Re: CS>Are my posts being seen?

[Pat K.]

I see your posts.
-Pat

> On Oct 3, 2021, at 5:47 PM, hanan bissar  wrote:
> 
> I posted earlier but did not see it in the archives. Please let me know if 
> you see this post.
> 
> ~Hanan 


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Re: CS>Laboratories in US can't find Covid-19 in one of 1,500 positive tests

[Pat K.]

Thank you!


> On Sep 5, 2021, at 10:09 AM, ntwaddell  wrote:
> 
> Likely the British format
> The date is Apr 11th 2021.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
> 
> ---- Original message 
> From: "Pat K." 
> Date: 9/5/21 07:53 (GMT-05:00)
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Laboratories in US can't find Covid-19 in one of 1,500 
> positive tests
> 
> Why is that article dated November 2021?
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, T. J. Garland > <mailto:ironguard...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> https://greatreject.org/laboratories-cant-find-covid-19-in-positive-tests/ 
>> <https://greatreject.org/laboratories-cant-find-covid-19-in-positive-tests/>
>> 
>> Your mask is as useful as Biden.   Anon
> 

Re: CS>Laboratories in US can't find Covid-19 in one of 1,500 positive tests

[Pat K.]

Why is that article dated November 2021?

> On Sep 4, 2021, at 7:41 PM, T. J. Garland  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://greatreject.org/laboratories-cant-find-covid-19-in-positive-tests/
> 
> 
> Your mask is as useful as Biden.   Anon

Re: CS>

[Pat K.]

Thank you! She really was very annoying and shouldn’t be on a list with natural 
minded people.
-Pat

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Neville Munn  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Smitty, I blocked her/him/it/them so the SilverList will remain.
> 
> N.

Re: CS>Suramin the Covid Vaccine Antidote | As per Dr.Judy Mikovits Ph.D. - Holisticgear

[Pat K.]

So stop fooling with us losers and please just go away.

> On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:21 PM, Cyndiann Phillips  wrote:
> 
> I'd like to see some intelligence here but when all you have is name calling 
> it means you can't defend yourself. Why I fool with losers who don't have 
> enough sense to keep their own families safe is the real question. 
> 
> By intentional ignoring science, putting friends and family in danger as if 
> you don't know how a virus works, by fighting  kids wearing masks in schools 
> and letting politicians decide science instead of scientists you condemn 
> every one you love to serious illness and death. That's abuse and neglect. 
> 
> You are killing people over rumors just to be right.
> 
> Why are you on a colloidal silver list when you are so oblivious to basic 
> science? 
> 
> I've been called a lot of things without cause. Accused of being paid to 
> troll. You all are so out there, out of touch and dangerous to everyone 
> around you.
> 
> Go find your little club with the other science deniars and leave this list 
> be.
> 
> One day your families will hate you for what you've done. As if we need more 
> hate in the world. 
> 
> I will never step back when I can see how dangerous you are to the ones you 
> love. They won't either if they are still alive. You have made my life more 
> dangerous since I know about half the unmasked in stores are just as 
> delusional. 
> 
> This virus wouldn't be here killing more innocents if not for you lovers. Be 
> proud at the damage you cause. Idiots.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 1:04 PM Rick  > wrote:
> I'd like to see Chicken Little talk to all the parents of children who have 
> been severely harmed or killed by these shots and others claiming to keep 
> them healthy. I'd like to see her talk to the Dr. Richard Malone creator of 
> mRNA technology who said that this isn't right and we should not accept these 
> shots. I'd love to see her in an interview with Dr. Judy Mikovits
> herself! 
> 
> Just one person of substance who Chicken Little puts down because of what the 
> mass media and the newly funded Bill Gates crony fact-checkers who discredit 
> them with lies said on TV or in other owned mass media outlets have 
> said...These are people I'd like to see her have an open discussion with. 
> Why? because she can only parrot the lies we are being told from those 
> sources. And because Truths are not easily dismissed when you have the 
> irrefutable facts right in front of you (U.S. patent filings for the man-made 
> pandemics, victim testimonies, actual creator of the very technology being 
> used, etc, etc, etc).
> 
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:47 PM Richard Atkinson  > wrote:
> Cyndiann , you really do make the most ridiculous statements !!
> How is Judy making money out of any of us 
> By speaking the truth ?
> Richard Atkinson
> atomicsil...@gmail.com 
> The Chaos Oasis 
> Belize
> 
> facebook 
> instagram 
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 1:24 AM, Cyndiann Phillips > > wrote:
>> 
>> Dr.Judy Mikovits is a liar and is making money off you all.
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:51 PM T. J. Garland > > wrote:
>> 
>> https://holisticgear.com/suramin-the-covid-vaccine-antidote-as-per-dr-judy-mikovits-phd/
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for a few good men to do 
>> nothing. Edmund Burke
> 

Re: CS>Silver-List way forward

[Pat K.]

Thank you!
Pat

> On Jul 30, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Tony Moody  wrote:
> 
> Hallo Folks,
> 
> Yesterday I spoke to Mike Devour who is alive and well and sounds happy. 
> 
> Among other things, he has endorsed our proposed move of this list, Mikes 
> Silver List, from  <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> to 
>  "The Silver List", https://groups.io/g/silverlist 
> <https://groups.io/g/silverlist> .  So I'm not hijacking this list; but we 
> will be going to a safer place with plenty tools for group management and for 
> moderation of members. Nenah Sylver is also a group Owner and has taken on 
> the task of Membership. Mike Devour is already a member and has Moderator 
> status.  (Mike did not wish to be an owner of the new group at the time he 
> joined, a year ago.)
> 
> At present the new group has 52 members who have joined from here (including 
> us 3 Owner Moderators).
> 
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> which ruined my concentration.  
> 
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Re: CS>Published Proof Allicin Can Kill Cancer Cells

[Jim & Pat Steinle]

He ate the garlic raw.  Up until the last year or two before his death in Dec. 
2020 he would bow hunt in the mountains of Oregon for elk and cougar.  His name 
will be entered into the Minn. Archery Hall of Fame this year.

From: Robert Banever
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 7:29 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Published Proof Allicin Can Kill Cancer Cells

That's interesting.  Did he eat it raw or cooked?


  -Original Message-
  From: Jim & Pat Steinle
  Sent: Feb 17, 2021 9:16 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>Published Proof Allicin Can Kill Cancer Cells


  That was an interesting report on Allicin (from garlic).  My wife’s uncle 
just died a few weeks ago just shy of his 100th birthday.  For years he would 
daily eat 9 cloves of garlic on a slice of bread (along with his daily brandy 
of course).  And we never smelled it on him either.  Now, throw in a little CS 
with that...



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Re: CS>Published Proof Allicin Can Kill Cancer Cells

[Jim & Pat Steinle]

That was an interesting report on Allicin (from garlic).  My wife’s uncle just 
died a few weeks ago just shy of his 100th birthday.  For years he would daily 
eat 9 cloves of garlic on a slice of bread (along with his daily brandy of 
course).  And we never smelled it on him either.  Now, throw in a little CS 
with that...

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To: Robert Dotson ; Ralph Petersen ; silver-list@eskimo.com ; Carol Bridge ; 
David Stanley ; Andrew Garland ; Elisabeth Winkler ; Eddie Terry
Subject: CS>Published Proof Allicin Can Kill Cancer Cells


https://rense.com/general96/allicin-anticancer-paper.php



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Re: CS>Make your own HCQ

[Jim & Pat Steinle]

A very interesting website, the americanloons.blogspot. com.  Reading the 
comments following the article, a person finds both pro and con ideas and 
beliefs.  The website or blogspot itself I found publishes on many people and 
subjects, and appears to be written by those who, if one dares say it, are of a 
critical belief in natural health products and even those who have some 
religious belief system.  So it certainly is possible the HCQ recipe could be 
useless – or maybe not.  I find most Medical associations including Mayo use 
scare tactics in warning about CS.  So I don’t trust them either, at least in 
connection with products that I have used and found good results in like CS.  
It may just be possible  the HCQ recipe could help the zinc get in to destroy 
the virus.
James Steinle

From: Cyndiann Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 3:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Make your own HCQ

This lady?
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/02/919-betty-martini.html


Martini has of course no expertise in any relevant field. She refers to herself 
as “Dr. Martini”, but this is based on an honorary Doctor of Humanities degree 
awarded by an unaccredited religious institution. Her claims have nevertheless 
been widely distributed, partly on the basis of an infamous chain e-mail, which 
claims that the FDA approval process of aspartame was tainted and that there is 
a conspiracy between the FDA and the producers of aspartam. The claims are 
allegedly based on a supposed talk by expert Nancy Markle at a recent “World 
Environmental Conference.” Someone doing a bit of research would have noticed 
that the email was largely identical to messages posted by Martini to Usenet 
newsgroups in late 1995 and early 1996 about her, Martini’s, alleged talk at a 
“World Environmental Conference.” The Conference is, of course, fictional, and 
the existence of Markle (independently of Martini) has, to put it 
diplomatically, not been confirmed.

The fact that most of the allegations contained in this theory contradict the 
bulk of medical evidence, reality, and reason, is the kind of detail that has 
never stopped a good conspiracy theory, and Martini’s misinformation continues 
to reemerge 15 years after the e-mail was originally distributed. On the other 
hand, the aspartame hoax has become a canonical example of an internet 
conspiracy circulated on a number of Internet conspiracy theory and urban 
legend websites (e.g. here). For instance, the dissemination of the “Nancy 
Markle” letter was considered so notable that the Media Awareness Network 
featured one version of it in a tutorial on how to determine the credibility of 
a web page .

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 10:57 PM Jim & Pat Steinle  
wrote:

  I followed this recipe and made a gallon bag of about 1 oz (1 tablespoon) 
frozen HCQ (used ice cube trays) to keep in the freezer in case of any need.  
This is only my 2nd post on this forum and I do not claim this truly is the way 
to make HCQ or not.  It appears to be a legitimate recipe by Dr. Betty Martini, 
D.Hum. as can be found on this link: 
https://rense.com/general96/home-recipe-for-hydroxychloroquine-hcq.php

  I see many comments on the forum about HCQ and do not know if this has been 
shown before, so am posting this FYI.
  Jim Steinle

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Re: CS>My experience with burning lungs & CS

[Jim & Pat Steinle]

I have two nebulizers.  The oldest is an Airial with tube and mask and the 
other I bought on eBay from England; an Omron Micro Air (currently available at 
$152.80 with free shipping).  I believe I used the Airial system at that time, 
which means I only really breathed in about 1/2 of the CS as the rest would 
have went into the air when I breathed out.
Jim Steinle

From: John Wrobel
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:18 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>My experience with burning lungs & CS

What type of nebulizer did you use?

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 7:54 PM Jim & Pat Steinle  wrote:

  A few years back I had a quite severe burning in both lungs.  I took about a 
teaspoon & 1/5 of CS in a plastic spoon and placed it into a nebulizer.  After 
breathing it in for about 15 minutes my lungs were better.  I repeated the 
procedure a little later and when done my lungs were back to health.  Never had 
another problem with them again.
  Jim Steinle



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Re: CS>Make your own HCQ [and cost]

[Jim & Pat Steinle]

A good point for cost re HCQ.  The only reason I try to do my own is I like to 
try to do what I can for myself.  It’s a learning process for me.  Just like 
making my own tinctures of various herbs and of course making my own CS without 
having to buy it retail.  I had a response from one person re. the HCQ recipe 
who had written to the original woman about it, but she did not receive an 
answer back.  So who knows if my homemade HCQ is strong enough or not.  But it 
is fun trying.
Jim Steinl

From: Marshall
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Make your own HCQ

Why bother when this is cheap and  works just as well.  
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087YLTR4G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

Marshall



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Re: CS>Make your own HCQ

[Jim & Pat Steinle]

Nehah, thank you for that report.  We all have to search hard and deep for any 
truth.  That was telling that Martini did not respond back.
j

From: Nenah Sylver
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Make your own HCQ

Jim,



Thank you for posting this. However, I have my doubts that there is enough 
quinine in the amount of citrus peels used in the recipe to exert any kind of 
medically therapeutic effect. The primary components are the citrus compounds 
called limonenes--which themselves are highly beneficial--but please be aware 
that quinine is obtained from cinchona bark.



About six or eight months ago I wrote to Betty Martini and very respectfully 
asked her where she got the research from, but never heard back.



Sometimes, even people we respect can get it wrong. I personally would NOT rely 
on Martini's recipe to obtain any substantial amounts of HCQ.



Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, The Rife Handbook

of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health, 5th Edition

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- Original Message -
From: Jim & Pat Steinle 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 22:56:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CS>Make your own HCQ



I followed this recipe and made a gallon bag of about 1 oz (1 tablespoon) 
frozen HCQ (used ice cube trays) to keep in the freezer in case of any need.  
This is only my 2nd post on this forum and I do not claim this truly is the way 
to make HCQ or not.  It appears to be a legitimate recipe by Dr. Betty Martini, 
D.Hum. as can be found on this link: 
https://rense.com/general96/home-recipe-for-hydroxychloroquine-hcq.php

I see many comments on the forum about HCQ and do not know if this has been 
shown before, so am posting this FYI.

Jim
Steinle


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CS>Make your own HCQ

[Jim & Pat Steinle]

I followed this recipe and made a gallon bag of about 1 oz (1 tablespoon) 
frozen HCQ (used ice cube trays) to keep in the freezer in case of any need.  
This is only my 2nd post on this forum and I do not claim this truly is the way 
to make HCQ or not.  It appears to be a legitimate recipe by Dr. Betty Martini, 
D.Hum. as can be found on this link: 
https://rense.com/general96/home-recipe-for-hydroxychloroquine-hcq.php

I see many comments on the forum about HCQ and do not know if this has been 
shown before, so am posting this FYI.
Jim Steinle

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CS>My experience with burning lungs & CS

[Jim & Pat Steinle]

A few years back I had a quite severe burning in both lungs.  I took about a 
teaspoon & 1/5 of CS in a plastic spoon and placed it into a nebulizer.  After 
breathing it in for about 15 minutes my lungs were better.  I repeated the 
procedure a little later and when done my lungs were back to health.  Never had 
another problem with them again.
Jim Steinle

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Re: CS>Good Brand Of Colloidal Silver

[Pat K.]

I use what I make with my SilverGen.
Pat


On Mar 11, 2016, at 2:10 PM, pwold wrote:

> Hello,
> I need to know which brand to use for Nebulizing Colloidal Silver that worked 
> for you? 
> Also, ionic or true colloidal silver..which one is better for nebulizing?
> Can anyone comment on this ...that would help.

Re: CSOT - Nutri Bullet

[Pat]

After my first Nutribullet got incredibly loud (like a jet airplane taking 
off!)at seven months, I put all the parts into a bag and took it to the store.  
I couldn't find my receipt.  Before I could even tell her my complaint, the 
clerk grabbed it away, whisked a new boxed one up to the counter and said thank 
you.  This one is 10 months old and is still doing well.  I'm very careful not 
to overfill it, I put 1/2 of the first batch into the smaller container 
before I add the yogurt and whey and blend.  Then I just stir them together.  
Wish the container was just a little bit larger.  (or maybe I should just eat 
smaller amounts?!)

Pat






 From: Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: CSOT - Nutri Bullet
 


Haven't thought to use hot in it, but the grain blade is supposed to pulverize 
ice well. Also, after a year of daily use, my regular blade head got wobbly in 
its spindle. I called Bed Bath  Beyond where I'd purchased it, to replace that 
part, and they said they can't do that, just parts, but to bring the whole 
thing in and they'd replace it! Nice.
Be well,
Léna

On Nov 14, 2013, at 9:00 AM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi,
I finally got my NutriBullet yesterday and had a chance to look through the 
book.  I have a question for those of you that have one.  Can it only tolerate 
cold items?  I was hoping to throw some cooked veges and hot water into it for 
a simple soup.  Also, can you put ice into it?
Thanks.
PT

Re: CSOT - Nutri Bullet

[Pat]

That is wonderful news!!!  When this one wears out, I'll get the newer, larger 
one.

Pat





 From: kagi kag...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT - Nutri Bullet
 


A new 900 watt NutriBullet Pro is available. 
http://nutribulletblog.com/introducing-the-nutribullet-pro-900-series/
http://www.bedbathandbeyond..com/store/product/NutriBullet-reg-Pro-900-Series/1042213574?Keyword=nutribullet
http://www.kohls.com/product/prd-1597549/nutribullet-900-series-blender.jsp
http://www.amazon.com/NutriBullet-Pro-900-Series-series/dp/B00GCS37AY 
From: Jaxi Schulz 
Sent: Thursday, 14 November, 2013 11:38
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSOT - Nutri Bullet
  This feedback
is great.  I love my vitamix but sometimes it is just too big for what I
want.  I have been thinking about getting a NutriBullet.  They are
sold several places but with the easy replacement policy at Bed, Bath and Beyond
I think when I make the leap I will get it there.  
 
Thanks,
 
Jaxi

Re: CSFw: DMSO best kind?

[Pat]

The Pennsaid is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory for tendinitis below the 
knee.  Probably DMSO alone would work almost as well.

Pat




 From: Anne Ney aney3...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: CSFw: DMSO best kind?
 


What is it used for?

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:


For DMSO, I like http://www.jacoblab.com/    The have very good quality and it 
doesn't seem to have as much odor as the others I've had.  They have several 
strengths in solutions or gels.


The orthopaedic surgeon gave me an Rx for Pennsaid, which is diclofenac sodium 
along with DMSO.  I think it works better than the cream without DMSO.  It 
cost $50 for the bottle though. 



Pat

Re: CSFw: DMSO best kind?

[Pat]

For DMSO, I like http://www.jacoblab.com/    The have very good quality and it 
doesn't seem to have as much odor as the others I've had.  They have several 
strengths in solutions or gels.

The orthopaedic surgeon gave me an Rx for Pennsaid, which is diclofenac sodium 
along with DMSO.  I think it works better than the cream without DMSO.  It cost 
$50 for the bottle though. 


Pat

Re: CSOT - Cure for Dry skin; Especially Feet

[Pat]

I love the Tropical Traditions coconut oil lotion, but sometimes when my skin 
is very dry, the Trader Joe's moisturizing cream in the pump bottle works 
better.  I love that it's unscented.  It does list some ingredients which I'm 
not sure about such as petrolatum.  

Pat





 From: Jess jessi...@optonline.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: CSOT -  Cure for Dry skin; Especially Feet
 

do you mean Moisture Therapy Intensive Healing and Repair Cream for hands in
the small tube 1.5 ounces ?  Thanks, Jess

-Original Message-
From: Donna Lewis [mailto:donnalewis1...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSOT - Cure for Dry skin; Especially Feet

Is this spam or a real member?

-Original Message-
From: craehow...@juno.com [mailto:craehow...@juno.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:06 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSOT - Cure for Dry skin; Especially Feet



I've found the perfect product for my feet which were dry, cracked,
calloused; and to ensure it was not just me I had a friend (she only had a
partial foot) whose feet were worse then mine; they are now baby smooth.  

What we did was using the egg scraper (it is an item shaped like an egg) and
you scrape off the dead skin...  it will still work if you don't get all..  

In the evening scape the feet (better if your cleaned them good first; and
are dry)..  then all you do is get a your tube (having already procured it).
The best part is you can this from your local Avon distributor and ask for a
4.2 fl oz tube of moisture therapy; intensive healing  repair.   The next
best thing is the price; I've only spent $1.49 per tube; after finding this
to be the most impressive product; I now order 20 or 30 at a time...  I give
them out to people who I run into with similar problems.

The first thing in  the morning I apply the treatment to my feet and before
bed I apply another treatment.  No need to wrap or continually applying...
this treatment gives results almost immediately!  

After seeing the results I began applying on my butt which has had a rash
for years..  it worked! Now I'm also treating my elbows.  And just this week
I began apply (after washing) my neck and face..  it feels good, just a
little early for more results to be noticed.

Find your local Avon Rep and order yours and witness the results for
yourself..  what have you to lose but your dry skin and a $1.50.

If you need info on an Avon Rep you can probably google it; or I can send
you information on my Rep.  Try not to order where you'll have shipping
charges.  

It works..  try it!  Then let me know your story.

connie

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CSCS Affecting the Stomach

[Pat]

If I've been close to someone who has a gastrointestinal disease, I start 
dosing myself heavily so I won't come down with it.  If I have an ounce or more 
of colloidal silver a few times a day, I get a bit of a tummy upset or pain.  
Then I wonder if I've caught the disease or if it's from the CS.  The mind can 
make me so afraid that I feel mild symptoms, but I never actually catch that 
kind of disease.  

However, I caught a throat and lung thing from my baby granddaughter recently 
(she's had so many illnesses which she picked up at day care... she was never 
sick a day until two days after she started day care at six months.)  Her 
parents both got it, too.  I held it off from getting full blown for a couple 
weeks by drinking (swishing the CS/Gatorade mix as long as I could, then 
swallowing) and nebulizing CS.  I had laryngitis and a little throat 
discomfort, but didn't really feel too bad.  Finally, I started coughing a lot 
at night.  The doc said it had been a virus, but was now a bacterial infection 
in the lungs and one ear.  She said it was going around a lot.  The amoxicillin 
knocked it out in two days.

Pat

Re: CSlist archives digital communication

[Pat]

This is great:  One should not evaluate the merits of any government program 
by what its
proponents claim it is for, but what might be done with it by your
enemies in your worst nightmare.

May I put it on facebook under the link to that article?  If so, should I 
attribute it to you, Mike?  

Pat





 From: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: CSlist archives  digital communication
 

Just to clarify: Yes, Google and other search engines index the
mail-archive for the silver-list. We've had archives off and on for
years now. The current one has been up and running successfully for
several years now, and contains almost every post ever made to the list
since it started.

In addition, realize that there are about 800 members, any of which may
or may not be trustworthy. 

One should never post anything anywhere with the assumption that it will
not be seen by the public.

Dorothy wrote:
 They must have a hell of a big database! 

They do.

  Personally, I don’t care who accesses any of my info—if they would
 ever bother that is – I have nothing to hide.  dee

That's fine as long as you assume the folks running the show are
competent, moral, and incorruptible. 

One should not evaluate the merits of any government program by what its
proponents claim it is for, but what might be done with it by your
enemies in your worst nightmare.

Be well,

Mike D.





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Re: CSlist archives

[Pat]

The Silver List used to be private, didn't it?  I remember when I heard that it 
would now be found with Google searches and that I decided I should try to be a 
little more careful about what I say.  Of course, some one with poor intentions 
could have become a member, but surely they'd get bored and drop out after a 
few years.  I guess it's good to get the word out on colloidal silver, but I 
would rather just have a select group of members able to read my stuff.  But, I 
was new once, and I remember when a few of you first came on.  Oh well, I'm on 
facebook, so my whole life is an open book, anyway.  lol  Did you guys see this 
article about how the government is getting all our supposedly private 
communications, anyway? 
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston

Pat





 From: PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: CSlist archives
 


Hi Mike, 
They turned up on a google search.  Can google access archives of private 
groups like this and make them public without your consent?  If so we might 
need to be less candid about the things we write to the list.
Thanks. PT





From: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 2:49:47 AM
Subject: Re: CSlist archives

Due to an obscure technical issue not everyone can see it, PT, but at
the bottom of every post from the list is a footer that contains, among
other things, the web address of the list archives at mail-archive.com.
Yep, the entire 15 or so years' worth of the list is archived there.

So if your search turned up messages at that site, it's as intended. If
they were anywhere else, then I didn't have anything to do with that.

Be well,

Mike D.


On Sun, 2013-05-05 at 18:54 -0700, PT Ferrance wrote:
 Mike, I was doing some research on the internet tonight and found
 posts from the silver list being listed.  Are our posts to this list
 *not* private?  If not we need to know so we can decide what we want
 to say for the whole world to read.
 Thanks.
 PT


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CSMercury Fillings

[Pat]

My dentist said one patient who had fillings removed had her lichen planus go 
away.  I have two more small fillings, but I worry about the anesthetic 
injections (possible long term side effects) and also having to drill into 
teeth (which could take even more away and weaken them further?)  Having the 
large one removed over a year ago (and now even the entire tooth) has done 
nothing to improve my aches and pains.  

Pat

Re: CSRenee~

[Pat]

I'm so shocked and saddened to hear this about Renee.  What a shame that 
someone with so much knowledge can't even postpone the end indefinitely.  
Perhaps we gain better quality of life and a life longer than we would have 
had, when we try to do our best with nutrition and supplements.  She was one 
super person and I'm glad I got to know her just a little bit through this list.

Pat





 From: Teri t...@welshspringers.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 5:18 PM
Subject: CSRenee~
 

It is with a heavy heart that I will miss Renee, we used to joke we were most 
likely sisters in another life.  A bright star was born when she died. My heart 
goes out to her family and I will keep them in my prayers as I did Renee.  
Renee was one of the most generous people I ever knew.  Goodbye my good friend.

Teri


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Re: CSElectrode cleaning?

[Pat]

6. Only between each batch produced

I have the Colloid Master and usually have some stuff in the bottom at the end. 
 I usually set it at 5.5 or 6.  I wipe the silver rods with paper towels, but 
after reading, I'll try wiping with a clean towel.

Pat




 From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:16 PM
Subject: CSElectrode cleaning?
 


 
I seek everyone's cooperation for a quick quiz.  Would everyone/anyone here 
care to indulge me in my quest for information on cleaning your electrodes on 
machines fitted with automatic polarity reversal?

How often do you physically remove the electrodes from the water and wipe them 
over?

1. Physically removed from water at regular timed intervals during the 
production process.
2. Physically removed from water at random intervals during the production 
process.
3. Seldom physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
4. Never physically remove them from the water while production is in process.
6. Only between each batch produced.
7.When I feel like it.
8. Rarely.
9. Never.
10.  Other ~ with brief explanation.

Just type a number in your answer will do, except for number 8 of course.

To those who are willing to provide answers, I Thank You in advance.

N.

CSAllergies

[Pat]

Anybody home?  


Does anyone have a great help for allergy problems besides vitamin D and the 
sodium ascorbate form of vitamin C?  I used to have horrible allergies years 
ago, but mine are pretty good now.  My daughter and husband are suffering (even 
after using these supplements and Allegra.)

Pat

Re: CSTooth infection

[Pat]

I had to have a wisdom tooth extracted a couple of months ago.  It had had a 
mercury filling removed and had ozone treatment and a partial crown a year ago, 
but it became abscessed.  The dentist said that I had two choices, root canal 
or extraction.  He said that he wouldn't have root canals for himself or his 
family since the bacteria hides in the roots and even ozone cannot get rid of 
all of it.  I hate having this huge gap and often quit smiling to cover it 
(even though the kids say it doesn't really show.)  The dentist said that I 
could be evaluated for an implant in 5 or 6 months, but that one would cost 
$4,500.  I guess I'll have to get used to the gap.  = (

Pat  



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Re: CSTooth infection

[Pat]

Good Grief!  I even proof-read before I hit send.  I had my four wisdom teeth 
out when I was 16.  This tooth which is now missing was the next to the last on 
top (not counting the wisdom tooth spot.)  It shows when I smile big.  

This dentist is a mercury-safe one.  He does a zirconia implant which seems to 
be a lot more expensive than the regular ones.  Their site states, There is no 
metal involved.  Zirconia is a special type of ceramic, 
which is biocompatible and non-irritating to gum tissues.  This system 
is entirely metal-free, with a comparable success rate and longevity to 
titanium implants.  Although Zirconia implants are relatively uncommon 
in the United States, they have been widely used in Europe for decades.  
Extensive clinical studies have proven the safety and effectiveness of 
this option. 


Sorry about mis-speaking.  That and forgetting words or names is the most 
annoying part of aging!

Pat




 From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: CSTooth infection
 

Pat -- I read your post several times, and I'm still confused.  I can't figure 
out how you could have a gap, or worry about a missing wisdom tooth showing 
-- when wisdom teeth are the further-most back teeth in the mouth, very close 
to the jaw hinge.  Most people lose their wisdom teeth early on (mine were gone 
before I turned 28) and never give them a thought.  I've never heard of anyone 
having them even filled, much less crowned.  Are you sure you're not talking 
about one of the molar teeth?  If you really are talking about the wisdom 
teeth, I'd advise you to save your $4,500.00 -- no one will ever know that the 
tooth is gone!  Regardless -- don't stop smiling!!  :-D
MA




From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 14, 2013 7:45:41 AM
Subject: Re: CSTooth infection



I had to have a wisdom tooth extracted a couple of months ago.  It had had a 
mercury filling removed and had ozone treatment and a partial crown a year ago, 
but it became abscessed.  The dentist said that I had two choices, root canal 
or extraction.  He said that he wouldn't have root canals for himself or his 
family since the bacteria hides in the roots and even ozone cannot get rid of 
all of it.  I hate having this huge gap and often quit smiling to cover it 
(even though the kids say it doesn't really show.)  The dentist said that I 
could be evaluated for an implant in 5 or 6 months, but that one would cost 
$4,500.  I guess I'll have to get used to the gap.  = (

Pat  



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Re: CSAfib

[Pat K.]

Hawthorne Berry is working pretty well for me.

Pat


On Mar 3, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Bruce Anderson wrote:

 
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Re: CSDr Oz program

[Pat]

Gerald M. Lemole, MD served as Chief of Cardiovascular Surgery at Christiana 
Care Health Services from 1986 through 2006. Subsequently, he served as the 
Medical Director for the Center of Integrative Health at The Preventive 
Medicine and Rehabilitation Institute.

He said the first thing they do when they get a sore throat is spray with 
colloidal silver which is anti-fungal, anti-viral, and anti-bacterial.

Pat




 From: lin gregerson jlgre...@hctc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: CSDr Oz program
 

Did anyone watch Dr Oz yesterday (11/19)?  I’ve been told there was a section 
of the show where he mentioned colloidal silver, but the person didn’t have any 
other info.
I’ve checked his website and there isn’t anything from that part of the show 
listed.
 
Thanks for any info
Lin

Re: CSanxiety and stress

[Pat]

I'm so glad to hear that Gary Craig has a websiteI'd gotten tired of all 
these emails from other people who seemed to take over EFT training.  The Basic 
Recipe, http://www.garythink.com/eft/recipe.html  is really all you need at 
first.  After thinking it was hokey for a few years, I finally tried it. I 
didn't see much value in it.   Then after my knee replacement 3 years ago, the 
pain pills caused an anxiety attack and depression.  Nothing helped except 
EFT.  I found that it worked better with practice.  Sometimes I even fell 
asleep while tapping.  I don't use it anymore, except while I'm at the dentist, 
but I'm so glad I have this valuable tool.

Pat




 From: Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: CSanxiety and stress
 

Mike, thanks for the suggestions on EFT.  I found garythink.com and am using 
the videos to learn it.

If you (or others) can suggest any other resources I would appreciate it.

-Alan




On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM, M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com wrote:

Alan,

Along with the many other good suggestions, I would suggest Emotional
Freedom Technique (EFT).

Re: CSanxiety and stress

[Pat]

Amazing insights, Dan

Pat




From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: CSanxiety and stress

As a software engineer, you may relate to this perspective.

The brain can be considered to be a biological computer.  What we
think of as our personality and identify with most of the time is
nothing more than what amounts to a software program, self
perpetuating and rather arbitrarily put together.  When it is
stimulated, it tends to run its automatic processes (ie: uncertainty
and/or fear produces stress and anxiety).  What maintains this
structure is our internal dialogue,  what we say to ourselves over
and over in our minds.  If you interrupt that process by calming the
mind and not grasping onto those thoughts you can also interrupt the
automatic cascade of physical symptoms.  One good way, and probably
the best way initially, is to let the mind rest on (be aware of) the
breathing rather than resting on the internal dialogue.  If the mind
gets caught up in the dialogue, that is OK, just realize it and bring
the attention back to the breathing.  Observe any thoughts you have
and let them go on without grasping (mentally) onto them.  This will
tend to quiet the mind and short circuit the automatic complexes that
have been operating.

Many difficult and unpleasant things can arise in the mind.  All can
be observed and looked at without problem.  They will appear and pass
on.  The only problem is in grasping onto them which strengthens them
and keeps them in the mind.  In reality Fear is a phantasm.

The core of what many consider to be us in a spiritual sense is
pre-thought, particularly pre-verbal thought, and before
discrimination and judgement.  That core does not fear or judge it is
merely aware and experiencing, it is more like the awareness of an
infant.  This is the master.  The personality is due to acquired
conditioning (an acquired software program) and should be the servant.
Because of its undisciplined state it has reversed roles and the
servant has become the master.  Quieting the internal dialogue is the
ticket.  Also, the implication is that you are not your acquired
conditioning, and that conditioning can be changed or brought under
control.

Just some thoughts.

Dan


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote:
 My world has been turned upside down.  After nearly 30 years at the same
 company, where I always got stellar performance reviews and incredible
 raises, bonuses and stock options, all of a sudden, without warning, I am
 told I make too much money and my employment is in immediate jeopardy (I'm a
 software engineer).

 If this wasn't bad enough, my body is responding with extreme stress and
 anxiety, which are severely affecting my ability to function in my job, let
 alone life.

 My wife has some anxiety pills which I have been taking, which help a bit.
 I hate drugs, however, and am looking for other options.  I would think that
 some effective hypnosis program would be useful to get this under control,
 but so far haven't found anything that looks effective.

 Any help is appreciated...

 --
 Alan Jones

 The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
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Re: CSMagnesium delivery

[Pat]

I have magnesium oil but don't like to use it since it makes my skin feel 
sticky and itchy (even mixed with lotion.)  


Every night about an hour before bed, I use 400 mg of magnesium glycinate.  
I've used KAL magnesium glycinate pills which are rather large but they go down 
easy and Soloray magnesium glycinate capsules.  I've used other types of 
magnesium, but I (and my son) find that this is the best form.  I found out 
about it in a newsletter by Dr. Nikolas R. Hedberg, D.C., D.A.B.C.I.   

Pat






From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:30 AM
Subject: CSMagnesium delivery


As always im seeking the wisdom of all the sages on here.
im reading that the best way to deliver magnesium to the body
is thru trans dermal delivery. Does anyone know of a good mag. oil?
i keep seeing Ancient Minerals but they are pricey.

-- 

Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord 
Jesus Christ. 
Gary  Lennie


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CSRSC:The toxic effect of silver ions and silver nanoparticles towards bacteria and human cells occurs in the same concentration range

[Pat]

I'm sorry, they don't let you copy the whole paper, but it is free to join if 
you wish to see it.
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2012/ra/c2ra20684f 


Pat



 From: pattycake29...@yahoo.com pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:18 AM
Subject: CSRSC:The toxic effect of silver ions and silver nanoparticles 
towards bacteria and human cells occurs in the same concentration range
 
Pat  believed you would be interested in the following page from the Royal 
Society of Chemistry website:

The toxic effect of silver ions and silver nanoparticles towards bacteria and 
human cells occurs in the same concentration range-

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2012/ra/c2ra20684f

Please note that some areas of the website require a login and password

Message:Interesting article.


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CSSpay Incontinence in Dogs

[Pat]

We let the vet talk us into spaying our nine year old Australian Cattle Dog 2 
years ago.  She developed urinary incontinence a few weeks later.  Our first 
dog had that problem, too.  The vet put Daisy on one pill of DES per week 
(which they supply) which we found makes her sick at night, so I now give 1/2 
pill Sunday and 1/4 pill Wednesday.  She's never had a problem since she 
started DES.

_http://dogaware.com/articles/wdjincontinence.html__

_
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To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: CSNew to List in Pittsburgh, PA - PART 1



Back to dogs,

My brother has a 2yr old dobie that was spade and now leaks urine.  


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Re: CSSpay Incontinence in Dogs

[Pat]

* Diethylstilbestrol (DES) is a synthetic form of the hormone estrogen 
that was prescribed to pregnant women between 1940 and 1971 to prevent 
miscarriage, premature labor, and related complications of pregnancy.
* Women who took DES during pregnancy have an increased risk of breast 
cancer.
* Increased risks of clear cell adenocarcinoma of the vagina and cervix 
and of breast cancer have been found for daughters of women who took DES during 
pregnancy; fertility problems are also more common among these daughters.
The vet assured me that there is no danger to a woman giving these to the dog 
unless she drinks the dog's urine.  They make soft formed tablets which the dog 
enjoys eating and I can cut them with the scissors.  (I get them at the vet's 
office, so I assume they form them.)  The other choice is the PPA, but you have 
to give that every day and I think it only helps 70% of dogs.

Pat


From: Ron Minnick shadowcreekf...@hotmail.com
To: CS site silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: CSSpay Incontinence in Dogs



What is DES, and can you just buy it somewhere or does it have to come from the 
vet?    thnaks  Ron


 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 07:33:16 -0700
 From: pattycake29...@yahoo.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSSpay Incontinence in Dogs
 
 We let the vet talk us into spaying our nine year old Australian Cattle Dog 2 
 years ago.  She developed urinary incontinence a few weeks later.  Our first 
 dog had that problem, too.  The vet put Daisy on one pill of DES per week 
 (which they supply) which we found makes her sick at night, so I now give 1/2 
 pill Sunday and 1/4 pill Wednesday.  She's never had a problem since she 
 started DES.
 
 _http://dogaware.com/articles/wdjincontinence.html__
 
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 From: Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com
 To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:54 PM
 Subject: RE: CSNew to List in Pittsburgh, PA - PART 1
 
 
 
 Back to dogs,
 
 My brother has a 2yr old dobie that was spade and now leaks urine.  
 
 
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Re: CSSpay Incontinence in Dogs

[Pat]

Spay Incontinence 
After a female dog is spayed, their level of the female hormone, 
estrogen, is significantly lower. Estrogen plays a part in constricting 
the sphincter muscles dogs use to urinate. The lack of estrogen means a 
lack of that tone needed to control her sphincter. The adrenal glands 
also produce estrogen, albeit in small amounts. This is usually enough 
to keep the sphincter muscles working properly, but in about 20% of 
cases, this isn't so. Male dogs also suffer this (with the lack of 
testosterone) however it's not generally as much of a problem as it is 
with female dogs. 

Read more: Spay Incontinence in Dogs - VetInfo 




 From: 123 456 whiteol...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: CSSpay Incontinence in Dogs
 
Incontinence in any warm blooded mammal, human or otherwise, is
usually attributed to kidney functions being blocked or damaged in
some way.

Re: CStooth problems- can EIS help?

[Pat Lawrie]

I had a root canaled tooth and the filling on it broke and became painful.  
When I finally got to the dentist  (I waited too long) he put in a temporary 
cap.
Even with anaesthesia that tooth was extremely sensitive. He thought it might 
be  the neighboring wisdom tooth, but I didn't think so. In any event, the next 
day it was still really painful and I thought I was going to have to call him 
and cancel the cap and have  it pulled. But in a moment of lucidity, I decided 
to try my godzilla. I applied the sponges to each cheek for only 20 min.  Pain  
was eliminated and has remained so. Godzila rocks!
Pat
 


 From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: RE: CStooth problems- can EIS help?
   
 
I easily destroyed several bacterial
infections in the roots of my teeth as well as cavitations in  teeth.  I used a
Godzilla… a battery hooked up to two wires with sponges on the ends used
as electrodes.  The DC current kills the bacteria instantly inside the tooth or
root.  You can use as little as 1 ½ volts or up to 6 volts but no higher.  9
volts is dangerous and overkill in any event.  Just a flashlight battery will
do.  Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for info and schematics on
how to make the device… it costs less than $10 and has saved me thousands
in dental bills.  Good luck. 
  
Bob 
  


  
From:martsmai...@aol.com [mailto:martsmai...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012
6:55 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CStooth problems-
can EIS help?  
  
   
You did the correct thing.  
  
According to Dr. Mercola  
During a root canal, there is no way to
sterilize your tooth; after the root canal, dangerous bacteria hide out in the
tooth and are unreachable with antibiotics  
· Root-canaled
and filled teeth harbor bacteria that morph into very toxic forms, which then
can migrate to other tissues in your body and cause serious medical conditions,
including diseases of your heart, kidneys, bones, and brain  
· There
is no other medical practice that permits leaving a dead body part inside your
body, because it triggers your immune system to attack  
· If
you have a diseased tooth, or if you’ve already had a root canal, I
highly recommend consulting a biological dentist about have it extracted   
   
In a message dated 4/27/2012 9:19:10 A.M.
Central Daylight Time, smjl...@wavewls.com writes:  
I would choose losing the tooth over a
root canal any day!

 
  
 

Re: CSMRSA infection

[Pat K.]

Besides the CS, Manuka Honey should clear up the MRSA very well. It needs to be 
raw, active and UMF 16+ UMF is the Unique Manuka factor. Anything over 20 is 
wasteful and under 16+ isn't strong enough.
Pat


On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Dan Nave wrote:

 My husband's lead man at work has a bad MRSA infection under his right
 pectoral, (over his liver).  It's the size of a quarter, it's deep and
 oozing a little.  He had one last summer on his back and it was successfully
 treated by conventional drugs. His heart doctor diagnosed this current
 infection and referred him to an infectious disease doc, but he can't see
 that doc for two weeks!  Oy vey!  I offered to make him some oral and
 topical CS/EIS a couple of days ago and today he said yes he would try
 anything as it is getting worse and he is scared. I would appreciate any
 advice you all could give me as far as presenting the CS to him and how he
 might self administer it.
 
 On another note my father who is in his 80's and a diabetic had one foot
 turn red, swollen and painful after he clipped a toenail too short (and
 didn't tell my mom until the pain got too bad).  I made him some topical CS
 with about 15% DMSO and 5% glycerin and had my mom put it on his foot four
 times a day, keeping a gauze pad soaked in the CS on the toe in between full
 foot applications.  By the second application both the pain and redness was
 noticably down.  My mom was amazed but so was the doc the next day when they
 told her about it, of course my mom couldn't remember what I had given them
 to put on the foot!  Anyway, I thought I would share that story.
 
 Silvia

CSOT-- to Lena, VCO

[Pat Lane]

Have you checked the Weston Price Real Milk locator? 
http://www.realmilk.com/where.html 

How long have you been on the Budwig protocol?

Pat

--- On Tue, 2/28/12, zzekel...@aol.com zzekel...@aol.com wrote:

From: zzekel...@aol.com zzekel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: CSOT-- to Lena, VCO
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 8:00 AM



 
 


In a message dated 2/27/2012 9:50:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
ptf2...@bellsouth.net writes:

  Have you tried 
  making your own cottage cheese, Lois?  It seems really simple to 
  do. 
  PT 


No I haven't...Can't find an organic farmer near to get milk 
..{ wonder if the organic milk from the store would do or do you need raw ??? 
 I remember as a kid on the farm Mom used to make it,,,I pay $4,99 for a 
small tub of organic valley cc. It's a lot but I really think the cancer is 
gone--Thanks to the Budwig Protocol.. 
Lois

Re: CSRest in Peace, Starshar

[Pat]

I'm so sorry to hear this.  She was a kind and helpful person and we will miss 
her.

Pat





From: rans...@atmc.net rans...@atmc.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: CSRest in Peace, Starshar


After a long illness, our beloved Starshar, Sharon Morrissey of West
Chester, Pennsylvania, has passed. Her sister told me that she passed
peacefully on Tuesday.


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Re: tea tree oil, was Re: CSDMSO cures sensitive teeth roots

[Pat Lawrie]

I became sensitive to Sensodyne that I had been using for about a year. Of 
course it started AFTER I just bought a 3-pak!!!
Pat
 


 From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: tea tree oil, was Re: CSDMSO cures sensitive teeth roots
  
DH had excrutiatingly sensitive teeth. Dentist recommended this special 
toothpaste for sensitive teeth.  Using it gave him the same pain as sweet 
things.  Studied the contents list, looked up on line - sorbitol is used to 
keep the paste moist.  My mother used to tell me as a kid that they put sugar 
in toothpaste to rot people's teeth, and I didn't believe her. Sixty years 
later I wonder if this is what she meant.
R

On 13/02/2012 2:23 AM, sol wrote:
  I AM using a tooth paste the dentist gave me for sensitivity.
 sol
 
 
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Re: tea tree oil, was Re: CSDMSO cures sensitive teeth roots

[Pat Lawrie]

You might try oregano oil. 
Pat
 


 From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: tea tree oil, was Re: CSDMSO cures sensitive teeth roots
  
ew wrote:
 Well, if you dare use Tea Tree Oil on your teeth... it will desensitize 
 sensitive teeth... and a Sensodyne type of tooth past (there are cheaper 
 varities) will help take care of current pain. Even tooth aches and exposed 
 nerves.  (Using both the Tea Tree and the Sensodyne), one then the other)
 
  
I can't use tea tree oil at all, is there another essential oil that can do the 
same thing? I AM using a tooth paste the dentist gave me for sensitivity.
sol


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Re: CSAccidental Discovery Provides Relief From Morgellons Victims

[Pat]

Sounds a bit fishy to me.  The pictures are from 2006.  He says, I . . . . had 
absolutely no desire to enter the retail business. So I hired a web 
developer, bought 2,000 bottles of NutraSilver from my friend, created a legal 
label for the bottles and began my new career in retail internet 
sales.  Although I do believe silver products can do amazing things, I think 
he's just trying to sell his product.  


Pat




 From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 3:29 AM
Subject: CSAccidental Discovery Provides Relief From Morgellons Victims
 

 
Accidental Discovery Provides Relief From Morgellons Victims
 
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1565/074/Accidental_Discovery_Provides_Relief_From_Morgellons_Victims.html

Re: CSAnother way to heal

[Pat Lawrie]

Thank you Renee, just joined. Had looked  for it but couldn't find it. When I 
tried checking  in the book, I chose the pain protocol, which was negative 
side down, even tho for the foot  with the problem was positive. This morning I 
just loaned the rest of my discs and book to someone in worse pain than me 
after a fall. I like the discount and may have to order some more pronto.

Pat
  


 From: gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: CSAnother way to heal
  
 
If you use the stronger ones you could put it outside your shoe--though you 
must wrap it good enough that it doesn't fall off.  You could get the book out 
and look up the method that is recommended for toes.  It will depend on which 
foot it is on as to whether you use the positive or negative side of the 
magnets. 

The group is here:  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Magnetictherapytoday/ 
Peter belongs to the group and will answer any questions you have about 
magnets and healing with them.   

This 50% off sale is great, though members of the group get 25% off all the 
time with a special code.  So if someone missed the holiday sales there's still 
a way to save some money. 

Samala, 
Renee.  

 



---Original Message--- 
  
What is the link to the magnet  group please?  

Re: CSAnother way to heal

[Pat Lawrie]

What is the link to the magnet group please? I recently bought the Wellness Kit. After someone mentioned them yesterday, I got mine out and put it on a toe that's been sore like a boil for a month (could hardly walk). Pain was gone in just a few minutes to my utter amazement. Left it on all nite but couldn't wear it with shoes. Was fine all day today. Plan to reapply for tonite.Thank you, Pat   From: "gaiac...@gmail.com" gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: Re: CSAnother way to heal  

 
 











You will not regret it. I wouldn't be without our magnets. Members of the magnetic group have reported some remarkable healings while using the magnets. Some I never even thought of--like putting magnets on both sides of thenose toclear a sinus infection! That would work better for me than using a netti pot with CS because I can't stand to run liquid into my nose.

Samala,
Renee






---Original Message---


Thank you for your post regarding the magnets.I have always wanted to work with magnets but there is so much out there it is difficult to know what to get and where to put them..and if they really do work. I am pleased to read of your personal experiences and the fact that the book is such a great help and guides the exact placement. I have purchased the wellness kit this morning and look forward to learning about the world of magnets and the body. Put that together with the wonderful use of CS and there we go

Re: CStest

[Pat]

Guess everyone is busy cooking.  hehehe

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!





 From: PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:31 PM
Subject: CStest

Re: CSSmart Meter

[Pat]

I wish I didn't feel I have to know about so many things!  I remember when the 
power company told me they were installing a new meter so they could read it 
from the road, I was happy that they wouldn't risk upsetting my dog and 
possibly letting her out.  I never considered any health effects.  Sometimes 
ignorance is bliss!!??

Pat




From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter

Mike W-H wrote:
 imagine if they put a wireless meter inside an analog meter, most customers 
 would never know
That sort of thing is why I don't bother to get upset anymore. I figure they 
are going to get me one way or the other, and ultimately they will either kill 
me with their devices or with the stress of trying to avoid them killing me 
with their devices. I'm just as dead either way..and I'm old enough 
that I'm about out of here anyway so choose just to not worry about it as much 
as possible. I control what I can, and don't fight what I can't.
head in the sand,
sol


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Re: CSlupus

[Pat]

This is on the Mercola site:  
Researchers have 
discovered that at very low dosages (3 to 4.5 mg), naltrexone has 
immunomodulating properties that may be able to successfully treat 
cancer malignancies, and a wide range of autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid 
arthritis, multiple sclerosis (MS), Parkinson’s, fibromyalgia, and Crohn’s 
disease, just to name a few.



At http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/579395
Vitamin D in Systemic Lupus Erythematosus says:
Prospective studies of vitamin D in systemic lupus erythematosus are 
limited, but most cross-sectional studies show an inverse relationship 
between levels of vitamin D and disease activity. This suggests that 
repletion of vitamin D may have benefits beyond bone health for patients
with systemic lupus erythematosus.

Pat



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Re: CSVCO

[Pat]

The first coconut oil I tried was Tropical Traditions.  I couldn't stand the 
taste of it and couldn't even use it on my skin because of the awful scent of 
it.

Next I bought Spectrum brand and it was so bad I threw it away.

Luckily I tried one more time.  I ordered Coconut Oil Supreme.  It's so mild 
and has no unpleasant smell.  I can eat it plain by the spoonful.  My dog loves 
it, too.  I've ordered it three times and it's been consistently good.  They 
use no heat or fermentation.  Their website has plenty of info.

http://www.coconutoil-online.com/FAQs_about_Coconut_Oil_Supreme.html

I think one time I got some from the Mercola site which was good, but I can't 
remember anything about it.

Pat


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Re: CSThank you...

[Pat Lawrie]

How does one know if their arteries are clear or not? I took several bottles of 
serrapeptase and nattokinase, but I didn't see or feel anything different 
before 
or after. How would you know without getting expensive and invasive dye studies?

Pat





From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:34:57 PM
Subject: Re: CSThank you...

M. G. Devour wrote:
 
 Now, how can he actually clean out his arteries and prevent a recurrence of 
this nonsense? He's been using the Pauling protocol for several years, and 
though it maybe slowed things down, it certainly didn't fix it all.
  
Mike,
I have a good friend with completely clear arteries, who says it is due to 
serrapeptase and nattokinase she takes. Also she eats very few PUFAs and does 
eat good fats, coconut oil and butter.
sol


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CSWobenzym

[Pat]

Have any of you tried Wobenzym?  It is proteolytic enzymes.  I'd never heard of 
it until today when I read a post by someone who said she couldn't afford 
Celebrex, but this had helped her pain.  I'm trying to keep away from Celebrex 
and Aleve, although they help so much for joint and tendon pain.  I wonder if 
the Wobenzym enzymes are similar to Braggzyme or Serrapeptase which I've used 
some (with no results to bragg about.)

Pat

Re: CSOsteoarthritis Question

[Pat]

This is interesting.  I started Myristin CMO Sunday.  Monday night, my knee (a 
partial replacement 2 years ago) woke me with a pain unlike anything I'd felt, 
just a mild sharp ache that wouldn't go away with movement.  Then the next day, 
I was having a burning achiness to my hernia scar (from 35 years ago) which 
lasted several hours.  I hadn't felt anything like that before, either, and I 
wondered if it had anything to do with taking the CMO.  I took it for a few 
weeks maybe 4 years ago, but don't remember any strange pains.  


When I went to the hospital for surgery, I asked my husband to spray the 
surroundings before I was moved to the room.  (Don't know if he did, he can't 
remember doing so and he'd had to go to the emergency room and eye doc for pain 
and swelling after he dropped me off at the hospital.)  Also, I took a Dasani 
bottle which I'd filled with colloidal silver and had a few sips from that each 
day.  


If you spray everything.is that going to leave dark stains all over the 
nice 
new place?  I always spray everything before showering at truck stops, but feel 
guilty about staining.  Course, they should be cleaning well between customers.

Pat





From: Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 8:03:34 AM
Subject: RE: CSOsteoarthritis Question

 Dear Brooks,
 
I read your email to my husband (73yrs old) that has been having a lot of 
problems with osteo arthritis.
We decided to order the animal form of CMO from Beyond a Century because we 
felt 
it might be a 

better product.  He has been taking it now approx. 3 days, 1/2 tsp 3x daily 
over 
food but is having
some weird reactions.  He will suddenly have a finger joint hurt and then later 
it will move to another
spot.  He has never been diagosed with RA so I don't understand these 
reactions.  Is this something
anyone else experienced.  I have asked him to continue protocal because he is 
having so much
arthritis.
 
Dianne
 
 
 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:36:16 -0500
 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com
 To: day.sut...@gmail.com
 CC: Silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSOsteoarthritis Question
 
 Dear Day,
 We have been unsuccessful in
 achieving any benefit from CS.as an address for
 any form of arthritis. However, we HAVE achieved near phenomenal
 results in addressing the entire
 litany of arthritis insults (all forms) affecting any of the
 articulating joints in the human body
 via the implementation of a simple Cetyl Myristoleate (CMO) protocol.
 Independent researches confirmed.year ago
 (circa 1975) that CMO was VERY EFFECTIVE in controlling/remedying the
 negative influence of T-cells within the
 joint capsules of all articulating jointsamong higher
 mammalsincluding humans.
 I will not burden you with an extended litany
 of the documented causes of the various presentations of
 arthritis manifesting among humans..but I will summarize the
 DOCUMENTED research efforts of reliable, INDEPENDENT
 RESEARCH SCIENTISTS. Basically, what seems to occur within the human
 community is that sometime near mid-=life
 (usually around 55 years chronologically) the T-cells present in the
 fluid of the articulating joints (most especially the extremities)
 seem to lose the ability to differentiate between LIVE and DEAD tissue
 (within the capsule joint area). What this means is that
 the T-cells, literally, begin to consume a portion of ALL exposed
 tissue within the synovial fluid within the capsuled environment.
 This leads to tissue erosion---sometimes quite rapid. This attack
 affects both ligaments and cartilagewithout differentation /
 preference. What CMO does is that it, simply, TURNS OFF the
 T-cellsthus, stopping the insult. The body, then, can effect
 repairs and maintain the restoration effect. As a general rule, only
 one 10 day protocol of 6 capsules (divided into 3 dosages)
 daily (#2 gelatin size) has, generally, been sufficient to remedy the
 vast majority of ALL ARTICULATING JOINT INSULTS
 -at least such has been our experience since we inaugurated this
 protocol in 1994. In about 85% of the cases ONLY one
 course of the protocol was required for a long-term or permanent
 effect. Additionally, we have determined the validity of
 the claim that CMO demonstrates excellent efficacy as a BENEFICIAL
 IMMUNE SYSTEM MODULATOR (when taken at
 reduced levels of around 400 to 500 mg daily).
 I can , with confidence, state that we have achieved what
 we regard as near-miraculous results among a large population of
 volunteers
 (over the immediately-past 15 years) through the application of this
 simple protocol. CMO is completely non-toxic (actually, it is quite
 near to butter.in composition).
 CMO may be obtained from a myriad of sources, via the
 internet. If one is concerned with cost, I recommend obtaining CMO
 in bulk form. Our most reliable supplier of powdered CMO, in both
 efficacy

Re: CSmuscle cramps

[Pat Lawrie]

Did not work for me. 
Pat




From: PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 1:58:42 PM
Subject: Re: CSmuscle cramps


If it happens at night I would suggest throwing a couple of bars of soap into 
your bed.  No need to unwrap but it must be soap and not a detergent bar.

I know it sounds crazy but it does work for many.
PT





From: Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:11:31 AM
Subject: CSmuscle cramps

Lately whenever I try to exercise I get tons of muscle cramps in the subsequent 
days.  When I use a product called First Endurance EFS (Electrolyte Fuel 
System) 
it helps a lot.  But it's very expensive.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for replacing electrolytes on a budget?

-- 
Alan Jones

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor 
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to 
the people.  (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)



  

Re: CSmuscle cramps

[Pat Lawrie]

AND me . Placebos have never worked on me like they do with many. Oh 
that power of suggestion.
Nothing else worked either, ie. mag oil on feet and calves or xtra potassium. 
But lately, I've done nothing and haven't had any cramps for a few months now, 
go figure. I had them at nite and when I was doing Pilates. Stopped Pilates due 
to increasing back pain.
Pat




From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 8:25:54 PM
Subject: Re: CSmuscle cramps


Well wouldn't you just know it?  Had to be me.  :-(
MA





From: PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 8:14:24 PM
Subject: Re: CSmuscle cramps


You are the first 2 I have come across for whom it did not work.  Ah, well! 
PT





From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 7:33:28 PM
Subject: Re: CSmuscle cramps


Didn't work for me either.
MA





From: Pat Lawrie doglandi...@yahoo.com


Did not work for me. 
Pat




From: PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net


If it happens at night I would suggest throwing a couple of bars of soap into 
your bed.  No need to unwrap but it must be soap and not a detergent bar.

I know it sounds crazy but it does work for many.
PT





From: Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:11:31 AM
Subject: CSmuscle cramps

Lately whenever I try to exercise I get tons of muscle cramps in the subsequent 
days.  When I use a product called First Endurance EFS (Electrolyte Fuel 
System) 
it helps a lot.  But it's very expensive.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for replacing electrolytes on a budget?

-- 
Alan Jones

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor 
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to 
the people.  (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)


  

CSVetericyn and Microcyn

[Pat]

Has anyone here used Vetericyn universal Wound  Infection HydroGel Spray?  I 
saw 

an ad for it while watching Dog Whisperer.  Seems it's related to Microcyn Skin 
and Wound HydroGel, which says  It contains hypochlorous acid.  Would that be 
like activated MMS?  It's an expensive product.  
http://www.bigalsonline.com/Universal-Wound-Infection-HydroGel-Spray_10165761_82.html


I'm interested in it for my son's Great Dane.  He licked his rear foot until it 
was a raw, open sore.  It healed when they kept it bandaged, but as soon as 
they 

let him out with no cover on it, he licked it raw again.  They tried colloidal 
silver, but they probably didn't spray it on often enough.  Or, dab it, 
rather.he hates spray.  This has been going on for months.

Pat



  


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Re: CSArthritis vitamin B5

[Pat]

Myristin CMO is animal based, too.  They say:
We're the family company of the discoverer of cetyl myristoleate (CMO),  Harry 
W. Diehl.  EHP Products has been marketing CMO since 1996, and is  the only 
company in the world to offer a 40% CMO softgel.

I tried it think I went through three bottles.  I drank no alcohol and had 
no caffeine.  My diet was probably higher in fat than it should have been.  I 
didn't notice any improvement.  Some day I hope to try again, but with my 
husband home, it's so hard not to have the morning coffee.  


Pat



  


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Re: CSDry Eyes Protocol

[Pat]

Very interesting!  When my eyes are very dry, I seem to have trouble with 
vision, too.  The eye doc said he could tell by looking that I have a problem 
with dry eyes.  


Now if only I could find some help for tinnitus which seems to be getting worse.

Thanks,
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Re: CScs vs mms?

[Pat]

The archives are here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html

This link is found near the bottom of most of the silver list posts.

Pat




From: Betty Freeman ctr68...@centurytel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 6:04:02 PM
Subject: Re: CScs vs mms?


 Hi
i have been studing on  C.silver for some time  an have had good results with 
it 

on humans and animals need more information on  it. Do you know if they have 
taken the archives off the silver list 

- Original Message - 
From: MarshallDudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:17AM
Subject: Re: CScs vs mms?

CS is colloidal particles of silver mixed with ionicsilver.  It is 
effective 

on viruses, bacteria, yeasts and fungi.  Itis also effective on at least 
some protozoa, but not directly effective onparasites. It cannot penetrate 
into the lymph system, and is believed by manyto also be blocked by the 
blood brain barrier.

MMS is sodium chloritewhich when mixed with an acid evolves chlorine 
dioxide.  the chlorinedioxide has some effect on viruses, bacteria, yeasts 
and fungi.  I thinkit is less effective than CS on most if not all of 
these.  It is veryeffective on parasites, and can penetrate into the lymph 
system, andbrain.

Marshall

On 11/23/2010 9:32 AM, Beth wrote: 
Hi 
Okay so I have been studying results from CS and MMS.
Can someone tell me what the difference is?
Is there a different result if I use silver compared to usingmms?
Or do they both do the same thing?
If you have an opinion whether scientific or not, I would like to
hear it.
 
Beth 




  


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Re: CSMercury Filling removal - anesthesia

[Pat]

You know, I would not have had the courage to go to a new dentist if not for 
all 
of you guys standing behind me.  Actually, I wouldn't even have heard about 
mercury-safe dentists.  You people are the best!!!

Thanks,
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Re: CSMercury Filling removal - anesthesia

[Pat]

It was Dr. Palmer in Greenville, SC.  The small fillings are $197 each to 
replace.  Unfortunately, I probably won't be getting the small fillings redone 
until problems with them occur.  The husband is saying he doesn't believe 
mercury causes problems once it's bound up in filling material.  He's sent me 
the Quackwatch article by Stephen Barrett twice.  He asks for hard proof.  
(Other than the sheep study.)

Pat





From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 9:20:12 AM
Subject: Re: CSMercury Filling removal - anesthesia


Pat -- I meant to ask you -- the cost for drilling out the old filling and then 
placing a crown on the tooth cost under $1,000.00?  I need to know the name and 
location of your dentist -- mine quoted me double that for the same work!!
MA



 From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com.


They didn't push me to get all the mercury out.  I asked for prices and had to 
remind them, even.  They said my five remaining small ones would cost about the 
same as the one crown, under $1,000.  She said they could get them out in two 
appointments, probably 45 min to an hour.  I'm so glad I went there.







  


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Re: CSMercury Filling removal - anesthesia

[Pat]

Hi.  Today I went to the mercury safe dentist.  His office was beautiful, the 
staff kind and competent, and everything went well.  They had me select a movie 
and put headphones on (this really helped!)  While drilling the filling out, 
they wore respirators and I had an oxygen mask.  They put a rubber dam in place 
and used lots of water.  


I asked him what kind of injection anesthesia he uses, and he asked why I 
wanted 
to know.  I said someone said they've had problems with their tongue ever since 
Septocaine was used.  He said that can happen with any type and that it does 
happen once in a while.  He said it couldn't happen with an upper tooth being 
worked on.  At one point the tooth started hurting again, so he gave me another 
injection.

After things were all clean, the dentist dusted my teeth, took images, then 
used 
a computer device to plan the tooth crown.  He made one, but wasn't happy with 
it, so modified it and made another.  Then he polished it and it's great.  The 
nurse showed me to the restroom to rinse my mouth with mouthwash and wipe my 
face with a hot washcloth.  One dental visit, under two hours.

I got nervous and trembling a few times, (dental phobia thing) but each time 
I'd 
do EFT in my head and the trembling stopped instantly.  


They didn't push me to get all the mercury out.  I asked for prices and had to 
remind them, even.  They said my five remaining small ones would cost about the 
same as the one crown, under $1,000.  She said they could get them out in two 
appointments, probably 45 min to an hour.  I'm so glad I went there.

Pat





From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 6:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: CSMercury Filling removal - anesthesia


Whatever you do DON'T have articaine (Septocaine)  used on you.  This 4% 
solution (lido is a 2% solution) is TOXIC to your  lingual and IAN nerves and 
can cause permanent paresthesia/dysesthesia.  I  suffer from a permanent 
dysesthesia of my tongue due to an injection of  articaine for a lower 
mandibular block as a prep for a root canal. NEVER let a  dentist use this drug 
on you.  

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: jessie70 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:35PM
Subject: RE: CSMercury Fillingremoval - anesthesia


Paula, whyis carbacaine better than lidocaine? I am also having work done 
at 

the end ofthis month, removing a large, old mercury filling and replacing 
with apartial crown and also two smaller mercury fillings to be 
replaced. 
Thanks, Jess
-Original Message-
From: Paula Samuels Anthis  [mailto:npalacios...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010  10:19 PM
To: Silver-Eskimo Forum
Subject: CSMercury  Filling removal - anesthesia


Just an FYIIF IF IF there is any overlaying illness such as chronic  
fatigue/fibromyalgia/hypothyroidism/MCS/EI present we may not clear the  
usual local mouth anesthesia of have a mild reaction we have considered  
normal just because it is the way we have always felt after dental work  
requiring injection anesthesia.  I am thankful a dentist actually lookd  
at 

my medical history and said You know I just attended a workshop and 
they  
said that Carbocaine is the anesthesia of choice for folks like you 
because  
it does not clear by the same pathways that lidocaine does and they said  
that since the epinepherine can cause you some problems too, I'll use 
plain  
Carbocaine.   WOW the difference in recovery was amazing, none of  the 
jaw 

sensations or body flu like symptoms.  

 
He was also the doc that refused to use a dam in my mouth because  It  
would take so much time in my chair and you will do just fine when he  
removed a mercury filling.  I was at the very end of dental insurance  
and 

he was willing to say I needed the fillings replaced,  s.   I had 
to 

go through major detox because he would not  use that dam, and probably 
because so far as I knew it was the last mercury  in my mouth..and I 
could not afford a biologic dentist.
 
Although I have not had any need for any mouth anesthesia in the last 8  
years (Yea!).  I have made my new dentist note that if I  need injectable 
anesthesia he is to use only Carbocaine for me - - -  reply from dental 
tech 

and dentist No problem, we have it right here as  the tech reached into 
the drawer to show it to me.

 
Pat, we are hoping things go well for the mercury removal!
 
Blessings from  Paula



  


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Re: CSMercury Filling

[Pat]

Thanks for all the suggestions about what do to help clear the body of mercury. 
 
I'll have to do more reading about how to use clay (I have some, but don't know 
if it's the right kind or how to do it) and find out how to use activated 
charcoal.  Luckily I'm already taking some of the recommended supplements.

Last night after much searching, I'd decided to stick with my dentist of 21 
years.  He hasn't used mercury fillings in maybe 20 years.   He does nice work 
and makes sure the bite is perfect.  I looked online and out of over 100 
dentists in this area, there is only one mercury-safe dentist.  I figured if 
all 
those very intelligent dentists don't think the mercury is an issue for their 
health and that of their patients and staff, then maybe it's overblown.  


I thought I'd be required to have an expensive consultation and checkup and 
possibly x-rays if I went to a new dentist.  Today I called, and the price is a 
little under $1,000 for a crown at the mercury safe dentist, which is very 
little over the amount I was quoted from my own.  They said I wouldn't have to 
see him before the appointment.  So, the only problem is that once I see that 
one which is about 1 1/2 hour away, I can't go back to my old one.  I know 
nothing of this new one's work.  But at least I know he's cautious and believes 
in doing all he can to help one's health.  This has been nerve-wracking!  I've 
always had a fear of dentists even though this one has only given me maybe two 
seconds of pain in all these years.  I sure hate the though of going to someone 
new.  


Pat





From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 1:44:43 PM
Subject: Re: CSMercury Filling


I asked him if he could prevent the mercury he removes from entering my body 
and 
he said oh yes, and something about high speed drill and vaporizing, etc.  So 
how are you supposed to know if you can trust the dentist you've used 
successfully for 21 years or not.  And if there are 100 dentists in the area, 
how would you know which one could do it better?

Pat






From: Beth csilverl...@yahoo.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 9:57:07 AM
Subject: Re: CSMercury Filling


I also heard, years ago, that you should go to a dentist that specializes in 
removing those
fillings. So that you do not become poisoned in the removal process. Any 
dentist 
can remove
them but not all dentists do it properly.
Beth



I would suggest you find a dentist who will protect you during the process.  
It 
sounds like this one is playing with your health.
PT





 From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 3:58:23 PM
Subject: CSMercury Filling

I went to the dentist today and although they said the gums were very healthy, 
I 

have a tooth with a big mercury filling that needs a crown.  It was originally 
filled in 1989 and has some decay.  The dentist, who calls them silver 
fillings, 

quit using them many years ago but won't come out and say they're bad.  They 
now 

have crowns with no metal, made of zirconia.  I'll be glad to get rid of the 
old 

filling, but I'm sure this regular dentist won't be doing all sorts of 
whatever 

the ones do who specialize in removing mercury fillings.  It's to  be  done 
one 

week from tomorrow.  Is there something I can take to start protecting me from 
the mercury I'll be inhaling or whatever?  Anything I should do afterwards?

Thanks, Pat



 


  

Re: CSMercury Filling

[Pat]

I asked him if he could prevent the mercury he removes from entering my body 
and 
he said oh yes, and something about high speed drill and vaporizing, etc.  So 
how are you supposed to know if you can trust the dentist you've used 
successfully for 21 years or not.  And if there are 100 dentists in the area, 
how would you know which one could do it better?

Pat






From: Beth csilverl...@yahoo.ca
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 9:57:07 AM
Subject: Re: CSMercury Filling


I also heard, years ago, that you should go to a dentist that specializes in 
removing those
fillings. So that you do not become poisoned in the removal process. Any 
dentist 
can remove
them but not all dentists do it properly.
Beth



I would suggest you find a dentist who will protect you during the process.  
It 
sounds like this one is playing with your health.
PT





 From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 3:58:23 PM
Subject: CSMercury Filling

I went to the dentist today and although they said the gums were very healthy, 
I 

have a tooth with a big mercury filling that needs a crown.  It was originally 
filled in 1989 and has some decay.  The dentist, who calls them silver 
fillings, 

quit using them many years ago but won't come out and say they're bad.  They 
now 

have crowns with no metal, made of zirconia.  I'll be glad to get rid of the 
old 

filling, but I'm sure this regular dentist won't be doing all sorts of 
whatever 

the ones do who specialize in removing mercury fillings.  It's to  be  done 
one 

week from tomorrow.  Is there something I can take to start protecting me from 
the mercury I'll be inhaling or whatever?  Anything I should do afterwards?

Thanks, Pat



 



  

Re: CSsick dog

[Pat]

Guess they have no worms in Irelandjust like snakes.






From: PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 10:10:16 AM
Subject: Re: CSsick dog


Now Guinness is the kind of medicine I would like to take.  Why can't they come 
up with this kind of dosing for humans???
PT





 From: Gaiacita gaiac...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:11:48 PM
Subject: Re: CSsick dog

on the CS list for pets, there was a few posts about giving a specific type of 
beer to dogs to stop all parasitic worms--you must have the Irish imported 
Guinness with the black label on the bottle.  not extra stout, but a different 
name which I can't remember right now.  the dose rate was 1 ounce of beer to 25 
pounds of dog.  it was allowed to set out so that it became flat (so it didn't 
make gas in the dog) and then it could either be given directly as a drink or 
poured over food.  it was also said to cure 

ehrichisis (sp).  it is given once, and then 2 weeks later given again.  after 
that it is given once a month.

in the case of heartworms, the dog is checked in 2 months for worms in the 
filia 
stage, and if found, then the original dose (twice the first month) was given 
again.

it kills the parasites by being seen as food by them,  so they don't reject it, 
or send out poison trying to get the dog to stop taking it (like medicine does) 
but it makes them sterile so they can't reproduce.  it is said to work on all 
but whip worms, if I remember right.  


since ehrichisis comes from ticks, we were also told the beer helped control 
that disease.  the lady that posted these messages is no longer on the group, I 
think--at least she hasn't posted for a long time.  but if you join the group 
you can go back and read the original messages about this.

samala,
Renee


On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:

Probably about 20 pounds
- Original Message - 
From: PT Ferrance 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: CSsick dog


What is the weight of the dog?
PT




  

CSMercury Filling

[Pat]

I went to the dentist today and although they said the gums were very healthy, 
I 
have a tooth with a big mercury filling that needs a crown.  It was originally 
filled in 1989 and has some decay.  The dentist, who calls them silver 
fillings, 
quit using them many years ago but won't come out and say they're bad.  They 
now 
have crowns with no metal, made of zirconia.  I'll be glad to get rid of the 
old 
filling, but I'm sure this regular dentist won't be doing all sorts of whatever 
the ones do who specialize in removing mercury fillings.  It's to be done one 
week from tomorrow.  Is there something I can take to start protecting me from 
the mercury I'll be inhaling or whatever?  Anything I should do afterwards?

Thanks, Pat



  


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Re: CSUnidentified subject!

[Pat]

Drug selling site.  Can it be dangerous to go to a .com website?
Pat





From: Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 9:42:28 AM
Subject: Re: CSUnidentified subject!

If anybody opens this, let me know if it crashes your computer.   If not what 
is 
the subject ?


On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:17 AM, truez2...@yahoo.com wrote:

http://ybijucimohy.blogspot.com 



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Re: CSZapper for Tooth Pain

[Pat]

What is the difference between a zapper and a Godzilla?  I'm looking around in 
Microelectricitygermkiller2 and don't find the instructions for making the 
Godzilla.

Thanks, 
Pat




- Original Message 
From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: CSZapper for Tooth Pain

Pat,

   You might be able to use a zapper but the Godzilla device works for this 
every time.  It will not only relieve you of the pain, but it will kill the 
infection in the tooth, gum, or root of the tooth and can save you thousands on 
dental bills.  Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for schematics 
on 
how to make one for under $10.   You can buy a very nice one with a volt meter 
on it from V at lig...@theledman.net   I've used this device many times and 
it 
has naver failed me.

Bob
- Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: CSZapper for Tooth Pain


 Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about one with a
 crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I want to 
know
 before I NEED to know.
 
 
 Thanks.
 
 Pat
 


  


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CSZapper for Tooth Pain

[Pat]

Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about one with a 
crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I want to 
know 
before I NEED to know. 


Thanks.

Pat



  


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CSTest

[Pat]

Ok, now I know there must be something wrong.  Can't all be vacationing this 
much!

Pat



  


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CSShingles

[Pat]

About seven weeks ago while touring the west, my husband had itching on his 
back.  I looked and there were four red bumps in a row, so I put Benadryl itch 
stick on them.  After a day or two, there were a couple more bumps.  Then I 
thought poison ivy and started colloidal silver spray.  After another day or 
so, 
he said they didn't only itch, but it hurt inside.  Then I realized it was 
shingles (which I've never seen before.)  They eventually covered a four or 
five 
inch square on his back plus a few under his arm and below the nipple.

We started dabbing on very strong colloidal silver mixed with DMSO three or 
four 
times a day.  (90% CS with about 10% DMSO which is 70% strength)  This would 
always sooth the pain for a while.  He also sprayed a few quirts of CS orally 
about three times a day. He'd take an Aleve if the pain was bothering him, 
usually when he was trying to sleep.

He said it felt like a bullet wound in his back.  Gradually it got better, 
mostly he had itching and low grade pain.  The spots scabbed over and faded 
quite a lot.  But here it is weeks later, and it was still there, so Monday he 
started drinking a couple ounces colloidal silver mixed with 3 ounces Gatorade 
three or four times a day (I'd told him he should do this at the beginning, but 
he didn't.)

He was in so much pain last night and is still having pain this morning. It's 
like it was at the beginning, the bullet wound pain.  So, why did using the 
colloidal silver internally cause the pain to flair up again?  I'm so worried 
about post herpetic neuralgia.  I wonder if he should continue drinking the CS. 
 


Pat


  


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CSDry eye

[Pat]

For dry eye, my ophthalmologist recommends any brand of eye lubricating drops 
except Visine.  I like Systane in the vials since there is less chance of 
infection when every day you open a fresh one, plus they're free of 
preservatives, but they are more expensive that way.
(cheaper at WalMart)
http://www.drugstore.com/qxp150924_333181_sespider/systane/lubricant_eye_drops_preservative_free_vials.htm


Pat


  


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CSPeripheral Neuropathy

[Pat]

Someone on another list told me this after about three months of trying it:  I 
also wanted to thank you for recommending the Super-R Lipoic Acid for the pain 
on the bottom of my feet. I've been taking it since February and though I'm not 
100% better, there is a remarkable difference. No doctor has been able to 
suggest anything that has come close to helping as much as this has.

Sol, I can't remember if you said you've tried ALA or R lipoic acid.  I've been 
traveling for two months in the western part of the US, so have gotten behind 
and still have over 200 messages to read to catch up.  We went right past your 
neck of the woods, I think.through Rock Springs and Rawlins.  Quite 
different than last time I saw them during a blizzard in winter.

Pat


  


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Re: CSarthritic pain

[Pat Lawrie]

When I got my Mag oil, already made, I put it on my face. And oh yeah, did it 
burn and face turned beet red.
Washed it off immediately. Since then have been using it on feet and ankles 
morning and nite. Still get leg cramps tho. Will buy from the source below and 
also look for an internal pill. I must be really deficient, or it's the 
potassium or.???
Pat




From: mhale mchl.h...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 5:51:54 PM
Subject: Re: CSarthritic pain


Are you experiencing any burning sensations or ?
I just ordered 5lb of Nigari from Natural Import
mike




From: Garrick zzen...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 3:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: CSarthritic pain

What I read was half cup magnesium chloride flakes to half cup waterBut I 
ended up adding more flakes than that. At least a cup of flakes. You will know 
when too many flakes have been added because they won't dissolve. No big deal. 
Just decant the good liquid into another container and leave the flakes behind 
for your next batch

I am using my home made magnesium oil...

Mag oil is just water that has had as much magnesium chloride flakes added to 
it as possible

garrick


  

Re: Re: CSarthritic pain

[Pat Lawrie]

Glad you said this, cuz Dove is the one I use for bathing and intended to use 
in the bed.
Anxious to try this and see if it works for me as well.
Pat





From: kathy.she...@verizon.net kathy.she...@verizon.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 2:42:00 PM
Subject: Re: Re: CSarthritic pain



My family has used this with success for restless legs.  I have heard any soap 
except Dove and Dial is OK .
Kathy





Jun 14, 2010 11:34:35 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:

Any bar soap? 


samala,
Renee
www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt 
Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps 
you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here 

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Re: CSlazer

[Pat]

Is the medical laser more powerful than the normal ones we use?  If so, 
wouldn't it cook the blood and skin?  Is it just one light?

I'm sorry you're heading for knee replacement, but I've never heard anyone say 
they were sorry they had it done (after a few months  lol.)  I had a partial 
done a bit over a year ago.  I had problems with tendonitis and bursitis which 
started ten weeks after surgery.  I found the BoneSmart forum a lifesaver.  
It's for people with hip or knee replacements.  A friendly, supportive place.  
When I had surgery, I took colloidal silver in a Dasani water bottle with my 
name on the cap and took a few swigs each day to prevent MRSA.

Pat




From: brick...@aol.com brick...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 1:54:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSlazer

I am glad I bought my LLL back in about 1985 for 
$150. My LLL was a 2 watt 904 nm infrared laser 
used for Lab purposes, not a medical laser, even then a medical laser version 
(Polaris) cost about $2000. I bought my lab laser from Information Unlimited, 
Amherst, NH. phone 8002211705. Dr Gordon even said it worked the same 
as his Polaris laser, and even said why not build your own as he knew I 
worked in Electronics. This unit would seal a cut with new skin in 30 
minutes. DR Gordon used the Polaris on his son after he had 
arthoscopic surgery on his knee cartilage while playing football at UCLA. 
One week after surgery he told his coach he was ready to play again. He made 
the 
first team and got two rose bowl rings so it healed pretty well.
 
I might require a total knee replacement as the bone on bone is getting 
pain that keeps going even in bed. I used 4 bottles of CMO plus the amega 
wand and still can barely walk. I doubt that my DR will allow me to bring in my 
laser but I might bring the amega wand to the Hospital. When Gordon used 
the laser after knee surgery they had his Surgeon not cover the incision so 
the laser could directly reach the incision. From what I have read the amega 
wand reduces pain similar to the LLL .
Brickey


  


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CSOne Silver Coin

[Pat]

I carry one Canadian maple leaf silver coin in my billfold as a good luck thing 
(figure if disaster occurs, I can make my own good luck using it.)  So, if I 
was away from home and had no other silver, would it be better to use the one 
coin and a copper wire or stainless steel spoon or something metal, or would it 
be better to cut the coin in half and use those to make colloidal silver?

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Re: CSGoogle Launches Encrypted Search and also Encrypted Gmail Option

[Pat]

Google is not too accurate.  They keep showing a house down the road as our 
house address.  I correct it, but then it happens again.  I guess it's good in 
case someone's looking for me.  lol  Our picture shows hubby on the lawnmower 
out front.  Wonder how many people have seen a car in the driveway which 
shouldn't be there (the wife's boyfriend?  hahaha)  

When we were driving the FedEx truck, the live view maps were wonderful.  We 
could check out the area before going in.  You don't want to end up in tight 
spaces or wrong places in a large truck.

Pat






  


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Re: CSantidoting cayenne

[Pat]

A couple of times when my son sauteed jalapenos, we've all started coughing and 
running to raise the windows.  I wonder how you're supposed to cook them if you 
want a few with your fajitas.

Pat





From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 9:46:10 AM
Subject: Re: CSantidoting cayenne

  
Boy, I believe this.  When I make a hab tincture and open the lid to the 
blender, I've learned to lean wy back and hold my breath.
 
Samala,
Renee
 
---Original Message---
 
  
A minute after the microwave turns on, nobody stays in that house.
It's a lot  harder to be robbed when all you have is your jammies out in
the yard and everybody is half blind and crying.


  


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Re: CSTincture of Cayenne

[Pat]

Hi. I'm fine, thanks.  The tincture of cayenne didn't harm my stomach or mouth. 
 I'd just be concerned about giving some to a person who was half out of it.  
Two or three droppers would run down the throat and possibly into the windpipe. 
 I just can't imagineit's not like the burn stops quickly (or at all?)  I'd 
like to hear some real-life stories from people who have done this.  (hahaha, 
your poor dad, Renee!)

I would love to have the patches.  Guess I could put some on a cotton ball, 
maybe with some DMSO, and tape it on.  

Pat



- Original Message 
From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 3:14:19 PM
Subject: CSTincture of Cayenne

Well, I'm still alive today, so I guess last night's event was caused by 
stomach rather than heart. (Or Cayenne works for heart problems.) I had chest 
pain when I went to bed, but not too bad.  I thought perhaps the salsa verde 
with 1/4 fresh onion and tortilla chips (I love very hot salsa, but this I'd 
eaten wasn't very hot.) followed a couple hours later with pineapple yogurt 
were causing problems. But I couldn't tell at all where the pain originated.  I 
awoke in the night with more pain.  Had a little pain in both arms evenly.  I 
got the cayenne tincture and drank 10 drops in 4 oz water.  Wow, what a burn! 
Drank another glass of water. I went back to bed and later awoke again with 
pain. 

I remembered (I thought) that one could put the tincture right under the 
tongue.  So, in bed, I dropped a few drops straight under the tonguedon't 
know how many.  Couldn't feel anything for several seconds.  Then all of a 
sudden, a flash fire!!!  I clawed my way out of bed and jumped up and ran to 
the sink for water.  I drank several small cups while tears poured from my 
eyes.  The burn was intense.  I felt I could hardly breathe.  I was swaying 
around and silently screaming.  I finally thought maybe I'd damaged my mouth 
and grabbed the colloidal silver spray bottle.  I sprayed and swished and spit 
out (because it was so foamy) several mouthfuls.  Finally the pain faded to a 
level where I could get back to bed.  Mouth pain, I mean.the chest pain was 
almost secondary after that  lol.  Today there is just a very slight feeling of 
discomfort.

My advicedon't ever use tincture of cayenne straight!  

Pat



  


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Re: CSOrgonite Ordering

[Pat]

Funny, I was thinking all along that there was so much, so soon, that it was 
probably to drum up a desire for a product for a reason.  

Pat




From: bodhisattva 
To: lyme_r...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: CSot: Orgonite Ordering

I just wanted to let folks know, production for this season has begun - the 
nice weather finally arrived.  This may sound like a sales pitch, well, it 
really isn't, but it kind of is.. I just got hit with sticker shock, I had to 
order more supplies, and it set me back a small fortune. My prices are going 
up effective next week, and the reason for this is multiple.. 




  

Re: CSOrgonite Ordering

[Pat]

So you really believe in it?  I have 457 unread messages on the silver off 
topic list.  Just can't stay caught up lately.

Pat






From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 1:15:44 PM
Subject: Re: CSOrgonite Ordering

I'll teach anyone to make it themselves. To be honest, the first real
Advertisement I sent out was the one a few days ago on this email
list. I've never really tried to get customers. They come..

But Marshall has a lot of experience with Orgonite independent of me.
Which is cool, I run into more and more people with experience in it,
so it sort of starts to sell itself if you make nice pieces. I even
offered to send a piece free to anyone that pays shipping, along with
instructions on how to make your own.

Pat wrote: 
 
Funny,
I was thinking all along that there was so much, so soon, that it was
probably to drum up a desire for a product for a reason.  

Pat





From: bodhisattva 
To: lyme_r...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: CSot: Orgonite Ordering


I just wanted to let folks know, production for this season has begun -
the nice weather finally arrived.  This may sound like a sales pitch,
well, it really isn't, but it kind of is.. I just got hit with sticker
shock, I had to order more supplies, and it set me back a small
fortune. My prices are going up effective next week, and the reason for
this is multiple.. 





  

CSTincture of Cayenne

[Pat]

Well, I'm still alive today, so I guess last night's event was caused by 
stomach rather than heart. (Or Cayenne works for heart problems.) I had chest 
pain when I went to bed, but not too bad.  I thought perhaps the salsa verde 
with 1/4 fresh onion and tortilla chips (I love very hot salsa, but this I'd 
eaten wasn't very hot.) followed a couple hours later with pineapple yogurt 
were causing problems. But I couldn't tell at all where the pain originated.  I 
awoke in the night with more pain.  Had a little pain in both arms evenly.  I 
got the cayenne tincture and drank 10 drops in 4 oz water.  Wow, what a burn! 
Drank another glass of water. I went back to bed and later awoke again with 
pain. 

 I remembered (I thought) that one could put the tincture right under the 
tongue.  So, in bed, I dropped a few drops straight under the tonguedon't 
know how many.  Couldn't feel anything for several seconds.  Then all of a 
sudden, a flash fire!!!  I clawed my way out of bed and jumped up and ran to 
the sink for water.  I drank several small cups while tears poured from my 
eyes.  The burn was intense.  I felt I could hardly breathe.  I was swaying 
around and silently screaming.  I finally thought maybe I'd damaged my mouth 
and grabbed the colloidal silver spray bottle.  I sprayed and swished and spit 
out (because it was so foamy) several mouthfuls.  Finally the pain faded to a 
level where I could get back to bed.  Mouth pain, I mean.the chest pain was 
almost secondary after that  lol.  Today there is just a very slight feeling of 
discomfort.

My advicedon't ever use tincture of cayenne straight!  

Pat



  


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Re: CSlaser pen and arthritis

[Pat]

I tried the DMSO and laser on my joint where the hand meets the wrist at the 
thumb (have some bony abnormalities there.)  I held the laser a couple inches 
away.  It was very bright and I was wondering if I should wear protective eye 
covering or not.  It seemed to sting a little.  Should I hold the laser right 
up against the skin?  Having some kind of problem on that whole underside of 
the wrist, sensitive skin and pain inside on lateral side right where the hand 
joins the wrist.  I've tried to make sure I'm not using the computer 
differently ...keeping hand and arm aligned, etc.  I've used plain DMSO on it a 
couple times, but can't really tell if it helps.

Pat




- Original Message 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 1:31:40 PM
Subject: Re: CSlaser pen and arthritis

Thank you Steve.  dee

On 19 May 2010, at 16:08, Norton, Steve wrote:

 Here is Brooks Bradley's post:
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg131078.html
 
 Additionally, applying the 
 beam of a simple laser pointer (Red color) directly upon the afflicted 
 joint and moving very slowly across the area of 
 concentrated pain (takes about 2 minutes for the top of a finger-
 joint), has, in a majority of casesfurnished 
 quite high-speed pain abatement. Used in tandem (DMSO applied first, 
 followed by Laser or High-intensity LED) these simple addresses have 
 easily surpassed all but use of POWERFUL TOPICAL ANAESTHETIC AGENTS 
 (such as novocaine, lidocaine, procaine, etc.) in achieving immediate 
 pain relief. Additionally, the beneficial effects of these non-
 intrusive protocols.rendered much longer-lasting benefits---before 
 any form of pain presentation reappeared, 
 than did the conventional topical anaesthetic agents.
 
 - Steve N
 
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Re: CSlaser pen and arthritis

[Pat]

I hadn't heard of Topricin, but will get some soon, thanks.  My fingers don't 
hurt now, but a couple months ago I noticed numbness at the very tips of two or 
three of them.  That's gone now, but all this other has developed.  

When I use DMSO, maybe a 3 by 4 area below the knee, the next day I have a 
slight dull headache.  I've noticed that a few times.  I used 60% or now my new 
70% straight.  I clean the area with colloidal silver, then pat the DMSO on.  
Anybody else have DMSO headaches?

Pat




- Original Message 
From: Del d...@altsystem.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 8:33:49 PM
Subject: Re: CSlaser pen and arthritis

I had a similar problem on the underside of wrist and realized I was flirting 
with carpal tunnel syndrome.
Does it hurt to put pressure on your fingers?
I cured it with DMSO (70%) over which I put a generous layer of Topricin Cream.
Did this at least two, three times a day.
Highly recommend the Topricin with DMSO.
Topricin is designed for carpal tunnel and stops the DMSO from itching.
Also cured tennis elbow (bad case!) that same way.
Don't know much about the laser treatment, I'm interested in learning about 
that myself.

Del

- Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: CSlaser pen and arthritis


 I tried the DMSO and laser on my joint where the hand meets the wrist at the 
 thumb (have some bony abnormalities there.)  I held the laser a couple inches 
 away.  It was very bright and I was wondering if I should wear protective eye 
 covering or not.  It seemed to sting a little.  Should I hold the laser right 
 up against the skin?  Having some kind of problem on that whole underside of 
 the wrist, sensitive skin and pain inside on lateral side right where the 
 hand joins the wrist.  I've tried to make sure I'm not using the computer 
 differently ...keeping hand and arm aligned, etc.  I've used plain DMSO on it 
 a couple times, but can't really tell if it helps.
 
 Pat
 




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Re: CSCeramic heat emitter

[Pat]

I have a clay filled wrap that I heat in the microwave and then velcro it onto 
my knee.  A year after partial knee replacement I'm still having bursitis or 
tendonitis on the medial side under the knee.  Would the heat lamp be more 
effective than that?  Is the sun just as effective as the lamp? (except that 
it's not there when you want it sometimes  lol)

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Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer

[Pat]

OdorXit sells fast release and slow release chlorine dioxide products.  I 
haven't 
ordered from them.
http://odorxit.com/?catalogdclo2s
http://www.odorxit.com/?catalog

I buy my chlorine dioxide hang-ups from West Marine.  No one who works there 
will 
know what you mean though, so here's the product to ask for:
STARBRITE 

M-D-G Mildew Odor Control Bags

http://tinyurl.com/3ke7n2

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Re: CSSolid sodium chlorite mold killer

[Pat]

Good.  I don't know why these are so hard to find.  I looked forever to find 
these again in February.  

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Re: CSPong...

[Pat]

Guess I can close my mouth now.  Couldn't believe my eyes!  hahahaha

Pat





From: Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 4:06:15 PM
Subject: Re: CSPong...

I'm fed up, I quit. Mike Devour, you, you, you're the worst moderator I've ever 
seen and just plain mean mean mean I can't even use rich text for goodness 
sake. And that Brooks Bradley, what good is he




April Fools Day :*

This is absolutely the best list I'm on...course it's the only one I'm on. No, 
actually I'm on about 6 and this is the best!

Warm regards to you and the whole list and happy April Fools Day!
Sandy

--- On Thu, 4/1/10, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:

 From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSPing...
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 10:36 AM
 To answer a couple of queries I
 received: No, you're still subscribed 
 folks, and the list is working! It's just vewwwy quiet
 here!
 
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Re: CSasthma

[Pat]

This is from Life Extension Foundation
 
The February 2010 issue of the Journal 
of Asthma published the findings of a clinical trial involving 
adults with mild to moderate asthma which noted improvements in asthma 
control and quality of life after six months of supplementation with 
magnesium.
Alexandra Kazaks, PhD of Bastyr 
University in Kenmore, Washington, along with colleagues at the 
University of California, Davis, randomized 55 asthmatic men and women 
aged 21 to 55 to receive 340 milligrams per day magnesium as magnesium 
citrate or a placebo for 6.5 months. Bronchial responsiveness, as 
assessed by a methacholine challenge test, and pulmonary function, 
assessed by spirometry, were evaluated before and after the treatment 
period. Questionnaires designed to assess asthma control and quality of 
life were administered at the beginning and end of the study, and 
exhaled nitric oxide and serum C-reactive protein were measured to 
evaluate bronchial and systemic inflammation. Additionally, magnesium in serum, 
red blood cells and urine, and total body magnesium stores were 
analyzed. Dietary intake of magnesium was quantified via 24-hour dietary 
records completed prior to the initial visit and at 3 and 6.5 months.
There were no significant changes 
in markers of magnesium status or inflammation observed between baseline and 
end of study values or between the treatment and placebo groups. 
Nevertheless, bronchial reactivity improved in the group that received 
magnesium, as indicated by an increase in the concentration of 
methacholine required to result in a 20 percent decrease in forced 
expiratory volume. Improvements were also observed in peak expiratory 
flow rate, and subjective assessments of asthma control and quality of 
life.
The authors remark that 
interactions of magnesium with calcium and the influence of the mineral 
on the cell membrane confer anti-inflammatory and bronchodilatory 
properties that could help improve asthma control. They suggest that the 
shorter duration of previous studies that failed to find significant 
benefits for magnesium in asthma control may not have been sufficient to effect 
improvements. Although there is conflicting research regarding 
magnesium supplementation and asthma outcomes, this study adds to the 
body of research that shows a beneficial response to magnesium 
supplementation in people who have mild to moderate asthma, they 
conclude. 

   
Asthma
During as asthma attack, a cascade of events is launched that results in the 
production of histamine and 
leukotrienes. Leukotrienes are derived from the inflammatory arachidonic acid. 
These inflammatory mediators cause a host of changes in bronchial tissue: they 
trigger a dramatic increase in mucus secretion and a 
simultaneous rapid constriction of the bronchial smooth muscle, which 
narrows the bronchial tubes and reduces the amount of air that can pass 
through them. Over the course of the subsequent few hours, inflammatory 
cells move into the area, capillaries begin to leak fluid, and direct 
tissue damage occurs, triggering further inflammation and swelling. The 
net result is wheezing and coughing and eventual trapping of air in the 
alveoli (a tiny, thin-walled, capillary-rich sac in the lungs, or air 
sac) and smaller airways. This air trapping is most dangerous to the 
asthmatic because it progressively limits the amount of air that can be 
exchanged between the lungs and the blood stream, eventually causing 
rising carbon dioxide levels and falling oxygen levels. The increased 
muscular effort required to move air increases oxygen demand, tissue 
metabolism, and acid production, eventually resulting in exhaustion and, in 
extreme cases, respiratory collapse and arrest.
Why the bronchial tubes become so 
sensitive in asthmatics is not fully understood, but research suggests 
that immune-system cells known as T cells play a central role. Some T 
cells induce inflammation to fight off a foreign threat, while others 
reduce inflammation once the threat has subsided. Conditions such as 
asthma, in which the body overreacts to threats, may be related to an 
imbalance or malfunction of these and other immune-system components 
(Tosca MA et al 2003; Howard TD et al 2002; Ray A et al 2000).
The idea behind nutritional 
supplementation is to disrupt this inflammatory cascade whenever 
possible. For example, omega-3 fatty acids have been shown to inhibit 
the production of arachidonic acid, which reduces the concentration of 
inflammatory leukotrienes (Wong KW 2005). Other nutrients, such as 
curcumin, interfere with other causative factors in the inflammatory 
cascade, such as inhibiting nuclear factor kappa beta and an enzyme that 
converts arachidonic acid to leukotriene B4.
Several studies have indicated 
that patients with asthma have lower levels of magnesium within the 
cells lining the airways. When daily magnesium supplementation was given to 
children with mild to moderate asthma, 

Re: CShelp for clogged arteries

[Pat Lawrie]

There is a site www.serrapeptase.info which has a lot of info. I bought 
serrapeptase from them and noticed myself taking in deep breaths within just a 
few days. I didn't even know I wasn't breathing deeply till then. So I recently 
just added their Blockbuster All Clear and take it with Curcumin.
Pat





From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 10:40:47 AM
Subject: Re: CS help for clogged arteries

Serrapeptase has shown itself to be very good at completely clearing arteries. 
My wife's blood pressure went down with blood pressure from 150/100 to 115/65 
without taking medicine blood pressure medicine after only one month of taking 
it. I believe that the heart surgeons would have to find another job if 
everyone would try that before surgery.

Caution, to NOT take too much at once. If you have blocked arteries it needs to 
be removed slowly, if you take too much, chunks can break off and cause a 
stroke. But this is not a problem, it will clear vessels usually within a month 
or two.

We initially took 2 capsules of SerraGold 100,000 IU a day, And once our blood 
pressure was normal and all the blockage gone (in about a month), we shitched 
to Drs 40.000 Best one a day for maintenance.

Marshall

Kirsteen Wright wrote:
 Hi can anyone offer any suggestions or pointers to the archives please. A 
 friend of mine (male 60) has recently had a heart attack. The angiogram 
 showed one artery completely blocked and the others severely constricted. He 
 will probably have a quadruple bypass very soon. He has never smoked, 
 exercises regularly and eats a vegan diet.
 
 He is very open to adding in supplements, complimentary therapies and a 
 natural approach to the problem. However, surfing the web for advice he feels 
 bombarded with sites all promising miracle cures if he just pays £ XXX for 
 whatever they're selling.
 
 I know there's some really knowledgeable people here. What would you suggest 
 he tries. Any advice gratefully received.
 
 Thanks
 Kirsteen


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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Pat]

Is it widely reported?  (the coconut water?) Seems I just read the same case 
over and over.  The same with the Can-C.  It's the one Russian study.  my eye 
doc had given me the ok to try Can-C, but I've only been using it once a day 
for the last couple months.  I'll try to start using it twice a day.  So 
expensive though.

Pat



- Original Message 
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:11:28 AM
Subject: Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

Dear Sol,

You write:
 I am really disappointed with my results. sol 

Then there is the widely reported effect of coconut water on cataracts. 
Have you done anything in that direction?

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CSOT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes

[Pat Lawrie]

After all I read about CanC, I bought the 6pak. After the first bottle of 
putting drops in 2-3 times a day, I noticed NO change. I stopped it and plan to 
start again (pretty expensive for no results), but now am feeling less hopeful.
Pat





From: sun sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 12:01:47 AM
Subject: Re: CS OT-CAN-C and Bright-eyes

Tankersley larry wrote:
 Hey Folks;
 Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? Or other 
 modalities?
 I've been dealing with a retinal detachment [twice now] since Dec. and they 
 inject the gas bubble causes a rapid increase in the cataract. I'd really 
 like to skip the operation. TIA
 Larry Tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA
Larry,
I have been using either Bright Eyes or CAN-C for about a year now (with a few 
gaps): CAN-C we are just finishing up 3 boxes of (6 bottles). I had great hopes 
for it, but have to say at my last eye exam just a few weeks ago the cataracts 
were still present, and the one in the left eye may have been just a tad worse 
(or not). The only good news is there has been no significant INCREASE in the 
cataract in either eye, Which may be due to the CAN-C and Bright Eyes, or may 
be due to the CS / MSM / DMSO eye drops I also use at times ( I stopped for 
over a month after a vitreous detachment in the left eye.
I also would really like to skip cataract surgery, and am very lucky the 
vitreous detachment (which seems to have been total) did not cause a retinal 
tear or detachment. In my case the left eye Suffered an inflammation after the 
vitreous detachment, Which is now apparently gone, but I have months yet to 
think about cataract surgery, as it can not be done until it is certain the 
inflammation is entirely gone. And I'm left with a large obtrusive floater 
floater and a filmy, and the eye surgeon says cataract surgery may enable me to 
see the floaters even better, Which Is Not a Desirable thing, in my own 
opinion, LOL.
I too want to put surgery off for the rest of my life ideally and that desire 
is even stronger since the vitreous detachment and the subsequent inflammation. 
But I have not succeeded in getting rid of the cataracts after a year of trying 
(though I seemed to be having success for the first couple of months of drops).
sun
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CSCoconuts

[Pat]

Here in SC about half of the coconuts are moldy inside because they all have a 
pre-cut shell.  The only place I've ever found a young coconut is Whole Foods.  
They have to keep them refrigerated and even at that I've seen a few with some 
mold on the outside of the husk that's still on them.

On email, I use Yahoo for this list, which may not be great, but I've not had 
any of the requests you've mentioned.  Recently they stopped most of the spam 
and I've only had 30 total in the last 3 weeks.  It goes into a spam folder and 
I just check before I delete because once in a while there's a good email which 
has gone into it.

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Re: CSDiamond V XPC Yeast

[Pat]

Is Diamond V XPC Yeast the same thing as EpiCor?  I think I must have missed 
the original post somehow.

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Re: blood sugar testing, etc, was Re: CSultrasonic cleaner - OT

[Pat]

Doughnuts and ice cream make me feel yucky and my heart beat faster.  So why is 
my body so dumb as to think these are my favorite foods???

Pat



- Original Message 
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Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 4:18:57 PM
Subject: blood sugar testing, etc, was Re: CSultrasonic cleaner - OT

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
   I'm still a bit unsure of the Vit C thing as well.  If it hadn't been 
 Brookes who posted on the benefits, I probably wouldn't have bothered.  I 
 have to put stress into the equation as well, because I must say I have got 
 stressed about it all i.e the expense etc., plus I'm trying to get hubby to 
 take it which is worrying me more than if it were just me.  Hopefully it will 
 all calm down and reason will return soon lol  dee  PS I suppose I could 
 test my blood sugars and see if they have gone up, but then, all these levels 
 are different from hour to hour so I don't see the point really.
  
The point of blood sugar testing for is (for me) to see what foods raise blood 
glucose unacceptably. The reason I started testing again is that I was having 
some strange symptoms that didn't seem to fit other causes, so I wanted to see 
if my blood sugar was going wonky, and indeed it was--going too high, remaining 
high too long. I expected from symptoms it would be too low, but it was the 
opposite.
  Blood sugar does vary a lot in the course of a day, but it doesn't really 
have to. It is possible to find which foods send it soaring then and stop 
eating those foods.
  I am looking at blood sugar stabilization because it is something I have not 
previously tried in my search to eliminate or further reduce chronic stubborn 
symptoms I  have that cause me loss of quality of life, and loss of physical 
functionality, as in I can't do what I want to do, and I consider myself 
partially disabled because of limited ability to do basic daily things I used 
to do without even thinking about them (decades ago). For the past 15 or so 
years, I have to ration everything I do on the basis of  the amount of pain and 
further limited mobility it might cause due to increased pain, and/or how much 
energy it will use up that might be better used doing something else, even if 
no extra pain is produced.
Anyone familiar with the spoon theory will know what I mean. Every single 
thing I do in a day is a trade off for something else I won't be able to do 
because of what I did choose to do.
The good news is that I have improved to where I no longer need canes (2) or 
walking sticks to get around, and I can do more than just get my morning shower 
(some days in the past I didn't used to be able to even shower).  Back then, 
I'd have thought myself very well indeed to be where I am mostly at today, but 
I am finding that this still isn't the kind of life I want, so I keep trying 
things to see if I can get more improvement.  Unfortunately 
most of the things I've tried seem to only result in setbacks which it is 
dismayingly difficult to crawl up from.  At some point, I need to give up 
trying for further improvement and consider this as good as it gets.   
But so far I have been too stubborn to do that, and as my husband is wont to 
say hope springs infernal. I keep hoping for something better, when I should 
probably just be grateful I'm not in a wheelchair, which seemed to be in my 
near future a few years ago. I am grateful I
 am not sick half or more of every year with colds or flu as I used to be in 
pre-CS decades. There is no condition so bad that a really nasty long cold 
can't make worse, LOL.
sol
 On 14 Mar 2010, at 02:25, sol wrote:
 
  
 ARE you taking high dose vit C? I just read that large doses of C can raise 
 blood sugar, and blood sugar spikes can cause palpitations.
 sol
 
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

 I wish I *had* procrastinated a bit longer now Ode, given the new info on 
 the Vit D thing.  Probably something will come up saying lecithin is not 
 good in large amounts! lol  dee
 PS I must say, I have been having palpitations since I started this Vit C 
 thing--help!
 
 


 
 
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CSVitamin D, Vitamin A, and Cancer

[Pat]

This Vitamin D Council newsletter was interesting, concerning vitamin A and cod 
liver oil.   
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-vitamin-a-and-cancer.shtml  
I'll try to copy and paste, but it might be too long.


The Vitamin D NewsletterFebruary 2010

Vitamin D, Vitamin A, and Cancer
A Remarkable Paper
A few weeks ago, the British Medical Journal published a 
remarkable paper, remarkable that it studied more than 500,000 subjects, 
remarkable that it had 56 (fifty-six) authors, remarkable that it 
confirmed low vitamin D levels obtained in the past are a risk 
factor for developing colon cancer in the future. However, the most 
remarkable part of the paper is that the 46 scientists minimized the 
true significance of their own research. They found that vitamin A, even in 
relatively low amounts, appears 
to thwart vitamin D's association with reduced rates of colon cancer. Jenab M, 
et al. Association 
between pre-diagnostic circulating vitamin D concentration and risk of 
colorectal cancer in European populations:a nested case-control study. BMJ 
2010;340:b5500.
This is a prospective nested case-controlled study, which means it 
uses subject's vitamin D blood samples obtained and frozen in the past 
and then reviews their medical records into the future to see who gets 
colon cancer, comparing the study subjects to similar members of the 
group that did not get the illness. Dr. Mazda Jenab and his 45 
colleagues from the International Agency for Research on Cancer 
confirmed that low vitamin D levels are a risk for colon cancer in a 
dose response manner; those with the highest levels were about twice as 
less likely to develop colon cancer compared to those with the lowest 
levels.
Vitamin A and the U-shaped Curve
However, hidden on page eight is one sentence and a small table, 
which shows that the benefits of vitamin D are almost entirely negated 
in those with the highest vitamin A intake. And the retinol intake did not have 
to be that high in these older adults to begin to negate vitamin D's effects, 
about 3,000 IU/day. Remember, young autistic 
children often take 3,500 IU of retinol a day in their powdered multivitamins, 
which doesn't count any additional vitamin A given in high, single doses.
Pancreatic Cancer
This is the largest study to date showing vitamin A blocks vitamin 
D's effect and explains some of the anomalies in other papers on vitamin D and 
cancer. For example, Dr. Rachael 
Stolzenberg-Solomon of the NIH conducted two similar studies on pancreatic 
cancer, with startling 
different results. Her first paper showed high vitamin D levels tripled 
the subsequent risk of pancreatic cancer, her second paper showed no 
effect. The difference, the first was conducted in a cod liver oil 
country, Finland, the second in the United States. Stolzenberg-Solomon RZ, et 
al. A prospective nested case-control study of vitamin D status and pancreatic 
cancer risk in male smokers. Cancer Res. 2006 Oct 
15;66(20):10213–9. Stolzenberg-Solomon RZ, et al. Serum vitamin D and risk of 
pancreatic cancer in the prostate, 
lung, colorectal, and ovarian screening trial. Cancer Res. 2009 Feb 
15;69(4):1439–47.
Prostate Cancer
Prostate cancer is another 
good example. Ten similar studies have been conducted on vitamin D blood levels 
and the risk of subsequent prostate cancer. Dr. Lu Yin of the 
German Cancer Research Center reviewed them in detail. Eight of the 
studies found no relationship but two studies found a U shaped curve, 
that is, an increased risk of prostate cancer at both lower and higher 
vitamin D levels. You guessed it; both of these studies were from Nordic 
countries where cod liver oil consumption is rampant. Yin L, Raum E, Haug U, 
Arndt V, 
Brenner H. Meta-analysis of longitudinal studies: Serum vitamin D and prostate 
cancer risk. Cancer Epidemiol. 2009 
Dec;33(6):435–45.
So why is there no relationship between vitamin D levels and the 
future risk of prostate cancer? All the subjects had their vitamin D 
levels checked in the late 1980s or 1990s, well into the sun-scare but 
before the vitamin D revolution.
So how did these older people get high levels of vitamin D back then? 
Multivitamins? No, they only contained a meaningless 400 IU. Vitamin D 
supplements? No, they were not widely available back then and only 
contained a meaningless 200 to 400 IU of vitamin D if available. 
Sunshine? Maybe, but I doubt it. Studies have shown that the elderly 
were the first to abide by sun-avoidance advice; anyway, the elderly 
lose the ability to make vitamin D from sunshine; it takes the elderly 
up to ten times more time in the sun than the young to make an 
equivalent amount of vitamin D.
Cod Liver Oil and Retinol
However, the elderly of many countries, not just Nordic countries, 
were raised on cod liver oil and I suspect that a sizable number of 
Americans continue to take cod liver oil as they age. While cod liver 
oil from the 1980s and 90s had higher amounts of 

Re: CSVitamin D

[Pat Lawrie]

What is the cost of the Vit D test in the US? I live in Mexico and was going to 
get the test
till they told me it would cost like $260 dollars, so didn't get it.

Pat





From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
To: silver silver-list@eskimo.com list
Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 9:50:29 PM
Subject: CS Vitamin D

I was disappointed today to find out that my 25-hydroxy vitamin D test 
showed my vitamin D level to be only 25. I was sure it would be so high that I 
almost did not request one. Since last fall I've been taking at 
D3 least 1.000 units plus the D3 in my multivitamin and calcium pills. 
When the day is warm enough, I go out with a jacket and shorts to get 
some sun. It's been a very cold winter for here, though. 

I'd gotten my level up two years ago from 14 in February to a near perfect 55 
in the summer by taking 2.000 units D3 and then lying in the sun 20 minutes two 
or three times a week as soon as weather allowed.

Have any of you had the vitamin D blood test?'ve Heard that in the 
north in the winter, even if you lie naked outside at noon, you can not 
get any vitamin D Because of the angle of the sun. (Plus you'd be a 
popsicle!)

Pat



      


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CSVitamin D

[Pat]

I am 60.  I get over 2,000 units vitamin D a day in pill form.  I'm in the 
western part of South Carolina, USA at Latitude: 34.8525.  

Two years ago, I hadn't heard about vitamin D deficiency, but luckily my doctor 
made me get the 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood test and a vitamin B-12 test.  I was 
astounded when my vitamin D level was 14.  So, the next summer it was 55, then 
last February it was 46.  I'm not taking less than I was last year, but I've 
not been able to sit in the sun as much, I guess.  I'm thinking about calling 
the doctor's office back and asking the nurse to make sure she read it right.  
She was stuttering around about the date, then she just said it's normal level. 
 I said I need to know the number, so she came up with 25.  

I don't know yet how much it cost for the test, but last time I think I paid 
about $47 for itbut it was discounted because of the Blue Cross/Blue Shield 
agreement, I'm sure.  It's not cheap!  

I hesitate to take much more vitamin D, preferring to get it through the 
natural sun when I can.  This article turns everything topsy-turvy and I don't 
know if I should believe it. 
 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125223302.htm

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