Re: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning
Marco, The easy answer is no. This would require the compiler to establish all possible paths through a program and determine whether it was possible to arrive at any place that uses a variable without setting it first. Although some compilers (many C compilers for example) make a good attempt at this, there are always cases that cannot be resolved. As a very simple example, consider the following: BEGIN CASE CASE A = 1 B = 'Apple' CASE A = 2 B = 'Orange' CASE A= 3 B = 'Banana' END CASE DISPLAY B Clearly, if A is not 1, 2 or 3 B will not be assigned when we get to the DISPLAY statement. But, the compiler cannot treat this as an error/warning because the author of the program may know that A can only have these values. We do not want to have to set variables explicitly for cases that cannot happen. Incidentally, I find the worryingly common practice of setting all variables to zero / null at the top of a program very annoying as it hides the very useful unassigned variable trap, leaving you thinking your program works when actually it doesn't I am told that a UV user somewhere has asked for this trap to be optional. I wouldn't like to try to support their code! Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 - Original Message - From: Marco Manyevere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning Hi All, Is it technically or theoretically possible for the BASIC compiler (or any other compiler for that matter) to catch (during compilation) all the situations that might result in the use of unassigned variable at runtime within the scope of the subroutine being compiled? Under what circumstances does the compiler catch or fail to catch such situations? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
SV: SV: Performance Discussion - Unidata
Hi Martin, excuse the late answer, we have a StorageTek D280 with 1GB cache and we see good performance after tuning the cache. Björn Eklund -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Martin Thorpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 26 februari 2004 13:21 Till: U2 Users Discussion List Ämne: Re: SV: Performance Discussion - Unidata Bjorn If you didnt mind me asking, what hardware are you using in terms of SAN, is it EMC Clarion, Storagetek/Sun StoreEdge etc and also how much cache have you got on those arrays? 1GB? Do you see good performance over that? Thanks Björn Eklund wrote: Hi Martin, we have equipment that looks a lot like yours, same server but with double the amount of CPU and RAM. We also have an external SAN storage(FC disks 15000 rpm) where all the unidata files resides. When we started the system for the first time everything we tried to do was very slow. After tuning the storage kabinett's cache we got an acceptable performance. After some time we started looking for other ways of improving performance and did a resize on all our files. The biggest change was from blocksizze 2 to 4 on almost every file. This made an improvement of about 50-100% perfomance on our disk intense batchprograms. I don't remeber any figures on speed regarding reads and writes but I can ask our unixadmin to dig them up if you want. It's just a guess but I do belive that Unidata rely heavily on Solaris buffers. Regards Björn -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Martin Thorpe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 25 februari 2004 19:13 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ämne: Performance Discussion - Unidata Hi guys Hope everybody is ok! To get straight to the point, system as follows: SunFire V880 2x1.2GHZ UltaSparc3cu Processors 4GB RAM 6x68GB 10krpm FC-AL disks 96GB backplane Disks are grouped together to create volumes - as follows: Disk 1 - root, var, dev, ud60, xfer - RAID 1 (Root Volume Primary Mirror) Disk 2 - root, var, dev, ud60, xfer - RAID 1 (Root Volume Submirror) Disk 3 - /u- RAID 10 (Unidata Volume Primary Mirror - striped) Disk 4 - /u- RAID 10 (Unidata Volume Primary Mirror - striped) Disk 5 - /u- RAID 10 (Unidata Volume Submirror - striped) Disk 6 - /u- RAID 10 (Unidata Volume Sumkfs -F ufs -o nsect=424,ntrack=24,bsize=8192,fragsize=1024,cgsize=10,free=1,rps=167,nbpi= 8 275,opt=t,apc=0,gap=0,nrpos=8,maxcontig=16 /dev/md/dsk/d10 286220352 bmirror - striped) UD60 - Unidata Binary area XFER - Data output area for Unidata accounts (csv files etc) /U - Primary Unidata account/database area. If I perform tests via the system using both dd and mkfile, I see speeds of around 50MB/s for WRITES, 60MB/s for READS, however if a colleague loads a 100MB csv file using READSEQ into a Unidata file, not doing anything fancy, I see massive Average Service Times (asvc_t - using IOSTAT) and the device is usually always 100% busy, no real CPU overhead but with 15MB/s tops WRITE. There is only ONE person using this system (to test throughput). This is confusing, drilling down I have set a 16384 block interlace size on each stripe and the following info for the mounted volume: mkfs -F ufs -o nsect=424,ntrack=24,bsize=8192,fragsize=1024,cgsize=10,free=1,rps=167,nbpi= 8 275,opt=t,apc=0,gap=0,nrpos=8,maxcontig=16 /dev/md/dsk/d10 286220352 in /etc/system I have set the following parameters: set shmsys:shminfo_shmmni=1024 set shmsys:shminfo_shmmax=8388608 set shmsys:shminfo_shmseg=50 set msgsys:msginfo_msgmni=1615 set semsys:seminfo_semmni=100 set semsys:seminfo_semmns=985 set semsys:seminfo_semmnu=1218 set maxpgio=240 set maxphys=8388608 I have yet to change the throughput on the ssd drivers in order to break the 1MB barrier, however I still would have expected better performance. UDTCONFIG is as yet unchanged from default. Does anybody have any comments? Things to try in my opinion: I think I have the RAID correct, the Unidata TEMP directory I have redirected to be on the /U RAID 10 partition rather than the RAID 1 ud60 area. 1. Blocksizes should match average Unidata file size. One question I have is does Unidata perform its own file caching? can I mount filesystems using FORCEDIRECTIO or does Unidata rely heavily on the Solaris based buffers? Thanks for any information you can provide -- Martin Thorpe DATAFORCE GROUP LTD DDI: 01604 673886 MOBILE: 07740598932 WEB: http://www.dataforce.co.uk mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: UV losing print characters
The most common cause of this in my experience is incorrect use of flow control with serial printers. For the non-techies (are there any on this list?) Your UV system can probably produce data faster than the printer can handle it so it needs a way to say stop!. There are fundamentally two techniques in use though there are variants. The first technique uses one of the wires in the printer cable (DTR - Data Terminal Ready), to say stop/go. The other technique sends a character (X-OFF, Ctrl-S) from the printer to the computer to say stop and (X-ON, Ctrl-Q) to say go. (If you've ever wondered why this works on most terminal output processes, they often do the same). If your computer is set up to use DTR but your printer is expecting to use X-OFF/X-ON, the system is not going to stop sending data when required and you lose characters. Obviously, the same happens if the settings are the other way around too. A variation on this which is more difficult to find is that not some low cost serial cables don't have a DTR wire. So, you printer says stop but this never gets to the other end of the cable. You say that this is an infrequent problem. Although that makes this sort of scenario less likely, it can still happen because many modern printers have buffers large enough to hold quite big print jobs. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 - Original Message - From: gerry simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UV losing print characters a client has reported that they are randomly infrequently having characters dropped from print jobs. this recently happened during an invoice run where a tax value of 1147.90 was printed as 117.90 - the invoice total printed correctly, the invoice data on file has the correct value and a reprint shows the correct value. I am thinking that this is - a problem with the printer in question ( i am not yet sure if this is a single printer issue or not ) - a problem with a network connection - an issue to be raised with either IBM or HP has anyone seen this happen before ? gerry -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: UV losing print characters
thanks for the reply martin. - Original Message - From: Martin Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:51 AM Subject: Re: UV losing print characters The most common cause of this in my experience is incorrect use of flow control with serial printers. For the non-techies (are there any on this list?) Your UV system can probably produce data faster than the printer can handle it so it needs a way to say stop!. There are fundamentally two techniques in use though there are variants. The first technique uses one of the wires in the printer cable (DTR - Data Terminal Ready), to say stop/go. The other technique sends a character (X-OFF, Ctrl-S) from the printer to the computer to say stop and (X-ON, Ctrl-Q) to say go. (If you've ever wondered why this works on most terminal output processes, they often do the same). If your computer is set up to use DTR but your printer is expecting to use X-OFF/X-ON, the system is not going to stop sending data when required and you lose characters. Obviously, the same happens if the settings are the other way around too. A variation on this which is more difficult to find is that not some low cost serial cables don't have a DTR wire. So, you printer says stop but this never gets to the other end of the cable. You say that this is an infrequent problem. Although that makes this sort of scenario less likely, it can still happen because many modern printers have buffers large enough to hold quite big print jobs. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 - Original Message - From: gerry simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UV losing print characters a client has reported that they are randomly infrequently having characters dropped from print jobs. this recently happened during an invoice run where a tax value of 1147.90 was printed as 117.90 - the invoice total printed correctly, the invoice data on file has the correct value and a reprint shows the correct value. I am thinking that this is - a problem with the printer in question ( i am not yet sure if this is a single printer issue or not ) - a problem with a network connection - an issue to be raised with either IBM or HP has anyone seen this happen before ? gerry -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning
Marco, The problem is that all it can do is warn that there *might* be a route through that would not assign a variable, depending on conditional logic. The Borland compilers do this - and boy is it annoying. For example, you might have a case statement that handles each potential and predictable input to a routine. Depending on the logic this migh lead to a variable referenced later on, based on the result of that case statement, being seen as potentiall unassigned (since the compiler doesn't know the possible incoming values). So it warns you that the variable might not be assigned. So you then pre-assign the variable to remove that warning, and the compiler then complains that this assigned value may not be used! Duh! The real problem is that over a large Delphi project (some of our components run into hundreds of thousands of lines of code) you can get so many unnecessary warnings like this that you might lose a legitimate warning amongst them. Less of a problem on U2 where you are not linking so much code into a single routine, but potentially annoying all the same. Brian Leach -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Manyevere Sent: 03 March 2004 06:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning Hi All, Is it technically or theoretically possible for the BASIC compiler (or any other compiler for that matter) to catch (during compilation) all the situations that might result in the use of unassigned variable at runtime within the scope of the subroutine being compiled? Under what circumstances does the compiler catch or fail to catch such situations? Regards, Marco - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ __ This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering Microgen. This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: SCO/Samba
Step One. Remove SCO and replace with your choice of (SuSE, Redhat, Gentoo, Mandrake, etc) Step Two. Install SAMBA http://www.groklaw.net for more info on why you may want to proceed with step one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/02/04 11:57PM Gang, I'm installing SAMBA on SCO (Open Server 5) tomorrow. All advice, hints, and tips appreciated. I've set up SAMBA before, but it was usually a config only issue (pre-installed) and this time I have to start from the install. - Charles I think I can - I Think I can Barouch -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
I have just encountered the same problem. IBM never sent a maintenance invoice and then complained when I tried to access support. I think it is very bad business practice to not bill your customer and then charge a penalty for letting your maintenance lapse. Ron White - Original Message - From: Richard A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:52 AM Subject: u2 maintenance agreements Just a quick note that you may want to confirm your agreements are up to date. Just the other day I was attempting to access some webpages at ibm that required customer # etc and found out that our agreements were not current. This could have to do with not receiving an invoice in 2003. I'm not totally sure all of the vmark/ardent/informix records have totally migrated. I'm off now to confirm all clients received/paid for maintenance back in 2003 Rich -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
actually there was no penalty due to the current amnesty program.There was something on u2ug.org website awhile ago Ron White wrote: I have just encountered the same problem. IBM never sent a maintenance invoice and then complained when I tried to access support. I think it is very bad business practice to not bill your customer and then charge a penalty for letting your maintenance lapse. Ron White - Original Message - From: Richard A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:52 AM Subject: u2 maintenance agreements Just a quick note that you may want to confirm your agreements are up to date. Just the other day I was attempting to access some webpages at ibm that required customer # etc and found out that our agreements were not current. This could have to do with not receiving an invoice in 2003. I'm not totally sure all of the vmark/ardent/informix records have totally migrated. I'm off now to confirm all clients received/paid for maintenance back in 2003 Rich -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
Ditto for us, but it started back in 2002. We have tried to maintain four maintenance contracts with IBM and it has been an absolute mess dealing with them. Failure to invoice, failure to record our payments correctly, inability to resolve the contract problems, promises to look into it and then no reply and more. Towards the end of 2003 after spending a huge amount of time and making absolutely no progress with them, I gave up trying to get it resolved and just walked away. When the amnesty program was announced I had no desire to head back into that mess again and ignored it. From my perspective, IBM is just letting the U2 maintenance business disintegrate. Lee On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Ron White wrote: I have just encountered the same problem. IBM never sent a maintenance invoice and then complained when I tried to access support. I think it is very bad business practice to not bill your customer and then charge a penalty for letting your maintenance lapse. Ron White - Original Message - From: Richard A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:52 AM Subject: u2 maintenance agreements Just a quick note that you may want to confirm your agreements are up to date. Just the other day I was attempting to access some webpages at ibm that required customer # etc and found out that our agreements were not current. This could have to do with not receiving an invoice in 2003. I'm not totally sure all of the vmark/ardent/informix records have totally migrated. I'm off now to confirm all clients received/paid for maintenance back in 2003 Rich -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
In all fairness IBM did wave the charge due to the amnesty program. However, if I had not happened to have a support issue at the time I did, I would not have known that my maintenance had lapsed and would likely have been charged the penalty. At that point I would have moved to JBase rather than pay such a huge fee. IBM said their records show that someone tried to contact me but was told I was out of town. I never received another call. I really hope they change this bad policy and send out invoices or some kind of written notice before the termination date. Ron White - Original Message - From: Richard A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: Re: u2 maintenance agreements actually there was no penalty due to the current amnesty program.There was something on u2ug.org website awhile ago Ron White wrote: I have just encountered the same problem. IBM never sent a maintenance invoice and then complained when I tried to access support. I think it is very bad business practice to not bill your customer and then charge a penalty for letting your maintenance lapse. Ron White - Original Message - From: Richard A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:52 AM Subject: u2 maintenance agreements Just a quick note that you may want to confirm your agreements are up to date. Just the other day I was attempting to access some webpages at ibm that required customer # etc and found out that our agreements were not current. This could have to do with not receiving an invoice in 2003. I'm not totally sure all of the vmark/ardent/informix records have totally migrated. I'm off now to confirm all clients received/paid for maintenance back in 2003 Rich -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
I must admit we too have the exact same problem with IBM. After some long drawn out dealings we finally got it all resolved with no penalties. We are currently looking into a new system and I'm sure this mess has left a bad taste in some of the mouths here. It might affect the type of system we get. Maybe nothing with an IBM/MV database. I'll get retrained, I hope, but it's really not fair. A number in management here think the MV is an old PICK system and don't have a clue as to what it can really do. This just adds more fuel to there anti-MV fire. I bet we'll get stuck with an all SQL system. Changing file structures on it sure wont be as easy. That's my 2 cents I used to be an Optimist until I knocked over the glass. Randy Smith Programmer/Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.adelphia.net/~lee_crystal/ http://www.sopranoboy.com Zaner Bloser http://www.zaner-bloser.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
We had a similar problem right after the buyout. We had just renewed our maintenance with Informix. IBM sent us a notice that our maintenance had been terminated due to nonpayment. Even though we could prove that it had been paid we were required to pay it again. They better get this problem fixed or customers will start to leave for greener pastures. Ron White - Original Message - From: Lee Leitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Re: u2 maintenance agreements Ditto for us, but it started back in 2002. We have tried to maintain four maintenance contracts with IBM and it has been an absolute mess dealing with them. Failure to invoice, failure to record our payments correctly, inability to resolve the contract problems, promises to look into it and then no reply and more. Towards the end of 2003 after spending a huge amount of time and making absolutely no progress with them, I gave up trying to get it resolved and just walked away. When the amnesty program was announced I had no desire to head back into that mess again and ignored it. From my perspective, IBM is just letting the U2 maintenance business disintegrate. Lee On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Ron White wrote: I have just encountered the same problem. IBM never sent a maintenance invoice and then complained when I tried to access support. I think it is very bad business practice to not bill your customer and then charge a penalty for letting your maintenance lapse. Ron White - Original Message - From: Richard A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:52 AM Subject: u2 maintenance agreements Just a quick note that you may want to confirm your agreements are up to date. Just the other day I was attempting to access some webpages at ibm that required customer # etc and found out that our agreements were not current. This could have to do with not receiving an invoice in 2003. I'm not totally sure all of the vmark/ardent/informix records have totally migrated. I'm off now to confirm all clients received/paid for maintenance back in 2003 Rich -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: u2 maintenance agreements
new database is it of the U2 flavor ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wally Terhune Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:06 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: u2 maintenance agreements Notice of Confidentiality: The information included and/or attached in this electronic mail transmission may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, distribution or the taking of action in reliance on the contents of the information is prohibited. If you believe that you have received the message in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
We had the same problem. Wally, I'm sorry but this is not a whining issue it is very much a problem and it deals with a problem that should be resolved. If you think it is whining then you are obviously not the person that we should want to deal with. - Original Message - From: Wally Terhune [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:06 AM Subject: Re: u2 maintenance agreements Folks: We are constantly striving to improve the maintenance renewal process. We acknowledge that with the multiple buy-outs in a few short years, things got pretty out of whack. We are getting close. We've implemented a new database and are cleansing and recapturing all records and putting processes in place to address all of these issues. Isn't there a separate list server for whining? :-) Wally Terhune Manager - U2 Advanced Technical Support IBM Data Management Solutions Tel: 303.294.4866 Fax: 303.294.4832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support - Open, Query, Update, Search - Online!-- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: u2 maintenance agreements
Doesn't Raining Data have a Pick Product that supports .NET? :-) SNIP Isn't there a separate list server for whining? :-) SNIP -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: u2 maintenance agreements
I wish IBM would hurry up and get their C# .Net provider so we could leave Raining S... behind. There are only 10 people in the world who understand binary. George Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:32 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: u2 maintenance agreements Doesn't Raining Data have a Pick Product that supports .NET? :-) SNIP Isn't there a separate list server for whining? :-) SNIP -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: u2 maintenance agreements
Leave them today. C# works just fine with UniObjects for Java. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/03/04 11:39AM I wish IBM would hurry up and get their C# .Net provider so we could leave Raining S... behind. There are only 10 people in the world who understand binary. George Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:32 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: u2 maintenance agreements Doesn't Raining Data have a Pick Product that supports .NET? :-) SNIP Isn't there a separate list server for whining? :-) SNIP -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
How to start windows programs
Hi, Is there a way of starting windowsprograms on the users PC from a Unibasic program or do I need Wintergrate or some other tool to do that? I would like to send a invoice number away to an invoice archive on MS sql-server to get a pdf copy of the invoice in an Internet Exploreror acrobat reader window. Björn Eklund -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: How to start windows programs
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Re: How to start windows programs
Björn, I know you can do it from AccuTerm, I don't know of a way to do it from wIntergrate. - Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Björn Eklund wrote: Hi, Is there a way of starting windowsprograms on the users PC from a Unibasic program or do I need Wintergrate or some other tool to do that? I would like to send a invoice number away to an invoice archive on MS sql-server to get a pdf copy of the invoice in an Internet Exploreror acrobat reader window. Björn Eklund -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to Add Triggers on Dicts
ED VOC DICT.IN.MASTER 0001: F 0002: E:\accounts\_source.DEV\D_IN.MASTER 0003: E:\accounts\_source.DEV\D_IN.MASTER Conceptually, I don't see anything wrong with what you are doing. This VOC pointer seems to be all right. The work I was on UNIX running 10.1... I don't have a Windows system handy at the moment, so I can't give you're scenario a try. Ran this CREATE TRIGGER AUDIT_DICT AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE OR DELETE ON DICT.IN.MASTER FOR EACH ROW CALLING 'RC.DATA.TRIGGER Looks good. Adding trigger AUDIT_DICT UniVerse/SQL: Unable to open E:\accounts\_source.DEV\D_IN.MASTER/DICT.IN.MASTER. UniVerse/SQL: Could not add trigger AUDIT_DICT. No idea why the system is trying to open E:\accounts\_source.DEV\D_IN.MASTER/DICT.IN.MASTER. The error is correct in stating that this path does not exists. But, I have no clue why the system would concatenate the VOC ITEM name -- DICT.IN.MASTER -- to the path name in attribute 2 -- E:\accounts\_source.DEV\D_IN.MASTER -- to derive the path of the file. That does not seem right. I'd probably try setting up a scenario where the values in attribute 2 and 3 are simply the name of the file -- D_IN.MASTER. Otherwise, you might give IBM a call to see if they can help. Tom Firl -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning
HEAR, HEAR! Incidentally, I find the worryingly common practice of setting all variables to zero / null at the top of a program very annoying as it hides the very useful unassigned variable trap, leaving you thinking your program works when actually it doesn't. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Yes, this practice HIDES real errors. I too see it a lot, and I think it is absolutely disgusting. Maybe the practice originated with programmers who were used to working in languages where they had to declare variables var types at the top of their program. They just felt kinda naked without saying, I=0;A='';[EMAIL PROTECTED], at the top of their basic code. A poor reason. Don't do it. Be aware that the *occasional* such message may hint at a *multitude* of unreported error incidents. Especially when the error is deep inside an important loops. Let me illustrate by expanding Martin's example: LOOP GOSUB ASSIGN.A BEGIN CASE CASE A = 1; B = 'Apple' CASE A = 2; B = 'Orange' CASE A = 3; B = 'Banana' END CASE DISPLAY B REPEAT You will get an unassigned error message only if A just happens to not be 1,2,or 3 on the very FIRST pass through the loop. Subsequent passes where that occurs would use the value assigned to B on the previous iteration. UV will be happy to do so. Initializing B at the top of the program, above the loop, would eliminate those occasional error message but not eliminate the buggy code or a fundamental logic flaw. Try to initialize assign variables exactly where they apply. Then watch for error messages that point out your flaws, and be grateful for them. Chuck Stevenson -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning
Marco: A useful alternative, which noone has ever fixed in over 25 years, is the message: [B10] in program MyProgram, Line 106: Variable has not been assigned a value; zero used. or [B10] in program MyProgram, Line 106: Nonnumeric where numeric required; zero used. Why in the world hasn't it been fixed to display: [B10] in program MyProgram, Line 106: InvoiceNo has not been assigned a value; zero used. or [B10] in program MyProgram, Line 106: InvoiceNo = A; Nonnumeric where numeric required; zero used. Stupid questions for the exasperated business developer? Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martin Phillips Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:42 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning Marco, The easy answer is no. This would require the compiler to establish all possible paths through a program and determine whether it was possible to arrive at any place that uses a variable without setting it first. Although some compilers (many C compilers for example) make a good attempt at this, there are always cases that cannot be resolved. As a very simple example, consider the following: BEGIN CASE CASE A = 1 B = 'Apple' CASE A = 2 B = 'Orange' CASE A= 3 B = 'Banana' END CASE DISPLAY B Clearly, if A is not 1, 2 or 3 B will not be assigned when we get to the DISPLAY statement. But, the compiler cannot treat this as an error/warning because the author of the program may know that A can only have these values. We do not want to have to set variables explicitly for cases that cannot happen. Incidentally, I find the worryingly common practice of setting all variables to zero / null at the top of a program very annoying as it hides the very useful unassigned variable trap, leaving you thinking your program works when actually it doesn't I am told that a UV user somewhere has asked for this trap to be optional. I wouldn't like to try to support their code! Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 - Original Message - From: Marco Manyevere [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning Hi All, Is it technically or theoretically possible for the BASIC compiler (or any other compiler for that matter) to catch (during compilation) all the situations that might result in the use of unassigned variable at runtime within the scope of the subroutine being compiled? Under what circumstances does the compiler catch or fail to catch such situations? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Eclipse
Sorry, I have done embarassingly little towards developing the desired plug-in. I had trouble finding a tutorial that matched what I saw in the current version of Eclipse, and recently have been using NetBeans much more than Eclipse, so have let things slide. Best, David Beahm Stuart Boydell wrote: Just saw a www.ibm.com/developerWorks seminar on web services. They are using Eclipse as their IDE and I was impressed by the sexiness of the tools (We can get to whether they work or not later). There was a thread on here a few months ago about U2 Eclipse and I was wondering if anyone had built or tried building a plug-in for U2 yet. Anyone have any comments about it? Cheers, -- Stuart ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2 maintenance agreements
Wally, now I have a complaint g. Ibm keeps calling to resolve my maintenance renewal situation. 2 phone calls in 2 days. looks like I'll be back on track shortly. I hope others experience the same timely response. Rich P.S. Things do fall thru the cracks when you only submit a case number every couple of years. Wally Terhune wrote: Folks: We are constantly striving to improve the maintenance renewal process. We acknowledge that with the multiple buy-outs in a few short years, things got pretty out of whack. We are getting close. We've implemented a new database and are cleansing and recapturing all records and putting processes in place to address all of these issues. Isn't there a separate list server for whining? :-) Wally Terhune Manager - U2 Advanced Technical Support IBM Data Management Solutions Tel: 303.294.4866 Fax: 303.294.4832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support - Open, Query, Update, Search - Online!-- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Migration ReCompile
Right now we are using UV v8.3.3 on HP-Ux v10.01. When we upgrade both UV and the OS, will we need to reCompile all of our UniBasic programs? --Bill -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning
Is it technically or theoretically possible for the BASIC compiler (or any other compiler for that matter) to catch (during compilation) all the situations that might result in the use of unassigned variable at runtime within the scope of the subroutine being compiled? It's not exactly an answer, but one useful thing the compiler does currently allow is the -X option to generate a symbol map. BASIC BP XYZ -X generates BP.L XYZ which has shows a cross-reference map of where each variable is assigned or used. I typically search for variables that are assigned but never referenced, referenced but never assigned, or look for patterns of use that might tell me something, such as variables you meant to use in one section, yet unexpectedly crop up in the map somewhere else. Misspelled variables stick out like sore thumbs. Comparing the map of the old version to that of the new can be useful. cds -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
U2 Maintenance
Folks: I really shot myself in the foot on this one. I had intended to indicate we took this seriously, but I didn't feel it needed to be discussed in this forum. IBM really does consider this a very important issue and is working very hard to rectify this. Yes, we are using a U2 database to track the license and maintenance data. We have pulled resources from our technical support group and reassigned them (temporarily) to resolving maintenance issues. This is painful - as additional technical work is added to the rest of the department's work queues - but necessary. This is just one indication of how important this issue is. We do value our clients and want this to work for you and for IBM. If you have any concerns about your particular situation, I advise you to contact your maintenance provider (if a Partner) or your IBM sales rep. If you have a direct support agreement, you may also get some direction/assistance by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may also email me directly, though I'm not personally directly involved in the project (and may not be the quickest route to resolution). I hope we can discontinue this thread on u2-users at this point. I, for one, appreciate the efforts by everyone in keeping this a technically focused forum. Please direct any additional comments to me, personally - if you like. Again - my apologies. Wally Terhune Manager - U2 Advanced Technical Support IBM Data Management Solutions Tel: 303.294.4866 Fax: 303.294.4832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support - Open, Query, Update, Search - Online!-- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to start windows programs
I have a new component which will launch multiple applications on any PC in a shop from any MV platform. No AccuTerm or wIntegrate involved, very affordable. It's currently named NebulaLaunch and is being incorporated into a couple other components here and will be available as a separate offering soon. Inquiries welcome. Tony Nebula RD [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Björn Eklund Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:35 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: How to start windows programs Hi, Is there a way of starting windowsprograms on the users PC from a Unibasic program or do I need Wintergrate or some other tool to do that? I would like to send a invoice number away to an invoice archive on MS sql-server to get a pdf copy of the invoice in an Internet Exploreror acrobat reader window. Björn Eklund -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
spooler id question
Hello All, Is there a function with universe / basic to tell me the id of the last print job generated from my current uv login? Universe 10.0.13 RedHat Linux 8.0 Thanks for you help, Donnie Jacobs Sr Developer GC Services LP 713-776-6503 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Migration ReCompile
It would probably be a good idea to re-compile and re-catalog. -Grant W. Boice, Jr. -Original Message- From: Brutzman, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 2:34 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: Migration ReCompile Right now we are using UV v8.3.3 on HP-Ux v10.01. When we upgrade both UV and the OS, will we need to reCompile all of our UniBasic programs? --Bill -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Does anyone know how to
You really don't want to read a binary document into your app. It's relatively easy to create a COM Add-in for Word which can be controlled from any MV environment over any OS. See http://nebula-rnd.com/products/doc.htm as an example of what can be done in this area. I've been thinking about creating a simple version of NebulaDoc that does nothing more than basic string replacement rather than supporting all of the other Word functions. This would facilitate these very common mail-merge type requests. Inquiries welcome. Same thing can be done with Excel. I already have an inquiry about this for using Word with QM from LadyBridge and a couple for D3. I just need a few more confirmed requests to kick me over the edge. Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am running UV 9.5.1... on windows NT (PICK flavor). I want to be able to read in a .doc file created in Word 2000, do a string replace, and then write out the file as a new .doc file. I have tried using the standard READ and READSEQ. I use the CHANGE command [REC = CHANGE(REC,txta,txtb)] and then WRITE (or WRITESEQ). In each case I get the anticipated results but when I attempt to launch the document in Word 2000 I get THE unknown file format error. I have to figure that some characters imbedded in the original document are being stripped by the limitations of the uniVerse READ and READSEQ commands thus making this method not practical. I did this in the past - in another life maybe - but this is my first attempt with WORD 2000. All practical suggestions appreciated. dan -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: My apologies
You are permitted to be human and speak with tongue in cheek at times too, even if you are an IBM employee, Wally. I suspect that most of us would MUCH PREFER to have IBM employees feel free to speak up and not think they have to be politically correct or run every word past a corporate marketing person or whatever. So, not to worry and thanks for engaging in the conversation. smiles. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wally Terhune Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My apologies Please accept my apologies for an inappropriate comment regarding U2 maintenance issues. What I should have said was something along the lines of - 'might it not be best to take this discussion to the non-technical U2 list'. Best regards, Wally Terhune Manager - U2 Advanced Technical Support IBM Data Management Solutions Tel: 303.294.4866 Fax: 303.294.4832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support - Open, Query, Update, Search - Online! -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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UNCLASSIFIED RE: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
Barry, Got neither of these verbs in my VOC We run INFORMATION flavour, which one do you use? But I've seen that error message before, when a program tried to execute the DOS command, but the user didn't have the correct rights to cmd.exe. Your UV users (a local group on the server, normally) need read execute rights on 'cmd.exe' [in C:\WINNT\System32\] in order for the DOS command to work. So ... I'd guess that LD is a program which includes an EXECUTE DOS /c 'DOS command', and you don't have rights to cmd.exe HTH Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Brevik Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2004 3:34 p.m. To: U2 list (E-mail) Subject: [UV] Ever wondered how something works... One day, I stumbled across an interesting behavior; at TCL, if I type 'L', it results in my current SELECT list being cleared. You get an error message, but it does not seem to hurt anything. This is great, because I hate typing in CLEARSELECT. But ever since, I've been wondering what it's really doing. Turns out that 'L' is one of only two similar VOC entries, the other being 'LD'. It looks like this: 0001: V 0002: L 0003: PR The error message you get reads: Unable to create new process. Will try again. Create Process failed (2). This is on NT. IIRC, on unix the message is different. Anybody know what this is doing, or if it is safe? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users The information contained in this Internet Email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information, but not necessarily the official views or opinions of the New Zealand Defence Force. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. If you have received this message in error, please Email or telephone the sender immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
My VOC doesn't have these entries you mention...nor does the UV Account VOC (always a good place to check for such things - or the NEWACC file). However, looks like your application once resided on a Prime Computer, under PRIMOS and using Prime INFORMATION. L and LD are 'list directory' PRIMOS operating system commands. The VOC entry you showed was how you executed the commands from Prime INFORMATION PERFORM prompt (TCL). I believe field 3 PR indicated a PRIMOS command under PI. What you're seeing is a side-effect, rather than a 'feature' of UV TCL. Of course, there is no reason why you can clone 'L' from 'CLEARSELECT'. ;-) Regards David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Brevik Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:34 PM To: U2 list (E-mail) Subject: [UV] Ever wondered how something works... One day, I stumbled across an interesting behavior; at TCL, if I type 'L', it results in my current SELECT list being cleared. You get an error message, but it does not seem to hurt anything. This is great, because I hate typing in CLEARSELECT. But ever since, I've been wondering what it's really doing. Turns out that 'L' is one of only two similar VOC entries, the other being 'LD'. It looks like this: 0001: V 0002: L 0003: PR The error message you get reads: Unable to create new process. Will try again. Create Process failed (2). This is on NT. IIRC, on unix the message is different. Anybody know what this is doing, or if it is safe? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: How to start windows programs
I don't mean to over illustrate WIN.PCRUN but I must endorse it. I've got clients using it to FTP to remote sites for order downloads, delete remote data, instantiate text file transfers, link UPS tracking numbers to UPS.com and fedex. 2 of my clients maintain fleets of 20-30 dispatchable trucks and when the dispatcher has the customer on the screen, they type 'MAP' and mapquest.com (sic) shows the map of the customer to help the driver on the walkie-talkie. Another client has an interactive voice response IVR order entry system that saves orders in a shared directory. WIN.PCRUN runs bat files to get the new filenames, pick does the conversion and error log and WIN.PCRUN then deletes the successful orders from the original folder and copies the not-so-good orders to a reject folder. It polls every 5 minutes during the day, sleeps from 5pm to 730 am and refreshes the IVR data tables with fresh customers and products at 1:30 am. If I could run a macro from within excel with WIN.PCRUN i would be home free as I could export CSV's and format them from within excel instead of the suggested methods from the outside. One final use is to incorporate BLAT to kick off single or mass emails from within Pick (native or network). I even have the end of month process email to the owner at home of one of my clients that the process is complete so he can VPN in and print the various reports. Pretty cool. my 1 cent - Original Message - From: Stuart Boydell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: RE: How to start windows programs Is there a way of starting windowsprograms on the users PC from a Unibasic program or do I need Wintergrate or some other tool to do that? You need a proficient terminal emulator. Wintegrate could be one option of many. I would like to send a invoice number away to an invoice archive on MS sql-server to get a pdf copy of the invoice in an Internet Exploreror acrobat reader window. The simplest method to open a pdf is to write the pdf to a server then send the URI of the pdf to the emulator via an escape sequence. For example, to open a pdf in your browser using ftp using Netterm: CRT CHAR(27):'[]ftp://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/invoice12345.pdf':CHAR(27):'[0*' My personal preference for emulators is Netterm. http://securenetterm.com. It supports the ability to open URIs, kick off programs on the client as well as more sophisticated functions. It's free to evaluate (with no expiry time) and if you decide you want to buy it it's about US$30 for 1 and gets cheaper by the dozen. Regards, Stuart ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
Hi, If you hate typing CLEARSELECT or any other long command why don't you just create a shortened command? Like CLS for CLEARSELECT. Why rely on a botch which happens to work on your system? my 2c Louis - Original Message - From: Barry Brevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 list (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: [UV] Ever wondered how something works... : One day, I stumbled across an interesting behavior; at TCL, if I type 'L', : it results in my current SELECT list being cleared. You get an error : message, but it does not seem to hurt anything. This is great, because I : hate typing in CLEARSELECT. : : But ever since, I've been wondering what it's really doing. Turns out that : 'L' is one of only two similar VOC entries, the other being 'LD'. It looks : like this: : : 0001: V : 0002: L : 0003: PR : : The error message you get reads: : : Unable to create new process. Will try again. : Create Process failed (2). : : This is on NT. IIRC, on unix the message is different. Anybody know what : this is doing, or if it is safe? : -- : u2-users mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users : -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
David is absolutely 100% correct. Louis Windsor is also 100% correct. The reason the L VOC entry clears your active SELECT is that the command is not interpreted, therefore the botched command - since it did not work against your SELECT list - by default - clears your active select list. ED VOC CLEARSELECT FILE VOC CLS (makes a synonym). - Original Message - From: Hona, David S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [UV] Ever wondered how something works... My VOC doesn't have these entries you mention...nor does the UV Account VOC (always a good place to check for such things - or the NEWACC file). However, looks like your application once resided on a Prime Computer, under PRIMOS and using Prime INFORMATION. L and LD are 'list directory' PRIMOS operating system commands. The VOC entry you showed was how you executed the commands from Prime INFORMATION PERFORM prompt (TCL). I believe field 3 PR indicated a PRIMOS command under PI. What you're seeing is a side-effect, rather than a 'feature' of UV TCL. Of course, there is no reason why you can clone 'L' from 'CLEARSELECT'. ;-) Regards David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Brevik Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:34 PM To: U2 list (E-mail) Subject: [UV] Ever wondered how something works... One day, I stumbled across an interesting behavior; at TCL, if I type 'L', it results in my current SELECT list being cleared. You get an error message, but it does not seem to hurt anything. This is great, because I hate typing in CLEARSELECT. But ever since, I've been wondering what it's really doing. Turns out that 'L' is one of only two similar VOC entries, the other being 'LD'. It looks like this: 0001: V 0002: L 0003: PR The error message you get reads: Unable to create new process. Will try again. Create Process failed (2). This is on NT. IIRC, on unix the message is different. Anybody know what this is doing, or if it is safe? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
UniVerse 10 :Network writes not allowed within a transacton.
Dear U2 Users, Is anyone having idea regarding the uniVerse 10 when apply the Begin/End Transaction, it do not allow to write to the remote file. Once execute the program , it prompt the belowing messages Network writes not allowed within a transacton. Is it the security of the Database ? For eg , From Server A , having a program as below to access the remote file of Server B ( ie ASY.FV ) which is code within the Begin / End Transaction ... READU REC FROM ASY.FV , ID ELSE CRT ERROR READ FILE EXIT BEGIN TRANSACTION REC1 = TEST : X WRITE REC TO ASY.FV,ID ELSE CRT FAIL WRITE REC END IF ( P.ERROR ) THEN ROLLBACK END COMMIT END TRANSACTION RELEASE ASY.FV Error message is as follow FATAL: Network writes not allowed within a transacton. rolling back uncommitted transactions begun within this execution environment. Thanks and Regards DISCLAIMER:- This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone and destroy the original message. Thank you. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
You've definitely got VOC items that need clearing up and correction on that system. - Original Message - From: Barry Brevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [UV] Ever wondered how something works... Thanks for the replies! If you hate typing CLEARSELECT or any other long command why don't you just create a shortened command? Because then I'd have to put it in every account, whereas 'L' is already everywhere. I just assumed it was some general command because this is the second company I've worked at that has it in the VOC (one on unix, the other on NT). Very interesting post on the PRIMOS stuff... we are running INFORMATION flavor. Also, I can run 'DOS' no problem, but it's interesting that you can get the same error by not having rights to 'cmd'. It's probably a coincidence, but the old command 'CT' doesn't work right on my system either. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
I don't know exactly but LD may be short for LISTDICTS and since you're not providing a filename, it may bomb, taking the active list with it. Sometimes on UD i wish there were an easier way to clear an active list instead of CLEARSELECT. I used TIME on all native systems but UD is more durable and gives you more chances to either get the MVQuery statement correct or actually bail with clearselect. my 1 cent. - Original Message - From: Barry Brevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 list (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: [UV] Ever wondered how something works... One day, I stumbled across an interesting behavior; at TCL, if I type 'L', it results in my current SELECT list being cleared. You get an error message, but it does not seem to hurt anything. This is great, because I hate typing in CLEARSELECT. But ever since, I've been wondering what it's really doing. Turns out that 'L' is one of only two similar VOC entries, the other being 'LD'. It looks like this: 0001: V 0002: L 0003: PR The error message you get reads: Unable to create new process. Will try again. Create Process failed (2). This is on NT. IIRC, on unix the message is different. Anybody know what this is doing, or if it is safe? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniVerse 10 :Network writes not allowed within a transacton.
Do you have UV/Net installed on the remote server? Or are you using NFS? Apparently, you can't write to remote 'recoverable' (via UV/Net) files, during a transaction. I can't see any other restrictions, regarding UV/Net accessible files. Regards David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ang Suan Yong Subject: UniVerse 10 :Network writes not allowed within a transacton. Dear U2 Users, Is anyone having idea regarding the uniVerse 10 when apply the Begin/End Transaction, it do not allow to write to the remote file. Once execute the program , it prompt the belowing messages Network writes not allowed within a transacton. Is it the security of the Database ? For eg , From Server A , having a program as below to access the remote file of Server B ( ie ASY.FV ) which is code within the Begin / End Transaction ... [snip] Error message is as follow FATAL: Network writes not allowed within a transacton. rolling back uncommitted transactions begun within this execution environment. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniVerse 10 :Network writes not allowed within a transacton.
Dear All, We do install the UV/NET. Even I can edit the remote file and save it. Only unable to write if combine with the BEGIN TRANSACTION / END TRANSACTION statement Regards Ang -Original Message- From: Hona, David S [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 04 March, 2004 11:43 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject:RE: UniVerse 10 :Network writes not allowed within a transacton. Do you have UV/Net installed on the remote server? Or are you using NFS? Apparently, you can't write to remote 'recoverable' (via UV/Net) files, during a transaction. I can't see any other restrictions, regarding UV/Net accessible files. Regards David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ang Suan Yong Subject: UniVerse 10 :Network writes not allowed within a transacton. Dear U2 Users, Is anyone having idea regarding the uniVerse 10 when apply the Begin/End Transaction, it do not allow to write to the remote file. Once execute the program , it prompt the belowing messages Network writes not allowed within a transacton. Is it the security of the Database ? For eg , From Server A , having a program as below to access the remote file of Server B ( ie ASY.FV ) which is code within the Begin / End Transaction ... [snip] Error message is as follow FATAL: Network writes not allowed within a transacton. rolling back uncommitted transactions begun within this execution environment. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users DISCLAIMER:- This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email or telephone and destroy the original message. Thank you. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning
Marco, At that point I wasn't really adressing your question. Sorry for taking the thread off it's original topic. I probably should have started my own thread. Hey, it's all Martin Phillips' fault. His Incidentally,... paragraph got me off on a tangent, onto a soapbox. It's a sore spot where I keep getting poked. cds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Manyevere Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:18 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning My query is not on how to suppress the warning messages but on why the compiler catches only a few of them. Even the case statement example you gave is in my opinion a good candidate for such warning messages because a robust program would have to provide for a default case block, something like: LOOP GOSUB ASSIGN.A BEGIN CASE CASE A = 1; B = 'Apple' CASE A = 2; B = 'Orange' CASE A = 3; B = 'Banana' CASE 1; B = 'Something is very wrong here!' END CASE DISPLAY B REPEAT Regards, Marco Stevenson, Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HEAR, HEAR! Incidentally, I find the worryingly common practice of setting all variables to zero / null at the top of a program very annoying as it hides the very useful unassigned variable trap, leaving you thinking your program works when actually it doesn't. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Yes, this practice HIDES real errors. I too see it a lot, and I think it is absolutely disgusting. Maybe the practice originated with programmers who were used to working in languages where they had to declare variables var types at the top of their program. They just felt kinda naked without saying, I=0;A='';[EMAIL PROTECTED], at the top of their basic code. A poor reason. Don't do it. Be aware that the *occasional* such message may hint at a *multitude* of unreported error incidents. Especially when the error is deep inside an important loops. Let me illustrate by expanding Martin's example: LOOP GOSUB ASSIGN.A BEGIN CASE CASE A = 1; B = 'Apple' CASE A = 2; B = 'Orange' CASE A = 3; B = 'Banana' END CASE DISPLAY B REPEAT You will get an unassigned error message only if A just happens to not be 1,2,or 3 on the very FIRST pass through the loop. Subsequent passes where that occurs would use the value assigned to B on the previous iteration. UV will be happy to do so. Initializing B at the top of the program, above the loop, would eliminate those occasional error message but not eliminate the buggy code or a fundamental logic flaw. Try to initialize assign variables exactly where they apply. Then watch for error messages that point out your flaws, and be grateful for them. Chuck Stevenson -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
By the way, the fastest way to get rid of an unwanted Select list (in Universe): ED [Enter] [Enter] and the list is gone... Even quicker, who [Enter] Regards, T. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
In a message dated 3/3/2004 10:03:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even quicker, who [Enter] Regards T. Are you sure? I think on native pick systems you can use any command. However on Universe you have to use a command that actually uses up a select list. Since who is a Type 1 verb it neither expects, nor consumes a select list, so I have to think the list will still be active after the WHO is completed. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
Well WHO works on UniVerse personal edition on Windows XP. Louis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [UV] Ever wondered how something works... : In a message dated 3/3/2004 10:03:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, : [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : : Even quicker, : who [Enter] : Regards T. : : Are you sure? I think on native pick systems you can use any command. : However on Universe you have to use a command that actually uses up a select list. : Since who is a Type 1 verb it neither expects, nor consumes a select list, : so I have to think the list will still be active after the WHO is completed. : : Will : -- : u2-users mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users : -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Ever wondered how something works...
so I have to think the list will still be active after the WHO is completed. Not so. I discovered to my own use that simply using LIST, without file name, will clear the selectlist. And in any event, proof of who below: T C L SELECT CUST 3117 record(s) selected to SELECT list #0. WHO 120 mm From andrew andrew gissing -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
SV: How to start windows programs
That sounds great Stuart since we run netterm today. I'll try this out. Björn Eklund -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Stuart Boydell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 4 mars 2004 00:49 Till: U2 Users Discussion List Ämne: RE: How to start windows programs Is there a way of starting windowsprograms on the users PC from a Unibasic program or do I need Wintergrate or some other tool to do that? You need a proficient terminal emulator. Wintegrate could be one option of many. I would like to send a invoice number away to an invoice archive on MS sql-server to get a pdf copy of the invoice in an Internet Exploreror acrobat reader window. The simplest method to open a pdf is to write the pdf to a server then send the URI of the pdf to the emulator via an escape sequence. For example, to open a pdf in your browser using ftp using Netterm: CRT CHAR(27):'[]ftp://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/invoice12345.pdf':CHAR(27):'[0*' My personal preference for emulators is Netterm. http://securenetterm.com. It supports the ability to open URIs, kick off programs on the client as well as more sophisticated functions. It's free to evaluate (with no expiry time) and if you decide you want to buy it it's about US$30 for 1 and gets cheaper by the dozen. Regards, Stuart ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning
Actually Bill, PI/open and Prime INFORMATION (last couple of releases) had meaningful run-time and compile-time error/warning messages. Very similar to your examples with the variable/constant names. The online help also gave you more info for the error code that it displayed (sometimes useful :-)). Regards David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill H. Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:41 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [UV] Variable never assigned a value warning Marco: A useful alternative, which noone has ever fixed in over 25 years, is the message: [B10] in program MyProgram, Line 106: Variable has not been assigned a value; zero used. or [B10] in program MyProgram, Line 106: Nonnumeric where numeric required; zero used. Why in the world hasn't it been fixed to display: [B10] in program MyProgram, Line 106: InvoiceNo has not been assigned a value; zero used. or [B10] in program MyProgram, Line 106: InvoiceNo = A; Nonnumeric where numeric required; zero used. Stupid questions for the exasperated business developer? Bill -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
