date:20170920

Re: [tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

2017-09-20 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

You can still use the default save, which saves as a download.  I don't 
think that this ability was available in the original TWC. So you can still 
have your guerrilla wiki, though it takes a little more thought. Just keep 
clicking save whenever you need to save. When you need to start a new 
session, just find the last save in the downloads list. As a bonus, there 
is automatically a trail of backups. 

I'm pretty sure (it's been a long time) that the original TWC always needed 
a little bit of java code and a running JRE. It certainly did when I first 
started using it. So you're memories of the good old days may be a little 
bit gilded. 

Mark.

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:51:48 PM UTC-7, Kevin Kleinfelter 
wrote:
>
> One of my main use-cases for Tiddlywiki is to capture my configuration 
> when I build/rebuild a machine.  In the old days, on a fresh OS, I could
>
>- login
>- download from tiddlywiki.com
>- And begin capturing my config
>
> Or I could copy my existing TW knowledge base from a backup, and capture 
> my config there.  The key thing is that I really didn't have to install 
> stuff in order to start capturing.  My knowledge base was just *there*.
>
> Then the browsers decided to get more secure. After a while, it reached 
> the point where I had to install Firefox and a plugin.  Not quite a 
> zero-setup, but at least they were both packaged installs where I could 
> just accept the default options.
>
> Now, I have to install node.js (where I can take the defaults on a 
> packaged install), use npm to install tiddlywiki (and work out why it is 
> giving me a "npm WARN enoent ENOENT: no such file or directory" error), 
> then look up the commands to init a TW, then set up a Windows service or a 
> Linux daemon to run node in the background, and *then* I can start using TW.
>
> Also in the old day, I could use TW on a fully locked-down 
> corporate-controlled PC where software cannot be installed.  I brought it 
> in as a guerrilla wiki.  I successfully defend its use as "it's just a web 
> page -- you don't want to forbid people to save web pages to disk do you?"
>
> Yeah, a reasonably technical person *can* set up a node.js TW, and a 
> flexible person who's not in a hurry and doesn't mind "friction" can make 
> the download-and-replace-old-html-file process work.  But honestly, TW5 
> doesn't have the same appeal that TWC had.  It is significantly more 
> complex to setup and operate.  I'm probably going to migrate from TWC to 
> TW5 because I can't find a one-click-install wiki that supports text and 
> image and stores each page in a separate file and can (mostly) import TWC 
> data.
>
> Its a wonderful creation if you want to putz with your wiki.  If you just 
> want to start capturing your data in a text+data wiki, it has lost its 
> original simplicity.
>
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

2017-09-20 Thread Kevin Kleinfelter

One of my main use-cases for Tiddlywiki is to capture my configuration when
I build/rebuild a machine. In the old days, on a fresh OS, I could

- login
- download from tiddlywiki.com
- And begin capturing my config

Or I could copy my existing TW knowledge base from a backup, and capture my
config there. The key thing is that I really didn't have to install stuff
in order to start capturing. My knowledge base was just *there*.

Then the browsers decided to get more secure. After a while, it reached the
point where I had to install Firefox and a plugin. Not quite a zero-setup,
but at least they were both packaged installs where I could just accept the
default options.

Now, I have to install node.js (where I can take the defaults on a packaged
install), use npm to install tiddlywiki (and work out why it is giving me a
"npm WARN enoent ENOENT: no such file or directory" error), then look up
the commands to init a TW, then set up a Windows service or a Linux daemon
to run node in the background, and *then* I can start using TW.

Also in the old day, I could use TW on a fully locked-down
corporate-controlled PC where software cannot be installed. I brought it
in as a guerrilla wiki. I successfully defend its use as "it's just a web
page -- you don't want to forbid people to save web pages to disk do you?"

Yeah, a reasonably technical person *can* set up a node.js TW, and a
flexible person who's not in a hurry and doesn't mind "friction" can make
the download-and-replace-old-html-file process work. But honestly, TW5
doesn't have the same appeal that TWC had. It is significantly more
complex to setup and operate. I'm probably going to migrate from TWC to
TW5 because I can't find a one-click-install wiki that supports text and
image and stores each page in a separate file and can (mostly) import TWC
data.

Its a wonderful creation if you want to putz with your wiki. If you just
want to start capturing your data in a text+data wiki, it has lost its
original simplicity.

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[tw] Re: A thought about licensing and money

2017-09-20 Thread TonyM

All,

I have a lot of faith in People, on the whole, to recognize and reward.
Until recently I was on a good wage and did a lot to support others, I am
now seeking to make an income from IT Services and Consulting
(Sydney/Canberra/Internet) and I have suddenly gone shy on asking for money
which will not allow me to make a "right livelihood" so I need to work
something out.

The fact is given the opportunity, people do contribute time and money
contrary to so called "rational economic models", to things they appreciate
and love. Perhaps as a community we could set up a donations process with
monies sent to a general fund that can be applied to tiddlywiki as a whole,
and to individual plugin and editions creators. Personally I wish to build
a large range of business, thinking and creativity tools on tiddlywiki for
both personal business use and for distribution. I do not intend to make
millions from it but I would hope some return may be possible to help
sustain me going forward.

I am very aware however such solutions stand on the shoulders of giants,
and we need to maintain the open and freeware, sensibilities. Except in
some specific cases I would expect to make tools open to the community
(with a donation request) and a small cost to deliver finished products to
the public, or at least capture their contact details for further marketing
of other services.

I would love to know a mechanism was available to make micropayments. Lets
say I built a business tool for "Business impact analysis", I could bundle
it with consulting services and sell it for say $250 (even although it can
be found in the public domain, I would help them access/use/apply customise
it for them. Now Imaging if $50 went to my Costs, $100 to my time, $50 for
website, design and publicity and $50 into a fund, that fund would be
distributed to general tiddly wiki development support (Decided by Jeremy
and a Committee), and micro payments into accounts for plugin / edition
developers who's work was used. Of course such funds can be returned to the
community by authors.

There is a governance issue, which needs to be addressed to ensure any
money goes where it deserves to, but any such process lives or dies on its
reputation.

We could also set up bounty or commission based requests that people can
fund along with a prize driven approach. The idea is a few people nominate
a solution they would like eg; A book Library Catalogue, they then donate a
small sum to a fund which is then judged and awarded on a sliding scale to
the best solutions tendered by the community, a competition model. We could
also use the crowd-sourcing model here.

The only problems we face are our imagination, execution and dealing with
the "ethics" and loose "ownership" issues.. How can we get a quorum, or
agreement to start?

Yours Thoughtfully,

Tony

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[tw] Re: Is there a permanent TiddlyFox solution?

2017-09-20 Thread PMario

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 3:37:20 PM UTC+2, Jim W wrote:
>
> I converted over to Node.js but I guess now I've lost the ability to 
> encrypt all my tiddlers 
> ? There's a plugin 
>  to manually 
> encrypt tiddlers but it looks abandoned without the important feature of 
> confirming 
> the password  
> (I want 
> to avoid ruining a tiddler with one typo). 
>

If you are able to use the node version, you should be also able to set up 
your OS to encrypt every file in your data directory on the system level. 
... So there should be no need to encrypt the stuff 2 times. 

Most people I know, don't consider this option, because it's conpletely 
transparent. So you basically don't see, that the files are encrypted. They 
just look like normal files. ... And if you can't see it, ... it's not 
there ... right?

just my 2 cents
-mario

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

2017-09-20 Thread TonyM

Riz,
 

> If I am to take a very wild guess, you might have tried to create a list  
> before create a new board. You said you cannot create lists or cards, you 
> did not mention boards. Is it so?
>
Using + To Create "MyBoard"k, but almost missed the title as it is a 
similar colour to the background
 

> Are you able to create lists or cards in demo?
>

I can create lists and cards after creating a new board 

>
> Okey, let me know at which of the following steps is it not acting as 
> expected, okey?
>
> 1. Go https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html and as 
> usual, drag and drop it to a TW5
>
Redone
 

> 2. You will find a new page control button appearing next to "Save Wiki" 
> button. Click that and enter Tekan mode
>
Done as before
 

> 3. From the top bar, click the "+" button and create a new board.
>

*This is what I missed* 

> 4. On the list area, click on the "Add new list" to create a new list
>
Works
 

> 5. And on the new list, click "add a card" in footer to create a new card.

 
Works

Riz,

My Bad, but points to a need to provide a message/indicator when sitting in 
"No Board Mode" to first create a board. Looking good Thank you. PS the 
colour is not so good when the board includes CamelCase in the board title. 
See attached the Board name is "HPSaT Primary" but the link is only to 
http://127.0.0.1:8080/#HPSaT




Oddly having the same default colour as my Other board is oddly 
disconcerting. 

Making changes in our own stylesheet to override $:/Tekan/Substyles is that 
way to adjust I assume?


Along withthe BLC Plugin (soon to be renamed), we will be spoilt for choice.

Source found at: https://github.com/reidgould/tiddlywiki-blc-plugin

User guide found at: http://reidgould.github.io/tiddlywiki-blc-plugin 


Both solutions provide a new way interact with list management which is a 
tiddlywki strength. I would point our to users that these tools could be 
used to manage list of tiddlers for a range of purposes.


You have sparked a lot of feedback because what you have done is so 
compelling, please don't feel overwhelmed. Here is one of my suggestions.


Allow the Board to be opened in New Window like an regular tiddler can, so 
it can be seperated on multiple screens to a new screen or allow alt tab 
betweeh the board and story.



Regards

Tony

 

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:07:48 PM UTC+10, Riz wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Tony
>
>
> Looks familiar :)
>>
>
> :-D
>
>
> On your demo I note you can drag a card to a new list until it has at 
>> least one card
>>
>
>
> Yes, that, and the fact that you cannot drag a card to the last position 
> of a list are my two major remaining headaches. Basically they are one and 
> the same problem. The last position obviously needs a different set of 
> droppable actions. I am thinking of defining an empty class before footer 
> to allow this. So far I haven't had any luck. Will update as soon as I have 
> one.  
>
> Unfortunately, I can't create lists or cards on my own TW5 Notes 
>> Tiddlywiki and another of my wikis, including one that is close to empty.
>>
>
> Are there any more dependencies for the plugin?
>>
>
> What can I do to troubleshoot it?
>>
>
>
> Oh, that is unfortunate.
> No, the plugin does not have any dependencies. 
> If I am to take a very wild guess, you might have tried to create a list  
> before create a new board. You said you cannot create lists or cards, you 
> did not mention boards. Is it so?
> Are you able to create lists or cards in demo?
>
> Okey, let me know at which of the following steps is it not acting as 
> expected, okey?
>
> 1. Go https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html and as 
> usual, drag and drop it to a TW5
> 2. You will find a new page control button appearing next to "Save Wiki" 
> button. Click that and enter Tekan mode
> 3. From the top bar, click the "+" button and create a new board.
> 4. On the list area, click on the "Add new list" to create a new list
> 5. And on the new list, click "add a card" in footer to create a new card. 
>
>
> sincerely, 
> Riz
>

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