Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: summan wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) That still works with one small change: you have to enter the FIRST LETTER. Is that so hard? No, not so hard ... assuming you remember what username you used for that site. Used to be I could go to the American Express login page and SM would pop up a box with the various account logins representing different accounts based on the URL. Now? I have to (as you indicate) start entering a username. But, what if user-1 is=bob... and user-2 is bob2... and user-3 is george... and user-4 is=806fred...? Ah. So, Now I can double-click in the username field and get a list! Oh! Um. How is that simpler than having the list pop up all on its own? Hey, I'm kind of over it since the change was made a couple years ago. At least to the extent that I'm not gonna rail about it on my own. But I'm still pissed off every time I encounter this improvement. Dumb idea, obviously not well-thought out, obviously no user input sought. I when through the same response as you did. Now I find it refreshing to be able to (a) not have all user names pop up at once and (b) select the one I want with a single letter (usually). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Ed Mullen wrote: Used to be I could go to the American Express login page and SM would pop up a box with the various account logins representing different accounts based on the URL. Now? I have to (as you indicate) start entering a username. But, what if user-1 is=bob... and user-2 is bob2... and user-3 is george... and user-4 is=806fred...? Ah. So, Now I can double-click in the username field and get a list! Oh! Um. How is that simpler than having the list pop up all on its own? Alternatively you can just press the down arrow key when the field is focused: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/forms But I'm still pissed off every time I encounter this improvement. And other people were pissed off every time a tab or window in the background that finished loading triggered that modal dialog, stole focus and interrupted you in whatever you were currently intending to do. See, there was a reason for the change. It's debatable which group of people was larger or more important, and the final solution is certainly not perfect. But sometimes you just cannot please everyone. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Apparently your crystal ball is better than mine. I should stop reading posts here and trying to help people help us make sense of what they're saying. Robert Kaiser Iam very sorry Robert,I think i am computer eliterate, problem with Email/blogs.Summan thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
summan wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) That still works with one small change: you have to enter the FIRST LETTER. Is that so hard? Apparently your crystal ball is better than mine. I should stop reading posts here and trying to help people help us make sense of what they're saying. Robert Kaiser Iam very sorry Robert,I think i am computer eliterate, problem with Email/blogs.Summan thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Rick Merrill wrote: summan wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) That still works with one small change: you have to enter the FIRST LETTER. Is that so hard? It only seems to work that way for me if I have more than one password for the same screen - like with my webmail homepage, where I have two accounts. I have to click in the username entry field, and I get a pop-up to select which account I want to log in as (I have two) but I don't actually have to type anything. Just click in the username entry field. Which is great. If I only have one username/password and I navigate to a page requiring them, they come right up. Which is also great. This is using SM 2.0.11 on a Mac. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Rick Merrill wrote: summan wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) That still works with one small change: you have to enter the FIRST LETTER. Is that so hard? No, not so hard ... assuming you remember what username you used for that site. Used to be I could go to the American Express login page and SM would pop up a box with the various account logins representing different accounts based on the URL. Now? I have to (as you indicate) start entering a username. But, what if user-1 is=bob... and user-2 is bob2... and user-3 is george... and user-4 is=806fred...? Ah. So, Now I can double-click in the username field and get a list! Oh! Um. How is that simpler than having the list pop up all on its own? Hey, I'm kind of over it since the change was made a couple years ago. At least to the extent that I'm not gonna rail about it on my own. But I'm still pissed off every time I encounter this improvement. Dumb idea, obviously not well-thought out, obviously no user input sought. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Just before someone gets nervous, do they experience cocoons in their stomach? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server settings on your email account, and in the server settings section, tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] John, of course I would say my idea is better but John Doue's idea of sharing the one set of profile files is not as crazy as it may seem. As long as you only have one version of SM using the profile at any one time, which, I think, is the normal way for SM to operate, I think it should work. There is a switch in SM that, normally, stops you using two Versions of SM at the one time, so having two versions use the one profile at different times seems possible. Worth a try, in any case. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
On 4/29/2010 12:57 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server settings on your email account, and in the server settings section, tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] John, of course I would say my idea is better but John Doue's idea of sharing the one set of profile files is not as crazy as it may seem. As long as you only have one version of SM using the profile at any one time, which, I think, is the normal way for SM to operate, I think it should work. There is a switch in SM that, normally, stops you using two Versions of SM at the one time, so having two versions use the one profile at different times seems possible. Worth a try, in any case. Daniel No, my idea is not crazy at all, it is easy to implement and I have used this solution for as long as I can remember. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Barbara Norvell wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server settings on your email account, and in the server settings section, tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] How can I go back to 1.19. I can't get my email anymore in SM2. I have a thread going, but there hasn't been a solution. Barbara, if you were using Windows I'd have a go at giving you some assistance, but seems as you're using a Mac that's out of my knowledge. Maybe Phillip Jones, Rufus or one of the other Mac users will drop by!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
John Doue wrote: On 4/29/2010 12:57 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server settings on your email account, and in the server settings section, tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] John, of course I would say my idea is better but John Doue's idea of sharing the one set of profile files is not as crazy as it may seem. As long as you only have one version of SM using the profile at any one time, which, I think, is the normal way for SM to operate, I think it should work. There is a switch in SM that, normally, stops you using two Versions of SM at the one time, so having two versions use the one profile at different times seems possible. Worth a try, in any case. Daniel No, my idea is not crazy at all, it is easy to implement and I have used this solution for as long as I can remember. Didn't I type is not as crazy as it may seem?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. Yay! Feels good to know that 2.x does work out well for you after all :) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Daniel wrote: Barbara Norvell wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server settings on your email account, and in the server settings section, tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] How can I go back to 1.19. I can't get my email anymore in SM2. I have a thread going, but there hasn't been a solution. Barbara, if you were using Windows I'd have a go at giving you some assistance, but seems as you're using a Mac that's out of my knowledge. Maybe Phillip Jones, Rufus or one of the other Mac users will drop by!! Daniel Open your Profile for SM2 locate the Mail Folder. next for your inbox option drag a copy to Finder. then change the name to oldmail instead of inbox. Now locate the profile for SM 1.1.9 open Mail Folder and Drag the file you copied to desktop into this folder. close up all the windows. now open SeaMonkey 1.1.9 Go to Mail. Now you will see to items inbox and old mail. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server settings on your email account, and in the server settings section, tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period. HTH Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Doue notw...@yahoo.com wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server settings on your email account, and in the server settings section, tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] -- JohnW-Mpls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com wrote: On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes, this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server, so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other. Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server settings on your email account, and in the server settings section, tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period. HTH Daniel There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both programs. I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile set to leave messages on the server seems better. However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old school where space is precious. [grin] How can I go back to 1.19. I can't get my email anymore in SM2. I have a thread going, but there hasn't been a solution. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. -- JohnW-Mpls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mpls john...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either globally or wrt this site). Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your preferences? Robert Kaiser I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I reinstalled SM1. Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing SM2. + + + + + + + Well, There ya go! I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer) all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it just all works. Whoopee [grin] -- JohnW-Mpls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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In news:8osdncjshackykvwnz2dnuvz_sadn...@mozilla.org, J. Weaver Jr. j...@pospamsucksbox.com wrote: »Q« wrote: Innews:wfqdnbflm-u8yunwnz2dnuvz_qudn...@mozilla.org, Cruz, Jaimespamm...@bite.me wrote: [about not remembering passwords on some sites. I think if the banks are the ones that forced this change on Mozilla, the proper response SHOULD have been to tell them to go pound sand and write their own damned browser and leave the Mozilla team free to write the browser the USERS want... That sounds pretty good in principle, but the banks would have just used browser sniffing to block all Mozilla browsers. Then Mozilla users couldn't use the browser for banking whether they were willing to type the password in or not. ...and then we'd just NOT Firefox/3.6 UA spoof, the way many of us have to do _now_ to get our stupid bank to recognize SM. -JW Wouldn't help in that case. You'd have to spoof IE's U-A string, or at least take out anything mentioning SeaMonkey or Firefox or Mozilla. But it's all moot; I don't see any plans for Mozilla products to start locking themselves out of banking sites that way. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign\ / against html e-mail X http://www.asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 4/26/2010 6:03 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: You got it. Phillip - it's not a bug but a design change/flaw. I went to 2.x for better security but the design of ID/Password handling went overboard. I have a few hundred bookmarks and a few dozen with ID/Password protection. The Wall St Journal is a nice example, one of the publications I go to daily. When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. I use a number of ID/Passwords for different purposes, for different clients, etc. Remembering which one for which site is not practical for a human - that's what I have a computer for, and the 1.x and even old Netscape does it well - user friendly. I think if the banks are the ones that forced this change on Mozilla, the proper response SHOULD have been to tell them to go pound sand and write their own damned browser and leave the Mozilla team free to write the browser the USERS want... I agree. I very much doubt banks care about the way a browser is designed with regards to security and passwords. Any bank IT guy knows the limits of this type of security. It so happens I daily deal with two banks and several credit card sites in the US, two banks in Finland and two banks in France. None of the US sites I deal with have any security beyond the typical user's name and password, with the exception of one of them (Bank of America) which uses a sitekey (whatever that brings in terms of security, I do not know). The two Finnish banks use a totally different approach, where browsers have little to do in terms of security: you are prompted to enter a specific six digit number, from a list printed of on a card where they are numbered and which you keep in your wallet for instance. This card is renewed by the bank on a regular basis. Hard to defeat, unless you are stupid enough to give your card to somebody, or if it is stolen and you do not notice it. ... One of the two French banks I use requires that I click on a virtual keypad to enter the password, the keypad being reshuffled every time I attempt to logon. In other words, the keys never (or as frequently as you win the lotto!) show up with the same display. Hard to defeat too ... This is why I do not believe for a second banks would bother dictate the way Browsers deal with this issue. It has to be a design choice and as any choice, it is a compromise ... Any way, Firefox 3 (and SM 1.1.1x) and Roboforms do work very well together which shows that a convenient and reasonably safe system can be put up for forms and passwords. Unfortunately, Roboform does not work its usual way (there seems to be a work-around but I have not checked it) with SM 2 and the company does not appear to be in a hurry to issue a compatible version. Until then, I use SM1.1.19 and Firefox 3, hoping the situation will evolve and let me use SM2. -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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L. Mark Hall wrote: I am still using seamonkey 1.17 becuase I simply cannot get the 2. seamonkey to start on my computer. I have a brand new OS install (XPSP3), and when I double click on seamonkey, nothing happens. Has this been reported before, and if not, where do I enter the bug track? LMH Mark, this thread is dealing with peoples problems with passwords in SM 2.0 If you are having problems installing SM 2.0, start a new thread, call it something to do with your problem, tell people what you have and what is and what is not happening. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:42:39 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Apparently your crystal ball is better than mine. I should stop reading posts here and trying to help people help us make sense of what they're saying. Robert Kaiser Hang in there, Roberrt. Your posts are typcailly very usefui. You just missed it on this one. JohnW-Mpls And, John, Robert is still waiting for *you* to respond to his post, a couple of posts up:- You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. Doing so might get some answers!! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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JohnW-Mpls schrieb: When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. Now, wait, you're talking here about something else than some other assumed, I think. It sounds to me that 2.c actually remembers your login in the password manager, that's why it fills it in once the page has loaded. The difference you are seeing there is that you're not logged in right from the start - without even needing the password manager to fill in your username and password in those fields (as in both 1.x and 2.x the password manager doesn't do more than remembering those and enter them when you encounter username/password fields). This makes me think that there's some difference in Cookie handling, as probably that website remembers your credentials via some Cookie(s) stored in the browser. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. Now, wait, you're talking here about something else than some other assumed, I think. It sounds to me that 2.c actually remembers your login in the password manager, that's why it fills it in once the page has loaded. The difference you are seeing there is that you're not logged in right from the start - without even needing the password manager to fill in your username and password in those fields (as in both 1.x and 2.x the password manager doesn't do more than remembering those and enter them when you encounter username/password fields). This makes me think that there's some difference in Cookie handling, as probably that website remembers your credentials via some Cookie(s) stored in the browser. Robert Kaiser Add me to the list of users sticking with 1.19. Forms Manager and passwords work just fine for me. Why go to 2.04 when it's a step backwards? If security is the only reason, I'll take my chances. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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For years I have never stored anything in the password manager other than the passwords for my email accounts. All other information, like banks, I enter every time I go to the site. I have always believed this to be the safest approach, though a bit less convenient. My understanding is that the use of the master password causes all of your passwords to be encrypted and are only un-encrypted when the master password has been entered. Then the plain text passwords exist in memory, where they are difficult to get at. Did I miss understand this? Some of what I have read in this thread seemed to imply that use of the MP is a security risk. If banks really wanted better security for their users there are lots of better ways to manage user login. Since these have never been implemented, I am guessing they are most concerned on limiting their workload on their end and preserving their ability to harvest marking material from your computer. LMH Tom Pamin wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. Now, wait, you're talking here about something else than some other assumed, I think. It sounds to me that 2.c actually remembers your login in the password manager, that's why it fills it in once the page has loaded. The difference you are seeing there is that you're not logged in right from the start - without even needing the password manager to fill in your username and password in those fields (as in both 1.x and 2.x the password manager doesn't do more than remembering those and enter them when you encounter username/password fields). This makes me think that there's some difference in Cookie handling, as probably that website remembers your credentials via some Cookie(s) stored in the browser. Robert Kaiser Add me to the list of users sticking with 1.19. Forms Manager and passwords work just fine for me. Why go to 2.04 when it's a step backwards? If security is the only reason, I'll take my chances. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:27:53 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. Now, wait, you're talking here about something else than some other assumed, I think. It sounds to me that 2.c actually remembers your login in the password manager, that's why it fills it in once the page has loaded. The difference you are seeing there is that you're not logged in right from the start - without even needing the password manager to fill in your username and password in those fields (as in both 1.x and 2.x the password manager doesn't do more than remembering those and enter them when you encounter username/password fields). This makes me think that there's some difference in Cookie handling, as probably that website remembers your credentials via some Cookie(s) stored in the browser. Robert Kaiser Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2. Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera, and Safari. That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem. -- JohnW-Mpls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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My understanding as well, and one of the reasons I stick with 1.1.19 on my primary machine - the dialog clearly states so; it does not clearly state so in 2.x.x and so I assume the worst. But I always use a Master and wouldn't use the Manager any other way. It's also why I've never used the Forms Manager - there has never been any clear dialog statement as to if the stored contents of the Forms Manager are encrypted or not. If there was, I think I would have used it...it's a nice feature. Personally, I flat refuse to bank online, and am also every skeptical about shopping online. If I can pick up a phone to make a transaction, I prefer to do that. There's a lot of skimming/hacking/etc. going on around my valley, an I'd prefer to just steer clear of it... -- - Rufus L. Mark Hall wrote: For years I have never stored anything in the password manager other than the passwords for my email accounts. All other information, like banks, I enter every time I go to the site. I have always believed this to be the safest approach, though a bit less convenient. My understanding is that the use of the master password causes all of your passwords to be encrypted and are only un-encrypted when the master password has been entered. Then the plain text passwords exist in memory, where they are difficult to get at. Did I miss understand this? Some of what I have read in this thread seemed to imply that use of the MP is a security risk. If banks really wanted better security for their users there are lots of better ways to manage user login. Since these have never been implemented, I am guessing they are most concerned on limiting their workload on their end and preserving their ability to harvest marking material from your computer. LMH Tom Pamin wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. Now, wait, you're talking here about something else than some other assumed, I think. It sounds to me that 2.c actually remembers your login in the password manager, that's why it fills it in once the page has loaded. The difference you are seeing there is that you're not logged in right from the start - without even needing the password manager to fill in your username and password in those fields (as in both 1.x and 2.x the password manager doesn't do more than remembering those and enter them when you encounter username/password fields). This makes me think that there's some difference in Cookie handling, as probably that website remembers your credentials via some Cookie(s) stored in the browser. Robert Kaiser Add me to the list of users sticking with 1.19. Forms Manager and passwords work just fine for me. Why go to 2.04 when it's a step backwards? If security is the only reason, I'll take my chances. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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User wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. My SeaMonkey (2.04) remembers all of my bank user names and passwords. If you added the two forms extensions and made the Autofill change as described in article for FireFox yes. But if you haven't don't any of this No. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: User wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. My SeaMonkey (2.04) remembers all of my bank user names and passwords. If you added the two forms extensions and made the Autofill change as described in article for FireFox yes. But if you haven't don't any of this No. My 2.0.4 remember almost all of my passwords and usernames. On some sites I have to either click in the username box and at times get a selection and click on it and the password fills in and on other sites I have to put in the first letter or so of my usernames and it clicks up the selection. It has a lot to do with how the sites are created. I use no bookmarklets or extension form managers. -- You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get at the hands of someone else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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JAS wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: User wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. My SeaMonkey (2.04) remembers all of my bank user names and passwords. If you added the two forms extensions and made the Autofill change as described in article for FireFox yes. But if you haven't don't any of this No. My 2.0.4 remember almost all of my passwords and usernames. On some sites I have to either click in the username box and at times get a selection and click on it and the password fills in and on other sites I have to put in the first letter or so of my usernames and it clicks up the selection. It has a lot to do with how the sites are created. I use no bookmarklets or extension form managers. Works the same way under SM 2.0.4 for me, too. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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I am still using seamonkey 1.17 becuase I simply cannot get the 2. seamonkey to start on my computer. I have a brand new OS install (XPSP3), and when I double click on seamonkey, nothing happens. Has this been reported before, and if not, where do I enter the bug track? LMH Rufus wrote: JAS wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: User wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. My SeaMonkey (2.04) remembers all of my bank user names and passwords. If you added the two forms extensions and made the Autofill change as described in article for FireFox yes. But if you haven't don't any of this No. My 2.0.4 remember almost all of my passwords and usernames. On some sites I have to either click in the username box and at times get a selection and click on it and the password fills in and on other sites I have to put in the first letter or so of my usernames and it clicks up the selection. It has a lot to do with how the sites are created. I use no bookmarklets or extension form managers. Works the same way under SM 2.0.4 for me, too. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:53:10 -0400, /Phillip Jones/: That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. Firefox 2.0 already had the new form/password management in place so one would need to go to Firefox 1.5 to have the old behavior. It is not I dislike the new form/password management but it has brought regressions which are not solved even today (this one is affecting me): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354706 -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Phillip Jones schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Apparently your crystal ball is better than mine. I should stop reading posts here and trying to help people help us make sense of what they're saying. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:42:39 +0200, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of 's) Apparently your crystal ball is better than mine. I should stop reading posts here and trying to help people help us make sense of what they're saying. Robert Kaiser Hang in there, Roberrt. Your posts are typcailly very usefui. You just missed it on this one. JohnW-Mpls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. Nailed it. 2.04 is a MAJOR pain in the ass when it comes to going to secure sites. Sometimes I go to sites where both the userid and password is known, but I have to enter BOTH anyway. So what was the point of Seamonkey remembering it other than giving me a convenient place to look it up (Password Manager)?? -- Jaime A. Cruz President Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:53:10 -0400, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of 's) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. You got it. Phillip - it's not a bug but a design change/flaw. I went to 2.x for better security but the design of ID/Password handling went overboard. I have a few hundred bookmarks and a few dozen with ID/Password protection. The Wall St Journal is a nice example, one of the publications I go to daily. When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. I use a number of ID/Passwords for different purposes, for different clients, etc. Remembering which one for which site is not practical for a human - that's what I have a computer for, and the 1.x and even old Netscape does it well - user friendly. -- JohnW-Mpls ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
JohnW-Mpls wrote: You got it. Phillip - it's not a bug but a design change/flaw. I went to 2.x for better security but the design of ID/Password handling went overboard. I have a few hundred bookmarks and a few dozen with ID/Password protection. The Wall St Journal is a nice example, one of the publications I go to daily. When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. I use a number of ID/Passwords for different purposes, for different clients, etc. Remembering which one for which site is not practical for a human - that's what I have a computer for, and the 1.x and even old Netscape does it well - user friendly. I think if the banks are the ones that forced this change on Mozilla, the proper response SHOULD have been to tell them to go pound sand and write their own damned browser and leave the Mozilla team free to write the browser the USERS want... -- Jaime A. Cruz President Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
User wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: User wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. My SeaMonkey (2.04) remembers all of my bank user names and passwords. If you added the two forms extensions and made the Autofill change as described in article for FireFox yes. But if you haven't don't any of this No. I have done neither. I do use the Remove Auto-complete Block in Pass Manager bookmarklet to get SeaMonkey to remember passwords from blocked pages.. What I described in the last item was basically an article put out that basically manually does what the bookmarklet does only on a permanent basis (until you completely download a new version.) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:53:10 -0400, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I am now back to 1.19 If you like having unpatched security vulnerabilities on your computer, have fun with it! Are there any 2.x plans to fix the ID/Password processing? You didn't tell us what the specific bugs are. If the specific problems are filed as bug reports in bugzilla.mozilla.org, chances are that someone might look at them. Without that, nobody sees that there could be any problems. And remember, any report need to be specific and to the point to what the actual problem in an actual case is. It's broken is not helpful as it doesn't tell us what doesn't work and a developer needs to be able reproduce the problem on his setup to work on fixing it. Robert Kaiser That the fellow is mad about is in SM1.X when you saved user Name and Password for say Bank (but others) the username and password would automatically pop up in the form fields (the password would be shown as a series of ••'s) Because The Banking and Insurance and Securities Industries, held a club over Mozilla's heads. That no longer happens. You actually have to type in your username before it will fill in. So you have to memorize every Username you use. That's quite a feat to have to do, especially folks like me that have trouble with spelling. So there will be a lot of folks that will go back to SM1 and FF3.0 just for that. You got it. Phillip - it's not a bug but a design change/flaw. I went to 2.x for better security but the design of ID/Password handling went overboard. I have a few hundred bookmarks and a few dozen with ID/Password protection. The Wall St Journal is a nice example, one of the publications I go to daily. When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. I use a number of ID/Passwords for different purposes, for different clients, etc. Remembering which one for which site is not practical for a human - that's what I have a computer for, and the 1.x and even old Netscape does it well - user friendly. I expect I have a 100 I have to keep up with. I think its over kill. myself. First I use a Master Password in all the browsers I use. And I am her just with my 85 year old mother that would know how to turn on my computers much less operate them. Why, on rare occasion I travel with my laptop. And when I don't travel. I live in a run down neighborhood. when the sun goes down we lock all the windows and doors and close the blinds. if someone breaks in a swipes my computers I don't want the risk of any of my passwords being used. So if I use a Mater Password, why should the banking industry dictate how my browser operates. All those folks fussing about using a Master Password just don't care about possibly getting your credit and identity ruined. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19
Cruz, Jaime wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: You got it. Phillip - it's not a bug but a design change/flaw. I went to 2.x for better security but the design of ID/Password handling went overboard. I have a few hundred bookmarks and a few dozen with ID/Password protection. The Wall St Journal is a nice example, one of the publications I go to daily. When I go to the WSJ site with 1.x, their site comes up with a Hello, John greeting - they already know me as a customer. With 2.x. the WSJ comes up but I am restricted till I click to login and then I need to right-click for 5-15 seconds for 2.x to finally respond with my ID/Password, or I need to enter in the first character of the ID I use for that vendor. I use a number of ID/Passwords for different purposes, for different clients, etc. Remembering which one for which site is not practical for a human - that's what I have a computer for, and the 1.x and even old Netscape does it well - user friendly. I think if the banks are the ones that forced this change on Mozilla, the proper response SHOULD have been to tell them to go pound sand and write their own damned browser and leave the Mozilla team free to write the browser the USERS want... I agree. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
