Re: Smart Punctuation for Texting

[Mike B.]

Hi Gordon,

Thank you very much.  I knew I had ran across this setting somewhere, but I 
couldn't find a note about it and sure as hell didn't remember where the 
setting was.  LOL
I'll give it a try with a few test text messages and see how dictation 
responds.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike. Go Dodgers.
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Subject: Re: Smart Punctuation for Texting


I don't know if it's improved over the past couple of months, but it wasn't 
very effective back when I used it. It really made things look strange. If 
you want to give it a try, go to settings, general and keyboards. You'll 
find all that stuff if you keep flicking where it says dictation. If it 
doesn't work the way you want it to, be sure to turn it back off.


On 3/11/2023 9:06 PM, Mike B. wrote:

  Hi All,

  I'm running iOS16.3.1 on an SE2020.  Where do I turn on, if it's possible, 
automatic punctuation so when I send a text message I don't have to tell 
Siri , period, question mark or new line when dictating a text message? 
Thanks mooy moocho.

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Re: Smart Punctuation for Texting

[Gordon]

I don't know if it's improved over the past couple of months, but it 
wasn't very effective back when I used it. It really made things look 
strange. If you want to give it a try, go to settings, general and 
keyboards. You'll find all that stuff if you keep flicking where it says 
dictation. If it doesn't work the way you want it to, be sure to turn it 
back off.


On 3/11/2023 9:06 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi All,
I'm running iOS16.3.1 on an SE2020. Where do I turn on, if it's 
possible, automatic punctuation so when I send a text message I don't 
have to tell Siri , period, question mark or new line when dictating a 
text message?  Thanks mooy moocho.


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Smart Punctuation for Texting

[Mike B.]

Hi All,

I'm running iOS16.3.1 on an SE2020.  Where do I turn on, if it's possible, 
automatic punctuation so when I send a text message I don't have to tell 
Siri , period, question mark or new line when dictating a text message? 
Thanks mooy moocho.

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Re: Too much punctuation talking after my upgrade on my old 7+

[Lyne]

hello,

I'l try my best to tell you in English!
Go to settings, accessibility, VoiceOver, audio and the first option shoul be 
ponctuation; chose some  
If it's not that, it's because you have to turn off activity 

Lyne

> Le 12 juin 2022 à 20:16, Marie Lyons  a écrit :
> 
> I am having the same problem on my 11 pro, I haven’t been able to figure it 
> out yet.
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to figure out why after I upgraded my 7+ yesterday, it has 
>> started pronouncing punctuation I don’t want pronounced, such as in the 
>> status bar, where it says 7 colon 34 for the time just now instead of 7 34. 
>> It’s even pronouncing commas sometimes. My group is set to some just as it 
>> has always been, which is also true for this phone. This is a 10 R, it is 
>> similarly upgraded to the latest released version, and it does not have this 
>> problem. Something got changed, and I can’t find what. Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
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Re: Too much punctuation talking after my upgrade on my old 7+

[Mary Otten]

The solution that Mike proposed did the job for me. Go into Accessibility, 
voice over, find the programs activity and get rid of it. Problem solved. At 
least here.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> I am having the same problem on my 11 pro, I haven’t been able to figure it 
> out yet.
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to figure out why after I upgraded my 7+ yesterday, it has 
>> started pronouncing punctuation I don’t want pronounced, such as in the 
>> status bar, where it says 7 colon 34 for the time just now instead of 7 34. 
>> It’s even pronouncing commas sometimes. My group is set to some just as it 
>> has always been, which is also true for this phone. This is a 10 R, it is 
>> similarly upgraded to the latest released version, and it does not have this 
>> problem. Something got changed, and I can’t find what. Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Too much punctuation talking after my upgrade on my old 7+

[Marie Lyons]

I am having the same problem on my 11 pro, I haven’t been able to figure it out 
yet.

> On Jun 11, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am trying to figure out why after I upgraded my 7+ yesterday, it has 
> started pronouncing punctuation I don’t want pronounced, such as in the 
> status bar, where it says 7 colon 34 for the time just now instead of 7 34. 
> It’s even pronouncing commas sometimes. My group is set to some just as it 
> has always been, which is also true for this phone. This is a 10 R, it is 
> similarly upgraded to the latest released version, and it does not have this 
> problem. Something got changed, and I can’t find what. Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

Hi Mike,
Yes, getting rid of the programs activity did the job. I also put punctuation 
in my rotor, where it had not been, but I don’t know if that actually did 
anything. It was more a preventative measure in case all punctuation stop being 
acknowledged.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2022, at 9:59 AM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good Morning Mary,
>  
> Did any of the suggestions take care of the problem?  Sure hope so, I forget 
> which one fixed my SE2020 iPhone, but I had the same problem and I believe 
> removing the, Programs, entry from settings / 
> Accessibility/VoiceOver/Activities is the one that did the trick.
>  
>  
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after 
> upgrade
> 
> Thanks, Mike. Disregard the message I just sent on the same topic. I thought 
> I had sent something yesterday about this, and then for some stupid reason, 
> going through my email this morning, I missed your reply the first time, so 
> thinking maybe I hadn’t sent it, I sent another message on the same topic. 
> I’m sorry for that.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> Try the following suggestions from a query of the same nature with iOS14.
>> From: Chris Szostak
>> Hi All!
>>  
>>  I know a lot of us have had the really really annoying issue with VO 
>> 14.3-14.4 reading all and often way more punctuation than wanted. If you 
>> have had
>> this problem, I found a solution on the VO bugs reporting list. at least two 
>> people there tried it with success and I have had the same results! 
>>  
>> 1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Activities.
>>  
>> 2.  Do a 1-finger swipe down on programs until you hear delete and delete 
>> this. 
>>  
>>  If like me after doing the above two steps, you end up getting VO reading 
>> no punctuation at this point unless you read by character , there is a really
>> simple solution. I had this problem and the following resolved it. 
>>  
>> 1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/rotor.
>>  
>> 2.  Make sure punctuation is selected. 
>>  
>>  This should resolve the problem, as long as your default is set  to some. 
>> If it is not set to some, do the following: 
>>  
>> 1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Verbosity/Punctuation/Active 
>> Punctuation Group.
>>  
>> 2.  Make sure it is set to some or change the selection if that is not 
>> selected. 
>>  
>> Chris  
>>  
>> From: Dave Clement 
>> Hi, 
>> This sounds like the Voiceover "activity" bug. Try:
>> 1. Go to Settings/Accessibility/Voiceover/Activities
>> 2. Double tap on the "Programming" activity
>> 3. Double tap on the "verbosity" setting
>> 4. Set "punctuation" to none
>> I am assuming you are running IOS 14.x. This should fix your problem. This 
>> is a known bug but it would help if you report it to Apple. The more folk who
>> do, the higher the priority to fix it will rise. 
>> Dave Clement
>>  
>> From: Lielle Ben Simon
>> Hi, regarding the reading punctuation marks, on Voice Over go to the 
>> "activity" and "set program" and delete this. I have made this changed this, 
>> and it 
>> solved. 
>> Liel
>>  
>> From: Simon A Fogarty 
>> Have you changed your voice on the device?
>>  
>> If so try changing it back to the default voice and see what happens.
>>  
>> Simon 
>>  
>>  
>> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Mary Otten
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation 
>> after upgrade
>> 
>> No. Not happening. I’ve been using Alex forever. It works fine on my iPhone 
>> XR. So there has to be something going on. I just set my punctuation to 
>> none, and the stupid voiceover keeps giving me all sorts of commas and all 
>> kinds of crap. Changing voices is not the answer, since it works great on 
>> this phone. So, what the heck am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>

Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after upgrade

[Mike B.]

Good Morning Mary,

Did any of the suggestions take care of the problem?  Sure hope so, I forget 
which one fixed my SE2020 iPhone, but I had the same problem and I believe 
removing the, Programs, entry from settings / 
Accessibility/VoiceOver/Activities is the one that did the trick.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 
From: Mary Otten
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation 
after upgrade


Thanks, Mike. Disregard the message I just sent on the same topic. I thought 
I had sent something yesterday about this, and then for some stupid reason, 
going through my email this morning, I missed your reply the first time, so 
thinking maybe I hadn’t sent it, I sent another message on the same topic. I’m 
sorry for that.
Mary




Sent from my iPhone


  On Jun 10, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Mike B.  wrote:


  
  Hi Mary,

  Try the following suggestions from a query of the same nature with iOS14.
  From: Chris Szostak
  Hi All!

   I know a lot of us have had the really really annoying issue with VO 
14.3-14.4 reading all and often way more punctuation than wanted. If you 
have had
  this problem, I found a solution on the VO bugs reporting list. at least 
two people there tried it with success and I have had the same results!

  1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Activities.

  2.  Do a 1-finger swipe down on programs until you hear delete and delete 
this.

   If like me after doing the above two steps, you end up getting VO reading 
no punctuation at this point unless you read by character , there is a 
really
  simple solution. I had this problem and the following resolved it.

  1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/rotor.

  2.  Make sure punctuation is selected.

   This should resolve the problem, as long as your default is set  to some. 
If it is not set to some, do the following:

  1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Verbosity/Punctuation/Active 
Punctuation Group.

  2.  Make sure it is set to some or change the selection if that is not 
selected.

  Chris

  From: Dave Clement
  Hi,
  This sounds like the Voiceover "activity" bug. Try:
  1. Go to Settings/Accessibility/Voiceover/Activities
  2. Double tap on the "Programming" activity
  3. Double tap on the "verbosity" setting
  4. Set "punctuation" to none
  I am assuming you are running IOS 14.x. This should fix your problem. This 
is a known bug but it would help if you report it to Apple. The more folk 
who
  do, the higher the priority to fix it will rise.
  Dave Clement

  From: Lielle Ben Simon
  Hi, regarding the reading punctuation marks, on Voice Over go to the 
"activity" and "set program" and delete this. I have made this changed this, 
and it
  solved.
  Liel

  From: Simon A Fogarty
  Have you changed your voice on the device?

  If so try changing it back to the default voice and see what happens.

  Simon


  Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:00 PM
  Subject: Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation 
after upgrade


  No. Not happening. I’ve been using Alex forever. It works fine on my 
iPhone XR. So there has to be something going on. I just set my punctuation 
to none, and the stupid voiceover keeps giving me all sorts of commas and 
all kinds of crap. Changing voices is not the answer, since it works great 
on this phone. So, what the heck am I doing wrong?



  Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 10, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
 wrote:



Hi Mary, try to use an other voice.
It's read this ponctuation mark wen we use in English US voices.
Try to use an british or other English accent.
It helped me.


מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.
0509549090
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  ‫ב-11 ביוני 2022, בשעה 5:46, ‏‏Mary Otten ‏ 
כתב/ה:‬


  I finally upgraded my 7+ to iOS 15. Five. And it is reading all sorts 
of unwanted punctuation, like,,.,: Etc. I have had my punctuation set to 
some which has worked great for as long as I can remember. I just went in 
and switch my punctuation to nun on this phone, and it is still reading all 
this garbage, colons and colons and commas etc. What am I doing wrong? This 
is unacceptable.


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Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Mike. Disregard the message I just sent on the same topic. I thought I 
had sent something yesterday about this, and then for some stupid reason, going 
through my email this morning, I missed your reply the first time, so thinking 
maybe I hadn’t sent it, I sent another message on the same topic. I’m sorry for 
that.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Mike B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> Try the following suggestions from a query of the same nature with iOS14.
> From: Chris Szostak
> Hi All!
>  
>  I know a lot of us have had the really really annoying issue with VO 
> 14.3-14.4 reading all and often way more punctuation than wanted. If you have 
> had
> this problem, I found a solution on the VO bugs reporting list. at least two 
> people there tried it with success and I have had the same results! 
>  
> 1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Activities.
>  
> 2.  Do a 1-finger swipe down on programs until you hear delete and delete 
> this. 
>  
>  If like me after doing the above two steps, you end up getting VO reading no 
> punctuation at this point unless you read by character , there is a really
> simple solution. I had this problem and the following resolved it. 
>  
> 1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/rotor.
>  
> 2.  Make sure punctuation is selected. 
>  
>  This should resolve the problem, as long as your default is set  to some. If 
> it is not set to some, do the following: 
>  
> 1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Verbosity/Punctuation/Active 
> Punctuation Group.
>  
> 2.  Make sure it is set to some or change the selection if that is not 
> selected. 
>  
> Chris  
>  
> From: Dave Clement 
> Hi, 
> This sounds like the Voiceover "activity" bug. Try:
> 1. Go to Settings/Accessibility/Voiceover/Activities
> 2. Double tap on the "Programming" activity
> 3. Double tap on the "verbosity" setting
> 4. Set "punctuation" to none
> I am assuming you are running IOS 14.x. This should fix your problem. This is 
> a known bug but it would help if you report it to Apple. The more folk who
> do, the higher the priority to fix it will rise. 
> Dave Clement
>  
> From: Lielle Ben Simon
> Hi, regarding the reading punctuation marks, on Voice Over go to the 
> "activity" and "set program" and delete this. I have made this changed this, 
> and it 
> solved. 
> Liel
>  
> From: Simon A Fogarty 
> Have you changed your voice on the device?
>  
> If so try changing it back to the default voice and see what happens.
>  
> Simon 
>  
>  
> Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool. 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after 
> upgrade
> 
> No. Not happening. I’ve been using Alex forever. It works fine on my iPhone 
> XR. So there has to be something going on. I just set my punctuation to none, 
> and the stupid voiceover keeps giving me all sorts of commas and all kinds of 
> crap. Changing voices is not the answer, since it works great on this phone. 
> So, what the heck am I doing wrong?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mary, try to use an other voice.
>> It's read this ponctuation mark wen we use in English US voices.
>> Try to use an british or other English accent.
>> It helped me.
>> 
>> מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.
>> 0509549090
>> לדף העסקי שלי:
>> https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/
>>  
>> 
>>> ‫ב-11 ביוני 2022, בשעה 5:46, ‏‏Mary Otten ‏ כתב/ה:‬
>>> 
>>> I finally upgraded my 7+ to iOS 15. Five. And it is reading all sorts of 
>>> unwanted punctuation, like,,.,: Etc. I have had my punctuation set to some 
>>> which has worked great for as long as I can remember. I just went in and 
>>> switch my punctuation to nun on this phone, and it is still reading all 
>>> this garbage, colons and colons and commas etc. What am I doing wrong? This 
>>> is unacceptable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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&

Too much punctuation talking after my upgrade on my old 7+

[Mary Otten]

I am trying to figure out why after I upgraded my 7+ yesterday, it has started 
pronouncing punctuation I don’t want pronounced, such as in the status bar, 
where it says 7 colon 34 for the time just now instead of 7 34. It’s even 
pronouncing commas sometimes. My group is set to some just as it has always 
been, which is also true for this phone. This is a 10 R, it is similarly 
upgraded to the latest released version, and it does not have this problem. 
Something got changed, and I can’t find what. Any ideas?


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Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after upgrade

[Mike B.]

Hi Mary,

Try the following suggestions from a query of the same nature with iOS14.
From: Chris Szostak
Hi All!

 I know a lot of us have had the really really annoying issue with VO 
14.3-14.4 reading all and often way more punctuation than wanted. If you 
have had
this problem, I found a solution on the VO bugs reporting list. at least two 
people there tried it with success and I have had the same results!

1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Activities.

2.  Do a 1-finger swipe down on programs until you hear delete and delete 
this.

 If like me after doing the above two steps, you end up getting VO reading 
no punctuation at this point unless you read by character , there is a 
really
simple solution. I had this problem and the following resolved it.

1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/rotor.

2.  Make sure punctuation is selected.

 This should resolve the problem, as long as your default is set  to some. 
If it is not set to some, do the following:

1.  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Verbosity/Punctuation/Active 
Punctuation Group.

2.  Make sure it is set to some or change the selection if that is not 
selected.

Chris

From: Dave Clement
Hi,
This sounds like the Voiceover "activity" bug. Try:
1. Go to Settings/Accessibility/Voiceover/Activities
2. Double tap on the "Programming" activity
3. Double tap on the "verbosity" setting
4. Set "punctuation" to none
I am assuming you are running IOS 14.x. This should fix your problem. This 
is a known bug but it would help if you report it to Apple. The more folk 
who
do, the higher the priority to fix it will rise.
Dave Clement

From: Lielle Ben Simon
Hi, regarding the reading punctuation marks, on Voice Over go to the 
"activity" and "set program" and delete this. I have made this changed this, 
and it
solved.
Liel

From: Simon A Fogarty
Have you changed your voice on the device?

If so try changing it back to the default voice and see what happens.

Simon


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 
From: Mary Otten
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation 
after upgrade


No. Not happening. I’ve been using Alex forever. It works fine on my iPhone 
XR. So there has to be something going on. I just set my punctuation to 
none, and the stupid voiceover keeps giving me all sorts of commas and all 
kinds of crap. Changing voices is not the answer, since it works great on 
this phone. So, what the heck am I doing wrong?



Sent from my iPhone


  On Jun 10, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
 wrote:


  
  Hi Mary, try to use an other voice.
  It's read this ponctuation mark wen we use in English US voices.
  Try to use an british or other English accent.
  It helped me.


  מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.
  0509549090
  לדף העסקי שלי:
  https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/



‫ב-11 ביוני 2022, בשעה 5:46, ‏‏Mary Otten ‏ כתב/ה:‬


I finally upgraded my 7+ to iOS 15. Five. And it is reading all sorts 
of unwanted punctuation, like,,.,: Etc. I have had my punctuation set to 
some which has worked great for as long as I can remember. I just went in 
and switch my punctuation to nun on this phone, and it is still reading all 
this garbage, colons and colons and commas etc. What am I doing wrong? This 
is unacceptable.


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Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

No. Not happening. I’ve been using Alex forever. It works fine on my iPhone XR. 
So there has to be something going on. I just set my punctuation to none, and 
the stupid voiceover keeps giving me all sorts of commas and all kinds of crap. 
Changing voices is not the answer, since it works great on this phone. So, what 
the heck am I doing wrong?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mary, try to use an other voice.
> It's read this ponctuation mark wen we use in English US voices.
> Try to use an british or other English accent.
> It helped me.
> 
> מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.
> 0509549090
> לדף העסקי שלי:
> https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/
>  
> 
>> ‫ב-11 ביוני 2022, בשעה 5:46, ‏‏Mary Otten ‏ כתב/ה:‬
>> 
>> I finally upgraded my 7+ to iOS 15. Five. And it is reading all sorts of 
>> unwanted punctuation, like,,.,: Etc. I have had my punctuation set to some 
>> which has worked great for as long as I can remember. I just went in and 
>> switch my punctuation to nun on this phone, and it is still reading all this 
>> garbage, colons and colons and commas etc. What am I doing wrong? This is 
>> unacceptable.
>> 
>> 
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Re: iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after upgrade

[Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi Mary, try to use an other voice.
It's read this ponctuation mark wen we use in English US voices.
Try to use an british or other English accent.
It helped me.

מילים באהבה שירותי תמלול.
0509549090
לדף העסקי שלי:
https://www.facebook.com/transcribes500/
 

> ‫ב-11 ביוני 2022, בשעה 5:46, ‏‏Mary Otten ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
> I finally upgraded my 7+ to iOS 15. Five. And it is reading all sorts of 
> unwanted punctuation, like,,.,: Etc. I have had my punctuation set to some 
> which has worked great for as long as I can remember. I just went in and 
> switch my punctuation to nun on this phone, and it is still reading all this 
> garbage, colons and colons and commas etc. What am I doing wrong? This is 
> unacceptable.
> 
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iPhone 7 Plus announcing all sorts of unwanted punctuation after upgrade

[Mary Otten]

I finally upgraded my 7+ to iOS 15. Five. And it is reading all sorts of 
unwanted punctuation, like,,.,: Etc. I have had my punctuation set to some 
which has worked great for as long as I can remember. I just went in and switch 
my punctuation to nun on this phone, and it is still reading all this garbage, 
colons and colons and commas etc. What am I doing wrong? This is unacceptable.


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Re: punctuation in voice over question

[Christina]

Go to the rotor and keep turning until you hear it say Activities. Then with 
one finger swipe down until you hear No activity selected. You may have 
accidentally selected the programming activity which makes VO read all of the 
punctuation.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I just tried a book in the Kindle app and had no punctuation.
> 
> I use the Tom Enhanced voice.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> My web site; https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Melissa Tucker
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 2:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: punctuation in voice over question
> 
> does anyone know why even though I set voice over to read no punctuation, it 
> does it anyway?  for example when reading a kindle book, I Have to hear all 
> punctuation.  Using an iphone 12 and latest ios update. 
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RE: punctuation in voice over question

[Richard Turner]

I just tried a book in the Kindle app and had no punctuation.

I use the Tom Enhanced voice.


Richard


My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Melissa 
Tucker
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 2:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: punctuation in voice over question

does anyone know why even though I set voice over to read no punctuation, it 
does it anyway?  for example when reading a kindle book, I Have to hear all 
punctuation.  Using an iphone 12 and latest ios update. 

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punctuation in voice over question

[Melissa Tucker]

does anyone know why even though I set voice over to read no punctuation, it 
does it anyway?  for example when reading a kindle book, I Have to hear all 
punctuation.  Using an iphone 12 and latest ios update. 

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RE: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Dave,

 

Thanks for alerting me to this setting. I’ve never messed with activities under 
the Voiceover settings so was not familiar with it. I’ve forwarded your post to 
my friend so we’ll see if that does the trick. Otherwise, as Richard suggested, 
I suspect a call to Apple Accessibility is called for.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 8:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after 
upgrading to iOS 15?

 

Hi, 

 

I ran into this problem when I updated to IOS 15 on my iphone 8. It turned out 
to be a problem with the "activity" option in Voiceover. I had an old activity 
which got activated that had verbosity settings that caused all punctuation to 
be spoken. I deleted that activity and my normal Voiceover settings took over 
again. 

 

Note that in IOS 15, many more Voiceover options can be set in an "activity". 

 

Dave Clement

Winnipeg MB

 


On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:09 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

I have not had any issues with punctuation since 15.1.1.

Have they tried different voices?

Next, would be contacting Apple Accessibility and see if they could run a 
diagnostic.

And there is always the trusty, somewhat of a pain, resetting network settings 
to scare away the Gremlins

 

 

 

Richard

 

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

website:  www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> 

 

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)





On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi List,

 

I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all 
punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to 
none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I 
recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those 
details are gone with the wind at this point.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any 
settings to check?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

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RE: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Get them to try changing the voice and see if it keeps happening.

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Lemly
Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2021 2:58 pm
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Subject: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after 
upgrading to iOS 15?

Hi List,

I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all 
punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to 
none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I 
recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those 
details are gone with the wind at this point.

Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any 
settings to check?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Alan Lemly
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Re: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Dave Clement]

Hi, 

I ran into this problem when I updated to IOS 15 on my iphone 8. It turned out 
to be a problem with the "activity" option in Voiceover. I had an old activity 
which got activated that had verbosity settings that caused all punctuation to 
be spoken. I deleted that activity and my normal Voiceover settings took over 
again. 

Note that in IOS 15, many more Voiceover options can be set in an "activity". 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB
 

On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:09 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


I have not had any issues with punctuation since 15.1.1.
Have they tried different voices?
Next, would be contacting Apple Accessibility and see if they could run a 
diagnostic.
And there is always the trusty, somewhat of a pain, resetting network settings 
to scare away the Gremlins



Richard

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all 
> punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to 
> none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I 
> recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those 
> details are gone with the wind at this point.
>  
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any 
> settings to check?
>  
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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Re: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Richard Turner]

I have not had any issues with punctuation since 15.1.1.
Have they tried different voices?
Next, would be contacting Apple Accessibility and see if they could run a 
diagnostic.
And there is always the trusty, somewhat of a pain, resetting network settings 
to scare away the Gremlins



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On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:


Hi List,

I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all 
punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to 
none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I 
recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those 
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Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all
punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to
none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I
recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those
details are gone with the wind at this point.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any
settings to check?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Richard,

Sorry. I thought you said you switched to All Punctuation. If you have it set 
to Some, I don't think you'll hear the commas.

Best,
Anna


> On Oct 2, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Ann,
> Do you understand there are no commas and I never screwed around with the 
> punctuation settings?
> As default behavior; this sucks!
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> website:  www.turner42.com
> 
> (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> The commas are probably there to slow down how quickly VoiceOver speaks what 
>> is being deleted. Punctuation groups are a nice feature that was added a 
>> couple of years ago. I suggest making a new group. You base a group on one 
>> of the existing groups and can then make modifications as needed. You can 
>> also change how VoiceOver pronounces certain things. for example, I have it 
>> pronounce braces as "Left brace" and "Right brace" instead of "Left curly 
>> bracket" and "Right curly bracket." Since most text-to-speech engines pause 
>> for commas, you could have it not speak commas to fix the deletion issue.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation.
>>> Something called Punctuation groups.  I was looking to see if they had 
>>> added a more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new 
>>> setting.
>>> I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all.
>>> But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple.
>>> While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" 
>>> or "comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written.  Very 
>>> annoying.  Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas?  I have no use for 
>>> hearing punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to 
>>> feel; but if using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful.
>>> 
>>> Contacting Apple would be my next step.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it." - Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> My Web site: 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C39b69d9ea9a0477749fe08d985c6edba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687911703764275%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=nflxcHQIKTUfCq5Kq2vpOKcHRgfphL6y4nK6kOGpVG0%3Dreserved=0
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>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:09 AM
>>> To: Abridged Recipients 
>>> Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation
>>> 
>>> How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or 
>>> question mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set 
>>> verbosity punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set 
>>> verbosity to "all", VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when 
>>> navigating e.g. when focus in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, 
>>> VoiceOver says  "unread comma Apple TV comma"
>>> Harry
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Re: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation

[Richard Turner]

Ann,
Do you understand there are no commas and I never screwed around with the 
punctuation settings?
As default behavior; this sucks!



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





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(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Richard,

The commas are probably there to slow down how quickly VoiceOver speaks what is 
being deleted. Punctuation groups are a nice feature that was added a couple of 
years ago. I suggest making a new group. You base a group on one of the 
existing groups and can then make modifications as needed. You can also change 
how VoiceOver pronounces certain things. for example, I have it pronounce 
braces as "Left brace" and "Right brace" instead of "Left curly bracket" and 
"Right curly bracket." Since most text-to-speech engines pause for commas, you 
could have it not speak commas to fix the deletion issue.

Best,
Anna


On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation.
Something called Punctuation groups.  I was looking to see if they had added a 
more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new setting.
I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all.
But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple.
While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" or 
"comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written.  Very annoying.  
Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas?  I have no use for hearing 
punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to feel; but if 
using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful.

Contacting Apple would be my next step.




Richard
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Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation

How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or question 
mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set verbosity 
punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set verbosity to "all", 
VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when navigating e.g. when focus 
in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, VoiceOver says  "unread comma 
Apple TV comma"
Harry

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Re: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Richard,

The commas are probably there to slow down how quickly VoiceOver speaks what is 
being deleted. Punctuation groups are a nice feature that was added a couple of 
years ago. I suggest making a new group. You base a group on one of the 
existing groups and can then make modifications as needed. You can also change 
how VoiceOver pronounces certain things. for example, I have it pronounce 
braces as "Left brace" and "Right brace" instead of "Left curly bracket" and 
"Right curly bracket." Since most text-to-speech engines pause for commas, you 
could have it not speak commas to fix the deletion issue.

Best,
Anna


> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation.
> Something called Punctuation groups.  I was looking to see if they had added 
> a more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new setting.
> I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all.
> But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple.
> While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" 
> or "comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written.  Very 
> annoying.  Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas?  I have no use for 
> hearing punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to feel; 
> but if using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful.
> 
> Contacting Apple would be my next step.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> - Jane Wagner
> 
> My Web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:09 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation
> 
> How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or 
> question mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set 
> verbosity punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set verbosity 
> to "all", VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when navigating e.g. 
> when focus in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, VoiceOver says  
> "unread comma Apple TV comma"
> Harry
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RE: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation

[Richard Turner]

I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation.
Something called Punctuation groups.  I was looking to see if they had added a 
more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new setting.
I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all.
But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple.
While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" or 
"comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written.  Very annoying.  
Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas?  I have no use for hearing 
punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to feel; but if 
using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful.

Contacting Apple would be my next step.




Richard
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-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:09 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation

How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or question 
mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set verbosity 
punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set verbosity to "all", 
VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when navigating e.g. when focus 
in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, VoiceOver says  "unread comma 
Apple TV comma"
Harry

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VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or question 
mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set verbosity 
punctuation to “some”, none of them are voiced. If I set verbosity to “all”, 
VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when navigating e.g. when focus 
in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, VoiceOver says  “unread comma 
Apple TV comma”
Harry

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Help needed with slide to type and punctuation

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I'm starting to play around with the slide to type keyboard setting with the
upcoming demise of FlickType. For those interested, I highly recommend the
9/18/19 podcast by Thomas Donville also known as AnonyMouse at AppleVis. The
title of the podcast is How to use the iOS quick path swipe keyboard with
Voiceover. Quick path was the official name of the setting although slide to
type is the name most used and what is used in the settings.

 

My question is how to get punctuation when using slide to type and composing
an on screen message. This will mainly be the period or full stop at the end
of a sentence. I thought I had auto punctuation turned on that would place a
period at sentence end by double tapping the spacebar but this is not
working. If anyone using Voiceover can let me know how to adjust my
punctuation settings so that I don't have to open the numbers screen on the
on screen keyboard to find the period, I'd very much appreciate it. Or if
there is a gesture I'm missing that speeds up the entry of punctuation, I'd
really like to know about it.

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: A Solution for VoiceOver's Having way TOOOOOOOO Much Punctuation

['cwc' via VIPhone]

I had to do a total restore, then, when I did, the problem still existed. I 
went back to reset and reset all settings. then it was fixed. 
unfortunately, I had to restore all of my settings. I am still finding 
settings that I forgot about.  

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 12:13:59 PM UTC-5 Chris Szostak wrote:

> Hi All!
>
>   I know a lot of us have had the really really annoying issue with VO 
> 14.3-14.4 reading all and often way more punctuation than wanted. If you 
> have had this problem, I found a solution on the VO bugs reporting list. at 
> least two people there tried it with success and I have had the same 
> results!
>
>  
>
> 1)  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Activities.
>
> 2)  Do a 1-finger swipe down on programs until you hear delete and delete 
> this.
>
>  
>
>   If like me after doing the above two steps, you end up getting VO 
> reading no punctuation at this point unless you read by character , there 
> is a really simple solution. I had this problem and the following resolved 
> it.
>
>  
>
> 1)  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/rotor.
>
> 2)  Make sure punctuation is selected.
>
>  
>
>   This should resolve the problem, as long as your default is set  to 
> some. If it is not set to some, do the following:
>
>  
>
> 1)  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Verbosity/Punctuation/Active 
> Punctuation Group.
>
> 2)  Make sure it is set to some or change the selection if that is not 
> selected.
>
>  
>
> Have a blessed day all!
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> "Your value is only what God says. He thinks YOU are worth dying for!" 
> (Our Daily Bread Ministries)
>
>  
>
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> 4:4 and then declare 1 Chronicles 29:13! If you want  to live with these 
> promises for all of eternity and avoid what you'll find in Revelation 
> 20:15, then I strongly urge you to follow and accept Romans 10:9-10 and 
> then ask Christ, through prayer into your life before it's too late! What 
> are you waiting for! It's the most amazing and life-changing decision you 
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Re: Mac OS Big Sur and punctuation settings

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> On Apr 15, 2021, at 1:02 AM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> I have come home! I have been away from the Mac world for a couple years, and 
> I just bought a Mac mini m1.  And I am loving it.  It has come far since I 
> remember Mac OS X a few years ago.
> 
> The reason I am on the Mac the majority of the time is that I’m doing doing 
> development in Xcode and doing Mac/iOS development.
> 
> I wanted to know, is it possible to enable all punctuation in a single 
> application? Lie a application specific setting?
> 
> If not, can I set the punctuation google with a hotkey so I can toggle it 
> when I need it?
> 
> And last but not least, in the same vane, on my iPhone I can add the 
> punctuation option to the VoiceOver rotor  so I can just change it via 
> ctrl+opt+cmd+[left/right/up/down arrows] ???
> 
> Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Juan
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Mac OS Big Sur and punctuation settings

[Juan Hernandez]

Hi All,

I have come home! I have been away from the Mac world for a couple years, and I 
just bought a Mac mini m1.  And I am loving it.  It has come far since I 
remember Mac OS X a few years ago.

The reason I am on the Mac the majority of the time is that I’m doing doing 
development in Xcode and doing Mac/iOS development.

I wanted to know, is it possible to enable all punctuation in a single 
application? Lie a application specific setting?

If not, can I set the punctuation google with a hotkey so I can toggle it when 
I need it?

And last but not least, in the same vane, on my iPhone I can add the 
punctuation option to the VoiceOver rotor  so I can just change it via 
ctrl+opt+cmd+[left/right/up/down arrows] ???

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Best,

Juan
 

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A Solution for VoiceOver's Having way TOOOOOOOO Much Punctuation

[Chris Szostak]

Hi All!

  I know a lot of us have had the really really annoying issue with VO
14.3-14.4 reading all and often way more punctuation than wanted. If you
have had this problem, I found a solution on the VO bugs reporting list. at
least two people there tried it with success and I have had the same
results!

 

1)  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Activities.

2)  Do a 1-finger swipe down on programs until you hear delete and delete
this.

 

  If like me after doing the above two steps, you end up getting VO reading
no punctuation at this point unless you read by character , there is a
really simple solution. I had this problem and the following resolved it.

 

1)  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/rotor.

2)  Make sure punctuation is selected.

 

  This should resolve the problem, as long as your default is set  to some.
If it is not set to some, do the following:

 

1)  In settings go to Accessibility/VoiceOver/Verbosity/Punctuation/Active
Punctuation Group.

2)  Make sure it is set to some or change the selection if that is not
selected.

 

Have a blessed day all!

Chris

 

"Your value is only what God says. He thinks YOU are worth dying for!" (Our
Daily Bread Ministries)

 

I dare you to give this a try! Believe in and start to live by the following
promises: Psalm 46 10a, Philippians 4:6-7, and Exodus 14:14. Oh, and when
they prove to be true in your life remember to follow Philippians 4:4 and
then declare 1 Chronicles 29:13! If you want  to live with these promises
for all of eternity and avoid what you'll find in Revelation 20:15, then I
strongly urge you to follow and accept Romans 10:9-10 and then ask Christ,
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Re: Can No Longer get iPhone to speak zero punctuation

[Lielle Ben Simonליאל בן סימון]

Hi, regarding the reading punctuation marks, on Voice Over go to the "activity" 
and "set program" and delete this. I have made this changed this, and it  
solved. 

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

> ‫ב-2 בפבר׳ 2021, בשעה 0:07, ‏‏Simon A Fogarty ‏ כתב/ה:‬
> 
> 
> Have you changed your voice on the device?
>  
> If so try changing it back to the default voice and see what happens.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> therealsandyfin...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2021 4:22 am
> To: iPhone list 
> Subject: Can No Longer get iPhone to speak zero punctuation
>  
> /For years I have had VoiceOver set to  speak zero punctuation and now I 
> cannot get that setting to work. Yes, I have punctuation selected in /rotor 
> actions and I have it set to “none.” In an attempt to solve this problem, I 
> found the Verbosity settings and set both active Punctuation Group and System 
> Groups to “None.”Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong?
>  
> Sandy Clearly, this is not sufficient, as /vO is still driving me nuts 
> reading commas, periods  and colons.  
>  
> I tried to problem solvew t this, ut to no avail.
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RE: Can No Longer get iPhone to speak zero punctuation

[Simon A Fogarty]

Have you changed your voice on the device?

If so try changing it back to the default voice and see what happens.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
therealsandyfin...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2021 4:22 am
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Subject: Can No Longer get iPhone to speak zero punctuation

/For years I have had VoiceOver set to  speak zero punctuation and now I cannot 
get that setting to work. Yes, I have punctuation selected in /rotor actions 
and I have it set to “none.” In an attempt to solve this problem, I found the 
Verbosity settings and set both active Punctuation Group and System Groups to 
“None.”Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong?

Sandy Clearly, this is not sufficient, as /vO is still driving me nuts reading 
commas, periods  and colons.

I tried to problem solvew t this, ut to no avail.
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Re: Can No Longer get iPhone to speak zero punctuation

[Sandy Finley]

Dave, thank you. It worked like a charm. I will report the bug to Apple.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Dave Clement  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> This sounds like the Voiceover "activity" bug. Try:
> 1. Go to Settings/Accessibility/Voiceover/Activities
> 2. Double tap on the "Programming" activity
> 3. Double tap on the "verbosity" setting
> 4. Set "punctuation" to none
> 
> I am assuming you are running IOS 14.x. This should fix your problem. This is 
> a known bug but it would help if you report it to Apple. The more folk who 
> do, the higher the priority to fix it will rise. 
> 
> Dave Clement
> Winnipeg MB
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2021, at 9:23 AM, therealsandyfin...@gmail.com wrote:
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> 
> /For years I have had VoiceOver set to  speak zero punctuation and now I 
> cannot get that setting to work. Yes, I have punctuation selected in /rotor 
> actions and I have it set to “none.” In an attempt to solve this problem, I 
> found the Verbosity settings and set both active Punctuation Group and System 
> Groups to “None.”Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong?
>  
> Sandy Clearly, this is not sufficient, as /vO is still driving me nuts 
> reading commas, periods  and colons.  
>  
> I tried to problem solvew t this, ut to no avail.
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Re: Can No Longer get iPhone to speak zero punctuation

[Dave Clement]

Hi, 

This sounds like the Voiceover "activity" bug. Try:
1. Go to Settings/Accessibility/Voiceover/Activities
2. Double tap on the "Programming" activity
3. Double tap on the "verbosity" setting
4. Set "punctuation" to none

I am assuming you are running IOS 14.x. This should fix your problem. This is a 
known bug but it would help if you report it to Apple. The more folk who do, 
the higher the priority to fix it will rise. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Feb 1, 2021, at 9:23 AM, therealsandyfin...@gmail.com wrote:


/For years I have had VoiceOver set to  speak zero punctuation and now I cannot 
get that setting to work. Yes, I have punctuation selected in /rotor actions 
and I have it set to “none.” In an attempt to solve this problem, I found the 
Verbosity settings and set both active Punctuation Group and System Groups to 
“None.”Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong?
 
Sandy Clearly, this is not sufficient, as /vO is still driving me nuts reading 
commas, periods  and colons.  
 
I tried to problem solvew t this, ut to no avail.
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Can No Longer get iPhone to speak zero punctuation

[therealsandyfinley]

/For years I have had VoiceOver set to  speak zero punctuation and now I
cannot get that setting to work. Yes, I have punctuation selected in /rotor
actions and I have it set to "none." In an attempt to solve this problem, I
found the Verbosity settings and set both active Punctuation Group and
System Groups to "None."Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong?

 

Sandy Clearly, this is not sufficient, as /vO is still driving me nuts
reading commas, periods  and colons.  

 

I tried to problem solvew t this, ut to no avail.

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RE: Problem with punctuation

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah it's been around for a while now and if you don't use a default voice then 
it's more likely to happen.

Glad I could help.

sf

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marcos 
Rodrigues
Sent: Saturday, 9 January 2021 8:42 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem with punctuation

Thanks, solved.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Yeah it's voice rrelated,
> 
> Change the voice you have for voiceover and it should correct itself.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marcos 
> Rodrigues
> Sent: Saturday, 9 January 2021 6:01 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Problem with punctuation
> 
> Good morning.
> 
> Since updatimg the last version of IOS, my voice over is reading all the 
> punctuation that appears everywhere  even though I set it to none on my 
> settings.
> 
> Any idea why this is happening and how to solve it?
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Problem with punctuation

[Marcos Rodrigues]

Thanks, solved.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Yeah it's voice rrelated,
> 
> Change the voice you have for voiceover and it should correct itself.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marcos 
> Rodrigues
> Sent: Saturday, 9 January 2021 6:01 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Problem with punctuation
> 
> Good morning.
> 
> Since updatimg the last version of IOS, my voice over is reading all the 
> punctuation that appears everywhere  even though I set it to none on my 
> settings.
> 
> Any idea why this is happening and how to solve it?
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Problem with punctuation

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah it's voice rrelated,

Change the voice you have for voiceover and it should correct itself.

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Subject: Problem with punctuation

Good morning.

Since updatimg the last version of IOS, my voice over is reading all the 
punctuation that appears everywhere  even though I set it to none on my 
settings.

Any idea why this is happening and how to solve it?

Regards.

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Re: Problem with punctuation

[Dave Clement]

Hello, 

Some folks have reported a similar problem. The solution I have read involves 
the Voiceover "activities" feature. 

1. Open the Voiceover settings
2. Open the "activities" option.
3. Double tap the "programming" item.
4. Find the "punctuation" setting and double tap.
5. Set this to "none". 

This seems to have resolved the problem for some others. Good luck. 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Jan 8, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Marcos Rodrigues  wrote:

It is set to none.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> 
> Have you checked to see If punctuations areif punctuation‘s are sent to all 
> some or none. It sounds like punctuations are set to all. If it’s in your 
> rotor it’ll be easy to do. Said it  to some  and that should work better. 
> Good luck. Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning.
>> 
>> Since updatimg the last version of IOS, my voice over is reading all the 
>> punctuation that appears everywhere  even though I set it to none on my 
>> settings.
>> 
>> Any idea why this is happening and how to solve it?
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Problem with punctuation

[Marcos Rodrigues]

It is set to none.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
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> Have you checked to see If punctuations areif punctuation‘s are sent to all 
> some or none. It sounds like punctuations are set to all. If it’s in your 
> rotor it’ll be easy to do. Said it  to some  and that should work better. 
> Good luck. Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning.
>> 
>> Since updatimg the last version of IOS, my voice over is reading all the 
>> punctuation that appears everywhere  even though I set it to none on my 
>> settings.
>> 
>> Any idea why this is happening and how to solve it?
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
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Re: Problem with punctuation

[Diane Giannetti]

Have you checked to see If punctuations areif punctuation‘s are sent to all 
some or none. It sounds like punctuations are set to all. If it’s in your rotor 
it’ll be easy to do. Said it  to some  and that should work better. Good luck. 
Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

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> wrote:
> 
> Good morning.
> 
> Since updatimg the last version of IOS, my voice over is reading all the 
> punctuation that appears everywhere  even though I set it to none on my 
> settings.
> 
> Any idea why this is happening and how to solve it?
> 
> Regards.
> 
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Problem with punctuation

[Marcos Rodrigues]

Good morning.

Since updatimg the last version of IOS, my voice over is reading all the 
punctuation that appears everywhere  even though I set it to none on my 
settings.

Any idea why this is happening and how to solve it?

Regards.

Sent from my iPhone

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wait with the updates - second bug about punctuation mentioned from Germans

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

 

Mary mentioned the first bug but there seems to be another one. 

 

I think most of us have puctuation set tos ome instead of all, but one
person reported that all punctuations are read even if set to none or some.
Maybe it is a glidge with his phone only but you'd better wait a few weeks
when I am hearing new bugs now.

 

Regards

Davy 

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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Annoying punctuation reading problem

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

hi,
I have had this problem on my iPhone 10 S max for about six months. I am still 
running iOS 13.7.
When this happens to me, intermittently, a triple click the side button to turn 
off voiceover and then click the side button three times to turn voiceover back 
on, and then it’s gone for a long time.
once, I found that my punctuation setting had changed from the some option to 
all punctuation. I have not noticed this happen frequently though.
Keith

On Oct 17, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:


I’ve not experienced this.
What voices are doing this?



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Annoying punctuation reading problem

Possibly due to having changed your voiceover voice

There is an issue where if you change your voiceover voice from the default 
then the punchuation issue kicks in to life.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of  
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Hi friends, i am runing ios14.01 and usis in Voice Over on iPhone XS. From 
unknown reason Boice Over started to read me every punctuation mark.it happands 
to me mostly on FaceBook app, i don’t know about other places. It driving me 
nuts. My punctuation is set on some defulte option. I don’t believe that it’s 
happands on my 30 years old berthday. Thanks a lot.
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RE: Annoying punctuation reading problem

[Richard Turner]

I’ve not experienced this.
What voices are doing this?



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Annoying punctuation reading problem

Possibly due to having changed your voiceover voice

There is an issue where if you change your voiceover voice from the default 
then the punchuation issue kicks in to life.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of  
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To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Annoying punctuation reading problem

Hi friends, i am runing ios14.01 and usis in Voice Over on iPhone XS. From 
unknown reason Boice Over started to read me every punctuation mark.it happands 
to me mostly on FaceBook app, i don’t know about other places. It driving me 
nuts. My punctuation is set on some defulte option. I don’t believe that it’s 
happands on my 30 years old berthday. Thanks a lot.
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RE: Annoying punctuation reading problem

[Simon A Fogarty]

Possibly due to having changed your voiceover voice

There is an issue where if you change your voiceover voice from the default 
then the punchuation issue kicks in to life.

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Subject: Annoying punctuation reading problem

Hi friends, i am runing ios14.01 and usis in Voice Over on iPhone XS. From 
unknown reason Boice Over started to read me every punctuation mark.it happands 
to me mostly on FaceBook app, i don’t know about other places. It driving me 
nuts. My punctuation is set on some defulte option. I don’t believe that it’s 
happands on my 30 years old berthday. Thanks a lot.
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Annoying punctuation reading problem

[ליאל בן סימון]

Hi friends, i am runing ios14.01 and usis in Voice Over on iPhone XS. From 
unknown reason Boice Over started to read me every punctuation mark.it happands 
to me mostly on FaceBook app, i don’t know about other places. It driving me 
nuts. My punctuation is set on some defulte option. I don’t believe that it’s 
happands on my 30 years old berthday. Thanks a lot.

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Re: has your punctuation level gone wild, like mine?

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

I had the same problem, did what you did, and the wild punctuation persisted.   
Days later and a replacement 6s phone, and the problem was gone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:21 AM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
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has your punctuation level gone wild, like mine?

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

hi,
I am running the latest commercial iOS on my iPhone XS Max. Punctuation has 
gone absolutely wild, mostly in the mail app, but also another apps in which I 
want to read text. I have consistently gone back and change punctuation level 
to none, but voiceover is reading every punctuation mark.
Is this a bug in the new iOS? Is there some other setting I need to think about 
in order to quiet this down?
Any help appreciated. Best, Keith

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Re: Punctuation in email

[Richard Turner]

I've never run into this.
Two questions, which voice are you using?
Do you have punctuation in the rotor?


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Oct 2, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn  
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My email is now reading all punctuation marks even though I have turned 
punctuation to none under accessibility and verbosity. Why is this so, and what 
can I do to change it?

Sent from my iPhone

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Punctuation in email

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

My email is now reading all punctuation marks even though I have turned 
punctuation to none under accessibility and verbosity. Why is this so, and what 
can I do to change it?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Voiceover Punctuation Level

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes, open VoiceOver settings, go to rotor, select punctuation, now use the 
rotor gesture until you get to punctuation and change it there.
> On 18 Sep 2017, at 15:33, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Is there any way to change the punctuation Voiceover does or doesn't speak? 
> I'm also wondering the same thing about VoiceDream Reader.
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Voiceover Punctuation Level

[Kelby Carlson]

Is there any way to change the punctuation Voiceover does or doesn't 
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Re: using punctuation and other features in dictating on iOS

[Wayne Scott]

Thank you very much! I copied it for my information as well.

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To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:15:21 +
Subject: Re: using punctuation and other features in dictating on 
iOS


Here is a rather extensive list of dictation commands from 
AppleVis, though it is not a podcast.

https://www.applevis.com/guides/ios/ios-7-siri-command-list


HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jun 25, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Michael D.  Ulrich 
<mulr...@centurylink.net<mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>> wrote:


Has anyone found this tutorial on how to properly use dictation 
yet?


Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!


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I am a
also interested in this.
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Subject: using punctuation and other features in dictating on iOS

hello everyone,
Last year I found a podcast that demonstrated dictation on the 
iphone.  It explained punctuation, going to a new paragraph, and 
many things that I was unaware of.  I have searched high and low 
for this podcast.  I searched applevis with no luck.  Does anyone 
else remember this podcast, or can anyone help with dictation.  I 
know how to insert basic punctuation, but, would like to learn 
more such as capitalization, new paragraph  Thanks in 
advance.  Candy


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RE: using punctuation and other features in dictating on iOS

[Richard Turner]

I will paste just the dictation commands from the list I sent earlier.  I’ve 
saved this as a word document.

Dictation
• "New line" (Move to the next line)
• "New paragraph" (Start a new paragraph)
• "Cap" (Capitalise the next word)
• "Caps on" ... "caps off" (Capitalise a section of text)
• "All caps" (Make the next word all uppercase)
• "All caps on" ... "all caps off" (Make part of what you say uppercase)
• "No caps" (Make the next word lowercase)
• "No caps on" ... "no caps off" (Make sure part of what you say is all 
lowercase)
• "Space bar" (Prevent a hyphen from appearing in a normally hyphenated word)
• "No space" (Prevent a space between words)
• "No space on" ... "no space off" (Prevent a section of text from having 
spaces between words)
• "Period" or "full stop" (Place a "."at the end of a sentence)
• "Dot"
• "Point"
• "Ellipsis" or "dot dot dot"
• "Comma"
• "Double comma"
• "Quote" or "quotation mark"
• "Quote ... end quote" or "quote ... close quote" (Place quotes around a 
section of text)
• "Apostrophe"
• "Exclamation point"
• "Inverted exclamation point"
• "Question mark"
• "Inverted question mark"
• "Ampersand"
• "Asterisk"
• "Open parenthesis"
• "Close parenthesis"
• "Open bracket"
• "Close bracket"
• "Open brace"
• "Close brace"
• "Dash"
• "Hyphen"
• "Em dash"
• "Underscore"
• "Percent sign"
• "Copyright sign"
• "Registered sign"
• "Section sign"
• "Dollar sign"
• "Cent sign"
• "Euro sign"
• "Yen sign"
• "Degree sign"
• "Caret"
• "At sign"
• "Pound sterling sign"
• "Pound sign"
• "Greater than sign"
• "Less than sign"
• "Forward slash"
• "Back slash"
• "Smiley" or "smiley face" or "smile face"
• "Frowny" or "frowny face" or "frown face"
• "Winky" or "winky face" or "wink face"
• "E.g." (pronounced as "e g")
• "i.e." (pronounced as "i e")

Part of the command list at:
https://www.applevis.com/guides/ios/ios-7-siri-command-list





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 4:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: using punctuation and other features in dictating on iOS

Here is a rather extensive list of dictation commands from AppleVis, though it 
is not a podcast.
https://www.applevis.com/guides/ios/ios-7-siri-command-list


HTH,
Richard




(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jun 25, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Michael D. Ulrich 
<mulr...@centurylink.net<mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>> wrote:
Has anyone found this tutorial on how to properly use dictation yet?

Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!



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<waynedscot...@gmail.com<mailto:waynedscot...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am a
also interested in this.
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Last year I found a podcast that demonstrated dictation on the iphone.  It 
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Candy

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Re: using punctuation and other features in dictating on iOS

[Richard Turner]

Here is a rather extensive list of dictation commands from AppleVis, though it 
is not a podcast.
https://www.applevis.com/guides/ios/ios-7-siri-command-list


HTH,
Richard



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On Jun 25, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Michael D. Ulrich 
<mulr...@centurylink.net<mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>> wrote:

Has anyone found this tutorial on how to properly use dictation yet?

Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!


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Last year I found a podcast that demonstrated dictation on the iphone.  It 
explained punctuation, going to a new paragraph, and many things that I was 
unaware of.  I have searched high and low for this podcast.  I searched 
applevis with no luck.  Does anyone else remember this podcast, or can anyone 
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Has anyone found this tutorial on how to properly use dictation yet?

Sent from a land far far away in a not so distant time zone!


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> hello everyone,
> Last year I found a podcast that demonstrated dictation on the iphone.  It 
> explained punctuation, going to a new paragraph, and many things that I was 
> unaware of.  I have searched high and low for this podcast.  I searched 
> applevis with no luck.  Does anyone else remember this podcast, or can anyone 
> help with dictation.  I know how to insert basic punctuation, but, would like 
> to learn more such as capitalization, new paragraph  Thanks in advance.  
> Candy
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Subject: using punctuation and other features in dictating on iOS

hello everyone,
Last year I found a podcast that demonstrated dictation on the 
iphone.  It explained punctuation, going to a new paragraph, and 
many things that I was unaware of.  I have searched high and low 
for this podcast.  I searched applevis with no luck.  Does anyone 
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know how to insert basic punctuation, but, would like to learn 
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[candyrlowe]

hello everyone,
Last year I found a podcast that demonstrated dictation on the iphone. It 
explained punctuation, going to a new paragraph, and many things that I was 
unaware of.  I have searched high and low for this podcast.  I searched 
applevis with no luck.  Does anyone else remember this podcast, or can anyone 
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Re: Vo speaking punctuation

[rajmund]

hi,
settings, general, accessibility, voiceover, rotor. put punctuation on 
it. then, twist rotor to punctuation, set it to none and enjoy. good to 
know there are others besides me, who can't stand it, by the way.


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Would someone please tell me how to get VO to stop speaking punctuation.  I 
find that to be quite annoying.

Thanks very much.

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Re: Vo speaking punctuation

[Alan Lemly]

Turn your rotor to punctuation and set it either to none or some. 

Alan Lemly 

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Would someone please tell me how to get VO to stop speaking punctuation.  I 
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Re: Siri & punctuation

[Keith B.]

Speaking of the texting abbreviations, I had a very humorous experience a 
while back that I shall relate. And by the way, I'm in my late 50's.

A lady close to my age was sending me text messages, and Voiceover would 
read the beginning of the messages as, "Hi, Grams". 

On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 11:37:54 PM UTC-6
, Robin Van Lant wrote:
>
> Is there a way to indicate a question mark if I am having Siri dictate a 
> text message for me and I’m 
>
I was about to confront her with the fact that I thought calling me "grams" 
was inappropriate as she is not my granddaughter. Then I thought to read by 
character with voiceover. What she intended to say was, "Hi. Good morning", 
using the g m as a text abbreviation for good morning. We all had a good 
laugh about it, and, yes, any texts I get from this person still say "Hi, 
Grams". 

> asking the recipient a question?   When I try, it captures the word 
> question. 
>
>  
>
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Re: Siri & punctuation

[Jewel]

My sister who is not far off 70 and is, relatively, new to texting enfuriates 
me when she uses shorthand such as writing u where she should be writing y o u.
I had reason to congratulate a young man, 18 years old I think, on the beauty 
of his texts, no shorthand, correct punctuation and everything.  He replied 
that it was showing respect, so from his reply, he may have texted his 
contemporary friends in a, completely, different style.

 Jewel


From: SSEric 
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Subject: RE: Siri & punctuation


I read something last week saying you are taken less seriously if you use 
punctuation in messages. I believe the study was of younger people. I don’t 
recall the ages when this does and does not apply.

 

No one should ever take me seriously!

 

Eric

 

 




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BBS
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri & punctuation

 

Yeah. Try saying question mark as opposed to just question.

 

 

Shawn

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VanLant
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Is there a way to indicate a question mark if I am having Siri dictate a text 
message for me and I’m asking the recipient a question?   When I try, it 
captures the word question. 

 

 

 

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Re: Siri & punctuation

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I also hate text writing, actually, and I'm actually younger than 18. IN my 
opinion, writing properly shows that the person cares. I totally understand 
your frustration. 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: Siri & punctuation

>
>
> My sister who is not far off 70 and is, relatively, new to texting enfuriates 
> me when she uses shorthand such as writing u where she should be writing y o 
> u.
> I had reason to congratulate a young man, 18 years old I think, on the beauty 
> of his texts, no shorthand, correct punctuation and everything.  He replied 
> that it was showing respect, so from his reply, he may have texted his 
> contemporary friends in a, completely, different style.
>  
>  Jewel
> 
> 
> From: SSEric 
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 3:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Siri & punctuation
> 
> 
> I read something last week saying you are taken less seriously if you use 
> punctuation in messages. I believe the study was of younger people. I don't 
> recall the ages when this does and does not apply.
>  
> No one should ever take me seriously!
>  
> Eric
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
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> Yeah. Try saying question mark as opposed to just question.
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Re: Siri & punctuation

[Monica Jones]

I just say the words, question mark and it puts it in. If you just say the 
word, question, it puts in the word.


From: R VanLant 
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Is there a way to indicate a question mark if I am having Siri dictate a text 
message for me and I’m asking the recipient a question?   When I try, it 
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RE: Siri & punctuation

[R VanLant]

I’ll try that again. Maybe it wasn’t hearing me say “Mark” before.

 

 

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Yeah. Try saying question mark as opposed to just question.

 

 

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Is there a way to indicate a question mark if I am having Siri dictate a text 
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Re: Siri & punctuation

[Rajmund]

Hello,
What happens if you say "Question mark"? Instead of question?



Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.

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RE: Siri & punctuation

[SSEric]

I read something last week saying you are taken less seriously if you use
punctuation in messages. I believe the study was of younger people. I don't
recall the ages when this does and does not apply.

 

No one should ever take me seriously!

 

Eric

 

 

  _  

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Yeah. Try saying question mark as opposed to just question.

 

 

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Is there a way to indicate a question mark if I am having Siri dictate a
text message for me and I'm asking the recipient a question?   When I try,
it captures the word question. 

 

 

 

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RE: Siri & punctuation

[BBS]

Yeah. Try saying question mark as opposed to just question.

 

 

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Is there a way to indicate a question mark if I am having Siri dictate a text 
message for me and I’m asking the recipient a question?   When I try, it 
captures the word question. 

 

 

 

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Siri & punctuation

[R VanLant]

Is there a way to indicate a question mark if I am having Siri dictate a
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Casey]

	hi so what windows voice do you like and currently use with your screen 
reader.




On 10/10/2015 8:45 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I think this falls under the category of the subjective nature  of speech 
synthesizers.  It is really a matter of personal preference.

I personally can't stand Eloquence or Keynote.
But that is my point, everyone hears differently and has different aspects of 
voices they like and dislike.

I truly hope you find a voice that works for you.

Take care,
Richard

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Rajmund
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:38 AM
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Hello,
I don't have windows, just heard it. I am used to eloquence, and the old 
keynote voice. Strangely, though, when I played with a first generation stream, 
on that, Samantha handled the punctuation marks better, in my opinion.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:29 pm
Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?




Which speech synthesizer are you using on Windows?
If you are also using Eloquence there, then it could be you are so used to the 
way Eloquence speaks that you have not gotten used to the other voices.
Hopefully, it will come in time.

Richard


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Rajmund
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hello,
Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do find 
punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that matter.. 
Oh, sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, and added the ' 
obviously I haven't.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?




I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 80% and 
85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for commas were very 
clear to me.
Richard



On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:06 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly better, 
but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,

Sent from an  IPad


On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:

I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on 
my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. I suppose it's 
something you get used to, because it's something I've never picked up on.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello All,
So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my signature 
suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, 
and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this will sound like  I'm 
picky, but really. I have the note takers on the fastest speech rate, and I 
find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% too slow, but if I 
increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but otherwise, 
too slow. So something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day 
though will sound the same. Its as if commas are completely ignored , rather 
than insert a pause, etc. Guess its the emotion, or something. Anyway, anyone 
noticed this? If so,  have you found a particular voice that was better at it 
than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British Siri, and 
just trying Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about 
it? Or do you just eventually get used to it?

PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
Anyway, many thanks!

Sent from a Braille Sense

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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I call it much worse things than that, which don't even use the VO initials.

But that's just Me.
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Oh Dear!  my little joke fell flat on its face!

 Jewel

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Hello,
No. VO stands for voice over. Just wondered, but thanks, anyway. :)

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:22 am
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> What voice am I using?  Search me!  I haven't a clue, but I did call her 
> Virginia Olorynshaw as I
> thount that, perhaps, that was what VO stood for!
>
> Jewel
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> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:56 PM
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>
> Hello,
> Which voice are you using?
> PS. I'm aiming for 100% eventually. :)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:38 am
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>
> >
> >
> > reading speed of 75/85%?  I can't take that in, or, rather, I can but 
> > am, completely
> > flabbergasted:  my flabber has never been so gasted!  I have mine set at 
> > 15/20%, and I can't see
> > myself ever asking Virginia Olarinshaw to go any faster!
> >
> >  Jewel
> > ------
> > From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:34 AM
> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >
> > I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> > American Siri voices
> > all
> > the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on my Mac. so I have a 
> > lot of experience at
> > the
> > speed you're using. I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's 
> > something I've never
> > picked up on.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > > So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > > signature suggests, am
> > > coming
> > > from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, and a few 
> > > others. So here's my
> > > issue.
> > > And I know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note 
> > > takers on the fastest
> > > speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 
> > > 75% too slow, but if I
> > > increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but 
> > > otherwise, too slow. So
> > > something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will 
> > > sound the same. Its
> > > as
> > > if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess 
> > > its the emotion, or
> > > something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a 
> > > particular voice that was
> > > better
> > > at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British 
> > > Siri, and just trying
> > > Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about it? 
> > > Or do you just
> > > eventually
> > > get used to it?
> > >
> > > PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> > > Otherwise,,  too slow.
> > > And
> > > I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> > > Anyway, many thanks!
> > >
> > > Sent from a Braille Sense
> > >
> > > -- 
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> > > list.
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Rajmund]

Hello, can I know them off list, just in case please?

- Original Message -
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, October 12, 2015 11:18 am
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> I call it much worse things than that, which don't even use the VO initials.
> 
> But that's just Me.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> 
> Oh Dear!  my little joke fell flat on its face!
> 
>  Jewel
> 
> --
> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:36 PM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> Hello,
> No. VO stands for voice over. Just wondered, but thanks, anyway. :)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:22 am
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> >
> >
> > What voice am I using?  Search me!  I haven't a clue, but I did call her 
> > Virginia Olorynshaw as I
> > thount that, perhaps, that was what VO stood for!
> >
> > Jewel
> >
> > ------
> > From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:56 PM
> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >
> > Hello,
> > Which voice are you using?
> > PS. I'm aiming for 100% eventually. :)
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:38 am
> > Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > reading speed of 75/85%?  I can't take that in, or, rather, I can but 
> > > am, completely
> > > flabbergasted:  my flabber has never been so gasted!  I have mine set at 
> > > 15/20%, and I can't see
> > > myself ever asking Virginia Olarinshaw to go any faster!
> > >
> > >  Jewel
> > > --
> > > From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:34 AM
> > > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> > >
> > > I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> > > American Siri voices
> > > all
> > > the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on my Mac. so I have 
> > > a lot of experience at
> > > the
> > > speed you're using. I suppose it's something you get used to, because 
> > > it's something I've never
> > > picked up on.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello All,
> > > > So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > > > signature suggests, am
> > > > coming
> > > > from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, and a few 
> > > > others. So here's my
> > > > issue.
> > > > And I know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note 
> > > > takers on the fastest
> > > > speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 
> > > > 75% too slow, but if I
> > > > increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but 
> > > > otherwise, too slow. So
> > > > something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though 
> > > > will sound the same. Its
> > > > as
> > > > if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. 
> > > > Guess its the emotion, or
> > > > something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a 
> > > > particular voice that was
> > > > better
> > > > at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British 
> > > > Siri, and just trying
> > > > Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me 

Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Which voice are you using?
PS. I'm aiming for 100% eventually. :)

- Original Message -
From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:38 am
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> reading speed of 75/85%?  I can't take that in, or, rather, I can but am, 
> completely 
> flabbergasted:  my flabber has never been so gasted!  I have mine set at 
> 15/20%, and I can't see 
> myself ever asking Virginia Olarinshaw to go any faster!
> 
>  Jewel
> --
> From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:34 AM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> American Siri voices all 
> the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on my Mac. so I have a 
> lot of experience at the 
> speed you're using. I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's 
> something I've never 
> picked up on.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> > So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > signature suggests, am coming 
> > from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, and a few others. 
> > So here's my issue. 
> > And I know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note 
> > takers on the fastest 
> > speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% 
> > too slow, but if I 
> > increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but 
> > otherwise, too slow. So 
> > something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will 
> > sound the same. Its as 
> > if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess 
> > its the emotion, or 
> > something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a particular 
> > voice that was better 
> > at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British 
> > Siri, and just trying 
> > Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about it? Or 
> > do you just eventually 
> > get used to it?
> >
> > PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> > Otherwise,,  too slow. And 
> > I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> > Anyway, many thanks!
> >
> > Sent from a Braille Sense
> >
> > -- 
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
No. VO stands for voice over. Just wondered, but thanks, anyway. :)

- Original Message -
From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:22 am
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> What voice am I using?  Search me!  I haven't a clue, but I did call her 
> Virginia Olorynshaw as I 
> thount that, perhaps, that was what VO stood for!
> 
> Jewel
> 
> --
> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:56 PM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> Hello,
> Which voice are you using?
> PS. I'm aiming for 100% eventually. :)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:38 am
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> >
> >
> > reading speed of 75/85%?  I can't take that in, or, rather, I can but 
> > am, completely
> > flabbergasted:  my flabber has never been so gasted!  I have mine set at 
> > 15/20%, and I can't see
> > myself ever asking Virginia Olarinshaw to go any faster!
> >
> >  Jewel
> > --
> > From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:34 AM
> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >
> > I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> > American Siri voices all
> > the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on my Mac. so I have a 
> > lot of experience at 
> > the
> > speed you're using. I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's 
> > something I've never
> > picked up on.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > > So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > > signature suggests, am 
> > > coming
> > > from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, and a few 
> > > others. So here's my issue.
> > > And I know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note 
> > > takers on the fastest
> > > speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 
> > > 75% too slow, but if I
> > > increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but 
> > > otherwise, too slow. So
> > > something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will 
> > > sound the same. Its as
> > > if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess 
> > > its the emotion, or
> > > something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a 
> > > particular voice that was 
> > > better
> > > at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British 
> > > Siri, and just trying
> > > Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about it? 
> > > Or do you just 
> > > eventually
> > > get used to it?
> > >
> > > PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> > > Otherwise,,  too slow. 
> > > And
> > > I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> > > Anyway, many thanks!
> > >
> > > Sent from a Braille Sense
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone 
> > > list.
> > >
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Jewel]

What voice am I using?  Search me!  I haven't a clue, but I did call her 
Virginia Olorynshaw as I 
thount that, perhaps, that was what VO stood for!

Jewel

--
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:56 PM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Hello,
Which voice are you using?
PS. I'm aiming for 100% eventually. :)

- Original Message -
From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:38 am
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> reading speed of 75/85%?  I can't take that in, or, rather, I can but am, 
> completely
> flabbergasted:  my flabber has never been so gasted!  I have mine set at 
> 15/20%, and I can't see
> myself ever asking Virginia Olarinshaw to go any faster!
>
>  Jewel
> --
> From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:34 AM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>
> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> American Siri voices all
> the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on my Mac. so I have a 
> lot of experience at 
> the
> speed you're using. I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's 
> something I've never
> picked up on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> > So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > signature suggests, am 
> > coming
> > from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, and a few others. 
> > So here's my issue.
> > And I know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note 
> > takers on the fastest
> > speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% 
> > too slow, but if I
> > increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but 
> > otherwise, too slow. So
> > something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will 
> > sound the same. Its as
> > if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess 
> > its the emotion, or
> > something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a particular 
> > voice that was 
> > better
> > at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British 
> > Siri, and just trying
> > Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about it? Or 
> > do you just 
> > eventually
> > get used to it?
> >
> > PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> > Otherwise,,  too slow. 
> > And
> > I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> > Anyway, many thanks!
> >
> > Sent from a Braille Sense
> >
> > -- 
> > The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list.
> >
> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> > you feel that a
> > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators 
> > directly rather than
> > posting on the list itself.
> >
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> >
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Jewel]

Oh Dear!  my little joke fell flat on its face!

 Jewel

--
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:36 PM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Hello,
No. VO stands for voice over. Just wondered, but thanks, anyway. :)

- Original Message -
From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:22 am
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> What voice am I using?  Search me!  I haven't a clue, but I did call her 
> Virginia Olorynshaw as I
> thount that, perhaps, that was what VO stood for!
>
> Jewel
>
> --
> From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:56 PM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>
> Hello,
> Which voice are you using?
> PS. I'm aiming for 100% eventually. :)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:38 am
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>
> >
> >
> > reading speed of 75/85%?  I can't take that in, or, rather, I can but 
> > am, completely
> > flabbergasted:  my flabber has never been so gasted!  I have mine set at 
> > 15/20%, and I can't see
> > myself ever asking Virginia Olarinshaw to go any faster!
> >
> >  Jewel
> > ------
> > From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:34 AM
> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >
> > I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> > American Siri voices 
> > all
> > the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on my Mac. so I have a 
> > lot of experience at
> > the
> > speed you're using. I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's 
> > something I've never
> > picked up on.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > > So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > > signature suggests, am
> > > coming
> > > from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, and a few 
> > > others. So here's my 
> > > issue.
> > > And I know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note 
> > > takers on the fastest
> > > speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 
> > > 75% too slow, but if I
> > > increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but 
> > > otherwise, too slow. So
> > > something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will 
> > > sound the same. Its 
> > > as
> > > if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess 
> > > its the emotion, or
> > > something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a 
> > > particular voice that was
> > > better
> > > at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British 
> > > Siri, and just trying
> > > Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about it? 
> > > Or do you just
> > > eventually
> > > get used to it?
> > >
> > > PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> > > Otherwise,,  too slow.
> > > And
> > > I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> > > Anyway, many thanks!
> > >
> > > Sent from a Braille Sense
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone 
> > > list.
> > >
> > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
> > > if you feel that a
> > > member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators 
> > > directly rather than
> > > posting on the list itself.
> > >
> > > Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> > > caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> > >
> > > The archives for this list can be searched at
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/.

Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[rajmund]

hello,
Its OK, though; don't woroy about it.

Sent from a BrailleNote

- Original Message -
From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:32:05 +1300
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Oh Dear!  my little joke fell flat on its face!

Jewel

--
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:36 PM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Hello,
No.  VO stands for voice over.  Just wondered, but thanks, 
anyway.  :)


- Original Message -
From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:22 am
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?



What voice am I using?  Search me!  I haven't a clue, but I did 
call her Virginia Olorynshaw as I

thount that, perhaps, that was what VO stood for!

Jewel

--
From: "Rajmund" <brajmund2...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:56 PM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Hello,
Which voice are you using?
PS.  I'm aiming for 100% eventually.  :)

- Original Message -
From: Jewel  <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2015 1:38 am
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?



reading speed of 75/85%?  I can't take that in, or, rather, 
I can but am, completely
flabbergasted:  my flabber has never been so gasted!  I have 
mine set at 15/20%, and I can't see

myself ever asking Virginia Olarinshaw to go any faster!

 Jewel
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From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:34 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

I have to say, I've never experienced this.  I use Samantha or 
one of the American Siri voices

all
the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on my Mac.  
so I have a lot of experience at

the
speed you're using.  I suppose it's something you get used to, 
because it's something I've never

picked up on.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hello All,
So, let me just try and explain this.  As many of you know, and 
as my signature suggests, am

coming
from note takers.  So that's mainly things like eloquence, and a 
few others.  So here's my

issue.
And I know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really.  I have 
the note takers on the fastest
speech rate, and I find them too slow.  With voice over, 
however, I find 75% too slow, but if I
increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, 
but otherwise, too slow.  So
something like I had a nice day, though.  And i had a nice day 
though will sound the same.  Its

as
if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, 
etc.  Guess its the emotion, or
something.  Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found 
a particular voice that was

better
at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female 
British Siri, and just trying
Alex.  But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me 
about it? Or do you just

eventually
get used to it?

PS.  When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its 
too quick.  Otherwise,,  too slow.

And
I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
Anyway, many thanks!

Sent from a Braille Sense

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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't understand the statement that Eloquence is all that HIMS has. I 
have a Booksense from HIMS, and it doesn't have Eloquence. I believe it 
uses Neospeech voices.


IMHO, I certainly agree people can have preferences, and I'd never 
question anyone else's preferences, but I've never had a problem getting 
used to a new speech synthesizer. I remember preferring the old Echo PC 
over the DEC Talk because although the voice might not have been as 
pleasant, the synthesizer was much more responsive. Right now I prefer 
eSpeak and Eloquence, although I also use Samantha and the Google TTS 
daily, because I just think I'm more productive and efficient with those 
synthesizers. I still find them more responsive, and the more "robotic" 
voices, lend themselves to greater speaking rates, at least in my opinion.


On 10/10/2015 08:59 AM, Rajmund wrote:

Hello, Actually, I don't use eloquence because of pleasure. I use it because 
that's all HIMS has. I like keynote, I'll  admit that. But  I'm still saying, 
that while it may not ignore it, the way voice over itself handles punctuation 
is different to everything I have heard in my life. Because some voices handle 
it well on other products, and all voices do the same, I think its the way 
apple has it. Well, I'll get used to  it. Thanks all :)

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:55 pm
Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?




I think this falls under the category of the subjective nature  of speech 
synthesizers.  It is really a matter of personal preference.

I personally can't stand Eloquence or Keynote.
But that is my point, everyone hears differently and has different aspects of 
voices they like and dislike.

I truly hope you find a voice that works for you.

Take care,
Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Hello,
I don't have windows, just heard it. I am used to eloquence, and the old 
keynote voice. Strangely, though, when I played with a first generation stream, 
on that, Samantha handled the punctuation marks better, in my opinion.

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:29 pm
Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?




Which speech synthesizer are you using on Windows?
If you are also using Eloquence there, then it could be you are so used to the 
way Eloquence speaks that you have not gotten used to the other voices.
Hopefully, it will come in time.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Hello,
Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do find 
punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that matter.. 
Oh, sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, and added the ' 
obviously I haven't.

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?




I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 80% and 
85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for commas were very 
clear to me.
Richard



On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:06 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly better, 
but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,

Sent from an  IPad


On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:

I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on 
my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. I suppose it's 
something you get used to, because it's something I've never picked up on.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello All,
So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my signature 
suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, 
and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this will sound like  I'm 
picky, but really. I have the note takers on the fastest speech rate, and I 
find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% too slow, but if I 
increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but otherwise, 
too slow. So something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day

Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I have a braille sense, though, not a book sense. This is an eloquence only 
device. And its not that I can't get used to new things, its just as if voice 
over doesn't consider them enough, regardless of what voice. 

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain  <chalt...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> I don't understand the statement that Eloquence is all that HIMS has. I 
> have a Booksense from HIMS, and it doesn't have Eloquence. I believe it 
> uses Neospeech voices.
> 
> IMHO, I certainly agree people can have preferences, and I'd never 
> question anyone else's preferences, but I've never had a problem getting 
> used to a new speech synthesizer. I remember preferring the old Echo PC 
> over the DEC Talk because although the voice might not have been as 
> pleasant, the synthesizer was much more responsive. Right now I prefer 
> eSpeak and Eloquence, although I also use Samantha and the Google TTS 
> daily, because I just think I'm more productive and efficient with those 
> synthesizers. I still find them more responsive, and the more "robotic" 
> voices, lend themselves to greater speaking rates, at least in my opinion.
> 
> On 10/10/2015 08:59 AM, Rajmund wrote:
> > Hello, Actually, I don't use eloquence because of pleasure. I use it 
> > because that's all HIMS has. I like keynote, I'll  admit that. But  I'm 
> > still saying, that while it may not ignore it, the way voice over itself 
> > handles punctuation is different to everything I have heard in my life. 
> > Because some voices handle it well on other products, and all voices do the 
> > same, I think its the way apple has it. Well, I'll get used to  it. Thanks 
> > all :)
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:55 pm
> > Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I think this falls under the category of the subjective nature  of speech 
> >> synthesizers.  It is really a matter of personal preference.
> >>
> >> I personally can't stand Eloquence or Keynote.
> >> But that is my point, everyone hears differently and has different aspects 
> >> of voices they like and dislike.
> >>
> >> I truly hope you find a voice that works for you.
> >>
> >> Take care,
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >> Of Rajmund
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:38 AM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> I don't have windows, just heard it. I am used to eloquence, and the old 
> >> keynote voice. Strangely, though, when I played with a first generation 
> >> stream, on that, Samantha handled the punctuation marks better, in my 
> >> opinion..
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:29 pm
> >> Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Which speech synthesizer are you using on Windows?
> >>> If you are also using Eloquence there, then it could be you are so used 
> >>> to the way Eloquence speaks that you have not gotten used to the other 
> >>> voices.
> >>> Hopefully, it will come in time.
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> >>> Behalf Of Rajmund
> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:58 AM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do 
> >>> find punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that 
> >>> matter.. Oh, sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, 
> >>> and added the ' obviously I haven't.
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>

Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Rajmund]

Hello, Actually, I don't use eloquence because of pleasure. I use it because 
that's all HIMS has. I like keynote, I'll  admit that. But  I'm still saying, 
that while it may not ignore it, the way voice over itself handles punctuation 
is different to everything I have heard in my life. Because some voices handle 
it well on other products, and all voices do the same, I think its the way 
apple has it. Well, I'll get used to  it. Thanks all :)

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:55 pm
Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> I think this falls under the category of the subjective nature  of speech 
> synthesizers.  It is really a matter of personal preference.
> 
> I personally can't stand Eloquence or Keynote.
> But that is my point, everyone hears differently and has different aspects of 
> voices they like and dislike.  
> 
> I truly hope you find a voice that works for you.
> 
> Take care,
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> Hello,
> I don't have windows, just heard it. I am used to eloquence, and the old 
> keynote voice. Strangely, though, when I played with a first generation 
> stream, on that, Samantha handled the punctuation marks better, in my 
> opinion. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:29 pm
> Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> >
> >
> > Which speech synthesizer are you using on Windows?
> > If you are also using Eloquence there, then it could be you are so used to 
> > the way Eloquence speaks that you have not gotten used to the other voices.
> > Hopefully, it will come in time.
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Rajmund
> > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:58 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> > 
> > Hello,
> > Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do find 
> > punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that 
> > matter.. Oh, sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, and 
> > added the ' obviously I haven't. 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 pm
> > Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 
> > > 80% and 85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for 
> > > commas were very clear to me.
> > > Richard
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:06 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly 
> > > > better, but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,
> > > > 
> > > > Sent from an  IPad
> > > > 
> > > >> On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of 
> > > >> the American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and 
> > > >> I use Alex on my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed 
> > > >> you're using. I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's 
> > > >> something I've never picked up on.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> 
> > > >>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Hello All,
> > > >>> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > > >>> signature suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly 
> > > >>> things like eloquence, and a few others. So here's my issue. And I 
> > > >>> know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note 
> > 

RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Richard Turner]

I think Rajmund was talking about the Braille Sense.  
The BookSense does only have NeoSpeech voices as far as I know.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

I don't understand the statement that Eloquence is all that HIMS has. I 
have a Booksense from HIMS, and it doesn't have Eloquence. I believe it 
uses Neospeech voices.

IMHO, I certainly agree people can have preferences, and I'd never 
question anyone else's preferences, but I've never had a problem getting 
used to a new speech synthesizer. I remember preferring the old Echo PC 
over the DEC Talk because although the voice might not have been as 
pleasant, the synthesizer was much more responsive. Right now I prefer 
eSpeak and Eloquence, although I also use Samantha and the Google TTS 
daily, because I just think I'm more productive and efficient with those 
synthesizers. I still find them more responsive, and the more "robotic" 
voices, lend themselves to greater speaking rates, at least in my opinion.

On 10/10/2015 08:59 AM, Rajmund wrote:
> Hello, Actually, I don't use eloquence because of pleasure. I use it because 
> that's all HIMS has. I like keynote, I'll  admit that. But  I'm still saying, 
> that while it may not ignore it, the way voice over itself handles 
> punctuation is different to everything I have heard in my life. Because some 
> voices handle it well on other products, and all voices do the same, I think 
> its the way apple has it. Well, I'll get used to  it. Thanks all :)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:55 pm
> Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>
>>
>>
>> I think this falls under the category of the subjective nature  of speech 
>> synthesizers.  It is really a matter of personal preference.
>>
>> I personally can't stand Eloquence or Keynote.
>> But that is my point, everyone hears differently and has different aspects 
>> of voices they like and dislike.
>>
>> I truly hope you find a voice that works for you.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Richard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rajmund
>> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>>
>> Hello,
>> I don't have windows, just heard it. I am used to eloquence, and the old 
>> keynote voice. Strangely, though, when I played with a first generation 
>> stream, on that, Samantha handled the punctuation marks better, in my 
>> opinion.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:29 pm
>> Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which speech synthesizer are you using on Windows?
>>> If you are also using Eloquence there, then it could be you are so used to 
>>> the way Eloquence speaks that you have not gotten used to the other voices.
>>> Hopefully, it will come in time.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Rajmund
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:58 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do find 
>>> punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that 
>>> matter.. Oh, sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, and 
>>> added the ' obviously I haven't.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 pm
>>> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 
>>>> 80% and 85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for commas 
>>>> were very clear to me.
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 10, 

Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Jewel]

reading speed of 75/85%?  I can't take that in, or, rather, I can but am, 
completely 
flabbergasted:  my flabber has never been so gasted!  I have mine set at 
15/20%, and I can't see 
myself ever asking Virginia Olarinshaw to go any faster!

 Jewel
--
From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:34 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
American Siri voices all 
the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on my Mac. so I have a lot 
of experience at the 
speed you're using. I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's 
something I've never 
picked up on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> signature suggests, am coming 
> from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, and a few others. 
> So here's my issue. 
> And I know this will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note 
> takers on the fastest 
> speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% 
> too slow, but if I 
> increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but otherwise, 
> too slow. So 
> something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will 
> sound the same. Its as 
> if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess its 
> the emotion, or 
> something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a particular 
> voice that was better 
> at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British Siri, 
> and just trying 
> Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about it? Or do 
> you just eventually 
> get used to it?
>
> PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> Otherwise,,  too slow. And 
> I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> Anyway, many thanks!
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
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VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Rajmund]

Hello All,
So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my signature 
suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things like eloquence, 
and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this will sound like  I'm 
picky, but really. I have the note takers on the fastest speech rate, and I 
find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% too slow, but if I 
increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, but otherwise, 
too slow. So something like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day 
though will sound the same. Its as if commas are completely ignored , rather 
than insert a pause, etc. Guess its the emotion, or something. Anyway, anyone 
noticed this? If so,  have you found a particular voice that was better at it 
than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British Siri, and 
just trying Alex. But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about 
it? Or do you just eventually get used to it?

PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
Anyway, many thanks!

Sent from a Braille Sense 

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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[rajmund]

Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly better, 
but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,

Sent from an  IPad

> On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex 
> on my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. I suppose 
> it's something you get used to, because it's something I've never picked up 
> on.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
>> signature suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things like 
>> eloquence, and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this will sound 
>> like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note takers on the fastest speech 
>> rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% too 
>> slow, but if I increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long 
>> passage, but otherwise, too slow. So something like I had a nice day, 
>> though. And i had a nice day though will sound the same. Its as if commas 
>> are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess its the 
>> emotion, or something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a 
>> particular voice that was better at it than others? I have so far tried 
>> Daniel, Samantha, Female British Siri, and just trying Alex. But if someone 
>> does know of something, please, tell  me about it? Or do you just eventually 
>> get used to it?
>> 
>> PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
>> Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
>> Anyway, many thanks!
>> 
>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Richard Turner]

I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 80% and 
85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for commas were very 
clear to me.
Richard


> On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:06 AM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly better, 
> but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,
> 
> Sent from an  IPad
> 
>> On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
>> American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex 
>> on my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. I 
>> suppose it's something you get used to, because it's something I've never 
>> picked up on.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
>>> signature suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things 
>>> like eloquence, and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this will 
>>> sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note takers on the fastest 
>>> speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% 
>>> too slow, but if I increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long 
>>> passage, but otherwise, too slow. So something like I had a nice day, 
>>> though. And i had a nice day though will sound the same. Its as if commas 
>>> are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess its the 
>>> emotion, or something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found 
>>> a particular voice that was better at it than others? I have so far tried 
>>> Daniel, Samantha, Female British Siri, and just trying Alex. But if someone 
>>> does know of something, please, tell  me about it? Or do you just 
>>> eventually get used to it?
>>> 
>>> PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
>>> Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
>>> Anyway, many thanks!
>>> 
>>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Alex Hall]

I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use Alex on 
my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. I suppose it's 
something you get used to, because it's something I've never picked up on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> signature suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things like 
> eloquence, and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this will sound 
> like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note takers on the fastest speech 
> rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, I find 75% too 
> slow, but if I increase it, I understand no word, if it reads a long passage, 
> but otherwise, too slow. So something like I had a nice day, though. And i 
> had a nice day though will sound the same. Its as if commas are completely 
> ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess its the emotion, or 
> something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have you found a particular 
> voice that was better at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, 
> Samantha, Female British Siri, and just trying Alex. But if someone does know 
> of something, please, tell  me about it? Or do you just eventually get used 
> to it?
> 
> PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> Anyway, many thanks!
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do find 
punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that matter. Oh, 
sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, and added the ' 
obviously I haven't. 

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 80% 
> and 85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for commas were 
> very clear to me.
> Richard
> 
> 
> > On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:06 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly 
> > better, but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,
> > 
> > Sent from an  IPad
> > 
> >> On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> >> American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use 
> >> Alex on my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. I 
> >> suppose it's something you get used to, because it's something I've never 
> >> picked up on.
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello All,
> >>> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> >>> signature suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things 
> >>> like eloquence, and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this 
> >>> will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note takers on the 
> >>> fastest speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, 
> >>> I find 75% too slow, but if I increase it, I understand no word, if it 
> >>> reads a long passage, but otherwise, too slow. So something like I had a 
> >>> nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will sound the same. Its as 
> >>> if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess 
> >>> its the emotion, or something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have 
> >>> you found a particular voice that was better at it than others? I have so 
> >>> far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British Siri, and just trying Alex. 
> >>> But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about it? Or do 
> >>> you just eventually get used to it?
> >>> 
> >>> PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> >>> Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> >>> Anyway, many thanks!
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
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RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Richard Turner]

Which speech synthesizer are you using on Windows?
If you are also using Eloquence there, then it could be you are so used to the 
way Eloquence speaks that you have not gotten used to the other voices.
Hopefully, it will come in time.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Hello,
Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do find 
punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that matter. Oh, 
sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, and added the ' 
obviously I haven't. 

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 80% 
> and 85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for commas were 
> very clear to me.
> Richard
> 
> 
> > On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:06 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly 
> > better, but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,
> > 
> > Sent from an  IPad
> > 
> >> On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> >> American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use 
> >> Alex on my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. I 
> >> suppose it's something you get used to, because it's something I've never 
> >> picked up on.
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello All,
> >>> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> >>> signature suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things 
> >>> like eloquence, and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this 
> >>> will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note takers on the 
> >>> fastest speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, however, 
> >>> I find 75% too slow, but if I increase it, I understand no word, if it 
> >>> reads a long passage, but otherwise, too slow. So something like I had a 
> >>> nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will sound the same. Its as 
> >>> if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert a pause, etc. Guess 
> >>> its the emotion, or something. Anyway, anyone noticed this? If so,  have 
> >>> you found a particular voice that was better at it than others? I have so 
> >>> far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British Siri, and just trying Alex. 
> >>> But if someone does know of something, please, tell  me about it? Or do 
> >>> you just eventually get used to it?
> >>> 
> >>> PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> >>> Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> >>> Anyway, many thanks!
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> >>> 
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Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I don't have windows, just heard it. I am used to eloquence, and the old 
keynote voice. Strangely, though, when I played with a first generation stream, 
on that, Samantha handled the punctuation marks better, in my opinion. 

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:29 pm
Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> Which speech synthesizer are you using on Windows?
> If you are also using Eloquence there, then it could be you are so used to 
> the way Eloquence speaks that you have not gotten used to the other voices.
> Hopefully, it will come in time.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> Hello,
> Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do find 
> punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that matter.. 
> Oh, sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, and added the ' 
> obviously I haven't. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 pm
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> >
> >
> > I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 80% 
> > and 85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for commas were 
> > very clear to me.
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:06 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly 
> > > better, but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,
> > > 
> > > Sent from an  IPad
> > > 
> > >> On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> > >> American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use 
> > >> Alex on my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. 
> > >> I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's something I've 
> > >> never picked up on.
> > >> 
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> 
> > >>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Hello All,
> > >>> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > >>> signature suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things 
> > >>> like eloquence, and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this 
> > >>> will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note takers on the 
> > >>> fastest speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, 
> > >>> however, I find 75% too slow, but if I increase it, I understand no 
> > >>> word, if it reads a long passage, but otherwise, too slow. So something 
> > >>> like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will sound 
> > >>> the same. Its as if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert 
> > >>> a pause, etc. Guess its the emotion, or something. Anyway, anyone 
> > >>> noticed this? If so,  have you found a particular voice that was better 
> > >>> at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British 
> > >>> Siri, and just trying Alex. But if someone does know of something, 
> > >>> please, tell  me about it? Or do you just eventually get used to it?
> > >>> 
> > >>> PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> > >>> Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slow speech rates.
> > >>> Anyway, many thanks!
> > >>> 
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RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

[Richard Turner]

I think this falls under the category of the subjective nature  of speech 
synthesizers.  It is really a matter of personal preference.

I personally can't stand Eloquence or Keynote.
But that is my point, everyone hears differently and has different aspects of 
voices they like and dislike.  

I truly hope you find a voice that works for you.

Take care,
Richard

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Rajmund
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

Hello,
I don't have windows, just heard it. I am used to eloquence, and the old 
keynote voice. Strangely, though, when I played with a first generation stream, 
on that, Samantha handled the punctuation marks better, in my opinion. 

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From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:29 pm
Subject: RE: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?

>
>
> Which speech synthesizer are you using on Windows?
> If you are also using Eloquence there, then it could be you are so used to 
> the way Eloquence speaks that you have not gotten used to the other voices.
> Hopefully, it will come in time.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rajmund
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> Hello,
> Hmm. Strange. As I said, its probably just me not used to it, but I do find 
> punctuated messages more clear on windows, or note takers, for that matter.. 
> Oh, sorry for the spelling errors, I thought I capitalised I, and added the ' 
> obviously I haven't. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:35 pm
> Subject: Re: VOICE over ignoring punctuation marks?
> 
> >
> >
> > I just read both your message and Alex Hall's message in this thread at 80% 
> > and 85% using the American Female Siri voice and the pauses for commas were 
> > very clear to me.
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:06 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Well, I'm trying all voices, and i think the Ssri voices are slightly 
> > > better, but not there yet. Ill get used to it, I guess.,
> > > 
> > > Sent from an  IPad
> > > 
> > >> On 10 Oct 2015, at 12:34, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I have to say, I've never experienced this. I use Samantha or one of the 
> > >> American Siri voices all the time, between 75 and 85 percent, and I use 
> > >> Alex on my Mac. so I have a lot of experience at the speed you're using. 
> > >> I suppose it's something you get used to, because it's something I've 
> > >> never picked up on.
> > >> 
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> 
> > >>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 04:27, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Hello All,
> > >>> So, let me just try and explain this. As many of you know, and as my 
> > >>> signature suggests, am coming from note takers. So that's mainly things 
> > >>> like eloquence, and a few others. So here's my issue. And I know this 
> > >>> will sound like  I'm picky, but really. I have the note takers on the 
> > >>> fastest speech rate, and I find them too slow. With voice over, 
> > >>> however, I find 75% too slow, but if I increase it, I understand no 
> > >>> word, if it reads a long passage, but otherwise, too slow. So something 
> > >>> like I had a nice day, though. And i had a nice day though will sound 
> > >>> the same. Its as if commas are completely ignored , rather than insert 
> > >>> a pause, etc. Guess its the emotion, or something. Anyway, anyone 
> > >>> noticed this? If so,  have you found a particular voice that was better 
> > >>> at it than others? I have so far tried Daniel, Samantha, Female British 
> > >>> Siri, and just trying Alex. But if someone does know of something, 
> > >>> please, tell  me about it? Or do you just eventually get used to it?
> > >>> 
> > >>> PS. When I say increased, I mean something like 80%, and its too quick. 
> > >>> Otherwise,,  too slow. And I do get a headache from slo

Punctuation

[Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)]

Hi friends,

On my IPhone 5s, I keep selecting punction to all with the slider but it 
doesn't seem to remember the setting and when I read back messages its, the 
punction is not always spoken.
Is there something that I am doing wrong here?

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Re: Taking punctuation out of the rotor ?

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Settings general accessibility VoiceOver rotor.

On 06/11/2014 23:08, Flor Lynch wrote:

How do I do this, take punctuation out of my rotor settings, or, if I
reorder it, where to? (I don't mean turning off punctuation; rather,
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Re: Taking punctuation out of the rotor ?

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Settings/general/accessibility/voiceover, rotor;  this is a list with a 
bunch of toggle buttons.

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Subject: Taking punctuation out of the rotor ?


How do I do this, take punctuation out of my rotor settings, or, if I
reorder it, where to? (I don't mean turning off punctuation; rather,
just leaving the value at some.) (Using iOS8.1, iPhone 5S.)


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Re: Taking punctuation out of the rotor ?

[Flor Lynch]

Thanks. The problem was that I was moving it but not getting rid of it. 
However, I think I've got there now.


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Settings/general/accessibility/voiceover, rotor;  this is a list with a
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How do I do this, take punctuation out of my rotor settings, or, if I
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Taking punctuation out of the rotor ?

[Flor Lynch]

How do I do this, take punctuation out of my rotor settings, or, if I 
reorder it, where to? (I don't mean turning off punctuation; rather, 
just leaving the value at some.) (Using iOS8.1, iPhone 5S.)



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IPhone 5s Punctuation

[Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)]

Hi friends,

Just wondering if anyone has notice that with the rota set to all punctuation, 
when reading back a text message for example, it doesn't always seem to speak 
the punctuation e.g. if there is a comma in the message for example which would 
be good some times.




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