Re: [videoblogging] Anyone see this yet? Video subtitling initiative by Mozilla...
Glad to see Miro is still kicking it and staying relevant. I noticed hat they also have conversion for practically any video device. http://lifehacker.com/5510682/miro-video-converter-easily-converts-video-for-your-android-psp-or-apple-device Been awhile since I used it. I also notice Boxee, which I believe is also open source or based off open source has been making good waves. Heard it was possibly coming to Android. Excited about the potentials of android, like I was fond of saying the other 99.99% of the world's first computer will be a handheld device or cell phone. The idea of a desktop computer will be laughable to geration born today...as silly as a rotary phone. Phones are already doing things computers were just a couple years ago. More importantly they've brought a whole new context to computing and do a whole lot more. FInally I'm pleased to see that podcatchers (or whaever you like to call them) are ubiquitously integrated into android phones. A half dozen or so exist of varying qualities. Most just stream, some cache. At least one does video as well. Getting a HTC Incredible this Thrs or Friday, will be digging further into this. Most interesting to me it seems twitter/microblogging ironically seems to be the mechanism by which most personal video, photo and other media is delivered. The idea of media-rss and caching and what not has served it's purposes but largely gone in a different direction... i.e. media-rss has enabled search and increased interoperability, created seemless media viewing experiences and increased general transparency of the media rich web. but it's still the simplest communication means through which most inter-personal many-to-many communication is channeled. Even facebook is to complex for many. Peace, -Mike On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Adam Warner awarne...@yahoo.com wrote: I stand corrected... Sincerely, Adam W. Warner From: Joly MacFie j...@punkcast.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 5:37:55 PM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Anyone see this yet? Video subtitling initiative by Mozilla... Um, it's by Participatory Culture Foundation, not Mozilla. There is an existing effort http://dotsub. com An interesti ng recent development is http://speakertext. com , where once a can pay $20/hr (I think) to Amazon Mechanical Turk to transcribe videos. j On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Adam Warner awarne...@yahoo. com wrote: http://www.drumbeat.org/project/universal-subtitles/ Sincerely, Adam W. Warner http://adamwwarner. com _ _ __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - - -- Yahoo! Groups Links -- - - - - - - Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup. com http://pinstand. com - http://punkcast. com Secretary - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org - - - - - - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Blatant copying of my Blog!
This is not uncommon. It's a splog essentially. Just haven't seen it done in awhile. You're on the right track with DMCA. Don't freak out though... they're not hurting you directly... not like your blog getting infected with a virus, or your domain name being held hostage. (More common and recent attacks that are much worse) You want to find out who they're hosting with... then google up on proper DMCA takedown notice etiquette and send a short, too the point, properly formated DMCA takedown notice to their ISP or host. For example. For awhile a lot of splogs were using google's blogger.com, wordpress or some used independant ISP, ie. dreamhost, but much less common. In this case you simply need to send whatever authority... i.e. google, dreamhost, wordpress... a properly formated DMCA take down notice stating exactly what's going on. Keep it short and simple. It is a very straight forward case of them copying all your content. Easy case. The hardest part will be trying to find the proper channels. I suggest using a conservative carpet bomb technique before you escallate. I.E. find the five best contacts at said host company. These might be support, sales, technical support... or the VP or CEO. Depends on the size of the company. Give it a few days and if the spog isn't shut down, dig a little more on who the host is and enlarge your carpet bomb. Remember. Even though this is an egregious example of someone stealing your content a few days or a few weeks will not hurt you. It's not like your own blog or site is completely down. Likely this won't even affect your relationship with present and future visitors in the short term. So put you threats on check and instead go with an important, immediate response required, you may be held liable if no action is take... approach. As opposed to a now, asap, i will sue you approach. These are slimeballs yes... but they're lame slimeballs at that. This splog approach is pretty lame and probably not very profitable or effective since it takes months and months to build SEO / pagerank to get traffic during which time they can be quickly and easily shut down and their assets / account / profits seized. -Mike On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Jones david.jo...@altium.com wrote: I just discovered my blog site has been completely copied! My site: http://www.eevblog.com The copy: http://www.warvideoblog.com/ Clearly an attempt to cash in on ad revenue with established content. Anyone else experienced this? Dave. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] VLC making a video editor?
First of all I'm extremely pleased to hear the news. High hopes. That said I was just reading the comments over on DIgg. http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Creators_Of_VLC_Are_Going_To_Release_A_Video_Editor While I absolutely love VLC I have to agree with the commenter that points out that it's not exactly known for having the best user interface. Beyond the basic navigation in fact it's UI is downright cryptic. Even it's playlist functions are completely disfunctional. Don't even get me started on the preferences. Then again what VLC has done is some amazing reverse engineering all types of cryptic codecs and hacking them into a user interface so they all play and are controlled consistently. If nothing else the fact that VLC is creating a sort of API... or at least a code base with which to edit and transcode these myriad of codecs will gradually trickle into other video editors. It may just be the thing that has been holding back open source video editing at large. BTW, there's a screen cast on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vdwNsvbZI BTW, is anyone involved in Android development? I just recently attended the first ever Mobile Monday meeting in Ann Arbor, MI. I'm thinking Android is a chance to fullfill much of the promise and vision where the old Nokia N-series and more recently the i-Phone failed. In many ways we're already there... the ability to shoot video and post it directly to the web somewhere and twitter it... as a means of everyday communication with your friends and family. But there is still much to be desired in the fluidity of everyday one to many video communications. Peace, -Mike On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/12/23/2013219/VLC-Team-Announces-Video-Editor-In-the-Works Those of you who use VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) know how awesome this open source video player is. You can throw any video into it and it'll play. We got a glimpse of their video editor the Open Video Conference this summer, but I always questioned if they would finish it. The great news is that they'll probably port it to mac and PCso it wont just be a linux solution. If VLC completes this project, we could have a free, FOSS video editor that runs on mac AND pc. It'll hopefully handle all codecs (by breaking the law of course). Creators can start collaborating regardless of what computer they have. This is the dream. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: It was all a lie
comments below On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:43 AM, ~ FluxRostrum fluxrost...@graffiti.netwrote: this sounds like a Net Neutrality End Around to me. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/youtube-bandwidth/ Now if you are Google, you might even begin asking Comcast to pay up to connect its Google Tubes straight to their local cable ISP networks. That way, YouTube videos and Google search results would show up faster, letting the ISP brag that YouTube doesnt stutter on their network, a potential commercial advantage over its DSL competitors. Who pays whom is changing, Labovitz said. All sorts of negotiations are happening behind closed doors. Unfortunately, few will know the outcomes of those talks, since most of the nets architecture, let alone the financial machinations behind them, remain a secret cloaked in nondisclosure agreements. Wow, I love it... right now it's hilarious to see the big guns duking it out. Comcast getting greedy, now google being able to give comcast the smack down and turn the tables. It's hilarious only because the sh*t hasn't trickled down and kicked the little guys like us in the balls making us second class citizens. What's so funny and indeed *hopeful* is that this is perhaps the first time that the little guys haven't been the first to be marginalized. It's great that net neutrality may soon be law... but until it is we must remain ever vigilant. a) google won't always be not evil... it's gaining tremendous market power b) without net neutrality well and encoded into law there is a constant threat of traffic shaping and deal making. Even after it is in law the threat of secrete deal making will continue, but until its in law there's absolutely nothing we can do to find out about or protect ourselves from net neutrality abuses but beat our chests in unison and blog foul. Solidarity, ~FluxRostrum Solidarity indeed, -Mike current project http://MobileBroadcastNews.org ~ homebase http://Fluxview.com ~~~ NOTICE: NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection. ~~~ Cash Back When You Shop. http://www.bigcrumbs.com/crumbs/frontpage.jsp?r=FluxRostrum ~~~ 4. It was all a lie Posted by: Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com kinshasa2000 Date: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:19 am ((PDT)) This post has been making the rounds. Yourube actually doesnt pay much in bandwidth costs because google owns much of its own fiber network. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/youtube-bandwidth/ Google is now responsible for at least 6 percent of the internets traffic, and likely more and may not be paying an ISP at all to serve up all that content and attached ads. Credit Suisse made headlines this summer when it estimated that YouTube was binging on bandwidth, losing Google a half a billion dollars in 2009 as it streams 75 billion videos. But a new report from Arbor Networks suggests that Googles traffic is approaching 10 percent of the nets traffic, and that its got so much fiber optic cable, it is simply trading traffic, with no payment involved, with the nets largest ISPs. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 -- Powered By Outblaze Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] iPod Nano shoots video
I may be a little out of the loop on small town newspapers but I'd suspect that they're now evolving to be complete well rounded little media companies doing video and audio and even social media and social networking, in addition to their traditional photo and written word. Anything to get their message across. I just stumbled on this superb quote from Marshal McLuhan. The old medium is always the content of the new medium. As movies tend to be the content of tv and as books tend to be the content of movies. It pretty much perfectly sums up the web. It started by gobling up tv, radio, movies, music etc., but since some of these media companies wholesale boycotted it a black market of goods spring up as well as leaving a tremendous opportunity for innovative media makers... i.e. the world of videoblogging and youtube among others. We've progressed in this latest media revolution on the web beyond the web page and deconstructed old media forms into more granular base elements. We've done the piping in the form of RSS and we've made media move fluidly around the web... a large part of this was the value of search, not aggregation, the true success of RSS. The question is always though... what else? Where else is this going. It's impossible and indeed foolish to think that in the fifteen or so years since the web went commercial and mainstream that it doesn't have some major evolution yet ahead of it. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Michael Sullivan sullele...@gmail.comwrote: The other night I had guests over and we were talkiing about the struggles of the print industry and in particular the newspapers. I pointed out that though technology advancements have caused this struggle, it will also be their saving grace... as we see these advanced networked mobile touch screen tablet devices come to the market. And content is still king. Soon, the tech influence will balance and the live or die scenarios will circle back home to the content that each publisher pumps out. No more excuses. As for the ease of a networked camera... check out this n900 + pixelpipe video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxD-MmSVohg sull On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv wrote: No. I realised the only reason I wanted an iPhone/iPod Touch this week - the *only* reason - is for a job next week where the client wants me to do audioboos. Otherwise, I've been saving up for an N900. I'll find another way around the live audio posting. The Audioboo iPhone app is an elegant solution, but there must be other ways. Nokia rumors are that they will come out with a competing device to the iPad next year, running Maemo. No prizes for guessing which I'll be buying. I think these devices will change the way we read books, newspapers, magazines and watch films. If the big media companies have any sense, they're wetting their pants in anticipation of proper multifunction media players and e-readers. Small independent media companies should be doing the same. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 29-Sep-09, at 4:05 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: So Rupert given your experience with Nokia and Apple, I would love to read your more elaborate thoughts on the two options for mobile smart phone puters. Are you leaning towards iPhone? side note... latest iPad rumor has it coming out in May/June and will run iphone OS with a 3g and non-3g version. http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/backstage/comments/ten-new-details-on-the-apple-tablet/ On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv rupert%40twittervlog.tv wrote: I must have subconsciously absorbed this news from the internets. Apple have just ditched exclusivity with O2 in the UK and have signed deals with Orange and Vodafone. ATT exclusivity ends in 2010 - if the UK trial goes well for Apple, perhaps they will then open things up more in the US too. On 28-Sep-09, at 11:05 PM, Rupert Howe wrote: Yeah, I too thought of a black market iPhone, but imagined it'd be hard to get hold of a 3GS at this early stage. I hope they ditch these ridiculous exclusivity contracts soon. Am not feeling very Apple fanboyish at the moment, however nice this MBP is to use. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] iPod Nano shoots video
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: It's strange to me that Nokia is open and Apple is closed, but developers have created many more applications for Apple than Nokia. Being a big fan of Open Source, it's just an example that usability will always win. I'd like to second that sentiment. Usability is everything. I love that it's central to apple's brand / marketing / advertising. In other words people buy the iphone because they know from past experience that they'll be able to use it. Meanwhile the number of people who've bought other smartphones that don't use but one or two features on a regular basis is extremely high. (Particularly important because while in the top ten of features video is just not impost people's central three or four features.) To put it another way It's just to tedious to learn how to set the clock on the old vcr. We need features that are easy to use the first time... or even once a year if that's all we need to use them. We don't have time to relearn them when news is happening right under our noses. Problem is when most people write a hard to use feature out of their workflow on a smart phone it's usually permanent and they never go back to it. However, don't count open source out. It's primary accomplishments are it's ability to aggregate market share like crazy... i.e. Android is already becoming the primary tool in the fight of EVERYONE else vs. Apple. ... and in it's ability to extremely quickly integrate the innovations (read usability) of leading software... including innovations maybe NOT made by apple. This last is key because Apple is constantly shooting itself in the foot playing market share games. The latest I heard was apple has bought up a map company and thus will likely be cutting google out of it's core mapping features. But more common examples are the obvious denial of applications from the apple store that compete with Apple. Also the fact that it's completely incompatible with every other piece of hardware. Apple has gotten better but they still do have a habit of winning battles and then loosing the war. To reiterate, don't count open source out. Rome wasn't created in a day and it's still relatively young on mobile seen and will be picking up more and more developer, corporate and consumer marketshare as mobile computing becomes the primary computing platform by which the other 99% of the world experiences the technology and the web. And when I say other 99% you might be saying heh more then 1% of the world has computers, but I say 15 years from now kids in high school will laugh at the idea that we use to have computers that sat permanently on desks. It's not just the developing world I'm talking about it's the next generation too. There's tremendous opportunity for growth of the mobile computing market as a whole (darn near infinite) and thus tremendous hope for Android to quickly change the game. I'd bend over backward to use it, but right now it doesn't have easy to use video, photo, etc. Just not quite there and the iphone is already there. Counterpoint... Open source is there on the netbook front... whereas apple is flailing there. -Mike As far as the camera on the iPhone 3GS, it's not something right home about. The image is pretty poor. Little control. Bad mic. BUT BUT BUT it is extremely easy to take a video and post it online. So easy. Hopefully, Apple with all their developers and design sense will just set the expectation for how all phones should be, open source included. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Lomography's Ten Golden Rules
Not to play devils advocate but I got a look at the Cannon EOS 5D Mark II. At only $2500 that thing is a steal. Still, I won't be buying one anytime soon. This is more on topic though. I'm waiting for someone to make digital backs... ccd's to fit old large format cameras. Imagine the possibility of rediscovering turn of the century optics. So much fun could be had. Haven't seen anything on the market yet, but haven't done much research. -Mike On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Stopnoise stopno...@pacbell.net wrote: Rubert, Thank you so much for the links and opinion on the previous post. Great job! Thumbs up! SN\ On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Rupert Howe wrote: While waiting for all my photos and videos to backup, I followed a link on Twitter from @kmog which took me to Lomography's Ten Golden Rules. Lomography is all about analogue photography. But I like the rules as inspiration for daily mobile videoblogging. - http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules 1. Take your camera everywhere you go. 2. Use it any time à day and night. 3. Lomography is not an interference in your life, but part of it. 4. Try the shot from the hip. 5. Approach the objects of your Lomographic desire as close as possible. 6. DonÇt think. (William Firebrace) 7. Be fast. 8. You donÇt have to know beforehand what you captured on film. 9. Afterwards either. 10. DonÇt worry about any rules. - And now my backup is done. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Stopnoise Broadcast Teaching stopno...@pacbell.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Lomography's Ten Golden Rules
Awesome to know I'm a lomographer as well. Well, a digital lomographer at least by philosophy. But yes, every single one of those rules are rules I aspire too. I'd even add one. 11) quality doesn't matter... it's not about the HD or megapixels We often get to obsessed wit the quality of our gear when we should be obsessed with the convenience of our gear... i.e. the always having it with you and read to capture anything. I need to work more on being fast and not obsessing over composition / color balance and what not. -Mike On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Jan McLaughlin jannie@gmail.comwrote: That's been my vlog manifesto for years. Nice to see it written down. J Jan McLaughlin Production Sound Mixer air = 862-571-5334 aim = janofsound skype = janmclaughlin On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv wrote: While waiting for all my photos and videos to backup, I followed a link on Twitter from @kmog which took me to Lomography's Ten Golden Rules. Lomography is all about analogue photography. But I like the rules as inspiration for daily mobile videoblogging. - http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules 1. Take your camera everywhere you go. 2. Use it any time day and night. 3. Lomography is not an interference in your life, but part of it. 4. Try the shot from the hip. 5. Approach the objects of your Lomographic desire as close as possible. 6. Dont think. (William Firebrace) 7. Be fast. 8. You dont have to know beforehand what you captured on film. 9. Afterwards either. 10. Dont worry about any rules. - And now my backup is done. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Lomography's Ten Golden Rules
There is of course some background on Lomography on wikipedia as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomography This reminds me of some other small movements I've seen... the so called cheap camera movement, the cult Jam Cam groups based on a early very crappy quality camera. There is also the movement around the early Fisher Price super-8 camera... I forget the name but others will no it. Cameras often have interesting quirks, aesthetical issues or are just plain good in particular arenas. I.E. Leica cameras do amazing color. The medium is the massage as they say. :) -Mike On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv wrote: While waiting for all my photos and videos to backup, I followed a link on Twitter from @kmog which took me to Lomography's Ten Golden Rules. Lomography is all about analogue photography. Here's a video I found showing this style of shooting. (excuse annoying music) http://videocloud.jeradsloan.com/golden_rules_of_lomography.mov Its an advertisement for the specific camera. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Lomography's Ten Golden Rules
There are also a number of Lomo groups on Flickr http://www.flickr.com/groups/lomo/ - 20,000+ members! http://www.flickr.com/groups/lomo_lc-a/ - states the 10 rules on their front page and expounds on them My favorite concepts are LOMOGRAPHY IS NOT AN INTERFERENCE IN YOUR LIFE, BUT A PART OF IT and Don't think. Lomography is the least intellectual pursuit that you can imagine. You cannot plan ahead - you can only react on instinct and feelings. Like a qualified buzz, Lomography liberates you from the conventions of thought and consideration - opening your senses and allowing you to act as a passionate moving extension I love this sentiment because I've heard it hear often. The (video) camera doesn't get between conversations... the camera empowers you to approach people and acts as a tool to focus you and them on what is important to you both. This is particularly true in impromptu interviewing though I personal need a lot of work integrating this theory into everyday life. http://www.flickr.com/groups/lomosnap/ - The lomo snap game. This last group is like a game of go fish... visually riff off other recent lomo posts by posting your own like photos to explore themes and create series based off similarities. There are many other lomo groups on flickr, but these are three of the best I see. -Mike On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.comwrote: There is of course some background on Lomography on wikipedia as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomography This reminds me of some other small movements I've seen... the so called cheap camera movement, the cult Jam Cam groups based on a early very crappy quality camera. There is also the movement around the early Fisher Price super-8 camera... I forget the name but others will no it. Cameras often have interesting quirks, aesthetical issues or are just plain good in particular arenas. I.E. Leica cameras do amazing color. The medium is the massage as they say. :) -Mike On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv wrote: While waiting for all my photos and videos to backup, I followed a link on Twitter from @kmog which took me to Lomography's Ten Golden Rules. Lomography is all about analogue photography. Here's a video I found showing this style of shooting. (excuse annoying music) http://videocloud.jeradsloan.com/golden_rules_of_lomography.mov Its an advertisement for the specific camera. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Modding the Canon 5D Mark II
Long time no write, but just because I'm lurking doesn't mean I'm don't love you. ;) For a while now there have been some impressive open source firmware alternatives for a whole range of Canon cameras. These enable all sorts of cool features, many Canon just hadn't thought of. However, being as how this one is specifically aimed at improving the video and audio capabilities of the Canon 5D Mark II I thought ya'll might find it interesting. The firmware is best introduced in this short video on vimeo. http://vimeo.com/5267475 I've released a custom firmware for the Canon 5D Mark II that adds lots of new features that are missing for film makers. The video mode on the camera is an amazing step forward for independent films -- it has a full 35 mm sensor for film-like depth of field, it works with any Canon EF lens and it produces beautiful 1080p h.264 files at 50 mbps. But the stock firmware has limited audio support and is missing many key features. So I wrote my own extensions that include onscreen stereo audio meters, over-exposure displays, crop marks for different formats, and higher-quality audio. After a few weeks of private alpha testing and evaluation, I have released it under the GPL for other folks to be able to extend it further. via: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/06/22/magic-lantern-a-film.html BTW, that firmware for other canon cameras is CHDK: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK This works on nearly all the modern canon cameras including the a-series, g-series, s-series, sd-series, and sx-series. Pretty amazing stuff. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] PBS Video - full-length episodes online
Wow, this is fantastic. You're using a hulu type model. I like it. I like it alot. Haven't gotten into the details yet. I hope you'll be encouraging integration with boxee!!?!? I hope also you're providing mediaRSS syndicated data to enable search, general transparency... and of course support with things like Boxee, XBMC and their ilk. They're the future of TV to web integration... or web to TV integration. I don't see page embeds. I think this is highly important... maybe even a way to point to a specific point in a video. Love the buy button. Quality is acceptable, but a hare marginal compared to other site. Hope an hd button will be added soon. I still wish I could download... and technically I can hack away, and hackers will just like every other site. But the flash model is proven and pretty much a standard at this point. It's funny how profesional sites have moved away from this and yet a huge grey market has sprung up to hack support in. So? When did you move to PBS? That's great. I had no idea. Congrats! -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Joshua Kinberg jkinb...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to share a freshly launched project with this group -- this is the new video portal for PBS, and is a project that I'm truly proud to have been a part of (I'm the product mgr). http://pbs.org/video/ The first thing you’ll notice is that the site has full-length episodes from many of the iconic shows on PBS (arguably some of the best programming on television). This library of full-length content will be growing substantially over time with new content added every week, and eventually the goal is to make as much programming available on the web as possible. This will include local content, full-length documentaries, and extensive archives. What’s not yet apparent is that this is only the first step of a much larger project that will serve many different constituents at PBS — most importantly our community of 100’s of local stations. There are components that enable stations to publish their own content, share content between stations, and build custom online video experiences. We’re also using the same underlying platform to power video experiences on various PBS producer websites and also PBS KIDS GO! http://pbskids.org/go/video/ The whole effort has required a lot of coordination across departments at PBS and could not have been possible without extensive collaboration with local stations and producers. There’s still a long way to go and a lot of potential yet to be realized -- there's a lot of features that didn't make it into this first launch, particularly some of the more innovative things that might make it more interesting and appealing to this group (aside from the content). So that's why I'm asking for your feedback here! Please take a look, enjoy some of the videos, and feel free to drop a note to let me know what you think. Thanks! - Joshua Kinberg PBS, Dir. Video Product Mgmt Email: jkinb...@gmail.com Twitter: @joshua [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Plug-ins are like boxy islands of information on a page
Wicked cool. Pardon the bad pun, but this is some outside the box thinking. :) The basic concept here (in case people don't get what's so cool about it), is pulling what were once proprietary features of video formats like Flash and Quicktime and indeed military grade technology out of the video and exposing them in HTML. This demo appears to be showing specificaly on feature which is motion tracking of the contents of a video. Once this feature is accessible via HTML javascript and other web browser native languages can be used to control and work with it. This is just one example on a huge new frontier that goes well beyond being able to simply play/ pause control of videos. -Mike On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: I remember in 2004 when some of us first started videoblogging, we had to jump through a lot of hoops trying to figure out how to get video on the page easily. This challenge was really the impetus for starting this group. That's all we talked about the first year. Then, embedded Flash players came along and made it dead simple to post/share videos. But check out this mother fucking shit: http://standblog.org/blog/post/2009/04/15/Making-video-a-first-class-citizen-of-the-Web Ive been talking a lot about the new -video- tag in HTML 5 that's in Firefox 3.5. Not only does it use open web standards which is really important as we develop the language of web video, it also enables some very COOL possibilities for interacting with a video on a page (without any licensing restrictions). For those of us who like to hack and play around, now is the time to get energized. There are infinite possibilities with the -video- and -canvas- tags in HTML 5. The developers have barely even scratched the surface...and I imagine that it's going to take the video creators and storytellers here to start making the kick ass examples that really bring out the possibilities. So forget all the ranting and raving about Youtube. Papa's got a brand new bag. http://standblog.org/blog/post/2009/04/15/Making-video-a-first-class-citizen-of-the-Web Watch the screencast to get an idea of what I'm talking about. This new Firefox will be officially released the the Open Video Conference this June in NYC: http://openvideoconference.org/2009/03/mozilla-to-present-firefox-35-at-open-video/ Ill be there and would be great to meet you guys there as well. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Plug-ins are like boxy islands of information on a page
Crap, sorry... I wrote that to fast. Permit me to fix my miss-types. Wicked cool. Pardon the bad pun, but this is some outside the box thinking. :) The basic concept here (in case people don't get what's so cool about it) is pulling what were once proprietary features of video formats like Flash and Quicktime and indeed military grade technology out of the video and exposing them in HTML. This demo appears to be showing just one of these features; motion tracking of the contents of a video. Once this feature is accessible via HTML, javascript and other web browser native languages they can be used to control and work with it. This is just one example on a huge new frontier that goes well beyond being able to simply play/ pause control of videos. -Mike On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.com wrote: Wicked cool. Pardon the bad pun, but this is some outside the box thinking. :) The basic concept here (in case people don't get what's so cool about it), is pulling what were once proprietary features of video formats like Flash and Quicktime and indeed military grade technology out of the video and exposing them in HTML. This demo appears to be showing specificaly on feature which is motion tracking of the contents of a video. Once this feature is accessible via HTML javascript and other web browser native languages can be used to control and work with it. This is just one example on a huge new frontier that goes well beyond being able to simply play/ pause control of videos. -Mike On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: I remember in 2004 when some of us first started videoblogging, we had to jump through a lot of hoops trying to figure out how to get video on the page easily. This challenge was really the impetus for starting this group. That's all we talked about the first year. Then, embedded Flash players came along and made it dead simple to post/share videos. But check out this mother fucking shit: http://standblog.org/blog/post/2009/04/15/Making-video-a-first-class-citizen-of-the-Web Ive been talking a lot about the new -video- tag in HTML 5 that's in Firefox 3.5. Not only does it use open web standards which is really important as we develop the language of web video, it also enables some very COOL possibilities for interacting with a video on a page (without any licensing restrictions). For those of us who like to hack and play around, now is the time to get energized. There are infinite possibilities with the -video- and -canvas- tags in HTML 5. The developers have barely even scratched the surface...and I imagine that it's going to take the video creators and storytellers here to start making the kick ass examples that really bring out the possibilities. So forget all the ranting and raving about Youtube. Papa's got a brand new bag. http://standblog.org/blog/post/2009/04/15/Making-video-a-first-class-citizen-of-the-Web Watch the screencast to get an idea of what I'm talking about. This new Firefox will be officially released the the Open Video Conference this June in NYC: http://openvideoconference.org/2009/03/mozilla-to-present-firefox-35-at-open-video/ Ill be there and would be great to meet you guys there as well. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] reality/documentary videoblogs
Shot in the dark, but I've been sort of keeping tabs on The Rest of Everest. http://restofeverest.com/the-film.html Lots of material on their video podcast. You get a really good sense of who the people are, their interests, the economics, the day to day, their backgrounds, etc, etc. Then again, maybe not your cup of tea at all. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2/ On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Pat Cook patsbl...@live.com wrote: Hi everyone: Have you taken a look at the lonelygirl15 series on YouTube? If so, is that what you're looking for? Not really a documentary, but it does follow a bunch of kids around covers their every move much like Big Brother, only MUCH more REAL it doesn't involve locking a bunch of people in a house as if they were under some sort of house arrest or something with cameras in every conceivable nook cranny imaginable in EVERY room. Just curious Cheers :D Pat Cook patsbl...@live.com Denver, CO BLOGS PODCASTS AS MY WORLD TURNS - http://asmyworldturnsblog.blogspot.com/ AS MY WEIGHT LOSS WORLD TURNS - http://asmyweightlossworldturns.blogspot.com/ THE LEFT WING CONSERVATIVE - http://www.geocities.com/theleftwingconservative/ From: tom_a_sparks Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 23:19 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] reality/documentary videoblogs I am looking for a reality/documentary videoblog to give me some ideas about the videoblog I may be starting i am looking for something like a make-of documentary (movies/films) with on the go problem solving communication. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins st...@dvmachine.com wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleek...@... wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
To use your car analogy most people simply take it to the dealer for maintence. There is no dealer for self hosting. Dreamhost nor any other provide that sort of support. That type of structure does not exist. Most people are not technically literate enough to manage the constant stream of upgrades. I myself while technically capable, cut a hard edge on maintence issues. If I go on vacation for a month, I simply don't want to worry about it. And a month of ignoring it is all it takes... now multiply that by the rest of your life. Most people underestimate how much the long term maintence costs are while underestimating their own capactity to handle that constant maintence. These people should simply NOT be self hosting... unless they use blogger.com which requires no maintence. It's that simple. -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, David Howell taoofda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but the Wordpress site owners that are having their sites hacked are the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. Running a self-hosted site means being able to manage one as well. If you don't want to manage it, then you use sites like Blogger. Blogger is great for that. No frills. No muss. No fuss. No extras. If you dont want to manage it yourself, you hire people like me that will not only design and build it but manage it as well. If you want to do it all yourself, please read the manual, secure it and keep it up do date with patches. Your unsecured site causes problems for everyone. If you dont change the oil in your car, dont cry when it's eventually sitting dead on the side of the road. David Howell http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins st...@... wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleeking@ wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
and thus create an interaction model... an API, by which you can create a standardized package manager for the open source internet This idea in the end might be two ideas 1) security and a saftey net for self hosters websites 2) and in the bigger picture... a web based package manager or package manager as web service in the grand web 2.0 style, to install and automatically update open source packages that run on webservers. Not sure I got the point across, maybe / maybe not, but heh I was brainstorming. :P -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Tim Street 1timstr...@gmail.com wrote: MIke? Why did you have to say that? Now I want to go on vacation for a month. ;-) Tim Street 1timstr...@gmail.com http://1timstreet.com/blog http://twitter.com/1timstreet On Feb 8, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: To use your car analogy most people simply take it to the dealer for maintence. There is no dealer for self hosting. Dreamhost nor any other provide that sort of support. That type of structure does not exist. Most people are not technically literate enough to manage the constant stream of upgrades. I myself while technically capable, cut a hard edge on maintence issues. If I go on vacation for a month, I simply don't want to worry about it. And a month of ignoring it is all it takes... now multiply that by the rest of your life. Most people underestimate how much the long term maintence costs are while underestimating their own capactity to handle that constant maintence. These people should simply NOT be self hosting... unless they use blogger.com which requires no maintence. It's that simple. -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:41 PM, David Howell taoofda...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry but the Wordpress site owners that are having their sites hacked are the same people that buy a car and expect to never have to change the oil in it. Running a self-hosted site means being able to manage one as well. If you don't want to manage it, then you use sites like Blogger. Blogger is great for that. No frills. No muss. No fuss. No extras. If you dont want to manage it yourself, you hire people like me that will not only design and build it but manage it as well. If you want to do it all yourself, please read the manual, secure it and keep it up do date with patches. Your unsecured site causes problems for everyone. If you dont change the oil in your car, dont cry when it's eventually sitting dead on the side of the road. David Howell http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: Sad to hear. :( I'm assuming he was running wordpress? I've seen way to many wordpress blogs hacked. The problem is just maintence, you have to keep wordpress constantly up to date to patch security holes. If you don't it will inevitably get hacked. Same goes for all server side open source. Many times I've wanted to redo my blogger.com blog in wordpress, indeed wordpress is simply better, but the truth is blogger.com is virtually hack proof since there's absolutely no server side code running. It's all handled by blogger.com and written to the server via sftp. I've really come to appreciate this rock solid security and ZERO maintenance, and to be honest it's the primary reason I simply recommend blogger over wordpress to anyone who wants to self host on their own domain. The exception being if they're a developer and already running code on their server, in which case they're probably aware enough of the maintenance issues to run wordpress. Lately I've been doing a lot of work in the bike industry and it seems the entire industry from shop owners, to racers to bike makers runs almost exclusively on a blogspot hosted ecosystem. It simply works. P.S. a good auto-backup system or version control system for your blog is a MUST if you run wordpress. A lot of hosting providers include this stock. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Watkins st...@... wrote: Looking back a page or 2 on his twitter history, I think the site got hacked. http://twitter.com/joshleo Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David King davidleeking@ wrote: Anyone know what happened to josh Leo's site (joshleo.com)? It looks like it is gone ... I really like his videos! Just curious Sent from my iPhone Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Josh Leo's site
My host is... my friends own a server. I've removed plone, media wiki and eveyrthing else from my site precisely do what we're talking about here. Maintence and security hassles far outweigh their utility. No server side code runs on my domain. My backup is a) blogger.com contains all the CSS and blog posts b) I back it up every once and a while via sFTP to be sure to get images and other media files I've uploaded And yes, David, you're way spoiled for hosting, and so am I. I'd suspect the average person uses Dreamhost or like and has little / no support. I guess I could bug my friend about server issues, but I did away with the server side code because I value spending our time discussing linux, open source, gaming and generally geeking out. I guess you might say like to play with it, love it for work, but I'm very careful with what I depend on for my own personal use because I have a strict zero maintence philosphy. Probably why my primary work computer is mac though 90% of my software is open source and I spend all day reading up on and playing with working with/on Ubuntu / KDE / Gnome. (all day being a VERY relative thing :) Peace, -Mike On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM, David King davidleek...@gmail.com wrote: My web hoster actually does most of that for me (the backups, rollbacks, etc). I do my own updates to wordpress, customizations, etc - but they do everything else. But then, it's a small, service-oriented web hoster shop primarly for library-related blogs and websites (how's that for a niche market?). If I have a server type question or prob, I just email or IM and it gets fixed, pronto. I'm very spoiled. David Lee King davidleeking.com - blog davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog twitter | skype: davidleeking On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.com wrote: Sorry Markus, Everyone fears coming home from vacation to find their website burned down. Maybe you can hire a website security company, buy some website insurance or find a website sitter. Seriously though, analogies are not only fun, but how's the following for a business idea. A company that you give FTP or sFTP access to your website. It not only backs up everything, and tracks every single change through a web based versioning control system, but can automatic roll back and even flags malicious changes. Make it general consumer friendly. Give it a nice web 2.0 interface. Sell it to self hosters regardless of whom they're hosting with as insurance, security, and backup. This not only can be a transparent service instead of bogging down would be DIY types with the need to buy your designs or run their workflow through you or use you as a host. But it will let the end user go crazy customizing their code, playing with open source, using whatever host provider they want. Giving them true *fredom to tinker*... now that they now have a saftey net. websaftey.net, it's actually available. Does something similar already exist? Now build on it... add in security analysis... ie. making sure permissions are correct on all your files... i.e. giving you status on wether your software installed on your server is up to date Maybe... if the technical requirements aren't to bad it could even install certain open source packages automatically regardless of hosting provider. What about the ability to switch hosts? Or mirror a website on a different domain with the click of a button? The ability to edit or upgrade or test a service and then roll it to the users main site. Perhaps this webservice could orient the market in a different way. Perhaps it could focus on a particular niche say video, customizing it's services for videobloggers...i.e installing wordpress themes vPip, etc. At it's core the backup and versioning is more then enough to sell to every web2.0 person out there for $5 - $10 a month and make mondo money, but the possibilities on where it can go from there are endless. The key is you're doing the same thing to hosting providers as so caled web2.0 services like gmail have done to Outlook, Eudora and other email desktop clients. You're moving key services from the hosting providers into the cloud as services and thus reducing the dependancy on hosting companies proprietary features. In a sense your comoditizing the hosting provider the way the web is commoditizing the Microsoft OS, Microsoft Office, Outlook, Word, Excell, etc. You could go on to make this a gateway and a security net for not so tech savy people so they can try out open source packages regardless of different hosting providers. Perhaps one day... if you base this webservice on open source and work on building standards everyone from drupal to wordpress will work toward you to create a sort of web based package manager for the internet
[videoblogging] 17 Macbook Pro 2.6 Ghz for sale... Ferrari of portable video editing machines
Howdy All, I don't normally post stuff for sale here except that this is so incredibly on topic. I hope if you're offended you can forgive me. It's that time of year again where my buddy upgrades to the latest greatest macbook. This means last year's model, less than a year old, goes on sale and he's asked me to help him find a buyer since these things make the best video editing machines on the planet. Hence, I offer it here first. This isn't the first laptop he's sold here, I believe he sold last years model to Adam of Wreck Salvage fame. (Hope you don't mind me mentioning that Adam.) I personally would buy it but I'm quite happy with the last one I bought off him, a 2.2Ghz 17 from two model years ago. To put it simply this macbook is perhaps, scratch that, is *definitely* the best portable video editing machine on the planet aside from the brand new macbook just announced at Macworld. It has the optional 1920x1200 glossy screen, the highest res ever on a macbook, he maxed out the ram with 4 gigs, and it's an absolutely top of the line 2.6GHZ model. In short, it's as pimp as you can possibly get. There's nothing more one could add to it or buy for it, let alone any laptop. ...well... you could add a new 256gig Samsung SSD drive that they announced at CES this week which will go on sale later this year (200MBs read / 140MBs write, 3.6ms seek times)... drewl. :) But I'm off track. You get the idea. This is the ferrari of portable video editing machines. There's nothing better then it but the new mbooks announced at Macworld a couple weeks ago. == the specs == 17 dual-core 2.6 GHz 1920 x 1200 glossy screen 4GB RAM 800 MHz Bus 300GB sATA 512MB GeForce 8600M GT video card 8x dual-layer superdrive more info: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP4 *This is the last, latest and greatest macbook pro with a REMOVEABLE BATTERY. This new model just announced at macworld has it built in. I'd also like to point out this supports dual display and video mirroring. From apple's product sheet, simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors. 30 Apple Cinema display anyone? == condition == It's in perfect condition, complete with packaging, and original software. It's still under full apple warranty until late march, which automaticaly transfers to the new owner. Plus you can still purchase the apple extended warranty should you want it. So basically... it's as good as purchasing it new. == price shipping == He's hoping to get $3k for it. He will of course ship. I believe it was about $85 last year for UPS Priority with insurance. FedEx is also an option. He does live in Phoenix and is willing to deliver if you live there. == contact == His email is af_weeks at mac dot com. Feel free to contact him. Thank you, and I hope I haven't offended anyone by posting an item for sale here. -Mike flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 mmeiser.com/blog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 17 Macbook Pro 2.6 Ghz for sale... Ferrari of portable video editing machin
Aha... umm... I guess I'm a big honking idiot. I failed to realize how cheap the top of the line macbooks were. $2800 isn't the entry level one either. It's pretty much fully loaded. Even comes with 4gig ram. This includes shipping, but not tax. Of course it's not actually shipping until 3-4 weeks, but still. It was not my intention, nor my friends to post this overpriced. Please forgive me. I'd also like to point out the apple factory refurb page has four 2.6 ghz on sale for $2300 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac Those posted on apples site have much smaller drives and only two gigs of ram, but they're still a superb deal. I therefore apologize for being a nuisance and suggest if you do want a deal on one you buy it from the refurb page and buy ram through a third party and upgrade it yourself. If you do want to make my friend an offer I supposed you could still email him. I suspect he might take something around $2500-2700, but to be honest I'm not sure what would be considered a fail deal now that I've seen the price on the refurbs and the new models. On a side note, it's amazing how fast these things depreciate in a year. I'm quite certain that's at least $1k less then he paid for it. Still. It's better than the depreciation on a car I guess. My apologies. -Mike On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Irina irina...@gmail.com wrote: yeah i was thinking the same thing On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Steve Watkins st...@dvmachine.com wrote: But the new 17 costs $2799 from Apple, so how can he expect to get $3k for it? What am I missing? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: He's hoping to get $3k for it. -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 17 Macbook Pro 2.6 Ghz for sale... Ferrari of portable video editing machin
fail deal lol I meant to say fair deal. That was a freudian slip if I've ever seen one. ... yet somehow I managed to use new age internet speak so I guess that's at least a testament to my geek-hip-ness. I even make freudian slips in 1337 speak. Massive fail. Please at the very least have a laugh at my expense. :) Let this be a lesson on how NOT to sell a macbook. Peace, -Mike On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.comwrote: Aha... umm... I guess I'm a big honking idiot. I failed to realize how cheap the top of the line macbooks were. $2800 isn't the entry level one either. It's pretty much fully loaded. Even comes with 4gig ram. This includes shipping, but not tax. Of course it's not actually shipping until 3-4 weeks, but still. It was not my intention, nor my friends to post this overpriced. Please forgive me. I'd also like to point out the apple factory refurb page has four 2.6 ghz on sale for $2300 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac Those posted on apples site have much smaller drives and only two gigs of ram, but they're still a superb deal. I therefore apologize for being a nuisance and suggest if you do want a deal on one you buy it from the refurb page and buy ram through a third party and upgrade it yourself. If you do want to make my friend an offer I supposed you could still email him. I suspect he might take something around $2500-2700, but to be honest I'm not sure what would be considered a fail deal now that I've seen the price on the refurbs and the new models. On a side note, it's amazing how fast these things depreciate in a year. I'm quite certain that's at least $1k less then he paid for it. Still. It's better than the depreciation on a car I guess. My apologies. -Mike On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Irina irina...@gmail.com wrote: yeah i was thinking the same thing On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Steve Watkins st...@dvmachine.com wrote: But the new 17 costs $2799 from Apple, so how can he expect to get $3k for it? What am I missing? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: He's hoping to get $3k for it. -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 17 Macbook Pro 2.6 Ghz for sale... Ferrari of portable video editing machin
Man, those things are awesome Randy, but my friend is not a video geek, he's an apple and photo geek with a Nikon D300 series, I think I like them more then the Canons for photo. :) BTW, have you seen the new Canon EOS 5D Mark II? Drewl power. A DSLR that shoots great video? Can it be? I'd love to hear what someone with more video experience then I thinks. -Mike On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM, RANDY MANN themaddm...@gmail.com wrote: ill trade a cannon xl1 for it On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.comwrote: fail deal lol I meant to say fair deal. That was a freudian slip if I've ever seen one. ... yet somehow I managed to use new age internet speak so I guess that's at least a testament to my geek-hip-ness. I even make freudian slips in 1337 speak. Massive fail. Please at the very least have a laugh at my expense. :) Let this be a lesson on how NOT to sell a macbook. Peace, -Mike On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@mmeiser.com groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.comwrote: Aha... umm... I guess I'm a big honking idiot. I failed to realize how cheap the top of the line macbooks were. $2800 isn't the entry level one either. It's pretty much fully loaded. Even comes with 4gig ram. This includes shipping, but not tax. Of course it's not actually shipping until 3-4 weeks, but still. It was not my intention, nor my friends to post this overpriced. Please forgive me. I'd also like to point out the apple factory refurb page has four 2.6 ghz on sale for $2300 http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac Those posted on apples site have much smaller drives and only two gigs of ram, but they're still a superb deal. I therefore apologize for being a nuisance and suggest if you do want a deal on one you buy it from the refurb page and buy ram through a third party and upgrade it yourself. If you do want to make my friend an offer I supposed you could still email him. I suspect he might take something around $2500-2700, but to be honest I'm not sure what would be considered a fail deal now that I've seen the price on the refurbs and the new models. On a side note, it's amazing how fast these things depreciate in a year. I'm quite certain that's at least $1k less then he paid for it. Still. It's better than the depreciation on a car I guess. My apologies. -Mike On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Irina irina...@gmail.comirinaski% 40gmail.com wrote: yeah i was thinking the same thing On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Steve Watkins st...@dvmachine.com steve%40dvmachine.com wrote: But the new 17 costs $2799 from Apple, so how can he expect to get $3k for it? What am I missing? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-...@... wrote: He's hoping to get $3k for it. -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Boxee: open source media player
So, I finally got around to checking out boxee now that that it's in public beta. I like what I see so far. Love it actually... and I haven't even fired up the software. I have a couple questions though. 1) How in the world can it handle netflix streaming?? Netflix streaming uses silverlight. So far as I know it's not been cracked, and without being cracked it can't be built into Boxee. Then again, I see boxee is built of the open source XBMC media player which was built for microsoft's Xbox... so maybe Silverlight DRM scheme is in Boxee!? Open source is by definitition sort of morally, legally and diametrically opposite DRM since it relies on secrete code, but perhaps boxee is based on some new open source license that makes exceptions. Or perhaps Silverlight really has been reverse engineered. Still researching 2) It handles bittorrent feeds? This I have to see. I assume it has it implimented into the interface and downloads in the background. Yet nothing I've seen... even miro has made bittorrent seemless and transparent... i.e. auto-magic. Bittorrent has always required at the very least some heavy configuration and you to kick out old seeds. 3) Can we share usernames? I'm dying to try out the social features. Mine is mmeiser. Will be looking for other videobloggers on there. More questions and answers to come soon. Peace, -Mike flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 mmeiser.com/blog On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 11:10 AM, @sull sullele...@gmail.com wrote: i recently installed it and it's all good. it fills a void where joost failed, boxee will succeed. i'd like to look into building plugins for this thing. and using it with a cheap touch screen tablet as a controller for a TV. nice to see an open platform for interfacing with any media source. Loiez pointed out this site: http://wanplayer.com/ It's all in French, but looks like a similar system. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: For those interested in Open Source video....
Thanks Jay! I'll just be happy when VLC has perfected transcoding videos from any format to any format. In the ability to play any video format VLC and open source are far superior due their ability to skirt hundreds of different incompatible licensing issues. THis also means open source will clearly have the edge in transcoding between formats in the future. These to core things alone are the bedrock of all video editing and the primary need of 99% of home users out there. What's more open source transcoding is already dominating in consumer friendly websites like vixy.net and mux.am... though I'm not sure what the primary video hosts from youtube, to vimeo to blip are using. Even though video editing will always be based on the desktop cumputer the line is going to increasingly blur. What's most important to me is that video be able to transparently be shifted into whatever format / codec / size you need it for whatever device. Indeed the cloud is rapidly addressing this issue. Hopefully some universal standard will evolve for serving videos to any device though I look around and couldn't pic where it is going. I don't think flash can possibly adapt to the thousands of handheld devices, but then I've been wrong about flash before. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FOSS (free and open source software) tools for video are still a long way from competing with tools like FCP. BUT open source video tools are moving forward. The key is to get video creators to start talking to the FOSS developers. and for the really hardcore...there is http://openvideoalliance.org. This is a new initiative to get video creators and developers to start agreeing on what is needed for the video workflow to be all open source. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] photo cameras that shoot decent video
Howdy all, I've been looking at getting a new carry everywhere / do-it-all camera. I need something that takes non-proprietary batteries (AA) so as not to be caught without juice, that shoots photos primarily but also does decent video. I'm looking at IS (image stabilization), high ISO (1600, 3200, 6400), a minimum of 10x optical zoom and at least 640x480 video, preferably 1280x720. After careful research I've come up with the below models. This is not the pro caliber stuff that people hear are used to just the mid range high zoom market. The reasoning being it's better to have a camera (any camera) with you when you need it then no camera at all. I realize most people on this list are also looking at this from another perspective... video first, photo second. There's still quite a huge gap between these two perspectives but I'm glad it's finally at least starting to fill. Anyway, what follows are the models and primary specs. I'd appreciate any feedback / recommendations or alternatives. == Kodak 1012IS == - 2 AA batteries - IS = image stabilization, ALL cameras in this range have IS now - 12x optical zoom - 3200 ISO standard, up to 6400 at 3.1mp - 1270x720 video / 30fps - http://www.google.com/products/catalog?btnG=Searchcid=15232942994291666965 *high ISO ranges are not usually useable (to many artifacts and to much color distortion) they're merely an indicator of what the camera *might* be capable... usualy 400-800 ISO max with moderate grain and color distortion == Fujifilm FinePix S2000HD == - 4 AA (bulkiest of the three) - 15x zoom - 1600 ISO standard (3200 and 6400 at 5mp in high iso mode) - 1280x720 / 30fps video (cannot use zoom while recording) http://www.google.com/products/catalog?cid=9218357819657745871 == PowerShot SX110 IS == - 10x optical zoom - 2 AA - 1600 ISO (3200 mode at lower mpixels) - 640x480 30fps - much more compact than Kodak or Fuji's comparable models - http://www.google.com/products/catalog?cid=8592811692719816882 All these retail for about $200-250 dollars. It is in fact amazing the value you get and how far cheap cameras have progressed in the last few years. The one thing the specs can't tell you is what kind of image and color quality you can expect. Compounding this is the fact that all these are two new to be well shot with and well reviewed so all i can do is look at the reviews of last years cameras and what people are shooting with them on flickr, vimeo and elsewhere. Even though the Fuji is far and away the best by specs I believe it's image quality to be a huge gamble. It's also the most bulky and you cannot zoom while recording video which is a hare chincy. The Canon has a known and actually very good image quality and is the most compact of the three but is lacking in the specs. Lowest ISO, lowest zoom and only basic 640x480 video. This leaves me with the Kodak. The image quality is a small bit of a gamble but I believe I'll be happy with it. It's also very well spec'd. As far as video is concerned I intend to use this camera for shooting short 30-90 second unedited set shots in HD. (I'm going granular.) I intend to host these on Vimeo and Flickr maybe even youtube should youtube start supporting HD for free... but I would not pay for youtube. I already have a Flickr Pro account and will will consider going pro on VImeo should I find I use it enough, but won't need it to start with due Vimeo's gracious posting limits. I think that sums it all up. Hopefully others at least find this interesting. I'd love to know what others think. I hope as well that I've not overlooked previous like discussions in my research prior to posting this. If so please let me know. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2
Re: [videoblogging] Re: from david weinberger
I second the surreality of it all. It freaks me out. Things have definitely changed... the potential is amazing, but also scary... I would have never thought in my jadded mind that educated non-special interests / lobbiest would ever be sought out as advisors. It's freaking me out man. ...but in a good way. Not to scare anyone, but we're very much in an atlas shrugged type moment in history... a new balance is being struck in dog-eat-dog world of free market capatilism. Let's hope it's all for the better. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:44 PM, scoobyfox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is wonderful news. It's kinda been surreal to watch intelligent things from Obama's actual answering of questions (in complete sentences no less!) at his first press conference to this! heather --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has the Internet been saved? When Stephen Schultze http://managingmiracles.blogspot.com/ stopped me in the hallway and told me that Susan Crawford http://scrawford.net/blog/ had been appointed head of Obama's FCC transition team, I thought I was being punk'd. It was too good to be true. So, Stephen and I went to an open computer and Googled. Yup. But the news was actually even better: Kevin Werbach http://werblog.com/ has been appointed as co-lead. I was giddy with joy, for two reasons. First, it just might mean that the Internet has been saved. There are many threats to the Net, and there always will be. But one is particularly nasty and urgent. The business model of the incumbent carriers in the US — primarily telephone and cable companies — focuses not on simply providing us with as many bits as we want, but rather on getting us to buy content and services from them. This makes it too tempting to them to tilt the market toward their offerings, and to optimize the system for the sort of content they provide (e.g., high def Hollywood movies), which means de-optimizing it for other types of content (e.g., YouTubes). This problem is exacerbated by the lack of a truly open, truly competitive market. Susan and Kevin come at these issues not as representatives of the incumbent industries but as Internet folks. They are, I believe, deeply committed to the spread of the open Internet. But, they are not ideologues. They are capable of listening, finding what's of value and what matters in views with which they disagree, and moderating their views. They are informed, intelligent, reasonable, and sweet. You come out of a disagreement with them feeling better about us all. Which brings me to the second reason I am so happy about their appointment. Imagine a government that values the qualities Susan and Kevin embody. Imagine a government that doesn't go for the lazy, safe wedge issues that divide us, but actually tries to find ways we can move forward together. Imagine a government that thinks not first about winning the argument but about how we can live together afterwards. Imagine a government that assumes our better natures. No need to imagine such a government. We just elected one. -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Free Open Source Video Converter
Sweet news Schlomo. I love Handbrake. FYI. I noticed VLC was also putting in some transcoding options. Although the last time I checked it was still a work in progress VLC can decode and play back the most video formats of any player so it makes sense it could then transcode them all to another format of your choosing in the future. Tremendous potential there. -Mike On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:57 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all I've been an avid fan of VisualHub for years, but they have decided to shut down their doors and not update the program. BUT! Handbrake, the free DVD to video converter, has decided to pick up where VisualHub left off and allow their program to convert any video... not just DVDs. This is a good thing. Read more about it here: http://www.9to5mac.com/handbrake-ffmpeg Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] direct to ipone aggregation
So, It took 2-3 years but we finally have our direct to device aggregation through the iphone. http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/21/iphone-2-2-firmware-update-available-now/ (check out the last two screen snaps) I assume it does video podcasts as well as video podcasts. Now you don't need to wait until you get home and sync your iphone with your home computer to get the latest podcasts. It doesn't look like it auto-aggregates, but then like email all you need is a list of the absolute latest podcasts so you can cherry pick the ones you want to download and listen too. You wouldn't want to download them all or watch them all. I'm still not clear on whether the UI puts your subscriptions right at your fingertips or whether you have to use the annoying itunes store. It's not perfect, but it's another big step forward for ubiquitous podcasting. Anyone try it yet? == The big vision == I've always given the following example of what i think is the future of video podcasting as a means of inter-personal communications. I'm walking down the street or hanging out at a coffee shop and my phone beeps, I pull it out... I see an icon on the splash screen showing I have one new video (say an itunes icon), I click on the app, see it's a new video from my good friends in Texas... it simply says snow... I click and automatically play a clip, it's a 30 second clip of my friends kids making a snow man in a freak snow Storm. What makes this work? 1) One to many is far better then explicit one to one 2) ubiquity of technology 3) it doesn't need to be real time... it's web-time... i.e. it can only work when on wifi 4) it's twitter like but with video... a 30 second clip... little to no caption is necessary, the primary context simply needs to be who it's from... i.e. you have a video from your friend Jimbo... that's really says all you need to know. There's a few other points, but that's enough for now. Peace, -Mike flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 mmeiser.com/blog
Re: [videoblogging] Revision 3 cuts back on shows including Epic Fu
Cool. Crowd Funding. http://crowdfunding.pbwiki.com/ http://www.google.com/search?q=crowdfunding I hope it works... would love to see more. -Mike flickr.com/photos/mmeiser2 mmeiser.com/blog On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:12 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe its time for some Front Loaded Funding. Heather Gold and I have been toying with that idea. Basically, have some show topics and let the community help finance it. When enough financing is reached, then the episode is made. (like FrenchMaidTV!... kinda) I would help fund any video that would put Steve in a costume. I'm a sucker for tall people in costumes. Even better if he puts on a goofy voice. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Epic FU is a valuable show to the right sponsor. Revision3 wasn't able to find those sponsors. Do you know, I mean really know someone who would like to sponsor Epic FU? Now is our time to help Steve and Zadi. Tim Street http://1timstreet.com On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com wrote: It's not personal, but anybody that drops lucrative demographic audiences Epic Fu's and shows with high publicity value like Wine Library TV needs to have both their head and their strategy examined. I haven't fully flushed this out in my brain, but I just wonder if the media buyers (on the client and agency side) are thinking that traditional media buys is some sort of flight to quality in the same sense that investors are doing a flight to quality with more traditional meat-and- potatoes stocks and commodities like gold. I'd like to hear what everyone else has to think about this (my instinct is that media buyers need the direct relationships and alpha consumer recommendations that are part and parcel of online video now more than ever), and I'll come back with more developed thoughts later. 2008/10/27 Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] heathparks%40msn.com Just saw this now, probably a bit of old news for some, but sad nonethelessSteve and Zadi are great people and I am sure this is a kick in the gut in many ways... http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/27/revision3-cuts-back-on-shows-and- staff/ Hopfully Steve and Zadi knew about this before hand and were making some deals.. Heath http://batmangeek.com -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomo.tv - finally moving to wordpress http://hatfactory.net - relaxed coworking AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Did you see my 82 year old vlogging mom on ABC World News
Millie 08'! Millie goes viral. I haven't kept up enough on the steve and millie. I guess I've been missing the fun. ;) -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Irina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your mother is so wonderful! On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Did you see my 82 year old vlogging mom on ABC World News? She writes all about it on her blog: http://mymomsblog.blogspot.com/ They did an 11 minute interview with her, and on the segment she talks for :20 seconds. They also talked to her about her videoblgging, I Can't Open It, and her Yiddish Class, but in the end they just used those vlogs as b-roll Check it out. The interview as aired and my 11:00 minute behind hte scenes is on her blog... Thanks, --Steve -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] the latest on pocket sized projectors
Impromptu guerilla film screenings here we come. http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/technology_news/4269248.html The thing is the size of an ipod, but truth be told it's not bright enough or strong enough for screening anything much larger then your 17 macbook anyway. Not sure what the point is untill they get MUCH stronger. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog
Re: [videoblogging] Re: qik.com, kytetv and Rober Scoble's post on TechCrunch
Followed this on techmeme.com and now here. I haven't had enough time to keep up on Qik and their competitors, so regardless of wether I agree or disagree with Scoble or Steve's posts the important thing for me is that the perspectives are most informative. Thank you both. On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nokia has a bluetooth keyboard that works with the N93/N95... Can't you get bluetooth keyboard for the iPod too? I find it fascinating that the number one issue in the blackberry vs. iphone debate is still the tactile keyboard. Personally I find the issue a little like debating the keyboard on the ThinkPad vs. the Macbook. All that is required is a little time to becoem comfortable with a new interface. I thought by now someone might have made an invisible plasitc overlay that raises or at least offers a tiny little nibs on the touch to offer some ositive tactile touch feedback. This would help people rapidly develop an instinctual finger or thumb placement on the iphone so they can learn to type faster and more accurately over time. P.S. Regarding something B Yen said about generalizing vs. niche markets. Funny, some would say when Youtube started it was in an extremely niche market. Some might still say it is. The same might have been said of apple, ibm, even microsoft back in the day. The trick is finding a niche market / an evolving market and exploding it. You don't set out to become a generalist, you make/set the market and therby become the defacto standard. It's the next generation of innovators who try to figure out where the market is going so they can carve out a niche in its path. This is exactly what qik and the other fore mentioned services are doing. I tend to believe that Qik and the rest of these live streaming video blogging services are the future. 5-10 years from now the majority of video posted might well be live via wifi, wimax or some post-cessor to 3g. I find it funny that only 4 years after youtube started in this very niche segment of blogging called video blogging that we now consider them a generalist. It's a mark of just how big this space has exploded. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nokia has a bluetooth keyboard that works with the N93/N95... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, B Yen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of any comparable cellphone (like the N93) with an optical zoom camera, with a QWERTY keyboard?? If so, I would buy it in an instant. Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] streaming video from your iphone with Qik
Just wondered if anyone has seen this yet and if anyone's tried it. http://gizmodo.com/5016004/qik-finally-comes-to-iphone Qik has come out with an app that will let you stream video directly from your iphone. Am guessing at this point it still works only on wifi. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog
Re: [videoblogging] Reggie Watts - Out Of Control (was Re: go to hell)
Yes, saw this when it was posted. The Vimeo crew did some sweet experiments with Reggie. -Mike On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was obviously mixed. It's still a good performance, but it's not what they want you to believe it is. If you'd like to see something actually done in that fashion, using a sampler, check out Reggie Watts = http://www.vimeo.com/134034 Out Of Control. Bill Cammack http://BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know what possessed me to watch this since I normally only read about 1% of the videoblogging list, but I did. It's decently well done and it says live recording, but I HIGHLY doubt it. I think it's just a shooting technique using prerecorded music. For one thing it's a song from a recorded album. You could compare it to the one off the album and I bet it sounds exactly the same. The thing is I've seen this done many times for real in live concerts. A lot of modern folkies use the loop technique though it's usually a lot simpler. I'm trying to remember who. It was Cat Power, Joseph Arthur, Fiest or someone like that. Can't remember for sure. -Mike On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVky7hwuebU ;) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Reggie Watts - Out Of Control (was Re: go to hell)
superb example btw. Happy to watch it again. -Mike On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, saw this when it was posted. The Vimeo crew did some sweet experiments with Reggie. -Mike On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was obviously mixed. It's still a good performance, but it's not what they want you to believe it is. If you'd like to see something actually done in that fashion, using a sampler, check out Reggie Watts = http://www.vimeo.com/134034 Out Of Control. Bill Cammack http://BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know what possessed me to watch this since I normally only read about 1% of the videoblogging list, but I did. It's decently well done and it says live recording, but I HIGHLY doubt it. I think it's just a shooting technique using prerecorded music. For one thing it's a song from a recorded album. You could compare it to the one off the album and I bet it sounds exactly the same. The thing is I've seen this done many times for real in live concerts. A lot of modern folkies use the loop technique though it's usually a lot simpler. I'm trying to remember who. It was Cat Power, Joseph Arthur, Fiest or someone like that. Can't remember for sure. -Mike On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVky7hwuebU ;) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Video on the iPhone
Extremely glad to here this is working for people. Sounds like it's becoming a real possibility. Hopefully by the full iPhone 2.0 release there will be several well polished options. If video can become a standard feature on the iphone we're only about 3 years from it twitter vlogging can truely become common place on most cell phones. Then it's onto developing worlds. Five to ten years time and everyone will have the power of yesterday's tv station in their hands. While basic digital cameras are already changing things having near instant upload with always on / pervasively connected cameras has a few more interesting ramifications. Today twitter saves a guy from jail in egypt, maybe tomorrow we'll see it happen. So, N95 works for a very select few, the iphone may bring it more maintream (still in progress), anything device with the EyeFi (haven't heard / nor seen many talking about this though). Is anything else getting there I'm missing? Some Nikon's have wifi but I'm not hearing much about them being used in this way. We're progressing well beyond the silly video phones that could do 15 - 30 seconds at 8fps and 120x60. It's not about fidelity though, it's about ease of use and ubiquity. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Schlomo, Add this source to the installer app - http://www.iphone-recorder.com/install2 and then you see the thing to install. The unregistered version can record up to 30sec at a time. The paid version will supposedly record as long as you have disc space left on your phone. The best results seem to be to shoot the video and have it convert to mp4 afterward instead of on the fly. The conversion seems to take about 2x the length of the video. - Verdi On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Twitter friend also posted this video: http://216.194.68.45/mattcampagna.com/?p=16 I can hardly wait to try this. I've been so jealous of the peeps with N95's. Rox On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:38 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a hack, I think this is AWESOME! Have you paid for the full version? curious how long it'll record. Also, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong in getting it on my iphone: My phone is jailbroken and have put plenty of apps on it, but the page tells you to download the file from this link: http://www.iphone-recorder.com/iphonevideorecorder.pxl http://www.iphone-recorder.com/iphonevideorecorder.pxl I have never heard of a .pxl . Put it in my source list in Installer.app and dont see it. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]michaelverdi%40gmail.com michaelverdi%40gmail.com wrote: It's not the greatest video but I love have people make something work with what's available. Here's my quick test: http://www.flickr.com/photos/verdi/2444022326/ - Verdi It's no steady shot, but for movlogging it's more then good enough. Better then most phone cams. Very odd about that rotation issue, it's got to be just a pure software issue. -Mike On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.comgroups-yahoo-com% 40mmeiser.com wrote: There was some talk recently about movloging (mobile video blogging) and the iphone, particularly in reference to flickr's new video features. Thought I'd provide an update. When last this came up there had been only some proof of concepts showing that the current iphone was at least capable of some video recording. There are also some rumors apple will add video in one of the next releases along with GPS and 3G support (maybe 1st week of june?). Anyway, there continues to be a lot of interest and 3rd parties seem to be making some progress at using the built in still camera to record video. Case in point. http://www.iphonevideorecorder.com/ They now have audio and video working pretty well according to what I'm reading on the blogs. http://mytriniphone.com/blog/2008/04/iphone-video-recorder-version-116-full-feature-update/ == Some stats == - max framerate: 15 fps - max size 320x416 - mpeg4 compression - multiple compression qualities *one hour high quality recording suposedly uses up 60MB of disk space - 32/64/128bps audio recording - cost: $20
Re: [videoblogging] go to hell
Don't know what possessed me to watch this since I normally only read about 1% of the videoblogging list, but I did. It's decently well done and it says live recording, but I HIGHLY doubt it. I think it's just a shooting technique using prerecorded music. For one thing it's a song from a recorded album. You could compare it to the one off the album and I bet it sounds exactly the same. The thing is I've seen this done many times for real in live concerts. A lot of modern folkies use the loop technique though it's usually a lot simpler. I'm trying to remember who. It was Cat Power, Joseph Arthur, Fiest or someone like that. Can't remember for sure. -Mike On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVky7hwuebU ;) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 720 x 400
On Tue, Jan 8, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be interesting Like a way to avoid scaling from 640 or something. I'm not familiar with, say Tivo frams sizes enought to know why 720x400 might be beneficial. That might just be the case... 640 is not the max width for video. The max size of video for the ipod is based on the total number of pixels. More specifically it's the total number of pixelblocks which are either 16x16 pixels or 32x32 (I can't remember) or 307,200 pixels. This is to complex to explain in marketing though so generally speaking apple doesn't generally quote it in marketing materials though you might find it in a tech document. It works out to something like 640x640 or 720x360 (standard DVD resolution) or 700x400. You could even go 2000 x 100 though I haven't tried it. Secondly it's based on codec. The above is for mpeg4 only. H264 compression/decompression is much more hardware intensive. h264 videos must be lower resolution and must have a lower bitrate. I don't do much h264. In fact I avoid it. So I'm not sure what the total number of pixels can be on h264. Generally it's something like 640x480. As for max bitrate, total for video AND audio; 2500kps for mp4, 1500 max bit rate for h.264. My suggetion, is go download iSquint at isquint.com and do some short recompression tests using the advanced feature. It states right there in the side bar the mac bitrate and pixels. Experiment a little. Like I said, I've compressed / recompressed stuff to mp4 a lot, but I haven't played with h264 compression. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, miglsd27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it makes a difference if you´re plugging the iPod to a TV? Miguel. ok... So checking out the http://GeekBrief.tv formats, I became aware yesterday that iPods will play 720x400 video. I just checked this out on my iPod Nano, and it works perfectly. The question is if anyone sees a value for this? Personally, my column on my website accommodates video 640 pixels wide. The iPods are 640 wide or less. If you choose iPhone for encoding video in quicktime, it makes a 480 pixel wide file. It seems to me that unless your site accommodates 720 pixel wide video, you're better off using the same data rate for fewer pixels, meaning hopefully more quality... Especially if you're aiming @ iTunes and iPods. Opinions? -- Bill Cammack BillCammack.com ReelSolid.TV Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Video on the iPhone
There was some talk recently about movloging (mobile video blogging) and the iphone, particularly in reference to flickr's new video features. Thought I'd provide an update. When last this came up there had been only some proof of concepts showing that the current iphone was at least capable of some video recording. There are also some rumors apple will add video in one of the next releases along with GPS and 3G support (maybe 1st week of june?). Anyway, there continues to be a lot of interest and 3rd parties seem to be making some progress at using the built in still camera to record video. Case in point. http://www.iphonevideorecorder.com/ They now have audio and video working pretty well according to what I'm reading on the blogs. http://mytriniphone.com/blog/2008/04/iphone-video-recorder-version-116-full-feature-update/ == Some stats == - max framerate: 15 fps - max size 320x416 - mpeg4 compression - multiple compression qualities *one hour high quality recording suposedly uses up 60MB of disk space - 32/64/128bps audio recording - cost: $20 (there is a free trial) - currently requires the phone to be jail broken - automatic volume sensitivity adjustment - supports sending of videos via email (in other words it can post to flickr, blip or any service that supports email) == major issues == The big issue seems to be encoding. The current iphone isn't fast enough to encode on the fly, (or maybe the current software isn't fast enough) so while you can record / encode on the fly with limited results (dropped frames) they recommend post encoding. Meaning it captures the video to the hard drive in raw/ uncompressed format and then processes it after the fact. I see no problem with this as long as you have plenty of free space. I do have a minor concern over how long this takes and how much it eats up the iPhones batteries. The only major issue then that I see is general usability. How hard is it to launch, shoot, and upload a video to your favorite service. == Other issues == * there is of course no zoom or image stabilization, i.e. this will absolutely not be substitute for a Sanyo Xacti or other seperate recorder, it's purely for video twitterings * For some there is also still the issue with the camera on the iphone being on the opposite side of the screen, thus you won't be able to see yourself in the screen while recording yourself, but I'm sure videobloggers will get used to it. Hopefully apple will figure out a way to adress the issue in future iPhones. * not sure what this is based on, doesn't appear to be open source. I think it's using ffmpeg for compression. I think that's it, and while I really need to get my hands on it and try it does seem like a practical mobile vlogging solution. If anyone tries it please be sure to post a good review and some videos. Thanks, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog
Re: [videoblogging] Video on the iPhone
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not the greatest video but I love have people make something work with what's available. Here's my quick test: http://www.flickr.com/photos/verdi/2444022326/ - Verdi It's no steady shot, but for movlogging it's more then good enough. Better then most phone cams. Very odd about that rotation issue, it's got to be just a pure software issue. -Mike On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was some talk recently about movloging (mobile video blogging) and the iphone, particularly in reference to flickr's new video features. Thought I'd provide an update. When last this came up there had been only some proof of concepts showing that the current iphone was at least capable of some video recording. There are also some rumors apple will add video in one of the next releases along with GPS and 3G support (maybe 1st week of june?). Anyway, there continues to be a lot of interest and 3rd parties seem to be making some progress at using the built in still camera to record video. Case in point. http://www.iphonevideorecorder.com/ They now have audio and video working pretty well according to what I'm reading on the blogs. http://mytriniphone.com/blog/2008/04/iphone-video-recorder-version-116-full-feature-update/ == Some stats == - max framerate: 15 fps - max size 320x416 - mpeg4 compression - multiple compression qualities *one hour high quality recording suposedly uses up 60MB of disk space - 32/64/128bps audio recording - cost: $20 (there is a free trial) - currently requires the phone to be jail broken - automatic volume sensitivity adjustment - supports sending of videos via email (in other words it can post to flickr, blip or any service that supports email) == major issues == The big issue seems to be encoding. The current iphone isn't fast enough to encode on the fly, (or maybe the current software isn't fast enough) so while you can record / encode on the fly with limited results (dropped frames) they recommend post encoding. Meaning it captures the video to the hard drive in raw/ uncompressed format and then processes it after the fact. I see no problem with this as long as you have plenty of free space. I do have a minor concern over how long this takes and how much it eats up the iPhones batteries. The only major issue then that I see is general usability. How hard is it to launch, shoot, and upload a video to your favorite service. == Other issues == * there is of course no zoom or image stabilization, i.e. this will absolutely not be substitute for a Sanyo Xacti or other seperate recorder, it's purely for video twitterings * For some there is also still the issue with the camera on the iphone being on the opposite side of the screen, thus you won't be able to see yourself in the screen while recording yourself, but I'm sure videobloggers will get used to it. Hopefully apple will figure out a way to adress the issue in future iPhones. * not sure what this is based on, doesn't appear to be open source. I think it's using ffmpeg for compression. I think that's it, and while I really need to get my hands on it and try it does seem like a practical mobile vlogging solution. If anyone tries it please be sure to post a good review and some videos. Thanks, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://graymattergravy.com http://reportsfromthefuture.com http://michaelverdi.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Flickr adds video - max length 90 seconds?
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My jailbroken iPhone has a video recorder that is really just a proof of concept: it records 5 seconds of video, no audio. Useless, but pretty damn exciting! Yeah, that's the last I heard of it. Would have hoped they'd build on it by now. But wasn't that 5 seconds at 1600x1200 or some such insane resolution? -Mike mmeiser.com/blog -- Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://hatfactory.net AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Flickr adds video - max length 90 seconds?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, you can use your email -- Flickr :) I'm doing that thru http://shozu.com Swet. Schweet jan. Looking into shozu.com now. :) As for Flickr, mobile video blogging, and mobile event coverage in general, please read on. First, Please speak up (anyone?) if you've ever experimented with getting video to work on the iPhone. There are many rumors the next gen will have video, but if it doesn't I may need to buy one anyway. I can't wait any longer. Second, As an alternative, has anyone used EyeFi camera SD cards yet? I think at some point I'm going to try one of these EyeFi cards as they can automatically connect to any open wifi point and send photos (and now videos!) to flickr and other common sharing services. This seems like a much better alternative then waiting until the iPhone supports video or buying some other alternative like the N95 because I can use the EyeFi card with ANY video camera I choose. The only problem with using EyeFi with Flickr that I can see is it automatically uploads EVERYTHING. I don't think they've devised any way to upload just one or two items. :( This isn't a huge deal for most, particularly because you can set it to upload your photos (and I assume videos) as private by default but I take A LOT of photos and upload less then one in a thousand. I've heard some people just mirror ALL their photos on flickr as well as their hard drive. This is not actually such a bad idea for many and would work great with EyeFi. It's just not for me. Maybe I could learn to pre-edit my shots better, but taking lots of shots is the key to experimenting and being creative. The communicator and the artist in me will always be at odds. Perhaps the answer to this schism between making art and communicating is to focus on a two pronged approach and keep communications and art separate. I.E. Always carry an iPhone or N95 for communicating with video and photo, but carry a separate higher quality camera for shooting video and photo. Indeed despite this one limitation the EyeFi + Flickr combination seems like an great way of doing event coverage at conferences and places with ubiquitous wifi. Case in point. Did anyone check out Andrew Baron's Maker Fair coverage on Flickr? http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewbaron/sets/72157604450070157/detail/ more of andrew's perspective: http://dembot.com/post/31209664 This is not to say he used EyeFi. He didn't. It's not even mobile coverage though the exact same effect very well could be done via mobile video blogging. What I wanted to point out is how imminently browseable and enjoyable the Flickr experience is for events. This is the alternative we (all us attention deficit monkeys) have all been looking for for half hour+ videos of events that we can never sit through. I really enjoyed the clips for what they were though I would enjoy a little but of voice over / narration / background information and meta information in general on some of what's in the videos. I have never enjoyed any sort of event coverage on the web as I have this. Clips that contain brief interviews of the makers with shots of the footage are the absolute best. Once event material starts mixing with photos and content from different users in Flickr groups a sort of abstract telepresence that's truly interactive should be possible. This is not your second life kind of telepresence. It's better. It's real life. It's not 3D it's highly granular twitterings, photos, and videos. In general though Andrew's Maker event coverage is a superb use of flickr and shows why the 90 second clip limit rocks. I love the details view in particular for Flickr Sets as it allowed me to very quickly scan the 85 videos and choose which ones I wanted to watch first. This has me thinking that the whole world might be a better place if Flickr never lifts it's 90 second clip limit. If you want longer videos host on blip or youtube. Flickr is not and should not be about episodes, shows or indeed any sort of linnear experience. Essentially Flickr is embracing the non-linearity inherent in photography, and in essence becoming a twitter for media. (What could be better!) If you can't say it in 90 seconds it's time to break it into two or more clips. Video as communication is at the heart of my reasoning of what this little revolution is about, basic, media rich mass communications. Personally I could care less about many of the innovations in so called episodic content. It's application for new's sake or entertainment is only by comparison marginally as interesting. Though channel101 and 102 do rock my world this right here IS the heart of what this little media revolution is about. For comparison, Andrew has pretty much the same set of videos on rocketboom. http://www.rocketboom.com/maker_faire/ As you can see it's the meta information (titles, descriptions, nice size thumbnails) and the social features
Re: [videoblogging] Flickr adds video - max length 90 seconds?
I have to respectfully disagree about it becoming a stock video source even though the demographic does lean toward pro / pro-sumer / amateur enthusiasts. For one thing flickr hasn't become a stock photo source despite it's demographic. I personally think we're talking video twitterings and video bloggings. I do think pushing the limit on short clips from the start was a great idea. Even if at some point in the future I could see them lifting it. Short clips keep it social, which is the primary way people use flickr for photography. It should be a great movlogging / mobile video blogging platform to. While I like the short length I would hope flickr would distinguish itself by allowing for much higher quality and resolution. This would allow people to focus on aesthetics and cinema-graphics, which i think is a natural step for their photographic base of users. So far the only one I know that really has pushed HD in a big way is Vimeo. For me this would be the clincher for flickr video. I personally am extremely anxious to see people use it for video memes. It seems perfect for collaborative projects like videoblogging week, blandlands, lumiere and other such collaborative video memes. Flickr has always had excellent collaborative mechanisms through flickr groups and flickr tags. Though video sites like blip, mefeedia and vimeo have had various implementations similar to flickr they some how just never have stacked up to flickr groups and tags. I can't wait until we as a group can make use of them in mass. I'm there. Who's wants to start a videoblogging week 2008 group on flickr!? BTW, does anyone know if flickr supports RSS 2.0 w/enclosures and mp4's, media RSS, and what about itunes? This is the one other major issue for me. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:29 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my prediction for what Flickr Video will be(come). Flickr Video will NOT be anything like YouTube, Blip.tv, Revver, or any of the other video sharing sites. Flickr Video will become a Stock Video library. Maybe THE stock video library. (This may even turn out to be revenue source for them if they act as the payment gateway, and take a small cut of all purchases.) That's why only 90 seconds. (Stock video is usually short.) When I heard Flickr was getting video... this is what I'd go for if I were them... and I suspected they'd probably be going for it. And now that they've said the videos can only be 90 seconds long, I'm more certain about it. -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Motorsport Videos http://TireBiterZ.com/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just read about this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/flickr-video-launches-a-unique-experience/ If I read it right and the 90 second thing is true, well I can hope this will encourage a lot of interesting videos at that length. Cheers Steve Elbows Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flickr adds video - max length 90 seconds?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Ryan Ozawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rupert Howe wrote: Inspired by Lumiere videos, I shot a lot of moving snapshots (but with sound). Very short - 15-30 seconds, or at most a minute of nicely framed video of something I would otherwise have snapped as a still. As soon as I heard about the 90-second limit, and the framing by the Flickr founders as moving photographs, I thought of The Lumiere Manifesto. While I'm sure there'll be a lot of narrated videos, or walking-about videos, or talking-head videos, or fully-produced-and-edited videos, I think Flickr video seems perfectly suited as a platform for the Lumiere aesthetic (and/or the gateway to stock video). So, of course, I started a group, too: http://www.flickr.com/groups/lumierevideo/ Here Here! Can't wait to see how this works out. Videoblogging week is almost upon us too. Another chance to collaborate. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog You should upload your holiday clips, Rupert! g Ryan Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Flickr adds video - max length 90 seconds?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Pat Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: Steve Watkins wrote: Just read about this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/flickr-video-launches-a-unique-experience/ http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/flickr-video-launches-a-unique-experience/ If I read it right and the 90 second thing is true, well I can hope this will encourage a lot of interesting videos at that length. Problem is who's bother to upload a measley 90 seconds of video to Flickr when MANY phones will allow you to upload to TEN MINUTES of video on YouTube? I don't know of anybody who's gonna mess with doing that in the long term. If Yahoo! is really serious about turning Flickr into the next YouTube, they're gonna have to do better than that IMO. Cheers I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. First many people already use flickr for mobile photo blogging, so it would actually make more sense for them to use flickr for the occasional video clip then youtube. Case in point, markus is already wondering about posting video clip from his iphone. (Markus, would love to know if you get it working) Secondly, I don't think flickr wants to become a youtube. I think in fact they need to differentiate themselves. Short clips are one way. But another great way would be to go high quality. -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado PODCASTS - AS MY WORLD TURNS - Blogger Page - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/ BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/20453 AS MY WEIGHT LOSS WORLD TURNS - http://asmyweightlossworldturns.blogspot.com PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S HEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Video Podcast) - Blogger Page - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ - BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/19924 **COMING SOON** - PAT'S CLASSIC TV COMMERCIALS VIDEO PODCAST - http://patsclassictvcommercials-ipod.blogspot.com/ (iPod), http://patsclassictvcommercials-flash.blogspot.com/ (Flash) Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flickr adds video - max length 90 seconds?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Lisa Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another media that seems perfect for this 90-second format: audiophotography. I was rather entranced by it a few years ago. http://books.google.com/books?id=wkz3ULUXUmQC It's all about combining sound with photos. I played around with the idea a few years ago. http://www.k9sartech.org/?p=94 This is exactly the sort of thing I would hope flickr would spur. Artful experimentation along the lumiere, blandlands, audio phtography lines. Cinemagraphic explorations. It fits right in with the photographic content already on flickr. But flickr will have to focus on quality to court such experimentation, like Vimeo did with Vimeo HD. -Mike Below is a bit more detail I pulled from a blog post I wrote on the topic. Lisa http://k9sartech.org http://idesigntech.org I just got a new book that might interest others: Audiophotography: Bringing Photos to Life with Sounds. Computer Supported Cooperative Work Series. David Frohlich. 2004. Kluwer Academic Publishers.http://www.springeronline.com/sgw/cda/frontpage/0,11855,5-40356-72-34052783-0,00.html Audiophotography combines a detailed 'user studies' approach to photography, with consumers' own critiques of new media content they have generated themselves. The book includes a CD of examples. I can see how this kind of media could also be considered videoblogging just as well as motion video with audio tracks. In fact, I'm somewhat surprised that iPhoto does not allow you to record a narrative voice track with photos. The most interesting example on the CD has a photo with four thick edges labelled ambient, conversation, music and voicetrack. You can select and play multiple tracks simultaneously. How neat is that! On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Ryan Ozawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rupert Howe wrote: Inspired by Lumiere videos, I shot a lot of moving snapshots (but with sound). Very short - 15-30 seconds, or at most a minute of nicely framed video of something I would otherwise have snapped as a still. As soon as I heard about the 90-second limit, and the framing by the Flickr founders as moving photographs, I thought of The Lumiere Manifesto. While I'm sure there'll be a lot of narrated videos, or walking-about videos, or talking-head videos, or fully-produced-and-edited videos, I think Flickr video seems perfectly suited as a platform for the Lumiere aesthetic (and/or the gateway to stock video). So, of course, I started a group, too: http://www.flickr.com/groups/lumierevideo/ You should upload your holiday clips, Rupert! g Ryan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flickr adds video - max length 90 seconds?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure they'll extend the length when they iron out the kinks. I'm quite psyched about it. I reckon it'll encourage a bunch of people to use the movie mode on their digital stills cameras. this is THE biggest issue in my book. Already 90%+ of digital cameras capture video. It makes no sense to have seperate video and photo sites. It isn't about the medium. It's about communication. It's about sharing with a specific community of people. Why shouldn't you be able to post a couple video clips with your pictures of the little league game? It's increasingly all the same thing, captured moments, or moments showing as Markus said in reference to Jay's original Moment Showing vlog. I love the example markus gave about it's use in the San Fran Tibet protests. Finally I no longer need to visit two different sites to get both video and photographic coverage of events. I've been hearing endlessly from the anti-video groupies on Flickr and have recieved many invites. I instead elected to show my support of Flickr by joining the group demanding free donuts from flickr. :) http://laughingsquid.com/we-demand-donuts-from-flickr/ I highly recommend joining the group as show of support for flickr and a sort of gentle parody of the anti-video flickr groups. Plus, if we get 20,000 people to sign up, we can force Flickr to buy us all donuts, they'll have no choice! /schweet sarcasm Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog Last time I went on holiday, I took far fewer still pictures. Inspired by Lumiere videos, I shot a lot of moving snapshots (but with sound). Very short - 15-30 seconds, or at most a minute of nicely framed video of something I would otherwise have snapped as a still. It's amazing how often something cool happens within a frame when you let the camera run. And scenes that would otherwise be fairly mundane holiday snapshots become much more evocative and interesting with the introduction of movement and sound. I really wanted to be able to share these on Flickr along with my photos. Oh, and hello again. I've been away, but now I'm back. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or... they start off simple and safe see how things go... then decide to extend video and maybe add audio as well. stock assets can be a focus as well, without limiting themselves if they wish. good point. i remember the early days of vlogging where we had some discussions on stock video maybe it would make a good new thread here? On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:29 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my prediction for what Flickr Video will be(come). Flickr Video will NOT be anything like YouTube, Blip.tv, Revver, or any of the other video sharing sites. Flickr Video will become a Stock Video library. Maybe THE stock video library. (This may even turn out to be revenue source for them if they act as the payment gateway, and take a small cut of all purchases.) That's why only 90 seconds. (Stock video is usually short.) When I heard Flickr was getting video... this is what I'd go for if I were them... and I suspected they'd probably be going for it. And now that they've said the videos can only be 90 seconds long, I'm more certain about it. -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Motorsport Videos http://TireBiterZ.com/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]steve%40dvmachine.com wrote: Just read about this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/flickr-video-launches-a-unique-experience/ If I read it right and the 90 second thing is true, well I can hope this will encourage a lot of interesting videos at that length. Cheers Steve Elbows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] very good videoblogging tool!
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is everyone here like 12? how is this funny? this is retarded.. Just in case not everyone got the joke, I'm not really an asshole... ok, I am, but that's beside the point, the above comment is an excellent example from the vlog comment generator. It rules. You to can craft such fine comments with the touch of a button. Nice job guys. :) -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luckily, the Vlog Comment Generator can help you. Simply choose the type of comment you would like to publish and an appropriate comment will be generated for you. Experience what it's like to participate in an online conversation and share with others. We're here to help you get started!! http://comments.videoblogging.info/ I thought about this video all day at work - such reprieve from office life. Thanks. :-) Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] very good videoblogging tool!
is everyone here like 12? how is this funny? this is retarded.. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luckily, the Vlog Comment Generator can help you. Simply choose the type of comment you would like to publish and an appropriate comment will be generated for you. Experience what it's like to participate in an online conversation and share with others. We're here to help you get started!! http://comments.videoblogging.info/ I thought about this video all day at work - such reprieve from office life. Thanks. :-) Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] very good videoblogging tool!
I have had comment writers block. :) On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:53 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I miss the Grumpy Meiser!! There is no ecosystem complete without you! Maybe it would have been funnier if you saw it tomorrow for April Fools? Plus, you don't comment on my videos anymore; maybe it'll help you out!:) On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is everyone here like 12? how is this funny? this is retarded.. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog -- Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://hatfactory.net AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] pocket sized projectors, the future of impromptu video blog screenings?
One of my favorite things about pixelodeon was not the set screening room sessions but the widespread use of 17 macbooks for impromptu screening of all manner of videos over beers, at party's or simply gatherings in hotel rooms. It's these shared interactive viewing experiences that really make video come full circle as a part of real world face to face conversations. If the following nytimes article is correct pocket-able projection units are expected to hit the market by years end at $300-350. This could in 2009 usher in a whole new possibility for impromptu video screenings. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/business/30novelties.html I'd be curious to know if anyone has gotten their hands on any early prototypes yet. Perhaps there is some potential for sponsorship here at future video blogging events. Of course, cheap portable projectors could have far more ramifications then simple video blog screenings. I cannot begin to imagine how useful these things might become in the next 5 years. As they get cheaper they could one day become as common in laptops as video cams are now, and they have some interesting ramifications as secondary information displays for ambient information such as twitter, friend feed, Digg Spy, news, weather, and things we have yet to dream up. If they become ubiquitous enough they could further blur the spacial boundaries between office chair and arm chair, or put in other terms between computer screen and tv. As an information architect I find this prospect of a more ubiquitous physical information space fascinating. Anyone who has ever been on a trading room floor at an exchange will know what I'm talking about by ubiquitous information space. Or for that matter anyone who's watched a scifi movie where whole walls are information displays. Geography / real world space is the new frontier of cyberspace / media space. We've brought meat space to cyberspace, now we're increasingly bringing cyberspace back to meat space. This has tremendous implications for memory, productivity, and privacy. If the medium is the message, such bringing of video to meat space means that today's trends such as the personal and non-linear nature of videos will be nothing in comparison o the non-linearity and personal nature media created for this eventual future. Video made to be projected ubiquitously into the real world will have to be more non-linear, and in order to grab our attention be more personal then ever. The narrative will be ever increasingly abstracted and exploded. TV shows like south park, the simpsons and so called reality tv that are increasingly dependant on direct references to larger narratives in culture rather then their own sub plots will look as quaint as Leave it to Beaver in coming years. This goes for MTV's non-linear programing as well. It also means our notions of information overload today will quaint in comparison to those of tomorrow. Case in point these cheap tiny projectors are not just consumer technology. They may be used to assault our senses in yet new ways. They are perfect for projecting advertising in all manner of unpredictable spaces... subways, public bathrooms, elevators and more since they will be much cheaper, easier to install, and easier to secure then today's ad display systems. Of course a simple piece of gum will become a great weapon for future ad busters. :) I'm reminded of Jan of Faux Press's ideas of vlogvertising. We artists mine as well be the first to explore and exploit this newly opening media space. My dream of widespread true traditional gallery spaces for video blogging will increasingly become possible, even probable. Of course my 1984 type prediction is projected media will one day be as ubiquitous at assaulting our senses as video cam's are already becoming at recording our every action. My answer to that is we as citizens must preserve our right to give as well as we get in this future. Such is the important front line of the battle with public photography and graffiti. The right to arm oneself with a camera should be as protected as the right to free speech, or even more so then our right to Carry a gun. The camera is the new gun. I'm continually reminded of William Burrough's Apocalypse. Art leaps from its frames. A whole new frontier is starting to open for media space. And you thought all the real innovation had already happened. P.S. Don't even get me started on on 3D holographic projection. ;) -Mike mmeiser.com/blog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Conversation Tracking (was: Plugin for Video Comments)
comments below On Feb 7, 2008 4:14 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, i forgot one part. here's what Iove to see as a user. --Andreas posts a video on his blog. --we all get excited by it and each post a video on our own blog. This happens without me having typing in a bunch of code I dont understand. --Andreas's blog post grows with each video comment that magically senses the videos are about his video. IT SHOWS A THUMBNAIL FOR THE VIDEO, NOT JUST A TRACKBACK LINK. It doens't matter what service people have uploaded their videos to, or what blogging platform theyve used, or what codec they are using. --somehow a smart developer/hacker could harness all this video linking info, so she could show the conversations anyway she wanted to: linearly, by topic, whatever makes sense. --In this way, we could make sites like Semanal that let us track group projects while still being distributed. That pretty much sums it up for me Jay. No more having to tag stuff... post it to group vlog, or social networking site... or any of those convoluted means. I just post a video to my blog and point a link at the videoblog to which I'm referring. A trackback... but with expanded options. The video thumbnail should appear in the comments on the original vlog post... and I'd ad.. that when you click on it it should play in place. Going to try and catch up on the various conversations on this topic this morning. -Mike Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
I've been thinking about what Charles said. In theory we could extend wordpress' trackback mechanism. I'm not sure exactly how it currently works, but we could basically just extend it to identify video enclosures and embed those in the original blog post comments area. This might be THE simplest form of encouraging cross blogging. The next step would then be to make wordpress' comments RSS support enclosures. I'm not by any means an expert on Wordpress' trackback mechanisms but these should theoretically be two very practical steps that would encourage not just leaving videos in comments, but also re-vlogging your responses. I don't think these replace the need for a good video conversation tracker, but they're certainly very pragmatic / accomplishable first steps that would immediately enliven vlogging. It occurs to me that perhaps in the future a little CSS style work might be helpful in wordpress as well. Perhaps thee so called 'video responses should be brought up along side the original video (like on youtube), so they're more visible. This would involve pulling additional content such as thumbnails from trackbacks as well. Anyway, I like this idea, it's far more practical then then having a 3rd party tracker, and even better fits much better into the SIAB project schema. Let's keep talking about it. Maybe we can get to the point where we can identify and work out some of the issues, do a little research, spec out and design some concepts. Even if this is something that SIAB devides not to pursue I'd find the process worthwhile and perhaps it would lead to other things. So... does anyone know any practical reasons why we cannot expand on trackbacks to identify videos and embed them in the comments on the original post? -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On 2/4/08, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be nice if, for example, each WordPress (or Show in a Box) based video blog had a plugin that could show the entire threaded convo itself. That way you could see the convo no matter which video blog you were on. -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Motorsport Videos http://TireBiterZ.com/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/ On Feb 4, 2008 3:58 AM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Jay, is this an offer to develop it? I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of helping unappreciative companies / people build things that profit them and not giving anything back. The succubus is a good metaphor. yeah, lets not worry about creating a business. go into porn or the new Blackwater-style security services to make money. The primary requirements of such a system is users will be able to add RSS 2.0 / mediaRSS feeds with videos in them... it will also need to regularly crawl and DB these feeds and identify permalinks in the posts cross referencing other posts. Take a moment to check out Andreas writings on tracking conversations. He recently reminded me of his work back in 2004(!). Not sure if I was ready to grasp his ideas back then. http://www.solitude.dk/tag/conversation+tracking my experience and desire for any system screams for a visual presentation. a list of links doesnt excite me. I want to see thumbnails. i want to watch videos i the page easily. i want the page to make the videos look good. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Conversation Tracking (was: Plugin for Video Comments)
comments below On Feb 5, 2008 1:33 PM, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the use of cite and rev/rel -- it's meaning that's already defined. cite a rel=enclosure class=comment href=... type=video/...img class=thumbnail src=thumbnail.jpg //a In Response to: a rev=comment href=http://example.com/what_i_am_commenting_to;.../a /cite Seems to say it all. Doesn't it? I have no problem with rel=cite as an evolving standard... but most people don't use it yet and there's no reason we need to stick strictly to links using rel=cite. Anyway, it's irrelevant if we're using trackbacks. I assume trackbacks have their own mechanism. I'm not sure what all the talk about charts and graphs are all about ... I personally don't imagine ever using such an interface (I could be wrong) .. but I would love a way to list (at my post's permalink) video responses to my videos that people publish on their sites. Doesn't the above describe that pretty accurately? Charts and graphs? I don't know what you're talking about, but I assume you had something specific you were referring to? Sounds like what we need is a) a plugin that scans trackback urls for rev=comment and picks up any rel=enclosure type=video links within the same cite block ?? -- said plugin could then easily save for this trackback comment the same video comment fields that my recent plugin does for regular comments display them appropriately. (Other bigger/better plugins could use the same stored fields to display the video comments in all sorts of fabulous ways) basically yes but why bother scanning the trackback for rev=comment or rel cite. It's needlessly complex. What we need is a plugin that scans trackback data for an embed or enclosure. (Depending on what information is sent along in the trackback. I must admit I need to read up on it.) Anyway, if said enclosure or embed is found in the trackback... then this plugin would just display it in a similar manner to david meade's plugin. Rel=cite and rev=comment are needless complexity at this point. (am reading up on trackbacks, will clarify later) b) a simple way to let you post a video response on your site to a video elsewhere exactly -- what would be cool is a bookmarklet you can click in your browser while at someones post that sends you to your blogs write post page with the framework of the above syntax already completed. Just plugin your url to your video and your thumbnail and presto. (such plugin in of urls could be done in some whiz bang web2.0 way of course) hmm... basically what you're saying is creating a new post to my blog bookmarklet... that has a little additional meta info right? I could see this being expanded on later with all manner of features, but yeah, that's pretty cool. The key is step A I think. Details aside I think we're on the same page. To summarize. People should be able to respond to others video blog posts by posting a video response on their own blog (or directly in the blogs comments.) Either way that response should appear in the comments of the original blog post as an embedded item so it can be played right in the comments without leaving the page. Furthermore we need to push these video comments into the comment RSS feed... not just display them... so comment RSS feeds will need to become RSS2.0 compatible with enclosures... and increasingly other meta information should be included with mediaRSS and/or other necessary standards. At the very least this will alow people to track comments by using services like RSS-to-email... or by popping the comment RSS feed from a post into an aggregator like Miro of Fireant. I could see building on these mechanisms for video commenting in the future so that not only can you respond with a video right in the comments... or to your own blog... but a user icon of your choosing appears visually next to your comment. Never underestimate the power of a user icon in keeping conversations personal. This is something I find is personally lacking on most open blogging platforms. This user icon could potentially be pushed out through trackback mechanism... or be a piece of information pulled from your OpenID profile. From there of course we'd need new info in the comment RSS feed... such as a user icon for the author of each individual item. There may well be standards for this already. Anyway, I've gone a little to far and yet not far enough. I'm just painting a picture of where this is could go. It occurs to me I haven't even related this to the big picture I'm elluding to so I mine as well take it to yet another level. It is important not only to define mechanisms to bring the open vlogosphere up to speed with closed social networking sites like youtube and facebook, but also to make sure that data gets syndicated through RSS... so that it can finally be tracked wherever a user likes it. One day a user might not only be able to watch all their
Re: [videoblogging] Conversation Tracking (was: Plugin for Video Comments)
Here here. I'm very pleased with where this is headed. I'd like to keep the conversation as open (non-technical) as possible. Where you say media agnostic... I completely agree. It would be cool to have images embeded in the responses as well... and of course audio clips. We could make the world safe for discussion amongst all the Hugh McLeods, Joy of Tech and all other comics out there. God knows that comedy, and visual comics at that THE highest form of communication. :) I think Charles and David are well on the right track. I will continue to read up on what you've chronicled as well as trackbacks and other tech systems. On a side note, damn the new gmail is schweet... i see there are two responses just in the space of time it took me to write this. -Mike On Feb 5, 2008 3:17 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful to see excitement about this topic again, but as Sull says some level of samepageism is missing. I also have a feeling this list is not the optimal place to design such a system (a smaller working group would be better for starters). The last time the topic was seriously discussed on this list was back in August 2004 (!). It would be helpful to go back and read the comments back then to avoid having the exact same discussion all over again. I've collected my blog posts from then here: http://www.solitude.dk/tag/conversation+tracking (also includes links to some relevant threads on this group). There are many words on that page because this is a complicated issue. And yes, I still have a working copy of a pingback client/server solution that enables the technical side of this (no need to modify any spec. The technical tools are all available. No new specs needs to be written for this, no new CSS classes are needed). Code examples are also nice, but I think it's way too early for them at this point. It would be far more valuable to stop and sit down and think long and hard about how people communicate and converse on the web in general. What I've seen in this thread so far deals only with a very limited scenario (a person who posts a video and nothing else in response to a different video). That scenario doesn't even begin to represent how people are conversing, not in videoblogs, not in general on the web. A distributed commenting system must succeed in at least three cases: 1. Must be media agnostic and not make assumptions about the role of any media objects. Comments are not just a video or some text. At times the video is the main focal point of a comment, at times the video is a mere illustration and the meat is somewhere else. The system must not assume. 2. Must be able to support any kind of media mix in each comment. Comments are video with text or text with a photo or photo with a video (and so on and so on). The system must be able to handle these different kinds of media mixes. 3. Must be able to support a network structure (as the web), and not just threaded and flat comments. I'm seeing a lot of implicit assumptions in the proposals in this thread. It is imperative to make those assumptions explicit so it can be evaluated whether or not they are the correct ones. That discussion is not a technical discussion and that's why I think it's best to prohibit the use of technical jargon (no one is allowed to say RSS, ATOM, HTML etc.) to keep the focus on *what* kind of system you are looking to build before you go about solving *how* to build it. - Andreas Den 05.02.2008 kl. 13:33 skrev David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I like the use of cite and rev/rel -- it's meaning that's already defined. cite a rel=enclosure class=comment href=... type=video/...img class=thumbnail src=thumbnail.jpg //a In Response to: a rev=comment href=http://example.com/what_i_am_commenting_to;.../a /cite Seems to say it all. Doesn't it? I'm not sure what all the talk about charts and graphs are all about ... I personally don't imagine ever using such an interface (I could be wrong) .. but I would love a way to list (at my post's permalink) video responses to my videos that people publish on their sites. Doesn't the above describe that pretty accurately? Sounds like what we need is a) a plugin that scans trackback urls for rev=comment and picks up any rel=enclosure type=video links within the same cite block ?? -- said plugin could then easily save for this trackback comment the same video comment fields that my recent plugin does for regular comments display them appropriately. (Other bigger/better plugins could use the same stored fields to display the video comments in all sorts of fabulous ways) b) a simple way to let you post a video response on your site to a video elsewhere -- what would be cool is a bookmarklet you can click in your browser while at someones post that sends you to your blogs write post page with the
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Conversation Tracking (was: Plugin for Video Comments)
On Feb 5, 2008 3:50 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm yes. It makes sense to talk about it here, but only if it can be done in a way that encourages wider input. It may b hard at this stage as a working prototype might be a lot clearer to the masses than attempt to put it into words, but may as well keep talking about it here for now anyways. So it seems we need to deal with conversations that are in different places and in a variety of media formats. My area of interest, and the reason I went on about how it would look earlier, is when it comes to these conversations not being linear, when they go off at tangents or are asides rather than the main thread of conversation. I would guess we will end up seeing a web rather than a straightforward chain? At that point my brain explodes. I personally believe there is no reason to ever display more then two levels of a thread at a time. I am annoyed by systems like digg and slashdot with their complexity. How this SIMPLICITY works in this scenario. For practical purposes you only need to see the original post and the responses pertaining directly to it. For example - Joe posts - jane responds - bill responds - jake responds - jane responds again Now... jane might have responded on her own videoblog and that may have 8 direct comments and 12 trackbacks on it... but if you want to read janes post in its entirety you can click through to it and read it and the 20 responses on Jane's video blog. - Jane starts a new thread on her vlog - joe responds - jane respond to joe - jake responds It is not necessary... and indeed needlessly complex to try and represent the whole of the conversation in one big gigantic tree. You can see this on conversations right here on the yahoo groups as well. Anyone using gmail, mail.app, and most other threaded email systems only sees the thread as a single level. Initial topic -- indidual responses If there is need for the thread to branch then someone, in the case of this thread David Meade, starts a new thread. As goes with this yahoo group so goes with comments on blogs. I'm not saying btw... that there isn't value in visuallizing the whole tree... it's fun, it's interesting... people might want to explore these trees to find out who the key influencers are and attempt to buy influence... who knows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influencer_marketing But so far such reasearch has proven nothing but that it's impossible to predict influencers except in hind-site If there is a game or gaming, then the game resists it. Ive just gone off social graph stuff. Im worried that relationships between people are open to a lot of abuse by spam or worse, that more emphasis is placed on the quality of such data than it should be. Im far more interested in graphs of conversations themselves, in what is being said between people who may not be previously connected, and may never be again. I guess I love the open and levelling nature of such conversations, no danger of getting all wrapped up with concepts like whether someone is a 'friend'. Im probably talking a load of rubbish, I dunno, got a temperature, my second cold of 2008 woohoo. There's a lot of talk about key influencers and idiots who want to unlock the key of making viral media but the more such people probe and attempt to exploit the more the general population defies such influences and influencers. Indeed if there is any direction control is going it's to the people. The people are the one's who choose some viral phenom to happen while thwarting marketing and ad agencies best attempts to influence. No amount of prediction can change this. We see that right now in politics with gallop polls, and predictive markets. Noone can truely predict the winner. Prective markets in fact should be properly renamed reactive markets because that is truely all they're doing. But I'm sooo off point. Sorry. Peace, -Mike Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful to see excitement about this topic again, but as Sull says some level of samepageism is missing. I also have a feeling this list is not the optimal place to design such a system (a smaller working group would be better for starters). The last time the topic was seriously discussed on this list was back in August 2004 (!). It would be helpful to go back and read the comments back then to avoid having the exact same discussion all over again. I've collected my blog posts from then here: http://www.solitude.dk/tag/conversation+tracking (also includes links to some relevant threads on this group). There are many words on that page because this is a complicated issue. And yes, I still have a working copy of a pingback client/server solution that enables the technical side of this (no need to modify any spec. The technical tools are
Re: [videoblogging] Conversation Tracking (was: Plugin for Video Comments)
Just scanning. Sweet, love the gravatar idea and that you already have included video enclosures in the comment RSS feeds. Can't wait to read up on gravatars (http://site.gravatar.com/). There have to be other explorations of this idea too. I think a user thumbnail is a natural piece of information that should be included as part of the openID spec and should be managed by the idenity broker wether that be 3rd party or your own website. I must admit i'm a bit behind on OpenID. fun stuff there. What I keep seeing is we're drastically simplifying what we'd need to actually accomplish these goals. What I see is a simple need to explore this video trackbacks idea and then to keep making incrimental improvements. -Mike On Feb 5, 2008 3:50 PM, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 5, 2008 3:12 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem with rel=cite as an evolving standard... but most people don't use it yet and there's no reason we need to stick strictly to links using rel=cite. Anyway, it's irrelevant if we're using trackbacks. I assume trackbacks have their own mechanism. .. snip ... but why bother scanning the trackback for rev=comment or rel cite. It's needlessly complex. Are you sure that's the case? I thought they pretty much sent title, snippet, url. cite isn't a rel its just an html tag -- but the rel/rev attributes already semantically describe relationships between pages. Anyway, it may be required to request the trackbacking response and scan it for rev/rel attributes .. or it may not (if the content provided by the initial trackback is sufficient so be it) ... The point I was trying to make is that the syntax to describe all this (as I understand it anyway) already exists. People MAY not be using rev/rel in all the places they could today .. but they certainly wont be using something we just make up / pull out of the air ... might as well stick to the 'standard' that already exists, no? Rel=cite and rev=comment are needless complexity at this point. ?? In order to accomplish what? There is a simpler way to define relationships between posts? rev/rel has been a part of html for a while now. Making something else up is easier? What we need is a plugin that scans trackback data for an embed or enclosure. (Depending on what information is sent along in the trackback. I must admit I need to read up on it.) Well again, I'm not sure that trackbacks provide enough data for that to happen. Also, there may very well be many embeds or enclosures at a url. It's only the rev=comment video we're interested in. (isn't it?) Anyway, if said enclosure or embed is found in the trackback... then this plugin would just display it in a similar manner to david meade's plugin. (this assumes there is only one such item at the url) Furthermore we need to push these video comments into the comment RSS feed... not just display them... so comment RSS feeds will need to become RSS2.0 compatible with enclosures... and increasingly other meta information should be included with mediaRSS and/or other necessary standards. This is the easy part. (the plugin I made does that now). The hard part is identifying remote posts as remote comments to a local post. I would say at this moment I feel the next steps may be. 1) getting david meade's plugin to not only display video comments so they play in place, but also so that the comment RSS feeds include these videos as enclosures with other relevant metadata such as thumbnails and such Um that's already in place. :-) It was the whole point of the plugin - to get them as enclosures into the comment rss feed. Done. I didn't add mediaRSS tags (which allow for things like thumbnails), but I easily could. I'll add that to the next version. 2) possibly building a plugin or adding to dave's plugin the ability to identify videos in trackbacks and embed them in blog post comments so they can be played in place That's where I was going with the trackback scanning idea. But it would be pointless to do so until we agree on what identifies a video comment in a trackback. (I'm still of the opinion that the existing syntax of rev/rel gives us what we need here). 3) adding this trackback meta info to the comment RSS feed as well Isn't this already in place? I'm pretty sure they're treated just like any other comment. ... but a user icon of your choosing appears visually next to your comment. Never underestimate the power of a user icon in keeping conversations personal. This is something I find is personally lacking on most open blogging platforms. This user icon could potentially be pushed out through trackback mechanism... or be a piece of information pulled from your OpenID profile. A bit off topic, but I totally agree! I'm a big fan of the gravatar idea. ( http://site.gravatar.com/ ) There's already a WP plugin
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
comments below On Feb 4, 2008 6:58 AM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Jay, is this an offer to develop it? I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of helping unappreciative companies / people build things that profit them and not giving anything back. The succubus is a good metaphor. yeah, lets not worry about creating a business. go into porn or the new Blackwater-style security services to make money. nough said The primary requirements of such a system is users will be able to add RSS 2.0 / mediaRSS feeds with videos in them... it will also need to regularly crawl and DB these feeds and identify permalinks in the posts cross referencing other posts. Take a moment to check out Andreas writings on tracking conversations. He recently reminded me of his work back in 2004(!). Not sure if I was ready to grasp his ideas back then. http://www.solitude.dk/tag/conversation+tracking my experience and desire for any system screams for a visual presentation. a list of links doesnt excite me. I want to see thumbnails. i want to watch videos i the page easily. i want the page to make the videos look good. thumbnails, embeded videos, visual presentation, that' the easy part jay. It occurs to me I have never put my CSS skills to work in this space... it's way past time I actually put my css skills to work. The big issue is this would require some significant DB work and some good programing. As I said this is nothing that hasn't already been demonstrated through vlogdir, show in the box and other projects in this space. I will happily read up on Andreas' blog posts on the subject. Raymond (dltq.org) and I had a blog at intermediated.com with a bunch of stuff on conversation tracking, but we took it offline since we hadn't posted to it in awhile. Hopefully there's an archive for it somewhere. -Mike Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
I think it would need someone who can develop it to do a protype of the idea in it's most simple form, a proof of concept. -Mike On Feb 4, 2008 11:42 AM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldnt say it is that easy, a really intuitive system will need more thought in this area than we normally see. Sure, at its most basic its not that hard, but Id sure like to see some attempts to experiment more with how multiple videos are presented visually, see if there is room to bring a lot more fun ease to this realm. As well as plugins that would work with wordpress or whatever, Id really like to see an opensource flash video player that had this sort of stuff built into it, plus the best of features offered by sites/services like blip, youtube etc. Its a shame my flash skills are pretty bad, Id really like to help do working mockup of this stuff, but right now Id probably have to do it in mac-only quartz composer, or wmv-only silverlight, unless I can find the cash time to understand actionsript in flash better. Im not totally sure it makes sense to combine thse wishes with the stuff you are talking about, dont want to overcomplicate the mission, but it could be an opportunity to fill a few other gaps in the 'what wecan do without 3rd party hosted services' department. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thumbnails, embeded videos, visual presentation, that' the easy part jay. It occurs to me I have never put my CSS skills to work in this space... it's way past time I actually put my css skills to work. The big issue is this would require some significant DB work and some good programing. As I said this is nothing that hasn't already been demonstrated through vlogdir, show in the box and other projects in this space. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Sorry, been away from my computer a few days. So Jay, is this an offer to develop it? I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of helping unappreciative companies / people build things that profit them and not giving anything back. The succubus is a good metaphor. In the meantime we can continue to discuss this theoretical interface. I believe there are enough developers in this space with enough skills and that there's some unutilized infrastructure... ie. I wonder if sull would be interested in helping out and dusting off some of the old vlogdir code base. The primary requirements of such a system is users will be able to add RSS 2.0 / mediaRSS feeds with videos in them... it will also need to regularly crawl and DB these feeds and identify permalinks in the posts cross referencing other posts. Finally this service would need to identify the comments RSS feeds from these vlog feeds. Beyond that it's just basic display. A primitive display might look like this Twitervlog: A proposal, Semenal (9) - responses: RyanneEdit (8), KityKity (12), MomentShowing (1), mmeiser blog (0) SIAB vlog: announcing comment tracking (12) - responses: joevlog (0), evilvlog (3), janevlog (5) mmeiser blog: tracking video comments (3) - responses: evilvlog (1), This is basicly how techmeme and megite.com display with the exception, with the addition of the display number of comments on the posts. Just like gmail the thread with the latest activity appears on top. In this way the most active meme will always bubble up to the top. What this would accomplish would be enriching and enliving an organic and open conversational ecosystem that already exists. Thus making the vlogosphere even more highly visual, decentralized, and open... instead of us always falling back on closed ecosystems like twitter, yahoo groups, and youtube. This is basically what services like techmeme.com do for the open blogosphere, but of course promoting the open vlogosphere. Of course this is just round one. Unlike Techmeme and Megite.com which are based SOLEY on general activity... I would next create a my tracker feature whereby people signup and favorite / import their subscroptions and thus track THEIR favorite vlogs instead of some generalized / popularized vlogosphere. In this way instead of displaying simply the most popular threads in the vlogosphere... (f*ck popularity contests)... it would display what's being talked about amongst MY friends / MY favorite vlogs. In this way it would transcend the same old popularity contest of sites like techeme, megit.com, digg, youtube, and pretty much every damn site and service their is.. and become a PERSONAL COMMUNICATIONS tool, a tool for tracking open media rich conversations amongst friends. Future versions might then add features like more robust RSS, displaying videos embeded inline, auto-emailed responses and so on to encourage further intermediaries. I imagine one day, as federated ID systems like OpenID become standards on blog platforms... you might not only be able to track discussions across your favorite videoblogs... but track the actual comments of your friends on these blog posts as well. In other words since people would be using the same OpenID no matter what blog they were commenting on the tracker would be able to identify the ID's of you and your friends and thus track your specific friends comments on blog posts. What's more... since you can manage your OpenID... you can actually have multiple idenities, even anonymous identities and thus managing your level of privacy while still participating in the great debate in an open manner. A rudimentary example of what this advanced tracker might look like follows == begin advanced tracker example == Twitervlog: A proposal, Semenal - comments by your friends: mmeiser, jaydedman, ryanne, FauxPress, and 8 others - blog posts by your friends: RyanneEdit (8), KityKity (12), MomentShowing (1), mmeiser blog (1) and 8 others SIAB vlog: Announcing comment tracking - comments by your friends: lriene, AdrianM, Sull and 8 others - blog posts by your friends: joevlog (0), evilvlog (3), janevlog (5) mmeiser blog: tracking video comments (3) - comments by friends: Jan of FauxPress, ryannedit, jaydedman - blog posts by your friends: evilvlog (1), == end advanced tracker example == In this scenario the threads themselves are determined by vlogs YOU have subscribed to... and the comments and blog posts shown are also vlogs YOU have subscribed to... with the addition of numbers representing additional comments or posts from others you have NOT subscribed to or friended. Ok! So there we have it! That's the basic gist. A media rich converation tracker for an open network of blogs and potentiall friends with OpenID's. My suggestion
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
comments below On 2/2/08, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how does a tracker help me follow conversations across different sites? that might be the wrong question. If you could map link structures between blogs then the patterns that form, and the clusters (eg your blog would be a dense node since many others link to it) provide ways of visualising and *discovering* relationships. There are mapping tools that already do this well. But if you take this down to the post level, then things get really interesting. This is because it is all about granularity, so if you can see that there is a cluster (a series of connections between parts) then you can discover new things, precisely because the structures that emerge in blogging (relations between blog posts) are emergent rather than predetermined or hierarchical. when you start talking like tis Adrian, you lose me. I am understanding the concepts of video commenting and following the threads. im in. So everyone is video commenting to each other. It's this beautiful ecology going on spread out across blogs, totally decentralized. What does Meiser's tracker service look like? I go to a page and see what? a list of videos? links? While I love reading Adrian... I must agree that bit is a little hard to follow. I hesitate to do a mockup... because quite frankly the concept is simple enough it should be explainable at this point in plain text. In fact I find if something isn't explainable in plain text then you haven't simplified it enough. That said... maybe I should do some type of mockup at some point, but only if it's understood and we're ready to move on to the next step. Take a look at my email response and let me know if you still don't get it. I'll do what i can. The key is that we need to make the open vlogosphere compete with such closed services as youtube. In order to do this we're going to need development not only on the hosting platforms itself... ie. wordpress... but we're also going to need development on the consumption end this could be trackers, desktop video aggregators, search, etc. SIAB and others projects and services have done a good job of doing what they can on the hosting side. Miro, Fireant and others have done a nice job on improving interfaces for simply watching videos. The hole right now is in services that make the conversations happening in this open space easily trackable and more visible. These services are going to have to be destination sevices (websites), but they can also be open source software so anyone can make an alternative destination / website. All this is to say we cannot solve the problems of the vlogosphere by focusing on the host alone. Good, high visiblity trackers will promote our agenda to invigorate this open ecosystem as oposed to it collapsing onto youtube's and facebooks. Many have put it this way. Facebook is not a social network the INTERNET is a social network. Kazzaa and Bittorrent are not file sharing network, the internet is a file sharing network. By pulling stuff out of these darkents and out into the open we can spur much greater innovation. We have to continue to drag the conversation out of the darknets... wether that be dragging media out of P2P markets and onto the open web... or dragging social ties out of proprietary services like Facebook. Peace, -Mike jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008 3:48 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to, well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this: videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts and conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their posts more like an online version of a tv show. And then everything in-between. But to take the newspaper comparison further, the NY Times is fully copyrighted...but you can still quote their text in your own work without permission. Ding. Ding. Ding. (pardon the bad rhetorical device, jay's words speaketh to me. :) Video has never been something accessible to the masses as a means of communication until very recently. (check out the history of the mass democratization of photography for parallels on how the video space will/is evolving) It would seem obvious that the ability to quote photographic, audio, and video communications for the sake of communicating in multimedia would have to happen. Oh... wait it already is... :) Despite abhorrent fair use law and all the draconian legislation in the world it's still happening. Youtube is widely censoring a lot of truly fair use material, but even more is getting through and an infinite amount of people beyond that are learning to not use youtube and use services that actually respect their users right to express themselves. Mass democratization is overwhelming lame bureaucratic crutches as always happens in such ages of enlightenment. One example that lands squarely on the issue is the tom cruise scientology video. Gawker reposted it after Youtube nixed it. The video is not a parody... though there plenty now. It's not a clip. It's an entire video. Many would say it's not protected under fair use at all... it may simply be copyright infringement. But are we to go around with our hands over our eyes about such dangerous cults (I say that having researched the matter heavily and really is that simple), to deny their evils because they happen in a privatized media space or private cyberspace? When increasingly all the public spaces are privately owned... malls in the real world, media companies in the media space, or linden labs / Second Life and web-services in cyberspace... parties could potentially claim ownership over any 'view of themselves they don't like. Whether that view be expressed in photo, in video, or audio. Our right to fair use of media in the great media rich conversation is by proxy / by necessity radically being redefined. The truth is if said cult was successful in bringing down the main video on gawker, youtube and everywhere else... it would cause a thousand fold more innovative parody, and critical fair use videos and that's probably exactly how it's going to play out. In a way... it stimulates a certain kind of creativity. Barbara Striesand style. To be blunt... you speak of this issue of prohibition in a speakeasy... one of a thousand speakeasy's on the eve of prohibitions collapse. So! That said. There are plenty of ways to post video comments. Just as long as (1) the architecture is open enough for people to use a variety of services (including hand posting a video to their own vlog)... I don't see (2) the fair use thing being an issue that will stop it or even slow it down. Information wants to be free and all that junk. The key architecting and open enough system for posting them via multiple services and hosts, and even more importantly... really good systems for TRACKING them. There is also the one last thing (s) important simple, easy to use UI's... but I imagine the blip's and other host of the world will have no problem with this. It's the tracking that has changed over the last year or two. It's the huge innovations in tracking, tracking proof of concepts which has changed in the last year. Where once people were posting simple text comments on blogs without any way to track them / know if their was any response... there are now dozens of services like co.mments.com, techmeme, built in blog software email me responses checkboxes and other mechanisms... so that comments can evolve into true back / forth discussion instead of simply the equivalent of yelling into the wind... from a mountain top... One last comment regarding architecture. it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using permalink tracking. Joe vlogs -- Mary vlogs about Joe's post linking directly to Joe's vlog post -- Joe responds on his vlog linking to Mary's post. Then via various third party systems and track-back mechanisms this conversation becomes visible... trackable... and even RSS subscribe-able... sort of like a tag meme... but much more natural. All that's MISSING from this equation is the
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008 4:53 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm yes thats the sort of problem that I was gibbering about in post the other day, if comments and conversations are fragmented across multiple websites, how to piece that all back together again and present it in a sane way. Consider this emphasis... that is exactly the big issue... not the copyright issues and not the GUI issues for posting the videos. Youtube has it relatively easy due to their large audience, and being a walled garden. Proprietary systems always have an initial advantage in this area... but they immediately get entrenched. In actuality while youtube' initial system was a huge leap forward it's now one of the biggest set backs on the site... suffers from a lack of any further innovation. In short youtube's video comments will be usurped widely by innovation in the open space in the next few years. Meanwhile we see all sorts of innovative ways to do things with video commenting conversations, but these features are often part of yet another new business/service, that struggles to attract enough users. Exactly. It's already widely being solved in the plain old blogging space... as always we have only to look to our older wiser brother's lead. The biggest social conversational use of video on the net that I have seen so far, is people embedding videos that they did not make or publish to the web themselves, in their own blogs, forum posts, funwalls on facebook or wherever. Simple, crude, effective, limiting in all sorts of ways but easy enough to be done by lots of people. And another demonstration that although blogging RSS feeds aggregators brought many people to the party, the embedded flash video in the browser has been an absolutely massive part of the online video boom of recent years. I agree... the widespread talking about videos wether embedded or simply linked to on other blogs, user groups, sites, platforms, etc is one of best forms of discussion... rather than the simple commenting on on the original hosts site. I HEART RECONTEXTUALIZATION. Big time. What's more... it's EXTREMELY simple to track these conversations with a tracker across multiple blogs / vlogs. The information is all in the RSS. It's all floating around out there. It just requires someone to mine it and present it in a great visual and trackable way. There are MANY experiments like megite.com and techmeme. Even mefeedia's channels which are modeled after Planet Planet vlogs... simply binding together activity from multiple RSS feeds into one channel... are a primitive experiment in this. mefeedia's prime failing is it fails to display activity such as comments, revlogging, and permalink references outside of the site itself. To be blunt it's it's own little myopic world. (Again, I'm not longer affiliated with mefeedia.) Cheers Cheers indeed. Steve Elbows -Mike of mmeiser.com :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen that Blip offers comments RSS for each post, but most of the time the conversations are happening at the vlogs, which have varying support for Comments RSS. It is quite a large engineering effort. Regards, Frank --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Blogger just recently allowed commentors to check a box fo follow comments via email. Havent any idea what you guys' are taling about, but... I love it when the coders get all excited. :) Jan On Jan 31, 2008 7:22 AM, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is in blogger feeds On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: Cool. Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed: http://sull.blip.tv/rss item guid isPermaLink=false9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011/guid linkhttp://blip.tv/file/586535/link titleWhat is it that's driving this?/title [...] wfw:commentRss http://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232amp;skin=rss /wfw:commentRss commentshttp://blip.tv/file/586535/comments /item wfw, as in wfw:comments, stands for well formatted web spec is as mentioned here: http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ comments being part of the original RSS 2.0 spec. It appears to be the url to the page where you can make a comment. So... Basically we have the start of a potential working ecosystem. The next question is who else supports this? Wordpress? Blogger? Moveable type? Feedburner? If not already a part of Wordpress could it be implimented with a plugin or added to an existing plugin from SIAB or that which david meade just created? Will have to do more research. -Mike
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008 10:01 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, at 4:28 AM, Jay dedman wrote: I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make video comments. Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used. Most times though, people are just linking to their own videos so they can ride out the popularity of someone else's video. Youtube is the the city wall where everyone wheatpastes their flyers. I know some here are unfamiliar with my short tempered rants on this particular subject, but Jay is 100% on the money. The web works by its porousness and permeability. Small bits and the rest of it. Video still flies in the face of this. Sorry for dot points, I'm supposed to be working for my employer at the moment You have short tempered rants on this subject!? Sudden realization that I have obviously missed something really good. Where are those at? time to pull out gmail and mine my 50,000 email history. 1. why can't I use QT plugin to copy and paste a part of your video into my QT player? (just as I can copy text straight out of a web browser). cool... I totally feel you here... you can at least download a qt video, open it in qt and then do this... but this PALES in comparison to the hurdles with f*cking flash video. 2. why treat video as little closed media objects online? we could right a book on this subject, I feel it would be more productive for me to mine for your past comments... are they on here or on one of your blogs. 3. for example if you have a credit sequence, but I quote the middle of your video, what point is your credit sequence? Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is interefernceable. A sort of mythic beast / grail quest project with a slippery slope. 4. we do this with text every day. just look at what my email client has done with Jay's email as an everyday matter of course: quoted it, changed it tyopographically to indicate this, and let me add to it. It retains his name, and clearly indicates that some of the text here comes from somewhere else. I still haven't seen much that does this for video. Yes, deinitely the same wavelength. Again.. I point to the history of photo for parrells since the image is much further along in the process of democratization by the masses then video. 5. blogs solved all of this for online writing with permalinks, a post structure, trackback. And this should be the starting point which vlogging builds upon. I don't think much of comments. They seem old skool to me. I know I love to get 'em, but that's just vanity. Check Comments are aggregating others views to my own identity, I much prefer people to write something in their blog and link to me - so I rate trackbacks way above comments (which is why every now and then over 8 years I've had comments on, comments off, etc). Completely agree... andreas is the exact same way... so much so there's no comments on his solitude.dk So while video comments are interesting, I think a much more interesting (and harder thing) to do would be to quote some of your video in my video and for your video or video blog post, to know about this (video trackback) so it is as much of an almost palimpsest (wrong word but suggestive) as a good blog with its quotes, links out, links in, etc... I'll have to read up on your word to get your meaning... But I disagree that when we talk about video commenting we're ONLY talking about putting videos into comments on people's blogs... I would suggest we instead include vlog to vlog comments in this general discussion of video commenting... and drag it out into the open. cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Cheers, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On Jan 31, 2008 10:05 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you should but technically one is trivial computationally the other much more complicated. Also text has clear standards. Quote marks, standardised referencing systems to indicate source, right down to year, page, and object, etc. There is no way to easily indicate this inside video. While there's tons of technical issues... what you're talking about here is tradition Unlike text there are few to no traditions and rituals for video remix and quoting as mass use is a very recent phenom. I'm reminded of a very british idea. If you sit down to a proper british meal you have a fork for every occassion. However in the media world we have only one fork... Our new media diet has 8 more courses then our text one and we have not the proper implimentations. DIY means getting in there, getting dirty and using your hands. I heart metaphors. In fact even text communications traditions are overwhelmed. Younger generations are going nots on the 1337 (elite) speek and meanwhile older generations and professionals are shaking their canes / dictionaries / manuals on grammer... and whatever else they've got and freaking out. I can't wait until some old person throws their fork at me... my metaphor will be complete. :) In addition text is just different to video, they're different meaning systems and operate quite differently and so it means something different to quote text to quoting image and moving image. They're not the same things - that's one reason why things got quite intense around the lumiere discussion. It isnt' helped that while people treat their writing, eg email, as more or less transient and minor (scraps if you like) we still treat our video as whole, proper, mine, and so deserving of respect or consideration. We just treat them as whole finished things which we don't really let go of, whereas words are just, well, an ascii wake while we flow through the web. now we're talking literacy? I just think of media has higher forms of language. There is an awesome TED conference video of an English artist that uses celebrity as the language in her art... Similar in many ways to Andy Warhol's pop art, but also completely original. I think boing boing called it paparazzi art It's an awesome exploration of a new medium (cellebrity) as a language and an art. Recontext at its finest. I will have to digg it up. -mike On 01/02/2008, at 4:37 AM, David King wrote: Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video- based words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both. cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
comments below On Feb 1, 2008 12:10 AM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, at 3:58 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using permalink tracking. hi Mike here ye, here ye. or is that hear ye hear ye? whichever, agree absolutely and this really would make interesting things in video. Once this happens then you can map relations, since there is something to map (what's there to map on a post with comments?). and when you map you discover new relations/patterns etc. Ha... the more things change the more they stay the same... the space has developed light years in only 3 years... hard to believe... and yet we're still basically talking about the same things... revlogging. It is much evolved though. -Mike cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
comments below On Jan 31, 2008 10:37 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, at 2:23 PM, Markus Sandy wrote: are you referring to http://www.mystickies.com/ ? i think there are several services like this now (sort of defeats the point) i recall a firefox plugin always been surprised that this did not take off more. weren't there libel issues in the early days that dampened this a bit? hi Markus yep, that's them :-) in the hypertext development community there was an effort to make (well, they did make) systems that let you annotate any other webpage and these annotations would be stored centrally to be distributed to others who used the service. The point was to add another layer on top of published page, much like how you make annotations when reading a book, but of course to share these. thinking out of left field, this would be really cool using flash or QT as you could have a layer (toggle its visibility) which could show such annotations, eg othre videos elsewhere that refer to this particular video. Could be time based too... This strikes me as the most brilliant idea of all. To turn the web into a giant media rich wiki with infinite version history. What's more i think it's 100% doable technically, theoretically and financially It solves many of the issues I've seen with the media web. I'd mentioned Ted Nelsen's Zanadu project and it's many reincarnations all of them ending up being vaporware and existing almost completely in theoretical or academic relm despite millions of dolllars. I don't know half the specifics, but there's definitely some parrallels. I'd always had this idea of broadband communities or 'aggregatory communities... but what if instead of aggregating these communities and the many webservices which served them brought the commentary, the context to the original content in layer upon layer. Sort of proxy services. Add in not just sticky notes, but media remixing, rewriting, and history but actual functionality changes as is starting to happen with greasemonkey and you have not just worlds upon worlds with different perspective but also that function differently. Maybe that is more the social network of the future. Something you try on like a new set of glasses. -Mike cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
On 2/1/08, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is interefernceable. A sort of mythic beast / grail quest project with a slippery slope. on the way home but can't resist a quick boast. I'm the recipient of the 2001 3rd Ted Nelson Award for Hypertext Structure as the Event of Connection (annual hypertext conference that year in Aarhus - nod to Andreas). Ted was there, intertwingling is my mantra :-) Haha! Mike roles on floor laughing. You freak! :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertwingularity Maybe I should drop the terms recontext, intermediation singularity and just start addopting intertwingling, intertwingularity, intertwingledness and many other great derivatives. You realize you're scaring everyone right? Incredibly mundane is the term I think most would use to describe the majority of this conversation. -Mike cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Plugin for Video Comments
Sweet work David, Jay and everyone who worked on it. Now all we need is 3rd party services, i.e. aggregators and meme trackers to start tracking video comments as well as simply RSS feeds. This has long been one of the biggest failings of aggregators. it' not just about the RSS... it's about the conversations at the end of the permalinks... AND it's about other bloggers and their blog posts referencing each other. As people such as David, Jay and the Show in the box team build more value into the comments hopefully others will stand up and take notice. Conversation tracking, meme tracking, or social aggregation. There are many names and many approaches to exploring what is I personally think is a whole new frontier beyond the diggs, facebooks, twitters and myspaces into a much more organic and natural social space. These aggregators will make 1.0 versions of aggregators look one dimensional. And they are. Examples of 1.0 aggregators - bloglines - google newsreader - various software aggregators: itunes, fireant, miro, newsgator, netnewswire, vienna Examples of experiments in conversation tracking are - co.comments.com - cocomment.com - Megatite - Commentful, commentful.blogflux.com And a couple of Meme trackers - megite.com - techmeme.com There' probably a bunch I don't know about or am forgetting about. I have yet to see a RSS / blog aggregator that also tracks users comments well. But there are a few out there who's names I can't remember yet. I think the one web-service in this space that is best positioned to start tracking video comments and memes across the vlogosphere is mefeedia, but sadly though i've pushed and pushed it hasn't happened yet. Consider this another suggestion. (Disclaimer: I'm not longer a part of mefeedia.) -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Jan 30, 2008 1:46 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you using Wordpress, Davod Meade craeted a whole new plugin for video comments: http://www.davidmeade.com/wordpress-plugins#videoComments It seems works much better than what we were using Semanal: http://semanal.org/2008/01/27/week-5-2008-video-commenting-is-live/ The plugin adds some extra fields to the comment area. The video comment then shows up as a clickable thumbnail and lays inline if you also have vPIP installed. This is a good example of old fashioned team work. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VlogEurope 2008 date and time suggestion
Damn yahoo and google. The vlogeurope url again: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vlogeurope/ Google staight up censors yahoo groups. They're blacklisted from google. Asshole google. http://www.google.com/search?q=yahoo+groups+vlogeurope And yahoo with their stupid urls. Why not groups.yahoo.com/vlogeurope or vlogeurope.yahoo.com. Who knows! Idiots. FYI, wanting to go to vlogeurope and going to vlogeurope are to very very different things. Budapest does not seem to me to be the most accessible european city from the US. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Jan 30, 2008 10:01 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Den 30.01.2008 kl. 03:37 skrev Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The good news never ends. Hungary is not on the Euro, so it's still relatively affordable for Americans. The Hungarian currency is pegged to the Euro so currency exchange rates does not save Americans money. If the Euro goes up against the dollar, the Hungarian currency goes up against the dollar (just like the Danish krone). It's cheaper to stay there than in say... Paris or Copenhagen, but it's not because of the exchange rates. :o) Watch for flight sales and book then. Prices from the US to Europe seriously drop when one flies after October 1. My advice for anyone coming is to fly into a major European hub (London, Paris, Frankfurt, etc. etc.) and check http://whichbudget.com to see which budget airlines fly to Budapest. Budapest is also within easy train distance to Vienna, Bratislava, and is a bit longer to Munich. Train tickets can be VERY cheap, but you have to book upwards of three months in advance to get the omg-I-paid-so-little fares. I don't have the balls to do that kind of flying (I know others do). If you book your trip as two separate flights and your first flight is delayed there is *no* compensation for the flight you miss. Maybe not a big deal coming in, but a giant financial pain in the ass if you miss your transatlantic flight coming home. If I were to book flights like that I'd leave at least 24 hours in the connecting city (and then you have to pay for a hotel meaning your costs would end up around the same). Budapest is beautiful. This is an excellent excuse to go back. Another good excuse is the goulash. Mmmm. - Andreas -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen http://www.solitude.dk/ Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VlogEurope 2008 date and time suggestion
On Jan 30, 2008 4:07 PM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you're coming, Steve. Right? On 30/01/2008, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not true. Google for vlogeurope on its own and the yahoo group comes 2nd in the results. Comes up 6th for me. Damn google customizing search results. lol But this still is still extremely weird. There is something illogical and inorganic there. yahoo groups vlogeurope should work. And it's not just with this either... evertime I search for a yahoo group I have this problem. Yahoo doesn't use yahoo groups in their page titles but they do use it all over their yahoo groups pages... AND google groups do show up in their search results. Obviously google is intentionally doing something here... modding down yahoo groups. The only thing I can think of is either google is evil and trying to push google groups / supress yahoo... or they're doing it because of the tremendous potential spam I assume yahoo groups gets. But I must shut up, we're so incredibly off topic. Sorry everyone. -Mike Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google staight up censors yahoo groups. They're blacklisted from google. Asshole google. http://www.google.com/search?q=yahoo+groups+vlogeurope -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
It's not that complex though to track comments. You follow the permalink. You parse the page one time... you look for the comment RSS most platforms have them now. You display all or part of the comments in the aggregator... maybe as trackbacks, you just take them into account in the aggregator as ranking info, display them with the other comments and on site activity... maybe you simply say 8 more comments at joevlog.com. This last idea in particular is a personal favorite of mine because it simultaneously drives traffic back to the vlog while adding value to the aggregator. There in fact may be packages / API's out by now on for tracking blog comments... there are certainly meta standards, at least one documented micoformat for comments. There are of course potential partners. I've chatted with the guys at co.mments.com. They're huge potential for them to licensce their technology. It actually makes much more sense then running a single webservice for them... because obviously mefeedia and other specialized aggregatory communities don't compete directly or even indirectly. But... partnership is probably not necessary... because like i said... comments are very widely standardized around blogging packages these days. Of course there's still cooler things... there's tracking... which posts/ blogs are linking in the content to which posts. It's meme tracking... like techmeme.com and megit.com. Tracking the conversations in the vlogosphere. All that data is already in mefeedia's DB... all that need be done is to process it. The combination of these two types of tracking could light a fire under the vlogosphere and of course it's implied that it'd light a fire under the webservice that did such a thing just like it's done for companies like techmeme and dozens of others. What's more... it's organic unlike digg... and embraces an open ecosystem unlike youtube. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Jan 30, 2008 9:44 PM, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're working on putting technology in place - a new Video Search Engine - that will hopefully enable the tracking of video responses across vlogs. The problem is extremely complex as there are many variations on formatting, blog post URLs, embedding, etc. It will be interesting to do some small experiments such as apply the technology to a hot conversation that becomes threaded / moves in many different directions. Regards, Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet work David, Jay and everyone who worked on it. Now all we need is 3rd party services, i.e. aggregators and meme trackers to start tracking video comments as well as simply RSS feeds. This has long been one of the biggest failings of aggregators. it' not just about the RSS... it's about the conversations at the end of the permalinks... AND it's about other bloggers and their blog posts referencing each other. As people such as David, Jay and the Show in the box team build more value into the comments hopefully others will stand up and take notice. Conversation tracking, meme tracking, or social aggregation. There are many names and many approaches to exploring what is I personally think is a whole new frontier beyond the diggs, facebooks, twitters and myspaces into a much more organic and natural social space. These aggregators will make 1.0 versions of aggregators look one dimensional. And they are. Examples of 1.0 aggregators - bloglines - google newsreader - various software aggregators: itunes, fireant, miro, newsgator, netnewswire, vienna Examples of experiments in conversation tracking are - co.comments.com - cocomment.com - Megatite - Commentful, commentful.blogflux.com And a couple of Meme trackers - megite.com - techmeme.com There' probably a bunch I don't know about or am forgetting about. I have yet to see a RSS / blog aggregator that also tracks users comments well. But there are a few out there who's names I can't remember yet. I think the one web-service in this space that is best positioned to start tracking video comments and memes across the vlogosphere is mefeedia, but sadly though i've pushed and pushed it hasn't happened yet. Consider this another suggestion. (Disclaimer: I'm not longer a part of mefeedia.) -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Jan 30, 2008 1:46 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you using Wordpress, Davod Meade craeted a whole new plugin for video comments: http://www.davidmeade.com/wordpress-plugins#videoComments It seems works much better than what we were using Semanal: http://semanal.org/2008/01/27/week-5-2008-video-commenting-is-live/ The plugin adds some extra fields to the comment area. The video comment then shows up as a clickable thumbnail and lays inline if you also
Re: [videoblogging] travel vlog email list?
I don't know about a mailing list. But I'm always looking for cool new travel vlogs. I have a fairly decent list going here http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/travel/ Please let me know of any that are missing. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Jan 30, 2008 8:16 PM, noel hidalgo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's great stuff! i also tumbled on this site today http://www.rmc4peace.com On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a few travel vloggers and i have been kicking around the idea of a travel vlog email list. this list would be dedicated to people who travel around producing DIY content. i'm primarily talking about gap year, round the world, developing nation / rural vloggers. if there are any of these type of vloggers on this list, can you email me privately to continue the debate? maybe try this guy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7217788.stm Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Professional: http://ryanishungry.com Personal: http://momentshowing.net Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Plugin for Video Comments
Cool. Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed: http://sull.blip.tv/rss item guid isPermaLink=false9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011/guid linkhttp://blip.tv/file/586535/link titleWhat is it that's driving this?/title [...] wfw:commentRsshttp://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232amp;skin=rss/wfw:commentRss commentshttp://blip.tv/file/586535/comments /item wfw, as in wfw:comments, stands for well formatted web spec is as mentioned here: http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ comments being part of the original RSS 2.0 spec. It appears to be the url to the page where you can make a comment. So... Basically we have the start of a potential working ecosystem. The next question is who else supports this? Wordpress? Blogger? Moveable type? Feedburner? If not already a part of Wordpress could it be implimented with a plugin or added to an existing plugin from SIAB or that which david meade just created? Will have to do more research. -Mike On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and i just checked blip feeds and... good on them ;) it's in there. On Jan 31, 2008 12:10 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web wfw:commentRss namespace element. http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ http://www.sellsbrothers.com/spout/default.aspx?content=archive.htm#exposingRssComments On Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that complex though to track comments. You follow the permalink. You parse the page one time... you look for the comment RSS most platforms have them now. You display all or part of the comments in the aggregator... maybe as trackbacks, you just take them into account in the aggregator as ranking info, display them with the other comments and on site activity... maybe you simply say 8 more comments at joevlog.com. This last idea in particular is a personal favorite of mine because it simultaneously drives traffic back to the vlog while adding value to the aggregator. There in fact may be packages / API's out by now on for tracking blog comments... there are certainly meta standards, at least one documented micoformat for comments. There are of course potential partners. I've chatted with the guys at co.mments.com. They're huge potential for them to licensce their technology. It actually makes much more sense then running a single webservice for them... because obviously mefeedia and other specialized aggregatory communities don't compete directly or even indirectly. But... partnership is probably not necessary... because like i said... comments are very widely standardized around blogging packages these days. Of course there's still cooler things... there's tracking... which posts/ blogs are linking in the content to which posts. It's meme tracking... like techmeme.com and megit.com. Tracking the conversations in the vlogosphere. All that data is already in mefeedia's DB... all that need be done is to process it. The combination of these two types of tracking could light a fire under the vlogosphere and of course it's implied that it'd light a fire under the webservice that did such a thing just like it's done for companies like techmeme and dozens of others. What's more... it's organic unlike digg... and embraces an open ecosystem unlike youtube. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog On Jan 30, 2008 9:44 PM, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're working on putting technology in place - a new Video Search Engine - that will hopefully enable the tracking of video responses across vlogs. The problem is extremely complex as there are many variations on formatting, blog post URLs, embedding, etc. It will be interesting to do some small experiments such as apply the technology to a hot conversation that becomes threaded / moves in many different directions. Regards, Frank http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet work David, Jay and everyone who worked on it. Now all we need is 3rd party services, i.e. aggregators and meme trackers to start tracking video comments as well as simply RSS feeds. This has long been one of the biggest failings of aggregators. it' not just about the RSS... it's about the conversations at the end of the permalinks... AND it's about other bloggers and their blog posts referencing each other. As people such as David, Jay and the Show in the box team build more value into the comments hopefully others will stand up and take
Re: [videoblogging] Re: VlogEurope 2008 date and time suggestion
Do they allow you to take your own peanuts on american flights? I thought that was outlawed do to potential penut alergy terror? Or are you intending to FedEx yourself? 7 months to figure out how to get to vlog europe. time to start collecting stamps -Mike (bad evil and pointless humor mike) On 1/29/08, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you can stand one more crazy American in the mix I'd like to try to make VlogEurope. This means I have to get a passport and stock up on my Airplane peanuts. I don't think Southwest Airlines has flights to Europe and I can't fly without my peanuts. You don't want me flying without my peanuts either. ;-) I don't know how much it will cost but I'm willing to jump over to the other side of creek. I think one of the Josh's had a video on the city and it was beautiful. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Raymond M. Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Some of you might have heard of VlogEurope. If you have not, VlogEurope is an annual informal gathering of videobloggers from Europe and friends from outside Europe. It has so far taken place three times: September 2005: Amsterdam, November 2006: Milan, September 2007: Heidelberg. This year we were hoping to let VlogEurope take place in a more central- or Eastern European setting, and after Loiez (www.loiez.org) suggested Budapest, we thought: Yeah! Budapest fulfills our mentioned and often stated intention to move things east, it is cheap to get to, cheap to be in and we hear of many good times there. The date of such a conference is always tricky. After requesting feedback from our community, we concluded that October 18th and 19th, Saturday and Sunday, are the best dates – with hopes that as many people as possible can be in Budapest Friday night. October is in the climate-friendly autumn, squarely situated between the summer and christmas'y travel plans that you might have. If you have any feedback on this, you are welcome to leave them on this mailing list, join the Vlog Europe Yahoogroup ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vlogeurope), leave comments on our blog entry (http://www.vlogeurope.com/blog, or e-mail me or Jeffrey Taylor (thejeffreytaylor AT gmail.com) personally if you have questions or comments We'll be coming out with further details on what we ourselves envision the event to look like within the next couple of weeks. Be sure to get the word out to anyone and everyone who would be interested in coming to the event! Best regards, Raymond M. Kristiansen http://www.dltq.org http://www.vlogeurope.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] iTV now supports direct to device podcast aggregation, no mac needed
I'm wondering if anyone caught this today. Apple not only dropped the price on the iTV to a very reasonable $229 but also (among other things) appears to have added podcast directory browsing and subscribing right in the interface. I watched the tour but apple glossed over the details on podcasting. This is important because it turns it into a stand alone device it no longer technically needs a seperate mac for anything (you can purchase movies and music on it as well). What i'm wondering is how the interface works really. Can you search for a podcast, or is it featured podcasts only? Does it really download and precache video podcasts or only allow you to stream them? What kind of subscription management interface does it have? I highly doubt you can do anything like importing OPML... nor adding RSS feeds that are not already in the directory. BTW, The iTV also supports Flickr pulling in your friends (this implies some sort of flickr login / handshake) and of course youtube. Apple is seemingly bridging the open standards vs. proprietary market leaders in the area of video, but there is only support for .mac and flickr in the photo arena. No other photo feeds are supported. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog
Re: [videoblogging] who's got a good vlog archive?
brilliant :) Both the video and steve's mad skilz in finding it. -Mike On Jan 11, 2008 2:08 PM, Steve Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://web.archive.org/web/20060309095322/http://www.aaronvaldez.com/a-powers_on.mov I viewed source on the fireant page and found the url and plugged it into archive.org -- Steve Rhodes http://flickr.com/photos/ari/ photos http://ari.typepad.com http://tigerbeat.vox.com blogs http://del.icio.us/tigerbeat interesting articles sites http://twitter.com/tigerbeat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Why is YouTube so Damn Sexy?
Youtube is not sexy because of any technical detail. In fact, aesthetically, legally, ethically and in a majority of ways it's just plain ugly. The reason why youtube is sexy is because it delivers on a promise that anyone can have a voice, anyone can matter, and anyone can be a star. -Mike On Dec 21, 2007 10:27 AM, pepa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so sexy as bush. difficult to know why the masses choose for such things. i don´t like the terms: not vlogger friendly. i´d like to contribute to change this culture. my ethics are the creative commons one; no mixed ethics. that´s why i love blip (i´m so glad they don´t allow me to crosspost to youtube). and i don´t know if i´m so interested in so much backup or audience, frankly, plus i´d have no time to use in so many procedures. i´m happy enough with blip + archive.org love pepa garcía On Dec 21, 2007 12:03 PM, Clintus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too many haters in my opnion. But you can't deny the number of viewers there though. I stopped uploading a few months ago, but I seem to still be gaining subscribers, so I think I'm going to start uploading again and just keep more of an open mind about the shit heads. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, akrobotics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious if everyone has the same reasons, why do (or don't) you use YouTube? -- http://pepa.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Why is YouTube so Damn Sexy?
Sexy isn't 90's. Web 2.0 is sexy. Sexy is so 2007. Let's hope it dies with 2007. I'm sick of sexy. Sexy jumped the shark when web 2.0 became an aesthetic. Die Sexy. Die. There's a hiaku there. I just don't care to develop it. -Mike On Dec 21, 2007 5:55 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard sexy is over. Sexy jumped the shark. So 90s. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] video on the iphone
For those of you who don't read digg. The geniuses from Monster and Friends have created an iPhone application which can record video up to 45 frames per second. They are still working in the final version, but to give you a taste they have published Drunknbass, a beta which records 5 seconds of video at 10 fps with a resolution of 2 megapixels. I've tested and it works perfectly. It doesn't have any interface, so you just download it, put it in your iPhone's Applications folder, click on the button and it will start recording. When Drunknbass is finished with the five seconds recording it will replay the clip once. The final application will be able to record unlimited-sized clips (only constrained by your available space) up to 30 frames per second and it will have an interface to save your clips (they are looking for developers to help with the graphical side of the software). http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone-video-recording/iphone-video-recording-now-working-with-drunknbass-46.php Yes, that's right, the initial public demo records video at 2megapixel!? That's 1600x1200. I think it's safe to say video on the iphone is going to happen folks. Who cares about a zoom. All I need is 320x240 @ 30fps. Sounds like it's a given. VOIP has already happened, it just needs to become official in january or february. And finally, the 3g model has to come out, though... I don't really care that much anymore, I think i'll buy on pending the Apple keynote in january. Who needs 3G when you have wifi. I just need the developer plan to be official. Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: not your average gear question...
All I can say is watch out for the cheapo cameras. My bro bought my niece a little digital camera that shoots stills and video last Christmas and when the batteries die... which they always do with little kids... it erases the memory. How's that for less then useless. Little kids don't care about quality or features like zoom. But the thing should be durable and run on some standard battery type for long periods without failing. I recommend something that runs well on AA or something standard, rechargeable AA's even better... as the thing will always be dead when the child wants to use it. Zoom and other features waste batteries... though all kids love LCD playback. I have no specific advice other than this, other then to say aren't we all just big kids ourselves? Always go back to the basics. Enjoy being a kid again. Damn the obsessions with features, and resolution and zoom. When you remove everything it's just about the fascination of capturing people and moments and being able to play them back instantly. Record and playback, that's what's important. Kids don't do video editing either, and though they are all eventually devils with computers, even putting the videos on the computer is far secondary to being able to play them back on the camera. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 12/10/07, Micki Krimmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks! I think that's perfect. :) On Dec 10, 2007 7:32 AM, Josh Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My mom just bought my niece, who's 9, a Flip http://www.theflip.com/ video camera. In the few minutes I was able to play with it, it exceeded my expectations. HTH On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:38 PM, videoblogging@yahoogroups.com wrote: so good to see many of you at the winnies last weekend. props to irina and crew! anyhoo, it turns out that my bf's son (6 yrs old) is a filmmaker in the making. i don't think he knew it either before this weekend but boy did we have the imovie adventure! i really want to get him a video camera for xmas. any suggestions for a simple kid-friendly camera that is compatible w PC and mac for import? xoxo -- Micki Krimmel mickipedia.com -- Micki Krimmel mickipedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] not your average gear question...
I miss my Fisher Price PXL2000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PXL-2000 Actually, I never had one. They were slightly before my time. I miss the idea of them... the stories of them, and all the videos I've seen shot on them by various art school types. I've never actually used one in fact. I will however always have my jamcam http://www.flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/pool/ Let's not forget that even toy cameras can be much sought after goods for budding young film makers. A good toy can be the difference. Steven Spielberg started making films when he was 10. ... or somewhere thereabouts. :) Just don't underestimate the quaility of the hardware, not to be confused with the picture quality. While kids don't care about features they still understand quality. I'm reminded of this as my niece never ever bothers to shoot pictures with her POS camera, and who would when they'll probably all just get deleted anyway. I should have given her my jamcam. It's not the price even, I bet you could find a perfectly awesome camera for under $50... or you might even find him a hand me down of some sort... though 6 years is a little you yet for anything that might be handed down. Peace, -Mike On 12/10/07, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also find used point and shoot digital cameras that do video often priced at around $50 - $150... which are all good cameras for a kid. Craigslist, ebay etc. I just saw a few Casio Exilim with 2gb sd card, 7megapixel w/video etc... $100 obo. Might be better than getting an actual toy camera. On Dec 10, 2007 1:00 AM, Micki Krimmel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so good to see many of you at the winnies last weekend. props to irina and crew! anyhoo, it turns out that my bf's son (6 yrs old) is a filmmaker in the making. i don't think he knew it either before this weekend but boy did we have the imovie adventure! i really want to get him a video camera for xmas. any suggestions for a simple kid-friendly camera that is compatible w PC and mac for import? xoxo -- Micki Krimmel mickipedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] not your average gear question...
The flip does fit the bill. Exactly the features I was decribing. Little/ no zoom, simple features, LCD playback, uses AA batteries. It doesn't have much memory, but then 30 minutes for the intro model is probably fine for a kid. I'm suprised it's so expensive though. But then I haven't used one. Maybe it' worth it. -Mike On 12/10/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyhoo, it turns out that my bf's son (6 yrs old) is a filmmaker in the making. i don't think he knew it either before this weekend but boy did we have the imovie adventure! i really want to get him a video camera for xmas. any suggestions for a simple kid-friendly camera that is compatible w PC and mac for import? like Josh said, the Flip might be the best thing to begin: http://www.theflip.com/ i wouldnt be confused about giving the child something he'll break, but something with too many buttons and menues. this camera is pretty dead easy. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Well said rupert. On a side note, I just caught an episode of the latest Epic Fu, btw. It's amazing to see how far it progressed. When it started it was trying to hard to aim at a young audience, definitely not for me. Now that it's matured I think it reaches that same audience, but it's also much more paletable and likeable for an older audience as well. Quite simply it has matured, it's definitely one of the most well produced and best targeted general audience video podcasts / blogs out there. I've see litterally thousands upon thousands of GA (general audience) podcasts, from a whole slew from former techTV people, dozens from Revision3/ the digg crew. Hundreds from mid level newspaper and magazine publishers from NYtimes, regional ABC affiliates, Washington Post, lifestyle magazines... and pretty much across the board they ALL completely fail to connect with their market. Quite simply put they're either throwing content up that hopefully people will watch... or alternatively... talking at you... without any real understanding of what their audience is. The one thing that makes a great blog, vlog or audio podcast a great audio podcast is a well defined, well connected, recipricating relationship with an an audience and a community. Rocketboom, ask a ninja, Epic Fu, Wallstrip, most obviously Ze Frank you see this over... there are some very specific keys as to how they connect but I'm not going to spend my time laying them out for Jason. The bottom line is if you want a mass audience you have to earn it. The only advice I will give him is the same things that work in blog space... boingboing to engadet, are the very same things that work in vlog space. BTW, I'm a fan of Veronica's, but I did not care for and still don't care for any of those CNET videoblogs.. I'm sure they have their market, but the bottom line is they fit right into that category of what all the other mainstream newspaper and lifestyle magazines are doing. It's as if they want to be TV. You can't just flip on the camera and talk into it. They're as blank and impersonal as the thousand yard stare. They're not looking at me, they're not talking to me. P.S. I forgot to mention Mobuzz and Webalert as two other examples of better shows on the net, but then there's a bunch I've missed. -Mike On 11/11/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Jason, This might not be the right place to ask those questions. Most (not all) of the producers here are working organically and personally with much smaller audiences and are creating uncommercial content. Directly commercial How Do I Get Rich/How Do I Get Famous/How Do I Get A Million Views questions from new contributors can be met with a bit of a backlash. But here's my two cents: You want regular six figure viewing figures, I'd say the only guaranteed way to do it from a standing start is to get featured on Youtube every time. I would imagine, given your profile and Veronica's, and the quality of your show, you could probably get a chat with them. Get a meeting in Palo Alto. Ask them how featured status is decided. Play whatever game they outline. Get Veronica to interview Chad Steve ;) However, the value of those views - and how interested the viewers are in your show or your brand - is another matter. My feeling is that to get any value or meaningful response from your viewers, you need to build audience and loyalty organically. All the social network/social media groups you've set up are a good start. But they're not a quick fix. Or a road to instant viewer riches. Youtube featured status IS a quick fix. BUT - beware of the quick fix. You need friends and passionate advocates, not 100,000 people calling Veronica a stupid bitch for no good reason or telling her to take her clothes off in the Youtube comments section. You take the shortcut, that's what you're courting. It can get pretty brutal there for featured shows. I advise you to look at EpicFu (formerly Jetset) - Zadi and Steve have done it about as right as possible, I think. They've been developing their show and their fans for a long time, and are now getting 1m views per week. They cover a lot of ground, screen on multiple networks as well as their own site and work very hard at it. They have their own social network, which is integral to their show. Seems to work well for them. I also advise you not pay any attention to my advice. I'm a videoblogger. I'm happy with a two or three figure audience, not six. I want to keep personal contact with my viewers. I have nothing to sell and no intention of making it my business. None of my opinions are based on any experience of building a promotional show with a big audience. Good luck with it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://twitter.com/ruperthowe/ On 11 Nov 2007, at 19:55, Jason McCabe Calacanis wrote: We launched Mahalo Daily with Veronica Belmont last week as some of you might know. You can
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Jan, you're burtal. Mean. Brutal... but thanks for saying it. Someone had to. Just so you know... it's not always true btw... and it'll get better... after it gets worse. It'll probably have to become a complete cliche before we evolve beyond it. Then again, it's already a cheap cliche. Excuse me, I'm going to go hire a hit chick now and start a popular videoblog. Writers who!? -Mike On 11/11/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know Veronica from sunshine, but I'm guessing she's got a good rack. You don't need much more than that and some low-cut, tight blouses and a bevy of good writers and guests to make the numbers you describe. Lots of writers out of work this week. Jan [Who's kinda sorry for the flip if true response] On 11/11/07, Jason McCabe Calacanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might not be the right place to ask those questions. Most (not all) of the producers here are working organically and personally with much smaller audiences and are creating uncommercial content. Got it. Thought that discussions about distribution channels might be in the mandate since I've seen them here before, but if not please do delete! But here's my two cents: You want regular six figure viewing figures, I'd say the only guaranteed way to do it from a standing start is to get featured on Youtube every time. I would imagine, given your YouTube has come up a lot so I guess we should talk to them about distribution. I agree about the value of those viewers and the horrible behavior. In some ways I guess it's like getting on the front page of digg: you get some traffic but you also get abusive comments from the kiddie/anonymous coward contingent. My feeling is that to get any value or meaningful response from your viewers, you need to build audience and loyalty organically. All the social network/social media groups you've set up are a good start. Agreed. We're getting a great response from Ning (http://mahalodaily.ning.com), Facebook (600 or so memebers), and Twitter. But they're not a quick fix. Or a road to instant viewer riches. Agreed again. I think they are good at creating a space for your existing users to get together. I advise you to look at EpicFu (formerly Jetset) - Zadi and Steve have done it about as right as possible, I think. They've been developing their show and their fans for a long time, and are now getting 1m views per week. They cover a lot of ground, screen on multiple networks as well as their own site and work very hard at it. They have their own social network, which is integral to their show. Seems to work well for them. Will do... those guys certainly know what they're doing and have been at it for a long time. I also advise you not pay any attention to my advice. I'm a videoblogger. I'm happy with a two or three figure audience, not six. I want to keep personal contact with my viewers. I have nothing to sell and no intention of making it my business. None of my opinions are based on any experience of building a promotional show with a big audience. Good luck with it. Actually, I think your advice is sage... focus on the organic and stick to your knitting. The goals of our podcast and a personal podcat are certainly different, but the passion is the same. LinkedIn has like a dozen answers including a VERY funny one from Leo from TWiT. http://www.linkedin.com/answers?viewQuestion=questionID=128692askerID=24171 best j Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
I disagrey respectfully with Tim Street. Promos my butt. Let the content speak for itself. Don't push promos everywhere, syndicate the content everywhere. Making promos for 3 minute shows is backwards. Instead just put the whole thing on youtube... yeah you'll never make a dime through youtube, but screw it... use them like they use you. Brand yourstuff like crazy. Build your brand. This is exactly what shows like Ask A Nija and Wallstrip have done. Don't give youtube users cheap seconds... that would be treating youtube exactly the way all those lifestyle mags, newspapers, regional news affiliates and the rest treat the online world... he's some show clips from the NBC... wait... nope we don't want them on Youtube anymore... come to our site. It's B.S. Give them the whole show, make it ontime... make it a great experience... and just let them know who it's coming from, brand well. Then just hope when push comes to shove you've developed enough of a core following that they'll follow you to itunes, your domain, or subscribe to your RSS feed with a real open network aggregator like fireant, democracy, mefeedia, or dare I say iTunes.. though quite frankly itunes sucks for video. -Mike On 11/11/07, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't argue with Jan. You might also try starting a video podcast and create some promos for it and post them everywhere you can. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:34:48 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)? I don't know Veronica from sunshine, but I'm guessing she's got a good rack. You don't need much more than that and some low-cut, tight blouses and a bevy of good writers and guests to make the numbers you describe. Lots of writers out of work this week. Jan [Who's kinda sorry for the flip if true response] On 11/11/07, Jason McCabe Calacanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:jason%40calacanis.com com wrote: --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might not be the right place to ask those questions. Most (not all) of the producers here are working organically and personally with much smaller audiences and are creating uncommercial content. Got it. Thought that discussions about distribution channels might be in the mandate since I've seen them here before, but if not please do delete! But here's my two cents: You want regular six figure viewing figures, I'd say the only guaranteed way to do it from a standing start is to get featured on Youtube every time. I would imagine, given your YouTube has come up a lot so I guess we should talk to them about distribution. I agree about the value of those viewers and the horrible behavior. In some ways I guess it's like getting on the front page of digg: you get some traffic but you also get abusive comments from the kiddie/anonymous coward contingent. My feeling is that to get any value or meaningful response from your viewers, you need to build audience and loyalty organically. All the social network/social media groups you've set up are a good start. Agreed. We're getting a great response from Ning (http://mahalodaily. http://mahalodaily.ning.com ning.com), Facebook (600 or so memebers), and Twitter. But they're not a quick fix. Or a road to instant viewer riches. Agreed again. I think they are good at creating a space for your existing users to get together. I advise you to look at EpicFu (formerly Jetset) - Zadi and Steve have done it about as right as possible, I think. They've been developing their show and their fans for a long time, and are now getting 1m views per week. They cover a lot of ground, screen on multiple networks as well as their own site and work very hard at it. They have their own social network, which is integral to their show. Seems to work well for them. Will do... those guys certainly know what they're doing and have been at it for a long time. I also advise you not pay any attention to my advice. I'm a videoblogger. I'm happy with a two or three figure audience, not six. I want to keep personal contact with my viewers. I have nothing to sell and no intention of making it my business. None of my opinions are based on any experience of building a promotional show with a big audience. Good luck with it. Actually, I think your advice is sage... focus on the organic and stick to your knitting. The goals of our podcast and a personal podcat are certainly different, but the passion is the same. LinkedIn has like a dozen answers including a VERY funny one from Leo from TWiT. http://www.linkedin
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Ok, that was funny John and Richard. I'll give you that. There is some inherent irony in even participating in this thread... I don't know how i got so sucked in... it's not all bad though is it? We're not doing jason any real favors... not giving away any subversive keys to skip having to learn... the points all come down to the fact that the show has got to be honest, personal and they've got to work for it. What's so damn wrong with that kind of advice? I can say this... jason is not ABC... and I can pretty much guarentee Mahalo won't be some cheesey *ss version of CNET's other video podcasts. I'm pretty much sure that Jason's efforts will be positive for videoblogging the way they've been positive for blogging. In fact I still read many of the blogs on his old network. We can either push this change away, live in the past and have no say in the future... or we can embrace the change and have a hand in shapping a better future. -Mike On 11/12/07, John Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with you Richard. I suggest Jason have lunch with Andrew Baron and relive the worst TWIT ever. JCH --- Richard Bluestein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to puke. Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
And don't listen to Daniel McVicar. :) Sorry daniel. Sex sells is B.S. If you want a genuine audience... an audience of makers, participators and creators... like maholo fundamentally needs to survive... you're downplay the overt sexiness of Veronica, and up-play her obvious street cred. Veronica should go all out and be the geek and gaming girl she was born to be... not put on the tight fitting shirt and dumb herself down. This is much like the youtube issue earlier. Youtube courts a lot of non-genuine traffic... people there for the crowd and spectacle... people who leave assinine comments and wouldn't watch your show if it wasn't the most popular video of the day. This is VERY often seen amongst many top youtube people. 500,000 hits on one video 11,000 on the next. In the racing world you're only as good as your last race... in the youtube world your only really as big as your least viewed video. That is more reflective of your real audience. In order for maholo to survive it must tap into that culture of creators, makers, participators... communicators. -Mike On 11/12/07, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason Your view level is pretty good, your show looks very good. If you want more views, put it across the board on multiple servers and hosts. You'd be surprised at how many you can get at Daily Motion. You may also experiment with short sweet and sexy promos. Across the board. Sex is what attracts attention the most, the hook is something that you have an instinct for. Then, as a daily show, you are a service, liek Rocketboom, more than a brand like French Maid TV. Your audience will find a certain comfort in watching the videos daily. What I enjoyed with The Late Nite Mash experiment was a surprise to me...coming from audience counting media. It was the collaboration that I found online and in the community. All the best with your show. Daniel --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jason McCabe Calacanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We launched Mahalo Daily with Veronica Belmont last week as some of you might know. You can find the show at http://daily.mahalo.com and on iTunes. We're hosting it at Blip.Tv (for now) but considering some other options since folks have been pinging us. I'm looking for some advice on what we can do--other than make the best show we can--to grow the view to 100k+ a day quickly. We did over 120k views in the first week (about 12-37k views for each of the first four shows) which is much more than I thought we would. We've got our iTunes page running and we're syndicating the videos to YouTube and Facebook. We've also started a Facebook, Ning, Flickr, and Twitter groups/accounts to compliment the program. They are getting nice pickup. On a business level, I'm wondering if there is anyone out there who can bring in 100-250k views a day for show, perhaps in exchange for exclusive hosting rights/advertising rights or something (i.e. Yahoo, AOL, YouTube, etc). Anyone have an distribution tips? Has anyone done deals like this? Mahalo for any help... best J i blogged about this here: http://www.calacanis.com/2007/11/11/congrats-to-tyler-and-veronica-on-an- amazing-first-week-for-mahalo/ Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
The problem is not that Clacanis should be paying for such advice. The problem is this industry is so little estabished that there's no one he can call to pay for such advice. Where's the new media consultants section in the yellow pages.. or even online. Most people who could be consultants aren't because they're doing it... most people who say they're consultants are therefor full of sh*t or they'd be doing it. The very fact that jason is here... is I think proof enough of his genuiness. After all if I wanted to get something done and I had several million dollars the last thing I'd be doing is sitting around with all of you... I'd go find myself an expert and hire them. Time is money, sex sells, and you can't buy good advice. Now go hire Lan Bui. He's wise. Wit, especially sharp wit is really the cornerstone of all that is righteous in this world. Why... because this space is so full of B.S. and irony. Peace, P.S. this will be my final comment ... no more for me on this subject for a while... it's a fun thread though. -Mike On 11/12/07, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've successfully launched and sold several media properties, Mr. Calacanis. You've also got a company, Mahalo, that has a marketing budget. In my opinion, folks in your league should pay for advice instead of getting it for free. It's not like you're a Rocketboom or a Epic--FU/Jetset, starting from the ground up on a shoestring, in the community with the rest of us, and including us in the conversation by asking one or some of us join you at Mahalo on a contractural or full-time basis to help you gain subscribers. You are a not a regular participant on this list, and I've seen nothing of value come from you since I've been subscribed. While it doesn't break any rules for you to come ask this question, I find it rather insulting for you to do so without offering a gig or valuable advice to one or some of the people in this community. At best, you're getting free consulting that devalues the hard-earned expertise of people here. At worst, you're using this medium as a gimmick to start conversation about Mahalo Daily. Both are pretty gross. And here's my question to the group: When does community-based advice to peers end and when does free consulting to professionals begin? Or, in other words, when do we start devaluing our own experience and expertise by giving it away gratis to people who could afford to pay for it? This is my biggest question as social media rises and communities help more and more with building of companies. On 12/11/2007, bordercollieaustralianshepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Wow ... I just caught up with the whole thread ... damn you! Damn You Jason ... LOL Well I stand by my ideas, but must give you a big nod for self promoting in such a sly way ... Of all of the crap I threw your way ... and having learned this AINT your first BBQ ... I would work the Thank You angle. Thanks for letting me play Dave -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
No, I think we're pretty much on the same page bill. In fact I think you've clarified the point. I should say that diversity is the key. Even though youtube doesn't for example deliver loyal audiences it does provide for the visibility to attract loyal audiences. Neither one end of the spectrum or the other is good. Reaching a diverse audience is good, because you need to be visible enough for your core audience to find you. In the same way sex sells. If that's all you have in this space you've got sh*t. Why... because increasingly a host is going to have to have a more and more shrewd personality... be more of a geek. Have more knowlege of the subject matter. This is not a knock at all, but when Amanda started working at rocketboom she new nothing about online culture. She was however a quick learner. She didn't have much street cred though, nor did she need it. Veronica on the other hand has tremendously geeky interests and cred. She's not just a pretty face. This is the trend... more cred, more shrewdness, more substance, more passion for the subject matter. Ultimately that will rule out over the whole pretty face routine. I mean, look at Leo Laporte. ;) But that's another tangent... the tech curmudgeon, the non-threatening host that makes everything safe for all the non-geeks... but that's a whole nother' email. It goes with the maturity of the space. I didn't finish that last email the way i had intended either. Sex is definitely not everything in this space, but of course a little sexiness never hurt anyone's numbers. -Mike On 11/12/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't listen to Daniel McVicar. :) Sorry daniel. Sex sells is B.S. If you want a genuine audience... an audience of makers, participators and creators... like maholo fundamentally needs to survive... you're downplay the overt sexiness of Veronica, and up-play her obvious street cred. Veronica should go all out and be the geek and gaming girl she was born to be... not put on the tight fitting shirt and dumb herself down. I agree, and disagree. :) First of all, *obviously* sex sells. It always has, and it always will. In LIFE. Not just in video blogs. :) Maybe we should make a list of the 'top' video blogs with female leads and the 'top' video blogs with male leads. The part where I agree with you is that you need for the chick to have a personality, AND either be able to come up with cool dialogue herself or have the ability to deliver what the ghost-writers make up for her. Dan's not saying for anyone to act like a bimbo or dumb anything down. The fact remains that if you remove chicks as the hosts on your shows, your views are going to plummet. In an ideal world, you can put anyone that looks like anything in front of a camera and have people tune in on a regular basis. Until then, attractive women will always be more in demand and receive more attention than unattractive women or guys in general. Please feel free to prove me wrong. :) If you can, I'll admit that you've changed my mind, publicly, in this same forum where I'm making these assertions. :D -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com This is much like the youtube issue earlier. Youtube courts a lot of non-genuine traffic... people there for the crowd and spectacle... people who leave assinine comments and wouldn't watch your show if it wasn't the most popular video of the day. This is VERY often seen amongst many top youtube people. 500,000 hits on one video 11,000 on the next. In the racing world you're only as good as your last race... in the youtube world your only really as big as your least viewed video. That is more reflective of your real audience. In order for maholo to survive it must tap into that culture of creators, makers, participators... communicators. -Mike On 11/12/07, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason Your view level is pretty good, your show looks very good. If you want more views, put it across the board on multiple servers and hosts. You'd be surprised at how many you can get at Daily Motion. You may also experiment with short sweet and sexy promos. Across the board. Sex is what attracts attention the most, the hook is something that you have an instinct for. Then, as a daily show, you are a service, liek Rocketboom, more than a brand like French Maid TV. Your audience will find a certain comfort in watching the videos daily. What I enjoyed with The Late Nite Mash experiment was a surprise to me...coming from audience counting media. It was the collaboration that I found online and in the community. All the best with your show. Daniel --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jason McCabe Calacanis jason@ wrote: We launched Mahalo Daily with Veronica
Re: [videoblogging] New update of miro with improved permalinks
On 11/4/07, Patrick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: On 11/2/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, what OS are you running on? I've actually found Miro to be very responsive not only on my intel based macbook, but also on my G4 / 667mhz tibook. It's like 7 years old. It plays videos every bit as good as VLC or QT. Windows XP on AMD Duron 1 Ghz. CPU 512 MB RAM. On this machine, I can't play ANYTHING in QT formats above 320 x 240 (Doing so just simply results in freeze frame playback). I have no experience with QT on XP. I would think it should work, but maybe QT is slow on windows XP. I do have some issue btw that there's NO throttling on downloads besides bittorrent. It tends to suck up every available bit of bandwidth. That I find as a major problem and it can make websites, especially videoblogs pretty much un browseable on the side. It does not play nicely on the network. That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Although I'm not sure it's a BitTorrent thing (I doubt it is). No it's specifically NOT a bittorent thing. Miro has throttling on bittorrent. They have no throttling on regular downloads. That is the problem. It can use up your whole download pipe. My only advice to them would be simplify, simplify, simplify and polish polish polish on the UI. Yeah, even if they have to open up the designing of skins to the open source community. It's way more than skins. It's not an aesthetic issue so much as usability. Between the visual clutter and the downloads hogging the network I could see this being seen as heavy, but not to the point of bloatware. Obviously you and I see things a little differently in this area. I have not used Miro on windows. I suspect their could be some problems with their use of windows QT. I have heard complaints about apple's itunes and QT technology being bloated and unstable on windows, but I thought they had resolved many of these issues on recent releases. QT iTunes are both a *bit* slow in loading, but beyond that they work for me without any problems. My guess is the slowness is something inherent in QT. Can you play any higher res videos in QT or iTunes then in Miro? -Mike Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado PODCASTS - AS MY WORLD TURNS - Blogger Page - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/ BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/20453 PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S HEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Video Podcast) - Blogger Page - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ - BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/19924 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: It is official (kinda/sorta): vlog - video blog - vlogging
Nope, Gena you're pretty much right on the money. Subscribe to google news alerts for vlog, videoblog or video podcast and you'll see bullsh*t PR pretty much everyday where clueless marketing people try to attach the buzzwords to some video of something on the net. In reality there's only a handful of mainstream celebrities who actually videoblog or have videoblogged. http://mefeedia.com/channels/celebrities/ Rossane, Will Ferrel, Daryll Hannah and Tom Green (sort of). If anyone knows of any others do tell. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 11/4/07, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't a videoblog. Zigging a hand held camera lens back and forth in a corporate studio with professional lighting shot with union crew does not make this a vlog. I mean no disrespect to the efforts of Mr. Bono but you have a corporate entity thanking an employee of another corporate entity for access to their viewers who made the contributions by purchasing products based on his endorsement as a performer. Ok, fine. But it is not a video blog. Why am I ranting at you? I need to post it over there. Hmmn, it seems I have to be approved. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, bordercollieaustralianshepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Synergy: Bono Vlogs For NBC Nightly News From SNL Set ...Hello, my name is Bono, and I'm a rock star — so begins today's rather unusual video blog from NBC Nightly News http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/02/synergy-bono-vlogs-for-n_n_70981.html Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] New update of miro with improved permalinks
Just curious, what OS are you running on? I've actually found Miro to be very responsive not only on my intel based macbook, but also on my G4 / 667mhz tibook. It's like 7 years old. It plays videos every bit as good as VLC or QT. I do have some issue btw that there's NO throttling on downloads besides bittorrent. It tends to suck up every available bit of bandwidth. That I find as a major problem and it can make websites, especially videoblogs pretty much un browseable on the side. It does not play nicely on the network. I aslo have some issues with the complexity of the interface, there's some things that could be simplified tremendously. I see they've improved a few of these in fact. This mostly stems from the playlists being composed in HTML/CSS. They just don't behave as they should when selecting and dragging around multiple videos. My only advice to them would be simplify, simplify, simplify and polish polish polish on the UI. Other than that I find it a very solid app. Between the visual clutter and the downloads hogging the network I could see this being seen as heavy, but not to the point of bloatware. I've also run it on ubuntu where it also works great on my pentium based desktop machine. In fact, I hope they bring some of their expertise to a browser plugin for video soon. The fact that there's no QT plugin alternative for firefox on ubuntu I consider to be one of ubuntu's biggest weaknesses. I have not used Miro on windows. I suspect their could be some problems with their use of windows QT. I have heard complaints about apple's itunes and QT technology being bloated and unstable on windows, but I thought they had resolved many of these issues on recent releases. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog evilvlog.com On 11/2/07, Patrick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: On 10/31/07, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New update of Miro out. [snip] Sorry, but as long as Miro remains the same piece of BLOATWARE CRAPOLA as its predecessr (Democracy Player), it'll NEVER be on my system (I don't like software OF ANY KIND that has to load its own website BEFORE it does anything else, thus making it non-responsive in the eyes of Windows). Just my blunt opinion Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado PODCASTS - AS MY WORLD TURNS - Blogger Page - http://asmyworldturnstv.blogspot.com/ BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/20453 PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S HEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Video Podcast) - Blogger Page - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ - BlogTV Page - http://www.blogtv.com/Shows/19924 Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] New update of miro with improved permalinks
New update of Miro out. Full details below. Happy to see the Ubuntu Gutsy support and the support for alternate channel guides (such as mefeedia). :) The ability to download individual videos without subscribing to a show is nice too. But what really makes me happy is they've brought the permalink out of hiding and brought it to the forefront in the playback interface. My previous workaround had been to click the star button, which took me to a form on the videobomb site from which I could then copy/paste the permalink into the web browser location bar. I'm guessing most people never discovered this workaround and hence never got from watching the video back to the original site. Having a direct link back to the originating website is a huge coup and should improve creator to fan contact in miro tremendously. It was always my most loved feature in Fireant. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog [image: miro logo] Major Update Available A major update to Miro is available. The new version is Miro Public Preview 3 (0.9.9.9). We strongly recommend that all users upgrade. New Features and Bug Fixes in Public Preview 3 (0.9.9.9) - On Windows, Miro will now generate thumbnails for any file that you download or add to your library. If a channel already provides a thumbnail for a video, Miro will show that instead. - Compatibility with OSX Leopard and Ubuntu Gutsy. - Miro now shows the channel icon instead of the generic video icon each video in a channel. - Miro will now remeber in-channel search terms, when you leave the channel or return from a playing video. - Miro now has the ability to add alternate channel guides and initiate individual video downloads with a 1-click button. - There are changes to the first time user experience, new users are now able to subscribe to some batches of channels on specific themes, like Sports, News, Food, etc. - At the request of video bloggers, we've put a 'permalink' below the video playback area. This makes it easy to go to that video post and leave a comment. - Some install functionality that makes our Co-Branded Miro service possible. - Lots of bug fixes and small tweaks. For help with any problems, please visit GetMiro.com/helphttp://www.getmiro.com/help andGetMiro.com/forum http://www.getmiro.com/forum/categories.php. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] video blog, the term of choice
I hadn't thought to check into this in a long while. video blog vs. vlog vs. video podcast Which terms is winning out? http://www.google.com/trends?q=video+podcast%2C+vlog%2C+video+blog%2C+videoblogctab=0geo=alldate=allsort=0 Alternate tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/3b6j4u It would appear that video blog is THE clear term of choice, which makes me quite happy. The masses have pretty much spoken at this point. I think it's safe to say the dust is starting to settle and can't forsee anything changing the picture anytime soon. In fact the only thing more popular then video blog is simply podcast, with an order of magnitude. http://www.google.com/trends?q=video+blog%2C+podcast On a side note it's interesting to note that while popularity the term podcast has obviously peaked the term videoblog continues to rise very steadily. Most interesting. I would think that podcast is the prefered term for audio specific media, but I could well be wrong, which brings me to my next point. **Google can't tell us what people thing these terms mean.** Do people think of podcasts as generally audio only? What percentage of these articles that are refering to podcasts are actually referring to video specific podcasts? When people here video blog what do they think? When people here video blog do they think simple youtube? or do they think like a blog but instead of text primarily video? Is blog itself yet a household term, or do people still think it means to throw up? And finally and most importantly... what is the state of RSS in all this? My guess is the vast majority will never know the term, RSS. Nor do they necissarily need to. They may understand two things: 1) subscribing, 2) syndication (if they make media). RSS is undisputeably and undeniably integral to this space. As 1) a subscription mechanism, 2) a serch mechanism, and 3) a syndication mechanism even though the vast majority of the public may not know it or even need to know it. What interests me though, is how far have we come in loosening media from the confines of the web page so it may flow freely beyond the boundries of the traditional web to set top boxes, portable devices, cell phones and such. How far have we really gotten in that big picture? What percentage of web originating video is viewed on a web page? What percentage is viewed on the web page it originated on, as opposed to through a syndication, reblog, or search site? Just some late night ramblings. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog evilvlog.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: another argument for Net Neutrality laws
To me this represents why net neutrality laws are so important. http://mmeiser.com/blog/2007/10/comcasts-leaked-talking-points-memo.html Censorship is freaking subtle as all hell. THere's no transparency to it. Your skype stops working or starts acting like crap nothing short of a network expert is going to be able to tell you that it's your lying bastard ISP that's purposefully degrading your service. Unable to do a decent skypecast? Uploaded or downloaded large files like videos timing out? Videos on youtube playing like crap? Even the best among us would have a hard time proving it was their ISP. Hell, comcast blocked bittorent for 10's of thousands of users... everyone noticed the slowdown, but it took almost a month to prove it. Censorship is such a threat because you can't see it half the time. It's non-transparency is it's own disguise. You only hear about it when it doesn't work. It's the same way with net neutrality. What's more net neutrality WAS a part of law under the so called common carrier laws protecting telephone lines to the home until 2006 when the FCC repealed it data communications. Anyway... I predict the following a) it's going to get MUCh worse before it gets better b) the vast majority of blocking of services will go unreported but we'll have repeated huge cases that blow the book wide open, just like historical censorship. Only 1 in 1000 cases will come to light, but those will create a moral panic. c) the moral panic will cause extremely minimal legislation that will still allow for all sorts of grey area censorship of services. This will probably take 5 - 10 years before it even begins to play out. By the time we get there half the planet including most of Europe will probably have already passed legislation on internet censorship, and btw, that IS what this is about. Censorship. Why is it about censorship, becuase data is the new code of communications. We don't just communicate in words anymore, we communicate in video, audio, photo, and many more complex types of action and art like music. Net neutrality is a censorship issue. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 10/26/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, it's even worse already. :/ I just finished watching TeXtra #88 http://www.podshow.com/shows/?mode=detailepisode_id=84796, and in Natali's viewer mail (at the end of the show), a guy wrote in that he had ordered something on Pay Per View on Comcast, and set his DVR to record it since he wasn't going to be home. He says that when he got home, it wasn't on his DVR and that when he complained to Comcast, they informed him that they were no longer allowing Pay Per View events to be recorded on DVRs. http://textra.podshow.com/ -- Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will there be a time when corporate-owned internet providers start choosing what goes through their networks? Some believe it's happening now, and they seem to have legal right to do it. Comcast, one of the biggest US internet providers, is showing signs of limiting P2P networks. follow up: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071019-evidence-mounts-that-comcast-is-targeting-bittorrent-traffic.html Comcast has been caught blocking BitTorrent traffic in some areas, according to tests performed by the Associated Press. The news organization claims to have confirmed that Comcast is blocking—or at least seriously slowing down—BitTorrent transfers, regardless of whether the content is legal or not. If true, Comcast's actions have serious implications for sharing information online, and by proxy, Net Neutrality. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://tinyurl.com/2aodyc RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: another argument for Net Neutrality laws
You're stealing from the internet. :) Ted Stevens would say: The internet is like a big bag of stuff from Santa. And people are just taking stuff and taking stuff. Pretty soon there's not going to be anything left. lol I'm not cool, I'm now laughing at my own jokes. :P You have stolen the last file on the internet, there's nothing left to download. Please turn off your computer and get a real job building houses or something. Sharing is for commies is still the best. Seriously though. I've read of a couple people who are already selling network diagnostic tools to detect tampering. Maybe the future isn't all gloom and doom. After all the ones that really use the internet are also the ones most likely to know how to detect when they're being screwed with by their ISP. The so called buck the system, DIY, open source ethic may yet save us. We're not all passengers on the plane, enough of us still know how to build this plane and fly it. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 10/27/07, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're right, Mike. Can't somebody develop some kind of alert system that acts as a 'network expert'? Didn't you get the memo? The information superhighway is so 1996. It's e-commerce now, and if you ain't making money your not doing your part to grow the economy. If you're not growing the economy, you're stealing from it. Sharing's for Commies! It should be illegal. Not so cheery tonight, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://pawsitivevybe.com/vlog http://pawsitivevybe.com On Oct 26, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Mike Meiser wrote: To me this represents why net neutrality laws are so important. http://mmeiser.com/blog/2007/10/comcasts-leaked-talking-points- memo.html Censorship is freaking subtle as all hell. THere's no transparency to it. Your skype stops working or starts acting like crap nothing short of a network expert is going to be able to tell you that it's your lying bastard ISP that's purposefully degrading your service. Unable to do a decent skypecast? Uploaded or downloaded large files like videos timing out? Videos on youtube playing like crap? Even the best among us would have a hard time proving it was their ISP. Hell, comcast blocked bittorent for 10's of thousands of users... everyone noticed the slowdown, but it took almost a month to prove it. Censorship is such a threat because you can't see it half the time. It's non-transparency is it's own disguise. You only hear about it when it doesn't work. It's the same way with net neutrality. What's more net neutrality WAS a part of law under the so called common carrier laws protecting telephone lines to the home until 2006 when the FCC repealed it data communications. Anyway... I predict the following a) it's going to get MUCh worse before it gets better b) the vast majority of blocking of services will go unreported but we'll have repeated huge cases that blow the book wide open, just like historical censorship. Only 1 in 1000 cases will come to light, but those will create a moral panic. c) the moral panic will cause extremely minimal legislation that will still allow for all sorts of grey area censorship of services. This will probably take 5 - 10 years before it even begins to play out. By the time we get there half the planet including most of Europe will probably have already passed legislation on internet censorship, and btw, that IS what this is about. Censorship. Why is it about censorship, becuase data is the new code of communications. We don't just communicate in words anymore, we communicate in video, audio, photo, and many more complex types of action and art like music. Net neutrality is a censorship issue. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 10/26/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, it's even worse already. :/ I just finished watching TeXtra #88 http://www.podshow.com/shows/?mode=detailepisode_id=84796, and in Natali's viewer mail (at the end of the show), a guy wrote in that he had ordered something on Pay Per View on Comcast, and set his DVR to record it since he wasn't going to be home. He says that when he got home, it wasn't on his DVR and that when he complained to Comcast, they informed him that they were no longer allowing Pay Per View events to be recorded on DVRs. http://textra.podshow.com/ -- Bill Cammack http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will there be a time when corporate-owned internet providers start choosing what goes through their networks? Some believe it's happening now, and they seem to have legal right to do it. Comcast, one of the biggest US internet providers, is showing signs of limiting P2P networks. follow up: http
Re: [videoblogging] Re:Miro
One line occurs to me as I read through all these. VIDEO WANTS TO BE SOCIAL. I'd challenge the Miro people to make it more SOCIAL of an experience. I think the move AWAY from the permalink button back to the website, and toward obtuse interactive favoriting system is what causes Miro to be so disconnected. Not going to go into what I mean by social. But I will say... VIDEO IS THE NEW PHOTO. Think flickr. Video does want to be social. -mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 9/28/07, Patrick Race [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the idea behind Miro and I'm very supportive of the project but I'm like Bill. I test to see that my feeds work every week or two and don't use it as a core application. It just hasn't become one of those natural transitions in my computer use pattern and I think it's probably because a lot of what it does I'm already doing through my browser. Does anyone here use Miro as a core application and if so was it a conscious effort to adopt it or did it just slowly become a program you use? I think I might use Miro more if it had a commenting system built in or some more give and take. It maybe needs more give and take. It might be too much of a one way street right now. Pat http://akrobotics.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re:Miro
On 9/29/07, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: desktop aggregators are cold. Is that a reference to hot/cold media. Videoblogging is certainly a hot medium. An activator. It is an interesting way to look at it. Because videoblogging does seem to be at odds with desktop aggregators, set top boxes, and portable devices like ipods. -Mike On 9/28/07, Patrick Race [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the idea behind Miro and I'm very supportive of the project but I'm like Bill. I test to see that my feeds work every week or two and don't use it as a core application. It just hasn't become one of those natural transitions in my computer use pattern and I think it's probably because a lot of what it does I'm already doing through my browser. Does anyone here use Miro as a core application and if so was it a conscious effort to adopt it or did it just slowly become a program you use? I think I might use Miro more if it had a commenting system built in or some more give and take. It maybe needs more give and take. It might be too much of a one way street right now. Pat http://akrobotics.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
