RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
I believe someone told me it went out of business in Houston too. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Arlene, Wow! It is difficult to believe that Yellow Cab went out of business in one of the most densely populated cities in your state. Yes, the Curb app aggregates multiple local companies. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab company for each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in oklahoma city yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the company is no longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, have a yellow cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started their own company, so that was good. - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Joshua, Wow! That guitar sounds fabulous. As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app. Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi companies such as Yellow Cab. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: > There are all types of people out there. > People who are ignorant. > I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to > know about it. > They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. > I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I > thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. > God bless Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >> wrote: >> >> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >> important skill dead? >> >> Devin Prater >> Assistive Technology Instructor >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or >> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal >> Independence? >> >> Hi Devon; >> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are >> using braille for today. >> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >> Keep it up. >> God bless >> Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote: >> > >> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first >> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and >> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I >> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the >> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's >> > house. >> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year
Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Will you be getting both voice dream reader and voice dream scanner? Will you be getting the Audible app? -Original Message- From: Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Bard will be one of the first apps I get on my new iPhone. I will also be getting the google home app so I can get my google home set up again. I really miss it. My sister said that this coming Wednesday we should be able to go and get my new iPhone. That is a very good thing since my flip phone isn't wanting to turn on any more and keeps dropping calls. On 5/26/19, Mich Verrier wrote: Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and stuff. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: There are all types of people out there. People who are ignorant. I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know about it. They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an important skill dead? Devin Prater Assistive Technology Instructor From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi Devon; I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using braille for today. I never want to see braille as a loss start. Keep it up. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater > wrote: > > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's > house. > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. > > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely > together. > > iOS, however, is just about the gold sta
Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Mark, thanks again, we'll give it a try. Arlene - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 10:46 PM Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Arlene, Wow! It is difficult to believe that Yellow Cab went out of business in one of the most densely populated cities in your state. Yes, the Curb app aggregates multiple local companies. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab company for each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in oklahoma city yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the company is no longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, have a yellow cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started their own company, so that was good. - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Joshua, Wow! That guitar sounds fabulous. As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app. Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi companies such as Yellow Cab. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: There are all types of people out there. People who are ignorant. I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know about it. They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an important skill dead? Devin Prater Assistive Technology Instructor From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi Devon; I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using braille for today. I never want to see braille as a loss start. Keep it up. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater > wrote: > > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's > house. > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. > > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack > isn't even *included* in the a
RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
This Curb app shows up when I do a search in the App Store, but several reviews mention that it does not work in Canada. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 6:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Mich, In lieu of, or in conjunction wit, Uber and Lyft, give Curb, the taxi app, a try. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Verrier Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 12:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and stuff. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: > There are all types of people out there. > People who are ignorant. > I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to > know about it. > They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. > I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I > thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. > God bless Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >> wrote: >> >> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >> important skill dead? >> >> Devin Prater >> Assistive Technology Instructor >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or >> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal >> Independence? >> >> Hi Devon; >> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are >> using braille for today. >> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >> Keep it up. >> God bless >> Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote: >> > >> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first >> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and >> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I >> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the >> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house. >> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 >> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel >> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty >> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, >> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. >> > >> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille >> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack >> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you >> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify >> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its >> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up th
RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Hello Arlene, Wow! It is difficult to believe that Yellow Cab went out of business in one of the most densely populated cities in your state. Yes, the Curb app aggregates multiple local companies. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab company for each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in oklahoma city yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the company is no longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, have a yellow cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started their own company, so that was good. - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Joshua, Wow! That guitar sounds fabulous. As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app. Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi companies such as Yellow Cab. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: > There are all types of people out there. > People who are ignorant. > I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to > know about it. > They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. > I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I > thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. > God bless Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >> wrote: >> >> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >> important skill dead? >> >> Devin Prater >> Assistive Technology Instructor >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or >> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal >> Independence? >> >> Hi Devon; >> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are >> using braille for today. >> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >> Keep it up. >> God bless >> Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote: >> > >> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first >> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and >> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I >> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the >> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's >> > house. >> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 >> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel >> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty >> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, >> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. >> > >> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility
Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab company for each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in oklahoma city yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the company is no longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, have a yellow cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started their own company, so that was good. - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Joshua, Wow! That guitar sounds fabulous. As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app. Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi companies such as Yellow Cab. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: There are all types of people out there. People who are ignorant. I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know about it. They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater wrote: Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an important skill dead? Devin Prater Assistive Technology Instructor From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi Devon; I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using braille for today. I never want to see braille as a loss start. Keep it up. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater > wrote: > > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's > house. > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. > > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely > together. > > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. >
RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Hello Mich, In lieu of, or in conjunction wit, Uber and Lyft, give Curb, the taxi app, a try. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Verrier Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 12:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and stuff. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: > There are all types of people out there. > People who are ignorant. > I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to > know about it. > They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. > I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I > thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. > God bless Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >> wrote: >> >> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >> important skill dead? >> >> Devin Prater >> Assistive Technology Instructor >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or >> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal >> Independence? >> >> Hi Devon; >> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are >> using braille for today. >> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >> Keep it up. >> God bless >> Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote: >> > >> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first >> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and >> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I >> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the >> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house. >> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 >> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel >> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty >> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, >> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. >> > >> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille >> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack >> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you >> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify >> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its >> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with >> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I >> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can >> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not >> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service >> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're &
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Hello Marie and well said. I admire your independence and ability to live alone. Bravo. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie N. Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me. And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper. I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought additional benefits. -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to you and everyone! I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as good as I could. I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and that's OK. I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab service apps. Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs. Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la: > Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of > the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I > can not do as easily on the computer. > The first and for me the thing which has really given me an > independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now > go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally > on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having > to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in > advance with a para transit service. > 2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a > computer. > 3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with > a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with > the computer when we can't read what is on the screen. > 4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not > sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house. > 5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no > assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about > what bills I have when I go out. > There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the > computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to > have both it and my PC. > Marie > > -----Original Message- From: Gordan Radić > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or > Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Hi to all! > > I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the > subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. > > Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a > tiny little th
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Hello Joshua, Wow! That guitar sounds fabulous. As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app. Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi companies such as Yellow Cab. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: > There are all types of people out there. > People who are ignorant. > I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to > know about it. > They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. > I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I > thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. > God bless Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >> wrote: >> >> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >> important skill dead? >> >> Devin Prater >> Assistive Technology Instructor >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or >> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal >> Independence? >> >> Hi Devon; >> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are >> using braille for today. >> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >> Keep it up. >> God bless >> Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote: >> > >> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first >> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and >> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I >> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the >> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house. >> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 >> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel >> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty >> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, >> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. >> > >> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille >> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack >> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you >> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify >> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its >> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with >> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I >> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can >> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not >> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service >> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're >> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small >> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together. >> > >> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. >> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols >> > in
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Hello Karen, Wow! Your post was beautiful and truly inspires me to find yet even more uses for my various technologies. Thank you so much for sharing. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 5:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? While I used a pc for many years before getting my iPhone and iPad, the portability of the iPhone and iPad has made a world of difference in the way I do things, and has widened the scope of what I am able to accomplish without sighted help. My iPhone has played a huge role in my ability to learn to play the harp, which began as an older adult, in 2010. I am able to record my lessons on my phone, and easily transfer them to my pc. The Talking Tuner app allows me to keep my harp in tune. Youtube and iTunes make it possible to hear variations on a song I might be learning. A metronome app helps me to work on rhythm in difficult sections of music. And, Facetime allows me to take a lesson from a teacher 2 states away from where I live. For several years my husband and I vended at conferences. The Square app allowed me to take credit cards independently, and the money reader app helped me to keep my money organized. When traveling by car, the Maps app allows me to get a better sense of where we are. I can check the weather in our destination ahead of time, so I can decide what to pack. I can ask Siri to suggest restaurants, etc. in the area as we travel, and get directions on how to get there. I can set a wake up alarm. These devices have become such a major part of my life, that the list could go on forever. The thing I do the least with my phone is talk on it. When at home, I still prefer our land line phone for that Karen P -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000601d5142b%2485e05b00%2491a11100%24%40edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I assume it's the Voice Dream Reader app. On 5/26/19 6:29 PM, Arlene wrote: Marie, What is the vdr app? Thank you. Arlene - Original Message - From: "'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff members gave me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9. After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to be replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my iPad got stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod touch 6th gen and managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. That same year at Christmas I got my beloved iPhone X. My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your contact information and I will happily add you. maria.reye...@icloud.com On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić wrote: Hi! Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my native language so it is possible i miss some points but As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers don't have the obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they don't want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is the good will of the driver will he or she help you to the door or whatever. I had great experiences with old cabs just as I had bad experiences with Uber. And the point is, it doesn't have anything to do with using iPhone, it's just matter of humanity. And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call it lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning there was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if not good than atleast not correct. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la: You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me. And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper. I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought additional benefits. -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to you and everyone! I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as good as I could. I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and that's OK. I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab service apps. Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs. Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 6:08,
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Marie, What is the vdr app? Thank you. Arlene - Original Message - From: "'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff members gave me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9. After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to be replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my iPad got stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod touch 6th gen and managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. That same year at Christmas I got my beloved iPhone X. My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your contact information and I will happily add you. maria.reye...@icloud.com On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić wrote: Hi! Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my native language so it is possible i miss some points but As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers don't have the obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they don't want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is the good will of the driver will he or she help you to the door or whatever. I had great experiences with old cabs just as I had bad experiences with Uber. And the point is, it doesn't have anything to do with using iPhone, it's just matter of humanity. And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call it lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning there was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if not good than atleast not correct. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la: You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me. And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper. I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought additional benefits. -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to you and everyone! I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as good as I could. I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and that's OK. I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab service apps. Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs. Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la: Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of
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Bard will be one of the first apps I get on my new iPhone. I will also be getting the google home app so I can get my google home set up again. I really miss it. My sister said that this coming Wednesday we should be able to go and get my new iPhone. That is a very good thing since my flip phone isn't wanting to turn on any more and keeps dropping calls. On 5/26/19, Mich Verrier wrote: > Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. > I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I > still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and > stuff. From Mich. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I > won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to > make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing > AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. > However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. > I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I > have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have > such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much > braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can > read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble > reading it. > > On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: >> There are all types of people out there. >> People who are ignorant. >> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to >> know about it. >> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. >> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I >> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. >> God bless Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >>> important skill dead? >>> >>> Devin Prater >>> Assistive Technology Instructor >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or >>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal >>> Independence? >>> >>> Hi Devon; >>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are >>> using braille for today. >>> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >>> Keep it up. >>> God bless >>> Anthony >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >>> >>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first >>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and >>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I >>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the >>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's >>> > house. >>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 >>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel >>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty >>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, >>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. >>> > >>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille >>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack >>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you >>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify >>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its >>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with >>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I >>> &
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Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and stuff. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: > There are all types of people out there. > People who are ignorant. > I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to > know about it. > They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. > I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I > thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. > God bless Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >> wrote: >> >> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >> important skill dead? >> >> Devin Prater >> Assistive Technology Instructor >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or >> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal >> Independence? >> >> Hi Devon; >> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are >> using braille for today. >> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >> Keep it up. >> God bless >> Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote: >> > >> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first >> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and >> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I >> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the >> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house. >> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 >> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel >> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty >> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, >> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. >> > >> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille >> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack >> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you >> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify >> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its >> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with >> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I >> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can >> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not >> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service >> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're >> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small >> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together. >> > >> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. >> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols >> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, >&
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Go, Josh, go with that guitar. Probably you eventually would like getting BARD on your phone. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: > There are all types of people out there. > People who are ignorant. > I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to > know about it. > They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. > I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I > thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. > God bless Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >> wrote: >> >> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >> important skill dead? >> >> Devin Prater >> Assistive Technology Instructor >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or >> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal >> Independence? >> >> Hi Devon; >> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are >> using braille for today. >> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >> Keep it up. >> God bless >> Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote: >> > >> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first >> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and >> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I >> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the >> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house. >> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 >> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel >> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty >> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, >> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. >> > >> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille >> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack >> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you >> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify >> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its >> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with >> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I >> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can >> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not >> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service >> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're >> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small >> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together. >> > >> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. >> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols >> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, >> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying >> >
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My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff members gave me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9. After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to be replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my iPad got stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod touch 6th gen and managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. That same year at Christmas I got my beloved iPhone X. My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your contact information and I will happily add you. maria.reye...@icloud.com > On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić wrote: > > Hi! > > Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my > native language so it is possible i miss some points but > > As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just for > the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't have Lift > in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers don't have the > obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they don't want to. The > same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is the good will of the > driver will he or she help you to the door or whatever. I had great > experiences with old cabs just as I had bad experiences with Uber. And the > point is, it doesn't have anything to do with using iPhone, it's just matter > of humanity. > > And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over > which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to do > the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call it > lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning there > was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if not good > than atleast not correct. > > > S poštovanjem > > Gordan Radić > > 26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la: >> You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is >> that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the >> time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me. >> And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist >> you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many >> of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. >> The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the >> drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to >> get out and about.They are also cheaper. >> I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and >> a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought >> additional benefits. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Gordan Radić >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their >> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? >> >> Hi to you and everyone! >> >> I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my >> thouhts as good as I could. >> >> I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping >> us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in >> the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started >> with that and that's OK. >> >> I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the >> web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, >> as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. >> You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a >> car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now >> using the cab service apps. >> >> Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your >> family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from >> other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to >> be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're >> result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern >> technology for our needs. >> >> Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right >> here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some >> thought
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Hi! Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my native language so it is possible i miss some points but As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers don't have the obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they don't want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is the good will of the driver will he or she help you to the door or whatever. I had great experiences with old cabs just as I had bad experiences with Uber. And the point is, it doesn't have anything to do with using iPhone, it's just matter of humanity. And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call it lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning there was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if not good than atleast not correct. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la: You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me. And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper. I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought additional benefits. -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to you and everyone! I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as good as I could. I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and that's OK. I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab service apps. Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs. Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la: Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not do as easily on the computer. The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in advance with a para transit service. 2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a computer. 3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with the computer when we can't read what is on the screen. 4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house. 5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about what bills I have when
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Hi! I'm very disappointed to hear that. Not knowing Braille for the blind is the same as not knowing alphabet for sighted. I admit, I don't read Braille. I know it but I'm slow since I used black rint untill I was 30 or something but I'm able to use it, write in it and read it if necessary. But, that's why i see very odd spelling from time to time, especially in the English Language lists and sites. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 17:06, Anthony Vece je napisao/la: There are all types of people out there. People who are ignorant. I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know about it. They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote: Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an important skill dead? Devin Prater Assistive Technology Instructor *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi Devon; I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using braille for today. I never want to see braille as a loss start. Keep it up. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house. > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. > > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together. > > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not working anymore, should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable information. Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me. > > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy to break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically co
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You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me. And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper. I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought additional benefits. -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to you and everyone! I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as good as I could. I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and that's OK. I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab service apps. Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs. Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la: Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not do as easily on the computer. The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in advance with a para transit service. 2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a computer. 3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with the computer when we can't read what is on the screen. 4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house. 5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about what bills I have when I go out. There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to have both it and my PC. Marie -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to all! I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on
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Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't be using those apps. My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone calls and some other things. It is because of apps like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar. I have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument. As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are available in audio format. However, I can read braille just fine. If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it. On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece wrote: > There are all types of people out there. > People who are ignorant. > I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know > about it. > They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. > I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I > thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. > God bless Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > >> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater >> wrote: >> >> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an >> important skill dead? >> >> Devin Prater >> Assistive Technology Instructor >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece >> >> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their >> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? >> >> Hi Devon; >> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using >> braille for today. >> I never want to see braille as a loss start. >> Keep it up. >> God bless >> Anthony >> >> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! >> >> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote: >> > >> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I >> > was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all >> > that the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes >> > gift card, and buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one >> > during a weekend at my Aunt's house. >> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came >> > out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just >> > like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what >> > Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to >> > Verizon, and got the iPhone 7. >> > >> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille >> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't >> > even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get >> > it from the play store. No Android user can justify this, except to say >> > that some users don't need braille and its somehow good that Google not >> > "clutter" up their phone with accessibility, lol. Linux has a good >> > enough braille system, I suppose, but like everything else regarding >> > accessibility, it can be not even packaged for your distribution of >> > choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d >> > service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one >> > you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many >> > small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely >> > together. >> > >> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its >> > not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in >> > braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my >> > goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't >> > have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and >> > Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a >> > great time for Apple to show that they still care about their blind >> > users, and braille users in particular, by fixing bugs and adding >> > features, like showing formatting if the user wants, like italics, bold, >> > and such when reading books and articles, or allowing the u
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There are all types of people out there. People who are ignorant. I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know about it. They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed. I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater wrote: > > Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an > important skill dead? > > Devin Prater > Assistive Technology Instructor > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Hi Devon; > I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using > braille for today. > I never want to see braille as a loss start. > Keep it up. > God bless > Anthony > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > > > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater wrote: > > > > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was > > in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that > > the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, > > and buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a > > weekend at my Aunt's house. > > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, > > because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with > > Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls > > "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got > > the iPhone 7. > > > > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. > > You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* > > in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play > > store. No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users > > don't need braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their > > phone with accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I > > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not > > even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set > > up correctly, or have its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI > > group not set up with the one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, > > Linux is made of so many small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all > > of them working nicely together. > > > > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not > > perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and > > sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the > > most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep > > improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still > > fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple > > to show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in > > particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if > > the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and > > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not > > working anymore, should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user > > doesn't get unreliable information. Yes, both of these have been suggested > > to Apple by me. > > > > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and > > reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but > > can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy > > to break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in > > malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, > > and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you > > plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not > > already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for > > some reason, it doesn't show formatting! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On May 25, 2019,
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Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an important skill dead? Devin Prater Assistive Technology Instructor From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi Devon; I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using braille for today. I never want to see braille as a loss start. Keep it up. God bless Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater wrote: > > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was > in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that the > iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, and > buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at > my Aunt's house. > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, > because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with > Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls > "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got > the iPhone 7. > > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. You > know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* in > the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play store. > No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users don't need > braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but > like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for > your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have > its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the > one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many > small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely > together. > > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not > perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and > sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the > most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep > improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still > fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to > show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in > particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if > the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and articles, > or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not working anymore, > should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable > information. Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me. > > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and > reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but can > be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy to > break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in > malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, > and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you > plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not > already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for > some reason, it doesn't show formatting! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more >> independent and knowledgeable about what they do. I use my phone with the >> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to >> people like everyone else. I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a >> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same >> time. I have broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service and >> like the idea that news items are at our disposal the same time other people >> receive them. Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS. >> >> >> Mary Jo Partyka >> choir...@gmail.com >> >> >>> On May
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not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, >>> etc. >>> >>> Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of >>> years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a >>> handheld lighter did not increase personal independence. >>> >>> Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was >>> tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology. >>> >>> Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old >>> legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless >>> as my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to >>> compare Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise. >>> >>> Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I >>> want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in >>> anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in order >>> to engage in a debate. >>> >>> I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its >>> intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased >>> your personal independence. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Gordan Radic >>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their >>> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? >>> >>> Hi to all! >>> >>> I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt >>> and I can't agree with most mentioned. >>> >>> Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny >>> little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there >>> were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. >>> >>> So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, >>> mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was >>> available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. >>> >>> There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were >>> also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible >>> with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the >>> developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. >>> >>> Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know >>> when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal >>> and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in >>> previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more >>> than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my >>> Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone. >>> >>> So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really >>> are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next >>> level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever >>> with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to >>> do things before iOS with Voice over. >>> >>> >>> S poštovanjem >>> >>> Gordan Radić >>> >>> 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: >>>> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was >>>> when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so >>>> that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with >>>> some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: >>>> >>>> 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted >>>> help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. >>>> 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when >>>> I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to >>>> le
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While I used a pc for many years before getting my iPhone and iPad, the portability of the iPhone and iPad has made a world of difference in the way I do things, and has widened the scope of what I am able to accomplish without sighted help. My iPhone has played a huge role in my ability to learn to play the harp, which began as an older adult, in 2010. I am able to record my lessons on my phone, and easily transfer them to my pc. The Talking Tuner app allows me to keep my harp in tune. Youtube and iTunes make it possible to hear variations on a song I might be learning. A metronome app helps me to work on rhythm in difficult sections of music. And, Facetime allows me to take a lesson from a teacher 2 states away from where I live. For several years my husband and I vended at conferences. The Square app allowed me to take credit cards independently, and the money reader app helped me to keep my money organized. When traveling by car, the Maps app allows me to get a better sense of where we are. I can check the weather in our destination ahead of time, so I can decide what to pack. I can ask Siri to suggest restaurants, etc. in the area as we travel, and get directions on how to get there. I can set a wake up alarm. These devices have become such a major part of my life, that the list could go on forever. The thing I do the least with my phone is talk on it. When at home, I still prefer our land line phone for that Karen P -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000301d513c2%2460e91990%2422bb4cb0%24%40poulakos.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. <>
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Hi to you and everyone! I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as good as I could. I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and that's OK. I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab service apps. Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs. Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la: Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not do as easily on the computer. The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in advance with a para transit service. 2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a computer. 3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with the computer when we can't read what is on the screen. 4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house. 5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about what bills I have when I go out. There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to have both it and my PC. Marie -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to all! I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone. So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things before iOS with Voice over. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in it
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Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not do as easily on the computer. The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in advance with a para transit service. 2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a computer. 3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with the computer when we can't read what is on the screen. 4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house. 5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about what bills I have when I go out. There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to have both it and my PC. Marie -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to all! I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone. So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things before iOS with Voice over. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a brief message. 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites like Chewy at my leisure. 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. God bless! I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Persona
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istence, in my opinion, is pointless as >> my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare >> Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise. >> >> Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I >> want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in >> anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in order to >> engage in a debate. >> >> I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its >> intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased >> your personal independence. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Gordan Radic >> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their >> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? >> >> Hi to all! >> >> I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and >> I can't agree with most mentioned. >> >> Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny >> little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there >> were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. >> >> So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, >> mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was >> available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. >> >> There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were >> also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible >> with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the >> developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. >> >> Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when >> exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and >> NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in >> previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more >> than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my >> Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone. >> >> So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really >> are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next >> level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever >> with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do >> things before iOS with Voice over. >> >> >> S poštovanjem >> >> Gordan Radić >> >> 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: >>> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was >>> when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so >>> that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with >>> some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: >>> >>> 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted >>> help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. >>> 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm >>> not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a >>> brief message. >>> 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. >>> 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or >>> paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. >>> 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. >>> >>> Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites >>> like Chewy at my leisure. >>> 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right >>> where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. >>> 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. >>> 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the >>> driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. >>> God bless! >>> >>> I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon
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nd the apps you use, going through the list of apps on applevis, also some of the apple related podcasts we heard even before we knew about apple viz, such as the podcasts done my David woodbridge, and we've learned so much here on the list. While we have some sets of speakers we hook our phones up too in listening to the xm radio app, or listening to the music we have from the computer through itunes with our phones hooked up to itunes, we just like to listen to the music, just plain on the phone, sort of us making us think of listening to our transistor radios back in the olden days of the 60's and 70's. Anyway, there's probably some things I haven't mentioned of what we depend on and in that sense, causing more independence. To me it's not necessarily about independence in away, but these developments in many of these apps and all the accessibility just makes it possible for us to do things just like just about anyone else can and that's what is really great. One other app that is so important, ehlpful and useful is the gps apps. Recently we went to a medical building for a doctors appointment and it was telling us the suites of offices that we were near, including one of our doctor's office. We didn't know it would work that way inside a building, but we had the gps app as we were going there in the car and left it on when we went in to the building. We'll write again with someother things that are especially useful on our iphones, as we're continuing to learn. I do have some questions for some things we'd like to do, but I'll write about that in another message. We're really enjoying this thread about what is important to you about your iphones and iwatches, and the valuable things it allows for you to do independently without having to depend on someone, it's all so tremendous and special. While there may be some things I'll always do on my computer, who knows, a year from now, for an example, I might learn to do or like doing some of those things on my phone as well as doing them on my computer. That's something I don't even know at this point, but that's partly why I responded to this message, not disagreeing with anyone. Thank you to Mark especially for the list, and all of you that make this list so helpful to everyone of us. Arlene Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 7:28 PM Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Gordon, While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief rebuttal to your comments. First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc. Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld lighter did not increase personal independence. Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology. Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise. Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in order to engage in a debate. I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased your personal independence. Mark -Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordan Radic Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to all! I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over.
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Hi, Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more independent and knowledgeable about what they do. I use my phone with the screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to people like everyone else. I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same time. I have broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service and like the idea that news items are at our disposal the same time other people receive them. Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS. Mary Jo Partyka choir...@gmail.com > On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Gordon, > > While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to > discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief > rebuttal to your comments. > > First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did > not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc. > > > Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of > years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld > lighter did not increase personal independence. > > Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was > tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology. > > Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy > technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my > question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare > Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise. > > Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I > want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in > anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in order to > engage in a debate. > > I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its > intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased > your personal independence. > > Mark > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Gordan Radic > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Hi to all! > > I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and > I can't agree with most mentioned. > > Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny > little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there > were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. > > So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, > mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was > available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. > > There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were > also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with > screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers > thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. > > Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when > exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA > are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous > mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on > the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for > tones of tasks I can do on my phone. > > So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really > are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next > level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever > with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do > things before iOS with Voice over. > > > S poštovanjem > > Gordan Radić > > 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: >> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was >> when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so >> that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with >> some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: >> >
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I got my phone, while I was still 80. I had had a 4S, but never really learned to use it. Hadley videos hhave made it possible. So, as for independence. I guess we all have different priorities, and Net stuff is not as important to me as some thing. I have worked on learning to type on the touch screen. I had a tablet for a while, which had a keyboard, and I found it clumsy, and actually have gotten way better on the iPhone keyboard than I was on the tablet one. Entering contacts was how I got started. Not I type some texts and emails, some, but not all. I think I soon will be able to use my iPhone with headset or Bluetooth to call the bank and my credit card's automated phone line. I already can call our Enrichment Center and get an extension. That is no biggie, but it is a degree of independence. Yes, I could have had that, did have it, with a flip phone, but, not enough battery life. I had several, and that is why I realized that other people used touch screens, I could and would too. My husband said to conquer one thing at a time. I had a goal to be able to do email in a year and was just a little early. I am not rushing, intend to be proficient with whatever I do. I really do like Settings though. I have learned so much in that app to customize my phone to the point that I am very pleased with it. Best regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Verrier Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 8:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? I got my first eye phone a eye phone 4s in 2012 after a good friend of mine died and I had trubble using the flip phone that I had at the time. I found the lurning curb very easy to use with help from friends etc I was soon up and running. Since that time I have got a eye phone 6 and a eye phone 8 witch I am using now. I like my phone since it allows me to use things like what's app texting messaging etc how ever I do find typing on it to be a bit of a hassel and a lot slower then using a keybord on a pc. Apart from that though I will say that for most things I will mainly use my pc for checking e mail using team talk etc. I do like the phone for the portibillidey and like others have pointed out the fact that I don't have to carry around my laptop with me where ever I go. I have yet to master things like 4 squair for gps etc. well these are my thoughts. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: May 25, 2019 8:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Gordon, While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief rebuttal to your comments. First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc. Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld lighter did not increase personal independence. Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology. Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise. Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in order to engage in a debate. I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased your personal independence. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordan Radic Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to all! I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were t
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I got my first eye phone a eye phone 4s in 2012 after a good friend of mine died and I had trubble using the flip phone that I had at the time. I found the lurning curb very easy to use with help from friends etc I was soon up and running. Since that time I have got a eye phone 6 and a eye phone 8 witch I am using now. I like my phone since it allows me to use things like what's app texting messaging etc how ever I do find typing on it to be a bit of a hassel and a lot slower then using a keybord on a pc. Apart from that though I will say that for most things I will mainly use my pc for checking e mail using team talk etc. I do like the phone for the portibillidey and like others have pointed out the fact that I don't have to carry around my laptop with me where ever I go. I have yet to master things like 4 squair for gps etc. well these are my thoughts. From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: May 25, 2019 8:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Gordon, While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief rebuttal to your comments. First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc. Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld lighter did not increase personal independence. Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology. Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise. Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in order to engage in a debate. I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased your personal independence. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordan Radic Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to all! I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone. So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things before iOS with Voice over. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: > I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when > the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in > itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some >
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Hello Gordon, While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief rebuttal to your comments. First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, etc. Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a handheld lighter did not increase personal independence. Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology. Third, many of the members in our community did not use any of the old legacy technology so arguing their existence, in my opinion, is pointless as my question was meant to share our Apple product experiences; not to compare Apple products to other technologies, modern or otherwise. Finally, I want to reiterate that I am only posting this rebuttal because I want everyone to continue to contribute to this thread and not to be, in anyway, discouraged by Gordon's comments. I am not posting this in order to engage in a debate. I hope that more of you will contribute to this thread, keeping with its intended purpose which is to simply share how Apple products have increased your personal independence. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gordan Radic Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to all! I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone. So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things before iOS with Voice over. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: > I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when > the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in > itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some > honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: > > 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: > BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. > 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm > not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a > brief message. > 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. > 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or > paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. > 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. > > Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites > like Chewy at my leisure. > 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right > where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. > 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. > 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the > driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. > God bless! > > I'm sure there are more, but that's a good star
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Hi to all! I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS with voice over. There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone. So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we were able to do things before iOS with Voice over. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a brief message. 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites like Chewy at my leisure. 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. God bless! I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Everyone, What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence. As for me:. 1. The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. 2. The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. 3. The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera app, Seeing A.I., etc. 4. The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. 5. The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. Honorable Memtions: 1. TV Guide Mobile. 2. CA Lottery app. 3. The Parcel Track package tracking app. 4. Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. 5. The My Chart medical App. I look forward to all of your replies, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Ca
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Wow, what a loaded question! And I must first say that without my close friend voice over, still none of these other task would be possible! So hats off to Apple for introducing us! So here are 5 ways that voice over has helped me be more independent! 1, Aira and Be My Eyes, 2 great services that have helped me accomplish many task independently that would otherwise not be possible. 2, Way Around labeling System, now I can identify many items like clothing and many other things without assistance. 3, Sendero GPS and Nearby Explorer, helps me always know where I am and to navigate and get to where I want to go. 4, Voice Dream Scanner and Seeing A I, helps me use OCR to identify documents and other products. 5, Calendar and Reminders, I would definitely not be able to function without these great tools! They not only help me not forget upcoming appointments, but also they help me remember even the small things, like its garbage day, time to take your vitamins and other meds, all the way down to don't forget to scoop that cat box! Life sometimes can get very hectick, so even being reminded about the small things can be very helpful! Honorable Mentions: BARD Mobile for books, Overcast for podcast, Sports Alerts for Sports, and all of the great accessible games out there! Accessible games use to be few in number, but now we are blessed to have more than we can play! In closing, it is funny, I am holding a phone in my hand, but that is what I use it for the least! Chris > On May 24, 2019, at 1:48 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS > and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal > independence. > > As for me:. > > 1. > The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as > Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. > > 2. > The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like > Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. > > 3. > The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on > the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS > camera app, Seeing A.I., etc. > > 4. > The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps > such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS > news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. > > 5. > The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD > Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. > > Honorable Memtions: > 1. > TV Guide Mobile. > > 2. > CA Lottery app. > > 3. > The Parcel Track package tracking app. > > 4. > Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. > > 5. > The My Chart medical App. > > I look forward to all of your replies, > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000301d51258%24f7783550%24e6689ff0%24%40edu. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/650F5
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Hello there; I am very sorry for the incoming mail. I sent an e-mail due to an error in my screen reader. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Lelia Struve Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 11:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lelia Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote: > > Well, another shipt user. We've not found many blind folks using them but we > love the service a lot. We find both the IOS app and the pc interface through > Chrome very accessible. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Paul > and Paula Jordan > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:49 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when > the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in > itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some > honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: > > 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: > BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. > 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm > not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a > brief message. > 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. > 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or > paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. > 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. > > Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites > like Chewy at my leisure. > 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right > where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. > 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. > 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the > driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. > God bless! > > I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related > Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Hello Everyone, > > What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or > any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence. > > As for me:. > > 1. > The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as > Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. > > 2. > The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing > Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. > > 3. > The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the > fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera > app, Seeing A.I., etc. > > 4. > The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such > as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news > reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. > > 5. > The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, > Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. > > Honorable Memtions: > 1. > TV Guide Mobile. > > 2. > CA Lottery app. > > 3. > The Parcel Track package tracking app. > > 4. > Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. > > 5. > The My Chart medical App. > > I look forward to all of your replies, > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googl
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Acaba kampanya süresi ne zaman sona erecek? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Lelia Struve Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 11:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Lelia Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote: > > Well, another shipt user. We've not found many blind folks using them but we > love the service a lot. We find both the IOS app and the pc interface through > Chrome very accessible. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Paul > and Paula Jordan > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:49 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when > the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in > itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some > honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: > > 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: > BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. > 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm > not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a > brief message. > 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. > 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or > paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. > 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. > > Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites > like Chewy at my leisure. > 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right > where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. > 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. > 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the > driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. > God bless! > > I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related > Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Hello Everyone, > > What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or > any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence. > > As for me:. > > 1. > The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as > Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. > > 2. > The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing > Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. > > 3. > The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the > fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera > app, Seeing A.I., etc. > > 4. > The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such > as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news > reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. > > 5. > The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, > Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. > > Honorable Memtions: > 1. > TV Guide Mobile. > > 2. > CA Lottery app. > > 3. > The Parcel Track package tracking app. > > 4. > Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. > > 5. > The My Chart medical App. > > I look forward to all of your replies, > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this me
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Lelia Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Larry Lumpkin wrote: > > Well, another shipt user. We've not found many blind folks using them but we > love the service a lot. We find both the IOS app and the pc interface through > Chrome very accessible. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Paul > and Paula Jordan > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:49 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their > Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when > the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in > itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some > honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: > > 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: > BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. > 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm > not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a > brief message. > 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. > 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or > paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. > 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. > > Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites > like Chewy at my leisure. > 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right > where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. > 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. > 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the > driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. > God bless! > > I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > M. Taylor > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related > Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Hello Everyone, > > What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or > any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence. > > As for me:. > > 1. > The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as > Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. > > 2. > The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing > Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. > > 3. > The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the > fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera > app, Seeing A.I., etc. > > 4. > The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such > as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news > reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. > > 5. > The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, > Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. > > Honorable Memtions: > 1. > TV Guide Mobile. > > 2. > CA Lottery app. > > 3. > The Parcel Track package tracking app. > > 4. > Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. > > 5. > The My Chart medical App. > > I look forward to all of your replies, > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > To
RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Well, another shipt user. We've not found many blind folks using them but we love the service a lot. We find both the IOS app and the pc interface through Chrome very accessible. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Paul and Paula Jordan Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a brief message. 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites like Chewy at my leisure. 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. God bless! I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Everyone, What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence. As for me:. 1. The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. 2. The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. 3. The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera app, Seeing A.I., etc. 4. The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. 5. The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. Honorable Memtions: 1. TV Guide Mobile. 2. CA Lottery app. 3. The Parcel Track package tracking app. 4. Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. 5. The My Chart medical App. I look forward to all of your replies, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000301d51258%24f7783550%24e6689ff0%24%40edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for th
RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 years so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 things even with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no particular order: 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require sighted help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others when I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just want to leave a brief message. 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing websites like Chewy at my leisure. 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV right where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can contact the driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are often cheaper. God bless! I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hello Everyone, What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal independence. As for me:. 1. The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. 2. The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. 3. The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS camera app, Seeing A.I., etc. 4. The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. 5. The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. Honorable Memtions: 1. TV Guide Mobile. 2. CA Lottery app. 3. The Parcel Track package tracking app. 4. Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. 5. The My Chart medical App. I look forward to all of your replies, Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000301d51258%24f7783550%24e6689ff0%24%40edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/026701d51322%243107fac0%249317f040%24%40road
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Hi, Here are the five ways apple products have changed my life.. 1. they have opened up a whole new world for me, 2. I love keeping up with friends and family. 3. I love making my own appointments in the calendar and reading my own email. 4. They have made apps accessible for me in many ways. 5. They have made it possible to communicate and have fun with technology just like the next guy. Honorable mentions: Seeing AI, Bible, money reader, Uber and lyft, AppleMail and books. Jenn and Kumi > On May 24, 2019, at 11:48 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS > and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal > independence. > > As for me:. > > 1. > The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as > Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. > > 2. > The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like > Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. > > 3. > The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on > the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS > camera app, Seeing A.I., etc. > > 4. > The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps > such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS > news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. > > 5. > The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD > Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. > > Honorable Memtions: > 1. > TV Guide Mobile. > > 2. > CA Lottery app. > > 3. > The Parcel Track package tracking app. > > 4. > Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. > > 5. > The My Chart medical App. > > I look forward to all of your replies, > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000301d51258%24f7783550%24e6689ff0%24%40edu. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/8719BE39-B534-4FCC-A158-2F0482F3713F%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
Hey Mark and the rest of the list, I have been utilizing the iPhone for almost as many years as VoiceOver has been on the devices. The only exception being the first year as I did not have At&t service in my area. I however was using an iPod touch. 1. This first item is a pretty new option, but it makes my world a ton easier. The ability to check my blood sugar with a third party app such as DexCom or LibreLink. 2. Navigation applications: Seeing Eye GPS XT, Apple Map or even Google Maps. 3. Social media Applications such as Twitter (find me @BlindWorrell, Twitterrific, Facebook (this one is necessary evil to keep up with family and friends) and iMessage. 4. Sports applications: MLB @Bat is my goto app for baseball, The Athletic is a new and accessible service much like ESPN’s app. 5. News applications: Apple News, Newsify, Feedly, etc. They allow me to keep up with technology news and current events around the country. Honorable mentions: Carrot Weather, Buffer, Trade Rumors, Anchor.FM, OverCast, Pedometer++, OutLook and many more that I can’t remember off the top of my head. Ed > On May 24, 2019, at 11:48 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV OS > and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of personal > independence. > > As for me:. > > 1. > The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps such as > Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. > > 2. > The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps like > Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. > > 3. > The ability to read printed documents and acquire product information, on > the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money Reader, the native iOS > camera app, Seeing A.I., etc. > > 4. > The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with apps > such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire Full Text RSS > news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. > > 5. > The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD > Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. > > Honorable Memtions: > 1. > TV Guide Mobile. > > 2. > CA Lottery app. > > 3. > The Parcel Track package tracking app. > > 4. > Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. > > 5. > The My Chart medical App. > > I look forward to all of your replies, > > Mark > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/000301d51258%24f7783550%24e6689ff0%24%40edu. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/C640AD41-6077-4BE3-8EBD-724DFB3E3905%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.