Voice Dream update 4.34.5

2024-05-21 Thread Richard Turner
Update info from today, May 21, 2024:
- Restore previous VoiceOver navigation - Fix bug with downloading Bookshare 
files on iOS 16 - Fix issues with playing mp3 files



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RE: Sonos App Update

2024-05-21 Thread Richard Turner
I updated my iPad where I had put the last update and while this one is better, 
it is still way too clunky for my liking.

I hope the update promised in 6 weeks gets us back to some level of normalcy.

I hope they add an option to not have so damn much on one screen.

 

 

 

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Funny timing, I was just composing my message about the app update. Depending 
on how adventurous you are I would say you can update now, but there is 
definitely a bit of a learning curve and some experimentation required. It is 
definitely a lot better, though, maybe some others who have updated will post 
their feedback and what they have discovered works and doesn't work.

 

 

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Hi,

I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the 
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it’s supposed to have improved 
VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I’m still running 
the older version prior to the redesign.  

Tom

 

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RE: Sonos App Update

2024-05-21 Thread lange85
Hi Sieghard,

Funny timing indeed! I ran the update just after I saw your message.  After 
looking at a couple of dialogs which I closed, the new app wanted me to do a 
software update for my Sonos speakers, which are the old Sonos 1.  The firmware 
update completed successfully and I’m happy to say that the speakers are back 
in action, and, exploring the screen with VoiceOver seems to work okay. I’ve 
got a lot of exploring to do, but I’ll take my time with that. I’ve got a lot 
of other stuff that I need to do today. I look forward to hearing about how you 
and others out there are faring with the recent update. Thanks.

 

Tom

 

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Funny timing, I was just composing my message about the app update. Depending 
on how adventurous you are I would say you can update now, but there is 
definitely a bit of a learning curve and some experimentation required. It is 
definitely a lot better, though, maybe some others who have updated will post 
their feedback and what they have discovered works and doesn't work.

 

 

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Hi,

I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the 
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it’s supposed to have improved 
VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I’m still running 
the older version prior to the redesign.  

Tom

 

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RE: Sonos App Update

2024-05-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Funny timing, I was just composing my message about the app update. Depending 
on how adventurous you are I would say you can update now, but there is 
definitely a bit of a learning curve and some experimentation required. It is 
definitely a lot better, though, maybe some others who have updated will post 
their feedback and what they have discovered works and doesn't work.


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Hi,
I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the 
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it’s supposed to have improved 
VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I’m still running 
the older version prior to the redesign.
Tom

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As promised, today's Sonos update brings significant Voiceover improvements

2024-05-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi, as Sonos promised, an update of the new Sonos app which was released two 
weeks ago came out today. I decided to update and I am happy to say that while 
not perfect, the app is now definitely very usable with Voiceover. Exploring by 
touch again lets you find stuff and swiping is much more efficient. There are 
still places where a certain item has two or three different labels/icons you 
can click on with the same result, but while I haven't spend more than 10 or 15 
minutes with the app, I can now say it's not a complete disaster any more. 
There was, by the way, also an update of the firmware today which I assume has 
to do with the announcement of the new headset. One thing I have not yet 
figured out and it may simply not yet be possible is how to rearrange one's 
home screen. According to the app tour you can arrange what you want to see on 
yoru home screen and in which order, e.g. Recently Added, Albums, Artists etc. 
Sounds like this is a drag and drop sort of thing and I may have to ask one of 
my sighted employees to figure it out and then see if it can be done, but after 
going into "Edit", doing a double tap and hold does not seem to work. There is 
a remove button on the left of all the items which are showing, but not the 
typical reorder button one finds in other iOS apps.
Let's hope Sonos will keep their promise and continue with more Voiceover 
improvements to bring accessibility up to par with the old app by the end of 
June. If this wasn't such a busy time for me work wise I'd probably ask to be 
back in the beta program, but hopefully there are a few other blind users who 
do have time and can do this.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Sonos App Update

2024-05-21 Thread lange85
Hi,

I checked out the app store this morning and found version 80.01.10 of the
Sonos app is available, and, among other things it's supposed to have
improved VoiceOver support. Has anybody tried it yet? Just curious. I'm
still running the older version prior to the redesign.  

Tom

 

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Re: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

2024-05-14 Thread 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone
I need to start using envision AI more. I use superSense often but lately end 
up going to either Seeing AI or AIRA out of frustration. I purchased SuperSense 
at a Convention several years ago after a live presentation full of promises.  
I”m wondering when a host of new promised features will appear with a new 
subscription model. Such as we have been recently seeing.
Merv


> On May 14, 2024, at 4:08 AM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> I also enjoy envision AI. Esther.
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>> On May 13, 2024, at 4:39 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, 
>> does as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. 
>> This BS about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long 
>> enough. And, they never reply to emails sent to them. 
>> Here is what the update says:
>> Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) 
>> Minor UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More 
>> exciting news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any 
>> feedback to provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know 
>> what you think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to 
>> superse...@mediate.tech. Best, Supersense Team
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
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Re: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

2024-05-14 Thread Esther Levegnale
I also enjoy envision AI. Esther.Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On May 13, 2024, at 4:39 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, they never reply to emails sent to them. Here is what the update says:Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Best, Supersense TeamRichard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 



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RE: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

2024-05-13 Thread Dennis Long
It’s a shame.  I don’t know whatever happened to Shane.  He seemed to care 
about the product.  There is no community engagement now.  It’s a shame.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 4:39 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited
 
Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does 
as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS 
about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, 
they never reply to emails sent to them. 
Here is what the update says:
Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor 
UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting 
news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to 
provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think 
about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech 
<mailto:superse...@mediate.tech> . Best, Supersense Team
 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

2024-05-13 Thread Richard Turner
Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does 
as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS 
about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, 
they never reply to emails sent to them. 
Here is what the update says:
Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor 
UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting 
news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to 
provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think 
about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Best, 
Supersense Team


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RE: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-09 Thread Dennis Long
It never should've been released.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

It's clunky at best, if you haven't updated yet and you use your Sonos app a 
lot I would highly recommend that you wait to see what happens in 2 weeks. I 
told my Sonos contact that the ball is now in their court and they better make 
sure the promises they made about major accessibility improvements on May 21 
and more by end of June will happen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-09 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
It's clunky at best, if you haven't updated yet and you use your Sonos app a 
lot I would highly recommend that you wait to see what happens in 2 weeks. I 
told my Sonos contact that the ball is now in their court and they better make 
sure the promises they made about major accessibility improvements on May 21 
and more by end of June will happen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
>> 
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RE: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-09 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Thanks Larry, I had already noticed the fact that if I use the gesture to go to 
the very bottom and swip eback I see my speakers/rooms, but with all these 
strange buttons and images I hadn't figured out yet which one to tap. Let's 
hope that the May 21 update we are being told includes a lot of accessibility 
improvements will address a lot of this especially the fact that right now you 
have to swipe everywhere and can't find anything buy simply touching the 
screen. I also found that if you do what yiou describe and are not careful, you 
easily end up a the top again so if you have a number of speakers and lose your 
place you then have to start all over again with the gesture to go to the 
bottom and swipe 10 or 15 times to get one of your speakers near the top of the 
list etc.
I am definitely not updating my Sonos app on the iPhone until this gets a lot 
better, but you really have to be careful bvecause not just do you have to pay 
attention that you don't accidently or by habit tap on "Update All", but when I 
opened the old Sonos app last night I was also presented with a screen touting 
the new update and I had to dismiss it before I could use the app and the 
"Update" bvutton was right next to the "Dismiss" button so one can easily tap 
the wrong thing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:19 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I have found a couple of ways to do this. I guess the easiest way 
if you can call it that is to: When you open the Sonos app, do a 4 finger 
single tap on the bottom of the screen. Once you are at the bottom of the 
screen, start swiping back. Now because you are swiping back, You are going to 
see things related to the room before you see the name of the room itself. For 
example, when I start swiping back, I see something like  volume small. I then 
see what is playing Tim Mcgraw, live like you were dying. Swipe again and I see 
the play button. I keep swiping until I see the room name. If I know what room 
I’m in based on the song, I only swipe back until I hear speakers. If you 
double tap speakers, the app will then bring up a list of your rooms. You then 
swipe to the room you want to add. After the room name, It will say something 
like circlecheck. Double tap that and continue this until all rooms you want is 
selected. At the bottom there is an apply button. 
As I stated in my previous email, there is a lot of swiping required for this 
new app. This needs to be addressed by the Sonos team sooner rather than later. 
There are other accessibility issues that has to be fixed also. I guess my hope 
is that those who can use this app will do so. That way, issues can be found 
and reported to Sonos. If Sonos cares about all of their customers, including 
The blind community, They will hear us and fix these issues. I have over $7,000 
invested in Sonos products and growing. 

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, but how do you select a particular room or speaker to play 
> music on? I was able to access the system settings no problem, but I have had 
> little success selecting a particular room and then select for example my 
> Apple Music subscription to find a particular artist, album or playlist. I 
> actually don't even use Sonos all that much, my sighted wife does more, but 
> until I can reliably select where I want to play whatever music I want to 
> play, I won't update my iPhone.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:34 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
> there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
> everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
> accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
> originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
> iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
> touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is 
> off no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that 
> it is changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker 
> that is playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope 
> Sonos address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. 
> But for me, The app is useable.
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
>> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update 
>> 

Re: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-09 Thread Larry Smith
Hi Sieghard. I have found a couple of ways to do this. I guess the easiest way 
if you can call it that is to: When you open the Sonos app, do a 4 finger 
single tap on the bottom of the screen. Once you are at the bottom of the 
screen, start swiping back. Now because you are swiping back, You are going to 
see things related to the room before you see the name of the room itself. For 
example, when I start swiping back, I see something like  volume small. I then 
see what is playing Tim Mcgraw, live like you were dying. Swipe again and I see 
the play button. I keep swiping until I see the room name. If I know what room 
I’m in based on the song, I only swipe back until I hear speakers. If you 
double tap speakers, the app will then bring up a list of your rooms. You then 
swipe to the room you want to add. After the room name, It will say something 
like circlecheck. Double tap that and continue this until all rooms you want is 
selected. At the bottom there is an apply button. 
As I stated in my previous email, there is a lot of swiping required for this 
new app. This needs to be addressed by the Sonos team sooner rather than later. 
There are other accessibility issues that has to be fixed also. I guess my hope 
is that those who can use this app will do so. That way, issues can be found 
and reported to Sonos. If Sonos cares about all of their customers, including 
The blind community, They will hear us and fix these issues. I have over $7,000 
invested in Sonos products and growing. 

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, but how do you select a particular room or speaker to play 
> music on? I was able to access the system settings no problem, but I have had 
> little success selecting a particular room and then select for example my 
> Apple Music subscription to find a particular artist, album or playlist. I 
> actually don't even use Sonos all that much, my sighted wife does more, but 
> until I can reliably select where I want to play whatever music I want to 
> play, I won't update my iPhone.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:34 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
> there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
> everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
> accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
> originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
> iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
> touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is 
> off no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that 
> it is changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker 
> that is playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope 
> Sonos address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. 
> But for me, The app is useable.
> 
>> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
>> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update 
>> comes with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our 
>> iPad last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app 
>> and I was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be 
>> all about a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of 
>> the system.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Larry Smith
>

RE: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-09 Thread chrisjudge1967
Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
>> 
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RE: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-08 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Just curious, but how do you select a particular room or speaker to play music 
on? I was able to access the system settings no problem, but I have had little 
success selecting a particular room and then select for example my Apple Music 
subscription to find a particular artist, album or playlist. I actually don't 
even use Sonos all that much, my sighted wife does more, but until I can 
reliably select where I want to play whatever music I want to play, I won't 
update my iPhone.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:34 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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Re: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-08 Thread Larry Smith
Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-08 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about a 
new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  

> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than 
> a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the 
> Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

2024-05-08 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
And also, I did manage to find System Update in the new app on the iPad and 
when I double tapped "Check for updates" I was told that my system did not need 
to be updated which indicates that this is entirely an app/user interface 
update and does not involve any firmware update of the Sonos speakers. 
Therefore, for the time at least even if you do turn on automatic updates in 
your old Sonos app and the speakers get an update, this should not affect the 
app or force you to update to the new app. Just make sure you don't have 
automatic app updates turned on or accidently tap on "update all" and you 
should be fine using the fully accessible Sonos app until hopefully Sonos comes 
to their senses. Of course it will definitely not hurt to continue bugging them 
about this terrible decision to release such a big UI update without making 
sure it is fully accessible. It would be great if somebody could contact 
reputable organisations like Engadget, What HiFi, 9to5Mac and so on to see if 
they wouldn't jump in by publishing articles about this.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!



The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

2024-05-08 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hello Richard,

I updated the Sonos app on our iPad and while it's far from good, I did not 
have any issues swiping to and activating buttons like Account Info, System 
Info. It was late last night so I only spend maybe 5 minutes with it and I 
certainly wouldn't want it on my iPhone 13 Pro which I use as my primary 
device, but like I said, some of these things worked fine for me without screen 
recognition. I have yet to ask a sighted person to tell me what they see and 
how it all interacts with Voiceover. Let's hope Sonos will implement an initial 
round of Voiceover improvements in 2 weeks as they mentioned in some post I 
read. If they say this and don't do it then this would truly be not a good sign.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!



The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

2024-05-07 Thread Dennis Long
Sonos is just like every other company these days.  Accessibility we can get to 
later.  There are few companies who put accessibility at the core of what they 
do.  Apple is one of the few that does.  Sad more companies don’t adopt Apple’s 
values.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do not update Sonos!
 
Thanks for this. I disabled automatic updates in the app store and set my 
system to not update automatically. This is probably the most disappointing 
accessibility issue I’ve ever faced. I have thousands of dollars invested in 
Sonos. I sure hope they take steps to make it right.
 
Chris Judge
 

 
 

 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Do not update Sonos!
 
 
 
The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.
 
  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

2024-05-07 Thread chrisjudge1967
Thanks for this. I disabled automatic updates in the app store and set my 
system to not update automatically. This is probably the most disappointing 
accessibility issue I’ve ever faced. I have thousands of dollars invested in 
Sonos. I sure hope they take steps to make it right.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Do not update Sonos!

 

 

 

The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!

It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.

Without Screen Recognition it is useless.

I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.

And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.

And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.

 

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.

 

Richard, USA

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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

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Re: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-07 Thread Larry Smith
Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  

> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
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> you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
> Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Sonos latest update.
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> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the 
> Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Sonos latest update.

2024-05-07 Thread Richard Turner
I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.



Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Sonos latest update.

Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the firmware? 
I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update the app only. 
I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if things would be 
different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the Sonos app on my 
iPhone 15 Max.

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Sonos latest update.

2024-05-07 Thread Larry Smith
Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the firmware? 
I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update the app only. 
I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if things would be 
different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update the Sonos app on my 
iPhone 15 Max.

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Do not update Sonos!

2024-05-07 Thread Richard Turner
 

 

The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!

It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good
as before.

Without Screen Recognition it is useless.

I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.

And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your
System button does nothing.

And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System
Button, but again, it doesn't activate.

 

  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you
want a totally frustrating experience, don't update.  I updated on my iPad
Mini 6 which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won't be touching the update on my
phone.

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less
than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight
fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life."
-- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

2024-05-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Chris, it would be if it's true. I assumed it was, but usually Jonathan has 
good information and if he heard that the accessibility of the new app is 
terrible then I am sure he has good reasons to say this. If I hear back from my 
Sonos contact I will certainly provide that information. In any case, we'll 
find out in a day and a half provided you choose to upgrade. I have two 
systems, one at home and one at my retail store and I may just try it first 
there with an iPad we have before updating the app on my phone.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 5:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

That’s great to hear.

Chris Judge

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

A Sonos employee confirmed on the Sonos Community forum that the new update 
will continue to be fully Voiceover accessible.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app


I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the update.

Dave


On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Thanks Sieghard,
This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

Help is just around th

RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

2024-05-04 Thread chrisjudge1967
That’s great to hear.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

A Sonos employee confirmed on the Sonos Community forum that the new update 
will continue to be fully Voiceover accessible.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
David Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ; Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> >
Subject: Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the update.

Dave

 

On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Thanks Sieghard,

This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

 

Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

 

Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to 

RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

2024-04-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
A Sonos employee confirmed on the Sonos Community forum that the new update 
will continue to be fully Voiceover accessible.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Richard Turner 
Subject: Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app


I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the update.

Dave


On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Thanks Sieghard,
This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.



Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

Help is just around the top-right corner
Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

Complete control
Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

Streaming streamlined
The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

Services on Sonos
Unlock all the power of Sonos
Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

Access from your computer or tablet
The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

​ Sonos Radio
Music comes standard
Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.


Take care,
Sieghard

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Re: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

2024-04-26 Thread David Grossoehme
I'm with you here richard and Steve on accessibility of Sonos with the 
update.


Dave


On 4/25/2024 11:14 AM, Richard Turner wrote:


Thanks Sieghard,

This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.


Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and 
less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your 
sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of 
your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio 
Description (1932-2009)


My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com>

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Sieghard Weitzel

*Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from 
Sonos, I just received the below:


Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to 
personalize your listening experience.


Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing 
Sonos app.


How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that 
this update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, 
features, and services will work as they always have, and all your 
settings will be saved.


What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details 
when the update is available.


The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some 
visuals on that website which may show some of the new look, but the 
below information is also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain 
their excellent track record regarding Voiceover accessibility and the 
new app will be fully accessible as the app has been now for around 11 
or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for Sonos, but stopped quite a 
long time ago so I have no personal experience with this update yet 
and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. Here now 
the info they do provide:


Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one 
place for effortless control.


Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to 
your favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And 
personalize your experience.


Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. 
Quickly jump back into recent favourites, browse services, search for 
content, find recommendations, and control your system.


Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just 
enter the artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of 
combined results from all your services.


Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos 
Favourites to create the ultimate music library. Add and edit 
Collections to your Home screen for easy access to go-to content.


Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each 
speaker and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.


Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most 
of your Sonos experience in your Message Centre.


Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos 
products for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the 
volume, change what's playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room 
to the next.


Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for 
music, podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and 
play all the content you love.


Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice 
Control. Adjust speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily 
add speakers to your system.


Access from your computer or tablet

The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and 
content from your browser.


​ Sonos Radio

Music comes standard

Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from 
Sonos Radio. No extra download or account required.


Take care,

Sieghard

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

2024-04-26 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I just did a Google search for "Will the new Sonos app maintain Voiceover 
accessibility" and the first search result was a link to exactly that question 
which was asked by another blind Sonos user in the Sonos community. Here is the 
reply given by a Sonos employee:

Welcome to the Sonos Community!
Apologies for the delay - I wanted to ensure I had a correct answer for you.
Yes, the new Sonos app has been tested with voice-over and will continue to be 
accessible to voice-over users. We aim to keep improving this experience and 
our ultimate goal is to have an even better experience for voice-over users 
with our new app update.
I hope this helps.


Take care,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 2:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

I always get Leary when I hear about a pending update for the
Sonos app. So far the accessibility has been great, but I have well over $1 
invested in Sonos gear and I can’t help but get a bit nervous wondering if some 
major accessibility issue will come up and turn my speakers in to paper 
weights. Having said all that, I’m excited for the update and just hope Sonos 
don’t brake something major.

Chris Judge

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[cid:image001.png@01DA97C5.2A3B93F0]

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

Help is just around the top-right corner
Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

Complete control
Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

Streaming streamlined
The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

Services on Sonos
Unlock all the power of Sonos
Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

Access from your computer or tablet
The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

​ Sonos Radio
Music comes standard
Stream curated

RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

2024-04-26 Thread chrisjudge1967
I always get Leary when I hear about a pending update for the 
Sonos app. So far the accessibility has been great, but I have well over $1 
invested in Sonos gear and I can’t help but get a bit nervous wondering if some 
major accessibility issue will come up and turn my speakers in to paper 
weights. Having said all that, I’m excited for the update and just hope Sonos 
don’t brake something major.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

 

Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

 

Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

 

Access from your computer or tablet

The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

 

​ Sonos Radio

Music comes standard

Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

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RE: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

2024-04-25 Thread Richard Turner
Thanks Sieghard,

This sounds great!  I too hope they maintain their excellent VoiceOver 
accessibility.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: A big update is coming to the Sonos app

 

For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

 

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7

Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.

Your questions answered

Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.

How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.

What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

 

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

 

Your key to the ultimate listening experience

The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.

Better by redesign

The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

 

Welcome to your new Home screen

Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

 

Find everything you want faster

Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

 

Curate and customize

Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

 

Get a clearer view of your system

Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

 

Help is just around the top-right corner

Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

 

Complete control

Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

 

Streaming streamlined

The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

 

Services on Sonos

Unlock all the power of Sonos

Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

 

Access from your computer or tablet

The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

 

​ Sonos Radio

Music comes standard

Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

 

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A big update is coming to the Sonos app

2024-04-25 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
For all the Sonos fans who may not be signed up to receive emails from Sonos, I 
just received the below:

Faster. Easier. Better - App update available May 7
Get ready for a fresh look, easier control, and new ways to personalize your 
listening experience.
Your questions answered
Is this a new app to download? No, this is an update to the existing Sonos app.
How will this affect my system? We've taken great care to ensure that this 
update only enhances your Sonos experience. Your products, features, and 
services will work as they always have, and all your settings will be saved.
What new features does the update include? We’ll reveal more details when the 
update is available.

The email did include a "preview" link, I believe there are some visuals on 
that website which may show some of the new look, but the below information is 
also provided, let's hope Sonos will maintain their excellent track record 
regarding Voiceover accessibility and the new app will be fully accessible as 
the app has been now for around 11 or 12 years. I used to be a beta tester for 
Sonos, but stopped quite a long time ago so I have no personal experience with 
this update yet and will find out what it's like on May 7 as everybody else. 
Here now the info they do provide:

Your key to the ultimate listening experience
The Sonos app brings all your content and settings together in one place for 
effortless control.
Better by redesign
The latest update brings a new look and feel to the Sonos app. Get to your 
favourite music faster. Enjoy easier control of your system. And personalize 
your experience.

Welcome to your new Home screen
Once you open the app, everything you need is at your fingertips. Quickly jump 
back into recent favourites, browse services, search for content, find 
recommendations, and control your system.

Find everything you want faster
Search is always available at the bottom of the Home screen. Just enter the 
artist, genre, album, or song you want, and get a set of combined results from 
all your services.

Curate and customize
Save playlists, artists, and stations from any service to Sonos Favourites to 
create the ultimate music library. Add and edit Collections to your Home screen 
for easy access to go-to content.

Get a clearer view of your system
Swipe up from the bottom of the Home screen to view and control each speaker 
and group. See what’s playing where. Tap to pause or resume.

Help is just around the top-right corner
Discover product tips, feature tutorials, and tips for making the most of your 
Sonos experience in your Message Centre.

Complete control
Play different music in different parts of your home, or group Sonos products 
for a truly immersive listening experience. Adjust the volume, change what's 
playing, and seamlessly move sound from one room to the next.

Streaming streamlined
The Sonos app connects to all your favourite streaming services for music, 
podcasts, radio, and audiobooks, making it easy to navigate and play all the 
content you love.

Services on Sonos
Unlock all the power of Sonos
Access exclusive features like Trueplay™ tuning and Sonos Voice Control. Adjust 
speaker settings to your exact preference. And easily add speakers to your 
system.

Access from your computer or tablet
The Sonos web app gives you complete control of your system and content from 
your browser.

​ Sonos Radio
Music comes standard
Stream curated music and thousands of live broadcast stations from Sonos Radio. 
No extra download or account required.


Take care,
Sieghard

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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

2024-04-08 Thread Esther Levegnale
Hi,everyone,Wow!  I absolutely love Seeing AI, and it's good to know that there is an update!  Thanks for the info!EstherSent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!On Apr 8, 2024, at 4:46 AM, Sharonda White-Goode  wrote:I definitely agree that this update is quite significant, as I have many photos to clean off my phone. On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 10:04 AM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs which you can then save as a route and follow.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.

Hello,

An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says about the update.

• Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.

Malcolm Parfitt

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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

2024-04-08 Thread Sharonda White-Goode
I definitely agree that this update is quite significant, as I have many
photos to clean off my phone.

On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 10:04 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my
> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency
> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus
> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much
> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge
> you have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send
> it to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to
> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description,
> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures
> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the
> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the
> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of
> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor
> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs
> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>
> Hello,
>
> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says
> about the update.
>
> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on
> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your
> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic
> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to
> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate
> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask
> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or
> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich
> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the
> image. • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been
> improved to include even more details. Additionally, the names of people
> you have taught Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now
> available in all 19 languages in which Seeing AI is localized. •
> Handwriting recognition is now also available in Japanese and Korean. •
> Document orientation - After scanning a document, you can find out which
> way round it is - useful when organizing multiple pages for stapling, for
> example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the
> hood.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

2024-04-07 Thread Esther Levegnale
hi, everyone, I also think that Seeing AI is a wonderful and awesome app! I 
hope all of you have a fantastic day. Esther.
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been 
> free. I use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my 
> packages that I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope 
> that more people would get into using it. I have use the part about looking 
> at photos a little bit, I find that part of it very useful.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my 
>> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency 
>> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus 
>> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much 
>> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you 
>> have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it 
>> to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to 
>> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, 
>> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures 
>> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the 
>> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the 
>> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of 
>> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor 
>> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs 
>> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
>> about the update.
>> 
>> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
>> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
>> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic 
>> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to 
>> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate 
>> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask 
>> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or 
>> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich 
>> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. 
>> • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to 
>> include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught 
>> Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 
>> languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now 
>> also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After 
>> scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when 
>> organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page 
>> Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

2024-04-06 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
Seeing AI does not describe people in the same level as Be My AI does but it is 
still an outstanding app.

In my opinion SuperSense’s document mode is the best at the moment, it guides 
you on placing your phone with instructions like:  Move forward, back, left, 
right, nearer and away so you get the document correctly in the view of the 
camera.  Not all edges are visible is not all that helpful in placing your 
phone correctly.

Yes I know SuperSense is expensive but as I already have a lifetime license it 
makes sense to use it.  Whether it is worth the money is a matter of opinion.  
Many apps now have a similar feature set and all have their strengths.  Having 
all the free ones gives us choice and that is all to the good.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 6 Apr 2024, at 6:08 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been 
> free. I use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my 
> packages that I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope 
> that more people would get into using it. I have use the part about looking 
> at photos a little bit, I find that part of it very useful.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my 
>> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency 
>> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus 
>> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much 
>> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you 
>> have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it 
>> to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to 
>> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, 
>> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures 
>> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the 
>> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the 
>> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of 
>> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor 
>> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs 
>> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
>> about the update.
>> 
>> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
>> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
>> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic 
>> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to 
>> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate 
>> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask 
>> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or 
>> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich 
>> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. 
>> • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to 
>> include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught 
>> Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 
>> languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now 
>> also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After 
>> scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when 
>> organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page 
>> Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

2024-04-06 Thread Barbara Stahl
Yes it's a great app

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been 
> free. I use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my 
> packages that I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope 
> that more people would get into using it. I have use the part about looking 
> at photos a little bit, I find that part of it very useful. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my 
>> opinion is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency 
>> recognition and so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus 
>> and I only this morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much 
>> better than what you can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you 
>> have to work from the Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it 
>> to Be My AI for recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to 
>> your photos library and as you open a picture you get a brief description, 
>> you can then tap on More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures 
>> from the Seeing AI app although I find you may have to back out of the 
>> Browse Photos feature and go back in before the picture disappears from the 
>> list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I definitely plan to try more of 
>> the new features like finding items/objects and also to try the Indoor 
>> Navigation feature which allows you to put down something like bread crumbs 
>> which you can then save as a route and follow.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
>> about the update.
>> 
>> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
>> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
>> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic 
>> objects, so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to 
>> teach new objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate 
>> your things. • Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask 
>> Seeing AI questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or 
>> those shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich 
>> description, you may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. 
>> • Rich image descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to 
>> include even more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught 
>> Seeing AI to identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 
>> languages in which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now 
>> also available in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After 
>> scanning a document, you can find out which way round it is - useful when 
>> organizing multiple pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page 
>> Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
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Re: Update to Seeing AI now available.

2024-04-06 Thread Michael Irons
I use Seeing AI quite a bit. I very much like the fact that it has been free. I 
use it a lot to identify my paper money. It also helps me read my packages that 
I have frozen food in. I find the app, quite useful and hope that more people 
would get into using it. I have use the part about looking at photos a little 
bit, I find that part of it very useful. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my opinion 
> is still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency recognition and 
> so on. The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus and I only this 
> morning tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much better than what you 
> can do with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you have to work from the 
> Photos app, open each picture, tap share and send it to Be My AI for 
> recognition. In the Seeing AI app you can give access to your photos library 
> and as you open a picture you get a brief description, you can then tap on 
> More Info and hear more. You can even delete pictures from the Seeing AI app 
> although I find you may have to back out of the Browse Photos feature and go 
> back in before the picture disappears from the list of pictures. Anyways, 
> very nice and I definitely plan to try more of the new features like finding 
> items/objects and also to try the Indoor Navigation feature which allows you 
> to put down something like bread crumbs which you can then save as a route 
> and follow.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says 
> about the update.
> 
> • Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on 
> devices running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your 
> personal objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic objects, 
> so we built this system that provides an audio-first experience to teach new 
> objects yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate your things. • 
> Ask questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask Seeing AI 
> questions about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or those 
> shared from another app. For example, after hearing the rich description, you 
> may wish to hear more about a specific aspect of the image. • Rich image 
> descriptions, when you tap "More Info", have been improved to include even 
> more details. Additionally, the names of people you have taught Seeing AI to 
> identify are now included. And, this is now available in all 19 languages in 
> which Seeing AI is localized. • Handwriting recognition is now also available 
> in Japanese and Korean. • Document orientation - After scanning a document, 
> you can find out which way round it is - useful when organizing multiple 
> pages for stapling, for example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, 
> various bug fixes under the hood.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: Update to Seeing AI now available.

2024-04-06 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
The Seeing Ai app continues to add new and useful features and in my opinion is 
still one of the best apps for any sort of OCR, currency recognition and so on. 
The fact that it is free of course is also a bonus and I only this morning 
tried the "Browse Photos" feature and it's much better than what you can do 
with Be My AI where at least to my knowledge you have to work from the Photos 
app, open each picture, tap share and send it to Be My AI for recognition. In 
the Seeing AI app you can give access to your photos library and as you open a 
picture you get a brief description, you can then tap on More Info and hear 
more. You can even delete pictures from the Seeing AI app although I find you 
may have to back out of the Browse Photos feature and go back in before the 
picture disappears from the list of pictures. Anyways, very nice and I 
definitely plan to try more of the new features like finding items/objects and 
also to try the Indoor Navigation feature which allows you to put down 
something like bread crumbs which you can then save as a route and follow.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 3:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Update to Seeing AI now available.

Hello,

An update to Seeing AI is available in the App Store, here’s what it says about 
the update.

• Find My Things - This new feature, available via the World channel on devices 
running iOS 14+, enables you to teach Seeing AI to recognize your personal 
objects. Most AI systems focus on large datasets of generic objects, so we 
built this system that provides an audio-first experience to teach new objects 
yourself. You can then follow the audio cues to locate your things. • Ask 
questions about photos (English only) - You can now ask Seeing AI questions 
about photos on the Scene channel, in Browse Photos, or those shared from 
another app. For example, after hearing the rich description, you may wish to 
hear more about a specific aspect of the image. • Rich image descriptions, when 
you tap "More Info", have been improved to include even more details. 
Additionally, the names of people you have taught Seeing AI to identify are now 
included. And, this is now available in all 19 languages in which Seeing AI is 
localized. • Handwriting recognition is now also available in Japanese and 
Korean. • Document orientation - After scanning a document, you can find out 
which way round it is - useful when organizing multiple pages for stapling, for 
example. Tap "More", then "Page Info". • Plus, various bug fixes under the hood.

Malcolm Parfitt

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RE: Phone update question

2024-03-31 Thread Rob Armstrong
You should first take a backup of your current system just to be safe.  You can 
back up to iCloud.  But the better approach is to take an encrypted backup to a 
Windows computer or a Mac.  I have never had to restore from a backup, but I 
always take a backup before a major update to a new release.

You should probably have your phone plugged into the battery charger while 
doing the update.  Start the update when you are getting ready to go to bed.  
You will have to enter the pass code to begin the update.  After you enter the 
pass code, the update will happen without you having to do anything.

When I did the update a few weeks ago, an error occurred during the download of 
the new version.  There was an option to retry.  After I double tapped Retry, 
the update downloaded and installed without any more problem.

When the update finishes, it automatically shuts down and restarts the phone.  
It will be on the home screen.

Rob

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Steele
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 1:02 PM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: Phone update question



I'm one of those people who update their phones later than most. This morning, 
I wanted to download an APP and discovered I'd have to have the latest version. 
Good reason to update from iOS 16. Is there a way to do this by having it 
happen overnight, instead of putting my phone out of commission during the day 
while the update is being installed? Thanks for any suggestions.





+Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

+Peace & Blessings,
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Phone update question

2024-03-31 Thread Duane Steele



I'm one of those people who update their phones later than most. This morning, 
I wanted to download an APP and discovered I'd have to have the latest version. 
Good reason to update from iOS 16. Is there a way to do this by having it 
happen overnight, instead of putting my phone out of commission during the day 
while the update is being installed? Thanks for any suggestions.





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Re: Soundscape Community update

2024-03-23 Thread Jody ianuzzi
I have both Soundscape invoice Vista but I prefer Soundscape because VoiceVista 
seems to be more of a ripped out version of Soundscape
JODY

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> On Mar 23, 2024, at 9:30 PM, Thomas Frank  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t updated Sound Scape yet. In any case, I already switched to Voice 
> Vista. This is a fantastic Sound Scape clone made possible when Sound Scape 
> went open source. Voice Vista has many more features than Sound Scape and 
> something new is release almost every week. Try it; you’ll like it.
> 
> Tom
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 7:56 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There was an update to Soundscape Community in the last day or two that I 
>> thought some may folks would want to know about: Here is what it says.
>> Optimisations and enhancements to the core Soundscape experience. 
>> Additionally, we are introducing the Recreational Activities feature 
>> designed to allow the offline creation and import of routes which can then 
>> be shared with a Soundscape Community user, and which provide more 
>> information and details of the environment and surroundings. This was 
>> developed in close collaboration with Mobility Instructors to support them 
>> in the teaching and development of orientation and mobility skills for the 
>> range of different people they work with, including those who are blind or 
>> have low-vision, or developing navigation and wayfinding capabilities for 
>> everyone.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
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Re: Soundscape Community update

2024-03-23 Thread Thomas Frank
I haven’t updated Sound Scape yet. In any case, I already switched to Voice 
Vista. This is a fantastic Sound Scape clone made possible when Sound Scape 
went open source. Voice Vista has many more features than Sound Scape and 
something new is release almost every week. Try it; you’ll like it.

Tom
Thomas Frank
vermont...@gmail.com



> On Mar 23, 2024, at 7:56 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> There was an update to Soundscape Community in the last day or two that I 
> thought some may folks would want to know about: Here is what it says.
> Optimisations and enhancements to the core Soundscape experience. 
> Additionally, we are introducing the Recreational Activities feature designed 
> to allow the offline creation and import of routes which can then be shared 
> with a Soundscape Community user, and which provide more information and 
> details of the environment and surroundings. This was developed in close 
> collaboration with Mobility Instructors to support them in the teaching and 
> development of orientation and mobility skills for the range of different 
> people they work with, including those who are blind or have low-vision, or 
> developing navigation and wayfinding capabilities for everyone.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
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Soundscape Community update

2024-03-23 Thread Richard Turner
There was an update to Soundscape Community in the last day or two that I 
thought some may folks would want to know about: Here is what it says.
Optimisations and enhancements to the core Soundscape experience. Additionally, 
we are introducing the Recreational Activities feature designed to allow the 
offline creation and import of routes which can then be shared with a 
Soundscape Community user, and which provide more information and details of 
the environment and surroundings. This was developed in close collaboration 
with Mobility Instructors to support them in the teaching and development of 
orientation and mobility skills for the range of different people they work 
with, including those who are blind or have low-vision, or developing 
navigation and wayfinding capabilities for everyone.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 

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FW: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes What is going on?

2024-03-11 Thread Dennis Long
I don't normally do this.  But I wanted to backup some of the claims I was 
making.  I feel it is important.

-Original Message-
From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Jeanette 
Kutash
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 2:34 PM
To: hablecommun...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
What is going on?

I have to agree with Dennis here. For those of us who are less technically 
comfortable releasing a product without notes is like sudden death and Hable 
does this a lot. While I think some people have asked for more than Hable can 
deliver they need to be realistic and make choices. I started out loving the 
device but have found it difficult to learn to use because of the way they so 
sloppily do their documentation. And if Roger you think this is so great 
perhaps you should spend some of your time helping people who struggle. I think 
we have been very patient with Hable and  they have never been completely 
honest with us. When I got mine I tried to set up an appointment for help not 
once, not twice, but three times, and I got no assistance. So yes they may be a 
small staff but they have made promises, including a better help system, and 
have been unable to follow through. To continue to survive and I hope they do, 
they need to step up to the plate and figure out what they can realistically do 
and follow through on.

Jeanette 

-Original Message-
From: hablecommun...@groups.io [mailto:hablecommun...@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Roger Fordham
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:47 AM
To: hablecommun...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
What is going on?

Well you keep being there Dennis. But as for me, I use mine every day. I 
like it; each to his own. It may not be perfect, but for what it is, 
it's great. Voiceover isn't perfect. Microsoft isn't perfect. So why 
should Hable be perfect, especially with the small staff they have. So, 
you stick to your preference, and I'll stick to mine.

On 29/02/2024 15:44, Dennis Long wrote:
> Lets see people had issues installing it.AEB braille had issues Things 
> promised and not delivered when it was said would be hear by Hable themselves 
> so put it all together and that is where I am now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Roger 
> Fordham
> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:38 AM
> To: hablecommun...@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
> What is going on?
>
> And You would then be the first to complain that there hadn't been a
> February update at all. Where was it; why hasn't it happened, etc, etc.
> And I didn't see anything particularly bad about the July update either.
>
> On 29/02/2024 15:35, Dennis Long wrote:
>> This is a proven pattern.  From a bad July update and now this no you can 
>> only have so much patience.  You don't put out a update if notes aren't 
>> ready.  You hold back the update until the notes are ready.  If a free 
>> screen reader NVDA can put out proper release notes a $200 product can and 
>> certainly should be expected to do so!!!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Roger 
>> Fordham
>> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:31 AM
>> To: hablecommun...@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
>> What is going on?
>>
>> I absolutely disagree with you Dennis. You are always advising readers
>> to have patience. Where is yours then? The staff will issue notes when
>> they are ready; and because they haven't for one update, why does
>> suddenly this failure make the Bable a terrible product, and according
>> to you nobody should use it any more. Shame on you and your intolerance.
>> You know, and we all know, that the Hable has been of incalculable
>> benefit to thousands of users.
>>
>> On 29/02/2024 14:55, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> This is apparently official with no update notes.  To verify I went to this
>>> link.  It talks about the July update!  I can no longer recommend a Hable
>>> one to anyone.  You don’t respond to requests for what is new!  You don’t
>>> even publish proper release notes!!!  The Hable that caused me to recommend
>>> this product isn’t there  I will encourage anyone that wants a good
>>> Braille keyboard to get an Orbit writer.  This is the Hable update page.
>>> Where does it talk about the February update?
>>> https://www.iamhable.com/support/software-updates
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
&g

RE: looks like today's instacart app update broke editing cart

2024-03-05 Thread sarai.bucciarelli
Thanks.

 

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Subject: Re: looks like today's instacart app update broke editing cart

 

The first unlabeled button is to add a note to your shopper about that item. 
The second is to remove that item from your cart. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

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Hi all:

Just put in an Instacart grocery order. Be aware you cannot change quantity of 
items in your cart IE add more. You can remove items from cart. There are also 
two unlabeled buttons when your on the product in cart.

Work around is to search for the item again. You will hear 1 item in cart then 
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Re: looks like today's instacart app update broke editing cart

2024-03-04 Thread Arnold Schmidt
The first unlabeled button is to add a note to your shopper about that item. The second is to remove that item from your cart. Arnold Schmidt Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Mar 4, 2024, at 9:08 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all:Just put in an Instacart grocery order. Be aware you cannot change quantity of items in your cart IE add more. You can remove items from cart. There are also two unlabeled buttons when your on the product in cart.Work around is to search for the item again. You will hear 1 item in cart then you can add more.



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looks like today's instacart app update broke editing cart

2024-03-04 Thread sarai.bucciarelli
Hi all:

Just put in an Instacart grocery order. Be aware you cannot change quantity
of items in your cart IE add more. You can remove items from cart. There are
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Re: do not update ios facebook app V446.0.0

2024-01-13 Thread Alban Hoxha
voice over can not read link when navigate on news fid.
how can we report this problem?

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Subject: Re: do not update ios facebook app V446.0.0

Yeah, I noticed that yesterday evening. Hopefully it gets fixed.
Loreal
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> On Jan 13, 2024, at 13:02, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi folks
>
> If you update to this version:
> - the problem that embedded links are not spoken is NOT solved, Meta is
> reluctant to solve bugs for visually impaired people! Do please do all
> report to facebook.
> - A new bug is back: with each new post, the phrase Profile Photo is
> announced again, regressions in accessibility sop lease donot update!
> Davy
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Re: do not update ios facebook app V446.0.0

2024-01-13 Thread Loreal Lavigna
Yeah, I noticed that yesterday evening. Hopefully it gets fixed.
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do not update ios facebook app V446.0.0

2024-01-13 Thread davycuppens
Hi folks 

If you update to this version: 
- the problem that embedded links are not spoken is NOT solved, Meta is
reluctant to solve bugs for visually impaired people! Do please do all
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- A new bug is back: with each new post, the phrase Profile Photo is
announced again, regressions in accessibility sop lease donot update!
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Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

2023-12-28 Thread Gordon
Actually you can use the notifications area and you'll find your go back,
pause and fast-forward buttons. The only thing we don't have is the two
finger double tap to start and stop.

On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 5:34 AM Wayne Merritt  wrote:

> Greetings. After doing more playing with the app, I am getting used to it
> and am liking the new design. For instance, if you double tap the now
> playing info at the top, the now playing screen will open up and seems to
> be a lot less cluttered than the way it was before. Plus, all buttons and
> items are labeled. I was very pleased to find that 1 swipe after the play
> button was the Go Live button. On the older version, Go Live was 3 or 4
> flicks right, which I found a little annoying. It wasn’t a huge issue but I
> still found it inconvenient that Go Live was several swipes away from other
> useful content. I haven’t explored everything I’m sure, and there are
> definitely things that could be better. For instance, I miss my nice list
> of favorites from the old app. Although, the new design has removed buttons
> after the channel name. I also miss the rewind and fast forward buttons.
> Those made skipping songs, particularly on the weekly countdown shows I
> enjoy, very convenient. It takes some getting used to, and there are still
> more things to work on, but I’m warming up to the new app’s design.
>
> Happy holidays to all,
> Wayne
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>
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 8:26 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
> Your method seems to be the only way to really narrow it down to the NFL
> teams, but it would be much better if they put them in alphabetical order.
>
> Richard, USA
>
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God
> stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to
> get it.”
>
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>
>
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I find the easiest way to find the list of NFL team channels is still the
> way I posted last week. I go into the search tab and type NFL in the search
> field. The team channels are the first thing to come up.
>
>
>
> I also noticed that in the discovery tab, you can flick down by heading to
> get to an around the NFL section to get to other NFL related content, but
> it doesn’t seem to include the team channels. At the top I see several live
> and upcoming sections for the NBA, college football and so on. I wonder if
> a live and upcoming MFL section will pop up tomorrow when we have NFL games.
>
>
>
> Note that across the top you’ll see what you last played, followed by
> connect to device, play and settings. Below that you’ll see the buttons for
> you, music, talk and podcasts, sports and so on. If you don’t see this row
> of buttons then you may need to tap on the go back button at the  top of
> the page several times to get back to this page.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Ron Canazzi
> *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2023 4:42 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations
>
>
>
> Hi Wayne,
>
> I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a great
> difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep getting the last
> station played player open without playing and I cannot get rid of it, even
> if I close the app and restart it.
>
> On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>
> Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today
> which has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the update, I
> found headings showed up in different places within the app, such as on the
> Discover tab when navigating among sections of the screen. I also found
> headings on screens for channels I would like to listen to. Granted, I
> haven’t explored all parts of the app, and it will take some experimenting
> but this was a welcome surprise. Especially when so many people, including
> me, were upset with the recent major update which changed a lot of things
> and brought many unlabeled buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games,
> and I like their weekly countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I
> wish they gave us more of a traditional means of organizing favorites with
> the edit/done buttons and being able to reorder favorites with rodor
> actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will continue to improve.

RE: Sirius app update improvements and observations

2023-12-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain
True, the order does seem quite bizarre.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 8:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

Your method seems to be the only way to really narrow it down to the NFL teams, 
but it would be much better if they put them in alphabetical order.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I find the easiest way to find the list of NFL team channels is still the way I 
posted last week. I go into the search tab and type NFL in the search field. 
The team channels are the first thing to come up.

I also noticed that in the discovery tab, you can flick down by heading to get 
to an around the NFL section to get to other NFL related content, but it 
doesn’t seem to include the team channels. At the top I see several live and 
upcoming sections for the NBA, college football and so on. I wonder if a live 
and upcoming MFL section will pop up tomorrow when we have NFL games.

Note that across the top you’ll see what you last played, followed by connect 
to device, play and settings. Below that you’ll see the buttons for you, music, 
talk and podcasts, sports and so on. If you don’t see this row of buttons then 
you may need to tap on the go back button at the  top of the page several times 
to get back to this page.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a great 
difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep getting the last 
station played player open without playing and I cannot get rid of it, even if 
I close the app and restart it.
On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today which 
has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the update, I found 
headings showed up in different places within the app, such as on the Discover 
tab when navigating among sections of the screen. I also found headings on 
screens for channels I would like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all 
parts of the app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome 
surprise. Especially when so many people, including me, were upset with the 
recent major update which changed a lot of things and brought many unlabeled 
buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games, and I like their weekly 
countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I wish they gave us more of a 
traditional means of organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being 
able to reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will 
continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like about the main 
Sirius/XM app which one does not get from the more simplified StarPlayerX app.

Happy Holidays,
Wayne
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Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

2023-12-25 Thread Wayne Merritt
Greetings. After doing more playing with the app, I am getting used to it and am liking the new design. For instance, if you double tap the now playing info at the top, the now playing screen will open up and seems to be a lot less cluttered than the way it was before. Plus, all buttons and items are labeled. I was very pleased to find that 1 swipe after the play button was the Go Live button. On the older version, Go Live was 3 or 4 flicks right, which I found a little annoying. It wasn’t a huge issue but I still found it inconvenient that Go Live was several swipes away from other useful content. I haven’t explored everything I’m sure, and there are definitely things that could be better. For instance, I miss my nice list of favorites from the old app. Although, the new design has removed buttons after the channel name. I also miss the rewind and fast forward buttons. Those made skipping songs, particularly on the weekly countdown shows I enjoy, very convenient. It takes some getting used to, and there are still more things to work on, but I’m warming up to the new app’s design.Happy holidays to all,WayneWayne MerrittJAWS Certified, 2023http://freedomscientific.com/certificationConnect with me on GoodReads:http://goodreads.com/waynesbooksOn Dec 22, 2023, at 8:26 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Your method seems to be the only way to really narrow it down to the NFL teams, but it would be much better if they put them in alphabetical order. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







I find the easiest way to find the list of NFL team channels is still the way I posted last week. I go into the search tab and type NFL in the search field. The team channels are the
 first thing to come up.
 
I also noticed that in the discovery tab, you can flick down by heading to get to an around the NFL section to get to other NFL related content, but it doesn’t seem to include the team
 channels. At the top I see several live and upcoming sections for the NBA, college football and so on. I wonder if a live and upcoming MFL section will pop up tomorrow when we have NFL games.
 
Note that across the top you’ll see what you last played, followed by connect to device, play and settings. Below that you’ll see the buttons for you, music, talk and podcasts, sports
 and so on. If you don’t see this row of buttons then you may need to tap on the go back button at the  top of the page several times to get back to this page.
 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations


 
Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a great difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep getting the last station played player open without playing and I cannot get rid of it, even if I close the app and restart it.

On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:


Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today which has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the update, I found headings showed up in different places within the app, such as on the Discover tab
 when navigating among sections of the screen. I also found headings on screens for channels I would like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all parts of the app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome surprise. Especially when so
 many people, including me, were upset with the recent major update which changed a lot of things and brought many unlabeled buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games, and I like their weekly countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I wish they
 gave us more of a traditional means of organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being able to reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like about the main Sirius/XM
 app which one does not get from the more simplified StarPlayerX app. 

 


Happy Holidays,


Wayne 


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Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

2023-12-22 Thread Richard Turner
Your method seems to be the only way to really narrow it down to the NFL teams, but it would be much better if they put them in alphabetical order. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







I find the easiest way to find the list of NFL team channels is still the way I posted last week. I go into the search tab and type NFL in the search field. The team channels are the
 first thing to come up.
 
I also noticed that in the discovery tab, you can flick down by heading to get to an around the NFL section to get to other NFL related content, but it doesn’t seem to include the team
 channels. At the top I see several live and upcoming sections for the NBA, college football and so on. I wonder if a live and upcoming MFL section will pop up tomorrow when we have NFL games.
 
Note that across the top you’ll see what you last played, followed by connect to device, play and settings. Below that you’ll see the buttons for you, music, talk and podcasts, sports
 and so on. If you don’t see this row of buttons then you may need to tap on the go back button at the  top of the page several times to get back to this page.
 

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations


 
Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a great difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep getting the last station played player open without playing and I cannot get rid of it, even if I close the app and restart it.

On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:


Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today which has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the update, I found headings showed up in different places within the app, such as on the Discover tab
 when navigating among sections of the screen. I also found headings on screens for channels I would like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all parts of the app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome surprise. Especially when so
 many people, including me, were upset with the recent major update which changed a lot of things and brought many unlabeled buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games, and I like their weekly countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I wish they
 gave us more of a traditional means of organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being able to reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like about the main Sirius/XM
 app which one does not get from the more simplified StarPlayerX app. 

 


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RE: Sirius app update improvements and observations

2023-12-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I find the easiest way to find the list of NFL team channels is still the way I 
posted last week. I go into the search tab and type NFL in the search field. 
The team channels are the first thing to come up.

I also noticed that in the discovery tab, you can flick down by heading to get 
to an around the NFL section to get to other NFL related content, but it 
doesn’t seem to include the team channels. At the top I see several live and 
upcoming sections for the NBA, college football and so on. I wonder if a live 
and upcoming MFL section will pop up tomorrow when we have NFL games.

Note that across the top you’ll see what you last played, followed by connect 
to device, play and settings. Below that you’ll see the buttons for you, music, 
talk and podcasts, sports and so on. If you don’t see this row of buttons then 
you may need to tap on the go back button at the  top of the page several times 
to get back to this page.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a great 
difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep getting the last 
station played player open without playing and I cannot get rid of it, even if 
I close the app and restart it.
On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today which 
has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the update, I found 
headings showed up in different places within the app, such as on the Discover 
tab when navigating among sections of the screen. I also found headings on 
screens for channels I would like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all 
parts of the app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome 
surprise. Especially when so many people, including me, were upset with the 
recent major update which changed a lot of things and brought many unlabeled 
buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games, and I like their weekly 
countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I wish they gave us more of a 
traditional means of organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being 
able to reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will 
continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like about the main 
Sirius/XM app which one does not get from the more simplified StarPlayerX app.

Happy Holidays,
Wayne
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Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

2023-12-22 Thread Richard Turner
What I find most problmatic, is that there's no way to contact SiriusXM directly from within the app like so many other apps have for getting support.Also, they have no sense of alphabetization.Perhaps the only higher beginning  programmers, who don't know how to do sort ascending. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 22, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
  

  
  
Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a
great difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep
getting the last station played player open without playing and I
cannot get rid of it, even if I close the app and restart it.
On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt
  wrote:

Greetings.
  For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today
  which has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the
  update, I found headings showed up in different places within the
  app, such as on the Discover tab when navigating among sections of
  the screen. I also found headings on screens for channels I would
  like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all parts of the
  app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome
  surprise. Especially when so many people, including me, were upset
  with the recent major update which changed a lot of things and
  brought many unlabeled buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL
  games, and I like their weekly countdown shows on the 80’s and
  90’s channels. I wish they gave us more of a traditional means of
  organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being able to
  reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app
  will continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like
  about the main Sirius/XM app which one does not get from the more
  simplified StarPlayerX app.
  
  
  Happy Holidays,
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Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

2023-12-22 Thread William James
I do like how they have all channels in the search tab.  If I want to browse the channels to see what’s on, I use All Channels.On Christmas Eve, Denise and I will be smoking some ribs and probably put Rock Bar on.  Love that channel!Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Dec 22, 2023, at 5:42 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
  

  
  
Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a
great difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep
getting the last station played player open without playing and I
cannot get rid of it, even if I close the app and restart it.
On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt
  wrote:

Greetings.
  For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today
  which has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the
  update, I found headings showed up in different places within the
  app, such as on the Discover tab when navigating among sections of
  the screen. I also found headings on screens for channels I would
  like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all parts of the
  app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome
  surprise. Especially when so many people, including me, were upset
  with the recent major update which changed a lot of things and
  brought many unlabeled buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL
  games, and I like their weekly countdown shows on the 80’s and
  90’s channels. I wish they gave us more of a traditional means of
  organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being able to
  reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app
  will continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like
  about the main Sirius/XM app which one does not get from the more
  simplified StarPlayerX app.
  
  
  Happy Holidays,
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Re: Sirius app update improvements and observations

2023-12-22 Thread Ron Canazzi

Hi Wayne,

I downloaded the update today and I am still confused. I am having a 
great difficulty getting to the NFL play by play area. I keep getting 
the last station played player open without playing and I cannot get rid 
of it, even if I close the app and restart it.

On 12/22/2023 5:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update 
today which has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the 
update, I found headings showed up in different places within the app, 
such as on the Discover tab when navigating among sections of the 
screen. I also found headings on screens for channels I would like to 
listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all parts of the app, and it 
will take some experimenting but this was a welcome surprise. 
Especially when so many people, including me, were upset with the 
recent major update which changed a lot of things and brought many 
unlabeled buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games, and I like 
their weekly countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I wish 
they gave us more of a traditional means of organizing favorites with 
the edit/done buttons and being able to reorder favorites with rodor 
actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will continue to improve. There 
are a lot of things I really like about the main Sirius/XM app which 
one does not get from the more simplified StarPlayerX app.


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2023-12-22 Thread Wayne Merritt
Greetings. For the Sirius/XM app users on list, there was an update today which 
has some accessibility enhancements. After installing the update, I found 
headings showed up in different places within the app, such as on the Discover 
tab when navigating among sections of the screen. I also found headings on 
screens for channels I would like to listen to. Granted, I haven’t explored all 
parts of the app, and it will take some experimenting but this was a welcome 
surprise. Especially when so many people, including me, were upset with the 
recent major update which changed a lot of things and brought many unlabeled 
buttons. Sirius is my main source for NFL games, and I like their weekly 
countdown shows on the 80’s and 90’s channels. I wish they gave us more of a 
traditional means of organizing favorites with the edit/done buttons and being 
able to reorder favorites with rodor actions. Oh well. Hopefully the app will 
continue to improve. There are a lot of things I really like about the main 
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RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

2023-12-19 Thread davycuppens
Hi I will do that, I am a tester for Apple accessibility! J 
Davy 

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Verzonden: maandag 18 december 2023 15:56
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Onderwerp: Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

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> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

2023-12-18 Thread Joshua Hendrickson
I also really like IOS17.2 AS WELL.  Apart from bard mobile being a
pain and giving me some issues, things are working very well.

On 12/18/23, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> I’m glad that it went well for you. Much like you I have not had any show
> stopping bugs. It’s been pretty good so far.
>
> Ed W.
>
>
>> On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:07 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their
>> respective latest versions of the OS.
>>
>> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every
>> aspect
>> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet
>> encountered a bug.
>>
>> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a
>> splendid
>> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes,
>> dare I say it, even TV OS.
>>
>> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not
>> find a bug.
>>
>> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've
>> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
>>
>> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the
>> latest
>> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
>>
>> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I
>> experienced,
>> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely
>> resolved.
>>
>> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am
>> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
>>
>> Before installing the OS I:
>>
>> 1.
>> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the
>> latest
>> version of iTunes.
>>
>> 2.
>> Backed up the device to iCloud.
>>
>> 3.
>> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
>>
>> 4.
>> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
>>
>> 5.
>> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
>>
>> 6.
>> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.
>> This
>> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
>>
>> 7.
>> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
>>
>> Mark
>>
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Re: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

2023-12-18 Thread Ed Worrell
Hey Mark,

I’m glad that it went well for you. Much like you I have not had any show 
stopping bugs. It’s been pretty good so far.

Ed W.


> On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:07 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes,
> dare I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not
> find a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced,
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

2023-12-18 Thread M. Taylor
Very well stated, Richard, and thank you for posting such a gracious comment.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

Every app and operating system on the planet has bugs.
I am amazed at the number of app updates that say nothing more than "fixed some 
bugs."  This is simply a fact of life with so many different devices and 
operating systems.  
When someone has a positive experience, let them have their positive experience 
without immediately throwing cold water on it.
At this point, I have very few issues with iOS 17.2.  

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

2023-12-18 Thread Richard Turner
Every app and operating system on the planet has bugs.
I am amazed at the number of app updates that say nothing more than "fixed some 
bugs."  This is simply a fact of life with so many different devices and 
operating systems.  
When someone has a positive experience, let them have their positive experience 
without immediately throwing cold water on it.
At this point, I have very few issues with iOS 17.2.  

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 
JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

2023-12-18 Thread Michael Irons
You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

2023-12-18 Thread davycuppens
Mark 

There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 

For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no feedback 
is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that and I am 
testing with them.
So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
will never bet he case, never ever!
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
Experience

Hello All,

Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
respective latest versions of the OS.

I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect of 
all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet encountered a 
bug.

And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid job 
with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare I say 
it, even TV OS.

I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find a 
bug.

In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've used 
since the feature was introduced many years ago.

I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest OS 
so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.

However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, when 
having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.

Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Before installing the OS I:

1.
Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
version of iTunes.

2.
Backed up the device to iCloud.

3.
Closed every app via the App Switcher.

4.
Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.

5.
Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.

6.
Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.

7.
Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).

Mark


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Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

2023-12-15 Thread M. Taylor
Hello All,

Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their
respective latest versions of the OS.

I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect
of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet
encountered a bug.

And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid
job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes,
dare I say it, even TV OS.

I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not
find a bug.

In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've
used since the feature was introduced many years ago.

I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest
OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.

However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced,
when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.

Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am
running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Before installing the OS I:

1.
Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest
version of iTunes.

2.
Backed up the device to iCloud.

3.
Closed every app via the App Switcher.

4.
Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.

5.
Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.

6.
Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This
insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.

7.
Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).

Mark


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RE: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

2023-12-14 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Sure, you can always manually update any app you want and skip others, of 
course then they will always be there showing that they have updates.
I wonder how many Sirius XM users who are upset about the lack of accessibility 
are in touch with the company on a regular basis lobbying for better 
accessibility. Yes, it takes a lot of effort to do this, but it can really pay 
off as well.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 6:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

If I turn off automatic app updates then nothing will get updated. Is there a 
way to not update an individual app such as Sirius XM?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

I do not know if it is geared to iOS 17, but do not be in a hurry to update. It 
has issues.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/



On Dec 14, 2023, at 5:46 PM, Debbie Downey 
mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com>> wrote:

HI folks,

I’ve got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The app 
seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently updated 
apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17?

Thanks!

Debbie
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Re: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

2023-12-14 Thread Gordon
I had to use the searched tab and do a search for the word all and then I
found the complete channel list. The thing that annoys me, the double tap
does not work to stop playback. So you either have to close it in the app
switcher, or search for the place/pause button to stop it. I love the way
it used to be because you could just zip to the channels real quickly if
you wanted to similar to changing the dial on a radio.

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> HI folks,
>
>
>
> I’ve got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The
> app seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently
> updated apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17?
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Re: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

2023-12-14 Thread Richard Turner
Not if automatic updates is on. I don't use automatic update. I check for updates by doing a single finger triple tap on the app store icon, then flicking right to updates and double tapping. Then I touch near the bottom of the screen and do a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen. Then I read about the app updates before updating. I wish I hadn't jumped into the Sirius update, but I did. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 14, 2023, at 6:31 PM, Debbie Downey  wrote:If I turn off automatic app updates then nothing will get updated. Is there a way to not update an individual app such as Sirius XM?   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 8:49 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8 I do not know if it is geared to iOS 17, but do not be in a hurry to update. It has issues.   Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 14, 2023, at 5:46 PM, Debbie Downey <debdow...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:HI folks, I’ve got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The app seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently updated apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17? Thanks! Debbie-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/03d401da2ef8%24834e8820%2489eb9860%24%40tampabay.rr.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/4AD7C594-B409-42B6-9196-E9D2FAB3EDF0%40comcast.net.



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RE: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

2023-12-14 Thread Debbie Downey
If I turn off automatic app updates then nothing will get updated. Is there a 
way to not update an individual app such as Sirius XM?  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

 

I do not know if it is geared to iOS 17, but do not be in a hurry to update. It 
has issues. 

 

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









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HI folks,

 

I’ve got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The app 
seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently updated 
apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17?

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

2023-12-14 Thread Richard Turner
Here is what it says in the app store about which iOS is required:Compatibility, iPhone,Requires iOS 16.0 or later., iPad,Requires iPadOS 16.0 or later., Apple TV,Requires tvOS 16.0 or later.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 14, 2023, at 5:50 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I do not know if it is geared to iOS 17, but do not be in a hurry to update. It has issues. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 14, 2023, at 5:46 PM, Debbie Downey  wrote:HI folks, I’ve got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The app seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently updated apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17? Thanks! Debbie



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Re: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

2023-12-14 Thread Richard Turner
I do not know if it is geared to iOS 17, but do not be in a hurry to update. It has issues. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 14, 2023, at 5:46 PM, Debbie Downey  wrote:HI folks, I’ve got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The app seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently updated apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17? Thanks! Debbie



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RE: Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

2023-12-14 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I had to go into the App Store and after going into my account I flicked up 
with three fingers to refresh my apps that had an update, and it showed up then.

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HI folks,

I've got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The app 
seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently updated 
apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17?

Thanks!

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Sirius XM update on an iPhone 8

2023-12-14 Thread Debbie Downey
HI folks,

 

I've got an iPhone 8 and have not seen an update for Sirius XM today. The
app seems the same to me and there is nothing in my account under recently
updated apps. Is the update geared toward iPhones that can run IOS 17?

 

Thanks!

 

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SuperSense update ads AI descriptions much like Be My Eyes

2023-12-14 Thread Richard Turner
Today's update from SuperSense ads AI and an auto translate feature. It appears 
to me they have adopted pretty much the same thing that Be My Eyes added with 
the AI descriptions. It also uses AI in text scanning. And, as always, they 
promise more exciting updates to come. Don't hold your breath. 

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Re: A Couple of Questions About the iOS 17.2 Update

2023-12-12 Thread Loreal Lavigna
Hey Mark, to answer your first question I haven’t specifically found any bugs 
that this fixes for voiceover. Also, as of notes, I am testing the public beta 
for 17 and have been doing so for the past few weeks. I think you’re going to 
like what is offered in 17.2. as far as your question, regarding purchasing of 
movies and TV shows through the iTunes app on your iPhone, I’ve done both. I’ve 
purchased through the iTunes app itself, but I’ve also been purchasing through 
the TV app. There’s really not much difference, at least none that I’ve seen, 
and certainly nothing that should be , a game changer really. I hope this 
helps. 
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> On Dec 12, 2023, at 15:36, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Okay, I'm going to take the plunge and update to 17.2 but I just want to
> make certain I know what I'm in for:
> 
> 1.
> Has anyone noticed any Voice Over bugs that have been resolved in 17.2?
> 
> 2.
> Up to this point, I have purchased all of my movies and TV shows, from
> Apple, via the iTunes app on my iPhone.  Can one no longer purchase content
> via the iTunes app in iOS 17.2?  I recently saw a post that would suggest
> that Apple has changed the method by which one may purchase video content.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
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A Couple of Questions About the iOS 17.2 Update

2023-12-12 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Everyone,

Okay, I'm going to take the plunge and update to 17.2 but I just want to
make certain I know what I'm in for:

1.
Has anyone noticed any Voice Over bugs that have been resolved in 17.2?

2.
Up to this point, I have purchased all of my movies and TV shows, from
Apple, via the iTunes app on my iPhone.  Can one no longer purchase content
via the iTunes app in iOS 17.2?  I recently saw a post that would suggest
that Apple has changed the method by which one may purchase video content.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark



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RE: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect Accessibility?

2023-12-08 Thread Richard Turner
The nice thing about StarPlayrX is that it shows your favorites, which they 
call "All Stars" in numeric/alphabetic order.

There seems to be some times a bit more momentary pauses while listening 
through StarPlayrX though.  




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Accessibility?

Hi Group,
Hi Group,

Here is a bit of an update on this thread I started last week.  I have 
downloaded the app that is a kind of substitute interface for SiriusXM called 
starplayrx note the spelling when you search for it on the app store.  It is a 
simpler interface with SiriusXM. It is not free and costs $4.99 a one time 
purchase. It is somewhat limited in that it does not give access to podcasts or 
something I am not sure of called XTRA channels.  But you can get all the 
music, sports, talk, news and so on channels you want.  You log in to set up 
the app using your SiriusXM user name and password and you are good to go.

If siriusXm app updates break accessibility starplayrx is a good 
alternative--assuming that this alternative interface does not somehow get 
broken by the changes.



On 11/30/2023 5:38 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
> As a platinum subscriber to SiriusXM and using the iPhone app, I 
> receive regular e-mails concerning SiriusXM features and events. Today 
> I got a notification about the price reduction and the exciting new 
> features to be added on December 14. They also announced a new update 
> to the app with major revisions.
>
> Whenever I hear about exciting new revisions to apps, I cringe. They 
> did this to the NFL app a few years ago and ruined it for 
> accessibility and they broke elements of the Zoom app for iPhone 
> earlier this year.  Has anyone got a heads up on the new SiriusXM app 
> and whether or not it is as accessible as the current version?
>

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Re: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect Accessibility?

2023-12-08 Thread Ron Canazzi

Hi Group,
Hi Group,

Here is a bit of an update on this thread I started last week.  I have 
downloaded the app that is a kind of substitute interface for SiriusXM 
called starplayrx note the spelling when you search for it on the app 
store.  It is a simpler interface with SiriusXM. It is not free and 
costs $4.99 a one time purchase. It is somewhat limited in that it does 
not give access to podcasts or something I am not sure of called XTRA 
channels.  But you can get all the music, sports, talk, news and so on 
channels you want.  You log in to set up the app using your SiriusXM 
user name and password and you are good to go.


If siriusXm app updates break accessibility starplayrx is a good 
alternative--assuming that this alternative interface does not somehow 
get broken by the changes.




On 11/30/2023 5:38 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

As a platinum subscriber to SiriusXM and using the iPhone app, I 
receive regular e-mails concerning SiriusXM features and events. Today 
I got a notification about the price reduction and the exciting new 
features to be added on December 14. They also announced a new update 
to the app with major revisions.


Whenever I hear about exciting new revisions to apps, I cringe. They 
did this to the NFL app a few years ago and ruined it for 
accessibility and they broke elements of the Zoom app for iPhone 
earlier this year.  Has anyone got a heads up on the new SiriusXM app 
and whether or not it is as accessible as the current version?




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Re: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect Accessibility?

2023-11-30 Thread joseph hudson
Well, I guess unless we can figure out how to join the beta, hopefully it stays 
accessible.
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> On Nov 30, 2023, at 4:38 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> As a platinum subscriber to SiriusXM and using the iPhone app, I receive 
> regular e-mails concerning SiriusXM features and events. Today I got a 
> notification about the price reduction and the exciting new features to be 
> added on December 14. They also announced a new update to the app with major 
> revisions.
> 
> Whenever I hear about exciting new revisions to apps, I cringe. They did this 
> to the NFL app a few years ago and ruined it for accessibility and they broke 
> elements of the Zoom app for iPhone earlier this year.  Has anyone got a 
> heads up on the new SiriusXM app and whether or not it is as accessible as 
> the current version?
> 
> -- 
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RE: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect Accessibility?

2023-11-30 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I agree, I'm always apprehensive when an application "improves" their 
interface, but since I dislike the SiriusXM interface so much, I'm being kind 
of optimistic.

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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:29 PM
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Subject: RE: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect 
Accessibility?

Sadly we really have no choice but to wait until 12/14. My advice is to wait to 
do the update on all of your devices until we know how the update will work. My 
fingers are crossed that it will be fine as SiriusXm is my main source of 
radio. Also don't forget you can use SiriusXm on both google and alexa speakers.



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Steele
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect 
Accessibility?

hello Friends,

I also received this notice about siriusXM and wonder how their newly updated 
APP will affect those of us who enjoy programs like MetOpera Radio. The problem 
we all face here is that there's no one at SiriusXM we can contact directly who 
would even care how their updates might change things permanently, and not in 
our favor. I reckon we'll all just live in suspense until December 14th. Let's 
all hope we can still have our programming preferences just as  we do now.


+Peace & Blessings,
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> On Nov 30, 2023, at 5:38 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> As a platinum subscriber to SiriusXM and using the iPhone app, I receive 
> regular e-mails concerning SiriusXM features and events. Today I got a 
> notification about the price reduction and the exciting new features to be 
> added on December 14. They also announced a new update to the app with major 
> revisions.
>
> Whenever I hear about exciting new revisions to apps, I cringe. They did this 
> to the NFL app a few years ago and ruined it for accessibility and they broke 
> elements of the Zoom app for iPhone earlier this year.  Has anyone got a 
> heads up on the new SiriusXM app and whether or not it is as accessible as 
> the current version?
>
> --
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RE: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect Accessibility?

2023-11-30 Thread Corey Cook
Sadly we really have no choice but to wait until 12/14. My advice is to wait to 
do the update on all of your devices until we know how the update will work. My 
fingers are crossed that it will be fine as SiriusXm is my main source of 
radio. Also don't forget you can use SiriusXm on both google and alexa speakers.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect 
Accessibility?

hello Friends,

I also received this notice about siriusXM and wonder how their newly updated 
APP will affect those of us who enjoy programs like MetOpera Radio. The problem 
we all face here is that there's no one at SiriusXM we can contact directly who 
would even care how their updates might change things permanently, and not in 
our favor. I reckon we'll all just live in suspense until December 14th. Let's 
all hope we can still have our programming preferences just as  we do now.
  

+Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Nov 30, 2023, at 5:38 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> As a platinum subscriber to SiriusXM and using the iPhone app, I receive 
> regular e-mails concerning SiriusXM features and events. Today I got a 
> notification about the price reduction and the exciting new features to be 
> added on December 14. They also announced a new update to the app with major 
> revisions.
> 
> Whenever I hear about exciting new revisions to apps, I cringe. They did this 
> to the NFL app a few years ago and ruined it for accessibility and they broke 
> elements of the Zoom app for iPhone earlier this year.  Has anyone got a 
> heads up on the new SiriusXM app and whether or not it is as accessible as 
> the current version?
> 
> --
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Re: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect Accessibility?

2023-11-30 Thread Duane Steele
hello Friends,

I also received this notice about siriusXM and wonder how their newly updated 
APP will affect those of us who enjoy programs like MetOpera Radio. The problem 
we all face here is that there's no one at SiriusXM we can contact directly who 
would even care how their updates might change things permanently, and not in 
our favor. I reckon we'll all just live in suspense until December 14th. Let's 
all hope we can still have our programming preferences just as  we do now.
  

+Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Nov 30, 2023, at 5:38 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> As a platinum subscriber to SiriusXM and using the iPhone app, I receive 
> regular e-mails concerning SiriusXM features and events. Today I got a 
> notification about the price reduction and the exciting new features to be 
> added on December 14. They also announced a new update to the app with major 
> revisions.
> 
> Whenever I hear about exciting new revisions to apps, I cringe. They did this 
> to the NFL app a few years ago and ruined it for accessibility and they broke 
> elements of the Zoom app for iPhone earlier this year.  Has anyone got a 
> heads up on the new SiriusXM app and whether or not it is as accessible as 
> the current version?
> 
> -- 
> Signature:
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Re: SiriusXM To Update Service And App: How Will This Affect Accessibility?

2023-11-30 Thread Matt White
I can understand why that would make you cringe.
It might be worth reaching out and seeing if you can become a beta tester.
Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi Group,
> 
> As a platinum subscriber to SiriusXM and using the iPhone app, I receive 
> regular e-mails concerning SiriusXM features and events. Today I got a 
> notification about the price reduction and the exciting new features to be 
> added on December 14. They also announced a new update to the app with major 
> revisions.
> 
> Whenever I hear about exciting new revisions to apps, I cringe. They did this 
> to the NFL app a few years ago and ruined it for accessibility and they broke 
> elements of the Zoom app for iPhone earlier this year.  Has anyone got a 
> heads up on the new SiriusXM app and whether or not it is as accessible as 
> the current version?
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RE: Is this due to latest update

2023-11-29 Thread danneyyates
Richard, your assistance helped and things seem to be working normally.  Thanks 
so much

Dan

 

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It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom is 
double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5. 

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t always 
get a response and will  sometimes trigger something other than what I’m 
focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using Siri, 
she will only read the first part of it back to me, then  after the microphone 
seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost like she isn’t 
aware that I’ve completed my dictating.

With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this  could be 
a factor?

Dan

 

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RE: Is this due to latest update

2023-11-29 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz
The other day, I reached out to their accessibility team regarding a VO issue I 
was having where VO would just randomly go silent for 20 to 30 seconds. Very 
similar to a nasty bug we dealt with maybe back with iOS 7 or 8 or one of those 
versions. 
Low and behold, they acknowledged the issue after I gave a detailed description 
of when and how etc. They asked me to generate a diagnostic report via a link 
they provided and said they were working on it.
Sometimes it does feel like you’re just screaming into the void, and others… 
reaching out to report a bug really does help.


Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I also get this, make sure you email Apple Accessibility and let them know, 
they can’t fix it if nobody tells them and they may not give it much priority 
if only 1 or 2 people report it.
 
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
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Subject: RE: Is this due to latest update
 
This certainly solved my problems.
Alison
 
 
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Richard Turner
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Subject: Re: Is this due to latest update
 
It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom is 
double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5. 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 
 
 
On Nov 28, 2023, at 11:16 AM, danneyya...@gmail.com 
<mailto:danneyya...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t always 
get a response and will  sometimes trigger something other than what I’m 
focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using Siri, 
she will only read the first part of it back to me, then  after the microphone 
seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost like she isn’t 
aware that I’ve completed my dictating.
With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this  could be 
a factor?
Dan
 
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RE: Is this due to latest update

2023-11-29 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I also get this, make sure you email Apple Accessibility and let them know, 
they can’t fix it if nobody tells them and they may not give it much priority 
if only 1 or 2 people report it.


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MAY
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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This certainly solved my problems.
Alison


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
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Subject: Re: Is this due to latest update

It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom is 
double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/



On Nov 28, 2023, at 11:16 AM, 
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I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t always 
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focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using Siri, 
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seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost like she isn’t 
aware that I’ve completed my dictating.
With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this  could be 
a factor?
Dan

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RE: Is this due to latest update

2023-11-29 Thread CJ & AA MAY
This certainly solved my problems.

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 7:29 PM
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It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom is 
double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5. 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t always 
get a response and will  sometimes trigger something other than what I’m 
focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using Siri, 
she will only read the first part of it back to me, then  after the microphone 
seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost like she isn’t 
aware that I’ve completed my dictating.

With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this  could be 
a factor?

Dan

 

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RE: Is this due to latest update

2023-11-28 Thread Richard Turner
Yes, of course.

My brain is not all present at the moment.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

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Hi Richard and Danny,

 

I think you meant to increase it to, .3, or, .35.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

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Subject: Re: Is this due to latest update

 

It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom is 
double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5. 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/









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I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t always 
get a response and will  sometimes trigger something other than what I’m 
focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using Siri, 
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Re: Is this due to latest update

2023-11-28 Thread Mike B.
Hi Richard and Danny,

I think you meant to increase it to, .3, or, .35.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Is this due to latest update


It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom 
is double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5.



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it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get 
 it.”

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  On Nov 28, 2023, at 11:16 AM, danneyya...@gmail.com wrote:


  
  I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t 
always get a response and will  sometimes trigger something other than what 
I’m focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using 
Siri, she will only read the first part of it back to me, then  after the 
microphone seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost 
like she isn’t aware that I’ve completed my dictating.

  With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this 
could be a factor?

  Dan





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RE: Is this due to latest update

2023-11-28 Thread danneyyates
Thanks, Richard.  I’ll check this out.

Dan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
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It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom is 
double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5. 

 

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I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t always 
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seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost like she isn’t 
aware that I’ve completed my dictating.

With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this  could be 
a factor?

Dan

 

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Re: Is this due to latest update

2023-11-28 Thread Richard Turner
It is. Try going to settings, accessibility,  VoiceOver, and at the bottom is double tap time out. Try increasing it to 3 or 3.5. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Nov 28, 2023, at 11:16 AM, danneyya...@gmail.com wrote:I’ve noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn’t always get a response and will  sometimes trigger something other than what I’m focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using Siri, she will only read the first part of it back to me, then  after the microphone seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost like she isn’t aware that I’ve completed my dictating.With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this  could be a factor?Dan  



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Is this due to latest update

2023-11-28 Thread danneyyates
I've noticed, since latest update, my double tapping the screen doesn't
always get a response and will  sometimes trigger something other than what
I'm focused on.  Second issue is that when I dictate a text message, using
Siri, she will only read the first part of it back to me, then  after the
microphone seems to go on and off, will finally read it all back.  Almost
like she isn't aware that I've completed my dictating.

With these issues occurring after the update, I just wondered if this  could
be a factor?

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Re: VoiceDream - is it safe to update?

2023-11-27 Thread Joshua Hendrickson
Richard I completely agree.  As much as I use voice dream reader, I'd
know if the app were broken in some way.  I've got loads of audio
dramas and audio books I've put into voice dream reader so I can't
have anything go wrong with the app.

On 11/27/23, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I updated to that version on November 21st and have had no issues. It is
> really too bad that people say things like x app broke accessibility without
> either being specific about what the issues are, or figuring out if it is a
> unique issue to their phone.
>
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get
> it.”
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>
>
>
>> On Nov 27, 2023, at 5:48 PM, Peter Bosher 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>> Somebody recently posted to say that the latest version of VoiceDream,
>> 4.23.8 I think, had broken accessibility. As this is an essential app for
>> me, I haven't updated recently. Please can you confirm whether it's safe
>> or not to update now?
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Re: VoiceDream - is it safe to update?

2023-11-27 Thread Richard Turner
I updated to that version on November 21st and have had no issues. It is really 
too bad that people say things like x app broke accessibility without either 
being specific about what the issues are, or figuring out if it is a unique 
issue to their phone. 

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
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> On Nov 27, 2023, at 5:48 PM, Peter Bosher  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> Somebody recently posted to say that the latest version of VoiceDream, 4.23.8 
> I think, had broken accessibility. As this is an essential app for me, I 
> haven't updated recently. Please can you confirm whether it's safe or not to 
> update now?
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> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Peter
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Re: VoiceDream - is it safe to update?

2023-11-27 Thread Joshua Hendrickson
My experience, is that the latest version of voice dream reader is
just fine.  I use the app all the time as well.  It is great.  It is
so cool to put some described movies into the app and just watch the
ones I want.

On 11/27/23, leobado1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Hi, it is essential for me as well, and I haven't had any issues in this
> version, which was released 5 days ago by the way. However, I won't say that
> this should be every single user experience. I had issues weeks ago  that
> apparently most users were not having, reinstalling the app fixed it.
>
> Best,
>  Leo Bado
>
> "Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter
> Bosher
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2023 8:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: VoiceDream - is it safe to update?
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> Somebody recently posted to say that the latest version of VoiceDream,
> 4.23.8 I think, had broken accessibility. As this is an essential app
> for me, I haven't updated recently. Please can you confirm whether it's
> safe or not to update now?
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>
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