[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please Taylor don't rehash news from apple, we already know. Thanks I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March 6-10 - rise significantly if not radically. By early March this is going to be on the cover of Advertising Age and will be the biggest story in the world of advertising. Whoever wins that bid is going to reap HUGE benefit from the ancillary exposure. It will be a historical moment in the history of media as well as advertising and marketing. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: Here is the link, the auction is live now: http://tinyurl.com/czs5s On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:52 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote: Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
This is random. But 6th of March is my birthday, yy! Perhaps I'll bid to have them mention that it is my birthday. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March 6-10 - rise significantly if not radically. By early March this is going to be on the cover of Advertising Age and will be the biggest story in the world of advertising. Whoever wins that bid is going to reap HUGE benefit from the ancillary exposure. It will be a historical moment in the history of media as well as advertising and marketing. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: Here is the link, the auction is live now: http://tinyurl.com/czs5s On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:52 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote: Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing that I wouldn't actually win by only bidding $1000), but now that it's up to $15,000.00, it's not a wise gamble for me anymore. Wouldn't it be funny if a group of videobloggers bought the advertizing time and had Rocketboom make ads for their own shows. Heck, they've already made an homage to Ask A Ninja... Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Edmund Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is random. But 6th of March is my birthday, yy! Perhaps I'll bid to have them mention that it is my birthday. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga kunga@ wrote: I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March 6-10 - rise significantly if not radically. By early March this is going to be on the cover of Advertising Age and will be the biggest story in the world of advertising. Whoever wins that bid is going to reap HUGE benefit from the ancillary exposure. It will be a historical moment in the history of media as well as advertising and marketing. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: Here is the link, the auction is live now: http://tinyurl.com/czs5s On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:52 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote: Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Oh, er, wait. That's pretty damned expensive. And after the conversion, it's even going to be insaner. (1 US dollars = nearly 4 Malaysian dollars, it's obviously impossible for a poor penniless uni student like me to get an ad. I feel... so helpless, so useless.) Maybe I'll spend the rest of the month making videos praising Rocketboom's greatness in hyperbolic, Chuck Norris fact generator-esque ways to win their sympathy thus they will advertise my humble blog for free. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing that I wouldn't actually win by only bidding $1000), but now that it's up to $15,000.00, it's not a wise gamble for me anymore. Wouldn't it be funny if a group of videobloggers bought the advertizing time and had Rocketboom make ads for their own shows. Heck, they've already made an homage to Ask A Ninja... Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Edmund Yeo eswiftfire@ wrote: This is random. But 6th of March is my birthday, yy! Perhaps I'll bid to have them mention that it is my birthday. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga kunga@ wrote: I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March 6-10 - rise significantly if not radically. By early March this is going to be on the cover of Advertising Age and will be the biggest story in the world of advertising. Whoever wins that bid is going to reap HUGE benefit from the ancillary exposure. It will be a historical moment in the history of media as well as advertising and marketing. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: Here is the link, the auction is live now: http://tinyurl.com/czs5s On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:52 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote: Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
OR you could just make a funky robotics video, Rocketboomers love that stuff! Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Edmund Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, er, wait. That's pretty damned expensive. And after the conversion, it's even going to be insaner. (1 US dollars = nearly 4 Malaysian dollars, it's obviously impossible for a poor penniless uni student like me to get an ad. I feel... so helpless, so useless.) Maybe I'll spend the rest of the month making videos praising Rocketboom's greatness in hyperbolic, Chuck Norris fact generator-esque ways to win their sympathy thus they will advertise my humble blog for free. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka mskitka@ wrote: I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing that I wouldn't actually win by only bidding $1000), but now that it's up to $15,000.00, it's not a wise gamble for me anymore. Wouldn't it be funny if a group of videobloggers bought the advertizing time and had Rocketboom make ads for their own shows. Heck, they've already made an homage to Ask A Ninja... Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Edmund Yeo eswiftfire@ wrote: This is random. But 6th of March is my birthday, yy! Perhaps I'll bid to have them mention that it is my birthday. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga kunga@ wrote: I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March 6-10 - rise significantly if not radically. By early March this is going to be on the cover of Advertising Age and will be the biggest story in the world of advertising. Whoever wins that bid is going to reap HUGE benefit from the ancillary exposure. It will be a historical moment in the history of media as well as advertising and marketing. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: Here is the link, the auction is live now: http://tinyurl.com/czs5s On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:52 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote: Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
speaking of robots this came thru recently on http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:media:video+watchthis Ms. Kitka wrote: OR you could just make a funky robotics video, Rocketboomers love that stuff! Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Edmund Yeo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, er, wait. That's pretty damned expensive. And after the conversion, it's even going to be insaner. (1 US dollars = nearly 4 Malaysian dollars, it's obviously impossible for a poor penniless uni student like me to get an ad. I feel... so helpless, so useless.) Maybe I'll spend the rest of the month making videos praising Rocketboom's greatness in hyperbolic, Chuck Norris fact generator-esque ways to win their sympathy thus they will advertise my humble blog for free. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Ms. Kitka" mskitka@ wrote: I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing that I wouldn't actually win by only bidding $1000), but now that it's up to $15,000.00, it's not a wise gamble for me anymore. Wouldn't it be funny if a group of videobloggers bought the advertizing time and had Rocketboom make ads for their own shows. Heck, they've already made an homage to Ask A Ninja... Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Edmund Yeo" eswiftfire@ wrote: This is random. But 6th of March is my birthday, yy! Perhaps I'll bid to have them mention that it is my birthday. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga kunga@ wrote: I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March 6-10 - rise significantly if not radically. By early March this is going to be on the cover of Advertising Age and will be the biggest story in the world of advertising. Whoever wins that bid is going to reap HUGE benefit from the ancillary exposure. It will be a historical moment in the history of media as well as advertising and marketing. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: Here is the link, the auction is live now: http://tinyurl.com/czs5s On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:52 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote: Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
oops, forgot the link to the video http://www.eugenemirman.com/videos/Robot.mov Markus Sandy wrote: speaking of robots this came thru recently on http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:media:video+watchthis Ms. Kitka wrote: OR you could just make a funky robotics video, Rocketboomers love that stuff! Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Edmund Yeo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, er, wait. That's pretty damned expensive. And after the conversion, it's even going to be insaner. (1 US dollars = nearly 4 Malaysian dollars, it's obviously impossible for a poor penniless uni student like me to get an ad. I feel... so helpless, so useless.) Maybe I'll spend the rest of the month making videos praising Rocketboom's greatness in hyperbolic, Chuck Norris fact generator-esque ways to win their sympathy thus they will advertise my humble blog for free. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Ms. Kitka" mskitka@ wrote: I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing that I wouldn't actually win by only bidding $1000), but now that it's up to $15,000.00, it's not a wise gamble for me anymore. Wouldn't it be funny if a group of videobloggers bought the advertizing time and had Rocketboom make ads for their own shows. Heck, they've already made an homage to Ask A Ninja... Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Edmund Yeo" eswiftfire@ wrote: This is random. But 6th of March is my birthday, yy! Perhaps I'll bid to have them mention that it is my birthday. Edmund Yeo http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga kunga@ wrote: I'll bet that the Rocketboom downloads that week - March 6-10 - rise significantly if not radically. By early March this is going to be on the cover of Advertising Age and will be the biggest story in the world of advertising. Whoever wins that bid is going to reap HUGE benefit from the ancillary exposure. It will be a historical moment in the history of media as well as advertising and marketing. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:44 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: Here is the link, the auction is live now: http://tinyurl.com/czs5s On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:52 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote: Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OR you could just make a funky robotics video, Rocketboomers love that stuff! Kitka I'm sure something can be arranged. Last year, I was actually planning to make an old-school black and white sci fi with giant robots using stop motion technology. I bought action figures and painted them black and stuff... then some prick broke my toys, and thus delaying my production. Gah! Edmund http://swiftywriting.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
According to the CBS interview last August, the space of a 15 second ad is worth about $750,000 a year now @ 150,000 circulation. So their reserve should be about $15,000 for a week of 15 second or $30,000 for a week of 30 second ads, perhaps $60,000 for a one minute ad x 5. I imagine they will produce length according to how high the winning bid is. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Pete Prodoehl wrote: Ms. Kitka wrote: I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing that I wouldn't actually win by only bidding $1000), but now that it's up to $15,000.00, it's not a wise gamble for me anymore. The top bid right now is US $14,999.99 but it also says Reserve not met Andrew, I'm guessing you do not want to reveal the reserve price? Everyone else, care to guess what it is? ;) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Actually, Kunga, if you take into account Andrew's post saying that they were looking at CPMs of $50-150/episode (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/32269), that would be approximately: $50 CPM x 200 (ie. 200 thousand viewers) = At least $10,000/episode $10,000/episode x 5 days = $50,000/week $50,000 x 52 weeks = $2,600,000/year Which means... $50-150 CPM = $2,600,000-7,800,000/year That's even more than what Jeff Jarvis from BuzzMachine.com quoted to the New York Times a couple of months ago. He originally mentioned that RB could sell ads for approximately $8,000/show and make a $2,000,000 annual salary. Of course, if RB wanted to do this full time they may need to hire a small ad production team to keep putting out innovative content. This won't be a problem if they are able to establish a steady paycheck. Heck, I know I'd quit my day job and live off peanuts to join a team like that... As always, wishing them luck in their future endeavors. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the CBS interview last August, the space of a 15 second ad is worth about $750,000 a year now @ 150,000 circulation. So their reserve should be about $15,000 for a week of 15 second or $30,000 for a week of 30 second ads, perhaps $60,000 for a one minute ad x 5. I imagine they will produce length according to how high the winning bid is. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Pete Prodoehl wrote: Ms. Kitka wrote: I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing that I wouldn't actually win by only bidding $1000), but now that it's up to $15,000.00, it's not a wise gamble for me anymore. The top bid right now is US $14,999.99 but it also says Reserve not met Andrew, I'm guessing you do not want to reveal the reserve price? Everyone else, care to guess what it is? ;) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Sorry, Kunga... my point being that their reserve could be MUCH higher than a measly $15,000. K. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Kunga, if you take into account Andrew's post saying that they were looking at CPMs of $50-150/episode (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/32269), that would be approximately: $50 CPM x 200 (ie. 200 thousand viewers) = At least $10,000/episode $10,000/episode x 5 days = $50,000/week $50,000 x 52 weeks = $2,600,000/year Which means... $50-150 CPM = $2,600,000-7,800,000/year That's even more than what Jeff Jarvis from BuzzMachine.com quoted to the New York Times a couple of months ago. He originally mentioned that RB could sell ads for approximately $8,000/show and make a $2,000,000 annual salary. Of course, if RB wanted to do this full time they may need to hire a small ad production team to keep putting out innovative content. This won't be a problem if they are able to establish a steady paycheck. Heck, I know I'd quit my day job and live off peanuts to join a team like that... As always, wishing them luck in their future endeavors. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga kunga@ wrote: According to the CBS interview last August, the space of a 15 second ad is worth about $750,000 a year now @ 150,000 circulation. So their reserve should be about $15,000 for a week of 15 second or $30,000 for a week of 30 second ads, perhaps $60,000 for a one minute ad x 5. I imagine they will produce length according to how high the winning bid is. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Pete Prodoehl wrote: Ms. Kitka wrote: I don't know, Edmund, what ads would they show for your money during the REST of your birthday week? It's funny because my birthday's on the 13th and I was planning on being the first to place a bid to advertise on Rocketboom (as a supportive gesture, of course, knowing that I wouldn't actually win by only bidding $1000), but now that it's up to $15,000.00, it's not a wise gamble for me anymore. The top bid right now is US $14,999.99 but it also says Reserve not met Andrew, I'm guessing you do not want to reveal the reserve price? Everyone else, care to guess what it is? ;) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
i get the feeling that history is unfolding in front of our eyes. awesome !! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
David! You have Google ads on your site, as does Minnesota Stories, where you've been kind enough to lend your video. So you must tolerate some degree of ads. Maybe Google ads are unobtrusive and/or you can easily ignore them. Wouldn't the same be true of a video ad, potentially? Esp. after the real content? It's fine to draw the line someplace, but I'm just pointing out you must not be 100% against advertising on vlogs. Minnesota Stories will surely have a video ad someday (please...) preferably something not evil. Not only to offset the growing costs of my growing audience, but because I'd sure like to do Minnesota Stories for a living if it's possible. It has so much potential, but I don't have the time or resources to give it all the care and feeding it needs to really blossom. Anyway, I hope you don't boycott the site when that happens. Heck, if you want to make a quirky 15 sec promo for your own vlog, I'll run it for a day as an experiment. That's definitely a not evil ad, of sorts. Let's imagine and try different ideas. There really aren't a whole lot of options for sustaining a vlog with a bigger audience, esp. if you want to devote all your time to it. Rocketboom is trying two of the main ones, advertising and subscription. The way they're going about advertising is very creative and innovative, I'd say. It's surprising it's taken them this long, given their massive audience and growing costs, to bring in some money. Peace, Chuck http://mnstories.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No amount of debate from anyone voicing the virtues of making a quick buck from their online videos is going to change my opinion. Insert the ads in the beginning, in the middle, in the end. I dont care. All I know is that if I come across a vlog, choose to watch a video, and there is a commercial in it, I wont watch that persons video again. David http://www.taoofdavid.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
I know that I said that I was going to take my leave of this conversation but since my bud Chuck has now poked his nose in this...I gotta reply. Chuck. I do have Google Ads on my site and you are correct, I am not completely against ads. You yourself have even complained about CNN and the method to which they show their ads. No matter the subject. All their in-video ads are like this. Right? What bothers me about what could happen with in-video advertising is this. A vlog sells advertising and dictates that they control how the ad is displayed. They say the ad will be created by them and only run at the end of the video. It's a small sum of money. $500. Fine. Ad runs at the end. Transition to the future. A larger company becomes involved with this vloggers site and wants to buy an ad. However, they say that the ads must preroll the content. Vlog says No way man! My site. My rules Company says we will give you $10,000 an ad Vlogger thinks...whoa Company ...and we want to buy a years worth of ads Vlogger realizes they're about to make a half decent living putting their home movie on the internet. Company adds We have an in-house production team and we have our own ads Ok. Vlogger now has the option to take the decent money and do what the company says or keep doing it their own way and earn a paltry sum. Hmm...I'll take what's behind door number... I have bills to pay. My wife is in the hospital right now. Thank god I have a job and pretty good insurance. But, should I be trying to make a living at vlogging, damn straight, I would probably take that money and run right now. A little personal history. I have a BFA. I used to do my art and sell my paintings for a living. I made a good living. One day an agent came calling and started representing me. Dealing my work to galleries across Canada and the States. My work became more popular and the demand for my paintings increased. More paintings...more paintings my agent would tell me. I was making an obscene amount of money and I was in my early 20's. Agent threw money at me and I did what he said. That lasted for about 10 years until it became too much and I stopped painting. Too much pressure to create. Meltdown. Today, if I get out a sketchbook and pencil, my hand shakes. I can't draw anymore. The thing that I once loved to do is gone because I couldnt say no to the money. I'm a Systems Administrator now. I hate it. Money. Art. Advertising. Morals. It's a fine line that people that decide to sell advertising in their videos will have to walk. I dont have an answer. I failed when it came to a decision of money over art and a balance between the two. Allow me to end with this. Chuck. Minnesota Stories. Sure...make a promo for Tao of David. Run it at the end. That's cool. All pro bono and let's see how it goes. If I get a substantial increase in traffic to my site, I'll purchase some in-video ad space from you and see how that is. Maybe the next ad, I'll make it. I can get lucky sometimes and do some half decent editing. Of course I'll pay more than that last ad. Play it at the beginning though. I want to ensure people see it. Or, how about I buy six months of ads. Different ones you know? Let's run some at the end...some the beginning. Maybe even on one of the vids, front and back. I'll pay a little more for that one. Oh...by the way. One of those videos you had on the site during my ad run, I didnt really like. Not sure I agree with what the guy says on his personal site. Little too right wing for my tastes. Y'know? Might want to think about not showing his videos in the future. And... David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David! You have Google ads on your site, as does Minnesota Stories, where you've been kind enough to lend your video. So you must tolerate some degree of ads. Maybe Google ads are unobtrusive and/or you can easily ignore them. Wouldn't the same be true of a video ad, potentially? Esp. after the real content? It's fine to draw the line someplace, but I'm just pointing out you must not be 100% against advertising on vlogs. Minnesota Stories will surely have a video ad someday (please...) preferably something not evil. Not only to offset the growing costs of my growing audience, but because I'd sure like to do Minnesota Stories for a living if it's possible. It has so much potential, but I don't have the time or resources to give it all the care and feeding it needs to really blossom. Anyway, I hope you don't boycott the site when that happens. Heck, if you want to make a quirky 15 sec promo for your own vlog, I'll run it for a day as an experiment. That's definitely a not evil ad, of sorts. Let's imagine and try different ideas. There really aren't a whole lot of options for sustaining a vlog with a bigger audience, esp. if you want to devote all your time to it. Rocketboom is trying two of the main ones, advertising and
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Umm I don't think anyone is trying to make a quick buck. And even if say Rocketboom made some money I doubt that it could be considered quick at this point. We're talking about sustainability here. Not get rich quick schemes. They've been at it for over a year with no revenue. So you don't think that anyone should say even be able to recoup production or bandwidth costs some how (and I'm not talking about just advertising--subscription or donation models could work too)? Why would you think that? How about if someone is able to make a living for themselves doing something they love to do and are good at? Isn't it better that people have these opportunities to make a living doing creative work they enjoy than to have to support themselves by doing work that they wouldn't necessarily choose if they didn't need to support themselves? I guess my question is why are you so opposed to anyone making any money off of his or her own work? Do you believe in paying for anything ever? Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $0.00 I already pay enough for cable TV and I am overrun with advertising there. No amount of debate from anyone voicing the virtues of making a quick buck from their online videos is going to change my opinion. Insert the ads in the beginning, in the middle, in the end. I dont care. All I know is that if I come across a vlog, choose to watch a video, and there is a commercial in it, I wont watch that persons video again. Any one that thinks this is a great and fantastic idea...all the more power to ya. To each their own I guess. I'll sign off this conversation now... Boy the way Glen Miller played, Songs that made the hit parade, Guys like us we had it made, Those were the days. And you know where you were then, Girls were girls and men were men, Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again. Didn't need no welfare states, Everybody pulled his weight, Gee our old Lasalle ran great, Those were the days! David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much would you pay for an ad free version of a video blog you really enjoyed? Bill --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the terms. You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out there that dislike advertising on the internet (http://adblock.mozdev.org/ et al) may just stop visiting vloggers sites with in-video ads and they will all go to those that arent showing ads. Yes. This may be a good thing. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Lighten up people. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
It takes me awhile to think things through sometimes (often.) I think as administrator/booker of the Tuesday Saturday Flash Meetings that there should be a Terms of Service stating among other things how anyone with admin rights will use and reference the material in the meetings, under which grounds people will be prohibited from meetings and such. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: too bad enric. if someone claims something about *all* of us, I will free to disagree if I wish. Enric wrote: I like you Markus and applaud the things you do to make videoblogging available to people. However I find your shaming of Taylor disturbing. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's still a gross generalization - opinion or not and i think you have no clue what most people understand (nor do I for that matter) thanks for speaking for him though :) Enric wrote: Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understand that. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Hey Dave, Wow. Thanks for sharing your personal history. You've been through the ringer. I agree... danger lurks ahead. Tradeoffs will be tempting. But I (naiviely?) believe we can navigate the minefield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that I said that I was going to take my leave of this conversation but since my bud Chuck has now poked his nose in this...I gotta reply. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Olsen I hope so too. I would love to see anyone that does what they love to do earn a living off it. I was asked once, if money was not an object, what would you want to do for a living? I said live off the sale of my paintings. I got what I asked for. At the time, I probably wasnt quite ready for the ramifications of what that all meant. I guess in the long run, my adverse reaction to the whole advertising plan and vloggers is that I sincerely hope not to see happen to anyone else, what had happened to me. It certainly isnt jealousy as some had alluded to. Thanks David http://www.taoofdavid.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dave, Wow. Thanks for sharing your personal history. You've been through the ringer. I agree... danger lurks ahead. Tradeoffs will be tempting. But I (naiviely?) believe we can navigate the minefield. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that I said that I was going to take my leave of this conversation but since my bud Chuck has now poked his nose in this...I gotta reply. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Good topic for a vid conf tip - changing to a new thread. Enric wrote: It takes me awhile to think things through sometimes (often.) I think as administrator/booker of the Tuesday Saturday Flash Meetings that there should be a Terms of Service stating among other things how anyone with admin rights will use and reference the material in the meetings, under which grounds people will be prohibited from meetings and such. -- Enric -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
I'd be happy to get $5 - a dollar a day for a week - to exploit someone for a five second increment in my vlog posts. Any buyers? ;) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Done. LOL, you just out ran rocketboom ;) On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Susan wrote: I'd be happy to get $5 - a dollar a day for a week - to exploit someone for a five second increment in my vlog posts. Any buyers? ;) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Oooohh... be careful guys. David might boycott you! Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Done. LOL, you just out ran rocketboom ;) On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Susan wrote: I'd be happy to get $5 - a dollar a day for a week - to exploit someone for a five second increment in my vlog posts. Any buyers? ;) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Obviously we've all got the wrong approach to making money... We're thinking 'videoblogging' when we should be thinking 'video podcast' See: http://geekbrief.podshow.com/ You just need to enter the podcasting world and wait for PodShow to make you some sort of offer. So to recap: 1. Create Video Podcast 2. Hookup with PodShow 3. 4. Profit! Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Are you 5 years old? Grow up. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oooohh... be careful guys. David might boycott you! Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Done. LOL, you just out ran rocketboom ;) On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Susan wrote: I'd be happy to get $5 - a dollar a day for a week - to exploit someone for a five second increment in my vlog posts. Any buyers? ;) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
So, David, it's not the money you have a problem with. It's the influence that money brings. I wonder if other motivators/value-markers that can also influence content are as soul-destroying. For instance: I love my husband. Our love is generally a positive thing. BUT: his influence has changed/removed some of my vlog content. Is that a bad thing or not? I'm also motivated by audience comments-- I love it when people say stuff about my vlog! Don't we all just love the attention sometimes? Is fame/attention a negative motivator? If the fans want one thing in particular from you, at what point is it as damaging as when the corporations want you to dance to their own tune for pay? I know many writers who have answered the cries of their fans to the point where their work is virtually unreadable, so full of fan-insertions, in-jokes, and repetitions of the same tired stories and characters. This happens in TV all the time, and movies to a lesser degree, because both of those are much greater financial risks. In novels, however, publishers are willing to risk a certain amount of money on the percentage of the fans who are guaranteed to buy the book. At what point does the author say no, that's just not what I should write anymore? Even without the monetary incentive-- the fans are crying for it! [Case in point: the Firefly, Season Two campaign that's going on right now, despite Joss Whedon's assurances that Serenity was the end.] Err... but I digress. I'm less conscious of money than I should be-- even though it's a direct, value-oriented thing, I have a hard time keeping it in the forefront of my brain. Which is not to say I don't love money and the things I can do with it (mostly purchasing small, expensive electronic gizmos). But rather, money is only motivating to a point: Money is a major motivator when you can't afford to buy a baked potato for lunch. Money is a strong motivator when you're barely able to afford health insurance. Money stops motivating most people when they can cover their bills and tuck a small amount (never enough) into a savings account, and provide for their children, if applicable. For childless folks, money is even less motivating-- once I have enough to carry me into my nineties, exactly what more do I need? I would say that someone giving me $10,000 to run ads on my videoblog would just convince me to turn that particular domain into their corporate mouthpiece. Which is fine-- I have never been so proud that I was unwilling to sell what few talents I have for cash. When I was fifteen and in the throes of teenaged writer angst, I was still looking forward to the day I envisioned, of myself selling ad copy as a corporate shill. Hey, it's only soul-destroying if you let it touch your soul. If I were given $10K for my vlog, I'd probably shortly start up my own personal free vlog space elsewhere, basically starting over, because I'd still need my own voice somewhere, independent and without strings attached. And, well, the corporation would probably need to have it in the contract that I'd update their vlog more often than my own, because if not, I know which one is more interesting to me to update anyway --Stephanie On 1/31/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What bothers me about what could happen with in-video advertising is this. A vlog sells advertising and dictates that they control how the ad is displayed. They say the ad will be created by them and only run at the end of the video. It's a small sum of money. $500. Fine. Ad runs at the end. -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Well what I love about GeekBrief.tv is a combination of Charisma, femininity in the form of Cali Lewis as well as excellent production values and BRANDING. Neal and Laura are really an excellent team. Wonder where they are. And the Podshow HQ is in San Francisco. Excellent. I'm seriously hooked on what Podshow is doing as well as the GeekBrief.tv BRAND. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 31, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Pete Prodoehl wrote: Obviously we've all got the wrong approach to making money... We're thinking 'videoblogging' when we should be thinking 'video podcast' See: http://geekbrief.podshow.com/ You just need to enter the podcasting world and wait for PodShow to make you some sort of offer. So to recap: 1. Create Video Podcast 2. Hookup with PodShow 3. 4. Profit! Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
You know. I never said to anyone that they shouldnt take money for advertising on their blog/vlog/whatever you want to call what you do on your website. I am just saying be conscious of what you are taking the money for. I could go on with another story about when I ran an internet radio station back in the day and was bought out with advertising and the likes. But I aint going to bore anyone else with my stories. Suffice it to say that if every vlogger out there snags some sort of deal and gets paid to vlog, then kudos for you. Good on ya. Ride it as far as you can and then go the extra 200 feet. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry can reply to this subject with their thoughts and ideas and opinions until the cows come home. I'm done with it. I have to go and spend some time in the Mayo with my wife and try to make some of her time enjoyable and bareable. Thanks, be well and take care. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, David, it's not the money you have a problem with. It's the influence that money brings. I wonder if other motivators/value-markers that can also influence content are as soul-destroying. For instance: I love my husband. Our love is generally a positive thing. BUT: his influence has changed/removed some of my vlog content. Is that a bad thing or not? I'm also motivated by audience comments-- I love it when people say stuff about my vlog! Don't we all just love the attention sometimes? Is fame/attention a negative motivator? If the fans want one thing in particular from you, at what point is it as damaging as when the corporations want you to dance to their own tune for pay? I know many writers who have answered the cries of their fans to the point where their work is virtually unreadable, so full of fan-insertions, in-jokes, and repetitions of the same tired stories and characters. This happens in TV all the time, and movies to a lesser degree, because both of those are much greater financial risks. In novels, however, publishers are willing to risk a certain amount of money on the percentage of the fans who are guaranteed to buy the book. At what point does the author say no, that's just not what I should write anymore? Even without the monetary incentive-- the fans are crying for it! [Case in point: the Firefly, Season Two campaign that's going on right now, despite Joss Whedon's assurances that Serenity was the end.] Err... but I digress. I'm less conscious of money than I should be-- even though it's a direct, value-oriented thing, I have a hard time keeping it in the forefront of my brain. Which is not to say I don't love money and the things I can do with it (mostly purchasing small, expensive electronic gizmos). But rather, money is only motivating to a point: Money is a major motivator when you can't afford to buy a baked potato for lunch. Money is a strong motivator when you're barely able to afford health insurance. Money stops motivating most people when they can cover their bills and tuck a small amount (never enough) into a savings account, and provide for their children, if applicable. For childless folks, money is even less motivating-- once I have enough to carry me into my nineties, exactly what more do I need? I would say that someone giving me $10,000 to run ads on my videoblog would just convince me to turn that particular domain into their corporate mouthpiece. Which is fine-- I have never been so proud that I was unwilling to sell what few talents I have for cash. When I was fifteen and in the throes of teenaged writer angst, I was still looking forward to the day I envisioned, of myself selling ad copy as a corporate shill. Hey, it's only soul-destroying if you let it touch your soul. If I were given $10K for my vlog, I'd probably shortly start up my own personal free vlog space elsewhere, basically starting over, because I'd still need my own voice somewhere, independent and without strings attached. And, well, the corporation would probably need to have it in the contract that I'd update their vlog more often than my own, because if not, I know which one is more interesting to me to update anyway --Stephanie On 1/31/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What bothers me about what could happen with in-video advertising is this. A vlog sells advertising and dictates that they control how the ad is displayed. They say the ad will be created by them and only run at the end of the video. It's a small sum of money. $500. Fine. Ad runs at the end. -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Don't you hate when you think of something awesome but don't grab hold of it first? I thought of doing this a couple of week's ago and I knew that it would be a successful publicity stunt, but I didn't do it because my parents still don't know about my show and I didn't want to do something so public without warning them first! The other reason I didn't do it was because Ebay may have taken down my bid for the same reason as their sister company PayPal closed my account; the dreaded adult content guidelines. There may be no actual adult content on my show, but these jerks over at PayPal/Ebay just love to crush anything sexual with their iron fists. Good luck to the Rocketboom team! Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote: Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
I've not really been keeping up, I try to keep out of the Rocketboom social minefield, but I read the blogarithms link you gave. So if Amanda and Andrew will be making the ads and vetoing, I don't know how much response they will get, but then, 130,000 downloads per day, as global viewing figures and TV ratings go, is very little, but not bad for an internet site. From a business point of view, it will be interesting to see what happens. Rachel (Alternative Kitten)On 29 Jan 2006, at 13:54, Nerissa ((TheVideoQueen)) wrote: The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote:Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.comFANTASTIC idea Andrew I'm wishing you and Amanda great success! I will also help to spread the news for your auction. NerissaNerissa Odenhttp://TheVideoQueen.comhttp://FreeMediaGuide.comhttp://FreeVideoCoding.comhttp://FreeVideoEditing.comhttp://Nebelungs.blogspot.comMy Groups:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/* Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for making the programs, it's not cheap. What we vloggers do is cheap, and it's a hobby, so we spend the money without any desire to recoup it. Some media sites probably have the same problem as TV - it's not a hobby, it's not done in spare time, so they need to recoup some money to pay for what they are doing. I know not everyone agrees with the capitalist system, but it is the one that has worked best for the last 20,000 odd years, and I have not seen anyone come up with a better one yet. Free lunches are a great thing, but I've not yet found one.Rachel (Alternative Kitten)On 29 Jan 2006, at 15:59, David Howell wrote: Not that I am an A-List vlogger by any means, I wouldnt do this no matter what the reason was. I do have Google Ads on my site and that's plenty. To insert ads into the videos? In my opinion, that's just obnoxious to the viewer. As we are inundated with advertising on TV all the time, I would rather that online videos be clear of this crap. I hate the fact that big media sites force you to watch commercials before their content. I refuse to watch their videos for that reason alone. If vloggers started doing this, I wouldn't watch their videos either. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga.Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations?As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others.Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote:I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.ushttp://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.comaim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Kunga, Enric, Markus,I realise that this is probably settled by now, but calm down. People have different opinions, they express them. No need for a punch up. Remember, cat fights are for girls, stop betraying your hormones. Rachel (Alternative Kitten)On 30 Jan 2006, at 04:20, Markus Sandy wrote: people often disagree in this group taylor, but you generally characterize any remark from me as an "attack". please chill out. this passive/aggressive bs is old hat by now and yes, precision in statements often helps Kunga wrote: Of course I meant: IF THEY WANT TO. Pardon my lack of precision. I doubt anyone here thinks I think everyone wants ads in their videos. Of course not everyone wants ads. I didn't think I needed to write that to express my enthusiasm for Andrew's innovative approach to the problem. Thank you for CRUSHING MY ENTHUSIASM as quickly as possible. I will retreat AGAIN as you wish. You have successfully destroyed my enthusiasm for participating here once again. You make me feel totally unwanted, Congratulations on your ability to make a WEAK MAN feel INFERIOR to your perfection. Your rapid response to negatively attack anything I write positively is outstanding. I am obviously not worthy of posting anything here. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:50 +0100, Rachel Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for making the programs, it's not cheap. There don't have to be ads on tv, no more than there have to be ads anywhere else. Is the BBC running ads now? I know the Danish public service provider is not and have never run ads on either of their two channels. HBO is the US is not running ads either. Someone has to pay for the programming, but it doesn't have to be financed via ads. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Over the top? I dont think so. There doesnt have to be ads in the actual videos. Find an alternative to having Eat Rice Crispies every morning played before I am allowed to see the video. Dont hold me hostage while I wait to see the content. If you want advertising, make it my choice whether or not I will click the ad or view the ad. As I stated, if vloggers start playing ads in their videos, I wont watch those vloggers videos. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rachel Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for making the programs, it's not cheap. What we vloggers do is cheap, and it's a hobby, so we spend the money without any desire to recoup it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Point Andreas. But BBC and HBO are paid for by subscription (or in the case of the BBC, by TV Licence). There is no subscription cost for most vlogs that I know of, so that does not pay for it either. And the only ones the tax payer would pay for are Government sponsored/produced items. Everything costs money at the bottom, and everything has to be paid for. Who pays for the Danish public service provider - is that TV Licence, or tax payers? Ads are what is used for channels that are free or cheap to most, but are paid for via commercial sponsorship, ie ads. Rachel (Alternative Kitten)On 30 Jan 2006, at 15:07, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:50 +0100, Rachel Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for making the programs, it's not cheap. There don't have to be ads on tv, no more than there have to be ads anywhere else. Is the BBC running ads now? I know the Danish public service provider is not and have never run ads on either of their two channels. HBO is the US is not running ads either. Someone has to pay for the programming, but it doesn't have to be financed via ads. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Not a problem David, but if the ads are your choice whether to watch them, then they won't pay as much, as they are not guaranteed as large an audience to target. As most vlogging is a hobby, I don't think it will apply for a long time, but anyone who wants to go commercial will have to find the money somewhere. And ads are better than sponsored by. E.g., I love the program Lost, but if I see the ad for 118118 one more time, I will kill something. It's a relief to watch Housewives, that is sponsored by shampoo. And if I don't want to see ads, yes, I avoid the places where they have them, but that reduces my choice of what is available to me to watch, on TV or on the internet. But as you say, it is your right to choose what to watch. Rachel (Alternative Kitten)On 30 Jan 2006, at 15:47, David Howell wrote: Over the top? I dont think so. There doesnt have to be ads in the actual videos. Find an alternative to having "Eat Rice Crispies every morning" played before I am "allowed" to see the video. Dont hold me hostage while I wait to see the content. If you want advertising, make it my choice whether or not I will click the ad or view the ad. As I stated, if "vloggers" start playing ads in their videos, "I" wont watch those vloggers videos. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rachel Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for making the programs, it's not cheap. What we vloggers do is cheap, and it's a hobby, so we spend the money without any desire to recoup it. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
There doesnt have to be ads in the actual videos. Find an alternative to having Eat Rice Crispies every morning played before I am allowed to see the video. Dont hold me hostage while I wait to see the content. David, the last I heard Rocketboom was going to place ads at the END of their content, not before. I have no doubt that Rocketboom work their asses off to put their show out as regularly as they do. So, why can't you understand how important it is for them to make an extra buck by providing advertising? Most videobloggers don't put out 5 shows per week, so how are those devoted to providing this amount of content supposed to keep doing it? Also, what is better than making a paycheck from your hobby? Most people hate their jobs... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Here is a simple solution for that. Took me all of 30 seconds to think about it. User clicks link to video. Window opens with video in it and an ad placed below the video. Solution solved. Advertisers needs are met with the displaying if the ad throughout the whole video and the user gets immediate uninterrupted video content. Yes? No? David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rachel Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a problem David, but if the ads are your choice whether to watch them, then they won't pay as much, as they are not guaranteed as large an audience to target. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
http://chasingmills.blogspot.com/ -- they do it. Sure. A paycheck from my hobby would be nice. If Rocketboom is going to place an ad at the end of their content, all the more power to them. There are other alternatives to in video ad placement. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most videobloggers don't put out 5 shows per week, so how are those devoted to providing this amount of content supposed to keep doing it? Also, what is better than making a paycheck from your hobby? Most people hate their jobs... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
David, I said most not all. I wasn't asking for you to give me an example of another 5 posts/week vlog. Obviously there are alternatives to in video ad placement, but do they work? I know I'm having problems with those alternatives. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://chasingmills.blogspot.com/ -- they do it. Sure. A paycheck from my hobby would be nice. If Rocketboom is going to place an ad at the end of their content, all the more power to them. There are other alternatives to in video ad placement. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most videobloggers don't put out 5 shows per week, so how are those devoted to providing this amount of content supposed to keep doing it? Also, what is better than making a paycheck from your hobby? Most people hate their jobs... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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That's funny, I watch LOST on TiVo and have NO IDEA what 118118 is. There are ads that I am missing by fast forwarding with TiVo. On the other hand, some shows have ads that I enjoy. Entertaining ads. I like the new BMW 'Video Podcast'. I'm subscribed to that. It's all one ad after another for BMW and I love it. On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Rachel Knight wrote: I love the program Lost, but if I see the ad for 118118 one more time, I will kill something. --Steve -- http://SteveGarfield.com http://Rocketboom.com You are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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but what if the ad is a video commercial? this is where much new experimentation will be done... not image/text ads.On 1/30/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here is a simple solution for that. Took me all of 30 seconds to think about it.User clicks link to video.Window opens with video in it and an ad placed below the video.Solution solved. Advertisers needs are met with the displaying if thead throughout the whole video and the user gets immediate uninterrupted video content.Yes? No?Davidhttp://www.taoofdavid.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Rachel Knight[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a problem David, but if the ads are your choice whether to watch them, then they won't pay as much, as they are not guaranteed as large an audience to target.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I like the new BMW 'Video Podcast'.a believe you mean the BMW VODCAST ;-) had to do it.http://vodcast.bmw.com/and yes, it is a great example.i still think bmwfilms.com is a great project as well.love companies that experiment like this. SullOn 1/30/06, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's funny, I watch LOST on TiVo and have NO IDEA what 118118 is.There are ads that I am missing by fast forwarding with TiVo.On the other hand, some shows have ads that I enjoy.Entertaining ads. I like the new BMW 'Video Podcast'.I'm subscribed to that.It's all one ad after another for BMW and Ilove it.On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Rachel Knight wrote:I love the program Lost, but if I see the ad for 118118 one more time, I will kill something.--Steve--http://SteveGarfield.comhttp://Rocketboom.comYou are worth like 50 million danishes. - Amy Carpenter Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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it was mentioned that "free lunches are a great thing, but i've not yet found one":but possibly udid. distorting history to argue a point-of-view is akin to a "free lunch"... at the very least, it's relying on others ignorance to press home an advantage. David may or may not have been "over the top" but not by the argument that Capitalism has been around for "20,000 odd years" try 200 years... a Capitalist paradigm isan informativeway toview the world. but it is not the only one, nor the one held by a majority of people. for the record: America (which i'm guessing is where the majority of people on this mailing list are from) is NOT a Capitalist society... it was almost one in the 19th century (if that helps)... today the U.S.A is a mixed-ecomomy withplacedfreedoms and controls. ~ in terms of public benefit: Police, Fire, Ambulance, Libraries, Museums, Galleries, Roads, Docks, Airports, Bridges are generally created with funds derived from taxation or endowments. neither of these require Capitalism to operate. ANY form of economic system will suffice. Vlogging could easily be seen as a public service... radio andtelevision are alreadyregarded as "essentials", not luxuries. if computers aren't yet, they will be soon. community channels, tho far from glitzy, serve a function that a national network can't: they serve the community. they still exist today because they are useful... useful is generally quite boring i admit, u won't find an equivalent to American Idol, but that isn't their purpose. ~ personallyi think having a vlog with commercials or product placement would be an interesting experience. it's gonna happen more and more over time anyway. the potential for loss-of-freedom is obvious, but that isalways a potentialwhen SOMEONE ELSES money is involved. might nothappen tho.the sponsor may not care about the content (which is quite likely as long as the number of viewers stays consistent). it's only when a subject that is threatening to the sponsor on a larger scalecomes up that problems arise. overall i think it'd begreat to be one-of-the-first vloggers doing something like that... a footnote in a history book sorta thing. cool. i don't really see why it matters if a person does or does not use commercials: you want the money, go get it. you want the freedom, go get it. you want a mix, go get it. make your choice. why does only one of them have to be "right"? why not "right for me" instead? that's the whole point anyway isn't it? l8r rob ps ~ sorry if the earlier part of what i wrotesoundsrude, but i was mildly offended by the crassness of those statements:apologies in advance. i'll try to avoid reading email in the morning from now on. - Original Message - From: Rachel Knight To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay? Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for making the programs, it's not cheap. What we vloggers do is cheap, and it's a hobby, so we spend the money without any desire to recoup it. Some media sites probably have the same problem as TV - it's not a hobby, it's not done in spare time, so they need to recoup some money to pay for what they are doing. I know not everyone agrees with the capitalist system, but it is the one that has worked best for the last 20,000 odd years, and I have not seen anyone come up with a better one yet. Free lunches are a great thing, but I've not yet found one. Rachel (Alternative Kitten) On 29 Jan 2006, at 15:59, David Howell wrote: Not that I am an A-List vlogger by any means, I wouldnt do this nomatter what the reason was.I do have Google Ads on my site and that's plenty. To insert ads intothe videos? In my opinion, that's just obnoxious to the viewer. As weare inundated with advertising on TV all the time, I would rather thatonline videos be clear of this crap.I hate the fact that big media sites force you to watch commercialsbefore their content. I refuse to watch their videos for that reasonalone. If vloggers started doing this, I wouldn't watch their videoseither.Davidhttp://www.taoofdavid.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and notfor others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner
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Rachel Knight wrote: Kunga, Enric, Markus, I realise that this is probably settled by now, but calm down. People have different opinions, they express them. No need for a punch up. Remember, cat fights are for girls, stop betraying your hormones. Yes, gentlemen. That's right. Do not stoop to the level of mere females! You're better than that. I think that Taylor meant this is a great method for all advertising-interested vloggers. I agree. However, only a project the size of Rocketboom can boldly maintain editorial control. For the rest of us, the solution might need to be more interactive. -- Unlike most marine mammals, otters do not have a layer of insulating blubber, and even the marine sea otter must come ashore regularly to wash its coat in fresh water. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Ah. Well...for me personally, I wouldnt run a video commercial. My solution was an attempt to avoid the commercials in video. While I am not opposed to ads on a website, my wish is to not interfere with the viewers experience of watching my/the content. I may or may not include an ad below my videos in a pop-up window. Still thinking about it. Would the small amount of revenue gained from that be worth it? Maybe. However if viewers dont watch my videos because of it, then I would certainly remove the ads. For Rocketboom, with the multitudes of viewers they have, an experiment like this may not be so harmful to lose a few viewers here and there. For someone like me with a small amount of visitors, losing a any amount of people watching would make a difference. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but what if the ad is a video commercial? this is where much new experimentation will be done... not image/text ads. On 1/30/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a simple solution for that. Took me all of 30 seconds to think about it. User clicks link to video. Window opens with video in it and an ad placed below the video. Solution solved. Advertisers needs are met with the displaying if the ad throughout the whole video and the user gets immediate uninterrupted video content. Yes? No? David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rachel Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a problem David, but if the ads are your choice whether to watch them, then they won't pay as much, as they are not guaranteed as large an audience to target. Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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-- -- I think the way they are doing it is analogous to those ads on the radio when the dj just has to basically talk about the product for a minute or whatever If you are a fan of the dj's style you'll enjoy him/her regardless of the subject matter I look forward to seeing the winning products get (swings head to camera2) 'rocketboomed'.. joly --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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bottom line in my opinion is thisif your audience appreciates your work and is at least half-witty as to why you are trying such ad placements, then they should be happy to watch 15-30 seconds of this ad in order to support you. if they are completely turned off by this approach and stop watching/supporting your work, then why would you care about them anyway?if they were watching and enjoying your work for however long they were 'subscribed' then they are the ones who were getting a deal consuming what you take the time to create and publish. if you are able to filter and use more quality ads then i dont think it should be looked at as bad or evil... what it is, folks, is reality.you're not going to keep Internet Video pure... whether a vlog or not... with your negative sentiment about ads and content creators who decide to use them for sustainability. look at it this way... if some subscribers drop off if you do use ads then you are filtering your viewer base with those who truly support you. screw the others. they can go blog about how ads suck and hwo vloggers are selling their souls, corrupting the culture and so on... you know... noisemaking. do what you want if it works for you. just make sure you do it well ;-)SullOn 1/30/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ah. Well...for me personally, I wouldnt run a video commercial. My solution was an attempt to avoid the commercials in video.While I am not opposed to ads on a website, my wish is to notinterfere with the viewers experience of watching my/the content.I may or may not include an ad below my videos in a pop-up window. Still thinking about it. Would the small amount of revenue gained fromthat be worth it? Maybe. However if viewers dont watch my videosbecause of it, then I would certainly remove the ads.For Rocketboom, with the multitudes of viewers they have, an experiment like this may not be so harmful to lose a few viewers hereand there. For someone like me with a small amount of visitors, losinga any amount of people watching would make a difference.David http://www.taoofdavid.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but what if the ad is a video commercial? this is where much new experimentation will be done... notimage/text ads. On 1/30/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a simple solution for that. Took me all of 30 seconds to think about it. User clicks link to video. Window opens with video in it and an ad placed below the video. Solution solved. Advertisers needs are met with the displaying if the ad throughout the whole video and the user gets immediate uninterrupted video content. Yes? No? David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Rachel Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a problem David, but if the ads are your choice whether to watch them, then they won't pay as much, as they are not guaranteed as large an audience to target.Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth andrevelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / VlogosphereAggregatorYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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WWWhatsup wrote: I think the way they are doing it is analogous to those ads on the radio when the dj just has to basically talk about the product for a minute or whatever If you are a fan of the dj's style you'll enjoy him/her regardless of the subject matter I look forward to seeing the winning products get (swings head to camera2) 'rocketboomed'.. I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Charles HOPE wrote: rob wrote: it was mentioned that free lunches are a great thing, but i've not yet found one: but possibly u did. distorting history to argue a point-of-view is akin to a free lunch... at the very least, it's relying on others ignorance to press home an advantage. David may or may not have been over the top but not by the argument that Capitalism has been around for 20,000 odd years try 200 years... a Capitalist paradigm is an informative way to view the world. but it is not the only one, nor the one held by a majority of people. for the record: America (which i'm guessing is where the majority of people on this mailing list are from) is NOT a Capitalist society... it was /almost/ one in the 19th century (if that helps)... today the U.S.A is a mixed-ecomomy with placed freedoms and controls. In Rachel's defense, Capitalism is the system based on voluntary business transactions and private ownership. Those two elements have existed forever, but only recently have they grown to dominant proportions yet, unfortunately, never in the complete absence of other paradigms which are all based on different types of thievery and brutality. Can someone just make a videoblog post about Capitalism so we all know what you are talking about? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Lighten up people. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I've read the terms. You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out there that dislike advertising on the internet (http://adblock.mozdev.org/ et al) may just stop visiting vloggers sites with in-video ads and they will all go to those that arent showing ads. Yes. This may be a good thing. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Lighten up people. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I think it totally kicks ass. bravo. there's so much space in this game - if they were off setting their costs by subscription someone else would be whining. BUT I think we should all be thinking of interesting ways to get micro-payments to work. because I wouldn't put adds on my personal videblog, but I wanted be above accepting someones content points or something for a job well done. I look forward to seeing how this develops. b On 1/30/06, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog,they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of theirshow and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad.Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing?Theyare being creative and taking their audience into consideration all atthe same time.Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a longtime (my favorite was the Flickr ad).Lighten up people.Kitka--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives getto do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- ---Brett Gaylorhttp://www.etherworks.ca http://www.homelessnation.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Ms. Kitka wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Yup, that's what I was talking about when I said they were taking control. Just for the record, I don't think it's a bad thing, I think it's a great thing. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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How much would you pay for an ad free version of a video blog you really enjoyed? Bill --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the terms. You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out there that dislike advertising on the internet (http://adblock.mozdev.org/ et al) may just stop visiting vloggers sites with in-video ads and they will all go to those that arent showing ads. Yes. This may be a good thing. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Lighten up people. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Well...for me personally, I wouldnt run a video commercial. My solution was an attempt to avoid the commercials in video. While I am not opposed to ads on a website, my wish is to not interfere with the viewers experience of watching my/the content. Well, as they are creating the ads themselves they are very likely very rocketboomish in style and thus it wouldn't interfere that much. Besides they will be at the end so you can still decide whether to watch it or not. (or pay that monthly fee...) I may or may not include an ad below my videos in a pop-up window. Still thinking about it. Would the small amount of revenue gained from that be worth it? Maybe. However if viewers dont watch my videos because of it, then I would certainly remove the ads. Well, pop-up window ads probably wouldn't bring that much money. Actually I like their idea very much because a) they are having control of the ads b) they will fit more into Rocketboom because they will probably be the same style c) they try something new (always good) d) by trying something new they make some noise about it and it will probably attract more interested advertisers and maybe even viewers (I am at least very interested in how it will look like. OTOH I am not a new viewer.. ;-) For Rocketboom, with the multitudes of viewers they have, an experiment like this may not be so harmful to lose a few viewers here and there. For someone like me with a small amount of visitors, losing a any amount of people watching would make a difference. Well, as I am doing it more as a hobby here and there and not as professional as Rocketboom (which also means: not daily) I don't need ads as I can finance this with my other work (or just stop it). So I am looking forward to it :-) (and of course they really should make money out of this as they are innovative and sort of making marketing for the whole vlogging scene. Besides they also need to live from something) Christian -- http://mrtopf.tv Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Andreas, What you are referring to there is Subscription based TV. Nothing is free. The BBC charges us £120 a year just for having the technology to be able to recieve TV pictures, they call it a TV licence, it's like a dog licence except you don't have to take it for walks. As far as I know HBO is a Pay To View. As for the Danish, dunno, you know that bit. But then the question is. would you pay to watch Rocketboom? Ads are the only way to go for these guys unfortunately if they want to do this thing full time. That's my two pence worth anyway.. Paul Knight On 30 Jan 2006, at 15:07, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:50 +0100, Rachel Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bit over the top, David. There have to be ads on TV to pay for > making the programs, it's not cheap. There don't have to be ads on tv, no more than there have to be ads anywhere else. Is the BBC running ads now? I know the Danish public service provider is not and have never run ads on either of their two channels. HBO is the US is not running ads either. Someone has to pay for the programming, but it doesn't have to be financed via ads. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com http://www.dailymotion.com/pjkproductions http://pjkproductions.blip.tv http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=pjkproductions http://feeds.feedburner.com/pjkproductions It's worth a laugh and (mostly) work friendly.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
you can take my old tv cable fees and divide it amongst yourselves. actually, take half - then it will seem like a good deal and not just a replacement the problem is: how do we divide it up and pay it out from so many to so many? this problem already has solutions in the music industry; some are mo betta than others, of course Bill Streeter wrote: How much would you pay for an ad free version of a video blog you really enjoyed? Bill --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Howell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the terms. You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out there that dislike advertising on the internet (http://adblock.mozdev.org/ et al) may just stop visiting vloggers sites with in-video ads and they will all go to those that arent showing ads. Yes. This may be a good thing. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Ms. Kitka" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Lighten up people. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "David Howell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
$3 a month?On 1/30/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much would you pay for an ad free version of a video blog you really enjoyed? Bill --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the terms. You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out there that dislike advertising on the internet (http://adblock.mozdev.org/ et al) may just stop visiting vloggers sites with in-video ads and they will all go to those that arent showing ads. Yes. This may be a good thing. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Lighten up people. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
$0.00 I already pay enough for cable TV and I am overrun with advertising there. No amount of debate from anyone voicing the virtues of making a quick buck from their online videos is going to change my opinion. Insert the ads in the beginning, in the middle, in the end. I dont care. All I know is that if I come across a vlog, choose to watch a video, and there is a commercial in it, I wont watch that persons video again. Any one that thinks this is a great and fantastic idea...all the more power to ya. To each their own I guess. I'll sign off this conversation now... Boy the way Glen Miller played, Songs that made the hit parade, Guys like us we had it made, Those were the days. And you know where you were then, Girls were girls and men were men, Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again. Didn't need no welfare states, Everybody pulled his weight, Gee our old Lasalle ran great, Those were the days! David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much would you pay for an ad free version of a video blog you really enjoyed? Bill --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the terms. You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out there that dislike advertising on the internet (http://adblock.mozdev.org/ et al) may just stop visiting vloggers sites with in-video ads and they will all go to those that arent showing ads. Yes. This may be a good thing. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Lighten up people. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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No amount of debate from anyone voicing the virtues of making a quick buck from their online videos is going to change my opinion. The way I see it, they had the stones to gamble for a year making content for free - dropped everything and went after rocketboom. It's not a quick buck. Like you said, takes all kinds. ---Brett Gaylorhttp://www.etherworks.cahttp://www.homelessnation.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I'm sure if you were pulling that many downloads you'd reconsider... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $0.00 I already pay enough for cable TV and I am overrun with advertising there. No amount of debate from anyone voicing the virtues of making a quick buck from their online videos is going to change my opinion. Insert the ads in the beginning, in the middle, in the end. I dont care. All I know is that if I come across a vlog, choose to watch a video, and there is a commercial in it, I wont watch that persons video again. Any one that thinks this is a great and fantastic idea...all the more power to ya. To each their own I guess. I'll sign off this conversation now... Boy the way Glen Miller played, Songs that made the hit parade, Guys like us we had it made, Those were the days. And you know where you were then, Girls were girls and men were men, Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again. Didn't need no welfare states, Everybody pulled his weight, Gee our old Lasalle ran great, Those were the days! David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much would you pay for an ad free version of a video blog you really enjoyed? Bill --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read the terms. You know...maybe this isnt such a bad thing? All those people out there that dislike advertising on the internet (http://adblock.mozdev.org/ et al) may just stop visiting vloggers sites with in-video ads and they will all go to those that arent showing ads. Yes. This may be a good thing. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I urge you to read the terms of the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11item=5661816188 Rocketboom is not only selling advertising time on their videoblog, they are making the ads themselves, placing them at the end of their show and making them in such a way that their viewers will actually enjoy the ad. Why do so many people here think this is such a horrible thing? They are being creative and taking their audience into consideration all at the same time. Besides, it's not the first time they've aired advertisements on their show... they've been doing that for a long time (my favorite was the Flickr ad). Lighten up people. Kitka --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? I believe the one with the most $$$ generally wins an auction. I havent looked at the terms (if there are terms) of the Rocketboom EBay auction so I dont know how they have veto power. David http://www.taoofdavid.com I think the big difference in Rocketboom's case is that they are taking control. They aren't just 'selling space' to anyone with the money, they are selling space with veto power over it. How many creatives get to do that? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
The story you link to is the gist, but not quite right on some of the detail but here is a better example: http://pdberger.com/blogarithms-rocketboom/ http://www.whatsnextblog.com/archives/2006/01/ rocketboom_to_auction_ad_slot.asp This all happened a bit early, I'll send a link tomrrow night to the actual e-bay ad itself. Gulp. On Jan 28, 2006, at 6:19 PM, James A. Donnelly wrote:Interesting concept http://www.adrants.com/2006/01/rocketboom-to-sell-ad-time-via-ebay- retai.php jad madpod.com petsonboard.com dummycast.comFANTASTIC idea Andrew I'm wishing you and Amanda great success! I will also help to spread thenews for your auction.NerissaNerissa Odenhttp://TheVideoQueen.comhttp://FreeMediaGuide.comhttp://FreeVideoCoding.comhttp://FreeVideoEditing.comhttp://Nebelungs.blogspot.comMy Groups:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/* Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Andrew and Amanda have thought alot about the auction's short and long term issues, and I believe they are seeking to strike an ideal balance between revenue with transparency and sponsorships. On 1/29/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I am an A-List vlogger by any means, I wouldnt do this no matter what the reason was. I do have Google Ads on my site and that's plenty. To insert ads into the videos? In my opinion, that's just obnoxious to the viewer. As we are inundated with advertising on TV all the time, I would rather that online videos be clear of this crap. I hate the fact that big media sites force you to watch commercials before their content. I refuse to watch their videos for that reason alone. If vloggers started doing this, I wouldn't watch their videos either. David http://www.taoofdavid.com-- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Personally, it's not my drive since my videoblogs are for me to muck with video and have a record of my life. ...but I am glad they did it. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out. On 1/29/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ~Devlon Blog: http://devlond.blogspot.com Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://mefeedia.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I wasn't there. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 29, 2006, at 7:38 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
yep.popular tactic on some radio talk shows where the ads are almost entirely transparent from the regular talk show bit.it works well.for video it will be interesting. rboom can command such terms. often, thats not the case. but i am happy to see andrew and amanda take control of their show and make sure its quality and its personality stay in tact despite playing ads. andrew, was curious i assume most to all watch rboom episodes all the way through right? most advertisers prefer to 'air' commercials before vids, not after... but if you are able to show that most eyes and ears are still there at the end, i suppose it doesnt matter too much. On 1/29/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew and Amanda have thought alot about the auction's short and long term issues, and I believe they are seeking to strike an ideal balance between revenue with transparency and sponsorships. On 1/29/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I am an A-List vlogger by any means, I wouldnt do this no matter what the reason was. I do have Google Ads on my site and that's plenty. To insert ads into the videos? In my opinion, that's just obnoxious to the viewer. As we are inundated with advertising on TV all the time, I would rather that online videos be clear of this crap. I hate the fact that big media sites force you to watch commercials before their content. I refuse to watch their videos for that reason alone. If vloggers started doing this, I wouldn't watch their videos either. David http://www.taoofdavid.com-- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understand that. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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it's still a gross generalization - opinion or not and i think you have no clue what most people understand (nor do I for that matter) thanks for speaking for him though :) Enric wrote: Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understand that. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
I like you Markus and applaud the things you do to make videoblogging available to people. However I find your shaming of Taylor disturbing. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's still a gross generalization - opinion or not and i think you have no clue what most people understand (nor do I for that matter) thanks for speaking for him though :) Enric wrote: Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understand that. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
too bad enric. if someone claims something about *all* of us, I will free to disagree if I wish. Enric wrote: I like you Markus and applaud the things you do to make videoblogging available to people. However I find your shaming of Taylor disturbing. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's still a gross generalization - opinion or not and i think you have no clue what most people understand (nor do I for that matter) thanks for speaking for him though :) Enric wrote: Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understand that. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
unless everyone is an inference to those who have a relevant interest in advertisingwhich is where maybe assuming can have benefit.ok enough of this hyperbole.cheers-Sull On 1/29/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: too bad enric. if someone claims something about *all* of us, I will free to disagree if I wish. Enric wrote: I like you Markus and applaud the things you do to make videobloggingavailable to people. However I find your shaming of Taylor disturbing. -- Enric--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's still a gross generalization - opinion or notand i think you have no clue what most people understand (nor do I for that matter)thanks for speaking for him though :)Enric wrote: Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understandthat. -- Enric--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga.Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations?As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others.Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get?Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Of course I meant: IF THEY WANT TO. Pardon my lack of precision. I doubt anyone here thinks I think everyone wants ads in their videos. Of course not everyone wants ads. I didn't think I needed to write that to express my enthusiasm for Andrew's innovative approach to the problem. Thank you for CRUSHING MY ENTHUSIASM as quickly as possible. I will retreat AGAIN as you wish. You have successfully destroyed my enthusiasm for participating here once again. You make me feel totally unwanted, Congratulations on your ability to make a WEAK MAN feel INFERIOR to your perfection. Your rapid response to negatively attack anything I write positively is outstanding. I am obviously not worthy of posting anything here. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:36 AM, Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Certainly it's your right. As it is for anyone to push back. I see the distributed net as a competition of ideas, works, views, etc. with no one in central control -- and I think that's overall beneficial. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: too bad enric. if someone claims something about *all* of us, I will free to disagree if I wish. Enric wrote: I like you Markus and applaud the things you do to make videoblogging available to people. However I find your shaming of Taylor disturbing. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's still a gross generalization - opinion or not and i think you have no clue what most people understand (nor do I for that matter) thanks for speaking for him though :) Enric wrote: Taylor is expressing his point of view, I think most people understand that. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not *everyone* wants ads Kunga. Were you not listening yesterday in the video conference when several people gave you flack about your gross generalizations? As with many things, on-line auctions may work well for some and not for others. Here's a question for all: will you try this and, if so, will you tend to set reserves or take whatever you can get? Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
Kunga, Try not to take it personally. I think your comments and enthusiasm are welcome here. Its a big group and people definitely battle out ideas sometimes. Don't let any one person get you down. -josh On 1/29/06, Kunga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I meant: IF THEY WANT TO. Pardon my lack of precision. I doubt anyone here thinks I think everyone wants ads in their videos. Of course not everyone wants ads. I didn't think I needed to write that to express my enthusiasm for Andrew's innovative approach to the problem. Thank you for CRUSHING MY ENTHUSIASM as quickly as possible. I will retreat AGAIN as you wish. You have successfully destroyed my enthusiasm for participating here once again. You make me feel totally unwanted, Congratulations on your ability to make a WEAK MAN feel INFERIOR to your perfection. Your rapid response to negatively attack anything I write positively is outstanding. I am obviously not worthy of posting anything here. -- Taylor Barcroft http://www.blogger.com/profile/11159903 New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:36 AM, Kunga wrote: I think this may be a way for everyone to garner ads. I love it. Brilliant path! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
people often disagree in this group taylor, but you generally characterize any remark from me as an attack. please chill out. this passive/aggressive bs is old hat by now and yes, precision in statements often helps Kunga wrote: Of course I meant: IF THEY WANT TO. Pardon my lack of precision. I doubt anyone here thinks I think everyone wants ads in their videos. Of course not everyone wants ads. I didn't think I needed to write that to express my enthusiasm for Andrew's innovative approach to the problem. Thank you for CRUSHING MY ENTHUSIASM as quickly as possible. I will retreat AGAIN as you wish. You have successfully destroyed my enthusiasm for participating here once again. You make me feel totally unwanted, Congratulations on your ability to make a WEAK MAN feel INFERIOR to your perfection. Your rapid response to negatively attack anything I write positively is outstanding. I am obviously not worthy of posting anything here. -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Rocketboom to Auction Advertising Time on Ebay?
I went. I saw. I laughed. I did actually laugh. Laughing is a good thing. Something I needed right now. Thank you. Is it just me or does one of the woodchucks sound like it has a french accent? David http://taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AQ Do yourself a favor and visit my Vlog Bullemhead.com Working for a laugh, and (mostly) worthless On 1/28/06, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/28/06, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UH, sigh, whatever. Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com http://www.dailymotion.com/pjkproductions http://pjkproductions.blip.tv http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=pjkproductions http://feeds.feedburner.com/pjkproductions It's worth a laugh and (mostly) work friendly. an excellent contribution to this dialogue...bravo! For the sake of Peace on Earth, wait for the liquor to wear off Save the remark to a draft, then decide whether to hit the send button. And believe me I have unfortunately not mastered this craft yet Do it for Peace on Earth! It's for THE EARTH! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
