Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit, Soul, and Body
What was so exciting about Lance's comment and what did he teach you other than to totally disregard the intent of the author? The verse in Ezekiel that Lance drags out - which he claims impliesthe earth is flat is speaking about the land, country, district, county. Give me a break. If I were you I would find another teacher ... this is wresting scripture at best. jt On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:58:44 -0400 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I study Scripture to study Scripture, to experience Kavanah, and to be able to discuss Scripture with other people. GenerallyI don't care if I agree or disagree with someone on a particular subject. The important thing is that we both be passionate about Scripture and be willing to listen to each other. To argue? By all means! You're right, Judy. It doesn't take much to excite me. I guess I must be one of the simple, eh? -- slade Dosen't take much to excite some people. Do you study the scriptures just so that you can argue Slade? Judyt On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:59:27 -0400 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LANCE That's a great argument! I never thought of that before. Thanks for teaching me today. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, 29 October, 2004 06.51To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin 'I agree with the Scriptures that'...well, when the four corners of the earth are spoken of they 'mean' that the earth is flat. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 29, 2004 06:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin Judyt: I have not compartmentalized anything; this is your construct. I agree with the scriptures that man consists of spirit, soul, and body, just as the Godhead consists of Father, Son, and Spirit. Neither are compartmentalized. Both are one.
Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit, Soul, and Body
'wresting the Scripture' Some do it regularly. Some don't. Some 'get it' while others don't.. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2004 03:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit, Soul, and Body What was so exciting about Lance's comment and what did he teach you other than to totally disregard the intent of the author? The verse in Ezekiel that Lance drags out - which he claims impliesthe earth is flat is speaking about the land, country, district, county. Give me a break. If I were you I would find another teacher ... this is wresting scripture at best. jt On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:58:44 -0400 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I study Scripture to study Scripture, to experience Kavanah, and to be able to discuss Scripture with other people. GenerallyI don't care if I agree or disagree with someone on a particular subject. The important thing is that we both be passionate about Scripture and be willing to listen to each other. To argue? By all means! You're right, Judy. It doesn't take much to excite me. I guess I must be one of the simple, eh? -- slade Dosen't take much to excite some people. Do you study the scriptures just so that you can argue Slade? Judyt On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:59:27 -0400 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LANCE That's a great argument! I never thought of that before. Thanks for teaching me today. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, 29 October, 2004 06.51To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin 'I agree with the Scriptures that'...well, when the four corners of the earth are spoken of they 'mean' that the earth is flat. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 29, 2004 06:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin Judyt: I have not compartmentalized anything; this is your construct. I agree with the scriptures that man consists of spirit, soul, and body, just as the Godhead consists of Father, Son, and Spirit. Neither are compartmentalized. Both are one.
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Dosen't take much to excite some people. Do you study the scriptures just so that you can argue Slade? Judyt On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:59:27 -0400 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LANCE That's a great argument! I never thought of that before. Thanks for teaching me today. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, 29 October, 2004 06.51To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin 'I agree with the Scriptures that'...well, when the four corners of the earth are spoken of they 'mean' that the earth is flat. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 29, 2004 06:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin Judyt: I have not compartmentalized anything; this is your construct. I agree with the scriptures that man consists of spirit, soul, and body, just as the Godhead consists of Father, Son, and Spirit. Neither are compartmentalized. Both are one.
RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit, Soul, and Body
I study Scripture to study Scripture, to experience Kavanah, and to be able to discuss Scripture with other people. GenerallyI don't care if I agree or disagree with someone on a particular subject. The important thing is that we both be passionate about Scripture and be willing to listen to each other. To argue? By all means! You're right, Judy. It doesn't take much to excite me. I guess I must be one of the simple, eh? -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Friday, 29 October, 2004 21.06Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit, Soul, and Body Dosen't take much to excite some people. Do you study the scriptures just so that you can argue Slade? Judyt On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:59:27 -0400 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LANCE That's a great argument! I never thought of that before. Thanks for teaching me today. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, 29 October, 2004 06.51To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin 'I agree with the Scriptures that'...well, when the four corners of the earth are spoken of they 'mean' that the earth is flat. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 29, 2004 06:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin Judyt: I have not compartmentalized anything; this is your construct. I agree with the scriptures that man consists of spirit, soul, and body, just as the Godhead consists of Father, Son, and Spirit. Neither are compartmentalized. Both are one.
Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul
In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:23:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it OK if I submit a few scriptures for consideration . Question is are we spiritual beings or are we souls with bodies? I Co 15:46-48; Ro 7:23 John
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asceticismis self-absorbed On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:22 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Jesus did tell us to 'deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow Him' - so what exactly is SELF?
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You havedescribed what IYO self does rather than defining what self is? So what exactly is SELF as you see it? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] asceticismis self-absorbed On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:22 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Jesus did tell us to 'deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow Him' - so what exactly is SELF?
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"I've been walking forty miles of bad roadIf the bible is right, the world will explodeI've been trying to get as far away from myself as I canSome things are too hot to touchThe human mind can only stand so muchYou can't win with a losing hand" http://bobdylan.com/songs/thingshave.html -- On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:13:10 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..So what exactly is SELF as you see it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] asceticismis self-absorbed On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:53:22 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Jesus did tell us to 'deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow Him' - so what exactly is SELF?
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Hey g..have you ever heard the term, skin the cat? Perhaps you should take Izzy up on her invitation.! :-D ShieldsFamily wrote: G, you havent partied until youve partied with Iz! J G -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.
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Guys, can I interject? We are to deny self -- we are to throw off the lustful shackles of the world. We are to dance and rejoice in YHVH. A Wedding is a celebration of upcoming life! We are to rejoice for the new husband and wife because we know what *JOY* they will be receive in their newfound marital bliss!! I do not see how the NT tells us to be ascetic. This concept is foreign to me. Life is a gift from GOD to be enjoyed. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Tuesday, 13 July, 2004 23:23To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: PROBABLE SPAM Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:18 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this proves the point--such zeal for asceticism totally eclipsesthe Gospel ===If this is true, can you explain how that happens, and who makes that decision?Terry T, Do you think JC is into asceticism, as much partying as he did? E.g., in an over-arching biblical theology,place Jn 10:10 fairly,squarely in the mainstream of NT descriptive thought Example, as far as Izzy's concerned,denying one's self (e.g.) a week of wedding partying in Cana and renouncing asceticism to follow JC are identical NT theologies (..think about it:===We are followers. Followers are commanded to deny self. We are not told to party and the Bible does not portray Jesus as a party animal. (After some thought)Terry
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Slade:Amen! Both you and G have apprehended this non-dichotomous/Hebrew/unified way of thinking through Scripture. Authors of note:Lauren Winner: Girl meets God, Mudhouse Sabbath; Abraham Joshua Heschel:Sabbath, I Asked for Wonder TT illustrations:Izzy: The ball game, sitting on a curb with her dauther (?) eating ice cream, the street party. From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 14, 2004 05:52 Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Guys, can I interject? We are to deny self -- we are to throw off the lustful shackles of the world. We are to dance and rejoice in YHVH. A Wedding is a celebration of upcoming life! We are to rejoice for the new husband and wife because we know what *JOY* they will be receive in their newfound marital bliss!! I do not see how the NT tells us to be ascetic. This concept is foreign to me. Life is a gift from GOD to be enjoyed. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Tuesday, 13 July, 2004 23:23To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: PROBABLE SPAM Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:18 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this proves the point--such zeal for asceticism totally eclipsesthe Gospel ===If this is true, can you explain how that happens, and who makes that decision?Terry T, Do you think JC is into asceticism, as much partying as he did? E.g., in an over-arching biblical theology,place Jn 10:10 fairly,squarely in the mainstream of NT descriptive thought Example, as far as Izzy's concerned,denying one's self (e.g.) a week of wedding partying in Cana and renouncing asceticism to follow JC are identical NT theologies (..think about it:===We are followers. Followers are commanded to deny self. We are not told to party and the Bible does not portray Jesus as a party animal. (After some thought)Terry
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It is only ascetic in that we are to die to SELF (flesh, sin, selfishness, etc.); not die to the joys of a godly life by any means. We can only enjoy Gods blessings fully when we are walking in His Spirit, which we cannot do when we are walking in the flesh. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Guys, can I interject? We are to deny self -- we are to throw off the lustful shackles of the world. We are to dance and rejoice in YHVH. A Wedding is a celebration of upcoming life! We are to rejoice for the new husband and wife because we know what *JOY* they will be receive in their newfound marital bliss!! I do not see how the NT tells us to be ascetic. This concept is foreign to me. Life is a gift from GOD to be enjoyed. -- slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, 13 July, 2004 23:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PROBABLE SPAM Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:18 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this proves the point--such zeal for asceticism totally eclipsesthe Gospel === If this is true, can you explain how that happens, and who makes that decision? Terry T, Do you think JC is into asceticism, as much partying as he did? E.g., in an over-arching biblical theology,place Jn 10:10 fairly,squarely in the mainstream of NT descriptive thought Example, as far as Izzy's concerned,denying one's self (e.g.) a week of wedding partying in Cana and renouncing asceticism to follow JC are identical NT theologies (..think about it: === We are followers. Followers are commanded to deny self. We are not told to party and the Bible does not portray Jesus as a party animal. (After some thought) Terry
Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul
Judy Taylor wrote: Bless you Laura, Is it OK if I submita few scriptures forconsideration . Question is are we spiritual beings or are wesouls withbodies? Scripture teaches us that "God is a Spirit" John 4:24 - so how was Adam made in His Image aside from being createda spiritual being? In Job we learn "There is a spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding" (Job 32:8) David believed the same when under great duress he wrote "Into thine hand I commit my Spirit" (Psalm 31:5) Jesus on the cross right before giving up the ghost cried "Father into thy hands I commend my spirit" (Luke 23:46) Stephen while being stoned cried "Lord Jesus receive my spirit" (Acts 7:59) Thanks for the research Judy. You have given me much to consider. Terry
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My responses are in red. Laura In a message dated 7/14/2004 10:23:04 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripture teaches us that "God is a Spirit" John 4:24 - so how was Adam made in His Image aside from being createda spiritual being? God put His spirit in him In Job we learn "There is a spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding" (Job 32:8) I have to dash out but here is a verse that I use: 4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4 I believe the reason they are blinded is because they are unsaved and don't have the HS residing within them. My opinion is that the HS spirit ministers from without before we are saved and from within after salvation. David believed the same when under great duress he wrote "Into thine hand I commit my Spirit" (Psalm 31:5) Jesus on the cross right before giving up the ghost cried "Father into thy hands I commend my spirit" (Luke 23:46) Stephen while being stoned cried "Lord Jesus receive my spirit" (Acts 7:59)
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Judy Taylor wrote: "John Gray, a circuit-riding preacher, never failed to thank God for something, no matter how bad the times or how severe the trial One day when Gray had had to battle through wind and sleet to his preaching appointment at a distant village chapel, the small congregation waiting for him wondered what he could be thankful for in such weather When it came time for prayer, John prayed, "This is a wretched day, dear Lord, no doubt about it; but we thank Thee, Lord, that every day isn't as bad as this one!" == That kind of reminds me of when I was lobster fishing for a living. When I pulled a trap, if there was a keeper or two in it, I would give thanks for the catch. If there was nothing in it, I gave thanks that the trap was still in good shape. If a sea turtle had torn some slats out to eat the lobsters, I gave thanks that the trap was repairable. If the trap was gone, I gave thanks that I would never have to pull it again. It was much easier to give thanks when the trap was productive. Terry
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I appreciate your candidness, Terry. Here's another perspective... In the midst of persecution, Reb Tevye once said, "Thank you, G-d, for making us Your chosen people... but it would be nice if You'd choose someone else once in a while." -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Wednesday, 14 July, 2004 18:51To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/SoulJudy Taylor wrote: "John Gray, a circuit-riding preacher, never failed to thank God for something, no matter how bad the times or how severe the trial One day when Gray had had to battle through wind and sleet to his preaching appointment at a distant village chapel, the small congregation waiting for him wondered what he could be thankful for in such weather When it came time for prayer, John prayed, "This is a wretched day, dear Lord, no doubt about it; but we thank Thee, Lord, that every day isn't as bad as this one!"==That kind of reminds me of when I was lobster fishing for a living. When I pulled a trap, if there was a keeper or two in it, I would give thanks for the catch. If there was nothing in it, I gave thanks that the trap was still in good shape. If a sea turtle had torn some slats out to eat the lobsters, I gave thanks that the trap was repairable. If the trap was gone, I gave thanks that I would never have to pull it again. It was much easier to give thanks when the trap was productive.Terry
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Those are great. Terry, re: your rabbit enterprise, have you ever seen the foreign (subtitled) film, Jean de Florette (1987)? It is one of the BEST movies I have ever seen. You would appreciate how much harder it was to raise rabbits 50 or so years ago. The sequel is Manon of the Spring; also very good. I recommend them to anyone who hasnt seen them. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Judy Taylor wrote: John Gray, a circuit-riding preacher, never failed to thank God for something, no matter how bad the times or how severe the trial One day when Gray had had to battle through wind and sleet to his preaching appointment at a distant village chapel, the small congregation waiting for him wondered what he could be thankful for in such weather When it came time for prayer, John prayed, This is a wretched day, dear Lord, no doubt about it; but we thank Thee, Lord, that every day isn't as bad as this one! == That kind of reminds me of when I was lobster fishing for a living. When I pulled a trap, if there was a keeper or two in it, I would give thanks for the catch. If there was nothing in it, I gave thanks that the trap was still in good shape. If a sea turtle had torn some slats out to eat the lobsters, I gave thanks that the trap was repairable. If the trap was gone, I gave thanks that I would never have to pull it again. It was much easier to give thanks when the trap was productive. Terry
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:34:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you mean? What do you want? Your style has improved but I am not so sure that clarity of purpose has followed suite. Ditto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Splain please. JDs
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 2:39:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do any of you have a problem with the following? We are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8) The engrafted Word is able to save your/our soul (James 1:21) (obedience to it that is) Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Romans 10:17) Whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23) Israel failed the first time around, they didn't make it because they did not mix God's Word with faith in their hearts (Romans 9:32, Hebrews 2:2, Hebrews 4:6) so they did not enter into His rest. I do not think Paul uses "faith" with the same intention in Ro 10:17 and in Ro 14:23. And i say that because 14:23 passage uses "faith" to mean a "personal but religious conviction about a course of action" (J David Smithson, Book of Words, page 1, line 1 -- ok, ok, it is my own definition ). Seriously,. the brother in 14:23 is the "weak" brother, the one who is doctrinally wrong, not in step with the revealed Word of God -- he has no reason not to eat except that his conscience tells him it is a sin. With respect J David Smithson Author, Book of Words First Printing -- TruthTalk 7/14/04
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 7:20:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We think 'reality' through 'concepts'. True, but there is a reality. J
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yousound like 'a worried man with a worried mind' (quoting a line of b dylan:)...like Iz and Judy freaked you out or something... ftr,reading the text carefully, there's no reference to 'works', whatever that is; it indicates that your original question is rooted in (their)confusion--the type that typically obscuresa biblical writer's train of thought by operating in the 'works' mentality, people get freaked out, become political...e.g., a-politcal zealots for asceticism but (their) asceticism is condemned, not embraced by scripture--it has nothing to do with grace at work (grace at work will be judged for what it is acc to Paul:) On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:02:41 -0700 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:None, other than that our works will be judged.
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here's scientific bias at work in religion--another confusingretrojectionthatcollides withinductive bible study On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:11:03 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sodium by itself is quite different than chloride..
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What do you mean? What do you want? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul here's scientific bias at work in religion--another confusingretrojectionthatcollides withinductive bible study On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:11:03 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sodium by itself is quite different than chloride..
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Who is confused Gary? I can not recall ever discussing "works" here or promoting asceticism either - must all bea figment of your own imagination but this does pertain to the subject at hand. Satan loves to get hold of our conceptual thinking and since the fall mankind has been more than vulnerable. What IYO are works? Would you say thatobedience resultingfrom faith is works? judyt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yousound like 'a worried man with a worried mind' (quoting a line of b dylan:)...like Iz and Judy freaked you out or something... ftr,reading the text carefully, there's no reference to 'works', whatever that is; it indicates that your original question is rooted in (their)confusion--the type that typically obscuresa biblical writer's train of thought by operating in the 'works' mentality, people get freaked out, become political...e.g., a-politcal zealots for asceticism but (their) asceticism is condemned, not embraced by scripture--it has nothing to do with grace at work (grace at work will be judged for what it is acc to Paul:) On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:02:41 -0700 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:None, other than that our works will be judged.
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so do you On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:47:03 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Satan loves to get hold of our conceptual thinking..
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DAVEH: And an errant comment on my part at that, G. As I was trying to go to sleep last night, it occurred to me that I should have said chlorine instead of chloride! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's scientific bias at work in religion--another confusingretrojectionthatcollides withinductive bible study On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:11:03 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sodium by itself is quite different than chloride.. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.
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Main Entry: ascetism Function: noun Definition: asceticism; the condition or practice of self-denial Mark 8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and [Matt 10:38; Luke 14:27] take up his cross and follow Me. Gary, Your argument is not with me or Judy or anyone else. Your argument is with Jesus. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul yousound like 'a worried man with a worried mind' (quoting a line of b dylan:)...like Iz and Judy freaked you out or something... ftr,reading the text carefully, there's no reference to 'works', whatever that is; it indicates that your original question is rooted in (their)confusion--the type that typically obscuresa biblical writer's train of thought by operating in the 'works' mentality, people get freaked out, become political...e.g., a-politcal zealots for asceticism but (their) asceticism is condemned, not embraced by scripture--it has nothing to do with grace at work (grace at work will be judged for what it is acc to Paul:) On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:02:41 -0700 Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None, other than that our works will be judged.
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Matt 13:3 And He spoke many things to them in parables. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul here's scientific bias at work in religion--another confusingretrojectionthatcollides withinductive bible study On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:11:03 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sodium by itself is quite different than chloride..
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I have been thinking about this thread and in my opinion, we are born with a body and have a soul which represents life.I guess we could say we are a soul to be correct. We receive the HS when we are saved. Then when we die the soul goes to be with the Lord. Do we even need the spirit because we will be in the presence of God the Father. Just some rambling thoughts but I definately think the body and soul are two different things. Laura
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this proves the point--such zeal for asceticism totally eclipsesthe Gospel On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:12:07 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Main Entry: ascetismFunction: nounDefinition: asceticism; the condition or practice of self-denial Mark 8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and [Matt 10:38; Luke 14:27] take up his cross and follow Me. Gary, Your argument is not with me or Judy or anyone else. Your argument is with Jesus. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul yousound like 'a worried man with a worried mind' (quoting a line of b dylan:)...like Iz and Judy freaked you out or something... ftr,reading the text carefully, there's no reference to 'works', whatever that is; it indicates that your original question is rooted in (their)confusion--the type that typically obscuresa biblical writer's train of thought by operating in the 'works' mentality, people get freaked out, become political...e.g., a-politcal zealots for asceticism but (their) asceticism is condemned, not embraced by scripture--it has nothing to do with grace at work (grace at work will be judged for what it is acc to Paul:) On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:02:41 -0700 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:None, other than that our works will be judged.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this proves the point--such zeal for asceticism totally eclipsesthe Gospel === If this is true, can you explain how that happens, and who makes that decision? Terry
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:18 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this proves the point--such zeal for asceticism totally eclipsesthe Gospel ===If this is true, can you explain how that happens, and who makes that decision?Terry T, Do you think JC is into asceticism, as much partying as he did? E.g., in an over-arching biblical theology,place Jn 10:10 fairly,squarely in the mainstream of NT descriptive thought Example, as far as Izzy's concerned,denying one's self (e.g.) a week of wedding partying in Cana and renouncing asceticism to follow JC are identical NT theologies (..think about it:) G
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:24:18 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this proves the point--such zeal for asceticism totally eclipsesthe Gospel === If this is true, can you explain how that happens, and who makes that decision? Terry T, Do you think JC is into asceticism, as much partying as he did? E.g., in an over-arching biblical theology,place Jn 10:10 fairly,squarely in the mainstream of NT descriptive thought Example, as far as Izzy's concerned,denying one's self (e.g.) a week of wedding partying in Cana and renouncing asceticism to follow JC are identical NT theologies (..think about it: === We are followers. Followers are commanded to deny self. We are not told to party and the Bible does not portray Jesus as a party animal. (After some thought) Terry
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G, you havent partied until youve partied with Iz! J Example, as far as Izzy's concerned,denying one's self (e.g.) a week of wedding partying in Cana and renouncing asceticism to follow JC are identical NT theologies (..think about it:) G
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Terry, we are not to have a party spirit ie: worldy partying. But we are to have a blast with friends and family, and totally enjoy Gods bountiful blessings! (a time for every purpose under heaven) Izzy === We are followers. Followers are commanded to deny self. We are not told to party and the Bible does not portray Jesus as a party animal. (After some thought) Terry
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g. how do you do it? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul laying aside one's self as JC commandedis not possible in asceticism On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:22:33 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are followers...commanded to deny self...
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Tell it to Jesus. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul this proves the point--such zeal for asceticism totally eclipsesthe Gospel On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:12:07 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Main Entry: ascetism Function: noun Definition: asceticism; the condition or practice of self-denial Mark 8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and [Matt 10:38; Luke 14:27] take up his cross and follow Me. Gary, Your argument is not with me or Judy or anyone else. Your argument is with Jesus. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul yousound like 'a worried man with a worried mind' (quoting a line of b dylan:)...like Iz and Judy freaked you out or something... ftr,reading the text carefully, there's no reference to 'works', whatever that is; it indicates that your original question is rooted in (their)confusion--the type that typically obscuresa biblical writer's train of thought by operating in the 'works' mentality, people get freaked out, become political...e.g., a-politcal zealots for asceticism but (their) asceticism is condemned, not embraced by scripture--it has nothing to do with grace at work (grace at work will be judged for what it is acc to Paul:) On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:02:41 -0700 Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None, other than that our works will be judged.
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||g|| On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:51:23 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: g. how do you do it? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul laying aside one's self ||as JC commanded||is not possible in asceticism On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:22:33 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are followers...commanded to deny self...
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Judy, welcome back. Not only does the scripture separate spirit and soul, but while you were gone the question arose as to whether or not there are two flavors of salvation...a salvation of the spirit, based on faith, which leads to eternal life, and a salvation of the soul, based on works, which leads to position in the millenial period. This idea is expounded in Salvation of the Soul by Arlen Chitwood (available for download from www.lampbroadcast.com), and appears to be supported scripturally. What do you think the significance of salvation of the soul, if any, is? If there is such a thing, then it would definitely resolve the tension between the salvation by faith and the salvation by works (or faith + works) camps. Perry From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:14:45 -0400 Hello again TT'ers, After two weeks of Do your ears hang low and a camping trip with two of the grandchildren, I looked in the archives to see if there was any interesting adult type communication going on at TT and this question got my attention because not only is it a good one and IMO is important to our eternal destiny. We know that the soul and spirit can be divided because Hebrews 4:12 tells us that they can be divided by the Word of God which reveals the thoughts and intents of the heart. What is self exactly? Is it the physical body? Could we shoot ourselves and be done with it? Is it the soul? Animals have a soul but they can not reason and they are led by instinct and when they die they go back to the dust. Only man was originally created in the image of God (who is Spirit) and when he dies the hope is that he returns to the Father of Spirits - the one who created him. judyt Terry wrote: I don't give stuff like that much thought Iz. Guess I'll find out when I get there. For now, I'm still working on the important stuff, like dying to self. If I ever get the hang of that, I got to work on lovin' my enemy, and my neighbor, and, well, you get the idea. It may be a long time before I get to cipherin' on spirit/soul. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: So can you, or DaveH, or anyone define exactly what is the difference between your soul and your spirit? Is your personality your soul? Does it go to heaven? Your mental capacity? Your sense of humor? Dont animals have souls? (I think so!) Do they have a spirit? Which one do you believe lives in heaven after your body diesone or both? Izzy -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Judy, hope your ears are hanging correctly. Great thoughtsI never thought about the word saying it divides the soul and spirit! Why would it want to do that Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Hello again TT'ers, After two weeks of Do your ears hang low and a camping trip with two of the grandchildren, I looked in the archives to see if there was any interesting adult type communication going on at TT and this question got my attention because not only is it a good one and IMOis important to our eternal destiny. We know that the soul and spirit can be divided because Hebrews 4:12 tells us that they can be divided by the Word of Godwhich reveals the thoughts and intents of the heart. Whatis self exactly? Is itthe physical body? Could we shootourselves and be done with it? Is it the soul?Animals have a soul but they can not reason and they are led by instinct and when they die they go back to the dust. Only man was originally created in the image of God (who is Spirit) and when he dies the hope is that he returns to the Father of Spirits - the one who created him. judyt Terry wrote: Idon't give stuff like that much thought Iz. Guess I'll find out when I get there. For now, I'm still working on the important stuff, like dying to self. If I ever get the hang of that, I got to work on lovin' my enemy, and my neighbor, and, well, you get the idea. It may be a long time before I get to cipherin' on spirit/soul. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: So can you, or DaveH, or anyone define exactly what is the difference between your soul and your spirit? Is your personality your soul? Does it go to heaven? Your mental capacity? Your sense of humor? Dont animals have souls? (I think so!) Do they have a spirit? Which one do you believe lives in heaven after your body diesone or both? Izzy
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Perry, did you try this website; it comes up as not available for me. Perhaps just temporary? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Judy, welcome back. Not only does the scripture separate spirit and soul, but while you were gone the question arose as to whether or not there are two flavors of salvation...a salvation of the spirit, based on faith, which leads to eternal life, and a salvation of the soul, based on works, which leads to position in the millenial period. This idea is expounded in Salvation of the Soul by Arlen Chitwood (available for download from www.lampbroadcast.com), and appears to be supported scripturally. What do you think the significance of salvation of the soul, if any, is? If there is such a thing, then it would definitely resolve the tension between the salvation by faith and the salvation by works (or faith + works) camps. Perry From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:14:45 -0400 Hello again TT'ers, After two weeks of Do your ears hang low and a camping trip with two of the grandchildren, I looked in the archives to see if there was any interesting adult type communication going on at TT and this question got my attention because not only is it a good one and IMO is important to our eternal destiny. We know that the soul and spirit can be divided because Hebrews 4:12 tells us that they can be divided by the Word of God which reveals the thoughts and intents of the heart. What is self exactly? Is it the physical body? Could we shoot ourselves and be done with it? Is it the soul? Animals have a soul but they can not reason and they are led by instinct and when they die they go back to the dust. Only man was originally created in the image of God (who is Spirit) and when he dies the hope is that he returns to the Father of Spirits - the one who created him. judyt Terry wrote: I don't give stuff like that much thought Iz. Guess I'll find out when I get there. For now, I'm still working on the important stuff, like dying to self. If I ever get the hang of that, I got to work on lovin' my enemy, and my neighbor, and, well, you get the idea. It may be a long time before I get to cipherin' on spirit/soul. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: So can you, or DaveH, or anyone define exactly what is the difference between your soul and your spirit? Is your personality your soul? Does it go to heaven? Your mental capacity? Your sense of humor? Don't animals have souls? (I think so!) Do they have a spirit? Which one do you believe lives in heaven after your body dies-one or both? Izzy -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Judy Taylor wrote: Hello again TT'ers, After two weeks of "Do your ears hang low" and a camping trip with two of the grandchildren, I looked in the archives to see if there was any interesting adult type communication going on at TT and this question got my attention because not only is it a good one and IMOis important to our eternal destiny. Welcome back Judy. How is Jenna doing with the chemo? Terry
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DaveH, why do you think body + spirit = soul? The scripture speaks as though they are three separate things: 1 Thessalonians 5:23. Also see Hebrews 4:12 which refers to the dividing of the soul and the spirit. Also, Peter refers to the salvation of the soul. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Izzy, try this: www.lampbroadcast.org ... I put a com on it out of habit habit. Please let me know what you think of this article. From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:10:26 -0500 Perry, did you try this website; it comes up as not available for me. Perhaps just temporary? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Judy, welcome back. Not only does the scripture separate spirit and soul, but while you were gone the question arose as to whether or not there are two flavors of salvation...a salvation of the spirit, based on faith, which leads to eternal life, and a salvation of the soul, based on works, which leads to position in the millenial period. This idea is expounded in Salvation of the Soul by Arlen Chitwood (available for download from www.lampbroadcast.com), and appears to be supported scripturally. What do you think the significance of salvation of the soul, if any, is? If there is such a thing, then it would definitely resolve the tension between the salvation by faith and the salvation by works (or faith + works) camps. Perry From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:14:45 -0400 Hello again TT'ers, After two weeks of Do your ears hang low and a camping trip with two of the grandchildren, I looked in the archives to see if there was any interesting adult type communication going on at TT and this question got my attention because not only is it a good one and IMO is important to our eternal destiny. We know that the soul and spirit can be divided because Hebrews 4:12 tells us that they can be divided by the Word of God which reveals the thoughts and intents of the heart. What is self exactly? Is it the physical body? Could we shoot ourselves and be done with it? Is it the soul? Animals have a soul but they can not reason and they are led by instinct and when they die they go back to the dust. Only man was originally created in the image of God (who is Spirit) and when he dies the hope is that he returns to the Father of Spirits - the one who created him. judyt Terry wrote: I don't give stuff like that much thought Iz. Guess I'll find out when I get there. For now, I'm still working on the important stuff, like dying to self. If I ever get the hang of that, I got to work on lovin' my enemy, and my neighbor, and, well, you get the idea. It may be a long time before I get to cipherin' on spirit/soul. Terry ShieldsFamily wrote: So can you, or DaveH, or anyone define exactly what is the difference between your soul and your spirit? Is your personality your soul? Does it go to heaven? Your mental capacity? Your sense of humor? Don't animals have souls? (I think so!) Do they have a spirit? Which one do you believe lives in heaven after your body dies-one or both? Izzy -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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by whom? On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:17:35 -0700 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:a salvation of the soul, based on works,
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1 Cor 3:13-15 - Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. If salvation is by faith alone, then why should anyone who believes suffer loss? It does say every man. That includes you and me. One possible resolution is if our spirit is saved through faith, not of works, and our soul is saved by our good works. There are 58 occurances of the word soul in the NT. If you have a seach engine take a look at each, and see in what context salvation is related to the soul, or the soul to salvation. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:08:06 -0600 by whom? On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:17:35 -0700 Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a salvation of the soul, based on works, -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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you initiallyinquired about salvation of the soul by 'works'--how isAp. Paul's thought/context below related to the bias in your theoretical issue/s? On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:08:33 -0700 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:["]the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.["]
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g~ None, other than that our works will be judged. Those whose works stand will incur rewards, those whose works burn will suffer loss. What is the loss? What do those whose works burn lose? Do they lose merely the works they have done that were burned up? Certainly it is not theirr salvation, as is evident from v 15b: ...but he himself shall be saved... perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:32:31 -0600 you initially inquired about salvation of the soul by 'works'--how is Ap. Paul's thought/context below related to the bias in your theoretical issue/s? On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:08:33 -0700 Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: []the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.[] -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 7/12/2004 6:08:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1 Cor 3:13-15 - Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. If salvation is by faith alone, then why should anyone who believes suffer loss? It does say "every man". That includes you and me. One possible resolution is if our spirit is saved through faith, not of works, and our soul is saved by our good works. There are 58 occurrences of the word "soul" in the NT. If you have a search engine take a look at each, and see in what context salvation is related to the soul, or the soul to salvation. Perry Perry, I am not sure as to your point. You quote a scripture that clearly teaches that reward(s) will be lost but not salvation (v15). I do not see a problem. If there are rewards in heaven, perhaps they are based on our works but clearly, salvation is a matter of faith -- whether "ours " or the faith of Christ is another discussion. Verse 15 pictures the possibility, does it not, that all our works might be poorly judged by God while our salvation is secure. I have never understood works vs faith as an issue. We are saved by faith apart from obedience to law (and the gk text does omit the definite article in most cases in Paul's discussion in Ro 3 and 4.) When offered the choice, repentance puts me into the grace that saves. I understand "repentance" to mean not only a "change of mind" but a turn about in direction. I am walking one way, in selfish ambition, and then I turn around. There is God -- right there. The change of direction puts me in tune with God's way in a conscious and deliberate sense. The appreciation, astonishment and growing love I feel for a God who is willing to partner with me drives me to benevolent activity which James references as "works" [Jame's "works" and Paul's "works" are two very different things] .In that sense, I am justified by works understanding, of course, that it is the initial faith of God in Christ on the cross that actually secured my salvation. I Pet 3:21 - 22 presents baptism as an act that saves -- but the author goes on to make it clear that this salvation is actually a spiritual reality. I will be pure or I will go to hell ( a real concern for those who live and die outside the grace of God.) I will be pure because I have inherited a faith that saved me, fully and completely. There is a "holiness" that comes from gritting your teeth and there is a holiness that is the result of sin so far removed by the works of another (Christ) that God has no memory of our sin (Jere 31:34). John
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Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, why do you think body + spirit = soul? DAVEH: It is strictly based on my LDS background. I did not know that some Christians have a similar belief though, and have found it very interesting. The scripture speaks as though they are three separate things: 1 Thessalonians 5:23. Also see Hebrews 4:12 which refers to the dividing of the soul and the spirit. Also, Peter refers to the salvation of the soul. DAVEH: I'm not sure this is a good analogy, but sodium by itself is quite different than chloride, neither of which you would want to ingest. Add the two together and you get a totally different substance, that becomes a necessary part of our nourishment. Without salt, human life as we know it would cease to exist. As for salvation of the soul, it is my belief that anybody's salvation is dependent upon the resurrection of our bodies. Until our spirits are reunited with our physical bodies of flesh and bone (as was Jesus), we cannot achieve full salvation. Until then, we only have the promise of salvation. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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In a message dated 7/12/2004 10:24:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy Taylor wrote: Hello again TT'ers, After two weeks of "Do your ears hang low" and a camping trip with two of the grandchildren, I looked in the archives to see if there was any interesting adult type communication going on at TT and this question got my attention because not only is it a good one and IMO is important to our eternal destiny. Welcome back Judy. How is Jenna doing with the chemo?Terry Very good, in deed, to hear from you again. We continue to pray. John
