Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Steve.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:05 AM Steve Cole  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Sorry for the delay.  I have both Berthoud's Aspin and Aravis; the only
> difference is the rail material, steel vs titanium.  I also have a Rivet
> Independence.  Important to me is they all have the cutout, which makes a
> huge difference in comfort.  I also like the narrowness as I have pretty
> thick thighs.  As for the Rivet, it is a stiffer saddle than the Berthouds,
> not quite as comfortable.  I wanted to try it and am still deciding whether
> to keep it on the bike it inhabits.  Good Luck,
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as
>> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old
>> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then
>> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles.
>> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the
>> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay
>> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but
>> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather
>> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if
>> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.
>> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart,
>> +20=110mm.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Cole]

Joel,

Sorry for the delay.  I have both Berthoud's Aspin and Aravis; the only 
difference is the rail material, steel vs titanium.  I also have a Rivet 
Independence.  Important to me is they all have the cutout, which makes a 
huge difference in comfort.  I also like the narrowness as I have pretty 
thick thighs.  As for the Rivet, it is a stiffer saddle than the Berthouds, 
not quite as comfortable.  I wanted to try it and am still deciding whether 
to keep it on the bike it inhabits.  Good Luck,

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Flyer Pre-aged for sale

[Steve Butcher]

This saddle has sold.  Thanks for looking.
Steven

On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Hello Forum,
>
> [image: 20200702_104432.jpeg]
>
> [image: 20200702_104413.jpeg]
>  I'm offering for sale this Brooks Flyer Preaged saddle.  Please 
> pardon the dark photos.  I took them out in my garage with dim lighting.  
> The saddle is dark brown with black rails, bag loops, and springs.  The 
> Rivets are steel.  I puchased this saddle a few years ago, mounted it on a 
> bike or two.  It has always been garage kept and never wet or crashed.  I 
> treated the saddle once a year with VO saddle care.  The rails have minor 
> scratches from the seat post clamp.  I have never touched the adjustments 
> on this saddle.  The saddle is showing signs of some break in where my 
> sit bones were positioned.I want $100.00 for the saddle, shipped in 
> CCONUS.  Paypal preferred.  P.S.  I'll throw iin a cover with the saddle.  
> Please message me off list with questions.
>
> Steven Butcher,
> Stockton, Missouri
>

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Re: [RBW] XO-1 or Roadini

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
The Roadini. It is new and better made. X0-1 is more of a collectors item and 
the concept is more valuable than the execution. 

> On Jul 11, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Zack Medow  wrote:
> 
> RBW Owners Bunch I need your help!
> 
> I'm looking to venture into the world of my first Rivendell/Bridgestone. 
> 
> I'm at an impasse right now. I'm thinking of putting in an order for a 
> Roadini and set it up with the new Shikoro 38mm tires Riv is carrying. But 
> there's also a mint condition XO-1 right now on eBay in my size. 
> 
> I'm going to be using this bike for road and city riding, maybe some very 
> light grav grav. I have a Jones for a trail bike, so that's not really a 
> concern. My goal is to find a supple steel bike that fits a wider tire 
> without resorting to a disc break and the stiff fork that comes with it. 
> 
> Which one would you go for?? Is this a silly comparison?? 
> 
> 
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[RBW] WTB: Set of Cantilever brakes (front and back)

[Reid Echols]

Hi Kelsey,

I’ve got a bike’s worth of vintage silver Deore XT cantis, if you’re 
interested! 

Reid in Austin 

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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[Steve Cole]

MIT = Made in Taiwan

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>
> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share it. 
> *What 
> does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>
> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes me 
> happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
> conversation is the result.
>
> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 1x10 
> SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
> super-comfy.
>
> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The 
> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast, 
> like much smaller tires. 
>
> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon request.
>
> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne for 
> a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
> when I do.)
>
> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 
>
> Paul
>
> [image: 1.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Max Diener]

Hi all, posting this again after I realized the new view in Google groups 
was sending my posts into the void. Hopefully switching to old has fixed 
the problem!

I am really interested in buying a Sackville Baggabond (their current 
large) Saddlebag, but also really would like to run it on a bike with no 
rack. I currently have 2 bikes in my quiver--one is a way overloaded, 
over-fendered, over-racked cargo bike. The other is my "poor man's 
Rivendell", a 1986 Schwinn Cimarron that I am running fully stripped 
down--no racks, fenders, etc. It's just a fun cruising bike. 

I was drawn to the Sackville bags both for their aesthetic and because (in 
theory) they will allow me to keep this a rackless bike, which appeals to 
me as the yin to the yang of my overloaded cargo bike. The goal would be 
using the Sackville to commute with on fair weather days (13" MacBook Pro, 
lunch, light change of clothes), as well as any other misc uses it may have 
around town. Also, they look good :)

All of that being said, I have not yet come across anyone running one of 
these large bags without a rack. After speaking to Will at RBW, he told me 
that he would expect the bag to sag after some time, and so to size down, 
as right now I just barely meet the 13" gap between saddle loops and top of 
tires. I'm 6'1", 89cm PBH (somewhat shorter legs for my height), riding a 
22" frame as they call it in their catalog. I've got a decent chunk of 
seatpost showing, but really don't see my saddle moving much higher!

Can anyone give some experience on running these rackless? I'd hoped that 
the hard bottom layer would prevent too much sagging, but maybe that's not 
the case? If I do need some support for the bag, I'd really love to run 
something like a Carradice Bagman support rather than a full blown rack, 
but again haven't come across a Large on one in searching posts. Any 
experience, thoughts, wisdom, stories, jokes...would be welcome. I want to 
make this work!

Last thought--in theory I could go for the HappiSack BUT--they don't have 
Olive in stock, which if I'm going to spend over $200 on a bag, I want it 
to be my preferred color, AND in the past, I have always regretted not 
buying the bigger bag, all else being equal.

Thanks!
Max

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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Ty Graham]

Hi, I bought a Mente from Boulder Bicycle. The transaction was great, the 
saddle not so great. I’ve been a b17 and team pro rider. I was replacing a 
broken b17 Ti. I picked the Mente since it seemed closest in width to the 
b17. I’ve not really been able to get comfortable, though. The shape is 
very different. Thinking I’ll try the arrivis. 

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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[RBW] Clem Smith Jr. Low

[Alex K]

I’m in the same boat.  Waiting on my Clem L which I ordered presale, but not 
directly through RBW, but rather through The Psychic Derailleur in INDIANA.  
I’ll be mounting a Nitto Campee 34F front rack onto my 52 Clem, with a Wald 157 
basket without any of the hardware (making it quite a bit lighter than the 157 
with all the hardware.)  I personally prefer front-loading my bikes, and I’ll 
be able to throw either my Sackville Large ShopSack or my Tunitas 139 basket 
bag in there (Tunitas bags, which I love, tend to fit better in baskets larger 
than the size which the bags are named after.  139 fits PERFECTLY in my Wald 
157.)B67 sounds great, but definitely think black saddles look great with 
that Bronzey Green.  Thinking about going with a black Cambium C17, myself.  
Highly recommend the MKS Allways or Lambda pedals.  Allways pedals grip better 
in the rain, but can be sharp on the calves!  Bosco bars are kinda perfect for 
the Clem, but you might take a look at the Nitto Billie bars or the Bosco 
Bullmoose (only problem with the Bullmoose is lack of adjustability, but damn 
it looks perdy!!) Just some thoughts.  Looking forward to Clem pics

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[RBW] Clem L wait time and a Riv trivia (RIVIA???) question

[Alex K]

Ordered a Clem L on the presale and dang am I itching to ride it.  Anybody have 
ANY info on when when these steeds will be ready to be mounted?  My excitement 
has led me to start wondering about the obscurity level of all the Rivendell 
frames throughout the history of RBW.  How many Clems (L) are out there now?  
How many were made available in this pre-sale?  How many more rounds of Clems 
before they are retired?  Same questions for all the other Riv 
models/iterations out there?  Maybe this topic has been covered before, but new 
to this GGroup and loving all the content

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[RBW] Re: Clem L wait time and a Riv trivia (RIVIA???) question

[Jingy]

This is the answer I got about a week ago regarding Clem delivery:

The Clems will be arriving towards the end of this month and it will take 
about 4-6 weeks to get them processed and shipped out. We'll do our best to 
get them out as quickly as possible.

 

Best,

Vince

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 9:44:53 AM UTC-5, Alex K wrote:
>
> Ordered a Clem L on the presale and dang am I itching to ride it.  Anybody 
> have ANY info on when when these steeds will be ready to be mounted?  My 
> excitement has led me to start wondering about the obscurity level of all 
> the Rivendell frames throughout the history of RBW.  How many Clems (L) 
> are out there now?  How many were made available in this pre-sale?  How 
> many more rounds of Clems before they are retired?  Same questions for all 
> the other Riv models/iterations out there?  Maybe this topic has been 
> covered before, but new to this GGroup and loving all the content

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[RBW] Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Ryan M.]

I think the bosco bars came after the Hunq, so I don’t believe the bike was 
designed for those. 

In the Riv video that Jay Richey made that featured the Hunqapillar he was 
riding it with albatross bars. I think the bike would also do great with a set 
of bullmoose bars.

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Re: [RBW] Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Jay Lonner]

I’ve had Boscos (bullmoose and regular) on my Hunq at various times and they 
were fine - good, even. (The regular Boscos were a bit flexy though.) But both 
varieties resulted in a rising posture that was too upright for me. After some 
trial and error I’ve landed on Jones loop h-bars as my hands-down favorites on 
that bike. Crust sells a quill stem with a removable faceplate that is just 
*chef’s kiss* a perfect match. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:46 AM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>I was looking at my 2013 Hunqapillar's geometry on the Bike Insights 
> website, and it described the stack & reach as more aggressive than most off 
> road touring bikes, and designed for swept back handlebars.
> 
> I don't remember Rivendell specifying the Hunqapillar was designed for swept 
> back bars in it's emails or flyers or website, although I was steered firmly 
> toward Albatross bars when I bought it.
> 
> Does anyone know if indeed the Hunqapillar was designed for Albatross bars or 
> Bosco bars? The Choco & Billie bars weren't around yet back in 2013.
> 
> I looked back through all the old Hunq info I could find, and didn't find 
> anything written that specified a particular bar was best the the Hunqapillar.
> 
> Slightly puzzled,
> 
> John
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[RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[ted]

Are you sure that a Roadini will fit 38mm tires? Would you be getting the 
47cm size that is built for 650b or one of the larger sizes that is 700c?

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:47:40 AM UTC-7, Zack Medow wrote:
>
> RBW Owners Bunch I need your help!
>
> I'm looking to venture into the world of my first Rivendell/Bridgestone. 
>
> I'm at an impasse right now. I'm thinking of putting in an order for a 
> Roadini and set it up with the new Shikoro 38mm tires Riv is carrying. But 
> there's also a mint condition XO-1 right now on eBay in my size. 
>
> I'm going to be using this bike for road and city riding, maybe some very 
> light grav grav. I have a Jones for a trail bike, so that's not really a 
> concern. My goal is to find a supple steel bike that fits a wider tire 
> without resorting to a disc break and the stiff fork that comes with it. 
>
> Which one would you go for?? Is this a silly comparison?? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

I remeasure last night and got 110+30=130.  Thanks

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>   You can purchase Gilles Berthoud saddles from Rene Herse Cycles, the
> Berthoud dealer in the U.S.
>
>   The widest models most like the B17 are the Mente, the Aubisque, and the
> Vars. The Mente is the economy model without the torx head bolts allowing
> you to change leather tops. The Aubisque has steel rails, and the Vars has
> titanium rails, and both allow one to change the leather tops or take apart
> the saddle to replace parts. Rene Herse now carries the Aubisque.
>
>   I ride these saddles because my sit bones are almost 13cm apart, so even
> if I'm stretched out, a wider saddle feels better, and I like my Albatross
> bars lowered to saddle height. I'm definitely not a fan of the very upright
> riding posture, unless I'm stretching & riding hands free. My sit bones
> rest a bit too close to the edge to ride comfortably on the Aspin.
>
>   I would recommend getting the Aubisque, because it gives you the option
> to replace parts, including the leather top, if you ever need to.
>
>   But first, I would recommend measuring your sit bones to make sure how
> wide a saddle you need. The WTB website has a sit bone "calculator", their
> Fit Right System, which I found very easy to use, and accurate (for me at
> least), which uses the width of your wrist. I would give it a whirl before
> you buy:  https://www.wtb.com/pages/fit-right-system
>
> YMMV,
>
> John
>
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as
>> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old
>> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then
>> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles.
>> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the
>> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay
>> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but
>> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather
>> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if
>> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.
>> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart,
>> +20=110mm.
>>
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[RBW] XO-1 or Roadini

[Zack Medow]

RBW Owners Bunch I need your help!

I'm looking to venture into the world of my first Rivendell/Bridgestone. 

I'm at an impasse right now. I'm thinking of putting in an order for a 
Roadini and set it up with the new Shikoro 38mm tires Riv is carrying. But 
there's also a mint condition XO-1 right now on eBay in my size. 

I'm going to be using this bike for road and city riding, maybe some very 
light grav grav. I have a Jones for a trail bike, so that's not really a 
concern. My goal is to find a supple steel bike that fits a wider tire 
without resorting to a disc break and the stiff fork that comes with it. 

Which one would you go for?? Is this a silly comparison?? 


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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  You can purchase Gilles Berthoud saddles from Rene Herse Cycles, the 
Berthoud dealer in the U.S. 

  The widest models most like the B17 are the Mente, the Aubisque, and the 
Vars. The Mente is the economy model without the torx head bolts allowing 
you to change leather tops. The Aubisque has steel rails, and the Vars has 
titanium rails, and both allow one to change the leather tops or take apart 
the saddle to replace parts. Rene Herse now carries the Aubisque.

  I ride these saddles because my sit bones are almost 13cm apart, so even 
if I'm stretched out, a wider saddle feels better, and I like my Albatross 
bars lowered to saddle height. I'm definitely not a fan of the very upright 
riding posture, unless I'm stretching & riding hands free. My sit bones 
rest a bit too close to the edge to ride comfortably on the Aspin.

  I would recommend getting the Aubisque, because it gives you the option 
to replace parts, including the leather top, if you ever need to.

  But first, I would recommend measuring your sit bones to make sure how 
wide a saddle you need. The WTB website has a sit bone "calculator", their 
Fit Right System, which I found very easy to use, and accurate (for me at 
least), which uses the width of your wrist. I would give it a whirl before 
you buy:  https://www.wtb.com/pages/fit-right-system

YMMV,

John


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> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
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[RBW] Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   I was looking at my 2013 Hunqapillar's geometry on the Bike Insights 
website, and it described the stack & reach as more aggressive than most 
off road touring bikes, and designed for swept back handlebars.

I don't remember Rivendell specifying the Hunqapillar was designed for 
swept back bars in it's emails or flyers or website, although I was steered 
firmly toward Albatross bars when I bought it.

Does anyone know if indeed the Hunqapillar was designed for Albatross bars 
or Bosco bars? The Choco & Billie bars weren't around yet back in 2013.

I looked back through all the old Hunq info I could find, and didn't find 
anything written that specified a particular bar was best the the 
Hunqapillar.

Slightly puzzled,

John

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Re: [RBW] 50cm Atlantis. 650b

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joel

Using Bill Lindsay's analysis and assuming 10% of the US population in 
within 2H of Springfield MA, your chances of finding a 650B 50cm Atlantis 
is less than 1 in 10,000.   Suggest you pursue other methods. 

Just checked RBW website and using the Bill Lindsay method of stock 
determination, they have ten (10) 650B 50cm Atlantis frames in stock.  
Perhaps Bill's suggestion of a RBW dealer ordering 1 for you to test makes 
sense.

>From previous posts, your major concern is SOH and the RBW's NOT specifying 
SOH in the geo charts for the the Atlantis or the JoeyA.  You seem torn 
between the 2.

I would expect a 50cm Atlantis SOH to be 1cm LOWER than the 51cm JoeyA: 
same TTL and tire size, lower BBD, minor HTA/STA differences.  A Technomic 
stem should give you enough bar height.

Suggest calling RBW and insisting to speak to Grant to help you decide.
You can tell him your concerns of RBW fitting the largest frame, SOH, and 
bar height.  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 12:50:43 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ryan, I ride with Albatross bars.  
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Ryan M.  > wrote:
>
>> If I remember correctly, the Appaloosa was designed with the Chaco bars 
>> in mind, so more swept back and has a longer top tube length.
>>
>> I have a 51 cm Appaloosa and have had the Chaco moose bars on it 
>> originally and now have a set of Bullmoose bars on it. The change in riding 
>> position was noticeable between the two bars but neither are bad And both 
>> are pleasant. I changed bars mostly as an experiment and could go back to 
>> the chacos in the future. Anyway, it seems like the Atlantis would be a 
>> little more friendly for drop bars if you were thinking about them...maybe 
>> a little shorter reach. Stand over probably is pretty comparable between 
>> the two. I’m personally over drop bars after having realized I never ride 
>> in the drops. 
>>
>> I’m 5’6.5” - 5’ 7” tall depending on how my body feels that day, with a 
>> 79pbh that I have self measured several times. The stand over height of the 
>> Appaloosa does not bother me.
>>
>> Just some data points. I have owned and ridden a 48c Sam Hillborne, 51cm 
>> Roadeo, 53cm Toyo built Atlantis with 26” wheels, 51cm Appaloosa and now a 
>> 51.5cm Frank Jones Sr. They all seemed to fit me fine. 
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[RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Max Diener]

Hey Paul, that's super helpful! Thanks for the report and the pic. Do you have 
a guesstimate on distance between top of tire and saddle loops?

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[RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Paul Richardson]

just measured.  got 15".

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Ian Terry]

This is a great idea! Thanks for starting the thread. 

Ian Terry,
Miami, FL

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 7:11:41 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>
> 61cm Roadini
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>
> 58cm Quickbeam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>
> 52cm Clementine
>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>
> 65cm Redwood
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
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[RBW] Re: FS: Kogswell Model R

[Kelsey Ashcraft]

The Kogswell sold yesterday. Thanks everyone for taking interest.

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:54:09 AM UTC-5, Kelsey Ashcraft wrote:
>
> Ok i know its not a Rivendell but it is steel and it does have some lugs. 
> Im trying to sell my single speed Kogswell size 54.
> Build includes:
> H plus Son wheels
> Velo Orange fenders, stem, and handlebars
> Brooks all weather saddle
> Tektro brakes and Shimano levers
> Pedals and cage are needed for my sons bike and this bike will be packaged 
> by my friends at Decatur Bicycle Shoppe
> Please feel free to text or email me for more pictures.
>
> Thanks
> Kelsey
> kashcraf...@gmail.com
> 217-820-7852
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Andy Beichler]

That is lovely.  

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 12:47:18 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
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> My Poly.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JDVudtqU6Jpw6dm2A
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[RBW] WTB: Set of Cantilever brakes (front and back)

[Kelsey Ashcraft]

I'm looking to set up my Clem with some cantilever brakes so i can maximize 
my fender height. It would be great if you had the appropriate hangers as 
well. 

Thanks 
Kelsey
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Re: [RBW] XO-1 or Roadini

[Ian A]

What James said. With the XO1, you'll be paying a lot for the history. A 
Roadini would be better value, as would a Sam Hillborne...

IanA Alberta Canada

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2003 Curt Goodrich-built, Dave Porter and Chauncey Matthews-modified 26" wheel Rivendell Road fixed gear custom ***road bike***

[S. Greco]

Hey, I'd really like to buy this frame! I replied to the original thread, 
but I don't know who you are considering first. Dibs please?

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:49:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Two people asked me a while ago to sell this frameset to them. I know the 
> name of the second person; I forget the name of the first, who offered me 
> $650 shipped.
>
> I feel obliged to give these 2 right of refusal in the order they 
> contacted me.
>
> Price is $750 shipped CONUS.
>
> I am selling frame, fork (no headset), integrated racks (there are front 
> lowriders to match), fenders (VO 50 mm), extra fenders (new no package 
> Berthoud 650B 40 mm), and if you want it, a well used but still 
> bearing-smooth Surly fixed/free 130 mm OL hub. 
>
> Note:
>
> 1. I am selling the package; will not part out.
>
> 2. Sorry, the brake calipers **are not included.**
>
> 3. The frame had threaded fender bosses under rear bridge and crown; *I 
> stripped those* so that the rear fender uses the usual sheet metal clamp, 
> and the front uses a daruma. (I cut off the formerly-threaded fork crown 
> plate to install the daruma.)
>
> 4. The seatstay bridge is a wee bit too low for perfect fender line, as 
> you can see from the photo, but it will accommodate 1.35mm Kojaks on 21 mm 
> outside rimes underneath with enough clearance to leave my conscience free.
>
> 5. I cut ~4 mm off the ends of the long rear dropouts to make axle entry 
> and egress easier; you can see the primer in the photo.
>
> 6. The racks and frame have dyno lighting wire guides but designed for SON 
> DeLuxe and Edeluxe 1. Wire runs from hub up inside left fender/lowrider 
> arch strut to lamp which bolts to bracket at top of arch; tail light wire 
> runs back down strut to dropout, then up fork leg in guide where it has to 
> wind around brake cable to access guides along top tube; thence to guides 
> on right seatstay down to rack where it disappears into rack tube only to 
> emerge at the rear of rack for attachment to the tail light.
>
> 7. Note these well:
>
> *** getting 2 wires up and down the arch/strut is a royal pain!** But I 
> did it and so can you. It looks nice and need. Or run up on outside with 
> zip ties, what do I care?
>
> ** the holes in the arch and rack struts are just holes: no grommets or 
> finessing, just holes. But in x thousand -- 6? 8? -- miles including many 
> bumps my wires were never cut or compromised.
>
> Upon initial assembly, frame, fork (forget if I subsequently cut the 
> steerer. but don't worry, it's long enough, along with sloping tt and 
> raised head tube) to get bar high) and Ultegra headset (*not included*) 
> weighed 7 lb. 
>
> This is a stout frame and the stoutness -- more stout than the 1999 Joe 
> Starck which was its model -- made it "bog*" for me -- unlike the 1999.
>
> * "bogging" is the diametrical opposite of "planing."
>
> Lastly, photo credits: My daughter Catie snapped these shots with her 
> iPhone 8 S in 4 minutes and got results that make my best efforts look like 
> those of an 8 year old with a Brownie Box Camera. 
>
> More lastly yet: I include a photo of the bike that replaced this 2003 
> Riv, also taken by Catie which is not as nicely built or finished, but man, 
> does it ride better!
>
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Joe Bernard]

I've tried several times with various Sackvilles to make "not an inch to spare" 
work on rackless fenderless bikes and always discover the same thing: Works 
great unloaded, go to the store and buy some stuff, load bag, ride home with it 
dragging on the tire. You're probably going to need a rack

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Re: [RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Max Diener]

Gotcha--thanks. I asked because I do like the way those look, not quite a 
full on rack, so was curious if I could make it work.

Interesting thought on the stick--I'll have to think on that!

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

Roadini. The XO-1 is a fun bike but achieves its low-standover sizing at the 
expense of a short headtube..getting them bars up is an exercise in searching 
for tall stems and bars. 

I've owned both and the Roadini is a truly great bicycle. 

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Garth,

I apologize, my post must have been as clear as mud. I'm not asking for 
handlebar recommendations. And I certainly don't want to be told what to 
do. I sincerely apologize if my post was offensive. 

Right now I'm super happy with my Albatross bars & 12cm Nitto NP stem. 

I'm just trying to understand, if there is anything to understand, why the 
Hunqapillar. According to Grant, the Bombadil was actually a little bit 
different that the Hunq, having a taller head tube.

Again, my apologies,

John

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:10:08 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>  
>
>The Hunqapillar was/is a lower-cost substitute for the Bombadil, which 
> wasn't designed for any particular bar, the initial prototypes used both 
> drop bars and moustache bars. Regardless of the frame and it's relative 
> reach you just can't limit it to any particular bar, not even the designer. 
> There are infinite body types and preferences. Whoever thought in the late 
> 70's you'd ever see those early mountain bikes being ridden with drop bars 
> ? Who imagined a vintage racing/touring frame being used with swept back 
> bars ?   
>  
>So the best bar is whatever works for you. I realize some people want 
> to be told what to do, and for those there's endless people to tell you, 
> each with their pet set of relatives/isms/theories/beliefs. Others prefer, 
> if not must, find out for themselves "what's it all about ?" , what works 
> with a given frame at any given time. Like a "hunq" of clay for the potter. 
> Again,  such is Infinite, pure creativity, and such is Life !
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Re: [RBW] Introduction and "Classic" Roadini

[Lyman Labry]

Really beautiful bike and set up!  Curious, have you weighed the bike?
Thanks!

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:46 AM Jim Plaugher 
wrote:

> Hi folks! I'd like to properly introduce myself and tell the story of my
> first Rivendell, a 58 Roadini.
>  I have been a long time listener to this group, but for many years,
> bicycling has meant commutng year round in the midwest, on my modified Fuji
> MTB, a bike I used think had a long wheelbase! As a Rivendell member in the
> days when the "Reader" was on paper, I enjoyed  Grant's writings
> celebrating the practicalness of bikes, usefulness of saddlebags and his
> encouragement to prioritize comfort. I enjoy reading all of Grant's
> writings and I enjoy reading the posts to this group. You are all so
> expressive with words! I hope it rubs off on me, as I would like to be
> better at writing.
> For the last year I have been living in North East Iowa on top of a bluff
> with 2.5 miles of a steep gravel road before I hit the scenic paved highway
> along the Mississippi River. So the Roadini in the picture is nice and
> clean as it is not my first choice when I head out the door. 26X2.00 feels
> safer to me than 700X35C on the gravel. But the Leo is really nice to ride,
> once on the highway!
> I am sentimental about some bike components and often remember the history
> of parts I have traded. This bike has a Phil Wood front hub my family gave
> me for Christmas.The rear is a 40H first generation Phil freewheel hub with
> radial lacing on the none-drive side. It came from trading parts from a
> Peugeot PX1O. I gave up the sewup wheels in favor of parts,I considered to
> be more practical. The  noodle bars and the Shimano 600 cranks also came
> from the Peugeot. So now I have a bike with a frame from Rivendell, not
> just various parts. I enjoy experiencing the Rivendell design through
> riding, and not just reading! I hope to contrbute to conversations in the
> future.
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[RBW] Re: Your Favorite Adhesive for Riv Cork Grips???

[Brian Campbell]

Piece of cloth tape on the handle bar and some Gorilla brand Super Glue. 
Not the kind the expands as it dries. 

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:19:26 PM UTC-4, John Phillips wrote:
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>   Do you have a favorite adhesive you use to keep them from rotating?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Lyman Labry]

Yes. The Baggabond may be too large for the Erlen and maybe too heavy for
what its designed for.  Just a thought.
Back to the stick.  It’s kind of an “on the fly” approach.  But maybe a
piece of black bamboo and contrasting cord would be more elegant and appear
more purposeful.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:58 PM Max Diener  wrote:

> @tirebiter - yes, I've seen the same thing re: a stick, though I have had
> a hard time conceptualizing what that would look like in practice. Seeing
> Paul's pic helps me to envision it. I do wonder if it would prematurely
> stretch the bag out if done regularly...
>
> Regarding the Erlen rack, maybe you can help me understand something. If
> I'm reading their product info correctly, it allows for a bag of up to 7"
> to rest on it before that bag would be hitting the seat. How would you fit
> the Baggabond in there without seat interference?
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:26:41 AM UTC-6, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>
>> I think I’ve seen somewhere in their blog that you could use a stick and
>> strap arrangement to help support the bag.  On the other hand, the Erlen
>> rack is a more elegant solution.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM Paul Richardson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> just measured.  got 15".
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Joel Stern]

There instructions on line, I am not home but if you need a link let me
know.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Scott McLain  wrote:

> An old tube under tape is a brilliant idea!  Why didn't I think of that?
> I just changed my Homer from an Albatros back to drops.  I just wrapped
> them this weekend and finished the shellac last night.
>
> I like the look and novelty of the cork, but it is not super comfy.  There
> are lots of great options out there nowadays for sure.
>
> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:02:19 PM UTC-6, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Scott, I was thinking of something like that.  I may use an old
>> tube under bar tape as I like the look I have now.  I can always try cork
>> later.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:56 PM Scott McLain  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joel,  I just tape near the front of the grip where the twine goes.
>>> The grip with a shifter cable won’t move much.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Jay Lonner]

The Pass and Stow rack is great - the weak link is the basket and its high 
center of gravity. I’ve probably carried 15-20# with no issues, and I wouldn’t 
hesitate to carry more than that in lowrider panniers. 

I’m glad you noticed the Rat Fink bell. My youngest daughter gave it to me as a 
birthday present when she was 6 or so - it has a lot of sentimental value to 
me. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

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>   Thanks Jay! Nice set up, you've got a lifetime's worth of hand positions 
> there!
> 
> How much can you carry on your Pass & Stow rack without the load taking over 
> the handling?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  Jay, can I ask which quill stem you went with for your Jones bars? I see 
a 3 different 31.8 quill stems with the removable face plates on the Crust 
bikes website: 15 degree & 30 degree Nitto UI stems & the Nitto BJ stem.

  I agree about the upright posture with the Bosco's, every bump in the 
road seems targeted on my brain, and riding downhill makes me feel like I'm 
about to fly over my handlebars. Plus the cockpit is just way too darn 
cramped. I had to search for the longest & lowest stem I could find just to 
make Albatross bars comfortable, and that's with my butt and saddle all the 
way back on a lugged seat post.

  I thought remembered trying out the Bullmoose Bosco bars at Riv back in 
2013, so I double checked my memory on the Internet Way Back Machine, and 
Bosco's, Bullmoose Bosco's, Dove bars & and Albatross bars were all in the 
2012 Riv catalog when I ordered my Hunqapillar. I wouldn't trade my Hunq 
for anything, but it seems like somewhat of an outlier in Rivendell design 
geometries, and was trying to understand why.

Happy but puzzled,

John

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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[☆ Paul ☆]

Thanks Ann. Already am... it doesn't look so clean any more.

Testing some lower bars this week + fenders + this really rad Schindelhauer 
rack I found in Germany:

https://www.schindelhauerbikes.com/en/Accessories/Front-Pannier-Rack.html


On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:01:20 PM UTC-4 Ann L wrote:

> Beautiful bike!  Congratulations and now enjoy riding the hell out of it :)
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[RBW] Re: PSA: hubbuh hubbuh

[Adam Kimball]

Bump with a price drop.  $1600 for the frameset and seatposts.  This size 
frame is currently sold out.  Pictures are here 
 (scroll down, don't click the next post 
button).  Write with any questions.

Note: My posts seem to be deleted and not relayed out, still trying to 
figure out what might be going on.  Apologies if they suddenly flood in 
down the road.

Adam

On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 10:07:36 AM UTC-6 Adam Kimball wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> This is my frame.  I've been trying to post a proper FS post here but it 
> seems to be getting caught in a death spiral even though I've been a member 
> here for a long long time.  Pics available here 
> .  Feel free to reach out.  
>
> I assume I will get a proper post up here very soon.
>
> Adam
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:26:59 PM UTC-6 William! wrote:
>
>> It's back! Anyone know the seller?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 2:44:29 PM UTC-8, Birdman wrote:
>>>
>>> Not mine and I don’t know the seller, but this medium sized hubbuh 
>>> hubbuh is new in box: 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/boise-rivendell-hubbuh-hubbuh-tandem/7068604950.html
>>>  
>>>
>>> Isaac in PDX
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  Thanks Jay! Nice set up, you've got a lifetime's worth of hand positions 
there!

How much can you carry on your Pass & Stow rack without the load taking 
over the handling?

Thanks,

John

PS: Cool bike bell!

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[RBW] Velocity dyad wheelset, other small parts

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Hey I’ve got Velocity wheelset I’m trying to let go and a few other parts. 
Everything but the wheelset, price includes shipping.

700c velocity dyad with continental raceking 2.2s $200+ship
Surly single speed kit $40
Thomson 130mm stem 5 degree rise 25.4 clamp $20 good for a new Gus if you wanna 
use swept back bars.
Shimano XT FD-M786 2x10 Traditional Dual-Pull Multi-clamp Front Derailleur $40

Here’s the image folder 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ospmmZLQ10Wzsti056VEGnZJObHNhNuO

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Palincsar]

I don't know if they still have the program, but five or six years ago 
they did and I took advantage of it. As it turned out, none of their 
saddles worked for me, but it was well worth trying.  Since then, I've 
tried to provide similar assistance to friends by lending them a 
Berthoud Aspin.


On 7/13/20 1:14 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
I believe Rivet Cycle Works has a saddle "Try Before You Buy" program, 
and they have a few different saddle widths which might works for you. 
Before you go buying a Berthoud, you might try out Rivet's saddles. 
Couldn't hurt? Well no, we're talking saddles here, so yes it could 
hurt, but it might save you money. ;)


Disclaimer: I've never tried a Rivet, but many people love them.


https://rivetcycleworks.com/

Good luck!

John
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[RBW] Re: FS- 2 Maxxis Rambler 700 x 40mm folding tubeless ready tires

[Bruce Smitham]

These tires are SOLD

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 5:09:05 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
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> For sale 2 Maxxis Rambler tires 700 x 40mm silk shield folding tubeless 
> ready in good or fair condition. Plenty of life left in them. Has some 
> sealant residue. $20 plus shipping CONUS. Buyer pays any paypal fees. 
> Thanks, Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[James Davis]

Paul,

Wonderful build, my friend.

Atlantis-es been built in Japan by Toyo in the early 2000s and then by
Waterford in the US until a few years ago when Riv offered up a MIT
version. However, I have heard whispers that if you throw down enough cash
that you can still get a MUSA (Made in the USA) Atlantis.

On July 14, 2017 (happy early bday to my Atlantis, I got a Waterford-built
Atlantis right before the change to geometry to longer chainstays and moved
production to Taiwan. After ordering In September of 2016, I waited some
8-10 months because Waterford ran out of the chainstays that used to come
on the previous version and the chain stay maker (true temper) left the
steel market. I don’t know if that led to the change in geo or just was the
final pebble that toppled over the load in helping them reconceptualize the
geometry of the Atlantis.

The long chainstays are wonderful. I enjoy them on my Clem. I am sure you
were enjoy them on your Atlantis.

Best,
James Gardner Davis
Denver

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:54 AM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:

> Thank you Steve. Were they all American made before this?
>
> Taiwan makes some amazing bikes.
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:26:39 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:
>
>> MIT = Made in Taiwan
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>>>
>>> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share
>>> it. *What does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>>>
>>> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes
>>> me happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and
>>> conversation is the result.
>>>
>>> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a
>>> 1x10 SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The
>>> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed
>>> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened
>>> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil
>>> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already
>>> super-comfy.
>>>
>>> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The
>>> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast,
>>> like much smaller tires.
>>>
>>> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon
>>> request.
>>>
>>> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne
>>> for a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a
>>> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post
>>> when I do.)
>>>
>>> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> [image: 1.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Garth]

 

   The Hunqapillar was/is a lower-cost substitute for the Bombadil, which 
wasn't designed for any particular bar, the initial prototypes used both 
drop bars and moustache bars. Regardless of the frame and it's relative 
reach you just can't limit it to any particular bar, not even the designer. 
There are infinite body types and preferences. Whoever thought in the late 
70's you'd ever see those early mountain bikes being ridden with drop bars 
? Who imagined a vintage racing/touring frame being used with swept back 
bars ?   
 
   So the best bar is whatever works for you. I realize some people want to 
be told what to do, and for those there's endless people to tell you, each 
with their pet set of relatives/isms/theories/beliefs. Others prefer, if 
not must, find out for themselves "what's it all about ?" , what works with 
a given frame at any given time. Like a "hunq" of clay for the potter. 
Again,  such is Infinite, pure creativity, and such is Life !

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[RBW] Your Favorite Adhesive for Riv Cork Grips???

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  Do you have a favorite adhesive you use to keep them from rotating?

Thanks,

John

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[RBW] Re: PSA: hubbuh hubbuh (price drop!)

[Adam Kimball]

Still can't post a proper "for sale" post so responding to this old 
thread.  Apologies for when my proper posting comes through.

*Price Drop: *Orange/Medium Hubbuh frameset.  Includes all the hardware 
Rivendell includes + seat posts.  Was: $1750, now $1600.   Silver crankset 
available for additional charge.  This is $400+ off the retail price AND 
this frame size is sold out, so get it while you can!

Pics are here .  Note: scroll down, don't 
click the next post button.

Write me with any questions!

Adam

On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 10:07:36 AM UTC-6 Adam Kimball wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> This is my frame.  I've been trying to post a proper FS post here but it 
> seems to be getting caught in a death spiral even though I've been a member 
> here for a long long time.  Pics available here 
> .  Feel free to reach out.  
>
> I assume I will get a proper post up here very soon.
>
> Adam
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:26:59 PM UTC-6 William! wrote:
>
>> It's back! Anyone know the seller?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 2:44:29 PM UTC-8, Birdman wrote:
>>>
>>> Not mine and I don’t know the seller, but this medium sized hubbuh 
>>> hubbuh is new in box: 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/boise-rivendell-hubbuh-hubbuh-tandem/7068604950.html
>>>  
>>>
>>> Isaac in PDX
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Rivendell cork grips

[Scott McLain]

An old tube under tape is a brilliant idea!  Why didn't I think of that?  I 
just changed my Homer from an Albatros back to drops.  I just wrapped them 
this weekend and finished the shellac last night.

I like the look and novelty of the cork, but it is not super comfy.  There 
are lots of great options out there nowadays for sure.

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>
> Thanks Scott, I was thinking of something like that.  I may use an old 
> tube under bar tape as I like the look I have now.  I can always try cork 
> later.  
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:56 PM Scott McLain  > wrote:
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>> Hi Joel,  I just tape near the front of the grip where the twine goes.  
>> The grip with a shifter cable won’t move much.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

Thanks John, your Next to last line made me laugh.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:14 PM 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I believe Rivet Cycle Works has a saddle "Try Before You Buy" program, and
> they have a few different saddle widths which might works for you. Before
> you go buying a Berthoud, you might try out Rivet's saddles. Couldn't hurt?
> Well no, we're talking saddles here, so yes it could hurt, but it might
> save you money. ;)
>
> Disclaimer: I've never tried a Rivet, but many people love them.
>
> 
> https://rivetcycleworks.com/
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> Good luck!
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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[☆ Paul ☆]

Thank you Steve. Were they all American made before this?

Taiwan makes some amazing bikes.

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:26:39 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:

> MIT = Made in Taiwan
>
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>>
>> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share it. 
>> *What 
>> does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>>
>> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes me 
>> happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
>> conversation is the result.
>>
>> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 1x10 
>> SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
>> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
>> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
>> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
>> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
>> super-comfy.
>>
>> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The 
>> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast, 
>> like much smaller tires. 
>>
>> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon request.
>>
>> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne for 
>> a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
>> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
>> when I do.)
>>
>> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> [image: 1.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I believe Rivet Cycle Works has a saddle "Try Before You Buy" program, and 
they have a few different saddle widths which might works for you. Before 
you go buying a Berthoud, you might try out Rivet's saddles. Couldn't hurt? 
Well no, we're talking saddles here, so yes it could hurt, but it might 
save you money. ;)

Disclaimer: I've never tried a Rivet, but many people love them.


https://rivetcycleworks.com/

Good luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Jay Lonner]

This one right here:

https://www.crustbikes.com/products/nitto-ui-31-8-30-degree-3/

Some of the best money I’ve ever spent on a part - just a perfect stem for 
Jones bars. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 9:57 AM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> 
> 
>   Jay, can I ask which quill stem you went with for your Jones bars? I see a 
> 3 different 31.8 quill stems with the removable face plates on the Crust 
> bikes website: 15 degree & 30 degree Nitto UI stems & the Nitto BJ stem.
> 
>   I agree about the upright posture with the Bosco's, every bump in the road 
> seems targeted on my brain, and riding downhill makes me feel like I'm about 
> to fly over my handlebars. Plus the cockpit is just way too darn cramped. I 
> had to search for the longest & lowest stem I could find just to make 
> Albatross bars comfortable, and that's with my butt and saddle all the way 
> back on a lugged seat post.
> 
>   I thought remembered trying out the Bullmoose Bosco bars at Riv back in 
> 2013, so I double checked my memory on the Internet Way Back Machine, and 
> Bosco's, Bullmoose Bosco's, Dove bars & and Albatross bars were all in the 
> 2012 Riv catalog when I ordered my Hunqapillar. I wouldn't trade my Hunq for 
> anything, but it seems like somewhat of an outlier in Rivendell design 
> geometries, and was trying to understand why.
> 
> Happy but puzzled,
> 
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[RBW] Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Jeremy Till]

The flat bullmoose bars (i.e. not the Bosco- or choco-moose) came out around 
the same time as the Hunqapillar and I remember those featuring prominently 
among many of the early builds.

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Jay, I'll take a look.

John

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:15:01 AM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> This one right here:
>
> https://www.crustbikes.com/products/nitto-ui-31-8-30-degree-3/
>
> Some of the best money I’ve ever spent on a part - just a perfect stem for 
> Jones bars. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 9:57 AM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
>   Jay, can I ask which quill stem you went with for your Jones bars? I see 
> a 3 different 31.8 quill stems with the removable face plates on the Crust 
> bikes website: 15 degree & 30 degree Nitto UI stems & the Nitto BJ stem.
>
>   I agree about the upright posture with the Bosco's, every bump in the 
> road seems targeted on my brain, and riding downhill makes me feel like I'm 
> about to fly over my handlebars. Plus the cockpit is just way too darn 
> cramped. I had to search for the longest & lowest stem I could find just to 
> make Albatross bars comfortable, and that's with my butt and saddle all the 
> way back on a lugged seat post.
>
>   I thought remembered trying out the Bullmoose Bosco bars at Riv back in 
> 2013, so I double checked my memory on the Internet Way Back Machine, and 
> Bosco's, Bullmoose Bosco's, Dove bars & and Albatross bars were all in the 
> 2012 Riv catalog when I ordered my Hunqapillar. I wouldn't trade my Hunq 
> for anything, but it seems like somewhat of an outlier in Rivendell design 
> geometries, and was trying to understand why.
>
> Happy but puzzled,
>
> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Max Diener]

@tirebiter - yes, I've seen the same thing re: a stick, though I have had a 
hard time conceptualizing what that would look like in practice. Seeing 
Paul's pic helps me to envision it. I do wonder if it would prematurely 
stretch the bag out if done regularly...

Regarding the Erlen rack, maybe you can help me understand something. If 
I'm reading their product info correctly, it allows for a bag of up to 7" 
to rest on it before that bag would be hitting the seat. How would you fit 
the Baggabond in there without seat interference?

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:26:41 AM UTC-6, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
> I think I’ve seen somewhere in their blog that you could use a stick and 
> strap arrangement to help support the bag.  On the other hand, the Erlen 
> rack is a more elegant solution.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM Paul Richardson  > wrote:
>
>> just measured.  got 15".
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

H. I need to slide the "sliding bracket" (like this one, but a Wald the 
shop used: 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/honjo-sliding-bracket/) 
to increase clearance at the seat stay bridge. Anything I need to know? I 
plan on using a flat head screwdriver to loosen the clamps, adjust the 
fender, then re-clamp with pliers.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: hubbuh hubbuh

[Corwin]

Hi Adam -

Not sure when you bought your Hubbuhubbuh - but I bought mine in November 
2019. I paid Riv $2200.

So this looks like $600 off the retail price.

If I didn't already have one - I would grab it!

Thanks,


Corwin

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:38:51 AM UTC-7, Adam Kimball wrote:
>
> Bump with a price drop.  $1600 for the frameset and seatposts.  This size 
> frame is currently sold out.  Pictures are here 
>  (scroll down, don't click the next post 
> button).  Write with any questions.
>
> Note: My posts seem to be deleted and not relayed out, still trying to 
> figure out what might be going on.  Apologies if they suddenly flood in 
> down the road.
>
> Adam
>
> On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 10:07:36 AM UTC-6 Adam Kimball wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> This is my frame.  I've been trying to post a proper FS post here but it 
>> seems to be getting caught in a death spiral even though I've been a member 
>> here for a long long time.  Pics available here 
>> .  Feel free to reach out.  
>>
>> I assume I will get a proper post up here very soon.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:26:59 PM UTC-6 William! wrote:
>>
>>> It's back! Anyone know the seller?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 4, 2020 at 2:44:29 PM UTC-8, Birdman wrote:

 Not mine and I don’t know the seller, but this medium sized hubbuh 
 hubbuh is new in box: 


 https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/boise-rivendell-hubbuh-hubbuh-tandem/7068604950.html
  

 Isaac in PDX
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[☆ Paul ☆]

Thanks for the reply and info James.

Yes, the Atlantis is really, really long. I've designed my own frames but 
nothing this long, and it's just awesome, I feel like a kid riding a 
Stingray. Especially with new rubber fast tires.

The Sam H I built up has similar components (1x10) but had lower Billie 
bars and 35c tires. My original idea was the Sam would be a faster bike for 
gravel rides (we have a lot of dirt roads in Vermont), and the Atlantis 
more of a 100% upright town cruiser.  But I just flipped bars (Bosco to 
Sam, Billie Bars to Atlantis) and saddles between the bikes and some how 
it's better: upright narrow tire Sam H, very dignified, and the Atlantis is 
*slightly* more aggressive with fat tires and the Billie Bar. 

Also just realized I can slide the brakes and shifter way up the Billie Bar 
towards the front of the bike, which gives me a ton of hand positions on 
the Atlantis. Going to ride over to the BMX shop if it doesn't thunderstorm 
and see if they have some old-fashioned 170mm flangeless grips.

Starting to think I'm going to end up keeping both bikes for a while and 
not sell the Sam, at least yet. Bleh. My garage is full!

All this on my lunch hour. 

XO

Paul

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-4 jamesj...@gmail.com wrote:

> Paul, 
>
> Wonderful build, my friend. 
>
> Atlantis-es been built in Japan by Toyo in the early 2000s and then by 
> Waterford in the US until a few years ago when Riv offered up a MIT 
> version. However, I have heard whispers that if you throw down enough cash 
> that you can still get a MUSA (Made in the USA) Atlantis.
>
> On July 14, 2017 (happy early bday to my Atlantis, I got a Waterford-built 
> Atlantis right before the change to geometry to longer chainstays and moved 
> production to Taiwan. After ordering In September of 2016, I waited some 
> 8-10 months because Waterford ran out of the chainstays that used to come 
> on the previous version and the chain stay maker (true temper) left the 
> steel market. I don’t know if that led to the change in geo or just was the 
> final pebble that toppled over the load in helping them reconceptualize the 
> geometry of the Atlantis.
>
> The long chainstays are wonderful. I enjoy them on my Clem. I am sure you 
> were enjoy them on your Atlantis.
>
> Best,
> James Gardner Davis
> Denver
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:54 AM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Steve. Were they all American made before this?
>>
>> Taiwan makes some amazing bikes.
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:26:39 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:
>>
>>> MIT = Made in Taiwan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

 Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.

 Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share 
 it. *What does MIT stand for, anyway?*

 Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes 
 me happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
 conversation is the result.

 A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 
 1x10 SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
 Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
 to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
 out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
 (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
 super-comfy.

 Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. 
 The new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so 
 fast, 
 like much smaller tires. 

 Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon 
 request.

 (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne 
 for a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
 little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
 when I do.)

 I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 

 Paul

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Re: [RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Lyman Labry]

I think I’ve seen somewhere in their blog that you could use a stick and
strap arrangement to help support the bag.  On the other hand, the Erlen
rack is a more elegant solution.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM Paul Richardson 
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> just measured.  got 15".
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Re: [RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Max Diener]

A pic of the above referenced 7", in case that clarifies my question

[image: Erlen Saddle Bag Support - Nitto Production 2.0]

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

Oof, I've seen the XO you're looking at..your competition for bidding have lost 
their minds! It's a lovely piece of history but I don't think they're worth 
what those folks seem willing to pay. Modern Rivs are better bikes. 

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Bill Rhea]

Attachments didn't take; here's a link to some Hunqa photos 

.

Bill

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 12:05:03 PM UTC-7, Bill Rhea wrote:
>
> I don't know if it was designed for them, but FWIW the Bosco Bullmoose bar 
> on my 62cm Hunqa is practically perfect in every way :-)
>
> You can sit bolt upright for downhill fire road bombing (knowing the bars 
> will never slip in the stem) or put forearms on the grips and grab the flat 
> part for headwinds and steep climbs.  Only downside might be if you do tons 
> of rocky, super-steep, slow-speed, butt-behind-the-seat technical 
> downhilling as your hands might want to slide forward from the grips  
> My Hunqa is more set up for commuting/touring and shopping these days 
> anyway.
>
> Bar choice is so personal, whatever you pick for your Hunqa you really 
> can't go wrong.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Rhea
> Napa, CA
>
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:46:56 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>I was looking at my 2013 Hunqapillar's geometry on the Bike Insights 
>> website, and it described the stack & reach as more aggressive than most 
>> off road touring bikes, and designed for swept back handlebars.
>>
>> I don't remember Rivendell specifying the Hunqapillar was designed for 
>> swept back bars in it's emails or flyers or website, although I was steered 
>> firmly toward Albatross bars when I bought it.
>>
>> Does anyone know if indeed the Hunqapillar was designed for Albatross 
>> bars or Bosco bars? The Choco & Billie bars weren't around yet back in 2013.
>>
>> I looked back through all the old Hunq info I could find, and didn't find 
>> anything written that specified a particular bar was best the the 
>> Hunqapillar.
>>
>> Slightly puzzled,
>>
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful bike!  Congratulations and now enjoy riding the hell out of it :)

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 or Roadini

[Dave Johnston]

I like my X0-3, but honestly the new bikes are more refined and easier to 
size. If I had one I'd keep it but I wouldn't pay collectors prices for 
one.  

Currently the Sam Hillborne is most like the 93 X0-1 (cantis, max 47mm 
tire) and the A Homer Hilsen most like the 92 XO-1 (sidepulls, max ~42mm 
tire). 

-Dave

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:47:40 AM UTC-4, Zack Medow wrote:
>
> RBW Owners Bunch I need your help!
>
> I'm looking to venture into the world of my first Rivendell/Bridgestone. 
>
> I'm at an impasse right now. I'm thinking of putting in an order for a 
> Roadini and set it up with the new Shikoro 38mm tires Riv is carrying. But 
> there's also a mint condition XO-1 right now on eBay in my size. 
>
> I'm going to be using this bike for road and city riding, maybe some very 
> light grav grav. I have a Jones for a trail bike, so that's not really a 
> concern. My goal is to find a supple steel bike that fits a wider tire 
> without resorting to a disc break and the stiff fork that comes with it. 
>
> Which one would you go for?? Is this a silly comparison?? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Max, if you can live with gray in a brand new Happisack for less than a 
brand new price, gimme a holler. I've never used the dang thing and I don't see 
that changing this year so maybe you can. Check me at:

joeremi62 gmail com
or text 415 786 4623

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[RBW] FS: Swift Industires Polaris Porteur Bag

[Jim S.]

This bag can be used in lieu of a basket and a bag, although I think you 
want a platform larger than a Mark's rack. 

Condition is almost new. I don't believe I've ever used it. 

Here's a link to photos:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/EecGi4Pb16GQYa379

Here's a detailed review from the Lovely-Bicycle lady:

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-look-at-swift-polaris-porteur-bag.html

Price is $150 shipped.


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[RBW] Velocity dyad wheelset, other small parts

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Stem and front derailleur have sold.

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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hi Doug,

Thanks for your reply.

It's interesting, because a lot of long wheelbase bikes have too much rake 
up front, which makes the front feel kind of sloggy. The new Atlantis has a 
tight enough rake, just a long rear end, and so it still feels relatively 
agile. Very cleverly done.

What is the max tire size on your older Atlantis with fenders? I've seen 
those and they look so nice. There's an amazing black one for sale right 
now on eBay. 

The crank is a New Albion w/ 42T.  Actually, it comes stock as a 42/33 but 
I just took off the small chainring. It's great because it has a bash guard 
built in (you have to flip the guard around if you want to run it as a 1x 
to give more clearance) and also because it's really a Sugino crank (comes 
out of the same mold as the XD2 I think). If you use a 36/12 cassette as a 
1x9 or 1x10 you're pretty much dialed unless you're really mountain biking 
crazy rough terrain. You can get it from Soma.

Paul





On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:48:57 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:

> Paul:
>
> BTW, the 1 x 10 is not unusual.  If it does what you need done, it's right 
> for you.  Long ago, Grant said something to the effect that a bike frame 
> was just a place to hang all the parts you need for what you want to do 
> with your bike.  I doubt there are too many Rivendells out there that are 
> duplicates.
>
> What chainguard are you using?  It gives the bike a nice, clean look.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:46:18 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>>
>> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share it. 
>> *What 
>> does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>>
>> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes me 
>> happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
>> conversation is the result.
>>
>> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 1x10 
>> SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
>> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
>> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
>> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
>> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
>> super-comfy.
>>
>> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The 
>> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast, 
>> like much smaller tires. 
>>
>> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon request.
>>
>> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne for 
>> a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
>> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
>> when I do.)
>>
>> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> [image: 1.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Ray Varella]

That’s a bummer. 

Most hardware stores sell foam pipe covers designed for insulating water pipes. 
They are split along their length. 
I use them whenever I ship a bike or frame. 
They can be used many times over and are easily secured with zip ties. 
Bubble wrap is another option. 
It might be worth putting a kit together since you transport your bikes often 
enough. 


Ray

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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Beautiful bike, I like how you've set it up

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>
> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share it. 
> *What 
> does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>
> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes me 
> happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
> conversation is the result.
>
> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 1x10 
> SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
> super-comfy.
>
> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The 
> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast, 
> like much smaller tires. 
>
> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon request.
>
> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne for 
> a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
> when I do.)
>
> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 
>
> Paul
>
> [image: 1.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[George Schick]

Couple of tips for traveling with bikes on racks:

1) Wrap the upper and lower headset bearings with something like Saran 
Wrap.  This keeps the grease from being blown out of the headset while 
traveling at highway speeds.

2) After you've mounted the bikes on the rack where you want them, move 'em 
back and forth to see how they interact with each other.  Where there is 
contact, insulate those areas with something like the soft foam stuff you 
find in packages of fruit, etc.  Then use some string - cheap stuff like 
binder twine (this should be familiar to someone who grew up on a farm) 
that you can discard - to hold them in place.

3) Never mind how wonderful the maker of a saddle cover says his product 
is, put something like a thin plastic grocery sack (making sure it has no 
holes!) over the saddle first, then the cover.  It may not look so great 
that way, but it'll go a long way to better ensure that your saddles will 
arrive dry.

4) You may need some bungie cords of different lengths to lash the bikes 
together to keep things from moving.  The front wheels, for example, like 
to flop back and forth at highway speeds, wreaking all sorts of havoc.

 Sorry about the damage.  We wish you would have asked us first :-( 


On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
> old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
> and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[☆ Paul ☆]

Hi Joel.  

It's a 53cm, actually.

I'm 5' 11" with a 34-ish PBH (longer torso). Fits me really well. 

I suppose the next size up would have worked as well, I'd just have to have 
used a shorter stem and you'd see less seatpost... but I wanted 650B wheels 
— I dislike fat tires on 29'er wheels, too hard to get moving at a 
stoplight.   

That's a 120mm long nitto stem on there right now!

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:46:04 PM UTC-4 Joel Stern wrote:

> Paul, is that a 52 or 54? I am curious about your PBH and what size you 
> went for, and it looks like the top of the step is equal to the saddle. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>>
>> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share it. 
>> *What 
>> does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>>
>> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes me 
>> happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
>> conversation is the result.
>>
>> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 1x10 
>> SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
>> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
>> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
>> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
>> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
>> super-comfy.
>>
>> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The 
>> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast, 
>> like much smaller tires. 
>>
>> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon request.
>>
>> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne for 
>> a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
>> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
>> when I do.)
>>
>> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> [image: 1.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Patrick Moore]

More about the Carradice SQR system: I works well to hold regular (and not
just the purpose-designed Super C Slim) transverse saddlebags higher than
the rear of the saddle (tho' your have to be aware that you'll need to lift
your leg higher when you swing it over the saddle, in case that is a
problem). I'd guess you get up to 3" of additional lift over the tire
compared to strapping it to Brooks slots -- note of course that the
bag-holding device is far more vertical than that built in to the Super C
Slim. I've used it with the Camper and the Nelson and the Junior to hold
the top of the bag above the rear of the saddle. However, I'm not sure if
it works well with the flatter, more horizontal Rivendell design. Perhaps
others can address this?

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:07 PM Max Diener  wrote:

> Thanks for all of the replies here; this is a very helpful community.
>
> I tend to agree the Nitto rack could make a great solution--I just don't
> know that I'm trying to spend that kind of money right now!
>
> Now I find myself in a pickle because I could have sworn that I measured
> 13" between top of tire and saddle loops when I was last with my bike, but
> I'm currently on an somewhat extended vacation to in laws and can't confirm
> because the bike in question is not with me. Something about the 13" number
> was nagging at me, so I started to do some napkin math:
>
> I am (about to) run Rat Trap Pass tires, which I read have an outer
> diameter when inflated of 67.5cm, so let's round that up to 68cm, and the
> frame has virtually zero BB drop. If I take half of that value, 34cm, as
> the starting height for my crank center and use RBW's Saddle Height of 78cm
> (with their formula based on my PBH of 89cm--which I think is close to how
> my bike is set up), I land at the saddle being roughly 112cm over the
> ground. This would give me a gap between seat loops (112cm) and tire (68cm)
> of 44cm, or 17in...much more substantial than I originally was remembering.
>
> Anyone care to poke a hole in that math? I feel like a crazy person
> writing that all out.
>
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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[dougP]

Paul:

Great to hear you're enjoying your ride.  The current Atlantis is the most 
comfortable one yet.  

Short history:  Toyo built the Atlantis for a long time, and while it was 
updated a bit here'n'there, it was mostly things like adding braze-ons & 
minor running changes.  A few years ago (I'm a bit vague on exactly when) 
production moved to Waterford.  At that point, the chainstays got just a 
bit longer.  Not so much as to be obvious but for a while there was a geo 
chart for that version & the differences were subtle.  The MIT version was 
a major change to significantly longer chainstays.  

I have an '03 58 cm Atlantis that I simply love, and have put thousands of 
miles on in the last 17 years.  A couple of years ago, I was at RBWHQ and 
took a ride on the current (MIT) version and was simply amazed.  The ride 
was noticeably more cushy.  We did some trails close to the shop and the 
bike handled as well as mine on single track (Note:  I'm not an aggressive 
off-roader).  You've really got the best of both worlds.  Another benefit 
to the longer wheelbase is if you run rear panniers more of the weight is 
forward of the rear axle for a more stable ride.  I also think that space 
between the seat tube and the rear wheel just begs for a frame bag.  

I toyed with the idea of upgrading to the new design, but felt guilty about 
abandoning an old friend who has serve me so well.  

dougP

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:46:18 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>
> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share it. 
> *What 
> does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>
> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes me 
> happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
> conversation is the result.
>
> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 1x10 
> SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
> super-comfy.
>
> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The 
> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast, 
> like much smaller tires. 
>
> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon request.
>
> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne for 
> a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
> when I do.)
>
> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 
>
> Paul
>
> [image: 1.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Introduction and "Classic" Roadini

[Brady Smith]

Love the bike, and good to see a fellow Iowan on this list. I live in NJ now 
and while we have some great cycling I do miss the miles and miles of quiet 
country roads. 

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[RBW] Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.

I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
(now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.

You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really do. 
This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to get 3 
Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three of 4 
of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.

So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
provide the photos and explanations in the next post...


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This is the perfect bag to mount to your Jones H-Bar.

Very little use, very good condition.

Here are photos:

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[RBW] Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[True Golden]

I bought a Rivendell Road back in 1999.
I wish I still had it.
Around a year later I lamented to Grant it had slipped while leaning on the 
corner of my house and slipped down said corner leaving an inch or so scrape on 
the top tube.
He responded something to the effect,'He considered putting a scratch on each 
frame b4 shipping so people wouldn't obsess about a scrape on a new bike, that 
they are meant to be ridden and beausage happens.'
That is not a quote but you get the gist of it.
That said,  it still bummed me for a while.
About 12 years ago I had a friend and co-worker that had a Riv inspired Heron 
in pristine shape he kept in his house.
His cat knocked over something on a shelf that fell on his Heron scraping it.
He wasted no time getting a local bike builder to restore it like new.
In the grand scheme it was minor as a genetic heart issue ended his life around 
age 60.
My advice , polish up what you can , dont sweat the small stuff and enjoy each 
ride.
Those pipe wraps are a great idea.
Also if overnighting at a motel,  camp ground etc, I would have multiple locks 
on the bikes or carry them inside which you probably do.
God's protection to you and your family for safe travels and safe riding.
Paul in Dallas





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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

It’s a great looking bike.  I don’t like 26” wheels either but love 659b.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:14 PM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:

> Hi Joel.
>
> It's a 53cm, actually.
>
> I'm 5' 11" with a 34-ish PBH (longer torso). Fits me really well.
>
> I suppose the next size up would have worked as well, I'd just have to
> have used a shorter stem and you'd see less seatpost... but I wanted 650B
> wheels — I dislike fat tires on 29'er wheels, too hard to get moving at a
> stoplight. 
>
> That's a 120mm long nitto stem on there right now!
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:46:04 PM UTC-4 Joel Stern wrote:
>
>> Paul, is that a 52 or 54? I am curious about your PBH and what size you
>> went for, and it looks like the top of the step is equal to the saddle.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:46:18 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>>>
>>> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share
>>> it. *What does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>>>
>>> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes
>>> me happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and
>>> conversation is the result.
>>>
>>> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a
>>> 1x10 SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The
>>> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed
>>> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened
>>> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil
>>> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already
>>> super-comfy.
>>>
>>> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The
>>> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast,
>>> like much smaller tires.
>>>
>>> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon
>>> request.
>>>
>>> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne
>>> for a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a
>>> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post
>>> when I do.)
>>>
>>> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> [image: 1.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[James Valiensi]

I like watching my mountain bikes get marks due to wear. But hated to see them 
get bang up because of mishandling them. Grind a layer of paint off the chain 
stays from a muddy ride - cool. Drop the bike for no reason and band up a grip 
- not cool.

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Scott McLain  wrote:
> 
> I bought Dave's old root beer AHH.  It came to me with a lot of beausage, but 
> no dents.  I bought it assuming I would get it repainted.  I haven't done it. 
>  It takes a lot of pressure off that it has lots of beausage.  The principal 
> of beausage has changed my life.  I did find some clear protectant to make 
> sure my bike didn't rust where the paint is missing. 
> 
> My kids all know about beausage now.  I rarely buy something that I would not 
> be able to handle it being dinged.  
> 
> Except for my Martin HD-28.  That stays in the case.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:08:50 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the old 
> 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, and 
> Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
> 
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come back 
> to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught in a 
> rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I always 
> notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts or inside 
> the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking together on 
> the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year I drove to a 
> shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the bikes were 
> completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy (now sold) had 
> a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of the rack had 
> mashed the cable into the paint.
> 
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really do. 
> This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to get 3 
> Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three of 4 of 
> the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
> 
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll provide 
> the photos and explanations in the next post...
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Joel: I guess you meant to say that you don't like 29" tires? Excuse if I
misread.

Here's what I've found after comparing the very light, very short,
24.8"-tall, ~28 mm wide, Elk Pass-shod wheels on my 26" wheel road bikes
with the 29.6"-tall, 60 mm-wide tires on my dirt road bike: at least with
very light Velocity Blunt SS rims and very, *very* light Schwalbe Big Ones,
there is surprisingly less difference than you might expect when
accelerating from a standstill; and note: I don't gear down at stops; I
stand and torque.

Patrick Moore, who has more than once before figured he could just fit a
26" wheel Atlantis -- by preference! -- in ABQ, NM.




On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:46 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> It’s a great looking bike.  I don’t like 26” wheels either but love 659b.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:14 PM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel.
>>
>> It's a 53cm, actually.
>>
>> I'm 5' 11" with a 34-ish PBH (longer torso). Fits me really well.
>>
>> I suppose the next size up would have worked as well, I'd just have to
>> have used a shorter stem and you'd see less seatpost... but I wanted 650B
>> wheels — I dislike fat tires on 29'er wheels, too hard to get moving at a
>> stoplight. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Introduction and "Classic" Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

Another pretty orange bike. Welcome, and kudos on the nice build.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:46 AM Jim Plaugher 
wrote:

> Hi folks! I'd like to properly introduce myself and tell the story of my
> first Rivendell, a 58 Roadini.
>  I have been a long time listener to this group, but for many years,
> bicycling has meant commutng year round in the midwest, on my modified Fuji
> MTB, a bike I used think had a long wheelbase! As a Rivendell member in the
> days when the "Reader" was on paper, I enjoyed  Grant's writings
> celebrating the practicalness of bikes, usefulness of saddlebags and his
> encouragement to prioritize comfort. I enjoy reading all of Grant's
> writings and I enjoy reading the posts to this group. You are all so
> expressive with words! I hope it rubs off on me, as I would like to be
> better at writing.
> For the last year I have been living in North East Iowa on top of a bluff
> with 2.5 miles of a steep gravel road before I hit the scenic paved highway
> along the Mississippi River. So the Roadini in the picture is nice and
> clean as it is not my first choice when I head out the door. 26X2.00 feels
> safer to me than 700X35C on the gravel. But the Leo is really nice to ride,
> once on the highway!
> I am sentimental about some bike components and often remember the history
> of parts I have traded. This bike has a Phil Wood front hub my family gave
> me for Christmas.The rear is a 40H first generation Phil freewheel hub with
> radial lacing on the none-drive side. It came from trading parts from a
> Peugeot PX1O. I gave up the sewup wheels in favor of parts,I considered to
> be more practical. The  noodle bars and the Shimano 600 cranks also came
> from the Peugeot. So now I have a bike with a frame from Rivendell, not
> just various parts. I enjoy experiencing the Rivendell design through
> riding, and not just reading! I hope to contrbute to conversations in the
> future.
> Jim in Lansing Iowa
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[RBW] Re: My New Atlantis

[dougP]

Paul:

BTW, the 1 x 10 is not unusual.  If it does what you need done, it's right 
for you.  Long ago, Grant said something to the effect that a bike frame 
was just a place to hang all the parts you need for what you want to do 
with your bike.  I doubt there are too many Rivendells out there that are 
duplicates.

What chainguard are you using?  It gives the bike a nice, clean look.

dougP

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:46:18 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone. I'm new-is here.
>
> Almost finished building up my new Atlantis MIT and thought I'd share it. 
> *What 
> does MIT stand for, anyway?*
>
> Finally coming to the realization that a really upright geometry makes me 
> happiest. Being a bit slower, I force my friends to slow down too and 
> conversation is the result.
>
> A little bit unconventionally for a Rivendell (I think?) I mounted a 1x10 
> SRAM drivetrain, which works brilliantly on this frame. Also took The 
> Deacon's advice and put the lovely Berthoud Mente saddle on, and committed 
> to ride the brick till it's comfortable... but a few days ago I chickened 
> out and dunked it in a bucket of warm water and put on lots of mink oil 
> (scary advice from the Internet, but WTF)... and it worked! Already 
> super-comfy.
>
> Still waiting on VO fenders, and a Nitto seatpost to match the stem. The 
> new G-One Speed tires are amazing, these are 50C and they roll so fast, 
> like much smaller tires. 
>
> Having trouble posting more than one image, will put-up more upon request.
>
> (PS: I finished a very similar build on a twin-top-tube Sam Hillborne for 
> a charity auction, and I ended up buying it myself, long story. It's a 
> little too big and I may put up for sale at some point soon... will post 
> when I do.)
>
> I love the positivity on this forum. Much love to everyone, 
>
> Paul
>
> [image: 1.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Patrick Moore]

This is very good advice.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:32 PM True Golden  wrote:

> I bought a Rivendell Road back in 1999.
>
> I wish I still had it.
>
> Around a year later I lamented to Grant it had slipped while leaning on
> the corner of my house and slipped down said corner leaving an inch or so
> scrape on the top tube.
>
> He responded something to the effect,
> 'He considered putting a scratch on each frame b4 shipping so people
> wouldn't obsess about a scrape on a new bike, that they are meant to be
> ridden and beausage happens.'
>
> That is not a quote but you get the gist of it.
>
> That said,  it still bummed me for a while.
>
> About 12 years ago I had a friend and co-worker that had a Riv inspired
> Heron in pristine shape he kept in his house.
>
> His cat knocked over something on a shelf that fell on his Heron scraping
> it.
>
> He wasted no time getting a local bike builder to restore it like new.
>
> In the grand scheme it was minor as a genetic heart issue ended his life
> around age 60.
>
> My advice , polish up what you can , dont sweat the small stuff and enjoy
> each ride.
>
> Those pipe wraps are a great idea.
>
> Also if overnighting at a motel,  camp ground etc, I would have multiple
> locks on the bikes or carry them inside which you probably do.
>
> God's protection to you and your family for safe travels and safe riding.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Max Diener]

Thanks for all of the replies here; this is a very helpful community. 

I tend to agree the Nitto rack could make a great solution--I just don't 
know that I'm trying to spend that kind of money right now!

Now I find myself in a pickle because I could have sworn that I measured 
13" between top of tire and saddle loops when I was last with my bike, but 
I'm currently on an somewhat extended vacation to in laws and can't confirm 
because the bike in question is not with me. Something about the 13" number 
was nagging at me, so I started to do some napkin math:

I am (about to) run Rat Trap Pass tires, which I read have an outer 
diameter when inflated of 67.5cm, so let's round that up to 68cm, and the 
frame has virtually zero BB drop. If I take half of that value, 34cm, as 
the starting height for my crank center and use RBW's Saddle Height of 78cm 
(with their formula based on my PBH of 89cm--which I think is close to how 
my bike is set up), I land at the saddle being roughly 112cm over the 
ground. This would give me a gap between seat loops (112cm) and tire (68cm) 
of 44cm, or 17in...much more substantial than I originally was remembering.

Anyone care to poke a hole in that math? I feel like a crazy person writing 
that all out. 

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Ryan M.]

I remember the Bomba being marketed pretty heavily with the old style 
mustache bars, which I'm sure would work great on a Hunq frame too. 

I was very close to buying both a Bomba and a Hunq at different times and 
did a bunch of research about those frames (I still think the Hunqapillar 
headbadge is the best headbage) and the handlebar I always thought I would 
stick on it would be the Bullmoose bars. I never did pony up the cashola to 
get one of those frames and instead wound up now with an Appaloosa with a 
Bullmoose bar. Lol. 

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>
> It's all good John, we're all here to shoot the breeze about bikes !  
>
> As I recall, and you know how recollections can go  The Bomba was 
> apparently, according to Grant, one of if not the most expensive Riv frames 
> to build. The H frame is a response to make it more appealing costwise for 
> more riders. Yes, the geo changed somewhat, less stack and reach, but the 
> whys and whats of that only Grant knows. If you can catch him at a not so 
> busy time, I'm sure he'd love to talk about it over the phone. This, from 
> someone who loves to talk on the phone for the lively, direct and immediate 
> interactions. 
>
> Garth !
>
>
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[RBW] More on the Chauncey Matthews replacement for the 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road

[Patrick Moore]

I picked up the new fixed gear wheel Saturday and rode it today; first
fixed ride on this frame, same 70" gear as before. The new frame seems to
make it easier to climb seated while torquing hard-ish-ly at relatively
low-ish cadences.

New bike, same parts and wheels: 24.98 lb with AM hub and single 18 t cog
and shifting cable assembly; 23.9 lb with Surly fixed wheel with 17/19
Dingle and 18 t Shimano fw on flip side. Same build otherwise. Basically a
lb lighter than the 2003 Curt. It's not the lb that counts, it's that the
tubing seems to hold me back less.

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and kudos for the very, very nice saddle-to-bar drop!!!

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Lovely! That early Ram orange inspired my own choice of Molteni orange for
> a to-be-refurbished early '70s road frame (which, incidentally, will take
> slightly wider tires than even my erstwhile blue-paint-era Ram).
>
> Just how wide are the tires pictured?
>
> Man! When I see firm dirt surfaces like those shown, I seethe with envy.
> 'Round heah, the soil is very sandy -- ex-river-silt -- so that anything
> under 50 mm -- and 60 is far better than 50 -- is a lost cause, at least in
> high, dry-soil summer. I'd love to equip a road bike with 38 mm tires and
> ride it on firm dirt. As it is, I have the 60 mm (actual) Matthews and,
> well, the new (26") 42 mm Matthews for cold weather, hard surface, off
> pavement riding.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:47 PM christian poppell 
> wrote:
>
>> Purchased this Ram last year with the intent for it to be a road bike but
>> found that I enjoy riding it off road as well! Got in a good loop through
>> the Berkeley hills, 14 mi and 2,1000' climbing. Nice way to spend a few
>> hours on a Saturday, even if that includes changing a flat.
>>
>> Christian
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-7, Grady Wright wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks! It's a 60cm. I'm using the Sycip JJJ Bar and the Silver 2
>>> shifters.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 12 July 2020 13:41:30 UTC-6, J Schwartz wrote:

 Very nice build
 Is that a 54cm or a 57cm?  Albatross bars? and what are you using for
 shifters there?

 On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-4, Grady Wright wrote:
>
> Finally built up my Appaloosa! it's as good as I remember it being
> when I tested one at RivBike.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Randi Jo Fabrications Jeff 'n Joan's Bag, Flannel Blanket

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

Hey Jim, I'm interested in your Jeff 'n Joan's Bag. I can't reply privately 
to you, so this will have to do.

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 2:27:20 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:

> This is the perfect bag to mount to your Jones H-Bar.
>
> Very little use, very good condition.
>
> Here are photos:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZkWDTXNHJYouTcu16
>
> Here's a product description:
>
> https://www.randijofab.com/collections/bags/products/jeffs-joans-bar-bag
>
> Price is $65 shipped.
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Re: [RBW] Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Joe Bernard]

Oh Leah, you break my poor anti-beausage heart. I must look away! 

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[RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If you'd settle for the previous generation large SaddleSack, in Olive (!), 
I have a barely used one. I don't commute anymore and have a grocery store 
in sight of my house. If I go to Trader Joe's, I use a medium Saddle Sack 
(thanks to Joe!) and pannier(s) if need be.
Let me know if you are interested! (And, note that you get two more pockets 
AND a detachable pouch than with the current model.)

You probably don't want to combine a Sackville of either generation or 
size, with the Carradice supports. The deeper Expedition model, like the 
Sport, has an upturned end and it doesn't play well with the flat bottom of 
the Sackvilles. The Carradice bags don't have flat bottoms.

The Erlen shape would be better but it would be forced to carry all the 
weight and movement of your load because it is not dropped low enough to 
put weight on the saddle loops of such a tall bag.

The Nitto bag supports do look less "racklike" when the struts are 
connected to the seat stays of your bike
How about a Nitto R-10?
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-r10-rear-rack/rear_mount_rack_nitto__870-801-11/product

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

PS. I also have a never used Carradice Expedition QR if anyone has an 
interest I sold the Carradice Super C bag I bought it for and as above, 
the Sackvilles won't sit nicely on it.


On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:42:53 AM UTC-7, Max Diener wrote:
>
> I am really interested in buying a Sackville Baggabond (their current 
> large) Saddlebag, but also really would like to run it on a bike with no 
> rack.
>
 

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[RBW] Re: Your Favorite Adhesive for Riv Cork Grips???

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Brian, 

   Do you mean the clear Gorilla Glue, or the clear Gorilla Super Glue. The 
super glue says it only gives you 10-45 seconds of working time.

Thanks,

John

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:55:07 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Piece of cloth tape on the handle bar and some Gorilla brand Super Glue. 
> Not the kind the expands as it dries. 
>
> On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:19:26 PM UTC-4, John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>   Do you have a favorite adhesive you use to keep them from rotating?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Scott McLain]

I bought Dave's old root beer AHH.  It came to me with a lot of beausage, 
but no dents.  I bought it assuming I would get it repainted.  I haven't 
done it.  It takes a lot of pressure off that it has lots of beausage.  The 
principal of beausage has changed my life.  I did find some clear 
protectant to make sure my bike didn't rust where the paint is missing. 

My kids all know about beausage now.  I rarely buy something that I would 
not be able to handle it being dinged.  

Except for my Martin HD-28.  That stays in the case.

Scott





On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:08:50 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Every year I point the van north and drive from Vegas to small town North 
> Dakota, and the lakes country of Minnesota. And every year I drag 3-4 bikes 
> along with us on a Saris rack. I’ve gone through several different bikes in 
> the past several years (the kids are growing, I switched to That Clem Life, 
> etc) so I’ve never found an exact formula to make the bikes fit perfectly. 
> This year I hauled my new ln 52 cm Clementine (2019 geo), the 
> old 1st gen 52 cm blue Clem H, #theClemRider’s  little 45 cm 2018 Clem H, 
> and Baby Bear’s 24 inch Specialized Hot Rock.
>
> I never regret bringing my bikes, but I do admit I lament that they come 
> back to Vegas in poorer condition than when they left. We always get caught 
> in a rainstorm at some point, and usually more than once. After that I 
> always notice creaking where there hadn’t been, rust on the heads of bolts 
> or inside the braze-ons. I usually have new scuffs from the bikes knocking 
> together on the rack, dirt and grit where I hadn’t had it before. One year 
> I drove to a shooting range on 20 miles’ worth of gravel roads and the 
> bikes were completely trashed at a level you can’t fathom. The Betty Foy 
> (now sold) had a permanent ugly mark on the top tube where the arm bar of 
> the rack had mashed the cable into the paint.
>
> You would think I would learn and get this dialed in but I never really 
> do. This year was really something - when was the last time you tried to 
> get 3 Rivendells with Bosco bars on a rack? Boscos don’t play nicely. Three 
> of 4 of the bikes had baskets, and all 4 had racks. Yeah, nightmare.
>
> So, this vacation I have discovered new ways to damage my bikes. I’ll 
> provide the photos and explanations in the next post...
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

[Garth]

It's all good John, we're all here to shoot the breeze about bikes !  

As I recall, and you know how recollections can go  The Bomba was 
apparently, according to Grant, one of if not the most expensive Riv frames 
to build. The H frame is a response to make it more appealing costwise for 
more riders. Yes, the geo changed somewhat, less stack and reach, but the 
whys and whats of that only Grant knows. If you can catch him at a not so 
busy time, I'm sure he'd love to talk about it over the phone. This, from 
someone who loves to talk on the phone for the lively, direct and immediate 
interactions. 

Garth !


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Re: [RBW] Re: Was the Hunqapillar designed for Albatross bars?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Jay, 

Funny thing, after my last post, I thought to myself, "I'll bet Jay's 
kid gave him that bell."

There's absolutely no better kind of bell, bar none! (pun intended) ;)  
You're a lucky dad!

John

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 12:16:26 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> The Pass and Stow rack is great - the weak link is the basket and its high 
> center of gravity. I’ve probably carried 15-20# with no issues, and I 
> wouldn’t hesitate to carry more than that in lowrider panniers. 
>
> I’m glad you noticed the Rat Fink bell. My youngest daughter gave it to me 
> as a birthday present when she was 6 or so - it has a lot of sentimental 
> value to me. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:58 AM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
>   Thanks Jay! Nice set up, you've got a lifetime's worth of hand positions 
> there!
>
> How much can you carry on your Pass & Stow rack without the load taking 
> over the handling?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> PS: Cool bike bell!
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[RBW] Re: (Large) Sackville Saddlebag without a Rack?

[Max Diener]

Whoops. Totally forgot to factor in that the saddle height is at a 70 degree 
angle. That puts me much closer to 12" between saddle and tire with my napkin 
math and if I'm remembering sohcahtoa right...

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[Patrick Moore]

Lovely! That early Ram orange inspired my own choice of Molteni orange for
a to-be-refurbished early '70s road frame (which, incidentally, will take
slightly wider tires than even my erstwhile blue-paint-era Ram).

Just how wide are the tires pictured?

Man! When I see firm dirt surfaces like those shown, I seethe with envy.
'Round heah, the soil is very sandy -- ex-river-silt -- so that anything
under 50 mm -- and 60 is far better than 50 -- is a lost cause, at least in
high, dry-soil summer. I'd love to equip a road bike with 38 mm tires and
ride it on firm dirt. As it is, I have the 60 mm (actual) Matthews and,
well, the new (26") 42 mm Matthews for cold weather, hard surface, off
pavement riding.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:47 PM christian poppell  wrote:

> Purchased this Ram last year with the intent for it to be a road bike but
> found that I enjoy riding it off road as well! Got in a good loop through
> the Berkeley hills, 14 mi and 2,1000' climbing. Nice way to spend a few
> hours on a Saturday, even if that includes changing a flat.
>
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-7, Grady Wright wrote:
>>
>> Thanks! It's a 60cm. I'm using the Sycip JJJ Bar and the Silver 2
>> shifters.
>>
>> On Sunday, 12 July 2020 13:41:30 UTC-6, J Schwartz wrote:
>>>
>>> Very nice build
>>> Is that a 54cm or a 57cm?  Albatross bars? and what are you using for
>>> shifters there?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-4, Grady Wright wrote:

 Finally built up my Appaloosa! it's as good as I remember it being when
 I tested one at RivBike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I Regret: Beausage on Vacation

[Joe Bernard]

One of my favorite things about Rivendell is they make not-cheap frames with 
gorgeous paint jobs, then tell you to scratch 'em up. 

The Clem was supposed to be the anti-pretty Riv with flat black paint you could 
touch up with a rattle can. They couldn't bring themselves to do it! 

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[RBW] This is second time this happened and I am seriously annoyed. And I would like help to see this doesn't happen again.

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So I am minding my own business, out for my evening ride on my Appaloosa, 
when the saddle came off.  I didn't crash but it was not fun.  The bolt was 
completely sheared off.  But the weird thing is, the same thing happened to 
me a year ago.  Any idea as to why this keeps happening?  The saddle is a 
Brooks 67.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks C17 saddle, brown

[Jim S.]

bump. $70 shipped.

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 11:11:29 AM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Very very slight use. The rails show that it has been mounted.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/iqGeUMQY32Pd9abr8
>
> $78 plus $10 shipping.
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