Re: Reporting broken sites

2009-07-08 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:38:22 -0700, Ken Rudolph wrote:

 All well and good; but the question is why is Seamonkey 1.1.17 so 
 much less robust than Firefox?  And furthermore, why is the broken 
 site window so useless?  Will SM 2.0 be more Foxy, at least?

You have to compare apples to apples:

SeaMonkey 1.1.17 == Firefox 2.0.0.?
SeaMonkey 2.0b1pre == Firefox 3.5.0

(I think I am one of the only two people using SeaMonkey 1.5a ~~ Firefox
3.0)

Phil

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Re: Removing Add-On

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Feitag

Brian Mailman schrieb:

Martin Feitag wrote:

Brian Mailman schrieb:

I downloaded the add-on mentioned recently that places an X on each tab
in order to close it with one click. I find that unlike IE the X is too
large and I keep closing a tab accidentally when I want to access it
instead.

I thought when I upgraded to SM 1.1.17 it would disappear (I've seen the
discussions about reinstalling add-ons,) but it didn't. How can I remove
it?


I described how to remove Extensons in 1.1.x already today to
Charlene: h2t3kp$2m...@news.albasani.net
(just one thread below yours ;-) )

btw: you can close tabs easily with a middle-mouse-click, too.
regards


Thanks.

Now if only I had a middle mouse button

B/


it's probably your scroll wheel, which is clickable. There are not many 
mice without third button functionality out there any longer.

regards

Martin


PS: I guess when SM is out, your problem will be solved ;-)
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Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3 starting this Thursday July 9th 2009

2009-07-08 Thread Ludovic Hirlimann
To make sure that Thunderbird 3.0 b3 ships with the highest quality. To 
make sure that nightly users did not make any important regressions, the 
Quality assurance team of Thunderbird is organizing a Full Functional 
Test of the builds that will become beta 3 itself.


We will use Litmus[1] and bugzilla to track the testing. Litmus will be 
used to know what to test and how as it contains our testcase database. 
Results will be stored in both Litmus and Bugzilla. When a test fails 
please make sure to :


1) file a bug in bugzilla
2)mark the bugs blocking bug 502621 [3] which is our tracking bug for 
this testing effort.

3)reference that bug in litmus - when submitting results

 I Read the litmus documentation

 II download the builds from [5]

 III point your browser to the test-run for Thunderbird 3.0 b3 [2], log in

 i chose an area you would like to test

 ii execute a test - report the results

 iii if the test failed make sure to enter a bug in bugzilla and mark 
that bug blocking 502621



If you have any question point your browser here [4] and fire your 
question away - note that it might takes some time before you get the 
answer.


[1] http://quality.mozilla.org/documents-home/test-docs/litmus-tutorial
[2] https://litmus.mozilla.org/run_tests.cgi?test_run_id=40
[3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502621
[4] http://www.mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.mozilla.orgchannel=%23tb-qa
[5] 
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/


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Re: Removing Add-On

2009-07-08 Thread Benoit Renard

Martin Feitag wrote:

PS: I guess when SM is out, your problem will be solved ;-)


SeaMonkey 2.54?
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Re: Reporting broken sites

2009-07-08 Thread Daniel

Ken Rudolph wrote:

There's a site which keeps crashing Seamonkey 1.1.17 when I click on
it, at least lately (it didn't used to happen).  The site doesn't
hang when I use Firefox 3.0.11.  The site is:
http://www.losangelesmovietimes.com/

On the SM Help menu there is a link to Report Broken Web Site.
However when I click on that it wants to report the URL of the site
I'm on currently (my home page after restarting SM).  The window
which loads doesn't seem to allow editing the URL line to put in the
site which is crashing the browser.  And of course, when the browser
is hung, there is no way to click on the Help menu.  So, the Report
link is useless for sites which crash Seamonkey.  Isn't that a real bug?

I wish I could say this was an isolated incident.  But I'm finding
more and more sites which hang in SM lately.  Here's another:  Load
http://www.outfest.org/fest2009/ and then click on the Buy Tickets
 Online Film Guide on the left side menu.  Voila...hang.  Again,
it doesn't happen with Firefox or IE.

Is this just my browser?  Or is there a problem with SM?

--Ken Rudolph




The outfest site locked up my SM 1.1.15, couldn't even close the browser 
by clicking the X, had to CTRl-ALT-Delete and end program. No Modem 
activity.


Daniel
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Re: Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3...

2009-07-08 Thread JR WG
Also sending separate Email to you, Ludovic...

RE:  Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3 starting Thursday July 9th 2009

Can you verify that we can test Thunderbird 3 without overwriting or losing our 
existing TBird 2 access or installation, in case we need to revert back to 
TBird 2 for some reason.

We should know that answer beforehand.

Thank you,
 
Joe

- Original Message ---

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:06:12 +0200
From: Ludovic Hirlimann ludo...@mozillamessaging.com
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3 starting this Thursday July 9th
   2009
Message-ID: 2nwdnym057cj8snxnz2dnuvz_ori4...@mozilla.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

To make sure that Thunderbird 3.0 b3 ships with the highest quality. To 
make sure that nightly users did not make any important regressions, the 
Quality assurance team of Thunderbird is organizing a Full Functional 
Test of the builds that will become beta 3 itself.

We will use Litmus[1] and bugzilla to track the testing. Litmus will be 
used to know what to test and how as it contains our testcase database. 
Results will be stored in both Litmus and Bugzilla. When a test fails 
please make sure to :

1) file a bug in bugzilla
2)mark the bugs blocking bug 502621 [3] which is our tracking bug for 
this testing effort.
3)reference that bug in litmus - when submitting results

  I Read the litmus documentation

  II download the builds from [5]

  III point your browser to the test-run for Thunderbird 3.0 b3 [2], log in

  i chose an area you would like to test

  ii execute a test - report the results

  iii if the test failed make sure to enter a bug in bugzilla and mark 
that bug blocking 502621


If you have any question point your browser here [4] and fire your 
question away - note that it might takes some time before you get the 
answer.

[1] http://quality.mozilla.org/documents-home/test-docs/litmus-tutorial
[2] https://litmus.mozilla.org/run_tests.cgi?test_run_id=40
[3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502621
[4] http://www.mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.mozilla.orgchannel=%23tb-qa
[5] 
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/

Ludovic - for the Thunderbird QA team
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http://www.spreadthunderbird.com/aff/79/2


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Re: Removing Add-On

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Feitag

Benoit Renard schrieb:

Martin Feitag wrote:

PS: I guess when SM is out, your problem will be solved ;-)


SeaMonkey 2.54?


Whoops, I held Shift a bit too long, should have been SM2, sry...


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Should I worry

2009-07-08 Thread Barbara Norvell
I recently visited either MySpace or My Facebook page.  I click on a 
game that I wanted to play and the weirdest thing happened. Instead of a 
game, something came up that looked like the ftp page that I get when I

use Fireftp.  It startled me and then I closed it out right away.
How did this happen?  It was my hardrive and folders that were showing 
in the right hand column, just like it does when I load Fireftp.


I can't remember what game I clicked on but it sure was scary. I got out 
of it in less than a minute, but am still worried.



Barb

Mac Ibook G4
768 MG DDR SDRAM
1.07 GHz PowerPc G4
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Url won't work

2009-07-08 Thread Barbara Norvell
I use the Humana website and am having a problem with one page - the 
page to order my refills. You probably can't help me with that because
you have to be a member and use a password.  Would it help if I went to 
the page and gave you the source info and page info.  I can get the page 
to come up on a PC.


I get the error message:
This feature is currently unavailable. Please check back with us again 
shortly.
You may also contact our Customer Service Representatives at the number 
listed on the back of your ID Card.



Barb

Mac Ibook G4
768 MG DDR SDRAM
1.07 GHz PowerPc G4
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Re: Reporting broken sites

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Feitag

Ken Rudolph schrieb:

Daniel wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

There's a site which keeps crashing Seamonkey 1.1.17 when I click on
it, at least lately (it didn't used to happen). The site doesn't
hang when I use Firefox 3.0.11. The site is:
http://www.losangelesmovietimes.com/

On the SM Help menu there is a link to Report Broken Web Site.
However when I click on that it wants to report the URL of the site
I'm on currently (my home page after restarting SM). The window
which loads doesn't seem to allow editing the URL line to put in the
site which is crashing the browser. And of course, when the browser
is hung, there is no way to click on the Help menu. So, the Report
link is useless for sites which crash Seamonkey. Isn't that a real bug?

I wish I could say this was an isolated incident. But I'm finding
more and more sites which hang in SM lately. Here's another: Load
http://www.outfest.org/fest2009/ and then click on the Buy Tickets
 Online Film Guide on the left side menu. Voila...hang. Again,
it doesn't happen with Firefox or IE.

Is this just my browser? Or is there a problem with SM?

--Ken Rudolph




The outfest site locked up my SM 1.1.15, couldn't even close the
browser by clicking the X, had to CTRl-ALT-Delete and end program.
No Modem activity.


These sites aren't exactly malware, being fairly typical of important
web resources. The fact that SM 1x can't handle them, despite their
deficiencies, is all the more reason that SM 2x is necessary. I'm not a
beta kinda user...when IS 2.0 release version actually scheduled for? It
is really needed NOW.

--Ken Rudolph


Sry but afaik there's only a BETA scheduled for now which is targeted 
around the 16th of July (so pretty soon, they're primarily waiting for 
the Thunderbird team to complete their latest TB beta of v3.0 because of 
being dependent on some code in there)
Feel free to grab SM2.0alpha3 to test, it won't touch your existing SM 
and import all data to a new profile and is very stable, especially for 
an alpha version.

regards

Martin
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Re: Reporting broken sites

2009-07-08 Thread Ken Rudolph

Martin Feitag wrote:

Ken Rudolph schrieb:



These sites aren't exactly malware, being fairly typical of important
web resources. The fact that SM 1x can't handle them, despite their
deficiencies, is all the more reason that SM 2x is necessary. I'm not a
beta kinda user...when IS 2.0 release version actually scheduled for? It
is really needed NOW.

--Ken Rudolph


Sry but afaik there's only a BETA scheduled for now which is targeted 
around the 16th of July (so pretty soon, they're primarily waiting for 
the Thunderbird team to complete their latest TB beta of v3.0 because of 
being dependent on some code in there)
Feel free to grab SM2.0alpha3 to test, it won't touch your existing SM 
and import all data to a new profile and is very stable, especially for 
an alpha version.

regards

Martin


Even the thought of testing an alpha makes me shudder with angst. 
 It seems to me that the news-mail part of SM 1x is not nearly so 
deficient and outdated as the browser portion.  If it is Thunderbird 
3 which is holding up SM 2x then maybe SM 2.0 should be released 
with a lesser mail client.


I guess I'm especially despondent because I've been a fanatical 
supporter of the suite browser concept since Netscape 0.8 and now 
I feel that nothing sufficiently modern is out there that I'm 
comfortable using.  The SeaMonkey Project is in danger of becoming 
irrelevant if they keep dithering and waiting for utter perfection.


--Ken Rudolph
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unresponsive script

2009-07-08 Thread Walter

I frequently get the following message:

{A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. 
You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script 
will complete.}


 (option boxes, {stop script} {continue}

I am running SeaMonkey 1.1.16. I have the latest version of Java loaded.

Any suggestions?

W.

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Re: Revert To Old SeaMonkey

2009-07-08 Thread Bill Davidsen

Jim S wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:34:10 -0700 (PDT), Jimmy Lee wrote:


Hello all. I am a SeaMonkey user since day 1.  Just recently started
biting me in the buttocks with v2.

Is it possible to go back to version 1.x of SeaMonkey? I upgraded to
v2 but it is just not working for me.  Constant crashes and I push the
button to report it.  The email notifies me of new mail, but won't
raise the window to the top when I click on the new mail
notification.  The columns available in mail are not customizable as
before. I can't see the size or account for emails in the Global
Inbox.  I was trying to live with these shortcomings as I thought new
releases would come faster.  Great product, but I prefer the stability
of the 1.x version even if it isn't all I want.  Can I go back to 1.x?
Any data that needs to converted from 2.x format back to 1.x format?

Thanks.


I just uninstalled v2 and installed 1.1.16. It picked up theold  stuff from
the profile ok.


You mean it picked stuff from the old profile, I assume. Stuff you changed will 
be lost (or at least mine were).


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Re: Removing Add-On

2009-07-08 Thread Brian Mailman

Martin Feitag wrote:

Brian Mailman schrieb:

Martin Feitag wrote:

Brian Mailman schrieb:

I downloaded the add-on mentioned recently that places an X on each tab
in order to close it with one click. I find that unlike IE the X is too
large and I keep closing a tab accidentally when I want to access it
instead.

I thought when I upgraded to SM 1.1.17 it would disappear (I've seen the
discussions about reinstalling add-ons,) but it didn't. How can I remove
it?


I described how to remove Extensons in 1.1.x already today to
Charlene: h2t3kp$2m...@news.albasani.net
(just one thread below yours ;-) )

btw: you can close tabs easily with a middle-mouse-click, too.
regards


Thanks.

Now if only I had a middle mouse button


it's probably your scroll wheel, which is clickable. There are not many 
mice without third button functionality out there any longer.


Huh, just messing around with that, I pressed down on the wheel instead 
of just running my finger over it.  I heard a distinct click!!  And I 
see a circle with arrows pointing out appear on the screen (I do know 
that means a misclick, which is by definition a click).  I've had this 
mouse for months now--if not over a year--and I never knew that.


As the Baba Rum Raisin (me in my more profound moments) says, live and 
learn... and then ya learn some more.


Thanks!  middle-mouse-click it is.  It's been frustrating having windows 
I've wanted to switch to close instead.



PS: I guess when SM is out, your problem will be solved ;-)


If the download manager is set to resume on stoppage, and if crossposted 
messages are marked as read after being seen once in News, and if it'll 
make the morning coffee I'll be a happy camper.


B/
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Re: Revert To Old SeaMonkey

2009-07-08 Thread Jim S
On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:05:54 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

 Jim S wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:34:10 -0700 (PDT), Jimmy Lee wrote:
 
 Hello all. I am a SeaMonkey user since day 1.  Just recently started
 biting me in the buttocks with v2.

 Is it possible to go back to version 1.x of SeaMonkey? I upgraded to
 v2 but it is just not working for me.  Constant crashes and I push the
 button to report it.  The email notifies me of new mail, but won't
 raise the window to the top when I click on the new mail
 notification.  The columns available in mail are not customizable as
 before. I can't see the size or account for emails in the Global
 Inbox.  I was trying to live with these shortcomings as I thought new
 releases would come faster.  Great product, but I prefer the stability
 of the 1.x version even if it isn't all I want.  Can I go back to 1.x?
 Any data that needs to converted from 2.x format back to 1.x format?

 Thanks.
 
 I just uninstalled v2 and installed 1.1.16. It picked up theold  stuff from
 the profile ok.
 
 You mean it picked stuff from the old profile, I assume. Stuff you changed 
 will 
 be lost (or at least mine were).

Ay!

Personally I'm a bit schizoid about the whole FF/ SM thing.
I cannot see the difference between the FF/Tbird combination and SM on its
own yet I know that if  SM worked as well as the FF/TB combination I would
opt for SM. However even though SM will by definition always lag behind I
cannot resist playing with it, but I did find V2 a step too far as it
currently stands.
-- 
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Re: Removing Add-On

2009-07-08 Thread Brian Mailman

David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/7/2009 11:48 AM, Brian Mailman wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/6/2009 11:31 AM, Brian Mailman wrote:

I downloaded the add-on mentioned recently that places an X on
each tab in order to close it with one click.  I find that
unlike IE the X is too large and I keep closing a tab
accidentally when I want to access it instead.

I thought when I upgraded to SM 1.1.17 it would disappear (I've
seen the discussions about reinstalling add-ons,) but it
didn't.  How can I remove it?

Alternately since I like the idea of the function, how can I
reduce the size of the X?

B/
I use the Mnenhy extension to remove other extensions.  See 
http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/.


Thanks, I hadn't realized that it would do that.  I'll have to see
if there's a newer version than the one I have (2005, wow how time
flies) because  I don't see anything about extension removal in
Edit  Preferences  Mnenhy


On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Tool  Chrome Manager].  (The
Chrome Manager is a component of Mnenhy.)


Ah, OK!


Wait a few seconds until you see Packages, Skins, and Locales
in the window.  Select the plus sign to the left of Packages.  Your
extensions should appear in the list. Select an extension and then
press the Delete key on your keyboard.  Do this for each extension to
be removed.  Then select the OK button.  This will terminate
SeaMonkey.


Yaay, that worked.  Now with the hint about the mousewheel 
(whoda thunk it), I'm set up perfectly.  Thanks.



Note:  In some cases, remnants of an extension might remain.  The
only time I have a problem with this is with FlashBlock, which must
be removed before a new version can be installed.  I have recorded
the successful steps for dealing with that extension.


I have CCleaner, which seems pretty good at that sort of thing.


You might want to visit the home pages for your extensions (e.g.,
within https://addons.mozilla.org/ or http://www.mozdev.org/) and
read if there are any special instructions for removing the
extensions.


PS: what do those buttons, 'extract' 'purge' and 'purify' mean?  I 
clicked on Help, but it brought up a web page and Edit  Find In This 
Page didn't find those terms.


B/
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Re: unresponsive script

2009-07-08 Thread Tony

Jay Garcia wrote:

On 08.07.2009 12:01, Walter wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


I frequently get the following message:

{A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. 
You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script 
will complete.}


 (option boxes, {stop script} {continue}

I am running SeaMonkey 1.1.16. I have the latest version of Java loaded.

Any suggestions?

W.



See the following article at Mozillazine:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Script_busy_or_stopped_responding


I see a similar message when I click on MyComics at comics.com  Istop 
the script and I see nothing wrong with the page when I do so. I think 
it's just a poorly written script.

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Re: Url won't work

2009-07-08 Thread Barbara Norvell
I have called them and they claim it is because I have a Mac, but can't 
give me any answers as to why or if they are going to fix it.



David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/8/2009 8:58 AM, Barbara Norvell wrote:
I use the Humana website and am having a problem with one page - the 
page to order my refills. You probably can't help me with that because
you have to be a member and use a password.  Would it help if I went to 
the page and gave you the source info and page info.  I can get the page 
to come up on a PC.


I get the error message:
This feature is currently unavailable. Please check back with us again 
shortly.
You may also contact our Customer Service Representatives at the number 
listed on the back of your ID Card.



Barb

Mac Ibook G4
768 MG DDR SDRAM
1.07 GHz PowerPc G4


I get the same thing (different words) at the AARP Medicate Supplement
page.  But it only happens on weekends, when they are apparently doing
updates to the Web site.

I suggest you indeed call them when it happens.


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Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 Released

2009-07-08 Thread Bill Davidsen

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/27/2009 8:26 PM, MalcolmO wrote:
I was surprised to find that it didn't notify me of a new version and 
(optionally) get it and install it for me. I was further surprised to 
find that there was no such option anywhere. Am I right about that or is 
it hidden somewhere? If not, will we see such a feature at any point?


In a funny bit of business, when I switched to my own profile to 
manually download it with Camino, Camino notified me of an update to 
that. :)


On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit  Preferences].  Under
Category on the Preferences window, select [Advanced  Software
Installation].  On the Software Installation pane, put a check in the
checkbox for Check for updates.  Then select the radio button for the
frequency you wish.  Note that, even for the Weekly radio button, you
will not necessarily be notified immediately, especially if the update
became available just an hour after your most recent check.


Thus proving the value of reading this group and Rob letting us know. Thanks, 
Rob!

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Re: Reporting broken sites

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Feitag

Ken Rudolph schrieb:

Martin Feitag wrote:

Ken Rudolph schrieb:



These sites aren't exactly malware, being fairly typical of important
web resources. The fact that SM 1x can't handle them, despite their
deficiencies, is all the more reason that SM 2x is necessary. I'm not a
beta kinda user...when IS 2.0 release version actually scheduled for? It
is really needed NOW.

--Ken Rudolph


Sry but afaik there's only a BETA scheduled for now which is targeted
around the 16th of July (so pretty soon, they're primarily waiting for
the Thunderbird team to complete their latest TB beta of v3.0 because
of being dependent on some code in there)
Feel free to grab SM2.0alpha3 to test, it won't touch your existing SM
and import all data to a new profile and is very stable, especially
for an alpha version.
regards

Martin


Even the thought of testing an alpha makes me shudder with angst. It
seems to me that the news-mail part of SM 1x is not nearly so deficient
and outdated as the browser portion. If it is Thunderbird 3 which is
holding up SM 2x then maybe SM 2.0 should be released with a lesser mail
client.

I guess I'm especially despondent because I've been a fanatical
supporter of the suite browser concept since Netscape 0.8 and now I
feel that nothing sufficiently modern is out there that I'm comfortable
using. The SeaMonkey Project is in danger of becoming irrelevant if they
keep dithering and waiting for utter perfection.

--Ken Rudolph


According to Robert Kaiser it wasn't planned and they were pretty 
surprised that the TB team struggled that much / was lacking a proper 
plan or whatever. They are kinda angry because of that and it sounded 
like that there will be taken actions to prevent such thing happening again.

regards

Martin

PS: As said for an alpha it's very stable, don't compare it too much 
with other alphas you might have tested, as the codebase is pretty 
mature. Of course it's not recommended to replace SM1 with SM2 yet in a 
productivity environment but having SM2 parallely doesn't harm and keeps 
up the hope/interest ;-)

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Re: Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3...

2009-07-08 Thread Daniel

JR WG wrote:

Also sending separate Email to you, Ludovic...

RE:  Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3 starting Thursday July 9th 2009

Can you verify that we can test Thunderbird 3 without overwriting or losing our 
existing TBird 2 access or installation, in case we need to revert back to 
TBird 2 for some reason.

We should know that answer beforehand.

Thank you,
 
Joe




What's this doing in the SeaMonkey group??

Sure we're waiting on TB 3.0 to be finalized before SM 2.0 will be 
outed, but really!!


Daniel
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SeaMonkey 1.1.17 mail problems

2009-07-08 Thread »MAP«
I installed SeaMonkey 1.1.17 and my mail worked.  For some reason it 
stopped working correctly.  Now I have a big gray area on the bottom  of 
my screen with a red arrow head on the left side.  I can only open one 
email, then my email locks up.  I have to shut down SeaMonkey, delete 
the process and reopen SeaMonkey.  This goes on and on.  Any ideas?





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Re: Reporting broken sites

2009-07-08 Thread Ken Rudolph

Martin Feitag wrote:
PS: As said for an alpha it's very stable, don't compare it too much 
with other alphas you might have tested, as the codebase is pretty 
mature. Of course it's not recommended to replace SM1 with SM2 yet in a 
productivity environment but having SM2 parallely doesn't harm and keeps 
up the hope/interest ;-)


Hey, I tried to download SM 2.0a3 to test and my virus checker 
quarantined it saying it was a trojan or malware.  I have a feeling 
that it isn't such; but maybe I should wait at least for the beta? 
Incidentally, why does it trip the virus checker?  No Mozilla 
program has ever done that in the past.


--Ken Rudolph
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Re: Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3...

2009-07-08 Thread NoOp
On 07/08/2009 06:31 PM, Daniel wrote:
 JR WG wrote:
 Also sending separate Email to you, Ludovic...
 
 RE:  Testing Thunderbird 3.0b3 starting Thursday July 9th 2009
 
 Can you verify that we can test Thunderbird 3 without overwriting or losing 
 our existing TBird 2 access or installation, in case we need to revert back 
 to TBird 2 for some reason.
 
 We should know that answer beforehand.
 
 Thank you,
  
 Joe
 
 
 What's this doing in the SeaMonkey group??
 
 Sure we're waiting on TB 3.0 to be finalized before SM 2.0 will be 
 outed, but really!!
 
 Daniel

There is consisderable shared code between the two. Plus several SM 2.0
features/functions actually depend upon the TB code, so it's to
everyone's advantage to help testing both TB  SM 2. Note: I'd asked the
same previously some time ago :-)

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Re: Reporting broken sites

2009-07-08 Thread NoOp
On 07/08/2009 04:49 PM, Martin Feitag wrote:
 Ken Rudolph schrieb:

 Even the thought of testing an alpha makes me shudder with angst. It
 seems to me that the news-mail part of SM 1x is not nearly so deficient
 and outdated as the browser portion. If it is Thunderbird 3 which is
 holding up SM 2x then maybe SM 2.0 should be released with a lesser mail
 client.

 I guess I'm especially despondent because I've been a fanatical
 supporter of the suite browser concept since Netscape 0.8 and now I
 feel that nothing sufficiently modern is out there that I'm comfortable
 using. The SeaMonkey Project is in danger of becoming irrelevant if they
 keep dithering and waiting for utter perfection.

 --Ken Rudolph
 
 According to Robert Kaiser it wasn't planned and they were pretty 
 surprised that the TB team struggled that much / was lacking a proper 
 plan or whatever. They are kinda angry because of that and it sounded 
 like that there will be taken actions to prevent such thing happening again.
 regards
 
 Martin
 
 PS: As said for an alpha it's very stable, don't compare it too much 
 with other alphas you might have tested, as the codebase is pretty 
 mature. Of course it's not recommended to replace SM1 with SM2 yet in a 
 productivity environment but having SM2 parallely doesn't harm and keeps 
 up the hope/interest ;-)

I've found, for the most part, that the 2.0b1pre is, IMO, more stable
than 2.0a. With the exception of one or two instances, the 2.0b1pre has
been pretty solid  I use it on 4 production machines. I of course have
1.1.17 also installed as a backup, but so far the only time that I ever
fire up 1.1.x anymore is to test something.

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Re: Url won't work

2009-07-08 Thread David E. Ross
On 7/8/2009 4:06 PM, Barbara Norvell wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
 On 7/8/2009 8:58 AM, Barbara Norvell wrote:
 I use the Humana website and am having a problem with one page - the 
 page to order my refills. You probably can't help me with that because
 you have to be a member and use a password.  Would it help if I went to 
 the page and gave you the source info and page info.  I can get the page 
 to come up on a PC.

 I get the error message:
 This feature is currently unavailable. Please check back with us again 
 shortly.
 You may also contact our Customer Service Representatives at the number 
 listed on the back of your ID Card.


 Barb

 Mac Ibook G4
 768 MG DDR SDRAM
 1.07 GHz PowerPc G4
 I get the same thing (different words) at the AARP Medicate Supplement
 page.  But it only happens on weekends, when they are apparently doing
 updates to the Web site.

 I suggest you indeed call them when it happens.

 I have called them and they claim it is because I have a Mac, but can't
 give me any answers as to why or if they are going to fix it.

They have a Web site that can't be viewed by a Mac user?

When I enrolled in Medicare and started shopping for supplemental
coverage, I discovered that Blue Shield of California (separate from
Blue Cross in this state) had a Web site that could not be viewed
properly with SeaMonkey, not even when I spoofed Firefox.  I called them
up and was told I should be using Internet Explorer.  I told them they
could shove IE and that I would choose some other coverage.

In my earlier message in this thread, I mentioned AARP coverage.  I can
view their Web site just fine as long as it's not during their weekend
maintenance.

You actually talked to Humana?  I called them when I was seeking
Medicare Part D coverage.  I gave up after repeatedly hearing how
important my call was for a half hour.  (See my
http://www.rossde.com/call_important.html.)

-- 
David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/

Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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