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CHENGANNUR MAHADEVA TEMPLE

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CHENGANNURMAHADEVA TEMPLE

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Dear friends,

My late mother was an ardent devotee of Chengannur Devi.Though Siva temple,
importance is for Devi in the temple. Chengannur is about12 KM north of
Pandalam in the MC Road. The temple is about 1 KM from Busstand. So mostly we
availed Taxi to visit the temple. Even in my college days,my mother was
specific to go to Chengannur temple once a month. She used to getsome sort of
relaxation after visiting the temple and worship Devi.

Whenever I visit native or on important occasions, I used tovisit the temple
with my family and relations in home.

The temple is actually on top of a very small hill. So fromMC road, the way to
temple is steep. Hence taxi is most preferred. Nowadaysauto also ply.

Normal Entrance is through west nada.

The speciality with the temple is the Devi here is havingoccasional menses,
nowadays. I have heard it was monthly menses at one time.

I have compiled the information from different sources. Thetemple website is
copyright. So only one can read from there.

Gopalakrishnan 4-6-24

1 Chengannur Mahadeva Temple-Introduction

Affiliation Hinduism

District Alappuzha

Deity Mahadeva (Shiva)

Bhagavati (Bhadrakali, Kannaki, or Parvati)

Festivals Varshikotsav (yearly festival)

Shivaratri, Chitrapournami,

Special- Thripputhu

Architecture Dravidian architecture Keralaarchitecture

Creator Perumthachan

Chengannur Mahadeva Temple (also called Bhagavathy Temple) isa prominent Hindu
temple, dedicated to Shiva and located in the town ofChengannur in the South
Indian state of Kerala. The temple is one of the majorShiva temples in Kerala,
along with the Ettumanoor Mahadevar Temple,Kaduthruthy Mahadeva Temple, Vaikom
Temple, Ernakulam Shiva Temple andVadakkunnathan Temple

There are shrines for Ganesha, Dakshinamurti, Subrahmanya,Shasta, Krishna,
Nilagriva, Sthalisha, Hanuman, Ganga, and serpent deities inside and outside
thetemple complex.

The temple is considered one of the major Bhadrakali templesin Kerala.

The temple celebrates a rare menstruation festival for Bhadrakali,
calledThripputhu (Malayalam: തൃപ്പൂത്ത്), during which the temple is closedfor
three days for the irregular menstruation of the deity.

There are five daily pujas done in the temple, three sribaliesfor Shiva and
three for Bhadrakali. Tantric worship is led by a member of theThazhamon Madom
family. The yearly festival (vaarshika ulsavam) is celebratedfrom December to
January and lasts 28 days. The temple is administered by the Travancore
DevaswomBoard.

2.Legend

As per Hindu legend, Bhadrakali is considered the goddess ofKerala and
protector of the masses. It is believed that Parvati, the consort ofShiva, came
here after marrying him in the Himalayas. Sage Agastya, who couldnot witness
Shiva and Parvati's sacred marriage, was visited by the pairafterwards. Since
Parvati was menstruating, she waited for 28 days to givedarshan to the sage.

3 Architecture

The temple is located in the heart of Chengannur, very closeto the Pamba River.
The town is considered one of the 32 Namputiri town inKerala, and Mahadeva
(Shiva) is believed to be the god of the town. Thepresiding deity Mahadeva in
the form of a lingam faces east, while the image ofhis consort Bhadrakali is
located behind it facing west. The temple isapproached through a temple tower,
built in Kerala style, and by passing agolden flagstaff, both of which are
axial to the central shrine. There areshrines around the temple in the second
precinct for Shasta and Nilagriva,while an image of Ganesha is seen in the
first precinct.

The image of Bhadrakali is made of panchaloha, an alloy offive metals. It is
believed that Perumachuten brought the image to the temple.

The temple is built in Kerala-style architecture, which iscommon in all temples
in the South Indian state of Kerala. The temple has atwo-storeyed gopuram or
gateway tower, with the upper storey having woodenrails covering the kottupura
(a hall of drum beating during festivals). Arectangular wall called the
kshetra-madilluka, pierced by gateways, enclosesall of the temple's shrines.
The metal-plated flagstaff or dvajasthambam islocated axial to the temple tower
leading to the central sanctum, and there isa deepastambha, which is a lamp
post. The chuttambalam is the outer pavilionwithin the temple walls.

The central shrine and the associated hall are located in arectangular
structure called nalambalam. Between the entrance of the nalambalamand the
sanctum, there is a raised square platform called a namaskara mandapawhich has
a pyramidal roof. Thevrapura, the kitchen used to cook offerings tothe deity is
located on the left of the namaskara mandapa from the entrance.Balithara is an
altar used for making ritualistic offerings to demigods and thefestive deities.
The central shrine called the sri-kovil houses the image ofthe presiding deity.
It is on an

CULTURAL QA 06-2024-03

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CULTURAL QA 06-2024-03

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Q1 What makes you feel that we're inKali YUGA now?

A1 GopalSardar,20h

Once the Pandavas were wondering how would be the life of thepeople in Kaliyuga.

To seek answer they all went to Krishna.

After listening to them, Krishna advised them to visit theforest and tell him 
in detail whatever strange they see there.

When they returned, Yudhisthira said that he saw an elephantwith two unusually 
big tusks. Hearing that Krishna said that in Kaliyuga peoplewill be two faced, 
the ones in power will say something and do something else.They will dominate 
and rule people.



Arjuna said that he saw a big bird, whose wings have theteachings of the Vedas 
inscribed in it but was feeding on human flesh. To thisKrishna said that in 
Kaliyuga people would be like that, they would be educated but willalways bear 
the intention of hurting others by capturing their propertyand belongings. No 
matter how much they rise, their focus will always remain onothers property.

Bheema saw that a cow was licking her calf to the extent thatthe calf started 
bleeding. Krishna said that in Kaliyuga people will be sopossessive for their 
children that their pampering and obsession would ruintheir children. In 
Kaliyuga people will try to bind their child to the family,after which the 
child's life will stop to progress.

Krishna continued andsaid that their son will not remain theirs but will be his 
wife's possession. Their daughter will be herhusband's possession, their body 
will be possessed by death and their soul willbe possessed by the Supreme. It 
means that in Kaliyuga no one will remain forone another.

Nakul said he saw many wells in the forest, all filled withwater except the one 
in the centre. To this Krishna said that in Kaliyuga mostpeople will have 
enough of wealth, they won't hesitate to spend their moneylavishly in all kinds 
of petty stuff. They will spend lots of money in throwingbig parties and feasts 
for smallest occasions where enough of food will be wasted but they would 
nevercare to feed the hungry i.e. in Kaliyuga , people will be wealthy but will 
lackconscience and sympathy to help the poor.

Sahadev saw a big rock was tumbling down . Neither hills norhuge trees could 
stop it but was stopped when it touched a small plant .Krishna smiled and said 
that in Kaliyuga people would lack intellect and theirlife would often tumble. 
They would be unable to come out of devastatedsituations even with their money 
or status but would be saved by a pious little soul.

 

The current time period definitely falls under Kaliyuga, alsoknown as Iron Age 
.Whatever forecast or predictions Lord Krishna made on Kaliyuga is now 
appearingto be true because…

This age is witnessing hypocrisy and instability like neverbefore.

Human nature is significantly corrupted by the temptations ofsin and only a 
fickle of conscience remain.

This age highlights man's unprecedented longing formaterialism.

Credit : Now INDIA ; ANCIENT HISTORY LISTS

Q2 How can I make my brain sharper,smarter, and lightning fast?

Hare Meadow, May 14

1. First thing in the morning just put on your shoes and gofor a run or cycling 
for at least about 30-40mins.

2. Get rid of hot water baths. Cold bath refreshes your entire nervous 
systemmaking you fresh in thoughts.

3. Play a lot of chess with computer at least two games aday.

4. Read, read and read a lot. Read things that are new to youand informative. 
Stop watching stupid movies and useless publicity news channeland page3 news.

Read simple physics or do some basic high school mathexercises.

5. Spend lots of time with the youth, preferably collegefolks or high school 
buddies. They have the innovative minds.

6. Numbers, play a lot with numbers, try to memorize phonenumbers of all of 
your friends and close people and make sure to dial theirnumber rather than 
calling from the contact list or call log.

7. Learn the art of calmness and get rid ofanger. Makes you a smarter decision 
maker. In any tense situation thinkbefore you react.

8. Make it a point to speak at least to one stranger a day atyour office or 
surrounding and try to remember their names and what they do.

9. Learn a new language every year. Also speak in multiplelanguages through out 
the day.

10. Start playing a new sport and try to be at least anintermediate player in 
it.

11. Be curious be hungry, ask questions to yourself abouteverything that you 
are curious about and find answers to it.

12. Eat only what is required for your body in limitedquantity. If possible eat 
foods which contain essential amino acids for braindevelopment. (Ex - sea food 
and nuts.)

13. Take a stroll down your lane before hitting the bed. Donot use your phone 
just before sleep or when in bed. Finish all

Kaipuzha Sree Krishna Temple at Kulanada Near Pandalam -

2024-06-03 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


KaipuzhaSree Krishna Temple at Kulanada

NearPandalam -

Dear friends,

As I understood from my late father, when I was about 1 yearold, he got 
transfer to Pandalam Government middle school from Tiruvalla, whereI was born. 
On the 4th year so after one Poojayetuppu (Navarathri-saraswathi pooja), I was 
sent to a nearby variasar who taught basic Malayalamletters, words, basic 
mathematics etc. I recollect writing in river sand spreadin the veranda.

Till I was about twelve years my home was under Pandalam P.O.I had all 
education from Primary to College at Pandalam. My college, PandalamNSS College 
was still undergoing construction works, when I completed my degreecourse.  Now 
it is a college offeringPostgraduate courses. 

My home is in the first road behind the Kaipuzha Sree Krishnatemple, on the 
opposite side of the road, my Periappa’s home (2ndgeneration) was there. Only 
members surviving now in the 3rdgeneration are I and his youngest son, 1 year 
younger to me. Inhabitants of my rebuilthome and the new home built by me there 
are by my elder brother’s children. 

It was routine to take bath in the Achhankovil river (havinga three river Ghats 
close to the temple), and pray at the Kaipuzha temple, getprasadam and apply 
sandal paste there itself. This included royal familymembers also.

Before Generations, our home was purchased from a Nairfamily. Probably their 
Kavu was there in the South east corner of areapurchased by us, once while 
digging, a Nagayakshi idol was found by grandfather and itwas placed in the 
temple in a position suggested, in the sreebhootha Bali area.

Before any functions or if snakes are found in the compound, oilmassage is 
given to the idol, turmeric applied; it is observed the snakes arenot seen from 
then onwards. In addition, offering is given to Mannarasala templealso.

The following is brief information about the temple.  Hope a divine reading.

Gopalakrishnan 3-6-24. 

1. Introduction

Kaipuzha Sree Krishna temple is located at Kulanada Panchayatnear Pandalam in 
Pathanamthitta district, Kerala. The main deity worshipped inthe temple is Lord 
Krishna in Santhanagopala murthy sankalpam. The idol of Kaipuzha SreeKrishna is 
facing east.

It is told the temple was built by Kaipuzha swaroopam. 

There is separate sanctum for Indalayappan (Lord Ganesha) andYakshi. The roof 
above the idol is open for Indalayappan. The idol has noproper shape. The doors 
of the small yakshi temple are partially opened.

Very close within 20 feet is a Siva temple owned by the royalfamily.  After 
Devaprasna, Naga devathasand Brahma rakshas  are installed about 2decades back, 
in the temple premises in the western side. A flag mast is newlyerected with 
copper Ura. The temple is under Travancore Devaswam board. 

About half a kilometre away there is Kulanada Bhagavathitemple. About half a 
kilometre away is famous Pandalam Valiya koikkal sasthatemple, from where 
Thiruvabharanam starts to adorn Sabarimala sastha on Makaravilakku day. 

There is a hangingbridge newly constructed across the river connecting Pandalam 
sasthatemple and Kaipuzha Krishnaswamy temple, reducing the distance still 
lesser. Thiswas inaugurated by CM late Umman Chandi. This is in addition to the 
main bridgeacross the river in the MC Road.  

About 5 KMs towards west is famous Thazhathu mahadevartemple  . About 5 KM 
toward East isPulikkunnil sastha temple. 

After renovation of the temple during 1963’s , for about ayear  I was assistant 
to Thazhamonnampoothiri, who performed poojas on Saturdays in the temple. 
ThazhamonNampoothiri is the thanthri in sabarimala temple.

It is believed that there is a secret tunnel connectingKaipuzha Sree Krishna 
temple with Pandalam palace on the southern side of theriver. There is a well  
in the north eastcorner. Water from the temple is used for daily poojas. 

The 8-day annual festival ends on Thiruvonam nakshatra inMeenam month (March – 
April) with arattu. Aarattu is done in the Achhan kovil river.I recollect a lot 
of persons  also dippedalong with Lord idol held by Melsanthi. 

The deity is Sree Krishna as a young boy. It has becomefamous for the Uri 
vazhipadu that is believed to be effective for fulfillingall desires of the 
devotees.

Santhana gopalam Kathakali is performed  by couples not having children even 
afteryears of marriage. At least one child is born after performing the 
kathakali. 

There is a spacious Nandavanam on the North side of thetemple . 

The temple is built in area of about 2 acres land. A small separationwall is 
made now, separating with Siva temple owned by Royal family. 

2 Inside the temple

While entering from East side,  after the flag mast there is valiya balikkal.In 
the two supporting granite pillars on the east side two young women holdinglamp 
are carved. It is told the idols are of Ganga and Saraswathi. 

Then there is an area before the main doors, having  wide granite slabs laid on 
either side atabout 3 feet height. During

Re: [KeralaIyers] Photo from N Sekar

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 I am not able to control my laugh reading about exit pole result in 
schools.Gopalakrishnan

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CULTURAL QA 06-2024-02

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Q1 What is the funniest anecdote aboutthe great Winston Churchill?

A1 Alessandro13,Apr 5

You should know that Winston Churchill 's greatestpolitical rival served in the 
ranks of the Conservative Party just like him,also due to the weakness of the 
Labor Party in that precise historical period.

Her name was Nancy Astor , and she had been the firstwoman to be read MP and 
sit in the House of Commons in the United Kingdom.

During a debate between the two, Churchill mocked herthis way:

 Nancy Astor:«Winston, know this: if you were my husband I wouldn't think for a 
moment aboutputting a few drops of poison in my coffee»

  WinstonChurchill: «Nancy, know this: if you were my wife I wouldn't think for 
a momentabout drinking that coffee in one gulp»

Q2 Can you tell a story from thePanchatantra?

A2 ChauhanBabu Nath, Sat

A farmer lived in a village. The farmer was old buthis wife was young. She 
always had her eyes on men. One day a thug saw thewoman leaving the house 
alone. The thug followed the woman.

When the woman reached a secluded place, the fraudstercame to her and said, “My 
wife has died and I like you, so come with me.”

The woman said, "If that is the case then I amready to come with you because my 
husband has become old and is not able tomove around. He has a lot of wealth. I 
will bring that money which will help usto spend our life comfortably."

The thug said, "Okay, you come to this placetomorrow at dawn and then we will 
move forward together from here."

The woman came home and waited for her husband tosleep. When her husband fell 
asleep, she tied all the money and jewellery in abundle and in the morning she 
reached the same place where she met the thug.

Both of them started their journey together from thatplace. After walking a 
long distance from the village, they came across a deepriver. If I take this 
woman with me, then surely someone will come looking forher and I will be in 
trouble. So I should somehow grab her wealth and get ridof her.

Thinking this, the thug said, "The river is verydeep, I will not be able to 
cross the river with you and the goods. So I willfirst take the goods to the 
other side and then I will help you cross the riverby making you sit on my back.

 

The woman agreed to his words and gave the bundle ofmoney to the thug. The thug 
said, “Give me your jewellery and heavy clothes tooso that it will be easy to 
cross the river next time.”

The woman did as the thug said. The thug took all thegoods and went to the 
other side of the river but did not return.

The woman became worthless because of heractions.

Lesson:- Oneshould never adopt the wrong path for one's own benefit.

Q3 What are the some lesser knownfacts about lord Vishnu?

A3 GopalSardar,9h

This is a very interesting but somewhat less knownstory outside Odisha.

Jahangir Kuli Khan, also known as Lalbeg was theSubedar of Bengal for one year 
during the reign of Jahangir, the Mughal empire.

During one of his military excursions in Odisha hecame across a young widowed 
Bhramin lady returning from her bath. Sheimmediately caught his fancy with her 
beauty and he abducted her and marriedher.

Salabeg was born to them and his father raised him tofight in the military.

But in a battle Salabeg was seriously injured and hisfather left him and his 
mother as he found Salabeg cannot survive.

His mother tried so muck ways to cure him but all inVain.

Finally his mother gave up all hopes and told her sonto chant Hare Krishna 
continuously and Krishna will cure him.

Though Salabeg didn't believe it initially he finallyagreed to chant it to live.

He started chanting day and night in his death bed.

After two days Lord Krishna came in his dream andshowed a place where a 
medicine is kept for his disease.

When Salabeg woke up he came to the place shown byKrishna and surprisingly 
found the medicine there and got overwhelmed.

He got cured the next day and he left his militarycareer and went to live in 
Vrindavan.

One of his neighbors told him about Jagannath rathyatra of Odisha and asked him 
to visit it. So he decided to pay a visit.

But he was late and he prayed Krishna to wait for him.

Puri Jagannath chariot stopped!

The Temple Management and others tried numerous waysto move the chariot but in 
vain. Finally they decided to build a temple in thatplace.

 

Salabeg came running there and pulled the rope and thechariot moved to 
everyone's surprise.

THE CHARIOT WHICH DID NOT MOVED FOR TEN ELEPHANTSMOVED FOR AN MUSLIM DEVOTEE!

After hearing his story the Temple Management praisedhim and built a memorial 
for him in that place.

Still today there is a tradition of stopping thechariot in that place in the 
memory of salabeg. This

Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd - what it takes to be an Event Manager

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 Dear Mr Sekar,
So, event management is clearly told.Gopalakrishan

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 *Event Management :*藍藍藍
During dinner at wedding function, Bride's worried father rushed to Event 
Manager and whispered in his ear : All are taking Carrot Halwa only, nobody is 
taking Gulab Jamun. What will we do if Halwa gets finished and Jamun is so much 
surplus ? My prestige is at stake!!
"Don't worry at all, Sir. I will set it right." Said the Event Manager. Then he 
dialled a number and said, " Hello, Sanjay, listen carefully. Remove Monica  
from Halwa desk and shift her to Jamun desk. In her place, ask Abdul Chacha  
to serve Halwa."

*You can't be a successful event Manager just like that !"*
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Re: [iyer123] Mahaperivaa ...Ten Commandments

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A person should at least TRY to live adhering to the ten
commandments.Gopalakrishnan

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#MahaPeriyava"Dasopadesam" or "The Ten Commandments" of Sri Maha Periyava
Jagadguru Pujya Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi Swamigal
1. One of our duties as human beings is to avail ourselves of every opportunity
to do good to others. The poor can serve others by their loyal work to the
country and the rich by their wealth to help the poor. Those who are
influential can use their influence to better the condition of the lowly. That
way we can keep alive in our hearts a sense of social service.
2. Man by himself cannot create even a blade of grass. We will be guilty of
gross ingratitude if we do not offer first to God what we eat or wear - only
the best and choicest should be offered to Him.
3. Life without love is a waste. Everyone should cultivate "Prema" or love
towards all human beings, bird and beast.
4. Wealth amassed by a person whose heart is closed to charity, is generally
dissipated by the inheritors: but the family of philanthropists will always be
blessed with happiness.
5. A person who has done a meritorious deed will lose the resulting merit if he
listens to the praise of others or himself boasts of his deeds.
6. It will not do good to grieve over what has happened. If we learn to
discriminate between good and evil, that will guard us from falling into the
evil again.
7. We should utilise to good purpose, the days of our life time. We should
engage ourselves in acts which will contribute to the welfare of others rather
than to our selfish desires.
8. We should perform duties that have been prescribed for our daily life and
also be filled with devotion to God.
9. One attains one's goal by performance of one's duties.
10. Jnana is the only solvent of our troubles and sufferings.
Jaya Jaya Shankara Hara Hara Shankara!!Sarvam Sri Krishnarpanam CheersRama

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Re: [iyer123] Thoughts

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 Mr  Rama,
>From my side a small addition- Knowing a GOOD person is like 
>music,...Gopalakrishnan

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 *Knowing a person is like Music, What attracts us to them is their Melody, 
And as we get to know who they are, We learn their lyrics..!!*
CheersRama

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THIRUMANDHAMKUNNU TEMPLE-FORWARD

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THIRUMANDHAMKUNNUTEMPLE-FORWARD

Dear friends,

During the year 1997, my elder brother’s second son’smarriage was conducted in
the marriage hall of Thirumandhamkunnu SreeBhagavathy Temple. It was the first
time I was visiting the temple. At thattime, I was working as Divisional
Engineer at Calicut.

My daughter’s marriage was also within days, so the marriageinvitation was
placed at Devi’s feet and after blessing got it. Then only sendto relatives.
Our member Sri Venkat Raman resides about 7 KMs ahead of thetemple at
Perinthalmanna.

The information is compiled from Wikipedia (since the templewebsite is not
accessible due to some technical problem) and a Video inYou-Tube about the
temple. Hope a Divine reading.

Gopalakrishnan 2-6-24

1.Introduction

ശ്രീ തിരുമാന്ധാംകുന്ന് ഭഗവതി ക്ഷേത്രം

District Malappuram

Deity Bhadrakali(Sree Parvathy/ Durga/ Maha Kali)

Festivals 11 dayPooram in March–April

Thirumandhamkunnu Temple is a historically significant Hindutemple in
Angadipuram, which was the capital of Valluvanad Rajavamsham, inMalappuram
district, Kerala state, South India. The temple deity,Thirumandhamkunnil amma,
was the paradevatha (official goddess) of the kings ofValluvanad, the local
feudal kings ruled the area in the Middle Ages. The Nairwarriors (called
Chavers, literally "martyrs") of Valluvanad king setout from this temple to
Thirunavaya, to participate in the famous Mamankamfestival. A memorial
structure called the chaver thara ("platform of themartyrs") can be found in
front of the main entrance of the ThirumanthamkunnuTemple.

2 .Deities

The temple is also an important pilgrim center, especiallyfor the
eleven-day-long annual festival celebrated in March and April months ofthe
Gregorian calendar. The "principal deity" of temple is Lord Shiva. But
thefamous deity is Sree Bhadrakali or Sree Parvathy, locally known
asThirumandhamkunnilamma and Ganesha, for whom the famous marriage oblation
(Mangalya Puja) isperformed.

Devotees believe Mangalya puja will remove obstacles forone's marriage.
Thirumandhamkunnilamma is considered the Supreme Mother,Shakthi Devi in
Hinduism.

Bhadrakali believed to be born from the third eye of lordShiva to kill the
demon king Daruka.Bhadra means good and Kali means goddess of time. Bhadrakali
is worshiped forprosperity and salvation. Devi is considered as the creator,
protector,destroyer, nature & kundalini. Mangalya Puja, Rigveda Laksharchana,
Chandattam and Kalampattuare the important religious offerings of the
Thirumanthamkunnu Temple.

My note- Muttarakkal( Breaking of coconut totwo halves) and telling prophecy
is alsoconducted in the temple.

There are two lengthyflag masts, one for LordSiva and one for Devi, newly
erected after Deva prasna

There are ceremonies and rituals specific to this Hindutemple that are not
carried out at others. The Thirumanthamkunnu Templecourtyards are on a hilltop
that provides a view of the countryside spread outbelow.

3 Legend surroundingThirumanthamkunnu Temple

King Mandhata of Surya dynasty ruled his kingdom for a longperiod. He then gave
away the kingdom to his successors and chose to meditateon supreme god Shiva
and attain the Shiva's feet at the end

Shiva was pleased with his penance appeared before the kingMandhata and offered
him any boon at Mount Kailash. The king prayed to the lordfor an idol to
worship till his death. Shiva gave him the most holy ShivaLingam which was too
dear to him and which used to be worshipped by Parvati andthen the god
disappeared.

Carrying the Shiva Lingam on head, King Mandhata started hisdownward journey
from Mount Kailash and reached the hill now known as"Thirumandhamkunnu" in
Kerala.

A spring withcrystal-clear water flowed along the northern slope of the hill.
Many beautifulbirds chirped in the jungle. Wild animals like lion, tiger, and
elephant roamedabout in the wilderness in full harmony forgetting their
traditional enmity.Different kinds of trees and plants grew in the region and
gave out sweet smellinto the atmosphere. The surrounding attracted the king.
Feelings of idol onhis head heavy he placed it on the ground at immediately the
Shiva Lingam gotstuck into the earth.

Shiva had gifted theShiva Lingam to the king when his consort Parvati was away
for her bath.

When Parvati turned up for worship the Shiva Lingam was notthere. She got upset
on enquiry she knew that it was presented to the KingMandhata, by her husband.
Being too much attached to it she wanted the ShivaLingam back. Shiva told her
that he had no objection in her trying to get itback.

Parvati now asked Bhadrakali and a host of bhoothas to rush upand get back
the Shiva Lingam from the King. With the army of bhootha,Bhadrakali reached the
northern slope of Thirumandha hill. The brightnessemitted by the Shiva Lingam
installed by king Mandhata was so great that itdazzled the eyes of Bhadrakali
and the bhoothas and they were unable to move

Re: [iyer123] Thoughts

2024-05-31 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Respected sir,
Very very correct lines. Thank you very much for posting these positive
thoughts in the morning now.
I read your "thoughts" everyday.

But how to know good people? Some people's behavior appear very good, suddenly
they will change their nature. if a person is admired good by most, we may also
accept him as Good. Only possible way.

I had a lecturer taught us code rules of the department. He showed his simple
dress he was wearing, telling he was not affordable to purchase a Terlin shirt
(1966's). He was such a strict person, but in later period in the field as an
officer, his behavior was much different...

Many persons behave very good, but with inner motives. Sometimes persons we may
consider bad, may be having pure heart and all his bad activities may be for
achieving something good
Gopalakrishan

On Saturday, 1 June, 2024 at 10:00:02 am IST, Rama
wrote:

*The importance of good people in our life is just like the importance of
heartbeats,*
*It's not visible but* *silently supports our life ..*
CheersRama

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TIRUNELLI MAHAVISHNU TEMPLE -2 FORWARD

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TIRUNELLIMAHAVISHNU TEMPLE -2 FORWARD

Continuedfrom part 1  

10 Importance

Thirunelli is a unique place where one would experiencecommunion of nature with 
the divine forces. Thus it becomes an ideal spot forpilgrimage as well as an 
idyllic location for enjoying the nature’s bounties.Sunrise on the Brahamagiri 
at the back drop of Thirunelli temple is anenthralling sight. Papanasini, 
Pinnappara, Panchatheertham and Gunnika Templeare the other places of 
importance for the pilgrims who come with ardour anddevotion.

11 Papanasini

It is a wild stream that originates from the Brahmagiri Hillswhich later joins 
River Kalindi. It is almost 400 mtrs away from the temple, onits western side. 
Literally it means, extinguisher of sins. It is believed that River Ganga 
andRiver Saraswathi join in Papanasini. 

Therefore Papanasini is called the Southern Kashi. A ritualdip in Papanasini is 
believed to wash one away, of all worldly sins committedin a life time. If we 
immerse the ashes of the dead in Papanasini, it isequivalent to that of doing 
Karmas(Rituals ) in Gaya. 

My note- Now a separate area is earmarkedfor immersing holy ashes in 
Papanasini. Not the place where Balikarma isperformed.

At Papanasini there is a sacred rock called Pinnappara where ritualofferings to 
the spirits of the departed are made (known as bali). Peoplebelieve that 
Parasurama, the famous incarnation of Lord Vishnu visitedThirunelli and 
performed last rites at the death of his father sage Jamadagni.He also took 
immersion in the Papanasini to wipe away sins committed owing tothe 
annihilation of Kshatriyas. 

The ashes of Rajiv Gandhi was immersed in Papanasini in 1991.Papanasini 
(destroyer of sins) has an interesting story to reveal. 

When Brahma was consecrating Vishnu’s idol Garuda (thecarrier of Vishnu) 
reached over the sky, above the installation venue with theAmrit Kumbha (pot of 
nectar). During Garuda’s circling over, a drop of Amritfell on the stream, 
which provided purifying power to the water in the stream.After that incident 
the stream came to be called Papanasini. Papanasini later joins in RiverKalindi 
which is a tributary of River Kabani which later joins in River Kaveri.

12 Pinnappara 

This rock is supposed to be the bone of an asuran (demon)named Pazhana-bhedi, 
who was killed by Vishnu. At the time of his death heprayed to Vishnu that his 
bodybe converted into a rock extending from Thirunelli to Gaya and divided 
intothree parts fit for the performance of offerings for the departed, at 

(1)Thiurnelli representing his foot, (2)Godavari representingthe middle part, 
and (3)Gaya representing the head. 

Offerings at any of these three places are supposed to havespecial benefits in 
producing happiness and in the propitiation of the spirits.

In Thirunelli ritual offerings to the spirits are made atPinnappara, especially 
on the New Moon days of the Malayalam monthsKarkkidakom, Thulam and Kumbham.

It is believed that Sri Rama and his brother Lakshmanaperformed the 
‘pithrukarma’ of their father King Dasaratha, standing on thisrock.

13 Panchatheertham

The steps at the back of the temple actually leads to thetank Panchteertham. It 
is believed that Panchteertham, at one point of time wasa meeting point of five 
rivers. Hence its sacred importance was immense. Buttoday most of the water has 
dried up and the only remaining attraction is the footsteps of Vishnu, 
Vishnupad.It is the image of a footprint on a boulder in the middle of the 
tank.  

 

14 Gunnika Temple

As you walk from Thirunelly temple to Papanasini along theriverbank , somewhere 
midway on your left, a small bridge appears. Cross thisto go to a cave temple 
called Gunnika temple dedicated to lord Siva. Legend isthat a fruit ( again 
Nelli fruit ) plucked by a pilgrim was turned into aPhallus (Shiva linga), as 
he was finishing bath in the Papanashini. Rituals and offerings

15 Procedure forpithrubali

The flow of the pilgrims to Thirunelli Temple is not only tooffer prayers but 
also to perform the ancestral rites called Bali. Those who dothe rites have to 
observe penance. In Kerala it is in Thirunelli Temple, thelargest number of 
‘bali tharpana’ is being performed every day.

It is desirable that those who come for ancestral rites mayreach the temple on 
the eve itself, so that they can conveniently pay the feeat the Devaswam 
Counter and get the receipt. The fee is to be paid in the name of the performer 
andnot in the name of the deceased.

When one person alone is performing the rites, it is called“oraalpindam”. But 
one who has remitted the fee for “oraalpindam” can do theobsequies for all the 
dead ancestors of the ‘tharavaad’ whom he knows and notknows. The fee for 
“oraalpindam” is Rs 43. This include Rs.35, the share toThirunelli Temple and 
Rs.8, the share to Thrissilery Temple (for vilakkumaala).There is facility for 
the related family members also to sit together and dothe rites along with the 
main performer. This is

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-31

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CULTURAL QA 05-2024-31

All the below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  31-05-2024.

Quora answers may  not be 100% correct answers.

Compiled and posted by R. Gopalakrishnan,  on 31-05-2024

Q1 What are examples of presence of mind during interview?

A1 DipeshKarki, Co-founder & CTO @ lendenclub.com6y

Despite having an excellent GPA and a good portfolio,Prashant was Mr. Reject 
during our in-campus recruitment days. If a recruiterintended to hire 10 from 
the 11 finalists, he would end up becoming the onlyreject. Call it frustration 
or acceptance, he started becoming casual about therejections now.

One day this company (probably Fluor Daniel) came forrecruitment. Prashant made 
it to the final interview with HR. As usual,Prashant was prepared to get 
rejected hence was just participating in theQ HR then asked,

HR: Ok Prashant, tell me about a moment that you regretoften.

Me: Well sir it was during my 7th semester math exam when Iwas rushing to 
finish the last 2 questions, and a friend behind me was lookingdesperately for 
an answer to a question that would help him pass. I, on theother hand just 
wanted to finish all my answers even though I had alreadywritten enough to 
score A+. Despite his multiple requests to show the answer, Iwent on writing 
mine, ignoring his plea. The final bell rang, I did my paperand left the hall. 
20 days later, Results were out, I scored 93/100 and myfriend failed because I 
didn't help him. I will regret that moment forever.

 (Interviewer must havejudged my arrogance and guilt yet continued asking more 
questions.)

10 mins later,

HR: So Prashant, how creative are you?

Me: You just saw my creativity 10 mins ago.

***Ultimate Swag ***

He was the only candidate to get selected.

Q2 Why do Indians hesitate to sleep in the evening from 4-7pm?

A2 BhuvanaRameshwar, Lives in India (1980–present)Updated Feb 22

We were strictly trained by our parents not to sleep in thetime say 4pm to 7pm. 
Even our relatives, hostel mates, neighbours and friendslook down on us if we 
sleep in these pre and post Sunset hours . In fact athome we are asked to 
freshen up and have our evening hot milk or coffee withsnacks, this is followed 
in hostels too.

Our grandmothers advised us saying this is the time Lakshmi(goddess of wealth) 
visits our house. That is why we should be pleasant andfresh enough to receive 
Her. Otherwise she sees a sleepy, lazy house and walksaway leaving the house to 
poverty, debt and problems. In our house by 4pm themaid even swept the front 
entrance, courtyard, sprinkled water and drew a kolam(rangoli) as a welcome to 
our goddess, meanwhile our mother lit the lamp in thepooja room promptly. We 
also switched on our main entrance, hall, kitchen lightat 6pm promptly.

Scientifically if we sleep at odd hours we miss out minglingwith others, feel 
lazy to have tea and snacks and sulk at dinner time beingstill sleepy. We also 
become fresh like an owl later at night when the wholeworld sleeps.

Only babies, sick people, very old people, and those doing night duty cansleep 
at odd hours. Others no. If sleepy, go wash your face and drink coffee.

Q3 What are some of the most mind-blowing facts?

A3 AayushiRaj, Traveller and Blogger2h

Do you know The World’s First Vegetarian City???

First legally vegetarian city on Earth! Here meat and eggsare illegal, as well 
as any activity involving their production.

It is the Indian cityof Palitana.

It located in the Bhavnagar district of Gujarat in India, itis counted among 
the purest and most revered destination for those who followJainism. In fact, 
it is absolutely illegal to kill animals for eating purposeshere, and selling 
eggs or meat is a strict no.

Palitana, about 50 km southwest of Bhavnagar, holds therecord of being the only 
mountain with more than 900 temples in the wholeworld! For Jains, all the 
Palitana temples, along with the mountain areabsolutely important from a 
religious viewpoint. It is also the most sacredpilgrimage centres or (tirtha) 
for the Jain community and is considered theworld's largest temple complex.

The reason

Back in the year 2014, the government put a ban on animalslaughter in the 
region and since then, not a single animal has been killedhere. The ban was 
implemented when around 200 Jain monks protested by going ona hunger strike to 
show the government that they'd prefer to die than lettinganimal slaughter and 
consumption allowed in the area.

The monks demanded to get all the 250 butcher shops to beshut down and the 
state government was forced to do so. Thus, the city wasdeclared a meat-free 
zone. However, dairy products are still allowed and peoplein the city consume 
milk, ghee, butter, etc.

This is because Palitana is home to hundreds of temples, andis also a major 
pilgrim centre for Jains. It is said that their saviour,Adinatha, once walked 
its hills and the place has been important for

Re: [iyer123] RSVP

2024-05-31 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Sir,
In Trivandrum there is a Thulu potti hotel in the west Nada, famous for very
hot rasavada.Gopalakriishnan

On Friday, 31 May, 2024 at 02:19:56 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer
wrote:

Dear folks
Sometimes, rasa-vadai cannot compete with thairu-vadai, especially after the
end of a strenuous office-day.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 2:48 PM 'venkat giri' via iyer123
wrote:

RSVP...Rasam ,Sambar,Vadai
*The battle for Sambar or Rasam*
*Resplendent Rasam or Super Sambar*
1. Sambar and Rasam, like Vasishtar & Vishwamithrar, are kulagurus of *Tamil
lunches & dinners.* 2. Both have an army of admirers & at times one is
substituted for the other. 3. In marriage lunches, they go together & in our
homes, for the day to day lunches & dinners, we either prepare sambar or rasam
but less frequently both.4. For Sambar in Palakkadu, they use ground & grated
coconut, whereas in Tamil Nadu, sambar powder is preferred. 5. Availability of
coconuts & pulses determine this & one is not necessarily superior to the
other. 6. However, for marriage lunches, arachuvitta sambar (sambar with grated
coconut) alone is preferred.7. Sambar using sambar powder is looked down upon
as if it plays for the B team.8. Rasam does not entertain such distinction.
Rasam powder is universally used.9.Sambar has to face stiff competition from
Morkhuzhambu, Vettakhuzhambhu, ghothsu & pitlaw & it either over shadows or is
overshadowed by them.10. Rasam fears no such alien threats save the competition
from the Rasam species itself.11. Like Manchester United & Real Madrid Football
Clubs followers, the Rasam protagonists are categorised into two fiercely
competing groups:(a).those who take their Rasam with the sediments
(kalakkivitta Rasam(b) those who would prefer the sediments to remain in the
container (thelivu rasam). 12. Orderliness demands that thelivu rasam group
should have its serving first so that kalakkivitta Rasam group can have the
rest to its heart' s content.13.Lime Rasam dispenses with tamarind & is
healthy.14. However, Pepper Rasam, Jeera Rasam & Kandanthippili Rasam have
therapeutic value & hence are prepared as medicinal prescriptions. 15.They are
taken to come out of certain ailments. Pepper Rasam is prepared for those whose
temperature level is above 100 degrees. 16.Mysore Rasam has all ingredients &
it appeals to our palate. 17. If pure Rasam is like a Semmangudi Swaraprasthara
subtleties, Mysore Rasam, like modern day Dire Strait's "Sultans of Swing",
stirring the youngsters soul. 18. For a few garlic Rasam is the greatest. 19.
However, it has equally powerful enemies, though garlic wins bidding approvals
from doctors.20. Sambar cannot end our meals. It is not a finisher like Dhoni.
21. Invariably it has to be followed by Rasam or Thair Saadam.22.Rasam is
independent & can stand apart, alone.23. When someone is not well, Rasam alone
is prescribed, a privilege that sambar looks at with envy.24. Vadai when soaked
in sambar is known as Sambar vadai, where the prominence is given to the vadai.
25. However, when vadai is soaked in Rasam which is known as Rasa vadai, Rasam
steals the show. 26. One can drink cupfuls of Rasam. If one tries to drink
sambar in a cup, his sanity would be tested - another snub again to sambar.27.
As barbeque is connected with a grill & rotis and nans are linked to tandoors,
sambar boiled in a kalchatti assumes a significant flavour. 28. Rasam boiled in
Kumbhakonam made eeyachombu, lords over our lunches and dinners.29. When we
take rice, quantity of Rasam dominates. In sambar rice, high quantity of sambar
is frowned upon.30. In addition to its intrinsic merits, Rasam is also enjoyed
for one more reason. 31. In marriage lunches, Rasam is followed by payasam.
32. If Rasam comes, can Payasam be far behind, a poet Shelley may have sung
today.33. Milagu Rasam in Western garbs has become mulaguthanni soup in star
hotels.34. In fact, Rasam is a precursor to many modern day soups.35. Software
techies from South India would enjoy their cupfuls of in chosen Rasam even
while embarking upon their coding endeavours.
RegardsV.SridharanTrichy

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THIRUNELLI MAHAVISHNU TEMPLE-1 FORWARD

2024-05-31 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


THIRUNELLI MAHAVISHNU TEMPLE-1 FORWARD

Dear friends,

When I got promotedand posted to Calicut telecom as Divisional Engineer in 
1996, my co- lecturerMr Sankaranarayanan inTrivandrum Training centre told me- 
Sir, please visit Tirunelli temple at aconvenient time and offer three handful 
of water to ancestors in Papanasinsi. 

After a year whileinstalling new telephone exchange at Mananthavadi, my 
Assistant Engineer MrGopinathan Nair told me- We will visit Tirunelli temple on 
completion ofinstallation. I felt it was time to visit the temple. 

We went by Jeepthrough the narrow road inside forest and reached the temple. 
The crude graniteworks in the temple made me to think, the temple would have 
been built longback. After worshipping in the temple and offering three 
handfuls of waterremembering ancestors we returned back to Kozhikode, my 
headquarters.

I was watchingvideos in You-tube about Tirunelli temple and papanasini and 
ancestortharpanam/bali. A lot of changes have come in the last 2.5 decades. The 
road isbroad 2 lanes, regular buses are there and arrangements for parking 
andresidence are there. Renovation works are in progress, completed in some 
areas,due to a court stay, temporarily withheld.

The informationprovided is compiled from the temple website itself. Hope a 
devotional reading

Gopalakrishan31-5-24

1.  Introduction

ThirunelliTemple is the only temple in the world where the devotees can perform 
all therituals related to one’s life, starting from birth to death and life 
afterdeath.

It is one of themost ancient temples in Kerala. It is believed that here the 
prathishta of LordVishnu was performed by Lord Brahma. It is also known as 
''Sahyamala Kshetram''and ''Kashi /Gaya of the South''.

Thirunelli Templedraws pilgrims from all over, primarily for ancestral rites. 
The rituals areperformed on the banks of the stream Papanasini which flows down 
from MountBrahmagiri. It is believed that this stream has divine power to 
dissolve sinsof all the mortals. Another major attraction of the temple is the 
holy rockwhere people pray for their forefathers.

On the western sideof the temple is the cave temple Gunnika, dedicated to Lord 
Shiva. ThusThirunelli becomes blessed by the unique presence of all the three  
trinities. 

The beautifulBrahmagiri hills and the surrounding lush green forests have made 
the templepremises a valley of tranquillity. So everybody feels completely 
relaxed aftersitting in the sanctum of the temple. The temple is an embodiment 
of ancienttemple architecture. The aqua-duct that brings water to the temple is 
also awitness to hundreds of years of history.There is no well in the temple. 

Temple timings:Morning: 5:30 am to 12:00 pm, Evening: 5:30 pm to 8:00 pm

Contact Nos: 8547336201, 8547 244055, 04935 210201

2 Temple History

The name Thirunelliderives from the word nelli, the Malayalam/Tamil equivalent 
for Indiangooseberry (Amla) tree. Once when Lord Brahma while traversing the 
world, sawan idol of Lord Vishnu resting on an amla tree in the valley and thus 
the placecame to be named Thirunelli. In Padma Purana (written by Veda Vyasa) 
there ismention of a beautiful Vishnu temple located in the picturesque Sahya 
valleydeep in the middle of the forest. Thirunelli temple is also referred to 
asAmalaka temple and Sidha temple.



 

History depictsChera king Kulasekharan as the founder of this temple.

He lived betweenA.D 767 and A.D 834. After a brief reign, he relinquished the 
throne andstarted missionary work to propagate Vaishnava order. It was he who 
wrote theSanskrit work Mukundamaala in which he earnestly prays to Lord Vishnu 
to instilin him devotion.

On stylistic groundthis looks as a typical Kerala temple. The inner sanctorum 
is surrounded by atile roofed structure. And there’s an open courtyard around 
the sanctorum. Atthe east, in front of the entrance is a granite lamp-post. 
Curiously enough the flag post is absent, though one can spot a hole onthe 
floor where it ought to be.

Along the outerwall of the temple is a cloister made of granite pillars cut in 
cubical style.This part of the temple architecture is slightly unusual for a 
Kerala temple.And it seems the cloister work was never completed. The story 
goes that oncethe King of Coorg,tried to renovate this temple. When he was half 
way through, the VellattiriKing who owned the temple objected to the same. Thus 
renovation wasdiscontinued. Even today we can see proof of the half finished 
renovation work.

It is an undisputedfact that Thirunelliwas once an important town and pilgrim 
centre in the middle ofinaccessible jungle valley surrounded on four sides by 
mountains. The copperplates of the 10th century and a few books of the later 
centuries convincinglyprove that Thirunelli was an urban hub in South India at 
least from 10thcentury onwards. 

Also in the denseforest surrounding the temple, the ruins of two ancient 
villages can be found.Recent excavations at the time of

Re: RSVP

2024-05-31 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Sir,
I have least priority for rasam. Sambar has topmost priority, it can be used
with Tiffin iddali, dosa and along with cooked rice. Though not in the list,
thick morekuzhambu with least sour is preferred by me.Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 31 May, 2024 at 12:50:28 pm IST, Chittanandam V R
wrote:

In our home, Rasam is a must. It gets precedence over all others.
Chittanandam
On Fri, 31 May 2024, 12:18 pm venkat giri, wrote:

Re: From an elderly person

2024-05-31 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Sirs,
As Mr Sekar wrote, if he had saved, he would have gone to paid old age home. 
There is no point in blaming children or finding one superior to another. All 
children will have positives along with negatives. All fingers are similar, but 
all fingers together only can make a fist(protection to father).Gopalakrishnan

If he would have been wealthy the lamenting would not have been there.


On Friday, 31 May, 2024 at 11:03:03 am IST, N Sekar  
wrote:  
 
 Thanks.
I understand rom the write up he has nothing to give except his Blessings. 
Perhaps he feels living with just the last son (who is not that well off, as 
per the write up) will be burden to them - the couple.
Another point Sir, living with just the last son permanently may cause 
frictions in the long run (or may not).
The lesson one has to learn is 
Save enough for your retirement; put yourself first - it is not selfish.
There is a saying in Tamizh"Thankku minjithan Dhanamum Dharmamum" meaning take 
care of your self first, before you part with your money.
Had he saved (assuming he could have) he could have a lived a comfortable life 
in the Sr Citizens Home and that's why they are so popular. of course, one must 
choose it also carefully.
These stories or write ups, serve as a reminder to the readers to learn the 
right lessons.
Another Tamizh film song comes to mind "Panam Irundal Podumata Ulakile, Pasam 
Enna Nesam Enna Manadhile"
meaning, in essence, Money is everything, don't depend on love and affection. 
There may be exceptions though.
We live in Kali Kalam Sir. 
As I wrote previously, how many who blame their children had stayed with their 
parents?
N Sekar 

On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 07:00:08 AM GMT+4, Rangarajan T.N.C. 
 wrote:  
 
  Why doesn't he live with the last son and give everything he has to them

On Thursday, 30 May, 2024 at 06:34:33 pm IST, N Sekar  
wrote:  
 
 Very nice. 
Life is generally not good for the oldies without means, but for the Widowers 
it is worse.Widows manage somehow, but the men generally can't. 
Last line was superb.
God bless the likes of the last DIL.
N Sekar 
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer 
 
  On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 4:27 PM, Rama wrote:   As 
received..
"*எனக்கு 77 வயது!**⭕மனைவியை இழந்து பத்து வருடங்களாகிறது...*
*⭕இருக்கின்ற நான்கு மகன்களில்**ஒவ்வொரு மாதமும் ஒரு மகனிடம்!**இருப்பது மூன்றாவது 
மகனிடம்!*
*⭕இன்னும் நான்கு நாட்கள் இருக்கிறது**கடைசி மகனிடம் செல்ல!**இப்போதிருந்தே வயதான 
விரல்களை கொண்டு* *எண்ணிக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறேன்* *கடைசி மருமகளிடம் செல்லும் 
நாட்களுக்காக!* *⭕போன தீபாவளிக்கு இரண்டாவது மருமகள்**வாங்கித்தந்த* *வெள்ளை 
வேட்டி**பழுப்பு நிறமாகி* *பலநாட்கள் ஆகிவிட்டது!*
*⭕முதல் மகன் வாங்கித்தந்த கண்ணாடி**உடைந்து மூன்று வாரங்கள் ஆகிவிட்டது,*
*⭕இப்போது இருக்கும் கோபக்கார மகனிடம் கேட்டால்* *என்ன சொல்வானோ* *என்று* *பயந்து* 
*கண்ணாடியை* *ஒளித்து வைத்துவிட்டு**வெறுங்கண்களோடு தடுமாறிக்கொண்டு**இருக்கிறேன்!*
*⭕கடைசி மருமகளிடம் சொல்லி தான்* *மாற்றிக்கொள்ள வேண்டும்!**இன்னும் நான்கு 
நாட்கள் தான்* *என்பதால்**எல்லோரும் வேலைக்கு* *போனபின்பு* *என்னுடைய வேட்டி 
ஜிப்பாக்களை**துவைத்து வைத்துக்கொள்ள வேண்டும்,*
*⭕துணி துவைக்கும் மிஷின் இருந்தாலும்**என்னுடைய துணிகளை 
தனியாகத்தான்**போடவேண்டும் என்று சொல்லி**அவர்களின்* *ஆடையோடு கூட**ஒட்டவிடாமல் 
ஏனோ அந்நியமாக வைத்திருக்கிறாள்!*
*⭕கஷ்டமாக இருந்தாலும் மகனிடம் எதுவும் சொல்வதில்லை,**மருமகளும் சொல்லவிடுவதில்லை!*
*⭕இன்னும் நான்கு நாட்கள்தானே என்று**ஹாஸ்டலில் இருந்து ஆசையோடு**வீட்டுக்கு 
ஓடும்* *குழந்தையைப்போல்**கடைசி மருமகளின்* *வீட்டு போக**என்னுடைய உடைகளை 
நானே**ஆர்வமாக* *துவைத்துக்கொண்டிருக்கிறேன்!* 
*⭕கடைசி மகன் மற்றவர்களை போல்**கார் சொந்த வீடு என்று வசதியாக இல்லை,**வாடகை வீடு 
தான், இரண்டு பேருக்கும்* *இரண்டு மோட்டார் பைக்குகள்**இருக்கிறது!*
*⭕நான் ஊருக்கு போகும்* *போதல்லாம்ம மறுமகள் தான் ஸ்கூட்டர்* 
*எடுத்துக்கொண்டு**பஸ் ஸ்டேண்டு வருவாள்!**அந்த ஸ்கூட்டரில் உட்கார்ந்து 
கொண்டு**போவதில் அப்படி என்ன ஆனந்தமோ* *எனக்கு தெரியாது* 
*⭕என்னென்ன நடந்தது**என்று அவள்* *கேட்டுக்கொண்டே போக நான் பின்னால் உட்கார்ந்து 
வேடிக்கை பார்த்தபடி* *யாரைப்பற்றியும் எந்த குறையும்**சொல்லாமல்* *நல்லதை 
மட்டுமே**சொல்லிக்கொண்டு போவேன்!*
*⭕அவள் கெட்டிக்காரி என்பதால்**போகும் வழியில் எனக்கு பிடித்த**ரோஸ்மில்க் வாங்கி 
கொடுத்து**வேடிக்கை பார்க்கும்போது* *கண்டுபிடித்து* *விடுவாள்!*
*⭕வீட்டுக்கு போனதும் என்னுடைய**கட்டை பையை ஆராய்ச்சி செய்து**மருந்து 
மாத்திரைகளாவது சரியாக வாங்கி* *கொடுத்திருக்கிறார்களா என்று**தேடிப்பார்த்து 
திட்டுவாள்!*
*⭕அதில் அவளுக்கு பிடித்த பாதுஷா சுவீட்டை  நான் வாங்கி* *வந்திருப்பதை 
பார்த்து**சிரித்துவிடுவாள்!**இவளை ஏன் எனக்கு* *மகளாக* *பெற்றுத்தரவில்லை 
என்று**மீனாட்சியிடம் சண்டை போடக்கூட**அவள் அருகில்* *இல்லாமல் எனக்கு முன்னால்* 
*போய்* *சேர்ந்துவிட்டதில் நிறைய**வருத்தம் எனக்கு!*  *⭕நான்கு நாட்கள் 
கழித்து**பஸ்ஸில் போய் இறங்கினேன்,**எப்போதும் போல் எனக்கு முன்வந்து 
காத்திருந்தாள்!**ஓடி வந்து பையை வாங்கிக்கொண்டாள்,**ஸ்கூட்டரில் பத்திரமாக 
உட்கார**வைத்துக்கொண்டாள்,*
*⭕உங்களை ஷேவிங் பண்ண கூட**கூட்டிட்டு போகா நேரம் இல்லையாமா* *அவங்களுக்கு, அவ்ளோ 
பெரிய* *ஆளுங்களா**ஆயிட்டாங்களா* *எனும்போதே**அதெல்லாம்* *இல்லம்மா 
ரெண்டுபேரும்* *என்று* *ஆரம்பிக்கும்போதே*

Re: A morning message

2024-05-31 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Dear Mr Sekar,Last one about patience is hilarious.Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 31 May, 2024 at 11:42:26 am IST, N Sekar
wrote:

Nice. Thanks.
There are a few Tamizh sayings which convey the same meaning (in essence, and
not literal translation)
"Dhanathile Siranda Dhanam Nidhanam" meaning
Be patient, Don't rush.
"Padhariya Kariyam Sidharum"
meaning Haste results in Waste.
"Porumai Bhoomiyinum Peridhu"
meaning
Patience is greater than this world - Practice patience, it is above all else.
We had our parents (mothers) teach us all these things apart from what we
studied in school. I am sure all our mothers, like mine did, went over
meticulously what we studied in school and tested our understanding and
amplified, explained what was taught at school in their own language so it was
drilled into our minds.
I am not sure whether the present curriculum teaches moral lessons like
Athichudi
Thirukkural
Poems (Kamba Ramayanam, Naladiyar, Thirumular and others) containing valuable
lessons

Secular education teaches us to earn a living but the moral lessons teach us
how to live our lives. As my Guru used to say "Living is an Art and you have
learn that Art" which is through reading our Scriptures, Ithihasas, Puranas and
the likes.
We just stop with the story in the Ramayana but don; observe 'that Rama tells
his brother Lakshmana to practice patience (pause, pause to think - as in the
story) when the latter gets worked up on hearing Dasaratha's orders banishing
Rama to the forest.
These nuances were explained by our parents, teachers and Upanyasakars but
those days are gone.
N Sekar

On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 09:45:51 AM GMT+4, Rama
wrote:

 .. 珞“ Practice the pause. Pause before judging. Pause before
accusing. Pause whenever you’re about to react harshly and you’ll avoid doing
and saying things you’ll later regret. “…..Lori Deschene礪
CheersRama

Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd - RSVP new definition

2024-05-31 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Great Mr SekarGopalakrishnan

On Friday, 31 May, 2024 at 11:54:19 am IST, 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:  
 
 
*Did you know*?
*In South Indian wedding cards, RSVP stands for Rasam, Sambhar, Vada, Payasam.*
*In Bengali wedding cards, RSVP stands for Rasogolla, Sandesh and Varanasi Pan*
*In Gujarati wedding cards, RSVP stands for Rotli, Shaak, Vaal, Patra.*
*In Punjabi wedding cards, RSVP stands for Rum, Scotch, Vodka, Patiala 
Peg*弄Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer

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Re: [KeralaIyers] RSVP

2024-05-31 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Sir,My additions. 1) Many times thelivu of sambar is used as rasam. 2)Mysore 
rasam and sambar is added with sugar, so tastes sweet also. 
Gopalakrishnan


On Friday, 31 May, 2024 at 12:18:09 pm IST, 'venkat giri' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:  
 
 RSVP...Rasam ,Sambar,Vadai 
*The battle for Sambar or Rasam*
*Resplendent Rasam or Super Sambar*
1. Sambar and Rasam, like Vasishtar & Vishwamithrar, are kulagurus of *Tamil 
lunches & dinners.* 2. Both have an army of admirers & at times one is 
substituted for the other. 3. In marriage lunches, they go together & in our 
homes, for the day to day lunches & dinners, we either prepare sambar or rasam 
but less frequently both.4. For Sambar in Palakkadu, they use ground & grated 
coconut, whereas in Tamil Nadu, sambar powder is preferred. 5. Availability of 
coconuts & pulses determine this & one is not necessarily superior to the 
other. 6. However, for marriage lunches, arachuvitta sambar (sambar with grated 
coconut) alone is preferred.7. Sambar using sambar powder is looked down upon 
as if it plays for the B team.8. Rasam does not entertain such distinction. 
Rasam powder is universally used.9.Sambar has to face stiff competition from 
Morkhuzhambu, Vettakhuzhambhu, ghothsu & pitlaw & it either over shadows or is 
overshadowed by them.10. Rasam fears no such alien threats save the competition 
from the Rasam species itself.11. Like Manchester United & Real Madrid Football 
Clubs followers, the Rasam protagonists are categorised into two fiercely 
competing groups:(a).those who take their Rasam with the sediments 
(kalakkivitta Rasam(b) those who would prefer the sediments to remain in the 
container (thelivu rasam). 12. Orderliness demands that thelivu rasam group 
should have its serving first so that kalakkivitta Rasam group can have the 
rest to its heart' s content.13.Lime Rasam dispenses with tamarind & is 
healthy.14. However, Pepper Rasam, Jeera Rasam & Kandanthippili Rasam have 
therapeutic value & hence are prepared as medicinal prescriptions. 15.They are 
taken to come out of certain ailments. Pepper Rasam is prepared for those whose 
temperature level is above 100 degrees. 16.Mysore Rasam has all ingredients & 
it appeals to our palate. 17. If pure Rasam is like a Semmangudi Swaraprasthara 
subtleties, Mysore Rasam, like modern day Dire Strait's "Sultans of Swing", 
stirring the youngsters soul. 18. For a few garlic Rasam is the greatest. 19. 
However, it has equally powerful enemies, though garlic wins bidding approvals 
from doctors.20. Sambar cannot end our meals. It is not a finisher like Dhoni. 
21. Invariably it has to be followed by Rasam or Thair Saadam.22.Rasam is 
independent & can stand apart, alone.23. When someone is not well, Rasam alone 
is prescribed, a privilege that sambar looks at with envy.24. Vadai when soaked 
in sambar is known as Sambar vadai, where the prominence is given to the vadai. 
25. However, when vadai is soaked in Rasam which is known as Rasa vadai, Rasam 
steals the show. 26. One can drink cupfuls of Rasam. If one tries to drink 
sambar in a cup, his sanity would be tested - another snub again to sambar.27. 
As barbeque is connected with a grill & rotis and nans are linked to tandoors, 
sambar boiled in a kalchatti assumes a significant flavour. 28. Rasam boiled in 
Kumbhakonam made eeyachombu, lords over our lunches and dinners.29. When we 
take rice, quantity of Rasam dominates. In sambar rice, high quantity of sambar 
is frowned upon.30. In addition to its intrinsic merits, Rasam is also enjoyed 
for one more reason. 31. In marriage lunches, Rasam is followed by payasam. 
32. If Rasam comes, can Payasam be far behind, a poet Shelley may have sung 
today.33. Milagu Rasam in Western garbs has become mulaguthanni soup in star 
hotels.34. In fact, Rasam is a precursor to many modern day soups.35. Software 
techies from South India would enjoy their cupfuls of in chosen Rasam even 
while embarking upon their coding endeavours.
RegardsV.SridharanTrichy

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Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Sanatana dharma part 37 K R IRS 27524 26524

2024-05-29 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
Let I may be empty vessel. But clean. Things stored will not be damaged.  But 
yourself? 

You mean you are a good full vessel? Sorry. You are worse than an empty vessel. 

You are pride, you only know things. It is false pride. I am also well read, 
knowledgeble than you.
In future understand others and write in respectful language. Give respect and 
take respect. Poor IRS officer full of pride even after retirement. Be a 
cultured person sir. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 07:28:04 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 WHO ARE YOU? Now understood; empty vessel. What is an afterthought? And what 
was that before thought? How can a thoughtless empty vessel think in a brighter 
way? You shall start thinking  when you read and hear; no one can spoon feed 
you; that shows that you understand only when spoon fed; even who are you 
meaning, must be fed? You somehow think by invoking wrong persons ,you can 
rest; but you yourself is a non genuine person. So be it. Get provoked; write 
more sluts; and get to your feed time. Have a nice day and night. Beggar in 
wealth, is not a beggar in mind, that is Brahmin. You do not know or try to 
learn the words used as  Manaseeka temple or building temple by using the funds 
of the nation and remaining it etc, since you had wasted all the years in 
writing petitions only against others,  as you are doing today. Now you desire 
to be a hih flyer aalso. But Turkey cannot become a peacock because , turkey is 
to be spoon fed. Its OK; even that is an asset to review and use. KR IRS 28524
On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 01:30, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram,
Don't write as after thoughts.If a temple is constructed by a king and guided 
by a Brahmin, write so clearly. A begging Brahmin, out of his begging never can 
build a temple.  
Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 12:42:28 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Comments with grunting falls like ninepins; there was one who built the 
manseeka temple; and another out of the money of the King; so beggars can do if 
one wishes. Brahmin ruled; but why did no brahmin build any temple? That is the 
question? Had you the calibre to understand, you would not have slipped like 
this  K R IRS 27524
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 00:16, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 
 wrote:

 Respected friends,
Mr Rajaram Krishnamurthy, in a previous article quoted many references , where 
a Brahmin has to live by BEGGING.  He also continued with the word Begging 
instead of Bhiksha.

Now he makes a note-[ KR:  is there anytemple in India built by a brahmin?]

How a beggar can build a temple? Is not the note by Mr Rajaram ridiculing?

Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:20:22 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
Sanatana dharma part 37  K R IRS27524  26524

DHANA MAHIMA  5. Skandapurana and6. Varaha Purana on Go-danaas

 5. Skanda Purana (The authenticity of Skandapuranam was proved before the 
supreme court of India in the Ayodhya case) 

 Narada described to Arjun about „Daanam‟(charity), its two „hethus‟ 
(kinds, heshyam, varieties), six „Adhishthana‟(Reasons), six „Ankas‟ 
(divisions, Parties), two „Parinaamas‟ (structures, endresults or fruits), 
three bhedas (classifications) and three „Vina- Sadhanas‟ (scattered,littering, 
negative results). The two „hethus ‟as normally perceived are aboutthe size of 
the charity-small or big- as also of the quality. But such „hethus‟are not as 
important as the „shraddha‟ or dedication and devotion are. BhagavanSiva would 
be pleased only by the sincerity and pure heart that is attached tothe charity 
rather than any other aspect. 

 Again, „Dhana- Daanam‟ or the charity of money is morepopular than „Vastu 
Daanam‟or charity of material, „VastramDaanam ‟or charity of clothes etc. since 
charity of money would buy backVastu or Vastram. Then the six „Adhishthana‟ or 
reasons of Daana are: „Dharma Daana‟ without strings attached ie. Daana givento 
the Virtuous or Dharmatmas; „Artha Daana‟ keepingin view some purpose or 
utility; „Kaama Daanaa‟like favours for women, wine or such other benefits in 
view; „Lajja Daana ( can one know the meaning of Lajja homam inwedding?)  is 
due to compulsionsof Public or Society; „Harsha Daana‟ is made onreceiving good 
news and out of happiness; and „Bhayadaana‟ out of compulsion, fear or 
avoidance of risks. The six „Ankas‟ ordonor/receiver parties are as follows: 
The Positive Donors are „Daatas‟ by nature; the „Dharmatmas‟or the Virtuous; 
those desirous of donating willingly and happily; the „Vyasana rahit‟ or devoid 
of bad habits; „Pavitra‟ or Symbols of Purity and „Anindaneeya‟ or the 
blemishless. The Negative Donorsare ill mannered, indolent, evil minded, 
persons of bad habits, persons who swear to support theEvil and persons who are 
sleepy!

     Among the Good Receivers of Charity are thoseof good „Kula‟ or caste, who 
has „Vidya‟ or good Education, good „Aachaaram‟ orfamily bearing /

Re: [KeralaIyers] PITU GOTRA CONTD 28524 29524 K RAJARAM IRS

2024-05-29 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
It is utter foolishness on your part to respond in this manner. I have asked a 
serious question based on the forward by you. If you can answer please respond 
further. It appears you simply forward things, thinking members will not read 
with concentration. What is the relation between subject forwarded and the 
title? 

There is a saying- Vayil thonninathu Kothaikku pattu"  

Please respond with a sensibility,  or keep silence.Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 29 May, 2024 at 11:29:42 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 There is a level needed to understand or else will be writing only LKG rhymes 
ring a ringa roses  KR
On Wed, 29 May 2024 at 00:49, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram,
I have read the forwarded article fully. What is the topic? What is deal with?  
So many things non related are told. There is neither head nor tail. You have 
titled Pitu Gotra. Subject told has nothing to do with Gotra. 

Only thing I make out is about sacred thread. 

The ritual cord (upavīta) may be a reason for distrust.  Patrick Olivelle 
haspointed out in a recent article (2012) that the sacred thread makes 
itsappearance very late in Brahmanical literature. It is not yet known to the 
Grhyasutras and the relatively early Apastamba and Gautama Dharma sutras,  and 
is mentioned for the first time in the Baudhāyana and Vasiṣṭha Dharmasūtras, 
around thebeginning of the CommonEra.
You mean to say that Brahmins did not wore sacred thread earlier than 
Baudhayana and Vasistha Dharmasutra period? What do you mean by the above ? 

Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 29 May, 2024 at 08:48:26 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
PITU GOTRA CONTD   28524   29524 K RAJARAM IRS 

The outcome of thisBrahmanical transformation was quite extraordinary. A 
thousand years after theestablishment of the Maurya Empire (presumably a 
catastrophe for the Brahmins),Brahmanical socio-political ideology predominated 
in an immense geographicalarea, reaching from Vietnam and Indonesia at one end 
to the western frontiersof the Indian subcontinent and Afghanistan at the 
other. This dominatingpresence found expression in various ways, including the 
use of Sanskrit, thesacred language of Brahmanism, in political inscriptions, 
in courtlyliterature, and even in an important part of the literature of 
Buddhism andJainism. The American researcher Sheldon Pollock (1996;2006) has 
coined theterm ‘Sanskrit cosmopolis’ to designate this phenomenon. In order 
tounderstand the incredible success of the Brahmanical vision of society 
andpolitics, it is important to recall that it was not the outcome of 
politicalconquest or colonization. Brahmanism spread by other means than the 
force ofarms—initially in the Indian subcontinent, then also into Southeast 
Asia. The spread of Brahmanism is also nota mere matter of religious 
conversion. As noted above, Brahmanism shouldnot exclusively or even primarily 
be thought of as a religion, but as a socio-political ideology with a variable 
religiousdimension. Rulers who adopted it, did not necessarily convert

from one religion to another,and Brahmanism had no missionaries in the 
religious sense of the term. (Sheldonpollack)

 There are the well-known Kushanas dynastycoins with (Gandhara-Afghanistan 
language) Oešo/Śiva standing near the bull and bearing trident andlazo,[ “OHÞO 
is the only Brahmanic god occurring on Kaniṣka’s coinage as frequentlyas 
Iranian deities.” (Lo Muzio 1996: 163). 17: Oešo was particularly popularwith 
Vima Kadphises, who declares himself a devotee of Sarvalokeśvara, and 
withVāsudeva I, as appears from Göbl (1984: 72–74; as well as early Śiva icons. 
Weshould also carefully consider the reason why in the MahabharataŚiva is 
called ‘the God from Gandhāra’. An early schist image of Mahiṣamardinī comes 
from the site of Muhammad Zai nearPeshawar, and Saivitepenetration goes as far 
as Surkh Kotal in Bactria/Tokhāristān.  The relative invisibility of Bhāgavatas 
and Pāśupatas in early Gandhāra depends on their takingroot in rural areas 
(especially the groups ofPāśupatas) and on the fact that the trading class—an 
object of scorn forthe authors of the early Kali Age literature—did not find 
representation amongthem.

    Questions remain. What do we make ofthe Brahmins depicted in Gandharan 
sculpture? After the entry of Yavanas of theGreek changes occurred in these 
territories. The displacements from Gandaratowards Kashmir started . Presumably 
there are plenty of them. “Hermits andascetics, whether young or old, are 
always represented as typical IndianBrahmins wearing the Indian dress or dhoti 
and shawl, while their hair isarranged in a jaṭā-makuṭa or top-knot. They often 
carry a waterpot andoccasionally even their upavīta or ritual cord is 
indicated.” Elsewhere in thesame article she states (p. 33): “We can . . . draw 
some conclusions from the frescoes discovered in CentralAsia and Afghanistan 
which have been preserved due to the dry

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: True Brahmin

2024-05-29 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

NGMAN JOINED FOR TRAINING before you, to be 
trained by you; never you wrote my colleague trainee; May be in 1973 you became 
ITS and he came to be trained. So my calling kid is fair but not your YOUNG MAN 
address. Still in English it is Begging; Biksha vandanam means you beg; biksha 
means HE has to beg, even if Krishna to karnan.  I wrote by substituting words 
for a degradable word , meaning will not change. Changing the names of clerks 
will not change the work pattern. So no one today follows asking as DEHI BIKSHA 
BHAVATI BUT YOU GO ASK WILL YOU ACCEPT BY ARTICLES OF BIKSHAI BY 
PROSTRATING;this you do not do with a street beggar. So you differentiate. But 
both ask for only feeding. I had seen in those days in the pharmacy people 
asking for condoms. Same issue. It is in the mind.  Kid said 8 NO it is just 7  
But more additions were made in upa puranas. We must learn with reason. That 
Logic kid did not give the reasons and also wrongly gave whom you worship as 
you always do. And I need not claim to be as you do ; the difference is in the 
certainty of mine and inability to prove even basic things  Thank you High 
knowledged Gopalakrishnanji  K Rajaram  IRS  (not claimed)  Poor man Lets spare 
him 
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 00:36, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:

 Dear Mr Sharma,
You are hundred percent correct. Today I read in one of his postings, his  
statement - Non Brahmins have no Gothra. He forgets Kshathrias and Vaisyas are 
having Gothra.
In a response to my QA posting today, a Logic student  he call as kid and 
states even kids know the answer. He is not able to differentiate between a 
student and kid. Further he again goes in to the details  of the QA answered by 
a student- in his language kid. It was about chiranjeevees.It is not known why 
he goes on adding  the  details if a kid knows the answer.
In another posting about 3 days back he made a lot of references and stated 
Brahmins lived by begging. Today in a posting he makes a note- How many temples 
are built by Brahmins? Can a  brahmin lives by BEGGING build a temple?
Mr Rajaram, claim to be a former IRS officer finds all those as Enemies, who 
point out his lapses. 


Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:14:16 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Friends 
Apropos Shri Rama's post, wonder when all this bickering, mud slinging, abusive 
exchanges will end
Yes, I too have been provoked into this whilpool ...provoked by a foul mouthed, 
pretender, an ex-Revenue officer, known for hurling the filthiest abuses all 
around, responding in typical gibberish English and pushing lengthy cut-paste 
mainly unreadable posts. 
Is the Group Moderator so helpless that he cannot act against this repeat 
offender?
If it were a face to face conversation, I'm sure m response would have been 
different, with the ex Revenue loud mouth finding a few of his teeth pushed 
into his stonach and a permanent black eye as a response.
In the absence of that, the guy knows he's safe in his filthy den , knowing 
that he can continue his cowardly rants, howls and filthy outliurings without 
fear of harm.
.i am all the more distressed that a few worthy iyer fans of his , instead of 
counselling him, are attempting to silence those who are countering him in his 
own language and style
Anyway, let me end by saying, on a pessimistic note that what cannot be cured 
must be endured. 
Col. Laxminarayan

On Mon, 27 May, 2024, 7:10 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, 
 wrote:

 Respected Mr Rama, 

Since  your mail addressed to me also, I fully agree with your response- "Some 
individuals habitually criticize others in group forum"
I am a victim of such criticizing for any posting done by me. I can openly 
write it is Mr Rajaram. I am still not able to digest how a former IRS officer 
goes so bad.
Gopalakrishnan
 

On Sunday, 26 May, 2024 at 09:16:00 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the feedback! KR     IRS   26524

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 10:33, Rama  wrote:


Dear Sh Jambunathan Iyer Ji, Thanks for expressing your views in all frankness. 
Some individuals habitually criticize others in group forum , often with an 
audience that encourages and amplifies their negative comments. Thus there are 
cheer leaders demonstrating their worship. This only leads to:
1. Acrimony: Bitterness and ill feelings among those being criticized and the 
wider community.2. Toxic environment: Creates a hostile atmosphere where people 
feel uncomfortable sharing their thoughts or ideas.3. Groupthink: The 
"cheerleaders" reinforce the critic's opinions, suppressing diverse 
perspectives and constructive dialogue.4. Bullying: Repeated public criticism 
can be a form of bullying, causing emotional distress and silencing 
marginalized voices.5. Lack of constructive feedback: Criticism becomes focused 
on tearing down rather than providing helpful insights for growth and 
improvement.
To mitigate this, it's essential to promote a

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: True Brahmin

2024-05-29 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

ds 
for a degradable word , meaning will not change. Changing the names of clerks 
will not change the work pattern. So no one today follows asking as DEHI BIKSHA 
BHAVATI BUT YOU GO ASK WILL YOU ACCEPT BY ARTICLES OF BIKSHAI BY 
PROSTRATING;this you do not do with a street beggar. So you differentiate. But 
both ask for only feeding. I had seen in those days in the pharmacy people 
asking for condoms. Same issue. It is in the mind.  Kid said 8 NO it is just 7  
But more additions were made in upa puranas. We must learn with reason. That 
Logic kid did not give the reasons and also wrongly gave whom you worship as 
you always do. And I need not claim to be as you do ; the difference is in the 
certainty of mine and inability to prove even basic things  Thank you High 
knowledged Gopalakrishnanji  K Rajaram  IRS  (not claimed)  Poor man Lets spare 
him 
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 00:36, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:

 Dear Mr Sharma,
You are hundred percent correct. Today I read in one of his postings, his  
statement - Non Brahmins have no Gothra. He forgets Kshathrias and Vaisyas are 
having Gothra.
In a response to my QA posting today, a Logic student  he call as kid and 
states even kids know the answer. He is not able to differentiate between a 
student and kid. Further he again goes in to the details  of the QA answered by 
a student- in his language kid. It was about chiranjeevees.It is not known why 
he goes on adding  the  details if a kid knows the answer.
In another posting about 3 days back he made a lot of references and stated 
Brahmins lived by begging. Today in a posting he makes a note- How many temples 
are built by Brahmins? Can a  brahmin lives by BEGGING build a temple?
Mr Rajaram, claim to be a former IRS officer finds all those as Enemies, who 
point out his lapses. 


Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:14:16 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Friends 
Apropos Shri Rama's post, wonder when all this bickering, mud slinging, abusive 
exchanges will end
Yes, I too have been provoked into this whilpool ...provoked by a foul mouthed, 
pretender, an ex-Revenue officer, known for hurling the filthiest abuses all 
around, responding in typical gibberish English and pushing lengthy cut-paste 
mainly unreadable posts. 
Is the Group Moderator so helpless that he cannot act against this repeat 
offender?
If it were a face to face conversation, I'm sure m response would have been 
different, with the ex Revenue loud mouth finding a few of his teeth pushed 
into his stonach and a permanent black eye as a response.
In the absence of that, the guy knows he's safe in his filthy den , knowing 
that he can continue his cowardly rants, howls and filthy outliurings without 
fear of harm.
.i am all the more distressed that a few worthy iyer fans of his , instead of 
counselling him, are attempting to silence those who are countering him in his 
own language and style
Anyway, let me end by saying, on a pessimistic note that what cannot be cured 
must be endured. 
Col. Laxminarayan

On Mon, 27 May, 2024, 7:10 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, 
 wrote:

 Respected Mr Rama, 

Since  your mail addressed to me also, I fully agree with your response- "Some 
individuals habitually criticize others in group forum"
I am a victim of such criticizing for any posting done by me. I can openly 
write it is Mr Rajaram. I am still not able to digest how a former IRS officer 
goes so bad.
Gopalakrishnan
 

On Sunday, 26 May, 2024 at 09:16:00 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the feedback! KR     IRS   26524

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 10:33, Rama  wrote:


Dear Sh Jambunathan Iyer Ji, Thanks for expressing your views in all frankness. 
Some individuals habitually criticize others in group forum , often with an 
audience that encourages and amplifies their negative comments. Thus there are 
cheer leaders demonstrating their worship. This only leads to:
1. Acrimony: Bitterness and ill feelings among those being criticized and the 
wider community.2. Toxic environment: Creates a hostile atmosphere where people 
feel uncomfortable sharing their thoughts or ideas.3. Groupthink: The 
"cheerleaders" reinforce the critic's opinions, suppressing diverse 
perspectives and constructive dialogue.4. Bullying: Repeated public criticism 
can be a form of bullying, causing emotional distress and silencing 
marginalized voices.5. Lack of constructive feedback: Criticism becomes focused 
on tearing down rather than providing helpful insights for growth and 
improvement.
To mitigate this, it's essential to promote a culture of respectful 
communication, active listening, and constructive feedback. Encourage 
open-mindedness, empathy, and diverse perspectives to create a positive and 
supportive environment.Wishful thinking for our Iyer group.CheersRama
On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 09:28, Jambunathan Iyer  wrote:

Very sad a Good Post on Brahmins and culture unnecessarily lead to lot

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: True Brahmin

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

ys in the pharmacy people 
asking for condoms. Same issue. It is in the mind.  Kid said 8 NO it is just 7  
But more additions were made in upa puranas. We must learn with reason. That 
Logic kid did not give the reasons and also wrongly gave whom you worship as 
you always do. And I need not claim to be as you do ; the difference is in the 
certainty of mine and inability to prove even basic things  Thank you High 
knowledged Gopalakrishnanji  K Rajaram  IRS  (not claimed)  Poor man Lets spare 
him 
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 00:36, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:

 Dear Mr Sharma,
You are hundred percent correct. Today I read in one of his postings, his  
statement - Non Brahmins have no Gothra. He forgets Kshathrias and Vaisyas are 
having Gothra.
In a response to my QA posting today, a Logic student  he call as kid and 
states even kids know the answer. He is not able to differentiate between a 
student and kid. Further he again goes in to the details  of the QA answered by 
a student- in his language kid. It was about chiranjeevees.It is not known why 
he goes on adding  the  details if a kid knows the answer.
In another posting about 3 days back he made a lot of references and stated 
Brahmins lived by begging. Today in a posting he makes a note- How many temples 
are built by Brahmins? Can a  brahmin lives by BEGGING build a temple?
Mr Rajaram, claim to be a former IRS officer finds all those as Enemies, who 
point out his lapses. 


Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:14:16 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Friends 
Apropos Shri Rama's post, wonder when all this bickering, mud slinging, abusive 
exchanges will end
Yes, I too have been provoked into this whilpool ...provoked by a foul mouthed, 
pretender, an ex-Revenue officer, known for hurling the filthiest abuses all 
around, responding in typical gibberish English and pushing lengthy cut-paste 
mainly unreadable posts. 
Is the Group Moderator so helpless that he cannot act against this repeat 
offender?
If it were a face to face conversation, I'm sure m response would have been 
different, with the ex Revenue loud mouth finding a few of his teeth pushed 
into his stonach and a permanent black eye as a response.
In the absence of that, the guy knows he's safe in his filthy den , knowing 
that he can continue his cowardly rants, howls and filthy outliurings without 
fear of harm.
.i am all the more distressed that a few worthy iyer fans of his , instead of 
counselling him, are attempting to silence those who are countering him in his 
own language and style
Anyway, let me end by saying, on a pessimistic note that what cannot be cured 
must be endured. 
Col. Laxminarayan

On Mon, 27 May, 2024, 7:10 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, 
 wrote:

 Respected Mr Rama, 

Since  your mail addressed to me also, I fully agree with your response- "Some 
individuals habitually criticize others in group forum"
I am a victim of such criticizing for any posting done by me. I can openly 
write it is Mr Rajaram. I am still not able to digest how a former IRS officer 
goes so bad.
Gopalakrishnan
 

On Sunday, 26 May, 2024 at 09:16:00 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the feedback! KR     IRS   26524

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 10:33, Rama  wrote:


Dear Sh Jambunathan Iyer Ji, Thanks for expressing your views in all frankness. 
Some individuals habitually criticize others in group forum , often with an 
audience that encourages and amplifies their negative comments. Thus there are 
cheer leaders demonstrating their worship. This only leads to:
1. Acrimony: Bitterness and ill feelings among those being criticized and the 
wider community.2. Toxic environment: Creates a hostile atmosphere where people 
feel uncomfortable sharing their thoughts or ideas.3. Groupthink: The 
"cheerleaders" reinforce the critic's opinions, suppressing diverse 
perspectives and constructive dialogue.4. Bullying: Repeated public criticism 
can be a form of bullying, causing emotional distress and silencing 
marginalized voices.5. Lack of constructive feedback: Criticism becomes focused 
on tearing down rather than providing helpful insights for growth and 
improvement.
To mitigate this, it's essential to promote a culture of respectful 
communication, active listening, and constructive feedback. Encourage 
open-mindedness, empathy, and diverse perspectives to create a positive and 
supportive environment.Wishful thinking for our Iyer group.CheersRama
On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 09:28, Jambunathan Iyer  wrote:

Very sad a Good Post on Brahmins and culture unnecessarily lead to lot of 
remarks few bad on our culture and belief and Vadhyar. Thanks to the Author and 
response mail appreciating the theme of the mail forwarded.


 N Jambunathan Rengarajapuram-Kodambakkam-Chennai-Mob:9176159004

" What youget by achieving your goals is not as important as what you become by 
achievingyour goals. If you want to live a hap

Re: [KeralaIyers] PITU GOTRA CONTD 28524 29524 K RAJARAM IRS

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
I have read the forwarded article fully. What is the topic? What is deal with?  
So many things non related are told. There is neither head nor tail. You have 
titled Pitu Gotra. Subject told has nothing to do with Gotra. 

Only thing I make out is about sacred thread. 

The ritual cord (upavīta) may be a reason for distrust.  Patrick Olivelle 
haspointed out in a recent article (2012) that the sacred thread makes 
itsappearance very late in Brahmanical literature. It is not yet known to the 
Grhyasutras and the relatively early Apastamba and Gautama Dharma sutras,  and 
is mentioned for the first time in the Baudhāyana and Vasiṣṭha Dharmasūtras, 
around thebeginning of the CommonEra.
You mean to say that Brahmins did not wore sacred thread earlier than 
Baudhayana and Vasistha Dharmasutra period? What do you mean by the above ? 

Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 29 May, 2024 at 08:48:26 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
PITU GOTRA CONTD   28524   29524 K RAJARAM IRS 

The outcome of thisBrahmanical transformation was quite extraordinary. A 
thousand years after theestablishment of the Maurya Empire (presumably a 
catastrophe for the Brahmins),Brahmanical socio-political ideology predominated 
in an immense geographicalarea, reaching from Vietnam and Indonesia at one end 
to the western frontiersof the Indian subcontinent and Afghanistan at the 
other. This dominatingpresence found expression in various ways, including the 
use of Sanskrit, thesacred language of Brahmanism, in political inscriptions, 
in courtlyliterature, and even in an important part of the literature of 
Buddhism andJainism. The American researcher Sheldon Pollock (1996;2006) has 
coined theterm ‘Sanskrit cosmopolis’ to designate this phenomenon. In order 
tounderstand the incredible success of the Brahmanical vision of society 
andpolitics, it is important to recall that it was not the outcome of 
politicalconquest or colonization. Brahmanism spread by other means than the 
force ofarms—initially in the Indian subcontinent, then also into Southeast 
Asia. The spread of Brahmanism is also nota mere matter of religious 
conversion. As noted above, Brahmanism shouldnot exclusively or even primarily 
be thought of as a religion, but as a socio-political ideology with a variable 
religiousdimension. Rulers who adopted it, did not necessarily convert

from one religion to another,and Brahmanism had no missionaries in the 
religious sense of the term. (Sheldonpollack)

 There are the well-known Kushanas dynastycoins with (Gandhara-Afghanistan 
language) Oešo/Śiva standing near the bull and bearing trident andlazo,[ “OHÞO 
is the only Brahmanic god occurring on Kaniṣka’s coinage as frequentlyas 
Iranian deities.” (Lo Muzio 1996: 163). 17: Oešo was particularly popularwith 
Vima Kadphises, who declares himself a devotee of Sarvalokeśvara, and 
withVāsudeva I, as appears from Göbl (1984: 72–74; as well as early Śiva icons. 
Weshould also carefully consider the reason why in the MahabharataŚiva is 
called ‘the God from Gandhāra’. An early schist image of Mahiṣamardinī comes 
from the site of Muhammad Zai nearPeshawar, and Saivitepenetration goes as far 
as Surkh Kotal in Bactria/Tokhāristān.  The relative invisibility of Bhāgavatas 
and Pāśupatas in early Gandhāra depends on their takingroot in rural areas 
(especially the groups ofPāśupatas) and on the fact that the trading class—an 
object of scorn forthe authors of the early Kali Age literature—did not find 
representation amongthem.

    Questions remain. What do we make ofthe Brahmins depicted in Gandharan 
sculpture? After the entry of Yavanas of theGreek changes occurred in these 
territories. The displacements from Gandaratowards Kashmir started . Presumably 
there are plenty of them. “Hermits andascetics, whether young or old, are 
always represented as typical IndianBrahmins wearing the Indian dress or dhoti 
and shawl, while their hair isarranged in a jaṭā-makuṭa or top-knot. They often 
carry a waterpot andoccasionally even their upavīta or ritual cord is 
indicated.” Elsewhere in thesame article she states (p. 33): “We can . . . draw 
some conclusions from the frescoes discovered in CentralAsia and Afghanistan 
which have been preserved due to the dry climate of theseareas. First of all 
there are the early wall paintings from Miran in which theIndian elements stand 
out clearly. In the later frescoes from Bamiyan, Kakrak,and Fondukistan 
{dynasties} these are still obvious, especially at the lastsite. . . . Mention 
may here be made only of the shading of the bodiesproducing plastic effects, 
the attitude of the female figures, and such detailsas the enormous ear-rings, 
the striped dresses and the upavīta running over thelower right arm, a 
mannerism which can also be found in Indian sculptures ofabout the same 
date.”92{all archaeological excavations at the British periods) Harrison& 
Luczanits (2011: P84), similarly, speak of a ‘Brāhmaṇa type’

Re: [iyer123] Thoughts

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Sir,
Very correct. I liked this thought Very much.
In everyday life, husband is slightly more considerate to his relatives where
as wife is FULLY considerate to her relatives. Irrespective of the age.

Yes. People's behavior is different. A person appearing with very good
behavior by most can be felt by another as average because of his hatred with
him. The same person will behave differently with a person he dislike.

Surely there will be hidden positives even with bad people .
Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 29 May, 2024 at 10:34:43 am IST, Rama
wrote:

*Everyone may not be nice but there is something nice in everyone.**Never
keep a fixed image for anyone* *Because people act differently with different
people.*
CheersRama

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Re: a request

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Respected sir,
How are you ?

The same Inbox problem was felt by me also. So I marked the mails of Mr
Rajaram to spam. So my inbox has only few mails now. Still occasionally his
mails appear in box.

I open spam, out of his four copies of each posting , retain one, transfer to
Inbox. If necessary respond. Again I mark one of his mails to spam from inbox.
So next day also his mail will appear in spam. Very tedious process. Spam is
cleared in one stroke.
I had to do it because, I was missing important mails to me, appearing with in
his copies of 6-7 postings/day with four copies.

"Mr Gopalakrishnan is investinga lot of time and effort in collecting many
useful information (even though itmay be copy paste). If some one wants to
comment or add some additionalinformation, let it be in the positive spirit
with out throwing mud on him"
Thank you very much sir for the good words.

What you wrote about the method of responding is understood by all members
except Mr Rajaram. He is not following basic ethics. Being a U P S C selected
IRS officer of 78 years, I expect more maturity from him. Hope in future after
reading responses from members like you, he may change.

Gopalakrishnan
On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 07:52:25 pm IST, Ramalingam Narayanan
wrote:

My inbox is getting filled with personalcomments and counter- comments from a
few individuals, which are not at allrelevant to the others in the group. I am
wasting my time in deleting these rubbishmails (unbecoming of mature seniors of
our age group) every time I open myinbox. A few useful mails from some learned
gentlemen like Sri Sekar, SriSridharan, Sri Jambunathan etc get lost in this
mess. Mr Gopalakrishnan is investinga lot of time and effort in collecting many
useful information (even though itmay be copy paste). If some one wants to
comment or add some additionalinformation, let it be in the positive spirit
with out throwing mud on him.

My humble request to the group members –please restrict your personal fights,
abuse, comments etc to your personal mailIDs and don’t wash the dirty linen in
public.

We have been tolerating such mails allalong. But there is a limit to our
tolerance. This group was created for seniorlearned intellectuals to exchange
useful spiritual information related to Sanatanadharma and other topics of
common interest.

Prof R Narayanan, Bangalore

Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd - Interesting meaning of Good Morning, but one Upanyasakar said we must start saying Jai Shri Ram

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

A single word  Good  _contains  a lot of information for persons who know 
thingsGopalakrishnan

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  On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 18:51, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
wrote:   1 Mr Sekar    Nice acronym; here I shall give another one: 
 Good Morning! 

Dear All

As the sun rises, it brings with it a world of possibilities. May your day be 
filled with:

G - Gratitude for the blessings that surround you
O - Optimism to see the silver lining in every situation
O - Opportunities waiting to be seized
D - Delightful moments that bring joy to your heart

And may every morning bring you:

M - Motivation to pursue your dreams
O - Optimism to face challenges with courage
R - Renewal of spirit and energy
N - Nourishment for your soul
I - Inspiration to create and innovate
N - New beginnings filled with promise and hope
G - Growth in every aspect of your life

Wishing you a day as bright and beautiful as you are. Good morning, and may 
your day be as wonderful as you are!

With warmest regards,
K Rajaram IRS 28524

2 GOOD" on its own can come across as a bit terse. To make it more warm and 
friendly, you can expand it into a more expressive message.  - Genuine 
gratitude for your kindness - Overflowing admiration for your efforts - 
Outstanding dedication to your work - Deep appreciation for all that you 
do;This expansion highlights specific qualities or actions that you appreciate 
about the person, making your message more personal and sincere. Only empty 
vessels use terse words such as Good, IRS ,english spelling as the contents are 
minus. Thank u KR IRS 28524

On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 00:08, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:

 Good 
Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 10:31:17 am IST, 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:  
 
 



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Re: [KeralaIyers] CULTURAL QA 05-2024-27

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Dear Mr Sekar,
Thank you for your response with additions to my QA posting. I read it 
yesterday itself. 
Regarding the last line, though my home  was "root" in my native with 
nalukettu, by the time I was born my family was just middle class.
 My grand mother got a lot of paddy  every year as "Pattam" from the Paddy 
field about 15 KM away, cultivation was conducted by Nampyathi Brahmins. She 
lived with it.   After her period it became a few bags of paddy, and paddy 
field  got owned by them.Finally if we went that side a few measures of rice, 
honoring us.

I studied in college with scholarship and additional amount for fees was made 
up my father with difficulty. He was a school peon, and many times on last day 
for fees remittance he made up from somewhere, and he himself remitted it.  I 
could not go for post graduation  since my father retired by the time I passed 
my BSc. I had higher rank, which enabled me to get  selected as Junior 
Engineer, in par with Engineering graduates in 1966. 

In the morning I was busy responding to Mr Rajaram. I never thought he will 
respond, in-spite of my request. 
Either he has no ethics  nor some persons from behind the curtain pushed him to 
respond. Anyway in no way it is related to my response to you. 
I  quoted to Mr Rajaram, showing yours and  Mr Madras Sivaraman responses. I do 
not know whether it went to deaf ears.
Gopalakrishan

On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:30:12 pm IST, 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks.
Q1 just proves that simple things are effective. We realized the importance of 
hand hygiene when, as kids, our mothers  insisted we wash our hands before we 
eat anything.
Covid protocols reimphasized the importance of general hygiene and hand hygiene 
in particular.
Q2  She deserves our respect and support.  Big heart even if she herself was 
poor.
Q3  Inspirational. It is always nice to hear and read how people fought against 
all odds and succeeded.  
Problem is many of us born in good families and in good neighborhoods don't 
realize how much struggle the less privileged had to put up, to come up in 
life. It is easy to break down but it requires a lot of will power to try and 
succeed. 
N Sekar 
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  On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 5:05 PM, 'gopala krishnan' via 
KeralaIyers wrote:   
CULTURAL QA 05-2024-27

All the below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  27-05-2024.

Quora answers need not be 100% correctanswers.

May I request Mr Rajaram, not to respond my postings since his responses 
contains fullof criticism and bad remarks on me. It is a request. Let members 
check themselves theauthority, accuracy etc etc if they require. 
Inspiteof this request, if Mr Rajaram wants to respond, please respond. I 
understand I cannot stop anyone  from responding to my postings once published 
on the net. 
Compiledand posted byR. Gopala krishnan,  on 27-05-2024.

Q1 Whathas been the most important medical advancement in the last 
200 years?

A1 Silk Road, Studied at Generative Pre Training May 20

Handwashing. 

Sounds basic, right?

But it's the cornerstone of modern medicine, a hard-earnedlesson from the days 
when doctors were more likely to prescribe leeches thanantibiotics.

Enter mid-19th century, Vienna.

A Hungarian physician, Ignaz Semmelweis, is puzzled by thehigh death rate among 
mothers in the maternity ward.

He begins to notice something odd – doctors fresh fromautopsies are delivering 
babies without so much as a rinse.

His radical suggestion? Wash your damn hands.

The medical establishment scoffs, Semmelweis is ostracized,and countless women 
die needlessly.

You see, we humans have a nasty habit of rejectinginconvenient truths, a 
phenomenon now known as the Semmelweis Reflex.

It wasn't until the germ theory gained traction that hand washingfinally got 
its due.

 

The numbers are grim.

Before Semmelweis' handwashing crusade, the death rate inmaternity wards was a 
bloodbath – up to 18%.

That means nearly one in five women checking in forchildbirth were signing 
their own death warrants, not from the perils of labor,but from the filthy 
hands of their supposed caregivers.

After implementing basic hygiene, that number plummeted to amere 1%. A 94% 
decrease.

Let that sink in.

Extrapolating this globally is tricky, but the impact isundeniable.

In the pre-handwashing era, infectious diseases were rampant,and hospitals were 
often death traps.

Millions, possibly billions of lives were undoubtedly savedthanks to this 
seemingly trivial practice.

And it wasn't just mothers who benefited.

Surgical patients, the elderly, anyone with a weakened immunesystem – they all 
became less likely to contract deadly infections inhospitals.

And the ripple effects extended far beyond those hospitalwalls.

Diarrheal diseases, a scourge in developing countries, saw adramatic decline 
with improved hand hygiene.

Even respiratory infections took a hit.

We can't put an exact

Re: [KeralaIyers] PITU GOTRA CONTD 27524 28524 K RAJARAM IRS

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
95% of the forwarded contents are repeat, perhaps for refreshing.  You can read 
yourself from the forward, from the medieval India, Brahmins were engaged  many 
occupations.  So your old version has changed gradually.
At one time Brahmins lived with Bhiksha. As times passed Brahmins had many 
other occupations than priests. 

it is not outof place  you must add " forward" with this type of postings, or 
in the introductory page mention  about the contents. 

Nowhere it is told from where you got the forwarded material. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 07:45:33 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
PITU GOTRA CONTD   27524   28524 K RAJARAM IRS 

The gotras are arranged ingroups, e. g. there are according to the 
Âsvalâyana-srautasûtra foursubdivisions of the Vasishtha gana, viz. Upamanyu, 
Parâshara, Kundina andVasishtha (other than the first three). Each of these 
four again has numeroussub-sections, each being called gotra. So the 
arrangement is first into ganas,then into pakshas, then into individual gotras. 
The first has survived in theBhrigu and Ângirasa gana. According to Baud, the 
principal eight gotras weredivided into pakshas. The pravara of Upamanyu is 
Vasishtha, Bharadvasu,Indrapramada; the pravara of the Parâshara gotra is 
Vasishtha, Shâktya,Pârâsharya; the pravara of the Kundina gotra is Vasishtha, 
Maitrâvaruna,Kaundinya and the pravara of Vasishthas other than these three is 
simplyVasishtha. It is therefore that some define pravara as the group of sages 
thatdistinguishes the founder (lit. the starter) of one gotra from another.

There are two kinds ofpravaras, 1) sishya-prasishya-rishi-parampara, and 2) 
putrparampara.Gotrapravaras can be ekarsheya, dwarsheya, triarsheya, 
pancharsheya,saptarsheya, and up to 19 rishis. Kashyapasa gotra has at least 
two distinctpravaras in Andhra Pradesh: one with three sages (triarsheya 
pravara) and theother with seven sages (saptarsheya pravara). This pravara may 
be eithersishya-prasishya-rishi-parampara or putraparampara. When it 
issishya-prasishya-rishi-parampara marriage is not acceptable if half or 
morethan half of the rishis are same in both bride and bridegroom gotras. If it 
isputra parampara, marriage is totally unacceptable even if one rishi matches.

Due to the diversity inreligious and cultural traditions and practices, and the 
Vedic schools whichthey belong to, Brahmins are further divided into various 
sub castes.

Sects or schools fordifferent denominations of the same Veda were formed, under 
the leadership ofdistinguished teachers among Brahmins. The teachings of these 
distinguished rishis are called sutras. EveryVeda has its own sutras. The 
sutras that deal with social, moral and legalprecepts are called dharma sutras, 
whereas those sutras that deal withceremonials are called Srauta sutras and 
domestic rituals are called gruhyasutras.  sutras are generally written inprose 
or in mixed prose and verse. These sutras are based on divine Vedas andare 
manmade and hence are called Smritis, meaning “recollected or remembered.”

There are several Brahmin lawgivers such as Angirasa, Apasthambha, Atri, 
Brihaspati, Boudhayana, Daksha,Gautama, Harita, Katyayana, Likhita, Manu, 
Parasara, Samvarta, Sankha,Satatapa, Usanasa, Vasishta, Vishnu, Vyasa, 
Yajnavalkya and Yama. These twenty-onerishis were the propounders of Dharma 
Sastras.

Sherring has also listed somechief gotras according to the Veda each one 
observes. Thus the Bhargaus,Sankritas, Gargs (Chandras), Bhrigus and Saunaks 
follow the Rig. The Kasyaps,Kaasyaps, Vatsas, Sandilas and Dhananjays follow 
the Sama. The Bharadwajs,Bhaaradwajs, Angirahs, Gautams and Upamanyus observe 
the Yajur; and theKaushikas, Gritakaushikas, Mudhgalas, Galawas and Vashishts 
follow the Atharva.All others follow the Yajur. The Brahmin subcastes are 
broadly categorized intotwo great geographical divisions-the north and the 
south. The dividing line isthe Narmada River. The gaur (white) subcastes, 
according to Sherring, inhabitthe region north of the Narmada and the draviDa 
subcastes, the south. The chiefgaur sub castes are Kanakubja, Saraswat, Gaur, 
Maithila and Utkala and the chiefdraviDa subcastes are Maharashtra, Tailanga, 
Dravida, Karnata and Gurjar. Thenthere are supplementary subcastes like Mathur 
(from Mathura), Magadh, Malwa,Kurmachali, Naipali (from Nepal), Kashmiri, 
Sapt-Shati, Shenevi, Palashe,Sengardaro, Sankahar, Thatiya, Ahwasi (Haiwasi), 
Byas, Bilwar, Lrikhishwar,Agachi, Bagaria (Parchuniya), Unwariya, Golapurab, 
Lyariya, Nade, Myale,Dasadwipi, Dehra-dun, the names largely indicating their 
habitat. Today, manyBrahmins don't know and don't care about these 
distinctions, which are now ofhistorical importance only. Intermarriages are 
becoming very common among thesegroups, nowadays. As a matterof fact, Brahmins 
have been marrying non-Brahmins also.

In the"Yaksa-prasna" of the Mahabharata the simple life of Brahmin isreferred 
to:

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Sanatana dharma part 37 K R IRS 27524 26524

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
Don't write as after thoughts.If a temple is constructed by a king and guided 
by a Brahmin, write so clearly. A begging Brahmin, out of his begging never can 
build a temple.  
Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 12:42:28 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Comments with grunting falls like ninepins; there was one who built the 
manseeka temple; and another out of the money of the King; so beggars can do if 
one wishes. Brahmin ruled; but why did no brahmin build any temple? That is the 
question? Had you the calibre to understand, you would not have slipped like 
this  K R IRS 27524
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 00:16, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 
 wrote:

 Respected friends,
Mr Rajaram Krishnamurthy, in a previous article quoted many references , where 
a Brahmin has to live by BEGGING.  He also continued with the word Begging 
instead of Bhiksha.

Now he makes a note-[ KR:  is there anytemple in India built by a brahmin?]

How a beggar can build a temple? Is not the note by Mr Rajaram ridiculing?

Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:20:22 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
Sanatana dharma part 37  K R IRS27524  26524

DHANA MAHIMA  5. Skandapurana and6. Varaha Purana on Go-danaas

 5. Skanda Purana (The authenticity of Skandapuranam was proved before the 
supreme court of India in the Ayodhya case) 

 Narada described to Arjun about „Daanam‟(charity), its two „hethus‟ 
(kinds, heshyam, varieties), six „Adhishthana‟(Reasons), six „Ankas‟ 
(divisions, Parties), two „Parinaamas‟ (structures, endresults or fruits), 
three bhedas (classifications) and three „Vina- Sadhanas‟ (scattered,littering, 
negative results). The two „hethus ‟as normally perceived are aboutthe size of 
the charity-small or big- as also of the quality. But such „hethus‟are not as 
important as the „shraddha‟ or dedication and devotion are. BhagavanSiva would 
be pleased only by the sincerity and pure heart that is attached tothe charity 
rather than any other aspect. 

 Again, „Dhana- Daanam‟ or the charity of money is morepopular than „Vastu 
Daanam‟or charity of material, „VastramDaanam ‟or charity of clothes etc. since 
charity of money would buy backVastu or Vastram. Then the six „Adhishthana‟ or 
reasons of Daana are: „Dharma Daana‟ without strings attached ie. Daana givento 
the Virtuous or Dharmatmas; „Artha Daana‟ keepingin view some purpose or 
utility; „Kaama Daanaa‟like favours for women, wine or such other benefits in 
view; „Lajja Daana ( can one know the meaning of Lajja homam inwedding?)  is 
due to compulsionsof Public or Society; „Harsha Daana‟ is made onreceiving good 
news and out of happiness; and „Bhayadaana‟ out of compulsion, fear or 
avoidance of risks. The six „Ankas‟ ordonor/receiver parties are as follows: 
The Positive Donors are „Daatas‟ by nature; the „Dharmatmas‟or the Virtuous; 
those desirous of donating willingly and happily; the „Vyasana rahit‟ or devoid 
of bad habits; „Pavitra‟ or Symbols of Purity and „Anindaneeya‟ or the 
blemishless. The Negative Donorsare ill mannered, indolent, evil minded, 
persons of bad habits, persons who swear to support theEvil and persons who are 
sleepy!

     Among the Good Receivers of Charity are thoseof good „Kula‟ or caste, who 
has „Vidya‟ or good Education, good „Aachaaram‟ orfamily bearing / tradition, 
earners of rightful way of life or of Satvik Life,of kind heart, „Jitendriya‟ 
or of Controlled Emotions and finally of excellentparenthood. The second 
category of receivers of donations is of pleasantvisage, of sincerity and 
thankfulness but not of demanding nature, cantankerous or mean. The donors of 
charity must havethe perspective of what kind of material is required or useful 
to the receiveror otherwise the purpose of charity would be defeated. 

 The two „Parinaamas end results/fruits areeither gain of „Punya‟ for the 
„Paralokam‟ or after death or for use in „Ihalokam‟or the current life to the 
receiver. Here we have wonderful, Tirukkurals:

1Immailkkum enai marumaikkum  THATHAM KARUMAME  kattalaik kal. The Karma 
onlydetermines the life here as well as there. Karma used as our action and 
therewards. 

2  Arullilarkku avvulagamilai angu Porulillarkkuivvulagamaillai. Without 
Easwara kadaksham one cannot enter swargam so toowithout reasonable money. 
Living on earth is difficult. Hence dhaanam assumesgreater importance. Earning 
is a must but not beyond the reasonableexpectations crossing the varna dharma. 

 The latter „Dannas‟ or for the use ofIhalok are of four types viz. 
Dhruva, Trika, Kamya andNaimittika. (already seen in yesterday text also) 
Dhruva is for publicuse like digging wells, construction of Temples, [ KR:  is 
there anytemple in India built by a brahmin?] {KR:  There is onlyone temple for 
Brahma in ushkar but even in Sunka dynasty temple was not builtI think}  
gardens, Choultries,schools etc. Trikha is for daily utility like 
„NithyaDaana‟, say Vidya Daan.

Re: [KeralaIyers] SANATANA DHARMA PART 38 CONTD 27524 28524 K RAJARAM IRS

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
You admit when thoughts pour in omissions occur. Pages increases. Think " there 
is tomorrow". You can leisurely write with out vomissions, posting limited 
pages every day. 

No member is very keenly interested in most of your rubbish postings. Only very 
few read what you post with concentration.  Always think "there is tomorrow" 
and make interesting postings in nutshell. 

Correcting all English mistakes in spelling, grammar and structure in your 
language, please post either response or your posting. In forwards follow 
eithic and add "Forward".
Gopalakrishan

On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 09:49:58 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Sure Sivaramanji; when I start I think I will stop with limited pages; but as 
thoughts pour in, it runs; so many omissions do occur; thank you ji for 
reminding me of Pennathur, a great soul. Brahma Rayan was touched by Kalki and 
then he wrote what you said today "ivaraip patri ezhdha innoru ponniyin selvan 
ezhuda vendum."  Brig Rajan is a course here in the military academy  Let me do 
as early as possible sir  KR IRS 28524 
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 22:32, Madras Sivaraman  
wrote:

Very informative but you have omitted the great warrior brahmins of the 
south.Raman Krishnan Iyer known as Brahmamarayan was the commanding general of 
Rajaraja Chozha and who donated a lot to temples.His son Jagannathan Iyer later 
commanded the armies of Rajendra Chola.Incidentally PS Sivaswamy Iyer of PS 
School of Mylapore claimed he was the descendent of Raman Krishnan 
Iyer.Subramania Swamy's great great grandfather commanded the Thanjavur army 
and defeated the Muslim forces.In our time Major Parameshwaran the only 
Recipient of the Param Vir Chakra from the south  was also a kerala 
Iyer.Gr.Captain Padmanabhan was the only recipient of double MVC was also an 
Iyer.There are several in the US airforce as Fighter Pilots.Brig General Rajan 
Retired of the USAF is  one of them.You could do a story on this as it seems 
you are living in the US.Regards 
On Tue, 28 May, 2024, 07:46 Rajaram Krishnamurthy,  
wrote:


SANATANA DHARMA PART 38 CONTD 27524 28524 K RAJARAM IRS

Iyer has several meanings inTamil and other Dravidian languages, often 
referring to a respectable person.The Dravidian Etymological Dictionary lists 
various meanings for the term suchas "father, sage, priest, teacher, brahman, 
superior person, master,king" with cognates such as tamayan meaning "elder 
brother" andsimply ai "lord, master, husband, king, guru, priest, 
teacher,father". Linguistic sources often derive the words Ayya, Ayira/Ayyira 
asPrakrit versions of the Sanskrit word Aryā which means 'noble'.In 
ancienttimes, Iyers were also called Anthanar or Pārppān, though the usage of 
the wordPārppān is considered derogatory in modern times. Until recent times, 
KeralaIyers were called Pattars. Like the term pārppān, the word Pattar too 
isconsidered derogatory.

Andanar enbor aravorTirukkural 2000 years before. அந்தணர் என்போர் அறவோர்மற் 
றெவ்வுயிர்க்கும்

செந்தண்மை பூண்டொழுக லான்.  - 30) 

எவ்வகைப்பட்ட உயிருக்கும் செவ்வையான அருளை மேற்கொண்டு நடப்பதனால், அந்தணர் 
எனப்படுவோரே அறவோர் ஆவர்  

ஆங்கிலம் (English)

Andhanar Enpor AravormatrRevvuyirKkum Sendhanmai Poontozhuka Laan

Ascetics are called men ofvirtue For they assume the role of mercy for all that 
live.

It is also interpreted as AM+THAZHAL=virtuous agni .

    Paarppanar :   புறநானூறு 9, பாடியவர்: நெட்டிமையார், பாடப்பட்டோன்: பாண்டியன் 
பல்யாகசாலை முதுகுடுமிப் பெருவழுதி, திணை: பாடாண், துறை: இயன் மொழி

“ஆவும், ஆன் இயல் பார்ப்பன மாக்களும்,

பெண்டிரும், பிணியுடையீரும் பேணித்

தென்புல வாழ்நர்க்கு அருங்கடன் இறுக்கும்

பொன் போல் புதல்வர்ப் பெறாஅதீரும்,

எம் அம்பு கடி விடுதும், நும் அரண் சேர்மின்” என  5

அறத்து ஆறு நுவலும் பூட்கை மறத்தின்,

கொல்களிற்று மீமிசைக் கொடி விசும்பு நிழற்றும்

எங்கோ வாழிய, குடுமி, தங்கோச்

செந்நீர்ப் பசும்பொன் வயிரியர்க்கு ஈத்த,

முந்நீர் விழவின் நெடியோன்  10

நன்னீர்ப் பஃறுளி மணலினும் பலவே!

Puranānūru 9, PoetNettimaiyār sang for Pandiyan Palyākasālai Muthukudumi 
Peruvazhuthi, Thinai:Pādān, Thurai: Iyan Mozhi

He announces in a righteousmanner, “Cows, Brahmins(word used is parppanar) with 
the nature of cows, women, those whoare sick, and those living in the southern 
land with no gold-like sons toperform precious last rites, take refuge!  We are 
ready to shoot volleys of arrows!” May he with martial courage,whose flags 
flying on his murderous elephants throwing shadows on the sky, our king Kudumi, 
(tuft) live for long, more days than thenumber of sands on the banks of Pakruli 
River {Kumarikandam) with fine water,where his ancestor Nediyōn celebrated 
ocean festivals, and gave musiciansfresh, reddish gold gifts!

  In Deivathil Kural, Maha Periyavasays,”because the vedic Brahmin can see 
far side of the things to happen werecalled as PAARPPANAN (ONE WHO MAY 
PERCEIVE). (TODAY VEERAPANDIYAN SPEAKS ILL OFTHAT WORD) 

  First-generation descendants of Mysore S.Ramaswamy Iyer. Ramaswamy Iyer 
migrated from

Re: [KeralaIyers] SANATANA DHARMA PART 38 CONTD 27524 28524 K RAJARAM IRS

2024-05-28 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
Your forward is good, though contain contradictory information which you might  
have noted before forwarding. 
When you forward a matter to the groups it is ethic to write- Forward, if at 
all your additions are included. You forget the basic eithic in your forwards. 
It is pity an IRS officer  doesnot know basic ethics. 

I have mentioned contradictions. It is  about the iyengars described 
differently in different locations. Read yourself with concentration and find 
yourself. 

You wrote about Kasi Viswanatha temple at Palghat, but priests there are 
Brahmins.Not nampoothiries. 

Many more points are not clarified. In an earlier posting with lot of documents 
you wrote Brahmins lived on alms. How a Brahmin lived on alms constructed home 
is not clarified.  

In substance  with out much reading  you simply copy paste materials from 
somewhare, least bothering whether they contradict your own earlier postings.
Gopalakrishnan


On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 09:49:58 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Sure Sivaramanji; when I start I think I will stop with limited pages; but as 
thoughts pour in, it runs; so many omissions do occur; thank you ji for 
reminding me of Pennathur, a great soul. Brahma Rayan was touched by Kalki and 
then he wrote what you said today "ivaraip patri ezhdha innoru ponniyin selvan 
ezhuda vendum."  Brig Rajan is a course here in the military academy  Let me do 
as early as possible sir  KR IRS 28524 
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 22:32, Madras Sivaraman  
wrote:

Very informative but you have omitted the great warrior brahmins of the 
south.Raman Krishnan Iyer known as Brahmamarayan was the commanding general of 
Rajaraja Chozha and who donated a lot to temples.His son Jagannathan Iyer later 
commanded the armies of Rajendra Chola.Incidentally PS Sivaswamy Iyer of PS 
School of Mylapore claimed he was the descendent of Raman Krishnan 
Iyer.Subramania Swamy's great great grandfather commanded the Thanjavur army 
and defeated the Muslim forces.In our time Major Parameshwaran the only 
Recipient of the Param Vir Chakra from the south  was also a kerala 
Iyer.Gr.Captain Padmanabhan was the only recipient of double MVC was also an 
Iyer.There are several in the US airforce as Fighter Pilots.Brig General Rajan 
Retired of the USAF is  one of them.You could do a story on this as it seems 
you are living in the US.Regards 
On Tue, 28 May, 2024, 07:46 Rajaram Krishnamurthy,  
wrote:


SANATANA DHARMA PART 38 CONTD 27524 28524 K RAJARAM IRS

Iyer has several meanings inTamil and other Dravidian languages, often 
referring to a respectable person.The Dravidian Etymological Dictionary lists 
various meanings for the term suchas "father, sage, priest, teacher, brahman, 
superior person, master,king" with cognates such as tamayan meaning "elder 
brother" andsimply ai "lord, master, husband, king, guru, priest, 
teacher,father". Linguistic sources often derive the words Ayya, Ayira/Ayyira 
asPrakrit versions of the Sanskrit word Aryā which means 'noble'.In 
ancienttimes, Iyers were also called Anthanar or Pārppān, though the usage of 
the wordPārppān is considered derogatory in modern times. Until recent times, 
KeralaIyers were called Pattars. Like the term pārppān, the word Pattar too 
isconsidered derogatory.

Andanar enbor aravorTirukkural 2000 years before. அந்தணர் என்போர் அறவோர்மற் 
றெவ்வுயிர்க்கும்

செந்தண்மை பூண்டொழுக லான்.  - 30) 

எவ்வகைப்பட்ட உயிருக்கும் செவ்வையான அருளை மேற்கொண்டு நடப்பதனால், அந்தணர் 
எனப்படுவோரே அறவோர் ஆவர்  

ஆங்கிலம் (English)

Andhanar Enpor AravormatrRevvuyirKkum Sendhanmai Poontozhuka Laan

Ascetics are called men ofvirtue For they assume the role of mercy for all that 
live.

It is also interpreted as AM+THAZHAL=virtuous agni .

    Paarppanar :   புறநானூறு 9, பாடியவர்: நெட்டிமையார், பாடப்பட்டோன்: பாண்டியன் 
பல்யாகசாலை முதுகுடுமிப் பெருவழுதி, திணை: பாடாண், துறை: இயன் மொழி

“ஆவும், ஆன் இயல் பார்ப்பன மாக்களும்,

பெண்டிரும், பிணியுடையீரும் பேணித்

தென்புல வாழ்நர்க்கு அருங்கடன் இறுக்கும்

பொன் போல் புதல்வர்ப் பெறாஅதீரும்,

எம் அம்பு கடி விடுதும், நும் அரண் சேர்மின்” என  5

அறத்து ஆறு நுவலும் பூட்கை மறத்தின்,

கொல்களிற்று மீமிசைக் கொடி விசும்பு நிழற்றும்

எங்கோ வாழிய, குடுமி, தங்கோச்

செந்நீர்ப் பசும்பொன் வயிரியர்க்கு ஈத்த,

முந்நீர் விழவின் நெடியோன்  10

நன்னீர்ப் பஃறுளி மணலினும் பலவே!

Puranānūru 9, PoetNettimaiyār sang for Pandiyan Palyākasālai Muthukudumi 
Peruvazhuthi, Thinai:Pādān, Thurai: Iyan Mozhi

He announces in a righteousmanner, “Cows, Brahmins(word used is parppanar) with 
the nature of cows, women, those whoare sick, and those living in the southern 
land with no gold-like sons toperform precious last rites, take refuge!  We are 
ready to shoot volleys of arrows!” May he with martial courage,whose flags 
flying on his murderous elephants throwing shadows on the sky, our king Kudumi, 
(tuft) live for long, more days than thenumber of sands on the banks of Pakruli 
River {Kumarikandam) with fine water,where his ancestor Nediyōn

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: True Brahmin

2024-05-27 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

27 May 2024 at 00:36, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:

 Dear Mr Sharma,
You are hundred percent correct. Today I read in one of his postings, his  
statement - Non Brahmins have no Gothra. He forgets Kshathrias and Vaisyas are 
having Gothra.
In a response to my QA posting today, a Logic student  he call as kid and 
states even kids know the answer. He is not able to differentiate between a 
student and kid. Further he again goes in to the details  of the QA answered by 
a student- in his language kid. It was about chiranjeevees.It is not known why 
he goes on adding  the  details if a kid knows the answer.
In another posting about 3 days back he made a lot of references and stated 
Brahmins lived by begging. Today in a posting he makes a note- How many temples 
are built by Brahmins? Can a  brahmin lives by BEGGING build a temple?
Mr Rajaram, claim to be a former IRS officer finds all those as Enemies, who 
point out his lapses. 


Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:14:16 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Friends 
Apropos Shri Rama's post, wonder when all this bickering, mud slinging, abusive 
exchanges will end
Yes, I too have been provoked into this whilpool ...provoked by a foul mouthed, 
pretender, an ex-Revenue officer, known for hurling the filthiest abuses all 
around, responding in typical gibberish English and pushing lengthy cut-paste 
mainly unreadable posts. 
Is the Group Moderator so helpless that he cannot act against this repeat 
offender?
If it were a face to face conversation, I'm sure m response would have been 
different, with the ex Revenue loud mouth finding a few of his teeth pushed 
into his stonach and a permanent black eye as a response.
In the absence of that, the guy knows he's safe in his filthy den , knowing 
that he can continue his cowardly rants, howls and filthy outliurings without 
fear of harm.
.i am all the more distressed that a few worthy iyer fans of his , instead of 
counselling him, are attempting to silence those who are countering him in his 
own language and style
Anyway, let me end by saying, on a pessimistic note that what cannot be cured 
must be endured. 
Col. Laxminarayan

On Mon, 27 May, 2024, 7:10 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, 
 wrote:

 Respected Mr Rama, 

Since  your mail addressed to me also, I fully agree with your response- "Some 
individuals habitually criticize others in group forum"
I am a victim of such criticizing for any posting done by me. I can openly 
write it is Mr Rajaram. I am still not able to digest how a former IRS officer 
goes so bad.
Gopalakrishnan
 

On Sunday, 26 May, 2024 at 09:16:00 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the feedback! KR     IRS   26524

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 10:33, Rama  wrote:


Dear Sh Jambunathan Iyer Ji, Thanks for expressing your views in all frankness. 
Some individuals habitually criticize others in group forum , often with an 
audience that encourages and amplifies their negative comments. Thus there are 
cheer leaders demonstrating their worship. This only leads to:
1. Acrimony: Bitterness and ill feelings among those being criticized and the 
wider community.2. Toxic environment: Creates a hostile atmosphere where people 
feel uncomfortable sharing their thoughts or ideas.3. Groupthink: The 
"cheerleaders" reinforce the critic's opinions, suppressing diverse 
perspectives and constructive dialogue.4. Bullying: Repeated public criticism 
can be a form of bullying, causing emotional distress and silencing 
marginalized voices.5. Lack of constructive feedback: Criticism becomes focused 
on tearing down rather than providing helpful insights for growth and 
improvement.
To mitigate this, it's essential to promote a culture of respectful 
communication, active listening, and constructive feedback. Encourage 
open-mindedness, empathy, and diverse perspectives to create a positive and 
supportive environment.Wishful thinking for our Iyer group.CheersRama
On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 09:28, Jambunathan Iyer  wrote:

Very sad a Good Post on Brahmins and culture unnecessarily lead to lot of 
remarks few bad on our culture and belief and Vadhyar. Thanks to the Author and 
response mail appreciating the theme of the mail forwarded.


 N Jambunathan Rengarajapuram-Kodambakkam-Chennai-Mob:9176159004

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Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: True Brahmin

2024-05-27 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
Your language is very difficult to understand clearly what you wrote. However 
what I made up from the rubbish, I respond as follows:-
As you wrote today, anything you wrote can be responded if published in the 
group. So before posting you have to be very careful, read perfectly what you 
wrote before pressing the send button. 

1. You only copy pasted material from somewhere, it was stated Non-Brahmins 
have no Gothra. You did not read what you copy pasted correctly. It is your 
mistake. You cannot blame me when I pointed out your mistake. Being highly 
talented , read as you claim, you have to be attentive also in posting things. 

2. Others are quiet because they are not able to make out what you wrote or 
felt it is best not to respond to you, since you are always arguing, egoistic, 
pride and abuse if they respond. They may like to keep away.
3. Many other things you wrote are full of mistakes and not able to make out by 
me. As you admitted, your English is very very poor. You have to improve Mr 
Rajaram.
Please understand it is group of well educated Brahmins. You should be careful 
in posting your subject matter in good English. You claim to be a U P S C 
selected IRS. In that case your English cannot be rubbish. Improve yourself Mr 
Rajaram before criticizing others. 

Please understand your backbone has bend before telling others that their 
backbone is bend. 

Wish all the best in future
Gopalakrishnan




On Tuesday, 28 May, 2024 at 01:19:06 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Perhaps, deranged mentally hence writing as felt in the midst of sleep. What I 
write is my property; of course you tried somewhere as if it is yours and then 
halted. Let it be. You forgot I only wrote earlier how many non brahmins have 
the gotras and if soHOW WOULD i ASK OR ASSERT, THAT NON BRAHMINS HAVE NO 
GOTRAS, SO AS TO EASILY , A LOW KNOWHOW COULD SITE IT , WHILE OTHERS ARE QUIET? 
NEVER YOU 2 THINK, IN THAT WAY AT ALL ; BECAUSE YOU ARE BURSTING DUE TO REASONS 
BEST KNOWN TO ALL AND REMAINING SIL;ENT, BUT TO THE BEST OF KNOWLEDGE, WITHIN 
YOURSELF. You must read well. The words used are a kind of desperate act of 
brahmins spreading to the rest , which need not have been there.  I shall write 
later even though they entered that way. Not at present. Of Course all of us 
could solute your genius  writing sir; and I cannot write -what was written as 
dharma sastra, in my own thinking; and as you have grown taller and higher than 
Vyasa, Yajnavalkya ettc , I have not. Read well sir. I may be poor in English; 
but when you hastily write this way , people may think that you dont even know 
English. Most of us call our grandchildren only as Kozhande =kid; logic is 
after all a subject; whether learnt or not 35% will make him pass. So what do 
you mean by an alogic student ? and his age to me is not a kid? As a matter of 
fact, you only wrote that AN YOUNGMAN JOINED FOR TRAINING before you, to be 
trained by you; never you wrote my colleague trainee; May be in 1973 you became 
ITS and he came to be trained. So my calling kid is fair but not your YOUNG MAN 
address. Still in English it is Begging; Biksha vandanam means you beg; biksha 
means HE has to beg, even if Krishna to karnan.  I wrote by substituting words 
for a degradable word , meaning will not change. Changing the names of clerks 
will not change the work pattern. So no one today follows asking as DEHI BIKSHA 
BHAVATI BUT YOU GO ASK WILL YOU ACCEPT BY ARTICLES OF BIKSHAI BY 
PROSTRATING;this you do not do with a street beggar. So you differentiate. But 
both ask for only feeding. I had seen in those days in the pharmacy people 
asking for condoms. Same issue. It is in the mind.  Kid said 8 NO it is just 7  
But more additions were made in upa puranas. We must learn with reason. That 
Logic kid did not give the reasons and also wrongly gave whom you worship as 
you always do. And I need not claim to be as you do ; the difference is in the 
certainty of mine and inability to prove even basic things  Thank you High 
knowledged Gopalakrishnanji  K Rajaram  IRS  (not claimed)  Poor man Lets spare 
him 
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 00:36, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:

 Dear Mr Sharma,
You are hundred percent correct. Today I read in one of his postings, his  
statement - Non Brahmins have no Gothra. He forgets Kshathrias and Vaisyas are 
having Gothra.
In a response to my QA posting today, a Logic student  he call as kid and 
states even kids know the answer. He is not able to differentiate between a 
student and kid. Further he again goes in to the details  of the QA answered by 
a student- in his language kid. It was about chiranjeevees.It is not known why 
he goes on adding  the  details if a kid knows the answer.
In another posting about 3 days back he made a lot of references and stated 
Brahmins lived by begging. Today in a posting he makes a note- How many temples 
are built by Brahmins? Can a  brahmin lives by BEGGING

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: CULTURAL QA 05-2024-26

2024-05-27 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

me shanti ahead of marriage, may be a Dosham, reverted 
byPariharam. So pl do not confuse yourself. If you want Mukti, you have to 
leavethe job and surrender is B G. YOU CANNOT HAVE THE CAKE AND EAT IT TOO. 

KR IRS 26524

Q5   Can youtell a good humour?

KR    Any jokethere or just glutton attitude of an old lady (80 years) and 
the turning awayof good intentions of children are depicted as joke? 

K Rajaram IRS  26524

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 09:06, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-26

All the below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  26-05-2024.

Quora answers may  not be 100% correctanswers.

Compiledandposted by R. Gopala krishnan,  on 26-05-2024

Q1   Who are the 8 Chiranjivs likeAshwatthama?

A1   AbhishekMehra, Student at Logic (philosophy) (2016–present)Feb 1

1 Maharshi Vyas- he is the one who had written Mahabharat( henarrated, Ganeshji 
has written it).

2 Hanumanji- sankat kate mite sab peera, jo sumire hanumatbalveera, son of mata 
anjana and kesari and auras putra of pawan dev. there aremany places in india 
which has experienced the presence of lord hanuman ji onesuch place is Cheend 
dham in mp

3 Parashuramji- A warrior born in brahman kul, regarded assixth incarnation of 
lord Vishnu, it is believed that he will be guru of Kalkiavtar.

4 Vibhishana- younger brother of Ravana and Kumbhakarna, asage born in demons 
society, he is believed to live until the end of Maha yug.

5 Ashwatthama- son of Dronacharya, born with a Mani on hisforehead, after 
killing of pandava’s sons the mani was removed by bheem andShri Krishna cursed 
him - ki kalyug ke ant tak isi prakar dard me bhatakterahoge, it is believed 
that he resides in the forests of pachmari and sometimesasks ghee or oil from 
tribal people to apply it on his wound of forehead.

6 Mahabali- grandson of prahlad, still believed to be alive,and in southern 
states a special puja is conducted during onam for him.

7- Kripacharya- guru of pandava and kourava, and his sisterwas married to 
dronacharya, is still believed to be alive

8 Maharshi Markandey- it is believed on his death day heworshipped shivji and 
due to this got the boon of immortalism.

Apart from the 8 Nandiji, Jaambavan and Narad muni areconsidered immortal.

Q2   Is the Oxford comma necessary?

A2   DougEdwards,B.A. in English (language) & Education, Not Ivy League 
(Graduated1900)Updated 4y

 “I’d like you to meetmy parents, Jennifer Lopez and the Pope.”

Without the Oxford comma, this sentence could mean that myparents are Jennifer 
Lopez and the Pope. With it, it can ONLY mean I amintroducing you to four 
people: my parents (mother and father), Jennifer Lopez,and the Pope.

The Oxford comma is not required, but I would argue thatthere is simply no good 
reason to NOT use it. I have never seen an instance inwhich it added ambiguity 
and many, many instances in which its absence made themeaning unclear.

Is it necessary? I would argue that it is.-Doug

Q3   Can you tell some interestinginformation about Elephants?

A3   AbhishekKashyap, Student 3h

Indian elephants do live in forests, African-Bush elephantsdo not.

But here’s the thing.

Notice the tusks that are quite literally longer than thatlion. Notice the size 
difference , notice the lack of weak spots.

Elephants do not need to be protected from any predator, afull grown 
African-Bush elephant is pretty much completely undisputed by anyand all 
animals (yes, including lions).

The only time an elephant is at risk from predators is whenthey are very young.

Elephants need us to protect them from cowardly poachers, notLions and Tigers.

Q4   As per Hinduism, sleeping aftersunrise is a sin. I have got a job 
after trying for 3 years, but it’s fromnight 9 pm to morning 5 am. Will I 
attain moksha if I don't quit this job?

A4   Rama G, FormerSelf Employed home maker. At present also.23h

I have not read anywhere Hinduism telling about sins,confessions etc.

It says about dharma, some rules to follow in life forcertain benefits. If you 
don't follow them you don't get those benefits whichyou are supposed to get . 
That's it. Neither you will be stoned nor crucified ,nor beheaded for it.

Again Dharma means not religious rituals.Spiritual practices.

Sun is hot. The heat is his Dharma.

Fire burns. It's Dharma of it.

Ice cools. It's Dharma of it.

Dharma means ‘lakshanam’. It's characterstic.

Everything has its own Dharma. Following it in it's purestform is called Hindu 
dharma.

What will happen if you don't follow it? You don't get thebenefits what you are 
supposed to get.

There is no ‘sin’ in Hinduism. It's “dosham and pariharam”always. There is no 
equalent words for them in English. So, they translate itas Sin.

Dosham means a thing you are not supposed to do or notsupposed to happen.

Pariharam is a rectification act.This is the nearesttranslation

Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: CULTURAL QA 05-2024-27

2024-05-27 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

ans. 
His philosophy of Satyagraha (truth-force) and Ahimsa(nonviolence) became 
guiding principles for the Indian independence movement.

Gandhi's leadership and advocacy for social justiceextended beyond India's 
independence struggle. He championed causes such asreligious harmony, women's 
rights, and the upliftment of the oppressed classes.His commitment to 
simplicity, self-discipline, and service to others earned himthe title of 
"Mahatma," meaning "Great Soul."

Gandhi's influence transcended national boundaries, andhis ideas inspired civil 
rights movements and leaders around the world,including Martin Luther King Jr. 
in the United Statesand Nelson Mandela in South Africa.

 Historicalfigures of India have left behind a treasure trove of wisdom 
through theirwords and actions. Here are some "golden words" from a few 
prominent historicalfigures of India:

Mahatma Gandhi:

"Be the change that you wish to see in theworld."

"The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself inthe service of others."

"An eye for an eye only ends up making thewhole world blind."

Rabindranath Tagore:

"Let your life lightly dance on the edges of Timelike dew on the tip of a leaf."

"The highest education is that which doesnot merely give us information but 
makes our life in harmony with allexistence."

Swami Vivekananda:

"Arise, awake, and stop not till the goalis reached."

"You cannot believe in God until you believe inyourself."

Jawaharlal Nehru:

"A moment comes, which comes but rarely inhistory when we step out from the old 
to the new when an age ends, and when thesoul of a nation, long suppressed, 
finds utterance."

"The only alternative to coexistence is destruction."

B.R. Ambedkar:

"I measure the progress of a community by the degree of progress which women 
have achieved."

"Cultivation of mind should be the ultimate aim ofhuman existence."

Subhas Chandra Bose:

"Give me blood, and I shall give you freedom!"

"Freedom is not given; it is taken."

I never respond; I set right wrong as rightbacked up by ethical evidence. I do 
not waste my time and the rest exceptunavoidable armchairs, who send others to 
test the balls. 

Q5 Doyou know a joke about getting into heaven?

KR  Evenin foreign joke which is not needed at 80, there must be a 
logic; Christ feetholes are straight so that water will seep through; only when 
water fills thebody one sinks. Then how did Moses deduce that way 
unscientifically? Christianwill take out the balls in him. Indians are 
disinterested in India. 

K RAJARAM IRS27524/28524

On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 08:05, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-27

All the below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  27-05-2024.

Quora answers need not be 100% correctanswers.

May I request Mr Rajaram, not to respond my postings since his responses 
contains fullof criticism and bad remarks on me. It is a request. Let members 
check themselves theauthority, accuracy etc etc if they require. 
Inspiteof this request, if Mr Rajaram wants to respond, please respond. I 
understand I cannot stop anyone  from responding to my postings once published 
on the net. 
Compiledand posted byR. Gopala krishnan,  on 27-05-2024.

Q1 Whathas been the most important medical advancement in the last 
200 years?

A1 Silk Road, Studied at Generative Pre Training May 20

Handwashing. 

Sounds basic, right?

But it's the cornerstone of modern medicine, a hard-earnedlesson from the days 
when doctors were more likely to prescribe leeches thanantibiotics.

Enter mid-19th century, Vienna.

A Hungarian physician, Ignaz Semmelweis, is puzzled by thehigh death rate among 
mothers in the maternity ward.

He begins to notice something odd – doctors fresh fromautopsies are delivering 
babies without so much as a rinse.

His radical suggestion? Wash your damn hands.

The medical establishment scoffs, Semmelweis is ostracized,and countless women 
die needlessly.

You see, we humans have a nasty habit of rejectinginconvenient truths, a 
phenomenon now known as the Semmelweis Reflex.

It wasn't until the germ theory gained traction that hand washingfinally got 
its due.

 

The numbers are grim.

Before Semmelweis' handwashing crusade, the death rate inmaternity wards was a 
bloodbath – up to 18%.

That means nearly one in five women checking in forchildbirth were signing 
their own death warrants, not from the perils of labor,but from the filthy 
hands of their supposed caregivers.

After implementing basic hygiene, that number plummeted to amere 1%. A 94% 
decrease.

Let that sink in.

Extrapolating this globally is tricky, but the impact isundeniable.

In the pre-handwashing era, infectious diseases were rampant,and hospitals were 
often death traps.

Millions, possibly billions of lives were und

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-27

2024-05-27 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-27

All the below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  27-05-2024.

Quora answers need not be 100% correctanswers.

May I request Mr Rajaram, not to respond my postings since his responses 
contains fullof criticism and bad remarks on me. It is a request. Let members 
check themselves theauthority, accuracy etc etc if they require. 
Inspiteof this request, if Mr Rajaram wants to respond, please respond. I 
understand I cannot stop anyone  from responding to my postings once published 
on the net. 
Compiledand posted byR. Gopala krishnan,  on 27-05-2024.

Q1 Whathas been the most important medical advancement in the last 
200 years?

A1 Silk Road, Studied at Generative Pre Training May 20

Handwashing. 

Sounds basic, right?

But it's the cornerstone of modern medicine, a hard-earnedlesson from the days 
when doctors were more likely to prescribe leeches thanantibiotics.

Enter mid-19th century, Vienna.

A Hungarian physician, Ignaz Semmelweis, is puzzled by thehigh death rate among 
mothers in the maternity ward.

He begins to notice something odd – doctors fresh fromautopsies are delivering 
babies without so much as a rinse.

His radical suggestion? Wash your damn hands.

The medical establishment scoffs, Semmelweis is ostracized,and countless women 
die needlessly.

You see, we humans have a nasty habit of rejectinginconvenient truths, a 
phenomenon now known as the Semmelweis Reflex.

It wasn't until the germ theory gained traction that hand washingfinally got 
its due.

 

The numbers are grim.

Before Semmelweis' handwashing crusade, the death rate inmaternity wards was a 
bloodbath – up to 18%.

That means nearly one in five women checking in forchildbirth were signing 
their own death warrants, not from the perils of labor,but from the filthy 
hands of their supposed caregivers.

After implementing basic hygiene, that number plummeted to amere 1%. A 94% 
decrease.

Let that sink in.

Extrapolating this globally is tricky, but the impact isundeniable.

In the pre-handwashing era, infectious diseases were rampant,and hospitals were 
often death traps.

Millions, possibly billions of lives were undoubtedly savedthanks to this 
seemingly trivial practice.

And it wasn't just mothers who benefited.

Surgical patients, the elderly, anyone with a weakened immunesystem – they all 
became less likely to contract deadly infections inhospitals.

And the ripple effects extended far beyond those hospitalwalls.

Diarrheal diseases, a scourge in developing countries, saw adramatic decline 
with improved hand hygiene.

Even respiratory infections took a hit.

We can't put an exact figure on the lives saved, but theevidence is 
overwhelming.

Handwashing isn't just agood habit; it's a lifesaver, a silent weapon in the 
war against disease.

It is arguably the most important medical advancement in thelast 200 years.

Ayush Bhandarkar, B.E. from Shri Ramdeobaba College ofEngineering and 
Management, Nagpur (Graduated 2019)Updated 5y

Q2 Canyou tell me something inspiring?

A girl was born in the cowherd's house. Unwanted child forparents, she was 
named chindhi (torn piece of cloth).

Father keen on educating her, against the wishes of hermother. She successfully 
passed 4th standard.

At the age of 10, she was married to person of age 30, threetimes her age. 
Till, age of 20, she had 3 children.

During her pregnancy, a nasty rumor of infidelity wascirculated by an angry 
landlord because she strongly opposed the exploitationof village women by 
landlord.

 

Husband abandoned her when she was beyond 9 months of herpregnancy.She gave 
birth to a baby girl in a cow shelter outside their house,all by herself and 
walked several kilometres away to her mother's place.

Her mother refused to shelter her.

She lost hope and reason for survival. Helpless, strugglingfor food, alone and 
heartbroken women, suicide was easy option, but she kept itaside.

Started begging for food on railway platforms. During this,she realised that 
there were so many children abandoned by their parents.

She adopted them as her own and started begging to feed themtoo.She decided to 
become a mother to anyone and everyone who came across toher as an orphan.

She has devoted her entire life to orphans. As a result, sheis fondly called 
Mai (mother).

Now, she has almost 1050 children, 208 sons-in-law, 36daughters-in-law and 
thousands of grandchildren.

She is honoured by 273 awards for her dedication and work anda film on her 
life.Someone whom I admired.

God do exist, I guess.She is inspirational.Her life isinspirational.

She is SindhutaiSapkal, mother of thousands of orphans.

Footnotes[1]Sindhutai Sapkal – Wikipedia

Q3 Whatdoes it feel like to be poor?

A3 AjayGautam, Engineering Manager at Microsoft (company) Updated 6y

My grandfather was rich but did not have any sense ofresponsibility. Three out 
of his four sons grew up uneducated and affected

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: CULTURAL QA 05-2024-26

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

in-movement (rtam), strength
(ugram), initiation, askesis, mantra(brahma) and Yajna- These uphold the
Earth.Atharva Veda 12.1.1

On the Rig Vedic Mantra, the commentary by Dr R.L.Kashyap(who is with the Sri
Aurobindo Kapaly Shastry Institute of Vedic Studies) is asfollows:The Supreme
Reality is not a mere existence, immutable and featureless.It is supremely
aware; it is a Consciousness. And this Consciousness is againnot a mere
awareness. It is dynamic, it is a Power. Whenthis Consciousness(1 cause)
asPower moves (2 effect) into action, creation ensues. First the Truth(Satyam)
behind the creation, formulates itself leading to the Law of theworking of that
Truth (Rtam). This self-determination of Truth is theseed of creation and it's
Law lays down the lines of manifestation and governsits development.

{Explanation of B G 18.66 If one leaves the materialdharma it is considered a
sin due to dereliction of duty. But if one leavesmaterial dharma and takes the
shelter of spiritual dharma, it is not a sin. TheŚhrīmad Bhāgavatam states:

devarṣhi-bhūtāpta-nṛiṇāṁ pitṝīṇāṁ na kiṅkaro nāyam ṛiṇīcha rājan

sarvātmanā yaḥ śharaṇaṁ śharaṇyaṁ gato mukundaṁ parihṛityakartam (11.5.41)[v37]

This verse explains that for those who do not surrender toGod, there are five
debts—to the celestial gods, to the sages, to theancestors, to other humans,
and to other living beings. The varṇāśhram systemincludes various procedures
for releasing ourselves from these five kinds ofdebts. However, when we
surrender to God, we are automatically released fromall these debts, just as by
watering the roots of a tree, all its branches,twigs, leaves, flowers, and
fruit automatically get watered. Similarly, by fulfillingour duty to God, we
automatically fulfill our duty to everyone. Hence, there isno sin in renouncing
material dharma if we are properly situated in spiritualdharma. In fact, the
ultimate goal is to engage completely and wholeheartedlyin spiritual dharma.
The Śhrīmad Bhāgavatam states:

ājñāyaivaṁ guṇān doṣhān mayādiṣhṭān api svakān

dharmān santyajya yaḥ sarvān māṁ bhajeta sa tu sattamaḥ(11.11.32) [v38]

“I have given innumerable instructions regarding theperformance of bodily
dharma in the Vedas. But those who realize theshortcomings in these, and
renounce all prescribed duties, to simply engage inmy devotional service, I
consider them to be the best sādhaks.” In the Ramayan,we read how Lakshman
renounced all material duties to accompany Lord Ram in theforest. He said:

guru pitu mātu na jānahu kāhū, kahahu subhāū nātha patiyāū

more sabahiñ eka tumha swāmī, dinabhandhu ura antarayamī[v39]

“O Lord, please believe me, I do not know any teacher,father, mother, etc. As
far as I am concerned, you, the savior of the fallenand the knower of the
heart, are my Master and my everything.” Similarly,Prahlad said:

mātā nāsti pitā na ’sti na ’sti me swajano janaḥ [v40]

“I do not know any mother, father, or relative (God iseverything to me).”

In the Bhagavad Gita, Shree Krishna gave Arjunsequentially higher instructions.
Initially, he instructed Arjun to do karm,i.e. his material dharma as a warrior
(verse 2.31). But material dharma doesnot result in God-realization; it leads
to the celestial abodes, and once thepious merits are depleted one has to come
back. Hence, Shree Krishna nextinstructed Arjun to do karm yog, i.e. his
material dharma with the body andspiritual dharma with the mind. He asked Arjun
to fight the war with the body andremember God with the mind (verse 8.7). This
instruction of karm yog forms themajor portion of the Bhagavad Gita. Now in the
very end, Shree Krishnainstructs Arjun to practice karm sanyās, i.e. renounce
all material dharma andsimply adopt spiritual dharma, which is love for God. He
should thus fight, notbecause it is his duty as a warrior, but because God
wants him to do so. The word SARVA DHARMAN IS SO WIDELYINTERPRETED THAT IT
COVERS EVERY SITUATION}

---

(6),(7), & (8): Sin is karma; Dosham is whether 24 or 22 or 20 or 18 carat of
gold; butgold is gold; as in diamond also; Dosham can be eradicated by exchange
oradding pure gold which is pariharam. Not for rasavadham (which Siddars did
bypower changing but unknown) of brass into Gold. A murderer must go to jail
issin. May be by village law, raping a girl though sin left in lurch, but
marriedthat girl become shanti ahead of marriage, may be a Dosham, reverted
byPariharam. So pl do not confuse yourself. If you want Mukti, you have to
leavethe job and surrender is B G. YOU CANNOT HAVE THE CAKE AND EAT IT TOO.

KR IRS 26524

Q5 Can youtell a good humour?

KR Any jokethere or just glutton attitude of an old lady (80 years) and
the turning awayof good intentions of children are depicted as joke?

K Rajaram IRS 26524

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 09:06, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty
wrote:

CULTUR

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: True Brahmin

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Dear Mr Sharma,
You are hundred percent correct. Today I read in one of his postings, his  
statement - Non Brahmins have no Gothra. He forgets Kshathrias and Vaisyas are 
having Gothra.
In a response to my QA posting today, a Logic student  he call as kid and 
states even kids know the answer. He is not able to differentiate between a 
student and kid. Further he again goes in to the details  of the QA answered by 
a student- in his language kid. It was about chiranjeevees.It is not known why 
he goes on adding  the  details if a kid knows the answer.
In another posting about 3 days back he made a lot of references and stated 
Brahmins lived by begging. Today in a posting he makes a note- How many temples 
are built by Brahmins? Can a  brahmin lives by BEGGING build a temple?
Mr Rajaram, claim to be a former IRS officer finds all those as Enemies, who 
point out his lapses. 


Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:14:16 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Friends 
Apropos Shri Rama's post, wonder when all this bickering, mud slinging, abusive 
exchanges will end
Yes, I too have been provoked into this whilpool ...provoked by a foul mouthed, 
pretender, an ex-Revenue officer, known for hurling the filthiest abuses all 
around, responding in typical gibberish English and pushing lengthy cut-paste 
mainly unreadable posts. 
Is the Group Moderator so helpless that he cannot act against this repeat 
offender?
If it were a face to face conversation, I'm sure m response would have been 
different, with the ex Revenue loud mouth finding a few of his teeth pushed 
into his stonach and a permanent black eye as a response.
In the absence of that, the guy knows he's safe in his filthy den , knowing 
that he can continue his cowardly rants, howls and filthy outliurings without 
fear of harm.
.i am all the more distressed that a few worthy iyer fans of his , instead of 
counselling him, are attempting to silence those who are countering him in his 
own language and style
Anyway, let me end by saying, on a pessimistic note that what cannot be cured 
must be endured. 
Col. Laxminarayan

On Mon, 27 May, 2024, 7:10 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, 
 wrote:

 Respected Mr Rama, 

Since  your mail addressed to me also, I fully agree with your response- "Some 
individuals habitually criticize others in group forum"
I am a victim of such criticizing for any posting done by me. I can openly 
write it is Mr Rajaram. I am still not able to digest how a former IRS officer 
goes so bad.
Gopalakrishnan
 

On Sunday, 26 May, 2024 at 09:16:00 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the feedback! KR     IRS   26524

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 10:33, Rama  wrote:


Dear Sh Jambunathan Iyer Ji, Thanks for expressing your views in all frankness. 
Some individuals habitually criticize others in group forum , often with an 
audience that encourages and amplifies their negative comments. Thus there are 
cheer leaders demonstrating their worship. This only leads to:
1. Acrimony: Bitterness and ill feelings among those being criticized and the 
wider community.2. Toxic environment: Creates a hostile atmosphere where people 
feel uncomfortable sharing their thoughts or ideas.3. Groupthink: The 
"cheerleaders" reinforce the critic's opinions, suppressing diverse 
perspectives and constructive dialogue.4. Bullying: Repeated public criticism 
can be a form of bullying, causing emotional distress and silencing 
marginalized voices.5. Lack of constructive feedback: Criticism becomes focused 
on tearing down rather than providing helpful insights for growth and 
improvement.
To mitigate this, it's essential to promote a culture of respectful 
communication, active listening, and constructive feedback. Encourage 
open-mindedness, empathy, and diverse perspectives to create a positive and 
supportive environment.Wishful thinking for our Iyer group.CheersRama
On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 09:28, Jambunathan Iyer  wrote:

Very sad a Good Post on Brahmins and culture unnecessarily lead to lot of 
remarks few bad on our culture and belief and Vadhyar. Thanks to the Author and 
response mail appreciating the theme of the mail forwarded.


 N Jambunathan Rengarajapuram-Kodambakkam-Chennai-Mob:9176159004

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Re: [KeralaIyers] Sanatana dharma part 37 K R IRS 27524 26524

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Respected friends,
Mr Rajaram Krishnamurthy, in a previous article quoted many references , where 
a Brahmin has to live by BEGGING.  He also continued with the word Begging 
instead of Bhiksha.

Now he makes a note-[ KR:  is there anytemple in India built by a brahmin?]

How a beggar can build a temple? Is not the note by Mr Rajaram ridiculing?

Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:20:22 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
Sanatana dharma part 37  K R IRS27524  26524

DHANA MAHIMA  5. Skandapurana and6. Varaha Purana on Go-danaas

 5. Skanda Purana (The authenticity of Skandapuranam was proved before the 
supreme court of India in the Ayodhya case) 

 Narada described to Arjun about „Daanam‟(charity), its two „hethus‟ 
(kinds, heshyam, varieties), six „Adhishthana‟(Reasons), six „Ankas‟ 
(divisions, Parties), two „Parinaamas‟ (structures, endresults or fruits), 
three bhedas (classifications) and three „Vina- Sadhanas‟ (scattered,littering, 
negative results). The two „hethus ‟as normally perceived are aboutthe size of 
the charity-small or big- as also of the quality. But such „hethus‟are not as 
important as the „shraddha‟ or dedication and devotion are. BhagavanSiva would 
be pleased only by the sincerity and pure heart that is attached tothe charity 
rather than any other aspect. 

 Again, „Dhana- Daanam‟ or the charity of money is morepopular than „Vastu 
Daanam‟or charity of material, „VastramDaanam ‟or charity of clothes etc. since 
charity of money would buy backVastu or Vastram. Then the six „Adhishthana‟ or 
reasons of Daana are: „Dharma Daana‟ without strings attached ie. Daana givento 
the Virtuous or Dharmatmas; „Artha Daana‟ keepingin view some purpose or 
utility; „Kaama Daanaa‟like favours for women, wine or such other benefits in 
view; „Lajja Daana ( can one know the meaning of Lajja homam inwedding?)  is 
due to compulsionsof Public or Society; „Harsha Daana‟ is made onreceiving good 
news and out of happiness; and „Bhayadaana‟ out of compulsion, fear or 
avoidance of risks. The six „Ankas‟ ordonor/receiver parties are as follows: 
The Positive Donors are „Daatas‟ by nature; the „Dharmatmas‟or the Virtuous; 
those desirous of donating willingly and happily; the „Vyasana rahit‟ or devoid 
of bad habits; „Pavitra‟ or Symbols of Purity and „Anindaneeya‟ or the 
blemishless. The Negative Donorsare ill mannered, indolent, evil minded, 
persons of bad habits, persons who swear to support theEvil and persons who are 
sleepy!

     Among the Good Receivers of Charity are thoseof good „Kula‟ or caste, who 
has „Vidya‟ or good Education, good „Aachaaram‟ orfamily bearing / tradition, 
earners of rightful way of life or of Satvik Life,of kind heart, „Jitendriya‟ 
or of Controlled Emotions and finally of excellentparenthood. The second 
category of receivers of donations is of pleasantvisage, of sincerity and 
thankfulness but not of demanding nature, cantankerous or mean. The donors of 
charity must havethe perspective of what kind of material is required or useful 
to the receiveror otherwise the purpose of charity would be defeated. 

 The two „Parinaamas end results/fruits areeither gain of „Punya‟ for the 
„Paralokam‟ or after death or for use in „Ihalokam‟or the current life to the 
receiver. Here we have wonderful, Tirukkurals:

1Immailkkum enai marumaikkum  THATHAM KARUMAME  kattalaik kal. The Karma 
onlydetermines the life here as well as there. Karma used as our action and 
therewards. 

2  Arullilarkku avvulagamilai angu Porulillarkkuivvulagamaillai. Without 
Easwara kadaksham one cannot enter swargam so toowithout reasonable money. 
Living on earth is difficult. Hence dhaanam assumesgreater importance. Earning 
is a must but not beyond the reasonableexpectations crossing the varna dharma. 

 The latter „Dannas‟ or for the use ofIhalok are of four types viz. 
Dhruva, Trika, Kamya andNaimittika. (already seen in yesterday text also) 
Dhruva is for publicuse like digging wells, construction of Temples, [ KR:  is 
there anytemple in India built by a brahmin?] {KR:  There is onlyone temple for 
Brahma in ushkar but even in Sunka dynasty temple was not builtI think}  
gardens, Choultries,schools etc. Trikha is for daily utility like 
„NithyaDaana‟, say Vidya Daan. Kamya Daan is to fulfil one ‟s own desires 
likevictory, wealth, might etc. Naimittika Daana is like Samkranti Daana, 
Grahana(Eclipse) Daana, Daana at auspicious occasions like weddings, Vrathams 
etc. orKriyapeksha Daana like Shraadh, Vratams etc.; Gunapeksha Daana like 
Vidyabhyasand so on. 

   Three „Bhedas‟or types of Daan areclassified; the best types are charity 
of houses, temples, buildings, Bhumi(farms / fields), cows, Wells, gold and 
ornaments and the best of course is togive away one‟s own life itself as 
„Daana‟. The Secondary Variety of charityrelates to Anna (Food grains), Vastra 
(Clothing), „Vahana‟ etc. The tertiarykind of Daana is to donate footwear, 
umbrellas,

Re: [KeralaIyers] Pitu Gotra KR IRS 26524 27524 contd

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Respected sir,
Since my name is also included in the address bar, I have the follwing to 
comment on Mr Rajaram's posting under reference. I am not sure whether the 
following last lines are of his own or copied, which is reproduced below:-
"I also think gotram tends to set apart brahmins from non-brahmins,a vestige of 
an often distasteful social  past that I would rather move away from.  For this 
 very reason, I avoid reference to it, as wellas to the term "Iyengar", whose 
meaning is shrouded in confusion". 

Sir, The above lines totally wrong. Kshathrias, Vaisyas are also having 
Gothram. They talk about the Gothram on important samskaras.
I am reproducing a google search result  about royal families of Kerala. I 
belong to Pandalam, so the search was with Pandalam royal family.
It is believed that the royal family of Pandalam belonged to the Bhargava gotra 
while other royal families in Kerala were included in the Viswamitra gotra

Similarly the chettiar community,Pilli are also having Gothra.
Gopalakrishnan


On Monday, 27 May, 2024 at 08:52:47 am IST, Bala N. Aiyer  
wrote:  
 
 Wonderful article - Thank you for sharing this information.
With kind regards & best wishes,

Bala N. Aiyer 

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:21:23 PM CDT, Bala N. Aiyer 
 wrote:  
 
 Wonderful article - Thank you for sharing this information.
With kind regards & best wishes,
Bala N. Aiyer 

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 09:52:47 PM CDT, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
Pitu Gotra KR IRS 26524    27524 contd

 

Hinduism owes a great deal to the Samkhya (Sankhya)philosophy or the Samkhya 
Darshana. Samkhya means number. The Samkhyaphilosophy deals with the number of 
realities that are present in existence. Itexerted a profound influence on many 
scholars in ancient India, China, and,according to some, even in Greece. Even 
today, it attracts the attention ofmany scholars, although it is not a living 
philosophy and has no activefollowers. However, aspects of its original 
doctrine survive in present-dayHinduism as a reminder of its ancient glory.

According to the Samkhya philosophy, Prakriti or Nature isresponsible for all 
manifestation and diversity, while the individual souls(Purushas), which are 
eternal, remain passive. When they come into contact withNature, they become 
subject to its influence and are embodied by its realities.Prakriti is an 
eternal reality and the first cause of the universe. In its pureand original 
form, it is the unmanifest (avyaktam), a primal resource, the sumof the 
universal energy. It is without cause but acts as the cause and sourceof all 
effects and "the ultimate basis of the empirical universe.”

Prakriti manifests things by modifying or transforming thecauses into effects 
that are already hidden in them. Thus, the school believesin the theory of 
evolution or transformation (parinama vada), with Prakritiacting as the 
pre-programmed supreme intelligence (Mahat). Using the triplegunas and its 
various realities (tattvas), it creates the diversity of numerousbeings and 
objects. However, Prakriti has no power or control over the souls(Purushas), 
which are eternal, numerous, independent, and immutable. It cannotalso create 
life forms without the participation of the souls. Creation(Shristi) begins 
when the equilibrium of the gunas (modes) in Prakriti becomesdisturbed, and its 
realities (tattvas) manifest as organs in the beings(jivas). According to the 
school, all 24 realities (tattvas) emerge or evolveout of Nature, each having 
the predominance of one or more gunas. The 24 tattvas are listed below.

Prakriti, the Primal Nature (1)

Mahat, the GreatOne, The first evolute of Prakriti (2)

Buddhi,discriminating, reasoning, and causative intelligence (2)

Ahamkara, ego orego-principle (3)  allthese made to:

Manas, the physicalmind or brain (4)

The five panchendriyas,sense organs (9)4+5

The five karmendriyas,the organs of action (14)9+5

The five Tanmatra,subtle elements or sense perceptions (19)14+5

The five Mahabhutas,gross elements, namely the earth, water, air, fire, and 
ether (24)19+5

   These tattvas arethe evolutes of Nature. The Mahat (the Great One) is the 
first reality toemerge from Prakriti when sattva is predominant. Hence, it is 
also known as theSambhuta (the manifested). It has a universal aspect as the 
intelligence of theworld and a subtle aspect as the intelligence, buddhi, or 
the thinking mind inliving beings. It is responsible for their rationality and 
discriminatingawareness but remains mostly clouded due to the triple gunas. 
From Buddhi,ahamkaram, the self-sense, or the feeling of individuality, evolves 
andstrengthens through desires and attachments induced by the gunas. It 
isresponsible for the self-sense (ego) or the state of being (anavatva). From 
theego evolves the brain or the memorial mind (manas), which is a repository 
ofall perceptions, memories, and mental impressions and objects. Up to now, 
thetattvas we mentioned are

Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: True Brahmin

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Respected Mr Rama, 

Since  your mail addressed to me also, I fully agree with your response- "Some 
individuals habitually criticize others in group forum"
I am a victim of such criticizing for any posting done by me. I can openly 
write it is Mr Rajaram. I am still not able to digest how a former IRS officer 
goes so bad.
Gopalakrishnan
 

On Sunday, 26 May, 2024 at 09:16:00 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the feedback! KR     IRS   26524

On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 10:33, Rama  wrote:


Dear Sh Jambunathan Iyer Ji, Thanks for expressing your views in all frankness. 
Some individuals habitually criticize others in group forum , often with an 
audience that encourages and amplifies their negative comments. Thus there are 
cheer leaders demonstrating their worship. This only leads to:
1. Acrimony: Bitterness and ill feelings among those being criticized and the 
wider community.2. Toxic environment: Creates a hostile atmosphere where people 
feel uncomfortable sharing their thoughts or ideas.3. Groupthink: The 
"cheerleaders" reinforce the critic's opinions, suppressing diverse 
perspectives and constructive dialogue.4. Bullying: Repeated public criticism 
can be a form of bullying, causing emotional distress and silencing 
marginalized voices.5. Lack of constructive feedback: Criticism becomes focused 
on tearing down rather than providing helpful insights for growth and 
improvement.
To mitigate this, it's essential to promote a culture of respectful 
communication, active listening, and constructive feedback. Encourage 
open-mindedness, empathy, and diverse perspectives to create a positive and 
supportive environment.Wishful thinking for our Iyer group.CheersRama
On Sun, 26 May 2024 at 09:28, Jambunathan Iyer  wrote:

Very sad a Good Post on Brahmins and culture unnecessarily lead to lot of 
remarks few bad on our culture and belief and Vadhyar. Thanks to the Author and 
response mail appreciating the theme of the mail forwarded.


 N Jambunathan Rengarajapuram-Kodambakkam-Chennai-Mob:9176159004

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Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: CULTURAL QA 05-2024-26

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

, immutable and featureless.It is supremely
aware; it is a Consciousness. And this Consciousness is againnot a mere
awareness. It is dynamic, it is a Power. Whenthis Consciousness(1 cause)
asPower moves (2 effect) into action, creation ensues. First the Truth(Satyam)
behind the creation, formulates itself leading to the Law of theworking of that
Truth (Rtam). This self-determination of Truth is theseed of creation and it's
Law lays down the lines of manifestation and governsits development.

devarṣhi-bhūtāpta-nṛiṇāṁ pitṝīṇāṁ na kiṅkaro nāyam ṛiṇīcha rājan

sarvātmanā yaḥ śharaṇaṁ śharaṇyaṁ gato mukundaṁ parihṛityakartam (11.5.41)[v37]

ājñāyaivaṁ guṇān doṣhān mayādiṣhṭān api svakān

dharmān santyajya yaḥ sarvān māṁ bhajeta sa tu sattamaḥ(11.11.32) [v38]

guru pitu mātu na jānahu kāhū, kahahu subhāū nātha patiyāū

more sabahiñ eka tumha swāmī, dinabhandhu ura antarayamī[v39]

mātā nāsti pitā na ’sti na ’sti me swajano janaḥ [v40]

“I do not know any mother, father, or relative (God iseverything to me).”

---

KR IRS 26524

Q5 Can youtell a good humour?

KR Any jokethere or just glutton attitude of an old lady (80 years) and
the turning awayof good intentions of children are depicted as joke?

K Rajaram IRS 26524

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wrote:

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-26

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Quora answers may not be 100% correctanswers.

Compiledandposted by R. Gopala krishnan, on 26-05-2024

Q1 Who are the 8 Chiranjivs likeAshwatthama?

A1 AbhishekMehra, Student at Logic (philosophy) (2016–present)Feb 1

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-26

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-26

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Q1   Who are the 8 Chiranjivs likeAshwatthama?

A1   AbhishekMehra, Student at Logic (philosophy) (2016–present)Feb 1

1 Maharshi Vyas- he is the one who had written Mahabharat( henarrated, Ganeshji 
has written it).

2 Hanumanji- sankat kate mite sab peera, jo sumire hanumatbalveera, son of mata 
anjana and kesari and auras putra of pawan dev. there aremany places in india 
which has experienced the presence of lord hanuman ji onesuch place is Cheend 
dham in mp

3 Parashuramji- A warrior born in brahman kul, regarded assixth incarnation of 
lord Vishnu, it is believed that he will be guru of Kalkiavtar.

4 Vibhishana- younger brother of Ravana and Kumbhakarna, asage born in demons 
society, he is believed to live until the end of Maha yug.

5 Ashwatthama- son of Dronacharya, born with a Mani on hisforehead, after 
killing of pandava’s sons the mani was removed by bheem andShri Krishna cursed 
him - ki kalyug ke ant tak isi prakar dard me bhatakterahoge, it is believed 
that he resides in the forests of pachmari and sometimesasks ghee or oil from 
tribal people to apply it on his wound of forehead.

6 Mahabali- grandson of prahlad, still believed to be alive,and in southern 
states a special puja is conducted during onam for him.

7- Kripacharya- guru of pandava and kourava, and his sisterwas married to 
dronacharya, is still believed to be alive

8 Maharshi Markandey- it is believed on his death day heworshipped shivji and 
due to this got the boon of immortalism.

Apart from the 8 Nandiji, Jaambavan and Narad muni areconsidered immortal.

Q2   Is the Oxford comma necessary?

A2   DougEdwards,B.A. in English (language) & Education, Not Ivy League 
(Graduated1900)Updated 4y

 “I’d like you to meetmy parents, Jennifer Lopez and the Pope.”

Without the Oxford comma, this sentence could mean that myparents are Jennifer 
Lopez and the Pope. With it, it can ONLY mean I amintroducing you to four 
people: my parents (mother and father), Jennifer Lopez,and the Pope.

The Oxford comma is not required, but I would argue thatthere is simply no good 
reason to NOT use it. I have never seen an instance inwhich it added ambiguity 
and many, many instances in which its absence made themeaning unclear.

Is it necessary? I would argue that it is.-Doug

Q3   Can you tell some interestinginformation about Elephants?

A3   AbhishekKashyap, Student 3h

Indian elephants do live in forests, African-Bush elephantsdo not.

But here’s the thing.

Notice the tusks that are quite literally longer than thatlion. Notice the size 
difference , notice the lack of weak spots.

Elephants do not need to be protected from any predator, afull grown 
African-Bush elephant is pretty much completely undisputed by anyand all 
animals (yes, including lions).

The only time an elephant is at risk from predators is whenthey are very young.

Elephants need us to protect them from cowardly poachers, notLions and Tigers.

Q4   As per Hinduism, sleeping aftersunrise is a sin. I have got a job 
after trying for 3 years, but it’s fromnight 9 pm to morning 5 am. Will I 
attain moksha if I don't quit this job?

A4   Rama G, FormerSelf Employed home maker. At present also.23h

I have not read anywhere Hinduism telling about sins,confessions etc.

It says about dharma, some rules to follow in life forcertain benefits. If you 
don't follow them you don't get those benefits whichyou are supposed to get . 
That's it. Neither you will be stoned nor crucified ,nor beheaded for it.

Again Dharma means not religious rituals.Spiritual practices.

Sun is hot. The heat is his Dharma.

Fire burns. It's Dharma of it.

Ice cools. It's Dharma of it.

Dharma means ‘lakshanam’. It's characterstic.

Everything has its own Dharma. Following it in it's purestform is called Hindu 
dharma.

What will happen if you don't follow it? You don't get thebenefits what you are 
supposed to get.

There is no ‘sin’ in Hinduism. It's “dosham and pariharam”always. There is no 
equalent words for them in English. So, they translate itas Sin.

Dosham means a thing you are not supposed to do or notsupposed to happen.

Pariharam is a rectification act.This is the nearesttranslation of those two 
words by me though not exact.

It's not a religious practice always.

Where is sin concept in this ?

Of course it's Adharma if you harm others. Because humandharma is not harming 
others. What will happen if you do that? You will facethe consequences whatever 
they are. That's it.

In this job you are not harming anyone. You are affectingyour body. Because 
body’s dharma is sleeping at night, waking up at day . Youare going against it.

Then do something to get rid of that effects. By sleepingextra time since there 
is difference in the quality

Sugavaneswarar Temple, Salem-FORWARD

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

SugavaneswararTemple, Salem-FORWARD

Dear friends,

While I was working at Sivakasi during 1973, a Juniorengineer trainee, by name
Sugavaneswaran reported to me for training. He was atelephone inspector
earlier. I asked him about the name, he told me that he isnamed after Lord
Sugavaneswara. He was a young Brahmin.

I had to prepare for class II examination at that time; Itried best for
condensed Code books from somewhere, since stock exhausted fromthe publisher.
It was a wonder he was keeping a book, though he was a traineeat that time. I
took the book from him, and returned duly after passing examination in 1974-
TES Class II Examination.

I remembered about him on reading the posting about Sugavaneswaratemple at
Raichur,posted by Jambunatha Iyer. The following is the information on web
fromTamilnadu Tourism about the Sugavaneswa temple at Salem.

I have highlighted my passing of TES class II examination. Allmembers know the
reason.

Gopalakrishnan 26-5-2023

1 Location and Historicinformation

Sugavaneswarar Temple is situated at cherry road, fort,Salem. The temple is 500
years old and exhibits our country’s heritage at itsbest. Evidences of the rule
of the great kings Cheran, Chozan, and Pandian canbe witnessed here.

Deities

This temple is dedicated to Lord Shiva who is in the nameSugavaneswarar along
with his consort Goddess Parvathi in the nameMaragathavalli or Sornambigai.

The other deity here is valamburi Vinayagar with two faces.The temple spread
over two acres of land has Shiva, Parvathi and Vinayaga whoare known as the
“Mummoorthigal” and the place is quite popular among Shivites.

Legend/Mythology

The Story goes like this. Lord Brahma was sharing a secretwith few, while Sage
Shuka an ardent devotee of Lord Shiva eavesdropped and wascursed by Lord Brahma
and he turned into a parrot. Brahma said that he would berelieved of the curse
when he worships Lord Shiva at Papanasam.

One day Sage Sukha came along with other parrots to worshipShiva. A hunter
seeing this wanted to drive away all the parrots. Hence, allthe parrots hid in
the nearby ant hill. Hunter started attacking the parrotswhile Sage Shuka
spread his wings over the lingam to protect it. In this coursehe was killed and
the Lingam also was damaged a little and got tilted to aside. Thus, Sage Shuka
was relieved of his curse and he pleaded Shiva to stay therein the name of
Sugavaneswarar (Parrot+eswar). Obliging the request, Shivastayed there to bless
his devotees.

Speciality

The speciality of the temple is the tilted Lingam whichcannot be seen anywhere
else. People pray Shiva for good health, wealth,prosperity, effects of planets,
bad omen of Lizard falling anywhere on the body etc.

Temple Timings

The temple is open from 6.00 a.m. to 12.00 a.m. and 4.00 p.m.to 9.00 p.m. You
must visit the temple when you are here at Salem to have adifferent experience
as it is one of its kinds.

Re: [iyer123] Thoughts

2024-05-26 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Sir,
I fully agree with first two lines. 
The third line I am not able to agree 100%. Animal qualities are with humans, 
with some,more very bad animal qualities. Hence we cannot be rich what we are 
in some person's hearts. 

Without telling our otherwise pleasant group has a few such members.
Gopalakrishnan

On Sunday, 26 May, 2024 at 01:51:13 pm IST, Rama  
wrote:  
 
 *Life Is A Continuous Challenge & An Unending Struggle.*

*We R Not Rich By What Is In Our Pocket,**But We R Rich By What We R In Others' 
Hearts!*
CheersRama

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Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] True Brahmin

2024-05-25 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

m which he could not complete as Arabindo also did partially. {DAV
school is an example] K Rajaram IRS 25524

NUMEROUS ORGANISATIONS WORKING ALL OVER THE WORLD UNDER ARYA SAMAJ

- There are approximately 1 Arya Samaj Temples in the whole world.
- Approximately 2500 Schools, Colleges and Universities are being operated
by Arya Samaj including DAVs.
- Operation of approximately 400 Gurukuls running on the residential
education system.
- Many orphanages are in operation for bringing up more than 2 orphans
in different places.
- Approximately 1500 hospitals and dispensaries are being run by Arya Samaj
to serve the mankind
- , organizing thousands of inter-caste marriages every year with simplicity.
- Operation of thousands of gymnasiums (Vyayam shalas) for physical
development of youngsters by Arya Veer Dal.
- Thousands of residential camps are being organised every year for moral
education and physical development.
- Operation of Schools in tribal areas for the education of lakhs of tribal.
- Operation of permanent residential centers in cities for higher education
of youngsters of poor and backward families.
- Operation of centers for training women to run small scale businesses.
- Operation of many Mahila Ashram, Vanaprastha Ashram & Sanyas Ashram.
- Operation of many Gaushalas in the whole country.

PRESENCE OF ARYA SAMAJ IN THE WORLD

At present Arya Samaj is operating in more than 32 countries of the world

America Canada Suriname Trinidad

Mauritius England Australia Nepal

New Zealand Thailand Fiji Kenya

South Africa Uganda East Africa Myanmar

Pakistan Germany Singapore West Indies

Holland Tanzania Zanzibar Bangladesh

Ghana Guyana Czech Republic Malaysia

Armenia

On Sat, 25 May 2024 at 01:45, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty
wrote:

Dear Mr Sharma,
The same with Kerala also. In 75% of cases except the funeral all other Karmas
are conducted at Palghat, Trichur , Cochin or Trivandrum. In these places for
all Antyakarams, the Kerala Brahmana Samajam has made arrangements for stay,
place for karma, sasthrikals and Brahmins. Also for sradha.

Arya samajam is not famous, if available .
Gopalakrishnan

On Saturday, 25 May, 2024 at 09:53:24 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma
wrote:

Dear GK Sir
May be your take on Chennai Vadhyars is right. So that being the case, it's
sensible to get all tge rites performed by the Arya Samaj.

On Sat, 25 May, 2024, 7:52 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123,
wrote:

Yes sir. We agree to it in all places.
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 07:08:18 pm IST, Rama
wrote:

Thanks Gopala ji. Your added input is appreciable. Yes we do find it difficult
to find Brahmanas esp for shrardam rituals. We do our rituals at the venue
prescribed by our Vadhyar. They have good net working, make all arrangements
and charge as a package. It works out well

On Fri, 24 May, 2024, 18:38 gopala krishnan, wrote:

Sir,
One of the best postings I read. Though in Tamil, because of the interest in
the subject matter I read with little strain.

There is no category like Srardha brahmins. As I read a learnt Vedic person
must be a Bhoktha.
Before decades the sasthrikal himself used to sit as Viswam deva in Central
Kerala area. The Brahmana samooham members themselves appeared as Bhokthas.

Now every where sasthrikal arranges bhokthas. He has a list of persons. Mostly
poor Brahmins.
For death related functions the bhokthas are a set of Brahmins, their identity
is known to sasthrikal only. Whether handicapped, having wounds or any other
deficiencies, the kartha has to adjust. Not much inquiries or talks.
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 12:33:18 pm IST, Rama
wrote:

அது ஒரு அழகிய அக்ரஹாரம். சுமார் நூறு குடும்பங்கள் வசிக்கின்றனர். கிழக்கில்
சிவன் கோவில். மேற்கில் பெருமாள் கோவில். வாய்க்காலில் எப்போதும் ஜலம் ஓடிக்
கொண்டிருக் கும். வயல், விவசாயம்,தென்னை,மாமரங்கள் என ஊரே குளு குளு என இருக்கும்.
பத்து மைலில் திருநெல்வேலி டவுன். நாள், கிழமை, சுவாமி புறப்பாடு, திருநாள்.
எதற்கும் குறைவில்லை. பிரச்சினை இல்லாதபிராமண சமாஜம். அதோ மேற்கில் ஒருஆத்தில்,
சாஸ்திரிகள் பரபரப்பாக இருக்கிறார். வாருங்கள் என்ன என்று பார்ப்போம். கதை
அங்குதான் தொடங்குகிறது.
சாஸ்திரிகளே, மணிபத்து ஆகிவிட்டது. ஸ்ரார்த்தத்திற்கு ஒரு பிராமணாள் வந்துட்டார்.
மணி மாமா இன்னும் வல்லியே. கர்த்தா பாலு ஐயர் கவலைப் படுகிறார்‌‌. அவர் அம்மா
திடீரென கீழே விழுந்து, ஆஸ்பத்திரியில் இருக்காராம். மன்னிச்சுக்குங்கோ வர தோது
இல

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-25

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CULTURAL QA 05-2024-25

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.Compiledand posted byR. Gopala krishnan,  on 25-05-2024

Q1 What was the conversation betweenKarna and Lord Krishna in the 
Mahabharat local version?

A1 SmartLucky, Tue

In Mahabharat's local version, Karna asks Lord Krishna -"My mother left me the 
moment I was born.Is it my fault I was born anillegitimate child?

I did not get the education from Dhronachary because I wasconsidered not a 
Kshatriya.

Parshu-Raam taught me but then gave me the curse to forgeteverything (much 
before he came to know I was Son of Kunthi belong to Kshatriya).

A cow was accidentally hit by my arrow & its owner cursedme for no fault of 
mine.

I was disgraced in Draupadi's Swayamvar.

Even Kunthi finally told me the truth only to save her othersons.

Whatever I receivedwas through Duryodhan's charity. So how am I wrong in taking 
his side ?

**Lord Krishn replies, "Karna, I was born in a jail.Death was waiting for me 
even before my birth.

The night I was born I was separated from my birth parents.

>From childhood, you grew up hearing the noise of swords,chariots, horses, bow, 
>and arrows.I got only cow herd's shed, dung,  attempts on my life 
>even b4 I cud walk.No Army, No Education.

I could hear people saying I am reason for all theirproblems.When all of you 
were being appreciated for your valour by yourteachers I had not even received 
any education.

I joined Gurukul of Rishi Sandipani only at the age of 16! .You aremarried to a 
girl of your choice. I didn't get the girl I loved & ratherended up marrying 
those who wanted me or the ones I rescued from demons.

I had to move my whole community from the banks of Yamuna tofar off Sea shore 
from Jarasandh, I was called a coward for running away.

If Duryodhan wins the war you will get a lot of credit. Whatdo I get if 
Dharmaraaj wins the war?

Only the blame for the war and all related problems...Remember one thing, Karna.

Everybody has Challenges in life to face. LIFE IS NOT FAIR& EASY ON ANYBODY!!!

But what is Right (Dharma) is known to your Mind(conscience). No matter how 
much unfairness we got, how many times we wereDisgraced, we Fall, what is 
important is how you REACTED at that time.

 

Life's unfairness does not give you license to walk the wrongpath.

Always remember,

Life may be tough at few points, but DESTINY is not createdby the SHOES we wear 
but by the STEPS we take.

Q2 What are some interestinginformation about Madurai Meenakshi 
temple?

A2 ChauhanBabu Nath,4h

This temple was built by Devraj Indra- millions of years ago

Meenakshi Amma Temple - Shiva marriage with Meenakshi  took place in this 
temple.

Meenakshi Temple, Madurai - in front of which every beautifulthing in the world 
is nothing..."Kanchi you Kamakshi, Madurai Meenakshi, DakshineKanyakumari is my 
Shakti form Bhagwati.

I bow down to you, I bow down to you.

That is, the name of Shakti in Kanchi is Kamakshi Ji,Meenakshi in Madurai and 
Kanyakumari in the south.

The people here believe that Lord Shiva was married in thistemple. This huge 
and magnificent temple of Maa is in Madurai city of TamilNadu. This temple 
Meenakshi Amman Temple is one of the most important templesof ancient India. 
This Amman temple of Maa Meenakshi has been nominated for thenew seven wonders 
of the world.

The architecture and structure of this temple is amazing, dueto which it is 
ranked first in the list of seven wonders of the modern world,and the reason 
for this is its amazing architecture. There are 12 magnificentgopurams in this 
building complex, which are very elaborately crafted. Theyhave been painted and 
painted very finely and skillfully, which is a sight tobehold. This temple is a 
very important symbol of the Tamil people, and it hasbeen described in Tamil 
literature since ancient times.

Mythology

According to Hindu scriptures, Lord Shiva himself descendedon earth as 
Sundareswarar to marry Goddess Parvati Meenakshi. This marriage wasconsidered 
to be the biggest event of the world, with people from almost thewhole world 
gathering in Madurai. Lord Vishnu himself came from his abodeVaikuntha to 
conduct this marriage. As per divine play, he got delayed on theway due to 
Indra. In the meantime, the marriage was conducted by the localdeity Koodal 
Azhagar. Later, an angry Lord Vishnu came and vowed never to cometo Madurai 
city. And he settled in Alagar Koil, a beautiful hill on theoutskirts of the 
city. Later, he was persuaded by other gods, and he performedthe marriage of 
Meenakshi-Sundareshwarar.

This marriage and the appeasement of Lord Vishnu, both arecelebrated as the 
biggest festival of Madurai, called Chithirai Thiruvizha orAzhakar Thiruvizha, 
meaning the festival of the beautiful God.

The city was ruled for a long time by this divine couple. Itis not described 
what happened to the

Re: [iyer123] True Brahmin

2024-05-25 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Dear Mr Sharma,
The same with Kerala also. In 75% of cases except the funeral all other Karmas 
are conducted at Palghat, Trichur , Cochin or Trivandrum. In these places for 
all Antyakarams, the Kerala Brahmana Samajam has made arrangements for stay, 
place for karma, sasthrikals and Brahmins. Also for sradha. 

Arya samajam is not famous, if available . 
Gopalakrishnan



On Saturday, 25 May, 2024 at 09:53:24 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear GK Sir
May be your take on Chennai Vadhyars is right. So that being the case, it's 
sensible to get all tge rites performed by the Arya Samaj.


On Sat, 25 May, 2024, 7:52 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, 
 wrote:

 Yes sir. We agree to it in all places. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 07:08:18 pm IST, Rama  
wrote:  
 
 Thanks Gopala ji. Your added input is appreciable. Yes we do find it difficult 
to find Brahmanas esp for shrardam rituals. We do our rituals at the venue 
prescribed by our Vadhyar. They have good net working, make all arrangements 
and charge as a package. It works out well

On Fri, 24 May, 2024, 18:38 gopala krishnan,  wrote:

 Sir,
One of the best postings I read. Though in Tamil, because of the interest in 
the subject matter I read with little strain. 

There is no category like Srardha brahmins. As I read a learnt Vedic person 
must be a Bhoktha. 
Before decades the sasthrikal himself used to sit as Viswam deva in Central 
Kerala area. The Brahmana samooham members themselves  appeared as Bhokthas. 

Now every where sasthrikal arranges bhokthas. He has a list of persons. Mostly 
poor Brahmins. 
For death related functions the bhokthas are a set of Brahmins, their identity 
is known to sasthrikal only. Whether handicapped, having wounds or any other 
deficiencies, the kartha has to adjust. Not much inquiries or talks. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 12:33:18 pm IST, Rama  
wrote:  
 
 அது ஒரு அழகிய அக்ரஹாரம். சுமார் நூறு குடும்பங்கள் வசிக்கின்றனர். கிழக்கில் 
சிவன் கோவில். மேற்கில் பெருமாள் கோவில். வாய்க்காலில் எப்போதும் ஜலம் ஓடிக் 
கொண்டிருக் கும். வயல், விவசாயம்,தென்னை,மாமரங்கள் என ஊரே குளு குளு என இருக்கும். 
பத்து மைலில் திருநெல்வேலி டவுன். நாள், கிழமை, சுவாமி புறப்பாடு, திருநாள். 
எதற்கும் குறைவில்லை. பிரச்சினை இல்லாதபிராமண சமாஜம். அதோ மேற்கில் ஒருஆத்தில், 
சாஸ்திரிகள் பரபரப்பாக இருக்கிறார். வாருங்கள் என்ன என்று பார்ப்போம். கதை 
அங்குதான் தொடங்குகிறது.
சாஸ்திரிகளே, மணிபத்து ஆகிவிட்டது. ஸ்ரார்த்தத்திற்கு ஒரு பிராமணாள் வந்துட்டார். 
மணி மாமா இன்னும் வல்லியே. கர்த்தா பாலு ஐயர் கவலைப் படுகிறார்‌‌.  அவர் அம்மா 
திடீரென கீழே விழுந்து, ஆஸ்பத்திரியில் இருக்காராம். மன்னிச்சுக்குங்கோ வர தோது 
இல்லை அப்படீன்னு சொல்றார். பத்தரைமணிக்கு எந்த பிராமணாள் கிடைப்பா.. இவ்வளவு 
பெரிய அக்ரஹாரத்தில் ஐந்தாறு பேர் தான் பிராமணார்த்தம் சாப்பிட வரா‌. என்ன 
பண்றதுனு ஒண்ணும் புரியலை. வாத்யார்கைகளைப் பிசைகிறார்‌.
மாமா, ஒரு நிமிஷம் கர்த்தாவின் மனைவி வாத்யாரைக் கூப்பிட,சொல்லுங்கோ மாமி 
என்கிறார் வாத்யார் சீனு. நாலு அகம் தள்ளிபுதுசா ஒரு ஃபேமிலி வந்திருக்கா. அவாத்து 
மாமா டெய்லி இந்த டயத்தில் பஞ்ச கச்சம் கட்டிண்டு காரில் ஏறிஎங்கேயோ போறார். 
அவர்கிட்ட வேணா கேட்டுப் பார்க்கலாம்.
"அவரே ஊருக்கு புதுசு.. அவர்கிட்ட எப்படி..." வாத்யார் இழுக்க, " சும்மா 
கேட்டுத்தான் பாருங்கோ..காசா.. பணமா" மாமி உசுப்பி விட வாத்யார் அரை மனதுடன் 
கிளம்புகிறார். 
" மாமா.. மாமா" என வாத்யார் அந்தப் புதியவர் ஆத்தில் கூப்பிட, உள்ளிருந்துபட்டை 
விபூதி, பஞ்ச கச்சத்துடன் அவர் வெளியே வருகிறார்.வாங்கோ..உள்ளே வாங்கோ என வாத்யாரை 
அழைத்துஉட்காரச் சொல்லி சொல்லுங்கோ மாமா..என்ன விஷயம்" எனக் கேட்க" நான் இந்த 
அக்ரஹார வாத்யார். பக்கத்து ஆத்தில் ஸ்ரார்த்தம். திடீரென ஒரு பிராமணாள் வர 
முடியாத சூழ்நிலை. ஸ்ரார்த்தம் தடை படக்கூடாது. அதான் நீங்க பிராமணாள வர 
முடியுமானு கேட்க வந்தேன். நீங்க அக்ரஹாரத்துக்கு புதுசு. தப்பா இருந்தா 
ஷமிக்கணும்‌."
அவர் சற்று யோசித்து விட்டு சிரித்தவாறே நல்ல வேளை. இன்னிக்கு குருவாரம் கார்த்தால 
விரதம். ஒரு நிமிஷம் என்றவாறு உள்ளே செல்கிறார். சற்று நேரத்தில் வெளியே வந்து ஒரு 
மணிக்கு முடிஞ்சுடுமா எனக் கேட்க, வாத்யார் மகிழ்ச்சியுடன் பன்னண்டரைக்கு நீங்க 
கிளம்பிடலாம்என்கிறார். " சரி கிளம்புங்கோ.. நான்'மடி' கட்டிண்டு வரேன்" 
என்கிறார். வாத்யார் மகிழ்ச்சியுடன் சென்று விபரங்களைக் கூற எல்லோருக்கும் பரம 
சந்தோஷம்‌.
வாத்யார் பரபரவென காரியத்தை ஆரம்பிக்க அந்தப் புதியவர் உள்ளே வரவாங்கோ.. வாங்கோ 
ரொம்ப சந்தோஷம். நல்ல நேரத்தில் உபகாரம் பண்ணினேள். என அவரை உபசாரம் பண்ண, பிறகு 
மளமளவென பிராமணாள் சாப்பிட்டு தக்ஷிணை பெற்று ஸ்ரார்த்தம் முடிவடைந்தது. மீண்டும் 
அவருக்கு நன்றி கூற அவர் சொல்கிறார்.
" பிராமணார்த்தம் சாப்பிடுவது பிராமணனின் கடமை. முடிந்தவரை மாட்டேன் என 
சொல்லக்கூடாது. இது ரொம்ப புண்ணியம். எல்லா பித்ருக்கள் ஆசிகளும் கிடைக்கும். இதை 
மகா பெரியவா பலமுறை சொல்லி இருக்கா..ஆனா ரொம்ப பேர் இதுக்கு வரதில்லை. அது ரொம்ப 
பாவம். உங்கஆத்துக்கு மட்டும் வரணும்னு நினைக்கிறேள். ஆனா நீங்க மட்டும் போக 
மாட்டேன்னு சொன்னா அது நியாயமா?  என்கிறார்.
பிறகு இங்கு பிராமண சமாஜம் இருக்கா எனக் கேட்க வாத்யார் இருக்கே நான்தான் 
செக்ரட்டரி" எனக் கூற, அந்தப் புதியவர் தனக்கு தரப் பட்ட தட்சணையுடன் கூட ஐநூறு 
ரூபாய் கொடுத்து "இதை என்பங்காக வச்சுக்குங்கோ" என்றவாறு " போய்ட்டு வரேன்"  என 
கைகூப்பி

Re: [iyer123] True Brahmin

2024-05-24 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Thank you sir for writing on my response. 
Most sasthrikals in Chennai have Lakhs of deposit in different banks.  I have 
seen  personally. Most sasthrikals  take back from the participants a good 
percentage of money given to them during functions. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 07:08:18 pm IST, Rama  
wrote:  
 
 Thanks Gopala ji. Your added input is appreciable. Yes we do find it difficult 
to find Brahmanas esp for shrardam rituals. We do our rituals at the venue 
prescribed by our Vadhyar. They have good net working, make all arrangements 
and charge as a package. It works out well

On Fri, 24 May, 2024, 18:38 gopala krishnan,  wrote:

 Sir,
One of the best postings I read. Though in Tamil, because of the interest in 
the subject matter I read with little strain. 

There is no category like Srardha brahmins. As I read a learnt Vedic person 
must be a Bhoktha. 
Before decades the sasthrikal himself used to sit as Viswam deva in Central 
Kerala area. The Brahmana samooham members themselves  appeared as Bhokthas. 

Now every where sasthrikal arranges bhokthas. He has a list of persons. Mostly 
poor Brahmins. 
For death related functions the bhokthas are a set of Brahmins, their identity 
is known to sasthrikal only. Whether handicapped, having wounds or any other 
deficiencies, the kartha has to adjust. Not much inquiries or talks. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 12:33:18 pm IST, Rama  
wrote:  
 
 அது ஒரு அழகிய அக்ரஹாரம். சுமார் நூறு குடும்பங்கள் வசிக்கின்றனர். கிழக்கில் 
சிவன் கோவில். மேற்கில் பெருமாள் கோவில். வாய்க்காலில் எப்போதும் ஜலம் ஓடிக் 
கொண்டிருக் கும். வயல், விவசாயம்,தென்னை,மாமரங்கள் என ஊரே குளு குளு என இருக்கும். 
பத்து மைலில் திருநெல்வேலி டவுன். நாள், கிழமை, சுவாமி புறப்பாடு, திருநாள். 
எதற்கும் குறைவில்லை. பிரச்சினை இல்லாதபிராமண சமாஜம். அதோ மேற்கில் ஒருஆத்தில், 
சாஸ்திரிகள் பரபரப்பாக இருக்கிறார். வாருங்கள் என்ன என்று பார்ப்போம். கதை 
அங்குதான் தொடங்குகிறது.
சாஸ்திரிகளே, மணிபத்து ஆகிவிட்டது. ஸ்ரார்த்தத்திற்கு ஒரு பிராமணாள் வந்துட்டார். 
மணி மாமா இன்னும் வல்லியே. கர்த்தா பாலு ஐயர் கவலைப் படுகிறார்‌‌.  அவர் அம்மா 
திடீரென கீழே விழுந்து, ஆஸ்பத்திரியில் இருக்காராம். மன்னிச்சுக்குங்கோ வர தோது 
இல்லை அப்படீன்னு சொல்றார். பத்தரைமணிக்கு எந்த பிராமணாள் கிடைப்பா.. இவ்வளவு 
பெரிய அக்ரஹாரத்தில் ஐந்தாறு பேர் தான் பிராமணார்த்தம் சாப்பிட வரா‌. என்ன 
பண்றதுனு ஒண்ணும் புரியலை. வாத்யார்கைகளைப் பிசைகிறார்‌.
மாமா, ஒரு நிமிஷம் கர்த்தாவின் மனைவி வாத்யாரைக் கூப்பிட,சொல்லுங்கோ மாமி 
என்கிறார் வாத்யார் சீனு. நாலு அகம் தள்ளிபுதுசா ஒரு ஃபேமிலி வந்திருக்கா. அவாத்து 
மாமா டெய்லி இந்த டயத்தில் பஞ்ச கச்சம் கட்டிண்டு காரில் ஏறிஎங்கேயோ போறார். 
அவர்கிட்ட வேணா கேட்டுப் பார்க்கலாம்.
"அவரே ஊருக்கு புதுசு.. அவர்கிட்ட எப்படி..." வாத்யார் இழுக்க, " சும்மா 
கேட்டுத்தான் பாருங்கோ..காசா.. பணமா" மாமி உசுப்பி விட வாத்யார் அரை மனதுடன் 
கிளம்புகிறார். 
" மாமா.. மாமா" என வாத்யார் அந்தப் புதியவர் ஆத்தில் கூப்பிட, உள்ளிருந்துபட்டை 
விபூதி, பஞ்ச கச்சத்துடன் அவர் வெளியே வருகிறார்.வாங்கோ..உள்ளே வாங்கோ என வாத்யாரை 
அழைத்துஉட்காரச் சொல்லி சொல்லுங்கோ மாமா..என்ன விஷயம்" எனக் கேட்க" நான் இந்த 
அக்ரஹார வாத்யார். பக்கத்து ஆத்தில் ஸ்ரார்த்தம். திடீரென ஒரு பிராமணாள் வர 
முடியாத சூழ்நிலை. ஸ்ரார்த்தம் தடை படக்கூடாது. அதான் நீங்க பிராமணாள வர 
முடியுமானு கேட்க வந்தேன். நீங்க அக்ரஹாரத்துக்கு புதுசு. தப்பா இருந்தா 
ஷமிக்கணும்‌."
அவர் சற்று யோசித்து விட்டு சிரித்தவாறே நல்ல வேளை. இன்னிக்கு குருவாரம் கார்த்தால 
விரதம். ஒரு நிமிஷம் என்றவாறு உள்ளே செல்கிறார். சற்று நேரத்தில் வெளியே வந்து ஒரு 
மணிக்கு முடிஞ்சுடுமா எனக் கேட்க, வாத்யார் மகிழ்ச்சியுடன் பன்னண்டரைக்கு நீங்க 
கிளம்பிடலாம்என்கிறார். " சரி கிளம்புங்கோ.. நான்'மடி' கட்டிண்டு வரேன்" 
என்கிறார். வாத்யார் மகிழ்ச்சியுடன் சென்று விபரங்களைக் கூற எல்லோருக்கும் பரம 
சந்தோஷம்‌.
வாத்யார் பரபரவென காரியத்தை ஆரம்பிக்க அந்தப் புதியவர் உள்ளே வரவாங்கோ.. வாங்கோ 
ரொம்ப சந்தோஷம். நல்ல நேரத்தில் உபகாரம் பண்ணினேள். என அவரை உபசாரம் பண்ண, பிறகு 
மளமளவென பிராமணாள் சாப்பிட்டு தக்ஷிணை பெற்று ஸ்ரார்த்தம் முடிவடைந்தது. மீண்டும் 
அவருக்கு நன்றி கூற அவர் சொல்கிறார்.
" பிராமணார்த்தம் சாப்பிடுவது பிராமணனின் கடமை. முடிந்தவரை மாட்டேன் என 
சொல்லக்கூடாது. இது ரொம்ப புண்ணியம். எல்லா பித்ருக்கள் ஆசிகளும் கிடைக்கும். இதை 
மகா பெரியவா பலமுறை சொல்லி இருக்கா..ஆனா ரொம்ப பேர் இதுக்கு வரதில்லை. அது ரொம்ப 
பாவம். உங்கஆத்துக்கு மட்டும் வரணும்னு நினைக்கிறேள். ஆனா நீங்க மட்டும் போக 
மாட்டேன்னு சொன்னா அது நியாயமா?  என்கிறார்.
பிறகு இங்கு பிராமண சமாஜம் இருக்கா எனக் கேட்க வாத்யார் இருக்கே நான்தான் 
செக்ரட்டரி" எனக் கூற, அந்தப் புதியவர் தனக்கு தரப் பட்ட தட்சணையுடன் கூட ஐநூறு 
ரூபாய் கொடுத்து "இதை என்பங்காக வச்சுக்குங்கோ" என்றவாறு " போய்ட்டு வரேன்"  என 
கைகூப்பி விடைபெறுகிறார்.
வாத்யார், " மாமா..ஒரு நிமிஷம்.. நீங்க யாரு..என்ன உத்யோகம் என சொல்லலையே" எனக் 
கேட்க, அவர் சிரித்தவாறே *நான் திருநெல்வேலி மாவட்ட கலெக்டர்" என்கிறார்.*

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CULTURAL QA 05-2024-24

2024-05-24 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-24

All the below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  24-05-2024.

Quora answers need not be 100% correctanswers.

Compiledandposted by R. Gopala krishnan,  on 24-05-2024

Q1 Can youtell about the Crown of the Tsar of Russia

A1  T Shiv Tandon,14h

he Russian imperialcrown, also known as the Grand Imperial Crown, was the 
principal symbol ofpower of Russian monarchs and the main imperial attribute 
between 1762 and1917. It was worn by all the country's sovereigns, beginning 
with Catherine IIand all the way up to Nicholas II. Created by court jeweler 
George FriedrichEckart and diamond craftsman Jeremiah Posier, it is adorned 
with no less than4,936 diamonds (a total of 2,858 carats), 75 large Indian matt 
pearls and a398.72 carats spinel.

Following theRevolution, this incredible object fortunately remained in the 
country andsurvived the tumultuous events. Nowadays, however, it is on lock in 
the DiamondFund collection, in the Moscow Kremlin, and is not accessible to the 
publicbecause its value is simply too high to take any risk. In order to 
showcase thesplendor of this crown, however, a replica of it was made in 2012 
for about onebillion rubles (13.22 million euros) and was exhibited throughout 
Russia andeven beyond its borders.

Q2 What is thelegend- Gone to Worship Lord but got Entangled in the 
world

A2  Dushyant, May 11

This is an oldstory. A seeker searched for Lord Vishnu and finally found him 
one day. Hegrasped his feet, overjoyed and thrilled, thinking, "I've got what 
Iwanted!" He thanked Lord Vishnu profusely and said, "Dear Lord, Justone more 
thing, Please let me do some small service for you, let me serve youin some 
way." You've given me so much - life, the ultimate celebration oflife, and now 
this eternal life too! Please Let me do something for you, so Idon't feel like 
I haven't done anything for you despite all that you've donefor me. Grant me a 
little bit of good fortune of serving you. I know you don'tneed anyone or 
anything, but my mind will be at peace if I can do something formy Lord too.

Lord Vishnu said:“But can you do it? It will be very difficult.” But the 
devotee was stubborn.So, Lord Vishnu said: “Alright, I'm thirsty. Go and get me 
a bowl of water. Afterthat, the devotee rushed off to take water for Lord. You 
might think, "Whynot just take the water from the Kshirsagar, which is right 
there?" Butwhat's nearby is often left unseen. The devotee went down to the 
earth andknocked on a door. A beautiful young woman opened it and the devotee 
asked,"Devi, can I have a bowl of cool water?" The beautiful young 
womanreplied, Yes, Ofcourse! 

But Please come in!Bless my home with your presence. Don't go away like that. 
My father has alsogone out, and I'm alone at home. If he returns and finds out 
that a Brahmincame and I didn't welcomed him in our home, he'll be very angry 
at me.”

For a moment, theBrahmin devotee feared. The woman was beautiful, extremely 
beautiful, and hehad never seen a woman as beautiful as her. Even lordvishnu 
himself seemed to fade away for a moment to the brahman devoteeand how much 
time did it took for Lord Vishnu to fade away. The devotee wasfrightened and 
worried, thinking, "Oh no, How can I forget the LordVishnu". The voice of the 
Lord seemed to be fading away. The devotee said,"No, no, this can't happen!" 
and sweat appeared on his forehead. Butthe young beautiful woman wouldn't 
listen and took the Brahmin devotee’s hand,saying, "Come inside, I won't let 
you go like this." As soon as shegrasped his hand, he completely forgot the 
Lord Vishnu. She led him inside andsaid, "You'll take the water, but first, 
please have somerefreshments." She offered him snacks and water to drink."

Solitude! Thebeauty of the young woman. The Brahmin was captivated by his charm 
and theservice given to him. Slowly Lord Vishnu was lost from his mind. 
Sometimes hewould remember that Lord Vishnu was thirsty, but then think “What 
thirst canthe lord have?, He had only said it for the sake of my request. So 
what thirstcan he have. He is in the state of supreme satisfaction, so there’s 
no hurryand he can wait for two moments”

Then the YoungBeautiful woman invited him to stay, saying :- “Now that you've 
come, my fatherwill also arrive soon and you can meet him too.” He readily 
agreed and theyoung woman continued to serve him. The beauty and form of the 
young womancaptivated his mind. Evening fell, but the father didn’t returned. 
The womansaid, “Please have dinner at least, where can you have dinner now.” 
Dinner wasprepared and the dinner was had. Night fell, the woman said, “where 
can you gonow in the night?” Even the Brahmin thought, “Where can I go now in 
the night?”He then decided to leave early in the morning in the BrahmaMuhurta 
hour. Then, several months passed, years passed but he didn’t leavethat 
place.The Brahmin stayed there and so did his family. His sons andDaughters 
grew

Re: [iyer123] True Brahmin

2024-05-24 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Sir,
One of the best postings I read. Though in Tamil, because of the interest in 
the subject matter I read with little strain. 

There is no category like Srardha brahmins. As I read a learnt Vedic person 
must be a Bhoktha. 
Before decades the sasthrikal himself used to sit as Viswam deva in Central 
Kerala area. The Brahmana samooham members themselves  appeared as Bhokthas. 

Now every where sasthrikal arranges bhokthas. He has a list of persons. Mostly 
poor Brahmins. 
For death related functions the bhokthas are a set of Brahmins, their identity 
is known to sasthrikal only. Whether handicapped, having wounds or any other 
deficiencies, the kartha has to adjust. Not much inquiries or talks. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 12:33:18 pm IST, Rama  
wrote:  
 
 அது ஒரு அழகிய அக்ரஹாரம். சுமார் நூறு குடும்பங்கள் வசிக்கின்றனர். கிழக்கில் 
சிவன் கோவில். மேற்கில் பெருமாள் கோவில். வாய்க்காலில் எப்போதும் ஜலம் ஓடிக் 
கொண்டிருக் கும். வயல், விவசாயம்,தென்னை,மாமரங்கள் என ஊரே குளு குளு என இருக்கும். 
பத்து மைலில் திருநெல்வேலி டவுன். நாள், கிழமை, சுவாமி புறப்பாடு, திருநாள். 
எதற்கும் குறைவில்லை. பிரச்சினை இல்லாதபிராமண சமாஜம். அதோ மேற்கில் ஒருஆத்தில், 
சாஸ்திரிகள் பரபரப்பாக இருக்கிறார். வாருங்கள் என்ன என்று பார்ப்போம். கதை 
அங்குதான் தொடங்குகிறது.
சாஸ்திரிகளே, மணிபத்து ஆகிவிட்டது. ஸ்ரார்த்தத்திற்கு ஒரு பிராமணாள் வந்துட்டார். 
மணி மாமா இன்னும் வல்லியே. கர்த்தா பாலு ஐயர் கவலைப் படுகிறார்‌‌.  அவர் அம்மா 
திடீரென கீழே விழுந்து, ஆஸ்பத்திரியில் இருக்காராம். மன்னிச்சுக்குங்கோ வர தோது 
இல்லை அப்படீன்னு சொல்றார். பத்தரைமணிக்கு எந்த பிராமணாள் கிடைப்பா.. இவ்வளவு 
பெரிய அக்ரஹாரத்தில் ஐந்தாறு பேர் தான் பிராமணார்த்தம் சாப்பிட வரா‌. என்ன 
பண்றதுனு ஒண்ணும் புரியலை. வாத்யார்கைகளைப் பிசைகிறார்‌.
மாமா, ஒரு நிமிஷம் கர்த்தாவின் மனைவி வாத்யாரைக் கூப்பிட,சொல்லுங்கோ மாமி 
என்கிறார் வாத்யார் சீனு. நாலு அகம் தள்ளிபுதுசா ஒரு ஃபேமிலி வந்திருக்கா. அவாத்து 
மாமா டெய்லி இந்த டயத்தில் பஞ்ச கச்சம் கட்டிண்டு காரில் ஏறிஎங்கேயோ போறார். 
அவர்கிட்ட வேணா கேட்டுப் பார்க்கலாம்.
"அவரே ஊருக்கு புதுசு.. அவர்கிட்ட எப்படி..." வாத்யார் இழுக்க, " சும்மா 
கேட்டுத்தான் பாருங்கோ..காசா.. பணமா" மாமி உசுப்பி விட வாத்யார் அரை மனதுடன் 
கிளம்புகிறார். 
" மாமா.. மாமா" என வாத்யார் அந்தப் புதியவர் ஆத்தில் கூப்பிட, உள்ளிருந்துபட்டை 
விபூதி, பஞ்ச கச்சத்துடன் அவர் வெளியே வருகிறார்.வாங்கோ..உள்ளே வாங்கோ என வாத்யாரை 
அழைத்துஉட்காரச் சொல்லி சொல்லுங்கோ மாமா..என்ன விஷயம்" எனக் கேட்க" நான் இந்த 
அக்ரஹார வாத்யார். பக்கத்து ஆத்தில் ஸ்ரார்த்தம். திடீரென ஒரு பிராமணாள் வர 
முடியாத சூழ்நிலை. ஸ்ரார்த்தம் தடை படக்கூடாது. அதான் நீங்க பிராமணாள வர 
முடியுமானு கேட்க வந்தேன். நீங்க அக்ரஹாரத்துக்கு புதுசு. தப்பா இருந்தா 
ஷமிக்கணும்‌."
அவர் சற்று யோசித்து விட்டு சிரித்தவாறே நல்ல வேளை. இன்னிக்கு குருவாரம் கார்த்தால 
விரதம். ஒரு நிமிஷம் என்றவாறு உள்ளே செல்கிறார். சற்று நேரத்தில் வெளியே வந்து ஒரு 
மணிக்கு முடிஞ்சுடுமா எனக் கேட்க, வாத்யார் மகிழ்ச்சியுடன் பன்னண்டரைக்கு நீங்க 
கிளம்பிடலாம்என்கிறார். " சரி கிளம்புங்கோ.. நான்'மடி' கட்டிண்டு வரேன்" 
என்கிறார். வாத்யார் மகிழ்ச்சியுடன் சென்று விபரங்களைக் கூற எல்லோருக்கும் பரம 
சந்தோஷம்‌.
வாத்யார் பரபரவென காரியத்தை ஆரம்பிக்க அந்தப் புதியவர் உள்ளே வரவாங்கோ.. வாங்கோ 
ரொம்ப சந்தோஷம். நல்ல நேரத்தில் உபகாரம் பண்ணினேள். என அவரை உபசாரம் பண்ண, பிறகு 
மளமளவென பிராமணாள் சாப்பிட்டு தக்ஷிணை பெற்று ஸ்ரார்த்தம் முடிவடைந்தது. மீண்டும் 
அவருக்கு நன்றி கூற அவர் சொல்கிறார்.
" பிராமணார்த்தம் சாப்பிடுவது பிராமணனின் கடமை. முடிந்தவரை மாட்டேன் என 
சொல்லக்கூடாது. இது ரொம்ப புண்ணியம். எல்லா பித்ருக்கள் ஆசிகளும் கிடைக்கும். இதை 
மகா பெரியவா பலமுறை சொல்லி இருக்கா..ஆனா ரொம்ப பேர் இதுக்கு வரதில்லை. அது ரொம்ப 
பாவம். உங்கஆத்துக்கு மட்டும் வரணும்னு நினைக்கிறேள். ஆனா நீங்க மட்டும் போக 
மாட்டேன்னு சொன்னா அது நியாயமா?  என்கிறார்.
பிறகு இங்கு பிராமண சமாஜம் இருக்கா எனக் கேட்க வாத்யார் இருக்கே நான்தான் 
செக்ரட்டரி" எனக் கூற, அந்தப் புதியவர் தனக்கு தரப் பட்ட தட்சணையுடன் கூட ஐநூறு 
ரூபாய் கொடுத்து "இதை என்பங்காக வச்சுக்குங்கோ" என்றவாறு " போய்ட்டு வரேன்"  என 
கைகூப்பி விடைபெறுகிறார்.
வாத்யார், " மாமா..ஒரு நிமிஷம்.. நீங்க யாரு..என்ன உத்யோகம் என சொல்லலையே" எனக் 
கேட்க, அவர் சிரித்தவாறே *நான் திருநெல்வேலி மாவட்ட கலெக்டர்" என்கிறார்.*

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Re: [iyer123] Enjoy reading

2024-05-23 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Sir,
Excellent two liners and punch lines. The seventh Punch about thinking and
toilet, I am not able to make out.Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 10:33:45 am IST, Rama
wrote:

Some brief two-liners for your enjoyment.
The difference between in-laws and outlaws?Outlaws are wanted.
Alcohol is a perfect solvent: It dissolves marriages, families and careers.
A fine is a tax for doing wrong.A tax is a fine for doing well.
Archaeologist: Someone whose career lies in ruins.
There are two kinds of people who don't say much:Those who are quiet and those
who talk a lot.
They say that alcohol kills slowly.So what? Who's in a hurry?
Alcohol and calculus don't mix.Never drink and derive
One nice thing about egoists:They don't talk about other people.
*Some Puns:*
1. A man who wants a pretty nurse, must be patient.
2. A man who leaps off a cliff, jumps to a conclusion.
3. A man running in front of a car, gets tyred. A man running behind a car,
gets exhausted.
4. War does not determine who is right. It determines who is left.
5. A man who drives like hell, is bound to get there. 6. A lion will not cheat
on his wife, but a Tiger wood!
7. Toilets are a great place to think. No wonder they are called "Sochalayas".
Cheers Rama
On Fri, 24 May, 2024, 10:31 Rama, wrote:

*Just like there's a key to every lock, there's a solution to every problem
too.*
*You'll find yours very soon; don't lose hope.*
CheersRama

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Re: [KeralaIyers] Brahmins were not beggars

2024-05-23 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Sir,
I have already replied regarding Bhiksha. In the Kaliyuga,  Brahmins had the 
highest status. They were Rajagurus, till there were kingdoms. Most of them 
were associated with Kings and temples in someway or other. They had highest 
position in society. Their number were less.

The kings rewarded many with Gold coins, Agricultural land etc. who had more 
abilities in different fields of intelligence .These Brahmins became more rich. 
 Hence a difference came up among Brahmins. 

In the later period giving importance to Vedic studies became secondary with 
many Brahmins. Persons like Chanakya could advise kings about war, establishing 
kingdom etc. Those capable got higher education, employment in higher position 
like Ramayyan Dalava, CP Ramaswamy iyer etc.in Kerala History. Because of the 
higher intelligence they were in Higher positions in all dynasties and in 
British regime. Sir, C P Ramaswamy iyer was from Vandavasi in Tamilnadu!! In 
fact he ruled Kerala on behalf of the King. 

Those who had slightly  lesser intelligence had to continue with Vedic studies 
and Vedic profession. So difference in strata got created. But these people 
also became rich, because they were must for all samskaras. 

As in any other community some were average. To make a livelihood they had to 
do any job possible by them as temple assistants, assistants in samskaras, 
cooking, and involvement in business etc.

The main  issue was those in very high positions kept  aloof without much 
mixing.  The same came with all communities and creating subdivisions. 


On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 06:36:17 am IST, 'Bala N. Aiyer' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:  
 
 I think that the whole notion that Brahmins were / are all beggars is a 
statement made-up by political gangs. 
In ancient times Kshatriyas were ruling the kingdom and Vaisyas and Sudras were 
assigned the job of Farming and food production and distribution.The Brahmins, 
a small community, some as Panars, studied the books, performed prayer services 
in temples and for the kings and also for some households for important 
occasions. Brahmins were also involved in agriculture and sale of food items. 
It was their realization that the reciting the Vedas and Manthras will bring 
prosperity to the community and the place they dwell. So, the kings organized a 
row of houses around the temples and housed them with some Vedic Brahmin 
families whose job will be ti sit in the front yard and recite the four Vedas 
and prayer manthras every early morning, noon time, evening and bed time. This 
is how the Agraharams developed. Since they cannot go to the fields to earn a 
living, the Kings ordered that all members of the community will come and offer 
their food grains to these Brahmins. Also, when there was a need, these 
Brahmins may go around to the houses, in the street while reciting these 
prayers and collect food from all other community members (that included 
Brahmins not involved in this orders oof the king in reciting the prayers.
With kind regards & best wishes,

Bala N. Aiyer 

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 11:03:19 AM CDT, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
Biksha

    The write up ofMr Gopalakrishnan with the usual punch words (which will 
make me retort and hewill be wounded a reminder Let it be the last) and that of 
Mr Sekar areexpressed defending the actions. Being a Brahmin is so difficult. A 
ROSE IS ROSEIS ROSE BY WHAT EVER NAME CALLED So also alms is alms is alms by 
whatever namecalled as Biksha or begging. The Brahmin must forego all his EGO, 
so has to begas BHAVATHI BIKSHAM DEHI. THAT TOO IN ONLY ONE HOUSE NOT ALL THE 
STREETS ANDHOMES. {VIDE IN SIVAKAMASUNDARI OF GOPALAKRISHNAN/S EFFECT AND MY 
NOTES BELOWIN WHICH YANGNA VALKYA SMRITHI OPENS UP WITH FOOD. AND ALSO, PL NOT 
BRAHMINS OFSOME SECT OR YAGNA BRAHMINS DID CONSUME MEAT. 

 Hence simplyexpressing from air is insignificant. Brahmin is dependent on 
all the threevarnas. Poets were dependent on alms. Panar was a tribe who 
praised the king fora paltry wealth. People respected them and did honourably 
maintain them ONLYFOR THAT. The day on which Brahmins started dictating terms, 
incorporating as asuperior class, within 500 years the down fall started. And 
wherever the angerprevailed even among the Rishis they fell down and were kept 
away from thegroove. If Guru Dakshina was a voluntary act, then why did Drona 
ask for a finger?If money was not a criterion and King Durupadan, turned Drona 
back, why did heask Arjuna to get the king on wheels tied? Not expecting any 
thing in return isBrahminic quality but such characters dwindled past 1600AD. 
Even today I know afew doing sradham for almost nothing; at the same time, I 
also know a lot 90%turned money-hunters after learning vedam, demanding the 
cost or walk away withpride hence I insult Vadhyars of today. ONE WHO (VADHYAR) 
KNOWS THAT HE(YAJAMAN) knows what we are pronouncing and doing, behave quietly; 
rest inmajority who are mechanical

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-23

2024-05-23 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-23

The below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  23-05-2024.

Quora answers need not be 100% correctanswers.

.Compiledand posted byR. Gopala krishnan,  on 23-05-2024

Q1 During Mahabharata era, kings andprinces had more than one 
spouse. Then did Hastinapur Palace have enough spacefor the 100 Kauravas' wives 
and children?

A1 PrasannaBhalerao, Knows a great deal about Mahabharata, read 5 
versions4y

Hastinapur Kingdom was very rich. It is mentioned that theprinces had 
individual palaces. For instance, when Krishna was about to arrivefor his peace 
mission, Dhritarashtra suggested that Krishna's stayingarrangements be made in 
Dushasana's palace because it was much nicer thanDuryodhana's own. So the 
principal two sons did have own palaces. What aboutthe other 98? There is no 
reason to believe that they were all bunched togetherin single house or palace. 
As mentioned, the kingdom was rich - one of therichest of those times.

When it comes to kings having multiple wives, it was notalways for sexual 
gratification. More often than not, kings of those times hadmultiple queens to 
extend political boundaries, friendship, treaties, etc. Somewere forced 
abducted - like Bhishma abducted the three Kasi princesses forVichitravirya. 
Pandu's second wife Madri was a political marriage. All mendidn't have multiple 
wives. Dhritarashtra had just one wife.

Q2 Why does a mirror reverse thingshorizontally but not vertically?

A2 Ron Brown,Decadesof teaching physics to undergrads Updated Jan 3

The common misconception occurs when one asks why does theirphotographs do not 
look like what they see in the mirror. As Steve Baker saysin his answer, what a 
mirror “flips” is front-to-back, not left-to-right. Thatis, if you are standing 
in front of a mirror facing north, your image is facingsouth.

If you were wearing a watch on your left wrist, the ‘person’facing you appears 
to be wearing their watch on their right wrist - which is onthe left as you 
look at them, that is, it is on the left both in reality and inthe image, so 
was not ‘flipped’ horizontally. If someone were walking towardyou with their 
watch on their left wrist, it would be on your right as theywalk toward you. 
That is, flipping front-to-back reverses what we expect to seewhen someone is 
walking towards us.

So why does that make our photos appear different that whatwe see in a mirror? 
Our faces are not symmetric. So if your cute smile isslightly tilted - say 
higher on your right side, what you see in a reflectionwill be different than 
what other people facing you see - and that is, what acamera records.

Stand in front of a mirror with your smart phone. Take apicture of your image - 
it looks essentially like what you see in the mirror.Now switch your phone to 
the back camera and take another photo directly ofyour face. That is what 
others see - and it looks totally different than theimage in the mirror (or the 
first photo). And you might not like it. Why?Because it is so unfamiliar - 
because we never see ourselves as others see us.We only see our reflections. 
When you take a selfie with your friends, theylook normal, but your image looks 
different than you think you look.

Q3 What is the news item- A17-year-old boy dug a well on his own in 
Settisara village located in theMalnad region of Karnataka?

A3 ChauhanBabu Nath,May 10

You will be surprised to know the reason behind this. Thisstudent named Pawan 
Kumar was planning to dig a well for some days. Actually,his mother used to 
fetch water from far away and Pawan used to get upset seeingthis. That's why 
one day he decided to dig a well.

Pawan's mother works in a printing unit in Netravati Sagarand his father works 
as a cook. To meet the water needs in this area, most of thepeople have a well 
in their courtyard, but due to being a poor family, Pawandid not have a well in 
his courtyard till now.

To overcome the ongoing problems, Pawan himself took theinitiative to dig a 
well. He contacted a local water expert and single-handedlydug for 45 
consecutive days.

Pawan started digging on February 26 and took a 10-day breakin between for his 
exams. The well digging work was completed on 20 April. Itis 55 feet deep.

 “Digging stones in thehot sun is a laborious task. I was very happy when water 
gushed out afterdigging 53 feet. After digging about 2 feet more the work was 
finished. I amnow happy that my mother no longer has to go to the community 
well to fetchwater. She will save time when she returns from work.”

This story of Pawan proves that Dashrath Manjhi's resolve ishidden in each of 
us. There is a need to recognize your potential.

Today I will tell you about a Hanuman ji temple located onthe border of 
Pakistan in Kutch, Gujarat, whose story is really veryinteresting.

Q4 What are the details of the HANUMANtemple in India- Pakisthan 
border?

A4

Re: [KeralaIyers] THUS SPAKE DRAUPATIPART4 22524 23524

2024-05-22 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Respected sir,
The Vedic  principle was  that a Brahmin must be a Vedic scholar, he should 
perform his Nithyakarmas, and he should survive from what he get as Dakshina 
and if not sufficient by Bhiksha. He should not keep wealth. 
Nithyakarma include Vedic teaching and attending different samskaras. He gets 
Dakshina during samskaras. (How another Brahmin give sufficient Dakshina if he 
is not having wealth is CONFUSING.  Perhaps the kings awarded the Vedic 
brahmins with rewards as money. )

We have come far far away from the Vedic period. Vedic principles are amended 
by sages and not even followed by sages. 

Sage Vasistha was not ready to part with his cow Kamadhenu. Hence the war 
between sage Vasistha and sage Viswamithra. 
Even sage Jamadagni was not ready to part with Kamadhenu. Hence Karthaveerjuna 
had to start a war on him. 

Mr Rajaram either in his own or in copying has misunderstood the term Bhiksha 
with  alm. A Brahmin has to live by Dakshina, and Bhiksha. Alm is begging. 
Bhiksha is not begging. 

Till date we follow Bhiksha at least in principle during upanayanam. Ladies 
offer Bhiksha rice to the brahmachari for his survival. By talks it has come 
pichharisi. 

With regardsGopalakrishnan

On Thursday, 23 May, 2024 at 10:19:03 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Sri Sivaramanji              That is to be seen in depth and many had 
written an answer for it. Being a brahmin is not a crest; maybe I am trying to 
collect interconnected data. The Brahmin caste is not brahmin. Long ago when 
the quota issue arose in the Madras HC against DMK, I suggested the leading 
lawyer to argue that Brahmin is not a caste as stamped. Because my name is 
Chakravarthi, I dont own anything and cannot be presumed to be the owner as 
alleged. Brahmin is privacy. Given all, Drona was a Kshatriya born to a brahmin 
parent who might have been beggars following the principle. A PM cannot be 
rich, a king can. That is the difference. Maybe some time later I will connect 
them all. Our pride is our intelligence by DNA. That advocate did not 
understand. And we are being punished.But it is unconstitutional.  Thank you   
KR  IRS 23524
On Wed, 22 May 2024 at 23:26, Madras Sivaraman  
wrote:

I am not able to understand the concept that brahmins should always be beggars 
even though even during the mahabharata  war several brahmins were warriors 
like Drona, Kripa and others. There were mighty brahmin dynasties that ruled 
India.There have been brahmin warriors in our Indian armed forces who were 
decorated with the PVC, MVC AND VC apart from Ashok Chakras, Kirti Chakras and 
Shaurya Chakras.Why is there always this picture of Brahmins as beggars?
On Thu, 23 May 2024 at 07:03, Rajaram Krishnamurthy  
wrote:


THUS SPAKE DRAUPATIPART4   22524  23524  

  “It isevident that you know that pleasure may be derived from the possession 
ofvarious objects of enjoyment. You also very well know their ordinary states, 
aswell as the great changes they undergo. At their loss or 
disappearanceoccasioned by decrepitude or death, arises what is called 
distress.That distress has now overtaken us. The joy that arises from the five 
senses,the intellect and the heart, being directed to the objects proper to 
each, iscalled pleasure. That pleasure is, as I think, one of the best fruits 
of ouractions. Thus, one should regard virtue, wealth and pleasure one after 
another.One should not devote oneself to virtue alone, nor regard wealth as the 
highestobject of one's wishes, nor pleasure, but should always pursue all 
three. Thescriptures ordain that one should seek virtue in the morning, wealth 
at noon,and pleasure in the evening. The scriptures also ordain that one should 
seekpleasure in the first portion of life, wealth in the second, and virtue in 
thelast. They that are wise and fully conversant with proper division of 
time,pursue all three, virtue, wealth, and pleasure, dividing their time 
duly.Whether independence of these three, or their possession is the better 
forthose that desire happiness, should be settled by you after careful 
thought.You should then act either for acquiring them, or abandoning them all. 
For hewho lives wavering between the two doubtingly, leads a wretched life. It 
iswell known that your behaviour is ever regulated by virtue. Knowing this 
yourfriends counsel you to act. Gift, sacrifice, respect for the wise, study of 
theVedas, and honesty, these, constitute the highest virtue and are 
efficaciousboth here and hereafter. These virtues, however, cannot be attained 
by one thathas no wealth, even if he may have infinite other accomplishments. 
The wholeuniverse depends upon virtue. There is nothing higher than virtue. And 
virtueis attainable by one that has plenty of wealth.

“Wealth cannot beearned by leading a mendicant life, nor by a life of 
feebleness. Wealth,however, can be earned by intelligence directed by virtue. 
In your case,begging, which is successful with Brahmanas,

Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: PALAKA (PLANK)

2024-05-22 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Thank you Mr Venkatraman  for the response

On Thursday, 23 May, 2024 at 07:29:04 am IST, venkat raman 
 wrote:  
 
 Namaste. Avanippalaka are found in Kerala. It is also known as koorma palaka, 
aama palaka, aavana palaka since its handle looks like the head of a tortoise. 
For pujas the priests sit on them. There are rectangular seats made of 
wood.They are  known as palaka. Wooden planks are used in kitchens as chopping 
boards.Chappaatthi palaka, the pastry board used for rolling chappaatthis. In 
Hindi it is known as chakla. Adapalaka is not seen these days. It was used for 
decanting the rice-water after cooking. Nellippalaka was the the planks laid as 
curbs at the bottom of water-wells. They were made of wood of gooseberry-tree. 
The term is used as a metaphor viz fag end, bitter end. The planks were laid 
like wainscotting at the bottom walls.
Venkataraman
On Wed, 22 May 2024 at 12:17, gopala krishnan  wrote:


PALAKA (PLANK)

Dear friends,

Recently Iposted a QA about weighing of Boxes at home with a balance and 
difference inweight experienced at airport. I use a bathroom scale, keep a 
medium sitting plankupside down over it and luggage is placed on that in a 
balanced manner, ensuringreading is visible and found reading is 95% accurate 
at airport. The legs ofthe plank support the luggage and ensure that luggage is 
not touching thefloor. The weight of plank is reduced from the total weight. 

When Iconstructed the new home in Chennai, I asked the carpenter to make 
fiveprocessed wood planks rectangular in size. These planks have many usesnow.  
I thought of writing about theplanks in general. The contents are for a 
time-pass reading. 

Gopalakrishnan22-5-2024

1. AAvani palaka

Yesteryearsit was common to have 5-7 aavaniplaka in our homes. These planks 
were oval witha handle and mostly made of jack wood.  Now too agraharam have 
aavanippalaka. Useswere many. For all auspicious and semi auspicious functions, 
the sasrhrikal willask for planks. During srardha, the bhokthas are seated on 
the planks. Duringkarma, the helping priest as well as kartha sit on the 
planks. 

Duringsumangali prarthanai, the sumangali pithru is represented by a 6 yards 
sarikept on a plank. The kanyaka dress also kept on another plank representing 
anykanyaka dead in the family and now pithru. Aavanaipalaki is used for this 
also.Sumangalies fed sits on any type of plank available now a day. If 
avanipalakaiis not available, any type of planks is used. Sumangali prarthanai 
is an ageold custom among Brahmins. There is no Vedic approval or mentioning 
ofsumangali prathanai in Vedas. 

During allauspicious functions, japams etc., planks are used for sitting of 
sasthrikal,and others mainly involved. Normally Brahmin homes will have planks 
or commonlyavailable in samooha matams in Kerala. 

2. Normal planks

Present daysnormal rectangular plants used in homes have many more uses. If 
kitchen plankis not there a plank is used to cut vegetables. On those days, it 
was thepractice, my late father would cut and prepare vegetables helping late 
mother. Therewas a separate plank for it. Not having dining tables on those 
days, we sat onplanks to take tiffin and meals. The planks were stalked in a 
suitable place.Now too in agraharam homes, Brahmins sit on planks and perform 
sandhya. 

3. Vishukkani

For Vishukkaniit is specific to use a plank, spread a red cloth and keep 
Krishna idol/photo, mirror,and gold chain on mirror, gold coin and konnappo, 
which could be seen in themirror. Other things are arranged in Uruli. 

4. Saraswathi pooja

ForSaraswathi pooja, a white cloth is spread on the plank, an idol of 
Saraswathi/photo is kept. Important books are kept. The books are taken only 
next day, itwas the practice on those days, no reading and writing for a day, 
the books arekept. Now though the pooja is done, books kept, most read or write 
on necessityeven before Vidhyarambaram is completed and books are taken. 

5. Pooja room.

Prayer isdone sitting over a plank in the pooja room if takes more time. 
Otherwiseprayer is done standing before the deity’s idol or photo. 

My note- Yesterday Iwatched a video in you-tube about Hasthinapuram. A large 
Siva lingam was shownsaid to be worshipped by Yudhisthira. If the facts told is 
acceptable divineworship was there during Dwaparayuga. 

6 Chappathi plank and adappalaka

In thekitchen mostly preferred is a round plank, plane and smooth on top, with 
legsfor preparing chappathi. Shops have readymade chappathi plank with roller. 
Mosthave mica sheet pasted on top of the plank. 

For removingstarch water from cooked rice in a pot, there was a plank called 
adappalaki. Itwas placed on top of the vessel; vessel slanted and kept on 
another slightlylarge vessel, the plank supported with some stainless steel 
glass tumbler. Nowin most homes adappalaki is replaced with chippil. The taste 
of rice cooked andremoved starch water is totally different from one cooked in 
either

Re: [KeralaIyers] CULTURAL QA 05-2024-22

2024-05-22 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Thank you Mr Sekar for the response with additions.Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 22 May, 2024 at 08:17:06 pm IST, 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks.
Q 5
This reminded me of a w app fwd that said
"We  now have bigger houses but smaller families"  and went on to list so many 
paradoxes of modern life.
What is stated in the reply can be added to that list of paradoxes.
Someone said he curses the guy who invented the refrigerator as he is now 
forced to eat old dishes only, especially if both the husband and wife go to 
work.
Modern day gadgets are not an unmixed blessing.
What we fail to realize is another fwd I read (attributed to the Dalai Lama) 
that said
" We are very desperate to earn more and more money ignoring our health, but 
later we spend the same money to restore our health".

N Sekar 

Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer 
 
  On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 5:44 PM, 'gopala krishnan' via 
KeralaIyers wrote:   
CULTURAL QA 05-2024-22

The below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  22-05-2024.

Quora answers need not be 100% correctanswers.

.Compiledandposted by R. Gopala krishnan,  on 22-05-2024

Q1 What is the funniest joke you'vebeen told that you still think 
about to this day?

A1 AlkisPiskas, Lover of Philosophy, Logic and Math Mar 29

I just read a very good joke with God and it made me think ofone of my 
favourite ones:

A man gets back home in his car with a very urgent need tovisit the toilet. But 
he couldn’t find any place to park, so he started prayingintensely: “God, do 
something for a place to be evacuated so that I can park …Please! It’s very 
urgent! If you do that, I will then do whatever you ask meto!”

After a few seconds, someone un-parked, leaving a vacantplace. The man said: 
“It’s OK God. Never mind. I found one.”

Q2 Why did Brahmins not allow Shudrato study for 2,000 years?

A2 RavikumarK., Self employed (2019–present)Dec 21

1.Why did Kshatriyas not allow Brahmins to get training inwarfare, keeping arms 
and study martial arts for 3000 years?

2.Why did Vaishyas not allow Brahmins to do business for 5000years? 


3.Why did Shudras not allow Brahmins to learn to farmingarts, sculpturing, pot 
preparing, carpentering ,iron work etc. since 1years?

4.How did Dr. B R Ambedkar, the Dalit scholar study in 19 thcentury, if 
Brahmins and others not allow?

It was the duty of British government, Moghul government,Khilji government, 
Gulami government, Chavan government, Guptagovernment,Mourya government and all 
ancient kings' governments (Not a singleone belongs to Brahmins!) to provide 
education to all their citizens.

What is the role of Brahmins here, who were never in power?!

Q3 Once an IQ is over 130, what mightyou observe in a person with 
each increment above that?

A3 w.w.Lenzo,Ph.D Quantum Physics, Stanford University 1990Updated 
Apr 22

* * * * *

When I meet smart people — I make two assessments, one isquick, the other 
requires some one-on-one discussion.

FIRST:

To what degree do they see the world as zero-sum? Are theyprimarily 
self-interested? This greatly affects my willingness to engage withthem at all.

Unfortunately, we live in world in which it is consideredquite OK for smart 
people to tilt interactions (such as a business deal) intheir own favor. Smart 
people find it relatively easy to fool the less-smartand thereby separate them 
from their money. And, because we tolerate this as asociety, income asymmetry 
continues to grow and our world becomes aless-and-less friendly place to be.

  Who created themodern business-model behind Payday Loans? (not the counter 
staff!) — And atSubway, why does 8% of gross sales go directly to Wall St. for 
every singlesandwich made-&-sold in N.America? Why do we tolerate this??

I try to avoid people like these —

— the go-getters, the zero-summers, those hypnotized bywealth —

  I also do thisgenerally — not just with smart people. But it is especially 
good to becautious around anybody “who fancies themselves smart enough to take 
advantageof others.” What is something that people with genius level IQs see in 
peoplethat most people don't see?

SECOND:

Assuming I choose to interact with someone, fairly quickly Iget a sense of just 
how smart he/she is:

Tier I: IQ from 130 to 140

Tier II: IQ from 140 to 150

Tier III: IQ of 150+

With Tier I persons — I can have useful stimulatingdiscussions. They will 
understand the problem I am concerned with, even if theydo not understand my 
proposed solution. Talking about the problem helps both ofus to understand it 
better.

With Tier II persons — As above, except they will follow bothdiscussions 
(problem and possible solutions) well-enough to offer usefulcriticism and 
insight.

With Tier III persons— We move very quickly beyond theproblem/solution 
framework and into the kind of speculative thinking (bothcreative & critical) 
which I adore. Occasionally, we are able to view

Re: [iyer123] PALAKA (PLANK)

2024-05-22 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Dear Mr Sharma,Thank you for the response  about Planks. 

Honoring  one response of iyer123 moderator Mr Sai, Mr Narayanaswamy has 
informed him, he will not be a party for abuse or writing anything indecent. 

You were already writing to me to ignore Mr Rajaram, with out giving him any 
importance. I abide with a clause - I cannot withstand too much provocation. 

keeping planks on sides and sitting inside was a child's play. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 22 May, 2024 at 06:06:17 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Shri Gopalakrishnanji
Very interesting narrative about the Palagai (planj)
Just put to gether four of them to make a box large enough to hold a man, make 
petfirations on the box enough to breathe and a larger one to feed him. *AND 
DUMP THAT IRS (INCESTUOUS RANDI SERVICE) pimp into it. Lock it and throw away 
the key.
That's the ONLY way you can drive some sense into the BASTARD 
On Wed, 22 May, 2024, 12:17 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, 
 wrote:


PALAKA (PLANK)

Dear friends,

Recently Iposted a QA about weighing of Boxes at home with a balance and 
difference inweight experienced at airport. I use a bathroom scale, keep a 
medium sitting plankupside down over it and luggage is placed on that in a 
balanced manner, ensuringreading is visible and found reading is 95% accurate 
at airport. The legs ofthe plank support the luggage and ensure that luggage is 
not touching thefloor. The weight of plank is reduced from the total weight. 

When Iconstructed the new home in Chennai, I asked the carpenter to make 
fiveprocessed wood planks rectangular in size. These planks have many usesnow.  
I thought of writing about theplanks in general. The contents are for a 
time-pass reading. 

Gopalakrishnan22-5-2024

1. AAvani palaka

Yesteryearsit was common to have 5-7 aavaniplaka in our homes. These planks 
were oval witha handle and mostly made of jack wood.  Now too agraharam have 
aavanippalaka. Useswere many. For all auspicious and semi auspicious functions, 
the sasrhrikal willask for planks. During srardha, the bhokthas are seated on 
the planks. Duringkarma, the helping priest as well as kartha sit on the 
planks. 

Duringsumangali prarthanai, the sumangali pithru is represented by a 6 yards 
sarikept on a plank. The kanyaka dress also kept on another plank representing 
anykanyaka dead in the family and now pithru. Aavanaipalaki is used for this 
also.Sumangalies fed sits on any type of plank available now a day. If 
avanipalakaiis not available, any type of planks is used. Sumangali prarthanai 
is an ageold custom among Brahmins. There is no Vedic approval or mentioning 
ofsumangali prathanai in Vedas. 

During allauspicious functions, japams etc., planks are used for sitting of 
sasthrikal,and others mainly involved. Normally Brahmin homes will have planks 
or commonlyavailable in samooha matams in Kerala. 

2. Normal planks

Present daysnormal rectangular plants used in homes have many more uses. If 
kitchen plankis not there a plank is used to cut vegetables. On those days, it 
was thepractice, my late father would cut and prepare vegetables helping late 
mother. Therewas a separate plank for it. Not having dining tables on those 
days, we sat onplanks to take tiffin and meals. The planks were stalked in a 
suitable place.Now too in agraharam homes, Brahmins sit on planks and perform 
sandhya. 

3. Vishukkani

For Vishukkaniit is specific to use a plank, spread a red cloth and keep 
Krishna idol/photo, mirror,and gold chain on mirror, gold coin and konnappo, 
which could be seen in themirror. Other things are arranged in Uruli. 

4. Saraswathi pooja

ForSaraswathi pooja, a white cloth is spread on the plank, an idol of 
Saraswathi/photo is kept. Important books are kept. The books are taken only 
next day, itwas the practice on those days, no reading and writing for a day, 
the books arekept. Now though the pooja is done, books kept, most read or write 
on necessityeven before Vidhyarambaram is completed and books are taken. 

5. Pooja room.

Prayer isdone sitting over a plank in the pooja room if takes more time. 
Otherwiseprayer is done standing before the deity’s idol or photo. 

My note- Yesterday Iwatched a video in you-tube about Hasthinapuram. A large 
Siva lingam was shownsaid to be worshipped by Yudhisthira. If the facts told is 
acceptable divineworship was there during Dwaparayuga. 

6 Chappathi plank and adappalaka

In thekitchen mostly preferred is a round plank, plane and smooth on top, with 
legsfor preparing chappathi. Shops have readymade chappathi plank with roller. 
Mosthave mica sheet pasted on top of the plank. 

For removingstarch water from cooked rice in a pot, there was a plank called 
adappalaki. Itwas placed on top of the vessel; vessel slanted and kept on 
another slightlylarge vessel, the plank supported with some stainless steel 
glass tumbler. Nowin most homes adappalaki is replaced with chippil. The taste 
of rice cooked andremoved starch

Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd - READ THE LAST LINE

2024-05-22 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Excellent Mr Sekar.Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 22 May, 2024 at 02:19:51 pm IST, 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:  
 
 
"Remember this Kenyan runner Abel Mutai who was just a few feet from the finish 
line, but became confused with the signage and stopped, thinking he had 
completed the race. A Spanish runner, Ivan Fernandez, was right behind him and, 
realizing what was happening, started shouting at the Kenyan to continue 
running. Mutai didn't know Spanish and didn't understand. Realizing what was 
taking place, Fernandez pushed Mutai to victory.A journalist asked Ivan, "Why 
did you do that?" Ivan replied, "My dream is that someday we can have a kind of 
community life where we push and help each other to win."
The journalist insisted, "But why did you let the Kenyan win?" Ivan replied, "I 
didn't let him win, he was going to win. The race was his." The journalist 
insisted again, "But you could have won!" Ivan looked at him and replied, "But 
what would be the merit of my victory? What would be the honor in that medal? 
What would my mother think of that?"
Moral of the story...*Values are passed on from generation to generation*Yahoo 
Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer

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PALAKA (PLANK)

2024-05-22 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


PALAKA (PLANK)

Dear friends,

Recently Iposted a QA about weighing of Boxes at home with a balance and 
difference inweight experienced at airport. I use a bathroom scale, keep a 
medium sitting plankupside down over it and luggage is placed on that in a 
balanced manner, ensuringreading is visible and found reading is 95% accurate 
at airport. The legs ofthe plank support the luggage and ensure that luggage is 
not touching thefloor. The weight of plank is reduced from the total weight. 

When Iconstructed the new home in Chennai, I asked the carpenter to make 
fiveprocessed wood planks rectangular in size. These planks have many usesnow.  
I thought of writing about theplanks in general. The contents are for a 
time-pass reading. 

Gopalakrishnan22-5-2024

1. AAvani palaka

Yesteryearsit was common to have 5-7 aavaniplaka in our homes. These planks 
were oval witha handle and mostly made of jack wood.  Now too agraharam have 
aavanippalaka. Useswere many. For all auspicious and semi auspicious functions, 
the sasrhrikal willask for planks. During srardha, the bhokthas are seated on 
the planks. Duringkarma, the helping priest as well as kartha sit on the 
planks. 

Duringsumangali prarthanai, the sumangali pithru is represented by a 6 yards 
sarikept on a plank. The kanyaka dress also kept on another plank representing 
anykanyaka dead in the family and now pithru. Aavanaipalaki is used for this 
also.Sumangalies fed sits on any type of plank available now a day. If 
avanipalakaiis not available, any type of planks is used. Sumangali prarthanai 
is an ageold custom among Brahmins. There is no Vedic approval or mentioning 
ofsumangali prathanai in Vedas. 

During allauspicious functions, japams etc., planks are used for sitting of 
sasthrikal,and others mainly involved. Normally Brahmin homes will have planks 
or commonlyavailable in samooha matams in Kerala. 

2. Normal planks

Present daysnormal rectangular plants used in homes have many more uses. If 
kitchen plankis not there a plank is used to cut vegetables. On those days, it 
was thepractice, my late father would cut and prepare vegetables helping late 
mother. Therewas a separate plank for it. Not having dining tables on those 
days, we sat onplanks to take tiffin and meals. The planks were stalked in a 
suitable place.Now too in agraharam homes, Brahmins sit on planks and perform 
sandhya. 

3. Vishukkani

For Vishukkaniit is specific to use a plank, spread a red cloth and keep 
Krishna idol/photo, mirror,and gold chain on mirror, gold coin and konnappo, 
which could be seen in themirror. Other things are arranged in Uruli. 

4. Saraswathi pooja

ForSaraswathi pooja, a white cloth is spread on the plank, an idol of 
Saraswathi/photo is kept. Important books are kept. The books are taken only 
next day, itwas the practice on those days, no reading and writing for a day, 
the books arekept. Now though the pooja is done, books kept, most read or write 
on necessityeven before Vidhyarambaram is completed and books are taken. 

5. Pooja room.

Prayer isdone sitting over a plank in the pooja room if takes more time. 
Otherwiseprayer is done standing before the deity’s idol or photo. 

My note- Yesterday Iwatched a video in you-tube about Hasthinapuram. A large 
Siva lingam was shownsaid to be worshipped by Yudhisthira. If the facts told is 
acceptable divineworship was there during Dwaparayuga. 

6 Chappathi plank and adappalaka

In thekitchen mostly preferred is a round plank, plane and smooth on top, with 
legsfor preparing chappathi. Shops have readymade chappathi plank with roller. 
Mosthave mica sheet pasted on top of the plank. 

For removingstarch water from cooked rice in a pot, there was a plank called 
adappalaki. Itwas placed on top of the vessel; vessel slanted and kept on 
another slightlylarge vessel, the plank supported with some stainless steel 
glass tumbler. Nowin most homes adappalaki is replaced with chippil. The taste 
of rice cooked andremoved starch water is totally different from one cooked in 
either pressurecooker or rice cooker. 

7. Other interesting uses.

One is toincrease height by standing on a plank to mount photos, wall clocks 
etc., iftheir position is not accessible by standing on the floor. Most workers 
desire stoolsand for further increase of height, a plank over it.  Most of us 
use one or two planks to raise ourheight to fetch things conveniently from a 
height. 

My note- Watchingthe Mylo advertisement in TV made me to remember and add the 
above point. 

Many forafternoon nap desire a plank spread with a towel over it in place of 
pillow andtaking nap on the floor of the hall. Mainly cooking staff desire 
planks inplace of pillows for lying and taking rest. 

8. Nellipalaka. 

In the openwells in Kerala, on those days a plank made of gooseberry wood was 
fitted overthe spring oozing more water in the bottom. Nellippalaka will not 
get damagedand it was never touched. Nellipalaka is considered as bottom of

Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 05-2024-21

2024-05-21 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Sure sir, I wish to be so. 
Only thing the lecturers must change and subject too, otherwise the class will 
be boring. 
One lecturer should not think he is knowing more than others.All are qualified 
postgraduates with ranking  and  undergone teachers training. All have equal 
caliber. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 22 May, 2024 at 08:25:52 am IST, 'Bala N. Aiyer' via 
KeralaIyers  wrote:  
 
 Thank you all for a kind response. I already copied the short essay on 
Mahabharatha in 3 pages and then in 10 pages, and converted them as a booklet 
for me to read them at leisure.Let us all communicate with proper English like 
in a class room with honorable professors addressing the class.O course, my 
language and spelling, from USA may be different from a British English, and 
those from India, Singapore and Australia.
I post my own articles in Facebook an also I have six books on Amazon on Hindu 
Dharma and one book on Health Care.
Thank you all very much,
With kind regards & best wishes,
Bala N. Aiyer 

On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 08:28:58 PM CDT, gopala krishnan 
 wrote:  
 
  Respected sir,
I am a person responding to ugly, indecent,  abusive, underestimate responses 
of Mr Rajaram, former IRS. From my part I have not used any such language, only 
wrote in simple manner in decent English, with 80% accuracy in language. 

I have stopped responding to Mr Rajaram, abiding o a REQUEST by Mr Sai, 
moderator of iyer123 group from today.
Similarly Mr Narayanaswamy Iyer  also. He an aged and scholar,  settled in 
Singapore. He is from legal side, highly qualified and very proficient in 
English. 

This response is not to downgrade Mr Rajaram. But a true statement. I wrote to 
him many times not to respond to Mr Narayanaswamy, if he felt his responses are 
not to his expectation. 

In fact Mr Sai, moderator of iyer123 requested him, need  not respond to each 
and every messages. 

Sir, past is past. Let all of us have good morning days from today. 

R. Gopalakrishnan( former ITS 7024)

On Wednesday, 22 May, 2024 at 03:28:49 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Welcome and thank u for the forceful thoughts  written with in depth. If 
Perusal wills so it will be. Thanks again. K. Rajaram IRS  21524
On Tue, May 21, 2024, 2:55 PM 'Bala N. Aiyer' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:

If you have Mahabharata in 10 Pages, I would like to receive a copy of that 
text, please.Also, such short explanation of the each of the four Vedas (The 
Karma & Brahmana part) and also brief texts on the important 12 Upanishads, 
each in 8 to 12 pages, a 12 page brief text of Srimad Bhagavad Gita complete 
are also necessary to educate our Next Generation.
Also, when you post your articles, please tell some of the members, who try to 
write un-parliamentary abusive words, like a street battle, washing off their 
dirty linen, not to write like that. If they don't like it, they can keep 
silent or write their own texts in full, with their own authority.
Thank you for your great service.
Bala N. Aiyer 

On Tuesday, May 21, 2024 at 10:59:12 AM CDT, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
CULTURAL QA 05202421

Q   Whatis a brief summary of the full story of Mahabharatha?

KR    10pages brief Mahabhartham without the JAYA and Maha might not 
have been known tomany old people of the congregations and so a yeoman service 
is a glorifiedservice rendered sir. clap clap. 

2 Mahabharatham so brief: Mahabharata Summary (3 pages)

Ugraśravas the Suta begins telling a story to some Brahminseers led by Śaunaka. 
He says it’s called the Mahabharata and that it’s full ofheroes and seers 
performing amazing feats. Ugraśravas heard that a great seernamed Vyasa first 
compiled the Mahabharata, and he begins narrating the storyof what Vyasa’s 
assistant, Vaiśampayana, told to Janamejaya while Janamejayawas in the middle 
of conducting a snake sacrifice.

2  Vaiśampayanabegins telling the story of the Kuru lineage, of which 
Janamejaya himself is amember. Some of the most important members of this 
lineage are the Pandavas, agroup of five brothers who each achieve fame in 
their own way: Yudhishthira,Arjuna, Bhima, and the twins Nakula and Sahadeva. 
Another major branch of thefamily is called the Kauravas, and it includes 
Dhritarashtra, who has 100 sons,the eldest and most notable of whom is 
Duryodhana.

3 A rivalrybetween the Pandavas and the Kauravas begins early in life, with 
Duryodhana atone point scheming to try to kill his cousins. Later, with the 
help of anadvisor named Śakuni, Duryodhana gets the idea that since he can’t 
defeat thePandavas in battle, he’ll steal the Pandava kingdom for himself by 
trickingYudhishthira into a gambling match. Many of Dhritarashtra’s other 
advisors,like Vidura, tell him that it isn’t wise to let Duryodhana go through 
with thisplan, but Dhritarashtra allows him to do so anyways.

4   Yudhishthiraloses the gambling competition and has to give away 
everything,

Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: [iyer123] Re: Unexplained shock

2024-05-21 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Let Hiranyakashipur roar and roar aloneGopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 22 May, 2024 at 05:55:44 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer 
 wrote:  
 
 
No.  It never was "clap, clap!"
It was "slap, slap" administered by me to both his cheeks by my two hands.
Plus kicks to the tenderest part of his anatomy by my jack-boot.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 8:38 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy  
wrote:


Clap clap KR IRS 21524
-- Forwarded message -----
From: 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 at 07:35
Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: Unexplained shock
To: iyer...@googlegroups.com , Narayanaswamy Iyer 
, Kerala Iyer , Patty Thatha 
, Laxminarayan Sarma 
, APS Mani 


 Respected sir,
I read your mail to Mr Sai, moderator, iyer 123 google group. Let the OLD MAN, 
mentally derailed Mr Rajaram clap with his one hand since the other hand is 
incapacitated. I am very very happy to read your mail.Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 21 May, 2024 at 02:19:54 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Sri Indian Rediff
Extremely regretful to learn that you " hardly come to the group these days - 
the acrimony is unnecessary for your health."
Shall seriously endeavour to restrain and to eliminate the "acrimony" on my 
part, so that you can regain your health.
As you will appreciate, it takes two hands to clap.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer

On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 6:01 AM Indian R  wrote:

Loved this joke! Thanks for a breath of fresh air!
SaiP.S. I hardly come to the group these days - the acrimony is unnecessary for 
my health

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 4:38:59 AM UTC-4 kavir...@gmail.com wrote:

SHOCK: MALAYSIAN UMRAH PILGRIM UNABLE TO STAND UP TO EXIT A380 PLANE UPON 
ARRIVAL IN JEDDAH
It is now the season for Muslims to perform Umrah. Many stories have emerged, 
claiming that those with many sins will not be able to see the Kaaba, cannot 
step foot on the holy land, and various other stories.
There was a Malaysian pilgrim in his 60s, boarding an Airbus A380 plane. When 
the plane landed in Jeddah, he suddenly could not stand up to exit. He sat back 
down, tried to stand again, but still could not. He started seeking forgiveness 
and reciting loudly, startling the other pilgrims. He remembered his past sins 
and apologized, confessing all his mistakes to his wife, including admitting to 
having a younger second wife whom he had married just 6 months before departing 
for the holy land.
The flight attendant approached the pilgrim, "What's wrong with you, 
uncle..?""You look pale..?"With a loud voice, he replied, ".. Uncle can't get 
up because uncle has many sins towards auntie.."
" *Uncle*.."*To stand up you need to* *unfasten your seat belt first*"


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Re: [KeralaIyers] retort 2 in 10 minutes to zero Narayanasamy

2024-05-21 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Yes sir,
Let the Hiranayakashipu OLD MAN Mr Rajaram  roar and roar. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 22 May, 2024 at 06:01:35 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer 
 wrote:  
 
 
Let the modern-day Hiranyakashipu have his say, have his day.  Let him stomp 
around.  And roar himself hoarse.  The Prahlaadas know what is coming.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 8:37 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy  
wrote:

The old man and the madman and the swatch man expecting to sustain at the cost 
of others as 2 hands to clap is at the anvil according to them. Well It is 
History that shows who laughs the last . And once Kannadasan wrote in a song, 
ADHU PURIYAMAL PONAAL VEDANTHAM ; L KG words are so gothic or vedic. Age is a 
concern only when behaviour is respectful or else  no respectful person will 
remain silent as so many in our land accept the blows.  One who cannot dance 
alone will use the man slaughter  Thank you KR IRS 21524
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From: 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers 
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 at 07:28
Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] retort 2 in 10 minutes to zero Narayanasamy
To: keralaiy...@googlegroups.com , Narayanaswamy 
Iyer , Iyer , APS Mani 



 Respected sir,
It is best  not to respond to a mentally derailed member  like Mr Rajaram. . It 
will be endless. The mad man does not know he is abusing his own wards and 
ancestors. Recently I read a response in which he abuses you as old man. He 
does not know even his age. Let us hope a speedy recovery from illness to old 
man Mr Rajaram. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 21 May, 2024 at 05:49:51 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Because pinned to the wall and stark naked for his acrimony admitted KR
On Tue, 21 May 2024 at 04:11, Narayanaswamy Iyer  wrote:

Ghouls howling on moonless midnights in the arid deserts deserve neither notice 
nor reply.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:39 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy  
wrote:


Dear folks//   Dear all

 

Whenever confronted with the inescapable truth, the deadand buried hairless, 
toothless, witless, unlearned, illiterate, unschooled,uneducated aachaa-paatti 
old hag Karuppaayee-paatti K Rajaram ex-IRS  20524 shrieks from her 
worm-crawling rottingcadaver six feet below ground, confused and conflicted in 
everything sheblabbers,

KR  Kizhattuppaya RIP and dead already fromsinful city pimpS Narayanasamy

(1)  As I clarifiedearlier:-  Varana" has nothing to dowith "varna".

The Sanskrit word "varanam" means, among otherthings, begging, soliciting, 
requesting, covering, screening, protecting, arampart, surrounding wall, a 
ridge, a tree in general, a camel.  "Vara" means best, excellent, mostbeautiful 
or precious, better and preferable, and so on.

The four varnas are fully set out in our vedams asbraahmana, kshathriya, 
vaishya, and shoodra, who each spring respectively fromthe various parts of the 
body of the original virad-purusha.

It is NEVER a free choice for a new-born baby to choosehis or her varna.  

The baby follows the varna of its legitimately marriedparents.  

(2)   As for thereliance on Skaanda puraanam, I have already pointed out that a 
fallible merehuman-originated puraanam has no authority to over-ride our 
vedams. 

(3)  Same goes  for reliance on the mahaa-bhaaratham, apuraanam written by 
illegitimate Vyaasa (whose parents neve married), tripleadulterer and rapist of 
dead King Vichithraveeryan's two widows Ambikaa andAmbaalikaa, and the latter's 
maid-servant, producing respectively illegitimatesons blind Dritharaashtra, 
mottled-skin Paandoo, and Vidoora.

KR Hello I hadgiven evidence; so you have rebut with evidence; and not your 
ignorancedisplayed. Theabsence of evidence from you is lack of evidence and so 
crash face down.

(4)   Manu Smrithiis no authority for over-riding the clear language of the 
vedam regarding theorigin, order of precedence, and distinction of the four 
varnas.

KR Manu smirithi is not authority, but S Narayanasamygutter is?  Denial and 
assertions arenegative reasoning succeptible to downfall of your words 
Narayana. 

(5)  As for relianceon Yaajnyavalkya, I have already emphasised that he is 
merely a rebel studentwho was expelled from Veda-school for disruptive 
behaviour and grossinsubordination.  His words are of noconsequence.

KR   Rebel than you Narayana? At least he wrotesomething which are there to 
follow, by so many; but you are big zero and yetcan talk? 

(6)   "Theycall the Teacher “father,” on account of his imparting the Veda."

My comments:-

No.  Not at all.

It is the boy's real birth father who imparts theVeda-manthrams to his son.  
The"teacher" or "guru" merely acts as a supplementary tutorfor the real father.

KR    As I am teaching you you become my prodigalson according to veda. 

    Verse 2.171: Section XXIX - Meaning of Term‘Twice-born’

Sanskrit text,Unicode transliteration and English translation by Ganganath Jha:

वेदप्रदानादाचार्यंपितरं परिचक्षते ।

न ह्यस्मिन्युज्यते कर्म

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-21

2024-05-21 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-21

The below   QA is  from  Quora  digest to me  on  21-05-2024.

.Compiledand posted byR. Gopala krishnan,  on 21-05-2024

Q   What is a brief summary of the full story ofMahabharatha?

A   ÁnushGudimetlá, Reading the BORI 
Mahbharata(2022-present)Updated 2y

It is quite hard since Mahabharata is full of interconnectedand interwoven 
stories. I will give the briefest summary.

There was a king named Shantanu and he had Ganga as his wife.They had a son, 
whose name was Devavrata. He became a good prince.

My addition- After the birth of Devarata, Gangaleft king Santhanu according to 
the agreed marriage condition by king Santhanu withGanga.

Years passed. One day Shantanu fell in love with Satyavati.Shantanu asked 
Satyavati’s father whether he can marry her. He agrees but onone condition - 
The person to inherit the throne shouldn’t be Devavrata and itshould be 
Satyavati’s children to inherit it.

Shantanu, however, didn’t like this and he declines. ButDevavrata, on coming to 
know this, went to  Satyavati’s residence ,met her father, and took a vow that 
he would remain celibatethroughout his life and will remain bound to the 
throne.Because of this vow hetook, Devavrata came to be known as Bhishma, one 
of the most wisest and mostpowerful characters in Mahabharata.

Then Satyavati and Shantanu marry, and give birth to 2children, named 
Chitrangada and Vichitravirya. Chitrangada should inherit thethrone, but he 
dies in the battle with Gandharvas.

Then Vichitravirya becomes the ruler and he marries two womennamed Ambika and 
Ambalika. But before they gave birth to children,Vichitravirya died.

Satyavati had another son named  Vyasa(he is also author of the Mahabharata). 
Sherequests him to grant children to both the women through the niyoga 
tradition.

Then Ambika and Ambalika gave birth to two sons. They were -Dhritarashtra and 
Pandu. Dhritarashtra should rightfully have been king afterhis father passed, 
but since he was a blind person, he was disqualified fromkingship. His younger 
son, Pandu was made the king.

Pandu ruled his kingdom nicely for a time. However hishappiness was short lived.

One day he was hunting and he kills a deer. He realizes thatthe deer is 
actually a sage. The sage, then curses him that, he can’treproduce, and won’t 
be able to produce a heir. Upset by this, he handed theempire to Dhritarashtra 
and went to the forest with his 2 wives, Kunti andMadri.

Dhritarashtra was then happy that, now there no longer willbe anyone to claim 
the throne(Pandu can’t have children), and the next thronewill belong to his 
sons only.

But however, there was a loophole — Kunti had a boon fromsage Durvasa, that she 
could have a child by any god whom she respects withouthaving any marital 
affair. She had to chant a mantra with great devotionfocusing on a god of her 
choice, and that god would come down to Earth and giveher a child.

Kunti, in the forest, chanted the mantra to 3 gods — Yama,Vayu, and Indra and 
bore three sons — Yuddhistira, Bhima, and Arjunarespectively.

She taught this to Madri too, and Madri chanted mantra to theAshwini twin gods, 
and got two sons - Nakula and Sahadeva.

These 5 sons are known as Pandavas.

  Another importantstory to note - When Kunti first had this mantra, she 
dedicated it to Surya thesun god to see whether it worked or not. It gave birth 
to a boy. This boy isKarna, who is an important character in Mahabharata.

  But, she wasunmarried that time. Hence, Kunti abandoned the newly born Karna 
adrift in abasket on the Ganges, in the hope that he finds foster parents. The 
basket was discoveredand Karna was adopted and raised by foster Suta parents 
named Radha andAdhiratha. 

They requests Surya to give Karna the Kavach Kundal, apowerful shield to 
protect body.

__

But unfortunately one day, Pandu died. Heart-broken, Madriflung herself into 
his funeral pyre and died, leaving Kunti to take care of all5 boys alone.She 
decides to head back to Hastinapura.

A lot of things had happened in the Hastinapura during allthis time. 
Dhritarashtra and his wife Gandhari, gave birth to, well, 100 sons  and a 
daughter. They were all born at almostsame time, and not naturally too. Once 
Vyasa granted Gandhari a boon, and sherequested hundred sons. She became 
pregnant, gave birth to flesh, which was cutinto hundred and one pieces by 
Vyasa, and were incubated in a mud pot.

Coming back to story now. Kunti arrived at Dhritarashtra’splace. He allowed 
them to stay in there.

The 105 princes grew up together. They were taught lessonsunder Drona. Even 
Karna whom I told before was taught here.

In all the lessons and departments, the Pandavas outraneveryone. Yuddhistira 
was the most honest and upright(he was called Dharmaraj),Bhima was strongest, 
Arjuna was the best archer, Nakula and Sahadeva were besthorsemen.

This made the Kauravas, especially Duryodhana very jealous.

Re: [iyer123] Re: Unexplained shock

2024-05-21 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Respected sir,
I read your mail to Mr Sai, moderator, iyer 123 google group. Let the OLD MAN,
mentally derailed Mr Rajaram clap with his one hand since the other hand is
incapacitated. I am very very happy to read your mail.Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 21 May, 2024 at 02:19:54 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer
wrote:

Dear Sri Indian Rediff
Extremely regretful to learn that you " hardly come to the group these days -
the acrimony is unnecessary for your health."
Shall seriously endeavour to restrain and to eliminate the "acrimony" on my
part, so that you can regain your health.
As you will appreciate, it takes two hands to clap.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer

On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 6:01 AM Indian R wrote:

Loved this joke! Thanks for a breath of fresh air!
SaiP.S. I hardly come to the group these days - the acrimony is unnecessary for
my health

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 4:38:59 AM UTC-4 kavir...@gmail.com wrote:

SHOCK: MALAYSIAN UMRAH PILGRIM UNABLE TO STAND UP TO EXIT A380 PLANE UPON
ARRIVAL IN JEDDAH
It is now the season for Muslims to perform Umrah. Many stories have emerged,
claiming that those with many sins will not be able to see the Kaaba, cannot
step foot on the holy land, and various other stories.
There was a Malaysian pilgrim in his 60s, boarding an Airbus A380 plane. When
the plane landed in Jeddah, he suddenly could not stand up to exit. He sat back
down, tried to stand again, but still could not. He started seeking forgiveness
and reciting loudly, startling the other pilgrims. He remembered his past sins
and apologized, confessing all his mistakes to his wife, including admitting to
having a younger second wife whom he had married just 6 months before departing
for the holy land.
The flight attendant approached the pilgrim, "What's wrong with you,
uncle..?""You look pale..?"With a loud voice, he replied, ".. Uncle can't get
up because uncle has many sins towards auntie.."
" *Uncle*.."*To stand up you need to* *unfasten your seat belt first*"

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Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: CULTURAL QA 05-2024-20

2024-05-20 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram, 

Unless you write in decent manner, please note, I too will be tempted to do so. 
99% I never write in indecent manner. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 21 May, 2024 at 07:21:04 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
CULTURAL QA 05202420

Q1   Can youtell a story from Akbar and Birbal stories?

KR Hypocrisyof laughable stuff from an ignorant compiler (Legendary 
Ketchup Geniuses),talking about brahmin elevation!! It looks like Kushbu 
conducting cooking classin TV show.  

Q2   What isthe most amazing or shocking thing you know that most 
people don't?

KR  Watermelonadulteration is not commonly reported in India, China, or 
the USA. Then wherethe FSSAI etc dupes? 

Now a days for colouring: natural alternativesfor food products due to 
increasing consumer demand for clean-label and naturalingredients. Some natural 
alternatives for food colouring include:

Beetroot Extract: Provides a deep red colour and iscommonly used in products 
like red velvet cake, fruit juices, and gelatinedesserts.

Annatto: Derived from the seeds of the achiote tree,annatto provides a yellow 
to orange colour and is used in cheese, butter, andsnack foods.

Turmeric: This spice, known for its vibrant yellow colour,is used to colour 
foods like mustard, sauces, and rice dishes.

Paprika: Made from dried and ground peppers, paprikaprovides a reddish-orange 
colour and is used in seasonings, snacks, and meatproducts.

Spirulina Extract: Derived from the blue-green algaeSpirulina, this natural 
pigment provides a blue-green colour and is used inbeverages, confections, and 
ice creams.

Caramel: While caramel can be produced artificially, itcan also be derived 
naturally from heating sugar, providing a brown colour usedin beverages, baked 
goods, and sauces.

Chlorophyll: Obtained from green plants, chlorophyllprovides a green colour and 
is used in candies, beverages, and healthsupplements.

 

Anthocyanins: Found naturally in various fruits andvegetables such as berries 
and red cabbage, anthocyanins provide red, purple,or blue colours and are used 
in a range of food products.

And not even one case is regd under FSSAI in India tilldate. 

Q3   Whydidn't Vidura get a punishment, tho he was also there when 
Draupadi was beingdisrobed?

LKG: If one knows the truth, but chooses to be quiet forfear or self-gratifying 
interests, he is also a part of the crime!

KR  Though Ican draw the original Mahabharatham Sanskrit version where 
VIDURA speaks  in the Sabha, preventing Duta; he wasignored; then betting was 
lost  byDharma, when Saguni intercepts to play Draupadi as stake, Vuthura 
speaks toDridharashtran but again was ignored; and 3rd time, when she was tobe 
brought to sabha as a30 year old woman in menses time, Vithura speaks aboutthe 
joy of then in the sabha will end their lives; but Duryodhana heckles him;so 
Vituran neeti was always well balanced unlike Bheeshma. 

KR IRS 20524

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On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 02:02, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-20

All theBELOW  QA are from  Quora digest to me   on  20-05-2024.

 Quoraanswers need not be 100% correct answers 

.Compiled andposted by R. Gopala krishnan,  on 20-05-2024

Q1   Can youtell a story from Akbar and Birbal stories?

A1   Chauhan Babu Nath,14h

Once when Akbar sawa Brahmin begging in a pitiful condition, he said 
sarcastically towards Birbal- 'Birbal! These are your Brahmins! Who is known as 
Brahma Devta. He is abeggar. 


Birbal did not sayanything at that time. But when Akbar went to the palace, 
Birbal came back andasked the Brahmin why he begs?

The Brahmin said -'I don't have money, jewellery, land, anything and I am not 
even very educated.Therefore, begging for the support of my family is my 
compulsion.

Birbal asked - 'Howmuch can one earn in a day by begging'?

The Brahmin replied- 'Six to eight Ashrafiyas.'

Birbal said - 'Ifyou get some work, will you stop begging?'

The Brahmin asked -'What should I do?'

Birbal said - 'Youwill have to take bath in Brahmamuhurta, wear clean clothes 
and chant 101rounds of Gayatri Mantra every day and for this you will receive 
10 Ashrafis asa gift every day.'

The Brahminaccepted Birbal's proposal. From the next day the Brahmin stopped 
begging andstarted chanting Gayatri Mantra with great devotion and returned to 
his home inthe evening with 10 Ashrafis as a gift. Seeing the true devotion and 
dedicationof the Brahmin, after a few days Birbal increased both the number of 
GayatriMantra chanters and the number of Ashrafis. Due to the power of Gayatri 
Mantra,the Brahmin did not have the slightest worry about hunger, thirst or 
physicalillness. Due to the chanting of Gayatri Mantra his face started 
glowing.People's attention started getting attracted towards Brahmins. Those 
seekingdarshan started offering him sweets, fruits, money and clothes. Now he 
nolonger needed even

Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: CULTURAL QA 05-2024-20A

2024-05-20 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

, and 
relaxation, enhancing the user experience during periods ofcomputer inactivity. 
(courtesy: Computer world)

Q5 Whatis a life-changing travel hack that you have recently 
discovered?

KR   Airlines do make money not only on weight but also on 
linearmeasurements. Amazon scale may be a guideline but never accurate. And the 
weighingscale standard is good but one cannot place the suitcases or carry bags 
on thescale. So the best way to do it is, weigh yourself; weigh the bag carried 
by you;the difference in weight is that of the bag. If you report 32,3 kg or 
7,2; drop 0.5 and taketo the airport; it will be OK; in Business class more 
leniency is shown. Instead of23 kg and 7 kg permit 32 kg and 3 check in and 2 
hand luggage apart fromcomputer, ladies hand bag etc. Books and umbrellas can 
also be carried exclusively.The weighing scale of amazon needs extra food  to 
be eaten to lift up with weight. 

KR IRS 20524

Xx




On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 08:38, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-20A

All the BELOW  QA are from  Quora  digest to me  on  20-05-2024.

Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers 

.Compiled and posted by R. Gopalakrishnan,  on 20-05-2024

Q1 What's the funniest thing a kid hassaid or done?

A1 DonaldMcCririck, High School teacher, counsellor10y

As we drove along in the car, my daughter, who was about 3 or4 at the time, sat 
quietly - a little more so than usual. Then she asked,"Papa, when are you going 
to die?" I immediately assured her that Iwas healthy, I wasn't going to die for 
a very long time, not to worry etc. Tomy surprise she looked a bit saddened by 
my answer, so I asked what was wrong.She said, "I want a cat, and mum says I 
can't have one because you areallergic."

Q2 If the Bhagavad Gita says no masalafoods (spicy), then why do 
all the Indian Hindus eat masala food?

A2 DevalaRees, Practitioner of Sanatana Dharma under Mata 
Amritanandamayi Dec 30

Key word: If. The Bhagavad Gita does not say “no masala/spicyfoods”. I think 
you’re referring to Bhagavad Gita 17.9, which says that ati-uṣhṇa,tīkṣhṇa, and 
vidāhinaḥ foods produce distress, sorrow, and poor health. Theseterms refer to 
the most extremely spicy, fiery hot foods, which enflameRajoguna.

Notably, the Bhagavad Gita doesn’t say not to eat them. TheBhagavad Gita is not 
in the business of telling people do’s and don’ts. Itgives the information of 
the subtle effects such foods will cause, and thensays “Considering all of this 
carefully, do as you see fit.” Some such foodsare okay. Too much will cause 
problems. Different people’s physiologies canhandle different levels of spice; 
what may make one person feel bad and ruintheir day may be okay for another. 
Too much will be bad for anyone. TheBhagavad Gita encourages us to use our 
intelligence, not just followone-size-fits-all dictates like absolute 
commandments. It suggests that if youexperience distress, sorrow, or ill health 
in your life, one area to look at isyour diet, which may be part of the problem.

To be sure, I do think a lot of Indian Hindus eat unhealthydiets and should 
really work on improving this.

Q3 Are the descendants of Pandavas andKauravas living now?

A3 ReshmaaArmad, Lives in India 6y

Yuyutsu was the only Kaurava to survive according to LordKrishna’s sermon, 
because he fought in the side of the Pandavas. All the otherswere claimed 
slain. But he was not the son of Gandhari. The other 100 Kauravasand he had the 
same father Dridharashtra, but Yuyutsu’s mother was Sugadha, aVaishya clan 
woman. Then, the five Pandava brothers are claimed to be survivedthe battle as 
well.

Also,

When Gandhari (mother of the 100 Kauravas) heard about thatall of her 100 sons 
were slain, she cursed Krishna saying that this was all hiswork and the Yadava 
clan will go down soon. Some of the Yadavas decided to mocka few sages by 
placing a mace under their dress and pretending to be pregnant.The sage cursed 
them that their end would be brought about by that very mace.Krishna had known 
that it will be the mace of destruction of his clan. The clanmembers powder the 
mace(With a triangle piece not breaking down) and dump itinto the sea to be 
safe. That powdered iron somehow reached the shores ofDwaraka, grew into the 
form of a poisonous spined creeper all over the shore.One day intoxicated 
Yadava members start fighting along the shore. They startpulling out the 
creepers to use as weapons, which brings them to theirdownfall.

A hunter called Jara finds that one triangular piece and usesit as an 
arrowhead. Mistaking a meditating Krishna’s foot as the mouth of adeer, he 
shoots his foot with the arrow, killing Krishna. It is believed thatBali was 
reborn as hunter Jara as Vishnu in his Ram Avatar killed Bali frombehind when 
Bali and sugriva were fighting.

So ,it is shown

Re: [KeralaIyers] Pitu Gotra contd

2024-05-20 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Mr Rajaram,
Have I wrote any thing in degrading manner? Why do you use degrading words?
This is your drawback. Afterwards you will write I started using degrading
words.Gopalakrishnan

On Tuesday, 21 May, 2024 at 07:28:05 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
wrote:

gopala krishnan

Respected sir,

In previous postings Mr Rajaram copy pasted messages fromKanchi sankaracharya.
The same Kanchi sankaracharya only told, caste of aperson depends on his
parents. I have read from Kanchi matam letters.

I am sure when I repeat here , Mr Rajaram will ask forproof!!!

KR Undoubtedly; because, I am givingeverything to test check; but you two
alone pouring as if you are a Raja Rishiand a super hero whose dictum is veda.
So write authentically; and you have toonly copy and paste or else it will hang
only in air without content

xxx

Regarding Varna, I too read the explanation he copied fromsome source. It is
the first time I reading Varna is derived from vara. Icannot compete with wide
knowledge Mr Rajaram.

KR If you do not know stop thee; do notjalra thinking he must be correct.
Because when his nose bleeds you also becomeapaart. I had written elsewhere
Read if you are honest and regret

xxx

Further he has copied from some where,The word “caste” isderived from the
Portuguese and Spanish word “casta”, meaning “race” or“breed”. It is synonymous
to ‘jaati’."

KR That is why Nidanam is required or else youwill be exposed as……

I could not control my laugh.!!!

KR Now how would I laugh at L KG ?

Xxxx

gopala krishnan

Hello Mr Rajaram,

Who appreciated you as super Hero? Can't you recollecteven Mr Madras Sivaraman
former I A S himself asked you recently , whether your posts are your own or
copypaste ?You tucked your tail and repliedonly 50% is your own. I know only
one note highlighted was yours. Are you notashamed to say you are a super hero.

KR When Duryodhananwent out he saw bad people only; but Dharma vision was
different So you too!! Your knowledge is so poor. You only writefrom
somewhere; and you also write: I know only one word is mine;
contradictingyourself. But you cannot blow my content with your truth if at all?

xxx

There is a Tamil saying "Bommai, gopuramthankeetham".

A small idol installed on the top of the tower thought itwas supporting the
tower. Your superhero is like that only.

I wrote to you many times, all members in the group has good caliber, some very
well above you likeme.

Gopalakrishnan

KR Gopuram false etc does it matter fromsuch a knowledgeable L K G? Never
sir. All write to me about your spectacularwrite up. Good keep it up. The more
exposed (a) vivekam is far betterthan these titbits you do!! KR IRS 21524
xxx

On Mon, 20 May 2024 at 07:50, gopala krishnan wrote:

Respected sir,
In previous postings Mr Rajaram copy pasted messages from Kanchi sankaracharya.
The same Kanchi sankaracharya only told, caste of a person depends on his
parents.I have read from Kanchi matam letters.

I am sure when I repeat here , Mr Rajaram will ask for proof!!!

Regarding Varna, I too read the explanation he copied from some source. It is
the first time I reading Varna is derived from vara. I cannot compete with wide
knowledge Mr Rajaram.

Further he has copied from some where,The word “caste” is derived from the
Portuguese and Spanish word “casta”, meaning “race” or “breed”. It is
synonymous to ‘jaati’."
I could not control my laugh.!!!
Gopalakrishnan

On Monday, 20 May, 2024 at 03:44:00 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer
wrote:

Dear folks
Whenever the dead and buried hairless, toothless, witless, unlearned,
illiterate, unschooled, uneducated aachaa-paatti old hag Karuppan-paatti K
Rajaram ex-IRS 19524//20524 shrieks from her worm-crawling rotting cadaver six
feet below ground, it starts with a couple of giant lies. And persists so to
the very end.
Displaying for public scrutiny her penchant for lying, and lying big, she
starts off in her usual drain-gutter-sewer ungrammatical broken English:-
(1) "Varana -- The word ‘varna’ is derived from the Sanskrit word ‘vara’,
meaning “choice”. It is always a person’s choice to choose their varana."

My comments:-

"Varana" has nothing to do with "varna".

The Sanskrit word "varanam" means, among other things, begging, soliciting,
requesting, covering, screening, protecting, a rampart, surrounding wall, a
ridge, a tree in general, a camel.

"Vara" means best, excellent, most beautiful or precious, better and
preferable, and so on.

The four varnas are fully set out in our vedams as braahmana, kshathriya,
vaishya, and shoodra, who each spring respectively from the various parts of
the body of the original virad-purusha.

It is NEVER a free choice for a new-born baby to choose his or her

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-20A

2024-05-20 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-20A

All the BELOW  QA are from  Quora  digest to me  on  20-05-2024.

Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers 

.Compiled and posted by R. Gopalakrishnan,  on 20-05-2024

Q1 What's the funniest thing a kid hassaid or done?

A1 DonaldMcCririck, High School teacher, counsellor10y

As we drove along in the car, my daughter, who was about 3 or4 at the time, sat 
quietly - a little more so than usual. Then she asked,"Papa, when are you going 
to die?" I immediately assured her that Iwas healthy, I wasn't going to die for 
a very long time, not to worry etc. Tomy surprise she looked a bit saddened by 
my answer, so I asked what was wrong.She said, "I want a cat, and mum says I 
can't have one because you areallergic."

Q2 If the Bhagavad Gita says no masalafoods (spicy), then why do 
all the Indian Hindus eat masala food?

A2 DevalaRees, Practitioner of Sanatana Dharma under Mata 
Amritanandamayi Dec 30

Key word: If. The Bhagavad Gita does not say “no masala/spicyfoods”. I think 
you’re referring to Bhagavad Gita 17.9, which says that ati-uṣhṇa,tīkṣhṇa, and 
vidāhinaḥ foods produce distress, sorrow, and poor health. Theseterms refer to 
the most extremely spicy, fiery hot foods, which enflameRajoguna.

Notably, the Bhagavad Gita doesn’t say not to eat them. TheBhagavad Gita is not 
in the business of telling people do’s and don’ts. Itgives the information of 
the subtle effects such foods will cause, and thensays “Considering all of this 
carefully, do as you see fit.” Some such foodsare okay. Too much will cause 
problems. Different people’s physiologies canhandle different levels of spice; 
what may make one person feel bad and ruintheir day may be okay for another. 
Too much will be bad for anyone. TheBhagavad Gita encourages us to use our 
intelligence, not just followone-size-fits-all dictates like absolute 
commandments. It suggests that if youexperience distress, sorrow, or ill health 
in your life, one area to look at isyour diet, which may be part of the problem.

To be sure, I do think a lot of Indian Hindus eat unhealthydiets and should 
really work on improving this.

Q3 Are the descendants of Pandavas andKauravas living now?

A3 ReshmaaArmad, Lives in India 6y

Yuyutsu was the only Kaurava to survive according to LordKrishna’s sermon, 
because he fought in the side of the Pandavas. All the otherswere claimed 
slain. But he was not the son of Gandhari. The other 100 Kauravasand he had the 
same father Dridharashtra, but Yuyutsu’s mother was Sugadha, aVaishya clan 
woman. Then, the five Pandava brothers are claimed to be survivedthe battle as 
well.

Also,

When Gandhari (mother of the 100 Kauravas) heard about thatall of her 100 sons 
were slain, she cursed Krishna saying that this was all hiswork and the Yadava 
clan will go down soon. Some of the Yadavas decided to mocka few sages by 
placing a mace under their dress and pretending to be pregnant.The sage cursed 
them that their end would be brought about by that very mace.Krishna had known 
that it will be the mace of destruction of his clan. The clanmembers powder the 
mace(With a triangle piece not breaking down) and dump itinto the sea to be 
safe. That powdered iron somehow reached the shores ofDwaraka, grew into the 
form of a poisonous spined creeper all over the shore.One day intoxicated 
Yadava members start fighting along the shore. They startpulling out the 
creepers to use as weapons, which brings them to theirdownfall.

A hunter called Jara finds that one triangular piece and usesit as an 
arrowhead. Mistaking a meditating Krishna’s foot as the mouth of adeer, he 
shoots his foot with the arrow, killing Krishna. It is believed thatBali was 
reborn as hunter Jara as Vishnu in his Ram Avatar killed Bali frombehind when 
Bali and sugriva were fighting.

So ,it is shown as example that law of karma works in Hindumythology 
irrespective of stature .

Thus, though late, the Yadava descendents were wiped out,according to 
Gandhari’s curse.

Q4 What is something interesting aboutcomputers that most people 
don't know?

A4 StartSameer,7mo

Do you remember those old computer screensavers, like theWindows logo floating 
around or the 3D Pipes and the Maze? I used to think theywere just for fun, but 
they actually had a job to do.

Back in the day, computer screens could get damaged if thesame picture stayed 
on them for too long. This damage was called 'screen burn.'

So, to prevent screen burn, the screensaver would kick inafter a while, and it 
showed moving stuff like the 3D pipe. It wasn't there forus to watch; it was 
there to protect the screen.

Q5 What is a life-changing travel hackthat you have recently 
discovered?

A5 ShaunakBhattacharjeee, Software Engineer | Traveller | Foodie 
Feb 24

Airline companies are very strict with their 15-kilogramcheck-in bag limit and 
if you exceed it by a

Re: [KeralaIyers] Pitu Gotra contd

2024-05-20 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Respected sir,
In previous postings Mr Rajaram copy pasted messages from Kanchi sankaracharya. 
The same Kanchi sankaracharya only told,  caste of a person depends on his 
parents.I have read from Kanchi matam letters. 

I am sure when I repeat here , Mr Rajaram will ask for proof!!!

Regarding Varna, I too read the explanation he copied from some source. It is 
the first time I reading Varna is derived from vara. I cannot compete with wide 
knowledge Mr Rajaram. 

Further he has copied from some where,The word “caste” is derived from the 
Portuguese and Spanish word “casta”, meaning “race” or “breed”. It is 
synonymous to ‘jaati’."
I could not control my laugh.!!!
Gopalakrishnan






On Monday, 20 May, 2024 at 03:44:00 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer 
 wrote:  
 
 
Dear folks
Whenever the dead and buried hairless, toothless, witless, unlearned, 
illiterate,  unschooled, uneducated aachaa-paatti old hag Karuppan-paatti K 
Rajaram ex-IRS 19524//20524 shrieks from her worm-crawling rotting cadaver six 
feet below ground, it starts with a couple of giant lies.  And persists so to 
the very end.
Displaying for public scrutiny her penchant for lying, and lying big, she 
starts off in her usual drain-gutter-sewer ungrammatical  broken English:-
(1)  "Varana  -- The word ‘varna’ is derived from the Sanskrit word ‘vara’, 
meaning “choice”. It is always a person’s choice to choose their varana."



My comments:-  




"Varana" has nothing to do with "varna".





The Sanskrit word "varanam" means, among other things, begging, soliciting, 
requesting, covering, screening, protecting, a rampart, surrounding wall, a 
ridge, a tree in general, a camel.





"Vara" means best, excellent, most beautiful or precious, better and 
preferable, and so on.




The four varnas are fully set out in our vedams as braahmana, kshathriya, 
vaishya, and shoodra, who each spring respectively from the various parts of 
the body of the original virad-purusha.




It is NEVER a free choice for a new-born baby to choose his or her varna.  
The baby follows the varna of its legitimately married parents.  

(2)  "SkandaPurana  --  By birth one is a Shudra. Through rituals (samskaara), 
one is considered a dvija. One who has read the Vedas has become a Vipra and 
one who knows Brahman is a Brahmana."  
My comments:-

A fallible mere human-originated puraanam has no authority to over-ride our 
vedams. 
(3)   "A child aged around 11-12 years is supposed to go to a Guru and undergo 
initiation after which he/she is a dvija (twice-born). This procedure is called 
‘Upanayana’ and following that one is said to be born from the Guru and the 
Vedas and is a Brahmachaari."
My comments:-  More lies, heaped on lies.
A male child aged eight years born of braahmana parents is expected to undergo 
initiation into Vedic manthrams BY HIS FATHER (assisted by a braahmana priest 
if necessary) in the samskaaram called upanayanam.  
During this sacred rite the child is conferred the right to wear a 
yagnopaveetham, to perform the maadhyaahnikam (involving momentary 
surya-darishanam of the noonday Sun) and other sandhyaa-vandanams, and to 
perform the fire-ceremony called samidhaa-daanam.  
On completion, he is entitled to be called  brahmachaari.
(4)  "After reading the four Vedas and following them, a student is a Vipra, 
the preliminary rank before becoming a Brahmana, Kshatriya or Vaishya."
My comments:-
The upanayanam does not confer the right to study the atharva-vedam.  That 
requires a separate upanayanam involving occult and magical practices.
Under the fulltime guidance of his guru (who may be the priest, father, elder 
brother, uncle or other learned individual) the brahmachaari studies the r'g, 
yajur and saama vedams.  On completion, which might well take eight to sixteen 
years, and giving his guru the guru-dakshina, he takes the ceremonial 
graduation bath by triple immersion in the sea or flowing river.  
He is then known as a vipra.  He is free to perform the samskaaram of vivaaham 
(marry a virgin of his varna), and start a family.
(5)  "One would generally, having completed their education choose a varana 
that suits them,"
My comments:-  Absolute rubbish again.
The varna is determined at birth, as per our vedams.  There never was a 
qjuestion of "choice".
(6)   "Varana vs. Varna: The Difference


The word ‘varana’, translates to “a choice-based position in society”. It is 
derived from the word ‘Vara’ (choice), similar to Swayamvara, a ceremony where 
a princess ‘chooses’ her husband."




My comments:-  Again,  absolute trash.  I have set out above the difference 
between the two words.




In the expression "svayam-vara", the word "vara" means "husband".





(7)  "The word “caste” is derived from the Portuguese and Spanish word “casta”, 
meaning “race” or “breed”. It is synonymous to ‘jaati’."




My comments:-   Absolute nonsense, as usual.




The word "caste" is actually derived from the Latin word "casta", meaning 
CHASTE, i.e.

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] faster than light FTL

2024-05-19 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 The saying - A person having cut nose told looking at a person having perfect 
nose- Look at him, a person with big nose. 

On Monday, 20 May, 2024 at 07:25:04 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 The aviveki does read all vedas materials written by me in exactitude; at 98, 
supposed to be learned so far, had written just few verses and slokas ,in 20 
years, that too which we do normally recite. And he is blank in science. People 
a couple say he is ReV. I dont know whether he wrote letters to them. One who 
is writing vedic scriptures apart from science also , is as usual described in 
his butler English, the moment he wakes up in Singapore (sun rise being far 
ahead of Inda) blabbers without understanding out of animosity. Propound your 
theory old hag. I am OK but are u?  Keep blabbeting as a cow is good as long as 
we hear the neck-bell. Take care baby Otheer rthah these , nothing you can KR 
IRS 20524
-- Forwarded message -
From: Narayanaswamy Iyer 
Date: Sun, 19 May 2024 at 20:45
Subject: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] faster than light FTL
To: , iyer , 
Laxminarayan Sarma , gopala krishnan 

Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer 



Dear folks
A warped mind wich despises our vedas and other sacred scriptures, yearns for 
the unreality of pseudo-science such as:-
"Theoretical warp drives require negative energy to stabilize the warp bubble. 
Negative energy is a concept supported by certain quantum field theories, 
though its practical generation and stabilization are beyond current 
technological capabilities."
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 10:56 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy  
wrote:


Faster-than-light 'warp speed' interstellar travel nowthought to be possible   
Earth.com staffwriter  ***

In another example of how truth is often stranger thanfiction, scientists have 
taken a significant step towards turning the sci-ficoncept of “warp drives” 
into a feasible reality.

According to Einstein’s theory of relativity, going fasterthan the speed of 
light is off-limits in the real world. For this reason, warpdrives, like the 
one powering spaceships in Star Wars and other science fictionmovies, have 
always been firmly in the realm of imagination — until now.

New research, led by Dr. Jared Fuchs from Applied Physicsand published in the 
prestigious Classical and Quantum Gravity journal,presents a new solution to 
one of the long-standing challenges in realizingwarp drive technology.

Traditional warp drive concept

The traditional sci-fi concept of a warp drive involvesdistorting spacetime in 
a very specific way: compressing it in front of theship and expanding it behind.

In theory, thiswould allow the ship to effectively travel faster-than-light 
without actuallyexceeding the speed limit locally.{KR Placebo effect}

However, previous studies of this idea suggested that itwould require exotic 
forms of matter with “negative energy density.”

Understanding negative energy density

In our everyday experience, energy is always positive. Even in a vacuum, there 
is a small amount of positiveenergy called the “vacuum energy” or “zero-point 
energy.”

This is a consequence of the Heisenberg uncertaintyprinciple in quantum 
mechanics, which states that there are always fluctuationsin the energy of a 
system, even at the lowest possible energy state.

The existence of negative energy density is highlyspeculative and problematic 
within the framework of known physics. The laws of thermodynamics and the 
energy conditions ingeneral relativity seem to prohibit the existence of large 
amounts of negativeenergy density.

Some theories, such as the Casimireffect and certain quantum field theories, do 
predict the existence ofsmall amounts of negative energy density under specific 
conditions. However,these effects are typically very small and confined to 
microscopic scales.

New approach to warp drive technology

This is where the new study comes in. Applied Physicsresearchers identified a 
new way in which warp technology might one day be possible. Theteam introduced 
the concept of a “constant-velocity subluminal warp drive”aligned with the 
principles of relativity.

The new model eliminates the need for exotic energy, usinginstead a 
sophisticated blend of traditional and novel gravitational techniquesto create 
a warp bubble that can transport objects at high speeds within thebounds of 
known physics.

“This study changes the conversation about warp drives,”said lead author Dr. 
Fuchs. “By demonstrating a first-of-its-kind model, we’veshown that warp drives 
might not be relegated to science fiction.”

The team’s theoretical model for a new type of warp bubbleuses traditional and 
innovative gravitational techniques, made possible withtheir publicly-available 
tool Warp Factory.

This solution enables the transportation of objects athigh but subluminal 
speeds without the need for exotic energy sources. This canbe achieved by 
engineering warp drive spacetimes to gravitate like

Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] Sri Dhenupureeswarar Madambakkam-FORWARD

2024-05-18 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Thank you sirGopalakrishnan

On Sunday, 19 May, 2024 at 07:48:17 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 There are many temples in India and TN where front Gopuram is hit by 
something,unfinished I am trying to find my book written by an author finding 
some reasons Let me come back if I am lucky I dont know it is here or in India 
KR
On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 20:15, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Thank you sir for reading my forward and additions. 
Why the entrance tower/gate is not completed is a puzzle. The reasoning told by 
many is Parantaka chola II, had to defend a war by the time, and further 
construction was not done. 

Unlike many other Siva temples, here the Perumal Sannithi is large, and Iyengar 
priests are performing pooja. There is a perumal prasadam stall to the left of 
the entrance, managed by iyengars. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Sunday, 19 May, 2024 at 06:24:55 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Goo done and some more:  Dhenupureeswarar got his name because he gave moksha 
to acow (Sanskrit: Dhenu). Sage Kapila is said to have been reborn as a cow for 
hissin of having improperly worshiped a Shiva lingam using his left hand. The 
cowcontinued to worship Shiva by pouring milk on a Shiva lingam buried in 
theground. The cowherd initially punished the cow for wasting the milk, but 
whenthe villagers unearthed the Shiva lingam, Shiva appeared and granted 
moksha(liberation) to Kapila and forgave the cowherd who had mistreated him. 
Legendhas it that the king had a dream of this occurrence at this site and had 
thetemple built to commemorate it.
Dhenupureeswarar's consort here is Dhenukambal. The mainbuilding of the temple, 
which contains the statue of Dhenupureeswara in lingaform, faces east and his 
consort faces south in a separate sanctum. The Shivalingam is Swayambhu 
Lingamor self-manifested Lingam.


It is an interesting story of how the temple wasdiscovered from its ruins. One 
of the Bhaktas approached Maha Periyava SriChandra Sekarendra Saraswathi 
Swamigal and sought His blessings for his newlybuilt home at Selaiyur. Maha 
Periyava blessed him, and told him that there isan old Shiva temple lying in 
ruins at a nearby village called Mambakkam. Inthose days, even Selaiyur was a 
distant suburb, and no one had heard ofMadambakkam, even in Selaiyur. The 
Bhakta gathered some more men, and went in search of the temple.They cleared 
the bushes near the agricultural fields, and found an astoundingtemple in Chola 
architecture. They renovated it, performed Kumbabishekam, andcommenced daily 
pujas. The temple is now attracting thousands of people fromnearby locations.

The temple was built between 956 and 973 CE during thereign of the Chola king, 
Parantaka Chola II, father of Raja Raja Chola I, whoconstructed the famous 
Brihadeeswarar Temple in Thanjavur. The main sanctum(Sanskrit: garbha griha), 
like some other Chola temples in and around Chennai,is apsidal in shape 
(Sanskrit: gaja prishta vimana) (also described as shapedlike the back of a 
sleeping elephant), unlike most Hindu shrines, which aresquare or rectangular. 
The temple is thought to have been consolidated withstones during the reign of 
Kulothunga Chola Well-preserved Chola sculptures andcarved pillar bases are 
present in and around both sanctums. A number of fineinscriptions and 
sculptures dating to the Vijayanagara Empire are alsopreserved.The temple is 
one of a number of sites that have been conserved andrestored under the 
auspices of the Archaeological Survey of India. Improvementsincluded removing 
the damaged thick weathering course (roof surface) of thefront mandapa and 
Amman Shrine and relaying with fresh weathering course. TheASI states that the 
temple has been declared a monument of national importanceunder the Ancient 
Monuments and Archaeological Sites and Remains (amendment andvalidation) 2010 
Act. 


The temple is a National Monuments Authority notifiedsite upon which 
construction is banned. Verses mentioning the temple from Arumainathan’s 
Tirupppugazhinscribed on the temple wall. The 15th century Tamil 
poetArunagirinathar's work contains a line mentioning the temple. A number 
ofreligious festivals are celebrated at the temple, including Pradosha, Panguni 
Uthiramand during Navratri, devotees visit to offer special pujas.  {Chitra 
Madhavan (26 September 2003)."Ancient Chola temple at Madambakkam". The Hindu. 
Archived from theoriginal on 6 December 2003. J. V. Siva Prasanna Kumar (3 
August 2012)."1,000-year-old Chola legacy draws devotees". The Asian Age.  
Rohini Ramakrishnan (22 June 2010)."Walking through history". The Hindu. 
Retrieved 24 July 2014. T.Ramakrishnan (2 October 2001). "Restoring past 
glory".}   K Rajaram IRS  19524 

On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 19:24, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 
 wrote:


SriDhenupureeswarar Madambakkam-FORWARD

 Dear friends,

|  
One of my junior Engineers while working at Namakkal came to visit me when he 
came to Trivandrum for a training to my

Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: kicking the bucket -reg

2024-05-18 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Because of his arguments even in kicking bucket, he will be in the hell for 
more time. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Sunday, 19 May, 2024 at 09:53:00 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear folks
On 10 March 2024, I wrote in these columns:-
"Quick !
Dig deep and dispose of the putrid corpse of the Krishna-Draupathi blasphemer 
villain before it further pollutes the atmosphere."
This was in direct response to the blasphemer's highly provocative screeching, 
screaming, shouting derogatory e-mail against me personally in block capitals 
the previous day:-
"Any of you  Please take the NaRAYANASAMY BODY TO HOSPITAL EMERGENCY CRYING 
ALOUD; ATTEND IMMEDIATE  k r Irs  9324."
The screaming blaspheming idiot had already "kicked the bucket:, i.e. died and 
been buried six feet underground by then.
Amen!   Let him rot in narakam for ever. 
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 10:24 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy  
wrote:

Hello Mr Gopala for you he may be anything But you have not read and answered 
"what is that 6 feet under the earth" I am already dead? is it not> when that 
98 year old can write you ought to have asked him. And so I replied kicked the 
bucket  Dont feel as if you are a good boy. Even if you do, I will do it. Have 
you become blind. If you accept that act as good and mine AS BAD , I DON'T MIND 
WRITING ON YOU ALSO IF YOU WRITE IN THAT MANNER. MANNERS ARE REQUIRED FROM THE 
TOP WHOM YOU WORSHIP AS SCHOLAR. KR IRS  19524
On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 20:33, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram, 

Please do not mingle things. It is my request. I wrote never write to any one 
that you will kick the bucket soon. It may happen to you as a boomerang. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Saturday, 18 May, 2024 at 06:34:13 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 I agree with you. But how clever you are; that dog Sarama writes within a few 
as MF etc; you write separately and not including that Singapore sinner 
Narayanasamy. And pose a Goabel statement. The funniest aspect of all these is, 
all who read it sitting silently as spectators , while 3 villains expose their 
libels. Now what Narayanasamy wrote which that dog military canteen and you L K 
G would have read apart from some in the kerala group:" Narayansamy wrote,"Dear 
folks,  The madman with the unhinged mind shrieks again from six feet below 
ground, being eaten by worms, after committing culpable homicide:-"KR joker (he 
previously spelt "koker"!) jokes as he never even added one letter of good text 
so far."S Narayanaswamy Iyer".  What is that statement of Narayana, hey  Gopala 
and doggy sarama? You will make someone kick the bucket but your anna and the 
fraud if asked to kick, is an offence? I always retort; I never insult anyone 
unless someone pokes their nose; I am certain about it; even if none in all the 
groups except some have no back bones. I assure all of you these 3 are not 
worthy of living on this earth though you may treat them as your tribe and 
allow. Thank you  k Rajaram  IRS  18524  NB  You only invite trouble by being a 
trouble trigger
On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 00:51, gopala krishnan  wrote:

Mr Rajaram,
You should not use such words as Kicking the bucket at others. It shows your 
low profile. Perhaps you may kick the bucket earlier if you  write so. If you 
believe, believe me. Otherwise write- "Dear Gopala, you too I thought kicked 
the bucket."
Gopalakrishan



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Re: [iyer123] From my Archives.....re World husband's day ....April..

2024-05-18 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Mr Rajaram,
I have responded to this posting. OK.
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 17 May, 2024 at 09:55:48 pm IST, Rama
wrote:

On World husband's day***Today is Husband Appreciation Day .Let us
keep 2 minutes silence and read some quotes of great personalities.
First quoteAfter marriage, husband and wife become two sides of a coin, they
just can’t face each other, but still they stay together.– Al Gore
A good wife always forgives her husband when she’s wrong.– Barack Obama
When you are in love, wonders happen. But once you get married, you wonder,
what happened.- Steve Jobs
And the best one is…
Marriage is a beautiful forest where Brave Lions are killed by Beautiful
Deers.- Brad Pitt
National Husband Appreciation Day !! Laughter Therapy
While getting married, most of the guys say to girl's parents, " I will keep
your daughter happy for the rest of her life ".
Have you ever heard a girl saying something like this to the boy's parents like
I will keep your son happy for the rest of his life
No ... because women don't tell lies!
-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
If wife wants husband’s attention, she just has to look sad and
uncomfortable.If husband wants wife’s attention, he just has to look
comfortable & happy.
-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
A Philosopher HUSBAND said:- Every WIFE is a ‘Mistress’ of her Husband…Miss”
for first year & “Stress” for rest of the life…
-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
Position of a husband is just like a Split AC, No matter how loud he is
outdoor, He is designed to remain silent indoor.
Share to make others smile...!
Laughter Works Like Medicine! All husbands cheer up... At least one day in a
year is dedicated to the helpless husbands ..! *視視視視視視

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Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Thoughts

2024-05-18 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram, 
My response is to previous day's thoughts. Do not mingle.Gopalakrishnan

On Saturday, 18 May, 2024 at 06:42:37 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 1    Yesterday I asked Manam velikka vazhiyunda as Bharathi wrote And today a 
soucham of Vedic quote:That's a wonderful perspective! Honesty indeed plays a 
crucial role in shaping our lives. It's the foundation upon which trust, 
integrity, and genuine connections are built. Cleansing ourselves physically, 
materially, and mentally is essential, but it's honesty that brings clarity and 
purity to our actions and interactions. And there is an adage: DOES ASS CAN 
SMELL KARPOORAM (CAMPHOR)? As quora cracks jokes published by him, he thought 
it as a joke; it needs levels to absorb. K Rajaram IRs 18524 
On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 00:54, Rama  wrote:

*You can clean your Body by bathing,**your  wealth by charity,**your Mind by 
tolerance,*
 *but it's Honesty that  makes your life pure.*
CheersRama
Thanks GK Ji
Sir,
Good quotes and humor to laugh for a few minutes till the wife note him reading 
and joining in reading. 

Gopalakrishnan. 




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Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] Sri Dhenupureeswarar Madambakkam-FORWARD

2024-05-18 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Thank you sir for reading my forward and additions. 
Why the entrance tower/gate is not completed is a puzzle. The reasoning told by 
many is Parantaka chola II, had to defend a war by the time, and further 
construction was not done. 

Unlike many other Siva temples, here the Perumal Sannithi is large, and Iyengar 
priests are performing pooja. There is a perumal prasadam stall to the left of 
the entrance, managed by iyengars. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Sunday, 19 May, 2024 at 06:24:55 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Goo done and some more:  Dhenupureeswarar got his name because he gave moksha 
to acow (Sanskrit: Dhenu). Sage Kapila is said to have been reborn as a cow for 
hissin of having improperly worshiped a Shiva lingam using his left hand. The 
cowcontinued to worship Shiva by pouring milk on a Shiva lingam buried in 
theground. The cowherd initially punished the cow for wasting the milk, but 
whenthe villagers unearthed the Shiva lingam, Shiva appeared and granted 
moksha(liberation) to Kapila and forgave the cowherd who had mistreated him. 
Legendhas it that the king had a dream of this occurrence at this site and had 
thetemple built to commemorate it.
Dhenupureeswarar's consort here is Dhenukambal. The mainbuilding of the temple, 
which contains the statue of Dhenupureeswara in lingaform, faces east and his 
consort faces south in a separate sanctum. The Shivalingam is Swayambhu 
Lingamor self-manifested Lingam.


It is an interesting story of how the temple wasdiscovered from its ruins. One 
of the Bhaktas approached Maha Periyava SriChandra Sekarendra Saraswathi 
Swamigal and sought His blessings for his newlybuilt home at Selaiyur. Maha 
Periyava blessed him, and told him that there isan old Shiva temple lying in 
ruins at a nearby village called Mambakkam. Inthose days, even Selaiyur was a 
distant suburb, and no one had heard ofMadambakkam, even in Selaiyur. The 
Bhakta gathered some more men, and went in search of the temple.They cleared 
the bushes near the agricultural fields, and found an astoundingtemple in Chola 
architecture. They renovated it, performed Kumbabishekam, andcommenced daily 
pujas. The temple is now attracting thousands of people fromnearby locations.

The temple was built between 956 and 973 CE during thereign of the Chola king, 
Parantaka Chola II, father of Raja Raja Chola I, whoconstructed the famous 
Brihadeeswarar Temple in Thanjavur. The main sanctum(Sanskrit: garbha griha), 
like some other Chola temples in and around Chennai,is apsidal in shape 
(Sanskrit: gaja prishta vimana) (also described as shapedlike the back of a 
sleeping elephant), unlike most Hindu shrines, which aresquare or rectangular. 
The temple is thought to have been consolidated withstones during the reign of 
Kulothunga Chola Well-preserved Chola sculptures andcarved pillar bases are 
present in and around both sanctums. A number of fineinscriptions and 
sculptures dating to the Vijayanagara Empire are alsopreserved.The temple is 
one of a number of sites that have been conserved andrestored under the 
auspices of the Archaeological Survey of India. Improvementsincluded removing 
the damaged thick weathering course (roof surface) of thefront mandapa and 
Amman Shrine and relaying with fresh weathering course. TheASI states that the 
temple has been declared a monument of national importanceunder the Ancient 
Monuments and Archaeological Sites and Remains (amendment andvalidation) 2010 
Act. 


The temple is a National Monuments Authority notifiedsite upon which 
construction is banned. Verses mentioning the temple from Arumainathan’s 
Tirupppugazhinscribed on the temple wall. The 15th century Tamil 
poetArunagirinathar's work contains a line mentioning the temple. A number 
ofreligious festivals are celebrated at the temple, including Pradosha, Panguni 
Uthiramand during Navratri, devotees visit to offer special pujas.  {Chitra 
Madhavan (26 September 2003)."Ancient Chola temple at Madambakkam". The Hindu. 
Archived from theoriginal on 6 December 2003. J. V. Siva Prasanna Kumar (3 
August 2012)."1,000-year-old Chola legacy draws devotees". The Asian Age.  
Rohini Ramakrishnan (22 June 2010)."Walking through history". The Hindu. 
Retrieved 24 July 2014. T.Ramakrishnan (2 October 2001). "Restoring past 
glory".}   K Rajaram IRS  19524 

On Sat, 18 May 2024 at 19:24, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 
 wrote:


SriDhenupureeswarar Madambakkam-FORWARD

 Dear friends,

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One of my junior Engineers while working at Namakkal came to visit me when he 
came to Trivandrum for a training to my residence quarters. 
 
It was a wonder to see him after many years, in 2002. He was working at  
Chennai at that time. 

 
After preliminary talks and coffee etc, when he was about to leave, my wife 
desired to search for a plot near him, since we like to settle in Chennai after 
my retirement. 

 
He took it very serious and found eight plots and called me to find out a 
suitable one among them. So we

Sri Dhenupureeswarar Madambakkam-FORWARD

2024-05-18 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


SriDhenupureeswarar Madambakkam-FORWARD

 Dear friends,

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One of my junior Engineers while working at Namakkal came to visit me when he 
came to Trivandrum for a training to my residence quarters. 
 
It was a wonder to see him after many years, in 2002. He was working at  
Chennai at that time. 

 
After preliminary talks and coffee etc, when he was about to leave, my wife 
desired to search for a plot near him, since we like to settle in Chennai after 
my retirement. 

 
He took it very serious and found eight plots and called me to find out a 
suitable one among them. So we came to Chennai,  selected a plot in Madampakkam 
and purchased with in a fortnight. 

 
After two years (after retirement) I constructed my home. I came to know the 
famous Madampakkam Siva temple is close to me, and visited at the earliest 
time. It is about    1.5 KM from my residence. 

 
The temple is under archeological survey of India. 

 
Gopalakrishnan 19-5-24.  
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1 Introduction
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 Madambakkam is well known for two importanttemples. One is the Sri 
Dhenupureeswarar temple, an ancient temple built duringthe Chola period, where 
one could find a Shivalinga (Swayambu) worshiped bySage Kapila, while he was in 
the form of a cow. Sage Kapila is said to have gotmoksha in this place. 


Another very interesting temple is the temple builtfor 18 siddhars and Sri 
Seshadri Swamigal built by one of his followers, a veryvibrant and peaceful 
place. 


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2 Sri Dhenupureeswarar Temple:  


The temple is in the suburbs ofChennai, nearly 10 kms from East Tambaram, in 
the Tambaram Vellachery road. Actually2.5 KM from Rajakilpakkam signal towards 
right. 


It is an astounding templeconstructed as a staggering proof of Chola 
architecture built during the 900 ADby Parantaka Chola. 


The Presiding deity as always isLord Shiva and He derived His name Sri 
Dhenupureeswarar as He had given mokshato a cow (Dhenu in Sanskrit), Sage 
Kapila was in the form of a cow.  


3 Legend related to thetemple:  


The legend relating to the templeis quite interesting. 


Once King Sagara performedAshwameda Yaga, for which he set loose his 
horse.(Ancestor of king Bhageeratha) His army and 60,000sons followed the same. 
Whichever kingdom the horse entered, the king rulingthat kingdom should either 
fight or yield his kingdom. 


Seeing the victorious King Sagara,Lord Sri Indra grew jealous and tied the 
horse to Sage Kapila's ashram. 


Sage Kapila, on seeing that thearmy of King Sagara, started waging a war 
against him, became furious and burntall the sons of King Sagara. Later on, he 
realized his mistake and meditated onLord Sri Shiva by holding the Shivalinga 
in his left hand. Since it is a sin tohold Shivalinga in the left hand he was 
cursed to be born as a cow. 
4 Sage Kapila attainsmoksha:  


Sage Kapila was now born as a cowin Madampakkam. He continued performing pooja 
to Lord Sri Shiva by showeringall his milk on a small bush. 


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One cowherd seeing that all hismilk was getting wasted daily at a particular 
place, grew wild withrage and started hitting the udder of the cow. The cow 
jumpedoff that place because of pain and revealed the Shivalinga buried 
beneaththe bush. 


A part of the Shivalinga was chiselled off whilethe cow jumped off in pain. The 
Shivalinga, thus found is LordSri Dhenupureeswarar, a Swayambu (Self 
Manifested) linga and the cuton the top is visible even today during 
Abhishegam. Lord Sri Shivaappeared before them and gave moksha to Sage Kapila. 


5 Constrction of temple 


Later on, Parantaka Chola,who had a vision of this temple, built the temple 
after finding the Shivalingain the temple tank. The temple tank is huge and is 
calledKapila Theertham. 

My note- The temple tank  is now medium only, fully renovated andfenced. It has 
more depth.  ( Opposite to  Tambaram corporation Madampakkam division office)
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Goddess Sri Dhenukambal isthe consort of Lord Sri Dhenupureeswarar in this 
temple. Thesculptures are exquisite and mind bloggling.  


6 Sarabeswarar 


There is a sculpture ofSarabeswarar on the pillar near the entrance. It is 
considered auspicious toperform puja to Sarabeswarar during Rahu Kalam on 
Sundays (4:30 to 6 pm). 


Sarabeshwarar Pooja on SundayRaghu kaalam is a much famous here. There will be 
big crowd on sundays in thistemple. People from different areas reach here for 
this pooja 


My note- It is a very thrillingexperience to attend pooja conducted under 
playing of drums with mantrasrecited in tune(samavedic reciting) 


7 Saint Arunagirinathar

 Saint Arunagirinather has sung a Tiruppugazh based on this temple. 


8. Deities 


All Gods have sanctum here. Siva,Ambal, Anjaneyar, pillaiyar , Perumal, 
Murugan, Durgai, Sarabeshwarar and navagrahas.


9General

Dhenupureeswarar temple is an oldSiva temple located at Madambakkam, East 
Tambaram. You have bus facilities,auto  & share auto from EastTambaram.. Lot of 
God statues are found in the pillars of this

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-18

2024-05-18 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty




CULTURAL QA 05-2024-18



All the BELOW  QA are from  Quora  digest to me  on  18-05-2024.

 Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers

.Compiledandposted by R. Gopala krishnan,  on 18-05-2024

Q1   Whatare the best strong short stories?

A1   Jubair Shamsi, Loves short stories. Updated8y

"Dad, how muchdo you earn in an hour?" asked 8-year old Rohan.

"Rs 1000,son", replied Kapil, his father. He never minded talking about money.

"Andmummy?" "Rs 1000 too."

"Wow, but Ineed Rs 1500." shot Rohan.

This was a shockerfor daddy. Rohan had all the things any 8-year-old could wish 
for. Xbox, latestPlaystation, all those expensive imported toys, you name it. 
The servants wereinstructed to act on every demand of his. Why would he ask for 
money? He hadnever done it before.

"Butwhy?", daddy was perplexed."Please, daddy. I'll tell you soon."

His wish wasgranted.

Rohan, happilydanced after taking the money. He took daddy to his room. He put 
his hand intohis Almirah and pulled out Rs 500, in crumpled notes.

Now he had Rs 2000.He handed them over to his father.

"Dad, this isyour and mummy's one-hour salary. Can you please come home an hour 
earlytomorrow night? It's my birthday, and I want us to have dinner 
together!Please"

 

EDIT: Getting goodresponse. Means that many people understand the grievances of 
children. Intoday's materialistic world, children can teach us a lot. Still 
lots of peopleneed to be shown the message: Please share guys, do your bit to 
createawareness.

'Pen is mightierthan sword'

My note- I have just addedthe QA for the reason, many times children will be 
happy spending time withparents. In India more than in 80% of families parents 
spend time withchildren. Only children leave parents, telling they have to 
study. 

Q2   Why isIndia's economy poor although it has so many youth?

A2   T.M. Gautham, Left Handed & RightMinded Updated 3y

Law of diminishingreturns is the answer!

There was a DosaStall in an office food court. The dosa stall had only one dosa 
master whocould make 60 tasty dosas in an hour.

The stall owner sawmany customers going to other stalls in the food court 
because the customershad to wait long for dosas as there was only one chef 
preparing dosas for somany customers. The owner hired one more dosa master so 
that 120 dosas can beprepared in a hour.

The move worked andthey produced 120 dosas per hour which halved the wait time. 
More customersstarted visiting the stall due to the low wait time.

As the number ofcustomers increased the waiting time increased despite having 2 
masters. Theowner now hired a third master so that 180 dosas can be prepared in 
an hour.

But the ownernoticed that only 150 dosas were prepared in an hour. He wanted to 
know whyonly 150 dosas were prepared in a hour with 3 chefs (50 dosas per chef) 
whilethey could prepare 120 dosas in an hour with 2 chefs (60 dosas per chef).

The dosa masterstold that the owner that now there are three masters, the dosa 
pan is not wideenough for three masters to prepare dosas at a time. They will 
need to buy onemore pan to accommodate the new chef.

This is the law ofdiminishing returns. In short it means that if we just 
increase one factor ofproduction keeping the others same, the output would 
become less efficient.

The dosa stallowner increased his labour but did not increase the capital 
(equipment).

Our country has alot of labour, but we do not have the best technology to use 
the labour toproduce stuff. We need to bring technology to our country and get 
training touse the technology and make quality stuff to get rich.

Having the biggestpool of youngsters is not something to boast unless we bring 
technology andcapital to our country and train them. In forty years they will 
turn intobiggest pool of senior citizens.

My note- An exampleis track inspection staff as reported by railway itself, I 
read elsewhere. There are lesser staff formanual hard work. Now the track 
inspection staff has to walk through toinspect the track. If some other method 
is there so that by sitting and riding,if the track can be detected for 
defects, more staff will join. Now most ofthem are old staff’s male children. 

Q3   Howcan domesticated animals change when in the wild?

A3   Keith H. Burgess, Living off grid ina forest10h

Domestic & farmanimals rarely have to fight for food, & they never have to 
search fortheir food. In the wild they can be attacked by other animals, some 
of theirown kind. Food is not readily available, so it has to be looked for. 
This leadsto damaged pastures, nest & bird destruction, livestock killings by 
feraldogs, even attacks on humans from feral dogs, cats & wild pigs. Feral 
goatsdo a lot of damage to native flora. Simply put, domestic animals become 
wildanimals when away from home, either temporarily away from home, or 
permanently.

The leastdestructive are deer, cattle & wild horses.

Q4   What’ssomething

18 Siddhar Temple/Siddhar Sakthi Peedam-FORWARD

2024-05-17 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

18Siddhar Temple/Siddhar Sakthi Peedam-FORWARD

Dear friends,

While reading about Kaka Bhushandi in a QA from Quora, Irecollected about 18
siddhar temple opposite to Dhenupureeswarar temple, Madampakkam. Thesetwo
temples are about 1.5 KMs from my residence. I have visited this siddhartemple
3-4 times. The guiding priests give us introduction of the siddhars. Inaddition
there is a temple. There is specific direction to visit thesakthipeetam and
temples. The following is the description obtained on Googlesearch and I hope
the same may be interesting.

Gopalakrishnan 18-5-2024.

1) Who is a Siddhar?

A "Siddhar" is supposed to be a “person who hasreached / realized the
ultimate". A person who has attained siddhi (ultimaterealization), out of his
own vigorous sadhana or practice. A person who hasmastered the ashtama
siddhigal (அஷ்டமாசித்திகள், 8 powerful practices).

These persons may appear veryabnormal to a common man. They are completely out
of worldly desires.They use their power only to serve the human race. There are
many many"Siddha Purushas" all around the world.

2)18 SiddharTemple/Siddhar Sakthi Peedam:

The 18 most well-known siddha purusha's who have served thepeople are
considered as pathinen siddhar (பதினெண் சித்தர்கள் ).

Mr KVLN Sharma, a devotee of Sri Seshadri Swamigal (aprominent Siddhar),
constructed this 18 siddhar temple at Madambakkam,according to the instructions
he had obtained from his guru, Sri SeshadriSwamigal.

This temple is a very vibrant one, and is also considered asone of the
Navagraha Parihara sthalam. Those whoare unable to visit the Navagraha temple
at Kumbakonam, can pray at this templeto get their doshams (problems caused by
the Navagrahas) got rectified. Evenotherwise, the place is so lively that one
could feel a surge of emotionsoverflowing with joy, seeing such revered
siddhas. If only, they could lead usinto the right path, so that at least in
one of the future births, we wouldthink about reaching the ultimate! Hope their
presence and guidance wouldalways be there with us!

3) Adi SakthiPeedam-Balalayam: This temple is before the Sri Dhenupureeswarar
temple. A devotee visiting thesiddhar temple, has to first visit this Balalayam
also known as Adhi SakthiPeetam. In the centre of this hall, is the Sannidhi of
Sadhguru Seshadriswamigal.

It is believed that this place has the jyothi form of all the18 Siddhas as
Jeeva Sakthi and hence has to be worshiped before visiting themain shrine.

4) Other idols :

The other idols in this hall according to the order ofworship are Sakthi Peeta
Ganapathy, where people worship by offering coconuts.Other sannidhi's are that
of Lord SriNagarajar and Sri Sakthivel, Sannidhi of Sadhguru Seshadriswamigal
and HisSukshma Medai, where devotees can bow down by placing their palms over
the daisand Arupa Lakshmi, similar to the one at Kanchi Kamakshi temple. On the
way tothe main shrine is the small shrine of Sulini Durga and Jada
Muneeswarar.Though the temple is relatively small, the idol of Sulini Durga is
quite huge.

5) Sri Chakra Mahameru& pathiNen(18) Siddhar temple:

The temple is one of its kinds in the world. This is thefirst ever Brindavanam
constructed for 18 siddhars and first ever Mahamerutemple constructed out of a
green granite built as per the guidance of SathguruSeshadri Swamigal merging
the powers Sakthi and the incredible wisdom of the 18Siddha Purushas.

On entering the main shrine, a board depicting the order of worship is put up.
Asper the instructions we walk down the long corridor and first have a darshan
ofLord Sri Sundara Ganapathy and Lord Sri Subramanian. We then have darshan
ofGoddess Sri Lalitha Tirupurasundari in the form of Maha Meru (Representation
ofGoddess , a 3D pyramid shaped with many tiers.) made out of a single
greengranite. Sri Chakra Maha Meru at this temple represents the Shiva and
Sakthiform (சிவசக்தி ஐக்கியம் ) andalso the five elements. It gives immense
peace of mind on having a darshan ofGoddess Sri Lalitha Tirupurasundari.

6) Sathguru SeshadriSwamigal

A huge idol of Mahan Sathguru Seshadri Swamigal is foundadjacent to Goddess Sri
Lalitha Tirupurasundari temple. Sadhguru Sri SeshadriSwamigal was a yogi and
mystic who lived in 19th Century. He was born atKanchipuram and attained siddhi
at Tiruvannamalai. He has performed manymiracles at Tiruvannamalai and has
served the mankind in various ways. He wasknown as a "Saint with golden hand".
He cured the illness of many peoplewith his magical touch. As mentioned earlier
this temple was constructed as perHis (Seshadri Swamigal's) instructions and
guidance. There is enough space infront of the shrine that one can sit before
the shrine and can meditate.

7) Pathinen siddhars(18 Siddhars)

18 Siddhar Sannidhis: Separate sanctum for each of 18 SiddhaPurushas are
constructed at this temple. Every sanctum appears very natural,real and
vibrant. For those interested in Pariharas, everytwo

kicking the bucket -reg

2024-05-17 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Mr Rajaram,
You should not use such words as Kicking the bucket at others. It shows your 
low profile. Perhaps you may kick the bucket earlier if you  write so. If you 
believe, believe me. Otherwise write- "Dear Gopala, you too I thought kicked 
the bucket."
Gopalakrishan

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Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] PERIVAA's Technical knowledge

2024-05-17 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
I know about my base and whether it shakes or not. You get cautioned about your 
base. You are not FIT to provide titles for me. Are you not  having any  other 
job than writing like this? There is a saying in Tamil-" Velayillatha ambittan 
poonaye chorachanam". This saying 100% fit for you. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 17 May, 2024 at 08:15:44 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Gopala you write "in the way I assumed"; ARE YOU SO QUALIFIED TO MAKE 
ASSUMPTIONS AND ALL?; You foundation itself is shaky as taittiriya sanskrit 
verses; and when exposed out of shame  started the Goabel blabberings. How 
nicely the title Goabel and L K G fits you?  KR  IRS 17524
On Fri, 17 May 2024 at 08:48, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:

 Dear friends,
Really, Mr Rajaram has responded in the manner, I assumed. Finally he has made 
a point of doubt.

"And yes whether the write up can be backed up by the writer alone is the index 
of genuinity; not writing something from some urchin as from Taittiriya 
upanishad Guru vandanam and after the production of the book remaining silent. 
This is around 2012 and may sewe the youtube video also:  
https://youtu.be/zMxOYD7gwQM   KR IRS 17524"
Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 17 May, 2024 at 07:09:14 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Mr VG Nice one. Gopala is blank about everything. Every objective writing will 
have a source. Source is not a criteria for a genuine write up. Whether the 
source is genuine must be verified. Dr S Kalyanaraman to  many in the group 
including myself are well known. And out of many bhaktas he is also a devotee 
of his thatha since. Memory is a GOD gift. Retention is a GOD gift. Reading or 
scanning once and absorption is a god's gift. And knowledge of many subjects 
are remarkable, generally too many sanyasis including MahaPeriyava , Jayendra 
and Vijayendra also. Gnanam kai varap perin Galam karudiyirupparo? is the word. 
He was able to remember my ancestral home at 108 Solayappan st Kumbakonam. He 
was discussing with me on short term and Long term capital gains in depth; 
Jayendra was asking about NRI taxation; Vijayendra can and did discuss over a 
physics formula. And yes whether the write up can be backed up by the writer 
alone is the index of genuinity; not writing something from some urchin as from 
Taittiriya upanishad Guru vandanam and after the production of the book 
remaining silent. This is around 2012 and may sewe the youtube video also:  
Experience with Mahaperiyava - Dr Kalyanaraman   KR IRS 17524

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 at 01:23, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty 
 wrote:

 Sir,
I wait for the response of the  member Mr Rajaram. If I post , he will say all 
these are bogus. You verify with matam. There is no date in the 
messageGopalakrishnan

On Friday, 17 May, 2024 at 11:47:34 am IST, 'venkat giri' via iyer123 
 wrote:  
 
 Respected Sir/s,Experiences with Maha Periyava: Periyava's super memory and 
knowledgeThis story was related to me by one of my patients from Coimbatore. 
Sometime in the 1960s when Maha Periyaval visited Coimbatore, this gentleman 
offered poornakumbham as Periyaval came along the road. He told the 
Paramacharya “Periyaval may not remember but on the same road thirty years ago 
my father too offered poornakumbam to you when you came. Maha Periyaval said 
“Yes, but were you not living in the opposite house at that time, and not in 
the present house?” For such a memory, the word superhuman is an 
understatement.Once by accident we overheard a history and geography lesson at 
Kurnool. We were standing outside one of the huts of the Mutt camp and could 
faintly hear a teacher giving lot of details about the people, history, 
religion, languages, customs and livelihood of the inhabitants of Cambodia and 
Thailand. We presumed that probably one of the Vedic teachers was coaching his 
son studying in high school. A few minutes later Maha Periyaval came out of the 
hut, and we learnt that He had been talking to Bala Periyaval who had been 
initiated into sanyasa just a few days earlier. We marvelled at the extensive 
knowledge of Maha Periyaval in so many different fields. MahaPeriyaval’s wide 
knowledge and deep understanding of many subjects was phenomenal. Once when He 
was camping at Sivasthanam near Kancheepuram, we had gone there for darshanam. 
One devotee came and submitted a short printed summary of a Physics 
dissertation. He said he would be submitting the thesis to the Madras 
University shortly and prayed for Periyaval’s blessings for the PhD degree. It 
was a highly technical subject. Maha Periyaval went through the booklet of 
about twenty pages rapidly for a few minutes and put it aside and gave him 
prasadam. After some time when the devotee had gone away, He turned to me.His 
Holiness: “You take this booklet, go to that t

Re: [iyer123] மயிலையே…. கயிலை

2024-05-17 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

New information about 7. Mr Siva subramoniam, Perinkulam is still a member in
iyer 123 group, but not active. Mostly he is in USA. When google groups
started he appeared for about a week.Gopalakrishnan

On Friday, 17 May, 2024 at 08:54:10 pm IST, 'venkat giri' via iyer123
wrote:

Respected Sir/s,

SUBJECT: MYLAPORE.. மயிலையே…. கயிலை

KAPALEESWARAR Temple is one of the most famoustemples of Chennai. The original
temple was builtby TULUVA dynasty in (1491–1570 CE). After destruction of the
temple bythe Portuguese, the temple was reconstructed in the16th century. The
main deity of the temple is Lord SHIVA. The temple exhibits exquisite Dravidian
architecture.

MAYIL means Peacock. Peacocks are said to bebeautiful, this place is beautiful!

மயில், ஆர்ப்பு, ஊர் என்பதே மயிலாப்பூர் என்றானதாம்!

It means aplace where peacocks abound. It can also be said that it is the town
where thepeacocks cheered.

Kapaleeshwarartemple is one of the ancient temples supposed to be built in
7th century AD andis right in the heart of Chennai. The temple stands
magnificently as atestimony of the ancient heritage braving the test of time
all thru' the years.

Kapaleeshwarar temple has the deities- Kapaleeshwarar and Karpagambal who are
the incarnations of Shiva andParvathi. As with other ancient temples, this
temple is also associated with amythological story of how Parvathi was born as
a peacock and got reunited withShiva after worshipping him under the Punnai
tree which is still present in thetemple. This temple is sung by the famous
Thirugnaanasambandhar andhence it is considered to be a kshethram (where
thedivine grace can be felt)

Mayurapuri and Mayuranagari are described in great legend about this
place. Parvati Devi came as a peacock and worshipedLord Shiva at this
magnificent shrine. Hence Mayurapuri is called MAYILAI.

This is the place where Somukasura once stole the Vedasfrom Brahma and hid
them deep under the sea. Lord Brahma requested Lord Vishnu toget back the lost
Vedas. Lord Vishnu took the form of a fish, the Matsya Avatar, and
killedSomakasura under the sea. Hence the name of Maylapore as Vedapuri in
Purana.

Shukracharya used to worship the Sivalingathirumeni here daily and did penance.
Thus the shrine received Lord Shiva andhad the privilege of seeing Lord Shiva's
holy vision. Therefore, Sthala Puranasays that Mylapore was also known as
Shukrapuri!

The connection between seven and the peacock!

In general, the number seven has close associations withHinduism. They
are called seven births. They are called seven sacred rivers.They describe
music as seven notes. Sabta sages are given importance in Purana.

Near Thanjavur there are Saptha Sthana Sthalas.Similarly there are Sapta
Mangai shrines. The places inhabited by Thiagarajasin and around Tiruvarur are
revered as Saptha Vidanga places(நடனத்தை அடிப்படையாகக் கொண்ட வழிபாட்டுத்
தலங்கள்)

Likewise, Seven has many connections with the place of
Mylapore.Srikabaleeswarar, Srivelleeswarar, Srikaraneeswarar,
Srimalleeswarar,Srivirupaksheeswarar, Srivaleeswarar, Theerthapaleeswarar are
located here. All these sevenShiva temples are side by side. These temples can
be visited in one day itself and itis believed that by this, all problems could
get resolved! . It is also a myththat can get salvation! Due to the fact
that it is a place of such a PRIDE , this shrine is known asKailaiye Mailai,
Mailaiye Kailai. This means Mylapore is equivalent to TIRUKAILAYAM! "Kailai is
Mayilai and Mayilaiis Kayilai" is what is written on the historical temple
gopuram at Mylapore,Chennai. True to the statement, it is considered equivalent
of visiting KAILASAM.

Similarly there are seven Perumal temples in Mylapore. There are
sevenThirukulams(PONDS) including the Thirukulam near the Mylapore Temple.
Maylaporehas seven Theerthas namely Kabali Theertha, Veda Theertha, Vaali
Theertha,Ganga Theertha, Villi Theertha, Kaala Theertha (called God Theertha)
and RamaTheertha.⁠⁠

Courtesy: SivasubramanianPerinkulam

Regards

V.Sridharan

Trichy

Husband's day

2024-05-17 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Sir,
Good quotes and humor to laugh for a few minutes till the wife note him reading 
and joining in reading. 

Gopalakrishnan. 

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CULTURAL QA 05-2024-17

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CULTURAL QA 05-2024-17

All the BELOW  QA are from  Quora  digest to me  on  17-05-2024.

 Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers

.Compiledandposted by R. Gopala krishnan,  on 17-05-2024

Q1 What's the best life advice thatsomeone gave you?

A1 JyotikrishnaN J, (House surgeon, Bellary medical 
college),Updated 3y

Don't go anywhere , to anyone for seeking advice .Just sit in your home ,order 
Bhagavadgita from Amazon or Flipkart or fromanywhere you find it and start 
reading it. It's very affordable for anyindividual. Reminding you ,it's not a 
book applicable to only one particularreligion. There was no proper concept of 
religion when Gita was written. It's aholy book for the mankind. Gita provides 
you divine knowledge and enlightenmentto lead your life.

Best life advices from Gita , from each chapter.

    Wrongthinking is the only problem in life

    Rightknowledge is the ultimate solution to all problems

    Selflessnessis the only way to progress and prosperity

    Every actcan be an act of prayer

    Renounce theego of individuality and rejoice in the bliss of infinity.

    Connect tothe higher consciousness daily.

    Live whatyou learn.

    Never giveup on yourself.

    Value yourblessings.

    See divintyall around.

    Have enoughsurrender to see the truth as it is.

    Absorb yourheart and mind in the supreme Lord.

    Detach fromMaya and attach to divine.

    Live alifestyle that matches your vision.

    Givepriority to divinity.

    Being goodis a reward in itself.

    Choosing theright over pleasant is a sign of power..

    Let's go ,let'smove , let's move to Union with god.

These are very simple to read over here but areabsolutely hard initially to 
adapt. Your life will have new dimension afteryour start inculcating values 
from “BHAGAVADGITA”

Q2 What is the origin of the phrase"black sheep"? Is it considered 
offensive to use this term?

A2 ClaireJordan, Worked at National Health Service (NHS)23h

Breeds of sheep which are usually white sometimesproduce “black” (usually 
actually dark brown) individuals.

In the past, when dyeing was quite a complex andexpensive process, farmers 
wanted their sheeps’ wool to be as white as possiblebecause it took dye better 
and so was worth more. A black sheep was adisappointment because its wool was 
less valuable than expected.

>From there, “black sheep” came to mean a member of afamily who was a 
>disappointment - probably one who was a criminal or a drunk orotherwise seen 
>as a disgrace to the family.

Nowadays, of course, dyes are plentiful and cheap, andclothes made with 
all-natural-coloured wool are seen as more sophisticated.

That’s undyed wool, just as it came off the sheep.Multicoloured breeds of 
sheep, such as the four-horned, skewbald Jacob’s sheep,whose wool may be white 
or cream or beige or grey or brown, are now highlyvalued. 

My note- While adding this QA, I was thinkingof response by our member- Mr. 
Rajaram. I am sure he will respond- There areTHREE BLACK SHEEP  in our groups. 
I amunable to resist adding this note. 

Q3 What are some good jokes aboutreligion?

A3 DebjyotiBardhan,  Works in Tata institute of 
fundamentalresearch, 10y

A boy in Jerusalem sees a pious Jew pray vigorously infront of a wall, 
considered to be holy. He sees the man pray everyday, nevermissing a prayer. He 
sees the man for months on end, praying with the samedevotion.

Finally, he gathers enough courage and goes up to theguy and asks him what he 
prays for. The person replies that he prays for peacein the world, and 
especially in the The Middle East. He prays so that everyonecan be happy. The 
boy asks him, "So how has it been? Does God listen toyou?" And the guy replies, 
"Naah, it's like talking to a wall!"

I have tocredit Christopher Hitchens (author, journalist) for this one:

A Buddhist monk goes to a hotdog vendor and orders ahotdog. The vendor asks him 
how he wants it and he says "Make me One withEverything."

The hotdog guy gives him the hotdog and the monk giveshim a $10 note. He 
munches on the hotdog, waiting for the change. The changedoesn't arrive. 
Finally, he asks the hotdog guy about the change. The guyreplies "Change comes 
from Within.

Q4 Can you tell about Kakabhushundiand  relation to our  feeding 
crows with annam? 

A4 TejashviYadav( नौवीं फेल),Former Mechanical Engineer at Indian 
Railways22h

Kagabhushundi, who appears in the form of a crow,was a great devotee of Lord 
Sri Rama and had the boon of being able totranscend time and space, i.e. he 
could see what had happened in the past andwhat would happen in the future.

And can see the cycle of development and destructionof time.

So, he had seenMahabharata 11 times and Ramayana 16 times, that too before 
Ramayana waswritten by Valmikiji and Mahabharata by Veda Vyasaji, because he 
was a crow inhis previous life and when Lord Shankar was narrating

Re: [iyer123] PERIVAA's Technical knowledge

2024-05-17 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Sir,
I wait for the response of the member Mr Rajaram. If I post , he will say all
these are bogus. You verify with matam. There is no date in the
messageGopalakrishnan

On Friday, 17 May, 2024 at 11:47:34 am IST, 'venkat giri' via iyer123
wrote:

Respected Sir/s,Experiences with Maha Periyava: Periyava's super memory and
knowledgeThis story was related to me by one of my patients from Coimbatore.
Sometime in the 1960s when Maha Periyaval visited Coimbatore, this gentleman
offered poornakumbham as Periyaval came along the road. He told the
Paramacharya “Periyaval may not remember but on the same road thirty years ago
my father too offered poornakumbam to you when you came. Maha Periyaval said
“Yes, but were you not living in the opposite house at that time, and not in
the present house?” For such a memory, the word superhuman is an
understatement.Once by accident we overheard a history and geography lesson at
Kurnool. We were standing outside one of the huts of the Mutt camp and could
faintly hear a teacher giving lot of details about the people, history,
religion, languages, customs and livelihood of the inhabitants of Cambodia and
Thailand. We presumed that probably one of the Vedic teachers was coaching his
son studying in high school. A few minutes later Maha Periyaval came out of the
hut, and we learnt that He had been talking to Bala Periyaval who had been
initiated into sanyasa just a few days earlier. We marvelled at the extensive
knowledge of Maha Periyaval in so many different fields. MahaPeriyaval’s wide
knowledge and deep understanding of many subjects was phenomenal. Once when He
was camping at Sivasthanam near Kancheepuram, we had gone there for darshanam.
One devotee came and submitted a short printed summary of a Physics
dissertation. He said he would be submitting the thesis to the Madras
University shortly and prayed for Periyaval’s blessings for the PhD degree. It
was a highly technical subject. Maha Periyaval went through the booklet of
about twenty pages rapidly for a few minutes and put it aside and gave him
prasadam. After some time when the devotee had gone away, He turned to me.His
Holiness: “You take this booklet, go to that tree’s shade, sit down there,
study it carefully and then come back and tell me the gist of it”.I took the
booklet and spent nearly half an hour over it. I came back to Maha
Periyaval.His Holiness: Have you studied and understood it.I replied: Yes.His
Holiness: “Then tell me what it is all about”.I began to explain. After two or
three minutes Maha Periyaval interrupted me.His Holiness: “I do not agree with
what you say. Are not the two statements in the second para on the first page
and the first para on the fourth page contradictory to each other? Go and read
it again”.I was thunderstruck. I took the booklet to the shade of the tree
again and read through it. I found that what Maha Periyaval said was absolutely
correct. What discrepancy I could not find out in a scientific dissertation
after studying it for half an hour, Maha Periyaval had detected in a couple of
minutes in the midst of giving darshanam to several devotees!I realized He was
only testing me and may be very gently pricking the bubble of my ego!Author:
Prof S.Kalyanaraman, Neurosurgeon , Chennai

Iyengar- ஐயங்கார்-

2024-05-16 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

Iyengar- ஐயங்கார்-

>From Wikipedia-Compiled and Forwarded

1 Introduction

Iyengars (also spelt Ayyangar or Aiyengar, pronounced are anethno-religious
community of Tamil-speaking Hindu Brahmins, whose membersfollow Sri Vaishnavism
and the Visishtadvaita philosophy propounded by Ramanuja.Found mostly in the
Southern Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, and AndhraPradesh, Iyengars
are divided into two denominations, the Vadakalai and theTenkalai. The
community belongs to the Pancha Dravida Brahmana classificationof Brahmins in
India.

2 Etymology

There are several opinions regarding the etymology of theterm Iyengar, which is
the anglicized form of the Dravidian word Aiyaṅgār.

One is that it derives from the Proto-Dravidian wordayya-gāru, which became
Ayyangāru (Tamil: அய்யங்காரு), and later Ayengar. The term ayya isthe Tamil
equivalent of the Sanskrit word ārya, आर्य) which in Sanskrit means noble
Gārurefers to a form of the Pali term gārava, and later gaurava, meaning
respect oresteem.

Another is that the word ayyangār was first used by KandhādaiRamanuja Ayyangār
of Tirupati, around 1450 CE.

3 History

The Iyengar community traces its philosophical origins to Nathamuni, the first
SriVaishnava acharya, who lived around 900 CE. He is traditionally believed
tohave collected the 4,000 works of Nammalvar and other alvars, the
poet-saintsof Southern India who were intensely devoted to Vishnu on both an
emotional andintellectual plane. The belief is that he set this collection -
commonly calledthe Tamil Prabhandams - to music, and he introduced the
devotional hymns of thealvars into worship, thus mixing their Tamil Veda with
the traditional Vedaswritten in Sanskrit.

A scriptural equivalence was accepted by the community thatformed from his
works. The Sanskrit texts are considered to be metaphysicaltruth and the Tamil
oral variants to be based on human experience of the same.This community became
immersed in the dual-language worship in temples where issuesof varna were of
no concern.

A century or so later, Ramanuja became the principal amongstreligious leaders
who formalized the efforts of Nathamuni as a theology.Ramanuja developed the
philosophy of Visishtadvaita and is described by HaroldCoward as "the founding
interpreter of Sri Vaisnavite scripture,"while Anne Overzee says that he was a
collator and interpreter rather than anoriginal thinker. Although showing
originality in his method of synthesizingthe Tamil and Sanskrit sources,
Ranjeeta Dutta said that the two sets ofsources "continued to be parallel to
each other and notincorporative" at this time.

Nathamuni and Ramanujawere both Brahmins,while Nammalvar was of the Vellala
community. All three men were Tamils,although Ramanuja documented his thoughts
in Sanskrit.

4 Schism

Ramanuja was initially a proponent of the traditional bhaktiphilosophy that
demanded adherents have a good command of Sanskrit texts and aritualized
approach to life and devotion. This outlook marginalized women andmembers of
the Shudra Varna because they were barred from learning the SanskritVedas.
Ramanuja later changed his position and became more receptive to a
moreinclusive theory. His metaphorical devices suggested that devotion
throughritual "earned" salvation but also that salvation was given throughthe
grace of God. Subsequently, sometime around the fourteenth century, the Iyengar
community dividedinto two sects. Both sects maintained a reverence for his
works but wereincreasingly divided due to the doctrinal uncertainties evident
in them.

The Vadakalai sect is referred to as the "Northern"culture or school, and the
Tenkalai sect is the "Southern" culture orschool. These cultures reference the
perceived prominence given by the sects tothe terse style of Sanskrit
traditions and the lyrical Tamil Prabhandams,respectively. S. M. Srinivasa
Chari believes this linguistic differentiation tobe overstated. TheVadakalai
favour Vedanta Desika as their acharya and the Tenkalai preferinstead the
teachings of Manavala Mamuni. Chari notes that the sectsshare a common
allegiance to Nammalvar and Ramanuja. and that their subsequentsignificant
thinkers "wholly accepted the authority and importance"of both linguistic
styles. Harold Schiffman says that the linguistic schismreflects wider
underlying doctrinal differences between the populist southernschool and the
social conservatism of the north, with Tamil historically beinga language
understood by the masses while Sanskrit was elitist and"caste-bound".

Vedic philosophy holds that the supreme goal in life is toattain the blissful
state of Brahman through moksha, being the process ofliberation of the
suffering soul from the cycle of reincarnation. Althougheighteen points of
difference between the two Iyengar sects are generallyrecognised, being
referred to as the ashtadasa bhedas, most of these are minor.Abraham Eraly
describes a principal difference, being their views

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] PITU GOTRA part 12 KR IRS 11524 12524

2024-05-16 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 You know only to turn the table, not understanding things. I give 
upGopalakrishnan

On Thursday, 16 May, 2024 at 09:25:09 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Very correct Gopalakrishnan. You will not be blessed now because of your evil 
mind with all cruelty. You have to forgo such things.Hence only I prayed for a 
kind blessing for you also but it does not seem to happen; sorry. K Rajaram IRS 
16524

On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 23:39, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers 
 wrote:

 Very correct Mr Rajaram. You will not be blessed now because of your evil mind 
with all cruelty. You have to forgo such things. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Thursday, 16 May, 2024 at 08:19:58 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Only you shall be blessed to sustain your balance of mind Mr Gopala  KR
On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 18:11, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram,
I agree you are expert in copy paste of what I wrote with small changes. No 
originality. 
Be a good member cultured and civilized. Nothing more. Let the Namakkal 
Anjaneyar whose idol with full vatamalai bless  you with good qualities now 
onGopalakrishnan. 

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 11:16:07 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 My dear Gopala @L K GIt is late already. Go and see a good doctor. Call Your L 
K G son and L K G son in law  for help. If not called already call your wife , 
daughter and other relations L K G. They will chain you in the left leg. You 
are a fool. Are you not ashamed to say You were a BSNL supervisor?. Hell with 
you. I have decency. So I am giving copies to the groups and friends. Foolish 
fellow  Gopalakrishnan  Bye K R IRS 15524
On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 12:19, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram, 

It is late already. Go and see a good doctor. Call Your L K G son and L K G son 
in law  for help. If not called already call your wife , daughter and other 
relations L K G. They will chain you in the left leg. You are a fool. Are you 
not ashamed to say You were an IRS. Hell with you. I have decency. So I am not 
giving copies to the groups and friends. Foolish fellow.Gopalakrishnan


On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 09:34:28 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 I had already addressed you and your relations KR
On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 10:08, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram, don't test my patience. Address your son, daughter and son in law 
as LKG.There is an upper limit of my patience. Keep decorum in the 
group.Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 08:00:36 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 OK  Lost  Knowhow  Gopala the L k G  KR IRS 15524
On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 23:31, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 
 wrote:

 Mr Rajaram,
I wrote earlier also not to react, but respond.  It is very clear, Mr Rajaram, 
you are mentally deranged. You write as if the boss, not me. I know about my 
knowledge, but I do not trumpet in public. 

I know very well, except the recent 2-3 mails from Mr Bala N iyer and Mr Madras 
Sivaraman, appreciating the copy paste  information, no positive response is 
received by you. 

You write  a lot of lies, call others L K G, supervisor etc, because of your 
inferiority complex. 

I stop with this. I know you have no answers to the mistakes made by you.  You 
will not regret or accept mistakes.  
Better Keep quiet.
Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 07:55:48 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Who are you?; a mad cap? mentally deranged? helpless hazard?; speak as if you 
are the boss of the regime. Stupid I said your content will be sifted with 
evidence unlike you. . Your fool's paradise I shall not bother. You are rolling 
over matters as neither the beginning nor the end is known to you or understood 
by you. I know you are L K G  Expand it. Who are you? Why should I send you? 
Only because of you they are writing personally. Your imbalance was also 
written to me . If you wish, keep shouting from the top of your head. KR IRS  
14524
On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 21:02, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram, 

Very correct. You need not reply to a response. Also, remember you need not 
respond to each and every mails of others always with criticism. I have no 
inferiority complex. Mostly  it is  with you.
1. Many members write to you personally is a BOGUS  reply. At least publish  
two responses to this mail sent to you personally to prove the truthfulness of 
your reply.You are expert in furnishing bogus statements. 

2. Answer to the point. Don't beat around the bush if you are not having an 
answer. Accept true statements.
3. You have not written anywhere in the posting about other tharpanams. If so 
reproduce it. I have read carefully and responded. Accept your mistake.  
You have added a new point- Nithya srardham. I agree to it.

You may consult a good sasthrikal about srardha to mother. It is performed only 
in Gaya. Sasthrikals there specifically announce it. You were not careful if 
you performed Gaya srardha. Your knowledge is VERY

Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: PITU GOTRA PART 15 KR IRS 14524 15524 to be contd

2024-05-16 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Thank you Mr Rajaram. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Thursday, 16 May, 2024 at 09:28:41 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello I have my way of doing it as I refer to a lot of media , my archives and 
books I have wrt the Brahmanas; if you wish you may do so as you wish sir KR 
IRS 16524
On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 00:01, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram,
No reply is  seen from you for this response. Are you going to post more about 
Iyengars? It appears what you posted is brief and incomplete. Please expedite 
your reply.
I have got more information to post. If you do not respond to this mail, I will 
be posting the descriptive information. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 10:43:41 am IST, gopala krishnan 
 wrote:  
 
  Dear Mr Rajaram,
I read with interest this forward. Especially about iyengar. Will you continue 
more about Iyengars in the next posting since what is covered in this forward 
appears incomplete? 

Gopalakrishnan


On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 07:49:14 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 

-- Forwarded message -
From: Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 at 20:44
Subject: PITU GOTRA PART 15 KR IRS 14524 15524 to be contd
To: Ranganathan , Vanakkam Subbu 
, Chittanandam V R , YM 
, Dr Sundar , Venkat Raman 
, Ravi mahajan , Mani APS 
, Venkat Giri , SRIRAMAJAYAM 
, Rama , Rangarajan T.N.C. 
, Mathangi K. Kumar , 
Srinivasan Sridharan , Gopala Krishnan 
, Kerala Iyer , Sanathana 
group , thatha patty 
, Jambunathan Iyer 



PITU GOTRA PART 15 KR IRS  14524 15524 to be contd


i) Niyogi Brahmins : Niyogi Brahmins are those Brahminswho took up various 
secular vocations including military activities and gave upreligious vocation, 
especially the priesthood.  Niyogi Brahmins depend andemphasize on modern 
education.  They were ministers in the courts of kingsand feudatories. Many of 
them were village accountants/clerks, karanams (Andhra)or patwaris (Telangana), 
until recently. The Niyogis areconsidered to be eligible for priestly service.  
But they will nevereither accept a religious gift or partake of Sraaddha 
food(food given to Brahmins duiring the death related rituals). According 
toJogendranath Bhattacharya16e,Niyogi name is derived from Yoga, which means 
religious contemplation ormeditation, as opposed to Yaga, which means religious 
sacrifice. Niyogin inSanskrit also means "employed" or "appointed" 
andaccordingly, it is probable that they are so-called because they accept 
secularemployment.
They were very rich and influential. Legendary Rayamantri belongs to thisgroup. 
 Niyogi Brahmins include eminent personalities like VeeresalingamKandukuri, 
Radhakrishnan Sarvepalli, Venkatgiri Varahagiri, KL Rao, PrakasamTanguturi, 
Venkatanarasimharao Pamulaparti (PV), General K. V. Krishnarao etc.  PV was the 
only Brahmin Chief Minister (1971-72) of Andhra Pradesh andalso the only Telugu 
Brahmin Prime Minister (1991-1996) from South India whoruled the modern Indian 
Union. Over the past millennium the Niyogi Brahmins aredivided further into 
various groups:
    a) Pradhamasakha (First Branch) Niyogi Brahmins
    b) Aruvela Niyogi
    c)  Nandavarika Niyogi
    d)  Karanakamma Niyogi
    e)  Velanati Niyogi
    f)  Telaganya Niyogi
    g)  Dravida Niyogi
    h)  Karanalu
    i)  Sristikaranalu or Sistukaranalu or Sistakaranalu.
    j)  Kasalanati Niyogi
    k)  Pakanati Niyogi.  
   a)Pradhamasakha Niyogi Brahmins: This caste belongs to Sukla (white) 
YajurvedaSchool, while majority of Brahmins in Andhra Pradesh belongto krishna 
(black) Yajurveda School.  In Maharashtra alsothere is a group of Brahmins 
called Pradhamasakha Brahmins.  ThePradhamasakha Niyogi Brahmins are further 
divided intobranches such as Vajasaneyulu,  Saivulu, Yajnavalkyulu and Kanvulu.
b)  Aruvela Niyogi: AruvelaNiyogi group is the largest Niyogi group.   They 
belong to KrishnaYajurveda School. According to some, the word "Aruvela"is 
derived from 6000 (Aruvelu) villages in velanadu area of AndhraPradesh.  Some 
believe that Arvelanadu is an alternate name for Velanduand hence the Niyogi 
Brahmins of that region are Arvela Niyogis. AruvelaNioyogi Brahmins are 
political, worldly-wise, and business minded.  Theywere ministers in the courts 
of kings and feudatories, and clerks andaccountants (Karanalu).  Pamulaparti 
family belongs to Aruvela NiyogiBrahmins. 
 c)  Nandavarika Niyogi
d)  Karanakamma Niyogi
e)  Velanati Niyogi
f)  Telaganya Niyogi
g)  Dravida Niyogi
h)  Karanalu
i)  Sristikaranalu orSistukaranalu or Sistakaranalu: These are teachers, 
officials, villageaccountants (karanam).  They are mostly located in Ganjam and 
Visakhadistricts.  Famous poet Krishnamurthy Sistu belongs to this group 
ofBrahmins.
j)  Kasalanati Niyogi
k) Pakanati Niyogi  
ii) Vaidikulu (Vaidiki Brahmins): Vaidiki Brahmins are thoseBrahmins who 
practice mainly religious vocation performing various religiousactivities, in 
addition to

Re: [iyer123] Our life style

2024-05-16 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Satirical Good forward sirGopalakrishnan


On Thursday, 16 May, 2024 at 09:55:40 pm IST, Rama  
wrote:  
 
 Pleasant reading .**
*என்னத்த சொல்ல?..*
இடது பக்கமாக படுங்க என்றார் ஒருவர்.படுத்தேன்.
வலது பக்கமாக படுங்க என்றார் இன்னொருவர் படுத்தேன்.
குப்புற படுக்காதீங்க என்றார்.மல்லாக்க படுக்காதீங்க என்றார்இன்னொருவர்..
படுக்கவிடாமல் படுத்தாறங்களே...
காலையில் நடக்க சொன்னார்கள்.. நடந்தேன்.நேராக நடக்க கூடாது, எட்டு போட்டுத் தான் 
நடக்க வேண்டும் என்று சொல்லுகிறார்கள்.
காலையில் எழுந்தவுடன் ஒரு டம்ளர் தண்ணீர் குடித்து கொண்டு இருந்தேன்.போதாது 
போதாது.. அதனுடன் எலுமிச்சையும் பிழிந்து குடிக்க வேண்டும் என்று சொன்னார்கள் 
..கேன்சர் உறுதியாக வராதாம்.!!
உருளைக்கிழங்கு அளவோடுதான்ருசியாக சாப்பிட்டுக் கொண்டிருந்தேன்.வாயு 
என்றார்..வாயில் படுவதை மறந்தேன்...உலக நாடுகளில் இது மட்டும்தான்...வேற 
வழியில்லை.. சாப்பிடுங்க என்றார்கள்...
இனிப்பை தொட்டுவிடாதீர்கள்..அவ்வளவுதான்..Sugar ஏற்றிவிடும் என்றார்..சரி என்று 
நிறுத்தினேன்.
நடக்கும் போது நண்பர் சொன்னார்..low sugar ஆகிவிடும், பாத்துக்குங்க..அப்பப்ப 
கொஞ்சம் சாப்பிடுங்க என்றார்..
இப்படித்தான் குளிக்க வேண்டும் என்றார்...ஐயோ, தப்பு, அப்படி குளிங்க 
என்றார்...குளிக்கக்கூட சுதந்திரம் இல்லை...தந்திரமா குளிக்கனும் என்றார்.
காபி, டீ வேண்டாம்,அரிசி கஞ்சி வேண்டாம்,பால் வேண்டாம்,ஐஸ் வாட்டர் 
வேண்டாம்,பாட்டில் ஜூஸ் வேண்டாம்என்றார்...சரி என்று பழகினேன்..
ஒன்று புரிந்தது..
ஒன்றும் தெரியாமல் இருந்தாலும்ஆபத்து,அதிகமாகத் தெரிந்தாலும்ஆபத்து..
"Over qualification is disqualification" என்று எங்கோ படித்த நினைவு..
Too much informations will make you to suffer from distinguishing between 
useful & useless informations.
நல்லா போய்க் கொண்டிருந்த வாழ்க்கையில்,உடம்பை பாத்துக்கங்க என்று சொல்லிஉடம்பையே 
பார்த்துட்டு இருந்ததன் விளைவு, மனசு வம்பா போச்சு...
எல்லோர் பேச்சும் கேட்பதும் ஆபத்து..ஒருத்தர் பேச்சும் கேட்காமல் இருந்தாலும் 
ஆபத்து..
வாழ்க்கை, வாழை இலையில் விழுந்தரசம் போல.. எந்தப் பக்கம் ஓடுது என்றே தெரியாமல் 
ஓடுகிறது. வாழ்க்கை ரசத்தை குடிக்க முடியலையே?
அதிக விஷயம், விஷம்.
இயல்பா இருங்க. ஒண்ணும் குடி முழுகிப் போய்விடாது.
*படித்ததில் ரசித்தது..*來來來

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CULTURAL QA 05-2024-16

2024-05-16 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


CULTURALQA 05-2024-16

All the BELOW  QA are from  Quora  digest to me  on  16-05-2024.

 Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers

.Compiledandposted by R. Gopala krishnan,  on 16-05-2024

Q1 Dohumans really need friends?

A1 StefaniaMolinari, Apr 18

This is Isaac Newton.He was... a jerk.And a loner.

He had no wife, no girlfriends, dozens of enemies, and a non-existentsocial 
life.

He had only ONE friend for his entire life.In college, he meta guy named John 
Wickins.

Their friendship began when they bumped into each other whiletaking walks. It 
turned out that both were fed up with their roommates, so theydecided to move 
in together.

Over the years, they studied together, and despite Isaac'soddities, Wickins 
tolerated him. He became a caring figure, always making sureNewton ate and 
slept properly.

Their discussions mostly revolved around the academic world—acommon interest. 
And occasionally, Wickins found himself helping Newton withhis crazy 
experiments.

But it didn't last.

It is speculated that Newton and Wickins had a big fallout,and it's not an 
unfounded suspicion.

Newton was cold, insensitive, rude, and generally didn't havemuch time for 
people unless he needed them.

After Wickins left, he never spoke of Newton again. It's abit odd since most 
people would want to say they had known a famous/influentialguy.

But nothing… He didn't even mention knowing Newton to hisson.

After his departure, Newton realized how much work Wickinshad selflessly done 
for his laboratory.However, all he did was find a newassistant.And that was the 
end of the friendship.

The only one he ever had. Some people are not made forfriends. They can't stand 
other people and other people can't stand them.

They should just shut themselves in their rooms and makethemselves useful.

Newton didn't exactly have an easy or fun life. It was fullof hardship, 
tragedy, loss, and little joy.

But he became famous.

And, as the eternal debate between enjoying life in thepresent moment and 
working to have a lasting impact on Earth rages on, we mustthink for ourselves.

What life do we want?

You don't "need" friends.They aren't essential likeair or water. But they have 
advantages and disadvantages, like most things. Choosethe life you want to lead.

My note- For most friendship may not be longlasting for decades. After a time, 
some separation occurs. After years theybecome friends “ of the time”. New 
friendship occurs. But at least a fewfriends must be there, throughout the 
life, till  his end. No other relationship will equal tofriendship. 

 Q2    What is the moral of the legend- Whena servant made a mistake, 
he threw them to the dogs to be eaten till anincident occurred which  made him 
tounderstand “Gratitude”

A2 Amelia(Amè),Mar 14

A king had ten wild dogs. When a servant made a mistake, hewould throw them to 
the dogs to be eaten.

So, one of the older servants did something wrong. The kingordered that he be 
thrown to the dogs.

The servant said, "I have served you for ten years,please give me ten days 
before you throw me to the dogs?" The king grantedthis.

In prison, the servant told the guard that he would like toserve the dogs for 
the next ten days.

The guard agreed, and the servant was able to feed the dogs,clean the kennel, 
and bathe them with all affection.

At the end of ten days, the king ordered that the servant bethrown to the dogs 
as punishment. When he was thrown in, everyone was surprisedto see the rabid 
dogs only licking the servant's feet!

The king, puzzled by what he saw, said, "What hashappened to my dogs?" The 
servant replied, "I served the dogs for only ten days and they havenot 
forgotten my service. I served you for ten years and you forgot at my 
firstmistake."

The king realized his mistake and ordered that the servant bereinstated to his 
position.

Dedicated to all those who forget a beautiful word: "GRATITUDE."They forget the 
good things a person has done and when they make a mistake,they condemn them.

The gratitude of animals is very different from that of someungrateful human 
beings.(fromthe web)

Q3 Whatanimals have hidden body parts?

A3 AdelinaMeyer, Updated 4y

Have you ever wondered why penguins are mostly seen adorablyshaking their heads 
and waddling like this? Hint: it’s related to their hiddenbody part.

Allow me to explain:

Penguins have a special organ hidden above their eyes, calledthe supraorbital 
gland.

Also known simply as the salt gland, this removes sodiumchloride from saltwater 
and turns it into fresh, drinking water.

The penguin’s blood travels through the gland, where the saltis trapped before 
it travels through the rest of its body.

The excess salt is then dripped out of the penguin’s nose. Sothey often shake 
their heads to get the salt off. (Salt boogers, if you will.)

This incredibly cool feature is also present in some othermarine birds also.

Q4

Re: [iyer123] Thoughts

2024-05-16 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Sir,
I read all your postings on thoughts. Please continue it every day. If possible 
try to post in the early morning, so that it gives positive energy  in the 
morning. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Thursday, 16 May, 2024 at 05:04:30 pm IST, Rama  
wrote:  
 
 *The greatest gift God gave to humans is not a sight but the vision.*
*Sight is a function of the eyes but vision is the function of the mind.*
Cheers 

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Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: PITU GOTRA PART 15 KR IRS 14524 15524 to be contd

2024-05-15 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
No reply is  seen from you for this response. Are you going to post more about 
Iyengars? It appears what you posted is brief and incomplete. Please expedite 
your reply.
I have got more information to post. If you do not respond to this mail, I will 
be posting the descriptive information. 
Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 10:43:41 am IST, gopala krishnan 
 wrote:  
 
  Dear Mr Rajaram,
I read with interest this forward. Especially about iyengar. Will you continue 
more about Iyengars in the next posting since what is covered in this forward 
appears incomplete? 

Gopalakrishnan


On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 07:49:14 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 

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From: Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 at 20:44
Subject: PITU GOTRA PART 15 KR IRS 14524 15524 to be contd
To: Ranganathan , Vanakkam Subbu 
, Chittanandam V R , YM 
, Dr Sundar , Venkat Raman 
, Ravi mahajan , Mani APS 
, Venkat Giri , SRIRAMAJAYAM 
, Rama , Rangarajan T.N.C. 
, Mathangi K. Kumar , 
Srinivasan Sridharan , Gopala Krishnan 
, Kerala Iyer , Sanathana 
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, Jambunathan Iyer 



PITU GOTRA PART 15 KR IRS  14524 15524 to be contd


i) Niyogi Brahmins : Niyogi Brahmins are those Brahminswho took up various 
secular vocations including military activities and gave upreligious vocation, 
especially the priesthood.  Niyogi Brahmins depend andemphasize on modern 
education.  They were ministers in the courts of kingsand feudatories. Many of 
them were village accountants/clerks, karanams (Andhra)or patwaris (Telangana), 
until recently. The Niyogis areconsidered to be eligible for priestly service.  
But they will nevereither accept a religious gift or partake of Sraaddha 
food(food given to Brahmins duiring the death related rituals). According 
toJogendranath Bhattacharya16e,Niyogi name is derived from Yoga, which means 
religious contemplation ormeditation, as opposed to Yaga, which means religious 
sacrifice. Niyogin inSanskrit also means "employed" or "appointed" 
andaccordingly, it is probable that they are so-called because they accept 
secularemployment.
They were very rich and influential. Legendary Rayamantri belongs to thisgroup. 
 Niyogi Brahmins include eminent personalities like VeeresalingamKandukuri, 
Radhakrishnan Sarvepalli, Venkatgiri Varahagiri, KL Rao, PrakasamTanguturi, 
Venkatanarasimharao Pamulaparti (PV), General K. V. Krishnarao etc.  PV was the 
only Brahmin Chief Minister (1971-72) of Andhra Pradesh andalso the only Telugu 
Brahmin Prime Minister (1991-1996) from South India whoruled the modern Indian 
Union. Over the past millennium the Niyogi Brahmins aredivided further into 
various groups:
    a) Pradhamasakha (First Branch) Niyogi Brahmins
    b) Aruvela Niyogi
    c)  Nandavarika Niyogi
    d)  Karanakamma Niyogi
    e)  Velanati Niyogi
    f)  Telaganya Niyogi
    g)  Dravida Niyogi
    h)  Karanalu
    i)  Sristikaranalu or Sistukaranalu or Sistakaranalu.
    j)  Kasalanati Niyogi
    k)  Pakanati Niyogi.  
   a)Pradhamasakha Niyogi Brahmins: This caste belongs to Sukla (white) 
YajurvedaSchool, while majority of Brahmins in Andhra Pradesh belongto krishna 
(black) Yajurveda School.  In Maharashtra alsothere is a group of Brahmins 
called Pradhamasakha Brahmins.  ThePradhamasakha Niyogi Brahmins are further 
divided intobranches such as Vajasaneyulu,  Saivulu, Yajnavalkyulu and Kanvulu.
b)  Aruvela Niyogi: AruvelaNiyogi group is the largest Niyogi group.   They 
belong to KrishnaYajurveda School. According to some, the word "Aruvela"is 
derived from 6000 (Aruvelu) villages in velanadu area of AndhraPradesh.  Some 
believe that Arvelanadu is an alternate name for Velanduand hence the Niyogi 
Brahmins of that region are Arvela Niyogis. AruvelaNioyogi Brahmins are 
political, worldly-wise, and business minded.  Theywere ministers in the courts 
of kings and feudatories, and clerks andaccountants (Karanalu).  Pamulaparti 
family belongs to Aruvela NiyogiBrahmins. 
 c)  Nandavarika Niyogi
d)  Karanakamma Niyogi
e)  Velanati Niyogi
f)  Telaganya Niyogi
g)  Dravida Niyogi
h)  Karanalu
i)  Sristikaranalu orSistukaranalu or Sistakaranalu: These are teachers, 
officials, villageaccountants (karanam).  They are mostly located in Ganjam and 
Visakhadistricts.  Famous poet Krishnamurthy Sistu belongs to this group 
ofBrahmins.
j)  Kasalanati Niyogi
k) Pakanati Niyogi  
ii) Vaidikulu (Vaidiki Brahmins): Vaidiki Brahmins are thoseBrahmins who 
practice mainly religious vocation performing various religiousactivities, in 
addition to other mainstream secular vocations like agriculture,cooking, 
teaching, clerical, management, administration, architecture, scienceetc.  They 
perform various religious activities including performingrituals and prayers to 
please Gods, planets and stars as priests for bothBrahmins and non-Brahmins, at 
homes and in temples.  However, they are

Re: [KeralaIyers] Pitu Gotra Part 15 How many brahmins 3 KR IRS 15524 16524 (contd)

2024-05-15 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Respected sir,
I have read your informative response regarding Dravid Brahmins in Madhya 
pradesh. Thank you

On Thursday, 16 May, 2024 at 10:15:27 am IST, 'Bala N. Aiyer' via 
KeralaIyers  wrote:  
 
 The South-Indian Brahmins belong to the Pancha-Dravidas, and the North-Indian 
Brahmins are Pancha-Gauras. There are several families in Madhya Pradesh who 
carry a last Name as "Dravid" - and they say that they are originally from 
South India and were there for hundreds of years. I had a friend with that name 
in the Indian Army. There is a cricket player, well-known, named Dravid.
Bala N. Aiyer 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:14:17 PM CDT, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
Pitu Gotra Part 15 How many brahmins 3 KR IRS 15524 16524 (contd)

The Madhvaas date from the recent reform activities of 
Madhvacharya(somewhere in the 12th century) also of the Vaishnava sampradaya , 
and theywere prominent in the last days of Vijayanagar (1500's) . A famous guru 
of theline was Raghavendra swami.(They are found all over Karnataka, south 
Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu as well asAndhra). Their roots include a strong Marathi 
one, and a north Indianconnection as well.

2   m) Draavidulu:  Draavids, who seem to be north IndianBrahmins who 
arrived in coastal Andhra. Dravidas are further divided intosubcastes like 
Aaraama-dravidulu, Peruru-dravidulu, Rayali-Draavidulu, DiviliBrahmins, 
Peruru-dravidulu, Tummagunta Brahmins etc based on the locations theysettled.  
Some ofthese Dravida Brahmins belong to Rigveda school and some belong 
toKrishna-Yajurveda school.  The TelanganaVaidiki Brahmin caste to which 
Goutamiputra-Satakarni belonged to is a Dravida Brahmin caste (?). This group 
belongs toRigveda school.  {Recently aTelugu film was also released on Gudami 
Putra Satakarni} 

    ( And Dravida belonged to southwhereas some TN political are displaying a 
tamil meaning graphing them only asDravida; Adi Shankar in Soundarya lahari 
addressed himself as :DRAVIDA SISUmeaning from Keral; that was tarnished by 
sone TN illiterates as denoting Gnanasambandar born in TN, is being spoken by 
Adi Shankara as Dravida sisu; henceAdi Shankara should have existed only after 
Gnana sambandar ; and thus with thehelp of so many  Officials relating tothe 
particular Mutt following Adi Shankara [which by certain documents was notone 
established by Adi Shankara] fixed the period of Adi Shankara in 700 AD;with 
the facts changed wrt  Adi Shankaraagainst many evidences lying across as 
exited around 750 BCE to 450 BCE, pulleddown the curtains; in this process, in 
the web sites, there were heated debate, trying to project the real one 
established by Shankara as NON-EXISTENT one;British nailed the period of buddha 
from not less than 1000 BCE born, to 500BCE against the Sikkim monastery 
records and history of Dharma krithi; our ownpeople twisted to do away from the 
truth; thus our real history was pushed downby 2000 years minimum.] [However, 
Dravida became Tamil was rendered by some as,the root word DRAVIDA, became 
DRAMILA, and then TAMILA @TAMIL])}   

DravidaBrahmins of Andhra

3    There are twomajor divisions among Brahmins of Andhra Pradesh: Niyogi and 
Vaidiki, and the Vaidiki Brahmin divisionis further divided into several 
groups, one of which is Dravida Brahmin groupthat arrived in Andhra viaTamil or 
Dravida (draaviDa) country.

4    A group ofBrahmins migrated approximately 600 years ago (~1300-1400 AD) 
from Saurashtra  towards south of Vindhyas and settled on thebanks of River 
Kaveri in Tamil Nadu and adopted Tamil language. These Brahminsare related to 
the Ayyars of TamilNadu.  Later, some of theseBrahmins migrated northward 
towards coastal Andhra to the River Godavari basinand henceforth are called 
DravidaBrahmins. It is possible that Dravida Brahmins migrated to Andhra 
around400 years ago from Tamil Nadu.  TheDravida Brahmin group continued the 
migration deep into north coastal Andhra, settlingat various places of their 
convenience and based on the locations they settledin, further divided into:

Aaraama-dravidas

Divili Brahmins

Dravidas or suddha dravidas

Peruru-dravidas

Puduru-dravidas

Rayali-dravidas

Tummagunta Brahmins 

5   Aaraama-dravidasare those Brahmins who settled and lived in gardens 
(aaraamas) initially. Theyare also called thota aravalu(thota = garden, aravulu 
= Tamils or Draavids). Some Dravida Brahminssettled in the villages and are 
identified by the area or the name of thevillage in which they settled down. 
For example, the Brahmins who settled inthe town Peruru near Amalarpuramcame to 
be known as Peruru-Draavidulu. Similarly, the Brahmins settled in thetowns of 
Ryali, Divili, Puduru and Tummagunta came to be known as RyaliDraavidulu, 
Divili Brahmins, Puduru Draavidulu, Tummagunta Brahmins,respectively. 

 

6    The DravidaBrahmins included 6 jaatis@ divisions (clans, tribes), 6 
vamshams (stock orclan), 18 pakshams (parts) and 18 gotrams

Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 05-2024-15

2024-05-15 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
Regarding your reaction to QA1,  the only fly you are creating all the issues 
in the groups.
Regarding QA3, the point is about the smell coming out from inside the tooth 
during grinding, not of mouth. Read with concentration, which is lagging with 
you.
Again I request you to behave like a former IRS, not childish LKG student. None 
of the members are least bothered about you, in your competing unnecessarily 
with others. 

Gopalakrishnan
On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 11:08:18 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
CULTURAL QA 05202415

Q1 Whatare some good jokes about religion?

KR   Funny youshould say that? Is Christianity superior to Judaism a joke?  
And also, a good joke? How about reverse orwho is better among you 3? That can 
also be a joke. Taste of course differs butnot below mark. 

Q2 Afterthe sudden death of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, why did Nehru 
issue an order tothe Congress Party MPs that no one would attend Sardar 
Vallabhbhai Patel'sfuneral and why did Nehru hate Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel so 
much?

KR:    My advice:  “Don’t get influenced by these fake messageswhich you 
receive every morning on your Whats App number. These are evildesigns …”

Q3 Howdo you get rid of bad breath even when I tongue scrape, have 
no cavities, andhave good hygiene?

KR  Yes G istrue to some extent but the truth is the kid telling “shirt 
has come small”; hehas become taller not the shirt. So, plastics of teeth or 
special skin insidethe mouth do not smell. But the body inherently springs the 
smell a bad odourwhen we are not clean due to habits or maintaining our 
diseases. 

Foul-smelling breath, also known as halitosis, can be caused by a variety of 
factors. Some common reasonsinclude:

Poor Oral Hygiene: The most common cause of bad breath ispoor oral hygiene. 
Bacteria in the mouth canbreak down food particles and produce foul-smelling 
gases, leading to badbreath. Brushing and flossing regularly, as well as 
cleaning the tongue, canhelp reduce bacteria and improve breath odour. I do not 
know what doctor meanyby “inside” while attending to teeth” root? Opening the 
teeth-one/ and willsmell the whole assembly if all the 32 etc? NO SIR  Who 
allowedthe bacteria so bad not the teeth.

Dental Issues: Dental problems such as gum disease, tooth decay, or oral 
infections can alsocontribute to bad breath. These conditions can create 
pockets ofbacteria in the mouth, which produce unpleasant odours. Regular 
dentalcheck-ups and treatment of any underlying dental issues are important 
formaintaining fresh breath. WHO CAUSED THESE?

Dry Mouth: Saliva helps to wash away food particles andbacteria in the mouth. A 
dry mouth, which can be caused by factors such as dehydration, certain 
medications, or mouth breathing, canlead to bad breath because there is less 
saliva to cleanse the mouth. Diabetic andwrong foods. Who caused all the 
unkempt orders? 

Smoking and Tobacco Use: Tobacco products can cause badbreath due to the 
chemicals and particles they contain. Smoking also dries outthe mouth and 
increases the risk of gum disease, both of which contribute tobad breath.  
Again whose work was that?

Diet: Certain foods and drinks, such as onions, garlic, coffee, and alcohol, 
can leave lingering odoursin the mouth. These odours can persist until the food 
is fully digestedand eliminated from the body. WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE? 

Underlying Health Conditions: In some cases, persistentbad breath may be a 
symptom of an underlying health condition such as respiratory infections, 
sinusitis, acid reflux, diabetes, orliver or kidney problems. EVEN IF ONE DOES 
NOT GO TO MOTION BAD ODEOUR WILL BEEFFECTIVE These conditions can affect the 
body's natural processes andlead to changes in breath odour.

Poor Digestion: Digestive issues such as indigestion, acid reflux, or 
constipation may  cause bad breath. Digestive problems canresult in the release 
of foul-smelling gases in the digestive tract, which maycontribute to bad 
breath.

Q4 Whatare some weird marital dispute stories in India?

Sources:- UP man forgets to buy ‘Kurkure’ munchies forwife, she leaves him 
2538953

- Divorce over Kurkure: UP woman seeks separation afterhusband forgets to bring 
packet of snacks 11715679144317

KR    It is fromMINT; and it is a commercial site for advt and not news 
media true. It wasreleased only on 14 5 24 yesterday. Can anyone file a divorce 
on KURKURE? Canthe case be filed direct to court? Will any advocate file 
charges be compilingthe projection of the law.? What law points and subject 
under which Kurkure willbe pulled in? So, divorce case even if mutual must have 
a valid ground to filebefore the court. Here it is an advt. Harassment clause 
atleast must fit. Snoringis harassment, as held by some. And recently I saw a 
film on OTT on kurattaitheme of woman as complained by a man  GV Prakash and Ms 
Rajesh 

Q5 Whatare some of the

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] PITU GOTRA part 12 KR IRS 11524 12524

2024-05-15 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram,
I agree you are expert in copy paste of what I wrote with small changes. No 
originality. 
Be a good member cultured and civilized. Nothing more. Let the Namakkal 
Anjaneyar whose idol with full vatamalai bless  you with good qualities now 
onGopalakrishnan. 

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 11:16:07 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 My dear Gopala @L K GIt is late already. Go and see a good doctor. Call Your L 
K G son and L K G son in law  for help. If not called already call your wife , 
daughter and other relations L K G. They will chain you in the left leg. You 
are a fool. Are you not ashamed to say You were a BSNL supervisor?. Hell with 
you. I have decency. So I am giving copies to the groups and friends. Foolish 
fellow  Gopalakrishnan  Bye K R IRS 15524
On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 12:19, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram, 

It is late already. Go and see a good doctor. Call Your L K G son and L K G son 
in law  for help. If not called already call your wife , daughter and other 
relations L K G. They will chain you in the left leg. You are a fool. Are you 
not ashamed to say You were an IRS. Hell with you. I have decency. So I am not 
giving copies to the groups and friends. Foolish fellow.Gopalakrishnan


On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 09:34:28 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 I had already addressed you and your relations KR
On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 10:08, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram, don't test my patience. Address your son, daughter and son in law 
as LKG.There is an upper limit of my patience. Keep decorum in the 
group.Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 08:00:36 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 OK  Lost  Knowhow  Gopala the L k G  KR IRS 15524
On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 23:31, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 
 wrote:

 Mr Rajaram,
I wrote earlier also not to react, but respond.  It is very clear, Mr Rajaram, 
you are mentally deranged. You write as if the boss, not me. I know about my 
knowledge, but I do not trumpet in public. 

I know very well, except the recent 2-3 mails from Mr Bala N iyer and Mr Madras 
Sivaraman, appreciating the copy paste  information, no positive response is 
received by you. 

You write  a lot of lies, call others L K G, supervisor etc, because of your 
inferiority complex. 

I stop with this. I know you have no answers to the mistakes made by you.  You 
will not regret or accept mistakes.  
Better Keep quiet.
Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 07:55:48 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Who are you?; a mad cap? mentally deranged? helpless hazard?; speak as if you 
are the boss of the regime. Stupid I said your content will be sifted with 
evidence unlike you. . Your fool's paradise I shall not bother. You are rolling 
over matters as neither the beginning nor the end is known to you or understood 
by you. I know you are L K G  Expand it. Who are you? Why should I send you? 
Only because of you they are writing personally. Your imbalance was also 
written to me . If you wish, keep shouting from the top of your head. KR IRS  
14524
On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 21:02, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram, 

Very correct. You need not reply to a response. Also, remember you need not 
respond to each and every mails of others always with criticism. I have no 
inferiority complex. Mostly  it is  with you.
1. Many members write to you personally is a BOGUS  reply. At least publish  
two responses to this mail sent to you personally to prove the truthfulness of 
your reply.You are expert in furnishing bogus statements. 

2. Answer to the point. Don't beat around the bush if you are not having an 
answer. Accept true statements.
3. You have not written anywhere in the posting about other tharpanams. If so 
reproduce it. I have read carefully and responded. Accept your mistake.  
You have added a new point- Nithya srardham. I agree to it.

You may consult a good sasthrikal about srardha to mother. It is performed only 
in Gaya. Sasthrikals there specifically announce it. You were not careful if 
you performed Gaya srardha. Your knowledge is VERY POOR in this aspect. 

4. You have not written any where in the posting about star and thithi for 
performing srardha for different varnas. Hence my response.

5. Stop abusing, if you are not able to answer to the point raised. 

6. Your reply is not to the  question raised. 

7. Again beating around the bush. 

In total, you are  only able to find fault with others, not able to answer to 
the queries raised. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 12:39:56 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
My dear Gopala I don't need to reply as it has no content but your usual 
expressions of the inferiority complex evidenced as a bossism proto, so I just 
add against yours as: K Rajaram iRS 14524

Respected Mr Rajaram,

I read with concentration the copy pastes contents of the above posting from 
different books.//yes your knowledge of

Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] PITU GOTRA part 12 KR IRS 11524 12524

2024-05-15 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Mr Rajaram, don't test my patience. Address your son, daughter and son in law 
as LKG.There is an upper limit of my patience. Keep decorum in the 
group.Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 08:00:36 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 OK  Lost  Knowhow  Gopala the L k G  KR IRS 15524
On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 23:31, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 
 wrote:

 Mr Rajaram,
I wrote earlier also not to react, but respond.  It is very clear, Mr Rajaram, 
you are mentally deranged. You write as if the boss, not me. I know about my 
knowledge, but I do not trumpet in public. 

I know very well, except the recent 2-3 mails from Mr Bala N iyer and Mr Madras 
Sivaraman, appreciating the copy paste  information, no positive response is 
received by you. 

You write  a lot of lies, call others L K G, supervisor etc, because of your 
inferiority complex. 

I stop with this. I know you have no answers to the mistakes made by you.  You 
will not regret or accept mistakes.  
Better Keep quiet.
Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 07:55:48 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 Who are you?; a mad cap? mentally deranged? helpless hazard?; speak as if you 
are the boss of the regime. Stupid I said your content will be sifted with 
evidence unlike you. . Your fool's paradise I shall not bother. You are rolling 
over matters as neither the beginning nor the end is known to you or understood 
by you. I know you are L K G  Expand it. Who are you? Why should I send you? 
Only because of you they are writing personally. Your imbalance was also 
written to me . If you wish, keep shouting from the top of your head. KR IRS  
14524
On Tue, 14 May 2024 at 21:02, gopala krishnan  wrote:

 Mr Rajaram, 

Very correct. You need not reply to a response. Also, remember you need not 
respond to each and every mails of others always with criticism. I have no 
inferiority complex. Mostly  it is  with you.
1. Many members write to you personally is a BOGUS  reply. At least publish  
two responses to this mail sent to you personally to prove the truthfulness of 
your reply.You are expert in furnishing bogus statements. 

2. Answer to the point. Don't beat around the bush if you are not having an 
answer. Accept true statements.
3. You have not written anywhere in the posting about other tharpanams. If so 
reproduce it. I have read carefully and responded. Accept your mistake.  
You have added a new point- Nithya srardham. I agree to it.

You may consult a good sasthrikal about srardha to mother. It is performed only 
in Gaya. Sasthrikals there specifically announce it. You were not careful if 
you performed Gaya srardha. Your knowledge is VERY POOR in this aspect. 

4. You have not written any where in the posting about star and thithi for 
performing srardha for different varnas. Hence my response.

5. Stop abusing, if you are not able to answer to the point raised. 

6. Your reply is not to the  question raised. 

7. Again beating around the bush. 

In total, you are  only able to find fault with others, not able to answer to 
the queries raised. 

Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 12:39:56 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 
My dear Gopala I don't need to reply as it has no content but your usual 
expressions of the inferiority complex evidenced as a bossism proto, so I just 
add against yours as: K Rajaram iRS 14524

Respected Mr Rajaram,

I read with concentration the copy pastes contents of the above posting from 
different books.//yes your knowledge of CP is world known KR

I have read your note- I do not point out mistakes because you quoted an 
English professor, who is said to have stated- If some person can make out the 
substance, the perfection in Language is not important.// you are not an 
authority nor even an English professor; it's a mockery. KR

1. In your note you have stated about villains and hero. First change your 
thinking, all are members in the groups and you are not a hero. If any member 
writes you are a hero, I will applaud.// KR  Pl applaud; as because of you 
three villains and plus a couple , amny do write personally so the life goes on 
jinga la la which will be a fine attritions for you!!

2. Please understand, from Dwaparayuga period, much water has flown to the 
present Kaliyuga period.  Many learnt sages/ Divine persons have modified 
srardha rulings. There are different rules now for different Varna people in 
Hinduism now. These rules changes in different parts of India.// you are not 
rule abider even that you do not do; or else will not openly announce Gaya ends 
once and for all. So veda is the base if you are really a brahmin; if you bend 
according to the convenience you continue to be only a shudra while on Govt 
records you are marked only. So bragging and kaka authoritative look may be 
curtailed. 

3. You have stated there is no tharpanam other than kuzhi tharpapanm. Please 
check your copy paste.  As far as other Varnas are concerned,

Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Rubbish personality N returned back the relevant

2024-05-15 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty

 Who is LKG? Your son? Your son in law?
Address properly Mr Rajaram. Address with manners and decorum. It is a WARNING. 
Are you really a retired IRS? 
Gopalakrishnan

On Wednesday, 15 May, 2024 at 08:24:25 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy 
 wrote:  
 
 My dear L K G       Confusion is after all in your mind only ; when read 
across many vedantic books, (unlike you and Narayanasamy along that Sarama the 
great Dog who  do not do any such thing but open thy mouth to write only utter 
nonsenses)  we find variations in the narrations across the country when there 
were no books , but only sruthi, who might have held names and titles , as they 
could have received, yet we are supposed to view what are the matter in there. 
It doesn't matter to confine oneself, as said either by K Rajaram IRS or K 
Rajaram. The content unopposable with any relevant evidence but only through 
the idiotic mockery, are differentiated from whether Memi is king or sage or as 
vishwamitra turned sage to a king or King to asage etc. This shows your class.  
   There are 2 quotes from my write up out of which one you yourself repeated 
it but failed to read fully:1  There is a passage in the Mahābhārata in which 
Atri gives advice to the emperor Nimi who belonged to Atri’s family. The story 
of how Śrāddha originated in the world which Bhīṣma had told Dharmaputra was 
retold by Atri. A son named Dattātreya was born to Atri, the son of Brahmā. 
Dattātreya became King. Nimi was his son. Nimi’s son died after one thousand 
years. Nimi who was in deep grief at the death of his son, ordained a Śrāddha 
in memory of his son. On that occasion Atri Maharṣi came there and explained to 
Nimi the importance of Śrāddha. (Mahābhārata, Anuśāsana Parva, Chapter 91, 
Verses 20-44)2   [Considerable variety prevails in this list of Prajāpatis, 
Brahmaputras, Brāhmanas, or Brahmarṣis; but the variations are of the nature of 
additions made to an apparently original enumeration of but seven, whose names 
generally recur. Had you been well read or have the sincerity of purpose, you 
would not have written how you were confused. Thank you. Now from Valmiki 
Ramayanam: Uttar kanda (which is again controversial) 
Chapter 55 - The Story of Nimi Book 7 - Uttara-kanda

I have related the cursing of Nriga in detail but, if you so desires, listen to 
the following story!”

On this, Saumitri said:—

“I never tire of hearing these marvellous tales, O King!”

Thus spoke Lakshmana, and Rama, the Joy of the Ikshvakus, began to recount many 
exceedingly instructive legends, saying

“There was once a king named Nimi, the twelfth son of the magnanimous offspring 
of the Ikshvakus and he was full of courage and truth. That highly valorous 
monarch founded a beautiful city, resembling that of the Gods, in the vicinity 
of Gautama’s hermitage, and the name of that city was Vaijanta! It served as 
the residence of the royal Sage Nimi and, while he dwelt in that vast capital, 
he reflected ‘I will perform a great sacrifice to gratify my sire!’

“Having invited his father, Ikshvaku, the son of Manu, he first welcomed 
Vasishtha, the foremost of Rishis; thereafter the Rajarishi Nimi, the Joy of 
Ikshvaku, invited Atri, Angira and also Bhrigu, that treasury of asceticism.

“Meanwhile Vasishtha said to Nimi, the foremost of royal Sages:—


‘I am already pledged to Indra, therefore wait for me till his sacrifice is 
completed.’


“Soon afterwards, the great ascetic Gautama undertook the sacrifice [i.e., In 
Vasishtha’s place] whilst the mighty Vasishtha was officiating at Indra’s 
ceremony.

“King Nimi, that foremost of men, having assembled the brahmins, celebrated a 
sacrifice in the vicinity of his city on the side of the Himavat Mountain, its 
term exceeding five thousand years.

“Indra’s sacrifice being completed, the blessed and irreproachable Sage 
Vasishtha returned to the king and offered himself as officiating priest. 
Observing that Gautama had, in the interval, filled that office, Vasishtha was 
transported with rage and, anxious to behold the king, sought out the monarch, 
but that day he lay in a deep sleep and the fury of the magnanimous Vasishtha 
burst forth anew, so that he began to curse the king, who was unaware of his 
presence there, saying:—


“‘Since you didst choose another and have failed to treat me with due respect, 
O King, your body will be rendered lifeless!’


“Thereupon the king awoke and, hearing the curse pronounced against him, in a 
transport of rage, said to the son of Brahma:—


“‘When I was unconscious and asleep, you, beside thyself with anger, hast 
subjected me to the fire of your wrath like unto the Rod of Yama! For this, be 
assured your body too, O Brahmarishi, shall be bereft of sensation for a long 
time.’


“Thus both dominated by anger, the foremost of kings and the chief of the 
ascetics, mutually cursed one another and they, whose powers were equal to the 
Gods, were both instantly deprived of their bodies.”




WAS JANAKA RAJA

CULTURAL QA 05-2024-15

2024-05-15 Thread 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty


CULTURAL QA 05-2024-15

All the BELOW  QA are from  Quora  digest to me  on  15-05-2024.

 Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers

.Compiled and posted by R. Gopalakrishnan,  on 15-05-2024

Q1 What are some good jokes about religion?

A2 PeterLong, Studied science and maths to degree standard. Worked 
in IT for 30years.7y

A Jewish guy sends his son to Israel to get in touch with hisreligious roots 
and gain a deeper appreciation of Judaism. A year later the sonreturns and 
informs his shocked father that he has converted to Christianity.

Distraught, the father visits his friend and tells him whathas happened. The 
friend replies: "Funny you should say that. I sent myson to Israel and he came 
back a Christian too."

The two friends decide to ask their Rabbi about this."Funny you should say 
that", starts the Rabbi, "The exact samething happened when I sent my son there 
too. I think we need to ask God what todo about this".

So the 3 men go to the temple and pray hard to God, tellinghim what has 
happened and asking for his divine guidance. Suddenly, from above,a voice booms 
out "Funny you should say that!".

Q2 After the sudden death of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, whydid Nehru 
issue an order to the Congress Party MPs that no one would attendSardar 
Vallabhbhai Patel's funeral and why did Nehru hate Sardar VallabhbhaiPatel so 
much?

A2 AnilRoongta, Former Member at Consumer Court Mon

This is what Nehru saidwhen he heard about the death of Patel in Mumbai. “We 
shall remember him as a friend and acolleague and a comrade above all, and I 
who have sat here on this bench sideby side with him for these several years 
will feel rather forlorn and a certainemptiness will steal upon me when I look 
at this empty bench.”

Many attempts have been made by vested interests to falselyproject Sardar Patel 
and Nehru as rivals for power & position. However, historical records testify 
to theirdeep respect for each other.

That’s how Nehru informed the parliament about patel’spassing away,

 “I have to convey toyou, Sir, and to the House mournful news. A little over an 
hour ago, at ninethirty-seven this morning, the Deputy Prime Minister, Sardar 
Vallabhbhai Patel,passed away in Bombay city. Three days ago, many of us saw 
him off at theWillingdon airfield and we hoped that his stay in Bombay would 
enable him toget back his health which had been so grievously shattered by hard 
work andcontinuous worry. For a day or two he seemed to improve, but at last 
early thismorning he had a relapse and the story of his great life ended.

It’s a great story, as all of us know, as the whole countryknows, and history 
will record it in many pages and call him the builder andconsolidator of the 
new India and will say many things about him. But perhapsto many of us here he 
will be remembered as a great captain of our forces inthe struggle for freedom 
and as one who gave us sound advice in times oftroubles as well as in moments 
of victory, as a friend and colleague on whomone could invariably rely, as a 
tower of strength which revived wavering heartswhen we were in trouble

I can say little more on this occasion. My colleague MrRajagopalachari, and I 
are going almost immediately to pay our last tribute andhomage to him in 
Bombay. I understand that the President has also decided to goto Bombay 
immediately, and the Speaker, Sir, went early this morning….”

Don’t get influenced by these fake messages which you receive every morning 
onyour Whats App number. These are evil designs to villify Nehru.

Q3 How do you get rid of bad breath even when I tonguescrape, have 
no cavities, and have good hygiene?

A3 HimalayaOral Care, Providing oral care solutions with the 
goodness of herbs. Apr 11

Bad Breath can be caused by several reasons, but one of theoften missed root 
causes is gum bacteria. An accumulation of gum bacteria inthe mouth due to lack 
of adequate gum care leads to stubborn bad breath.

This cannot be treated with temporary measures like mouthfreshener, chewing 
gum, or using gel toothpaste. The only effective way tofight bad breath is to 
ensure proper gum hygiene. Follow these steps: switch toa gum specialist 
toothpaste like Himalaya Ayurveda Gum Care Toothpaste, remember to brush along 
the gum line,and floss daily to ensure no food gets stuck in between gums.

My note- Mostly others will feel bad odour ofmouth, but hesitate to say. No way 
 recommending  Himalaya products. 

 I recollect anincident when I went for root canal with my dentist about 2 
years back. I brushed two times, cleaned tongue,before going to dentist. When 
he started piercing the centre of toothwith his machine, I felt  bad odour. 
Iasked the doctor the reason for it, telling  about my brushing and tongue 
cleaning. With alaugh he said- You cleaned well outside the teeth. Notinside. 
In fact foul smell is very smell now. With many it may be muchmore!

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