subject:"RE\: Cinema 4D an option\?"


  
  
Maybe it wasn't a good idea to install
  various trials at the same time, but I wanted to stress test Modo,
  C4d, ( Blender) at side by side.
  
  and I personally found c4d to be the most
  straight-forward/versatile (like freedom in an open field) while
  remaining easily managable ("asset management"?) and non finnicky.
  Quite a bit more than Modo actually, though it was easier to find
  help in Modo furums, (whilst I didn't as often need to in c4d)
  giving like a feeling that C4d is to Modo what SI is to Maya in
  terms of 'workflow', and I personally found Modo's 'user
  friendlyness' to be mostly (or only) in proportion to Maya (while
  at least not having Maya's price tag)
  
  But C4d (or modo) is still very much like a little brother, not
  just in regards to Espresso, 
  but it (like Modo) always seem to add (some really very
  cool/useful) things without ever addressing some core
  performance/stability "issues" - (only being 'issues' relative to
  SI/Maya), while being -very hard- to see any light at the end of
  each tunnels in those respects.
  
  Blender was actually one who was 'able to take-it', but dealing
  with the outliner.. OMG.. reparentling things (alone) is
  excruciating(even after knowing how to do it),
  and there is to this day, no way to change the same properties of
  multiple objects (no spreadsheet or multi edit of any form)
  
  I think that if Blender addressed not that many things (which
  don't seem to involve too deep things compared to others) it could
  really be far more seriously be considered having it's own share
  of incredible things.
  
  
  But While SI can definately also bog down, and some operations can
  take a long time ...
  (in c4d for instance, reparenting 1 or 1000 objects takes the same
  amount of time,
  and that to my surprise, *technically* each app actually yeilded
  very similar raw FPS **when simply navigating** with the same
  amount of objects/polys) ,  
  
  .. In SI, everything remains very workable 
  (interactivity/managability/stability, or not feeling like you
  have a heavy MR render region running all the time) 
  with heavy loads or when pushing-it (especially so when minding a
  mere handful of things)
  
  But even without considering playback performance with lots of
  things happenning, this is all notwithstanding SI's ability to
  turn on dimes, or as mentionned;  passes, gator, changing things
  at any level with it's procedural nature, it's seemless/modeless
  interaction model, need I go on.. making it (by heads 
  shoulders) faster than anything out there.
  
  Also in respects to many if not most new cool features, (both c4d
   modo had lots of great new things in their last releases)
  already even without ICE, SI sort of had **TONS** of 'features'
  that were merely a combination of a few things, 
  (shrinkwrap retopology for instance)
  
  But you know.. -WITH- ICE,  it can easily be said that SI somehow
  has like an easy access to any feature you could ever think of, or
  need in a particular situation, which can be seen as nothing less
  than like an all-encompassing abstract feature.
  
  Which is similarly one of the things that make it (or have made
  it) so 'timeless' (indeed) :]
  
  
  
  On 08/05/14 9:06, olivier jeannel wrote:


  
  Yeah, well it doesn't have a modeling
stack either.

Looks more like a compilation of presets and "auto-tools" to me.

No improvement of Mograph since ages, and the TP are an horror
compared to ice.


Le 05/08/2014 14:53, Rob Wuijster a écrit :
  
  

Some nice things, but the one more. wasn't
Render Passes ;-P

How do people cope with Modo, Cinema 4D not having Passes
like in Softimage?
With Modo I'm still not sure it's worth all the shuffling of
item and polygon groups, shaders, pass groups and
passes.
  
  Rob

\/-\/\/
  On 5-8-2014 14:31, Cristobal Infante wrote:


  Cinema 16 announced!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mzym-HZ9IE#t=87

  
  

 On 1 August 2014 02:45, Athanasios
  Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org
  wrote:
  
more C4D character
  related links:
  
  
  http://www.the-ottoman.com/blog/
  
  
  
  
   a game level

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Sebastien Sterling

Yes, was watching a blender demo today regarding its hair workflow ,and it
is really good, but the interface ow the interface ow god the interface.


On 5 August 2014 16:45, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote:

  Maybe it wasn't a good idea to install various trials at the same time,
 but I wanted to stress test Modo, C4d, ( Blender) at side by side.

 and I personally found c4d to be the most straight-forward/versatile (like
 freedom in an open field) while remaining easily managable (asset
 management?) and non finnicky. Quite a bit more than Modo actually, though
 it was easier to find help in Modo furums, (whilst I didn't as often need
 to in c4d) giving like a feeling that C4d is to Modo what SI is to Maya in
 terms of 'workflow', and I personally found Modo's 'user friendlyness' to
 be mostly (or only) in proportion to Maya (while at least not having Maya's
 price tag)

 But C4d (or modo) is still very much like a little brother, not just in
 regards to Espresso,
 but it (like Modo) always seem to add (some really very cool/useful)
 things without ever addressing some core performance/stability issues -
 (only being 'issues' relative to SI/Maya), while being -very hard- to see
 any light at the end of each tunnels in those respects.

 Blender was actually one who was 'able to take-it', but dealing with the
 outliner.. OMG.. reparentling things (alone) is excruciating(even after
 knowing how to do it),
 and there is to this day, no way to change the same properties of multiple
 objects (no spreadsheet or multi edit of any form)

 I think that if Blender addressed not that many things (which don't seem
 to involve too deep things compared to others) it could really be far more
 seriously be considered having it's own share of incredible things.


 But While SI can definately also bog down, and some operations can take a
 long time ...
 (in c4d for instance, reparenting 1 or 1000 objects takes the same amount
 of time,
 and that to my surprise, *technically* each app actually yeilded very
 similar raw FPS **when simply navigating** with the same amount of
 objects/polys) ,

 .. In SI, everything remains very workable
 (interactivity/managability/stability, or not feeling like you have a
 heavy MR render region running all the time)
 with heavy loads or when pushing-it (especially so when minding a mere
 handful of things)

 But even without considering playback performance with lots of things
 happenning, this is all notwithstanding SI's ability to turn on dimes, or
 as mentionned;  passes, gator, changing things at any level with it's
 procedural nature, it's seemless/modeless interaction model, need I go on..
 making it (by heads  shoulders) faster than anything out there.

 Also in respects to many if not most new cool features, (both c4d  modo
 had lots of great new things in their last releases)
 already even without ICE, SI sort of had **TONS** of 'features' that were
 merely a combination of a few things,
 (shrinkwrap retopology for instance)

 But you know.. -WITH- ICE,  it can easily be said that SI somehow has like
 an easy access to any feature you could ever think of, or need in a
 particular situation, which can be seen as nothing less than like an
 all-encompassing abstract feature.

 Which is similarly one of the things that make it (or have made it) so
 'timeless' (indeed) :]




 On 08/05/14 9:06, olivier jeannel wrote:

 Yeah, well it doesn't have a modeling stack either.

 Looks more like a compilation of presets and auto-tools to me.

 No improvement of Mograph since ages, and the TP are an horror compared to
 ice.


 Le 05/08/2014 14:53, Rob Wuijster a écrit :

 Some nice things, but the one more. wasn't Render Passes ;-P

 How do people cope with Modo, Cinema 4D not having Passes like in
 Softimage?
 With Modo I'm still not sure it's worth all the shuffling of item and
 polygon groups, shaders, pass groups and passes.

 Rob

 \/-\/\/

 On 5-8-2014 14:31, Cristobal Infante wrote:

 Cinema 16 announced!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mzym-HZ9IE#t=87


  On 1 August 2014 02:45, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org wrote:

 more C4D character related links:

  http://www.the-ottoman.com/blog/


  a game level designer made with the Character Builder :-)
 https://vimeo.com/79626573


  particle creation using the Character Builder
 https://vimeo.com/79628599


  Train tracks using the Character builder
 https://vimeo.com/79637056


  https://vimeo.com/46989130


  character stuff using C4D:
 http://capacity.tv/upgrade-and-moblize/
 http://capacity.tv/cartoon-network/

  so, I guess the answer to Cinema 4D an option? is DEFINITELY Yes, C4D
 has an amazing character animation toolset, for TD's, riggers, animators
 e.t.c. equivalent to the industry standard.
 Having said that, this doesn't mean that they can't get better :-)

  Cheers
 Thanassis

   [image: me] *Athanasios Pozantzis*
 103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Cristobal Infante

grab the hair and run ;)


On 5 August 2014 16:55, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yes, was watching a blender demo today regarding its hair workflow ,and it
 is really good, but the interface ow the interface ow god the interface.


 On 5 August 2014 16:45, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote:

  Maybe it wasn't a good idea to install various trials at the same time,
 but I wanted to stress test Modo, C4d, ( Blender) at side by side.

 and I personally found c4d to be the most straight-forward/versatile
 (like freedom in an open field) while remaining easily managable (asset
 management?) and non finnicky. Quite a bit more than Modo actually, though
 it was easier to find help in Modo furums, (whilst I didn't as often need
 to in c4d) giving like a feeling that C4d is to Modo what SI is to Maya in
 terms of 'workflow', and I personally found Modo's 'user friendlyness' to
 be mostly (or only) in proportion to Maya (while at least not having Maya's
 price tag)

 But C4d (or modo) is still very much like a little brother, not just in
 regards to Espresso,
 but it (like Modo) always seem to add (some really very cool/useful)
 things without ever addressing some core performance/stability issues -
 (only being 'issues' relative to SI/Maya), while being -very hard- to see
 any light at the end of each tunnels in those respects.

 Blender was actually one who was 'able to take-it', but dealing with the
 outliner.. OMG.. reparentling things (alone) is excruciating(even after
 knowing how to do it),
 and there is to this day, no way to change the same properties of
 multiple objects (no spreadsheet or multi edit of any form)

 I think that if Blender addressed not that many things (which don't seem
 to involve too deep things compared to others) it could really be far more
 seriously be considered having it's own share of incredible things.


 But While SI can definately also bog down, and some operations can take a
 long time ...
 (in c4d for instance, reparenting 1 or 1000 objects takes the same amount
 of time,
 and that to my surprise, *technically* each app actually yeilded very
 similar raw FPS **when simply navigating** with the same amount of
 objects/polys) ,

 .. In SI, everything remains very workable
 (interactivity/managability/stability, or not feeling like you have a
 heavy MR render region running all the time)
 with heavy loads or when pushing-it (especially so when minding a mere
 handful of things)

 But even without considering playback performance with lots of things
 happenning, this is all notwithstanding SI's ability to turn on dimes, or
 as mentionned;  passes, gator, changing things at any level with it's
 procedural nature, it's seemless/modeless interaction model, need I go on..
 making it (by heads  shoulders) faster than anything out there.

 Also in respects to many if not most new cool features, (both c4d  modo
 had lots of great new things in their last releases)
 already even without ICE, SI sort of had **TONS** of 'features' that were
 merely a combination of a few things,
 (shrinkwrap retopology for instance)

 But you know.. -WITH- ICE,  it can easily be said that SI somehow has
 like an easy access to any feature you could ever think of, or need in a
 particular situation, which can be seen as nothing less than like an
 all-encompassing abstract feature.

 Which is similarly one of the things that make it (or have made it) so
 'timeless' (indeed) :]




 On 08/05/14 9:06, olivier jeannel wrote:

 Yeah, well it doesn't have a modeling stack either.

 Looks more like a compilation of presets and auto-tools to me.

 No improvement of Mograph since ages, and the TP are an horror compared
 to ice.


 Le 05/08/2014 14:53, Rob Wuijster a écrit :

 Some nice things, but the one more. wasn't Render Passes ;-P

 How do people cope with Modo, Cinema 4D not having Passes like in
 Softimage?
 With Modo I'm still not sure it's worth all the shuffling of item and
 polygon groups, shaders, pass groups and passes.

 Rob

 \/-\/\/

 On 5-8-2014 14:31, Cristobal Infante wrote:

 Cinema 16 announced!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mzym-HZ9IE#t=87


  On 1 August 2014 02:45, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org
 wrote:

 more C4D character related links:

  http://www.the-ottoman.com/blog/


  a game level designer made with the Character Builder :-)
 https://vimeo.com/79626573


  particle creation using the Character Builder
 https://vimeo.com/79628599


  Train tracks using the Character builder
 https://vimeo.com/79637056


  https://vimeo.com/46989130


  character stuff using C4D:
 http://capacity.tv/upgrade-and-moblize/
 http://capacity.tv/cartoon-network/

  so, I guess the answer to Cinema 4D an option? is DEFINITELY Yes,
 C4D has an amazing character animation toolset, for TD's, riggers,
 animators e.t.c. equivalent to the industry standard.
 Having said that, this doesn't mean that they can't get better :-)

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Sebastien Sterling

Cris- i know i will :P

I wish the Blender interface if not streamlined and clean, would at least
be modulated so you can go in and deal with the segment you need.


On 5 August 2014 17:00, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

 grab the hair and run ;)


 On 5 August 2014 16:55, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Yes, was watching a blender demo today regarding its hair workflow ,and
 it is really good, but the interface ow the interface ow god the
 interface.


 On 5 August 2014 16:45, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote:

  Maybe it wasn't a good idea to install various trials at the same
 time, but I wanted to stress test Modo, C4d, ( Blender) at side by side.

 and I personally found c4d to be the most straight-forward/versatile
 (like freedom in an open field) while remaining easily managable (asset
 management?) and non finnicky. Quite a bit more than Modo actually, though
 it was easier to find help in Modo furums, (whilst I didn't as often need
 to in c4d) giving like a feeling that C4d is to Modo what SI is to Maya in
 terms of 'workflow', and I personally found Modo's 'user friendlyness' to
 be mostly (or only) in proportion to Maya (while at least not having Maya's
 price tag)

 But C4d (or modo) is still very much like a little brother, not just in
 regards to Espresso,
 but it (like Modo) always seem to add (some really very cool/useful)
 things without ever addressing some core performance/stability issues -
 (only being 'issues' relative to SI/Maya), while being -very hard- to see
 any light at the end of each tunnels in those respects.

 Blender was actually one who was 'able to take-it', but dealing with the
 outliner.. OMG.. reparentling things (alone) is excruciating(even after
 knowing how to do it),
 and there is to this day, no way to change the same properties of
 multiple objects (no spreadsheet or multi edit of any form)

 I think that if Blender addressed not that many things (which don't seem
 to involve too deep things compared to others) it could really be far more
 seriously be considered having it's own share of incredible things.


 But While SI can definately also bog down, and some operations can take
 a long time ...
 (in c4d for instance, reparenting 1 or 1000 objects takes the same
 amount of time,
 and that to my surprise, *technically* each app actually yeilded very
 similar raw FPS **when simply navigating** with the same amount of
 objects/polys) ,

 .. In SI, everything remains very workable
 (interactivity/managability/stability, or not feeling like you have a
 heavy MR render region running all the time)
 with heavy loads or when pushing-it (especially so when minding a mere
 handful of things)

 But even without considering playback performance with lots of things
 happenning, this is all notwithstanding SI's ability to turn on dimes, or
 as mentionned;  passes, gator, changing things at any level with it's
 procedural nature, it's seemless/modeless interaction model, need I go on..
 making it (by heads  shoulders) faster than anything out there.

 Also in respects to many if not most new cool features, (both c4d  modo
 had lots of great new things in their last releases)
 already even without ICE, SI sort of had **TONS** of 'features' that
 were merely a combination of a few things,
 (shrinkwrap retopology for instance)

 But you know.. -WITH- ICE,  it can easily be said that SI somehow has
 like an easy access to any feature you could ever think of, or need in a
 particular situation, which can be seen as nothing less than like an
 all-encompassing abstract feature.

 Which is similarly one of the things that make it (or have made it) so
 'timeless' (indeed) :]




 On 08/05/14 9:06, olivier jeannel wrote:

 Yeah, well it doesn't have a modeling stack either.

 Looks more like a compilation of presets and auto-tools to me.

 No improvement of Mograph since ages, and the TP are an horror compared
 to ice.


 Le 05/08/2014 14:53, Rob Wuijster a écrit :

 Some nice things, but the one more. wasn't Render Passes ;-P

 How do people cope with Modo, Cinema 4D not having Passes like in
 Softimage?
 With Modo I'm still not sure it's worth all the shuffling of item and
 polygon groups, shaders, pass groups and passes.

 Rob

 \/-\/\/

 On 5-8-2014 14:31, Cristobal Infante wrote:

 Cinema 16 announced!

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mzym-HZ9IE#t=87


  On 1 August 2014 02:45, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org
 wrote:

 more C4D character related links:

  http://www.the-ottoman.com/blog/


  a game level designer made with the Character Builder :-)
 https://vimeo.com/79626573


  particle creation using the Character Builder
 https://vimeo.com/79628599


  Train tracks using the Character builder
 https://vimeo.com/79637056


  https://vimeo.com/46989130


  character stuff using C4D:
 http://capacity.tv/upgrade-and-moblize/
 http://capacity.tv/cartoon-network/

  so, I guess the answer to

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Perry Harovas

Hi Jason,

I went through a similar process, but instead of Blender, it was Houdini. I
tested Modo and C4D and Houdini and
came to very similar conclusions about how easy it is to use.

Where I see clear advantages in C4D and Modo over Houdini and Softimage is
in OpenGL quality.
C4D can display many, many things in OpenGL that I cannot get to display in
any version of Softimage (procedurals, certain lighting effects, plugin
results, etc.).

C4D also (I agree) has a lot of stuff that makes it very easy to use for
90% of most jobs I do.
While I am not happy to have to go down the paid plugin route, which makes
me think of what 3DS Max users deal with) at least the plugins are almost
always low or no cost
and they also work with multiple versions of C4D, not always having to be
recompiled for each new release of C4D. Not quite as flexible as Softimage,
but a far cry from the
stupiditity that is Maya when it comes to needing a new compile for each
and every new version of Maya.

This was one of (IMHO) Softimage's hidden talents. When you base an entire
project around a plugin, and then upgrade the host application, you don't
want to worry that
the plugin maker might have gone out of business, thereby effectively
locking you to the most recent version of the host app that worked with the
plugin. Maya has this problem in SPADES.
As a freelancer, or even small studios, this can mean never wanting to
invest in a plugin because of the fear of having to lock (forever) to a
specific release of the host DCC.

While C4D isn't as flexible, I was very happy to see that it was close
enough to Softimage to make me comfortable that I would be OK.

Where C4D really lacks, in my opinion, is in a lack of Render Passes (sure,
you can cheat them into working, but no developer created way of doing them
yet).

One more point:

The rather large advantage that small developers like Maxon and The Foundry
(OK, small compared to Autodesk) have over Autodesk, is that they can
quickly jump on
the bandwagon of a new technique or industry standard. It usually takes
many, many, many versions of the Autodesk lineup to include something (for
instance, Alembic) and when they do
finally get it, it is usually a bare-bones implementation at first. I don't
advocate that every new standard or technique get adopted, but it is nice
to know that when it does, it will happen faster than
the Autodesk implementation and will generally be more feature complete.

The sweeping generalizations I have made are mostly from my own experience,
your mileage may vary...





On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Sebastien Sterling 
sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, was watching a blender demo today regarding its hair workflow ,and it
 is really good, but the interface ow the interface ow god the interface.


 On 5 August 2014 16:45, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote:

  Maybe it wasn't a good idea to install various trials at the same time,
 but I wanted to stress test Modo, C4d, ( Blender) at side by side.

 and I personally found c4d to be the most straight-forward/versatile
 (like freedom in an open field) while remaining easily managable (asset
 management?) and non finnicky. Quite a bit more than Modo actually, though
 it was easier to find help in Modo furums, (whilst I didn't as often need
 to in c4d) giving like a feeling that C4d is to Modo what SI is to Maya in
 terms of 'workflow', and I personally found Modo's 'user friendlyness' to
 be mostly (or only) in proportion to Maya (while at least not having Maya's
 price tag)

 But C4d (or modo) is still very much like a little brother, not just in
 regards to Espresso,
 but it (like Modo) always seem to add (some really very cool/useful)
 things without ever addressing some core performance/stability issues -
 (only being 'issues' relative to SI/Maya), while being -very hard- to see
 any light at the end of each tunnels in those respects.

 Blender was actually one who was 'able to take-it', but dealing with the
 outliner.. OMG.. reparentling things (alone) is excruciating(even after
 knowing how to do it),
 and there is to this day, no way to change the same properties of
 multiple objects (no spreadsheet or multi edit of any form)

 I think that if Blender addressed not that many things (which don't seem
 to involve too deep things compared to others) it could really be far more
 seriously be considered having it's own share of incredible things.


 But While SI can definately also bog down, and some operations can take a
 long time ...
 (in c4d for instance, reparenting 1 or 1000 objects takes the same amount
 of time,
 and that to my surprise, *technically* each app actually yeilded very
 similar raw FPS **when simply navigating** with the same amount of
 objects/polys) ,

 .. In SI, everything remains very workable
 (interactivity/managability/stability, or not feeling like you have a
 heavy MR render region running all the time)
 with heavy loads or when pushing-it (especially so when

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread w...@fiftyeight.com

have a look, nice rigging work

https://vimeo.com/52969274 https://vimeo.com/52969274



https://vimeo.com/8335506#comment_11948612 https://vimeo.com/8335506 and some
frakture-particlestuff: https://vimeo.com/98435073 https://vimeo.com/98435073

lot of Info

http://www.cineversity.com/home2 http://www.cineversity.com/home2 ,
http://vimeo.com/channels/c4dtutorials/
http://vimeo.com/channels/c4dtutorials/

i give it a try,  right now for one week! and i think it can be an option!

missing in the moment the stack and weightpaintingoptions but on the other side
there are a lot of tools already inside C4D like the squash and stretch-deformer

http://8bitfactory.co.uk/?p=167 http://8bitfactory.co.uk/?p=167 or the deforme
by curve options https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhbaajVpyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbhbaajVpyU

and the dynamic chains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P9wOewbUdg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P9wOewbUdg and...

Greetz Walter

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Alok Gandhi

Altogether seems nice. Lots of preset and premade assets. Not sure of the 
rigging side, although they do show a few animated characters.

Sent from my iPhone

 On 05-Aug-2014, at 6:26 pm, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 And no shader tree, how can one live with out that!
 
 
 On 5 August 2014 13:53, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:
 Some nice things, but the one more. wasn't Render Passes ;-P
 
 How do people cope with Modo, Cinema 4D not having Passes like in Softimage?
 With Modo I'm still not sure it's worth all the shuffling of item and 
 polygon groups, shaders, pass groups and passes.
  Rob
 
 \/-\/\/
 On 5-8-2014 14:31, Cristobal Infante wrote:
 Cinema 16 announced!
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mzym-HZ9IE#t=87
 
 
 On 1 August 2014 02:45, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org wrote:
 more C4D character related links:
 
 http://www.the-ottoman.com/blog/
 
 
 a game level designer made with the Character Builder :-)
 https://vimeo.com/79626573
 
 
 particle creation using the Character Builder
 https://vimeo.com/79628599
 
 
 Train tracks using the Character builder
 https://vimeo.com/79637056
 
 
 https://vimeo.com/46989130
 
 
 character stuff using C4D:
 http://capacity.tv/upgrade-and-moblize/
 http://capacity.tv/cartoon-network/
 
 so, I guess the answer to Cinema 4D an option? is DEFINITELY Yes, C4D 
 has an amazing character animation toolset, for TD's, riggers, animators 
 e.t.c. equivalent to the industry standard.
 Having said that, this doesn't mean that they can't get better :-)
 
 Cheers
 Thanassis
 
 Athanasios Pozantzis
 103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1 
 +1 (647) 294-7707
 
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Re: Cinema 4D an option?


  
  

  
  
  I went through a similar process, but
  instead of Blender, it was Houdini. I tested Modo and C4D and
  Houdini and
  came to very similar conclusions about
  how easy it is to use.
  
  Yeah, I also found 'straight-forwardness' to be one of the most
  important things..  
  (mostly for what "not (over-)complicated" means
  well *after* the learning part) 
  
  C4D also (I agree) has a lot of stuff that
makes it very easy to use for 90% of most jobs I do.
  
  Yes, and just to say, I admit that we aren't always making like
  these huge scenes, but countless times do I recall very-much
  relying on SI's ability of being pushed, or saw people doing
  things that could hardly be even imagined being done in anything
  else..
  
  But anyway,
  
  Thanks for your great insight!
  
  
  On 08/05/14 12:19, Perry Harovas wrote:


  Hi Jason,


I went through a similar process, but instead of Blender,
  it was Houdini. I tested Modo and C4D and Houdini and
came to very similar conclusions about how easy it is to
  use.


Where I see clear advantages in C4D and Modo over Houdini
  and Softimage is in OpenGL quality.
C4D can display many, many things in OpenGL that I cannot
  get to display in any version of Softimage (procedurals,
  certain lighting effects, plugin results, etc.).


C4D also (I agree) has a lot of stuff that makes it very
  easy to use for 90% of most jobs I do.
While I am not happy to have to go down the paid plugin
  route, which makes me think of what 3DS Max users deal with)
  at least the plugins are almost always low or no cost
and they also work with multiple versions of C4D, not
  always having to be recompiled for each new release of C4D.
  Not quite as flexible as Softimage, but a far cry from the
stupiditity that is Maya when it comes to needing a new
  compile for each and every new version of Maya.


This was one of (IMHO) Softimage's hidden talents. When you
  base an entire project around a plugin, and then upgrade the
  host application, you don't want to worry that
the plugin maker might have gone out of business, thereby
  effectively locking you to the most recent version of the host
  app that worked with the plugin. Maya has this problem in
  SPADES.
As a freelancer, or even small studios, this can mean never
  wanting to invest in a plugin because of the fear of having to
  lock (forever) to a specific release of the host DCC.


While C4D isn't as flexible, I was very happy to see that
  it was close enough to Softimage to make me comfortable that I
  would be OK.


Where C4D really lacks, in my opinion, is in a lack of
  Render Passes (sure, you can cheat them into working, but no
  developer created way of doing them yet).


One more point:


The rather large advantage that small developers like Maxon
  and The Foundry (OK, small compared to Autodesk) have over
  Autodesk, is that they can quickly jump on
the bandwagon of a new technique or industry standard. It
  usually takes many, many, many versions of the Autodesk lineup
  to include something (for instance, Alembic) and when they do
finally get it, it is usually a bare-bones implementation
  at first. I don't advocate that every new standard or
  technique get adopted, but it is nice to know that when it
  does, it will happen faster than

  the Autodesk implementation and will generally be more feature
  complete.


The sweeping generalizations I have made are mostly from my
  own experience, your mileage may vary...

Re: Cinema 4D an option?


  
  
On 08/05/14 12:08, Sebastien Sterling
  wrote:


  Cris- i know i will :P

  I wish the Blender interface if not streamlined and clean,
  would at least be modulated so you can go in and deal with the
  segment you need.

  
  


On 5 August 2014 17:00, Cristobal
  Infante cgc...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
grab the hair and run ;)

  


  

  

  


Ya I agree the interface (and many little things) could be more far
more streamlined, 
and also render management is -very- basic to say the least.

But to give it proper (comparatively far less
(over-)publicized/amplified) credit (that I know of), 

- Cycles is very fast, while very Arnold-like in most key aspects 
  (which now (finally) includes both transform  deformation
motion-blur, which was sort of the last (important) thing ), 
- all sorts of simulations (including volume effects) are quite
easy, fast and can easily reach very high quality.
- The shader tree (and other node view) is very clear/informative
and quick to tweak, seeing and editing values in the tree, 
    (unlike modo, a fair number of shader trees (among other things)
won't affect responsiveness.)
- Procedurally treating textures as well as a very decent  very
integrated 2D comp,
- Without at-all being light in functionality, the app itself is
extremely light, restarting (or crashing)  reloading feels as
swift as wordpad :)
- Very capable (if not more capable for some things) modeling,
UVing, Sculpting.. with some very fluid worflows.


In-out interop seems to be an issue, but eventual Alembic support is
very likely a matter of time.

But to me, it's single object centric aspect is it's single biggest
drawback, and hope they would eventually address that (quite
particularly).

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Cesar Saez

Clement Vaucelle is a very talented rigger/technical-artist, his work at
Wipix was an authentic point of reference for me back in the day :)


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, w...@fiftyeight.com w...@fiftyeight.com
wrote:

  have a look, nice rigging work

 https://vimeo.com/52969274

Re: Cinema 4D an option?


  
  

   .. ICE and general limitlessness
making it   'timeless' (indeed)  
and/or so darn irreplacable...

  
   
  
  On 08/05/14 11:45, Jason S wrote:


  
  Maybe it wasn't a good idea to
install various trials at the same time, but I wanted to stress
test Modo, C4d, ( Blender) at side by side.

and I personally found c4d to be the most
straight-forward/versatile (like freedom in an open field) while
remaining easily managable ("asset management"?) and non
finnicky. Quite a bit more than Modo actually, though it was
easier to find help in Modo furums, (whilst I didn't as often
need to in c4d) giving like a feeling that C4d is to Modo what
SI is to Maya in terms of 'workflow', and I personally found
Modo's 'user friendlyness' to be mostly (or only) in proportion
to Maya (while at least not having Maya's price tag)

But C4d (or modo) is still very much like a little brother, not
just in regards to Espresso, 
but it (like Modo) always seem to add (some really very
cool/useful) things without ever addressing some core
performance/stability "issues" - (only being 'issues' relative
to SI/Maya), while being -very hard- to see any light at the end
of each tunnels in those respects.

Blender was actually one who was 'able to take-it', but dealing
with the outliner.. OMG.. reparentling things (alone) is
excruciating(even after knowing how to do it),
and there is to this day, no way to change the same properties
of multiple objects (no spreadsheet or multi edit of any form)

I think that if Blender addressed not that many things (which
don't seem to involve too deep things compared to others) it
could really be far more seriously be considered having it's own
share of incredible things.


But While SI can definately also bog down, and some operations
can take a long time ...
(in c4d for instance, reparenting 1 or 1000 objects takes the
same amount of time,
and that to my surprise, *technically* each app actually yeilded
very similar raw FPS **when simply navigating** with the same
amount of objects/polys) ,  

.. In SI, everything remains very workable 
(interactivity/managability/stability, or not feeling like you
have a heavy MR render region running all the time) 
with heavy loads or when pushing-it (especially so when minding
a mere handful of things)

But even without considering playback performance with lots of
things happenning, this is all notwithstanding SI's ability to
turn on dimes, or as mentionned;  passes, gator, changing things
at any level with it's procedural nature, it's seemless/modeless
interaction model, need I go on.. making it (by heads 
shoulders) faster than anything out there.

Also in respects to many if not most new cool features, (both
c4d  modo had lots of great new things in their last
releases)
already even without ICE, SI sort of had **TONS** of 'features'
that were merely a combination of a few things, 
(shrinkwrap retopology for instance)

But you know.. -WITH- ICE,  it can easily be said that SI
somehow has like an easy access to any feature you could ever
think of, or need in a particular situation, which can be seen
as nothing less than like an all-encompassing abstract feature.

Which is similarly one of the things that make it (or have made
it) so 'timeless' (indeed) :]



On 08/05/14 9:06, olivier jeannel wrote:
  
  

Yeah, well it doesn't have a
  modeling stack either.
  
  Looks more like a compilation of presets and "auto-tools" to
  me.
  
  No improvement of Mograph since ages, and the TP are an horror
  compared to ice.
  
  
  Le 05/08/2014 14:53, Rob Wuijster a écrit :


  
  Some nice things, but the one more. wasn't
  Render Passes ;-P
  
  How do people cope with Modo, Cinema 4D not having Passes
  like in Softimage?
  With Modo I'm still not sure it's worth all the shuffling
  of item and polygon groups, shaders, pass groups and
  passes.

Rob

\/-\/\/

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Raffaele Fragapane

Nothing has render passes like Soft, end of story. Houdini can get there
and past there in terms of power and complexity, but you have to put the
hard miles in first.
Soft was just the perfect balance in those regards, I have yet to see
something as immediate and still that flexible anywhere else.


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  Some nice things, but the one more. wasn't Render Passes ;-P

 How do people cope with Modo, Cinema 4D not having Passes like in
 Softimage?
 With Modo I'm still not sure it's worth all the shuffling of item and
 polygon groups, shaders, pass groups and passes.

 Rob

RE: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Sam Bowling

Unfortunately all that power is wasted behind one of the most terrible user 
interfaces since …. Lightwave. Cinema 4D seems to make much more sense to me. 
It is sooo much less cluttered and is not full of garbage that I shouldn’t have 
to deal with in the first place for doing simple things. The whole texture 
system is just a mess. I would use Maya before I ever even considered using 
Modo. 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:53 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

 

Would have to disagree on the Modo front. Its animation tools and rigging are 
first class. 

 

The things you can do with weight maps and containers alone is amazing.

 

Although you do need to understand the whole order of operations thing.

 

 

 

From: Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com
Reply-To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Date: Tuesday 05 August 2014 at 2:47 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

 

anyone can point to some videos about character rigging and animation? 

seems like both cinema and modo are way behind on that department?

 

but this does look like bunch of improvements for sure

 

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Cinema 16 announced! 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mzym-HZ9IE#t=87

 

On 1 August 2014 02:45, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org wrote:

more C4D character related links: 

 

http://www.the-ottoman.com/blog/

 

 

a game level designer made with the Character Builder :-)

https://vimeo.com/79626573

 

 

particle creation using the Character Builder

https://vimeo.com/79628599

 

 

Train tracks using the Character builder

https://vimeo.com/79637056

 

 

https://vimeo.com/46989130

 

 

character stuff using C4D:

http://capacity.tv/upgrade-and-moblize/

http://capacity.tv/cartoon-network/

 

so, I guess the answer to Cinema 4D an option? is DEFINITELY Yes, C4D has an 
amazing character animation toolset, for TD's, riggers, animators e.t.c. 
equivalent to the industry standard.

Having said that, this doesn't mean that they can't get better :-)

 

Cheers

Thanassis

 

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 http://noseman.org 103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1
+1 (647) 294-7707 tel:%2B1%20%28647%29%20294-7707 

 

 

 



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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-08-05 Thread Angus Davidson

Each to their own I suppose. I really enjoy having everything I need available 
to me. Took a week or so to set up my layouts to match my workflow and its all 
good. I can see how it can be daunting for those just starting though.

Have you tried the new nodal shading in 801 ?



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Subject: RE: Cinema 4D an option?

Unfortunately all that power is wasted behind one of the most terrible user 
interfaces since …. Lightwave. Cinema 4D seems to make much more sense to me. 
It is sooo much less cluttered and is not full of garbage that I shouldn’t have 
to deal with in the first place for doing simple things. The whole texture 
system is just a mess. I would use Maya before I ever even considered using 
Modo.

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 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson
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Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Would have to disagree on the Modo front. Its animation tools and rigging are 
first class.

The things you can do with weight maps and containers alone is amazing.

Although you do need to understand the whole order of operations thing.



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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Hi there.
C4D is a certainly very good option.
Some character animators say, that in certain areas, it’s better than Maya, or 
Softimage, and of course, in other areas, it’s not… :-)
It depends on your workflow.

C4D received a character animation toolset overhaul several years ago, and 
still receives love by the development team, and will continue to do so.

I will suggest you go to: http://www.cineversity.com/search/tutorials/
and search for “character”. Then filter for Free tutorials (Access type).

You will see some of the tools available.
I may have a bit more information about this subject in a few days.

Don't forget that I’m a huge fanboy of C4D and Maxon beta tester, so I’m 
extremely biased, but I never lie.

please feel free to ask any specific questions…

Cheers
Thanassis

  
 Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I 
 bought version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools 
 were pretty much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they 
 updated them a while back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even 
 examples that look anything but amateur at best.
  


Athanasios Pozantzis
103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1 
+1 (647) 294-7707

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

a couple more links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLaOSoNq0no

octopus rig..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXoBV8g_aSc

Cheers

On 31 Jul 2014, at 07:16, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org wrote:

 Hi there.
 C4D is a certainly very good option.
 Some character animators say, that in certain areas, it’s better than Maya, 
 or Softimage, and of course, in other areas, it’s not… :-)
 It depends on your workflow.
 
 C4D received a character animation toolset overhaul several years ago, and 
 still receives love by the development team, and will continue to do so.
 
 I will suggest you go to: http://www.cineversity.com/search/tutorials/
 and search for “character”. Then filter for Free tutorials (Access type).
 
 You will see some of the tools available.
 I may have a bit more information about this subject in a few days.
 
 Don't forget that I’m a huge fanboy of C4D and Maxon beta tester, so I’m 
 extremely biased, but I never lie.
 
 please feel free to ask any specific questions…
 
 Cheers
 Thanassis
 
  
 Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I 
 bought version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools 
 were pretty much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they 
 updated them a while back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even 
 examples that look anything but amateur at best.
  
 
 
 Athanasios Pozantzis
 103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1 
 +1 (647) 294-7707

RE: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-31 Thread Maurício Cuencas

I'm no animator, but I found this videos with good information of the Rigging 
and Animation tools. Brian Horgan is a professional rigger for C4D and is/were 
a student at Animation Mentor if I'm not mistaken.
Generally speaking, I've read at C4DCafe that he complains more about viewport 
performance of the rigs on C4D viewport, in comparison with Maya.
Anyway ... here is the videos.
http://youtu.be/hD5wZ8bV-Aw?list=UUWhRfxKSqHU8hjx7mbmKVxA
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57D98597A0B7DD0

Cheers.

From: nose...@noseman.org
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:43:17 -0400
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

a couple more links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLaOSoNq0no
octopus rig..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXoBV8g_aSc
Cheers
On 31 Jul 2014, at 07:16, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org wrote:Hi 
there.C4D is a certainly very good option.Some character animators say, that in 
certain areas, it’s better than Maya, or Softimage, and of course, in other 
areas, it’s not… :-)It depends on your workflow.
C4D received a character animation toolset overhaul several years ago, and 
still receives love by the development team, and will continue to do so.
I will suggest you go to: http://www.cineversity.com/search/tutorials/and 
search for “character”. Then filter for Free tutorials (Access type).
You will see some of the tools available.I may have a bit more information 
about this subject in a few days.
Don't forget that I’m a huge fanboy of C4D and Maxon beta tester, so I’m 
extremely biased, but I never lie.
please feel free to ask any specific questions…
CheersThanassis
 Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I 
bought version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools were 
pretty much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they updated them 
a while back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even examples that look 
anything but amateur at best. 

Athanasios Pozantzis
103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1 
+1 (647) 294-7707

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-31 Thread Sebastien Sterling

Can C4D do this ?

http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685

personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P


On 31 July 2014 13:27, Maurício Cuencas maurici...@live.com wrote:

 I'm no animator, but I found this videos with good information of the
 Rigging and Animation tools. Brian Horgan is a professional rigger for C4D
 and is/were a student at Animation Mentor if I'm not mistaken.

 Generally speaking, I've read at C4DCafe that he complains more about
 viewport performance of the rigs on C4D viewport, in comparison with Maya.

 Anyway ... here is the videos.

 http://youtu.be/hD5wZ8bV-Aw?list=UUWhRfxKSqHU8hjx7mbmKVxA

 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57D98597A0B7DD0


 Cheers.

 --
 From: nose...@noseman.org

 Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?
 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:43:17 -0400
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com


 a couple more links:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLaOSoNq0no

 octopus rig..

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXoBV8g_aSc

 Cheers

 On 31 Jul 2014, at 07:16, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org
 wrote:

 Hi there.
 C4D is a certainly very good option.
 Some character animators say, that in certain areas, it’s better than
 Maya, or Softimage, and of course, in other areas, it’s not… :-)
 It depends on your workflow.

 C4D received a character animation toolset overhaul several years ago, and
 still receives love by the development team, and will continue to do so.

 I will suggest you go to: http://www.cineversity.com/search/tutorials/
 and search for “character”. Then filter for Free tutorials (Access type).

 You will see some of the tools available.
 I may have a bit more information about this subject in a few days.

 Don't forget that I’m a huge fanboy of C4D and Maxon beta tester, so I’m
 extremely biased, but I never lie.

 please feel free to ask any specific questions…

 Cheers
 Thanassis


 Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I
 bought version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools
 were pretty much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they
 updated them a while back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even
 examples that look anything but amateur at best.




 [image: me]*Athanasios Pozantzis*
 103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1 http://noseman.org/
 +1 (647) 294-7707

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-31 Thread Cristobal Infante

Can xsi do this?


On 31 July 2014 18:15, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Can C4D do this ?

 http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685

 personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P


 On 31 July 2014 13:27, Maurício Cuencas maurici...@live.com wrote:

 I'm no animator, but I found this videos with good information of the
 Rigging and Animation tools. Brian Horgan is a professional rigger for C4D
 and is/were a student at Animation Mentor if I'm not mistaken.

 Generally speaking, I've read at C4DCafe that he complains more about
 viewport performance of the rigs on C4D viewport, in comparison with Maya.

 Anyway ... here is the videos.

 http://youtu.be/hD5wZ8bV-Aw?list=UUWhRfxKSqHU8hjx7mbmKVxA

 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57D98597A0B7DD0


 Cheers.

 --
 From: nose...@noseman.org

 Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?
 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:43:17 -0400
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com


 a couple more links:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLaOSoNq0no

 octopus rig..

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXoBV8g_aSc

 Cheers

 On 31 Jul 2014, at 07:16, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org
 wrote:

 Hi there.
 C4D is a certainly very good option.
 Some character animators say, that in certain areas, it’s better than
 Maya, or Softimage, and of course, in other areas, it’s not… :-)
 It depends on your workflow.

 C4D received a character animation toolset overhaul several years ago,
 and still receives love by the development team, and will continue to do so.

 I will suggest you go to: http://www.cineversity.com/search/tutorials/
 and search for “character”. Then filter for Free tutorials (Access type).

 You will see some of the tools available.
 I may have a bit more information about this subject in a few days.

 Don't forget that I’m a huge fanboy of C4D and Maxon beta tester, so I’m
 extremely biased, but I never lie.

 please feel free to ask any specific questions…

 Cheers
 Thanassis


 Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I
 bought version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools
 were pretty much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they
 updated them a while back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even
 examples that look anything but amateur at best.




 [image: me]*Athanasios Pozantzis*
 103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1 http://noseman.org/
 +1 (647) 294-7707

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-31 Thread Sebastien Sterling

Aren't we comparing C4D, Modo and houdini's animation workflows ?




On 31 July 2014 18:31, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can xsi do this?


 On 31 July 2014 18:15, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Can C4D do this ?

 http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685

 personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P


 On 31 July 2014 13:27, Maurício Cuencas maurici...@live.com wrote:

 I'm no animator, but I found this videos with good information of the
 Rigging and Animation tools. Brian Horgan is a professional rigger for C4D
 and is/were a student at Animation Mentor if I'm not mistaken.

 Generally speaking, I've read at C4DCafe that he complains more about
 viewport performance of the rigs on C4D viewport, in comparison with Maya.

 Anyway ... here is the videos.

 http://youtu.be/hD5wZ8bV-Aw?list=UUWhRfxKSqHU8hjx7mbmKVxA

 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57D98597A0B7DD0


 Cheers.

 --
 From: nose...@noseman.org

 Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?
 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:43:17 -0400
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com


 a couple more links:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLaOSoNq0no

 octopus rig..

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXoBV8g_aSc

 Cheers

 On 31 Jul 2014, at 07:16, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org
 wrote:

 Hi there.
 C4D is a certainly very good option.
 Some character animators say, that in certain areas, it’s better than
 Maya, or Softimage, and of course, in other areas, it’s not… :-)
 It depends on your workflow.

 C4D received a character animation toolset overhaul several years ago,
 and still receives love by the development team, and will continue to do so.

 I will suggest you go to: http://www.cineversity.com/search/tutorials/
 and search for “character”. Then filter for Free tutorials (Access type).

 You will see some of the tools available.
 I may have a bit more information about this subject in a few days.

 Don't forget that I’m a huge fanboy of C4D and Maxon beta tester, so I’m
 extremely biased, but I never lie.

 please feel free to ask any specific questions…

 Cheers
 Thanassis


 Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I
 bought version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools
 were pretty much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they
 updated them a while back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even
 examples that look anything but amateur at best.




 [image: me]*Athanasios Pozantzis*
 103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1 http://noseman.org/
 +1 (647) 294-7707

RE: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Lind

Yes, it’s called a pose constraint with compensation applied.  You can also do 
it in the animation mixer.



Matt



From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal Infante
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:32 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Can xsi do this?

On 31 July 2014 18:15, Sebastien Sterling 
sebastien.sterl...@gmail.commailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote:
Can C4D do this ?

http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685
personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P

On 31 July 2014 13:27, Maurício Cuencas 
maurici...@live.commailto:maurici...@live.com wrote:
I'm no animator, but I found this videos with good information of the Rigging 
and Animation tools. Brian Horgan is a professional rigger for C4D and is/were 
a student at Animation Mentor if I'm not mistaken.

Generally speaking, I've read at C4DCafe that he complains more about viewport 
performance of the rigs on C4D viewport, in comparison with Maya.

Anyway ... here is the videos.

http://youtu.be/hD5wZ8bV-Aw?list=UUWhRfxKSqHU8hjx7mbmKVxA

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57D98597A0B7DD0


Cheers.

From: nose...@noseman.orgmailto:nose...@noseman.org

Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:43:17 -0400
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com


a couple more links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLaOSoNq0no

octopus rig..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXoBV8g_aSc

Cheers

On 31 Jul 2014, at 07:16, Athanasios Pozantzis 
nose...@noseman.orgmailto:nose...@noseman.org wrote:

Hi there.
C4D is a certainly very good option.
Some character animators say, that in certain areas, it’s better than Maya, or 
Softimage, and of course, in other areas, it’s not… :-)
It depends on your workflow.

C4D received a character animation toolset overhaul several years ago, and 
still receives love by the development team, and will continue to do so.

I will suggest you go to: http://www.cineversity.com/search/tutorials/
and search for “character”. Then filter for Free tutorials (Access type).

You will see some of the tools available.
I may have a bit more information about this subject in a few days.

Don't forget that I’m a huge fanboy of C4D and Maxon beta tester, so I’m 
extremely biased, but I never lie.

please feel free to ask any specific questions…

Cheers
Thanassis


Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I bought 
version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools were pretty 
much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they updated them a while 
back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even examples that look anything 
but amateur at best.



[http://noseman.org/images/NOSEMANsignature.png]Athanasios Pozantzis
103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1http://noseman.org/
+1 (647) 294-7707tel:%2B1%20%28647%29%20294-7707

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Yes!


 Can C4D do this ?
 
 http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685
 
 personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-31 Thread Sebastien Sterling

Yes this is true :) not as seamless though as just drag and droping the
parenting. that said maybe this modo method is plagued with its own issues,
still a cool looking implementation.


On 31 July 2014 18:43, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote:

 Yes, it’s called a pose constraint with compensation applied.  You can
 also do it in the animation mixer.







 Matt







 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Cristobal Infante
 *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:32 AM
 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

 *Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?



 Can xsi do this?



 On 31 July 2014 18:15, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Can C4D do this ?

 http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685

 personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P



 On 31 July 2014 13:27, Maurício Cuencas maurici...@live.com wrote:

 I'm no animator, but I found this videos with good information of the
 Rigging and Animation tools. Brian Horgan is a professional rigger for C4D
 and is/were a student at Animation Mentor if I'm not mistaken.


 Generally speaking, I've read at C4DCafe that he complains more about
 viewport performance of the rigs on C4D viewport, in comparison with Maya.



 Anyway ... here is the videos.



 http://youtu.be/hD5wZ8bV-Aw?list=UUWhRfxKSqHU8hjx7mbmKVxA



 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC57D98597A0B7DD0





 Cheers.
 --

 From: nose...@noseman.org


 Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:43:17 -0400
 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com



 a couple more links:



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLaOSoNq0no



 octopus rig..



 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXoBV8g_aSc



 Cheers



 On 31 Jul 2014, at 07:16, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org
 wrote:



 Hi there.

 C4D is a certainly very good option.

 Some character animators say, that in certain areas, it’s better than
 Maya, or Softimage, and of course, in other areas, it’s not… :-)

 It depends on your workflow.



 C4D received a character animation toolset overhaul several years ago, and
 still receives love by the development team, and will continue to do so.



 I will suggest you go to: http://www.cineversity.com/search/tutorials/

 and search for “character”. Then filter for Free tutorials (Access type).



 You will see some of the tools available.

 I may have a bit more information about this subject in a few days.



 Don't forget that I’m a huge fanboy of C4D and Maxon beta tester, so I’m
 extremely biased, but I never lie.



 please feel free to ask any specific questions…



 Cheers

 Thanassis





 Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I
 bought version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools
 were pretty much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they
 updated them a while back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even
 examples that look anything but amateur at best.







 [image: me]*Athanasios Pozantzis*
 103b-245 Carlaw Avenue, Toronto, ON M4M 2S1 http://noseman.org/
 +1 (647) 294-7707

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-31 Thread Cristobal Infante

You would need 2 pose constraints though, one for each hand.


On 31 July 2014 18:45, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org wrote:

 Yes!


 Can C4D do this ?

 http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685

 personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-31 Thread Mirko Jankovic

still there was nice addon for niece simple parenting, works pretty much on
pickup drop buttons :)
and we all know this guy ofc :)

http://www.ethivierge.com/pickup/


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

 You would need 2 pose constraints though, one for each hand.


 On 31 July 2014 18:45, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org wrote:

 Yes!


 Can C4D do this ?

 http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685

 personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

I don't think so.
You add the Constraint to the object (ball) and keyframe the parent in the 
Target field.

I agree that the modo implementation looks very intuitive.


 You would need 2 pose constraints though, one for each hand.
 
 
 On 31 July 2014 18:45, Athanasios Pozantzis nose...@noseman.org wrote:
 Yes!
 
 
 Can C4D do this ?
 
 http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/tv/training/view.aspx?id=685
 
 personally i think dynamic parenting is the shit. :P

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-30 Thread Cristobal Infante

Arnold announced for C4D:

http://www.maxon.net/en/news/press-releases/singleview/article/solid-angle-and-maxon-to-reveal-arnold-for-cinema-4d-at-siggraph.html

On 16 March 2014 20:06, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com
wrote:

Quite sure a lot of things are faster with 7 titans...

On 16 March 2014 19:45, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Another interesting demo with C4D, octane and 7 titans ;). How fast is
that!

https://vimeo.com/82836433

On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Tim Clapham from hellolux has been kind enough to share a code for 50%
discount on some of this training in case anyone is interested:

use code: softimagetv-c4d

learn. Mastering Materials in Cinema4D
http://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-mastering-materials-cinema4d-from-tim-clapham/
learn. Idents for Cinema4D: TV
http://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-idents-tv/
learn. Cinema4D Dynamics
http://www.helloluxx.com/product/cinema4d-dynamics/

On 13 March 2014 16:12, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote:

No idea on the temps - I was talking to them about Fabric stuff a few
years back and they were great to work with. I'm sure if you approach them
they'll have a formal eval program...

On 13 March 2014 12:09, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

Regarding the free CC… You are right. But the free version in
combination with their 42 day demo will be a good way to test the C4D
waters to see if it will indeed be worth buying the full version to add to
our pipeline.

The plan would be to use the free version to get an understanding of how
it works in our environment, then install the demo to see what we are
missing. (Even though the demo does still have some limitations.)

Good to hear that the C4D guys are passionate/willing to listen.

I wonder if they give out temp licenses? ;) That way our evaluation
won’t be restricted by the limitations of the demo or the free CC version.

*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Doyle
*Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:27 AM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

*Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few
years and I have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of
guys that are investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't
have what you need today, it might be worth contacting them and asking
about long-term plans and roadmap.

On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:

the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to
be using.

On 13 March 2014 15:1

RE: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-30 Thread Sam Bowling

Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I bought 
version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools were pretty 
much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they updated them a while 
back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even examples that look anything 
but amateur at best. 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal Infante
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

 

Arnold announced for C4D:

 

http://www.maxon.net/en/news/press-releases/singleview/article/solid-angle-and-maxon-to-reveal-arnold-for-cinema-4d-at-siggraph.html

 

On 16 March 2014 20:06, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote:

Quite sure a lot of things are faster with 7 titans...

 

On 16 March 2014 19:45, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Another interesting demo with C4D, octane and 7 titans ;). How fast is that!

 

https://vimeo.com/82836433



On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

 

Tim Clapham from hellolux has been kind enough to share a code for 50% discount 
on some of this training in case anyone is interested:

 

use code: softimagetv-c4d

 

learn. Mastering Materials in Cinema4D 
http://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-mastering-materials-cinema4d-from-tim-clapham/
 

learn. Idents for Cinema4D: TV 
http://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-idents-tv/ 

learn. Cinema4D Dynamics http://www.helloluxx.com/product/cinema4d-dynamics/ 

 

 

On 13 March 2014 16:12, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote:

No idea on the temps - I was talking to them about Fabric stuff a few years 
back and they were great to work with. I'm sure if you approach them they'll 
have a formal eval program...

 

On 13 March 2014 12:09, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

Regarding the free CC… You are right. But the free version in combination with 
their 42 day demo will be a good way to test the C4D waters to see if it will 
indeed be worth buying the full version to add to our pipeline. 

 

The plan would be to use the free version to get an understanding of how it 
works in our environment, then install the demo to see what we are missing. 
(Even though the demo does still have some limitations.)

 

Good to hear that the C4D guys are passionate/willing to listen.

I wonder if they give out temp licenses? ;) That way our evaluation won’t be 
restricted by the limitations of the demo or the free CC version. 

 

 

Ed

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Doyle
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:27 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com


Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

 

Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few years and I 
have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of guys that are 
investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't have what you need 
today, it might be worth contacting them and asking about long-term plans and 
roadmap.

 

On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:

the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to be using.

 

On 13 March 2014 15:1

RE: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-30 Thread Sam Bowling

I’m not so sure this guy is professional but it gives a decent overview of 
setting up a very basic rig. Looks much better than the mess that you have to 
deal with in Modo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs8AfIIy6HU

 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Bowling
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:32 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Cinema 4D an option?

 

Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I bought 
version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools were pretty 
much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they updated them a while 
back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even examples that look anything 
but amateur at best. 

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal Infante
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

 

Arnold announced for C4D:

 

http://www.maxon.net/en/news/press-releases/singleview/article/solid-angle-and-maxon-to-reveal-arnold-for-cinema-4d-at-siggraph.html

 

On 16 March 2014 20:06, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote:

Quite sure a lot of things are faster with 7 titans...

 

On 16 March 2014 19:45, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Another interesting demo with C4D, octane and 7 titans ;). How fast is that!

 

https://vimeo.com/82836433



On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

 

Tim Clapham from hellolux has been kind enough to share a code for 50% discount 
on some of this training in case anyone is interested:

 

use code: softimagetv-c4d

 

learn. Mastering Materials in Cinema4D 
http://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-mastering-materials-cinema4d-from-tim-clapham/
 

learn. Idents for Cinema4D: TV 
http://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-idents-tv/ 

learn. Cinema4D Dynamics http://www.helloluxx.com/product/cinema4d-dynamics/ 

 

 

On 13 March 2014 16:12, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote:

No idea on the temps - I was talking to them about Fabric stuff a few years 
back and they were great to work with. I'm sure if you approach them they'll 
have a formal eval program...

 

On 13 March 2014 12:09, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

Regarding the free CC… You are right. But the free version in combination with 
their 42 day demo will be a good way to test the C4D waters to see if it will 
indeed be worth buying the full version to add to our pipeline. 

 

The plan would be to use the free version to get an understanding of how it 
works in our environment, then install the demo to see what we are missing. 
(Even though the demo does still have some limitations.)

 

Good to hear that the C4D guys are passionate/willing to listen.

I wonder if they give out temp licenses? ;) That way our evaluation won’t be 
restricted by the limitations of the demo or the free CC version. 

 

 

Ed

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Doyle
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:27 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com


Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

 

Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few years and I 
have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of guys that are 
investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't have what you need 
today, it might be worth contacting them and asking about long-term plans and 
roadmap.

 

On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:

the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to be using.

 

On 13 March 2014 15:1

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-07-30 Thread Sergio Mucino

I'll be curious Sam. How do you find Modo messy for rigging? Genuine question.
Cheers!

Sergio Muciño.
Sent from my iPad.

On Jul 30, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net wrote:

I’m not so sure this guy is professional but it gives a decent overview of
setting up a very basic rig. Looks much better than the mess that you have to
deal with in Modo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs8AfIIy6HU

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sam Bowling
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:32 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Cinema 4D an option?

Just wondering if anyone has done any real character animation in C4D. I
bought version 9 when I dumped Lightwave and the character animation tools
were pretty much crap (which is why I own Softimage now). I heard they
updated them a while back, but I can’t really find any tutorials or even
examples that look anything but amateur at best.

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal
Infante
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:26 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Arnold announced for C4D:

http://www.maxon.net/en/news/press-releases/singleview/article/solid-angle-and-maxon-to-reveal-arnold-for-cinema-4d-at-siggraph.html

On 16 March 2014 20:06, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Quite sure a lot of things are faster with 7 titans...

On 16 March 2014 19:45, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:
Another interesting demo with C4D, octane and 7 titans ;). How fast is that!

https://vimeo.com/82836433

On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,

Tim Clapham from hellolux has been kind enough to share a code for 50%
discount on some of this training in case anyone is interested:

use code: softimagetv-c4d

learn. Mastering Materials in Cinema4D
learn. Idents for Cinema4D: TV
learn. Cinema4D Dynamics

On 13 March 2014 16:12, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote:
No idea on the temps - I was talking to them about Fabric stuff a few years
back and they were great to work with. I'm sure if you approach them they'll
have a formal eval program...

On 13 March 2014 12:09, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:
Regarding the free CC… You are right. But the free version in combination
with their 42 day demo will be a good way to test the C4D waters to see if it
will indeed be worth buying the full version to add to our pipeline.

The plan would be to use the free version to get an understanding of how it
works in our environment, then install the demo to see what we are missing.
(Even though the demo does still have some limitations.)

Good to hear that the C4D guys are passionate/willing to listen.

I wonder if they give out temp licenses? ;) That way our evaluation won’t be
restricted by the limitations of the demo or the free CC version.

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Doyle
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:27 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few years and
I have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of guys that are
investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't have what you need
today, it might be worth contacting them and asking about long-term plans and
roadmap.

On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:

the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to be
using.

On 13 March 2014 15:1

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-16 Thread Sebastien Sterling

Quite sure a lot of things are faster with 7 titans...

On 16 March 2014 19:45, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Another interesting demo with C4D, octane and 7 titans ;). How fast is
that!

https://vimeo.com/82836433

On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Tim Clapham from hellolux has been kind enough to share a code for 50%
discount on some of this training in case anyone is interested:

use code: softimagetv-c4d

learn. Mastering Materials in
Cinema4Dhttp://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-mastering-materials-cinema4d-from-tim-clapham/
learn. Idents for Cinema4D:
TVhttp://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-idents-tv/
learn. Cinema4D Dynamicshttp://www.helloluxx.com/product/cinema4d-dynamics/

On 13 March 2014 16:12, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote:

No idea on the temps - I was talking to them about Fabric stuff a few
years back and they were great to work with. I'm sure if you approach them
they'll have a formal eval program...

On 13 March 2014 12:09, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

Regarding the free CC... You are right. But the free version in
combination with their 42 day demo will be a good way to test the C4D
waters to see if it will indeed be worth buying the full version to add to
our pipeline.

Good to hear that the C4D guys are passionate/willing to listen.

I wonder if they give out temp licenses? ;) That way our evaluation won't
be restricted by the limitations of the demo or the free CC version.

*Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few years
and I have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of guys
that are investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't have
what you need today, it might be worth contacting them and asking about
long-term plans and roadmap.

On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:

the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to
be using.

On 13 March 2014 15:1

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread David Saber


Amazing 8)
This exists?

On 2014-03-13 00:43, Cristobal Infante wrote:
A bit OT but octane looking everyday more impressive and the 
integration with Cinema 4D is pretty solid.


But check out this guy rendering with 4 titans from the standalone 
version.


...and it's rendered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqf1n2xq80

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread Rob Wuijster


If it gets any faster, it's like running a game ;-)
Very impressive!!


Rob
E r...@casema.nl

\/-\/\/

On 13-3-2014 10:52, David Saber wrote:

Amazing 8)
This exists?

On 2014-03-13 00:43, Cristobal Infante wrote:
A bit OT but octane looking everyday more impressive and the 
integration with Cinema 4D is pretty solid.


But check out this guy rendering with 4 titans from the standalone 
version.


...and it's rendered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqf1n2xq80




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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread Cristobal Infante

You need a machine with 4 titans that's about EURO 5000 euros or more I
believe. So it comes at a price...

On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  If it gets any faster, it's like running a game ;-)
 Very impressive!!


 Rob
 E r...@casema.nl javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@casema.nl');

 \/-\/\/

 On 13-3-2014 10:52, David Saber wrote:

 Amazing 8)
 This exists?

 On 2014-03-13 00:43, Cristobal Infante wrote:

 A bit OT but octane looking everyday more impressive and the integration
 with Cinema 4D is pretty solid.

 But check out this guy rendering with 4 titans from the standalone
 version.

 ...and it's rendered

 Octane Render with (4) Nvidia GTX 
 Titanshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqf1n2xq80



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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread philipp seis

hey mirko, really sounds to good to be true. I agree, it's cheap. Is it
really as simple as letting someone wire the cards together and pressing
render, or did you have any pitfalls ?



2014-03-13 11:20 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com:

 That is a price I gladly paid with my 4 titan system, together with
 Redshift it makes rendering fnu again and saving a lot of time and earning
 back every EUR invested.


 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.comwrote:

 You need a machine with 4 titans that's about EURO 5000 euros or more I
 believe. So it comes at a price...


 On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  If it gets any faster, it's like running a game ;-)
 Very impressive!!

 Rob
 E r...@casema.nl

 \/-\/\/

 On 13-3-2014 10:52, David Saber wrote:

 Amazing 8)
 This exists?

 On 2014-03-13 00:43, Cristobal Infante wrote:

 A bit OT but octane looking everyday more impressive and the integration
 with Cinema 4D is pretty solid.

 But check out this guy rendering with 4 titans from the standalone
 version.

 ...and it's rendered

 Octane Render with (4) Nvidia GTX 
 Titanshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqf1n2xq80



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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread Ed Schiffer

I've made a *First Impressions* review a couple of years ago:
http://edschiffer.com/?p=248

It's UI is the easiest it can be, but it is still very much mograph focused
for me.


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:41 AM, philipp seis dpi...@gmail.com wrote:

 hey mirko, really sounds to good to be true. I agree, it's cheap. Is it
 really as simple as letting someone wire the cards together and pressing
 render, or did you have any pitfalls ?



 2014-03-13 11:20 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com:

 That is a price I gladly paid with my 4 titan system, together with
 Redshift it makes rendering fnu again and saving a lot of time and earning
 back every EUR invested.


 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.comwrote:

 You need a machine with 4 titans that's about EURO 5000 euros or more I
 believe. So it comes at a price...


 On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  If it gets any faster, it's like running a game ;-)
 Very impressive!!

 Rob
 E r...@casema.nl

 \/-\/\/

 On 13-3-2014 10:52, David Saber wrote:

 Amazing 8)
 This exists?

 On 2014-03-13 00:43, Cristobal Infante wrote:

 A bit OT but octane looking everyday more impressive and the
 integration with Cinema 4D is pretty solid.

 But check out this guy rendering with 4 titans from the standalone
 version.

 ...and it's rendered

 Octane Render with (4) Nvidia GTX 
 Titanshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqf1n2xq80



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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread mark jones

the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to be
using.


On 13 March 2014 15:16, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

  I found this line very interesting:

 to edit the geometry you have to freeze [collapse] it's parametrical
 parameters
 Does anyone know if this is still true?



 On the surface it seems like many of our mograph projects could benefit
 from the free C4D that comes with After Effects. For us, the complex jobs
 will still have to be done in XSI... and whatever we choose to use next.

 Ed



 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed Schiffer
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:58 AM
 *To:* Softimage Mailing List
 *Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?



 I've made a *First Impressions* review a couple of years ago:
 http://edschiffer.com/?p=248

 It's UI is the easiest it can be, but it is still very much mograph
 focused for me.





 --
 www.edschiffer.com




-- 
www.muchi.tv

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread Paul Doyle

Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few years
and I have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of guys
that are investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't have
what you need today, it might be worth contacting them and asking about
long-term plans and roadmap.


On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:

 the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to be
 using.


 On 13 March 2014 15:16, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

  I found this line very interesting:

 to edit the geometry you have to freeze [collapse] it's parametrical
 parameters
 Does anyone know if this is still true?



 On the surface it seems like many of our mograph projects could benefit
 from the free C4D that comes with After Effects. For us, the complex jobs
 will still have to be done in XSI... and whatever we choose to use next.

 Ed



 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed Schiffer
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:58 AM
 *To:* Softimage Mailing List
 *Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?



 I've made a *First Impressions* review a couple of years ago:
 http://edschiffer.com/?p=248

 It's UI is the easiest it can be, but it is still very much mograph
 focused for me.





 --
 www.edschiffer.com




 --
 www.muchi.tv

RE: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread Ed Harriss

Regarding the free CC... You are right. But the free version in combination 
with their 42 day demo will be a good way to test the C4D waters to see if it 
will indeed be worth buying the full version to add to our pipeline.

The plan would be to use the free version to get an understanding of how it 
works in our environment, then install the demo to see what we are missing. 
(Even though the demo does still have some limitations.)

Good to hear that the C4D guys are passionate/willing to listen.
I wonder if they give out temp licenses? ;) That way our evaluation won't be 
restricted by the limitations of the demo or the free CC version.


Ed

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Doyle
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:27 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few years and I 
have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of guys that are 
investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't have what you need 
today, it might be worth contacting them and asking about long-term plans and 
roadmap.

On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones 
markjonescont...@gmail.commailto:markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:
the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to be using.

On 13 March 2014 15:16, Ed Harriss 
ed.harr...@sas.commailto:ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:
I found this line very interesting:
to edit the geometry you have to freeze [collapse] it's parametrical 
parameters
Does anyone know if this is still true?

On the surface it seems like many of our mograph projects could benefit from 
the free C4D that comes with After Effects. For us, the complex jobs will 
still have to be done in XSI... and whatever we choose to use next.
Ed

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Ed Schiffer
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:58 AM
To: Softimage Mailing List
Subject: Re: Cinema 4D an option?

I've made a First Impressions review a couple of years ago: 
http://edschiffer.com/?p=248

It's UI is the easiest it can be, but it is still very much mograph focused for 
me.


--
www.edschiffer.comhttp://www.edschiffer.com



--
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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread Paul Doyle

No idea on the temps - I was talking to them about Fabric stuff a few years
back and they were great to work with. I'm sure if you approach them
they'll have a formal eval program...


On 13 March 2014 12:09, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

  Regarding the free CC... You are right. But the free version in
 combination with their 42 day demo will be a good way to test the C4D
 waters to see if it will indeed be worth buying the full version to add to
 our pipeline.



 The plan would be to use the free version to get an understanding of how
 it works in our environment, then install the demo to see what we are
 missing. (Even though the demo does still have some limitations.)



 Good to hear that the C4D guys are passionate/willing to listen.

 I wonder if they give out temp licenses? ;) That way our evaluation won't
 be restricted by the limitations of the demo or the free CC version.





 Ed



 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Doyle
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:27 AM
 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

 *Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?



 Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few years
 and I have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of guys
 that are investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't have
 what you need today, it might be worth contacting them and asking about
 long-term plans and roadmap.



 On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:

  the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to
 be using.



 On 13 March 2014 15:16, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

  I found this line very interesting:

 to edit the geometry you have to freeze [collapse] it's parametrical
 parameters
 Does anyone know if this is still true?



 On the surface it seems like many of our mograph projects could benefit
 from the free C4D that comes with After Effects. For us, the complex jobs
 will still have to be done in XSI... and whatever we choose to use next.

 Ed



 *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
 softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed Schiffer
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:58 AM
 *To:* Softimage Mailing List
 *Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?



 I've made a *First Impressions* review a couple of years ago:
 http://edschiffer.com/?p=248

 It's UI is the easiest it can be, but it is still very much mograph
 focused for me.





 --
 www.edschiffer.com





 --

 www.muchi.tv

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-13 Thread Cristobal Infante

Hi,

Tim Clapham from hellolux has been kind enough to share a code for 50%
discount on some of this training in case anyone is interested:

use code: softimagetv-c4d

learn. Mastering Materials in
Cinema4Dhttp://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-mastering-materials-cinema4d-from-tim-clapham/
learn. Idents for Cinema4D:
TVhttp://www.helloluxx.com/product/learn-idents-tv/
learn. Cinema4D Dynamicshttp://www.helloluxx.com/product/cinema4d-dynamics/

On 13 March 2014 16:12, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote:

No idea on the temps - I was talking to them about Fabric stuff a few
years back and they were great to work with. I'm sure if you approach them
they'll have a formal eval program...

On 13 March 2014 12:09, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

Good to hear that the C4D guys are passionate/willing to listen.

I wonder if they give out temp licenses? ;) That way our evaluation won't
be restricted by the limitations of the demo or the free CC version.

*Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Just to chime in - I've met a lot of the C4D guys over the past few years
and I have to say they are a really impressive, passionate bunch of guys
that are investing heavily in their technology. Even if they don't have
what you need today, it might be worth contacting them and asking about
long-term plans and roadmap.

On 13 March 2014 11:18, mark jones markjonescont...@gmail.com wrote:

the free CC version doesnt have all the mograph features you'd want to
be using.

On 13 March 2014 15:16, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

I found this line very interesting:

to edit the geometry you have to freeze [collapse] it's parametrical
parameters
Does anyone know if this is still true?

On the surface it seems like many of our mograph projects could benefit
from the free C4D that comes with After Effects. For us, the complex jobs
will still have to be done in XSI... and whatever we choose to use next.

*From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed Schiffer
*Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:58 AM
*To:* Softimage Mailing List
*Subject:* Re: Cinema 4D an option?

I've made a *First Impressions* review a couple of years ago:
http://edschiffer.com/?p=248

It's UI is the easiest it can be, but it is still very much mograph
focused for me.

--
www.edschiffer.com

www.muchi.tv

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Yes, me?

Artur




2014-03-12 20:00 GMT+01:00 Leoung O'Young digim...@digimata.com:

 I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even Blender as
 an option excluding AD products, but not much has been talk about Cinema4D.
 It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

 Thanks,
 Leoung

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

Well, C4D won't substitute Softimage.

But it has some great tools, quick to learn, Octane renderer bought
separatelly, insane) and is stable. Also, there are guys working o Arnold
plugin as we speak.

Artur


2014-03-12 20:01 GMT+01:00 Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com:

 Yes, me?

 Artur




 2014-03-12 20:00 GMT+01:00 Leoung O'Young digim...@digimata.com:

 I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even Blender as
 an option excluding AD products, but not much has been talk about Cinema4D.
 It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

 Thanks,
 Leoung

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Byron Nash

My boss just bought us a copy during the sale they have right now. For all
the mograph stuff we do it will probably come in handy. I'm not sure how
much it's going to help us trying to pursue more high end VFX work though.
I mentioned Houdini to him and that went nowhere. All he can think about is
finding freelancers to fill seats. There probably isn't a Houdini person
within 300 miles of here.

Byron


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Leoung O'Young digim...@digimata.comwrote:

 I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even Blender as
 an option excluding AD products, but not much has been talk about Cinema4D.
 It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

 Thanks,
 Leoung

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Rob Wuijster

There's some chatter on si-community.com about C4D. Some ppl are posting 
videos on certain question asked.

Might be an interesting read/watch?


Rob

\/-\/\/

On 12-3-2014 20:07, Byron Nash wrote:
My boss just bought us a copy during the sale they have right now. For 
all the mograph stuff we do it will probably come in handy. I'm not 
sure how much it's going to help us trying to pursue more high end VFX 
work though. I mentioned Houdini to him and that went nowhere. All he 
can think about is finding freelancers to fill seats. There probably 
isn't a Houdini person within 300 miles of here.


Byron


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Leoung O'Young digim...@digimata.com 
mailto:digim...@digimata.com wrote:


I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even
Blender as an option excluding AD products, but not much has been
talk about Cinema4D.
It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

Thanks,
Leoung


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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Cristobal Infante

it's definetely an interesting
option here is an overview of the software made for softimage users:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0WGzecSo2c

On Wednesday, 12 March 2014, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  There's some chatter on si-community.com about C4D. Some ppl are posting
 videos on certain question asked.
 Might be an interesting read/watch?


 Rob

 \/-\/\/

 On 12-3-2014 20:07, Byron Nash wrote:

 My boss just bought us a copy during the sale they have right now. For all
 the mograph stuff we do it will probably come in handy. I'm not sure how
 much it's going to help us trying to pursue more high end VFX work though.
 I mentioned Houdini to him and that went nowhere. All he can think about is
 finding freelancers to fill seats. There probably isn't a Houdini person
 within 300 miles of here.

  Byron


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Leoung O'Young 
 digim...@digimata.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','digim...@digimata.com');
  wrote:

 I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even Blender as
 an option excluding AD products, but not much has been talk about Cinema4D.
 It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

 Thanks,
 Leoung


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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Chris Johnson

Our creative director uses it exclusively and he cranks out really cool
stuff really fast. I've been really impressed with it for what he can do
for Style Frames in very short period of time. He's also done some really
nice particle work with it. Here's some of his work. He did the FX for the
Tron Destiny entirely by himself.

https://vimeo.com/pilotpriest


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

 it's definetely an interesting
 option here is an overview of the software made for softimage users:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0WGzecSo2c


 On Wednesday, 12 March 2014, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  There's some chatter on si-community.com about C4D. Some ppl are
 posting videos on certain question asked.
 Might be an interesting read/watch?

 Rob

 \/-\/\/

 On 12-3-2014 20:07, Byron Nash wrote:

 My boss just bought us a copy during the sale they have right now. For
 all the mograph stuff we do it will probably come in handy. I'm not sure
 how much it's going to help us trying to pursue more high end VFX work
 though. I mentioned Houdini to him and that went nowhere. All he can think
 about is finding freelancers to fill seats. There probably isn't a Houdini
 person within 300 miles of here.

  Byron


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Leoung O'Young digim...@digimata.comwrote:

 I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even Blender as
 an option excluding AD products, but not much has been talk about Cinema4D.
 It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

 Thanks,
 Leoung


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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Meng-Yang Lu

Buddy of mine did a screencast of it for me over Skype.  It looks and feels
like a modern app.  And it is incredibly fast.  I know it's strengths are
fast assembly similar to XSI.  Thinking Particles for fx.  It looks like a
great look-dev environment honestly.

My take on it is that C4D is used as a 3D supplement to a lot of AE work
out there, but has a strong feature set for hardcore CG nerds.  Just our
worlds have never met because we don't feel like we're doing real work
unless we're sweating a bit.

The more I'm looking at all the options, I feel C4D is just a worthy of a
contender as Modo is.

-Lu


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote:

 Our creative director uses it exclusively and he cranks out really cool
 stuff really fast. I've been really impressed with it for what he can do
 for Style Frames in very short period of time. He's also done some really
 nice particle work with it. Here's some of his work. He did the FX for the
 Tron Destiny entirely by himself.

 https://vimeo.com/pilotpriest


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.comwrote:

 it's definetely an interesting
 option here is an overview of the software made for softimage users:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0WGzecSo2c


 On Wednesday, 12 March 2014, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  There's some chatter on si-community.com about C4D. Some ppl are
 posting videos on certain question asked.
 Might be an interesting read/watch?

 Rob

 \/-\/\/

 On 12-3-2014 20:07, Byron Nash wrote:

 My boss just bought us a copy during the sale they have right now. For
 all the mograph stuff we do it will probably come in handy. I'm not sure
 how much it's going to help us trying to pursue more high end VFX work
 though. I mentioned Houdini to him and that went nowhere. All he can think
 about is finding freelancers to fill seats. There probably isn't a Houdini
 person within 300 miles of here.

  Byron


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Leoung O'Young 
 digim...@digimata.comwrote:

 I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even Blender
 as an option excluding AD products, but not much has been talk about
 Cinema4D.
 It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

 Thanks,
 Leoung


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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread John Richard Sanchez

I am looking at it as there is a big market for it in NYC. Now I have extra
motivation to give it a real look.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Meng-Yang Lu ntmon...@gmail.com wrote:

 Buddy of mine did a screencast of it for me over Skype.  It looks and
 feels like a modern app.  And it is incredibly fast.  I know it's strengths
 are fast assembly similar to XSI.  Thinking Particles for fx.  It looks
 like a great look-dev environment honestly.

 My take on it is that C4D is used as a 3D supplement to a lot of AE work
 out there, but has a strong feature set for hardcore CG nerds.  Just our
 worlds have never met because we don't feel like we're doing real work
 unless we're sweating a bit.

 The more I'm looking at all the options, I feel C4D is just a worthy of a
 contender as Modo is.

 -Lu


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.comwrote:

 Our creative director uses it exclusively and he cranks out really cool
 stuff really fast. I've been really impressed with it for what he can do
 for Style Frames in very short period of time. He's also done some really
 nice particle work with it. Here's some of his work. He did the FX for the
 Tron Destiny entirely by himself.

 https://vimeo.com/pilotpriest


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.comwrote:

 it's definetely an interesting
 option here is an overview of the software made for softimage users:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0WGzecSo2c


 On Wednesday, 12 March 2014, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  There's some chatter on si-community.com about C4D. Some ppl are
 posting videos on certain question asked.
 Might be an interesting read/watch?

 Rob

 \/-\/\/

 On 12-3-2014 20:07, Byron Nash wrote:

 My boss just bought us a copy during the sale they have right now. For
 all the mograph stuff we do it will probably come in handy. I'm not sure
 how much it's going to help us trying to pursue more high end VFX work
 though. I mentioned Houdini to him and that went nowhere. All he can think
 about is finding freelancers to fill seats. There probably isn't a Houdini
 person within 300 miles of here.

  Byron


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Leoung O'Young 
 digim...@digimata.comwrote:

 I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even Blender
 as an option excluding AD products, but not much has been talk about
 Cinema4D.
 It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

 Thanks,
 Leoung


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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

there is this plugin turbulance 4d from http://www.jawset.com/ and it's
amazing. I saw a demo of it made by a friend of mine. Fast interacts with
everything.


2014-03-12 20:32 GMT+01:00 Meng-Yang Lu ntmon...@gmail.com:

 Buddy of mine did a screencast of it for me over Skype.  It looks and
 feels like a modern app.  And it is incredibly fast.  I know it's strengths
 are fast assembly similar to XSI.  Thinking Particles for fx.  It looks
 like a great look-dev environment honestly.

 My take on it is that C4D is used as a 3D supplement to a lot of AE work
 out there, but has a strong feature set for hardcore CG nerds.  Just our
 worlds have never met because we don't feel like we're doing real work
 unless we're sweating a bit.

 The more I'm looking at all the options, I feel C4D is just a worthy of a
 contender as Modo is.

 -Lu


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.comwrote:

 Our creative director uses it exclusively and he cranks out really cool
 stuff really fast. I've been really impressed with it for what he can do
 for Style Frames in very short period of time. He's also done some really
 nice particle work with it. Here's some of his work. He did the FX for the
 Tron Destiny entirely by himself.

 https://vimeo.com/pilotpriest


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.comwrote:

 it's definetely an interesting
 option here is an overview of the software made for softimage users:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0WGzecSo2c


 On Wednesday, 12 March 2014, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote:

  There's some chatter on si-community.com about C4D. Some ppl are
 posting videos on certain question asked.
 Might be an interesting read/watch?

 Rob

 \/-\/\/

 On 12-3-2014 20:07, Byron Nash wrote:

 My boss just bought us a copy during the sale they have right now. For
 all the mograph stuff we do it will probably come in handy. I'm not sure
 how much it's going to help us trying to pursue more high end VFX work
 though. I mentioned Houdini to him and that went nowhere. All he can think
 about is finding freelancers to fill seats. There probably isn't a Houdini
 person within 300 miles of here.

  Byron


 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Leoung O'Young 
 digim...@digimata.comwrote:

 I see there are a lot of discussion of Modo, Houdini and even Blender
 as an option excluding AD products, but not much has been talk about
 Cinema4D.
 It is definitely cheaper. Anyone else looking at it as an option?

 Thanks,
 Leoung


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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Ben Houston

Cinema 4D is rare 3D DCC that has a growing user base, mostly because
of the Adobe linkage I think.

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RE: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Ed Harriss

As the lite version comes free with After Effects, I'll at least give it a good 
look. 
If it works well enough, I plan on using it as a supplement. Not a replacement. 
(Don't know what that will be yet.)

Ed

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Cinema 4D is rare 3D DCC that has a growing user base, mostly because of the 
Adobe linkage I think.

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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread sc...@turbulenceffects.com

Definitely want to hear which way you go Ed. 

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RE: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Ed Harriss

You are not the first to ask me that question, and a doubt that you will be the 
last. ;)
Once I decide which way I’m going, I’ll be sure to let you (and everyone else) 
know.

Ed

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Definitely want to hear which way you go Ed.

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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Cristobal Infante

Hi Ed,

there is no replacement :(

On Wednesday, 12 March 2014, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

  You are not the first to ask me that question, and a doubt that you will
 be the last. ;)

 Once I decide which way I'm going, I'll be sure to let you (and everyone
 else) know.



 Ed



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 Definitely want to hear which way you go Ed.

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Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-12 Thread Cristobal Infante

A bit OT but octane looking everyday more impressive and the integration
with Cinema 4D is pretty solid.

But check out this guy rendering with 4 titans from the standalone version.


...and it's rendered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqf1n2xq80


On 12 March 2014 21:08, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ed,

 there is no replacement :(


 On Wednesday, 12 March 2014, Ed Harriss ed.harr...@sas.com wrote:

  You are not the first to ask me that question, and a doubt that you
 will be the last. ;)

 Once I decide which way I'm going, I'll be sure to let you (and everyone
 else) know.



 Ed



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Re: Cinema 4D an option?