Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
On 5-6 at 17:55 Allie wrote: Hello Allie - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. This turned out to be the problem. I found a tmp folder I didn't knew off, which contained 65000 bat*.tmp files. They are now gone, and TheBat is fast again. To other people with this problem, the folder was located at c:\Documents and settings\my login\Local settings\Temp\ (note: I use a danish Windows 2000, so Local settings is directly translated from the danish version and may have a different name in the english version.) -- Best regards Simon Mikkelsen Contact information http://mikkelsen.tv/simon/contact/ Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources - Solved!
Thursday, June 10, 2004, 10:43:07 PM, Allie wrote: AM The Bayesit plugin directory should be in the TB! installation AM directory. Have you tried moving that directory to another location AM after exiting TB! and then restarting TB!? Woho! Not only is it not hogging CPU, but it is running *really* fast. I had no idea TB! was this quick! Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! I think I'll celebrate by installing 2.11. Am I a glutton for punishment or what? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources - Solved!
Allister Jenks, [AJ] wrote: Woho! B-) ;-) Not only is it not hogging CPU, but it is running *really* fast. I had no idea TB! was this quick! Oh yes, it is fast. I'm happy you can now experience one of the things I enjoy about TB!. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! Anytime, anytime, anytime. :) I'm really happy we solved that one for you. I think I'll celebrate by installing 2.11. Am I a glutton for punishment or what? Watch out for the Bayesit installation when you install v2.11. I've never used Bayesit and it's never been auto-enabled just by a TB! install. But watch out anyway. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.03 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpuG6YsKavfI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources - Solved!
Saturday, June 12, 2004, 3:21:08 AM, rich wrote: Woho! Not only is it not hogging CPU, but it is running *really* fast. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! rg Was that Process Explorer product the one that pulled you out of the rg fire? I guess it pretty much was. It was the one that highlighted BayesIt. But I do not wish to detract from the splendiforous help from the TBUDLers involved. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Thursday, June 10, 2004, 4:31:54 AM, Thomas wrote: TF Hello Allister, TF On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:32:37 +1200 GMT (07/06/2004, 14:32 +0700 GMT), TF Allister Jenks wrote: AJ Done. Problem remains. :-( TF Too bad. Does it happen only when purgingcompressing on exit, or TF also when you do it manually? I just noticed when checking this that it seems to be grabbing CPU all the time. Even sitting there doing nothing it is taking all it can. I turned off the icon animation (hey, who knows?), switched XP to classic style interface as I noticed the menu navigator button flickering horribly all the time. Still the same. So it is doing something all the time from startup and then refuses to stop doing whatever it is. Memory usage is fluctuating, but only by a few Mb around 55Mb in total. Wow, just downloaded Process Explorer at this point. Nice! It seems to be telling me that MSVCRT.DLL!endthreadex+0x31 has a high (and fluctuating) CSwitch Delta (which is what?). There's also another line the same, but with none or 1 as the CSD. Also seems to show this first line as consuming all the CPU. Does this mean anything to anyone? We might beat this yet! -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Thursday, June 10, 2004, 6:18:38 PM, Allister wrote: AJ Thursday, June 10, 2004, 4:31:54 AM, Thomas wrote: TF Hello Allister, TF On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:32:37 +1200 GMT (07/06/2004, 14:32 +0700 GMT), TF Allister Jenks wrote: AJ Done. Problem remains. :-( TF Too bad. Does it happen only when purgingcompressing on exit, or TF also when you do it manually? AJ I just noticed when checking this that it seems to be grabbing CPU all AJ the time. Even sitting there doing nothing it is taking all it can. AJ I turned off the icon animation (hey, who knows?), switched XP to AJ classic style interface as I noticed the menu navigator button AJ flickering horribly all the time. AJ Still the same. So it is doing something all the time from startup and AJ then refuses to stop doing whatever it is. Memory usage is fluctuating, AJ but only by a few Mb around 55Mb in total. AJ Wow, just downloaded Process Explorer at this point. Nice! It seems to AJ be telling me that MSVCRT.DLL!endthreadex+0x31 has a high (and AJ fluctuating) CSwitch Delta (which is what?). There's also another line AJ the same, but with none or 1 as the CSD. Also seems to show this first AJ line as consuming all the CPU. AJ Does this mean anything to anyone? We might beat this yet! Also just checked the stack for this line: MSVCRT.DLL!memcpy+0x90 MSVCP60.dll!std::basic_stringchar,std::char_traitschar,std::allocatorchar ::get_allocator+0x58 bayesit.tbp+0x3edb3 That last line worries me. I tried to uninstall BayesIt recently because I am not using it. TB! basically hung when I tried to quit the plugins window and after restarting BayesIt was back. After a couple of attempts at that I just deselected all the check boxes in AntiSpam and left it. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Allister Jenks, [AJ] wrote: That last line worries me. I tried to uninstall BayesIt recently because I am not using it. TB! basically hung when I tried to quit the plugins window and after restarting BayesIt was back. Seems like the Bayesit plugin is the culprit. The Bayesit plugin directory should be in the TB! installation directory. Have you tried moving that directory to another location after exiting TB! and then restarting TB!? -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.03 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpM7bXHkb1wm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello Allister, On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:32:37 +1200 GMT (07/06/2004, 14:32 +0700 GMT), Allister Jenks wrote: AJ Done. Problem remains. :-( Too bad. Does it happen only when purgingcompressing on exit, or also when you do it manually? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello Simon, On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:49:17 +0200 GMT (07/06/2004, 13:49 +0700 GMT), Simon Mikkelsen wrote: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. I noticed that TB runs faster after a defrag. SM It's not long ago I ran Norton Speeddisk (a defragger). But during SM the peaks there is no disc activity at all, actually when there is SM any disc activity it goes down. On the beta list, something was mentioned about GDI and USER handlers. Can you check those and see whether their number increases maybe in synch with the slow-down? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Geld ist besser als Armut - wenn auch nur aus finanziellen Gruenden. (Woody Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
On 6-6 at 17:47 Thomas wrote: Hello Thomas - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. SM I've run the compleate maintenence on all folders in all accounts - it SM only recovered some disc space, but did nothing to the CPU problems. I noticed that TB runs faster after a defrag. I now use Diskeeper for degragging, as it is faster and finds more fragmented files that the built-in Windows defragger. It's not long ago I ran Norton Speeddisk (a defragger). But during the peaks there is no disc activity at all, actually when there is any disc activity it goes down. -- Best regards Simon Mikkelsen Contact information http://mikkelsen.tv/simon/contact/ Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
sat. 5-6 at 17:55 Allie wrote: Things that come to mind and are worth checking: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. I've run the compleate maintenence on all folders in all accounts - it only recovered some disc space, but did nothing to the CPU problems. - plugin use, especially antispam have been reportedly culpable for problems as you're experiencing. I tried to remove my only plugin BayersIt, and it didn't help either. I also tried to disable my Norton Antivirus. - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an inordinately long time with it. It happens in all folders, in all of my 4 accounts. One have only handled less than 100 mails. - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. Empty - didn't help. I think it is a regular bug, and not just the usual errors in the mailbox files. The problem has existed from I ran 2.11 the first time, and I have never had any problems with 2.x. It would be too much of a coincidence if 4 mailboxes should be damaged at the exact same time as I upgraded. As far as I know the installation does not alter the mailbox files, and no one else have had this problem -- Best regards Simon Mikkelsen Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Sunday, June 6, 2004, 3:42:55 PM, Thomas wrote: AM - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an AM inordinately long time with it. AJ This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I originally AJ suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe TB! is doing AJ something at the last gasp, after the windows are all closed and maybe AJ this is tripping over a dodgy account. My mailbase is, after all, about AJ the only constant in this whole affair. TF Try this: Create a new folder. Can be inthe same account. TF Go to the troublesome Inbox. Mark all messages, and copy them to the TF newly-created folder. TF Close TB. Delete the messages.tbb and messages.tbi files in the Inbox' TF directory. (What I do in such cases is to just rename, them, so TB TF won't find them, but I can still go back if I want to.) TF Open TB. a new messages.tbb will be created, but your Inbox is now TF empty. TF Go to the new folder and copy all messages to the Inbox. TF Now see if the problem has disappeared. Done. Problem remains. :-( -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Dear Arjan, @6-Jun-2004, 02:29 +0200 (06-Jun 01:29 UK time) Arjan de Groot [ADG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. You win some, you lose some. :-( ADG Listen carefully. I will say this only once. ADG TB! Usage Rule Number One: NEVER leave mail in the Inbox. The Inbox ADG is the folder with the most traffic of all, which makes it also the ADG most vulnerable. Use filters to move ALL incoming mail to different ADG folders, even if it doesn't seem necessary. Using the Inbox for ADG storing messages is asking for trouble. Excellent advice! I want to add that aggressive AV software will quarantine the whole inbox if a single infected message appears in it. I will wager that this is the biggest single reason (maybe only reason) for people finding their vast inboxes suddenly empty! -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpRxcF3i9EP4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
sat. 5-6 at 17:55 Allie wrote: Things that come to mind and are worth checking: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. I've run the compleate maintenence on all folders in all accounts - it only recovered some disc space, but did nothing to the CPU problems. - plugin use, especially antispam have been reportedly culpable for problems as you're experiencing. I tried to remove my only plugin BayersIt, and it didn't help either. I also tried to disable my Norton Antivirus. - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an inordinately long time with it. It happens in all folders, in all of my 4 accounts. One have only handled less than 100 mails. - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. Empty - didn't help. I think it is a regular bug, and not just the usual errors in the mailbox files. The problem has existed from I ran 2.11 the first time, and I have never had any problems with 2.x. It would be too much of a coincidence if 4 mailboxes should be damaged at the exact same time as I upgraded. As far as I know the installation does not alter the mailbox files, and no one else have had this problem -- Best regards Simon Mikkelsen Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello Simon, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:21:11 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 21:21 +0700 GMT), Simon Mikkelsen wrote: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. SM I've run the compleate maintenence on all folders in all accounts - it SM only recovered some disc space, but did nothing to the CPU problems. I noticed that TB runs faster after a defrag. I now use Diskeeper for degragging, as it is faster and finds more fragmented files that the built-in Windows defragger. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. WE LEARN that the Acme ultrasonic dog whistle warns purchasers: This product will be ineffective if your dog is deaf. Well, well, well. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Simon Mikkelsen, [SM] wrote: Check list all coming up with nil snipped. SM I think it is a regular bug, and not just the usual errors in the SM mailbox files. The problem has existed from I ran 2.11 the first SM time, and I have never had any problems with 2.x. It would be too SM much of a coincidence if 4 mailboxes should be damaged at the SM exact same time as I upgraded. True. SM As far as I know the installation does not alter the mailbox SM files, and no one else have had this problem It would seem this isn't a common problem at all which would point to something being special about your situation. I wonder Frustrating. :/ -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpeH121ISUI7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 9:49:36 AM, Allister wrote: AJ Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:06:56 AM, Simon wrote: SM ...the CPU usage goes to 100%... SM ...and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. AJ OK, attention all! How many times has this basic symptom been reported AJ now? I had a bit of a rant on here recently about getting my bug report AJ looked at on this very topic (0002755). AJ Obviously TB! has a generic problem that causes CPU hogging, apparently AJ in a variety of circumstances and it is *very* annoying. AJ I don't know how many RIT folk watch this list, but if any are watching, AJ PLEASE concentrate some effort on sorting this one out before adding any AJ new features. And all you others out there who have ever experienced AJ this problem, or who feel for those who do - please add your weight to AJ this in any way you see fit. AJ Maybe if those beer mugs and fish were real they could be treated as AJ compensation of a sort, but all I see is diversion of resource. OK, sorry folks. You all want to talk about the smileys. So long, and thanks for all the fish. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello Allister, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:41:37 +1200 GMT (05/06/2004, 17:41 +0700 GMT), Allister Jenks wrote: SM ...the CPU usage goes to 100%... SM ...and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. AJ OK, attention all! How many times has this basic symptom been reported AJ now? I had a bit of a rant on here recently about getting my bug report AJ looked at on this very topic (0002755). [...] AJ OK, sorry folks. You all want to talk about the smileys. That's not true. I keep campaigning against the memory leaks, but mostly on TBBETA, I admit. I am not sure whether your bug is the same memory leak that leads to sudden crashes or not. The reason is that several people experienced what you described (cannot close TB) in one earlier version, but it hasn't been confirmed with 2.11. AJ So long, and thanks for all the fish. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A detective can only solve a case once he has been fired from his job. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: TF That's not true. I keep campaigning against the memory leaks, but TF mostly on TBBETA, I admit. I am not sure whether your bug is the TF same memory leak that leads to sudden crashes or not. It's not. He describes TB! not properly shutting down while doing a purge and compress on exit. On inspecting the processes in the taskmanager, thebat.exe is still there and using up 100% CPU. I've never experienced this recently. I compress only the Outbox and do no purging. I used to purge and compress on exit without problems but stopped doing so because of the long exit times and switched to a manual thing. The addition of the maintenance centre helped with that transition. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp4Pnj2FZkyV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Sat. d. 5-6 at 14:04 Allie Martin [AM] wrote: AM Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: TF That's not true. I keep campaigning against the memory leaks, but TF mostly on TBBETA, I admit. I am not sure whether your bug is the TF same memory leak that leads to sudden crashes or not. AM It's not. He describes TB! not properly shutting down while doing a AM purge and compress on exit. On inspecting the processes in the AM taskmanager, thebat.exe is still there and using up 100% CPU. After having used the buggy TheBat for about 24 hours, I can specify the problems more detailed. If I just let TheBat fetch all new mail, which takes about 10 minutes with the bug (usually around 20 seconds), it stops using all resources, and goes back to be normal. Then it is possible to close TheBat normally, only with a second of abnormal CPU ussage. It is only some tasks which makes it use the abnormal amount of resources. Some of those tasks are: *Fetching mail *Saving an e-mail using CTRL+S (e.g. the one I'm writing now) *Applying the NOT spam-feature to a mail *Using the internal backup feature Some tasks which are normal is *Moving mails to other folders *Deleting mails I found a program which can look closer at the sub processes of a program, and the following is the results from it. The lines which I have commented starts with SM SM I run it to find the process id of TheBat (I use hybernation mode SM - my computer has not been running for 332 hrs). C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Dokumenter\download\tmppslist PsList 1.26 - Process Information Lister Copyright (C) 1999-2004 Mark Russinovich Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com Process information for ANNE-GRETHE: NamePid Pri Thd Hnd PrivCPU TimeElapsed Time Idle 0 0 10 047:43:15.765 332:20:52.681 System8 8 41 219 24 0:13:29.531 332:20:52.681 ... thebat 1596 8 11 150 7044 0:05:16.187 0:07:06.406 SM TheBat has the pid 1596, and has been running for about 8-7 SM minutes (fetching mail). ... SMI run the program for TheBat only, displaying details about sub SMprocesses. C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Dokumenter\download\tmppslist -x 1596 PsList 1.26 - Process Information Lister Copyright (C) 1999-2004 Mark Russinovich Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com Process and thread information for ANNE-GRETHE: NamePid Pri Thd Hnd PrivCPU TimeElapsed Time thebat 1596 8 11 151 7044 0:05:22.125 0:07:13.171 VM WSPriv Priv Pk Faults NonP Page 51268 1463270447364 7428 23 40 Tid PriCswtchState User Time Kernel Time Elapsed Time 2168 10 25166Ready 0:00:01.296 0:00:01.4840:07:13.156 796 8 2235 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:11.734 732 9 109 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:10.656 580 7 114 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:09.765 2444 8 8 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:09.359 768 852 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:09.187 SM This one (tid 1920) is the process I suspect for beeing the SM guilty one. It only appears during the abnormal CPU ussage, and SM have a priority so some parts of TheBat will be unaffected by the SM lack of ressources. 1920 7 5744307Ready 0:00:33.343 0:04:42.0150:07:09.015 808 8 1535 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.1710:07:08.640 776 8 7 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:08.031 416 7 5447 Wait:UserReq 0:00:01.171 0:00:02.5930:06:02.000 744 8 2 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:05:02.218 SM I run it again about 20 seconds later. C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Dokumenter\download\tmppslist -x 1596 PsList 1.26 - Process Information Lister Copyright (C) 1999-2004 Mark Russinovich Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com Process and thread information for ANNE-GRETHE: NamePid Pri Thd Hnd PrivCPU TimeElapsed Time thebat 1596 8 11 150 7044 0:05:32.546 0:07:25.234 VM WSPriv Priv Pk Faults NonP Page 51268 1463270447364 7579 23 40 Tid PriCswtchState User Time Kernel Time Elapsed Time 2168 10 25836Ready 0:00:01.359 0:00:01.5000:07:25.218 796 8 2314 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:23.796 732 8 111 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:22.718 580 7 117 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:21.828 2444 8 8 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:21.421 768 853Ready 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:21.250
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Simon Mikkelsen, [SM] wrote: SM It is only some tasks which makes it use the abnormal amount of SM resources. Some of those tasks are: SM *Fetching mail SM *Saving an e-mail using CTRL+S (e.g. the one I'm writing now) SM *Applying the NOT spam-feature to a mail SM *Using the internal backup feature Interesting. I've never really ever had a problem with TB! consuming an inordinate amount of CPU resources. Things that come to mind and are worth checking: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. Though messages are filtered to other folders and most messages are immediately sent, a copy of every incoming and outgoing message is stored in those folders. If you don't compress them, TB! will soon need to use a lot of resources to handle them. - plugin use, especially antispam have been reportedly culpable for problems as you're experiencing. The same goes for spam and antivirus proxy software or those that monitor mail traffic before TB! gets at it. NOD32 uses a Winsock scanner which causes a TB! memory leak on my system. That same Winsock scanner was causing my mailserver to crash while sending mail and then quickly manipulating IMAP mail. I used to think it was TB! causing the server crashes. - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an inordinately long time with it. - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpVYdji4PPdR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
First of all, Thomas, Rich, Allie, Simon, thanks for the useful feedback. There are a few things I can look at now. This is precisely my beef with the Bug report - no feedback of any kind. Sunday, June 6, 2004, 3:55:48 AM, Allie wrote: AM Interesting. I've never really ever had a problem with TB! consuming AM an inordinate amount of CPU resources. Lucky you! AM Things that come to mind and are worth checking: AM - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. Though AM messages are filtered to other folders and most messages are AM immediately sent, a copy of every incoming and outgoing message is AM stored in those folders. If you don't compress them, TB! will soon AM need to use a lot of resources to handle them. The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. You win some, you lose some. :-( The compression/purge *completes* and that window disappears before the extreme CPU occurs. At the time of extreme CPU there are no TB! windows or tray icons present anywhere. It is actually possible (if a little slow) to start TB! again - in which case you get a new task. Exit that one and you have two tasks trying to take over. At this point even one of the simple OpenGL screensavers (FlowerBox or the like) are basically frozen when they engage. This on a 1.3GHz system with a kick-ass graphics card. AM - plugin use, especially antispam have been reportedly culpable for AM problems as you're experiencing. The same goes for spam and antivirus AM proxy software or those that monitor mail traffic before TB! gets at AM it. NOD32 uses a Winsock scanner which causes a TB! memory leak on my AM system. That same Winsock scanner was causing my mailserver to crash AM while sending mail and then quickly manipulating IMAP mail. I used to AM think it was TB! causing the server crashes. I had the problem before and after using BayesIt, before and after using AVG plugin and before and after switching to Avast antivirus with plugin (I'm now back with AVG). I've had the problem since about 1.6x or thereabouts. AM - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an AM inordinately long time with it. This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I originally suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe TB! is doing something at the last gasp, after the windows are all closed and maybe this is tripping over a dodgy account. My mailbase is, after all, about the only constant in this whole affair. I've been meaning to re-import from an old backup all those lost messages from the repair I did, but so far have not been brave enough. I wonder now whether I should recover that whole account somehow? AM - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when AM downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. Nope. Problem evident directly after a full re-install of XP, TB!. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Allister Jenks, [AJ] wrote: AJ The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until AJ I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in AJ the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. AJ You win some, you lose some. :-( This is sounding like the problem. That account has messed up mailbases that are only partially repaired. When TB! attempts compressions, problems start. AJ The compression/purge *completes* and that window disappears AJ before the extreme CPU occurs. It may not have really completed since TB! is still running and busy. Something is stuck though the GUI shuts down. Something else is still going. AJ At the time of extreme CPU there are no TB! windows or tray icons AJ present anywhere. It is actually possible (if a little slow) to AJ start TB! again - in which case you get a new task. Exit that one AJ and you have two tasks trying to take over. At this point even one AJ of the simple OpenGL screensavers (FlowerBox or the like) are AJ basically frozen when they engage. This on a 1.3GHz system with a AJ kick-ass graphics card. Kick-ass eh? Is it one of them babies that requires a double fan cooling system and air vents? ;) Anyway, it's amazing how our kick-ass hardware can be brought to its knees by problem software/processes. AJ This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I AJ originally suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe AJ TB! is doing something at the last gasp, after the windows are all AJ closed and maybe this is tripping over a dodgy account. My AJ mailbase is, after all, about the only constant in this whole AJ affair. Agreed. What you will have to do is painstaking. You could try exporting the messages for each folder, then delete the account, create a new account and then import the messages to brand new folders. I just hope it isn't one of those accounts with 150 folders. Yikes! If so, then I suggest using virtual folders to help cut down on the folders next time around. :) -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp8CGlBI66yC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:08:18 +1200, Allister Jenks wrote: The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. You win some, you lose some. :-( Listen carefully. I will say this only once. TB! Usage Rule Number One: NEVER leave mail in the Inbox. The Inbox is the folder with the most traffic of all, which makes it also the most vulnerable. Use filters to move ALL incoming mail to different folders, even if it doesn't seem necessary. Using the Inbox for storing messages is asking for trouble. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allister, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:08:18 +1200 GMT (06/06/2004, 04:08 +0700 GMT), Allister Jenks wrote: AM - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an AM inordinately long time with it. AJ This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I originally AJ suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe TB! is doing AJ something at the last gasp, after the windows are all closed and maybe AJ this is tripping over a dodgy account. My mailbase is, after all, about AJ the only constant in this whole affair. Try this: Create a new folder. Can be inthe same account. Go to the troublesome Inbox. Mark all messages, and copy them to the newly-created folder. Close TB. Delete the messages.tbb and messages.tbi files in the Inbox' directory. (What I do in such cases is to just rename, them, so TB won't find them, but I can still go back if I want to.) Open TB. a new messages.tbb will be created, but your Inbox is now empty. Go to the new folder and copy all messages to the Inbox. Now see if the problem has disappeared. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Man: Your place or mine? Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I'll go to mine. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello rich, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:12:23 -0400 GMT (06/06/2004, 01:12 +0700 GMT), rich gregory wrote: I keep campaigning against the memory leaks rg I am using FreeRam XP Pro to keep memory leaks in check. It is not a rg perfect solution but (on my Win98se PCs) it has helped considerably to rg make the machines more stable. I use MViewer, which shows a simple bar on the edge of the screen. I have set it to always on top. I also use MPower, with which I can do a lot more. Both available for free from Sysinternals. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My goal is to be a meterologist. But since I possess no training in meteorology, I suppose I should try stock brokerage. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Friday, June 4, 2004, 1:06:56 PM, Simon Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SM Today I upgraded TheBat from v 2.10 to 2.11 by installing on top of SM the old 2.10. Every time I run TheBat 2.11, the CPU usage goes to SM 100%, except when TheBat is using the disk a lot. SM I've tried to remove the BayersIt-plugin and rename it's folder, SM and move the content of my junk-folder to another folder - without any SM change. SM Some tasks, like reading mail, viewing folders and altering options is SM running as fast as they always have done, while reciving messages and SM moving messages is painfully slow. SM When I try to exit TheBat, I get the warning message Some tasks are SM active now. Do you want to exit when they are finished? with the SM buttons Yes, No and Abort. Nothing happens when I press any of SM them, and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. SM I use Win 2000 professional danish, with the latest service packs. I also use W2k (tho' not Danish) with latest SPs updates and also upgraded by installing on top of 2.10. Don't use plugins. On loading TB, CPU utilization quickly goes to 100% and then quickly back down to 0%. Receiving messages also shoots CPU up to 100%, but only for the time it is receiving, and it isn't painfully slow. Haven't had to kill TB from task manager. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:06:56 AM, Simon wrote: SM ...the CPU usage goes to 100%... SM ...and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. OK, attention all! How many times has this basic symptom been reported now? I had a bit of a rant on here recently about getting my bug report looked at on this very topic (0002755). Obviously TB! has a generic problem that causes CPU hogging, apparently in a variety of circumstances and it is *very* annoying. I don't know how many RIT folk watch this list, but if any are watching, PLEASE concentrate some effort on sorting this one out before adding any new features. And all you others out there who have ever experienced this problem, or who feel for those who do - please add your weight to this in any way you see fit. Maybe if those beer mugs and fish were real they could be treated as compensation of a sort, but all I see is diversion of resource. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
