RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, iClean wiped out all my bookshare books, on the phone, and then on the iPad. Weird, admittedly, some of them needed to be cleaned out, but... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 3:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Raul, I doubt it, iClean overwrites already deleted space with jibberish and basically fills up your phone, at the end you get a message that your storage is completely full, you tap OK, then iClean deletes what it previously overwrote and while it can free up some space, its main claim is with respect to security since somebody could theoretically recover things which were previously deleted. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 6:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hey, here's a thought, would running an app like iClean help with this? Does the iOS 7 updates get stored in the Other section of the phone's disc space so that an app such as this might be able to clean it out? I have the app, but I don't have a device with iOS 7 pending on it. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oxygen and Magnesium together!? OMg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/6/2013 8:36 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Raul, anybody is saying that IOs 7 install by itself. That every body is saying that IOs 7 is downloading by itself, filling space memory in our devices. The way to empty this space, is installing IOs 7, because is no way to delete the data downloaded by itself. Is true that we have to agree for the instalation, but apple never asked about agreement to download and fill memory space in our devices. . - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't believe there is a way this can be done without the user's knowledge or on purpose intervention. Not only do you have to tap the install button, you have to tap agree, and then agree a second time. Of course with Voice Over, it's double tap. After that, the phone goes quiet during the installation process and eventually reboots using iOS 7 and you are asked to continue and that's the part which shows up in many different languages. So, none of this is automagic. I have yet to read a real case situation where this has happened to someone. Also, I think it would be all over the news if it had. So, I think we are safe from the big bad Apple downloading and installing iOS 7 without our consent. Downloading it yes, installing it, no. -- Raul A. Gallegos A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender, How much for a drink?. The bartender says, For you, no charge. Bazinga - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 9:08 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi listers, I have found it reasonable running on a 4S, but I do wish that they hadn't meddled around with Calendar and Reminders, and some buttons seem to be much more sensitive, activating almost before you've touched them. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli Sent: 07 October 2013 21:08 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Actually, I'm running an iPhone 4 with 32 GB. iOS 7 was quirky but point 1 and point 2 did make it better and I also ran iClean on it witch seemed to make it run even better. It isn't running as fast as the previous version of the OS but it seems to be getting the job done anyway. HTH --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, First, since I'm running an iPhone 5, and its 32GB, this doesn't really affect me. But, if I was running an iPhone 4, with 16 or even 8GB, I think this would really piss me off. And not to mention the space taken up by a download you don't want, and had no choice in declining, your only option is to then install to free up the space to an OS which the hardware is under powered to use smoothly. I think this is really the point of Pablo's frustration. He was in a total lose lose situation. Have a big chunk of space taken up by an update, or, install the update and have your phone sluggish as all hell. I'm just curious, are any of you guys running an iPhone 4? I bet you aren't. lol. If so, I think you would be singing a slightly different tune. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:21 AM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Raul very well put. Yes Apple has downloaded software to your phone. Whether we agree with this or not I would be willing to bet lots of money that everyone agreed to this when they clicked I Agree at the time of installing software. Also as I and others have stated before a phone will not be upgraded unless you agree to the terms by tapping agree. The best suggestion I can give to someone if you don't like change or don't want to deal with bugs don't install a software package till others who are willing to deal with these issues have tested it and say it has no bugs. On 10/4/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I find that really hard to believe that for no apparent reason and by no action taken on your part that iOS 7 just started downloading and installing on your iPhone. Before the installation can happen, you would have to agree to the terms and conditions first. Are you sure that you didn't start it yourself? Even accidentally? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Actually, I'm running an iPhone 4 with 32 GB. iOS 7 was quirky but point 1 and point 2 did make it better and I also ran iClean on it witch seemed to make it run even better. It isn't running as fast as the previous version of the OS but it seems to be getting the job done anyway. HTH --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:11 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, First, since I’m running an iPhone 5, and its 32GB, this doesn’t really affect me. But, if I was running an iPhone 4, with 16 or even 8GB, I think this would really piss me off. And not to mention the space taken up by a download you don’t want, and had no choice in declining, your only option is to then install to free up the space to an OS which the hardware is under powered to use smoothly. I think this is really the point of Pablo’s frustration. He was in a total lose lose situation. Have a big chunk of space taken up by an update, or, install the update and have your phone sluggish as all hell. I’m just curious, are any of you guys running an iPhone 4? I bet you aren’t. lol. If so, I think you would be singing a slightly different tune. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:21 AM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Raul very well put. Yes Apple has downloaded software to your phone. Whether we agree with this or not I would be willing to bet lots of money that everyone agreed to this when they clicked I Agree at the time of installing software. Also as I and others have stated before a phone will not be upgraded unless you agree to the terms by tapping agree. The best suggestion I can give to someone if you don't like change or don't want to deal with bugs don't install a software package till others who are willing to deal with these issues have tested it and say it has no bugs. On 10/4/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I find that really hard to believe that for no apparent reason and by no action taken on your part that iOS 7 just started downloading and installing on your iPhone. Before the installation can happen, you would have to agree to the terms and conditions first. Are you sure that you didn't start it yourself? Even accidentally? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I don't think it's a fact that new software is always buggy. That depends a lot on the software and the testing the software went through before it was released. The process of finding and fixing bugs is on going, so there's no guarantee that any particular bugs will be fixed in a given update or that new bugs won't be introduced as other bugs are fixed. Companies aren't moving slowly to windows 7 because they were waiting for the bugs to get ironed out, if that's what you're implying. Large companies need to train support staff on a new OS, they need to verify that all of the applications they need to do their job works on the new OS, they need to develop a roll out plan to upgrade systems to the new operating system, they need to develop training materials for employees that will be moving to the new OS, they need to make an investment in their hardware to ensure it'll run the new OS and so on. this all takes time and money, so companies schedule this very carefully and don't do it lightly. One reason I consider moving up to a new level of software is for accessibility improvements. If the software I'm using right now has some accessibility issues, and I have some reason to think the newer version may address these issues then I'll move up more quickly. Lotus products are a good example of this for me. Also, if you're going to have to move up anyway, such as if the company you're working for is rolling out a new version, or Apple is encouraging everyone to move up to the latest OS, then the earlier you move up and start reporting bugs the sooner you'll get those bugs worked out. New features are also a reason to move up to a new version of software. I know I've made a decision to move up to a new version of an application if it had a feature in it I really wanted, and I was willing to put up with some buggy behavior to get that new functionality. Windows 7, IOS 7, Lotus Notes 8, Ubuntu 12.04 are a few examples I can think of off the top of my head. Of course, if we're talking about Apple then there's also a push from Apple to move up to the latest and greatest. they encourage us to do this by pushing out the latest updates, not signing older versions of the OS so rolling back is not an option, dropping support for older versions of the OS and so on. A lot of the discussion on list is not regrets from moving up but rather Apple's push to get everyone on the latest OS within days of it's release. On 10/05/2013 11:51 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote: Hi, My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and install a new product? Isn't it a fact that new software is always buggy? Isn't it true that when a new software comes out, they are not even quite finished taking the bugs out of the old one? Why is it that a lot of big companies are just moving to Windows 7 now? My suggestion is that, if you want everything perfect, you don't use any high tech device. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step backwards. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Ron. It could happen, because 2 reasons. 1. The IOs is downloaded automatically to the iPhone, without agreement, without ask, without any warning. Of course, it occupied space in the memory, and when we are talking about an iPhone of 16 GB, and iPhone 4 of 16GB, then the space is very important, and the only way to empty that space that is full with the download of the IOs is just installing the operated system. 2. I don't know, but when I make an update, I am waiting improvements, no bugs, not a operated system that works so slow, and operated system that should be for newer devices, not for devices that has around 4 years. It is the worse part, the people who has a device of 4 years old, has to update the operated system, it is a command, because it is the way to empty the memory occupied by the IOs download. But at the same way, the new IOs, works so slow, and with bunches of bugs. It is the reason why people, like me, didn't have another choice more than install IOs 7 in the iPhone 4. It could be a way to push the users of iPhone 4 devices to buy new devices. a good business. Now, let me ask you something. Ok, we can start from thinking that all new operated system has bugs. Bugs that are mistakes of the operated system developer. My question is this. Why the customers has to install, mandatory, as a, command the new operated systems developed by companies that just send out new versions of operated system? Why me as a customer, I have to install the new operated system, why it is a command, why I have to help apple to improve their IOs, reporting the bugs? So more than the money that I paid for my device, now they are expecting from me that I report the bugs and mistakes of their IOs developers? Why? - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:51 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and install a new product? Isn't it a fact that new software is always buggy? Isn't it true that when a new software comes out, they are not even quite finished taking the bugs out of the old one? Why is it that a lot of big companies are just moving to Windows 7 now? My suggestion is that, if you want everything perfect, you don't use any high tech device. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step backwards. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Jonathan, I really appreciate your posts on this topic. I'm not so sure about consumer laws protecting U.S. consumers in this instance. I admit that I, like 99.9% of other users, did not read all that legal stuff that you agree to when accepting a software license. I have certainly written Apple expressing my displeasure at the automatic download of the os upgrade without my requesting it. And, to whomever it was that tried to equate this with automatic security updating, it is hardly the same thing. This is an entire os we're talking about, want it or not. Not at all the same as a specific security patch. I understand that Google does push out updates of its apps and of the os, if you have a Nexus device. I'm sure you can turn off the app updates but not so sure about the os updates to the os itself. I think those are automatically downloaded with no possibility of turning the download off, just like Apple. But just because companies do it doesn't make it right. Jonathan, I also wanted to say thanks for putting out your book and making it available on the first day. I read that first thing, and what you had to say in there was one of the factors that led me to hang loose and wait to read user reports of their experiences of the new os. I and others have made the point that one of the reasons we buy Apple products is that they are suppose to just work. That means you lose out on some customizability, because you are relying on Apple to provide an a1 experience. I know some people are loving ios 7. And whether one decides to go for it or not after reading all the different posts is a matter of personal choice. But having been around ios since the iPod touch 3rd gen, I have to say I can't remember any release of ios that has caused so much ongoing discussion about what I at least would consider serious drawback to the upgrade. I'm not talking about new ways of doing things, e.g. the app switcher. I'm talking about degraded performance, at least for some, with Siri. And there is the focus jump issue which some seem to experience more than others, etc etc. I hope that some of this stuff gets resolved with the next release of the iOS, and if it does, then I'll install at that time. It is still way better than Android IMHO, even if you have a Nexus device, which does get immediate upgrades as Google releases them. But again, this is not exactly what I expect from it just works. If I were a heavy braille user, I'd be tearing my hair out at the lack of really excellent braille support. This is a mature os, and braille support should be more robust than it apparently is. It still beats Android. But so what? Apple has so much cash on hand that it could certainly afford to make it just works a fact on the ground for even the small number of folks who use braille and the somewhat larger number who rely on VoiceOver speech. I'm ok with my 4S on ios6. I have no dictation issues, as in, can't do that for you right now. No problems using Siri to make phone calls. And I don't have focus issues, and that's a huge deal for me. Happy to wait and see if this stuff gets fixed. If they offered me a downgrade path, I would upgrade and see if I get lucky. But since they don't, forget it. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi IOS 7 looks really good for me when inverting colours. Then chose a black wall paper from Apple on the phone. Then you have black background with white text. High contrast. Icons are normal. I would like to have white icons too, but for that i have to jailbrake it looks like. You can chose bolder marker which is awsome and little bit bolder text in IOS 7. This nice black and white is consistent through IOS 7. The Norwegian voice is an disaster. Apple screwed up in that part. On a treadmill in a fitness gym last evening i could not hear the clock as the voice sounded like 20: something, but it was 21: something and when it went to 22: something i could hear 22 clear, but thought it was 20: 55 or near PM 09:00. Have you heard that some people gets dizzy because of the movements of icons and windows in IOS 7 ? Some people, not all gets dizzy. Take care 1. okt. 2013 kl. 09:45 skrev BroxiBear william.ingli...@gmail.com: Hello, have you got the subscription details for the IOS podcast you mentioned please?, Billy -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: 01 October 2013 7:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, I think there are many millions of users out there who will probably disagree. I listened to the Today in iOS Podcast tonight and most of the calls that came in were very positive. Granted, many were about the 5S, but iOS 7 was also mentioned a lot. One older lady did mention the contrast thing. Anyhow, I guess we are stuck with it and while Apple may listen and improve the readability, I doubt they do a 180 and bring the old look back. My guess is that they will tweek this and improve upon it so let's hope they will fix it so that our iOS groups list owner doesn't have to be ashamed *smile*. The 5S by the way gets pretty awesome reviews and apparently totally kicks butt in all the benchmark tests. It is also not to be overlooked that Apple sold 9 million iPhones worldwide on the first weekend, some of them apparently are still in chanel which means not yet in the hands of the end user, and they do have a couple of large new carriers, but given the shortages in many places it does sound like a pretty impressive number. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark nondescript grey on white. So there! lol! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't believe there is a way this can be done without the user's knowledge or on purpose intervention. Not only do you have to tap the install button, you have to tap agree, and then agree a second time. Of course with Voice Over, it's double tap. After that, the phone goes quiet during the installation process and eventually reboots using iOS 7 and you are asked to continue and that's the part which shows up in many different languages. So, none of this is automagic. I have yet to read a real case situation where this has happened to someone. Also, I think it would be all over the news if it had. So, I think we are safe from the big bad Apple downloading and installing iOS 7 without our consent. Downloading it yes, installing it, no. -- Raul A. Gallegos A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender, How much for a drink?. The bartender says, For you, no charge. Bazinga - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 9:08 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hey, here's a thought, would running an app like iClean help with this? Does the iOS 7 updates get stored in the Other section of the phone's disc space so that an app such as this might be able to clean it out? I have the app, but I don't have a device with iOS 7 pending on it. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oxygen and Magnesium together!? OMg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/6/2013 8:36 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Raul, anybody is saying that IOs 7 install by itself. That every body is saying that IOs 7 is downloading by itself, filling space memory in our devices. The way to empty this space, is installing IOs 7, because is no way to delete the data downloaded by itself. Is true that we have to agree for the instalation, but apple never asked about agreement to download and fill memory space in our devices. . - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't believe there is a way this can be done without the user's knowledge or on purpose intervention. Not only do you have to tap the install button, you have to tap agree, and then agree a second time. Of course with Voice Over, it's double tap. After that, the phone goes quiet during the installation process and eventually reboots using iOS 7 and you are asked to continue and that's the part which shows up in many different languages. So, none of this is automagic. I have yet to read a real case situation where this has happened to someone. Also, I think it would be all over the news if it had. So, I think we are safe from the big bad Apple downloading and installing iOS 7 without our consent. Downloading it yes, installing it, no. -- Raul A. Gallegos A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender, How much for a drink?. The bartender says, For you, no charge. Bazinga - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 9:08 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Someone had mentioned on this list that IClean did not seem to work well with ios7, however it is working fine on my IPhone4s. - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hey, here's a thought, would running an app like iClean help with this? Does the iOS 7 updates get stored in the Other section of the phone's disc space so that an app such as this might be able to clean it out? I have the app, but I don't have a device with iOS 7 pending on it. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oxygen and Magnesium together!? OMg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/6/2013 8:36 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Raul, anybody is saying that IOs 7 install by itself. That every body is saying that IOs 7 is downloading by itself, filling space memory in our devices. The way to empty this space, is installing IOs 7, because is no way to delete the data downloaded by itself. Is true that we have to agree for the instalation, but apple never asked about agreement to download and fill memory space in our devices. . - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't believe there is a way this can be done without the user's knowledge or on purpose intervention. Not only do you have to tap the install button, you have to tap agree, and then agree a second time. Of course with Voice Over, it's double tap. After that, the phone goes quiet during the installation process and eventually reboots using iOS 7 and you are asked to continue and that's the part which shows up in many different languages. So, none of this is automagic. I have yet to read a real case situation where this has happened to someone. Also, I think it would be all over the news if it had. So, I think we are safe from the big bad Apple downloading and installing iOS 7 without our consent. Downloading it yes, installing it, no. -- Raul A. Gallegos A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender, How much for a drink?. The bartender says, For you, no charge. Bazinga - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 9:08 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
He is also claiming that the 4 series doesn't work well and is very sluggish with ios7, I don't think apple would still be manufacturing the 4s if this were the case. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:08 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I don't think it's a fact that new software is always buggy. That depends a lot on the software and the testing the software went through before it was released. The process of finding and fixing bugs is on going, so there's no guarantee that any particular bugs will be fixed in a given update or that new bugs won't be introduced as other bugs are fixed. Companies aren't moving slowly to windows 7 because they were waiting for the bugs to get ironed out, if that's what you're implying. Large companies need to train support staff on a new OS, they need to verify that all of the applications they need to do their job works on the new OS, they need to develop a roll out plan to upgrade systems to the new operating system, they need to develop training materials for employees that will be moving to the new OS, they need to make an investment in their hardware to ensure it'll run the new OS and so on. this all takes time and money, so companies schedule this very carefully and don't do it lightly. One reason I consider moving up to a new level of software is for accessibility improvements. If the software I'm using right now has some accessibility issues, and I have some reason to think the newer version may address these issues then I'll move up more quickly. Lotus products are a good example of this for me. Also, if you're going to have to move up anyway, such as if the company you're working for is rolling out a new version, or Apple is encouraging everyone to move up to the latest OS, then the earlier you move up and start reporting bugs the sooner you'll get those bugs worked out. New features are also a reason to move up to a new version of software. I know I've made a decision to move up to a new version of an application if it had a feature in it I really wanted, and I was willing to put up with some buggy behavior to get that new functionality. Windows 7, IOS 7, Lotus Notes 8, Ubuntu 12.04 are a few examples I can think of off the top of my head. Of course, if we're talking about Apple then there's also a push from Apple to move up to the latest and greatest. they encourage us to do this by pushing out the latest updates, not signing older versions of the OS so rolling back is not an option, dropping support for older versions of the OS and so on. A lot of the discussion on list is not regrets from moving up but rather Apple's push to get everyone on the latest OS within days of it's release. On 10/05/2013 11:51 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote: Hi, My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and install a new product? Isn't it a fact that new software is always buggy? Isn't it true that when a new software comes out, they are not even quite finished taking the bugs out of the old one? Why is it that a lot of big companies are just moving to Windows 7 now? My suggestion is that, if you want everything perfect, you don't use any high tech device. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step backwards. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
He's talking about the iPhone 4 and not the iPhone 4S, at least the way I read it. It's true the 4S is still being manufactured, while the iPhone 4 is not, but the 4S is quite a bit more powerful than the iPhone 4. On 10/06/2013 09:47 AM, Troy Sullivan wrote: He is also claiming that the 4 series doesn't work well and is very sluggish with ios7, I don't think apple would still be manufacturing the 4s if this were the case. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:08 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I don't think it's a fact that new software is always buggy. That depends a lot on the software and the testing the software went through before it was released. The process of finding and fixing bugs is on going, so there's no guarantee that any particular bugs will be fixed in a given update or that new bugs won't be introduced as other bugs are fixed. Companies aren't moving slowly to windows 7 because they were waiting for the bugs to get ironed out, if that's what you're implying. Large companies need to train support staff on a new OS, they need to verify that all of the applications they need to do their job works on the new OS, they need to develop a roll out plan to upgrade systems to the new operating system, they need to develop training materials for employees that will be moving to the new OS, they need to make an investment in their hardware to ensure it'll run the new OS and so on. this all takes time and money, so companies schedule this very carefully and don't do it lightly. One reason I consider moving up to a new level of software is for accessibility improvements. If the software I'm using right now has some accessibility issues, and I have some reason to think the newer version may address these issues then I'll move up more quickly. Lotus products are a good example of this for me. Also, if you're going to have to move up anyway, such as if the company you're working for is rolling out a new version, or Apple is encouraging everyone to move up to the latest OS, then the earlier you move up and start reporting bugs the sooner you'll get those bugs worked out. New features are also a reason to move up to a new version of software. I know I've made a decision to move up to a new version of an application if it had a feature in it I really wanted, and I was willing to put up with some buggy behavior to get that new functionality. Windows 7, IOS 7, Lotus Notes 8, Ubuntu 12.04 are a few examples I can think of off the top of my head. Of course, if we're talking about Apple then there's also a push from Apple to move up to the latest and greatest. they encourage us to do this by pushing out the latest updates, not signing older versions of the OS so rolling back is not an option, dropping support for older versions of the OS and so on. A lot of the discussion on list is not regrets from moving up but rather Apple's push to get everyone on the latest OS within days of it's release. On 10/05/2013 11:51 PM, Ron Pelletier wrote: Hi, My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and install a new product? Isn't it a fact that new software is always buggy? Isn't it true that when a new software comes out, they are not even quite finished taking the bugs out of the old one? Why is it that a lot of big companies are just moving to Windows 7 now? My suggestion is that, if you want everything perfect, you don't use any high tech device. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step backwards. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
For Mac users, there is an app called iExplorer, which allows you to look at the folder structure of your iPhone. Not sure if this would do any better, but just a thought. :) Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hey, here's a thought, would running an app like iClean help with this? Does the iOS 7 updates get stored in the Other section of the phone's disc space so that an app such as this might be able to clean it out? I have the app, but I don't have a device with iOS 7 pending on it. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oxygen and Magnesium together!? OMg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/6/2013 8:36 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Raul, anybody is saying that IOs 7 install by itself. That every body is saying that IOs 7 is downloading by itself, filling space memory in our devices. The way to empty this space, is installing IOs 7, because is no way to delete the data downloaded by itself. Is true that we have to agree for the instalation, but apple never asked about agreement to download and fill memory space in our devices. . - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't believe there is a way this can be done without the user's knowledge or on purpose intervention. Not only do you have to tap the install button, you have to tap agree, and then agree a second time. Of course with Voice Over, it's double tap. After that, the phone goes quiet during the installation process and eventually reboots using iOS 7 and you are asked to continue and that's the part which shows up in many different languages. So, none of this is automagic. I have yet to read a real case situation where this has happened to someone. Also, I think it would be all over the news if it had. So, I think we are safe from the big bad Apple downloading and installing iOS 7 without our consent. Downloading it yes, installing it, no. -- Raul A. Gallegos A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender, How much for a drink?. The bartender says, For you, no charge. Bazinga - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 9:08 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Pablo, I totally agree with you that Apple has no right to download the IOS on your equipment without your permission, it was very wrong. That is one issue. The next issue is that, you as an individual, don't have to install it until you have collected all the necessary information to make a decision as to whether you are ready to install it. If you installed the IOS 7 on your iPhone 4 at the very beginning and it is running slower than you expected, it was your call and this is what you have to live with until they get the bugs out. I hate to tell you that this could take another month or so if we go by past performance. I also have to tell you that my iPhone four is a bit slower, of course, but I accepted that this would happen before I installed IOS 7 because that was an obvious conclusion. The phone is slower but it is extremely workable. I wish you didn't mix 2 very different issues in the same basket. Having said all that, this will be my last comment on this subject because it is getting very old. Repeating the same thing for the next month until a fix is available will serve nothing but to annoy other listers. I hope this topic is put to bed very soon. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 2:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Ron. It could happen, because 2 reasons. 1. The IOs is downloaded automatically to the iPhone, without agreement, without ask, without any warning. Of course, it occupied space in the memory, and when we are talking about an iPhone of 16 GB, and iPhone 4 of 16GB, then the space is very important, and the only way to empty that space that is full with the download of the IOs is just installing the operated system. 2. I don't know, but when I make an update, I am waiting improvements, no bugs, not a operated system that works so slow, and operated system that should be for newer devices, not for devices that has around 4 years. It is the worse part, the people who has a device of 4 years old, has to update the operated system, it is a command, because it is the way to empty the memory occupied by the IOs download. But at the same way, the new IOs, works so slow, and with bunches of bugs. It is the reason why people, like me, didn't have another choice more than install IOs 7 in the iPhone 4. It could be a way to push the users of iPhone 4 devices to buy new devices. a good business. Now, let me ask you something. Ok, we can start from thinking that all new operated system has bugs. Bugs that are mistakes of the operated system developer. My question is this. Why the customers has to install, mandatory, as a, command the new operated systems developed by companies that just send out new versions of operated system? Why me as a customer, I have to install the new operated system, why it is a command, why I have to help apple to improve their IOs, reporting the bugs? So more than the money that I paid for my device, now they are expecting from me that I report the bugs and mistakes of their IOs developers? Why? - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:51 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and install a new product? Isn't it a fact that new software is always buggy? Isn't it true that when a new software comes out, they are not even quite finished taking the bugs out of the old one? Why is it that a lot of big companies are just moving to Windows 7 now? My suggestion is that, if you want everything perfect, you don't use any high tech device. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Cara, I just want clarification of iExplorer. My logical brain would indicate that iExplorer would give me an idea of which apps and resources are using more data? Please explain and if the app is VO accessible. I am new to all of this. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. For Mac users, there is an app called iExplorer, which allows you to look at the folder structure of your iPhone. Not sure if this would do any better, but just a thought. :) Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hey, here's a thought, would running an app like iClean help with this? Does the iOS 7 updates get stored in the Other section of the phone's disc space so that an app such as this might be able to clean it out? I have the app, but I don't have a device with iOS 7 pending on it. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oxygen and Magnesium together!? OMg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/6/2013 8:36 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Raul, anybody is saying that IOs 7 install by itself. That every body is saying that IOs 7 is downloading by itself, filling space memory in our devices. The way to empty this space, is installing IOs 7, because is no way to delete the data downloaded by itself. Is true that we have to agree for the instalation, but apple never asked about agreement to download and fill memory space in our devices. . - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't believe there is a way this can be done without the user's knowledge or on purpose intervention. Not only do you have to tap the install button, you have to tap agree, and then agree a second time. Of course with Voice Over, it's double tap. After that, the phone goes quiet during the installation process and eventually reboots using iOS 7 and you are asked to continue and that's the part which shows up in many different languages. So, none of this is automagic. I have yet to read a real case situation where this has happened to someone. Also, I think it would be all over the news if it had. So, I think we are safe from the big bad Apple downloading and installing iOS 7 without our consent. Downloading it yes, installing it, no. -- Raul A. Gallegos A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender, How much for a drink?. The bartender says, For you, no charge. Bazinga - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 9:08 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
HI Eileen, iExplorer is an app which runs on your Mac, which allows you to see your phone's file system and move files to and from it. My thought was that perhaps it might allow people to remove the unwanted OS download from their phone to free up the space they need. Now, I have no idea whether this will work but I thought I'd just put it out there for people. Here's a linkie… http://www.macroplant.com/iexplorer/?gclid=CK-W6q2Fg7oCFetxQgodBXQAcA Hope this helps some. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Raul, I doubt it, iClean overwrites already deleted space with jibberish and basically fills up your phone, at the end you get a message that your storage is completely full, you tap OK, then iClean deletes what it previously overwrote and while it can free up some space, its main claim is with respect to security since somebody could theoretically recover things which were previously deleted. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 6:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hey, here's a thought, would running an app like iClean help with this? Does the iOS 7 updates get stored in the Other section of the phone's disc space so that an app such as this might be able to clean it out? I have the app, but I don't have a device with iOS 7 pending on it. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oxygen and Magnesium together!? OMg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/6/2013 8:36 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Raul, anybody is saying that IOs 7 install by itself. That every body is saying that IOs 7 is downloading by itself, filling space memory in our devices. The way to empty this space, is installing IOs 7, because is no way to delete the data downloaded by itself. Is true that we have to agree for the instalation, but apple never asked about agreement to download and fill memory space in our devices. . - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 9:11 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, a bit late on this. Doing too much iPhone training, which I'm not complaining about smile. I don't believe there is a way this can be done without the user's knowledge or on purpose intervention. Not only do you have to tap the install button, you have to tap agree, and then agree a second time. Of course with Voice Over, it's double tap. After that, the phone goes quiet during the installation process and eventually reboots using iOS 7 and you are asked to continue and that's the part which shows up in many different languages. So, none of this is automagic. I have yet to read a real case situation where this has happened to someone. Also, I think it would be all over the news if it had. So, I think we are safe from the big bad Apple downloading and installing iOS 7 without our consent. Downloading it yes, installing it, no. -- Raul A. Gallegos A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender, How much for a drink?. The bartender says, For you, no charge. Bazinga - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 9:08 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Cara, Thanks for the explanation. I'll take a look, as I am one of those who want to keep the older phone on 1.6.2. It would be nice to get back 3 GB on this phone. Luckily, I still have plenty of storage. Thanks again for supplying the link in your message. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: HI Eileen, iExplorer is an app which runs on your Mac, which allows you to see your phone's file system and move files to and from it. My thought was that perhaps it might allow people to remove the unwanted OS download from their phone to free up the space they need. Now, I have no idea whether this will work but I thought I'd just put it out there for people. Here's a linkie… http://www.macroplant.com/iexplorer/?gclid=CK-W6q2Fg7oCFetxQgodBXQAcA Hope this helps some. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi: Does such a program exist for a Windows based system? Also although a bit slow 7.2 works acceptably fine with a 4. 6.2 was also slow with the 4 but I didn't hear anyone complaining about that. On 10/6/13, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cara, Thanks for the explanation. I'll take a look, as I am one of those who want to keep the older phone on 1.6.2. It would be nice to get back 3 GB on this phone. Luckily, I still have plenty of storage. Thanks again for supplying the link in your message. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: HI Eileen, iExplorer is an app which runs on your Mac, which allows you to see your phone's file system and move files to and from it. My thought was that perhaps it might allow people to remove the unwanted OS download from their phone to free up the space they need. Now, I have no idea whether this will work but I thought I'd just put it out there for people. Here's a linkie… http://www.macroplant.com/iexplorer/?gclid=CK-W6q2Fg7oCFetxQgodBXQAcA Hope this helps some. Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 6, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Eileen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I agree with this. Yes there are some bugs, yes there have been bugs in every new version. I have been running IOS 7 since release date, intentionally ignoring the list so as not to hear just on and on about how terrible it is. My own experience has been that it has been like other early versions of major updates and maybe better than some. I believe that ever time we go around this same circle, the same thing happens. People react to perception. There are lots of people that will say a lot about how terrible it is and they don't even know why. They will keep putting messages out there about how they won't upgrade because it is full of bugs and they don't even know specifically what the bugs are or what it is they are avoiding. In the end it is better most of the time to learn to work around the bugs than try to avoid a version. Apple does not allow you to fully implement your own version control. If you have to do a restore, if you have to get your device fixed or trouble shoot with someone at the Apple store or tech support on the phone, guess what, likely there is a restore to the latest version in their near future. If they have to have their device replaced... The same thing. Then guess what. They will be working around the issues that exist or putting their device away somewhere or selling it! On 9/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Mary and others, I didn't even know about the claim you can't edit first and last name. So, I just tried it and yes, it appears that once I double tap on First or Last Name, I can't flick up and down with rotor set to characters and review the name. However, I just tried the Delete key and I could delete the name without any difficulties and type it in again. I would also classify this as extremely low on the list of important bugs because once you have a contact added, how often do you have to actually go in and edit the first and last name. I am not saying it shouldn't be fixed, but it's certainly not a dealbreaker. As far as all of the other issues, well, I don't want to sound smug or condescending, but I have been running iOS 7 since Beta 5 in mid August and first of all I don't think there are any more bugs than there were when iOS 5 or iOS 6 was released. Second, a fair number of the things people report I for one either can't reproduce or if I can I can easily find a work-around. Lastly, if as Raul also pointed out, people on here read the messages and followed the advice many of us are giving, list traffic would I think be at least 30% or more lower. I don't know how often I have seen messages about where the Delete button on the Phone keypad has gone or how can I get rid of the extra characters popping up on the keyboard if I hold my finger on a letter too long. I could come up with numerous other examples and if somebody took the time to condense these thousands of messages since the iOS 7 update into a list of actual bugs along with any potential work-arounds I still hold that iOS 7 is probably the update with the least problems and the best new feature set. Another huge chunk of messages deals with complaints about how the old notification center was better than the new, how people don't like or do like the new app switcher and stuff like that. Maybe you wonder what that has to do with the fact that many on the list feel iOS 7 is a complete let down by Apple and a huge step backward in accessibility. What I think it has to do with that is perception. People are overwhelmed with hundreds of messages each day, many are complaints about 2 or 3 things or repeats about a few bugs. One person posted that he better wait with the upgrade because such a huge jump in list traffic can only mean there are lots of problems. If you go back, however, and look at list traffic right after the iOS 4, 5 and 6 update there was just such a spike. For iOS 4 and 5 it may have seemed less because there were way less people on the list at that point. In short I feel that there is absolutely no reason why somebody who has an iPhone 4, 4S or 5 shouldn't upgrade. Yes, I know people say iOS 7 is sluggish on the iPhone 4 and even the 4S, a few even say this about the 5. I do have a 4S right now and I don't see it, maybe when you open an app for the first time it takes a second or 2 longer, but when I navigate my phone, type or activate buttons and items like an alert in the Notification Center my 4S does things just as snappily as before. I also heard from enough people who have the iPhone 4 that iOS 7 performs very well, so I conclude that if somebody has issues it's maybe because they upgraded without bothering to empty the app switcher and do a restart and things are just bogged down. It should be fairly common sense that one should not perform any major updates without doing a backup first and then making sure to close out open apps. If I install the monthly Windows updates I don't do so while I have 6
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Maybe it depends on your level of expectations, and perception. I thought IOS 6 on an iPhone 4 was slow. I’ve used an iPhone 4 with IOS 7, and found it really, really, slow. haha. I mean, the hardware is three and a half years old, has 512MB of RAM, 1 core, etc. And we are now talking about an OS which was designed with a 64 bit Processor, 1GB of RAM, and 2 cores in mind. How could the iPhone 4 not be slow? Especially with Voiceover. I guess this will be partly determined by what you do with your phone. If you just place calls and text, you probably won’t be too inconvenienced. But keep in mind, My primary device is an iPhone 5 so, I have something for comparison. I honestly think what Pablo complained about before, has little relevance here. Maybe its a bit of the boy who cried wolf? I think the downloading of the OS should be controlled by the auto update feature myself. If you have this turned off, the OS doesn’t get downloaded with out you manually doing so. And again, This issue doesn’t really bother me. I’m just point out, I’m not the segment of user who is needlessly inconvenienced either. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Ricardo, I understand Pablo's frustration to some degree. However, Pablo has an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 and he chose, and chose is the important word here, to upgrade both devices to iOS 7. He complained just as much a year ago when he upgraded from iOS 5 to iOS 6 which is why Raul posted what he posted. So, why don't we just agree that a number of people are not happy with the fact that iOS 7 automatically downloads to their device. That one I do understand and I would support them in asking Apple to make this optional. What I don't get and don't support is the complaint about his iPhone 4 running slow on iOS 7. Maybe Voiceover does make a big difference, but I know at least 4 or 5 people who have an iPhone 4 and who say iOS 7 runs just fine and for the most part it's just as responsive. I also do recall some people on the list saying that they feel some things may have slowed down a bit but that overall it's a totally acceptable experience. There are quite a few factors which make a difference as to how well a device runs and we all know that even the same model can exhibit different behaviors. What's important is that Pablo was fully aware of how Apple does things, he knew the risks and he knew that he could not downgrade. If I had an iPhone 4 I would have considered all of that before, I would have made sure I had a manual restore file of iOS 6 downloaded to my computer and then I would have upgraded right away on day 1, I would have spend a day or 2 assessing the performance and, had I not been happy, I would have downgraded while it was possible. I am fully aware that not everybody is that tech savvy and plans ahead like this, but Pablo should have known better. He has definitely a valid concern regarding the space that the update takes, but he does not have a valid point when it comes to actually installing iOS 7 on his iPhone 4 since to my best knowledge he does also own an iPhone 5 which will and does run iOS 7 very well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Sieghard. Sorry, I am responding to a message that it is not directed to me, but I see my name wrote on this message. I spoke to Apple yesterday, as I said to the list. I spoke to some body called Mike something, who is the manager of Tech support for IOs. Apple recognized that the iPhone 4 is taking a lot of problems with the IOs 7. They recognized that iPhone 4 use a processor that has to work so much for this operated system. Apple recognized that they has to fix this issue about download the IOs to the memory, without authorization. They understood that this kind of procedures affect apple and customers. Mike told me that they are receiving so much calls related with the same issue, and those calls are not from blind people. Sighted iPhone users are very unconftable with IOs 7 also. He told me that as I said, are many people waiting for a solution, and he added my name to the list of people who is expecting a solution for the iPhone 4, What will be the solution? He doesn't know. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:56 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Ricardo, I understand Pablo's frustration to some degree. However, Pablo has an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 and he chose, and chose is the important word here, to upgrade both devices to iOS 7. He complained just as much a year ago when he upgraded from iOS 5 to iOS 6 which is why Raul posted what he posted. So, why don't we just agree that a number of people are not happy with the fact that iOS 7 automatically downloads to their device. That one I do understand and I would support them in asking Apple to make this optional. What I don't get and don't support is the complaint about his iPhone 4 running slow on iOS 7. Maybe Voiceover does make a big difference, but I know at least 4 or 5 people who have an iPhone 4 and who say iOS 7 runs just fine and for the most part it's just as responsive. I also do recall some people on the list saying that they feel some things may have slowed down a bit but that overall it's a totally acceptable experience. There are quite a few factors which make a difference as to how well a device runs and we all know that even the same model can exhibit different behaviours. What's important is that Pablo was fully aware of how Apple does things, he knew the risks and he knew that he could not downgrade. If I had an iPhone 4 I would have considered all of that before, I would have made sure I had a manual restore file of iOS 6 downloaded to my computer and then I would have upgraded right away on day 1, I would have spend a day or 2 assessing the performance and, had I not been happy, I would have downgraded while it was possible. I am fully aware that not everybody is that tech savvy and plans ahead like this, but Pablo should have known better. He has definitely a valid concern regarding the space that the update takes, but he does not have a valid point when it comes to actually installing iOS 7 on his iPhone 4 since to my best knowledge he does also own an iPhone 5 which will and does run iOS 7 very well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
If we're talking about IOS 7 then the comparison has to be with an iPhone 4 running IOS 7 versus the same iPhone 4 running IOS 6. Of course the new iPhone 5s will perform better with IOS 7 than an iPhone 4. the same was true with IOS 6. I myself am running IOS 7 on an iPhone 4S, and I don't notice any appreciable performance difference. I also don't think we should let Apple off the hook. The iPhone 5s may have a 64-bit processor, 2 cores and a gig of memory, but that doesn't mean that IOS 7 was designed just for that platform. I'm sure IOS 7 will take advantage of that hardware, but remember IOS 7 is intended to run on the iPhone 4 and beyond. Apple is still manufacturing the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5C, and they have a commitment to making IOS 7 a good user experience on those platforms. There's no reason IOS 7 couldn't be tuned to run well on both the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5S. On 10/05/2013 06:29 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Maybe it depends on your level of expectations, and perception. I thought IOS 6 on an iPhone 4 was slow. I’ve used an iPhone 4 with IOS 7, and found it really, really, slow. haha. I mean, the hardware is three and a half years old, has 512MB of RAM, 1 core, etc. And we are now talking about an OS which was designed with a 64 bit Processor, 1GB of RAM, and 2 cores in mind. How could the iPhone 4 not be slow? Especially with Voiceover. I guess this will be partly determined by what you do with your phone. If you just place calls and text, you probably won’t be too inconvenienced. But keep in mind, My primary device is an iPhone 5 so, I have something for comparison. I honestly think what Pablo complained about before, has little relevance here. Maybe its a bit of the boy who cried wolf? I think the downloading of the OS should be controlled by the auto update feature myself. If you have this turned off, the OS doesn’t get downloaded with out you manually doing so. And again, This issue doesn’t really bother me. I’m just point out, I’m not the segment of user who is needlessly inconvenienced either. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Ricardo, I understand Pablo's frustration to some degree. However, Pablo has an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 and he chose, and chose is the important word here, to upgrade both devices to iOS 7. He complained just as much a year ago when he upgraded from iOS 5 to iOS 6 which is why Raul posted what he posted. So, why don't we just agree that a number of people are not happy with the fact that iOS 7 automatically downloads to their device. That one I do understand and I would support them in asking Apple to make this optional. What I don't get and don't support is the complaint about his iPhone 4 running slow on iOS 7. Maybe Voiceover does make a big difference, but I know at least 4 or 5 people who have an iPhone 4 and who say iOS 7 runs just fine and for the most part it's just as responsive. I also do recall some people on the list saying that they feel some things may have slowed down a bit but that overall it's a totally acceptable experience. There are quite a few factors which make a difference as to how well a device runs and we all know that even the same model can exhibit different behaviors. What's important is that Pablo was fully aware of how Apple does things, he knew the risks and he knew that he could not downgrade. If I had an iPhone 4 I would have considered all of that before, I would have made sure I had a manual restore file of iOS 6 downloaded to my computer and then I would have upgraded right away on day 1, I would have spend a day or 2 assessing the performance and, had I not been happy, I would have downgraded while it was possible. I am fully aware that not everybody is that tech savvy and plans ahead like this, but Pablo should have known better. He has definitely a valid concern regarding the space that the update takes, but he does not have a valid point when it comes to actually installing iOS 7 on his iPhone 4 since to my best knowledge he does also own an iPhone 5 which will and does run iOS 7 very well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I have a question. Is the upgrade one finds in the settings really on the phone? I recall I saw install and other messages when I upgraded from iTunes. Just curious. Does an upgrade take all the space the final upgrade will if you agree to download it while still in settings? reggie and Allegra On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous . Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
but if you restarted the phone before it came back on with vo, you may not have gotten the whole update. -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 4:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I had intended to upgrade over my upcoming vacation week, if not this weekend. But when I unlocked my screen and discovered that IOS 7 had already been downloaded, I decided to go ahead. I wanted to do it via ITunes, so I hooked up my phone to the computer, and upgraded that way. I had a bit of a scare when it got hung up some way or other during the beginning of the setup, but restarting my phone fixed that. So far, I just can't figure out what the big deal is about IOS 7 being so bad. Sure, there are things I will have to learn, but I have Mr. Mosen's book, and a bunch of messages I have yet to read from this list, So far, I think I will like it better. Referring to an earlier message from today, if somebody offered me that $50 to downgrade, I would, then would upgrade again when I had their $50 safely in my pocket. After all, as of this writing, I still have the encrypted backup I made just before my upgrade. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. That's what I ended up doing yesterday. christopher...@gmail.com On 28/09/2013 19:11, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: HI. YOu could simply mute voice over with a 3 finger double tap when in a call and repeat when you want speech back on. I hope this helps regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 29/09/2013, at 3:09 AM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Yes, it is on the phone and takes up space. Mine downloaded and is sitting there waiting to be installed and there is definitely less space on my phone than there was before the download. It's okay because I don't have music on my phone, but I really don't like that it downloaded and is taking up that space. Donna tcors...@cfl.rr.com -Original Message- From: Regina Alvarado Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I have a question. Is the upgrade one finds in the settings really on the phone? I recall I saw install and other messages when I upgraded from iTunes. Just curious. Does an upgrade take all the space the final upgrade will if you agree to download it while still in settings? reggie and Allegra On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I agree. Apple should push the update only when asked and when it is agreed to. I think they have been doing this a while, though. I saw updates waiting back when I did the first upgrade of 5 something. Out course, maybe they were not as big as this one. reggie and Allegra On Oct 5, 2013, at 10:29 AM, tcors...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Yes, it is on the phone and takes up space. Mine downloaded and is sitting there waiting to be installed and there is definitely less space on my phone than there was before the download. It's okay because I don't have music on my phone, but I really don't like that it downloaded and is taking up that space. Donna tcors...@cfl.rr.com -Original Message- From: Regina Alvarado Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 10:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I have a question. Is the upgrade one finds in the settings really on the phone? I recall I saw install and other messages when I upgraded from iTunes. Just curious. Does an upgrade take all the space the final upgrade will if you agree to download it while still in settings? reggie and Allegra On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I don't think he is saying he upgraded. I think he s saying that the ios7 shouldn't be downloaded to a phone that he doesn't want to upgrade. -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous . Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you paid it with money, good money. What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the software that they created, that works better is a right? No, it is not a right. On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Yeah. I pointed out most of what you mentioned below. But, being able to work with something doesn’t mean that it will work well. I mean, I remember Windows XP minimum requirements were a joke. Maybe, you could get a machine running with Microsofts posted minimum requirements but, I doubt it would be a fun experience. Throw in a screen reader on top? You have a disaster on your hands. lol. Of course, its not to this extreme with an iPhone 4 running IOS 7 but, I think we might be a bit delusional if we think the performance won’t degrade with IOS 7. And keep in mind, the 4S was the first dual core variant of the iPhone. So even your 4S has a distinct advantage over an iPhone 4. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: If we're talking about IOS 7 then the comparison has to be with an iPhone 4 running IOS 7 versus the same iPhone 4 running IOS 6. Of course the new iPhone 5s will perform better with IOS 7 than an iPhone 4. the same was true with IOS 6. I myself am running IOS 7 on an iPhone 4S, and I don't notice any appreciable performance difference. I also don't think we should let Apple off the hook. The iPhone 5s may have a 64-bit processor, 2 cores and a gig of memory, but that doesn't mean that IOS 7 was designed just for that platform. I'm sure IOS 7 will take advantage of that hardware, but remember IOS 7 is intended to run on the iPhone 4 and beyond. Apple is still manufacturing the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5C, and they have a commitment to making IOS 7 a good user experience on those platforms. There's no reason IOS 7 couldn't be tuned to run well on both the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5S. On 10/05/2013 06:29 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, Maybe it depends on your level of expectations, and perception. I thought IOS 6 on an iPhone 4 was slow. I’ve used an iPhone 4 with IOS 7, and found it really, really, slow. haha. I mean, the hardware is three and a half years old, has 512MB of RAM, 1 core, etc. And we are now talking about an OS which was designed with a 64 bit Processor, 1GB of RAM, and 2 cores in mind. How could the iPhone 4 not be slow? Especially with Voiceover. I guess this will be partly determined by what you do with your phone. If you just place calls and text, you probably won’t be too inconvenienced. But keep in mind, My primary device is an iPhone 5 so, I have something for comparison. I honestly think what Pablo complained about before, has little relevance here. Maybe its a bit of the boy who cried wolf? I think the downloading of the OS should be controlled by the auto update feature myself. If you have this turned off, the OS doesn’t get downloaded with out you manually doing so. And again, This issue doesn’t really bother me. I’m just point out, I’m not the segment of user who is needlessly inconvenienced either. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Ricardo, I understand Pablo's frustration to some degree. However, Pablo has an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 and he chose, and chose is the important word here, to upgrade both devices to iOS 7. He complained just as much a year ago when he upgraded from iOS 5 to iOS 6 which is why Raul posted what he posted. So, why don't we just agree that a number of people are not happy with the fact that iOS 7 automatically downloads to their device. That one I do understand and I would support them in asking Apple to make this optional. What I don't get and don't support is the complaint about his iPhone 4 running slow on iOS 7. Maybe Voiceover does make a big difference, but I know at least 4 or 5 people who have an iPhone 4 and who say iOS 7 runs just fine and for the most part it's just as responsive. I also do recall some people on the list saying that they feel some things may have slowed down a bit but that overall it's a totally acceptable experience. There are quite a few factors which make a difference as to how well a device runs and we all know that even the same model can exhibit different behaviors. What's important is that Pablo was fully aware of how Apple does things, he knew the risks and he knew that he could not downgrade. If I had an iPhone 4 I would have considered all of that before, I would have made sure I had a manual restore file of iOS 6 downloaded to my computer and then I would have upgraded right away on day 1, I would have spend a day or 2 assessing the performance and, had I not been happy, I would have downgraded while it was possible. I am fully aware that not everybody is that tech savvy and plans ahead like this, but Pablo should have known better. He has definitely a valid concern regarding the space that the update takes, but
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I actually do. I will be playing dice world or salara or lost cities and be half asleep. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Neil, You know, I hear people sleep walk and do all sorts of things they have no knowledge of the next morning. I wonder if people sleep tap *smile* And no, there is no way, and I mean no way whatsoever, that iOS 7 installs itself without you going into Settings, General, Software Update and tapping on Install, then agreeing to the Terms and Conditions and as Raul pointed out to tap the I Agree a second time. If I counted correctly that means 6 double taps and a bunch of swipes or moving your finger around the screen to find all the buttons. I also remember a number of Pablo's posts exactly one year ago, I bet if you took them and replaced iOS 6 with iOS 7 they would sound almost identical. Of course now iOS 6 which Pablo thought was so horrible after he upgraded from iOS 5 is the nice and perfectly working OS, let's all look forward to reading the same one year from now when iOS 8 comes out! Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Pablo, May I suggest that when IOS 8 comes out next year that you wait at least 3 months before you upgrade. That way you'll get what you expect in the first day of the release. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous . Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you paid it with money, good money. What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a lot of bugs, and they don't allow us
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, My question is: Why are people in such a hurry to download and install a new product? Isn't it a fact that new software is always buggy? Isn't it true that when a new software comes out, they are not even quite finished taking the bugs out of the old one? Why is it that a lot of big companies are just moving to Windows 7 now? My suggestion is that, if you want everything perfect, you don't use any high tech device. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 11:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step backwards. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous . Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you paid it with money, good money. What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the software that they created, that works better is a right? No, it is not a right. On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use the software. On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: So is it running slow on the 5s as well? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most apps is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority of apps. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
is it running slow on the 5s as well? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most apps is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority of apps. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous . Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you paid
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I find that really hard to believe that for no apparent reason and by no action taken on your part that iOS 7 just started downloading and installing on your iPhone. Before the installation can happen, you would have to agree to the terms and conditions first. Are you sure that you didn't start it yourself? Even accidentally? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous . Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you paid it with money, good money. What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the software that they created, that works better is a right? No, it is not a right. On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use the software. On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: So is it running slow on the 5s as well? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Raul very well put. Yes Apple has downloaded software to your phone. Whether we agree with this or not I would be willing to bet lots of money that everyone agreed to this when they clicked I Agree at the time of installing software. Also as I and others have stated before a phone will not be upgraded unless you agree to the terms by tapping agree. The best suggestion I can give to someone if you don't like change or don't want to deal with bugs don't install a software package till others who are willing to deal with these issues have tested it and say it has no bugs. On 10/4/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I find that really hard to believe that for no apparent reason and by no action taken on your part that iOS 7 just started downloading and installing on your iPhone. Before the installation can happen, you would have to agree to the terms and conditions first. Are you sure that you didn't start it yourself? Even accidentally? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous . Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't paid it with a check without funds, you paid it with money, good money. What right are you talking about. They installed the data in my iPhone, without my agreement, they offert a good IOs, but it brings a lot of bugs, and they don't allow us to come back to the software that they created, that works better is a right? No, it is not a right. On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use the software. On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: So is it running slow on the 5s as well? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step backwards. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Neil, You know, I hear people sleep walk and do all sorts of things they have no knowledge of the next morning. I wonder if people sleep tap *smile* And no, there is no way, and I mean no way whatsoever, that iOS 7 installs itself without you going into Settings, General, Software Update and tapping on Install, then agreeing to the Terms and Conditions and as Raul pointed out to tap the I Agree a second time. If I counted correctly that means 6 double taps and a bunch of swipes or moving your finger around the screen to find all the buttons. I also remember a number of Pablo's posts exactly one year ago, I bet if you took them and replaced iOS 6 with iOS 7 they would sound almost identical. Of course now iOS 6 which Pablo thought was so horrible after he upgraded from iOS 5 is the nice and perfectly working OS, let's all look forward to reading the same one year from now when iOS 8 comes out! Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full thinker. yes, there are bugs with new iOS releases, but seriously dude, are the bugs worse than what you gain? And if that is true, then why did you update? I'm not talking about the fact that Apple downloaded the iOS on your phone to be ready, I'm talking about your willingness to choose to instal, choose to agree to the terms that I bet you didn't read, and then choose to use iOS7. Apple didn't force your fingers to tap the install and the agree button. And in face, there are two agree buttons just to make sure. So, my friend, you had a choice to upgrade. Now live with it. if this sounds harsh, so be it. If you look at the glass as half-full you will see that despite the bugs, iOS 7 does have a lot of nice things to offer. Also, the bugs will get worked out given some time. yes, Apple may have pushed it out quickly, but seriously, the majority of the millions of users who use the iPhone daily love it fine and don't complain about it because it's what they want. This isn't a personal attack on you, obviously you have the right to express your opinion, and that's what I'm doing as well, but maybe you should consider that there is good in the new release and not all bad. You did the exact same thing with iOS 6 when you upgraded to it. So, this leads me to believe that you always think negatively. If you hate Apple and iPhones so much, why do you even bother having one? -- Raul A. Gallegos I don't think I could kill someone. Let's face it, the closest I've got to murder is holding an Oreo under the milk until the bubbles stop. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 10/4/2013 3:43 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Gary, You can still enter contacts and even edit them, the bug is that you can't apparently move the cursor in a few fields and I hope you have sent an email to Apple Accessible outlining the issue in a constructive, non-confrontational way. This is a bit like a democratic political system which, I understand, the US once had (sorry, couldn't resist that one). Anyhow, what I mean is that if I hear people complain about the government, the first thing I do is ask whether they voted at the last election. If they say No I usually tell them to shut up because they really don't have a right to complain since they didn't participate in selecting the government. OK, so Apple is no democracy, but the prinziple is the same, unless you participate in sending emails to Apple Accessibility, you can't really complain about the bugs. As Ricardo or Richard (I forget who) pointed out, the iPhone 5S and 5C only came out 2 weeks ago today and Apple gives you a generous 30 days to return a product. So, if you don't like it and think you can find another phone which offers you better accessibility, just return your iPhone. We must also not forget that Apple is a huge company. They have many departments, divisions and teams and while I am sure they all try their best to work together, there often are rivaleries and such going on between various product teams. I am quite convinced that the accessibility team would prefer to have twice as much money and twice as many people to make accessibility the best there is, but they have to do what they can with what they have and while they might have a fix for an issue, Apple is unlikely to push out an update with one or two Voiceover fixes only. If history is right and it usually is, we are now probably only 4 or 5 weeks away from iOS 7.1 which in the past years always included accessibility fixes along with other feature improvements and bug fixes. I think it's important especially in the weeks after a new iOS first comes out to send lots of feedback to Apple Accessibility so they can see where the bugs are and how to prioritize them. This is why it's also important that everybody who reads about a bug should try to reproduce it and if they can which in the case of editing Contacts seems to be the case, they should send in an email and not just take the lazy approach and think Oh well, I'm sure a few others already did so I don't have to. If Apple gets 500 emails about this and only 50 about something else I am pretty convinced that the problem reported by 500 people will be higher up in the list than the problem reported by 50. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Only one person said that it downloaded and loaded. The rest of those of us who are concerned here either loaded the software and regret it or are waiting and having limited space taken up by whatever got downloaded. I'm not at all sure that had I known that I would have trouble entering contacts as has been described on this list, that I would have chosen to buy this phone. What's easily gotten around by the experienced is not so by a newby. Now, I came in with my contacts having been transferred from my previous phone. It's now not as big a deal as it would have been when I was first getting a phone and entering most of my contacts, but it might very easily not have been that way. I want a phone that's a convenience not a chore. I use a computer and don't tinker much. This looks like a decided step backwards. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Raul. Nice post, and a question. Are there any ways in which Apple would load a new iOS without someone pressing the I agree button or other buttons as well? To hear people tell it, this magically happens in the night with no knowledge of the user. Yes? No? Can we lay this one to rest at last, but then I think that's what your previous message actually did. I was just curious if this had actually happened to anyone though I cannot think that it has. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, you might consider the glass of water analogy. Is it half-empty for you or half-full for you? Are you a half-empty thinker? It certainly seems like it by the tone of your messages. I'm more of a half-full
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
One thing to keep in mind here is that you didn't buy a blank memory stick or a device where you can load your own operating system. You didn't just buy a piece of hardware. You bought the operating system and you bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. You get a lot of advantages from the ecosystem, such as built in accessibility, a simpler interface, greater security, virtually no fragmentation and so on. I agree that we have the right to ask Apple for different features, but I don't think access to every byte of memory on our iPhone is a right. The OS already takes up a certain amount of space. Every time Apple implements a new feature, the operating system gets a little larger. Apple could just increase the amount of space IOS consumes and build in an area of memory exclusively used for upgrades, and we'd be none the wiser. Like I said, we can ask Apple to change, but supporting multiple OS's will cost Apple and app developers, and these costs will be passed onto the consumers. Apple has also been wildly successful with this model, so much so that Microsoft and even Google are starting to emulate this model. On 10/04/2013 01:56 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Thanks Jonathan. You explained it with better words. You have been clear, direct, and objective to this point. Any body has rights on our property. We have in the constitution the right for the property. Any body can fill the storage memory of our devices with data that can not be remove, and the only way to remove it is installing the operated system that apple imposed to us. Apple created the way to push us to buy new devices, making the iPhone 4 very slows, and downloading data to our devices, filling space in our iDevices, and the only way to remove the data stored in our devices is installing the operated system. Raul, what did I game? I don't see a lot of benefits in hand writing, or in the control center, or in, what else? Now if the cup is half empty or half full. Obviously is almost empty, because the number of bugs of IOs 7 are a lot, not a few. The iPhone 4 is very slow, and apple forced me to install the IOs 7 downloading it and filling the memory of my iPhone, without my permission. Neal , yes, is a way that is worse. the way is download the IOs 7 without our authorizations to our iPhones, filling memory space. Is no way to remove that data fill by apple without our authorizations, the way to do it, is installing the update, and pressing double tab on the agree button. So, yes, is another way to do it. It is call forcing people to press the agree button. Alan, no, of course it doesn't install automatically. But it download automatically. The way to recover that space, is obligate the people to press double tab on the agree button. Why I got an apple phone? Because when I bought it, it was working nicely. But it is in the pass, now apple forced me to install the update, filling my memory store with an update that I didn't want to use. Now, If I buy the phone seeing how it works now? Never. - Original Message - *From:* Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 12:24 PM *Subject:* Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi everyone, I have a lot more sympathy for Pablo's position than many of you seem to have. Since I paid to test iOS 7, I was prepared for the onslaught of negativity that I think is pretty justified for a release that has more serious VoiceOver bugs than any other I can remember. As a tester, I could always go back, so as Raul very nicely put it, I could decide whether I viewed the cup as half full or half empty, or in other words, did the very real benefits offered in 7 outweigh the annoying bugs that might tempt me to go back to 6. In the end, I decided that I'd stick with 7, knowing that there'd be a point where that decision was final and there'd be no turning back. This is a decision that i took that is personal to me, based on the way I use my particular device. Other's might make a different choice. That's if they had the choice to make, of course. End users had a relatively short time to evaluate iOS 7 and its impact on daily usage before it became impossible to revert to 6. When you throw a screen reader into the mix, that evaluation process is even more complex. The irony is that if your iOS device malfunctioned, and you needed to get it replaced with a refurbished unit, if it's an iPhone 5 it would come with iOS 6 on it today. So indirectly, Apple is signalling that the way to get iOS 6 back again is to subtly break your phone in a way that doesn't put it out of warranty. If I upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8, and find that the benefits don't outweigh some of the annoyances I have with the new user interface
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Christopher, this point is not related with your point. The issue is not if the memory is blank. The issue is apple is obligating us to install IOs 7 filling the memory with data that is not the operated system. So the issue is not the memory space fulled by the operated system. The issue is the memory that is occupating the second operated system stored in the memory. The issue is that apple downloaded and full that memory without or permission. So we are talking about 2 operated system stored in the memory, One installed, and other waiting to be install. On the other hand, I don't see a lot of benefits to the users of IOs 7 in an iPhone 4. Security? What security if the most part of the apple users don't jeilbreak their devices? What security if is my right to keep my iPhone unsecured or secure. Is my right to run the operated system that works better with my device, my device, no the apple device. You know, right to the property. I have the right to allow or do not allow the download to data to my device. More when the download is so big. Again, these are our properties, no the apple properties. They can create what ever IOs wants, but is our right to install it when ever we want, if we want. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. One thing to keep in mind here is that you didn't buy a blank memory stick or a device where you can load your own operating system. You didn't just buy a piece of hardware. You bought the operating system and you bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. You get a lot of advantages from the ecosystem, such as built in accessibility, a simpler interface, greater security, virtually no fragmentation and so on. I agree that we have the right to ask Apple for different features, but I don't think access to every byte of memory on our iPhone is a right. The OS already takes up a certain amount of space. Every time Apple implements a new feature, the operating system gets a little larger. Apple could just increase the amount of space IOS consumes and build in an area of memory exclusively used for upgrades, and we'd be none the wiser. Like I said, we can ask Apple to change, but supporting multiple OS's will cost Apple and app developers, and these costs will be passed onto the consumers. Apple has also been wildly successful with this model, so much so that Microsoft and even Google are starting to emulate this model. On 10/04/2013 01:56 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Thanks Jonathan. You explained it with better words. You have been clear, direct, and objective to this point. Any body has rights on our property. We have in the constitution the right for the property. Any body can fill the storage memory of our devices with data that can not be remove, and the only way to remove it is installing the operated system that apple imposed to us. Apple created the way to push us to buy new devices, making the iPhone 4 very slows, and downloading data to our devices, filling space in our iDevices, and the only way to remove the data stored in our devices is installing the operated system. Raul, what did I game? I don't see a lot of benefits in hand writing, or in the control center, or in, what else? Now if the cup is half empty or half full. Obviously is almost empty, because the number of bugs of IOs 7 are a lot, not a few. The iPhone 4 is very slow, and apple forced me to install the IOs 7 downloading it and filling the memory of my iPhone, without my permission. Neal , yes, is a way that is worse. the way is download the IOs 7 without our authorizations to our iPhones, filling memory space. Is no way to remove that data fill by apple without our authorizations, the way to do it, is installing the update, and pressing double tab on the agree button. So, yes, is another way to do it. It is call forcing people to press the agree button. Alan, no, of course it doesn't install automatically. But it download automatically. The way to recover that space, is obligate the people to press double tab on the agree button. Why I got an apple phone? Because when I bought it, it was working nicely. But it is in the pass, now apple forced me to install the update, filling my memory store with an update that I didn't want to use. Now, If I buy the phone seeing how it works now? Never. - Original Message - *From:* Jonathan Mosen mailto:jmo...@mosen.org *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 04, 2013 12:24 PM *Subject:* Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi everyone, I have a lot more sympathy for Pablo's position than many of you seem to have. Since I paid to test iOS 7, I was prepared for the onslaught
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
So, you have two choices currently. You can go with Apple, who is focused on user experience. This company has learned that the vast majority of their users prefers the upgraded iOS to automatically be downloaded to the device so that they can update, whenever and wherever they choose in as easy a way as possible. With this model, the only way you can keep the system from setting up to offer the upgrade nice and ready for installation is to keep your memory at less than 1.5 GB of available storage as this is how much the update takes up if you do not start the process manually. If you do start the process manually, 3 GB of space is required. Apple makes it very clear that, once you upgrade, you cannot downgrade again. Because of this, Apple stops supporting the previous version shortly after the new version is released. Your other option is Android. Android gives almost the same level of control and customisation that one receives on a Windows desktop. However, phone manufacturers are free to modify the Android OS before you ever receive the phone. Unlike with Apple, where the previous three years worth of models are supported for upgrades, Android phones are well-known for the fact that upgrade availability can take a year or longer after release before your device upgrade becomes available from your product manufacturer / carrier. According to things I have read, Android does not have priority for supporting older devices with new OS, so you may acquire an Android device running the current version and never be able to upgrade. In many cases, this can be gotten around if you are technical enough to remove your OS and install a different / upgraded version of the OS, but this action may well 'brick' your device (as a friend recently discovered). If that happens, your only option is purchasing a new device. In other words, nothing is perfect. No solution is going to make everyone happy. The question you must ask yourself is, which approach better matches you. Then, you must accept the trade-offs that you acquire with that device's approach. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 5 Oct 2013, at 8:59, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Christopher, this point is not related with your point. The issue is not if the memory is blank. The issue is apple is obligating us to install IOs 7 filling the memory with data that is not the operated system. So the issue is not the memory space fulled by the operated system. The issue is the memory that is occupating the second operated system stored in the memory. The issue is that apple downloaded and full that memory without or permission. So we are talking about 2 operated system stored in the memory, One installed, and other waiting to be install. On the other hand, I don't see a lot of benefits to the users of IOs 7 in an iPhone 4. Security? What security if the most part of the apple users don't jeilbreak their devices? What security if is my right to keep my iPhone unsecured or secure. Is my right to run the operated system that works better with my device, my device, no the apple device. You know, right to the property. I have the right to allow or do not allow the download to data to my device. More when the download is so big. Again, these are our properties, no the apple properties. They can create what ever IOs wants, but is our right to install it when ever we want, if we want. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. One thing to keep in mind here is that you didn't buy a blank memory stick or a device where you can load your own operating system. You didn't just buy a piece of hardware. You bought the operating system and you bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. You get a lot of advantages from the ecosystem, such as built in accessibility, a simpler interface, greater security, virtually no fragmentation and so on. I agree that we have the right to ask Apple for different features, but I don't think access to every byte of memory on our iPhone is a right. The OS already takes up a certain amount of space. Every time Apple implements a new feature, the operating system gets a little larger. Apple could just increase the amount of space IOS consumes and build in an area of memory exclusively used for upgrades, and we'd be none the wiser. Like I said, we can ask Apple to change, but supporting multiple OS's will cost Apple and app developers, and these costs will be passed onto the consumers. Apple has also been wildly successful with this model, so much so that Microsoft and even Google are starting to emulate this model. On 10/04/2013 01:56 PM, Pablo Morales wrote
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, I think we'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't think these are rights. When you buy an Apple device, you're buying a piece of hardware, an operating system and you're buying into an ecosystem. You're saying, I want an easy to use secure system. I don't want the security issues I see on other platforms. I don't want to buy an older hand set and not be able to get the latest software. I want someone checking the apps I can install on my phone and make sure they work and aren't full of malware. I'm not necessarily a fan of Apple's business model, but I bought an iPhone, and I'm not going to claim my rights are being violated because I chose to buy into Apple's way of doing things. On 10/04/2013 02:59 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Christopher, this point is not related with your point. The issue is not if the memory is blank. The issue is apple is obligating us to install IOs 7 filling the memory with data that is not the operated system. So the issue is not the memory space fulled by the operated system. The issue is the memory that is occupating the second operated system stored in the memory. The issue is that apple downloaded and full that memory without or permission. So we are talking about 2 operated system stored in the memory, One installed, and other waiting to be install. On the other hand, I don't see a lot of benefits to the users of IOs 7 in an iPhone 4. Security? What security if the most part of the apple users don't jeilbreak their devices? What security if is my right to keep my iPhone unsecured or secure. Is my right to run the operated system that works better with my device, my device, no the apple device. You know, right to the property. I have the right to allow or do not allow the download to data to my device. More when the download is so big. Again, these are our properties, no the apple properties. They can create what ever IOs wants, but is our right to install it when ever we want, if we want. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. One thing to keep in mind here is that you didn't buy a blank memory stick or a device where you can load your own operating system. You didn't just buy a piece of hardware. You bought the operating system and you bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. You get a lot of advantages from the ecosystem, such as built in accessibility, a simpler interface, greater security, virtually no fragmentation and so on. I agree that we have the right to ask Apple for different features, but I don't think access to every byte of memory on our iPhone is a right. The OS already takes up a certain amount of space. Every time Apple implements a new feature, the operating system gets a little larger. Apple could just increase the amount of space IOS consumes and build in an area of memory exclusively used for upgrades, and we'd be none the wiser. Like I said, we can ask Apple to change, but supporting multiple OS's will cost Apple and app developers, and these costs will be passed onto the consumers. Apple has also been wildly successful with this model, so much so that Microsoft and even Google are starting to emulate this model. On 10/04/2013 01:56 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Thanks Jonathan. You explained it with better words. You have been clear, direct, and objective to this point. Any body has rights on our property. We have in the constitution the right for the property. Any body can fill the storage memory of our devices with data that can not be remove, and the only way to remove it is installing the operated system that apple imposed to us. Apple created the way to push us to buy new devices, making the iPhone 4 very slows, and downloading data to our devices, filling space in our iDevices, and the only way to remove the data stored in our devices is installing the operated system. Raul, what did I game? I don't see a lot of benefits in hand writing, or in the control center, or in, what else? Now if the cup is half empty or half full. Obviously is almost empty, because the number of bugs of IOs 7 are a lot, not a few. The iPhone 4 is very slow, and apple forced me to install the IOs 7 downloading it and filling the memory of my iPhone, without my permission. Neal , yes, is a way that is worse. the way is download the IOs 7 without our authorizations to our iPhones, filling memory space. Is no way to remove that data fill by apple without our authorizations, the way to do it, is installing the update, and pressing double tab on the agree button. So, yes, is another way to do it. It is call forcing people to press the agree button. Alan, no, of course it doesn't install automatically. But it download automatically. The way to recover that space, is obligate the people to press double tab on the agree button. Why I got an apple
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
very easy choice. I bought an iPhone that worked fine. I want my iPhone working fine, as it was when I bought it. The device that I have, is not that I bought. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 4:24 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. So, you have two choices currently. You can go with Apple, who is focused on user experience. This company has learned that the vast majority of their users prefers the upgraded iOS to automatically be downloaded to the device so that they can update, whenever and wherever they choose in as easy a way as possible. With this model, the only way you can keep the system from setting up to offer the upgrade nice and ready for installation is to keep your memory at less than 1.5 GB of available storage as this is how much the update takes up if you do not start the process manually. If you do start the process manually, 3 GB of space is required. Apple makes it very clear that, once you upgrade, you cannot downgrade again. Because of this, Apple stops supporting the previous version shortly after the new version is released. Your other option is Android. Android gives almost the same level of control and customisation that one receives on a Windows desktop. However, phone manufacturers are free to modify the Android OS before you ever receive the phone. Unlike with Apple, where the previous three years worth of models are supported for upgrades, Android phones are well-known for the fact that upgrade availability can take a year or longer after release before your device upgrade becomes available from your product manufacturer / carrier. According to things I have read, Android does not have priority for supporting older devices with new OS, so you may acquire an Android device running the current version and never be able to upgrade. In many cases, this can be gotten around if you are technical enough to remove your OS and install a different / upgraded version of the OS, but this action may well 'brick' your device (as a friend recently discovered). If that happens, your only option is purchasing a new device. In other words, nothing is perfect. No solution is going to make everyone happy. The question you must ask yourself is, which approach better matches you. Then, you must accept the trade-offs that you acquire with that device's approach. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 5 Oct 2013, at 8:59, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Christopher, this point is not related with your point. The issue is not if the memory is blank. The issue is apple is obligating us to install IOs 7 filling the memory with data that is not the operated system. So the issue is not the memory space fulled by the operated system. The issue is the memory that is occupating the second operated system stored in the memory. The issue is that apple downloaded and full that memory without or permission. So we are talking about 2 operated system stored in the memory, One installed, and other waiting to be install. On the other hand, I don't see a lot of benefits to the users of IOs 7 in an iPhone 4. Security? What security if the most part of the apple users don't jeilbreak their devices? What security if is my right to keep my iPhone unsecured or secure. Is my right to run the operated system that works better with my device, my device, no the apple device. You know, right to the property. I have the right to allow or do not allow the download to data to my device. More when the download is so big. Again, these are our properties, no the apple properties. They can create what ever IOs wants, but is our right to install it when ever we want, if we want. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. One thing to keep in mind here is that you didn't buy a blank memory stick or a device where you can load your own operating system. You didn't just buy a piece of hardware. You bought the operating system and you bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. You get a lot of advantages from the ecosystem, such as built in accessibility, a simpler interface, greater security, virtually no fragmentation and so on. I agree that we have the right to ask Apple for different features, but I don't think access to every byte of memory on our iPhone is a right. The OS already takes up a certain amount of space. Every time Apple implements a new feature, the operating system gets a little larger. Apple could just increase the amount of space IOS consumes and build in an area of memory exclusively used
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, First, since I’m running an iPhone 5, and its 32GB, this doesn’t really affect me. But, if I was running an iPhone 4, with 16 or even 8GB, I think this would really piss me off. And not to mention the space taken up by a download you don’t want, and had no choice in declining, your only option is to then install to free up the space to an OS which the hardware is under powered to use smoothly. I think this is really the point of Pablo’s frustration. He was in a total lose lose situation. Have a big chunk of space taken up by an update, or, install the update and have your phone sluggish as all hell. I’m just curious, are any of you guys running an iPhone 4? I bet you aren’t. lol. If so, I think you would be singing a slightly different tune. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:21 AM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Raul very well put. Yes Apple has downloaded software to your phone. Whether we agree with this or not I would be willing to bet lots of money that everyone agreed to this when they clicked I Agree at the time of installing software. Also as I and others have stated before a phone will not be upgraded unless you agree to the terms by tapping agree. The best suggestion I can give to someone if you don't like change or don't want to deal with bugs don't install a software package till others who are willing to deal with these issues have tested it and say it has no bugs. On 10/4/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I find that really hard to believe that for no apparent reason and by no action taken on your part that iOS 7 just started downloading and installing on your iPhone. Before the installation can happen, you would have to agree to the terms and conditions first. Are you sure that you didn't start it yourself? Even accidentally? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right, it is a command.So, I don't see my email, ridiculous . Do not forget something. The device that you use, wasn't free. You paid for that, and you paid money that is not a little bit of money, it was money that could be the payment for a whole year of work in many countries on the world. Money that you paid, and it is money that you paid because you were buying a good device. No a cheaper device. So, I don't see my email as you said. ridiculous . But let me tell you in my opinion what is ridiculous . ridiculous is when we pay to a company that created a good software, a good hardware, hardware and software that made a difference in your life. But later they changed the software, and you start to get problems with many things in your device, but you fill ok, because every IOs bring bugs. It is ridiculous , because you didn't pay with money cracked, you didn't
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well said Ricardo, and there is actually a third choice other than use Apple and lump it, or change to Android. That is to determine whether Apple has breached consumer guarantee law in your country and pursue redress under that law. Even Apple is not above the law. Frankly Pablo, I think going on about the US Constitution weakens your argument. But there are consumer laws which vary from country to country, and possibly in the US from state to state, that may help you here and there will be many jurisdictions where you have a valid case. I for one would like to see disgruntled purchasers take them on over this, and not simply throw in the towel and go to Android. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 5/10/2013, at 11:11 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, First, since I’m running an iPhone 5, and its 32GB, this doesn’t really affect me. But, if I was running an iPhone 4, with 16 or even 8GB, I think this would really piss me off. And not to mention the space taken up by a download you don’t want, and had no choice in declining, your only option is to then install to free up the space to an OS which the hardware is under powered to use smoothly. I think this is really the point of Pablo’s frustration. He was in a total lose lose situation. Have a big chunk of space taken up by an update, or, install the update and have your phone sluggish as all hell. I’m just curious, are any of you guys running an iPhone 4? I bet you aren’t. lol. If so, I think you would be singing a slightly different tune. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:21 AM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Raul very well put. Yes Apple has downloaded software to your phone. Whether we agree with this or not I would be willing to bet lots of money that everyone agreed to this when they clicked I Agree at the time of installing software. Also as I and others have stated before a phone will not be upgraded unless you agree to the terms by tapping agree. The best suggestion I can give to someone if you don't like change or don't want to deal with bugs don't install a software package till others who are willing to deal with these issues have tested it and say it has no bugs. On 10/4/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: I find that really hard to believe that for no apparent reason and by no action taken on your part that iOS 7 just started downloading and installing on your iPhone. Before the installation can happen, you would have to agree to the terms and conditions first. Are you sure that you didn't start it yourself? Even accidentally? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:43 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, it could be ridiculous for you. Even though, when I see that the IOs is downloaded automatically to my iPhone, without my agreement, and it is filling space in my iPhone, and is no way to remove that information stored in my iPhone, I don't see so ridiculous my email. Either apple. When an IOs update appear, every body is looking for improvements in the operated system, we are not looking for bugs, or steps back in our devices. So I don't see so ridiculous my email. Less when the apple devices are the more expensive devices, no when apple is a company that sales iDevices for a price that for the most part of the people on the world, are impossible. When you say that apple give us the right to use their software, but at the same time they are storing data in my iPhone with out my permission, and the only way to make that space free is installing the IOs 7, is not a freedom, it is not a right the god apple gives to us. This is a command from apple. so I don't see so ridiculous my email. when we install a new IOs, every body is waiting improvements, not bugs, and not bunches of bugs as IOs 7 has. Even though, as you say, apple give us the right to use their software, thing that is not a right, it is a command, but their software is not working well, but we are not able to go back to the IOs that was working better, it is a right? No, it is not a right
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Ricardo, I understand Pablo's frustration to some degree. However, Pablo has an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 and he chose, and chose is the important word here, to upgrade both devices to iOS 7. He complained just as much a year ago when he upgraded from iOS 5 to iOS 6 which is why Raul posted what he posted. So, why don't we just agree that a number of people are not happy with the fact that iOS 7 automatically downloads to their device. That one I do understand and I would support them in asking Apple to make this optional. What I don't get and don't support is the complaint about his iPhone 4 running slow on iOS 7. Maybe Voiceover does make a big difference, but I know at least 4 or 5 people who have an iPhone 4 and who say iOS 7 runs just fine and for the most part it's just as responsive. I also do recall some people on the list saying that they feel some things may have slowed down a bit but that overall it's a totally acceptable experience. There are quite a few factors which make a difference as to how well a device runs and we all know that even the same model can exhibit different behaviours. What's important is that Pablo was fully aware of how Apple does things, he knew the risks and he knew that he could not downgrade. If I had an iPhone 4 I would have considered all of that before, I would have made sure I had a manual restore file of iOS 6 downloaded to my computer and then I would have upgraded right away on day 1, I would have spend a day or 2 assessing the performance and, had I not been happy, I would have downgraded while it was possible. I am fully aware that not everybody is that tech savvy and plans ahead like this, but Pablo should have known better. He has definitely a valid concern regarding the space that the update takes, but he does not have a valid point when it comes to actually installing iOS 7 on his iPhone 4 since to my best knowledge he does also own an iPhone 5 which will and does run iOS 7 very well. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most apps is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority of apps. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Sieghard. You said, 4 or 5 seconds. Just opening an app. But you have to add the seconds that you are taking for un lock the phone, that now is slower, the extra time that takes voice over to respond, the extra time that now open the folders, so it will be a time that is absurd to say that we can miss because we are not a very busy people. Just start the following landscape. We had iDevices that was working fine, we had iDevices that each year when apple update the IOs, get additional problems, and now the speed is another problem in the bag. As a customer, I have the right to make complain for something that was working fine, and the mandatory update of apple became my device in something that is not working well, and the speed is worse than ever. It is my right, and apple has not right to modify my device, device that I bought and I am the owner. The apple modifications made my device slower, and the quality is worse also. It is not the device that I bought 1 or 2 years ago. If we as customers allow the companies to do what ever they want with us, and with our property, then we are missing the rights that the constitution, and local and federal laws gave us as customers. The mandatory update is illegal, when the update became our devices in slower devices, and with accessibility problems. Any body has rights on our property. Any update is mandatory, apple has not right to download the IOs 7 with out our permission, apple has not right to become our devices in slower devices, and with problems with the accessibility, problems that we didn't have before this update. Apple is not god, apple has any right on my property. They can to do what ever they want in their property, they can create iPhones very bad if they want, they can create IOs also very bad, but they can not force us to update our devices. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:12 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Pablo, Seriously, an extra 2 or 3 seconds is a big deal? You must be a very busy person *smile* Anyhow, on my 4S some apps do take maybe up to 4 or 5 seconds to fully load, but often that is only the case when I first open them. The Audible app for example opens right away, let's say 2 seconds, then it takes another 2 or 3 seconds for all the buttons and such to be useable. In total that is 4 or 5 seconds, but I find that if I go out of it and then go back even after not using my phone for several hours it's much faster. Will apps on the 5S open faster, yes, probably and I sure hope they do because increased speed is part of what I am paying for. Also, I think as a phone or for that matter a PC or Mac get older things do slow down some. Most people who use an iPhone 4S have a device which is at least a year and in many cases 2 years old and as far as I am concerned I would say iOS 7 runs just as well on my 4S as iOS 6 did, battery life is just as good and I have very few complaints. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
for those of you using standard typing I have turned typing feedback off in the settings. this way it only gives you the letter when you land on it and not when it is being typed. try it. your speed will improve immensely. -Original Message- From: Joseph FreeTech Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi all, I too am using an iPod Touch 5th gen, and I don't feel any of the temporary bugs in the IOS7 are impacting my use of my device. For those having difficulties with the alternative characters feature that pops up when one holds on a letter too long when using the keyboard, try this... 1. While typing in an edit field, if you hold on a letter too long, once the alternative characters prompt appears, it is likely that when you lift your finger the character with focus will be entered. Simply slide your finger outside of the keyboard area then slide over to delete near the bottom right hand corner of the screen and lift your finger. The previously entered character will be erased. This also gives you a bit of time to rest your finger as it will not be on the screen anymore. Once you have completely thought about what it is you would like to enter in the edit field, you can continue. 2. Have the word(s) you would like to enter already in mind, so when you go to type, you will do so without pauses which minimizes the entry of these alternative characters. For those who have been using the touch typing method of text entry for some time now, this really should not be a problem at all. 3. If you would like not having to worry about the alternative characters at all, simply switch the rotor to Typing mode then select Standard typing. This of course means you will have to double-tap each letter to enter it in the edit field. You can also use the split typing method of data entry. If you choose to use the split typing method, I suggest you use your middle finger to scan the keyboard for your letter of interest then use your index finger or your ring finger to execute the split-tap. Using your middle finger gives you lots of speed and ease for those situations where you have to type a letter P and you don't have any fingers to split-tap with since your ring finger won't fit on the right edge of the screen. Again, for me, employing just a little bit of thought and creativity has lessened some of the stress of change. Joseph - Original Message - From: Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. HI all. I'm not upgrading my phone to iOS 7 because, as primarily a braille user, I find the bugs I have been working with on my iPod 5 things that I do not wish to deal with on the device I use all the time. Certainly, things like iTunes radio are fantastic, but things like the onscreen keyboard getting in my way, a bunch of editing commands being broken, etc, are all reasons I'm staing away from iOS 7. I hope Apple will fix this stuff, but I know that as a braille user, my worth in terms of priority on the bug fixing chain is very close to the bottom. Scott On 9/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Mary and others, I didn't even know about the claim you can't edit first and last name. So, I just tried it and yes, it appears that once I double tap on First or Last Name, I can't flick up and down with rotor set to characters and review the name. However, I just tried the Delete key and I could delete the name without any difficulties and type it in again. I would also classify this as extremely low on the list of important bugs because once you have a contact added, how often do you have to actually go in and edit the first and last name. I am not saying it shouldn't be fixed, but it's certainly not a dealbreaker. As far as all of the other issues, well, I don't want to sound smug or condescending, but I have been running iOS 7 since Beta 5 in mid August and first of all I don't think there are any more bugs than there were when iOS 5 or iOS 6 was released. Second, a fair number of the things people report I for one either can't reproduce or if I can I can easily find a work-around. Lastly, if as Raul also pointed out, people on here read the messages and followed the advice many of us are giving, list traffic would I think be at least 30% or more lower. I don't know how often I have seen messages about where the Delete button on the Phone keypad has gone or how can I get rid of the extra characters popping up on the keyboard if I hold my finger on a letter too long. I could come up with numerous other examples and if somebody took the time to condense these thousands of messages since the iOS 7 update into a list of actual bugs along with any potential work
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So is it running slow on the 5s as well? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most apps is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority of apps. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search
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Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use the software. On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: So is it running slow on the 5s as well? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most apps is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority of apps. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Actually, this is the way I feel about iOS 7 as well. I have found too, that with holding turned on, low vision users have lots to be gained. Egun On, Lagunak! Basque for G'day, Mates Louie P. (Pete) Nalda Http://www.myspace.com/lpnalda Http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda Http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter @lpnalda On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:02 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo your email is ridiculous. first of all no one said you had to update your software. That was your choice. Second of all you don't own the software you own the phone and Apple is giving you the right to use their software. The software works quite well. Yes a few bugs exist but you should have been aware of them when you chose to use the software. On 10/3/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: So is it running slow on the 5s as well? --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: viphone viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:44 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, I haven’t seen apps take 5 seconds to open on an iPhone 4S using IOS 7. Is it slower than my iPhone 5? Yes. But, I think 5 seconds to open most apps is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, some apps might take a while, the more resource intensive ones, but, definitely not the majority of apps. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed
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Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Wow, nice sexist comments here. smile. So you are saying that because the person involved with the colors is a woman, then she used her feminine influence for the colors? Do you have data to back this up, or is it merely speculation like most other things. Then you go on to say that the teenagers who are young mails will be the ones who want to tinker? So, you are saying that females can't tinker, or don't have the drive and hormones necessary to want to tinker because they are female? Yes, I'm probably reading too much into what you say, but seriously man, either you have some serious sexist issues, or your sense of humor totally went over my head. Personally when i see a woman tinkering, developing, ETC whether it's Android, iPhone, or whatever I think it's sexy as can be. -- Raul A. Gallegos Want to hear a Potassium joke? K. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active or inactive. This is absolutely awful and inconsiderate for people with any kind of visual difficulties at all. Not to mention just the major change in user interface paradigm. I have absolutely no idea what Apple was thinking with this one and quite frankly, it makes me ashamed. This is just not cool and I really hope reason once again prevails here. apple, please do live up to your excellent standards and turn this one around right away so that everyone can enjoy this OS rather than need to suffer through it. At the very least, please consider bringing back at least some classic mode of visual interface (as you have done by keeping original ringtones) for those who can see, but whose vision might not be perfect. At the very least, consider bringing back an option for an homage to the classic look and feel. This would make worlds of difference for many people. This would go a long way to really showing that Apple inclusiveness. this is not just a matter of a new cool look. This is a matter of a whole lot of difficulty for many users whom may not even technically have vision problems but for whom this OS is just plain difficult to work with. These are just a few of my thoughts. Thanks so much for reading! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:15 AM, gregorysc...@gmail.com wrote: You
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
My daughter's boyfriend wants a 5C instead of a 5S, because he likes all the cool colours. My daughter, on the other hand, wants a 5S because she likes the 64-bit processor. I told him she should upgrade her boyfriend while she's at it. Actually I'd prefer she didn't have a boyfriend at all but that's just me being a dad. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 3/10/2013, at 1:52 AM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Wow, nice sexist comments here. smile. So you are saying that because the person involved with the colors is a woman, then she used her feminine influence for the colors? Do you have data to back this up, or is it merely speculation like most other things. Then you go on to say that the teenagers who are young mails will be the ones who want to tinker? So, you are saying that females can't tinker, or don't have the drive and hormones necessary to want to tinker because they are female? Yes, I'm probably reading too much into what you say, but seriously man, either you have some serious sexist issues, or your sense of humor totally went over my head. Personally when i see a woman tinkering, developing, ETC whether it's Android, iPhone, or whatever I think it's sexy as can be. -- Raul A. Gallegos Want to hear a Potassium joke? K. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active or inactive. This is absolutely awful and inconsiderate for people with any kind of visual difficulties at all. Not to mention just the major change in user interface paradigm. I have absolutely no idea what Apple was thinking with this one and quite frankly, it makes me ashamed. This is just not cool and I really hope reason once again prevails here. apple, please do live up to your excellent standards and turn this one around right away so that everyone can enjoy this OS rather than need to suffer through it. At the very least, please consider bringing back at least some classic mode of visual interface (as you have done by keeping original ringtones) for those who can see, but whose
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I checked out the 5 s and the 5 c at an Apple store. As far as the outside, the 5 s looks exactly like the 5. The one difference is that there is a ring around the home button for the finger print scanner. The 5 c is rather interesting. Since it's plastic, I was wondering how it would feel, and it actually is quite good. Definitely well built. One thing I don't like is that other countries get the unlocked version of the 5 s right away, but, just as in the past, the unlocked version of this phone will not be in the Apple stores for a while. Original message: Hi Sieghard, thanks for this! yes, the 5S sounds pretty sweet! Can't wait to check out the camera and M7. As far as the iOS 7 UI, no, I sure don't think Apple will do a 180, but it would be nice if they can offer some sort of customization which might at least harken back to a more contoured, textured iOS 6-esque UI or do something to liven up the flat look they have now. :) I've got to tell you it really does make some 3rd party apps look super ugly! Not kidding! lol! Apple did quite a bit of customization on the UI to get their own apps to look like they do. If you use the standard developer tools apps look pretty lousy in the latest OS. Previously if one used the standard UI elements when designing apps, 3rd party apps would look just as good as Apple's own. Not anymore! lol! They basically look like a squared-off child's line drawing. -And not in the good way! lol! Anyway, enough of that. As I said, I'm looking forward to the camera and M7 coprocessor in the 5S. Really want to see how this works to enhance camera and GPS based apps! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I think there are many millions of users out there who will probably disagree. I listened to the Today in iOS Podcast tonight and most of the calls that came in were very positive. Granted, many were about the 5S, but iOS 7 was also mentioned a lot. One older lady did mention the contrast thing. Anyhow, I guess we are stuck with it and while Apple may listen and improve the readability, I doubt they do a 180 and bring the old look back. My guess is that they will tweek this and improve upon it so let's hope they will fix it so that our iOS groups list owner doesn't have to be ashamed *smile*. The 5S by the way gets pretty awesome reviews and apparently totally kicks butt in all the benchmark tests. It is also not to be overlooked that Apple sold 9 million iPhones worldwide on the first weekend, some of them apparently are still in chanel which means not yet in the hands of the end user, and they do have a couple of large new carriers, but given the shortages in many places it does sound like a pretty impressive number. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark nondescript grey on white. So there! lol! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
For what its worth, my sighted wife hates the new scheme and when I first showed it to her after installing it on my iPhone, her first reaction was that a fifth grader designed it with all its goofy colors. She is totally jealous of the handwriting option though. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Wow, nice sexist comments here. smile. So you are saying that because the person involved with the colors is a woman, then she used her feminine influence for the colors? Do you have data to back this up, or is it merely speculation like most other things. Then you go on to say that the teenagers who are young mails will be the ones who want to tinker? So, you are saying that females can't tinker, or don't have the drive and hormones necessary to want to tinker because they are female? Yes, I'm probably reading too much into what you say, but seriously man, either you have some serious sexist issues, or your sense of humor totally went over my head. Personally when i see a woman tinkering, developing, ETC whether it's Android, iPhone, or whatever I think it's sexy as can be. -- Raul A. Gallegos Want to hear a Potassium joke? K. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active or inactive. This is absolutely awful and inconsiderate for people with any kind of visual difficulties at all. Not to mention just the major change in user interface paradigm. I have absolutely no idea what Apple was thinking with this one and quite frankly, it makes me ashamed. This is just not cool and I really hope reason once again prevails here. apple, please do live up to your excellent standards and turn this one around right away so that everyone can enjoy this OS rather than need to suffer through it. At the very least, please consider bringing back at least some classic mode of visual interface (as you have done by keeping original ringtones) for those
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Guys, Yeah, my sighted wife hates the new look too. Most of my family and many of my friends have IOS devices and pretty much all of them hate the look. The other day, my wife came in and saw me using the iPad that we share and she said Don't update it!. This must be one ugly OS. LOL. Thanks, Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. For what its worth, my sighted wife hates the new scheme and when I first showed it to her after installing it on my iPhone, her first reaction was that a fifth grader designed it with all its goofy colors. She is totally jealous of the handwriting option though. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Wow, nice sexist comments here. smile. So you are saying that because the person involved with the colors is a woman, then she used her feminine influence for the colors? Do you have data to back this up, or is it merely speculation like most other things. Then you go on to say that the teenagers who are young mails will be the ones who want to tinker? So, you are saying that females can't tinker, or don't have the drive and hormones necessary to want to tinker because they are female? Yes, I'm probably reading too much into what you say, but seriously man, either you have some serious sexist issues, or your sense of humor totally went over my head. Personally when i see a woman tinkering, developing, ETC whether it's Android, iPhone, or whatever I think it's sexy as can be. -- Raul A. Gallegos Want to hear a Potassium joke? K. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active or inactive. This is absolutely awful and inconsiderate for people with any kind of visual
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Interesting, same here. Both my wife and her best friend can't stand the look of IOS 7. Of course I don't care what it looks like so I'm pretty happy with it but I'm surprised to hear of so many sighted folks hating the new look. Best regards, Rick Alfaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Duck Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 3:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Guys, Yeah, my sighted wife hates the new look too. Most of my family and many of my friends have IOS devices and pretty much all of them hate the look. The other day, my wife came in and saw me using the iPad that we share and she said Don't update it!. This must be one ugly OS. LOL. Thanks, Scott Duck -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. For what its worth, my sighted wife hates the new scheme and when I first showed it to her after installing it on my iPhone, her first reaction was that a fifth grader designed it with all its goofy colors. She is totally jealous of the handwriting option though. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Wow, nice sexist comments here. smile. So you are saying that because the person involved with the colors is a woman, then she used her feminine influence for the colors? Do you have data to back this up, or is it merely speculation like most other things. Then you go on to say that the teenagers who are young mails will be the ones who want to tinker? So, you are saying that females can't tinker, or don't have the drive and hormones necessary to want to tinker because they are female? Yes, I'm probably reading too much into what you say, but seriously man, either you have some serious sexist issues, or your sense of humor totally went over my head. Personally when i see a woman tinkering, developing, ETC whether it's Android, iPhone, or whatever I think it's sexy as can be. -- Raul A. Gallegos Want to hear a Potassium joke? K. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Pablo, Seriously, an extra 2 or 3 seconds is a big deal? You must be a very busy person *smile* Anyhow, on my 4S some apps do take maybe up to 4 or 5 seconds to fully load, but often that is only the case when I first open them. The Audible app for example opens right away, let's say 2 seconds, then it takes another 2 or 3 seconds for all the buttons and such to be useable. In total that is 4 or 5 seconds, but I find that if I go out of it and then go back even after not using my phone for several hours it's much faster. Will apps on the 5S open faster, yes, probably and I sure hope they do because increased speed is part of what I am paying for. Also, I think as a phone or for that matter a PC or Mac get older things do slow down some. Most people who use an iPhone 4S have a device which is at least a year and in many cases 2 years old and as far as I am concerned I would say iOS 7 runs just as well on my 4S as iOS 6 did, battery life is just as good and I have very few complaints. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Also, 5 seconds is too much. We have to use the iPhone when we are on the streets, when we are going to the store, when we get a ride, and we need the gps, So 5 seconds is too much. Now, if in the newer versions of iPhone takes around 2 seconds, I would like to know, why? The new things of IOs 7 is enough to make slower the phones? maybe the graphic appearance? - Original Message - From: Troy Sullivan troysulliva...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:40 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. On my 4s, I notice apps take about 5 seconds to load, not right away, it could be because I have an older phone though. I'm not able to upgrade without a discount until 2015 though so I will deal. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Agreed. Apps took under five seconds to load on a 4, but under two on a 4s. So over half the time is cut between each phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 02/10/2013 13:47, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Apps are taking up to 50 seconds to start running? Hmm, that sounds like you need to restore and start over. Even if iOS runs slower on older phones, apps won't take 50 seconds to start up. i just can't buy that. -- Raul A. Gallegos Oh I'm not arguing, I'm simply explaining why I'm right. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 9/30/2013 10:25 AM, Pablo Morales wrote: Yes, IOs 7 is good running on new devices like iPhone 4s, 5 and 5s, but this new IOs make slower the iPhone 4, and is very annoying try to run what ever app when voice over works so slow, when what ever app takes until 50 seconds to start opening, and when we have to try and try several times to run an app. Is obvious that IOs 7 is heavy for the processor that the iPhone 4 has, so make an update of operated system will be good for the users who has iDevices with processors relative new, but not every body is in position of go to buy an iPhone 5s, or pay around 800$ every years when ever apple create an new device. We are customers, and customers of apple doesn't mean richness. Is a lot of people who had to make a very hard effort to buy an iPhone, so why apple is trying to make those devices slower, and push them to buy new devices with faster processors to run what ever IOs apple wants? We are the owners of our iDevices, we are not renting those devices, so if I paid for that device, why apple has rights on my property? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, I have a bit of usable vision and what I’ve been doing since my first iPhone is, cover the camera lens completely and then take a picture, and use the picture for the wall paper. This way I have a completely black background. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 1, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. With regard to wall paper, I had a friend tell me that sometimes, depending on the vision loss, decreasing brightness can help, which would make sense to me in certain circumstances. Also Select the last Apple selection for wallpaper. It is black and gray; she felt that it helped significantly. Again, your results will vary based on your type and degree of vision loss. I have no firsthand knowledge of whether this works, just passing along the info in case it can help someone somewhere. Scott On 10/1/13, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: when I bought my new 5C, I got the pink one. The girl helping me at the store told me that the background on the phone matched the actual phone's colour. So, I guess if you just want a dark background or a plain white one, just get the phones in those colours. I don't know about the 5S and the colour schemes for that one. If you didn't like the background, can't you just change the wallpaper? Cait On 2013-10-01, at 1:07 AM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark nondescript grey on white. So there! lol! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active or inactive. This is absolutely awful and inconsiderate for people with any kind of visual difficulties at all. Not to mention just the major change in user interface paradigm. I have absolutely no idea what Apple was thinking with this one and quite frankly, it makes me ashamed. This is just not cool and I really hope reason once again prevails here. apple, please
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hello, have you got the subscription details for the IOS podcast you mentioned please?, Billy -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: 01 October 2013 7:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, I think there are many millions of users out there who will probably disagree. I listened to the Today in iOS Podcast tonight and most of the calls that came in were very positive. Granted, many were about the 5S, but iOS 7 was also mentioned a lot. One older lady did mention the contrast thing. Anyhow, I guess we are stuck with it and while Apple may listen and improve the readability, I doubt they do a 180 and bring the old look back. My guess is that they will tweek this and improve upon it so let's hope they will fix it so that our iOS groups list owner doesn't have to be ashamed *smile*. The 5S by the way gets pretty awesome reviews and apparently totally kicks butt in all the benchmark tests. It is also not to be overlooked that Apple sold 9 million iPhones worldwide on the first weekend, some of them apparently are still in chanel which means not yet in the hands of the end user, and they do have a couple of large new carriers, but given the shortages in many places it does sound like a pretty impressive number. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark nondescript grey on white. So there! lol! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active or inactive. This is absolutely awful and inconsiderate for people with any kind of visual difficulties at all. Not to mention just the major change in user interface paradigm. I have absolutely no idea what Apple was thinking
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Sieghard, thanks for this! yes, the 5S sounds pretty sweet! Can't wait to check out the camera and M7. As far as the iOS 7 UI, no, I sure don't think Apple will do a 180, but it would be nice if they can offer some sort of customization which might at least harken back to a more contoured, textured iOS 6-esque UI or do something to liven up the flat look they have now. :) I've got to tell you it really does make some 3rd party apps look super ugly! Not kidding! lol! Apple did quite a bit of customization on the UI to get their own apps to look like they do. If you use the standard developer tools apps look pretty lousy in the latest OS. Previously if one used the standard UI elements when designing apps, 3rd party apps would look just as good as Apple's own. Not anymore! lol! They basically look like a squared-off child's line drawing. -And not in the good way! lol! Anyway, enough of that. As I said, I'm looking forward to the camera and M7 coprocessor in the 5S. Really want to see how this works to enhance camera and GPS based apps! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Cara, I think there are many millions of users out there who will probably disagree. I listened to the Today in iOS Podcast tonight and most of the calls that came in were very positive. Granted, many were about the 5S, but iOS 7 was also mentioned a lot. One older lady did mention the contrast thing. Anyhow, I guess we are stuck with it and while Apple may listen and improve the readability, I doubt they do a 180 and bring the old look back. My guess is that they will tweek this and improve upon it so let's hope they will fix it so that our iOS groups list owner doesn't have to be ashamed *smile*. The 5S by the way gets pretty awesome reviews and apparently totally kicks butt in all the benchmark tests. It is also not to be overlooked that Apple sold 9 million iPhones worldwide on the first weekend, some of them apparently are still in chanel which means not yet in the hands of the end user, and they do have a couple of large new carriers, but given the shortages in many places it does sound like a pretty impressive number. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark nondescript grey on white. So there! lol! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Cait, If I were going to get the 5C, I'd definitely get the pink one! :) IN fact, I wish the 5S came in colors! I actually like the feel of the 5C better than the 5S. However, since the 5S has the new camera and M7 coprocessor, I'm looking at that one. Yes, I'd assume that if someone didn't like the background they could just change it. Personally I think it's cool that the backgrounds match the colors of the phones. Unfortunately, this doesn't translate to 3rd party apps. I wish it did. My comments in response to Joseph's note were just to say that generalizations based on sex really aren't cool. I would get the same color of 5C you did, but certainly not every woman might. So that was all. Anyway, how do you like your 5C so far? Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 1, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: when I bought my new 5C, I got the pink one. The girl helping me at the store told me that the background on the phone matched the actual phone's colour. So, I guess if you just want a dark background or a plain white one, just get the phones in those colours. I don't know about the 5S and the colour schemes for that one. If you didn't like the background, can't you just change the wallpaper? Cait On 2013-10-01, at 1:07 AM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark nondescript grey on white. So there! lol! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active or inactive. This is absolutely awful and inconsiderate for people with any kind of visual difficulties at all. Not to mention just the major change in user interface paradigm. I have absolutely no idea what Apple was thinking with this one and quite frankly, it makes me ashamed. This is just not cool and I really hope reason once again prevails here. apple, please do live up to your excellent standards and turn this one around right away so that everyone can enjoy this OS rather than need to suffer through
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
How cute and girly. ()Smile). I'm sure lots of women feel that way too. Not all women of course, but lots of them or else Apple would not have chosen this color out of the possible millions. Joseph - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 7:20 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cait, If I were going to get the 5C, I'd definitely get the pink one! :) IN fact, I wish the 5S came in colors! I actually like the feel of the 5C better than the 5S. However, since the 5S has the new camera and M7 coprocessor, I'm looking at that one. Yes, I'd assume that if someone didn't like the background they could just change it. Personally I think it's cool that the backgrounds match the colors of the phones. Unfortunately, this doesn't translate to 3rd party apps. I wish it did. My comments in response to Joseph's note were just to say that generalizations based on sex really aren't cool. I would get the same color of 5C you did, but certainly not every woman might. So that was all. Anyway, how do you like your 5C so far? Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 1, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: when I bought my new 5C, I got the pink one. The girl helping me at the store told me that the background on the phone matched the actual phone's colour. So, I guess if you just want a dark background or a plain white one, just get the phones in those colours. I don't know about the 5S and the colour schemes for that one. If you didn't like the background, can't you just change the wallpaper? Cait On 2013-10-01, at 1:07 AM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark nondescript grey on white. So there! lol! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active or inactive. This is absolutely awful and inconsiderate for people with any kind of visual difficulties at all
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
just got the 5S tonight. It's performing pretty well so far. I do notice some glitching us on the screen, but I guess I'll just have to learn how to swipe differently or something. Dictation does seem a lot quicker. It also seems to get more things correctly. I do notice that if I have speakers plugged in, that seems to mess up the dictation. Is this normal on other iPhones, or is this unique to the 5S. Thanks, Mike On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cait, If I were going to get the 5C, I'd definitely get the pink one! :) IN fact, I wish the 5S came in colors! I actually like the feel of the 5C better than the 5S. However, since the 5S has the new camera and M7 coprocessor, I'm looking at that one. Yes, I'd assume that if someone didn't like the background they could just change it. Personally I think it's cool that the backgrounds match the colors of the phones. Unfortunately, this doesn't translate to 3rd party apps. I wish it did. My comments in response to Joseph's note were just to say that generalizations based on sex really aren't cool. I would get the same color of 5C you did, but certainly not every woman might. So that was all. Anyway, how do you like your 5C so far? Smiles, Cara :) On Oct 1, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: when I bought my new 5C, I got the pink one. The girl helping me at the store told me that the background on the phone matched the actual phone's colour. So, I guess if you just want a dark background or a plain white one, just get the phones in those colours. I don't know about the 5S and the colour schemes for that one. If you didn't like the background, can't you just change the wallpaper? Cait On 2013-10-01, at 1:07 AM, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Well Joseph, as a woman, let me say once again, that this OS is still ugly! lol! Just because we're female doesn't mean we automatically like bright gaudy colors or stark nondescript grey on white. So there! lol! Smiles, Cara :) On Sep 30, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they were targeting the female population with the new interface's colors. The person Apple put in charge of the appearance of the new interface is a woman. Just by the way they described the colors and overall appearance it right away seemed to me like they were going after new female iPhone users. The teenagers are probably Android users as young males are more likely to want to tinker with the OS and hardware. ...At some point the user of electronics matures and grows out of the curiosity and simply wants something that works--this is where Apple steps in. Joseph - Original Message - From: Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Cara, Funny you should say that. I was told The very same thing a couple of days ago. My friend told me he is almost ashamed to be seen with his phone. He says it looks like a toy that was designed for a kid. We know that Apple was going for a look that would please the younger generation but it seems like they don't even like it. I was told that the contrast is horrible and the font is just as bad. I am total so I don't really care but I have to say that this is not what I was expecting from Apple. Ron Danvers Falling down is part of LIFE... Getting back up is LIVING... From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Unfortunately, I must agree with the assertion that 7 is just plain ugly. A number of sighted friends have described the 'new' look, each in their own way, (as well as their difficulties with using it) and it just seems to me that for whatever reason, Apple just essentially abandoned all the upscale chic look and feel of iOS for what I can only describe as a thrown together gaudy amateurish look. For as much polish as the parallax effect has, the rest of the OS is so overly scaled down as to be just plain ugly. Just to illustrate one basic example, now what are being read by VO as buttons, in some cases, are simply a very light grey word on a white background. There are no borders making this look like a button, no indication that this item should be tapped to be activated and no really definite way to tell if the button is active or not. The font is so thin as to make it difficult to read and as I said, pretty much impossible to distinguish between being active
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Ricardo, There are already a lot more than 10% of iOS devices running iOS 7 and by a lot more I mean a lot more. There is always a difference between the percentage of devices running iOS 7 which can run iOS 7 and the total number of iOS devices which include iPhone 3GS and iPad 2 or older generations of iPods. As far as iPods go, that number is neglicable since a lot of people buy iPods, but not nearly as many as buy iPhones or iPads. I think the statistics will show that there will not be a lot of iPad 3GS and iPad first generations out there any more compared to the total number of iOS devices. I have a friend who is very proud that he had his 3GS for 4 years, but he said right now his battery lasts about 2 hours after he unplugs it and he is going to upgrade to a 5S shortly. I think many 3GS users will feel that way so maybe right now there are still quite a few iOS devices out there which can't upgrade, but in even 4 or 6 months that number will be a lot less and even now well over half of all allegeable iOS devices are already running iOS 7 and that is less than 2 weeks after the release. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sure. But if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why would a developer bother with 10% of his potential user base? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don't think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that's what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don't thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Yup. I No. I was referring to around only 10% of all IOS devices running IOS 6 after 3 months. Like I mentioned in a earlier post in this thread, the adoption rate of IOS 7 is already over 50% after only 1 week. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Ricardo, There are already a lot more than 10% of iOS devices running iOS 7 and by a lot more I mean a lot more. There is always a difference between the percentage of devices running iOS 7 which can run iOS 7 and the total number of iOS devices which include iPhone 3GS and iPad 2 or older generations of iPods. As far as iPods go, that number is neglicable since a lot of people buy iPods, but not nearly as many as buy iPhones or iPads. I think the statistics will show that there will not be a lot of iPad 3GS and iPad first generations out there any more compared to the total number of iOS devices. I have a friend who is very proud that he had his 3GS for 4 years, but he said right now his battery lasts about 2 hours after he unplugs it and he is going to upgrade to a 5S shortly. I think many 3GS users will feel that way so maybe right now there are still quite a few iOS devices out there which can't upgrade, but in even 4 or 6 months that number will be a lot less and even now well over half of all allegeable iOS devices are already running iOS 7 and that is less than 2 weeks after the release. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sure. But if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why would a developer bother with 10% of his potential user base? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don't think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that's what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don't thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
A few of my apps only work with iOS six or higher now. Many of my apps work with iOS five and higher. The fact is, most developers will not worry about older system users. Not when the vast majority are using iOS seven. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29 Sep 2013, at 18:07, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don’t think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don’t thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Chris and all. With respect, Chris, while your points may well be valid for very old computer operating systems, I don't see how they can be valid for iOS. If you're thinking about security against adversaries outside Apple, then you already have several measures of protection including the app store review process, the sandboxing built in to the operating system itself, and the inability for any app to obtain root access which, as those who are trying to jailbreak will tell you, is not an easy thing to circumvent. All these apply just as much to six as they do to seven. If your security risk comes from a bad actor inside Apple, or from Apple itself, which I would say is the main risk with Apple products, then I don't think you can protect yourself while still using iOS. After all, the attack may be in the operating system code itself and can be just as easily secretly placed in six as in seven. As for support, you will probably want to restore the device before taking it to Apple anyhow, and if the device cannot be restored, the device has serious hardware issues and the os you're running won't matter to the resolution. Finally, in the Apple system backward compatibility is usually excellent. As it stands now, you're far more likely to get programs that don't support seven properly than those don't support lower operating system versions. Aman On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
it is very curious. In IOs 6, and IOs 5, during a phone call, voice over was saying the duration call every 21 seconds. With IOs 7, I don't have this problem, even though, I see that some users of IOs 7 have kind of problems like this. Why IOs 7 or IOs x has different behave in each device? , - Original Message - From: Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 1:29 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi Susan, I can't answer your question about iOS 7, because I have not yet upgraded. However, there is a workaround for the problem of voice over speaking when you are on a call. Just make voice over focus on something specific on the screen, such as the end button. Then it no longer speaks during the call. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Ricardo. You ask: but if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why should a developer bother with only ten percent of the user base? I would suggest, if I may, that no bothering would be necessary. The code is already written and, when new code is written for upgrades, the only code which will certainly need modification or even branching will be that which uses specifically those features introduced in seven itself. I would think that lack of app support will not be a problem for a long time, at least. Aman On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:17 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sure. Bqq why would a developer bother with 10% of his potential user base? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don’t think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don’t thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
IOS 7.0.2 was a security fix for IOS 7. It kept people from by passing your pass code screen. There's still a known security bug in IOS 6.1.4, where in a few rare instances someone could also get past your log in screen to your data without logging in. Apparently this security flaw isn't going to be resolved, and I doubt any further security issues with IOS 6 will be addressed by Apple. If an App Developer comes out with an update to their app, I find it very unlikely that they'll spend a lot of time regression testing their changes to work on prior versions of IOS. The app may continue to work, but it may not, and I doubt the developer will do much to fix their app to run on older versions of IOS. On 09/29/2013 07:41 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Chris and all. With respect, Chris, while your points may well be valid for very old computer operating systems, I don't see how they can be valid for iOS. If you're thinking about security against adversaries outside Apple, then you already have several measures of protection including the app store review process, the sandboxing built in to the operating system itself, and the inability for any app to obtain root access which, as those who are trying to jailbreak will tell you, is not an easy thing to circumvent. All these apply just as much to six as they do to seven. If your security risk comes from a bad actor inside Apple, or from Apple itself, which I would say is the main risk with Apple products, then I don't think you can protect yourself while still using iOS. After all, the attack may be in the operating system code itself and can be just as easily secretly placed in six as in seven. As for support, you will probably want to restore the device before taking it to Apple anyhow, and if the device cannot be restored, the device has serious hardware issues and the os you're running won't matter to the resolution. Finally, in the Apple system backward compatibility is usually excellent. As it stands now, you're far more likely to get programs that don't support seven properly than those don't support lower operating system versions. Aman On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Ricardo, In a lot of countries, the law forces companies to support a product for a given period of time. Often, they just can't pull out and say that you are stuck with the product you buy. This happens in cases of bankruptcy but, for as long as they are in business, they have to support their products. Many times, the support far exceeds the periods predicted by law such as the support for Windows XP. I'm sure nobody could have forced Microsoft to support XP for more than a decade but it worked for them so they did it. I suspect Apple will support IOS 6 for quite a while because some of their products are not upgradable to IOS 7. We have to admit that a lot of us on this list seem to keep up with the shiny new stuff but we don't necessarily reflect what happens in the world market. Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:17 AM To: viphone Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sure. But if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why would a developer bother with 10% of his potential user base? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don't think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that's what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don't thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Aman, this is not altogether true. Apple deprecates and pulls functionality on a regular basis and this may happen slowly or quickly. The discretion is Apple's. So yes, it can take work on the part of a developer, to support old versions of iOS. Just wanted to clarify. Thanks, Cara :) On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ricardo. You ask: but if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why should a developer bother with only ten percent of the user base? I would suggest, if I may, that no bothering would be necessary. The code is already written and, when new code is written for upgrades, the only code which will certainly need modification or even branching will be that which uses specifically those features introduced in seven itself. I would think that lack of app support will not be a problem for a long time, at least. Aman On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:17 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sure. Bqq why would a developer bother with 10% of his potential user base? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don’t think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don’t thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
If just 10% of devices are running iOS 6 in three months, you're probably right. The developer would not care. But then, would the existing app be good enough for the people using it? And besides, we don't know that just 10% of devices will be running iOS 6 in three months. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:17 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sure. But if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why would a developer bother with 10% of his potential user base? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don’t think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don’t thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well Ricardo, I suppose we will have to wait and see what happens in a month. There are iPod fourth-generation, older iPhones and older iPads that can't update to iOS 6. And there are the holdouts on iPhone 4 who don't want the slower performance. Is that only 10% of the iOS pool? I don't know. Time will tell. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don’t think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don’t thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
You wrote: In short I feel that there is absolutely no reason why somebody who has an iPhone 4, 4S or 5 shouldn't upgrade. My reply: I find IOS7 to be ugly and hard to read. The improved functionality does not add enough to overcome my dislike of the new design. I know others prefer IOS7, but I'll hold out as long as I can or until Apple fixes some of the biggest visual problems. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
HI. YOu could simply mute voice over with a 3 finger double tap when in a call and repeat when you want speech back on. I hope this helps regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 29/09/2013, at 3:09 AM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
It would appear this has been fixed in iOS 7 but there's no option for this. I did hear some chatter during a FaceTime Audio call yesterday, so this appears to only apply to regular cellular calls. christopher...@gmail.com On 28/09/2013 18:09, Susan wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
That's what I ended up doing yesterday. christopher...@gmail.com On 28/09/2013 19:11, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: HI. YOu could simply mute voice over with a 3 finger double tap when in a call and repeat when you want speech back on. I hope this helps regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 29/09/2013, at 3:09 AM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Sieghard Thanks so much for such a helpful reply. I'll post my results when I update. I'm all excited now. Smiling ... Susan On 9/28/13, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I ended up doing yesterday. christopher...@gmail.com On 28/09/2013 19:11, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: HI. YOu could simply mute voice over with a 3 finger double tap when in a call and repeat when you want speech back on. I hope this helps regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 29/09/2013, at 3:09 AM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, hopefully you don't use JAWS. I think that the best version of JAWS was 3.7u, and it went downhill after that. Can't say much better for Window Eyes. Quite often, added features are a higher priority than stability. That's sad, but true. Andy -Original Message- From: Aman Singer Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, there are people who insist that they will continue to use Windows XP after next April in spite of the risks of infection, hacking, etc. Andy -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:12 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I had intended to upgrade over my upcoming vacation week, if not this weekend. But when I unlocked my screen and discovered that IOS 7 had already been downloaded, I decided to go ahead. I wanted to do it via ITunes, so I hooked up my phone to the computer, and upgraded that way. I had a bit of a scare when it got hung up some way or other during the beginning of the setup, but restarting my phone fixed that. So far, I just can't figure out what the big deal is about IOS 7 being so bad. Sure, there are things I will have to learn, but I have Mr. Mosen's book, and a bunch of messages I have yet to read from this list, So far, I think I will like it better. Referring to an earlier message from today, if somebody offered me that $50 to downgrade, I would, then would upgrade again when I had their $50 safely in my pocket. After all, as of this writing, I still have the encrypted backup I made just before my upgrade. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. That's what I ended up doing yesterday. christopher...@gmail.com On 28/09/2013 19:11, Maria and Joe Chapman wrote: HI. YOu could simply mute voice over with a 3 finger double tap when in a call and repeat when you want speech back on. I hope this helps regards Maria and crew from australia email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com check out www.95-the-mix.com where we play lots of great music On 29/09/2013, at 3:09 AM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I was a happy JAWS user right up until I left windows behind for the most part and went to Windows. I think it was JAWS 9 or JAWS 10 that was mostly a bug fixing and stability improving release. IMHO, this version was the best version of JAWS I ran, with it's support for modern versions of MS Office, 64-bit Windows and so on. New features are obviously a priority, just as they are for IOS and Apple. How many times did I see IOS 6 and the iPhone 5 bashed for not having enough features in it and not being innovative enough. You have to have enough new features in an upgrade for people to want to pay for the upgrade. FS is trying to make a profit, and that may not be a model many people like, but it's the model FS is stuck with. I know bashing other screen readers and platforms is pretty popular, but IMHO, it's off topic for this list. On 09/28/2013 03:42 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: Well, hopefully you don't use JAWS. I think that the best version of JAWS was 3.7u, and it went downhill after that. Can't say much better for Window Eyes. Quite often, added features are a higher priority than stability. That's sad, but true. Andy -Original Message- From: Aman Singer Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Susan, I can't answer your question about iOS 7, because I have not yet upgraded. However, there is a workaround for the problem of voice over speaking when you are on a call. Just make voice over focus on something specific on the screen, such as the end button. Then it no longer speaks during the call. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don’t think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don’t thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don’t think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don’t thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Sure. But if only 10% of all devices are running IOS 6 in say 3 months, why would a developer bother with 10% of his potential user base? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 29, 2013, at 1:07 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: most of the devs might have to maintain some backward compatibility as there are those of us who have older devices that won't support iOS 7. Sure, I have an iPhone 5, but I also have a 3GS here as well. I use the 5 as a portable hotspot and the 3 has all my music and navigational apps on it. seems ridiculous, but the 3GS has far more memory available to it. So, there you go. -eric On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Mary, I think it depends on what we mean by support. I don’t think there will be any more updates for IOS 6 if that’s what is meant here. In a week, the adoption rate for IOS 7 has already gone over 50% In a month or 2, this rate will more than likely be around 90%. At that point, I don’t thinkdevelopers will really care about making sure their apps work with IOS 6 or not. So in that way, I can be IOS 6 not being supported in the not too distant future.. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I don't believe it is true that Apple no longer supports iOS six. There are too many devices out there that still use it. For example, the iPod touch fourth-generation. I still have an old iPad that I can't upgrade past iOS 5 thanks to Apple. There are certainly apps I can't use anymore, but many many apps still work fine on the iPad. So until I see something from Apple that says they will no longer support iOS 6 at all, I'm not going to believe it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is the only reason to or the only criteria to use to determine to upgrade or not. Apple isn't supporting IOS 6 any more, so you won't be getting updates or security fixes for IOS 6. I haven't seen a statement on this, but I doubt you'll continue to get Apple support if you keep running IOS 6. App developers will also stop supporting IOS 6. On 09/28/2013 01:02 AM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http
Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Yes. The bug with VO talking during phone calls has been fixed in IOS 7. hth Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Susan, I can't answer your question about iOS 7, because I have not yet upgraded. However, there is a workaround for the problem of voice over speaking when you are on a call. Just make voice over focus on something specific on the screen, such as the end button. Then it no longer speaks during the call. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Susan sweeks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm using an iPhone 4 with 16Gb, and still have the problem with continuous chatter with VO talking during my phone calls ... telling me info I don't want such as counting mins, telling me who my call is from when I'm trying to listen to a message that has been left, etc. Can someone please tell me if this has been corrected with the new update? If so, I'll gladly update and take any of the bugs. I do so despise VO talking over info I need to hear. I understand some people want such info, so I'm hoping there's an option of choice this time. Thanks so much for your help. I'm still learning, and I always learn from each of you. ~Susan On 9/28/13, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Sieghard and all. I don't think that iOS 7 is particularly bad, but that isn't, IMHO, the standard I would judge it on. The only reason to upgrade, at least for me, is that the upgrade will be better than what came before. If it's better, and I mean better on the whole, taking everything into account, then it's worth the upgrade no matter what bugs are in the system. The bugs just reduce the quality, if other things raise it, the update is fine. As it stands, I think the question is whether iOS 7 is better for any particular user than iOS 6.x. That's something each user will have to determine for himself, and it's something which is specific to him. That is, iOS 7 is worth the upgrade to me because things work better with my Bluetooth to hearing aid bridge. For someone who doesn't use such a bridge but who's like me in everything else, it may not be worth it. For someone who hates the old app switcher, it may be great, and for someone who loves the way mail is displayed in the old mail program it may be horrible... You get the idea. Aman --Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone of 16Gb, a little bit slow. Also, some times I try to open apps, and they just doesn't open, and I guess is it because the Ios 7 is too heavy for the processor of my old iPhone 4. But in my iPhone 5, it works much better, and the slow thing that I feel in my iPhone 4, is imperceptible. Also, the last update, fixed the issue that I had with the time, or it is that I am feeling so far. Also I have to say that Ios 7 brought many new things, things that will be so helpful for us using voice over, and every body who uses Ios 7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options
