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May 21, 2020
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RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It doesn't really have to be, it's not meant to be as much an app you use all 
the time but an app which keeps track of where you have been and with whom you 
have had close contact.
This way if somebody who uses the app also is found to have COVID-19, health 
authorities can check his phone and, if you had contact, reach out to alert you 
and potentially ask you to also get tested or self-isolate for 2 weeks.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 8:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

I wonder if this app will be accessible? From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: May 22, 2020 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

Ottawa says they will have more to say about an app soon, the hope is that 
while Alberta has already started using an app, all of Canada would use the 
same app in order to make it as effective as it can be.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

Hi Jumpig in on this thred. I live in Ontario and did what you said and was 
told that it was not avlaible in my region. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: May 21, 2020 11:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

It's not in the Health app.
Go into Settings and search for COVID and you'll find it, it's under Privacy > 
Health However, turning this on in itself does nothing, You would also need an 
app promoted by your government which actually stores data about where you have 
been and with whom else you came into close contact who also has this 
technology.
Theoretically if a person tests positive for COVID-19 and has the app, 
authorities  an then check that person's app to see with whom they have come 
into contact with and these people can then be notified and potentially will be 
required to self-isolate for 14 days to make sure they did not get infected.
The issue with all of this is that you ideally need a single app for all of 
Canada or at least for your province and that at least 60% to 80% of all people 
would have to use said app for it to be really effective. This is very new 
technology, it's not at all proven how effective this could be and nobody in a 
country like Canada, the US or most European countries would put up with being 
forced to use it.
I think you are also in Canada and, in particular, in British Columbia, aren't 
you? If so I wouldn't be too worried anyways, we are extremely lucky to be in a 
province which did a lot of stuff right. Currently there are only just over 300 
people of the just under 2,500 who tested positive who have not yet recovered 
and given our population of 5 Million that is not so bad and with basic common 
sense, physical distancing and hand hygiene chance for you to pick up COVID-19 
are pretty small.

Best regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:39 PM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Covid and ios 13.5?

Hi all.
I looked in the health app but found nothing about Covid 19. Where do I find 
this setting? 
Thanks.
Jen


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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody should 
write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:



 
BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 
2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned 
people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to 
do so and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
 
So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO 
report it now and let’s say every week again and again!
 
Davy 
 
From: Lynn White   
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
lost focus issue?
 
Hi Allen, 
 
This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there 
is an update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of 
ways other than children of God.
 
I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta 
tester which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
 
And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and 
courteously until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 
comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



 
Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent 
them an e-mail.
 
Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write 
accessibil...@apple.com  

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a 
window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and 
native Mail app lost focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group 
about this but didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for 
that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  
Write to Apple accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

  

RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

[Mich Verrier]

I wonder if this app will be accessible? From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: May 22, 2020 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

Ottawa says they will have more to say about an app soon, the hope is that 
while Alberta has already started using an app, all of Canada would use the 
same app in order to make it as effective as it can be.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

Hi Jumpig in on this thred. I live in Ontario and did what you said and was 
told that it was not avlaible in my region. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: May 21, 2020 11:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

It's not in the Health app.
Go into Settings and search for COVID and you'll find it, it's under Privacy > 
Health However, turning this on in itself does nothing, You would also need an 
app promoted by your government which actually stores data about where you have 
been and with whom else you came into close contact who also has this 
technology.
Theoretically if a person tests positive for COVID-19 and has the app, 
authorities  an then check that person's app to see with whom they have come 
into contact with and these people can then be notified and potentially will be 
required to self-isolate for 14 days to make sure they did not get infected.
The issue with all of this is that you ideally need a single app for all of 
Canada or at least for your province and that at least 60% to 80% of all people 
would have to use said app for it to be really effective. This is very new 
technology, it's not at all proven how effective this could be and nobody in a 
country like Canada, the US or most European countries would put up with being 
forced to use it.
I think you are also in Canada and, in particular, in British Columbia, aren't 
you? If so I wouldn't be too worried anyways, we are extremely lucky to be in a 
province which did a lot of stuff right. Currently there are only just over 300 
people of the just under 2,500 who tested positive who have not yet recovered 
and given our population of 5 Million that is not so bad and with basic common 
sense, physical distancing and hand hygiene chance for you to pick up COVID-19 
are pretty small.

Best regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:39 PM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Covid and ios 13.5?

Hi all.
I looked in the health app but found nothing about Covid 19. Where do I find 
this setting? 
Thanks.
Jen


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RE: wish list in the audible app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Today's Audible update finally changed the experience for me here in Canada and 
it now behaves like you all described with the new library look, having the 
remove option as part of an action menu etc.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: wish list in the audible app

I thought it was just romance. Also yeah it's pretty accessible. I remember had 
onetime having issues with the achievements. Also I wish deleting was setup 
differently. Also I notice the app does look a little different these days. You 
know I am thinking that scrolling issue is more of an apple thing.

On 5/21/20, Robin  wrote:
>  From MyReSearch of Audible's AudibleEscape,  it isn't Limited  to 
> only RomanceBooks I  Believe There  are Books  in  Thriller, 
> Documentaries,  etc etc At 08:20 AM 5/21/2020, you wrote:
>>hi,
>>
>>audable escape is a book   program that  allows
>>unlimited listening  (you check out/in
>>books)  So you dont' keep them but, I think it's extreamly limited to 
>>the romance books.  From what I've looked at.
>>
>>B. J. Maynard
>>- Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:16 AM
>>Subject: RE: wish list in the audible app
>>
>>
>>I assume whatever Audible Escape is, is currently not available in 
>>Canada, but could somebody enlighten me as to what it is?
>>Also, Len, could you specifically point out a few of the issues you 
>>have with the app?
>>Apart from a few things I'd like the app to do I find it fully 
>>accessible and it works very well.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:01 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: wish list in the audible app
>>
>>Also I am not an audible escape member and I still have issues with 
>>the  thing.
>>
>>On 5/21/20, lenron brown  wrote:
>>>Yes it works better from the pc but I really think audible could do 
>>>better and they should totally get this app some love.
>>>
>>>On 5/15/20, Barbara Stahl  wrote:
So I tried swiping to the end of the from your wish list heading and 
there was an unmarked button right before the next heading. I double 
tapped it and more of my wish list appeared. However, as I scrolled 
through it it kept sort of reading in circles, it kept going back 
over titles it had already read then going forward a bit and then 
doing the same thing.
Personally I think I will stick to accessing my wish list from the 
computer, it works much better.
Jennnie, if you only have two or so titles in your wish list, there 
will likely not be a more button at all, because the suggestions 
from your wish list heading will likely include all of the titles in 
your wish list.


>On May 15, 2020, at 9:38 PM, Jennie Facer 
>wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I am on my home tab and going through headings does nothing. I find 
>no text that says see more or anything like that between best 
>sellers and new releases. Not sure what else to look for I only 
>have like 2 books in my wish list.
>
>Jenn
>
>Jenn and Kumi
>
>>On May 15, 2020, at 8:03 AM, B. J. Maynard 
>>wrote:
>>
>>hi,
>>
>>I'm not sure why you all are having trouble. I am on the latest 
>>update of the audable ap.  I just looked and 'From your wishlist'
>>is a heading.
>>if
>>your wish list is long and you get to the next heading (best
>>sellers) at the moment if your swipe left from that heading you'll 
>>see an unlabeled button that says possable text then it says see 
>>more.  If you let it continue. .  if you double tap that you'll 
>>see your entire wishlist.
>>As
>>I've said in previous email.  Maybe this behavior you barbra see 
>>as well as the other person  might have to do with  being an 
>>audable escape member which I am not.
>>
>>Maybe others that are subscribed to audable escape can chime in.
>>
>>B. J. Maynard
>>- Original Message - From: "Barbara Stahl"
>>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:26 PM
>>Subject: Re: wish list in the audible app
>>
>>
>>What do you mean by the broken return button?  Doesn't it work any 
>>more?
>>Also, I selected the home tab and scrolled all the way to the 
>>bottom, and I did not see a wish list heading. All I found were 
>>suggestions from my wish list, not the whole thing.  So where is 
>>this phantum wish list in the audible app?
>>Finally, even if you have had a book for over a year you still 
>>likely can return it by contacting audible by phone.
>>I did this last year. I read a book I had purchased more than a 
>>year before and I absolutely hated it. I gave it a bad review and 
>>I got an email telling me that I could 

RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Ottawa says they will have more to say about an app soon, the hope is that 
while Alberta has already started using an app, all of Canada would use the 
same app in order to make it as effective as it can be.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

Hi Jumpig in on this thred. I live in Ontario and did what you said and was 
told that it was not avlaible in my region. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: May 21, 2020 11:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

It's not in the Health app.
Go into Settings and search for COVID and you'll find it, it's under Privacy > 
Health However, turning this on in itself does nothing, You would also need an 
app promoted by your government which actually stores data about where you have 
been and with whom else you came into close contact who also has this 
technology.
Theoretically if a person tests positive for COVID-19 and has the app, 
authorities  an then check that person's app to see with whom they have come 
into contact with and these people can then be notified and potentially will be 
required to self-isolate for 14 days to make sure they did not get infected.
The issue with all of this is that you ideally need a single app for all of 
Canada or at least for your province and that at least 60% to 80% of all people 
would have to use said app for it to be really effective. This is very new 
technology, it's not at all proven how effective this could be and nobody in a 
country like Canada, the US or most European countries would put up with being 
forced to use it.
I think you are also in Canada and, in particular, in British Columbia, aren't 
you? If so I wouldn't be too worried anyways, we are extremely lucky to be in a 
province which did a lot of stuff right. Currently there are only just over 300 
people of the just under 2,500 who tested positive who have not yet recovered 
and given our population of 5 Million that is not so bad and with basic common 
sense, physical distancing and hand hygiene chance for you to pick up COVID-19 
are pretty small.

Best regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:39 PM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Covid and ios 13.5?

Hi all.
I looked in the health app but found nothing about Covid 19. Where do I find 
this setting? 
Thanks.
Jen


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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Christopher,

 

I'm also liking what I'm experiencing with the Outlook app. I'll know more 
tomorrow when I process my first batch of new Inbox messages on the iPhone 
using Outlook.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

I’m pretty happy with the Outlook app, but I’m still trying to get the hang od 
dealing with specific messages within a thread, but this is also the current 
issue with the native mail app, so I’m still using the Outlook app right now as 
my primary email app. I’m just not using my iPhone for email as much right now, 
since I’m not traveling and my PC is always so close. Because of this, I’m just 
not putting the Outlook app through it’s paces.

 

--

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

[Marie]

Check to see if automatic updates is on. Sometimes these settings just get 
changed when the IOS updates are installed.

From: Mike B. 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:37 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

Hi All,

With my new SE 2020 I noticed that when there's available updates voiceover is 
not reporting there are updates when I touch the App Store icon on the Home 
Screen.  I have the App store turned on in Notifications and in Siri 
suggestions.  What am I missing?  How do I get Voiceover to report when there 
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RE: Door dash

[sarai.bucciarelli]

There is no add to cart. You add to order. Then orders I believe in on bottom 
left. Double tap that and you can then check out. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lois 
Butterfield
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Door dash

So, I opened the app and went to the restaurant I wanted. I found the food, and 
there was an add to order button on the bottom right. There was no add to cart 
or any cart that I saw. If I went back, it just took me out from the restaurant 
I wanted. My husband didn’t see anything helpful either. I just don’t know what 
I’m missing.

I hate to ask for step-by-step instructions, but I think that’s what I need.

Thanks,
Lois

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 7:41 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
> 
> Once I add all I want to the cart, there is a button at the bottom of the 
> page with the name of the restaurant and how many items I have added to the 
> cart. I just tap there to continue to check out.
> 
> -Original Message- From: John Panarese
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM
> To: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone
> Subject: Re: Door dash
> 
> It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get to 
> a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
>> but I couldn’t figure it out today.
>> 
>> I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order 
>> placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.
>> 
>> Thanks for any ideas.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Lois
>> 
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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[chaltain]

I’m pretty happy with the Outlook app, but I’m still trying to get the hang od 
dealing with specific messages within a thread, but this is also the current 
issue with the native mail app, so I’m still using the Outlook app right now as 
my primary email app. I’m just not using my iPhone for email as much right now, 
since I’m not traveling and my PC is always so close. Because of this, I’m just 
not putting the Outlook app through it’s paces.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com 
 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

[Mike B.]

I went into the iTunes & App Store settings on my old SE phone and changed 
the settings on the new SE 2020 phone to match.  Under the heading, 
automatic downloads I now have Music, Apps and App updates set to, Off. 
Under the cellular data heading, I now have automatic downloads turned, On, 
for downloading apps using cellular data I have set to, always ask, and the 
Video autoplay is set to, Off.  Hopefully the couple of changes I made was 
the problem for app updates not being reported by Voiceover.  Thank you very 
much for your input.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: l.d.ethie...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available


Hello,
Maybe your update turned off since last IOS update...
Go to settings/your name/iTune store and appstore/update and see if it's 
selected or not


Lyne


  Le 22 mai 2020 à 21:37, Mike B.  a écrit :


  
  Hi All,

  With my new SE 2020 I noticed that when there's available updates 
voiceover is not reporting there are updates when I touch the App Store icon 
on the Home Screen.  I have the App store turned on in Notifications and in 
Siri suggestions.  What am I missing?  How do I get Voiceover to report when 
there are available updates?  Thanks mooy moocho.

  Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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Re: recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

[l . d . ethier23]

It's and application who give the possibility to share your screan and sound of 
your iPhone to your PC. It's only 7$ Ca for full version.

https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/mirror-to-mac-or-windows-pc/id1350663974?l=fr

Lyne

> Le 22 mai 2020 à 21:18, Richard Turner  a écrit :
> 
>  What is Mirror Mac?
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 4:49 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> You can use miror mac to pc from your iPhone.
>> 
>> Lyne
>> 
 Le 22 mai 2020 à 18:46, Anna Dresner  a écrit :
>>> 
>>> Hello Curtis,
>>> 
>>> If you have access to a Mac, you can have it convert to audio using the 
>>> voice you choose. If not, I think all you can do is connect your phone to 
>>> your computer with a patch cord and record it that way.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Curtis Delzer  wrote:
 
 How would you do it? Is there any other way than direct audio connecting? 
 I got a serious request to record Alex reading Michael's book, and as most 
 of you know he is a high quality voice from IOS and Apple. I have to 
 record it on the computer because it is the only way to make my DAISY 
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Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

[l . d . ethier23]

Hello,
Maybe your update turned off since last IOS update...
Go to settings/your name/iTune store and appstore/update and see if it's 
selected or not

Lyne

> Le 22 mai 2020 à 21:37, Mike B.  a écrit :
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> 
> Hi All,
>  
> With my new SE 2020 I noticed that when there's available updates voiceover 
> is not reporting there are updates when I touch the App Store icon on the 
> Home Screen.  I have the App store turned on in Notifications and in Siri 
> suggestions.  What am I missing?  How do I get Voiceover to report when there 
> are available updates?  Thanks mooy moocho.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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App Store Not Saying Updates Available

[Mike B.]

Hi All,

With my new SE 2020 I noticed that when there's available updates voiceover 
is not reporting there are updates when I touch the App Store icon on the 
Home Screen.  I have the App store turned on in Notifications and in Siri 
suggestions.  What am I missing?  How do I get Voiceover to report when 
there are available updates?  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
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Re: Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

[Deb Cook Lewis]

Depending on how the host creates the breakout rooms will determine
whether or not you have to do anything. But the doing is minimal
regardless.
On your other problem, go into the Zoom settings and turn off the
audio indication and also displaying when people come. My Iphone is
completely silent during zoom meetings without turning off speech or
leaving the zoom window. This is all controlled in Zoom settings.
Finally, in windows I really do recommend bryan Hartgen's scripts
which shut it all up. But again, actually configuring the client is
your friend because zoom gives you a lot of control.


On 5/22/20, Mary Otten  wrote:
> OK. Thanks for the responses. I guess I will just see how it goes.
> MaryOK. Thanks for the responses. I guess I will just see how it goes.
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>>
>> Mary,
>> Speaking generally, only the meeting's host can manage and assign
>> people to break out rooms. If you are a co-host, you do not have the
>> ability. I have been using Zoom a lot for work, and this week we've
>> been doing a lot of the break out rooms. I haven't done it on the
>> iPhone, and probably won't since I usually Zoom when at work. I would
>> assume it works much the same way on iOS that it does on the computer.
>> All of this is mute unless you are the host though. If you are
>> attending a meeting and will be assigned to a break out room, there's
>> nothing you have to do other than show up at the appointed time. The
>> host handles everything else.
>>
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>>
>>> On 5/22/20, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> My zoom experience has been quite limited. I get a link in an email,
>>> double
>>> tap on it, and get into the zoom meeting. And I turn speech off, so I
>>> don’t
>>> hear voice over chattering about who joined, left, and what they’re
>>> typing
>>> into the chat box. That’s all very nice, as long as there is basically
>>> somebody lecturing, and then perhaps people asking questions one at a
>>> time
>>> that get answered. But I am supposed to be part of a zoom meeting in a
>>> few
>>> days which will include getting into breakout rooms. How do you do that
>>> on
>>> an iPhone with voiceover?
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
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Re: Door dash

[Andy Baracco]

You shouldn't have to.  I only signed in once when I set up the account.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Kathy Brandt" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Door dash


Asking again: does anyone have to sign in each time they open the app? 
Friends of mine don’t have to, and I can’t figure out why they don’t have to 
when I do.


Thank you.


On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:


Hi all,

Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
but I couldn’t figure it out today.


I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the 
order placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.


Thanks for any ideas.

Take care,
Lois

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Re: Door dash

[Kathy Brandt]

I discovered that when I can’t immediately find the cart, that if I start on 
the lower right hand corner and flip backwards, I come across what I think says 
card info, that you double tap on, flick through, and then you can check out. 
I’d have to set up a fake order in order to tell you exactly what to do, but 
the first part is certain.



> On May 22, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> So, I opened the app and went to the restaurant I wanted. I found the food, 
> and there was an add to order button on the bottom right. There was no add to 
> cart or any cart that I saw. If I went back, it just took me out from the 
> restaurant I wanted. My husband didn’t see anything helpful either. I just 
> don’t know what I’m missing.
> 
> I hate to ask for step-by-step instructions, but I think that’s what I need.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lois
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 7:41 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
>> 
>> Once I add all I want to the cart, there is a button at the bottom of the 
>> page with the name of the restaurant and how many items I have added to the 
>> cart. I just tap there to continue to check out.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: John Panarese
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM
>> To: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone
>> Subject: Re: Door dash
>> 
>> It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get 
>> to a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> Mac for the Blind
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>> 
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
>>> but I couldn’t figure it out today.
>>> 
>>> I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the 
>>> order placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any ideas.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Lois
>>> 
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Re: Door dash

[John Panarese]

   I don’t have to. It signs me in each time. 

Take Care

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> On May 22, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> Asking again: does anyone have to sign in each time they open the app? 
> Friends of mine don’t have to, and I can’t figure out why they don’t have to 
> when I do.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
>> but I couldn’t figure it out today.
>> 
>> I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order 
>> placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.
>> 
>> Thanks for any ideas.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Lois
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Door dash

[Kathy Brandt]

Asking again: does anyone have to sign in each time they open the app? Friends 
of mine don’t have to, and I can’t figure out why they don’t have to when I do.

Thank you.


> On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, but 
> I couldn’t figure it out today.
> 
> I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order 
> placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.
> 
> Thanks for any ideas.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

[Richard Turner]

What is Mirror Mac?


Richard
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just stops you from enjoying the good."

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On May 22, 2020, at 4:49 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com"  
wrote:

You can use miror mac to pc from your iPhone.

Lyne

Le 22 mai 2020 à 18:46, Anna Dresner  a écrit :

Hello Curtis,

If you have access to a Mac, you can have it convert to audio using the voice 
you choose. If not, I think all you can do is connect your phone to your 
computer with a patch cord and record it that way.

Best,
Anna


On May 22, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Curtis Delzer  wrote:

How would you do it? Is there any other way than direct audio connecting? I got 
a serious request to record Alex reading Michael's book, and as most of you 
know he is a high quality voice from IOS and Apple. I have to record it on the 
computer because it is the only way to make my DAISY marked up text.
THANKS!
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Re: Door dash

[Lois Butterfield]

OK, I figured it out. It is the restaurant that is acting differently. 
Apparently, it’s no longer part of it or something. Glad there’s nothing wrong 
with the app, because I liked it. Thanks all for your responses.

Take care,
Lois

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:29 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get 
> to a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
>> but I couldn’t figure it out today.
>> 
>> I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order 
>> placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.
>> 
>> Thanks for any ideas.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Lois
>> 
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Re: Door dash

[MamaPeach]

I meant add to order, not add to cart.

-Original Message- 
From: John Panarese

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Door dash

There wouldn’t be an add to cart. You add to order and then it will verify 
your total order. There will eventually be a screen that will enable you to 
place the order. I just did this with a local pizza place and ordered three 
meals for my family.



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On May 22, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:


So, I opened the app and went to the restaurant I wanted. I found the 
food, and there was an add to order button on the bottom right. There was 
no add to cart or any cart that I saw. If I went back, it just took me out 
from the restaurant I wanted. My husband didn’t see anything helpful 
either. I just don’t know what I’m missing.


I hate to ask for step-by-step instructions, but I think that’s what I 
need.


Thanks,
Lois

Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 7:41 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:

Once I add all I want to the cart, there is a button at the bottom of 
the page with the name of the restaurant and how many items I have added 
to the cart. I just tap there to continue to check out.


-Original Message- From: John Panarese
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM
To: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: Door dash

It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should 
get to a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.



Take Care

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On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield 
 wrote:


Hi all,

Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without 
problems, but I couldn’t figure it out today.


I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the 
order placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner 
tomorrow.


Thanks for any ideas.

Take care,
Lois

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Re: Door dash

[John Panarese]

 There wouldn’t be an add to cart. You add to order and then it will verify 
your total order. There will eventually be a screen that will enable you to 
place the order. I just did this with a local pizza place and ordered three 
meals for my family.


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> On May 22, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Lois Butterfield  
> wrote:
> 
> So, I opened the app and went to the restaurant I wanted. I found the food, 
> and there was an add to order button on the bottom right. There was no add to 
> cart or any cart that I saw. If I went back, it just took me out from the 
> restaurant I wanted. My husband didn’t see anything helpful either. I just 
> don’t know what I’m missing.
> 
> I hate to ask for step-by-step instructions, but I think that’s what I need.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lois
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 7:41 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
>> 
>> Once I add all I want to the cart, there is a button at the bottom of the 
>> page with the name of the restaurant and how many items I have added to the 
>> cart. I just tap there to continue to check out.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: John Panarese
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM
>> To: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone
>> Subject: Re: Door dash
>> 
>> It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get 
>> to a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
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>> 
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
>>> but I couldn’t figure it out today.
>>> 
>>> I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the 
>>> order placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any ideas.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Lois
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Door dash

[Lois Butterfield]

So, I opened the app and went to the restaurant I wanted. I found the food, and 
there was an add to order button on the bottom right. There was no add to cart 
or any cart that I saw. If I went back, it just took me out from the restaurant 
I wanted. My husband didn’t see anything helpful either. I just don’t know what 
I’m missing.

I hate to ask for step-by-step instructions, but I think that’s what I need.

Thanks,
Lois

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 7:41 PM, MamaPeach  wrote:
> 
> Once I add all I want to the cart, there is a button at the bottom of the 
> page with the name of the restaurant and how many items I have added to the 
> cart. I just tap there to continue to check out.
> 
> -Original Message- From: John Panarese
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM
> To: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone
> Subject: Re: Door dash
> 
> It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get to 
> a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
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>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
>> but I couldn’t figure it out today.
>> 
>> I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order 
>> placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.
>> 
>> Thanks for any ideas.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Lois
>> 
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Re: recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

[l . d . ethier23]

You can use miror mac to pc from your iPhone.

Lyne

> Le 22 mai 2020 à 18:46, Anna Dresner  a écrit :
> 
> Hello Curtis,
> 
> If you have access to a Mac, you can have it convert to audio using the voice 
> you choose. If not, I think all you can do is connect your phone to your 
> computer with a patch cord and record it that way.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Curtis Delzer  wrote:
>> 
>> How would you do it? Is there any other way than direct audio connecting? I 
>> got a serious request to record Alex reading Michael's book, and as most of 
>> you know he is a high quality voice from IOS and Apple. I have to record it 
>> on the computer because it is the only way to make my DAISY marked up text.
>> THANKS!
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Re: Door dash

[MamaPeach]

Once I add all I want to the cart, there is a button at the bottom of the 
page with the name of the restaurant and how many items I have added to the 
cart. I just tap there to continue to check out.


-Original Message- 
From: John Panarese

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM
To: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: Door dash

 It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get 
to a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.



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On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
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Hi all,

Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
but I couldn’t figure it out today.


I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the 
order placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.


Thanks for any ideas.

Take care,
Lois

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Alan,

Well, I’ve had no focus issues which is the reason I’m using Outlook at this 
point. I’d like to mail app but I really have grown very tired of the focus 
issues that have lasted for several months. I hope it works out for you when 
you try it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 5:26:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?


Hi Les,



Thanks for the Outlook suggestion. I'm trying it now and it seems to be working 
very well. I just have to get used to its differing terminology. I like that 
the native Mail app references All mail when you want to see everything and 
Outlook uses Archive for its terminology the best I can tell. I'll know better 
how I like it when I try it first thing in the morning to review the messages 
in my Inbox to see how it handles focus.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Hi Alan,



Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved



Get Outlook for iOS



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Alan 
Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Christopher,



I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.



Alan



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Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail



From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.



So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?



Thanks for any direction.



Kim







On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.



Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.



Thanks in advance for your comments.



Alan Lemly

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Re: Door dash

[MamaPeach]

I used it earlier today to order breakfast from Hardee's. I had no trouble 
with it.


-Original Message- 
From: Lois Butterfield

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Door dash

Hi all,

Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
but I couldn’t figure it out today.


I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order 
placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.


Thanks for any ideas.

Take care,
Lois

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Re: recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

[Anna Dresner]

Hello Curtis,

If you have access to a Mac, you can have it convert to audio using the voice 
you choose. If not, I think all you can do is connect your phone to your 
computer with a patch cord and record it that way.

Best,
Anna


> On May 22, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Curtis Delzer  wrote:
> 
> How would you do it? Is there any other way than direct audio connecting? I 
> got a serious request to record Alex reading Michael's book, and as most of 
> you know he is a high quality voice from IOS and Apple. I have to record it 
> on the computer because it is the only way to make my DAISY marked up text.
> THANKS!
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Re: Door dash

[Andy Baracco]

I use it often but I haven't used it today.  There are usually no issues as 
far as accessibility is concerned. It is by far the easiest of any of them 
to use.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "John Panarese" 

To: "'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone" 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Door dash


 It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get 
to a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.



Take Care

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On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
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Hi all,

Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, 
but I couldn’t figure it out today.


I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the 
order placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.


Thanks for any ideas.

Take care,
Lois

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Re: Door dash

[John Panarese]

  It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get to 
a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order.


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> On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield  
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> Hi all,
> 
> Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, but 
> I couldn’t figure it out today.
> 
> I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order 
> placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow.
> 
> Thanks for any ideas.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
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Re: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

[Holly]

I understand now.

I am loving my new SE.  Just getting everything fine tuned.

Appreciate all suggestions. 

Thanks, Holly

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Door dash

[Lois Butterfield]

Hi all,

Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, but I 
couldn’t figure it out today.

I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order 
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Re: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

[Richard Turner]

I'm not Alan, but yes if you do not have unlimited data.
If you have unlimited data, it is fine.
If your WiFi signal is weak, if wifi assist is on, it will switch to using 
cellular, and if you happen to be streaming a movie, that can eat a lot of data.
I pay by the gig, so I make sure that is turned off.


Richard
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On May 22, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Holly  wrote:


Alan:

You say ‘wi-fi assist’ should be turned off?

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Re: Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

[Mary Otten]

OK. Thanks for the responses. I guess I will just see how it goes.
MaryOK. Thanks for the responses. I guess I will just see how it goes.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
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> Mary,
> Speaking generally, only the meeting's host can manage and assign
> people to break out rooms. If you are a co-host, you do not have the
> ability. I have been using Zoom a lot for work, and this week we've
> been doing a lot of the break out rooms. I haven't done it on the
> iPhone, and probably won't since I usually Zoom when at work. I would
> assume it works much the same way on iOS that it does on the computer.
> All of this is mute unless you are the host though. If you are
> attending a meeting and will be assigned to a break out room, there's
> nothing you have to do other than show up at the appointed time. The
> host handles everything else.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
>> On 5/22/20, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> My zoom experience has been quite limited. I get a link in an email, double
>> tap on it, and get into the zoom meeting. And I turn speech off, so I don’t
>> hear voice over chattering about who joined, left, and what they’re typing
>> into the chat box. That’s all very nice, as long as there is basically
>> somebody lecturing, and then perhaps people asking questions one at a time
>> that get answered. But I am supposed to be part of a zoom meeting in a few
>> days which will include getting into breakout rooms. How do you do that on
>> an iPhone with voiceover?
>> Mary
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RE: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

[Alan Lemly]

Holly,

 

I say that if you don't have unlimited cellular data and your wifi connection 
isn't always rock solid, you might consider turning off wifi assist in order to 
avoid the surprise of some of your cellular data being used when your wifi 
signal is weak and you might be unaware cellular data is being used.

 

Alan

 

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Holly
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Alan:

 

You say ‘wi-fi assist’ should be turned off?

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Re: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

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Alan:

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Re: Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

[Joy Cyr]

I've attended two meetings  where break out rooms wer eused.  Perhaps it has 
something to do with how the host handles the set up, in one meeting I did 
indeed need to do nothing.  In the other Voice over read out  that I had been 
assigned to  break out room one and had to tap the button to join the room.

I've found that going to the home screen solves the problem of having voice 
over reading incoming messages etc. while allowing me to open   the app 
switcher and return to the Zoom screen quickly if I do need to interact or 
check something.  

I haven't been able to use it on the Mac and after my first experience when I 
was unable to stop the chat feed being read out I must admit I haven't tried 
very hard.

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recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

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book, and as most of you know he is a high quality voice from IOS and 
Apple. I have to record it on the computer because it is the only way to 
make my DAISY marked up text.

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Les,

 

Thanks for the Outlook suggestion. I'm trying it now and it seems to be working 
very well. I just have to get used to its differing terminology. I like that 
the native Mail app references All mail when you want to see everything and 
Outlook uses Archive for its terminology the best I can tell. I'll know better 
how I like it when I try it first thing in the morning to review the messages 
in my Inbox to see how it handles focus.

 

Alan

 

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Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Hi Alan,

 

Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved 

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue? 

 

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

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chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Dennis,

 

I think the main one I recommended checking was Wifi assist because not 
everyone has unlimited cellular data plans and therefore don't want to run the 
risk of using their cellular data when they believe they are only using wifi. 
You can find this under Settings, Cellular, find the heading for Cellular data 
and then swipe way down to Wifi assist which should be near the bottom since 
the list is alphabetized where you can turn this off if desired. Mine was reset 
to on after upgrading to my SE 2020.

 

Alan

 

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Dennis Long
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

 

Alan what settings did you advise you go back and check?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:39 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

 

I am reposting the below at the request of Vivian.

 

Alan

 

Hi List,

 

I decided to make detailed notes of the steps involved in setting up a new 
iPhone mainly for my own benefit since I forget what is involved as I only do 
this every couple of years. In my case, I bought this SE 2020 directly from the 
Apple Store app with no SIM card included since I have a prepaid Verizon plan 
and could not specify my carrier successfully when ordering. The below numbered 
list will be very detailed since I'd rather have too much information than not 
enough. Any settings provided came from my iPhone 8 running iOS 13.4.1.

 

1.  Opened iTunes on my Windows 7 computer, verified I was running its 
latest version of 12.10.6, connected my iPhone 8 using the lightning cable, and 
did an encrypted backup.
2.  Did an iCloud backup by going to Settings - Alan Lemly - Apple ID - 
iCloud - iTunes and App Store, iCloud, iCloud backup, and executing Backup now.
3.  I read a lot of books using the BARD Mobile app and since any books 
downloaded to an iPhone are not transferred to a new restored iPhone, I made a 
list in an Excel file of the downloaded books I wanted to re-download to my new 
iPhone and the location of any current reading position in those books.
4.  I plugged my lightning cable connected to my computer to the new phone 
and the Apple logo appeared on the screen. The white screen appeared a few 
seconds later with the cycling languages appearing and I pressed the home 
button 3 times quickly to turn on Voiceover. Although I was hearing clicks as I 
swiped, Voiceover did not start talking until a number of seconds later. In 
fact, I pressed the home button 3 times again because I wasn't sure I had 
turned Voiceover on. This turned Voiceover off and I had to press the home 
button 3 times again to turn it back on and I heard Voiceover say hello and 
when I swiped once, Voiceover said press home to open.
5.  I pressed home and Voiceover said Setup and put me in a list of 
language buttons with English at the top. I double tapped on English.
6.  The screen which opened said Select your country or region heading. I 
double tapped on the United States button which was the first in the list.
7.  The screen which opened said Quick start heading Bring your current 
iPhone or iPad near this iPhone to sign in and set up. The older iPhone must be 
using iOS 11 or later with Bluetooth turned on. There was a button at the end 
to Set up manually.
8.  A screen opened on my old iPhone to set up a new iPhone using my apple 
ID with a button to continue. A screen appeared to position some pattern in a 
circle but I double tapped the Authenticate manually button instead.
9.  I was prompted to input the 6 digit authentication code displayed on my 
new iPhone using the number pad screen on my old iPhone. My new iPhone then 
prompted me to enter my passcode of my old iPhone. I had to double tap each 
number on the on screen number pad on my new iPhone since touch typing was not 
turned on.
10. I was prompted to set up touch ID on the new iPhone which I did.
11. Several screens were presented asking me to place my finger and lift my 
finger which I did. I was then taken to a screen which said Adjust your grip 
and it said keep going to capture the edges of your grip. I double tapped a 
Continue button at the bottom of this screen.
12. I was then prompted to again place and lift my finger until I got the 
Complete message. Touch ID is ready was spoken and I then executed the Continue 
button at the bottom of that screen.
13. The next screen said Transfer your data heading. The explanation said 
you can directly transfer your data during setup or finish downloading it 
later. Buttons on this screen were Transfer from iPhone, Download from iCloud, 
or other options. The Transfer from iPhone said the time to transfer was about 
1 hour. The download from iCloud said I could start using my iPhone in about 15 

Re: Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

[Wayne Merritt]

Mary,
Speaking generally, only the meeting's host can manage and assign
people to break out rooms. If you are a co-host, you do not have the
ability. I have been using Zoom a lot for work, and this week we've
been doing a lot of the break out rooms. I haven't done it on the
iPhone, and probably won't since I usually Zoom when at work. I would
assume it works much the same way on iOS that it does on the computer.
All of this is mute unless you are the host though. If you are
attending a meeting and will be assigned to a break out room, there's
nothing you have to do other than show up at the appointed time. The
host handles everything else.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 5/22/20, Mary Otten  wrote:
> My zoom experience has been quite limited. I get a link in an email, double
> tap on it, and get into the zoom meeting. And I turn speech off, so I don’t
> hear voice over chattering about who joined, left, and what they’re typing
> into the chat box. That’s all very nice, as long as there is basically
> somebody lecturing, and then perhaps people asking questions one at a time
> that get answered. But I am supposed to be part of a zoom meeting in a few
> days which will include getting into breakout rooms. How do you do that on
> an iPhone with voiceover?
> Mary
>
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Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

[Mary Otten]

My zoom experience has been quite limited. I get a link in an email, double tap 
on it, and get into the zoom meeting. And I turn speech off, so I don’t hear 
voice over chattering about who joined, left, and what they’re typing into the 
chat box. That’s all very nice, as long as there is basically somebody 
lecturing, and then perhaps people asking questions one at a time that get 
answered. But I am supposed to be part of a zoom meeting in a few days which 
will include getting into breakout rooms. How do you do that on an iPhone with 
voiceover?
Mary


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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Carolyn]

I'm with you though, Lynn. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.


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On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:



 
BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 
2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned 
people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to 
do so and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
 
So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO 
report it now and let’s say every week again and again!
 
Davy 
 
From: Lynn White   
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app 
lost focus issue?
 
Hi Allen, 
 
This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there 
is an update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of 
ways other than children of God.
 
I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta 
tester which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
 
And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and 
courteously until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 
comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:



 
Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent 
them an e-mail.
 
Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 

Yes, anyone experiencing this should write 
accessibil...@apple.com  

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a 
window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and 
native Mail app lost focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group 
about this but didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for 
that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  
Write to Apple accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app 
loses focus when I've reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail 
account and review emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain 
focus on the message on which I'm located ever 

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Lynn White]

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action and 
is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this.  But whenever I hear 
that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting 
their way using any means necessary.  Not casting personal attacks on anyone 
whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems 
witha service or app.  The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send 
a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a 
new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that 
are made and point those improvements out.  

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on 
such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who 
might disagree with me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> 
> BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
> You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 
> will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
> others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
> and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.
>  
> So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report 
> it now and let’s say every week again and again!
>  
> Davy
>  
> From: Lynn White
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
> focus issue?
>  
> Hi Allen,
>  
> This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
> update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
> other than children of God.
>  
> I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
> which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.
>  
> And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
> until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.
>>  
>> Kim
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
>>> Oregon.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
>>> focus issue?
>>>  
>>> Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but 
>>> didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.
>>>  
>>> So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
>>> accessibility?
>>>  
>>> Thanks for any direction.
>>>  
>>> Kim
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>>  
>>> I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
>>> reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review 
>>> emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the 
>>> message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to 
>>> do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new 
>>> email comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older 
>>> message, focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus 
>>> correctly when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.
>>>  
>>> Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
>>> procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my 
>>> new emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.
>>>  
>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>  
>>> Alan Lemly
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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Davy Cuppens]

BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!
You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 
will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people 
others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so 
and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.

So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report it 
now and let’s say every week again and again!

Davy 

From: Lynn White 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

Hi Allen, 

This is so refreshing to hear.  I have a friend who, every time there is an 
update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways 
other than children of God.

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester 
which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

And you’re right.  It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously 
until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out.


Sent from my iPhone


  On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


   
  Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an e-mail.

  Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


 
Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com

 

 

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
Oregon.

 

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost 
focus issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but 
didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





  On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

  

  Hi List,

   

  I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've 
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails 
in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on 
which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better 
with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while 
focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping 
to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

   

  Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with 
procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new 
emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.

   

  Thanks in advance for your comments.

   

  Alan Lemly

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Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Alan,

Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on 
Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to 
be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but 
once I open the message and came out of it, then the problem started. Focus was 
totally lost. I’ve written Apple about it and I know others have as well, but 
it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be fixed this round. I sure hope when they 
come out with a new operating system which will be version 14, this issue will 
have been resolved

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Alan 
Lemly 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:02:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?


Christopher,



I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.



Alan



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.



--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail



From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?



Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.



So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?



Thanks for any direction.



Kim







On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.



Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.



Thanks in advance for your comments.



Alan Lemly

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RE: One more quick question re new SE

[Carolyn]

For me, that's good. I never really knew what it was or how to use it for what 
purpose. 

-Original Message-
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Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 5:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: One more quick question re new SE

Hi Marie,

 

No phone now will have 3d touch,

 

It didn’t really take off so they have done or are doing away with it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 4:51 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: One more quick question re new SE

 

I don’t believe I have heard it mentioned, but does the new SE have 3D touch? 
On my eight I use it all the time to activate the app switcher and love this 
feature.

Marie

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RE: One more quick question re new SE

[Carolyn]

It makes sense that the side press would be convenient. I never heard of it, so 
never tried it, when I had a phone with a Home Button. 

I haven't gone to Assistive Touch and put it on, I'm used to going up screen 
for Home Page. I prepared before getting this phone. A lady on another list 
sends frequent little mini tutorials, one of which was on the new phones the 
differences without the button. I just read her posts over and over until I was 
saturated, got my new phone, never looked back. My husband was afraid I'd be 
confused and that he couldn't help me, because he didn't know the slightest 
thing about it, but his fear was for nothing. It was like this was the onkly 
kind of phone I had had. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One more quick question re new SE

good grief! I never said the double click was difficult or that I did not know 
how to do it. I only stated, for me the side press was convenient.
 
Marie
 
From: Dave 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: One more quick question re new SE
 
a double click of the home button, will bring up the app switcher.
 
Seems pretty easy to me.
 
Dave.
 
 
From: Marie 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: One more quick question re new SE
 
Unfortunately there is no way to activate the app switcher as easily as with 
the 3D touch. It is more aggravating on the new one since there is no easy 
gesture for it like on the 10 or 11 phones.
On the eight, I just press on the very left edge of the screen and the app 
switcher pops up. And with my 11Pro, the swipe up from the bottom works great. 
But going back to double clicking the home button is annoying, in my opinion.
 
Marie
 
From: Mike B. 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: One more quick question re new SE
 
Hi Marie,
 
This is just 1 of many URL's that talks about 3D Touch being replaced by 
Touch.Haptic
 
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/15/iphone-se-haptic-touch/

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet. 

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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:51 AM
Subject: One more quick question re new SE
 
I don’t believe I have heard it mentioned, but does the new SE have 3D touch? 
On my eight I use it all the time to activate the app switcher and love this 
feature.
Marie
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RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

[Carolyn]

It is interesting to know, thanks. 

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Justin Harris
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Subject: Re: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

Ok, so basically, jailbreaking is the process of freeing your iPhone from 
Apple’s walled garden. As you probably know, Apple is pretty strict about what 
they allow in to their app store. There are a lot of interesting apps or tweaks 
out there that can add even more functions to your device, but if Apple doesn’t 
want them in their store, then you can’t install them. And you can miss out on 
some pretty cool stuff. 

This used to be a lot more popular. Like I said, a lot of the cooler iOS 
features in the last few years started as jailbreak tweaks. Apple would never 
admit it, but it’s obvious where the inspiration came from. But, it’s a bit of 
a cat and mouse game. Hackers find a loop that lets them create a jailbreak, 
and Apple patches. They find another one, and it keeps going on that way. So, 
the process has gotten a bit harder as of late, and more time tends to pass 
between iOS releases and new ways to jailbreak.
The things you can do range from small things like icon changes to bigger ones 
like enabling mobile hot spot even if said feature isn’t enabled on your mobile 
plan. Also, you can change default system sounds, add a close all button in the 
app switcher. etc.
Hope this gives you a better idea. It may not be for everyone, but I find it to 
be interesting. Just the ability to push my phone to the limits, do things with 
it that go beyond what Apple wants you to be able to do, etc.
> El may. 21, 2020, a las 6:38 p. m., Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> 
> escribió:
> 
> What is a jail break on the iPhone? 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Justin Harris
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon
> 
> I read earlier on Redmond Pie that there will be a new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 
> released soon. As of late, the problem has been that with some of these 
> programs, you can only jailbreak iOS on certain devices, and it can be hard 
> knowing which program to use for which device, if one is even available at 
> all. But with the new unc0ver jailbreak, it will be supposably compatible 
> with all devices on 13.5.
> I look forward to this, as I used to love jailbreaking back in the day. A lot 
> of jailbreak tweaks have actually been adopted by Apple and made part of iOS 
> in years past.
> I’ll let y’all know if and when it comes out, and if I find any tweaks worth 
> installing.
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Re: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

[Mike B.]

Hi Marie & All,

Thank you very much for your asisstance, I now have it downloaded.  And 
thank you Dennis for sending it to me.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Marie
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver


Mike I got to the site from his original post but not in this copy at the 
bottom of your post.
Try this
https://davidwoodbr.podbean.com/

Marie

From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

This link didn't work for me, got the 404 this webpage doesn't exist message 
no matter what browser or version of Jaws I use.  Is there another link that 
will play this file?  The same link from Top Tech Tidbits didn't work 
either.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

- Original Message - 
From: Russ Kiehne
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:54 AM
Subject: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver
David Woodbridge gives this phone a very favorable review:
https://bit.ly/3e5VfPX

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RE: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

[Dennis Long]

Alan what settings did you advise you go back and check?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:39 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

 

I am reposting the below at the request of Vivian.

 

Alan

 

Hi List,

 

I decided to make detailed notes of the steps involved in setting up a new 
iPhone mainly for my own benefit since I forget what is involved as I only do 
this every couple of years. In my case, I bought this SE 2020 directly from the 
Apple Store app with no SIM card included since I have a prepaid Verizon plan 
and could not specify my carrier successfully when ordering. The below numbered 
list will be very detailed since I'd rather have too much information than not 
enough. Any settings provided came from my iPhone 8 running iOS 13.4.1.

 

1.  Opened iTunes on my Windows 7 computer, verified I was running its 
latest version of 12.10.6, connected my iPhone 8 using the lightning cable, and 
did an encrypted backup.
2.  Did an iCloud backup by going to Settings - Alan Lemly - Apple ID - 
iCloud - iTunes and App Store, iCloud, iCloud backup, and executing Backup now.
3.  I read a lot of books using the BARD Mobile app and since any books 
downloaded to an iPhone are not transferred to a new restored iPhone, I made a 
list in an Excel file of the downloaded books I wanted to re-download to my new 
iPhone and the location of any current reading position in those books.
4.  I plugged my lightning cable connected to my computer to the new phone 
and the Apple logo appeared on the screen. The white screen appeared a few 
seconds later with the cycling languages appearing and I pressed the home 
button 3 times quickly to turn on Voiceover. Although I was hearing clicks as I 
swiped, Voiceover did not start talking until a number of seconds later. In 
fact, I pressed the home button 3 times again because I wasn't sure I had 
turned Voiceover on. This turned Voiceover off and I had to press the home 
button 3 times again to turn it back on and I heard Voiceover say hello and 
when I swiped once, Voiceover said press home to open.
5.  I pressed home and Voiceover said Setup and put me in a list of 
language buttons with English at the top. I double tapped on English.
6.  The screen which opened said Select your country or region heading. I 
double tapped on the United States button which was the first in the list.
7.  The screen which opened said Quick start heading Bring your current 
iPhone or iPad near this iPhone to sign in and set up. The older iPhone must be 
using iOS 11 or later with Bluetooth turned on. There was a button at the end 
to Set up manually.
8.  A screen opened on my old iPhone to set up a new iPhone using my apple 
ID with a button to continue. A screen appeared to position some pattern in a 
circle but I double tapped the Authenticate manually button instead.
9.  I was prompted to input the 6 digit authentication code displayed on my 
new iPhone using the number pad screen on my old iPhone. My new iPhone then 
prompted me to enter my passcode of my old iPhone. I had to double tap each 
number on the on screen number pad on my new iPhone since touch typing was not 
turned on.
10. I was prompted to set up touch ID on the new iPhone which I did.
11. Several screens were presented asking me to place my finger and lift my 
finger which I did. I was then taken to a screen which said Adjust your grip 
and it said keep going to capture the edges of your grip. I double tapped a 
Continue button at the bottom of this screen.
12. I was then prompted to again place and lift my finger until I got the 
Complete message. Touch ID is ready was spoken and I then executed the Continue 
button at the bottom of that screen.
13. The next screen said Transfer your data heading. The explanation said 
you can directly transfer your data during setup or finish downloading it 
later. Buttons on this screen were Transfer from iPhone, Download from iCloud, 
or other options. The Transfer from iPhone said the time to transfer was about 
1 hour. The download from iCloud said I could start using my iPhone in about 15 
minutes and my data would download later over wifi. I executed the Transfer 
from iPhone button.
14. I was taken to a Terms and conditions screen on the new iPhone where I 
double tapped an Agree button in the bottom right corner.
15. I was taken to a Settings from other iPhone heading screen where it 
listed some settings about allowing Siri to use voice input, contacts, etc. and 
allowing maps to use my location. I executed the Continue button at the bottom 
of this screen without customizing any settings.
16. I was taken to a Keep your iPhone up to date heading screen which was 
basically a commercial for updating iOS automatically. At the bottom of this 
screen was a Continue button followed by an Install updates manually 

RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

[Dennis Long]

Please keep us informed of the things you can do by doing this.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Justin 
Harris
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

Simon Simon, you are right on two of the three points. You can brick your phone 
if you don’t know what you are doing. But they have made it easier for the 
public to do this with no problem at all, so long as you follow the 
instructions. Also, yes, it does void your warrantee. However, you are super 
wrong saying that it is illegal. Apple may not like it, but it is legal. So 
please stop spreading false information.
If it was illegal, I wouldn’t be doing it.

> El may. 22, 2020, a las 4:58 a. m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> It's an illegal way to remove protection from the OS and somewhat enable 
> features that otherwise aren't currently available.
> 
> It's also away of bricking your phone if you don't know what you're 
> doing Oh and will kill any warranty on the phone if it's new enough.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 11:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon
> 
> What is a jail break on the iPhone? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Justin Harris
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon
> 
> I read earlier on Redmond Pie that there will be a new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 
> released soon. As of late, the problem has been that with some of these 
> programs, you can only jailbreak iOS on certain devices, and it can be hard 
> knowing which program to use for which device, if one is even available at 
> all. But with the new unc0ver jailbreak, it will be supposably compatible 
> with all devices on 13.5.
> I look forward to this, as I used to love jailbreaking back in the day. A lot 
> of jailbreak tweaks have actually been adopted by Apple and made part of iOS 
> in years past.
> I’ll let y’all know if and when it comes out, and if I find any tweaks worth 
> installing.
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Re: Covid and iOS 13.5?

[Jenifer Barr]

Haha. Thanks. Yeah I got a notification that I didn't have a compatible app. 
lol. Just wanted to see what it was all about. Oh well. Bye bye apple covid 
app!! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 12:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> This feature really only makes sense in countries or states/provinces where 
> the government releases an official app which is used by a significant 
> majority of the population.
> Don't expect that you'll find an app which send you a notification telling 
> you that you should get out of the way because the person who is 15 feet away 
> and coming your way has COVID-19, it can never do this and is not designed to 
> do this.
> In the best case scenario this is designed to help health authorities to 
> trace people after the fact and to warn others that they may have been 
> exposed to somebody who has COVID-19.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
> Giannetti
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Covid and iOS 13.5?
> 
> How do you know which app will coincide with the COVID-19 in health privacy?
> 
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 11:57 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> It's not in the Health app.
>> Go into Settings and search for COVID and you'll find it, it's under 
>> Privacy > Health However, turning this on in itself does nothing, You would 
>> also need an app promoted by your government which actually stores data 
>> about where you have been and with whom else you came into close contact who 
>> also has this technology.
>> Theoretically if a person tests positive for COVID-19 and has the app, 
>> authorities  an then check that person's app to see with whom they have come 
>> into contact with and these people can then be notified and potentially will 
>> be required to self-isolate for 14 days to make sure they did not get 
>> infected.
>> The issue with all of this is that you ideally need a single app for all of 
>> Canada or at least for your province and that at least 60% to 80% of all 
>> people would have to use said app for it to be really effective. This is 
>> very new technology, it's not at all proven how effective this could be and 
>> nobody in a country like Canada, the US or most European countries would put 
>> up with being forced to use it.
>> I think you are also in Canada and, in particular, in British Columbia, 
>> aren't you? If so I wouldn't be too worried anyways, we are extremely lucky 
>> to be in a province which did a lot of stuff right. Currently there are only 
>> just over 300 people of the just under 2,500 who tested positive who have 
>> not yet recovered and given our population of 5 Million that is not so bad 
>> and with basic common sense, physical distancing and hand hygiene chance for 
>> you to pick up COVID-19 are pretty small.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:39 PM
>> To: iPhone List 
>> Subject: Covid and ios 13.5?
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> I looked in the health app but found nothing about Covid 19. Where do I find 
>> this setting? 
>> Thanks.
>> Jen
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[Alan Lemly]

Christopher,

 

I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I 
didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's 
been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple 
Accessibility about the native Mail lost focus issue so I can't say I was 
encouraged by it. I sort of expected a more on point reply to an issue I've 
reported at least three times and which has been around ever since iOS 13 came 
out.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 

 

On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: recovering a note that was just deleted

[Richard Turner]

If this is on an iPhone or iPad, if there is a folders back button in the upper 
left, tap on it until you get to the list of all folders.
There is a recently deleted folder.  It keeps them for 30 days.
Touch the one you want to recover, flick down to Move note, double tap, go back 
to all folders and then pick the folder you want it in and double tap.




Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of John 
Panarese
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:49 AM
To: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: recovering a note that was just deleted

   There should be a recently deleted folder when you double tap on the, 
folders Mac, button. I think that keeps notes up to 30 days that were deleted. 
I’m not sure if there are any specific requirements for this folder to show, 
though.


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On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Dan 
mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was getting rid of a note I created to test something.  I clicked on the 
delete button and it went away.  However, it then said delete note again and I 
thought it was just confirming that I really wanted to delete the thing.  I 
clicked on delete note again and one of my notes I had with some important info 
in it went away.

Is it possible to recover a very recently deleted note?

Thanks.

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Re: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

[Alan Lemly]

Mike,

I'm attempting to share the David Woodbridge SE 2020 podcast from the Overcast 
app but I have no clue whether it will work. Here it is:

https://overcast.fm/+LUe-nBPtg 


Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> This link didn't work for me, got the 404 this webpage doesn't exist message 
> no matter what browser or version of Jaws I use.  Is there another link that 
> will play this file?  The same link from Top Tech Tidbits didn't work either.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
> it cleans the toilet. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Russ Kiehne
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:54 AM
> Subject: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver
> 
> I thought some of you would be interested in this?
>  
> Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver
> David Woodbridge gives this phone a very favorable review:
> https://bit.ly/3e5VfPX
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Re: recovering a note that was just deleted

[John Panarese]

   There should be a recently deleted folder when you double tap on the, 
folders Mac, button. I think that keeps notes up to 30 days that were deleted. 
I’m not sure if there are any specific requirements for this folder to show, 
though.


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> On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Dan  wrote:
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> I was getting rid of a note I created to test something.  I clicked on the 
> delete button and it went away.  However, it then said delete note again and 
> I thought it was just confirming that I really wanted to delete the thing.  I 
> clicked on delete note again and one of my notes I had with some important 
> info in it went away.
> 
> 
> 
> Is it possible to recover a very recently deleted note?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: Smart news app question

[Isaac Hebert]

You would need to write the app developer of smart news to request this 
feature.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I have been using the SmartNews app. And there is one thing that I find 
> really annoying. Sometimes, when you call up an article, there is a choice 
> between “Web“ and “smart“. In such cases, the app defaults to “web“. That is 
> never the best choice. Do you want “smart“, because it gets rid of all the 
> ass that totally screwup voiceover. Plus, who needs those stupid ass anyway? 
> So far as I know, there is no way to get that default sent to smart instead 
> of web. Am I missing something? Or do I and anyone else who cares about their 
> sanity, need to somehow write the developer and encourage them to have 
> “smart“ as the default? It seems like if you have Settings, which they do, 
> that would be something you should be able to set.
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Re: wish list in the audible app

[lenron brown]

I thought it was just romance. Also yeah it's pretty accessible. I
remember had onetime having issues with the achievements. Also I wish
deleting was setup differently. Also I notice the app does look a
little different these days. You know I am thinking that scrolling
issue is more of an apple thing.

On 5/21/20, Robin  wrote:
>  From MyReSearch of Audible's AudibleEscape,  it
> isn't Limited  to only RomanceBooks
> I  Believe
> There  are Books  in  Thriller, Documentaries,  etc etc
> At 08:20 AM 5/21/2020, you wrote:
>>hi,
>>
>>audable escape is a book   program that  allows
>>unlimited listening  (you check out/in
>>books)  So you dont' keep them but, I think it's
>>extreamly limited to the romance books.  From what I've looked at.
>>
>>B. J. Maynard
>>- Original Message - From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>>To: 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:16 AM
>>Subject: RE: wish list in the audible app
>>
>>
>>I assume whatever Audible Escape is, is
>>currently not available in Canada, but could
>>somebody enlighten me as to what it is?
>>Also, Len, could you specifically point out a
>>few of the issues you have with the app?
>>Apart from a few things I'd like the app to do I
>>find it fully accessible and it works very well.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> On Behalf Of lenron brown
>>Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:01 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: wish list in the audible app
>>
>>Also I am not an audible escape member and I still have issues with the
>> thing.
>>
>>On 5/21/20, lenron brown  wrote:
>>>Yes it works better from the pc but I really think audible could do
>>>better and they should totally get this app some love.
>>>
>>>On 5/15/20, Barbara Stahl  wrote:
So I tried swiping to the end of the from your wish list heading and
there was an unmarked button right before the next heading. I double
tapped it and more of my wish list appeared. However, as I scrolled
through it it kept sort of reading in circles, it kept going back
over titles it had already read then going forward a bit and then
doing the same thing.
Personally I think I will stick to accessing my wish list from the
computer, it works much better.
Jennnie, if you only have two or so titles in your wish list, there
will likely not be a more button at all, because the suggestions from
your wish list heading will likely include all of the titles in your
wish list.


>On May 15, 2020, at 9:38 PM, Jennie Facer 
>wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I am on my home tab and going through headings does nothing. I find
>no text that says see more or anything like that between best
>sellers and new releases. Not sure what else to look for I only have
>like 2 books in my wish list.
>
>Jenn
>
>Jenn and Kumi
>
>>On May 15, 2020, at 8:03 AM, B. J. Maynard 
>>wrote:
>>
>>hi,
>>
>>I'm not sure why you all are having trouble. I am on the latest
>>update of the audable ap.  I just looked and 'From your wishlist'
>>is a heading.
>>if
>>your wish list is long and you get to the next heading (best
>>sellers) at the moment if your swipe left from that heading you'll
>>see an unlabeled button that says possable text then it says see
>>more.  If you let it continue. .  if you double tap that you'll see
>>your entire wishlist.
>>As
>>I've said in previous email.  Maybe this behavior you barbra see as
>>well as the other person  might have to do with  being an audable
>>escape member which I am not.
>>
>>Maybe others that are subscribed to audable escape can chime in.
>>
>>B. J. Maynard
>>- Original Message - From: "Barbara Stahl"
>>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:26 PM
>>Subject: Re: wish list in the audible app
>>
>>
>>What do you mean by the broken return button?  Doesn't it work any
>>more?
>>Also, I selected the home tab and scrolled all the way to the
>>bottom, and I did not see a wish list heading. All I found were
>>suggestions from my wish list, not the whole thing.  So where is
>>this phantum wish list in the audible app?
>>Finally, even if you have had a book for over a year you still
>>likely can return it by contacting audible by phone.
>>I did this last year. I read a book I had purchased more than a
>>year before and I absolutely hated it. I gave it a bad review and I
>>got an email telling me that I could exchange it. The website would
>>not let me do it so I asked audible and they said that for longer
>>than a year returns or exchanges you have to have an audible
>>support agent process the return. Audible is usually very
>> accomidating.
>>A couple of months ago, I received an audible gift membership on a
>>gift card and the website would not take the code for some reason.
>>I contacted audible and 

Re: SE 2020 dual sim card?

[lenron brown]

your ESim is for your carrier and then your second number on the other
sim. That's how I am thinking that would work.

On 5/21/20, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Yes, as far as I know you can assign different ringtones to your two
> numbers.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: SE 2020 dual sim card?
>
> I think that you are correct.
> But, how it works for incoming calls I have no idea.
> Maybe calling your Carrier to find out what they know, and also call Apple
> Accessibility to see what they know about VoiceOver and Duel Sim cards.
> I did read once about someone on this list I think, getting the  eSim set up
> with their Carrier so they could buy a sim card in another country to avoid
> the roaming charges.
> I think though, you will be better off if you ask your Carrier if they
> support the eSim and if so, how that works.
>
> Later,
>
>
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
> Oregon.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: SE 2020 dual sim card?
>
> First of all, I love, love, love my new phone!
>
>
> Given my work, which is of a personal nature, I have 2 cell phones; 1 for me
> and 1 for work.  I don’t want clients  to have my personal cell number.  How
> does a dual sim card work?  Would I know which number a call is coming in
> on?  Would this essentually be like having 2 phones in 1?
>
>
> Thanks for any info you can give me about this and I hope those Who have
> this new phone are enjoying their’s as much as I am mine.
>
> Kim
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recovering a note that was just deleted

[Dan]

  
  
I was getting rid of a note I created to test something.  I
clicked on the delete button and it went away.  However, it then
said delete note again and I thought it was just confirming that
I really wanted to delete the thing.  I clicked on delete note
again and one of my notes I had with some important info in it
went away.

  
Is it possible to recover a very recently deleted note?

  
Thanks.

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RE: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

[Simon A Fogarty]

I also got the same.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

This link didn't work for me, got the 404 this webpage doesn't exist message no 
matter what browser or version of Jaws I use.  Is there another link that will 
play this file?  The same link from Top Tech Tidbits didn't work either.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet.
- Original Message -
From: Russ Kiehne
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:54 AM
Subject: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

I thought some of you would be interested in this?

Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver
David Woodbridge gives this phone a very favorable review:
https://bit.ly/3e5VfPX

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Re: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

[Justin Harris]

Simon Simon, you are right on two of the three points. You can brick your phone 
if you don’t know what you are doing. But they have made it easier for the 
public to do this with no problem at all, so long as you follow the 
instructions. Also, yes, it does void your warrantee. However, you are super 
wrong saying that it is illegal. Apple may not like it, but it is legal. So 
please stop spreading false information.
If it was illegal, I wouldn’t be doing it.

> El may. 22, 2020, a las 4:58 a. m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> It's an illegal way to remove protection from the OS and somewhat enable 
> features that otherwise aren't currently available.
> 
> It's also away of bricking your phone if you don't know what you're doing
> Oh and will kill any warranty on the phone if it's new enough.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 11:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon
> 
> What is a jail break on the iPhone? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Justin Harris
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon
> 
> I read earlier on Redmond Pie that there will be a new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 
> released soon. As of late, the problem has been that with some of these 
> programs, you can only jailbreak iOS on certain devices, and it can be hard 
> knowing which program to use for which device, if one is even available at 
> all. But with the new unc0ver jailbreak, it will be supposably compatible 
> with all devices on 13.5.
> I look forward to this, as I used to love jailbreaking back in the day. A lot 
> of jailbreak tweaks have actually been adopted by Apple and made part of iOS 
> in years past.
> I’ll let y’all know if and when it comes out, and if I find any tweaks worth 
> installing.
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RE: SE 2020 dual sim card?

[Simon A Fogarty]

I believe you can yes,

I know Nokia use to allow this so that you knew who was calling or which number 
was being rung.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 2:13 PM
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Subject: RE: SE 2020 dual sim card?

Yes, as far as I know you can assign different ringtones to your two numbers.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SE 2020 dual sim card?

I think that you are correct.
But, how it works for incoming calls I have no idea.
Maybe calling your Carrier to find out what they know, and also call Apple 
Accessibility to see what they know about VoiceOver and Duel Sim cards.
I did read once about someone on this list I think, getting the  eSim set up 
with their Carrier so they could buy a sim card in another country to avoid the 
roaming charges.
I think though, you will be better off if you ask your Carrier if they support 
the eSim and if so, how that works.

Later,


Richard
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-Original Message-
From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:32 AM
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Subject: SE 2020 dual sim card?

First of all, I love, love, love my new phone! 


Given my work, which is of a personal nature, I have 2 cell phones; 1 for me 
and 1 for work.  I don’t want clients  to have my personal cell number.  How 
does a dual sim card work?  Would I know which number a call is coming in on?  
Would this essentually be like having 2 phones in 1?


Thanks for any info you can give me about this and I hope those Who have this 
new phone are enjoying their’s as much as I am mine.

Kim

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RE: transferring music

[Simon A Fogarty]

I’m not sure why you would want to!

The sound quality on the iPhone will be a lot better than that of the victor

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: transferring music

Probably not without a computer with iTunes.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of martin
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:08 PM
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Subject: transferring music

Hi, Folks: is it possible to transfer music purchased using the I phone to be 
heard on the Victor Reader Stream?
Thanks for any help.
Martin Nelson
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RE: One more quick question re new SE

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Marie,

I’d just give up!

LOL,
I’m sure you haven’t been doing this for years with other phones you’ve had!
Possibly people think you’ve had your fingers removed!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One more quick question re new SE

good grief! I never said the double click was difficult or that I did not know 
how to do it. I only stated, for me the side press was convenient.

Marie

From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One more quick question re new SE

a double click of the home button, will bring up the app switcher.

Seems pretty easy to me.

Dave.


From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One more quick question re new SE

Unfortunately there is no way to activate the app switcher as easily as with 
the 3D touch. It is more aggravating on the new one since there is no easy 
gesture for it like on the 10 or 11 phones.
On the eight, I just press on the very left edge of the screen and the app 
switcher pops up. And with my 11Pro, the swipe up from the bottom works great. 
But going back to double clicking the home button is annoying, in my opinion.

Marie

From: Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: One more quick question re new SE

Hi Marie,

This is just 1 of many URL's that talks about 3D Touch being replaced by 
Touch.Haptic

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/15/iphone-se-haptic-touch/


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
*My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it 
cleans the toilet.
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From: Marie
To: VIPhone
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:51 AM
Subject: One more quick question re new SE

I don’t believe I have heard it mentioned, but does the new SE have 3D touch? 
On my eight I use it all the time to activate the app switcher and love this 
feature.
Marie
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RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

[Simon A Fogarty]

It's an illegal way to remove protection from the OS and somewhat enable 
features that otherwise aren't currently available.

It's also away of bricking your phone if you don't know what you're doing
Oh and will kill any warranty on the phone if it's new enough.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 11:38 AM
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Subject: RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

What is a jail break on the iPhone? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Justin Harris
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:21 PM
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Subject: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

I read earlier on Redmond Pie that there will be a new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 
released soon. As of late, the problem has been that with some of these 
programs, you can only jailbreak iOS on certain devices, and it can be hard 
knowing which program to use for which device, if one is even available at all. 
But with the new unc0ver jailbreak, it will be supposably compatible with all 
devices on 13.5.
I look forward to this, as I used to love jailbreaking back in the day. A lot 
of jailbreak tweaks have actually been adopted by Apple and made part of iOS in 
years past.
I’ll let y’all know if and when it comes out, and if I find any tweaks worth 
installing.

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RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

[chaltain]

For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a 
spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it 
better over all or not.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus 
issue?

 

Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t 
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.

 

So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple 
accessibility?

 

Thanks for any direction.

 

Kim

 

 





On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,

 

I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing 
emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads 
and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm 
located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 
13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is 
at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this 
new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread 
containing multiple messages.

 

Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures 
to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each 
morning to be a major pain and time waster.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

[Mich Verrier]

Hi Jumpig in on this thred. I live in Ontario and did what you said and was 
told that it was not avlaible in my region. From Mich.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: May 21, 2020 11:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

It's not in the Health app.
Go into Settings and search for COVID and you'll find it, it's under Privacy > 
Health
However, turning this on in itself does nothing, You would also need an app 
promoted by your government which actually stores data about where you have 
been and with whom else you came into close contact who also has this 
technology.
Theoretically if a person tests positive for COVID-19 and has the app, 
authorities  an then check that person's app to see with whom they have come 
into contact with and these people can then be notified and potentially will be 
required to self-isolate for 14 days to make sure they did not get infected.
The issue with all of this is that you ideally need a single app for all of 
Canada or at least for your province and that at least 60% to 80% of all people 
would have to use said app for it to be really effective. This is very new 
technology, it's not at all proven how effective this could be and nobody in a 
country like Canada, the US or most European countries would put up with being 
forced to use it.
I think you are also in Canada and, in particular, in British Columbia, aren't 
you? If so I wouldn't be too worried anyways, we are extremely lucky to be in a 
province which did a lot of stuff right. Currently there are only just over 300 
people of the just under 2,500 who tested positive who have not yet recovered 
and given our population of 5 Million that is not so bad and with basic common 
sense, physical distancing and hand hygiene chance for you to pick up COVID-19 
are pretty small.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenifer 
Barr
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:39 PM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: Covid and ios 13.5?

Hi all.
I looked in the health app but found nothing about Covid 19. Where do I find 
this setting? 
Thanks.
Jen


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RE: One more quick question re new SE

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Marie,

No phone now will have 3d touch,

It didn’t really take off so they have done or are doing away with it.

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Subject: One more quick question re new SE

I don’t believe I have heard it mentioned, but does the new SE have 3D touch? 
On my eight I use it all the time to activate the app switcher and love this 
feature.
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Re: My SE 2020 Experience so far

[Joshua Hendrickson]

No it is not.  Go into settings and look for the music setting, the EQ
is in there.  I forget if music is a setting on its own, or if you
have to go into accessibility first before you find the music tab.

On 5/22/20, martin  wrote:
> Hi: is this equalizer function only available in the new s e?
>
> -Original Message-
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> Well, I think that the very fact we have the equalizer option in the music
> settings, not to mention better and better headsets, allows for a really
> nice music listening experience. What's funny to me is how it never even
> occurred to me to look for such a setting with the old SE.
> It always sounded good when I played a song on the speakers. Not the best
> quality, but definitely good for the size of the phone and the sound was
> quite full.
>
> On 5/19/20, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> Thanks, Richard, for letting me know about them, there are more now
>> than there were the last time I checked. I downloaded one that said it
>> works with the music I already had on my phone, played with it some
>> and deleted it for now, being that it had a lot of unlabeled buttons
>> and I didn't seem to be able to get it to do any equalizing. I may
>> mess with it, or another one in the future, but I still don't
>> understand why Apple doesn't have an equalizer as part of IOS.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>
>>
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
>>
>> On May 19, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Richard Turner
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There are a ton of equalizer apps in the app store.
>> I have no idea how accessible any of them are.
>> Most are subscription based from my brie exploration.
>> Perhaps you could check them out and see if they offer what you want.
>> I'm quite happy with the sound quality, so I'm not interested; but I
>> was cu= rious since you mentioned the availability in Android.
>> I just searched for EQ in the app store.
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> Linus to Cha
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RE: My SE 2020 Experience so far

[martin]

Hi: is this equalizer function only available in the new s e?

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Subject: Re: My SE 2020 Experience so far

Well, I think that the very fact we have the equalizer option in the music 
settings, not to mention better and better headsets, allows for a really nice 
music listening experience. What's funny to me is how it never even occurred to 
me to look for such a setting with the old SE.
It always sounded good when I played a song on the speakers. Not the best 
quality, but definitely good for the size of the phone and the sound was quite 
full.

On 5/19/20, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> Thanks, Richard, for letting me know about them, there are more now 
> than there were the last time I checked. I downloaded one that said it 
> works with the music I already had on my phone, played with it some 
> and deleted it for now, being that it had a lot of unlabeled buttons 
> and I didn't seem to be able to get it to do any equalizing. I may 
> mess with it, or another one in the future, but I still don't 
> understand why Apple doesn't have an equalizer as part of IOS.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
>
> On May 19, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Richard Turner 
> 
> wrote:
>
> There are a ton of equalizer apps in the app store.
> I have no idea how accessible any of them are.
> Most are subscription based from my brie exploration.
> Perhaps you could check them out and see if they offer what you want.
> I'm quite happy with the sound quality, so I'm not interested; but I 
> was cu= rious since you mentioned the availability in Android.
> I just searched for EQ in the app store.
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