Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Monte Goulding]

> On 18 Oct 2016, at 1:43 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:
> 
>> What kind of errors? Startup in the IDE or standalone?
> 
> 
> The IDE.


Hmm… Is this only when opening the stacks by double-clicking rather than from 
the IDE menubar
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Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> What kind of errors? Startup in the IDE or standalone?


The IDE.

It throws an error apparently coming from trying to resize the message box,
and refers to a blank line of code in the engine . . .

Naturally, if i use an answer/breakpoint pair to let me step through the
script, it does not occur . . .

I've got it down to three small stacks, having edited out a couple of
megabytes of script, that I'll submit come morning (my wife has been trying
to feed me for a couple of hours).

Now it only misfires in 7 (but in8.1, it doesn't close the splash stack,
which does happen in 7).

I'll see if I can produce one that misfires in 8, too.


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Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Monte Goulding]

> On 18 Oct 2016, at 1:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> I'm doing this so that I *CAN* file the bug report for this bit where the
> engine throws errors on startup.

What kind of errors? Startup in the IDE or standalone?
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Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

>
> There’s your problem. Sounds like staying on 7 is painful right now.
>
> What are the bug report numbers for the issues causing you pain?
>

I'm doing this so that I *CAN* file the bug report for this bit where the
engine throws errors on startup.

They're different in 7 and 8, but 8 just chopped 4.6k lines from 11.2k
lines of script in about a minute.

I"m now alternating between 8 to strip, and 7.1.3 to insure that it still
occurs.  Hopefully the bug is in the same spot in both, although 8 seems to
recover . . ..

(meanwhile, 7.1.4 is at 33 minutes)



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Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Monte Goulding]

> On 18 Oct 2016, at 1:03 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> And now at about 23 minutes . . .

Yep… go watch a movie or something. The code was *very* inefficient.
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Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Monte Goulding]

> On 18 Oct 2016, at 1:02 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> 8 has still been to painful the last couple of times I've checked.


There’s your problem. Sounds like staying on 7 is painful right now.

What are the bug report numbers for the issues causing you pain?

Cheers

Monte
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Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Dr. Hawkins]

And now at about 23 minutes . . .

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Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Monte Goulding  wrote:

> What version are you using? I did some work on this a little while ago so
> it should be much quicker in the latest releases.


7.1.4.

8 has still been to painful the last couple of times I've checked.


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Re: insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Monte Goulding]

What version are you using? I did some work on this a little while ago so it 
should be much quicker in the latest releases.

> On 18 Oct 2016, at 12:55 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> I have been waiting now for over ten minutes for this round of commenting
> to apply.
> 
> My main script is something like 15k lines.  At the moment, I'm
> sequentially blocking out large parts for a stripped down stack for a bug
> report.
> 
> This last round, I think I applied comment to about 2k lines at once.
> 
> And so it sits here, at 100% load..
> 
> I suspect that this is comping about from repeated move/insertion links.
> 
> Instead, it should probably test the number of lines selected, copy to that
> point, append each line after that  to be commented with the comment
> prefix, and then pend the rest, only then returning to the original
> container.
> 
> I've had long waits before, but this is insane.
> 
> And it appears that if I hit enough breaks to stop, it would gibe me a
> partially commented out result . . .
> 
> 
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insane time to comment out hundreds or thousands of lines

[Dr. Hawkins]

I have been waiting now for over ten minutes for this round of commenting
to apply.

My main script is something like 15k lines.  At the moment, I'm
sequentially blocking out large parts for a stripped down stack for a bug
report.

This last round, I think I applied comment to about 2k lines at once.

And so it sits here, at 100% load..

I suspect that this is comping about from repeated move/insertion links.

Instead, it should probably test the number of lines selected, copy to that
point, append each line after that  to be commented with the comment
prefix, and then pend the rest, only then returning to the original
container.

I've had long waits before, but this is insane.

And it appears that if I hit enough breaks to stop, it would gibe me a
partially commented out result . . .


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Re: tsNetInit and LiveCode server

[Charles Warwick]

Hi Ralf,

In the current versions of tsNet, tsNetInit can potentially return 
before it is completely initialised (the initialisation completes on 
another thread).


You can work around this by waiting for a short period of time after 
tsNetInit is called before calling any other tsNet functions.


The next version of tsNet will ensure that the external is always fully 
initialised before any calls to tsNetInit return.


On another note, there is currently a bug affecting the use of tsNet in 
LiveCode server on OS X (it works fine on Linux).  The next version of 
tsNet will also address that issue.


Cheers,

Charles


On 18/10/2016 12:38 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:

Is the tsNet external working with LiveCode server?

Did tests using server version 8.1.1 rc2 on Mac OS X 10.11.6.
Seems that initialization (tsNetInit) doesn't work.
The result of tsNetGetSync is "tsneterr: Not initialised" although
tsNetInit is called prior to calling any other tsNet handlers as
described in the docs.


Ralf

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Re: IDE Script Editor question...

[Bob Sneidar]

Now when I try to save my changes I get a dialog:

Can't save stack revSEEditorBehavior due to an error: can't open stack script 
file. 

Bob S


> On Oct 17, 2016, at 14:58 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> NVM it is line 3509 in the tabKey handler.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 13:54 , Bob Sneidar 
> > wrote:
> 
> Odd... line 3108 of the revSEEditorBehavior is blank and is in a handler 
> called private command selectFromCurrentToLineStart.
> 
> I found the scriptFormat in about 10 places in that behavior, and am reticent 
> to change any oen of them as I do not know what they would do.
> 
> I wonder if you are using a utility that re-sorts your handlers to be 
> alphabetic (like glx2 can do)?
> 
> Bob S
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Re: IDE Script Editor question...

[Bob Sneidar]

NVM it is line 3509 in the tabKey handler.

Bob S

On Oct 17, 2016, at 13:54 , Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:

Odd... line 3108 of the revSEEditorBehavior is blank and is in a handler called 
private command selectFromCurrentToLineStart.

I found the scriptFormat in about 10 places in that behavior, and am reticent 
to change any oen of them as I do not know what they would do.

I wonder if you are using a utility that re-sorts your handlers to be 
alphabetic (like glx2 can do)?

Bob S

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Re: IDE Script Editor question...

[Bob Sneidar]

Odd... line 3108 of the revSEEditorBehavior is blank and is in a handler called 
private command selectFromCurrentToLineStart.

I found the scriptFormat in about 10 places in that behavior, and am reticent 
to change any oen of them as I do not know what they would do.

I wonder if you are using a utility that re-sorts your handlers to be 
alphabetic (like glx2 can do)?

Bob S


On Sep 23, 2016, at 19:01 , J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:

Poking around in the SE I found an even simpler solution - replace line
3108 of "revSEEditorBehavior"

 scriptFormat "handler"

...with:

 if the shiftKey is "down" then
scriptFormat "script"
 else
scriptFormat "handler"
 end if

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Re: a quarter of a datapoint on those #()&%)(8 wandering red dots

[dunbarx]

Soft breakpoints both wander and become sterile. Edits in a handler, even if 
the line order does not change, nor the total number of lines, can render a 
softie useless.


It is both the most important and least important change I wish the team would 
address (pun intended).


Craig Newman



-Original Message-
From: Bob Sneidar 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: a quarter of a datapoint on those #()&%)(8 wandering red dots

The fact that they are red should have tipped you off. The only way I use the 
red dots is as a quick breakpoint while a script is already running, where I 
cannot type the breakpoint command. Once I edit the script, I clear whatever 
dots I set and if necessary set them again. They survive between compiles, but 
once you compile a script they will wander, or be ignored altogether if they 
fall on a comment or blank line. And it doesn't matter if you make the edits 
before or after the soft breakpoint either.

Bob S


On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:53 , Dr. Hawkins 
> wrote:

I may have, by chance, stumbled upon something.

The evil red dots have a tendency to wander, sometimes a line or two, and
sometimes wildly.

I just discovered that I had two versions of the same button, in two copies
of a group.

I *think* that after deleting the extraneous group, it's buttons may have
migrated to the "canonical " button of the same name.

I had just cleared them entirely in the canonical group, added two, and a
few minutes later, had many (naturally, in places that stopped while in a
modal dialog . . .)



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Re: Script Wierdness

[stephen barncard]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> I also had issues with certain data grids, and after copy/pasting to a new
> stack, deleting the original along with it's datagrid template, then
> copy/pasting the datagrid back into place, the issue disappeared. This has
> occured with more than one datagrid too.
>
> Bob S
>

I wrote a test app to check on what was in the clipboard array and included
a hex listing to reveal gremlins in c/p text and I found it often turned
out to be either nulls or lost backspaces.

Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org
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Script Wierdness

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi all. 

I wanted to warn everyone, if you are experiencing unexpected behavior in your 
scripts, try copy/pasting the entire script to a text only script editor, then 
back into the SE and recompiling. (BTW if you GET to recompile, then what you 
are PASTING is decidedly NOT what you originally copied!!!) 

I was getting errors I thought were related to using GLX2, but it turned out 
there was something not visible in the script text. Using the method above it 
completely cleared up the issue. I think the conversion from V6 (not unicode) 
to V8 (unicode capable) did something unintended to the scripts (and datagrids 
too if I am not mistaken). 

I also had issues with certain data grids, and after copy/pasting to a new 
stack, deleting the original along with it's datagrid template, then 
copy/pasting the datagrid back into place, the issue disappeared. This has 
occured with more than one datagrid too. 

Bob S



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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Randy Hengst]

All,

This has been very interesting and helpful. Thank you for taking the time to 
share.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com



> On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:21 PM, stephen barncard 
>  wrote:
> 
> the Script kiddies made a mess of a few of my Wordpress sites a couple of
> years ago, however WP today has been getting updates almost bi-monthly and
> they finally cleaned up the media mess and provided built-in tools for rich
> text, media uploads, slideshows (finally) and advanced content formatting
> in posts.
> I'm very impressed with how solid it is today and the installation couldn't
> be easier. One does have to remember that is always going to want to be a
> blog, and there are some flows one may have to put together in a php page
> one's self.  One can't argue about the resources available for this app.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Richard Gaskin 
> wrote:
> 
>> I subscribe to a few security newsletters (I've found O'Reilly's
>> particularly worthwhile), and CVEs against WP seem reasonably rare the
>> days, with quickly deployed updates to counter them.  I see CVEs against
>> every OS far more regularly.  While there was a spate of PHP issues just
>> after the turn of the century, in
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
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Re: a quarter of a datapoint on those #()&%)(8 wandering red dots

[Bob Sneidar]

The fact that they are red should have tipped you off. The only way I use the 
red dots is as a quick breakpoint while a script is already running, where I 
cannot type the breakpoint command. Once I edit the script, I clear whatever 
dots I set and if necessary set them again. They survive between compiles, but 
once you compile a script they will wander, or be ignored altogether if they 
fall on a comment or blank line. And it doesn't matter if you make the edits 
before or after the soft breakpoint either.

Bob S


On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:53 , Dr. Hawkins 
> wrote:

I may have, by chance, stumbled upon something.

The evil red dots have a tendency to wander, sometimes a line or two, and
sometimes wildly.

I just discovered that I had two versions of the same button, in two copies
of a group.

I *think* that after deleting the extraneous group, it's buttons may have
migrated to the "canonical " button of the same name.

I had just cleared them entirely in the canonical group, added two, and a
few minutes later, had many (naturally, in places that stopped while in a
modal dialog . . .)



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Re: How to ensure that 'close stack' destroys the stack in RAM?

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:14 PM, J. Landman Gay 
wrote:

> Is the stacks destroyStack property set to true? If not, just closing it
> isn't enough. Also, if it's a substack, it won't ever be removed as long as
> its mainstack is open.


I even tried setting every destroy property I could locate, and the
behavior was unchanged.

They are all now main stacks, so that I don't have an 11mb file every time
I need a development checkpoint (2mb is bad enough, but I'll stop before my
rant on the 21s century and usable revision control, patch, etch gets into
gear . . .)



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a quarter of a datapoint on those #()&%)(8 wandering red dots

[Dr. Hawkins]

I may have, by chance, stumbled upon something.

The evil red dots have a tendency to wander, sometimes a line or two, and
sometimes wildly.

I just discovered that I had two versions of the same button, in two copies
of a group.

I *think* that after deleting the extraneous group, it's buttons may have
migrated to the "canonical " button of the same name.

I had just cleared them entirely in the canonical group, added two, and a
few minutes later, had many (naturally, in places that stopped while in a
modal dialog . . .)



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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0 DP 1

[stephen barncard]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Richmond 
wrote:

> Well; despite misgivings, I shall download it and see what awful things
> happen on my Xubuntu box.
>

Thanks, Richmond, for being YOU. Really.

sqb

Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[stephen barncard]

the Script kiddies made a mess of a few of my Wordpress sites a couple of
years ago, however WP today has been getting updates almost bi-monthly and
they finally cleaned up the media mess and provided built-in tools for rich
text, media uploads, slideshows (finally) and advanced content formatting
in posts.
I'm very impressed with how solid it is today and the installation couldn't
be easier. One does have to remember that is always going to want to be a
blog, and there are some flows one may have to put together in a php page
one's self.  One can't argue about the resources available for this app.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> I subscribe to a few security newsletters (I've found O'Reilly's
> particularly worthwhile), and CVEs against WP seem reasonably rare the
> days, with quickly deployed updates to counter them.  I see CVEs against
> every OS far more regularly.  While there was a spate of PHP issues just
> after the turn of the century, in




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Re: How to ensure that 'close stack' destroys the stack in RAM?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/17/16 11:35 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

the application browser shows the file as a loaded
main stack but clicking to open it causes it to disappear from that pane.


I don't think this is related to the problem, it's a bug in the App 
Browser that's been there forever. I'm so used to it that I don't even 
think about it any more, and I sometimes click on the stack I know is 
removed just to get it out of the list. There's a tiny "refresh" icon in 
the lower right corner of the stack list pane that does the same thing.



I also see that when I have stack mystic of stack.a.livecode loaded, then
save it as stack.b.livecode, and even ad an explicit close for the old
filename, that it tends to lurk somewhere, and give the "what do you want
to do with  stack.b.ivecode before loading stack.a.livecode" when a should
be gone.


Is the stacks destroyStack property set to true? If not, just closing it 
isn't enough. Also, if it's a substack, it won't ever be removed as long 
as its mainstack is open.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[stephen barncard]

Hi Randy,

I don't know about the appropriateness of 'total novice' as I don't think
you meant that about your Livecode chops.
 I've seen you here for years.

Have you checked out the all - livecode web framework?

REVIGNITER 

the above web site is the app running.

it's a Model-View-Controller web application framework written entirely in
Livecode.

a OSS gift to the Livecode community from list member Ralf Bitter.


On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Randy Hengst  wrote:

> Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>
> be well,
> randy
>
> Randy Hengst
>



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mixstream.org
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Re: How to ensure that 'close stack' destroys the stack in RAM?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/17/16 5:39 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote:

This isn't in fact a bug, just a subtle interaction with the stackFiles
property of your 'Master' stack.

The stackFiles property maps names of stacks to filenames - it basically
means that when the engine resolves a chunk reference 'stack ', if
there is no stack in memory with the name , then it will look
through the stackFiles property of the stacks in memory to try and
resolve it (starting with the stack of the script being executed).
Furthermore, it resolves things relative to the path to the stack
containing the stackFile line.

So, if you have a line 'DataStack -> DataStack.livecode' in the
stackFiles, and if there is a DataStack.livecode file next to the stack
containing that stackFiles line; a reference 'stack DataStack' will
*always* resolve and load the stack.


In my case, the issue happens in the IDE instead of a standalone, and 
there are no stackfiles set up anywhere. It's likely I'm doing something 
in the scripts that causes the stacks to remain in memory, but the 
scripts used to work in LC 6 and stopped working in LC 7.


But it isn't a huge issue for us, and providing you with a test suite 
would mean sending you a mountain of files...the stacks are built and/or 
updated from hundreds of text and image files on disk. But I'll be happy 
to do that if you like. :)


--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Richmond]

I've played with Blue Griffon as well, but as I use Kompozer on a G5 Mac 
running Mac OS 10.5

this is not an issue with me.

Also: if you bother to take a look you'll see that my website was 
updated about 4 years ago :)


Richmond.

On 17.10.2016 19:56, Marc Siskin wrote:

Richmond,

Kompozer is not currently being updated and it won’t run on macOS 10.12 due to 
security settings.  The replacement application I have found for Kompozer is 
called BlueGriffon which is available at http://bluegriffon.org/. It is 
cross-platform and the “unlicensed” version is fairly complete.  The license is 
€70 and its worth is up to you.

Marc Siskin

On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Richmond 
> wrote:

http://kompozer.net

Richmond.

On 17.10.2016 14:29, Randy Hengst wrote:
Hi All,

I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with HTML 
for 20+ years.

I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have found a review 
of several software options here:  
http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
 


Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?

Thanks for any thoughts.


be well,
randy

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0 DP 1

[Richmond]

Well; despite misgivings, I shall download it and see what awful things 
happen on my Xubuntu box.


Certainly should be exciting.

Richmond.

On 17.10.2016 19:54, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0 DP 1, a 
development preview of LiveCode 9.


You can find out more about the release in this blog post, including 
an update to our release numbering:

https://livecode.com/whats-new-in-livecode-9-dp-1/

Developer Preview Release
=
Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up 
your stacks before testing them.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or 
via the automatic updater.


Release Contents

Full release notes: 
https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_0_dp_1.pdf


Better code search
--
The IDE's code search tools are faster and work better for stacks that 
use behaviors heavily.


Improved "accept"
-
Set the "defaultNetworkInterface" property to control which network 
interfaces the "accept" command listens on.


Tab alignment info
--
Setting the "tabAlign" now affects the "htmlText" and "styledText" of 
the field.


Improved LCB compiler messages
--
Errors and warnings while compiling widgets now show you the code that 
caused the problem.



LiveCode 9.0 DP 1 contains 26 bug fixes along with many stability 
improvements.



Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered either to our support team 
 or on our BugZilla at

http://quality.livecode.com/


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Re: IDE Script Editor question...

[Peter Bogdanoff]

Right. I think it was Hypercard that used to reformat the whole script, and 
maybe earlier LC, but LC6 did only the single handler.

This became a big problem for me as I had the default text size set differently 
on different computers and LC didn’t automatically account for that, so the 
formatting was always off as I moved my work from machine to machine. I 
couldn’t take the time to go through and reformat everything.

HOWEVER, LC 8 seems to have fixed the issue with the scripts displaying 
incorrectly, so going through once seems to fix it forever.

Peter

On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Which is a change in prior behavior. It surprised me the first time I saw it. 
> Used to be the whole script reformatted with the tab key. Or am I crazy?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:08 , Paul Dupuis  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah ha. The insertion point must be INSIDE a handler and only re-indents
>> that handler when you press TAB
>> 
>> If the insertion point is between handlers or outside of any handler,
>> nothing happens. Ok, tab is useful, but something that reformatted ALL
>> handlers in a script would be even better.
>> 
>> Not perfect, but a step better than nothing. Thanks for the tip!
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/22/2016 4:17 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>>> Does pressing the tab key fix it for you?
>>> 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Paul Dupuis  wrote:
 
 I find myself periodically working with stacks where the individuals
 handlers come from a number of sources.
 
 Some of these sources have their script editor set to the default 3
 space indent. Some to 2 spaces, some to 4 spaces, etc.
 
 Is there any easy way to tell the script editor to RE-indent all the
 handlers in the current script using the current preference for indents?
 
 If not, can one of you coding wizards out there add this to the IDE? :-)
 
 
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Re: IDE Script Editor question...

[Mike Kerner]

Bob,
You could always make a plugin with a front script, or my favorite, the
patch script.


On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> Will this change be wiped next time I update LC? Id so, then this is why I
> don't like to make changes like this. It would make a nice feature addition
> though.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 17:13 , Richard Gaskin  mailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com>> wrote:
>
> Poking around in the SE I found an even simpler solution - replace line
> 3108 of "revSEEditorBehavior"
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LC 9 Test Forum

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi all. 

I've decided to get a bit more involved in the DP testing process this time 
around. Is there a forum to post results and get testing parameters from?

Bob S
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Todd Fabacher]

I can tell you #1 way to protect your site, is to change the wp-admin to
something else. it cut our attacks by 99%.

I plan on going over WP for the second webinar on WP REST API. Richard is
correct, WP is only as good as your setup.

But WP with the LiveCode WP REST API is a great solution. Take a look.

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Re: "\n" appearing in Unicode

[Bob Sneidar]

It's the newline replacement used in SQL, Applescript, others. It is possible 
that your data is using a combination of CR and LF, it's converting the CR but 
not the LF. 

Bob S


> On Sep 25, 2016, at 14:15 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
> wrote:
> 
> I have inserted quotes into a MySQL database. I thought I was careful to be 
> sure it was all Unicode encoded.
> 
> We ported the content over SQLite for use in an mobile app.
> 
> I can fetch the quotes and then run
> 
> put textDecode ( aSelectedQuotes[tNo]["content"], UTF8) into sQuote
> 
> 
> 
> Diacritical marks are coming through nicely but endlines are an issue:
> but we are getting this output into the var/field
> 
> His fleet feet dancing\n--
> next line here…. \n
> next line here\n
> next line here
> 
> Anyone know why this might be?
> 
> BR
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Re: itemOffset still not working

[Bob Sneidar]

Woot! Also, I think I will get more involved in the dev cycle this time. I am 
so hesitant to develop along 2 lines because my project is live. But I think I 
can work it out.

Bob S


On Sep 26, 2016, at 04:06 , Peter TB Brett 
> wrote:

On 23/09/2016 23:16, Bob Sneidar wrote:
put rContactRecord ["contacttype"] into tContactType -- verified is
"|it|" set the itemdelimiter to "|" set wholematches to true put
itemoffset(pType, tContactType) into tOffset -- verified pType is
"it" tOffset contains 0

I also used literals as in put itemoffset("it","|it|") into tOffset
tOffset still contains 0.

I tries using commas with the default itemdelimiter that doesn't
work. I replaced "|" with cr and used lineOffset that doesn't work.

Finally, I DELETED THE FIRST VERTICAL BAR AND THAT WORKED!

So this bug is about having an empty first item/line. In this case
offset will always return 0. Not good.

Yes I have submitted a bug report. I will update it, but hopefully I
can keep this from biting anyone else in the butt. It is also going
to make it really difficult to do LIKE queries on list columns.
Hopefully this gets fixed soon, because I depend on this kind of list
queries a LOT.

Hi Bob,

Your bug report is http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18343.
We've already got a fix for it, but unfortunately the fix wasn't quite
in time for the 8.1.1 cut off.  It will be included in 8.1.2.

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Re: How to stop LoveCode running in Edit mode

[Bob Sneidar]

I just keep another folder called PlugIns Disabled and drag problematic ones in 
there if I need to. Hearkens back to the old days of Extensions in Classic OS. 

Bob S


> On Sep 26, 2016, at 24:24 , Keith Clarke  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the tip, Mark. 
> 
> If one empties or renames one's Plugins folder in this way, should it empty 
> the IDE’s Plugins menu, as I still see Data Grid Helper, GoLiveNet, 
> RegExBuilder, revApplicationOverview, revExample, RevNavigator, revSmartSave, 
> revTabRuler and SmartProperties. These don’t all look like core, 
> LiveCode-supplied code, so I wonder how they are getting into this list and I 
> wonder if I need to purge any of them?
> Best,
> Keith..
> 
>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 17:15, Mark Wieder  wrote:
>> 
>> On 09/25/2016 04:31 AM, Keith Clarke wrote:
>> 
>>> Am I correct to assume that a clean LiveCode installation would have the 
>>> Plugins folder empty?
>> 
>> When I need to test without third-party plugins I just rename the Plugins 
>> folder to something like Pluginsx, do my testing, and revert to the original 
>> Plugins folder name.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Marc Siskin]

Richmond,

Kompozer is not currently being updated and it won’t run on macOS 10.12 due to 
security settings.  The replacement application I have found for Kompozer is 
called BlueGriffon which is available at http://bluegriffon.org/. It is 
cross-platform and the “unlicensed” version is fairly complete.  The license is 
€70 and its worth is up to you.

Marc Siskin

On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Richmond 
> wrote:

http://kompozer.net

Richmond.

On 17.10.2016 14:29, Randy Hengst wrote:
Hi All,

I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with HTML 
for 20+ years.

I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have found a 
review of several software options here:  
http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
 


Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?

Thanks for any thoughts.


be well,
randy

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[ANN] Release 9.0 DP 1

[Peter TB Brett]

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0 DP 1, a 
development preview of LiveCode 9.


You can find out more about the release in this blog post, including an 
update to our release numbering:

https://livecode.com/whats-new-in-livecode-9-dp-1/

Developer Preview Release
=
Warning: this is not a stable release.  Please ensure that you back up 
your stacks before testing them.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or 
via the automatic updater.


Release Contents

Full release notes: 
https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_0_dp_1.pdf


Better code search
--
The IDE's code search tools are faster and work better for stacks that 
use behaviors heavily.


Improved "accept"
-
Set the "defaultNetworkInterface" property to control which network 
interfaces the "accept" command listens on.


Tab alignment info
--
Setting the "tabAlign" now affects the "htmlText" and "styledText" of 
the field.


Improved LCB compiler messages
--
Errors and warnings while compiling widgets now show you the code that 
caused the problem.



LiveCode 9.0 DP 1 contains 26 bug fixes along with many stability 
improvements.



Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered either to our support team 
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http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
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Re: Random topic: What script font do you like/use?

[Bob Sneidar]

Oooh I DO like hack better! Small footprint too. 

Bob S


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 18:36 , Monte Goulding  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Source Code Pro is appealing.
> 
> We are contemplating bundling this with LiveCode as the default it seems to 
> be suitably licensed. Hack is also a pretty nice open source font 
> http://sourcefoundry.org/hack/ 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
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Re: IDE Script Editor question...

[Bob Sneidar]

Will this change be wiped next time I update LC? Id so, then this is why I 
don't like to make changes like this. It would make a nice feature addition 
though.

Bob S


On Sep 23, 2016, at 17:13 , Richard Gaskin 
> wrote:

Poking around in the SE I found an even simpler solution - replace line 3108 of 
"revSEEditorBehavior"

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Re: IDE Script Editor question...

[Bob Sneidar]

Which is a change in prior behavior. It surprised me the first time I saw it. 
Used to be the whole script reformatted with the tab key. Or am I crazy?

Bob S


> On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:08 , Paul Dupuis  wrote:
> 
> Ah ha. The insertion point must be INSIDE a handler and only re-indents
> that handler when you press TAB
> 
> If the insertion point is between handlers or outside of any handler,
> nothing happens. Ok, tab is useful, but something that reformatted ALL
> handlers in a script would be even better.
> 
> Not perfect, but a step better than nothing. Thanks for the tip!
> 
> 
> On 9/22/2016 4:17 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>> Does pressing the tab key fix it for you?
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Paul Dupuis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find myself periodically working with stacks where the individuals
>>> handlers come from a number of sources.
>>> 
>>> Some of these sources have their script editor set to the default 3
>>> space indent. Some to 2 spaces, some to 4 spaces, etc.
>>> 
>>> Is there any easy way to tell the script editor to RE-indent all the
>>> handlers in the current script using the current preference for indents?
>>> 
>>> If not, can one of you coding wizards out there add this to the IDE? :-)
>>> 
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Richmond]

http://kompozer.net

Richmond.

On 17.10.2016 14:29, Randy Hengst wrote:

Hi All,

I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with HTML 
for 20+ years.

I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have found a review 
of several software options here:  
http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
 


Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?

Thanks for any thoughts.


be well,
randy

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Re: Syntax: mouseUp mouseButtonNumber

[Bob Sneidar]

What the compiler is complaining about is likely that you cannot have a 
variable start with a number. This is essentially what Roger is doing with the 
parameter arguement. He is putting a parameter passed by the event into a 
variable called "2". I'm not sure this is a documentation issue, so much as a 
fundamental understanding issue. I know a lot about those kind! :-)

Bob S


> On Sep 22, 2016, at 17:26 , Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> On 09/22/2016 03:39 PM, Roger Eller wrote:
> 
>> Possibly.  But I learned long ago to never assume even the most basic
>> knowledge because "brain-farts" are a real problem.  ;)
> 
>  Very much agreed.
> 
> But this isn't a problem with the mouseUp handler per se. When you declare a 
> handler ("on xxx" or "function xxx") you can't give it explicit parameters at 
> that time. And the script compiler properly complains if you do. Instead you 
> give the parameter a name and can then use the name in the handler's code to 
> do something, as in Mike's example. All LC handlers work exactly this way, 
> and the mouseUp handler is no exception.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: How to ensure that 'close stack' destroys the stack in RAM?

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 3:39 AM, Mark Waddingham  wrote:

> The stackFiles property maps names of stacks to filenames - it basically
> means that when the engine resolves a chunk reference 'stack ', if
> there is no stack in memory with the name , then it will look through
> the stackFiles property of the stacks in memory to try and resolve it
> (starting with the stack of the script being executed). Furthermore, it
> resolves things relative to the path to the stack containing the stackFile
> line.


I think that I've finally figured out what happens in a sequence in 7.  My
main stack uses stored properties to load other stacks.  As near as I can
tell, a file didn't exist, but the director for it did..  The result for
this one of many is that the application browser shows the file as a loaded
main stack but clicking to open it causes it to disappear from that pane.

It's a rarely used stack so it took a long time to notice and gives me no
warning either that the load failed to succeed or that there is no stack as
I click.

I also see that when I have stack mystic of stack.a.livecode loaded, then
save it as stack.b.livecode, and even ad an explicit close for the old
filename, that it tends to lurk somewhere, and give the "what do you want
to do with  stack.b.ivecode before loading stack.a.livecode" when a should
be gone.

The only solution I've found is to quit and restart livecode



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Re: ANN: new glx2 script editor now on line

[Bob Sneidar]

Especially Clairvoyance. You want a way to not make typos in your code? 
Clairvoyance baby!

Bob S


> On Sep 24, 2016, at 07:34 , Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> I agree.  In fact, I like the built-in SE, but to have some of the glx2
> features in the flagship product would be awesome.  It can't be too
> paradigm-altering, but to allow optional features to to user-controlled in
> the preferences would be value added for sure.
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> On Sep 24, 2016 9:18 AM, "Mike Kerner"  wrote:
> 
>> So what would it take to get a bunch of glx2's features rolled into the SE
>> so we have one SE instead of two?  Theming, folding, breadcrumbs, folders,
>> revisions all are things that would be good to add to the SE, and it would
>> make it more compelling to have a single SE project.
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 09/23/2016 05:44 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>>> 
>>> I close the tab in LC SE…save the stack… click on the GLX2 to switch to
>>> GLX for editing.
>>> 
>>> Ah. I see what you did there.
>>> From the "known issues" section of the release notes:
>>> 
>>> "Swapping back and forth between glx2 and the IDE's script editor gets a
>>> bit wonky.
>>> "
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: ANN: new glx2 script editor now on line

[Bob Sneidar]

This also happened to me. Sorry for not reporting it. Since I am working on a 
"live" project, I just removed GLX2 and went back to using the built in script 
editor. I'll give the latest update another try.

Bob S


On Sep 23, 2016, at 17:44 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami 
> wrote:

is not there (he blinks twice in wonderment)

--go back to My LiveCode
-- remove GLX2 Code.rev

reboot LiveCode
open my stack
edit stack script… ahaha!  there it is…  my new handler *is* safe and sound in 
the stack script.

Very odd.

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Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Scott Morrow 
wrote:

> My brother lives on the other side of the country. I live across town. +1
> for Kay C Lan’s rant


But your brother is +1ing my solution :)


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Re: Artificial Evolution

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> Some might take this to be a minor point, but Darwinian Evolution relies
> on truely random point mutations followed by the process of natural
> selection. In this case a computer induces a change then evaluates the
> effects of that change. I would rather called this automated engineering.
>

I used to work with Genetic Algorithms and knew somme of the leading
figures.

A GA doesn't evaluate a trial solution so much as applies the solution to
generate a fitness score.  Higher scores are either more likely or
guaranteed a shot at reproducing in the next round.  It's the whole genetic
code rather than the mutation, that reproduces.


> Also, I wonder how many times in Darwinial evolution a species evolved a
> truely quantum leap in it's genetics, only to be wiped out by a flood or
> volcanic explosion, os simply got eaten by it's predator. :-)
>
> You get real world opportunism.

I had a parameter backwards, and the algorithm stabilized at a negative
price in an economic simulation--which was, in fact, the correct but
unanticipated result.

Ashlock was evolving simple code, and put in a random result as the penalty
for not reaching the end of the decision tree--and they adapted to use that
"hazard" as a synchronization mechanism to boost their scores. . .
 (repeated prisoner's dolman type situation)

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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Jeff Reynolds]

This is sooo true with Wordpress. So many hackbots out there going at every wp 
site they can find to punch at all known security holes (hosting companies and 
individuals don't always keep up wp security patches). Folks think hackers 
won't care about my puny site, but usually they are looking to get onto 
servers... A couple friends have been wp designers/developers for a long time 
and spend a lot of time and money on client's wp security issues.

Cheers,

Jeff

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:39 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> One problem i see with WordPress is, that its popularity make it a popular 
> target for hackers.


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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[pink]

I would toss in another vote for Rapidweaver. 

It is frequently included in bundles on sites like StackSocial and
Bundlehunt, and goes on sale occasionally... so unless you need it
immediately, you can get it cheap if you give it some time.

To get the most out of Rapidweaver, I highly recommend you get Stacks which
is a third party plugin that costs extra, and of course the stacks can cost
money as well.

The extra costs for stacks can add up, but there are so many great options.
Again, if you've got patience, you can find great bundle deals. Doobox has a
great selection, and they frequently offer very cheap bundles.



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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Richard Gaskin]

Matthias Rebbe wrote:

> One problem i see with WordPress is, that its popularity make it a
> popular target for hackers.

Any sufficiently popular system will be *targeted* by hackers.  The 
question is: how many result in a successful exploit?


Aiming for a target and actually hitting it are usually very different 
metrics.


I subscribe to a few security newsletters (I've found O'Reilly's 
particularly worthwhile), and CVEs against WP seem reasonably rare the 
days, with quickly deployed updates to counter them.  I see CVEs against 
every OS far more regularly.  While there was a spate of PHP issues just 
after the turn of the century, in recent years we don't even see much 
there, probably far fewer than for JavaScript which affects many more 
people (every web browser).


Popularity may guide hacks, but with WP it's also a very strong plus: 
the ecosystem of plugins and themes is vast.  And even on the security 
side, its popularity is useful by providing more eyeballs reviewing and 
fixing code.


Overall, I'd say WP is no less safe than just about any alternative, 
provided you do the basic stuff any system requires:  automate security 
updates, use only the latest release version, use strong and unique 
passwords, always use HTTPS (Let's Encypt now makes that both free and 
automatable), etc.


Ass we've seen with most exploits, those involving WP sites were usually 
running outdated versions, or had weak passwords, or some other 
easily-avoidable weakness unrelated to the system itself.


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Re: Distortion resizing group of vector graphics

[Bob Sneidar]

Yup. Otherwise you incur generational loss. Like editing and saving a JPEG 
multiple times on high compression. 

Bob S


> On Oct 1, 2016, at 18:39 , Scott Rossi  wrote:
> 
> The only method I've found to accomplish this is to store all original rects 
> before doing any scaling, and base all size computations on the stored 
> dimensions until the next resize event.  It requires a little effort, but it 
> works.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media UX/UI Design
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Alejandro Tejada  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Download the compressed stack "ResizeLivecodeGraphicsv01.livecode"
>> from this forum thread:
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=28042
>> 
>> Some years ago, I made this live resizing script for my stack
>> PenTool http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/?i=1
>> and now, I am trying to use this script for more general purposes,
>> like resizing all controls of an Interface... but after repeated
>> use, the script just distorts the size and position of all controls.
>> In the sample stack, these controls are vector graphics, but
>> could be fields, images, buttons, etc...
>> 
>> Could you share some ideas about how we could make this script
>> mathematically more robust to resize all controls without distorting
>> their size and position after repeated use?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Alejandro
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[James Little]

Hi Randy,

I recommend Karelia Software Sandvox 2.  It’s easy to learn with lots of help 
info.  It’s easy to switch between templates.  I’ve been able to add to and 
maintain 2 websites with many pages of content.  See the Macworld review. 

Best, 

Jim Little 
www.globalwarmingapps.org 
www.eatingforahealthyplanet.org 


On October 17, 2016 at 5:24:32 AM, Randy Hengst (iowahen...@mac.com) wrote:

Thank you, Keith.

I have to admit that because of my very limited knowledge in this area I had 
skipped Wordpress. My understanding was that it was software for “blog” 
building. However, given your comment, I’ll check it out.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
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> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Keith Clarke  wrote:
>  
> I used RapidWeaver for years and still maintain a couple of sites with it. 
> However, I haven’t taken up the most recent updates (to core, stacks and 
> add-ons) as most sites I created with it have since migrated to Wordpress, 
> which IMHO (and like it or loath it) is probably the de facto tool for point 
> & click sites now.
> Best,
> Keith..
>  
>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 13:09, Randy Hengst  wrote:
>>  
>> I had heard that the costs for using RapidWeaver will increase because of 
>> the “options.”
>>  
>> I hadn’t seen the Coffeecup Software option. I’ll check it out.  
>>  
>> Thank you, Jim.
>>  
>> be well,
>> randy
>>  
>> Randy Hengst
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Jim Kanter  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Another vote for Rapidweaver, but the extras do add up.
>>>  
>>> Coffeecup Software also has some excellent tools.
>>>  
>>> Freeway is oriented more to graphic designers and can be a little
>>> clumsy compared to more modern tools like Rapidweaver.
>>>  
>>> Macaw is no more.
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Matthias Rebbe
>>>  wrote:
 Hi,
  
 i can recommend RapidWeaver from Realmac Software 
 (https://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ 
 )
 There´s even a trial version available for download.
  
 There are a lot of free and paid 3rd party extensions, themes and stacks* 
 available for RW.
  
 *to use stacks you will need to purchase the Stacks plugin from YourHead 
 (http://yourhead.com ).
 There´s also a trial version available.
  
 I´ve created quite a lot of sites with it. I can send you the url of some 
 sites i´ve created. So you can see what can be done with it.
 Send me a private mail if you are interested. I do not want to post them 
 to the public.
  
  
 Regards,
 Matthias
  
  
> Am 17.10.2016 um 13:29 schrieb Randy Hengst  >:
>  
> Hi All,
>  
> I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with 
> HTML for 20+ years.
>  
> I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have 
> found a review of several software options here: 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
>  
> Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?
>  
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>  
>  
> be well,
> randy
>  
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com 
> 
>  
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Re: Artificial Evolution

[Bob Sneidar]

Some might take this to be a minor point, but Darwinian Evolution relies on 
truely random point mutations followed by the process of natural selection. In 
this case a computer induces a change then evaluates the effects of that 
change. I would rather called this automated engineering. 

Also, I wonder how many times in Darwinial evolution a species evolved a truely 
quantum leap in it's genetics, only to be wiped out by a flood or volcanic 
explosion, os simply got eaten by it's predator. :-)

Bob S


> On Oct 2, 2016, at 20:12 , Roger Guay  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone out there doing anything like this in LiveCode? For those who don’t 
> know what Artificial Evolution is check this out:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna
> 
> 
> Thanks and cheers,
> 
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Re: Reset the foreground color

[Bob Sneidar]

Right. Not only does the "Field" have the property, but now the text itself can 
have the property. Text without the property set will take on the field 
property, and if that is not set it will take on the text properties of the 
stack. 

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:06 , Ludovic THEBAULT  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've a field where i change color of some chars by script.
> If i want to "reset" the color of all my text this code doesn't work :
> 
> set the foregroundcolor of fld "myText" to black
> 
> I really need to do a repeat on all chars ???
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: Recursive Script

[Bob Sneidar]

I don't recall if I thanked you for this. Thank you. 

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:41 , Paul Dupuis  wrote:
> 
> Here is an example:
> 
> function listDatagrids pObject
>  local dataGridList
>  repeat with i=1 to the number of groups of pObject
>if grp i of pObject is a datagrid then -- fix this line
>  put whatever data on the datagrid & return after dataGridList --
> fix this line
>else
>  put listDataGrids(long ID of grp i of pObject) into childList
>  if childList is not empty then put childList & return after
> dataGridList
>end if
>  end repeat
>  return dataGridList
> end listDataGrids
> 
> there are 2 lines you need to fix - one is how to tell a grp is a
> datagrid. I recall a property or API you can check, but didn't have the
> datagrid PDF handy.
> The other is whatever info (short name, long ID, etc. you want for each
> datagrid
> 
> Call it with the long id of the card. As in:
> 
> put listDatagrids(long id of cd x of stack y) into myListOfDatagrids
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Re: Pointers

[Bob Sneidar]

My understanding has been that handles became necessary when OS systems began 
to do memory housekeeping. A pointer might be viable before the housekeeping, 
and afterwards not. Handles allowed the system to re-reference the new location 
of the data in memory. 


> On Oct 15, 2016, at 07:48 , Colin Holgate  wrote:
> 
> The difficulty with pointers and handles was that with one you could get 
> straight at the value you wanted, and the other you had to dereference it 
> first. Meaning, that you were the one who had to understand whether you were 
> dealing with a pointer or a handle. Computers ought to take care of those 
> things for you.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Mike Kerner  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know why you would have a problem with that;
>> Once you understand how to use pointers, you should have no problems with
>> handles;
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Re: 9.0???

[Bob Sneidar]

Clean the cheese dip out of your microphone implant, it will work better. 

Bob S


> On Oct 1, 2016, at 13:40 , Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Peter M. Brigham  wrote:
> 
>> By LC20 I’ll expect that creating a new app will go something like this:
>> 
>> “computer, create new app for tracking my B & B rentals.”
>> “what input modes will you want?”
>> “verbal, database, keyboard”
>> “integrate with AirBNB?”
>> “yes"
>> “name of app?”
>> “MyGuests”
>> “Done. You may begin using the MyGuests app now.”
>> 
>> — Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmb...@gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> Here's how it will really go...
> 
> “computer, create new app for tracking my B & B rentals.”
> “what input modes will you want?”
> “verbal, database, keyboard”
> “Creating herbal Santa face beat chord.”
> (Christmas music begins to play while an herbal fragrance is sprayed into
> your face)
> 
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Re: 9.0???

[Bob Sneidar]

Too late Richmond. ;-P

Bob S


> On Sep 30, 2016, at 23:14 , Richmond  wrote:
> 
> Why do I get a funny feeling that those numbers (6,7,8,9 . . .) get closer 
> and closer together.
> 
> Is this supposed to give the impression of a logarhythmic curve of features 
> and development?
> 
> Why does it make me ask a few questions I'm not going to write here because I 
> don't
> want to be categorised as a sour-puss?
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 30.09.2016 18:53, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> Whoa.  They're working on LC 9 (rubs hands together while quietly
>> snickering to self)
>> 
> 
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Re: Pointers

[Bob Sneidar]

I was kidding. I gave up on Pascal when I got to building GUI's and using the 
system API's. I saw immediately that unless I was going to program for a 
living, it was all just too much to assimilate along with everything else 
pertaining to IT that I had to know day to day.

Bob S


On Oct 15, 2016, at 07:38 , Mike Kerner 
> wrote:

I don't know why you would have a problem with that;
Once you understand how to use pointers, you should have no problems with
handles;

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Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

[Bob Sneidar]

You misunderstood me. By point and click I was referring to the way you MUST 
program in Filemaker. There is no scripting language for Filemaker, and the 
result is that something that would take you a half a minute to do with a few 
lines of code take 5 minutes in Filemaker. I was not referring to the GUI 
building feature present in both.

Bob S


On Oct 15, 2016, at 05:01 , Richmond 
> wrote:



On 15.10.2016 07:14, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Filemaker has a point and click programming interface. It just gets in the way. 
I spent more time perusing the dialog and sub-dialog boxes to try and figure 
out how to add 1 to a variable that contains 1, that I found myself saying, 
"Can't I just type a formula??"

I gave up on Filemaker.

Bob S


On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:22 , Richard Gaskin 
>
 wrote:

Like Bill Appleton told me shortly after he left his point-and-click authoring 
tool CourseBuilder behind to make SuperCard, there's a limit on the complexity 
of systems that can be expressed clearly in any point-and-click UI, and 
ultimately code becomes the more readable option for any but the most trivial 
of programs.

After all, how many point-and-click tools used their point-and-click tool to 
build their IDE? :)

Today most of the point-and-click are gone, even the industry-leading 
Authorware, while scripting language have taken over much of the world to 
dominate applications development.

Well, where does that put Livecode?

Or, rather, are you, Richard Gaskin, suggesting that Livecode should be 
shedding its point-and-click
heritage in favour of becoming a scripting-only language?

While I am sure that is possible, at that point all the hard work that Kevin 
Miller did to extend
the WYSIWYG aspect of MetaCard will go for nothing, and a very large part of 
what makes Livecode so
strong will be lost.
*
**Livecode* is not a point-and-click authoring tool, and nor is it something 
like C++; but it can be seen
as a *hybrid* of these two extremes, where end-users can choose where along 
that*point-and-click to**
**scripting language continuum* they want to work.

If Livecode's point-and-click interface "just gets in the way" there is no 
earthly reason why one cannot do the whole thing by scripting alone [frankly, 
making buttons, fields and other "furniture" by scripting
seems, after years of Livecode 'as it is', unnecessarily tedious], but that 
doesn't mean it has to
whither-and-die like some sort of Marxist waning away of the state, especially 
when it is a great strength of Livecode.

Richmond.


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tsNetInit and LiveCode server

[Ralf Bitter]

Is the tsNet external working with LiveCode server?

Did tests using server version 8.1.1 rc2 on Mac OS X 10.11.6.
Seems that initialization (tsNetInit) doesn't work.
The result of tsNetGetSync is "tsneterr: Not initialised" although
tsNetInit is called prior to calling any other tsNet handlers as
described in the docs.


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Re: How to ensure that 'close stack' destroys the stack in RAM?

[Bob Sneidar]

Perhaps the rule of thumb is never use two stacks with the same name in the 
same project. You may want to give the template stack a different name, then 
store the name of whichever stack you want to work with in a variable, then 
update all references to that stack to use the variable. 

Bob S


> On Oct 17, 2016, at 07:07 , Graham Samuel  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mark for that intervention. In the way this is a gotcha that should be 
> better documented, since one **must** populate the stackFiles property as a 
> side effect of including the stacks in the project in its standalone settings 
> - the information in the list of stacks to be included is exactly the 
> contents of the stackFiles property, at least initially. If say this contains 
> (as mine does) a template stack that’s got to go into the resources folder of 
> the standalone, then I have no choice but to tell the standalone builder 
> about it. To achieve what I want - the ability to close a stack which is in 
> effect a clone of this template and remove it from RAM, just as the IDE is 
> able to do - I will have to delete the reference to to the template stack in 
> the stackFiles property, and rely on the program’s own knowledge of where the 
> template is stored. I’m slightly surprised that this hasn’t come up before. 
> It occurs to me that there may be a solution in renaming the template stack 
> as soon as it is cloned, but I haven’t tried it.
> 
> Finally I should say that the Dictionary entry for ‘the stackFiles’ is a bit 
> inadequate, as it doesn’t mention the interaction between the standalone 
> builder and the property. Maybe this amounts to a bug, if only in the 
> documentation!
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:39, Mark Waddingham  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2016-10-17 11:15, Graham Samuel wrote:
>>> Thanks Jacque - wise words as always. The idea that the delete would
>>> work depending on whether the stack was newly created had not occurred
>>> to me, but seems like a good reason why my simplified tests didn’t
>>> show the problem. I will try again to create a simple demo, and
>>> hopefully I can file a bug report.
>> 
>> Thanks for the bug report 
>> (http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18612) - I was a bit puzzled 
>> about the situation you and Jacque described until I saw your code.
>> 
>> This isn't in fact a bug, just a subtle interaction with the stackFiles 
>> property of your 'Master' stack.
>> 
>> The stackFiles property maps names of stacks to filenames - it basically 
>> means that when the engine resolves a chunk reference 'stack ', if 
>> there is no stack in memory with the name , then it will look through 
>> the stackFiles property of the stacks in memory to try and resolve it 
>> (starting with the stack of the script being executed). Furthermore, it 
>> resolves things relative to the path to the stack containing the stackFile 
>> line.
>> 
>> So, if you have a line 'DataStack -> DataStack.livecode' in the stackFiles, 
>> and if there is a DataStack.livecode file next to the stack containing that 
>> stackFiles line; a reference 'stack DataStack' will *always* resolve and 
>> load the stack.
>> 
>> Essentially, asking whether 'stack DataStack' or not exists doesn't work, 
>> because referencing the stack causes it to.
>> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> -- 
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>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
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Re: How to ensure that 'close stack' destroys the stack in RAM?

[Graham Samuel]

Thanks Mark for that intervention. In the way this is a gotcha that should be 
better documented, since one **must** populate the stackFiles property as a 
side effect of including the stacks in the project in its standalone settings - 
the information in the list of stacks to be included is exactly the contents of 
the stackFiles property, at least initially. If say this contains (as mine 
does) a template stack that’s got to go into the resources folder of the 
standalone, then I have no choice but to tell the standalone builder about it. 
To achieve what I want - the ability to close a stack which is in effect a 
clone of this template and remove it from RAM, just as the IDE is able to do - 
I will have to delete the reference to to the template stack in the stackFiles 
property, and rely on the program’s own knowledge of where the template is 
stored. I’m slightly surprised that this hasn’t come up before. It occurs to me 
that there may be a solution in renaming the template stack as soon as it is 
cloned, but I haven’t tried it.

Finally I should say that the Dictionary entry for ‘the stackFiles’ is a bit 
inadequate, as it doesn’t mention the interaction between the standalone 
builder and the property. Maybe this amounts to a bug, if only in the 
documentation!

Thanks again

Graham


> On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:39, Mark Waddingham  wrote:
> 
> On 2016-10-17 11:15, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> Thanks Jacque - wise words as always. The idea that the delete would
>> work depending on whether the stack was newly created had not occurred
>> to me, but seems like a good reason why my simplified tests didn’t
>> show the problem. I will try again to create a simple demo, and
>> hopefully I can file a bug report.
> 
> Thanks for the bug report (http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18612) 
> - I was a bit puzzled about the situation you and Jacque described until I 
> saw your code.
> 
> This isn't in fact a bug, just a subtle interaction with the stackFiles 
> property of your 'Master' stack.
> 
> The stackFiles property maps names of stacks to filenames - it basically 
> means that when the engine resolves a chunk reference 'stack ', if 
> there is no stack in memory with the name , then it will look through 
> the stackFiles property of the stacks in memory to try and resolve it 
> (starting with the stack of the script being executed). Furthermore, it 
> resolves things relative to the path to the stack containing the stackFile 
> line.
> 
> So, if you have a line 'DataStack -> DataStack.livecode' in the stackFiles, 
> and if there is a DataStack.livecode file next to the stack containing that 
> stackFiles line; a reference 'stack DataStack' will *always* resolve and load 
> the stack.
> 
> Essentially, asking whether 'stack DataStack' or not exists doesn't work, 
> because referencing the stack causes it to.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Matthias Rebbe]

One problem i see with WordPress is, that its popularity make it a popular 
target for hackers.

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BR5 Konverter - BR5 -> MP3 
> Am 17.10.2016 um 14:23 schrieb Randy Hengst :
> 
> Thank you, Keith.
> 
> I have to admit that because of my very limited knowledge in this area I had 
> skipped Wordpress. My understanding was that it was software for “blog” 
> building. However, given your comment, I’ll check it out.
> 
> be well,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Keith Clarke  wrote:
>> 
>> I used RapidWeaver for years and still maintain a couple of sites with it. 
>> However, I haven’t taken up the most recent updates (to core, stacks and 
>> add-ons) as most sites I created with it have since migrated to Wordpress, 
>> which IMHO (and like it or loath it) is probably the de facto tool for point 
>> & click sites now.
>> Best,
>> Keith..
>> 
>>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 13:09, Randy Hengst  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had heard that the costs for using RapidWeaver will increase because of 
>>> the “options.”
>>> 
>>> I hadn’t seen the Coffeecup Software option. I’ll check it out. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Jim.
>>> 
>>> be well,
>>> randy
>>> 
>>> Randy Hengst
>>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Jim Kanter  wrote:
 
 Another vote for Rapidweaver, but the extras do add up.
 
 Coffeecup Software also has some excellent tools.
 
 Freeway is oriented more to graphic designers and can be a little
 clumsy compared to more modern tools like Rapidweaver.
 
 Macaw is no  more.
 
 On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Matthias Rebbe
  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i can recommend RapidWeaver from Realmac Software 
> (https://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ 
> )
> There´s even a trial version available for download.
> 
> There are a lot of free and paid 3rd party extensions, themes and stacks* 
> available for RW.
> 
> *to use stacks you will need to purchase the Stacks plugin from YourHead 
> (http://yourhead.com ).
> There´s also a trial version available.
> 
> I´ve created quite a lot of sites with it. I can send you the url of some 
> sites i´ve created. So you can see what can be done with it.
> Send me a private mail if you are interested. I do not want to post them 
> to the public.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 17.10.2016 um 13:29 schrieb Randy Hengst > >:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with 
>> HTML for 20+ years.
>> 
>> I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have 
>> found a review of several software options here:  
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >
>> 
>> Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>> be well,
>> randy
>> 
>> Randy Hengst
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

[Roger Eller]

On Oct 16, 2016 1:06 AM, "Kay C Lan"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Richmond 
wrote:
>
> > I would argue that you can do all of that within Livecode, thereby
avoiding
> > a hiatus as you get kids to transfer.
> >
> And surely that's exactly the same argument as those who questions the
> relevance of playing with a toy language like LiveCode when you could
> just start with a real language like C, C++ etc.

I started with HyperCard, migrated to MetaCard, then Revolution, which
became LiveCode.  I have dabbled in AppleScript, DOS batch scripts, VMS
scripts, but always return to the language I started with, in its modern
form (LiveCode).

I don't WANT to ever have to learn C or C++!  I don't want a GUI only
language because it would be as limited as painting in MS-Word.  Nor would
I want to start with something so easy that I have a false sense of what
programming is, then have to learn something completely different and more
difficult.  Start with basic LC, and gradually build on those skills in ONE
great language - LiveCode.  /2 cents

~Roger

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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Keith Clarke]

Wordpress started as a blogging platform but support for regular pages is very 
good, as is it’s forums, should you get stuck. There are a fair few sites in 
the Wordpress showcase that illustrate its breadth and depth 
https://wordpress.org/showcase/ 

It does need a database, but a lot of hosting providers use automated tools to 
enable Wordpress to be installed & configured with a few clicks. Indeed, if you 
have an on-rev account, you can add Wordpress to your primary on-rev domain or 
any addon domains using softaculous from C-Panel.

BTW if you want to take a more DIY approach, I use Coda when hand-made pages 
are required https://panic.com/coda/ 
Good luck with your quest.
Best,
Keith.. 
 
> On 17 Oct 2016, at 13:23, Randy Hengst  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Keith.
> 
> I have to admit that because of my very limited knowledge in this area I had 
> skipped Wordpress. My understanding was that it was software for “blog” 
> building. However, given your comment, I’ll check it out.
> 
> be well,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Keith Clarke  wrote:
>> 
>> I used RapidWeaver for years and still maintain a couple of sites with it. 
>> However, I haven’t taken up the most recent updates (to core, stacks and 
>> add-ons) as most sites I created with it have since migrated to Wordpress, 
>> which IMHO (and like it or loath it) is probably the de facto tool for point 
>> & click sites now.
>> Best,
>> Keith..
>> 
>>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 13:09, Randy Hengst  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had heard that the costs for using RapidWeaver will increase because of 
>>> the “options.”
>>> 
>>> I hadn’t seen the Coffeecup Software option. I’ll check it out. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Jim.
>>> 
>>> be well,
>>> randy
>>> 
>>> Randy Hengst
>>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Jim Kanter  wrote:
 
 Another vote for Rapidweaver, but the extras do add up.
 
 Coffeecup Software also has some excellent tools.
 
 Freeway is oriented more to graphic designers and can be a little
 clumsy compared to more modern tools like Rapidweaver.
 
 Macaw is no  more.
 
 On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Matthias Rebbe
  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i can recommend RapidWeaver from Realmac Software 
> (https://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ 
> )
> There´s even a trial version available for download.
> 
> There are a lot of free and paid 3rd party extensions, themes and stacks* 
> available for RW.
> 
> *to use stacks you will need to purchase the Stacks plugin from YourHead 
> (http://yourhead.com ).
> There´s also a trial version available.
> 
> I´ve created quite a lot of sites with it. I can send you the url of some 
> sites i´ve created. So you can see what can be done with it.
> Send me a private mail if you are interested. I do not want to post them 
> to the public.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 17.10.2016 um 13:29 schrieb Randy Hengst > >:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with 
>> HTML for 20+ years.
>> 
>> I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have 
>> found a review of several software options here:  
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >
>> 
>> Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>> be well,
>> randy
>> 
>> Randy Hengst
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Randy Hengst]

Thank you, Keith.

I have to admit that because of my very limited knowledge in this area I had 
skipped Wordpress. My understanding was that it was software for “blog” 
building. However, given your comment, I’ll check it out.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com



> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Keith Clarke  wrote:
> 
> I used RapidWeaver for years and still maintain a couple of sites with it. 
> However, I haven’t taken up the most recent updates (to core, stacks and 
> add-ons) as most sites I created with it have since migrated to Wordpress, 
> which IMHO (and like it or loath it) is probably the de facto tool for point 
> & click sites now.
> Best,
> Keith..
> 
>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 13:09, Randy Hengst  wrote:
>> 
>> I had heard that the costs for using RapidWeaver will increase because of 
>> the “options.”
>> 
>> I hadn’t seen the Coffeecup Software option. I’ll check it out. 
>> 
>> Thank you, Jim.
>> 
>> be well,
>> randy
>> 
>> Randy Hengst
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Jim Kanter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another vote for Rapidweaver, but the extras do add up.
>>> 
>>> Coffeecup Software also has some excellent tools.
>>> 
>>> Freeway is oriented more to graphic designers and can be a little
>>> clumsy compared to more modern tools like Rapidweaver.
>>> 
>>> Macaw is no  more.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Matthias Rebbe
>>>  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 i can recommend RapidWeaver from Realmac Software 
 (https://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ 
 )
 There´s even a trial version available for download.
 
 There are a lot of free and paid 3rd party extensions, themes and stacks* 
 available for RW.
 
 *to use stacks you will need to purchase the Stacks plugin from YourHead 
 (http://yourhead.com ).
 There´s also a trial version available.
 
 I´ve created quite a lot of sites with it. I can send you the url of some 
 sites i´ve created. So you can see what can be done with it.
 Send me a private mail if you are interested. I do not want to post them 
 to the public.
 
 
 Regards,
 Matthias
 
 
> Am 17.10.2016 um 13:29 schrieb Randy Hengst  >:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with 
> HTML for 20+ years.
> 
> I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have 
> found a review of several software options here:  
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
> 
> Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts.
> 
> 
> be well,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Keith Clarke]

I used RapidWeaver for years and still maintain a couple of sites with it. 
However, I haven’t taken up the most recent updates (to core, stacks and 
add-ons) as most sites I created with it have since migrated to Wordpress, 
which IMHO (and like it or loath it) is probably the de facto tool for point & 
click sites now.
Best,
Keith..

> On 17 Oct 2016, at 13:09, Randy Hengst  wrote:
> 
> I had heard that the costs for using RapidWeaver will increase because of the 
> “options.”
> 
> I hadn’t seen the Coffeecup Software option. I’ll check it out. 
> 
> Thank you, Jim.
> 
> be well,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Jim Kanter  wrote:
>> 
>> Another vote for Rapidweaver, but the extras do add up.
>> 
>> Coffeecup Software also has some excellent tools.
>> 
>> Freeway is oriented more to graphic designers and can be a little
>> clumsy compared to more modern tools like Rapidweaver.
>> 
>> Macaw is no  more.
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Matthias Rebbe
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> i can recommend RapidWeaver from Realmac Software 
>>> (https://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ 
>>> )
>>> There´s even a trial version available for download.
>>> 
>>> There are a lot of free and paid 3rd party extensions, themes and stacks* 
>>> available for RW.
>>> 
>>> *to use stacks you will need to purchase the Stacks plugin from YourHead 
>>> (http://yourhead.com ).
>>> There´s also a trial version available.
>>> 
>>> I´ve created quite a lot of sites with it. I can send you the url of some 
>>> sites i´ve created. So you can see what can be done with it.
>>> Send me a private mail if you are interested. I do not want to post them to 
>>> the public.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
 Am 17.10.2016 um 13:29 schrieb Randy Hengst >:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with 
 HTML for 20+ years.
 
 I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have found 
 a review of several software options here:  
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
  
 
  
 >
 
 Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?
 
 Thanks for any thoughts.
 
 
 be well,
 randy
 
 Randy Hengst
 www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Randy Hengst]

I had heard that the costs for using RapidWeaver will increase because of the 
“options.”

I hadn’t seen the Coffeecup Software option. I’ll check it out. 

Thank you, Jim.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com



> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Jim Kanter  wrote:
> 
> Another vote for Rapidweaver, but the extras do add up.
> 
> Coffeecup Software also has some excellent tools.
> 
> Freeway is oriented more to graphic designers and can be a little
> clumsy compared to more modern tools like Rapidweaver.
> 
> Macaw is no  more.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Matthias Rebbe
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> i can recommend RapidWeaver from Realmac Software 
>> (https://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ 
>> )
>> There´s even a trial version available for download.
>> 
>> There are a lot of free and paid 3rd party extensions, themes and stacks* 
>> available for RW.
>> 
>> *to use stacks you will need to purchase the Stacks plugin from YourHead 
>> (http://yourhead.com ).
>> There´s also a trial version available.
>> 
>> I´ve created quite a lot of sites with it. I can send you the url of some 
>> sites i´ve created. So you can see what can be done with it.
>> Send me a private mail if you are interested. I do not want to post them to 
>> the public.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 17.10.2016 um 13:29 schrieb Randy Hengst >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with 
>>> HTML for 20+ years.
>>> 
>>> I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have found 
>>> a review of several software options here:  
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> >>  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> be well,
>>> randy
>>> 
>>> Randy Hengst
>>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com 
>>> 
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Jim Kanter]

Another vote for Rapidweaver, but the extras do add up.

Coffeecup Software also has some excellent tools.

Freeway is oriented more to graphic designers and can be a little
clumsy compared to more modern tools like Rapidweaver.

Macaw is no  more.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Matthias Rebbe
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i can recommend RapidWeaver from Realmac Software 
> (https://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ 
> )
> There´s even a trial version available for download.
>
> There are a lot of free and paid 3rd party extensions, themes and stacks* 
> available for RW.
>
> *to use stacks you will need to purchase the Stacks plugin from YourHead 
> (http://yourhead.com ).
> There´s also a trial version available.
>
> I´ve created quite a lot of sites with it. I can send you the url of some 
> sites i´ve created. So you can see what can be done with it.
> Send me a private mail if you are interested. I do not want to post them to 
> the public.
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>> Am 17.10.2016 um 13:29 schrieb Randy Hengst > >:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with 
>> HTML for 20+ years.
>>
>> I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have found a 
>> review of several software options here:  
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >
>>
>> Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice?
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>
>>
>> be well,
>> randy
>>
>> Randy Hengst
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com 
>>
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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Matthias Rebbe]

Hi,

i can recommend RapidWeaver from Realmac Software 
(https://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ 
)
There´s even a trial version available for download.

There are a lot of free and paid 3rd party extensions, themes and stacks* 
available for RW.

*to use stacks you will need to purchase the Stacks plugin from YourHead 
(http://yourhead.com ).
There´s also a trial version available.

I´ve created quite a lot of sites with it. I can send you the url of some sites 
i´ve created. So you can see what can be done with it.
Send me a private mail if you are interested. I do not want to post them to the 
public.


Regards,
Matthias


> Am 17.10.2016 um 13:29 schrieb Randy Hengst  >:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with HTML 
> for 20+ years.
> 
> I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have found a 
> review of several software options here:  
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
> 
> Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice? 
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts.
> 
> 
> be well,
> randy
> 
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com 
> 
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[OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Randy Hengst]

Hi All,

I’ve begun exploring maintaining my website myself. I’ve not messed with HTML 
for 20+ years.

I’m looking for a “construction set” for getting this going and have found a 
review of several software options here:  
http://www.macworld.com/article/2984967/software-web/web-design-review-roundup-our-favorite-mac-apps-for-building-a-website.html
 


Is anyone using a software package they can recommend to a total novice? 

Thanks for any thoughts.


be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com


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Re: LC Server: Getting a file list when filenames use UTF8

[Ralf Bitter]

Seems that I can confirm your findings.
Did a test on diesel using server version 8.1.1-rc-2.
If there is a file "こんにちは.txt" the file list retrieved
is empty. To get a file list I have to remove the
Japanese file.


Ralf


> On 17.10.2016, at 10:21, Tim Selander  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Using LC server as installed in my on-rev account.
> 
> This script
>  set the defaultfolder to "/home/server-name/public_html/selander/201610"
> put the files
> ?>
> 
> Only returns files with English filenames to the resulting web page. Japanese 
> (utf8) filenames are ignored. If I change one of the Japanese filenames to 
> English, then it appears. If I change it back to Japanese, it reverts to not 
> appearing.
> 
> Any hints?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan


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Re: How to ensure that 'close stack' destroys the stack in RAM?

[Mark Waddingham]

On 2016-10-17 11:15, Graham Samuel wrote:

Thanks Jacque - wise words as always. The idea that the delete would
work depending on whether the stack was newly created had not occurred
to me, but seems like a good reason why my simplified tests didn’t
show the problem. I will try again to create a simple demo, and
hopefully I can file a bug report.


Thanks for the bug report 
(http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18612) - I was a bit 
puzzled about the situation you and Jacque described until I saw your 
code.


This isn't in fact a bug, just a subtle interaction with the stackFiles 
property of your 'Master' stack.


The stackFiles property maps names of stacks to filenames - it basically 
means that when the engine resolves a chunk reference 'stack ', if 
there is no stack in memory with the name , then it will look 
through the stackFiles property of the stacks in memory to try and 
resolve it (starting with the stack of the script being executed). 
Furthermore, it resolves things relative to the path to the stack 
containing the stackFile line.


So, if you have a line 'DataStack -> DataStack.livecode' in the 
stackFiles, and if there is a DataStack.livecode file next to the stack 
containing that stackFiles line; a reference 'stack DataStack' will 
*always* resolve and load the stack.


Essentially, asking whether 'stack DataStack' or not exists doesn't 
work, because referencing the stack causes it to.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 55

[Peter TB Brett]

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

Read issue #55 here: https://goo.gl/Klu93f


This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project.  New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays.  We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
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Re: where files are copied to in a Mac standalone - changed in 8.1?

[Graham Samuel]

Confirmed, at least on my Mac. Reported (bug 8619). Means code in the IDE has 
to be different from code in the standalone, which defeats the purpose of the 
handy wheeze mentioned by Jacqu, you might think!

Graham

> On 16 Oct 2016, at 23:58, I wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that very interesting observation Jacque. Since reading your mail 
> I’ve been using this new arrangement, but I **think** I’ve just noticed that 
> 
>  specialFolderPath(“resources”) 
> 
> generates a path with a “/“ at the end in a standalone, but omits the “/“ 
> when in the IDE. Maybe I’m just a bit tired - it’s late here. If it’s true 
> though, it must be a bug.
> 
> Someone might like to test this, or I will tomorrow.
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2016, at 07:22, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
>> 
>> On 10/13/16 6:17 PM, Curtis Ford wrote:
>>> I've just made a new module for this client with largely the same code;
>>> now LiveCode 8.1 saves the files in Contents > Resources > _MacOS > media.
>>> 
>>> So the standalone doesn't find the sound files unless I move them
>>> manually after doing 'show contents' in the Finder.
>>> 
>>> Is this a bug, or should I be setting the path differently now?
>> 
>> Apple now requires all resources to be in a separate folder. Nothing is 
>> allowed in the engine folder except the executable. We now have a new 
>> specialFolderPath("resources") to access that folder.
>> 
>> Instead of parsing a path from the engine folder, use:
>> 
>> specialFolderPath("resources") & "/media/" & gMediaPath
>> 
>> Everything in the Copy Files pane of the standalone settings now gets put 
>> into specialFolderPath("resources").
>> 
>> In the IDE, the resources folder is the one that contains your mainstack. 
>> This is handy because you can keep the same hierarchy in your working folder 
>> and the specialFolderPath still works there.
>> 
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Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

[Richmond]

I live right at the other extreme of Europe from my parents: they live 
in England, I live
in Bulgaria: but with the use of Skype, e-mail and Facebook we all (i.e. 
the 23-odd ancient

pensioners I "support" with Linux) do just fine.

Richmond.

On 17.10.2016 01:20, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kay C Lan  wrote:


We (my wife and I) live 9hr flight time away from our parents.


The trick here is to have your little brother living a couple of miles from
your parents, so that *he* gets the tech calls instead of you.

:)

Works for me, although some of the oddities still filter down . . .





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Re: Supercard 4.8 public beta

[Richmond]

Here's something for the 80 year olds:

My Mum and Dad, who are 86 and 84 respectively, run Xubuntu on their 12 
year old
Toshiba laptop: several of their friends (also in their 80s) run Linux 
distros.


Frankly none of them know nothing more that "bung in the install disk" . . .

They have all converted over the last 10-12 years from Windows as the 
fag of trotting
round to the "Fixit" shop, and forking out moolah for that, every month 
has just got

too much.

They don't seem to have any problems at all: between them they employ 
XFCE, Cinnamon and

MATE as desktops.

I am their "support calls" bloke: and in the last 10 years I have had 7 
support calls, which from
23 computers running Linux with 80 year old end-users seems pretty 
damn-good.


The first thing to tell Octagenarians is: "Now's the time to sit up and 
take notice instead

of going senile." works a charm!

Richmond.

On 17.10.2016 00:58, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Roger Eller
 wrote:

In regards to "recording" actions to script, my first experience was in Mac
OS 6.  The finder had a menu item called "macro" that could record, save,
and playback every click, drag, move, cut, copy, paste, and typed text that
was performed in the GUI.  This was in 1991, btw.  But it wasn't revealed
to the end user as a script, and could only be changed by re-recording the
actions.  Still very powerful for its time!


Yes, and it also included the ability to hi-light something by using
the screen version of a hi-lighter to underline something important or
circle something important. The Help system used it and most software
that came out at the time also used it. If you did a Help search for
'turn off extensions' the Help system would come up with the text
explanation of how to do it, but at the bottom would be a hyperlink
'show me'. Clicking on it would result in a hi-lighter circle being
drawn around the Apple menu item, the mouse would then move up there
and click on it, the Control Panels menu option would then be
underlined to hi-light it and the mouse would move down to select
it... etc, etc. As you say, very powerful and the precursor to
AppleScript.

And for Richmond,

here's a not so entertaining or fun exercise to try: give a Linux box
and cheap android phone to a bunch of Octogenarians and see how long
they last before the 'support calls' start piling up. In my opinion
Linux is only suitable for those who are geeks; and any comments about
how 'easy and great Linux is' by anyone who's done any sort of
Computer studies at any sort of educational institution is completely
irrelevant - because they have little clue on how daunting and foreign
this stuff is to the elderly.

We (my wife and I) live 9hr flight time away from our parents. My in
laws use to have MS desktops and android mobile devices because my
brothers-in-law all follow the same 'too expensive' logic. They were
constantly over at their parents place fix things and showing them how
to do things. Mobile devices were a particular bane because my in-laws
travel a lot and they just never seemed to work when they needed too.
The went through multiple different 'set-ups' including several in the
popular EeePCs range. Every time we visit it's the same, can you have
look at this, can you fix that, how do you do this. We eventually got
sick and tired of it so we bought them some iPhones and iPads. No more
support calls - for the mobiles, they still have their Windows
desktops. It's chalk and cheese, we are now inundated with emails,
blogs, facebook posts, photos and movies of all the minutiae of their
travels, including the most irritating of all, food photos. The iPhone
4 and iPad 2 are still working for them nicely and have outlasted
anything they've owned before - not that the previous purchases broke,
they just never really functioned as required.

My parents are older, my Dad just cracked 90 and it's the same story
with my brothers following the same 'too expensive' philosophy. Both
my younger brothers are in the computer tech industry and are far more
computer savvy than my brothers-in-law, and they field all the support
calls for my parent's MS desktops and Android mobile devices.
Interestingly even my brother's acknowledge that Linux is 'too
difficult' to support for the parents. And yet EVERY time I come home
I have to deal with a support call that my brothers have already
addressed but the solution still isn't quite right.

As I type this I'm sitting in my mother's spare room, and only
yesterday was sorting out a problem of the simple need to install an
app on my mum's Aspera phone. When she tries to install apps it comes
up with a message that there isn't enough room. Seems simple enough, a
little house keeping to make space, except for the fact that my mother
has all of ONE (1) additional app installed on her phone over and
above the basic install. Further investigation reveals that this phone
comes with 128MB of internal storage. Yes 

Re: How to ensure that 'close stack' destroys the stack in RAM?

[Graham Samuel]

Thanks Jacque - wise words as always. The idea that the delete would work 
depending on whether the stack was newly created had not occurred to me, but 
seems like a good reason why my simplified tests didn’t show the problem. I 
will try again to create a simple demo, and hopefully I can file a bug report.

Graham

> On 17 Oct 2016, at 06:06, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> I don't have an answer for you, but the problem may be related to something I 
> noticed when LC 7 was released. I have automated scripts that create and/or 
> update a series of stacks. When changes are completed to each stack, the 
> script does this:
> 
> save stack x
> close stack x
> delete stack x
> 
> Prior to LC 7, the stacks would be removed from memory. In LC 7 and up, the 
> stack is closed and removed from RAM only if the stack was newly created 
> during that particular run. If the stack already existed on disk and was 
> opened and updated, it does what you describe -- it closes but remains in 
> RAM. (It remains listed in the App Browser, and "there is a stack x" returns 
> true.) The destroyStack property on all the stacks is always false, though 
> that shouldn't matter because an explicit command to delete the stack should 
> work regardless.
> 
> Since it isn't a big deal for my client we've been ignoring it. But maybe 
> that will give you a lead on how to pinpoint the problem. I suspect a bug in 
> there somewhere.
> 
> 
> On 10/16/16 10:47 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> Using LC8.1.1 rc2, I’ve got a mainstack which I want to remove
>> entirely from my project before replacing it with a template stack of
>> the same name. The script to do this is in a library originating from
>> another mainstack. For the target stack I have set the ‘cantDelete’
>> to false, and the ‘destroyStack’ and ‘destroyWindow’ to true. If my
>> script just says
>> 
>> close stack “myStack”
>> 
>> then the stack window closes, but I think the stack is still in RAM -
>> at least an ‘exists’ test says so (it’s not clear from the dictionary
>> if ‘exists’ is supposed to work on stacks), and indeed the template
>> stack doesn’t replace the original. If I add another line
>> 
>> delete stack “myStack”
>> 
>> I get an error 370 (object: stack locked, or stack’s script is
>> executing). But it’s not locked. I don’t even know how to lock a
>> stack, unless it’s by setting its ‘cantDelete’ to true. There are no
>> ‘closeStack’ handlers in the target stack.
>> 
>> Attempts to turn this into a simple recipe have failed, but it’s a
>> real problem. What I want to do (I know I’ve asked before) is to
>> execute the same code as the IDE does for ‘close and remove from
>> memory’.
>> 
>> Any ideas welcome.
>> 
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LC Server: Getting a file list when filenames use UTF8

[Tim Selander]

Hi,

Using LC server as installed in my on-rev account.

This script


Only returns files with English filenames to the resulting web page. 
Japanese (utf8) filenames are ignored. If I change one of the Japanese 
filenames to English, then it appears. If I change it back to Japanese, 
it reverts to not appearing.


Any hints?

Thank you.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

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