gets into trouble.

On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 3:15 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

>
>> Could ever wider cassettes contribute to throwing chains off chainrings?
>>
>> The transition to 1x includes a narrow wide chainring and a rear
> derailleur clutch so chains don't come off chainring. It works. And yes, 2X
> are much more reliable than 1x. But the default Shimano/SRAM gearing
> doesn't include a small enough chainring on 2x either!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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>
>
> Could ever wider cassettes contribute to throwing chains off chainrings?
>
> The transition to 1x includes a narrow wide chainring and a rear
derailleur clutch so chains don't come off chainring. It works. And yes, 2X
are much more reliable than 1x. But the default Shimano/SRAM gearing
doesn't include a small enough chainring on 2x either!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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Are modern FDs really that bad / hard to adjust? i learned to ride a 2x5
> drivetrain (Schwinn Suburban) in 1969. That bike weighed 38 lbs, but it
> always shifted just fine. I rode 2x and 3x with only Campagnolo Nuovo
> Record FDs from 1972 to 2002, never a problem (maybe a Suntour Cyclone in
> there somewhere for a year or two). In common with the Schwinn FD (Huret?)
> was that they had smooth cages. Still have 3 bikes with Campy NR FDs. i
> think that many modern derailleurs are built to match a certain crank /
> chainring combo, and when asked to do something different, do not work as
> well. I did go with a friction shifted mostly smooth caged Dura-Ace FD-7800
> (2003) on my Custom.


They're not hard if you stick to the default gearing that
Shimano/SRAM/Campy in their infinite wisdom chose for us. Unfortunately
that gearing is suitable only for people who live in flatland or are 25
year old strong cyclists.  A 30t small chainwheel is worthless to me. Those
of us looking for a low gear of around 19" or less ended up picking much
smaller chainrings and discovering that the FD becomes unreliable as a
result. I remember it took my bike shop a long time to find a front
deraileur that would shift a 24/38/48 combination. And even then I tore
that derailleur off by shifting while riding over railroad tracks. One time
I shift my tandem (24/39/52) at the wrong time on a climb, and not only
tore off the derailleur and broke the chain, but also tore off teeth on the
chainrings and sheared off one chainring bolt. The bike shop had to drill
out that chainring bolt to put in new chainrings. Yes, two people pedaling
hard on a climb can do that to a crank!

It's possible to do bad things to 1x drivetrains too, but fortunately, many
ebikes come with one and Shimano/SRAM have had to adjust to the increased
torque that ebikes can produce and so those drivetrains are actually hardy
when someone like me abuses them.

Piaw

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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>
>
> Actually, it took me a full year to get the front derailer on one of my
> bikes to shift without drama, and I've been wrenching personally and
> professionally for 50 years. On a lovely gravel road in Maine, I had just
> just passed a couple of young women on horses and started up a hill.
> Flipped the lever and dropped the chain into the chainstay. So much for
> that new paint, and so much for looking like the cool guy who had
> thoughtfully announced his presence and rolled quietly and slowly by them.
> You realize why 1x drivetrains are so popular when that happens. If you're
> not 100% confident that when you move the lever nothing bad is going to
> happen, you just don't move the lever. And you miss out on all those
> wonderful spinny gears. (Turns out I just needed to rotate the inner
> chainring 1/5 of a circle, shifts immediately and confidently, now.)
>

I'm not a professional mechanic, and I ran 3x drivetrains for many years,
frequently running them out of spec (24t small chainring, 39 tooth middle
ring) The number of times I've dropped the chain has been innumerable. Last
year I flipped everything to a 1x drivetrain, and now I don't know why I
didn't do so earlier. I don't race, and around here when the terrain
changes you don't  need a 1t adjustment, you need at least 2-3 teeth so the
bigger jumps don't bother me at all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:57 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> It's interesting that you see them having numbness problems. I have all
> upright bars now because they work for me but I have found that none of
> them really give the number of hand positions that a really nice drop bar
> (or albastache) has. I know that the concept of hand positions are there
> but with the long stems needed for many of them and just general design I
> find most of the alternate hand positions are not really useful for
> anything but brief stints of time.
>
> Lots of people who are used to flat bars  don't have the habit of changing
hand positions and so develop numbness. After all, if you're used to a MTB
straight bar there are no positions to change to! It also takes effort and
time to adjust drop bar positions properly so you can spend lots of time in
the drops --- though once you've overcome that learning curve the increase
in speed (1-2 mph) is significant --- once I got my brother adjusted to a
drop bar he was surprised by how much faster the bike was --- at no
increase in discomfort!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 1000 mile review

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Max tire width according to Rivendell is 42mm. I don't like to push it that
close, so I think in practice I won't run anything more than 38mm actual
width. I have no TCO on the Roadini. The TCO exists on my custom touring
bike, which has a geometry copied from the 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 with a
longer chainstay and lower BB.

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 9:55 AM Ian A  wrote:

> Piaw,
>
> Thank you for your review. You mention fitting nominally 40mm wide tires
> and I would be curious to know what the maximum tire widths with and
> without fenders are?
>
> Your review in the final paragraph draws reference to toe-clip overlap
> (TCO) and I was wondering if you could expand on that. Do you experience
> TCO on the Roadini?  I wasn't quite sure if you were referencing the
> Roadini or an idea for a custom in this snippet of the review "  It gets
> rid of the toe clip overlap (which doesn't bother me but now that I know
> how to solve it without making a bike handle badly".
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:54:06 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've now ridden my Roadini for 1000 miles, and I wrote my review:
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html
>>
>> I think I'm agreeing with the folks who say that gravel bikes are simply
>> 1990s style mountain bikes with 700c wheels and 1x drivetrains.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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The Cheviot's my wife's bike, so it was just that once. I ride the triplet
or my custom touring bike for club rides.

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:54 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Piaw, no way! This is so amusing. I would have LOVED a photo.
>
> Do you ever ride your Cheviot on club rides or just that once?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>
> 
> When Grant Petersen was visiting the south bay, we went on a ride with him
> organized by the Bicycle Outfitter. My girlfriend and I was on a tandem,
> and of course we weren't keeping up. So he rode up to us and started
> pushing us with his hand on my girlfriend's back. Then Mark rode up and
> started helping by pushing on Grant's back. They're amazing bike handlers
> (as well as very strong).
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:37 PM Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Doug, I laughed out loud. The guy pushing you!  It’s so humbling,
>> right? We need to organize a Clem ride, which is where we’d be right at
>> home. We’d call it a Clems With Nothing To Prove Ride.
>>
>> The terror of trying and failing to keep up at high speeds would be but a
>> distant memory.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 16, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up
>> but could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort
>> not to drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My
>> heart and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another
>> day, on a steep incline a racer friend of mine told me not to get below 10
>> mph on the hill (seemed arbitrary to me...) but I could not manage to keep
>> that speed. He actually PUSHED me with one hand to keep me up to speed when
>> I slowed and to this day I am amazed he was pedaling his weight and some of
>> mine!!
>>
>> I am faster and find hills easier to climb on my 20 pound Wabi Thunder
>> than on my Clem. The Clem is more comfortable and would be the bike I would
>> keep if I could only have one.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar
>>> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon
>>> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone.
>>>
>>> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely
>>> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles"
>>> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead
>>> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me
>>> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>>>
>>> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia
>>> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of
>>> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in
>>> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and
>>> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76"
>>> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the
>>> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a
>>> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very
>>> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>>>
>>> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out
>>> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.

 Brian

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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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When Grant Petersen was visiting the south bay, we went on a ride with him
organized by the Bicycle Outfitter. My girlfriend and I was on a tandem,
and of course we weren't keeping up. So he rode up to us and started
pushing us with his hand on my girlfriend's back. Then Mark rode up and
started helping by pushing on Grant's back. They're amazing bike handlers
(as well as very strong).

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:37 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Doug, I laughed out loud. The guy pushing you!  It’s so humbling, right?
> We need to organize a Clem ride, which is where we’d be right at home. We’d
> call it a Clems With Nothing To Prove Ride.
>
> The terror of trying and failing to keep up at high speeds would be but a
> distant memory.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up
> but could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort
> not to drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My
> heart and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another
> day, on a steep incline a racer friend of mine told me not to get below 10
> mph on the hill (seemed arbitrary to me...) but I could not manage to keep
> that speed. He actually PUSHED me with one hand to keep me up to speed when
> I slowed and to this day I am amazed he was pedaling his weight and some of
> mine!!
>
> I am faster and find hills easier to climb on my 20 pound Wabi Thunder
> than on my Clem. The Clem is more comfortable and would be the bike I would
> keep if I could only have one.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 11:43:11 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar
>> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon
>> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone.
>>
>> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely
>> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles"
>> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead
>> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me
>> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>>
>> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia
>> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of
>> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in
>> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and
>> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76"
>> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the
>> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a
>> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very
>> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>>
>> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out
>> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>>
>> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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Weight is secondary to aerodynamics. At 15mph, more than half the energy
goes into overcoming air resistance, and that goes up with the cube of the
speed from there.

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:31 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> I would also like to see a video of my suffering. And handlebar streamers
> and white basket will be forthcoming.
>
> I wondered why I wasn’t faster in the downhill, too. I’m thinking it’s
> because though my bike is heavier, my bodyweight is less than theirs. I’m
> hard for the women to keep up with on the downhills…
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar
> streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon
> fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone.
>
> But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely
> early 50-something, I rode with Gary "It was a bad year; only 9,000 miles"
> Blakely up the long Tramway climb. Downhill I continually pulled ahead
> because at 170 I weighed about 35 lb more than he. Bikes about the same (me
> #1 Riv custom, he refurbished -- by Mark Bulgier, IIRC -- Trek)
>
> 4 years ago I did  several rides with a group of engineers from Sandia
> labs, thanks to a friend who was then working there (he retired a couple of
> years ago). The others were all younger than I -- I would guess most in
> 3-0s and 40s with leader in early-mid 50s; I 64, friend 60 or 61 -- and
> rode derailleur bikes, mostly cf; I was on my '99 fixie gofast with 76"
> gear. 20, 30, and ??37? -- I bailed; see below -- rides. I bailed on the
> last one after facing a ~5 mile gradual uphill into Bernalillo with a
> headwind and gradually falling behind the group, tho' another rider very
> kindly shepherded me to the Bernalillo rest stop.
>
> But man, with the open road, tail wind, and downhill I was spinning out
> the 76" gear much of the way home.
>
> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 9:18 AM Brian Forsee  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [RBW] Deer-bike collision

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One of my co-workers says he captured a deer hit on Mt. Lemmon in AZ 4
years ago: https://youtu.be/MaLmkS_WRGk

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:05 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Those are some funny looking deer you have down there.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:12 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> Here it's the kangaroos you have to worry about:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0UF-hDKGw.
>>
>> Whenever I see a kangaroo anywhere near while out riding - I usually see
>> them several times a week - I go absolutely dead slow until I'm sure the
>> kangaroo is a reasonable distance away and heading in the other direction.
>> Several of my friends have been taken out by kangaroos or wallabies while
>> out riding. They (the animals, that is) are pretty erratic, and can turn
>> very sharply - the engineers from Volvo in charge of their animal collision
>> avoidance system spent quite a while at the local Tidbinbilla Nature
>> Reserve a few years ago analysing kangaroos, but AFAIK they have not
>> managed to adapt their software that works with moose, cows, etc to
>> successfully cope with kangaroos:
>> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/engineers-testing-volvo-s-driverless-technology-have-hit-a-problem-kangaroos/
>> .
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deer-bike collision

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There was no time to think, that was for sure. If he'd gotten a leg into my
spokes or a hoof onto any part of me a crash would have been unavoidable.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 7:05 AM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 3:25:07 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I think I used up all my luck for the next few years:
> https://www.strava.com/activities/8984851311. Coming down Prospect road
> on my Roadini, a deer tried to cross the road as I came around the corner.
> He swerved, I swerved, but we collided, and bounced. I saw my vision go up
> and down and thought it was all over. Fortunately, there was no traffic on
> the road and I didn't crash.
>
>
> Wow, that's remarkable and a testament to some sharp bike handling skills.
>
> I got taken down by a hawk earlier this year, on my Riv Road. Ended up
> taking it to John Sutherland for a straightening, which it did need, but no
> tube damage.
>
> Hit a deer in my car last week. I don't know if I braked first or my car's
> collision mitigation system did, but it ended up just a glancing blow and
> the deer ran away. It knocked out the headlight washer on the driver side,
> though. Like you, I'm feeling like I used up a bunch of luck.
>
> Nature seems to be fighting back. Very glad you were able to take the
> punch with minimal damage!
>
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Re: [RBW] Deer-bike collision

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I'm pretty sure the deer that hit me weighs less than a car. Hopefully I
won't be a disaster tomorrow.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, 13:45 Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm glad your wheels stayed down and hope that you are not too sore in a
> day or two. I was knocked over by a right-turning car at slow speed over 15
> years ago and after getting a few lacerations stitched up felt pretty good,
> and thought, "Well, I can ride in tomorrow." Nope, I spent a week stiff and
> sore. But you didn't hit the ground so perhaps you'll fare better.
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 2:25 PM Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> I think I used up all my luck for the next few years:
>> https://www.strava.com/activities/8984851311. Coming down Prospect road
>> on my Roadini, a deer tried to cross the road as I came around the corner.
>> He swerved, I swerved, but we collided, and bounced. I saw my vision go up
>> and down and thought it was all over. Fortunately, there was no traffic on
>> the road and I didn't crash. The bike seems undamaged as it was my arms and
>> legs that made contact. I kept riding home and the deer ran off into the
>> bushes by the side of the road. I'm going to be so sore tomorrow. The whole
>> thing was over in 2 seconds. I remember Terry Shaw once telling me about
>> his days of racing in the velodrome where sprints would physically muscle
>> each other while riding. I definitely felt muscled by something that
>> outweighed me significantly!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Homer Hilsen: Braking performance

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Ah... Now I understand why people have trouble with sidepull caliper brakes
--- if you're actuating the brake from the hood as opposed to being on the
drops, that would definitely reduce the braking power you have. On any kind
of steep descent I'm always on the drops. Sometimes even on the flats I'll
be on the drops.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 4:18 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> What handlebar type are you setting it up with?  If going with a bar that
> uses MTB style levers such as Albatross, I would be much less concerned,
> because you have much better ergonomic mechanical advantage at the lever
> vs. being on the hoods of a drop bar lever.  I don't believe you'll have
> any issue, and if you did, you could rectify with either better pads or
> going to Paul Racers as mentioned. Then you're certainly well set up for
> mountains - after all Jan Heine prefers centerpulls over other types of
> brakes for his wet, mountain pass-heavy and mixed surface riding.
>
> On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 01:27:52 UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’m window shopping for the next project and was interested in the Homer.
>> Great looking frame. My only concern is the brakes. I live in a pretty
>> mountainous area. Meaning plenty of long, fast descents.
>>
>> Those of you with Homers, how have you liked or disliked the brakes? Do
>> the 559’s give you adequate performance to descend with confidence? One
>> thing I do like about caliper brakes are how easy they are to set up and
>> adjust.
>> Thanks for any input.
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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

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I will say that when I got my Roadini setup, I was surprised by how much
better the brakes felt than my medium reach touring bike. At first, I
attributed it to the fancy Shimano brake cables I got for the Roadini. Then
I realized that I hadn't replaced the brake cables on my touring bike for
15 years! That tells you how trouble free those brakes are. I've descended
Stelvio in the rain on those sidepull calipers, overtaking people with disc
brakes equipped fancy bikes. The only thing you have to do is to run
Kool-Stop Salmon pads. I think all too often cyclists think that equipment
"upgrades" are needed, but lots of riding and practice is what you need to
develop judgement and bike handling skills. I've descended roads where I
braked so hard that I lifted the rear wheel on every corner --- with
caliper brakes. It doesn't matter how much  better your brakes are ---
braking harder than that would simply cause you to endo, so I feel no need
for better braking performance. (I will concede that descending that
quickly just to stay ahead of your riding partners reveals questionable
judgement --- I've since then stopped trying to push that hard on a descent)

I also use medium reach calipers on my triplet --- on a bike tour, my 2
kids and I  and luggage weigh 320 pounds. We don't break speed records down
mountain passes, but being able to stop has never been an issue, emergency
or not, rain or shine. If you think caliper brakes are inadequate for you
on a single bike, you probably need more practice cycling in challenging
environments.

Finally, I have to wonder what people consider trail-riding capable bikes.
I've ridden my touring bikes/triplet/single on all sorts of terrain where
people were convinced you *needed* a mountain bike on. I'm happy to ride my
Roadini under those circumstances. While there's no way I'd be as fast down
trails like that than I am on my hard tail MTB with 55mm tires, it's also
clear to me that I'm overall faster on the Roadini because you spend 3
times the amount of time climbing than you do on a descent, so a bike that
climbs better and is lighter more than compensates for having to be more
careful on the downhill and hence have to ride slower.

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 10:23 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Phew, heated brake debate! There isn't much else to talk about with the
> Charlie since we have no recent news, so it's a good use of this thread
> perhaps.
>
> I should clarify: I don't mind side-pull/caliper brakes from a performance
> standpoint, although the longer reach models required on this bike are not
> as good as medium and short reach models. For me it was the limitations
> that caliper brakes put on tire & fender clearance that is unfortunate. But
> the CHG is meant to be a road and light gravel bike so fitting even 38mm
> tires with fenders is fine in reality. I'm also using this bike in rain and
> snow so I wanted the extra power of V's as well as the extra fender
> clearance for knobby winter tires. But those are beyond the typical
> use-cases for this bike.
>
> I totally see the caliper-lover's point of view on this - there are a lot
> more canti stud Rivs than caliper Rivs these days. No doubt calipers look a
> little sleeker on a roadish bike too. Maybe as Scott suggests we'll see a
> "middle ground" swoop tube model in the future between the CHG and the
> Hillibikes. Wait ... that's basically the Platypus. Yeah, that's further
> support that the CHG probably should be caliper brake. I concede.
>
> On Tuesday, 25 April 2023 at 10:09:07 UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> In my experience, sidepulls are great as long as you only ride in the dry
>> and don’t plan on any emergency stops.
>>
>> Eric
>> Not a caliper fan
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> I have zero issues with the effectiveness of sidepulls. I used them for
>>> years and years. I just think that the cantiposts gives you a lot more
>>> options for brakes (cant's, v, or mini-v) AND allow for using larger tires.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I remember back in the days before V-brakes and disc brakes when
 numerous cyclo-tourists and Tour de France racers were going over cliffs on
 mountain descents because sidepulls and centerpulls don't work - *N*
 *OT.*
 But I do remember when you adjusted the toe-in of your brake pad by
 twisting the caliper arms with a big crescent wrench in order to eliminate
 squeal.

 Laing
 On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm one of the few people who prefer sidepulls over cantis or
> v-brakes. I bought one of the last Cheviots, which had sidepull caliper
> brakes for my wife. I wouldn't have bought it if it had required V-brakes
> or Cantis as I have never been able to even replace brake pads on those
> without causing squeal. I actually think that Disc brakes are better than
> either of those for my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Disk brake dissatisfaction, switch to rim brakes [Was: Son Hub advice]

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How often have you worn out a rim completely from rim brakes? I can tell
you the answer for me: exactly once.
I owned a Bridgestone MB-3 from 1993 to 2007. In its first year I rode it
in Seattle, where a dry ride is one in which you submerge only one hub. I
carried spare brake pads on every ride, and I would wear out brake pads
every other ride. I rode in conditions where the BB would die after 3
months and the bike shop would comment that "we don't warranty bicycles
that have been treated like submersibles." After that year, I moved to
California and rode that bike in all conditions as well. Having said that,
it doesn't rain that much in California. it took 14 years before the rims
on the original bike wore out. By then I'd given the bike to my brother and
he bought new wheels for it.

For all my other bikes (which also see all weather use), I see multiple (as
in more than 10) brake pads use before I started using dental calipers to
measure the rim. I still have yet to wear one out. Most of the time if I
have to retire a rim it's because of a dent in it or other physical trauma
rather than brake pad wear. Sure, I live in California, but I ride year
round and I tour with my bikes in places where it rains. By contrast, my 7
year old has already bent a brake rotor on his Woom 4 beyond repair and he
doesn't weigh 60 pounds!

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 6:09 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for the responses. Very interesting opinions on the pluses and
> minuses of disk brakes.
>
> Disk brakes are obviously in many instances a matter of personal
> preference; rather like people who like wide bars versus those who hate
> anything much over 42 cm at the hoods.
>
> Me, I fully agree that rim brakes are perfectly fine, my exception is for
> bikes ridden in dirt or in dirty conditions; I've seen rim wear from
> calipers in a single wet, messy 20 mile ride on pavement.
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 7:10 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> Hydraulic disc brakes - turn the bike upside down or lay it on it's side
>> and the brakes get mushy. It is impossible to get 100% of the air out of
>> the system, so the "best" mechanics tell me , so changing the orientation
>> of the bike will reintroduce air into the system and then you have to play
>> with the brakes for a minute or so to get them back.
>> Quick release disc brakes - have to reposition the caliper most of the
>> time after re-installing the wheel.
>>
>> Advantages of disk brakes - none that I have found. Just like V-brakes, I
>> cannot find any real increase in braking with disc or V-brakes over
>> cantilevers. Cantilevers have a slight advantage over side-pulls, but very
>> little over center-pulls. I spent the money on Paul Klampers and brake
>> levers. The levers are the best, money well spent, and the Klampers are
>> better than BB-7s in that they set up easier, but better braking than rim
>> brakes - I would like to see it to justify the money, but I cannot.
>>
>> I put all the hoopla about the advantages of disc brakes in the same
>> category as frame "planing". I just don't see it. The Emperor has no
>> clothes.
>> Has Jan Heine ever done any scientific research on brakes the way he has
>> with tires?
>> The only truly massive difference in braking that I have ever seen is
>> when I went from chrome rims (Schwinn Varsity Sport) to aluminum rims
>> (Schwinn Super Sport) *in the rain*, now that is a big difference!
>>
>> I like a bike that disappears when I ride. I check the tire pressure,
>> then get on and "Just Ride".
>> I don't have to worry about replacing batteries in the lights or
>> derailleurs, it doesn't handle weird or fight me, it doesn't beat me to
>> death, everything just works. Inflating deflated tires (common thing when
>> you own too many bikes) only requires a pump, not a procedure.
>>
>> Laing
>> who doesn't necessarily take cycling advice from people whose parents
>> weren't born when I rode my 1st century
>>
>> On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 12:10:34 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> New thread to avoid my habit of yanking threads off-thread.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to hear details of the problems you faced, the problems that
>>> frustrated you about disk brakes.
>>>
>>> I ask because I've found even cable disk brakes, and even *really cheap* 
>>> cable
>>> disk brakes (OEM Tektros or what have you on the Monocog: these were so
>>> cheap they didn't even have pad adjusters; the only adjuster was the
>>> cables), and even cable disk brakes *pulled by road levers* perfectly
>>> ordinary and acceptable. On my Monocog 29er I have Shimano 600 AX lever
>>> (short pull, so I read) pulling Road BB7s, and they perform at least as
>>> well as most single pivot and centerpull calipers I've used -- more power,
>>> poorer modulation. I don't get rubbing, the "feel" is firm, the brakes stop
>>> fine; not the crushing power of hydraulics but "fine" -- I can hurt myself
>>> with the front brake.
>>>
>>> Now, when I first used disks on my first 2010 Monocog 29er, I did 

Re: [RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

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I lived for many years with one road bike, and I think it was great. Having
fewer decisions as to which bike to ride was great, and I perversely enjoy
wearing out tires and chains at a good clip --- makes me feel like I'm a
real cyclist. I did break the frame twice, and each time it kinda sucked
having to borrow bikes or ride the mountain bike everywhere. The thing the
broke me was breaking a frame during the height of the bike shortage during
the pandemic. Then I realized if I broke my frame a third time, I'd
probably go shopping for another custom builder and I'd want something to
tide me over until then. That led to me getting a Roadini, which now serves
as my gravel bike. I still like wearing parts faster so I end up riding my
dedicated road touring frame much more, but now I pull out the roadini for
those in-between dirt + mtb rides and it's nice having that option.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 AM DavidP  wrote:

> In the March blahg, Grant revisits the idea of preservation vs use and
> writes:
>
> "For daily tasks like shopping, commuting, errands, and all-purpose
> exercise, ride your favorite bicycle. A the risk of sounding self-serving,
> I'd say--get more than one special bike. You probably do that, or want to
> do that anyway."
>
> I think this thread is a testament to the fact that many of us have more
> than one special Bicycle.
>
> -Dave
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4 Slin wrote:
>
>> Guy -
>>
>> Those are some great bikes, I wish I could help slim down the herd, but
>> my frame size is smaller. Is there a story for how you ended up with so
>> many 2022 bikes?
>>
>> S
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 2:54:17 PM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have way too much overlap in my quiver:
>>>
>>> 2015 Soma San Marcos (Tiburon Blue) - 57cm
>>> 2018 Atlantis  (650B) - 56cm
>>> 2022 Crust Canti Romanceur (Pistachio) - 57cm
>>> 2022 Sam Hillborne (HiHo Silver) - 57cm
>>> 2004ish Rambouillet (Joe Bell Custom Brown) - 60cm
>>> 2022 Wolbis/Susie (Dark Gold) - 56cm
>>> 2021 Gus Boots (Mermaid) - 59cm
>>> 2022 Roadini (RBW Orange) - 57cm
>>> 2020 Platypus (Mermaid) - 60cm
>>> 2022 Rosco Bubbe - (Purple) - 60cm
>>>
>>> I would really like to slim down the herd!  You interested in helping?
>>>
>>> Guy
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-6 Steven Seelig wrote:
>>>
 Bikes in order of use:

1. Brand new Platypus for City riding
2. Spectrum titanium road bike (frame fabricated by Seven)
for clipped in rides and longer road tours
3. Rambouillet for more spirited city rides.
4. Sam outfitted as a gravel bike for country rides
5. Xtracycle cargo bike with a large aftermarket Bafang 1,000 watt
motor for shopping.
6. Brompton for train and plane travel and occasional last mile
rides if driving to a big car traffic event
7. 1986 Look Bernard Hinault Reynolds 753 steel bike.  Same frame
as the ones he a Lemond rode in the tour when the badger would not let 
 Greg
usurp his team leadership and claim the Yellow Jersey.


 On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:30:19 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

 Bikes in order of use

1. Joe Appa daily driver
2. Raleigh sprite vintage fixed for variety in commute
3. 90's GT avalanche for occasional MTB'ing
4. Dahon boardwalk guest bike I will occasionally use
5. Vintage Schwinn tandem for occasional fun ride. Kickback 2 speed

 Apparently I have too (two) few bikes!

 Edwin



 On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:

 Hi all,
 I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs
 with justification. I think it was 7.
  Any idea which reader it was in?
 Thanks!
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco to Arcata touring recommendations

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Btw, the bible for the Pacific Coast Tour is Spring & Kirkendall:
https://amzn.to/3Gueao2

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 9:32 AM Franklyn Wu  wrote:

> The prevailing wind is north-to-south, so if you will be on the coast
> much, then going from Arcata to SF is less challenging. There aren't many
> ways to get to Arcata, though, perhaps greyhound bus with your bike packed
> up?
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 9:12:55 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The biggest recommendation is to do it in reverse! In good weather you
>> get a tailwind North to South. Grinding against the headwind South to North
>> is no fun. You won't win the fight against mother nature and it won't be
>> nearly as fun!
>>
>> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy! I am doing a short little bike tour from San Francisco (Amtrak
>>> station) to Arcata California in a week or so on my Homer Hilsen.  Anyone
>>> have any tips or recommendations? Wondering if I should just stick to the
>>> PCH or try some other roads.  FYI I have ridden from Bodega Bay to LA so I
>>> have some experience on the coastal route but not that far north.  I will
>>> be camping with a very light road.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

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+1 on the single bolt seatposts. Those are the worst. I've always ended up
with a Thomson because way back in the 1990s they were the only 2-bolt
seatposts. Are there any alternatives nowadays? The Thomsons are pretty
spendy for something that seems like you could easily copy it.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 11:20 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> The Park Tool SuperGrip compound is supposed to be for carbon or alloy
> use. I've heard it really doesn't matter though; apparently stuff that's
> advertised for carbon fiber can also be used on steel and aluminum... I've
> just never had to actually use it before. I would be surprised if the Nitto
> S-83 26.8 post is somehow "off" in sizing. I mean, it's Nitto after all.
> I've had the bike since October but it has only started slipping in the
> past couple of weeks, so I'm not sure what has changed to cause it to do
> so. I can see how the machined grooves on a Thomson or the cheapo Kalloys
> that a lot of Rivs come with would help to prevent slippage. My main issue
> with Thomson posts is that they do not provide enough setback for me, and I
> won't use the Kalloys because I can't stand single bolt saddle clamps.
>
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've never needed anti-slip compound on any of my steel, aluminum or ti
>> frames.  Are you sure it's not the seatpost that's off in sizing? I
>> discovered, for instance, that the kalloy that came with my Roadini was
>> just no good. Replaced it with a Thomson and the problem just magically
>> went away. I did notice that the Thomson seatposts have some milling that
>> might improve grip, but then again, the cheapo seatpost on my Airborne
>> mountain bike (aluminum frame) never slipped either, so that milling
>> probably isn't even necessary. My impression with anti-slip compound was
>> that it was for carbon fiber seatposts (and I have cracked those) which
>> can't stand getting torqued.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

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I've never needed anti-slip compound on any of my steel, aluminum or ti
frames.  Are you sure it's not the seatpost that's off in sizing? I
discovered, for instance, that the kalloy that came with my Roadini was
just no good. Replaced it with a Thomson and the problem just magically
went away. I did notice that the Thomson seatposts have some milling that
might improve grip, but then again, the cheapo seatpost on my Airborne
mountain bike (aluminum frame) never slipped either, so that milling
probably isn't even necessary. My impression with anti-slip compound was
that it was for carbon fiber seatposts (and I have cracked those) which
can't stand getting torqued.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

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I will say that it's been so long since I used a poncho that I forgot about
pooling. Last year I splurged and picked up a Gorewear C5 (
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/09/review-gorewear-c5-shakedry-1985-jacket.html).
It is amazing piece of gear, and I'm enough of a cheapskate that my friends
were amazed that I had good things to say.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:13 AM Slin  wrote:

> @Luke - Right now I use a Cleverhood because I already have it. I probably
> wouldn't buy it again because they're so pricey and a bit over-engineered
> (tech-fabric, and magnetic arm holes).
>
> If I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the Carradice waxed
> canvas, or the Blue Lug Fairweather Poncho first. But I wish they came in
> high viz colors/designs.
> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-algae-green.html
>
>
>
> @Carlos and @Patrick -
> http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2010-04-25/
>
> [image: yehuda.gif]
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 9:01:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can assure you that water pools in the valley between your arms when
>> riding hoods on drop bars. I rode many miles watching the pretty color
>> swirls from the oils (petrochemical?) leaching from the material in the
>> puddle between my forearms, and emptying the puddle (during heavy rain)
>> every few hundred yards. This happens more with heavy ponchos like the
>> Duxback that don't flutter quite as much as lighter ones.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 9:36 AM reca...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've used the waxed canvas Carradice poncho for a little while now. It
>>> works great ... The only other thing that keeps me from recommending it to
>>> everyone is that if you ride upright bars like any of the Riv variants, the
>>> water will pool between the bars. Not a big deal but it happens as these
>>> seem to be designed more for drop bars?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

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I've found that the stiffer the soles of the shoes, the better pedaling
feels and if the shoe is too flexy you'll get hotspots or foot pain. So I
don't think switching pedals will help but switching shoes might.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 9:55 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> My instinct is that has a lot more to do with the shoes, ie not well
> supported arches maybe?  I found that long pedals like the MKS Monarch or
> the Bubbly were a gamechanger for foot comfort vs. shorter flat pedals, but
> probably because I am always riding in shoes that are objectively too soft
> for long distance riding. The Bubbly isn't the grippiest pedal, because it
> has no pins, but it's very grippy for a non-pinned and is easily the most
> comfortable pedal I've ridden
>
> On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 22:36:55 UTC-8 swar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since it seems like people here are pretty experienced with flat pedals
>> I'll ask a question.
>> I ride flats all the time, but I find that on especially long rides (100+
>> mi) or if I'm putting out too much power (like straining up a hill) I start
>> to get foot pain.
>> Does anyone have good recommendations for flat pedals that are better on
>> the feet (I'm a US 10.5 shoe size) - or advice for avoiding foot cramping
>> or pain?
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:05 PM Luke Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and
>>> fewer impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a
>>> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs
>>> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or
>>> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal
>>> options are not.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>>
 I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding
 I do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish
 road rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use
 clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are
 much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment
 as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I
 think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the
 time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone
 else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for
 years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of
 pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms
 with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot
 more.

 That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend
 Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few
 years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like
 them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for
 their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs
 work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.

 Josiah Anderson
 Missoula, MT

 Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :

> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with
> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have
> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and
> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>
> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank
> Brothers eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some
> flat pedals on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without
> bindings to see if I really still want them. I started going down the
> no-binding path a while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I
> actually liked bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. 
> If
> I was doing any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason 
> even
> if I ditch the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on
> my "group ride" bike (my Riv Road).
>
> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're
> super easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 
> 2)
> low profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no 
> tension
> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long 
> as
> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of
> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want
> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

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The 421s have one side which is flat and the other side is clip-in. We use
it on the triplet for the 0.8 mile (one way) commute to school for the kids
to ride to school in their running shoes. They're great. Amazon seems to
have stopped selling them but I've had no problems ordering them from
various british cycling shops. For a while the prices on these pedals were
such that if you needed a set of new SPD cleats it was as though you were
getting the pedals for $5-10.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:48 AM Michael Hammer  wrote:

> We use the Shimano T series SPD pedals and like them a lot, along with the
> Shimano shoes from this series.  Easy in and out, and float.  Shimano calls
> these "Click'r" and I think they are supposed to be a starter/city pedal.
> Works fine for my wife and I.  I don't think either of us has tipped over
> due to not being able to unclip.  I think we have the T400 models from
> several years ago; it seems the current version is T421 which is double
> sided which may be handy.
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:16:38 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals
>> called Click'R (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html).
>> My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't
>> lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep
>> segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with
>> special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add
>> weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever
>> crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>>>
>>> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano
>>> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with
>>> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with
>>> cleats.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>>>
>>> dick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightweight wheels question: J bend vs straight pull (Ritchey vs Hunt)

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Spoke tension wasn't an issue until hubs with wR went down to ridiculous
level. On one of my recent builds I discovered that the non-drive side was
definitely too loose if I tensioned the drive side to Velocity's specs. So
I made the decision to just tension the spokes to beyond velocity's specs
for maximum tension and live with a shortened rim life. That was not a
trade off I needed to do in the past.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 3:16 PM Will Boericke  wrote:

> Totally agree with John's wheels.  If I didn't like building wheels so
> much, I'd buy his for sure.
>
> As far as spoke tension imbalance, I'll reserve judgement until I have a
> problem.  Currently, I have 8 bikes with 9+ speed freehubs.  I've never had
> a spoke tension related problem with any, including wheels that I have
> abused unduly (I really shouldn't ride singletrack with 24/28 wheels,
> but).  In my sample size of 8, spoke tension is not an issue.
>
> Will
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 2:15:21 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> John at Neugent Cycles strikes me as "the real deal" with the right
>> connections and knowledge of modern wheel-building practices. Plus I could
>> be wrong but I think he's building these wheels himself, regardless they're
>> hand-built here stateside. (He let me mail some SimWorks' raw brass nipples
>> to use for the wheel build to his home address).
>>
>> I'm still rocking 8 speed cassettes so yes, it's a bummer 11 speed
>> systems screw with the structural integrity of the bicycle wheel. But
>> frankly, I'm not looking for these to last me 20 years. I'm a very light
>> rider, on a budget, ride 90% pavement, and I wanna lose 1.5lbs off my
>> wheels if I can!
>>
>> Bill made a joke about seeing these wheels on a Gus and I can do ya one
>> better: Neugent offers a carbon tubular wheelset at a sweltering 1000g that
>> I think would pair nicely with a Gus if anyone's looking to get up Mt.
>> Diablo with some pep!
>>
>> - Andrew, who jokes aside is a little curious about those tubular
>> wheels...
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:27:52 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew is correct. I made a mistake --- the washers are on the drive
>>> side, not the non-drive side.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 10:20 AM Andrew Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Washers are put on the drive-side rear spokes.

 Andrew

 On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:16:43 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> So if the drive side spokes have higher tension, why are the washers
> put on the non-drive side spokes? Again, makes no sense to me.
>
> Laing
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 10:20:40 AM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> The drive side still has higher tension, and the way to get durable
> wheels is to get high tension without cracking the rim. The washers spread
> the load of the spoke nipple over a wider area and prevents the rim from
> cracking. With lowish spoke count wheels and dished wheels, you can easily
> exceed the rim's cracking threshold.
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:27 AM lconley  wrote:
> So if the spoke tension is equal on both sides, why would one side
> need washers? Makes no sense to me.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> I would consider Ted Neugent's wheels:
> http://www.neugentcycling.com/Alloy-Wheels.html
>
> The TwoX technology (16 drive side spokes, 8 non-drive side spokes so
> you can have equal tension of spokes on both sides, with washers on the
> non-drive side so you can tension them safely without the rim cracking)
> makes a lot of sense to me. I've ordered a set and will report back when I
> get some real riding experience. I build my own wheels and they're 
> reliable
> but his approach makes sense and he has the scale to get the right parts
> drilled correctly in this case, and I can't build anything  as light.
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 1:18:22 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hey there group,
>
> As far as pre-built, lightweight alloy wheelsets are concerned, I'm
> currently looking at 3:
> Pacenti brevet, Ritchey Zeta II classic, and Hunt but leaning towards
> the last 2. I've had experience with Ritchey's and really enjoyed them and
> their clever J-bend design, but Hunt's are better stocked. Does anyone 
> have
> positive experience with Hunt wheels or do they lack longevity?
>
> I'd also be inclined to hear about your custom-built lightweight
> wheelset experiences. My goal weight is something in the 1600g range w/
> skewers.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightweight wheels question: J bend vs straight pull (Ritchey vs Hunt)

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Andrew is correct. I made a mistake --- the washers are on the drive side,
not the non-drive side.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 10:20 AM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> Washers are put on the drive-side rear spokes.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:16:43 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>
>> So if the drive side spokes have higher tension, why are the washers put
>> on the non-drive side spokes? Again, makes no sense to me.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 10:20:40 AM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The drive side still has higher tension, and the way to get durable
>> wheels is to get high tension without cracking the rim. The washers spread
>> the load of the spoke nipple over a wider area and prevents the rim from
>> cracking. With lowish spoke count wheels and dished wheels, you can easily
>> exceed the rim's cracking threshold.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:27 AM lconley  wrote:
>> So if the spoke tension is equal on both sides, why would one side need
>> washers? Makes no sense to me.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I would consider Ted Neugent's wheels:
>> http://www.neugentcycling.com/Alloy-Wheels.html
>>
>> The TwoX technology (16 drive side spokes, 8 non-drive side spokes so you
>> can have equal tension of spokes on both sides, with washers on the
>> non-drive side so you can tension them safely without the rim cracking)
>> makes a lot of sense to me. I've ordered a set and will report back when I
>> get some real riding experience. I build my own wheels and they're reliable
>> but his approach makes sense and he has the scale to get the right parts
>> drilled correctly in this case, and I can't build anything  as light.
>>
>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 1:18:22 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>> Hey there group,
>>
>> As far as pre-built, lightweight alloy wheelsets are concerned, I'm
>> currently looking at 3:
>> Pacenti brevet, Ritchey Zeta II classic, and Hunt but leaning towards the
>> last 2. I've had experience with Ritchey's and really enjoyed them and
>> their clever J-bend design, but Hunt's are better stocked. Does anyone have
>> positive experience with Hunt wheels or do they lack longevity?
>>
>> I'd also be inclined to hear about your custom-built lightweight wheelset
>> experiences. My goal weight is something in the 1600g range w/ skewers.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrew
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightweight wheels question: J bend vs straight pull (Ritchey vs Hunt)

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If you feel that your wheels are already plenty strong and durable enough,
sure. But what I've discovered over the years is that hubs have gotten
their wR smaller and smaller, which reduces the bracing angle and increases
the difference in tension between drive and non-drive side wheels.

https://blog.piaw.net/2009/07/hubs.html

Back in 2009 when I did the above measurements, the Campy Record was the
hub with the smallest wR at 15.2mm, which makes the wheel much weaker ---
you pretty much needed an offset rim to have any kind of durability with
those hubs. At this point, with the industry having moved to 11-12 speed
wheels, wR has gotten worse. At this point, most hubs have less than 16mm
wR. Of course you can also make the wL smaller by introducing disc brake
rotor mounts on the non-drive side but that really doesn't solve the
problem of weaker wheels.

If you're still living with 6 speed hubs with wR of 22mm or less, I'd agree
with  you. But that's not the world I live in. So for me, anything that
makes the wheel stronger is a feature, not a bug.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 7:59 AM Will Boericke  wrote:

> Not a huge fan of the 16/8 idea for this reason.  Seems like a solution in
> search of a problem.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 10:20 AM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:
>
>> The drive side still has higher tension, and the way to get durable
>> wheels is to get high tension without cracking the rim. The washers spread
>> the load of the spoke nipple over a wider area and prevents the rim from
>> cracking. With lowish spoke count wheels and dished wheels, you can easily
>> exceed the rim's cracking threshold.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:27 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> So if the spoke tension is equal on both sides, why would one side need
>>> washers? Makes no sense to me.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would consider Ted Neugent's wheels:
>>>> http://www.neugentcycling.com/Alloy-Wheels.html
>>>>
>>>> The TwoX technology (16 drive side spokes, 8 non-drive side spokes so
>>>> you can have equal tension of spokes on both sides, with washers on the
>>>> non-drive side so you can tension them safely without the rim cracking)
>>>> makes a lot of sense to me. I've ordered a set and will report back when I
>>>> get some real riding experience. I build my own wheels and they're reliable
>>>> but his approach makes sense and he has the scale to get the right parts
>>>> drilled correctly in this case, and I can't build anything  as light.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 1:18:22 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey there group,
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as pre-built, lightweight alloy wheelsets are concerned, I'm
>>>>> currently looking at 3:
>>>>> Pacenti brevet, Ritchey Zeta II classic, and Hunt but leaning towards
>>>>> the last 2. I've had experience with Ritchey's and really enjoyed them and
>>>>> their clever J-bend design, but Hunt's are better stocked. Does anyone 
>>>>> have
>>>>> positive experience with Hunt wheels or do they lack longevity?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also be inclined to hear about your custom-built lightweight
>>>>> wheelset experiences. My goal weight is something in the 1600g range w/
>>>>> skewers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightweight wheels question: J bend vs straight pull (Ritchey vs Hunt)

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The drive side still has higher tension, and the way to get durable wheels
is to get high tension without cracking the rim. The washers spread the
load of the spoke nipple over a wider area and prevents the rim from
cracking. With lowish spoke count wheels and dished wheels, you can easily
exceed the rim's cracking threshold.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:27 AM lconley  wrote:

> So if the spoke tension is equal on both sides, why would one side need
> washers? Makes no sense to me.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 4:44:22 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I would consider Ted Neugent's wheels:
>> http://www.neugentcycling.com/Alloy-Wheels.html
>>
>> The TwoX technology (16 drive side spokes, 8 non-drive side spokes so you
>> can have equal tension of spokes on both sides, with washers on the
>> non-drive side so you can tension them safely without the rim cracking)
>> makes a lot of sense to me. I've ordered a set and will report back when I
>> get some real riding experience. I build my own wheels and they're reliable
>> but his approach makes sense and he has the scale to get the right parts
>> drilled correctly in this case, and I can't build anything  as light.
>>
>> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 1:18:22 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey there group,
>>>
>>> As far as pre-built, lightweight alloy wheelsets are concerned, I'm
>>> currently looking at 3:
>>> Pacenti brevet, Ritchey Zeta II classic, and Hunt but leaning towards
>>> the last 2. I've had experience with Ritchey's and really enjoyed them and
>>> their clever J-bend design, but Hunt's are better stocked. Does anyone have
>>> positive experience with Hunt wheels or do they lack longevity?
>>>
>>> I'd also be inclined to hear about your custom-built lightweight
>>> wheelset experiences. My goal weight is something in the 1600g range w/
>>> skewers.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrew
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

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This is hilarious. I'll pile on with my brother's story. He got rejected by
UC Berkeley and accepted by UCLA. Not to be deterred, he wrote an appeal
letter that stated: "Don't let me go to UCLA. After 4 years there I won't
know what a tree looks like." UC Berkeley reversed its denial and enrolled
him.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:50 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Southern California: Distance expressed in time (Anaheim is 45 minutes
> from here)
>
> Northern California: Distance expressed in miles (Folsom is 12 miles away)
>
> And yes, up here the cities have actual edges, where you’re out in the
> country on the way to the next city.
>
> --Eric N, Who Moved From SoCal to NorCal 25 years Ago and Has Never Looked
> Back
>
> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The differentiation for me when I moved north in 1988 is there's spaces
> between towns in Northern California. If you grew up in LA/Orange Counties
> you understood towns as different signs on the same vast concrete
> landscape.
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> I thought the way you knew Northern from Southern California was if
>> people named freeways with “The”:
>>
>> “This is the 101” = you’re in Southern California
>>
>> “This is 101” = you’re in Northern California
>>
>> “That was Highway 101” = you’re listening to a classic rock station
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:01 PM Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you have a Safeway, you're in Northern California.
>>> If you've got a Vons, you're in SoCal.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Sonoma County, Calif (born in SF)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:17:22 PM UTC-8 freefo...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Bay Area isn't Northern California says the guy from Humboldt
 County. We have way less traffic and better air. 

 On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 9:54 PM Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of
>> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the
>> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos 
>> posted
>> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up
>> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads
>> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have 
>> to
>> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not 
>> really.
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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

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The Loma Prieta branch of the Sierra Club actively fought trail access for
mountain bikers in the area. It's something many of us here will never
forgive them for. Nevertheless, there are a lot of good trails that are
worth riding available, many of which see no more than 2 cyclists an hour.
Pre-pandemic they were even less used but with the rise of gravel bikes I'm
starting to see more traffic.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:38 AM Wesley  wrote:

> Winter cycling in colder climates is a fresh and wonderful form of joy. We
> lived in Madison, Wisconsin for seven years and commuting by riding
> straight across Lake Mendota was incredibly fun. Plus, I often had the
> paths to myself and got a lot of entertainment from taking on big snow
> berms. Ice and slush were a lot less fun, though. To each their own - I'll
> certainly agree that NorCal can be a lovely place to ride. The things that
> surprised me, though, are how incredibly narrow the roads are, and how most
> trails prohibit cycling.
> -W
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:21:01 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> The best winter cycling for me is no winter at all. No compromises or
>> adaptations.
>>
>> Summer, Summer, and Summer and Summer. I Love Summer HOT, HUMID Green
>> and Balmy SUMMMER !
>>
>> Where there are few to none "cyclists" around. In other words, where
>> cycling isn't popular and there is no such thing as "popular culture" to be
>> found.
>>
>> Where is such a place ?
>>
>> Right where One could never lose or find The Heart. Home, Heaven, is
>> The Heart. and where's isn't The Heart  but nowhere ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

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I've been to Athens. It definitely doesn't have mountains comparable to
what you can find in the Santa Cruz mountains. The sheer variety of terrain
from desert to open fields to redwood forests in the Bay Area beats Athens.
For food, try getting great Asian food (Chinese, Japanese and Indian) in
Athens. It's not even close. I will say that the archaeological/ancient
monuments in Athens beats the heck out of anything in the Bay Area. I'd say
that music in the Bay Area can be pretty good, but not being big on
nightlife I can't say that I'd be authoritative on it.

For cycling, the only places I think are comparable (still a step down) are
Mallorca and Girona in Spain. I did a superlative trip to those places
before the pandemic (
https://blog.piaw.net/2019/05/index-2019-mallorca-and-girona-fixed.html),
and they are outstanding because the number of cyclists in Mallorca feels
like you're in a century ride every day (cyclists outnumber car drivers on
most of the mountain roads!), and the large number of hotels/apartments in
the area means you get very good prices for lodging. But I'd still say that
the food in the Bay Area for sheer diversity beats what you can find in
either Mallorca and Girona. Even then their hills aren't comparable to what
I'd find in the Bay Area. Bay Area mountains are suitable preparation for
the alps or the Sierras. Everything in Mallorca and Girona is gentle by
comparison. But of course, that means that Bay Area cyclists regularly need
low gears (24x36 back in the pre-1x drivetrain days, 40x51 or 38x51
nowadays) that other locations do not require. Some people find that to be
a bug and not a feature.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:17 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Well, LONELY PLANET disagrees, with this to say:
>
> https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/best-places-for-a-cycling-holiday
>
> I've lived both places as cyclist, and confirm LP. Athens, with its
> year-round warm sunny days, an endless matrix of beautiful quiet country
> lanes (i.e. no traffic), delightful hills (mountains neaby), pine forests,
> no traffic is a cycling wonderland like no other. Not comparable. Add the
> music, UGA for culture, enviable culinary arts, ticks all the boxes.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146626768@N06/albums/72157709138882807
>
> Jock Dewey
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:21:17 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's not hype. The Bay Area has the best winter cycling in the world. But
>> you don't have to live here to enjoy it --- come visit for a few days in
>> winter with your bike. It's not a coincidence that the spate of outdoor
>> companies in the 1980s (Patagonia, Power Bar, Clif Bar, Specialized,
>> Ritchey, North Face, in addition to Rivendell) all started here.
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 6:44:30 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I enjoy watching those videos as well! I could never keep up with he or
>>> Ms Cools but those rides look beautiful!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:54:47 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of
> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the
> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted
> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up
> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads
> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to
> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

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I plugged it into the trail calculator with a 42mm tire and it says 58mm
trail. What a coincidence!

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 5:00 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> 650B. It looks huge because it is..this is in a sense a frame built for a
> disability, I have arthritis in my hands and asked for a super-upright
> Bosco Bars bike. He's never mentioned how he got to this design but what I
> see and feel is Grant stretched the front way out there, then added a very
> tall headtube so those bars would go up and shoot back at me. Then he added
> the long stays to take the shock out of bumps, which can be brutal enough
> on my wrists to make me turn around and go home.
>
> I see this frame as the ultimate expression of GP's thoughts about high
> bars and long wheelbase because I my needs basically offered: "More of that
> stuff please." 
>
> Joe "happy rider" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:47:12 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Are those 26" wheels or 650B?
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:36:55 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Oh right, I have numbers for why my Rivendell rides the way it does. I
>>> forgot!
>>>
>>> 71.5 seattube, 69.5 headtube. I wanted a pavement-biased frame for
>>> non-touring-level loads and this is how it turned out. [image:
>>> Screenshot_20221117_163140.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:02:08 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Joe

 What is the Seat Tube Angle of your custom??

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:41:41 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted
> to post here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these frames
> is slightly under discussed..like we all know it and love it, then talk
> about other stuff like paint and parts. My comments are specifically about
> my custom but I've owned a bunch of Rivs and they all ride like this (Clem
> maybe not so light-feeling, but still zippy). Add your thoughts about your
> bikes! :
>
> The handling is amazing. It feels light and zippy, yet absorbs shock
> (there's a lot of shock on these roads) and is very stable. When you put 
> it
> in a turn it goes where you point it and holds the line until you change
> it. It does this when getting bumped offline, too..the darn thing pops
> right back to where it was going! I've ridden a bazillion bikes and 
> nothing
> rides like a Rivendell 
>
> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

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That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the bottom
of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:

> RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and
> it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What a beautiful way to express it.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit of
>>> this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native
>>> Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even better
>>> in the original language.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>
 I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the
 desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for
 special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little
 self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's
 meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was repeated
 many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,
 knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road grime.
 This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured out
 to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are
 essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty or
 not.

 Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out how
 easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a summer
 camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy camp-host
 with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my
 OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I went
 next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind clerk
 brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut
 still, I lock it up with my new lock and smile broadly when I come out of
 the grocery store, see that beautiful design and relish the honesty of
 humanity.

 Joyce
 On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of what
> I own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use
> something, even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something 
> because
> it was “too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing
> the joy on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am
> more concerned with is theft and road salt.
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish
>> around here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees with
>> 80kmh winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can be
>> in these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, 
>> where
>> it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in Calgary
>> (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to 
>> winter
>> commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there are
>> some real maniacs, I think.
>>
>> To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but
>> the basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't full.
>> Often just a big U-lock in the saddle bag and my messenger in the basket.
>> Today, not joking, I lost traction and did a
>> slow-motion-almost-360-degree-pirouette/donut on a parking lot ice sheet
>> and stayed upright, so handling is fine!
>>
>> Anyways, blah blah blah, I'm glad to be riding the Joe when I
>> wouldn't have before.
>>
>> Mack
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely
>>> ridden"
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most
 notable to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell
 section. In sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people 
 riding
 beater bikes instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks 
 -
 because those tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their
 Rivendell, it will not realize its potential, sit 

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

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I've lost more cameras than I can count to theft, damage, drops, etc. But
to me, that's the price of getting good photos. A camera sitting in a
closet won't get good photos, and a bike in a secured garage not getting
ridden won't leave you with good memories. (Worse, when that bike gets
stolen the thief managed to get a bike with very little mileage on it!) I
think there's no way around it. Again, my back up plan is to have a very
firm idea of what geometry the bike has (down to the diagrams when
possible), and then in a pinch I can have a custom builder replicate it. My
recent experience this year of cracking a frame (the frame builder jumped
me to the top of the queue since it was a warranty replacement) was what
made me realized that having a second nice road bike isn't an extravagance.
So that's another viable alternative.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:55 PM Scott Calhoun  wrote:

> Great topic with interesting responses. Like Leah, I'm both guilty and
> innocent. I ride my bikes a lot, but I'm also guilty of planning so I don't
> have to lock up fancy bikes for significant periods of time. My most used
> and useful bike, my MAP randonneur, was also my most expensive. I keep a
> couple of u-locks at bike racks at stores and cafes I frequent. I also have
> been riding a 1994 Bridgestone RB-1 that I love, and maybe it is not on the
> radar for thieves as much, but I'd still hate to lose it.
>
> Which brings me to my biggest bike anxiety: my favorite riding bikes are
> simply not replaceable (or at least not easily so). Mitch Pryor of MAP has
> left the bike biz, and finding another nice '94 62cm RB-1 could take
> forever. The bike thieves in our town are pretty indiscriminate about what
> they take. Scanning the Tucson Stolen Bikes instagram profile, I see every
> kind of bike: newer and vintage, MTB, and road, utility to fixie.
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:57:17 PM UTC-7 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Theft scares me , too. I have some pretty hardcore locks and don't lock
>> up for hours at a time if I can avoid it.
>>
>> It may be possible to breathe a little easier in places where the bike
>> culture is, let's say, highly modern. This might encompass a lot of places.
>> Even if I struggle to totally believe it, a bike shop owner around here in
>> southern Alberta told me that a decently locked bike without suspension
>> basically isn't going to be stolen. I'm sure that silver or polished (ie
>> "old looking") components make a bike even less interesting to would-be
>> thieves. A basket might make a thief roll their eyes! Swept back bars?
>> Puke! Suspension mountain bikes dominate the scene here, and I'm sure that
>> the rapid takeover of all sorts of e-bikes further concentrates the efforts
>> of real thieves on a particular part of the spectrum.
>>
>> Something Riv-ish and well-locked so as not to entice an opportunist is
>> probably pretty safe in my neck of the woods, at least, even if I still
>> worry.
>>
>> Mack
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:34:52 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> after riding a lot of bikes in a lot of terrible conditions i've come to
>>> find for the most part a semi well maintained bike is pretty robust and not
>>> so worried anymore.
>>>
>>> the two things that DO worry me is
>>>
>>> 1. bike theft. Having a bike you can lock up. Ideally the workplace has
>>> secure bike parking and if I park for less than a few hours neighborhood
>>> pending. I no longer bar hop and in general pretty careful about where to
>>> park for short periods. Knock on wood aside from a few stolen bits and bobs
>>> off my bikes never had any real major theft.
>>>
>>> 2. SALT. Previously living in Alberta, they put some sort of demonic
>>> liquid ice melt on the paths. I used the 45north Kavas on my winter bike
>>> and they were great in all conditions and especially on ice and hardpack
>>> snow. The ice melt would melt through snow and ice making some sort of
>>> corrosive slurry that felt like riding on wet sand at a beach. The ice
>>> slurry ate through an imperfect powder-coat on my SSFGmtb "winter bike". By
>>> spring it was bubbling and flaking terribly and lead to a lot of rust that
>>> I have yet to deal with since moving other than a good scrub and light
>>> oiling. It's fine as "beausage" on my Marino winter bike - but would have
>>> been pretty choked if it were a Riv or Crust 4x the cost and meant as a
>>> "lifer".  If they just left the packed snow it'd been fine and i'd ride any
>>> bike in the snow with studded tires.
>>>
>>> I feel quite guilty if i'm not using most of my bikes regularly.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:23:49 AM UTC-8 penne...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Jim. I’m running studs in the front (Schwalbe Marathon 29x2.0),
 but not in the back. On days like today, studs on both ends would be
 better, but where I live we are prone to warm (and fierce) chinook winds,
 which means that the roads will be clearish for a big 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

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I once called up Bruce Gordon asking him if he would sell/recommend a child
seat for his racks. He gave me a earful! A short summary is that "you
wouldn't carry a sack of potatoes that way, so don't carry your kid that
way. Get a trailer!"

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 5:50 PM  wrote:

> Good point, Michael!
>
> My kids ride on the Mac ride up front which helps with that. I insert or
> remove them while straddling the top tube. That would be hard to do with a
> rear seat.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso
>
> On Nov 7, 2022, at 18:46, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
>
> leaning is all fine and good until you throw a kid on the back of your
> bike. my 32 pounder goes on while my pletscher double is out. sam hillborne.
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:49:22 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Interesting discussions about benefits of and problems with kickstands.
>>
>> Richard, I'm totally with you about how useful the double is.
>>
>> For fun I looked back on Riv's website about 10 years ago (specifically
>> Oct 2011) to see what they had written about kickstands in general and the
>> double Pletschers in particular:
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> *KICKSTANDS*
>>
>>- Every bike that isn’t strictly a race bike will benefit from a
>>kickstand, but kickstands turn off people by the tens of thousands. Why?
>>Because of old associations with cheap bikes? That may be it. It must be
>>it. But they’re no less functional on an expensive bike, and the expensive
>>bike is the one you’d most like to not fall over, isn’t it? The one you’d
>>least like to see topple?
>>- Clamp on kickstands can smash and wreck thin chainstays…so if you
>>have a history of stripping the threads on screws and peanut butter jar
>>lids, stay away. Wrap the stays with bar-tape. Clamp securely but not
>>oversecurely. Or better yet, get one of the Pletscher clamp-cushions we
>>offer.
>>- Few expensive bikes have brazed-on kickstand plates, but most of
>>ours (not the Roadeo) do. That makes kickstands easy and avoids clamping
>>damage. But it is possible to rip the weld apart if you, like, sit on the
>>bike and fall over on the kickstand side. It has happened. No need. Be
>>careful, and enjoy your kickstand.
>>- We sell the Swiss-made Pletscher model, not the almost as good
>>Greenfield. The story we heard is that Pletscher developed the inner 
>> spring
>>mechanism, and Greenfield has adopted it (in a business agreement). Either
>>way, they’re both good.
>>
>> *PLETSCHER TWIN-LEGGER*
>>
>>- Single-leggers are fine & the way to go for daily use.
>>- But if the lean angle exceeds such and such and the weight is more
>>than so and so, a single-legged kickstand will be overwhelmed.
>>- This Pletscher Two-Legger thrives in  those conditions.
>>- We wouldn't offer it if it weren't spectacular. Here's how it is:
>>- -- It works great.
>>   - -- It's clever.
>>   - -- It's Swiss.
>>   - -- It has heritage without being trendy and coveteous.
>>   - -- It's affordable, although just barely.
>>   - -- You can't buy it at the Five-and-Dime.
>>- It weighs about 1.6 pounds.
>>- As is the case with the single-letter kickstand, you have to cut it
>>to size.
>>- Here's what you do: []
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:35 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Right on, Richard.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:20 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my
 Clem last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else
 was looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their
 bikes were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L,
 with no top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”.
 The stand has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old
 slow guy:)

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke  wrote:

 If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.


 On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands
>> cause more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>>
>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I
>> even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the
>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how
>> people use theirs, but there is a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

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While getting a new Rivendell bicycle is a long wait, the demand for
bicycles has dropped a ton since the pandemic. The worst case scenario is
that you take the geometry (save a copy of the geometry chart) and get a
custom builder to build you one. It won't have the fancy lugs, decals or
headset, but it will ride pretty much the same. One of my friends tried a
Rivendell Roadeo at the Walnut Creek shop and got out his checkbook to buy
it, but since it was their last demo frame they wouldn't sell it to him. So
he called up Lynskey and got them to build him a custom ti frame with the
Roadeo geometry. The irony of ironies was that the day after he got the ti
bike built up Rivendell sent around an e-mail saying they'd decided to sell
that demo frame! But he's been very happy with that ti frame since.

To be honest I've never managed to ride a steel frame until it breaks. I
did have a car hit me and destroy my bridgestone RB-1, but that's a
different story. I've broken rack dropouts and ripped front derailleurs off
by shifting at the wrong time. I've even torn teeth off aluminum chainrings
and sheared off bolts on a crank by mis-timing a shift, but steel frames
well built survive a good long time. You'd have to ride as long and as hard
as the infamous Jobst Brandt (and bear in mind he was tall and heavy!) to
crack a steel frame. Even then he could find a framebuilder who would just
add gussetts to the frame, repair it and keep riding.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 4:51 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Thank you for your kind words, Jim. I’m glad you enjoy my silly posts
> because I enjoy writing them. 
>
> I am enjoying everyone’s responses and have had a lot to think about after
> reading them. It’s so true that one cannot just replace a Rivendell. The
> availability is one factor, the discontinuation of models and changes to
> existing models is another. The presale for the Platypus was April 2021,
> and only now, November 2022, has another shipment arrived. So, yes, not a
> quick replacement if the bike is wrecked or stolen.
>
> So, there are the above factors. And then there is choosing not to be
> precious about bikes. SO….what is everyone’s opinion of having a spare in a
> box?
>
> I told Pam Murray that she might be the first Rivendell customer in
> history to wear her bike into steel powder. And what would she do without
> her tiny 47 cm Betty? There was a Betty frame at a dealer that I thought
> she should purchase and keep in case her bike is damaged or stolen. I guess
> that is kind of my plan with my two Platys, too. If the raspberry goes
> missing, I’ll have the mermaid painted raspberry. I even have the color
> tube so the painter gets it right! And where did I get this idea? From my
> recurring nightmare. I used to have differing variations of the same dream.
> I used to have a One and Only, a Betty Foy, that I would dream would be
> stolen. I would look for it relentlessly and always, always, I would find a
> spare Betty frame in a box in the garage and all would be well. Same
> ending, every time. But this seems rather wasteful, doesn’t it? Just
> keeping a Rivendell in a box just in case? People will have opinions. I am
> interested to hear them.
>
> Lastly, I agree with Eric that there is beauty in a bike with miles on it.
> I want to keep mine nice, but I appreciate beausage. I am of two minds.
> Leah
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 10:37 PM, J J  wrote:
>
> Thanks for starting this thread, Leah. I enjoy your writing… as I enjoy
> Grant’s. He’s very funny even when discussing serious things. At least I
> see some humor there, whether he intends it or not.
>
> Anyway, my daily ride is a Hunqapillar that I bought new about 11 years
> ago. I was precious about it for a hot minute, but a) I realized pretty
> quickly that it was futile and thus stressful to try to avoid dings and
> scratches; b) I reminded myself that a primary reason I got the Hunq was
> that I wanted a fun do-everything bike, an “all rounder plus”, the plus
> being that it is robust enough to carry me and any size load I wanted to
> haul, for as long as I want to haul it.
>
> So I use it in that way. I will take it grocery or farmers market
> shopping. I run errands with it. I use three or four locks. I used to
> occasionally commute to work on it (before my office went to mostly
> full-time remote work post-pandemic), but I realized that I do not enjoy
> *commuting* by bike. I live in a busy area in DC and the morning and
> afternoon rush hour commuting *energy* — definitely from cars, but also
> other bikers,  including the rushing, the noises, the risk taking, the
> aggressiveness — was turning one of my very favorite activities, riding a
> bike, into another source of stress. It was as if commuting by bike was
> starting to sully my relationship to my bike and to biking. And I did not
> want that.
>
> This sort of goes against Grant’s notion, or at least hope, that biking
> will be a huge part of people’s everyday lives. As far as a commute 

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

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No damage to the frame? Or did you have to get it repaired?

On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 6:08 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> I don’t have a picture, just imagine the weld giving way and the plate
> separating from the seat stays. I was using a double-legged kickstand at
> the time and carrying a fair amount of cargo (see attached), and evidently
> the seesawing action was enough to pry things loose. It bummed me out for
> maybe half a day, but it’s been fine ever since, now I just use the
> kickstand plate as a fender attachment point.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> [image: IMG_0750]
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:54 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>
> 
> What does a peeling mounting plate look like? Anyone have pictures? Not
> that I have kickstands on any of my bikes --- the one on the triplet got
> taken off ages ago... Just curious.
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> When I was talking to Will about getting a double legged kickstand he
>> warned me about the “peeling” mounting plate on the Clems. But, he thought
>> I would be ok they had beefed them up. So far so good.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> My Hunq is a daily driver and has the dings and scratches to show for
>> it. Probably the worst one is that the kickstand plate is pried partially
>> loose — no big deal, I just took the kickstand off and used the mounting
>> hardware to snug things back up. Worst case scenario for me is that someday
>> I treat myself to a new paint job and maybe some frame modifications to go
>> along with it.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:28 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't read Grant's Blahg on this matter (the ancient OS on my
>> computer is so out of date that I can't load certain websites), but what he
>> has to say does not surprise me.  He's always been all about what he calls
>> "beausage," a term he coined to mean "beauty through usage," or IOW don't
>> sweat all of the nicks and scratches, "just ride" your bike and be happy.
>> The good news though is that there is a happy middle ground between the
>> complete over-the-top utility use of a bike (like Pam's), ignoring any wear
>> and tear versus a finicky protectiveness, hovering over the bike at all
>> times and worrying about theft, damage, etc.  And in my way of thinking
>> that means "just ride" it for all it's worth, but don't just throw it in
>> the corner until the next ride, but take good care of it.  Another way of
>> saying that might be, "... take good care of it and it will take good care
>> of you."
>> This is no different than what one might do having just bought a nice new
>> automobile and drives it everywhere, but also maintains it, washes and
>> waxes it regularly, and is careful where they park it.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:14:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I love this topic! I had my custom designed to answer the question,
>>> "What if I had all the qualities I love about Rivendells in a frame made
>>> exactly for my size, weight and riding preferences?", and at first I was
>>> super precious about it. Later I realized the whole point was to have a
>>> perfect bike I could ride every day for everything and that's what I'm
>>> doing.
>>>
>>> Of course I'm still absurdly touchy about scratching all that beautiful
>>> Joe Bell paint but I don't let it stop me, I lock it up at Walmart, I fill
>>> the bags with laundry and go to the laundromat. Because I want my bike to
>>> do all the things bikes do!
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable
 to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In
 sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
 instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
 tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
 not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
 who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
 the bike for?

 I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1
 favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I
 bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do
 guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping
 and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and
 then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike
 Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy
 damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta
 said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will
 

Re: [RBW] Re: Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

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What does a peeling mounting plate look like? Anyone have pictures? Not
that I have kickstands on any of my bikes --- the one on the triplet got
taken off ages ago... Just curious.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> When I was talking to Will about getting a double legged kickstand he
> warned me about the “peeling” mounting plate on the Clems. But, he thought
> I would be ok they had beefed them up. So far so good.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> 
> My Hunq is a daily driver and has the dings and scratches to show for it.
> Probably the worst one is that the kickstand plate is pried partially loose
> — no big deal, I just took the kickstand off and used the mounting hardware
> to snug things back up. Worst case scenario for me is that someday I treat
> myself to a new paint job and maybe some frame modifications to go along
> with it.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:28 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> I haven't read Grant's Blahg on this matter (the ancient OS on my
> computer is so out of date that I can't load certain websites), but what he
> has to say does not surprise me.  He's always been all about what he calls
> "beausage," a term he coined to mean "beauty through usage," or IOW don't
> sweat all of the nicks and scratches, "just ride" your bike and be happy.
> The good news though is that there is a happy middle ground between the
> complete over-the-top utility use of a bike (like Pam's), ignoring any wear
> and tear versus a finicky protectiveness, hovering over the bike at all
> times and worrying about theft, damage, etc.  And in my way of thinking
> that means "just ride" it for all it's worth, but don't just throw it in
> the corner until the next ride, but take good care of it.  Another way of
> saying that might be, "... take good care of it and it will take good care
> of you."
> This is no different than what one might do having just bought a nice new
> automobile and drives it everywhere, but also maintains it, washes and
> waxes it regularly, and is careful where they park it.
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:14:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I love this topic! I had my custom designed to answer the question, "What
>> if I had all the qualities I love about Rivendells in a frame made exactly
>> for my size, weight and riding preferences?", and at first I was super
>> precious about it. Later I realized the whole point was to have a perfect
>> bike I could ride every day for everything and that's what I'm doing.
>>
>> Of course I'm still absurdly touchy about scratching all that beautiful
>> Joe Bell paint but I don't let it stop me, I lock it up at Walmart, I fill
>> the bags with laundry and go to the laundromat. Because I want my bike to
>> do all the things bikes do!
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable
>>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In
>>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
>>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
>>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
>>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
>>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
>>> the bike for?
>>>
>>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1
>>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I
>>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do
>>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping
>>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and
>>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike
>>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy
>>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta
>>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will
>>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did.
>>>
>>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her
>>> bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of
>>> rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and
>>> the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about
>>> it. She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it
>>> was still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly).
>>> But she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes
>>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to
>>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

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Their latest newsletter notes that they open up the box to put in more
packing materials (and possibly the seatpost) before repacking it and
shipping it. Most bike shops should have a frame alignment table, though
around here the shops are pretty impacted as well so it might take a while.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 8:14 AM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Joe:
>
> I talked to Riv earlier this week about purchasing an Atlantis and posed a
> few questions about F/F prep. I'm not here to make a blanket statement
> about how all F/F are handled before they depart Riv, but I was told they
> receive the Atlantis F/F with headset already installed and that a F/F I
> purchase would not have the hanger checked/aligned before sent to me. My
> "guess" is they may not even unpack the F/F when they receive it. There
> wouldn't be any reason for them to open it up, if nothing is to be done on
> F/F. Maybe they are so busy it's easier to just place a new shipping label
> on the box and out it goes. I live in rural Montana and am a little bummed
> I have to travel a good distance just to ensure hanger is properly aligned
> after spending $1750 on a new baby. And I would doubt the threads are
> chased.
>
> Nothing whatsoever against Riv, just an observation. Seems it should be
> part of the frame making process to quickly verify proper hanger position
> somewhere between frame build completion and paint. I'm going to travel and
> pay to have it done, anyways.
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 08:21:39 PM MDT, Joe Bernard <
> joerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they are
> with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I knew I
> still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the threads and
> check the derailer hanger adjustment.
>
> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many
> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up on
> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the Platypus
> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a mixte
> type road bike.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.
> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and house listing were sold
> out in mere hours.
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:34:14 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I think they will sell pretty quick but not as lightning fast as they did
> during the pandemic.
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
> There is still one Rosco Plat in 60cm of each color available, so maybe
> supply and demand are balancing out. At least for the taller folks.
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> I can never tamp down my excitement over the Riv mixtes and have given up
> trying. I’m SO excited that there is a paddle of Platypuses on the water,
> heading to Rivendell as I type this. I remember the excitement of the 2020
> Platypuses (which were delivered in 2021); they were gone in minutes.
> Heartbreak and jubilee ensued and then came the waiting.
>
> But the wait is nearly over because the presale is the 19th. I’m keen to
> know if these will sell out as quickly or if demand and availability will
> have evened out by now.
>
> Who is purchasing a Platypus?
>
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] How to bond plastic knob to metal screw?

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I spoke too soon. Overnight, the loctite cured and now I can turn it (with
a ton of effort, but it works!). Now I can build up my wheel.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:46 AM lconley  wrote:

> Have you lubricated the other items along the threaded rod to reduce the
> amount of torque required to rotated the rod? Boeshield would be good for
> that. Lubricate the shaft (except for the knob/locknut) and the tighten the
> locknut real good against the knob. If that doesn't work, the just keep a
> wrench handy to turn the locknut against the knob when wanting to rotate
> the shaft the opposite way from the knob.
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:54:59 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Already tried red loctite. Doesn't work.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 5:34 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> I'd try something like red Loctite first. Easy to find, easy to apply.
>>>
>>> If that doesn't work you might try looking for a more robust replacement
>>> thread-on knob that has a set screw built in. Find our the pitch of your
>>> metal thread and check out McMaster-Carr for "threaded hole knobs."
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:24:49 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I do have the locknut, but it doesn't help. It keeps the knob from
 turning clockwise once it's snug against it, but counter-clockwise (the
 unscrewing action) doesn't work.

 On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:31 AM Garth  wrote:

> My first question then is "how was the knob attached to begin with
> from the factory ?"
> According to the photos, that style of knob was used on the TS-2, this
> is yours yes ? (Sorry I don't know your name as it was not included)
>
> So, ever inquisitive, whenever it comes to parts, I always refer to
> original parts documents. According the stock photos and parts pdf, *there
> should have been a locknut for the knob to begin with*.
> https://www.parktool.com/assets/doc/product/TS-2_instructions.pdf
>
> You may have a suitable nut on hand as Park likely uses common SAE
> threading. If not you could contact Park and maybe they'll send you one or
> just go to the local hardware store.
>

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:02:48 PM UTC-4 Josiah Anderson
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, rereading I see now that you're actually trying to get the new
>> knob to stay put. What if you used that same locknut idea, just with one
>> nut pushing against the back of the knob? That would probably hold it on
>> quite securely.
>>
>> Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 21:00, Josiah Anderson 
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> The goal is to remove that threaded rod, right? I would try to find
>>> two nuts that fit on there and lock them together, like you would on a 
>>> hub
>>> axle, and just use those to turn it. Alternatively you could wrap it in
>>> something soft (bar tape?) and turn it with vise grips or something. I
>>> don't think the broken plastic knob necessarily has to be involved in 
>>> this
>>> process, unless I'm missing something, which is very possible.
>>>
>>> Josiah
>>> Missoula, MT
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 20:53, Piaw Na  a écrit :
>>>
 I broke the plastic knob on my truing stand (see attached photo). I
 have a replacement knob from Park, but am discovering that just 
 threading
 it on doesn't work --- when I need to turn the shaft counter-clockwise 
 it
 comes off the shaft instead of turning it. I've already tried red and 
 blue
 loctite and those don't work on metal/plastic interfaces. Should I try
 epoxy next?

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Re: [RBW] How to bond plastic knob to metal screw?

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Already tried red loctite. Doesn't work.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 5:34 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I'd try something like red Loctite first. Easy to find, easy to apply.
>
> If that doesn't work you might try looking for a more robust replacement
> thread-on knob that has a set screw built in. Find our the pitch of your
> metal thread and check out McMaster-Carr for "threaded hole knobs."
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:24:49 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I do have the locknut, but it doesn't help. It keeps the knob from
>> turning clockwise once it's snug against it, but counter-clockwise (the
>> unscrewing action) doesn't work.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:31 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> My first question then is "how was the knob attached to begin with from
>>> the factory ?"
>>> According to the photos, that style of knob was used on the TS-2, this
>>> is yours yes ? (Sorry I don't know your name as it was not included)
>>>
>>> So, ever inquisitive, whenever it comes to parts, I always refer to
>>> original parts documents. According the stock photos and parts pdf, *there
>>> should have been a locknut for the knob to begin with*.
>>> https://www.parktool.com/assets/doc/product/TS-2_instructions.pdf
>>>
>>> You may have a suitable nut on hand as Park likely uses common SAE
>>> threading. If not you could contact Park and maybe they'll send you one or
>>> just go to the local hardware store.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:02:48 PM UTC-4 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>>
 Oh, rereading I see now that you're actually trying to get the new knob
 to stay put. What if you used that same locknut idea, just with one nut
 pushing against the back of the knob? That would probably hold it on quite
 securely.

 Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 21:00, Josiah Anderson  a
 écrit :

> The goal is to remove that threaded rod, right? I would try to find
> two nuts that fit on there and lock them together, like you would on a hub
> axle, and just use those to turn it. Alternatively you could wrap it in
> something soft (bar tape?) and turn it with vise grips or something. I
> don't think the broken plastic knob necessarily has to be involved in this
> process, unless I'm missing something, which is very possible.
>
> Josiah
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 20:53, Piaw Na  a écrit :
>
>> I broke the plastic knob on my truing stand (see attached photo). I
>> have a replacement knob from Park, but am discovering that just threading
>> it on doesn't work --- when I need to turn the shaft counter-clockwise it
>> comes off the shaft instead of turning it. I've already tried red and 
>> blue
>> loctite and those don't work on metal/plastic interfaces. Should I try
>> epoxy next?
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Re: [RBW] How to bond plastic knob to metal screw?

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I do have the locknut, but it doesn't help. It keeps the knob from turning
clockwise once it's snug against it, but counter-clockwise (the unscrewing
action) doesn't work.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 1:31 AM Garth  wrote:

> My first question then is "how was the knob attached to begin with from
> the factory ?"
> According to the photos, that style of knob was used on the TS-2, this is
> yours yes ? (Sorry I don't know your name as it was not included)
>
> So, ever inquisitive, whenever it comes to parts, I always refer to
> original parts documents. According the stock photos and parts pdf, *there
> should have been a locknut for the knob to begin with*.
> https://www.parktool.com/assets/doc/product/TS-2_instructions.pdf
>
> You may have a suitable nut on hand as Park likely uses common SAE
> threading. If not you could contact Park and maybe they'll send you one or
> just go to the local hardware store.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 11:02:48 PM UTC-4 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> Oh, rereading I see now that you're actually trying to get the new knob
>> to stay put. What if you used that same locknut idea, just with one nut
>> pushing against the back of the knob? That would probably hold it on quite
>> securely.
>>
>> Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 21:00, Josiah Anderson  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> The goal is to remove that threaded rod, right? I would try to find two
>>> nuts that fit on there and lock them together, like you would on a hub
>>> axle, and just use those to turn it. Alternatively you could wrap it in
>>> something soft (bar tape?) and turn it with vise grips or something. I
>>> don't think the broken plastic knob necessarily has to be involved in this
>>> process, unless I'm missing something, which is very possible.
>>>
>>> Josiah
>>> Missoula, MT
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 13 oct. 2022 à 20:53, Piaw Na  a écrit :
>>>
 I broke the plastic knob on my truing stand (see attached photo). I
 have a replacement knob from Park, but am discovering that just threading
 it on doesn't work --- when I need to turn the shaft counter-clockwise it
 comes off the shaft instead of turning it. I've already tried red and blue
 loctite and those don't work on metal/plastic interfaces. Should I try
 epoxy next?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Homers and road touring

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Not to mention since when you bought the Homer the chainstays have gotten
longer. Also, a lot depends on your pedaling style. If you mash the pedals
you put a lot more strain on the bike than if you sit and spin.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 8:04 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> I have a Waterford Homer, 54 cm, and I weigh 150 lbs.  I put about 30 lbs
> of groceries in panniers in the back and the bike felt great, and if I knew
> what "planing" was, then I would say the bike was planing because it felt
> springy when I was out of the saddle.  If I were 180 lbs and 30 lbs in the
> back, then maybe it would get noodlely?
>
> Why not just load up the bike and see how it feels.  For me, I'm sure it
> would work great...
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 3:25 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> I had a MUSA Homer years ago, 2005-ish or so. With a Nitto rear rack, my
>> return trip from TJs with both panniers loaded displayed whippy behavior.
>> OK for the short rides from the grocery store or TJs, but I would not like
>> handling even for a S24H. Frame was 61 cm for your consideration.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:18:59 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Except that the OP is specifically asking about his Homer. Not to nit
>>> pick ...
>>>
>>> Ryan (retired software developer/current linguistics student...so you
>>> know where I'm coming from)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:27:21 AM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>>
 I would not hesitate to tour on the Sam, although I suppose it depends
 on what you're carrying and how long you're going for.  I've toured on a
 Rambouillet and a Road Standard with a full set of panniers on weeklong
 trips, and it was fine.  You say "road touring," so I assume you're not
 planning on carrying a week's worth of food, etc. With a reasonable load,
 the Sam should be fine - try it and report back!

 On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:22:03 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:

> The AHH uses Oversized (OS) tubing (1-1/8" TT & 1-1/4" DT), which is
> more rigid than Standard (Std) tubing (1" TT & 1-1/8" DT) which most of 
> the
> frames discussed are.  The extra 1/8" increased diameter results in a OS
> tube having about the same rigidity as a Std tube which is thicker by
> 0.2mm.
>
> It seems the AHH uses OS tubes with butting of 0.8mm x 0.5mm x 0.8mm,
> which is fairly thin tubing.   Grant never stated what tubing thickness he
> uses.  This would be have the same rigidity as s Std tube of 1.0mm x 0.7mm
> x 1.0mm.IF the AHH tubing is thicker than what I stated, THEN it the
> equivalent rigid Std tube would be thicker
>
>   My 1988 Schwinn Voyaguer (a full touring frame) uses Std Columbus
> Tenax tubing which by everything I can find has a 1" TT of 0.9mm x 0.7mm x
> 0.9mm and a 1-1/8" DT of 1.0mm x 0.7mm x 1.0mm.   So a AHH has tubing 
> which
> is as rigid as the 88 Voyageur which was sold as full touring bike.  If 
> the
> AHH tube is thicker than 8-5-8, then it is even more rigid than the 88
> Voyaguer.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:12:05 PM UTC-4 Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
>> I have a question or the group.  I ride a Homer and considering using
>> it for road touring.  Since its not by definition a touring Rivendell, is
>> loaded touring pushing the envelope for this bike?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Lyman ATX
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

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Oh yeah. I've never enjoyed either having fenders on the bike or installing
them. One year while touring in Europe, I hit a bout of rain and went into
a bike shop that sold these amazing clip-ons. They were so easy to install
and remove and unlike traditional full fenders never make the
scritch-scritch sound when riding off pavement when rocks get thrown onto
them. Since then I've switched to using those. Later on, I found SKS
clip-ons that work almost as well. I see that Rivendell has found similar
fenders and will be selling them soon.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 9:57 PM J J  wrote:

> Piaw, the installation in question was the fenders, not the Racer brakes,
> which are not too arduous to install. The damaged brake was a casualty of
> the mechanic ostensibly fixing a poor fender installation. And yes,
> installing fenders had seemed challenging and overly time consuming for me
> — that’s why I paid someone to do it on the Wilbury.
>
> But since that ordeal, I forced myself to actually install a new set of
> fenders on my Hunq to accommodate fatter tires. I’m happy to say that I now
> feel totally comfortable doing it (though they are still fussy and a pain
> to install, however easy Mark makes it look in the video. I must have
> watched it 10 times!).
>
> Ryan, I have to give credit where it is due, and the shop owner, who works
> in a different city, was apologetic when he learned about what happened. He
> reached out to me and genuinely wanted to make things right. He committed
> to replacing the brakes. The challenge is actually *finding* new Racers,
> and so far none have appeared. (If anyone reading this has polished Racers
> they want to part with, please let me know!)
>
> I told the owner that the mechanic seemed so enthusiastic about working on
> a Rivendell. The owner said, “and therein lies the problem. Sure, everyone
> will be bright eyed and bushy tailed about working on such a bike, but that
> does not mean they are qualified to do everything and anything on them.” I
> appreciated his forthrightness, but it raised the question of why the shop
> would assign the work to someone who wasn’t necessarily qualified to do it
> right.
>
> Corwin, thanks so much for your note. Your characterization of Mark’s work
> as high art is absolutely apropos. He’s also incredibly accessible and
> generous with his time, help, and advice (as is everyone I have ever
> interacted with at Rivendell).
>
> Best wishes all.
>
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:58:36 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Here, here JJ! I agree completely. Having Mark do the build and set up my
>> bikes is one of the main reasons I buy bikes from Rivendell. Mark raises
>> wrenching on bikes to a very high form of art.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:15:28 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Believe me...I was not best pleased, you may be sure
>>>
>>> BTW, J J, I hope that you presented that bike shop with a bill for that
>>> rear brake you went to so much effort to find and they reimbursed you
>>> without demur. Those Paul Racers are not cheap. I see on my 2016 invoice
>>> for my mixte custom...assembled by Mark Abele (go with the best ) the
>>> Racers were 288.00. Mark's labor was 220.00 + 50.00 for fender installation
>>> , and in my opinion, worth every penny. I am more than happy to pay  top
>>> dollar for first-class work. On the other hand , the vanishing skewer
>>> probably speaks to not properly overseeing a junior mechanic's work , if
>>> I'm being charitable. I do know the shop's owner and he's a good guy who
>>> does a lot for cycling in the city, and I am reasonably sure that if I had
>>> been able to source a new rear skewer and showed him a receipt, he would
>>> have probably given me credit or cash, which would have been fine. Anyone
>>> can make a mistake; it's what the maker of the mistake does to remedy it
>>> that's important
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:54:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 That sucks about the 501 skewers, Ryan. Awful.

 A local shop once serviced a bike (and did a “safety check”) and when I
 picked it up I noticed that the quick release skewer springs and adjusting
 nut were missing from the front wheel. They just pushed the skewer through
 the axle without clamping it down.

 On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>
> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a
> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I
> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing.
> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it.
> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to
> find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy
> skewer.
>
> No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do 

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

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Are the Paul's brakes particularly hard to install yourself? One reason why
I'm such an adamant adherent of the sidepull caliper is that it's
impossible to install wrong. I sold my Heron touring bike with Paul's Neo
Retros cantilever brakes in 2007 to a colleague of mine. She got another
friend to help build the bike up. He started the evening saying to her,
"Piaw has an irrational dislike of cantilever brakes." 4 hours later, he
was swearing at them and saying, "Ok, maybe not so irrational..."

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:21 PM Ryan  wrote:

> Yikes! I would be PISSED! That's inexcusable.
>
> A few years ago I took in a set of wheels with Mavic 501 hubs with a
> couple of other pairs of wheels  for some truing to a local BS and when I
> picked them up, the rear wheel  Mavic QR skewer was inexplicably missing.
> Just...gone. Phoned said bike shop, and no... they couldn't find it.
> Offered a replacement skewer, and BTW , 501 skewers are not easy to
> find...although I have not checked recently, so I just used an old Campy
> skewer.
>
> No, I'm not cool with having that bike shop do more work for me
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> We lost it, Joe. In the immediate aftermath, a quiet hush descended over
>> the entire shop because everyone was shocked by what happened. And then it
>> was like, wtf?!?
>>
>> The shop's first response was an unsatisfying and defensive, "it was an
>> honest mistake," and they would have been content to settle it with a mere
>> apology. After a lot of negotiation, the shop agreed to reimburse for labor
>> and to replace the brakes — but good luck finding polished (or any other
>> finish) NOS Racers. It's been three months since it happened and I've heard
>> nothing but crickets. So I was super pleased with Eric's message about Paul
>> Component resuming Racer production.
>>
>> It had taken me nine months to find the brakes — scouring the interwebs,
>> cold calling dozens of bike shops all over the country, putting out WTB
>> posts. Finally a set appeared in an eBay auction listing. I preempted the
>> auction by offering the seller a (very) pretty penny for them. I wanted
>> those brakes.
>>
>> Now... I have not lost perspective. This ordeal was upsetting, but it was
>> not an issue of grave existential importance. Still, these things matter to
>> bike nerds and to nerds in the making.
>>
>> Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I'll reiterate that if
>> I had the option, I would gladly and enthusiastically pay Rivendell to do
>> any frame prep, builds, etc. over any of my local bike shops, even if it
>> meant waiting a while.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 2:26:36 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed. That's really appalling. I'm so glad my LBS is competent like
>>> that and would tell me if they can't actually do the work. T
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:05:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 That's appalling, I would have LOST it if someone did this to my (very
 expensive) Paul brakes. They owe you a new Racer.

 On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Sorry, just noticed your note on this week-old thread, Piaw. Yes, I
> totally agree that anyone can make mistakes. I also think there is a big
> difference between a genuinely innocent mistake and negligence,
> recklessness, or incompetence. (Ignoring specific instructions that were 
> in
> earshot of the entire shop is an unfortunate instance of negligence.)
>
>  Where you draw the line is debatable and depends on circumstances.
> For me the big gash, scratches, and dings on brand new brakes, as shown in
> the attached pic, unequivocably cross the line. The mechanic attempted to
> bend the fender hanger tab with pliers while pushing off the brake bridge
> and arm, using them as leverage, as the entire shop looked on with shock,
> and despite the fact that he was asked to do it properly. It wouldn't have
> been as big a deal if the Racers were readily available (as they evidently
> will be again in a few months), but this shouldn't have happened
> regardless.
>
> [image: IMG_6141.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:15:28 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone can make mistakes. When we got my wife's Rivendell-assembled
>> Cheviot a few years back, I ended up having to re-tighten the FD, and had
>> to adjust the shifters several times. It's not a big deal. I'd be a lot
>> less forgiving of frame prep failures. I'm a good enough mechanic that I
>> can build wheels myself (and used to teach wheel-building workshops), but
>> my definite preference is for parts and bikes that are "fire and forget".
>> But I'm also blessed to have good mechanics at LBSes for times when I 
>> can't
>> or don't have time to fix something myself. I still try to do work myself

Re: [RBW] Chain Jam

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4500 miles does sound like that's enough to wear out a chain. You must have
gotten lucky if it didn't wear out the sprockets and chainrings if you were
riding a worn out chain for any length of time. A chain that's been
elongated from wear can definitely wrap around the derailleur and get bent
all out of shape. The new Park CC-4 wear indicator is something definitely
worth getting.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 2:19 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I should add:
>
> 1: I don’t know if the front derailleur was loose or misaligned prior to
> the chain snarl. I’m wondering if the chain kink and the buildup of lube
> caused it to bind up. I was pedaling—but not hard—so when the chain hit the
> front derailleur, it knocked the derailleur loose and out of alignment.
> Maybe?
>
> 2: I mistyped the chain mileage—it’s probably closer to 4500 miles. I’ve
> had the bike for two years and I ride nearly every day, usually between 2
> and 10 miles. I’ve also ridden several 30 to 50 mile day trips and one day
> of 100 miles (go me, finally!).
>
> 365 x 2 = 730
> 730 x 6 mile (daily average) = 4380 miles
> 4380 + 500 miles (day trips) = 4880 miles
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Jam

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I don't get it. How could an FD slip "up" the frame? Usually it slips down,
no?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 1:58 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Hey Piaw, joke's on me. Matthew says the chain was stretched AND the
> derailleur was in a bad position! 藍
>
> Joe "hey, don't ask me" Bernard
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 1:51:25 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Chains falling of a chainring is OK. You just stop and put it back on.
>> I've done that many times and it's no big deal. I wouldn't even bother
>> talking about it. A chain getting jammed inside the FD? That is occasion
>> for much cursing.  A chain getting caught in the FD and then jamming in
>> between the chainstay and the wheel or crank? That could be a bike ending
>> problem.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 1:46 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I shall have a cow over the relevancy of the derailleur, it did not
>>> cause the problem, it was the place where the problem ended. The implement
>>> does not exist on my Riv, hence the chain suck would have ended at the
>>> chain eventually dropping out of the suck or - worst case - falling off my
>>> single chainring. Short of saying Matthew shouldn't have triple rings and a
>>> front derailleur - which would be insane, I'm not saying that - I can't see
>>> how the fd was a problem. The chain, it sucked.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 It appears the whole thing was just a "perfect storm" of stuff hitting
 the fan. The chain appears to be wedged in between the FD and the ring, so
 yes. it is surely relevant beyond existing on the frame. The saddle,
 that's merely existing on the frame and having no part in this.

 My best guess is as good/worthless as any other guess ! I've had some
 weird chain stuff happen on my Bombadil also, but never jammed up against
 the FD like that (9-speed cassette and chain w/7-8 speed crank). They don't
 always get along. My chains are all clean and in perfect working order,
 adjusted perfectly, yet still "every once in a while" in shifting 
 W T F  just happened ?

 I do agree though with the gap of the FD being too high, at least in
 this particular case. Having a full FD cage "may" have prevented it from
 getting wedged in like it did or to that extent. I said "may", so don't
 anyone have a cow. .  .  .   moo . ;-)

 We're all just trying to help a guy out of a "jam'.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Jam

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Even on a mountain bike 500 miles would be a short lifespan for a chain.
Last time I heard a "crack" on my  bike it was because my frame cracked.
Since you use quick links, the appropriate tool to carry is granite talon
tyre lever chain pliers: https://amzn.to/3xuE7j2. I'd also carry the a set
of allen wrenches to remove the FD. (You may also need a screw driver to
remove the FD cage so you can use the chain pliers).

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 1:49 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your help, everyone. I very much appreciate it. Earlier this
> morning, I took my bike to the shop; here’s what we found and fixed:
>
> 1: The chain was stretched and kinked.
>
> 2: The front derailleur was loose and out of alignment.
>
> 3: The front rings and rear cassette were all in good shape.
>
> The chain was the original when the bike rolled off the Rivendell
> floor, so it’s over six years old and has at least 500 miles on it. I was a
> little surprised at the short lifespan of the chain, but I’m assuming
> that’s normal. We installed a new chain, and realigned, adjusted, and
> tightened the front derailleur.
>
> For the past year, I’ve been hearing a “crack,” when I’m pedaling under
> power, but I haven’t been able to correlate the sound with a specific
> ring or shifting position. I was worried the sound was a broken tooth on
> the rear cassette, but the mechanic believes the sound has been the chain
> skipping or misaligning on the rear cassette.
>
> If I was out on a long ride and this happens again, how would I fix the
> issue, and what tools would I need?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Jam

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Chains falling of a chainring is OK. You just stop and put it back on. I've
done that many times and it's no big deal. I wouldn't even bother talking
about it. A chain getting jammed inside the FD? That is occasion for much
cursing.  A chain getting caught in the FD and then jamming in between the
chainstay and the wheel or crank? That could be a bike ending problem.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 1:46 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I shall have a cow over the relevancy of the derailleur, it did not cause
> the problem, it was the place where the problem ended. The implement does
> not exist on my Riv, hence the chain suck would have ended at the chain
> eventually dropping out of the suck or - worst case - falling off my single
> chainring. Short of saying Matthew shouldn't have triple rings and a front
> derailleur - which would be insane, I'm not saying that - I can't see how
> the fd was a problem. The chain, it sucked.
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> It appears the whole thing was just a "perfect storm" of stuff hitting
>> the fan. The chain appears to be wedged in between the FD and the ring, so
>> yes. it is surely relevant beyond existing on the frame. The saddle,
>> that's merely existing on the frame and having no part in this.
>>
>> My best guess is as good/worthless as any other guess ! I've had some
>> weird chain stuff happen on my Bombadil also, but never jammed up against
>> the FD like that (9-speed cassette and chain w/7-8 speed crank). They don't
>> always get along. My chains are all clean and in perfect working order,
>> adjusted perfectly, yet still "every once in a while" in shifting 
>> W T F  just happened ?
>>
>> I do agree though with the gap of the FD being too high, at least in this
>> particular case. Having a full FD cage "may" have prevented it from getting
>> wedged in like it did or to that extent. I said "may", so don't anyone have
>> a cow. .  .  .   moo . ;-)
>>
>> We're all just trying to help a guy out of a "jam'.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

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It's OK to be concerned with safety in the backcountry. I carry a Garmin
Inreach Mini for those purposes:
https://blog.piaw.net/2021/07/review-garmin-inreach-mini.html

The Garmin blog has a ton of rescues, some of which are interesting
reading. Its cheap insurance.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 1:40 PM Garth  wrote:

> Jay, people go into the backcountry all the time, alone. Is anyone ever
> truly "alone? Even our former friend here Deacon Patrick, he always
> ventures deep off the reservation and always alone. I'm sure you can find
> out how to contact him in Colorado. His last name is Jones.
>
> It's like a photograph, you have what's in the frame, and ALL that's
> around it, above it and below it !   If all you saw was the frame, you'd be
> apt to think that poor little frame and it's contents are all alone, so
> puny. Expand the frame, little by little. keep going . keep going
> ... and soon you realize that the frame, those borders, those that seemed
> to be limits, are but like a metaphor for our own sense of self and World,
> of who we believe ourselves to be in relation to "everything else". Expand
> the borders, better  drop all sense of any border. of isolation and
> separation  and what do I you see ?I see for all in-fin-i-ty !  The
> Infinite  is all of ME as all of ME is The Infinite.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

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On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 8:15 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> To be clear cuz I'm the OP and this is going to reflect on me, I'm not sad
> about anything. My concern is we're going to end up with unprepped frames
> on the used market that unsuspecting buyers won't know need to be prepped.
> It wasn't the main point of my post, which is that there's a new Roadini
> frame out there people can buy.
>
> I'm surprised at the number of people here who can't trust their LBS to
prep a frame. Is it because the modern CF/AL frames don't need prepping? I
certainly don't have a frame alignment table or a derailleur hanger
straightener, much less the tool required to prep a headtube prior to
installing headset and fork. It's been years since I carried a headset
wrench while touring as well. But I recently had trouble with one of my
kids' bikes not indexing correctly no matter what I did. Took it to the LBS
and they diagnosed it as a bent hanger. They fixed it and then decided not
to charge me since their credit card machine was broken.

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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

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Short of taking calipers to the tire I don't know how you would know that's
truly a 44mm tire. I put Michelin Pro Race 4 Endurance 700x28 on my
Velocity Aerohead OC and they measure 27mm. I put Continental GP 5000
700x30 on my Mavic Kysrium and they measure 27mm. Makes me think that the
size markings on the tires are just science fiction. I will note that on my
Roadini the pads are definitely not all the way at the bottom of the slots.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 1:20 PM M Talley  wrote:

> I was wondering about tire clearance and found a Soma Pescadero
>  (longer reach rim
> brake synergy between Riv and Merry Sales) with 44mm wide WTB Byways on
> Velocity A23 rims.  Even this doesn't look like it's maxed out. That's from
> the perspective of the brake arch only.  One has to wonder about getting an
> inflated wheel out  . .  quick vs not-so-quick.
> The Roadinin's brake bridge is moved upward and the fork legs are longer
> but if all the rest is the same as the original designs it seems there are
> limits might be the widths of chain/seat stays and the width of the fork
> crown. Gotta wonder why the mind drifts towards even-wider tires.
>
> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Once these roadini's start getting built, I'd be curious to know what the
>> maximum size tire is with fenders. Seems like a solid rando option!
>> On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:13:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> A very different wheel diameter and of course a different Rivendell
>>> frame, but depending on how precise the positioning of the brake mounting
>>> hole is placed in the crown, you might be able to use a normal reach single
>>> pivot.
>>>
>>> This is a Naches Pass measuring a bit over 41 mm on a 21 mm OW rim under
>>> the -- I forget; SunTour? Dia Compe? -- normal reach single pivot on my
>>> 1999 Joe Starck. Plenty of room, ditto in back.
>>>
>>> BTW, that single pivot with salmon Kool Stops is very strong and
>>> modulates very well.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:09 PM Ryan  wrote:
>>>
 Grand Cru do have a long-reach optionand are excellent paired with
 TRP brake levers in my opinion...have this combo on my Riv Road with Barlow
 Pass 32mm. Although...Velo-Orange brands 47-57mm as long reach and Roadini
 specs specify 63mm of reachtoo bad...so yeah I guess V-brakes or cantis
 would be more useful. Oh well


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Re: [RBW] Re: Do Roadinis ride tall?

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I had a 56cm 1993 RB-1 (which died when a Volvo C70 broadsided me on a
residential street). So ok, my impression that the Roadini is a taller bike
makes sense. When I first talked to Will he thought I would fit a 57cm, but
after I told him my intention to use drop bars he went and remeasured the
bike and decided the 54cm made more sense. I'm glad I didn't go for a 57!
Clearly bike sizes are like shoe sizes --- they seem to change year to year
even from the same designer! I did give Grant a hard time for not making
the Roadini a 80mm BB drop bike like the Hilsen. (The Hilsen wasn't a
consideration --- it used 135mm wheels, which I don't have, and the
chainstays are even longer --- the Roadini's long stays already make
certain sharp steep climbs not as much fun to ride!) My thoughts are that
with the trend to larger/wider tire sizes BB drop should be even lower,
especially for those of us who aren't aggressively pedaling around corners.
But Grant rides fixies and he pedals around corners so I'm going to lose
that argument every time.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 8:59 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The legendary Piaw Na asked for a comparison of the 54cm Roadini with a
> 1993 RB-1.
>
> What size 1993 RB-1 are you comparing?
>
> Back in 1993, I would have chosen a 56cm RB1 for myself, and that would
> have been for a Lemond-ish race fit.  I probably would have run a 120mm
> extension stem, basically slammed.  My Saddle Height is 75.5cm.  I worked
> at a Bridgestone dealer to the end and had my 56cm Bridgestone setup
> dialed.  The 1994 RB2, which had the identical geometry to the RB1, got
> blown out at the end for $250 complete on my employee deal, so I set up one
> of those as my primary road bike for a few years.  It was my first road
> bike with a compact double, which was life changing.
>
> Anyway, now I'm 53, and today I have an RB1.  It's a 1992.  My less
> race-oriented setup  puts me on a 59cm RB1, with a slightly shorter
> extension stem (100mm) and not slammed.  :)
>
> I also used to own a Leo Roadini, and I ran a 57cm.  A 57cm Leo Roadini is
> a MUCH larger bike than a 1992 59cm Bridgestone RB1.  It's got enormous
> stack and moderate reach.  I would call my 57cm Roadini as a hair larger
> than my current largest road bike, which is an Ebisu All Purpose whose seat
> tube measures 60cm c-t-c, 61.5cm c-t-t.   The reach number is about the
> same, but stack on the 57cm Roadini is taller.
>
> I'd guess that a 54cm Leo Roadini would probably have a stack and reach
> pretty similar to a 59cm RB1.  If the RB1 you are comparing was a 59cm,
> then I would not expect the 54cm Roadini to "ride taller".  If your RB1
> is/was smaller than a 59cm, then YES, I think a 54cm Leo Roadini would ride
> taller, because of it's huge stack.  If, for example, your RB1 for
> comparison was a 54.5cm size, then a 54cm Leo Roadini is a much much bigger
> bike than a 54.5cm 1993 RB1.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 7:57:45 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I recently acquired a Roadini, and I've been puzzling over the way it
>> rides. It feels a lot taller than my custom touring bike, which was itself
>> based on a 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 geometry with longer chainstays (43cm) and
>> a 80mm BB drop. The Roadini has a 75mm BB drop, and I've got 28mm tires on
>> the Roadini vs 25mm on my touring bike, so in theory, that's only an 8mm
>> difference in BB height. But when I ride the Roadini it feels a lot taller
>> than that! Strangely enough, that doesn't affect handling on climbs or on
>> gravel, but on descents it makes me slow down quite a bit in comparison
>> with my custom bike. Did anyone experience anything similar?
>>
>> I've attached my frame geometry, and the Roadini 54cm geometry is here:
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416
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