Re: Dragging from message list to Knujon e-mail: AV
Hello Mary, On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, at 03:25:17 [GMT -0600] (which was 4:25:17 AM in NY, USA) Mary Bull wrote: In connection with the discussion going on about Spam filters: Knujon sent me a Welcome letter in which they suggested that I drag the listing from a Spam message into the Editor window, as a means of attaching reports of several messages into one e-mail report to them. I realize this doesn't address your specific TB related concern. But I wanted to share how I have been sending gobs of spam to Knujon for several months now. First I registered with Knujon and sent them a list of all the email addresses to which I receive spam. Within about a week, they sent me a message with a personal reporting address and an ftp account. During the week that I waited for ftp access, I did send the spam by way of attachment. I'll mention this later. But once I had ftp access, I simply set my view mode to show rfc headers, exported all my verified spam for each day to a folder in eml format, compressed the spam, and finally ftp'd it to knujon. I've reported over 20,000 spam messages in this way. Knujon Registration: http://www.knujon.com/register.html Now for the hard way...before I had ftp access, I tried several methods of sending spam to knujon. The first was a simple filter that would forward any selected messages upon a hotkey combo trigger. Sometimes it worked. But sometimes it did not. This method seemed to choke on some html stockspam. Also, I had more luck when only selecting 5 messages at a time. If successful, the forwards would be queued and the original would be archived in a 'reported' folder. This was too slow for me. Lastly, I could select 22 messages (my preview pane shows 22), right-click, choose 'alternative forward' to create a new message with 22 eml attachments, and send that to Knujon. More could be selected but anything over 5-7 mb was sometimes rejected. My only problem with this method is that I could not get the eml's to show the headers even when I had View set to show them. Knujon doesn't require them but I wanted to show them anyway as I was trying to find a way to report to [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the same time. FTP appears to be the best solution. But even if you don't want to use an ftp client, they offer a Web based upload interface. But I believe you need to be registered to use either. More info on reporting methods is buried within Knujon's CastleCops forum: http://www.castlecops.com/f240-Knujon_General_Discussion.html -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.86.11 beta Windows XP build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello Spike, On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, at 09:33:24 [GMT -0500] (which was 9:33:24 AM in NY, USA) Spike wrote: Export - Edit - Import. That easy :) JS Not easy enough for those who have to do it often. Easy enough for something that should not be easily done! Point taken. But you can't veto every single possible option out of what amounts to irrational fear. The issue is the ability to modify something someone wrote in a way they never intended. One should NOT be able to modify a message without indicating PLAINLY that the original writer's message has been changed. The inability to easily do so is good for the 'sanctity' of the original poster's intentions. One most certainly should be able to modify a message. While all creations indeed do have a specific intent, you cannot impose a limit on the interpretation or organization of those creations. Once again, this argument seems to be viewed by the opposition only within the extreme confines of group postings. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.63 Beta/7 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello Miguel, On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, at 19:18:20 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:18:20 PM in NY, USA) Miguel A. Urech wrote: Not easy enough for those who have to do it often. It should be fairly easy to do with PowerPro. I'll try it later or during the weekend. Allie was kind enough to write a filter for my needs and he gave me some side tips as well how to incorporate PowerPro into the mix. This was some time ago. But I'll dig up a link to the original in the archives if I get the chance. I didn't want to get too specific as my needs for editing incoming messages likely differ from others'. But here goes just so you understand why I'd edit a message at all. I receive many messages per month dealing with content I have to further process. As I do process this content, I like to edit the subject line (numbering and date of completion) for organizational purposes. Occasionally, I also have to refer to the originals. I can do this quickly after organizing the original messages sequentially and by date. The way I accomplish this admittedly small yet important task is to drag the original into the Outbox, double-click it, edit the subject note the original date of receipt, save it, and finally drag it back into its proper folder. It's not a particular difficult process and works fine. But it is a nuisance when dealing with multiples. Other than that, on occasion, I may take a personal message and rename the subject in the same manner. In fact, I have done this with the TB lists before to save a copy of someone's RegEx template idea for later reference. Of course I'd leave the original intact within one of the TB folders here in case I needed to reply or quote it some time in the future. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.63 Beta/7 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello Nick, On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, at 18:32:14 [GMT +] (which was 1:32:14 PM in NY, USA) Nick Dutton wrote: Surely an answer (if there is to be one) is to add, rather than modify? If each stored message was given _extra_ fields: Subject(modified) and Body(modified), these could then be assigned to the default view by those who want them. These fields by default would only be pointers to the original fields unless modified via macros or manual edit. Excellent point. I'm not sure if it would cover others' needs though. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.63 Beta/7 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A way to modify _incoming_ mail
Hello Thomas, On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, at 09:55:49 [GMT +0700] (which was 9:55:49 PM in NY, USA) Thomas Fernandez wrote: Export - Edit - Import. That easy :) Not easy enough for those who have to do it often. I know this, but it is an old circular discussion Pit was referring to: Should it be possible to edit incoming messages from within TB? Pit (and others) think it shouldn't, I (and others) think it should be possible. I just wanted to keep the idea alive, as I believe it would be a nice feature (one I would use, as opposed to a scheduler g). The idea is very much alive here. I am still happy with TB as is but fully expect this feature to be added at some point. To me, the whole essence of TB cries for this type of manipulative power to be given to mail power users. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.63 Beta/7 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
Hello DG, On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, at 11:33:26 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:33:26 AM in NY, USA) DG Raftery Sr. wrote: Again, and I'm sure this subject will hit the dead topic instruction soon, I would not consider Re: being utilized in a business correspondence nor memo as Regarding. My reasoning? re·gard·ing, v. tr. To take into account; consider. Regarding is not a verb; it's a preposition. As a preposition, regarding means in relation to or referencing. As you see, the term 'regarding' and 'referencing' are synonymous. I'm not arguing with you but rather proving you indirectly correct :) However, as Dierk alluded to 'Re' is a preposition of it's own. IOW, it is not an abbreviation--it stands alone. I think many people confuse it for an abbreviation simply because many people confuse uses of the colon. The colon in this case is merely a break line of sorts between the preposition and the phrase, sentence, or term following it. It just makes the whole line more complete. Why did I bother writing this at all? Just to say that I think you are all very much correct. Even Thomas who is closest to being mistaken. While 'Re:' is certainly not an abbreviation for the word 'reply', Thomas's idea of 'in reply to' certainly does have direct correlation to 'in reference to' which correlates to 'in regards to' which is linked to 're'. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where to find Virus protection plugins
Hello Daniel, On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, at 22:52:11 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:52:11 PM in NY, USA) Daniel Dekany wrote: I don't understand why people who uses on-access scanner (and you do, if I don't misunderstand you) want integrate Virus protection with TB!, but perhaps I miss something. I can't answer for Chris but perhaps he and I share some of these reasons... 1. Just because an anti-virus application has on-access capability does not necessarily mean that they use it as such; one may be able to configure it for on demand only scanning such as I do with Panda. IMO, on access scanning is a huge waste of resources and stability. 2. Many A/V applications disallow (or are administered to disallow) any user intervention when dealing with suspicious files. The majority of the A/V's in this class that I have seen just clean or delete the suspect file without much warning. I'm not comfortable with this. I like to verify that the file is indeed infected before any action is taken. 3. Given the above, I used TB's AVG plug-in as a lazy filter during the heavy Klez attachment days. 4. A second opinion is a good thing. And if you don't open attachments, then your machine can't caught viruses with TB! Reading mails is safe. (E-mail agents using MS HTML rendering engine is a different story... with those agents, reading an email can active virus, since the MS HTML stuff is too powerful and may contains bugs that virus can exploit. I remember the iframe thing...) I think most TB users are of a caliber to whom the safe never open attachments rule is a bit extreme. I agree with you in your feeling of security with TB. However, it is only a matter of time until someone again targets TB users just to say they could do so. I'd like to be prepared with a little extra backup when that day comes. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Splash Screen?
Hello Anne, On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, at 03:42:27 [GMT +0100] (which was 10:42:27 PM in NY, USA) Anne wrote: JS For a goof, try this: Just for fun I tried creating another batch file which runs the original batch file which has the /nologo parameter. I programmed the hotkey to run the second batch file, and Lo! it ran and launched TB *without* the logo. However, I did get a huge black dos window in the middle of my screen which actually lasted longer than TB splash screen and didn't auto-close! g Actually, the point of my message was to scrap the batch file idea entirely. My method works with shortcuts. I think if you tried my suggestion mid:14814493600.20021023123620;rosedreamdesign.com and mid:1513564224.20021021234450;rosedreamdesign.com that it would work per your original request. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Splash Screen?
Hello Adam, On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, at 17:45:12 [GMT -0230] (which was 4:15:12 PM in NY, USA) Adam wrote: JA cd\progra~1\ JA then type JA dir JA and see what it tells you The Bat! folder is. Mine shows as JA thebat~1... Will that be the same in Windows XP? I can't duplicate the above in XP. For XP, you can try the same method via command prompt. You can get to the prompt by typing command (without quotes) in the Run dialogue. Start/Run/type command/Click OK -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending HTML with The Bat!
Hello Tim, On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, at 10:13:32 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:13:32 AM in NY, USA) Tim Musson wrote: Could you keep this on the List? I don't want to send HTML mail, but would like to know how if I *need* to in the future. No way, man. It's mine...j/k Personally, I have no problem with that. It's just kind of lengthy for TBDUL. I'll make it downloadable / readable from http://www.rosedreamdesign.com/TBFAQ/TB_HTML.txt It should be said that I adapted and revised this method from Marck's FAQ mention of Oleg Zalyalov's original solution. If anyone has any amendments or fixes to the method, I'd appreciate it if they'd let me know so I can tighten it up a bit. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Splash Screen?
Hello Anne, On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, at 04:28:20 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:28:20 PM in NY, USA) Anne wrote: Is there a way of getting round this - apart from not using the mail key which I won't not do - does anyone know? Create a shortcut to the shortcut with the NOLOGO switch? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding TB! Internet Presence Support
Hello Don, On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, at 20:41:24 [GMT -0400] (which was 8:41:24 PM in NY, USA) Don Zeigler wrote: People seem to like the community feel of a message board. Not to mention that a board offers yet more pages for indexing by search engines, increasing a program's visibility. Good enough for me. True about the indexing. I hadn't thought of that. Though they also index the archives. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Antivirus Programs.
Hello Chris, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, at 15:19:58 [GMT -0700] (which was 6:19:58 PM in NY, USA) Chris Weaven wrote: Hi all, As the subject suggests, I'm trying to find out what the preferred anti-virus program is out there. I use two -- Panda AntiVirus Platinum and AVG. I have used and trusted Panda for a while now but picked up AVG for it's integration with TB via plug-in as someone already mentioned. After a while AVG has gained my respect and now is also used as a double check. However, I let neither run on it's own. The only automatic scanning done here is by AVG on incoming email. Anything else I check manually. I've only ever been burned by one virus / trojan and that was CodeRed. For that type of threat, these days I use Sygate Personal Firewall. Can people let me know what they use and the reason they use it. All the above I use for their configurability and simple ability to drop down to manual mode. If I were using a shared computer I would consider other more automatic configurations if not other products entirely. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, at 02:15:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 9:15:28 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: JS IOW, if you leave it alone, TB never moves the message at all. JS But if you actively configure it to move the message to the JS inbox, then it actually does? Manually invoked filters that check against rules will move a message from a folder to the Inbox. So that's one circumstance under which a No move filter does move. So, yes, exceptions can be induced. Actually, I meant _manually re-configured_ but I think you may have answered the question anyway. More importantly though, I've found that this oddity / feature is kind of a bonus when considering my original intent which was basically to be made more aware of threads I'm interested in. I have a safe copy with the same formatting intended sent to the proper folder and a hey look at me copy in the Inbox. Clutter? Not at all since I now know I can delete the ones in the Inbox at will and refer to the entire thread in the proper folder when necessary. Granted, I could set a highlight, flag, and copy filter instead to achieve the same. But it's a nice little discovery just the same. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Miguel, On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, at 19:16:49 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:16:49 PM in NY, USA) Miguel A. Urech wrote: OK, I found what it was. What I did originally was neglect to set the folder to Inbox...instead it was set to TBDUL. So each time I used the hotkey combo on any thread already here, the thread would move to TBDUL plus the other actions I had set. I assumed that the same would occur when the move to folder was set correctly as Inbox, but I was mistaken. Why, I don't understand, but as long as the move to folder is the Inbox, they don't move at all regardless of what folder you're working in. Hope I didn't confuse anyone. Thanks for keeping me in check Marck. Like you, I don't understand why they are not moved. That is what I find odd. A bug perhaps? A _useful_ bug? I didn't want to mention this until I had some time to look at it more closely but... While the use of my specified HotKey combo no longer moves the selected messages (as long as the Move to...folder is set to Inbox, that is) the filter itself _is_ _copying_ incoming messages back to the Inbox eventhough A) The Watch filter is set to continue processing other filters and B) My TBDUL filter is still active and correctly set to move applicable messages to the TBDUL folder and C) My Watch filter resides above the TBDUL filter. I don't get it. If anything were to go wrong, I'd expect incoming messages to be moved to the inbox rather than copied there. I suspect that it has something to do with the fact that one of my 'Actions' is to park the message...if you have a rule set to move a message that's parked, it copies it. But I do not understand why the move command is ignored unless it is parked. More when I get time. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, at 00:06:08 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:06:08 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MAU Like you, I don't understand why they are not moved. That is MAU what I find odd. A bug perhaps? A _useful_ bug? No, an intended feature. It has always been so and designed to be so, that when the source and destination folders of a filter are the same then a message is not moved. Assuming you mean in practice rather than just in theory, is it conceivable that if you _initially_ have a filter set to move messages to another folder and _then_ change it to move to the inbox that said intended feature is broken? IOW, if you leave it alone, TB never moves the message at all. But if you actively configure it to move the message to the inbox, then it actually does? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 04:00:02 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:00:02 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: You are. The watch filter works on the Inbox. It highlights any mail you are currently watching, moving it to the Inbox (i.e. not moving it at all). The mail is then filtered to ... wherever it wants to be by the subsequent filters. This is acceptable provided that one _only_ wants to have this filter replied on future incoming mail. IOW, if you wanted to set a hotkey to apply this filter to already 'in-house' threads / messages, they'd be moved back to the inbox from the folder you were browsing. In this case, only a re-filter would do...that is, unless you were to have that filter park messages as part of the action set. BTW, Marck. I have a need for a certain filter that's driving me batty :) Can I write you direct to see if I'm on the right track? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 12:43:21 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:43:21 AM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: JS ... if you wanted to set a hotkey to apply this filter to JS already 'in-house' threads / messages, they'd be moved back to JS the inbox from the folder you were browsing. Not necessarily. I just added Ctrl-Alt-W as the hotkey for the filter and left the Check the selected message against this rule unchecked. It works perfectly, applying the watched thread colour but leaving the message in place. That's odd. Mine moved them. I'll test again in a bit. I must have left something out. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 08:09:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 8:09:46 AM in NY, USA) James Senick wrote: Not necessarily. I just added Ctrl-Alt-W as the hotkey for the filter and left the Check the selected message against this rule unchecked. It works perfectly, applying the watched thread colour but leaving the message in place. That's odd. Mine moved them. I'll test again in a bit. I must have left something out. OK, I found what it was. What I did originally was neglect to set the folder to Inbox...instead it was set to TBDUL. So each time I used the hotkey combo on any thread already here, the thread would move to TBDUL plus the other actions I had set. I assumed that the same would occur when the move to folder was set correctly as Inbox, but I was mistaken. Why, I don't understand, but as long as the move to folder is the Inbox, they don't move at all regardless of what folder you're working in. Hope I didn't confuse anyone. Thanks for keeping me in check Marck. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Archiving, was: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Doug, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 10:48:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 5:48:28 AM in NY, USA) Doug Weller wrote: What don't you like about Mailbag Assistant? Has anyone tried Forkeeps? Reply to this message has been sent directly to you and to TBOT as well as this thread has been declared Dead. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Jonathan, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 14:03:20 [GMT -0500] (which was 3:03:20 PM in NY, USA) Jonathan Angliss wrote: On Monday, September 30, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none [SNIP] Sorry, I'm lost. What do I do with this? Where do I put it? Highlight from where it says BeginFilter to EndFilter (inclusive), copy (CTRL C), then go to your filters dialog box, and press CTRL V. You should notice a new filter magically appear ;) Don't forget to alter the paths listed to match your mail folder structure and the path to the text editor of your choice. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Watch Threads
Hello Batters, New wish list item for consideration...or is it necessary? I really miss an old Watch Thread feature that I think I came across first in XNews. For lists, I'd really like to be able to highlight incoming messages of a thread interesting or important to me. Perhaps some would like the option to have a sound alert or pop-up notification when a new message to a 'watched' thread was received. I'd be happy with just a predefined color group, highlighting those messages. A filter won't do since one would have to create conceivably hundreds over the course of time. But perhaps just a macro with assigned hotkey to toggle a thread's being 'watched' would do if not for the lazily preferred context menu option? Is this worth pursuing to anyone else? Is such a thing possible with TB macros and templates? Currently, I couldn't write a TB macro or template if my life depended on it. But I can borrow and alter them with the best of them. g -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Dierk, On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 19:23:27 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:23:27 PM in NY, USA) Dierk Haasis wrote: Hello James! On Sunday, September 29, 2002 at 6:52:34 PM you wrote: Is this worth pursuing to anyone else? There is a difference in handling e-mail and news - XNews and Agent are both (AFAIK) off-line newsreaders. E-mails are usually transferred from the server to your machine to do the necessary work on them. With news you only load down those messages you are interested in; the Watch Thread feature therefore automates this for you. I understand the differences between the applications. However, that is not the point nor does it prohibit mail clients from achieving the same regardless of how messages are transferred or stored. Quick example...since I am involved in this thread, I'd like every future reply to it or any threads spawned from it to be highlighted automatically. The purpose is to get right to where I left off when I return later and having this thread stand out amongst the rest. Important to note, such a feature should be able to toggle highlighting off for the thread as a whole..none of this one message at a time nonsense. Perhaps I was incorrect in my terminology, but I believe the 'Watch Thread' command I was referring to simply highlighted future additions to the thread...not singling them out for download against the rest. But I was mistaken also about XNews. In XNews, I used 'scoring' to achieve similar organization. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Scott, On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 12:31:57 [GMT -0500] (which was 1:31:57 PM in NY, USA) Scott McNay wrote: Methinks you're missing the point. Mark Thread means you're interested in the subject and want it highlighted or something so that you can read it first, before any other email. I agree with James, it might be interesting. Correct. I want to mark a thread or topic as watched or important so that every response to that thread takes visual precedence over others. James, just create a rule that applies a color. It shouldn't take tooo long to create a rule, if you're accustomed to doing it. If you're referring to a filter...I don't want to move the message nor create hundreds of filters over time regardless of how easy it is. Plus any filter solution (at least any I have thought of) would leave out the important need to un-watch an entire thread. If I misunderstood, please let me know. And before anyone suggests it, marking a thread after the fact does not cut it. To be useful, it would have to mark _future_ replies to the thread as the come in. Not to drag this out too much...but I would have been more than happy with just parking a whole thread provided that every **future reply to that thread were automatically parked** without intervention. Currently, I repeatedly park threads I am watching each time I come across them. I unpark the thread when I lose interest or the thread dies. IOW, I am using the park thread feature as a glorified flag. Hopefully that clarifies my purpose a bit. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello pmf, On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 15:34:49 [GMT -0400] (which was 3:34:49 PM in NY, USA) pmf wrote: J New wish list item for consideration...or is it necessary? I J really miss an old Watch Thread feature that I think I came J across first in XNews. The Watch Thread feature has been in news readers long pre-dating XNews. To clarify, I said I came across it first, not that XNews featured it first. I too have used a good many newsreaders in the past. While I don't consider it a newsreader per se, it may have been OE in which I first saw the watch thread option. It could have been Agent or Gravity. The reason I mentioned XNews at all was to give an example of what I was after. Had I known that people would think I didn't know the difference between a newsreader and a mail client, I wouldn't have did so. My fault...I mistakenly used the term Watch Thread which at least Agent uses to selectively download future messages that belong to a thread of interest. Was it Netscape Messenger that had a similar scoring function for mail threads? It's been expressed many times on the list that people essentially want to bring the functionality of news readers to mailing lists. Outwardly, the newsgroups and mailing lists are very similar, but the guts of how news and email work are very different, making it not a trivial task to add some of a news readers functionality to a mailer. More importantly, the purpose of newsgroups and mail lists are similar. Seeing the response to the recent wish list item that I supported, I gathered that a good many TB users use lists often. As such, I expected to see some support for this particular suggestion. As you mention in another message, what you're thinking of is scoring, not watching. Thanks for correcting me. But remember, the scoring should be proactive. A simple highlighting or flagging would be doable if TB could keep a setting for thread - for example, a mark thread flagged option would flag incoming as well existing messages in the thread. That'd be perfect. But I think the actual procedure would have to be internal since TB offers the ability to select by what header people prefer their messages to be threaded if at all. However, I've seen news readers - which are designed to handle such processing - have trouble with consistently applying thread settings to new messages in a thread, so I'd guess its not as easy to do as it might seem. The only 'reader' I recall encountering such a problem was OE...enough said. But is this suggestion good enough to add to the Wish list in your opinion? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Watch Threads
Hello Marck, On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, at 23:51:23 [GMT +0100] (which was 6:51:23 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Every time a new thread comes up that I want to watch, I just add the subject as an alternative search. Works a treat! Every so often I tidy the filter up and remove old subjects from it. Oh my! I feel dumb. I completely forgot about the alternative sets. Thanks Marck. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Dierk, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 09:35:40 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:35:40 AM in NY, USA) Dierk Haasis wrote: Wrong. I do change occasionally the subject line *in conversation*. That is, I assign a meaningful/changed subject line to a reply. I am very particular when it comes to vital communication and *don't want anybody to change my mails* (this is for all of you that don't think international Copyright doesn't hold if authors don't expressly forbid to do anything). Ah yes, Copyright law...the great obstacle to progress. I won't get into that too much because I respect your intelligence and contribution to the Internet Community at large. And I realize I won't change your mind no matter how persuasive my argument. The bottom line from my end is that I have absolutely no intention of taking credit away from anyone, I simply want to organize their shared information in a way that better suits the way I work...keyword being work. More often than that, I get replies to messages from me about one topic but containing an entirely new topic. With input from many different sources at different times, date and time is essential to keep the original flow of the topic. Folders can only carry you so far. That shows you why at least some RFCs aren't that bad. And it shows that the list rules do make more sense than just cater to the egos of the moderators. Indeed. But your response shows how much of the point you are missing. I'm not concerned with lists in this topic but rather ongoing business discussions. I realize this is going to make you and others upset but it needs to be said. The purpose of this wish is for business purposes or at least things vital to someone's purpose with email. Many people wishing to use TB for business came from Outlook. And of course they are used to some of the more practical features of Outlook...many of those that TB doesn't have. And while those rushing to the aid of TB can claim every high-brow artistic excuse they can muster, the fact remains that TB is missing many business type features. As such, it is very difficult to train (or even consider training) an office to do the things they need to do with TB that they did so easily with Outlook. This wish is just one of those features and admittedly not a major one. [bracing for flames] Outlook did have the option of marking any editing done by the recipient. I used this feature often. And if I am not mistaken, it also retained the original subject header but simply gave it some type of alias for organizational purposes. I may be mistaken but I seem to recall this as an annoyance because if I replied to a message who'd subject I edited (I filtered my replies to the same folders) I'd see my own message with the original subject soon thereafter. If any program has the ability to keep track of all edits, it's TB. It could insert edited by JTS in the message body, it could list the original subject and message id. There's simply no reason not to have this feature available. And I'd hate to see it's consideration blocked because someone fears the possibility of their email message being altered. I have used this method in the past minus the import part as I was just archiving. But good call just the same. What you actually should do - for archiving purposes - is to export the mails completely into a text file, make some clearly distinguishable annotations and save them. Within TB! you use the Memo feature which can help a lot. I do Dierk. And if I could only run a second copy of TB, I could import these back to that copy at will for searching. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Dierk, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 12:21:50 [GMT +0200] (which was 6:21:50 AM in NY, USA) Dierk Haasis wrote: What I cannot do is take your comments, adjust them as I like (even for private use!) and then either say it is mine or it is yours. What I can do, is write something that is clearly identified as a comment unto it (regardless if it is a letter in paper or an e-mail). Please? This is another issue entirely but you are mistaken. I'm surprised not to hear the 'evils' of redirecting messages..after all they should never be sent to anyone without the express written consent of the author, right? Please? And I again remind us of the Memo function which does exactly that and can be used in filtering for, i.e., archival purposes. Nice feature that appears to have been thrown in as an afterthought and never polishedgood intention, bad implementation. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Jan, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 09:46:13 [GMT -0400] (which was 9:46:13 AM in NY, USA) Jan Rifkinson wrote: Without commenting on the merits of your position one way or the other, it strikes me that you may be coming to this question from a very different POV that some of the others commenting on this thread. As a professional writer [if memory serves me] you are, have a right to be should be, very concerned with copyright ownership issues. And a good one at that with a refreshing style. But no matter which angle you enter this fray from, copyright doesn't apply here. If you're talking about discussion lists, they are public; if you're talking about business e-mails, it's really only important that thoughts are organized and solutions are discovered. If you're concerned about people editing your email messages (and I have to giggle here) put a copyright statement on them and save your originals. If you're really, really concerned with copyright, it may help to dig into it some more and convince yourself that copyright is not assumed nor does the placement of a statement or symbol protect your words from 'theft' or alteration. Anyone publishing official works or quoting would/should identify them as such whether in conversation or in writing. But the subject line may not be inviolate as it is may not be considered content. Indeed. And while I feel Dierk's and others' feelings against this are just, the idea of assumed copyright on a subject header is laughable. BTW, anyone who wants to change the subject of this post for archival purposes can do so AFAIC or annotate it to their heart's content. I have a feeling Marck will change the subject any minute now. g -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Jan, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 10:15:54 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:15:54 AM in NY, USA) Jan Rifkinson wrote: JS [...] There's simply no reason not to JS have this feature available. [/...] Sure there is. This is a different program the feature[s] you are talking about can be handled differently in TB!. Ok, badly stated...there is no reason I see that this feature shouldn't be considered. Better? If your group can't be retrained, must we conclude that The Bat! has to be changed to meet their requirements? Absolutely! That's what I am here for...and many others I am sure. Call it lobbying for your interests to be considered. I don't think so. Really? I don't buy that. I've seen you raise a good many argument for and against features based upon what you feel would serve email users better. After all, these requirements seemed to be based on their use of an email client that is apparently inferior unsatisfactory [to them] otherwise there wouldn't be any interest in switching to TB! in the first place. Have you ever come across an office or department you know would benefit from switching to TB only to hold that suggestion because of the learning curve involved. That's badly said too. TB doesn't have a steep learning curve. Rather, more popular software has a 'dumbing' effect. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing incoming mail (was: Wish list item)
Hello Jan, On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, at 11:19:22 [GMT -0400] (which was 11:19:22 AM in NY, USA) Jan Rifkinson wrote: A valid point but I think lobbying for something that already exists in a different form sort of belongs in the dept. of redundancy dept. Redundancy? Redundancy? I'm starting to sway a bit here but not fully. Two different approaches to accomplish the same task is not necessarily a bad thing. I am trying as hard as I can to convince others that this is a useful feature that could be made easier if enough people found the 'need' for it. My point is that if a suggested feature can't be accomplished in a given program, it should be placed on the wish list weighed against the other suggested features. But if, as in this case, I believe the program can already handle the stated need, then I don't think that the program should be dumbed down to facilitate its use. If people have workaround in place to achieve such a thing then it only makes sense to consider it for hard coding. What was referring to as far as 'dumbing' is that the competing products in question make it impossible for one to look past a toggle button for options. That said, Outlook's implementation of the subject editing feature is not one of these features. It can be done but it's not 'easily' found. BTW, it wasn't handled very well either. But power users could certainly find it and administrators could easily set it into motion. Dumbed down, like television network fare in the U.S. is a product that tries to please the lowest common denominator. I just don't buy this approach. No, dumbed down is more of a containment thing...only let the people see what we want them to see...then that becomes their limited environment for life. In addition, I think there are other programs, Mailbag Assistant or Zoot for instance, that are far more able to categorize, archive gather emails on a specific subject than TB! Tried them both...and the worst excuse for an archival program I've ever seen...Express Archiver. What I'd like to use is MHonArc but have yet to find the time to put some work into it. TB! is always going to be a niche product -- hopefully a big enough niche to reward its developers -- and there is no reason, IMO, to turn it into something that its not. And perhaps it is my responsibility to set up what is needed to accomplish such tasks with TB more easily. My client has one copy of TB running per my suggestion. I'd really like the whole place to be using it. That's another topic I suppose. Let's bag it before they tag us. As long as I have the last word. I really want this feature and even more the ability to combine threads. Take care. Peace. Just don't diss our Country's TV anymore as some of us like our trash. g -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Jim, I added this to the list several months ago with the added wish that threads also be configurable i.e. dragging a message from one thread to another and having it inherit it's new thread's subject. I don't think anyone understood what I was talking about. On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 13:23:50 [GMT +0100] (which was 8:23:50 AM in NY, USA) Jim Lanyon wrote: Hello Batters, How many Emails does one receive where the subject line content is: 1. Less than clear 2. Does not fully relate to the message content 3. Is the 3rd or 4th reiteration of replies There was a facility in Outlook 2000 where the subject line could be amended. This was a useful, especially if one receives faxes from companies like Efax, where the subject line says 2 page(s) eFax from 02075874158 . it also allows you to make subject line content relevant to your purpose. Worthy of consideration for inclusion in the nexr release? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello brunson, Yes, that's a nifty workaround but certainly not a solution...and Allie already suggested this. Nevertheless, you forgot to mention that during this process, you have to save the edited message which, unfortunately, adjusts the date. But hey, I could just adjust my clock settings every time I do this ... VBG Seriously, if it is a useful feature (I feel so) there should be an added feature to cover it. Unfortunately, TB is built around too many workarounds as it is. On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 10:18:27 [GMT -0700] (which was 1:18:27 PM in NY, USA) brunson wrote: s bye... mark. You can simply drag the Email into the outbox folder-Then double click on it and it will open to allow you to EDIT any portion of the message_ Subject line and or Body. Close and then drag back into your inbox Folder.. BOB -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Gerard, On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 23:24:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 5:24:03 PM in NY, USA) Gerard wrote: Hi James, It amazes me that someone who wants to edit an received email is worried about the time and date. It amazes me why many don't understand the need for it. If I had to guess, I'd have to say that many who don't see the need to edit the subject lines either don't carry on discussions or they simply do not use email for anything vital. I receive a good deal of email much of which covers the same topics yet have various subject lines. More often than that, I get replies to messages from me about one topic but containing an entirely new topic. With input from many different sources at different times, date and time is essential to keep the original flow of the topic. Folders can only carry you so far. As a last resort you could try export-edit-import. I have used this method in the past minus the import part as I was just archiving. But good call just the same. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Allie, On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 18:35:16 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:35:16 PM in NY, USA) Allie C Martin wrote: This sounds so good that I think I'll go set this up now. :) And I'll save this message for when and if a moving threads option is ever available. If I had it, this is what I'd do: I'd use your shortcut and filter to edit the subject of the first message in this thread. Then after importing it back to my TBDUL folder, I'd drag the rest of the messages in this thread into a new one created by that exported/altered/imported message that started it all off. Except this time, the whole thread will be entitled Editable Subject instead of Wish List Item. Sure would be nice to just type over the subject though :) -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Hello ETM, On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, at 13:49:09 [GMT -0400] (which was 1:49:09 PM in NY, USA) ETM wrote: Limitations Plugin doesn't certify messages due to a nature of the anti-virus plugin interface of The Bat!. The plugin is called only on message attachments. Outgoing messages are scanned since a version 1.61 of The Bat! I think AVG normally could insert a brief message that certifies that your message has been scanned before it was sent. The plug-in will not allow it to do this. Further, I think they may be explaining this badly as I believe for AVG to be able to do this, it would have to be a plug-in to TB rather than just a scanning plug-in. But if you know they're being scanned before leaving your pc, couldn't one certify them one's self? Known issues Embedded messages are not currently scanned. According to producers of The Bat!, this problem should be fixed in the version 1.62 of The Bat! As Leif mentions, these are nested messages. And I believe nested messages are actually scanned (after all they are attachments themselves). But what do not get scanned are the the attachments of those nested messages. So, better stated (assuming I am correct, of course) the AVG plug-in cannot read below the first level of attachments. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG/TB limitations and issues
Hello ETM, On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, at 17:17:31 [GMT -0400] (which was 5:17:31 PM in NY, USA) ETM wrote: My current AV is notifying me when it receives Klez, etc., usually cleaning and restoring mail. Do I understand correctly that AVG does not have that capability? It will catch them. It's caught every one here so far and I get a lot of them sent my way...except those that are attached to nested messages. Klez uses this method as well and it also happens simply as a result of using your email address to mail somehwhere that bounces 'your' message back to you. Nasty little thing that Klez is. I am not quick to open unknown items but I also don't want to jump from what appears to be protective to perhaps a not-so-protective AV program, or do I totally misunderstand what they are saying? I use two -- Panda and AVG. I use AVG only because of Klez and the fact that Panda can't scan TB messages for some reason. I could get by without it for sure. But it's nice to have those hundreds and hundreds of Klez messages filtered for me automatically. Plus, AVG is the only other scanner besides Panda that I have used that doesn't miss something. I am not referring to this nested message business. Rather, I mean if I put 50 collected viruses in a folder and scan them with several AV apps, only AVG and Panda have caught them all. Those others that people seem so enamored with miss things left and right here. Elaine -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Shut down on Periodical Check
Hello Peter, On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, at 17:37:52 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:37:52 AM in NY, USA) Peter Palmreuther wrote: There's _no_ such limit in RFC-(2)822 that is near 150+ characters, the only limit given is: 999 characters, and a recommendation to have lines no longer than 78 or 80 characters (means: folding long header lines). The actual message in question contains more than 150 email addresses...not just characters. So the number of characters is well above 999. But this may be beside the point. I can't imagine why this 'long line' would make TB! crash, but if James could 'conserve' this mail in it's original state I'd be interested in inspecting it and it's repercussions on The Bat! by myself. I can't either and it intrigues the heck out of me. I have conserved the message but cannot figure out how I could send an exact copy to anyone else including myself. Since I can't receive it, I can't do much else but forward it via the dispatcher to the best of my knowledge. All I can really add is that from the list of email addresses provided, I am sure it's spam. So it could be possible that something within the actual body of the message causes TB to shut down. But without being able to receive it, I cannot say for sure. That is the part that intrigues me--something that can take TB down. The question arises; what else could it do? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Shut down on Periodical Check
Hello Thomas, On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, at 23:57:51 [GMT +0700] (which was 12:57:51 PM in NY, USA) Thomas F. wrote: JS That is the part that intrigues me--something that JS can take TB down. The question arises; what else could it do? This is a very good question. Do you have any other access to the mail server, so that you can retrieve the message another way? Ritlabs certainly need to investigate here IMHO. No, there is no other way that I know of right now. I tried to gain FTP access from our hosting service and they will not allow it. In fact, they recommended that I open the message from the Web mail alternative. Bad suggestion IMO. I guess that's why I'm not in tech support. ;) -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Shut down on Periodical Check
Hello Julian, On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, at 21:11:10 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:11:10 PM in NY, USA) Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: I think that Popcorn might do this - it works only on messages on the server without downloading. It is no longer available from the developers, but if you search for Popcorn you should be able to find it. If not, let me know, and I will email you a copy. It is a 108K zip file, and about 300K unzipped. It has a small .ini file for configuration - no registry settings. Thanks Julian. Cool little program. I really thought this was going to workBut the message crashed Popcorn too :( Unfortunately, Popcorn will not allow me to redirect that message without first downloading it...which of course, crashes it. Julian -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to temporarly stop Periodecally check
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Shahar, On Fri, 01 Mar 2002, at 18:46:33 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:46:33 AM in NY, USA) Shahar wrote: Shahar I have few accounts and I check for new mail every X minutes. Shahar Is there a way to temporarly stop Periodecally check for all the Shahar accounts without turn off TB! ? I too am interested in a similar function. I could swear it used to exist in TB and was called Pause Mail Check or something to that effect. Anyway, I believe your needs have been misunderstood. I think you want a button or menu command to immediately pause check / send operations until you re-enable it by toggling the same button or menu item. I often take the time to write email messages when doing massive uploads or downloads via FTP. As luck has it, that is the time when an associate decides to send me a 10 megabyte attachment via email. It would be nice to toggle off auto checking when doing these things. I don't want to shut down TB though because I am writing a message during this time. And of course, I don't want to kill my connection because another application is using it. - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com I think nighttime is dark so you can imagine your fears with less distraction. - --Calvin The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIOwsbUD0qHLxr2DAQHZSwP/TPgCloFIfO0/VfbHfxSKBzaWA980NSm+ d+wIOxE1nrgMFe6ZRKkzE1NkNYlVTpKucna69746NnHtISW5yQuDsWK0ID8DNA7C ONOfsiK1908/BgrEDVSthAOagSCZyL8RG2q0tToOp0OpXHIghrFEvtouP23zpy86 Bzo36Alp3/4= =98K3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Direct Delivery
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Roelof, On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, at 16:39:26 [GMT +0100] (which was 10:39:26 AM in NY, USA) Roelof Otten wrote: Roelof Otten Recently I found a program called postcastserver that Roelof Otten does the same, but is freeware where ADR has to be paid after ther 3o Roelof Otten days. I haven't done any intensive testing, since I'm using a complete Roelof Otten mailserver on my LAN these days. Roelof Otten postcastserver can be found on http://www.postcastserver.com I've also used PostCast Server for this purpose with success. You'll have to alter SMTP settings and such in the chosen TB account or create a new one solely for that purpose. But this is no chore. What you'll be doing is sending from TB to PostCast Server. PostCast Server then sends direct to your recipient(s). So, you actually send twice but the 'connections' are ultra fast since they aren't really Internet connections to a remote mail server. I use one specific TB account for this and just change the SMTP / port settings as needed. - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com If a man is standing in the middle of the forest speaking and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIOzSLUD0qHLxr2DAQHXmgP9EKfr/lk7kEzagWkp30M+EPBic6b+cAG5 ncApzUzYteEtw5PkxOEX1XB9gdR2bn4kT4uBHD2G91u13d/DdByF7mF0s3o9bIsq X98+vbElTxclZy9OebEalqHK2i4gq4jE+3/SpuIFYc4qNOw/rQsKGwsYRfM1XfLL uuyEhceEfok= =OjI7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Scot Finnie's Newsletter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello William, On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, at 13:02:51 [GMT +] (which was 8:02:51 AM in NY, USA) William Moore wrote: William Moore Thank you for your email dated Sunday, March 03, 2002, 11:29:27 AM, in which you wrote: MAU Scot's article is anything but an independent review William Moore I must admit it is unlike him to talk about a two-year old product William Moore although he says he will review it in the near future. Not only that. But with the following statement he bases that outdated opinion as a premise for all the alternative email faithful as being mistaken... But I guess I have some disappointing news. I've looked at all three programs in the past and have found them wanting. Nevertheless, I think his self proclaimed professional opinion makes something else very clear: TB is so functional and so different that one can use TB for years and still learn something new every day. Unlike other less powerful clients, TB can't be seen as not offering a function simply because it doesn't have a shiny button explicitly stating that purpose: If you can conceive it, odds are that you can do it with TB...you just have to find out how. Likewise, Mr. Finnie's misjudgments may also point a finger at the real source of finding TB wanting: that would be the lack of a full blown manual and context sensitive help that is a little more sensitive to the actual task at hand. There are more important individuals out there testing TB than Mr. Finnie and they are likely less daft but less technically proficient as well...such as those email users at the business level looking for simple solutions to OE and Outlook's shortcomings like simply selecting 100 messages at once and exporting them to text files. That simple need alone has given me the opportunity to push 3 business level registrations of TB in the last two months. Without a super manual or having someone hold Finnie's hand through setting up TB to his needs, I'd say send him an invitation to sit in on this list for a week or two. After all, the true manuals and help files reside here. William Moore I was one of those who complained about his ignoring TB! in his previous William Moore newsletter but I'm still too much of a Bat newbie to write again and William Moore refute the points he makes. Nice try. Personally, I'd take an inquisitive and innovative newbie over a biased set in his ways expert any day. - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com Society, my dear, is like salt water, good to swim in but hard to swallow. -- Arthur Stringer, _The Silver Poppy_ The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIJM2rUD0qHLxr2DAQFxsQP7B4949f0pbfxFPMnBC+9g8LKBxHgc2Hol Q7ex/dqaFqHOwg3GnjRqqlaOPu157tq+y7UAL6iXzOA1YlFtM381Hn0NPjRVSgCO KpBJmqclymghOMNhh0DQoVNUe/2Vf7ySjK9/tdrLXPJgl4UKFEyJo/mDSDW6ugOx 97ME5ydfssM= =rYwb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filter for sent mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Peter, On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, at 20:15:51 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:15:51 PM in NY, USA) Peter Kerekes wrote: Peter Kerekes Actually it would be even better, if possible , to use the Peter Kerekes same filter I set up already for incoming mail and add Peter Kerekes recipient in addition to sender. If I follow you correctly, what you want goes something like this: you have a filter that filters email from James from the inbox to the James folder. And you'd like to have a copy of all messages you send to James filtered to the same folder. If so, go to your current incoming filter(s), select one, and choose Copy from the buttons below. Then drag that newly created copy of your filter into the Outgoing filters group. Select the copy again and just switch Sender to Recipient via Location Filter Stings drop down box. Messages are only filtered from the Inbox (via incoming) and the Outbox (via outgoing) per account. In other words, you can't filter messages from any other folder. I think you were referring to setting up an incoming filter to your outbox folder...which can't happen. - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com To hate is to study, to study is to understand, to understand is to appreciate, to appreciate is to love. So maybe I'll end up loving your theory. -- John A. Wheeler The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/43 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPHsnVrUD0qHLxr2DAQFaFAQAi1xn6rXSkvQdAGZ7OFLSosxZjzI0bfSx /TEr2/JKQYuDS+qyJhfw4VPjEB5wwMma8XoilAOSKWQlMcFop2swUK1tIPq1i380 26ivIZBn+cSWAyER9e+XJrJ0NlodlpcOLXqNMXrMVr8PMO0NjdrI2kbL9sq1FxLZ HZlz8JIegQ8= =uKaj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat FAQ, = Navigation
Karin, I sympathize with your situation as I am sure Marck does. What you may not be aware of is, if I'm not incorrect, Marck has developed the FAQ voluntarily - as in he wanted to help others without deriving any financial benefit. Don't take offense as my intent isn't to make you feel guilty or anything of the sort. But the fact is that every page author has to tackle this nasty problem and can never please everyone as a result. Even the latest and greatest browser software can be rendered limited in use as a result of other installed faulty software such as plug-ins and add-ons. Taking a look at the FAQ in WebTV is quite a treat :). But then again, WebTV users are unlikely to have much interest in the Bat, right? If you need any help configuring your browser, feel free to write me direct. I'd be more than happy to help where I can. Sunday, February 17, 2002, 2:34:41 PM, Karin wrote: Karin On 17-02-2002 at 19:28, Marck D Pearlstone kindly wrote: I have to agree with that, although my version of Opera works with it. I don't understand what the meaning is of that kind of programming: is there a special reason that the page isn't set up normal ? The majority of people can read it and access it well. Karin Indeed. And is that a reason to ignore the rest? As I told Karin you: I cannot use the page in Mozilla, NS4.7 _nor_ in Karin MSIE5.0. I have proper and fully installed browsers. Karin And actually, the error might be yours. There is no doc type Karin defined... Karin - K - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/39 Windows Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Just curious why ....
Roberto, Wednesday, December 12, 2001, 9:49:30 PM, Roberto wrote: RP Newsreader: We still have not decided on what it will look like - RP as a plug-in or as a built-in function... MDP I have no idea what is happening with that. Roberto I *really* hope it doesn't happen. If TB is a MUA, it should be just Roberto that. If people want a newsreader, it should be a separate client. Roberto Doing one thing and doing it right is what has taken TB to where it Roberto is: The best (POP3) e-mail client this side of the galaxy. I very much look forward to newsreader capability in TB. But I understand your counter to that as well. Perhaps it's just the wish that all of one's communications tools could perform like TB that is intriguing. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hello Dierk, Sunday, December 02, 2001, 4:17:59 AM, you wrote: Dierk The biggest problems for me are: Dierk 1. People send HTML but *don't* use the HTML features, making Dierk messages unnecessarily big. Those are the messages that look Dierk exactly the same in HTML and PT. Yes and in that, I really like the way TB handles such messages. Even for the ones containing useless stationery. I'm not really bashing stationery but referring to those who have it set for every message by default. I don't fault the software for having the feature, however. But fixing this is akin to convincing my great Aunt to quit sending chain letters. But seriously, I like the way TB handles most HTML messages, giving you the power to delete the HTML portion while still saving the text for later review. Dierk 2. People find out about the features of HTML and use them Dierk unnecessarily. Those are the messages that could/should have been Dierk sent in PT but look like the most stupidly designed web sites from Dierk which you can get - quite literally - a seizure. Yes again. And this is somewhat understandable on the Web at least. People still learning are eager to try anything flashy. Yet I don't think such features should be removed from e-mail clients. There are valid uses for almost everything...almost. Dierk It is actually some spammers and the commercial newsletters (like Dierk PCWelt's) that make really good use of HTML. To them even GET makes Dierk sense, even if their NL are completely void of contents when I see Dierk them with TB!. Good last point. Some organizations seem to find it easier to compose a message as one large set of sliced graphics and / or objects. yet, as you say, the message body contains nothing in the way of content. This is something many of us wouldn't ever know had we never come across TB. The main thing I like about HTML messages are link formatting and structure. For instance, sending a rather lengthy link which contains strings like htm?view=01189432 at the end are troublesome for many e-mail clients. Of course, HTML formatted links don't share this problem. And even the best of tricks are not fool proof. The only decent solution is to set up a redirect link with a shorter URL for every link contained in a message. ECom newsletters considered, this can be a laborious task to say the least. In this way, I have had to make decisions to leave some content out of text-only versions while HTML versions are complete and as intended. Secondly, structure is important at least internally. I'm sure most of us have by now received a transaction receipt in text that is horribly wrapped. Some solid companies do their best to adjust for standard column lengths. But they never seem to work perfectly. While I wouldn't recommend sending customer invoices in HTML alone, I'd consider using the dual method. And I certainly share internal documents of this type with table structures via HTML. This is almost necessary due to some office members using 640 x 480 on 14 monitors. But these can't be confidential documents as encrypting HTML documents is a mystery to me. Dierk - -- Dierk Dierk Haasis Dierk http://www.Write4U.de Dierk PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys Dierk The Bat 1.54 Beta/14 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Dierk Es ist viel einfacher, Kritik zu üben, als etwas anzuerkennen. Dierk (Benjamin Disraeli) Dierk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Dierk Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Dierk Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! Dierk iQA/AwUBPAnjuPTo1oA8g8dLEQJWgQCfWg02Ei32cHxJLQPh7HZvCJb5L7IAnjJ1 Dierk Q1gpSxSd+3XH4ynnqPNRDolo Dierk =WHqa Dierk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Sean, I got the same. But I think that was an auto generated send from the trojan. Possibly not. But that would be my first guess seeing how it was the BadTrans worm that was attached. Apparently it scans inboxes for new prospects. I think people in this list are far above that sort of behavior. Sunday, December 02, 2001, 1:40:27 PM, you wrote: N. Oh...and let's not forget those who, rather than being able to N. rationally argue their point of view, have to attempt to send someone N. a virus to try and prove their point (You know who you are, and I N. don't appreciate it in this kind of forum.) I stand by my statement N. that there can and are valid uses of HTML email that are not malicious, and N. anything that can be done to enable these, while protecting against N. the misuse of it (such as only allowing it from those you specify) is N. a Good Thing. N. - Sean T. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi Cyclon, Sunday, December 02, 2001, 1:35:06 PM, you wrote: Kris Hello, I also have a question about HTML : I know that I can't create Kris a HTML message, but what do I have to do when I want to reply to a Kris HTML message, or when I want to forward it? Then the HTML structure Kris is lost, and all that is left is plain text, so the receiver will not Kris see the original contents of the mail. Is there any other way to make Kris sure the receivers sees the original message? Depending on how well the original e-mail was formatted, you may find these work arounds useful. 1) Open the message and hit Ctrl-A or select all text, then choose Specials and reply quoting selected text. If the structure was formatted well, it might appear pretty much intact. 2) Alternatively, you could either forward the message or redirect it. Of course, you'd have to edit the to and from lines. But the HTML portion should be included as an attachment this way. Thereby, you could say something like, see attachment for original message. 3) There are other ways that would appear more 'normal' but they'd be too time consuming for just one message unless it was terribly important. Personally, I'd redirect the message to one of the e-mail accounts I use on Becky or Outlook and deal with it from there. But the same could be done with a hotmail account too. But there may be far better suggestions from others more knowledgeable than I. Kris Greetings, Kris Cyclon -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Alastair, Saturday, December 01, 2001, 4:50:43 AM, you wrote: Alastair For what it's worth, my opinion is that TB! is doing the right thing Alastair (read but not write). Alastair The problem is that home and business have radically different Alastair requirements. Good call. I'm glad to hear someone finally say it. But I think you are referring to inter-office messaging rather than business e-mail. And no, this doesn't mean spam. Not every message from a commercial entity is spam. That's another area where people get carried away. HTML e-mail is most useful as a business tool rather than a glitzy informal message. I'd love to use theBat as my sole business e-mail tool but it is quite a hassle to attach an html file to 10,000+ messages then export them, make necessary changes (and no, changing the content type to multipart/alternative is not the only change necessary) and finally import them all back into the Outbox. The fact is that theBat is and hopefully always will be a step above other e-mail clients. So, simply adding the ability to compose html messages would not be enough. One would still want to be able to personalize mass e-mail messages and further more embed an ascii version for anyone not able to view html. No other e-mail client provides this functionality to my knowledge. Even Becky only allows for sending mass html messages via the BCC line which many servers will toss out on sight. Why? Again that fear that any message with numerous addresses in the BCC line is Spam. On viruses and external images...from the business end it would be ridiculous to expect customers to put up with embedded images. Keeping them external at least gives the customer a chance to delete the message before all the downloading begins. Please don't think of HTML e-mail as an evil business tool used by spammers alone. In my case I'd much rather send text since I can send them ten times faster. But our subscriber base prefers HTML. They sign up for it, it is not chosen for them. The problem with viruses is well documented but it is certainly not the norm. And one shouldn't shy away from HTML because of them just as you wouldn't abstain from using the 'Net for fear of infection. But I digress...I think the reason why theBat has yet to implement HTML composing is simply because when RitLabs does something they try to do it right. I don't think it is because they are part of some end all html e-mail movement. I am not speaking from insider knowledge here. These are just my thoughts on the subject. Alastair I have a feeling that strong feeling against viruses will spread, Alastair particularly as broadband connections become common, and there will be a Alastair fork; email will be for plain ASCII and attachments, whereas the bells Alastair and whistles will move to instant messaging. Again, this is from the home-user standpoint. E-commerce requires the use of HTML e-mail to some degree. And at least some customers ask for it specifically. Attachments were all the rage way back when but now people fear them. I guess I can't blame them...at least they've come that far in avoiding viruses. I prefer the dual html / ascii method. I like to choose. But so far theBat is the only client that handles it near perfect in my experience. Alastair Given all this, I would not encourage people to use HTML in emails, but Alastair they have to be able to read it (or remove it) :) I guess I can't really argue with that except to expand on it. I wouldn't discourage the use of any form of communication. However, I would highly encourage the use of theBat. That move alone would solve many of the concerns expressed in these two threads. Even though we all may consider theBat to be beyond mainstream quality, the masses may not feel this way until HTML composing and improved handling is implemented. Again, I trust this is already in the works, as Marck has stated. It's probably just being done the right way! One only needs to be patient I suppose. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi Januk, Sunday, December 02, 2001, 12:31:38 AM, you wrote: Januk Hello James, Januk On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 22:54 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking Januk James Senick [JS] wrote: JS One would still want to be able to personalize mass e-mail JS messages and further more embed an ascii version for anyone not JS able to view html. Januk TB has a version of a mass mailing function. Yes. I was really referring to the personalization of HTML e-mail messages on a mass scale. It can still be done; just not nicely done. The ascii portions can be personalized. And too, I am referring to personalization of the message body rather than just the to address or subject line. The html cannot since it begins as an attached file. Januk It has been reported that this feature can be somewhat buggy when Januk working with large numbers of addresses. I personally can't comment as Januk I never use the feature. Also, I can't be sure that the problems are Januk in the current release, they may have been from the 1.53 beta days. Januk Again, I'm not sure because I don't use it. The point is, you should Januk probably test the feature on a known test group before using it on Januk your customers. I have used it on semi large ascii mass mailings and with the multipart/alternative version as well. I haven't noticed any bugs to date. It is slow during that process but I would expect that of any program processing such a large request. It should also be noted though that I use a local mail server for this type of thing. So the send isn't nearly as lengthy as it could be. And there is no need to send in batches. If I sent them all at once to an external mail server I'd likely run into a memory error. Thanks for the advice though. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Duplicate Addresses
Does theBat automatically filter duplicate address book entries when performing a mass mailing? Thanks in advance and I apologize if this question was answered previously. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 Proudly in New York USA! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: External Browser????
Thursday, March 22, 2001, 10:39:01 PM, you wrote: Jim Must be nice... even after deleting the WCT entry from the Registry, mine still show up Jim as message.wct.. but on the positive side, when I double-click it, it shows up properly Jim in Netscape - images and all!! :)) I still would REALLY like to be able to double-click Jim the message in the message list get to view it, though!! Did you try deleting the wct extension from Explorer's File Types Dialogue Box? By the way, I did find several more sources of the wct extension that have not been mentioned here as yet. The most notable of these is Web Trends. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.51 Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: External Browser????
My problem is fixed and I kind of understand how it happened. My html messages were arriving as attached .mv files which normally pertain to Miva Script files. I had recently changed the default handler for that extension to another program for editing (EditPlus). I simply deleted the extension from Explorer. Upon a theBat reload, html files then showed as message.hts. The hts extension is yet another Miva Script extension (older version I believe). I can still open these files with my preferred program and I normally open them from within the editor anyway. But most importantly, theBat is now showing the proper message.html. Now I ask myself, "Self, was this really worth the trouble to see ads in your messages"? This was simple for me since the only purpose hts and mv files have here is to be edited with a text editor. But regarding other's file extension oddities, I am unsure. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the main purpose of a file extension is to associate a file type with a master program or set of menu extensions. That said, if a program is looking for a certain file type, it will find it and manipulate it regardless of whether the extension is recognized by the OS. Don't take my word for it though. Wednesday, March 21, 2001, 10:05:39 PM, you wrote: And it asks for the location to be entered.. Something still missing here, but I'm lost! What I meant you to delete was the quotation marks. The %1 may be crucial. If you did just that, Netscapes me (what a bad pun). Jim Quotes only were deleted... the %1 remains... along with my problem!!! :)) -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: External Browser????
My HTML messages are listed as message.mv. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: hiding group recipients
Hello Dierk, Thank you very much. Now the other posts make sense :) I kept looking for this mass mailing option. Tuesday, March 20, 2001, 3:08:47 AM, you wrote: DH 1. Use the BCC field. (If you want an address in the TO field for DH cosmetic reasons, just fill in your own or a dummy). DH 2. Got to the address book and use the "New mass mailing" under DH "File". for that you have to define a Quick Template. With this method DH every one on your "list" will get a message personally delivered (TO = DH addressee). DH - -- DH Dierk Haasis -- Best regards, James Senick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
hiding group recipients
Forgive me if this has been covered before. Is there a way to hide the recipients in a group mailing (mass)? -- Thank you, James Senick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
