Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
or film blog. flog. hehe On 18 Sep 2005, at 02:12, Randolfe Wicker wrote: > With all this discussion of the need for simple terms, has anyone > considered > using the term "moving picture blogs"? > - Original Message - > From: "andrew michael baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :( > > > This all hints at why terminology IS very important. If a term can > make your friend get, when another term cant, there is something > important there. > > Last night I heard a rally of women speaking out against John > Roberts. Because he is against abortion, they were saying he can not > continue to call them objects, they are individual human beings. > Words DO mean a lot. > > I have complained that Apple calls "video podcats" -> "audioblogs". > This just doesn't feel right. I would feel like a dope if I had to > say videoblogs were "audioblogs". > > Feelings matter too. > > > > On Sep 16, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Bill Streeter wrote: > > >> I agree with Eric, use what works. >> >> > > But Eric was pushing "video podcasting" as the term for everyone. -AB > > > >> Okay, I mentioned this a while back. I'm not a fan of the word blog. >> It's really not a pleasant sounding word. Believe it or not a lot >> of "civilians" I run into still have no clue what a "blog" is. So >> when you start throwing terms like "video blog" or "vlog" you might >> as well be speaking Chinese most of the time. I've given up trying >> to explain what I do in those terms. When I do their eyes glaze >> over. When I say "I put video on the internet" their eyes light up— >> they get it. When I start talking about RSS delivery and enclosures, >> I loose them again. When I say, "it's a video podcast," most of them >> get it again. It may be incorrect, technically, to describe it as >> a "video podcast" but what the fuck? It's close enough and, more >> importantly, people get it. >> >> Example: There is a guy who has a record label that I've done some >> consulting work for. I had a conversation with him about 9 months >> ago about podcasting and video blogging. He's not a moron, and he >> reads blogs and he's fairly technically literate. But I could tell >> that he didn't really get it, I could see that the more I tried to >> explain it the more I was loosing him... >> >> Skip ahead to about 3 weeks ago. I tell him he should open up his >> back catalog to podcasters so the bands he's signed can get some >> play somewhere. His eyes light up, he gets it now… and he tells me >> about all the podcasts he's subscribed to via iTunes. I ask him if >> he's checked out my video blog lately. He said he did recently but >> missed some shit because he forgets to check it regularly. >> >> "Well," I say, "You know that it's actually like a video podcast… >> you can subscribe to it via iTunes" >> >> He gets really excited… "I didn't know they had VIDEO podcasts!!" >> >> "Yeah, of course" I tell him "there's no video ipod yet but you can >> get the stuff downloaded automatically to your computer, in the same >> way as a podcast, and iTunes plays video." And I explain to him that >> he can subscribe in one click—pretty damn easy. Now did I know that >> it was a slight mischaracterization to call it a "video podcast?" >> yeah, but was I going to let that stop the conversation? HELL NO! He >> was getting it! >> >> Obviously the new popularity of the term "Podcast" was the reason he >> finally "got it." >> >> Vlogging, Vlog, video blog, video podcast… I'll use whatever works, >> whatever people understand. Right now that seems to be "podcast" for >> better or worse. >> >> Bill Streeter >> www.lofistl.com >> >> >> >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan >>> >>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i >>>> >>>> >> certainly dont >> >> >>>> like it for video. an iPod and any mobile
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
ha. no. On 9/17/05, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With all this discussion of the need for simple terms, has anyone consideredusing the term "moving picture blogs"?- Original Message -From: "andrew michael baron" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <videoblogging@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:47 AMSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :( This all hints at why terminology IS very important. If a term canmake your friend get, when another term cant, there is somethingimportant there.Last night I heard a rally of women speaking out against John Roberts. Because he is against abortion, they were saying he can notcontinue to call them objects, they are individual human beings.Words DO mean a lot.I have complained that Apple calls "video podcats" -> "audioblogs". This just doesn't feel right. I would feel like a dope if I had tosay videoblogs were "audioblogs".Feelings matter too.On Sep 16, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Bill Streeter wrote:> I agree with Eric, use what works. >But Eric was pushing "video podcasting" as the term for everyone. -AB> Okay, I mentioned this a while back. I'm not a fan of the word blog.> It's really not a pleasant sounding word. Believe it or not a lot > of "civilians" I run into still have no clue what a "blog" is. So> when you start throwing terms like "video blog" or "vlog" you might> as well be speaking Chinese most of the time. I've given up trying > to explain what I do in those terms. When I do their eyes glaze> over. When I say "I put video on the internet" their eyes light up—> they get it. When I start talking about RSS delivery and enclosures, > I loose them again. When I say, "it's a video podcast," most of them> get it again. It may be incorrect, technically, to describe it as> a "video podcast" but what the fuck? It's close enough and, more > importantly, people get it.>> Example: There is a guy who has a record label that I've done some> consulting work for. I had a conversation with him about 9 months> ago about podcasting and video blogging. He's not a moron, and he > reads blogs and he's fairly technically literate. But I could tell> that he didn't really get it, I could see that the more I tried to> explain it the more I was loosing him...>> Skip ahead to about 3 weeks ago. I tell him he should open up his > back catalog to podcasters so the bands he's signed can get some> play somewhere. His eyes light up, he gets it now… and he tells me> about all the podcasts he's subscribed to via iTunes. I ask him if > he's checked out my video blog lately. He said he did recently but> missed some shit because he forgets to check it regularly.>> "Well," I say, "You know that it's actually like a video podcast… > you can subscribe to it via iTunes">> He gets really excited… "I didn't know they had VIDEO podcasts!!">> "Yeah, of course" I tell him "there's no video ipod yet but you can > get the stuff downloaded automatically to your computer, in the same> way as a podcast, and iTunes plays video." And I explain to him that> he can subscribe in one click—pretty damn easy. Now did I know that > it was a slight mischaracterization to call it a "video podcast?"> yeah, but was I going to let that stop the conversation? HELL NO! He> was getting it!>> Obviously the new popularity of the term "Podcast" was the reason he > finally "got it.">> Vlogging, Vlog, video blog, video podcast… I'll use whatever works,> whatever people understand. Right now that seems to be "podcast" for> better or worse. >> Bill Streeter> www.lofistl.com>>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>> >>>>> it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i>>>> certainly dont>>>> like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one->>> > part of the big>>>> scheme of things anyways.>>> i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point>>>>>>> I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and >>> stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that>>> the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the>>> natural, and the learning>>> curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known. >>>> More than likely I think we'll see tha
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
With all this discussion of the need for simple terms, has anyone considered using the term "moving picture blogs"? - Original Message - From: "andrew michael baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :( This all hints at why terminology IS very important. If a term can make your friend get, when another term cant, there is something important there. Last night I heard a rally of women speaking out against John Roberts. Because he is against abortion, they were saying he can not continue to call them objects, they are individual human beings. Words DO mean a lot. I have complained that Apple calls "video podcats" -> "audioblogs". This just doesn't feel right. I would feel like a dope if I had to say videoblogs were "audioblogs". Feelings matter too. On Sep 16, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Bill Streeter wrote: > I agree with Eric, use what works. > But Eric was pushing "video podcasting" as the term for everyone. -AB > Okay, I mentioned this a while back. I'm not a fan of the word blog. > It's really not a pleasant sounding word. Believe it or not a lot > of "civilians" I run into still have no clue what a "blog" is. So > when you start throwing terms like "video blog" or "vlog" you might > as well be speaking Chinese most of the time. I've given up trying > to explain what I do in those terms. When I do their eyes glaze > over. When I say "I put video on the internet" their eyes light up— > they get it. When I start talking about RSS delivery and enclosures, > I loose them again. When I say, "it's a video podcast," most of them > get it again. It may be incorrect, technically, to describe it as > a "video podcast" but what the fuck? It's close enough and, more > importantly, people get it. > > Example: There is a guy who has a record label that I've done some > consulting work for. I had a conversation with him about 9 months > ago about podcasting and video blogging. He's not a moron, and he > reads blogs and he's fairly technically literate. But I could tell > that he didn't really get it, I could see that the more I tried to > explain it the more I was loosing him... > > Skip ahead to about 3 weeks ago. I tell him he should open up his > back catalog to podcasters so the bands he's signed can get some > play somewhere. His eyes light up, he gets it now… and he tells me > about all the podcasts he's subscribed to via iTunes. I ask him if > he's checked out my video blog lately. He said he did recently but > missed some shit because he forgets to check it regularly. > > "Well," I say, "You know that it's actually like a video podcast… > you can subscribe to it via iTunes" > > He gets really excited… "I didn't know they had VIDEO podcasts!!" > > "Yeah, of course" I tell him "there's no video ipod yet but you can > get the stuff downloaded automatically to your computer, in the same > way as a podcast, and iTunes plays video." And I explain to him that > he can subscribe in one click—pretty damn easy. Now did I know that > it was a slight mischaracterization to call it a "video podcast?" > yeah, but was I going to let that stop the conversation? HELL NO! He > was getting it! > > Obviously the new popularity of the term "Podcast" was the reason he > finally "got it." > > Vlogging, Vlog, video blog, video podcast… I'll use whatever works, > whatever people understand. Right now that seems to be "podcast" for > better or worse. > > Bill Streeter > www.lofistl.com > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >>> it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i >>> > certainly dont > >>> like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one- >>> > part of the big > >>> scheme of things anyways. >>> i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point >>> >> >> I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and >> > stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that > >> the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the >> > natural, and the learning > >> curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known. >> >> More than likely I think we'll see that the terms get u
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My grandmother had casters on her couch so she could move it around > more easily. > > She was one of the first vouchcasters... ;-) > > On Sep 16, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: > > > Am I the only rock and roller old enough to remember when "casters" > > referred to a particular bunch of groupies that used to be famous for > > making plaster casts of various rock stars' private parts? > > --Steve Yeah, KISS had a song, PLASTER, CASTER > -- > Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com > Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com > Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com > > Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
My grandmother had casters on her couch so she could move it around more easily. She was one of the first vouchcasters... ;-) On Sep 16, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Markus Sandy wrote: > Am I the only rock and roller old enough to remember when "casters" > referred to a particular bunch of groupies that used to be famous for > making plaster casts of various rock stars' private parts? --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Look, you guys. Are we spatulacasting our spatulablogging? I know why I got into this...http://www.etherworks.ca/2005_09_01_blogarchive.htmlOn 17-Sep-05, at 4:40 AM, Adam Quirk wrote: On 9/17/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Look, it's all well and good to *discuss* spatulas, but without a spatulacast to back it up, the words are meaningless... http://tinkernet.org/2005/09/16/spatulacasting/ Pete How do you have a conversation about spatulacasting without discussing whisking? http://www.bullemhead.com/FiveFour/the_whisking.html > Effing spatula snobs. For cough. Go flip an egg. -- Q bullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
On 9/17/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Look, it's all well and good to *discuss* spatulas, but without a spatulacast to back it up, the words are meaningless... http://tinkernet.org/2005/09/16/spatulacasting/ Pete How do you have a conversation about spatulacasting without discussing whisking? http://www.bullemhead.com/FiveFour/the_whisking.html > Effing spatula snobs. For cough. Go flip an egg. -- Q bullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brett Gaylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yo yo yo, join me, drop the P, add a D, I wanna make oddcasts. > > > > But do we call them spatcasts, spatucasts, spatulacasts, or > > spatulablogs, or spatulatory delight? Questions, questions! > > Well, my personal spatulablog (I've given up on my battle to just > call them spatublogs...I accept that the masses have already adopted > the term) expresses what spatulas mean to me, personally, and are > updated regularly. My spatcast can be a previous spatula that I'd > like to repackage, someone else's spatula, or perhaps an audio > recording of me using a spatula. Look, it's all well and good to *discuss* spatulas, but without a spatulacast to back it up, the words are meaningless... http://tinkernet.org/2005/09/16/spatulacasting/ Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Heh... sounds like something a dairy farmer would say. But I like it. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "grab my feed" > > On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > To me "sign up" implies having to "register" (like with my email address). > > > > How about "plug my feed into your player or aggregator" > > > > > > Randolfe Wicker wrote: > > > > Why even use the term "subscribe"? Just say "sign up for" my videoblog. > > "Sign up for" doesn't imply something you pay for. > > > > - Original Message ----- > > *From:* Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > *To:* videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2005 1:06 PM > > *Subject:* [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :( > > > > I've actually run into snags explaining to people that they > > can "subscribe" to my video blog. More often than not people > > ask, "how much does it cost?" > > > > > > -- > > > > My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us <http://app.etitio.us> > > > > http://apperceptions.org > > http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com > > http://spinflow.org > > http://wearethemedia.com > > http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ > > > > aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > skype: msandy > > spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Individual<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Individual&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Explains&c=3&s=43&.sig=jfEB_5hyst_semPUs5kM_Q> > > Fireant<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fireant&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Explains&c=3&s=43&.sig=ofkBYSRAqA4LBehb98mK8A> > > Explains<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Explains&w1=Individual&w2=Fireant&w3=Explains&c=3&s=43&.sig=ICAE5KyehbkVi3PDo2FPfg> > > -- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > >- Visit your group "videoblogging<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging>" > >on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > >Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > sull > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation > from which new form is born" > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory > http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator > http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
"grab my feed"On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To me "sign up" implies having to "register" (like with my email
address).
How about "plug my feed into your player or aggregator"
Randolfe Wicker wrote:
Why even use the term "subscribe"?
Just say "sign up for" my videoblog. "Sign up for" doesn't imply
something you pay for.
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ask, "how much does it cost?"
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
To me "sign up" implies having to "register" (like with my email address). How about "plug my feed into your player or aggregator" Randolfe Wicker wrote: Why even use the term "subscribe"? Just say "sign up for" my videoblog. "Sign up for" doesn't imply something you pay for. - Original Message - From: Bill Streeter To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :( I've actually run into snags explaining to people that they can "subscribe" to my video blog. More often than not people ask, "how much does it cost?" -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
> Yo yo yo, join me, drop the P, add a D, I wanna make oddcasts. But do we call them spatcasts, spatucasts, spatulacasts, or spatulablogs, or spatulatory delight? Questions, questions!Well, my personal spatulablog (I've given up on my battle to just call them spatublogs...I accept that the masses have already adopted the term) expresses what spatulas mean to me, personally, and are updated regularly. My spatcast can be a previous spatula that I'd like to repackage, someone else's spatula, or perhaps an audio recording of me using a spatula. Frankly, I think the community has made this clear and you are verging on troll territory.b - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Why even use the term "subscribe"? Just say "sign up for" my videoblog. "Sign up for" doesn't imply something you pay for. - Original Message - From: Bill Streeter To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :( I've actually run into snags explaining to people that they can "subscribe" to my video blog. More often than not people ask, "how much does it cost?" So even the term subscription can be problematic--as many people associate the word "subscription" to some kind of pay for play system like magazine subscriptions. Aggregate, RSS, and syndication can all be problem terms too. I'm not above explaining it to people, but sometimes its hard to do that and not come off as some kind of ubergeek know it all, or just watching people nod off or try to change the subject. I struggle with using terms that are accurate, concise and easy to understand. My current strategy is to use what ever terms I know people are likely to understand, get them hooked on the concept and if they show more interest in how to get more feeds or how to make a feed themselves then I start busting out some of the more "heavy" terminology.Bill Streeterwww.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway (this is > > not a push technology, except possibly for the pings and trackbacks).> > > > Though you may have an argument here, it has a few holes. > Today, we have new technology... we are a digital culture. > Though as a publisher, you may not be 'pushing' content like traditional > systems have done, but if the aggregator tools and audience have your > channel subscribed and set to 'catch' and download your media, moments after > you publish something new, then you are indeed pushing media to an audience. > Sure, they need to subscribe first, but so to do you need to subscribe to > digital cable channels and satellite radio. Once subscribed, publishers are > able to push content to you as you pull it in. > > We are casting and we are catching. It will become more and more seamless. I > have not used Akimbo or other TV centric systems, but I believe you subscibe > to Internet channels and it downloads the media for you to play. Internet > based content publishers are pushing the content to this device in your > home. Content includes any media RSS feeds and other methods using search > engines to find and download media. > When you sit down to watch some video on your TV, you will have the option > to play what you have stored locally or retrieve new content from new > channels. VOD in either case. > > The audience pulls, publishers push. Its the digital way. Its the DV > revolution, in our case.> > sull> > -- > sull> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation > from which new form is born"> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory> http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator > http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Steve Watkins wrote: > Yes I demand a HDV version of spatula. > > My detailed laboratory analysis on the issue reveals that the optimal > settings for encoding widescreen spatula video is as follows: > > 960x540 at no less than 1500kbits/sec. > > People disagree over how many frames per second humans need of the > spatula in flight, in order to capture the full smoothness and majesty > of the spatula in its native environment. For best results, I > recommend 50fps. > > Due to their shape, spatulas are prone to obvious interlacing > artefacts when in motion. Some of the finest minds this side of > sneezeston on knees are working on the optimum spatula deinterlacing > algorithm. > > Yo yo yo, join me, drop the P, add a D, I wanna make oddcasts. But do we call them spatcasts, spatucasts, spatulacasts, or spatulablogs, or spatulatory delight? Questions, questions! Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
On 9/16/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Due to their shape, spatulas are prone to obvious interlacing artefacts when in motion. Some of the finest minds this side of sneezeston on knees are working on the optimum spatula deinterlacing algorithm. Unified heterogeneous algorithms have led to many important advances, including model checking and IPv4. Given the current status of replicated models, biologists dubiously desire the study of lambda calculus, which embodies the robust principles of machine learning. See: http://www.bullemhead.com/Science/a_case_for_neural_networks.html > Therefore, the "spatula algorithm" is vaporware until Escroll builds on related work in linear-time models and cryptoanalysis. FWIW. References: 1. http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/ > -- Q bullemhead.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I suppose. Movie probably wont because it has connotations of a > feature length movie. So many contradictions, as we have quicktime > movies and hence .mov. Still the media coverage so far has adopted > the videoblog label. But its possible the videblog label could be > narrowed and end up referring to the sorts of short personal > videoblogs that have been a big part of th 'first wave'. Will 'show' > type video end up with a different name? After all many online video > shows existed before videoblogging terminology and technology came along. > > Steve of Elbows Well put! Video blogs should indeed represent a "personal" time-based site that includes video content. You made the best point by reminding people that video has been on the Internet since the yearly 90s. Blogs only represent an easy way for individuals to publish content. You write, date gets added automatically and people consume the content based on time. The database structure for blog posts is very basic and this structure applies to most content management systems. So where does term vlog end and what is after that? Of course content is inherently posted based on time, but given a video database, time is only one way to search. If I decide to break away from the time-based blog format and move to another browsing structure, is it still considered a vlog? What if the content is based on something other than myself? For example, if I vlog on a "theme" that has geographic locations, time become less important and now venue location is the main browsing structure. If the content is presented using search and maps, is this still considered a vlog? Part of me says no because it is not a personal, but then what is it? -Matt -- http://www.leanbackvids.com/videoblog/ http://www.vlogmap.org/blog/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
960x540 at no less than 1500kbits/sec.Are you certain that this will meet Apple's SDK for iTunes 12.7 (code name: Marmot)?I have my doubts that H.268 will support this sort of redonculation.b - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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OK, sorry to railroad serious stuff, here, but I just have to point you all to the:Web Economy Bullshit Generatorhttp://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.htmlRemember: optimize dot-com nichesbOn 16-Sep-05, at 2:48 PM, Brett Gaylor wrote: Spatula City, here I come!ispatulacast.pod.net , streamed in HD to your aggregator futurecaster open content directory-fier! Frickin A!For free!b-Brett Gaylor[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.etherworks.caYAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Yes I demand a HDV version of spatula. My detailed laboratory analysis on the issue reveals that the optimal settings for encoding widescreen spatula video is as follows: 960x540 at no less than 1500kbits/sec. People disagree over how many frames per second humans need of the spatula in flight, in order to capture the full smoothness and majesty of the spatula in its native environment. For best results, I recommend 50fps. Due to their shape, spatulas are prone to obvious interlacing artefacts when in motion. Some of the finest minds this side of sneezeston on knees are working on the optimum spatula deinterlacing algorithm. Yo yo yo, join me, drop the P, add a D, I wanna make oddcasts. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brett Gaylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Spatula City, here I come! > > ispatulacast.pod.net , streamed in HD to your aggregator futurecaster > open content directory-fier! Frickin A! > > For free! > b > > > - > Brett Gaylor > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.etherworks.ca Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Spatula City, here I come!ispatulacast.pod.net , streamed in HD to your aggregator futurecaster open content directory-fier! Frickin A!For free!b - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Brett Gaylor wrote: > The only way I can get my non-geek friends to understand what > videblogging is: > > "It's like podcasting. But with video." > > I hate it as much as the next, but at the end of the day I don't really > care that much. Come to think of it, say the word "blog" five times and > listen to how stupid it is. Or, for that matter, "spatula". Dammit! There goes my plans for world domination made possible through the spreading of my "Spatula casting" network... Spatula City, here I come! Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
I work with many, for the lack of a better term, 'normal' English people. Many of them have been on the net for 5 or 6 years, but few have ever connected to any of the sites, communities, cultures and information streams that I do. Age range about 25-55 so not quite part of the latest digital generation growing up on this stuff. Their behaviour on the internet contrasts hugely with the people I meet on the net who are more submerged in net-culture (for lack of a better term). Its a huge gap that I cannot overstate, ok maybe I could overstate it. I believe a primary factors include: Information overload. Im an info junkie and by being exposed to the net early, when it was still academic mostly, and by being a nerd, I obviously have a head start. I know how to filter out all the crap that bombards people when they go to many sites. I forget its even there, zoom in on what I need. But lots of peoples minds get blown. At least theres been some progress on that front, I like the 'clean' internet wheich is emerging with nicer standards, better sight design, better search etc tools. And more importantly, is where people get to hear about stuff. How do they find out you exist? This is where mainstream emdia stil has an edge. When I look at the Apple Podcast top 100, it seems to fit with this concept. Im looking at it and its dominated by existing media, I assume because millions of people have already heard of these people, they know what to expect, theres an existing audience to tap into. Still I see so many UK shows there that Im starting to think that maybe Apple have different listings for different regions? Can someone from the US tell me what the top 5 are in 'todays top podcasts' iTunes Podcast Directory listing? Anyway I dont know anybody at work who knows what a blog is, or a podcast. None of them have ipods, a few are starting to get phones that can play mp3s. They understand when I say video on the internet, many of them have watched video clips on websites, the usual 'funny' clips that have been popular for years. Quite a few of them listen to live streaming radio, but again they are listening to existing UK local commercial radio or the BBC. It must be natural, and to do with familiarity. Videoblogging or whatever you want to call it, has both unfamilair technology and unfamiliar content. I therefore have a hunch that familiar content will bring people to the dance, along with maturing (more invisible) technology. A slow process of barriers disappearing and making all of this accessible to a wider audience. Some of these things are beyond our control, can do a lot to eliminate others. Big media companies and hardware companies cn do stuff too, how much will they mutate the form in the process? Ive been surprised a bit that various press stories about specific videobloggers havent spiked peoples ratings more than it seems they actually have. If I were a betting man, Im not sure Id bet on the word blog. Video seems like a sfer bet, though I dont know if it will be abreviated or not, or what it will be attached to. internet/net/IP TV could usurp it I suppose. Movie probably wont because it has connotations of a feature length movie. So many contradictions, as we have quicktime movies and hence .mov. Still the media coverage so far has adopted the videoblog label. But its possible the videblog label could be narrowed and end up referring to the sorts of short personal videoblogs that have been a big part of th 'first wave'. Will 'show' type video end up with a different name? After all many online video shows existed before videoblogging terminology and technology came along. Im off to waste some time on the trademark database seeing if theres any new stuff going down on that front. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > when talking to your potential audience etc who may not be in the know of > the geekery, why not just call it Internet TV and Internet Radio? And you > have a Channel with Shows. > they can Tune In with a Free Subscription > > Visit this Website and/or Download this Software to get started. > > You can even easily Upload my Shows to your iPod or gMini etc... to take > with you on the go. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Debate? Discussion? Eh... whatever, it's a good conversation to
have, regardless. When I'm talking to other vloggers it's a settled
issue for me. I'll call it vlogging, vlog, or video blog. I guess
the terminology isn't an issue for me until I try to talk to someone
about it that is outside the video blogging circle, and that's based
on the experiences I've had. Now context is important too. If I were
to teach a class on it I'd call it a video blog. But, when I'm
talking to someone in a bar, I might just tell them that it's kinda
*like* a podcast with video, or sometimes I just say that I post
video on the internet. And then if they ask for details I'll go
deeper into it. But usually the conversation ends up being more
about the content rather than the delivery system.
Bill Streeter
www.lofistl.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The debate (is that what this is?) should not only be about how to
talk to
> non-publishers or anyone who does not need to know geek tech
terms.
> The debate is how publishers, technologists, teachers and anyone
else
> interested in knowing the tech details should communicate
amongst each
> other.
>
> The above example language could just as easily incorporate any
buzzword
> that they may already know ("So, whats this videoblog thing?"
It's like
> Internet TV that anyone can make)
>
>
> sull
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
The only way I can get my non-geek friends to understand what videblogging is:"It's like podcasting. But with video."I hate it as much as the next, but at the end of the day I don't really care that much. Come to think of it, say the word "blog" five times and listen to how stupid it is. Or, for that matter, "spatula".bOn 16-Sep-05, at 2:28 AM, Eric Rice wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i certainly dont > like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one-part of the big > scheme of things anyways. > i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the natural, and the learning curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known. More than likely I think we'll see that the terms get used interchangeably. I'm compltely arbitrary when I use video podcast vs videoblog. If I'm talking to consumers, I use VP. If I'm talkin to youse guys, it's vb (or if I'm lazy, it's vlog.) At least that's how my head works. Heh. ER YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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No its probably a hardware thing too. Processor in current iPods probably hugely inadequate to decode mpeg4, let alone h264. Could be other bottlenecks, but I dont know, eg display controller. Video ipod will need more powerful processor, or extra chips that can decode video and not use allt he CPUs power. Ots possible that they could have started including suitable hardware in recent models, but I doubt it. The Sony PSP has probably set the bar in terms of screen size, even if Apple dont go for widescreen I doubt any much-marketed video ipod will have a screen as small as current ipods, I mean its currently smaller than a lot of recent mobile phone screens. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After all, it's a software thing. They could upgrade all iPods with color > screens to play video from day one. They probably already have it > working on all of them in their labs. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
when talking to your potential audience etc who may not be in the know of the geekery, why not just call it Internet TV and Internet Radio? And you have a
Channel with Shows.
they can Tune In with a Free Subscription
Visit this Website and/or
Download this Software to get started.
You can even easily Upload my Shows to your iPod or
gMini etc... to take with you on the go.
---
The debate (is that what this is?) should not only be about how to talk
to non-publishers or anyone who does not need to know geek tech
terms.
The debate is how publishers, technologists, teachers and anyone else
interested in knowing the tech details should communicate amongst
each other.
The above example language could just as easily incorporate any
buzzword that they may already know ("So, whats this videoblog
thing?" It's like Internet TV that anyone can make)
sull
On 9/16/05, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've actually run into snags explaining to people that theycan "subscribe" to my video blog. More often than not peopleask, "how much does it cost?" So even the term subscription can beproblematic--as many people associate the word "subscription" to
some kind of pay for play system like magazine subscriptions.Aggregate, RSS, and syndication can all be problem terms too. I'mnot above explaining it to people, but sometimes its hard to do thatand not come off as some kind of ubergeek know it all, or just
watching people nod off or try to change the subject. I strugglewith using terms that are accurate, concise and easy to understand.My current strategy is to use what ever terms I know people arelikely to understand, get them hooked on the concept and if they
show more interest in how to get more feeds or how to make a feedthemselves then I start busting out some of the more "heavy"terminology.Bill Streeterwww.lofistl.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
> > We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway(this is> > not a push technology, except possibly for the pings andtrackbacks).> >>> Though you may have an argument here, it has a few holes.
> Today, we have new technology... we are a digital culture.> Though as a publisher, you may not be 'pushing' content liketraditional> systems have done, but if the aggregator tools and audience have
your> channel subscribed and set to 'catch' and download your media,moments after> you publish something new, then you are indeed pushing media to anaudience.> Sure, they need to subscribe first, but so to do you need to
subscribe to> digital cable channels and satellite radio. Once subscribed,publishers are> able to push content to you as you pull it in.>> We are casting and we are catching. It will become more and more
seamless. I> have not used Akimbo or other TV centric systems, but I believeyou subscibe> to Internet channels and it downloads the media for you to play.Internet> based content publishers are pushing the content to this device in
your> home. Content includes any media RSS feeds and other methods usingsearch> engines to find and download media.> When you sit down to watch some video on your TV, you will havethe option
> to play what you have stored locally or retrieve new content fromnew> channels. VOD in either case.>> The audience pulls, publishers push. Its the digital way. Its theDV> revolution, in our case.
>> sull>> --> sull> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth andrevelation
> from which new form is born"> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
EnclosureCast is a pun. Dont take that seriously. see: http://search.yahoo.com/mrss see: http://www.advogato.org/article/853.html maybe try: Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Journalist, Blogger ; ^ ) ;-) On 9/16/05, Kunga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Snarky.. OK I give up. I no longer know my own identity. We appear tobe in the midst of a semantic war over what this/these new medium/media is/are. I guess we need an Apple Video iPod for temporaryvalidation of the Video Podcast term. But remember when there used to be a Photo iPod? Now that same iPod is called an iPod. Perhaps the"video" prefix will no longer apply in a year when Apple decides toroll video playback capability into all iPods as well. After all, it's a software thing. They could upgrade all iPods with colorscreens to play video from day one. They probably already have itworking on all of them in their labs.I guess I'll be an EnclosureCaster today. But I'm starting to think that the public perception of the word "Podcast" may morph over thenext year to mean "any type of media they can request by subscription(or not) from the internet for consumption on any number of portable as well as home anchored (ie - HDTVs and stereos) devices".--Taylor BarcroftNew Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, EnclosureCaster ; ^ )Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon ValleyURL http://FutureMedia.orgRSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMediaiTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype)kungag5 (iChat-AIM)On Sep 16, 2005, at 1:01 AM, Eric Rice wrote:> Are we enclosure-casting? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-> Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Snarky.. OK I give up. I no longer know my own identity. We appear to be in the midst of a semantic war over what this/these new medium/ media is/are. I guess we need an Apple Video iPod for temporary validation of the Video Podcast term. But remember when there used to be a Photo iPod? Now that same iPod is called an iPod. Perhaps the "video" prefix will no longer apply in a year when Apple decides to roll video playback capability into all iPods as well. After all, it's a software thing. They could upgrade all iPods with color screens to play video from day one. They probably already have it working on all of them in their labs. I guess I'll be an EnclosureCaster today. But I'm starting to think that the public perception of the word "Podcast" may morph over the next year to mean "any type of media they can request by subscription (or not) from the internet for consumption on any number of portable as well as home anchored (ie - HDTVs and stereos) devices". -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, EnclosureCaster ; ^ ) Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Sep 16, 2005, at 1:01 AM, Eric Rice wrote: > Are we enclosure-casting? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
I've actually run into snags explaining to people that they can "subscribe" to my video blog. More often than not people ask, "how much does it cost?" So even the term subscription can be problematic--as many people associate the word "subscription" to some kind of pay for play system like magazine subscriptions. Aggregate, RSS, and syndication can all be problem terms too. I'm not above explaining it to people, but sometimes its hard to do that and not come off as some kind of ubergeek know it all, or just watching people nod off or try to change the subject. I struggle with using terms that are accurate, concise and easy to understand. My current strategy is to use what ever terms I know people are likely to understand, get them hooked on the concept and if they show more interest in how to get more feeds or how to make a feed themselves then I start busting out some of the more "heavy" terminology. Bill Streeter www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway (this is > > not a push technology, except possibly for the pings and trackbacks). > > > > Though you may have an argument here, it has a few holes. > Today, we have new technology... we are a digital culture. > Though as a publisher, you may not be 'pushing' content like traditional > systems have done, but if the aggregator tools and audience have your > channel subscribed and set to 'catch' and download your media, moments after > you publish something new, then you are indeed pushing media to an audience. > Sure, they need to subscribe first, but so to do you need to subscribe to > digital cable channels and satellite radio. Once subscribed, publishers are > able to push content to you as you pull it in. > > We are casting and we are catching. It will become more and more seamless. I > have not used Akimbo or other TV centric systems, but I believe you subscibe > to Internet channels and it downloads the media for you to play. Internet > based content publishers are pushing the content to this device in your > home. Content includes any media RSS feeds and other methods using search > engines to find and download media. > When you sit down to watch some video on your TV, you will have the option > to play what you have stored locally or retrieve new content from new > channels. VOD in either case. > > The audience pulls, publishers push. Its the digital way. Its the DV > revolution, in our case. > > sull > > -- > sull > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation > from which new form is born" > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory > http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator > http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
h, good point sull. but you know me, I'm thinking p2p here and in that case it's not just a simple 1 to many (server-client) relationship between a content producer and their audience in p2p land, there is a more viral distribution mechanism at play: I pull Josh Leo's feed and see something wonderful and drop it into a group and automatically provide both the push and the pull you mentioned. The people in that group may do the same thing. And so on. Is that Josh's audience or mine or something else altogether? Same is true to a degree for people who revlog (e.g., Josh Leo's Picks or Richard's Picks, etc). The difference is that in a p2p environment, everyone revlogs (recasts?) to their peers (even if they don't contribute media, they may act as connectors). Now to me, that's revolutionary! markus Michael Sullivan wrote: On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway (this is not a push technology, except possibly for the pings and trackbacks). The audience pulls, publishers push. Its the digital way. Its the DV revolution, in our case. sull -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
On 9/16/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway (this is not a push technology, except possibly for the pings and trackbacks). Though you may have an argument here, it has a few holes. Today, we have new technology... we are a digital culture. Though as a publisher, you may not be 'pushing' content like traditional systems have done, but if the aggregator tools and audience have your channel subscribed and set to 'catch' and download your media, moments after you publish something new, then you are indeed pushing media to an audience. Sure, they need to subscribe first, but so to do you need to subscribe to digital cable channels and satellite radio. Once subscribed, publishers are able to push content to you as you pull it in. We are casting and we are catching. It will become more and more seamless. I have not used Akimbo or other TV centric systems, but I believe you subscibe to Internet channels and it downloads the media for you to play. Internet based content publishers are pushing the content to this device in your home. Content includes any media RSS feeds and other methods using search engines to find and download media. When you sit down to watch some video on your TV, you will have the option to play what you have stored locally or retrieve new content from new channels. VOD in either case. The audience pulls, publishers push. Its the digital way. Its the DV revolution, in our case. sull -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born"- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Am I the only rock and roller old enough to remember when "casters" referred to a particular bunch of groupies that used to be famous for making plaster casts of various rock stars' private parts? We need a better name. Besides, we're not really casting anyway (this is not a push technology, except possibly for the pings and trackbacks). =) Markus P.S. Dave Toole at Outhink says he trademarking the term "SpinCasting" and so I have stopped using it (except this one last time). Eric Rice wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i certainly dont like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one-part of the big scheme of things anyways. i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the natural, and the learning curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known. More than likely I think we'll see that the terms get used interchangeably. I'm compltely arbitrary when I use video podcast vs videoblog. If I'm talking to consumers, I use VP. If I'm talkin to youse guys, it's vb (or if I'm lazy, it's vlog.) At least that's how my head works. Heh. ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Bill Streeter wrote: > I agree with Eric, use what works. > > Okay, I mentioned this a while back. I'm not a fan of the word blog. > It's really not a pleasant sounding word. Believe it or not a lot > of "civilians" I run into still have no clue what a "blog" is. So > when you start throwing terms like "video blog" or "vlog" you might > as well be speaking Chinese most of the time. I've given up trying > to explain what I do in those terms. When I do their eyes glaze > over. When I say "I put video on the internet" their eyes light up� > they get it. When I start talking about RSS delivery and enclosures, > I loose them again. When I say, "it's a video podcast," most of them > get it again. It may be incorrect, technically, to describe it as > a "video podcast" but what the fuck? It's close enough and, more > importantly, people get it. I started "blogging" in 1997, before the term was really applied to what we were doing at the time. I didn't like the word, and still kind of don't like it, but there's not much I can do about it. Same with podcasting, I started doing that before the term was applied to it. I don't know what's going to "win the name war" of what we are doing now: videoblogging, vlogging, vodcasting, but chances are I'll reluctantly accept what everyone else calls it, and what is it ultimately known as... I figure it's the price you pay for helping define a technology rather than just "create a product/market" at some company. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
This all hints at why terminology IS very important. If a term can make your friend get, when another term cant, there is something important there. Last night I heard a rally of women speaking out against John Roberts. Because he is against abortion, they were saying he can not continue to call them objects, they are individual human beings. Words DO mean a lot. I have complained that Apple calls "video podcats" -> "audioblogs". This just doesn't feel right. I would feel like a dope if I had to say videoblogs were "audioblogs". Feelings matter too. On Sep 16, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Bill Streeter wrote: > I agree with Eric, use what works. > But Eric was pushing "video podcasting" as the term for everyone. -AB > Okay, I mentioned this a while back. I'm not a fan of the word blog. > It's really not a pleasant sounding word. Believe it or not a lot > of "civilians" I run into still have no clue what a "blog" is. So > when you start throwing terms like "video blog" or "vlog" you might > as well be speaking Chinese most of the time. I've given up trying > to explain what I do in those terms. When I do their eyes glaze > over. When I say "I put video on the internet" their eyes light up— > they get it. When I start talking about RSS delivery and enclosures, > I loose them again. When I say, "it's a video podcast," most of them > get it again. It may be incorrect, technically, to describe it as > a "video podcast" but what the fuck? It's close enough and, more > importantly, people get it. > > Example: There is a guy who has a record label that I've done some > consulting work for. I had a conversation with him about 9 months > ago about podcasting and video blogging. He's not a moron, and he > reads blogs and he's fairly technically literate. But I could tell > that he didn't really get it, I could see that the more I tried to > explain it the more I was loosing him... > > Skip ahead to about 3 weeks ago. I tell him he should open up his > back catalog to podcasters so the bands he's signed can get some > play somewhere. His eyes light up, he gets it now… and he tells me > about all the podcasts he's subscribed to via iTunes. I ask him if > he's checked out my video blog lately. He said he did recently but > missed some shit because he forgets to check it regularly. > > "Well," I say, "You know that it's actually like a video podcast… > you can subscribe to it via iTunes" > > He gets really excited… "I didn't know they had VIDEO podcasts!!" > > "Yeah, of course" I tell him "there's no video ipod yet but you can > get the stuff downloaded automatically to your computer, in the same > way as a podcast, and iTunes plays video." And I explain to him that > he can subscribe in one click—pretty damn easy. Now did I know that > it was a slight mischaracterization to call it a "video podcast?" > yeah, but was I going to let that stop the conversation? HELL NO! He > was getting it! > > Obviously the new popularity of the term "Podcast" was the reason he > finally "got it." > > Vlogging, Vlog, video blog, video podcast… I'll use whatever works, > whatever people understand. Right now that seems to be "podcast" for > better or worse. > > Bill Streeter > www.lofistl.com > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >>> it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i >>> > certainly dont > >>> like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one- >>> > part of the big > >>> scheme of things anyways. >>> i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point >>> >> >> I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and >> > stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that > >> the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the >> > natural, and the learning > >> curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known. >> >> More than likely I think we'll see that the terms get used >> > interchangeably. I'm compltely > >> arbitrary when I use video podcast vs videoblog. If I'm talking to >> > consumers, I use VP. If I'm > >> talkin to youse guys, it's vb (or if I'm lazy, it's vlog.) >> >> At least that's how my head works. Heh. >> >> ER >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM > > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yaho
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
I agree with Eric, use what works. Okay, I mentioned this a while back. I'm not a fan of the word blog. It's really not a pleasant sounding word. Believe it or not a lot of "civilians" I run into still have no clue what a "blog" is. So when you start throwing terms like "video blog" or "vlog" you might as well be speaking Chinese most of the time. I've given up trying to explain what I do in those terms. When I do their eyes glaze over. When I say "I put video on the internet" their eyes light up they get it. When I start talking about RSS delivery and enclosures, I loose them again. When I say, "it's a video podcast," most of them get it again. It may be incorrect, technically, to describe it as a "video podcast" but what the fuck? It's close enough and, more importantly, people get it. Example: There is a guy who has a record label that I've done some consulting work for. I had a conversation with him about 9 months ago about podcasting and video blogging. He's not a moron, and he reads blogs and he's fairly technically literate. But I could tell that he didn't really get it, I could see that the more I tried to explain it the more I was loosing him... Skip ahead to about 3 weeks ago. I tell him he should open up his back catalog to podcasters so the bands he's signed can get some play somewhere. His eyes light up, he gets it now and he tells me about all the podcasts he's subscribed to via iTunes. I ask him if he's checked out my video blog lately. He said he did recently but missed some shit because he forgets to check it regularly. "Well," I say, "You know that it's actually like a video podcast you can subscribe to it via iTunes" He gets really excited "I didn't know they had VIDEO podcasts!!" "Yeah, of course" I tell him "there's no video ipod yet but you can get the stuff downloaded automatically to your computer, in the same way as a podcast, and iTunes plays video." And I explain to him that he can subscribe in one clickpretty damn easy. Now did I know that it was a slight mischaracterization to call it a "video podcast?" yeah, but was I going to let that stop the conversation? HELL NO! He was getting it! Obviously the new popularity of the term "Podcast" was the reason he finally "got it." Vlogging, Vlog, video blog, video podcast I'll use whatever works, whatever people understand. Right now that seems to be "podcast" for better or worse. Bill Streeter www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i certainly dont > > like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one- part of the big > > scheme of things anyways. > > i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point > > I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that > the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the natural, and the learning > curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known. > > More than likely I think we'll see that the terms get used interchangeably. I'm compltely > arbitrary when I use video podcast vs videoblog. If I'm talking to consumers, I use VP. If I'm > talkin to youse guys, it's vb (or if I'm lazy, it's vlog.) > > At least that's how my head works. Heh. > > ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
andrew michael baron wrote: > > # Video podcasting is different than videoblogging. Podcasting does > not have the blog part. Some podcasters attempt to work this avenue, > but podcasting as a medium generally ignores metadata, hyperlinks, > and general blog mentality. Podcasters will try and argue this. Yet > look no further than iTunes which has zero blog-like features. Also, > people who call themselves or identify with "video podcaster", > obviously come out of a certain angle that is specific to the home > radio mentality, a product specific term which defines a limited time > period (i.e. ipodcasting, etc, will eventually become nostalgic and > exclusive). I dunno, plenty of the podcasts I listen to have the blog part. Many of them even use WordPress, which at it's core is a blogging app. As for iTunes, that's Apple's deal, don't blame the podcasters, many of whom do try to supply good/useful metadata and hyperlinks. I haven't tested too many podcatching clients, but if someone wanted to add in features to one that emphasized metadata, that would be nice. I think we're very lucky that the FireANT guys believe strongly in making that metadata available in the client. Of course I tend to watch videoblogs on my computer, where the metadata is useful, while I tend to listen to podcasts in the car where I can't do anything with metadata. >>Terminology isn't important. Action is. >> > Terminology is VERY important too. Technology r001z! Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
So when we do Meet the Vloggers I am supposed to keep a running list of all the terms used to discribe what we do? Am I also supposed to explain the generation of the terms? Folks would be rubbing their hair out. I can't at this time create a video with an ipod. I can't edit or change anything with an ipod. Video podcasting (currently) makes no sense. You can be a video ipodder if you want. It is a free country. I support you. Keep it simple: Video Blogging. Videoblog. Videocasting. Really have to go, Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > < http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/09/15/1821228.shtml? > tid=176&tid=95&tid=3 > > > Will we be stuck with the term video podcasting? God I hope not. Of > all of the terms I've heard for videoblogging, this is the most > cringe worthy in my book. > > -- > Verdi > http://michaelverdi.com/ > > http://freevlog.org/ > > http://node101.org/ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
On Sep 16, 2005, at 4:01 AM, Eric Rice wrote: > I don't mean to sound TOO snarky, but should we just call off any > and all efforts to do > anything with portable video, including but not limited to phones, > PSPs, and other > disconnected devices? > No, we shouldnt. Who was saying that we should do that? > It sounds like we're trying to force people-made media into a very > very tiny box. Blog- > only, or no vlog for you! > No one is suggesting that. This seems odd because you were the one who was saying, determinately, you call all of this "video podcasting" as the end all word that you have given to everything and the word that you thus promote. > And to ask questions further: > > >> we are not adding video to podcasts >> If you do podcasting and then add video to your podcast, then yea, I guess you are. But if you are not, you are not. > > Are we enclosure-casting video? > Some people call it that, but that would exclude serving video without enclosures, right? > >> we are not putting video on ipods >> No. > > Will we? What about other things that play video and MP3s? > > Assuming Apple comes out with one I will. Yes other things play videos too. >> we are putting video in blogs. >> Some people are, some people are not. > > What about device-to-device vlogging? Are we allowed do that? > > Are you asking? > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
I don't mean to sound TOO snarky, but should we just call off any and all efforts to do anything with portable video, including but not limited to phones, PSPs, and other disconnected devices? It sounds like we're trying to force people-made media into a very very tiny box. Blog- only, or no vlog for you! And to ask questions further: > we are not adding video to podcasts Are we enclosure-casting video? > we are not putting video on ipods Will we? What about other things that play video and MP3s? > we are putting video in blogs. What about device-to-device vlogging? Are we allowed do that? :-) ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i certainly dont > like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one-part of the big > scheme of things anyways. > i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point I agree-- It is a lame term, and it splattered everywhere and stuck. *hard*. I guarantee that the second the media gets hold of it, they'll do the easy and the natural, and the learning curve is chopped to shit, because half of the phrase is known. More than likely I think we'll see that the terms get used interchangeably. I'm compltely arbitrary when I use video podcast vs videoblog. If I'm talking to consumers, I use VP. If I'm talkin to youse guys, it's vb (or if I'm lazy, it's vlog.) At least that's how my head works. Heh. ER Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
I think it's important to separate actual technology from content and interaction. Blogs, podcasts, and videoblogs triumph on the technology of subscription delivery: RSS et al. Audio and video (and any other media file for that matter) can be automatically downloaded via this technology. Completely agnostic to content, file is file is file. Blogs can be a communication 'platform'... for both audio and video and pdfs and jpgs... (I can start podcasting JPGs to be a smart ass, and you can certainly tell me I'm a smart ass in my blog comments, like you can with audio or video. What we're faced with is -blogging as a suffix and -casting as a suffix. The term -casting is technical; -blogging is social. Part of me wonders if we're all making Microsoft's point by walking so dangerously close to their desired term of 'blogcasting' "Casting" wasn't in my daily vocabulary when I birthed the domain Audioblog.com in 2001. In a way, that sucks, because the word "Audioblog" sounds real out of place right now. In theory, I don't' even like any of the terms-- I focus on the notion of show and brand. Something I produce will still be an Eric Rice Production no matter if it's a videoblog video podcast audioblog audio podcast broadcast narrowcast mobilecast xmradiocast blogged printed purchased dvd'd. Seriously, I'll go with the populist view. If I have to spend three times as long explaining a harder term when I could be taking the populist angle and getting three times the number of people to 'getting it', okay, I'll take that. If Apple wants to bust out with a term like video podcast, then thank you Cupertino for doing our marketing for the go-make-media revolution. Steal the term and use it like it's ours. It's inside our little echo chamber of tech early adopterism when nomenclature becomes religious. We think of *ourselves* and not the people watching or listening. Question: What do you tell someone who Does Not Want to subscribe to RSS and participate in the comments, but certainly wants to watch you make stuff? Would you correct a viewer if they use the wrong term? Are they unwelcome? Would you refuse their attention? Or money? Which battle are we fighting anyway? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2005, at 8:37 PM, Eric Rice wrote: > > > Heh, I lost this battle at Audioblog... > > > # Video podcasting is different than videoblogging. Podcasting does > not have the blog part. Some podcasters attempt to work this avenue, > but podcasting as a medium generally ignores metadata, hyperlinks, > and general blog mentality. Podcasters will try and argue this. Yet > look no further than iTunes which has zero blog-like features. Also, > people who call themselves or identify with "video podcaster", > obviously come out of a certain angle that is specific to the home > radio mentality, a product specific term which defines a limited time > period (i.e. ipodcasting, etc, will eventually become nostalgic and > exclusive). > > # The word videoblog will always prevail when referring to one type > of video over IP. It has certain characteristics which make it what > it is. As long as there is blog, there will be a videoblog too. A > short LCD (lowest common denominator) video show over IP on a major > network like NBC, for instance, will not be called a videoblog, but > called something else (it wont be called video podcasting either) and > if they decide to create a behind the scenes look of the show, > perhaps THAT will be a videoblog. > > # IPTV seems to be gaining as a genus term for all of the different > species. > > > > > > Terminology isn't important. Action is. > > > > Terminology is VERY important too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
OK you convinced me. I am a Mediacaster. Transmitting for download Audio, Video and PDFs. Thanks Michael. -- Taylor Barcroft New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Mediacaster Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley URL http://FutureMedia.org RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 barcroft (gizmo) kungax (Skype) kungag5 (iChat-AIM) On Sep 15, 2005, at 9:49 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: > then their is my view on bloggers who mix different media formats > in one channel. one day they will do audio, another day they do a > video, and its all meshed in one single feed. > i suggest these be seperated by either blog categories or smart > dynamic RSS feeds that can filter media types, but some inevitably > will not care to do this. > so now what? another hybrid term? mediacasts? This is when i > feel that neither an audio centric nor video centric term is the > most ideal. In fact, it may add to the strange schism of video and > audio communities. But, its prob too late to do anything about > that. Its sort of like political parties sometimes Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
this topic is like the cancer of this group... so funny. it comes and goes and eats away at us. i've made so many posts about it. for my own pleasure, and because i am drunk and bored, i will regurgitate for my virtual friends. my main point has always been that we and all should stay clear of any term that embeds or even hints at an actual product and company. podcast, without a doubt, is derived from iPods and i believe coined by whats his name that conjured it up and adam curry put wheels on it. it sucks. sorry eric. it sucks. i dont like it for audio, i certainly dont like it for video. an iPod and any mobile device is only one-part of the big scheme of things anyways. i wont dare suggest a new word for audiocasts at this point (oops, i think i just did), but here is the way it plays out in my hyper-articulated opinion: audioblogs can generate podcasts (audiocasts) videoblogs can generate vodcasts (videocasts) though, neither blog types are required to syndicate with media equipped RSS feeds (RSS 2.0 w/enclosures or mediaRSS or iTunes spec or XSPF etc) its the BLOG+XML that allow for this particular common method of distributing media content over the Internet. its not the only method, but its the most practical at this point for bloggers and will continute to be so. vodcasts. yes. as in VideoOnDemand. Its a term that has been around for a long time now. joining VOD with CAST represents several things- VIDEO, DOWNLOAD, SYNDICATION, DISTRIBUTION, PUSH, PULL, SUBSCRIBE, CHANNEL. These are all related to what publishers and audience do at various points of media ingestion. it also rhymes with podcasts so its easy to remember and correlate. it is the extension of a videoblog that makes it into a digital media channel that people can subscribe to. my second accepted term is videocasts, so i can better argue that podcasts be called audiocasts ;-) then their is my view on bloggers who mix different media formats in one channel. one day they will do audio, another day they do a video, and its all meshed in one single feed. i suggest these be seperated by either blog categories or smart dynamic RSS feeds that can filter media types, but some inevitably will not care to do this. so now what? another hybrid term? mediacasts? This is when i feel that neither an audio centric nor video centric term is the most ideal. In fact, it may add to the strange schism of video and audio communities. But, its prob too late to do anything about that. Its sort of like political parties sometimes ;-) Oh and IPTV, though relevent, is typically used to describe specialized IP Networks that are not dependent on the Internet, but can be incorporated. Its usually a term for the mammoth corporations building new infrastructure for digital content distribution. g;night sull On 9/16/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 15, 2005, at 8:37 PM, Eric Rice wrote:> Heh, I lost this battle at Audioblog...# Video podcasting is different than videoblogging. Podcasting doesnot have the blog part. Some podcasters attempt to work this avenue, but podcasting as a medium generally ignores metadata, hyperlinks,and general blog mentality. Podcasters will try and argue this. Yetlook no further than iTunes which has zero blog-like features. Also,people who call themselves or identify with "video podcaster", obviously come out of a certain angle that is specific to the homeradio mentality, a product specific term which defines a limited timeperiod (i.e. ipodcasting, etc, will eventually become nostalgic andexclusive). # The word videoblog will always prevail when referring to one typeof video over IP. It has certain characteristics which make it whatit is. As long as there is blog, there will be a videoblog too. Ashort LCD (lowest common denominator) video show over IP on a major network like NBC, for instance, will not be called a videoblog, butcalled something else (it wont be called video podcasting either) andif they decide to create a behind the scenes look of the show,perhaps THAT will be a videoblog. # IPTV seems to be gaining as a genus term for all of the differentspecies.>> Terminology isn't important. Action is.>Terminology is VERY important too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~->Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
On Sep 15, 2005, at 8:37 PM, Eric Rice wrote: > Heh, I lost this battle at Audioblog... # Video podcasting is different than videoblogging. Podcasting does not have the blog part. Some podcasters attempt to work this avenue, but podcasting as a medium generally ignores metadata, hyperlinks, and general blog mentality. Podcasters will try and argue this. Yet look no further than iTunes which has zero blog-like features. Also, people who call themselves or identify with "video podcaster", obviously come out of a certain angle that is specific to the home radio mentality, a product specific term which defines a limited time period (i.e. ipodcasting, etc, will eventually become nostalgic and exclusive). # The word videoblog will always prevail when referring to one type of video over IP. It has certain characteristics which make it what it is. As long as there is blog, there will be a videoblog too. A short LCD (lowest common denominator) video show over IP on a major network like NBC, for instance, will not be called a videoblog, but called something else (it wont be called video podcasting either) and if they decide to create a behind the scenes look of the show, perhaps THAT will be a videoblog. # IPTV seems to be gaining as a genus term for all of the different species. > > Terminology isn't important. Action is. > Terminology is VERY important too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Hello I'm new to vlogging. What are the other terms used? Ionia http://www.exploreventura.com/blog/blogger.html email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > < http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/09/15/1821228.shtml? > tid=176&tid=95&tid=3 > > > Will we be stuck with the term video podcasting? God I hope not. Of > all of the terms I've heard for videoblogging, this is the most > cringe worthy in my book. > > -- > Verdi > http://michaelverdi.com/ > > http://freevlog.org/ > > http://node101.org/ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Heh, I lost this battle at Audioblog... (we're a democracy, not a benevolent dictatorship. heh)... 'Video podcast' drove me bonkers, I still use videoblog, and 'vlog' is my slang for those in familiar company. While I argued that 'podcast' is technically understood to be audio, the point of adding 'video' as a prefix would be pretty clear for those familiar with podcasting. I can't disagree with that. Wild gues what a *video* podcast contains? ...video! (Hate to say, but that there's no 'video' in 'vlog'... The bonus? Every person who is making media called podcasts can suddenly switch gears and consider video,In an instant. I'll take that. Terminology isn't important. Action is. Eric http://ericrice.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > < http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/09/15/1821228.shtml? > tid=176&tid=95&tid=3 > > > Will we be stuck with the term video podcasting? God I hope not. Of > all of the terms I've heard for videoblogging, this is the most > cringe worthy in my book. > > -- > Verdi > http://michaelverdi.com/ > > http://freevlog.org/ > > http://node101.org/ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Podcasting? wtf :(
Most people don't even know what a podcast is it's a toss up. jad madpod.com (podcast) dummycast.com (video podcast :)) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > < http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/09/15/1821228.shtml? > tid=176&tid=95&tid=3 > > > Will we be stuck with the term video podcasting? God I hope not. Of > all of the terms I've heard for videoblogging, this is the most > cringe worthy in my book. > > -- > Verdi > http://michaelverdi.com/ > > http://freevlog.org/ > > http://node101.org/ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
