RE: Upgrading software

[Karen Poulakos]

Oops!  Sorry, I sent this message to the wrong group. I'll re-engage my
brain and get it right .
 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Karen Poulakos
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2023 9:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Upgrading software

I've had my Orbit Reader 20 Plus for almost 2 years, and have just begun
getting comfortable with using it over the last several months.  I've never
updated the software, and decided to give it a try.  However I'm a little
intividated by the process.  I tried calling Support, hoping they would walk
me through the process, and they referred me to the manual.

I have downloaded the zip file to the desktop of my pc,  but haven't opened
the file yet.

I'm trying to decide whether it would be easier to connect my unit to the
pc, or to use the sd card method of upgrading.  My laptop does have a slot
which fits my sd card.  

If I use the pc method, the manual says to be sure the Orbit Reader is
turned off before connecting to the pc.  However, it doesn't say anything
about turning it on.  Does putting it into upgrade mode, by pressing the
panning key, dot 5, and dot 8 do that?  

Is the right panning forward button the part of the button closest to me, or
away from me?  

Also if I connect to my pc, should I remove the sd card from the Orbit
Reader before beginning this process?

Any help is appreciated.

Karen P 

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Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Robert Doc Wright]

Mine did that on my 10R but it stopped once I got past face ID and passcode.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since 
upgrading


I do have languages in the rotor, but that’s not what this is about. The 
language is not switching. It’s staying on the default which should be Alex. 
I have US English default for Alex. I also have Allison as a secondary US 
English voice, and of course I have a Russian voice. I have never seen 
switching between voices when I’m just flicking around a message list or 
among icons on the screen until this upgrade. I am really quite sure it has 
nothing to do with the rotor accidentally moving.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>
> Do you have languages in the rotor? The only time I have voices changing 
> suddenly is when the rotor ends up on languages and I accidently flick up 
> or down and find the voice different.
>
>
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
>
>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except 
>> that for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to 
>> Alex, sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching 
>> anything. Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes 
>> language comes out using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. 
>> Has anyone experienced this?
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Alan Lemly]

My below comments probably aren't worth much but I'll make them anyway. 

I've had some sort of audio issue with VoiceOver whether it is my selected 
voice not sounding the same as before the upgrade or something else for the 
last two or three major iOS upgrades. It normally takes a day or two after the 
upgrade before my device is speaking properly again. 

I have no clue whether this has anything to do with the problem Mary is 
experiencing or not. 

I would recommend that she change her default VoiceOver voice to something like 
Samantha not enhanced and play around with it for a bit to see if her results 
are any different after doing so. I'm pretty sure I've had to redownload TTS 
voices following a major iOS upgrade or two in the past to get things speaking 
right again. 

Alan Lemly 

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> On Sep 21, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn't really think that was what was happening, but thought I'd throw it 
> out there.
> I gather this is also unpredictable so having Apple Accessibility sharing 
> your screen to see it happen is not practicle...
> 
> Very strange.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since 
> upgrading
> 
> I do have languages in the rotor, but that’s not what this is about. The 
> language is not switching. It’s staying on the default which should be Alex. 
> I have US English default for Alex. I also have Allison as a secondary US 
> English voice, and of course I have a Russian voice. I have never seen 
> switching between voices when I’m just flicking around a message list or 
> among icons on the screen until this upgrade. I am really quite sure it has 
> nothing to do with the rotor accidentally moving. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have languages in the rotor? The only time I have voices changing 
>> suddenly is when the rotor ends up on languages and I accidently flick up or 
>> down and find the voice different.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except 
>>> that for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
>>> sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching 
>>> anything. Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes 
>>> language comes out using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. 
>>> Has anyone experienced this?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Mary Otten]

If I can ever figure out a pattern, I certainly will call Apple Accessibility. 
It’s very strange.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 10:09 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn't really think that was what was happening, but thought I'd throw it 
> out there.
> I gather this is also unpredictable so having Apple Accessibility sharing 
> your screen to see it happen is not practicle...
> 
> Very strange.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since 
> upgrading
> 
> I do have languages in the rotor, but that’s not what this is about. The 
> language is not switching. It’s staying on the default which should be Alex. 
> I have US English default for Alex. I also have Allison as a secondary US 
> English voice, and of course I have a Russian voice. I have never seen 
> switching between voices when I’m just flicking around a message list or 
> among icons on the screen until this upgrade. I am really quite sure it has 
> nothing to do with the rotor accidentally moving. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have languages in the rotor? The only time I have voices changing 
>> suddenly is when the rotor ends up on languages and I accidently flick up or 
>> down and find the voice different.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except 
>>> that for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
>>> sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching 
>>> anything. Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes 
>>> language comes out using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. 
>>> Has anyone experienced this?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Richard Turner]

I didn't really think that was what was happening, but thought I'd throw it out 
there.
I gather this is also unpredictable so having Apple Accessibility sharing your 
screen to see it happen is not practicle...

Very strange.



Richard, USA.
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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since 
upgrading

I do have languages in the rotor, but that’s not what this is about. The 
language is not switching. It’s staying on the default which should be Alex. I 
have US English default for Alex. I also have Allison as a secondary US English 
voice, and of course I have a Russian voice. I have never seen switching 
between voices when I’m just flicking around a message list or among icons on 
the screen until this upgrade. I am really quite sure it has nothing to do with 
the rotor accidentally moving. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you have languages in the rotor? The only time I have voices changing 
> suddenly is when the rotor ends up on languages and I accidently flick up or 
> down and find the voice different.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except 
>> that for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
>> sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching anything. 
>> Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes language comes 
>> out using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. Has anyone 
>> experienced this?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Mary Otten]

I do have languages in the rotor, but that’s not what this is about. The 
language is not switching. It’s staying on the default which should be Alex. I 
have US English default for Alex. I also have Allison as a secondary US English 
voice, and of course I have a Russian voice. I have never seen switching 
between voices when I’m just flicking around a message list or among icons on 
the screen until this upgrade. I am really quite sure it has nothing to do with 
the rotor accidentally moving. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you have languages in the rotor? The only time I have voices changing 
> suddenly is when the rotor ends up on languages and I accidently flick up or 
> down and find the voice different.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA 
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except 
>> that for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
>> sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching anything. 
>> Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes language comes 
>> out using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. Has anyone 
>> experienced this?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Richard Turner]

Do you have languages in the rotor? The only time I have voices changing 
suddenly is when the rotor ends up on languages and I accidently flick up or 
down and find the voice different.


Richard, USA 
——
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(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Sep 21, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except 
> that for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
> sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching anything. 
> Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes language comes 
> out using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. Has anyone 
> experienced this?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Voiceover voice keeps switching between Alex and Samantha since upgrading

[Mary Otten]

Yesterday, I upgraded my iPad mini six to iOS 17. So far so good, except that 
for whatever reason, my default language voice which was sent to Alex, 
sometimes arbitrarily switches to Samantha. Not that I’m switching anything. 
Just navigating around the screen for some reason, sometimes language comes out 
using Samantha not Alex. I can’t determine a pattern. Has anyone experienced 
this?
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Re: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[Evan Reese]

I have an iPhone 12, and I have been using the Eloquence voice. I was 
looking forward to trying out that bunch of new settings that I heard in 
the demo. But after upgrading to iOS 17, I go into the per voice 
settings as in the demo, but I cannot hear any changes in the voice when 
I change the Eloquence settings as it does on the demo. I can hear 
changes when I preview settings, but I don't see any way to activate them.


Does anyone know why I can't get this to work right?

Evan


On 9/19/2023 3:20 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:


Listen to this demonstration, however, I wouldn’t know to tell you if 
this option is available for your iPad:


https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast1565.mp3

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Hi,  I don’t even see the option to change the settings in vo using 
eloquence.  Am I missing something?


I am using the iPad 5th gen mini.

Matthew



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Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some
reason after changing any value  in the voice settings, those
changes do not impact the Eloquence voice in any manner. I have
already tried restarting my iPhone S.E second generation, and
removing all the languages from the rotor, but nothing seems to
work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I’m having.
Any change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I’m
still in the screen where you can modify the values.

Best,

Leo Bado

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RE: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[leobado1982]

Listen to this demonstration, however, I wouldn’t know to tell you if this 
option is available for your iPad:

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast1565.mp3

 

Best,

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of matthew 
dyer
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

 

Hi,  I don’t even see the option to change the settings in vo using eloquence.  
Am I missing something? 

 

I am using the iPad 5th gen mini.

 

Matthew

 





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Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some reason after 
changing any value  in the voice settings, those changes do not impact the 
Eloquence voice in any manner. I have already tried restarting my iPhone S.E 
second generation, and removing all the languages from the rotor, but nothing 
seems to work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I’m having. Any 
change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I’m still in the 
screen where you can modify the values.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

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Re: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[matthew dyer]

Hi,  I don’t even see the option to change the settings in vo using eloquence.  
Am I missing something?

I am using the iPad 5th gen mini.

Matthew


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Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some reason after 
changing any value  in the voice settings, those changes do not impact the 
Eloquence voice in any manner. I have already tried restarting my iPhone S.E 
second generation, and removing all the languages from the rotor, but nothing 
seems to work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I’m having. Any 
change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I’m still in the 
screen where you can modify the values.

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Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[leobado1982]

Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some reason after
changing any value  in the voice settings, those changes do not impact the
Eloquence voice in any manner. I have already tried restarting my iPhone S.E
second generation, and removing all the languages from the rotor, but
nothing seems to work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I'm
having. Any change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I'm
still in the screen where you can modify the values.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

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RE: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Dave,

 

Thanks for alerting me to this setting. I’ve never messed with activities under 
the Voiceover settings so was not familiar with it. I’ve forwarded your post to 
my friend so we’ll see if that does the trick. Otherwise, as Richard suggested, 
I suspect a call to Apple Accessibility is called for.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Clement
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Subject: Re: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after 
upgrading to iOS 15?

 

Hi, 

 

I ran into this problem when I updated to IOS 15 on my iphone 8. It turned out 
to be a problem with the "activity" option in Voiceover. I had an old activity 
which got activated that had verbosity settings that caused all punctuation to 
be spoken. I deleted that activity and my normal Voiceover settings took over 
again. 

 

Note that in IOS 15, many more Voiceover options can be set in an "activity". 

 

Dave Clement

Winnipeg MB

 


On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:09 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

I have not had any issues with punctuation since 15.1.1.

Have they tried different voices?

Next, would be contacting Apple Accessibility and see if they could run a 
diagnostic.

And there is always the trusty, somewhat of a pain, resetting network settings 
to scare away the Gremlins

 

 

 

Richard

 

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Hi List,

 

I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all 
punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to 
none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I 
recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those 
details are gone with the wind at this point.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any 
settings to check?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

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RE: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Get them to try changing the voice and see if it keeps happening.

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Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2021 2:58 pm
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Subject: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after 
upgrading to iOS 15?

Hi List,

I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all 
punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to 
none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I 
recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those 
details are gone with the wind at this point.

Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any 
settings to check?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Re: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Dave Clement]

Hi, 

I ran into this problem when I updated to IOS 15 on my iphone 8. It turned out 
to be a problem with the "activity" option in Voiceover. I had an old activity 
which got activated that had verbosity settings that caused all punctuation to 
be spoken. I deleted that activity and my normal Voiceover settings took over 
again. 

Note that in IOS 15, many more Voiceover options can be set in an "activity". 

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB
 

On Dec 8, 2021, at 9:09 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


I have not had any issues with punctuation since 15.1.1.
Have they tried different voices?
Next, would be contacting Apple Accessibility and see if they could run a 
diagnostic.
And there is always the trusty, somewhat of a pain, resetting network settings 
to scare away the Gremlins



Richard

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
website:  www.turner42.com

(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all 
> punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to 
> none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I 
> recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those 
> details are gone with the wind at this point.
>  
> Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any 
> settings to check?
>  
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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Re: Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Richard Turner]

I have not had any issues with punctuation since 15.1.1.
Have they tried different voices?
Next, would be contacting Apple Accessibility and see if they could run a 
diagnostic.
And there is always the trusty, somewhat of a pain, resetting network settings 
to scare away the Gremlins



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On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:


Hi List,

I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all 
punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to 
none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I 
recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those 
details are gone with the wind at this point.

Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any 
settings to check?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Alan Lemly

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Did anyone experience an abundance of spoken punctuation after upgrading to iOS 15?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I have a friend who upgraded an iPhone 12 Pro to iOS 15.1.1 today and all
punctuation is being spoken by Voiceover even with rotor punctuation set to
none and punctuation under Voiceover verbosity set to none. I thought I
recalled some punctuation issue posts when iOS 15 first came out but those
details are gone with the wind at this point.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions of what might be causing this issue or any
settings to check?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

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RE: indexing upgrading RE: Strange behaviour in the native mail app in iOS15

[Richard Turner]

My VoiceOver voices stayed as premium voices.
There is certainly indexing that will be going on, and it is a good idea not to 
jump to conclusions about bugs until a day or two has gone by for that reason.




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-Original Message-
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davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: indexing upgrading RE: Strange behaviour in the native mail app in 
iOS15

Malcom and all others 

Please be aware of the fact that an update has to do major work in the 
background and lots of stuff in our devices should be re-indexed again. 
Therefore I always advise to update late in the evening or at night and then 
after the update, load your device up till 100% and leave it in rest all night 
before exploring the new ios version.

Things can really be upset in the first hours or yeven voiceover voices are 
compact.
Regards
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Malcolm Parfitt
Verzonden: maandag 20 september 2021 21:47
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Strange behaviour in the native mail app in iOS15

As I have not seen this issue mentioned and now iOS15 is out of beta I would 
welcome list members' opinion on the following issue.

I have several imap accounts in the native mail app on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.

What I am about to describe does not occur with any pattern that I can identify.

Some times when I read a message, exit it then quit the mail app via Task 
Switcher when I launch the mail app I am in the message I was previously 
reading.  This behaviour occurs no matter what folder the message resides in.

If I restart the iPhone and launch the mail app I am still placed in the 
message I was previously reading.

The only way to resolve this is to delete the message.  Obviously this is not 
ideal if I want to keep it.

After a while, several hours launching the mail app normal behaviour is 
restored and I am placed in my inbox rather than being in a particular message.

I have described the strange issue to the best of my ability and wonder if 
anyone else has experienced this.

I have never had this issue in any other version of iOS other than V15.

Malcolm Parfitt

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indexing upgrading RE: Strange behaviour in the native mail app in iOS15

[davycuppens]

Malcom and all others 

Please be aware of the fact that an update has to do major work in the 
background and lots of stuff in our devices should be re-indexed again. 
Therefore I always advise to update late in the evening or at night and then 
after the update, load your device up till 100% and leave it in rest all night 
before exploring the new ios version.

Things can really be upset in the first hours or yeven voiceover voices are 
compact.
Regards
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Malcolm Parfitt
Verzonden: maandag 20 september 2021 21:47
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Strange behaviour in the native mail app in iOS15

As I have not seen this issue mentioned and now iOS15 is out of beta I would 
welcome list members’ opinion on the following issue.

I have several imap accounts in the native mail app on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.

What I am about to describe does not occur with any pattern that I can identify.

Some times when I read a message, exit it then quit the mail app via Task 
Switcher when I launch the mail app I am in the message I was previously 
reading.  This behaviour occurs no matter what folder the message resides in.

If I restart the iPhone and launch the mail app I am still placed in the 
message I was previously reading.

The only way to resolve this is to delete the message.  Obviously this is not 
ideal if I want to keep it.

After a while, several hours launching the mail app normal behaviour is 
restored and I am placed in my inbox rather than being in a particular message.

I have described the strange issue to the best of my ability and wonder if 
anyone else has experienced this.

I have never had this issue in any other version of iOS other than V15.

Malcolm Parfitt

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RE: thinking of upgrading from the i phone 8 to the i phone 12 pro what's the comand to start vo on that phone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And you don't want to do this until the new iPhones come out. Furthermore, in 
my opinion there is very little reason to get a 12 Pro, the regular 12 will be 
a lot less expensive and unless you really think the Lidar feature is important 
there isn't much else you would miss.
Anyways, just as with all iPhones without home button, a triple press of the 
side button will start Voiceover after you take the phone out of the box.

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Hi all I am thinking of upgrading to the I phone 12 pro from the I phone 8 and 
am wondering what’s the command to start vo on that phone? Many thanks. I am 
not shure if I am going to upgrade I am just thinking about it. from Mich.
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RE: thinking of upgrading from the i phone 8 to the i phone 12 pro what's the comand to start vo on that phone?

[Mr. Ed]

Same as on the 8.

Mr. Ed

 

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Mich Verrier
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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the comand to start vo on that phone?

 

Hi all I am thinking of upgrading to the I phone 12 pro from the I phone 8 and 
am wondering what’s the command to start vo on that phone? Many thanks. I am 
not shure if I am going to upgrade I am just thinking about it. from Mich.

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RE: thinking of upgrading from the i phone 8 to the i phone 12 pro what's the comand to start vo on that phone?

[Dennis Long]

Mitch you might want to wait until the iPhone 13 comes out for 2 reasons.  1 
You might decide you want that.  2   you might get the iPhone 12 pro cheaper 
once the 13 is available for order.

 

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the comand to start vo on that phone?

 

Hi all I am thinking of upgrading to the I phone 12 pro from the I phone 8 and 
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RE: thinking of upgrading from the i phone 8 to the i phone 12 pro what's the comand to start vo on that phone?

[Alan Lemly]

I’ll add to Richard’s post to make clear that you triple press the large power 
button on the right  of the device with the device screen up in order to 
activate Voiceover. There are also two volume buttons on the left side of the 
device and you don’t use those. And when you’re activating an iPhone’s side 
buttons, it takes a press as opposed to a tap to engage them.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of upgrading from the i phone 8 to the i phone 12 pro 
what's the comand to start vo on that phone?

 

on the phones with no home button, you triple tap the side button. 

Also, you can hold it in to get Siri like you would have held the home button 
on the older phones.

I think that is really the only two similar functions for the side button 
compared to the home button.

After the iPhone 13 is released, I suspect you can get an even batter price 
than before.

 

 

Richard

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Hi all I am thinking of upgrading to the I phone 12 pro from the I phone 8 and 
am wondering what’s the command to start vo on that phone? Many thanks. I am 
not shure if I am going to upgrade I am just thinking about it. from Mich.

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Re: thinking of upgrading from the i phone 8 to the i phone 12 pro what's the comand to start vo on that phone?

[Lisa Belville]

Hi, Mich.


I have an iPhone 12 Pro.  The command to stop or start VO is to press 
the side button three times in a row quickly.  This phone doesn't have a 
home button, so a single long press of the side button would get SIRI 
and you could start VO that way if you needed to.




Lisa



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On 8/27/2021 11:21 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:


Hi all I am thinking of upgrading to the I phone 12 pro from the I 
phone 8 and am wondering what’s the command to start vo on that phone? 
Many thanks. I am not shure if I am going to upgrade I am just 
thinking about it. from Mich.


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Re: thinking of upgrading from the i phone 8 to the i phone 12 pro what's the comand to start vo on that phone?

[Richard Turner]

on the phones with no home button, you triple tap the side button.
Also, you can hold it in to get Siri like you would have held the home button 
on the older phones.
I think that is really the only two similar functions for the side button 
compared to the home button.
After the iPhone 13 is released, I suspect you can get an even batter price 
than before.



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Hi all I am thinking of upgrading to the I phone 12 pro from the I phone 8 and 
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thinking of upgrading from the i phone 8 to the i phone 12 pro what's the comand to start vo on that phone?

[Mich Verrier]

Hi all I am thinking of upgrading to the I phone 12 pro from the I phone 8
and am wondering what's the command to start vo on that phone? Many thanks.
I am not shure if I am going to upgrade I am just thinking about it. from
Mich.

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Re: Upgrading Iphone 7

[doug parisian]

David, thanks for what I suspected.  Yes, auto updates are turned off.  
I'll eventually commit the many tangible buttons on instapot to memory.  
Further, I have no reason for updating IO on Iphone 7.  I had originally 
planned to hand in a couple of retired Iphones to Apple for whatever 
bucks I could nab but just never got to it, then I learned just in time 
about Instapot.  I had already properly wiped my Iphone 7 which had only 
16 GB.  My 8 has 32GB and managed to get the larger backup sufficiently 
restored on 8 to include Instapot.  I don't care about the rest of the 
apps since 7 if only to be used for instapot.


And don't get me started on the moral bankruptcy of appliance 
manufacturers.  Example, a talking microwave need not cost anywhere near 
$300 but that isn't for this list.


On 2021-05-07 10:47 a.m., Dave Clement wrote:

Hi Doug,

An iPhone 7 can run IOS 14.x so if you attempt to upgrade it, IOS 14.5.1 would 
get installed. IOS only upgrades to the latest version. If support for your 
Instapot was broken in IOS 14 and you want/need to use the Instapot app, then 
don't upgrade.

I have read about the problem with Instapot dropping support for the bluetooth 
version of the Instapot. Is this what you are running into or is there a 
separate problem with the app for Instapot? I have heard that the WIFI model 
Instapot is working OK but that does not help all those who bought the 
bluetooth model and the WIFI model is more expensive.

One last thought - I'm sure you've done this but make sure you have "automatic 
updates" turned off on your iPhone 7 to prevent the upgrade to IOS 14.5.1.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On May 6, 2021, at 1:54 PM, doug parisian  wrote:

I am currently using an Iphone 8 and will likely update to the most recent IO 
14.5.1.  I also have a retired Iphone 7 and I'm hoping that, if i attempt to 
upgrade, it will NOT upgrade to the latest IO; I have the smart cooker app for 
the instapot and i know instapot are too morally bankrupt to continue 
supporting blind customers with their accessible app.  So, what will happen if 
I attempt to upgrade my Iphone 7?  Will it simply reject the most recent update 
or install a previous update it can handle and that will still allow instapot 
to work?



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Re: Upgrading Iphone 7

[Dave Clement]

Hi Doug, 

An iPhone 7 can run IOS 14.x so if you attempt to upgrade it, IOS 14.5.1 would 
get installed. IOS only upgrades to the latest version. If support for your 
Instapot was broken in IOS 14 and you want/need to use the Instapot app, then 
don't upgrade. 

I have read about the problem with Instapot dropping support for the bluetooth 
version of the Instapot. Is this what you are running into or is there a 
separate problem with the app for Instapot? I have heard that the WIFI model 
Instapot is working OK but that does not help all those who bought the 
bluetooth model and the WIFI model is more expensive. 

One last thought - I'm sure you've done this but make sure you have "automatic 
updates" turned off on your iPhone 7 to prevent the upgrade to IOS 14.5.1.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On May 6, 2021, at 1:54 PM, doug parisian  wrote:

I am currently using an Iphone 8 and will likely update to the most recent IO 
14.5.1.  I also have a retired Iphone 7 and I'm hoping that, if i attempt to 
upgrade, it will NOT upgrade to the latest IO; I have the smart cooker app for 
the instapot and i know instapot are too morally bankrupt to continue 
supporting blind customers with their accessible app.  So, what will happen if 
I attempt to upgrade my Iphone 7?  Will it simply reject the most recent update 
or install a previous update it can handle and that will still allow instapot 
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Upgrading Iphone 7

[doug parisian]

I am currently using an Iphone 8 and will likely update to the most 
recent IO 14.5.1.  I also have a retired Iphone 7 and I'm hoping that, 
if i attempt to upgrade, it will NOT upgrade to the latest IO; I have 
the smart cooker app for the instapot and i know instapot are too 
morally bankrupt to continue supporting blind customers with their 
accessible app.  So, what will happen if I attempt to upgrade my Iphone 
7?  Will it simply reject the most recent update or install a previous 
update it can handle and that will still allow instapot to work?


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RE: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

That could very well be the case.  The odd thing is that I had this situation 
way back when and it went away when I updated to IOS 10.  It has been fine ever 
since until the update to IOS 14.4.  I had been on IOS 13.7 before that upgrade.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

I worked with several people who accidentally labeled something and then 
couldn't figure out why it was saying something odd.
You may not have done that, but then again, I do not know how else the page 
icon would be named something else.
One client I had actually did this more than once. They had accidentally opened 
the label field when they meant to do a search, and so whatever they were 
searching for became the label of something else"

Richard


Software means never having to say you're finished



On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Wow, thank you so much!  That fixed it.  I wonder where that came from in the 
first place, but at least it’s gone now.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Hello,

This sounds like a problem I had when first I updated to IOS 14. Try this and 
see if it helps.

1. On your home screen, flick to the page indicator item, the one that says "1 
of 5" or whatever suits your situation.

2. Do a two-finger double tap and hold. You hold it while your hear 3 beeps and 
then another sound. This is the "label item" gesture.

3. Check the edit field that comes up. In my case, it contained the word 
"contact" when it should not have had any value.

4. If there is something in the edit field, then delete it and key in one space 
into the edit field. Then save it. This fixed my problem.

5. If that edit field comes up blank, then this is not the problem you are 
having and you can just cancel out of the label item operation.

Good luck.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, Donna.  However, I am still having the same issue.

Unless I am doing something wrong, “describe images” seems to be associated 
with whatever app your finger is on when you turn the rotor to it.

My issue is not specific to an app, but rather the different areas of the 
screen, e.g. the status bar, the main body of the screen, and the doc.

Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Pam,

Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.

Donna




Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Richard Turner]

I worked with several people who accidentally labeled something and then 
couldn't figure out why it was saying something odd.
You may not have done that, but then again, I do not know how else the page 
icon would be named something else.
One client I had actually did this more than once. They had accidentally opened 
the label field when they meant to do a search, and so whatever they were 
searching for became the label of something else"


Richard


Software means never having to say you're finished


On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
 wrote:


Wow, thank you so much!  That fixed it.  I wonder where that came from in the 
first place, but at least it’s gone now.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Hello,

This sounds like a problem I had when first I updated to IOS 14. Try this and 
see if it helps.

1. On your home screen, flick to the page indicator item, the one that says "1 
of 5" or whatever suits your situation.

2. Do a two-finger double tap and hold. You hold it while your hear 3 beeps and 
then another sound. This is the "label item" gesture.

3. Check the edit field that comes up. In my case, it contained the word 
"contact" when it should not have had any value.

4. If there is something in the edit field, then delete it and key in one space 
into the edit field. Then save it. This fixed my problem.

5. If that edit field comes up blank, then this is not the problem you are 
having and you can just cancel out of the label item operation.

Good luck.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, Donna.  However, I am still having the same issue.

Unless I am doing something wrong, “describe images” seems to be associated 
with whatever app your finger is on when you turn the rotor to it.

My issue is not specific to an app, but rather the different areas of the 
screen, e.g. the status bar, the main body of the screen, and the doc.

Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Pam,

Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.

Donna




Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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RE: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Wow, thank you so much!  That fixed it.  I wonder where that came from in the 
first place, but at least it’s gone now.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Hello,

This sounds like a problem I had when first I updated to IOS 14. Try this and 
see if it helps.

1. On your home screen, flick to the page indicator item, the one that says "1 
of 5" or whatever suits your situation.

2. Do a two-finger double tap and hold. You hold it while your hear 3 beeps and 
then another sound. This is the "label item" gesture.

3. Check the edit field that comes up. In my case, it contained the word 
"contact" when it should not have had any value.

4. If there is something in the edit field, then delete it and key in one space 
into the edit field. Then save it. This fixed my problem.

5. If that edit field comes up blank, then this is not the problem you are 
having and you can just cancel out of the label item operation.

Good luck.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, Donna.  However, I am still having the same issue.

Unless I am doing something wrong, “describe images” seems to be associated 
with whatever app your finger is on when you turn the rotor to it.

My issue is not specific to an app, but rather the different areas of the 
screen, e.g. the status bar, the main body of the screen, and the doc.

Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Pam,

Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.

Donna




Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Dave Clement]

Hello, 

This sounds like a problem I had when first I updated to IOS 14. Try this and 
see if it helps. 

1. On your home screen, flick to the page indicator item, the one that says "1 
of 5" or whatever suits your situation.

2. Do a two-finger double tap and hold. You hold it while your hear 3 beeps and 
then another sound. This is the "label item" gesture. 

3. Check the edit field that comes up. In my case, it contained the word 
"contact" when it should not have had any value. 

4. If there is something in the edit field, then delete it and key in one space 
into the edit field. Then save it. This fixed my problem. 

5. If that edit field comes up blank, then this is not the problem you are 
having and you can just cancel out of the label item operation. 

Good luck.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
 wrote:


Thanks for the suggestion, Donna.  However, I am still having the same issue.
 
Unless I am doing something wrong, “describe images” seems to be associated 
with whatever app your finger is on when you turn the rotor to it.
 
My issue is not specific to an app, but rather the different areas of the 
screen, e.g. the status bar, the main body of the screen, and the doc.
 
Pam
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad
 
Pam,
 
Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.
 
Donna
 
 
 

Hi All,
 
I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.
 
I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.
 
I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.
 
Pam  
 
 
 
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RE: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Thanks for the suggestion, Donna.  However, I am still having the same issue.

Unless I am doing something wrong, “describe images” seems to be associated 
with whatever app your finger is on when you turn the rotor to it.

My issue is not specific to an app, but rather the different areas of the 
screen, e.g. the status bar, the main body of the screen, and the doc.

Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Pam,

Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.

Donna




Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Donna Casteen]

Pam,

Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.

Donna


> 
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, 
> when I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status 
> bar, the main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” 
> before saying anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my 
> iPhone, but it is not on my iPad.
>  
> I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed 
> when I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.
>  
> I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a 
> call to Apple accessibility.
>  
> Pam  
>  
>  
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Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word "cooking" before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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Re: upgrading an iPhone with an Apple Watch in Play?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

You can handle this one of two ways. One is to unpair your watch from your 
current phone and back up the phone before you pair wtih the new one. Then you 
pair the watch with the new phone and choose to restore from the most recent 
backup.

The other is if your watch is still paired with your current phone and you 
choose to use that phone to set up your new one, my understanding is that you 
are asked if you want to change which phone the watch is paired with. If you 
choose to do that, the watch should be paired with the new phone automatically. 
I have never used that method, but I would imagine it works. I know from 
personal experience that the first method works.

Best,
Anna


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> If you restore from backup, your watch will come in that backup, and you just 
> have to allow it to pair with new device and your good
> 
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> 
>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Robin Frost > <mailto:robin...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just got a new Apple watch a few weeks ago and successfully got it up and 
>> running and paired with my current phone. However, my new iPhone will arrive 
>> on Friday and I've looked everywhere but can't find a succinct description 
>> of the process one should use when upgrading now that a watch is in the mix.
>> 
>> I.E. do you need to unpair the watch with current phone before setting up 
>> new phone? And does it need to be paired with new phone whether you set up 
>> phone as new or restore from a backup? I looked in Anna's book for reference 
>> but didn't spot anything about this nor did googling shed much light. So I 
>> thank anyone for any pointers as this is new territory for me and perhaps 
>> others as well.
>> 
>> Take good care.
>> 
>> Robin
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Re: upgrading an iPhone with an Apple Watch in Play?

['Kliph' via VIPhone]

If you restore from backup, your watch will come in that backup, and you just 
have to allow it to pair with new device and your good

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> On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Robin Frost  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just got a new Apple watch a few weeks ago and successfully got it up and 
> running and paired with my current phone. However, my new iPhone will arrive 
> on Friday and I've looked everywhere but can't find a succinct description of 
> the process one should use when upgrading now that a watch is in the mix.
> 
> I.E. do you need to unpair the watch with current phone before setting up new 
> phone? And does it need to be paired with new phone whether you set up phone 
> as new or restore from a backup? I looked in Anna's book for reference but 
> didn't spot anything about this nor did googling shed much light. So I thank 
> anyone for any pointers as this is new territory for me and perhaps others as 
> well.
> 
> Take good care.
> 
> Robin
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upgrading an iPhone with an Apple Watch in Play?

[Robin Frost]

Hi,

I just got a new Apple watch a few weeks ago and successfully got it up 
and running and paired with my current phone. However, my new iPhone 
will arrive on Friday and I've looked everywhere but can't find a 
succinct description of the process one should use when upgrading now 
that a watch is in the mix.


I.E. do you need to unpair the watch with current phone before setting 
up new phone? And does it need to be paired with new phone whether you 
set up phone as new or restore from a backup? I looked in Anna's book 
for reference but didn't spot anything about this nor did googling shed 
much light. So I thank anyone for any pointers as this is new territory 
for me and perhaps others as well.


Take good care.

Robin

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Re: After Upgrading to 14.2, No Contacts

[Kathy Brandt]

It might yet work: do an iCloud back up before you update, then go to iCloud 
settings, turn off contacts, perhaps restart your device, turn contacts back 
on, and see what happens. That’s what I have to do sometimes when I change a 
contact on one device and somehow it doesn’t transfer over to the other.

> On Nov 9, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I might just skip 14.2. I have over 200 contacts. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 4:33 PM
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> Subject: Re: After Upgrading to 14.2, No Contacts
> 
> Okay, I figured it out. In case it happens to somebody else, you have to go 
> into the groups section, into icloud, and tap show contacts. This is stupid, 
> why should it do such a thing! I definitely was in panic mode when I sent 
> that first message. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20
> 
> On Nov 9, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> After upgrading from 13.7 to 14.2, my favorites are there, but my contacts 
> are not. I think I remember reading messages about this, but I can't find it 
> in the archives. I backed up my phone to icloud just before upgrading, so 
> they are in icloud somewhere. What do I do. Thanks for any information. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
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RE: After Upgrading to 14.2, No Contacts

[Carolyn]

I might just skip 14.2. I have over 200 contacts. 

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Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 4:33 PM
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Subject: Re: After Upgrading to 14.2, No Contacts

Okay, I figured it out. In case it happens to somebody else, you have to go 
into the groups section, into icloud, and tap show contacts. This is stupid, 
why should it do such a thing! I definitely was in panic mode when I sent that 
first message. 

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 9, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

After upgrading from 13.7 to 14.2, my favorites are there, but my contacts are 
not. I think I remember reading messages about this, but I can't find it in the 
archives. I backed up my phone to icloud just before upgrading, so they are in 
icloud somewhere. What do I do. Thanks for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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Re: After Upgrading to 14.2, No Contacts

[Arnold Schmidt]

Okay, I figured it out. In case it happens to somebody else, you have to go 
into the groups section, into icloud, and tap show contacts. This is stupid, 
why should it do such a thing! I definitely was in panic mode when I sent that 
first message. 

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Nov 9, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

After upgrading from 13.7 to 14.2, my favorites are there, but my contacts are 
not. I think I remember reading messages about this, but I can't find it in the 
archives. I backed up my phone to icloud just before upgrading, so they are in 
icloud somewhere. What do I do. Thanks for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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RE: After Upgrading to 14.2, No Contacts

[Simon A Fogarty]

I still have my contacts through the contacts tab within the phone app,

Have you checked there also?

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Schmidt
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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After upgrading from 13.7 to 14.2, my favorites are there, but my contacts are 
not. I think I remember reading messages about this, but I can't find it in the 
archives. I backed up my phone to icloud just before upgrading, so they are in 
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Arnold Schmidt 

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After Upgrading to 14.2, No Contacts

[Arnold Schmidt]

After upgrading from 13.7 to 14.2, my favorites are there, but my contacts are 
not. I think I remember reading messages about this, but I can't find it in the 
archives. I backed up my phone to icloud just before upgrading, so they are in 
icloud somewhere. What do I do. Thanks for any information. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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Re: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

[Andy Baracco]

I have noticed this after updating to 14.2 especially in the uber Eats app 
when searching.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Alison May" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated 
text



I have this issue too sometimes but it started before upgrading and is 
intermittent.  This is when dictating a text within Messages


Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
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On 7 Nov 2020, at 10:55 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi richard,
No, if I use Siri, the stuff gets read back. But if I am in the Messages 
app, responding to a message, and double tap the dictate button and then 
dictate, and then do another double tap, much of the time, nothing is read 
back although the text is entered.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


Hi Mary,
Are you talking about starting with Hey Siri, send a text to ... if so, 
check your Siri settings under Siri Responses and make sure they are all 
turned on.

Mine works fine.
If I start a message with the compose button and use the 2 finger double 
tap to start dictation, VoiceOver reads back what I dictate.




Richard
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Mary Otten

Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 12:29 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated 
text


This relates specifically to text messages. I use dictation a lot, but 
since I upgraded to 14.2, I have noticed that often, but not every time, 
texts that I dictate in the messages app or not automatically read back. 
Has anyone else been experiencing this



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Re: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

[Beth G]

Hi,

I had this issue to when using the dictate button in a text message. Voiceover 
starts to read the first word or so and then stops. Has been happening for a 
while, not new since iOS 14. Annoying.

Thanks,

Beth

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Alison May  wrote:
> 
> I have this issue too sometimes but it started before upgrading and is 
> intermittent.  This is when dictating a text within Messages
> 
> Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
> 0777 315 8181
> 
>> On 7 Nov 2020, at 10:55 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi richard,
>> No, if I use Siri, the stuff gets read back. But if I am in the Messages 
>> app, responding to a message, and double tap the dictate button and then 
>> dictate, and then do another double tap, much of the time, nothing is read 
>> back although the text is entered.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> Are you talking about starting with Hey Siri, send a text to ... if so, 
>>> check your Siri settings under Siri Responses and make sure they are all 
>>> turned on.
>>> Mine works fine.
>>> If I start a message with the compose button and use the 2 finger double 
>>> tap to start dictation, VoiceOver reads back what I dictate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>>> Edward Herbert
>>> 
>>> Live long and prosper  
>>> 
>>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 12:29 PM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text
>>> 
>>> This relates specifically to text messages. I use dictation a lot, but 
>>> since I upgraded to 14.2, I have noticed that often, but not every time, 
>>> texts that I dictate in the messages app or not automatically read back. 
>>> Has anyone else been experiencing this
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

[Fazil]

For me, it does.
Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alison 
May
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

I have this issue too sometimes but it started before upgrading and is 
intermittent.  This is when dictating a text within Messages

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
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> On 7 Nov 2020, at 10:55 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi richard,
> No, if I use Siri, the stuff gets read back. But if I am in the Messages app, 
> responding to a message, and double tap the dictate button and then dictate, 
> and then do another double tap, much of the time, nothing is read back 
> although the text is entered.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> Are you talking about starting with Hey Siri, send a text to ... if so, 
>> check your Siri settings under Siri Responses and make sure they are all 
>> turned on.
>> Mine works fine.
>> If I start a message with the compose button and use the 2 finger double tap 
>> to start dictation, VoiceOver reads back what I dictate.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> Live long and prosper  
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 12:29 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text
>> 
>> This relates specifically to text messages. I use dictation a lot, but since 
>> I upgraded to 14.2, I have noticed that often, but not every time, texts 
>> that I dictate in the messages app or not automatically read back. Has 
>> anyone else been experiencing this
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

[Alison May]

I have this issue too sometimes but it started before upgrading and is 
intermittent.  This is when dictating a text within Messages

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

> On 7 Nov 2020, at 10:55 pm, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi richard,
> No, if I use Siri, the stuff gets read back. But if I am in the Messages app, 
> responding to a message, and double tap the dictate button and then dictate, 
> and then do another double tap, much of the time, nothing is read back 
> although the text is entered.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> Are you talking about starting with Hey Siri, send a text to ... if so, 
>> check your Siri settings under Siri Responses and make sure they are all 
>> turned on.
>> Mine works fine.
>> If I start a message with the compose button and use the 2 finger double tap 
>> to start dictation, VoiceOver reads back what I dictate.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> Live long and prosper  
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 12:29 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text
>> 
>> This relates specifically to text messages. I use dictation a lot, but since 
>> I upgraded to 14.2, I have noticed that often, but not every time, texts 
>> that I dictate in the messages app or not automatically read back. Has 
>> anyone else been experiencing this
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
No, if I use Siri, the stuff gets read back. But if I am in the Messages app, 
responding to a message, and double tap the dictate button and then dictate, 
and then do another double tap, much of the time, nothing is read back although 
the text is entered.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> Are you talking about starting with Hey Siri, send a text to ... if so, check 
> your Siri settings under Siri Responses and make sure they are all turned on.
> Mine works fine.
> If I start a message with the compose button and use the 2 finger double tap 
> to start dictation, VoiceOver reads back what I dictate.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> Live long and prosper  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 12:29 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text
> 
> This relates specifically to text messages. I use dictation a lot, but since 
> I upgraded to 14.2, I have noticed that often, but not every time, texts that 
> I dictate in the messages app or not automatically read back. Has anyone else 
> been experiencing this
> 
> 
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RE: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

[Richard Turner]

Hi Mary,
Are you talking about starting with Hey Siri, send a text to ... if so, check 
your Siri settings under Siri Responses and make sure they are all turned on.
Mine works fine.
If I start a message with the compose button and use the 2 finger double tap to 
start dictation, VoiceOver reads back what I dictate.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

Live long and prosper  

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 12:29 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

This relates specifically to text messages. I use dictation a lot, but since I 
upgraded to 14.2, I have noticed that often, but not every time, texts that I 
dictate in the messages app or not automatically read back. Has anyone else 
been experiencing this


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Since upgrading, voiceover often does not read back dictated text

[Mary Otten]

This relates specifically to text messages. I use dictation a lot, but since I 
upgraded to 14.2, I have noticed that often, but not every time, texts that I 
dictate in the messages app or not automatically read back. Has anyone else 
been experiencing this


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VoiceOver Switched to British English After Upgrading to 14.1

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

VoiceOver in My iPhone8 has switched to British English after upgrading to
14.1. I want it back to US-English. How can I do that, please?

Thanks!

 

 

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vo now saying end of text when typeing in hangouts since upgrading to latest update.

[Mich Verrier]

Hi all when I am typing in google hangouts vo is now saying end of text when
I am composing a message to people this only sarted after the newest update
has any one elts found this? It is annoying and I am wondering how I can get
this to stop? From Mich.

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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Richard Turner]

Well. Let's see:
1. The operating system is the same.
2. The brand is the same.
3., The devices are different.
Logically, at least logic to me, the device is handling the signal differently.


Even if the brands are different, the devices are different.
I have two bluetooth speakers, neither of which behave the way yours do.
Mine are far from high-end, but work great.
Richard
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On Nov 24, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:



Hi,
Maybe so, but why is it that the Bose headsets all behave as they should, and 
why is this issue only impacting speakers and speaker hybrids (SoundWear)? it’s 
just so weird.

On 23 Nov 2019, at 16:26, Albert Ruel wrote:

Richard, I tend to agree with you.  My iHome iGT372 used to work well with all 
sounds coming through it from my iPhone XR, however since iOS 13 only recorded 
sounds and Siri come through the speaker with all Voice Over sounds continuing 
to come out of the iPhone’s speaker/earbuds.  When I connected the iPhone to my 
Google Home speaker all sounds came out of the Google speaker, which tells me 
that the iPhone is likely functioning correctly and that there’s something 
iHome hasn’t done to keep up with the iOS 13 update.  I’ve checked in with 
iHome Support to see if they have a firmware update for that speaker.

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

 I'm still not convinced it is an Apple problem.
There has to be something different those other speakers are doing with there 
interaction with the device.
Airplay did that, but I don't have a working Airplay device to test right now.
None of my bluetooth devices do this' everything comes through the bluetooth.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 23, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Christina  wrote:

 Yes, I’ve heard that this so called “feature” or bug is only for a few select 
speakers. I honestly wish I could find more definitive information about this 
instead of hearsay  because I’d like to purchase  and use a bluetooth speaker 
that’s portable and doesn’t require a WIFI connection in order to keep VO with 
my phone and only my music, book, or TV show going to the speaker. My current 
setup isn’t exactly portable and WIFI is required if I want VO to stay with my 
device. The problem though is that it could be a bug instead of a feature and 
there is no way to know for sure just yet. It seems that some people like this 
and some people don’t. So, it’s hard to say. ☺️

Christina
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 22, 2019, at 11:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


I have that send to HDMI turned off which I believe is the default, but the two 
Bluetooth speakers I have both receive all audio, Voiceover and system sounds.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Hi Alan,

I have a few thoughts and ideas. I do have a question though. When VO goes to 
your phone instead of through the speaker, is it only going to the ear speaker 
where you can barely hear VO? Or is the sound just fine? I actually heard about 
this some time ago and I was under  the impression that it was actually a new 
feature for a few speakers. I personally prefer VO to stay with my phone and 
for only the music to come out of the speakers, like when I use airPlay. That 
is my personal preference. I don’t like VO interupting my music. That is just a 
personal preference. I can understand that others prefer VO to go  through the 
connected speaker. ☺️ So here’s an idea I heard about. I heard there is a 
setting under accessibility, voice over, audio, send to HDMI. I heard if you 
want VO to stay with the phone to make sure that is set to off. However in your 
case, maybe try setting it to on. I don’t know. Also, you should unpair the 
speaker, change the setting, then re-pair the speaker to your phone. I don’t 
know if this will help at all , but maybe it’s worth a try. Also, I have a 
friend who recently used a Bose Revolve and she was quite pleased to have VO 
stay with her phone because she didn’t have to interrupt the music to do things 
on her phone. Everyone in the room could enjoy the music and she retained the 
ability to do what she needed to on her iPhone.

HTH and best of luck,
Christina

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Hello List,

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the followin

Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Moop Curran]

Hi,
Maybe so, but why is it that the Bose headsets all behave as they 
should, and why is this issue only impacting speakers and speaker 
hybrids (SoundWear)?  it’s just so weird.


On 23 Nov 2019, at 16:26, Albert Ruel wrote:

Richard, I tend to agree with you.  My iHome iGT372 used to work well 
with all sounds coming through it from my iPhone XR, however since iOS 
13 only recorded sounds and Siri come through the speaker with all 
Voice Over sounds continuing to come out of the iPhone’s 
speaker/earbuds.  When I connected the iPhone to my Google Home 
speaker all sounds came out of the Google speaker, which tells me that 
the iPhone is likely functioning correctly and that there’s 
something iHome hasn’t done to keep up with the iOS 13 update.  
I’ve checked in with iHome Support to see if they have a firmware 
update for that speaker.


Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:




 I'm still not convinced it is an Apple problem.
There has to be something different those other speakers are doing 
with there interaction with the device.
Airplay did that, but I don't have a working Airplay device to test 
right now.
None of my bluetooth devices do this' everything comes through the 
bluetooth.





Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by 
Jane Wagner



On Nov 23, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Christina  
wrote:


 Yes, I’ve heard that this so called “feature” or bug is 
only for a few select speakers. I honestly wish I could find more 
definitive information about this instead of hearsay  because I’d 
like to purchase  and use a bluetooth speaker that’s portable and 
doesn’t require a WIFI connection in order to keep VO with my phone 
and only my music, book, or TV show going to the speaker. My current 
setup isn’t exactly portable and WIFI is required if I want VO to 
stay with my device. The problem though is that it could be a bug 
instead of a feature and there is no way to know for sure just yet. 
It seems that some people like this and some people don’t. So, 
it’s hard to say. ☺️


Christina
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 22, 2019, at 11:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  
wrote:



I have that send to HDMI turned off which I believe is the default, 
but the two Bluetooth speakers I have both receive all audio, 
Voiceover and system sounds.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Christina

Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming 
out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to 
iOS 13.2


Hi Alan,

I have a few thoughts and ideas. I do have a question though. When 
VO goes to your phone instead of through the speaker, is it only 
going to the ear speaker where you can barely hear VO? Or is the 
sound just fine? I actually heard about this some time ago and I was 
under  the impression that it was actually a new feature for a few 
speakers. I personally prefer VO to stay with my phone and for only 
the music to come out of the speakers, like when I use airPlay. That 
is my personal preference. I don’t like VO interupting my music. 
That is just a personal preference. I can understand that others 
prefer VO to go  through the connected speaker. ☺️ So here’s 
an idea I heard about. I heard there is a setting under 
accessibility, voice over, audio, send to HDMI. I heard if you want 
VO to stay with the phone to make sure that is set to off. However 
in your case, maybe try setting it to on. I don’t know. Also, you 
should unpair the speaker, change the setting, then re-pair the 
speaker to your phone. I don’t know if this will help at all , but 
maybe it’s worth a try. Also, I have a friend who recently used a 
Bose Revolve and she was quite pleased to have VO stay with her 
phone because she didn’t have to interrupt the music to do things 
on her phone. Everyone in the room could enjoy the music and she 
retained the ability to do what she needed to on her iPhone.


HTH and best of luck,
Christina

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:


Hello List,

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming 
out of the phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini 
Soundlink Bluetooth speaker and received the following reply:


Hello Alan

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are 
experiencing. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know 
that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment 
on when it may be resolved.


Have a great day,
Apple Accessibility
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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Albert Ruel]

Richard, I tend to agree with you.  My iHome iGT372 used to work well with all 
sounds coming through it from my iPhone XR, however since iOS 13 only recorded 
sounds and Siri come through the speaker with all Voice Over sounds continuing 
to come out of the iPhone’s speaker/earbuds.  When I connected the iPhone to my 
Google Home speaker all sounds came out of the Google speaker, which tells me 
that the iPhone is likely functioning correctly and that there’s something 
iHome hasn’t done to keep up with the iOS 13 update.  I’ve checked in with 
iHome Support to see if they have a firmware update for that speaker.  

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 

 I'm still not convinced it is an Apple problem.
There has to be something different those other speakers are doing with there 
interaction with the device.
Airplay did that, but I don't have a working Airplay device to test right now.
None of my bluetooth devices do this' everything comes through the bluetooth.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Christina  wrote:
>> 
>  Yes, I’ve heard that this so called “feature” or bug is only for a few 
> select speakers. I honestly wish I could find more definitive information 
> about this instead of hearsay  because I’d like to purchase  and use a 
> bluetooth speaker that’s portable and doesn’t require a WIFI connection in 
> order to keep VO with my phone and only my music, book, or TV show going to 
> the speaker. My current setup isn’t exactly portable and WIFI is required if 
> I want VO to stay with my device. The problem though is that it could be a 
> bug instead of a feature and there is no way to know for sure just yet. It 
> seems that some people like this and some people don’t. So, it’s hard to say. 
> ☺️ 
> 
> Christina
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 11:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have that send to HDMI turned off which I believe is the default, but the 
>> two Bluetooth speakers I have both receive all audio, Voiceover and system 
>> sounds.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Christina
>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 3:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of 
>> my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
>>  
>> Hi Alan,
>>  
>> I have a few thoughts and ideas. I do have a question though. When VO goes 
>> to your phone instead of through the speaker, is it only going to the ear 
>> speaker where you can barely hear VO? Or is the sound just fine? I actually 
>> heard about this some time ago and I was under  the impression that it was 
>> actually a new feature for a few speakers. I personally prefer VO to stay 
>> with my phone and for only the music to come out of the speakers, like when 
>> I use airPlay. That is my personal preference. I don’t like VO interupting 
>> my music. That is just a personal preference. I can understand that others 
>> prefer VO to go  through the connected speaker. ☺️ So here’s an idea I heard 
>> about. I heard there is a setting under accessibility, voice over, audio, 
>> send to HDMI. I heard if you want VO to stay with the phone to make sure 
>> that is set to off. However in your case, maybe try setting it to on. I 
>> don’t know. Also, you should unpair the speaker, change the setting, then 
>> re-pair the speaker to your phone. I don’t know if this will help at all , 
>> but maybe it’s worth a try. Also, I have a friend who recently used a Bose 
>> Revolve and she was quite pleased to have VO stay with her phone because she 
>> didn’t have to interrupt the music to do things on her phone. Everyone in 
>> the room could enjoy the music and she retained the ability to do what she 
>> needed to on her iPhone.
>>  
>> HTH and best of luck,
>> Christina
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello List,
>>  
>> I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of 
>> the phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
>> speaker and received the following reply:
>>  
>> Hello Alan
>>  
>> Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. 
>> We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is 
>> currently inves

Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Richard Turner]

I'm still not convinced it is an Apple problem.
There has to be something different those other speakers are doing with there 
interaction with the device.
Airplay did that, but I don't have a working Airplay device to test right now.
None of my bluetooth devices do this' everything comes through the bluetooth.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Nov 23, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Christina  wrote:

 Yes, I’ve heard that this so called “feature” or bug is only for a few select 
speakers. I honestly wish I could find more definitive information about this 
instead of hearsay  because I’d like to purchase  and use a bluetooth speaker 
that’s portable and doesn’t require a WIFI connection in order to keep VO with 
my phone and only my music, book, or TV show going to the speaker. My current 
setup isn’t exactly portable and WIFI is required if I want VO to stay with my 
device. The problem though is that it could be a bug instead of a feature and 
there is no way to know for sure just yet. It seems that some people like this 
and some people don’t. So, it’s hard to say. ☺️

Christina
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 22, 2019, at 11:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


I have that send to HDMI turned off which I believe is the default, but the two 
Bluetooth speakers I have both receive all audio, Voiceover and system sounds.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Hi Alan,

I have a few thoughts and ideas. I do have a question though. When VO goes to 
your phone instead of through the speaker, is it only going to the ear speaker 
where you can barely hear VO? Or is the sound just fine? I actually heard about 
this some time ago and I was under  the impression that it was actually a new 
feature for a few speakers. I personally prefer VO to stay with my phone and 
for only the music to come out of the speakers, like when I use airPlay. That 
is my personal preference. I don’t like VO interupting my music. That is just a 
personal preference. I can understand that others prefer VO to go  through the 
connected speaker. ☺️ So here’s an idea I heard about. I heard there is a 
setting under accessibility, voice over, audio, send to HDMI. I heard if you 
want VO to stay with the phone to make sure that is set to off. However in your 
case, maybe try setting it to on. I don’t know. Also, you should unpair the 
speaker, change the setting, then re-pair the speaker to your phone. I don’t 
know if this will help at all , but maybe it’s worth a try. Also, I have a 
friend who recently used a Bose Revolve and she was quite pleased to have VO 
stay with her phone because she didn’t have to interrupt the music to do things 
on her phone. Everyone in the room could enjoy the music and she retained the 
ability to do what she needed to on her iPhone.

HTH and best of luck,
Christina

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Hello List,

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

Hello Alan

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

Have a great day,
Apple Accessibility
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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Christina]

Yes, I’ve heard that this so called “feature” or bug is only for a few select 
speakers. I honestly wish I could find more definitive information about this 
instead of hearsay  because I’d like to purchase  and use a bluetooth speaker 
that’s portable and doesn’t require a WIFI connection in order to keep VO with 
my phone and only my music, book, or TV show going to the speaker. My current 
setup isn’t exactly portable and WIFI is required if I want VO to stay with my 
device. The problem though is that it could be a bug instead of a feature and 
there is no way to know for sure just yet. It seems that some people like this 
and some people don’t. So, it’s hard to say. ☺️ 

Christina
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2019, at 11:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have that send to HDMI turned off which I believe is the default, but the 
> two Bluetooth speakers I have both receive all audio, Voiceover and system 
> sounds.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Christina
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 3:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of 
> my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
>  
> Hi Alan,
>  
> I have a few thoughts and ideas. I do have a question though. When VO goes to 
> your phone instead of through the speaker, is it only going to the ear 
> speaker where you can barely hear VO? Or is the sound just fine? I actually 
> heard about this some time ago and I was under  the impression that it was 
> actually a new feature for a few speakers. I personally prefer VO to stay 
> with my phone and for only the music to come out of the speakers, like when I 
> use airPlay. That is my personal preference. I don’t like VO interupting my 
> music. That is just a personal preference. I can understand that others 
> prefer VO to go  through the connected speaker. ☺️ So here’s an idea I heard 
> about. I heard there is a setting under accessibility, voice over, audio, 
> send to HDMI. I heard if you want VO to stay with the phone to make sure that 
> is set to off. However in your case, maybe try setting it to on. I don’t 
> know. Also, you should unpair the speaker, change the setting, then re-pair 
> the speaker to your phone. I don’t know if this will help at all , but maybe 
> it’s worth a try. Also, I have a friend who recently used a Bose Revolve and 
> she was quite pleased to have VO stay with her phone because she didn’t have 
> to interrupt the music to do things on her phone. Everyone in the room could 
> enjoy the music and she retained the ability to do what she needed to on her 
> iPhone.
>  
> HTH and best of luck,
> Christina
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
> phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
> speaker and received the following reply:
>  
> Hello Alan
>  
> Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. 
> We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
> investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.
>  
> Have a great day,
> Apple Accessibility
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RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have that send to HDMI turned off which I believe is the default, but the two 
Bluetooth speakers I have both receive all audio, Voiceover and system sounds.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Hi Alan,

I have a few thoughts and ideas. I do have a question though. When VO goes to 
your phone instead of through the speaker, is it only going to the ear speaker 
where you can barely hear VO? Or is the sound just fine? I actually heard about 
this some time ago and I was under  the impression that it was actually a new 
feature for a few speakers. I personally prefer VO to stay with my phone and 
for only the music to come out of the speakers, like when I use airPlay. That 
is my personal preference. I don’t like VO interupting my music. That is just a 
personal preference. I can understand that others prefer VO to go  through the 
connected speaker. ☺️ So here’s an idea I heard about. I heard there is a 
setting under accessibility, voice over, audio, send to HDMI. I heard if you 
want VO to stay with the phone to make sure that is set to off. However in your 
case, maybe try setting it to on. I don’t know. Also, you should unpair the 
speaker, change the setting, then re-pair the speaker to your phone. I don’t 
know if this will help at all , but maybe it’s worth a try. Also, I have a 
friend who recently used a Bose Revolve and she was quite pleased to have VO 
stay with her phone because she didn’t have to interrupt the music to do things 
on her phone. Everyone in the room could enjoy the music and she retained the 
ability to do what she needed to on her iPhone.

HTH and best of luck,
Christina

Sent from my iPhone


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I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
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speaker and received the following reply:

Hello Alan

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

Have a great day,
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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Christina]

Hi Alan,

I have a few thoughts and ideas. I do have a question though. When VO goes to 
your phone instead of through the speaker, is it only going to the ear speaker 
where you can barely hear VO? Or is the sound just fine? I actually heard about 
this some time ago and I was under  the impression that it was actually a new 
feature for a few speakers. I personally prefer VO to stay with my phone and 
for only the music to come out of the speakers, like when I use airPlay. That 
is my personal preference. I don’t like VO interupting my music. That is just a 
personal preference. I can understand that others prefer VO to go  through the 
connected speaker. ☺️ So here’s an idea I heard about. I heard there is a 
setting under accessibility, voice over, audio, send to HDMI. I heard if you 
want VO to stay with the phone to make sure that is set to off. However in your 
case, maybe try setting it to on. I don’t know. Also, you should unpair the 
speaker, change the setting, then re-pair the speaker to your phone. I don’t 
know if this will help at all , but maybe it’s worth a try. Also, I have a 
friend who recently used a Bose Revolve and she was quite pleased to have VO 
stay with her phone because she didn’t have to interrupt the music to do things 
on her phone. Everyone in the room could enjoy the music and she retained the 
ability to do what she needed to on her iPhone.

HTH and best of luck,
Christina

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
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> Hello List,
>  
> I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
> phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
> speaker and received the following reply:
>  
> Hello Alan
>  
> Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. 
> We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
> investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.
>  
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RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Apple has several such standard responses and if they reply that they are aware 
of the issue and that it is being worked on that is better than if they reply 
that they cannot reproduce the issue.
I received the same reply when I send a message about the American female SIRI 
voice mispronouncing a number of words.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

What about calling them for help and get screen share? 

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Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.
 
From: Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com>  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
 

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

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RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Carolyn]

What about calling them for help and get screen share? 

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Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.
 
From: Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com>  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
 

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Denise Barajas]

I have the very same thing happen to me with all apps, but audio. Even iPhone 
sounds play through my phone. I've been sending log after log to Apple. 
Strangely, this behavior switched on me when using Pandora. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 14:28, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Davy,
>  
> Well, at least my message communicated that Apple Accessibility is aware of 
> the issue whereas yours communicated that you are capable of a snarky reply 
> with no further information.
>  
> Alan
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of 
> my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
>  
> Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all 
> but then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.
>  
> From: Alan Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
> To: 'VIPhone Email List'
> Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
> Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
>  
> Hello List,
>  
> I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
> phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
> speaker and received the following reply:
>  
> Hello Alan
>  
> Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. 
> We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
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RE: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Alan Lemly]

Davy,

 

Well, at least my message communicated that Apple Accessibility is aware of the 
issue whereas yours communicated that you are capable of a snarky reply with no 
further information.

 

Alan

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

 

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.

 

From: Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM

To: 'VIPhone Email List' <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

 

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Kathy Brandt]

Yes, that’s the same response I got when reporting the mail app issues. I 
haven’t actually updated, but wanted to lend my support,, since I want to see 
this resolved.

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Gordon  wrote:
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> Yes that's a generic response I've seen copied and pasted many times by 
> Apple, however this stuff does get fixed much faster than it would if it were 
> Google. So they do listen and work on this stuff.  
> 
>> On 11/21/2019 3:35 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
>> Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all 
>> but then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.
>>  
>> From: Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
>> To: 'VIPhone Email List'
>> Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my 
>> Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2
>>  
>> Hello List,
>>  
>> I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of 
>> the phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
>> speaker and received the following reply:
>>  
>> Hello Alan
>>  
>> Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. 
>> We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is 
>> currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be 
>> resolved.
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>> Have a great day,
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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Gordon]

Yes that's a generic response I've seen copied and pasted many times by 
Apple, however this stuff does get fixed much faster than it would if it 
were Google. So they do listen and work on this stuff.


On 11/21/2019 3:35 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing 
at all but then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.

*From:* Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
*To:* 'VIPhone Email List' <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out 
of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2


Hello List,

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out 
of the phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink 
Bluetooth speaker and received the following reply:


Hello Alan

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are 
experiencing. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know 
that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on 
when it may be resolved.


Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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Re: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Davy Cuppens]

Wow that is a great standard chatbot message that just tells nothing at all but 
then again it is very good and clever you report this bug.

From: Alan Lemly 
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 10:34 PM
To: 'VIPhone Email List' 
Subject: Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose 
Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of the 
phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth 
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing. We 
appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is currently 
investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be resolved.

 

Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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Apple Accessibility reply to Voiceover no longer coming out of my Bose Mini Soundlink 2 bluetooth speaker since upgrading to iOS 13.2

[Alan Lemly]

Hello List,

 

I wrote to Apple Accessibility about the issue of Voiceover coming out of
the phone speakers instead of from a connected Bose Mini Soundlink Bluetooth
speaker and received the following reply:

 

Hello Alan

 

Thank you for your email.  I apologize for the issues you are experiencing.
We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know that Apple is
currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it may be
resolved.

 

Have a great day,

Apple Accessibility

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RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

[Robert Wright]

Settings/sounds and haptech.

**
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
      

From: Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

Ok, please someone remind me where to go to turn off all the key clicks, beeps, 
etc. so the rest of the world does not hear when I am accessing my phone.
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

This is a known issue among those who use hearing aids and also were beta 
testers of 13.2. Let’s hope this is something Apple will fix soon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Earlene 
Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

Hello all,
Thank you Terri for posting your message. I am receiving the same results. 
Voiceover plays in my hearing aids, but, I am not receiving the message sound 
or the email sound on my phone or in my hearing aids. The loss of the message 
sound is definitely a problem. I am going to call Apple. Hopefully Apple will 
create a case for this issue.
-Earlene

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

Hello all,
Since I upgraded yesterday to 13.2, Voiceover stills plays through my hearing 
aids, but all the clicks bumps and beeps do not route through them. Those 
sounds are heard by anyone in the room with me, and the sounds are loud. 
Thoughts?
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth
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RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

[Terri Hedgpeth]

Ok, please someone remind me where to go to turn off all the key clicks, beeps, 
etc. so the rest of the world does not hear when I am accessing my phone.

Best,

Terri Hedgpeth

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

 

This is a known issue among those who use hearing aids and also were beta 
testers of 13.2. Let’s hope this is something Apple will fix soon.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Earlene Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

 

Hello all,

Thank you Terri for posting your message. I am receiving the same results. 
Voiceover plays in my hearing aids, but, I am not receiving the message sound 
or the email sound on my phone or in my hearing aids. The loss of the message 
sound is definitely a problem. I am going to call Apple. Hopefully Apple will 
create a case for this issue.

-Earlene

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

 

Hello all,

Since I upgraded yesterday to 13.2, Voiceover stills plays through my hearing 
aids, but all the clicks bumps and beeps do not route through them. Those 
sounds are heard by anyone in the room with me, and the sounds are loud. 
Thoughts?

Best,

Terri Hedgpeth

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RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

[Sieghard Weitzel]

This is a known issue among those who use hearing aids and also were beta 
testers of 13.2. Let’s hope this is something Apple will fix soon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Earlene 
Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

Hello all,
Thank you Terri for posting your message. I am receiving the same results. 
Voiceover plays in my hearing aids, but, I am not receiving the message sound 
or the email sound on my phone or in my hearing aids. The loss of the message 
sound is definitely a problem. I am going to call Apple. Hopefully Apple will 
create a case for this issue.
-Earlene

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

Hello all,
Since I upgraded yesterday to 13.2, Voiceover stills plays through my hearing 
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sounds are heard by anyone in the room with me, and the sounds are loud. 
Thoughts?
Best,
Terri Hedgpeth
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RE: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

[Earlene Hughes]

Hello all,

Thank you Terri for posting your message. I am receiving the same results. 
Voiceover plays in my hearing aids, but, I am not receiving the message sound 
or the email sound on my phone or in my hearing aids. The loss of the message 
sound is definitely a problem. I am going to call Apple. Hopefully Apple will 
create a case for this issue.

-Earlene

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: After upgrading to 13.2 ...

 

Hello all,

Since I upgraded yesterday to 13.2, Voiceover stills plays through my hearing 
aids, but all the clicks bumps and beeps do not route through them. Those 
sounds are heard by anyone in the room with me, and the sounds are loud. 
Thoughts?

Best,

Terri Hedgpeth

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After upgrading to 13.2 ...

[Terri Hedgpeth]

Hello all,

Since I upgraded yesterday to 13.2, Voiceover stills plays through my
hearing aids, but all the clicks bumps and beeps do not route through them.
Those sounds are heard by anyone in the room with me, and the sounds are
loud. Thoughts?

Best,

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RE: Subscription to A Paid Music Service When Upgrading Itune To The Latest Version?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, it will not automatically subscribe you, it simply means that you can 
access Apple Music with iTunes.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 6:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Subscription to A Paid Music Service When Upgrading Itune To The 
Latest Version?

Hi, list.
Just a quick question: Would I automatically be subscribing to a paid music 
service if I download the latest Itune?
English is not my first language, the reason I am asking this question is that 
when installation of Itune started, the first screen said the following:
“iTunes dialog
Welcome to iTunes iTunes is the easiest way to enjoy your favorite music, 
movies, TV shows, and more on your PC. iTunes now includes Apple Music — a 
revolutionary music service, the all-new Beats 1 live radio station, and an 
exciting new way for fans to connect with their favorite artists. Become a 
member to play from millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog, or keep them 
offline for playback later. Apple Music is joined by the iTunes Store, where 
you can download everything you need to be entertained. Your purchases are 
stored in iCloud and are available on your devices at no additional cost. To 
get started installing iTunes, click Next. 12.9.2.6
Next > Button
To activate press spacebar.
alt+N”
Would I subscribe to this music service if I hit the next button?
Thanks!
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Re: Subscription to A Paid Music Service When Upgrading Itune To The Latest Version?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Fazil,

iTunes gives you the option to subscribe to Apple Music, but you don't have to. 
Once you install and run it, you will be asked if you want to start a free 
trial of Apple Music, and you can say no.

Best,
Anna




> On Dec 12, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, list.
> Just a quick question: Would I automatically be subscribing to a paid music 
> service if I download the latest Itune?
> English is not my first language, the reason I am asking this question is 
> that when installation of Itune started, the first screen said the following:
> “iTunes dialog 
> Welcome to iTunes iTunes is the easiest way to enjoy your favorite music, 
> movies, TV shows, and more on your PC. iTunes now includes Apple Music — a 
> revolutionary music service, the all-new Beats 1 live radio station, and an 
> exciting new way for fans to connect with their favorite artists. Become a 
> member to play from millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog, or keep 
> them offline for playback later. Apple Music is joined by the iTunes Store, 
> where you can download everything you need to be entertained. Your purchases 
> are stored in iCloud and are available on your devices at no additional cost. 
> To get started installing iTunes, click Next. 12.9.2.6 
> Next > Button 
> To activate press spacebar.
> alt+N”
> Would I subscribe to this music service if I hit the next button?
> Thanks!
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Re: Subscription to A Paid Music Service When Upgrading Itune To The Latest Version?

['Simon W' via VIPhone]

no 

From: Fazil M. 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Subscription to A Paid Music Service When Upgrading Itune To The 
Latest Version?

Hi, list.

Just a quick question: Would I automatically be subscribing to a paid music 
service if I download the latest Itune?

English is not my first language, the reason I am asking this question is that 
when installation of Itune started, the first screen said the following:

“iTunes dialog 
Welcome to iTunes iTunes is the easiest way to enjoy your favorite music, 
movies, TV shows, and more on your PC. iTunes now includes Apple Music — a 
revolutionary music service, the all-new Beats 1 live radio station, and an 
exciting new way for fans to connect with their favorite artists. Become a 
member to play from millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog, or keep them 
offline for playback later. Apple Music is joined by the iTunes Store, where 
you can download everything you need to be entertained. Your purchases are 
stored in iCloud and are available on your devices at no additional cost. To 
get started installing iTunes, click Next. 12.9.2.6 
Next > Button 
To activate press spacebar.
alt+N”

Would I subscribe to this music service if I hit the next button?

Thanks!

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Subscription to A Paid Music Service When Upgrading Itune To The Latest Version?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, list.

Just a quick question: Would I automatically be subscribing to a paid music
service if I download the latest Itune?

English is not my first language, the reason I am asking this question is
that when installation of Itune started, the first screen said the
following:

"iTunes dialog 
Welcome to iTunes iTunes is the easiest way to enjoy your favorite music,
movies, TV shows, and more on your PC. iTunes now includes Apple Music - a
revolutionary music service, the all-new Beats 1 live radio station, and an
exciting new way for fans to connect with their favorite artists. Become a
member to play from millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog, or keep
them offline for playback later. Apple Music is joined by the iTunes Store,
where you can download everything you need to be entertained. Your purchases
are stored in iCloud and are available on your devices at no additional
cost. To get started installing iTunes, click Next. 12.9.2.6 
Next > Button 
To activate press spacebar.
alt+N"

Would I subscribe to this music service if I hit the next button?

Thanks!

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Re: iPhone battery replacement, was RE: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Mary Otten]

We were just up at the Best Buy, and they confirmed that some Best Buy’s our 
part of the Apple battery replacement program, including the one that is near 
us. Strangely, the Mac store here in town although it is supposedly an official 
Apple repair partner is not such a facility. And yes you can get your iPhone 7 
or 7+ battery replaced for $29. And the guy said they don’t really check all 
that much, although if it’s really like new, there could be a problem. 
Apparently they’re not too picky about how far do graded your battery is at 
that store.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If Best Buy is officially doing this battery replacement then I doubt it will 
> void any warranty. For most this is a mute point anyways since mostly people 
> who do the battery replacement at this point are people with an iPhone 6/6 
> Plus, 6S/6S Plus or SE.
> The SE was the last one to be released in I think April of 2016 so unless you 
> bought one of these devices brandnew and with Apple Care Plus late in 2016 or 
> some time last year would there still be warranty.
> Even the iPhone 7 if it was bought a month or two after its release in 
> September 2016 would be out of warranty by now even with Apple Care Plus and 
> without Apple Care Plus the 8/8 Plus phones from the fall of 2017 are  now 
> out of warranty.
> Of course if you bought the phone only a year ago chances are you won’t need 
> to have the battery replaced yet and it is my understanding that Apple won’t 
> just replace the battery because you want to, it has to have degraded to a 
> certain point before you qualify.
> Also, keep in mind that unless they extend the program, the $29.99 US ($34.99 
> Canadian) battery replaceme nt program ends on December 31, in just over 2 
> months.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Anthony Vece
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone battery replacement, was RE: Keyboard button to switch 
> languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing
>  
> Will it void the warranty?
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!
> 
> On Oct 28, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> According to what I just read on the web and was also told by the store 
> called simply Mac, Best Buy will do the battery replacement for the same 
> price is Apple four eligible devices.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> I’m not Sieghard, but according to Apple’s info that I could find, the 
> wireless carrier is not participating, you need to deal directly with Apple.
> I would call Apple and make sure your phone is eligible for the battery 
> replacement program and make arrangements through them directly.
> I do not know if Apple Accessibility can help, but I like to start with them, 
> 877-204-3930.
> If not, they can direct you to the right folks, probably the main apple 
> number…
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
>  
> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
> upgrading and iPhone pricing
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
>  
> My wife & I have 2 year old SE iPhones.  If we want to take advantage of the 
> Apple battery replacement program do we just take our phones back to the 
> Verizon store where they were purchased to get the batteries replaced there?  
> Thanks much.
> Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
> Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:01 AM
> Subject: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
> upgrading and iPhone pricing
>  
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I started a new post here since “I am unable to do anything with my iPhone”  
> wasn’t really an appropriate subject any more. Anyhow, here it goes:
>  
> I still have my 6S Plus. My wife has a 6S and for us the keyboard button is 
> where it has always been.
> We are not buying new iPhones for at least a year and quite possible two and 
> here is our reasoning:
> we decided to take advantage of Apple’s battery replacement program so both 
> of our phones have new batteries and especially now with iOS 12 they run 
> great.
> Our 6S generation phones will still get 

RE: iPhone battery replacement, was RE: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If Best Buy is officially doing this battery replacement then I doubt it will 
void any warranty. For most this is a mute point anyways since mostly people 
who do the battery replacement at this point are people with an iPhone 6/6 
Plus, 6S/6S Plus or SE.
The SE was the last one to be released in I think April of 2016 so unless you 
bought one of these devices brandnew and with Apple Care Plus late in 2016 or 
some time last year would there still be warranty.
Even the iPhone 7 if it was bought a month or two after its release in 
September 2016 would be out of warranty by now even with Apple Care Plus and 
without Apple Care Plus the 8/8 Plus phones from the fall of 2017 are now out 
of warranty.
Of course if you bought the phone only a year ago chances are you won’t need to 
have the battery replaced yet and it is my understanding that Apple won’t just 
replace the battery because you want to, it has to have degraded to a certain 
point before you qualify.
Also, keep in mind that unless they extend the program, the $29.99 US ($34.99 
Canadian) battery replaceme nt program ends on December 31, in just over 2 
months.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Vece
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone battery replacement, was RE: Keyboard button to switch 
languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

Will it void the warranty?
Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

On Oct 28, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
According to what I just read on the web and was also told by the store called 
simply Mac, Best Buy will do the battery replacement for the same price is 
Apple four eligible devices.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Mike,
I’m not Sieghard, but according to Apple’s info that I could find, the wireless 
carrier is not participating, you need to deal directly with Apple.
I would call Apple and make sure your phone is eligible for the battery 
replacement program and make arrangements through them directly.
I do not know if Apple Accessibility can help, but I like to start with them, 
877-204-3930.
If not, they can direct you to the right folks, probably the main apple number…

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
upgrading and iPhone pricing

Hi Sieghard,

My wife & I have 2 year old SE iPhones.  If we want to take advantage of the 
Apple battery replacement program do we just take our phones back to the 
Verizon store where they were purchased to get the batteries replaced there?  
Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:01 AM
Subject: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading 
and iPhone pricing

Hi Mary,

I started a new post here since “I am unable to do anything with my iPhone”  
wasn’t really an appropriate subject any more. Anyhow, here it goes:

I still have my 6S Plus. My wife has a 6S and for us the keyboard button is 
where it has always been.
We are not buying new iPhones for at least a year and quite possible two and 
here is our reasoning:
we decided to take advantage of Apple’s battery replacement program so both of 
our phones have new batteries and especially now with iOS 12 they run great.
Our 6S generation phones will still get iOS 13 for sure which means we are good 
for at least 2 more years since iOS 14 won’t come out until the fall of 2020.
Given the high cost of cell phone plans in Canada and the relative lack of 
competition we got lucky since we were able to get on a plan for $49 a month 
which gives us unlimited calling, texting and 6 Gb of data, but we do need our 
own unlocked phones for this. We decided that there are other things in life we 
want to spend our hard-earned money on apart from a new $1,200 or 1,500 cell 
phone every year or two and that is what many of the new phones cost in 
canadian Dollars by the time we add taxes and so on. The top of the line iPhone 
XS Max with 512 Gb of data is in fact $1,999 Canadian, here in British Columbia 
we have 12% taxes so with tax that would be $2,238.88 and that’s not even 
including Apple Care Plus which for the XS and XS Max is another $249.

RE: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I doubt it, pretty sure this has to be done directly at an Apple Store.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
upgrading and iPhone pricing

Hi Sieghard,

My wife & I have 2 year old SE iPhones.  If we want to take advantage of the 
Apple battery replacement program do we just take our phones back to the 
Verizon store where they were purchased to get the batteries replaced there?  
Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:01 AM
Subject: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading 
and iPhone pricing

Hi Mary,

I started a new post here since “I am unable to do anything with my iPhone”  
wasn’t really an appropriate subject any more. Anyhow, here it goes:

I still have my 6S Plus. My wife has a 6S and for us the keyboard button is 
where it has always been.
We are not buying new iPhones for at least a year and quite possible two and 
here is our reasoning:
we decided to take advantage of Apple’s battery replacement program so both of 
our phones have new batteries and especially now with iOS 12 they run great.
Our 6S generation phones will still get iOS 13 for sure which means we are good 
for at least 2 more years since iOS 14 won’t come out until the fall of 2020.
Given the high cost of cell phone plans in Canada and the relative lack of 
competition we got lucky since we were able to get on a plan for $49 a month 
which gives us unlimited calling, texting and 6 Gb of data, but we do need our 
own unlocked phones for this. We decided that there are other things in life we 
want to spend our hard-earned money on apart from a new $1,200 or 1,500 cell 
phone every year or two and that is what many of the new phones cost in 
canadian Dollars by the time we add taxes and so on. The top of the line iPhone 
XS Max with 512 Gb of data is in fact $1,999 Canadian, here in British Columbia 
we have 12% taxes so with tax that would be $2,238.88 and that’s not even 
including Apple Care Plus which for the XS and XS Max is another $249.
Even if we bought the XR with 64GB  that is $1,029 + taxes so approx. $1,152 
with taxes, for the two of us that would be just over $2,300 and with Apple 
Care Plus which for that phone is $199 it would add another $448 including 
taxes, a total bill of $2,750. Then of course we would think that since we 
don’t replace our phones all that often we should probably go for the 128Gb 
model which is only $70 Canadian more, $1,099 instead of $1,029 so add another 
$156 including taxes and we are now at a bit over $2,900. Then we would both 
need new cases, we would of course want to take advantage of wireless charging 
at least on our side tables in the bedroom so we could listen with headset 
while the phone charges, say another $150 in accessories for the two of us and 
we are looking at well over $3,000.
If we wanted to get the XS with 256GB and Apple Care Plus that would mean 
$1,589 Canadian for the phone + $249 for Apple Care Plus, a total of $1,838 and 
with taxes $2,058.
For the two of us that would mean $ 4117.12, again no accessories included.
We both work at my retail store and I could justify my own phone for sure to be 
paid by the business and possibly my wife’s phone could be partially paid by 
the business, but even having that option I just can’t justify a new phone 
after 2 or 3 years. Given the quality of iPhones and the maturity of all the 
high-end phones nowadays there simply is no reason for me why I should not have 
a phone for at least 4 and more likely 5 or 6 years just like a computer. If 
you don’t constantly drop your phone and are just a little careful with it this 
is certainly what many people do, I know several people who are all 
professionals and make good money and that is what they do. If somebody wants 
to pay a lot of money every month to essentially lease their phone and trade it 
in every year that is their business, but anybody who does the math can figure 
out that if you buy your phone for the retail price and sign up for a lower 
cost plan from an MVNO and keep the phone for 5 years you save a lot of money. 
As for features, yes, wireless charging is neat, Face Id to me sounds like a 
good idea since it’s been shown to be more secure and more reliable than Touch 
Id, I personally have no special attachment to the 3.5mm audio jack and the 
better camera and faster processor don’t do much for me in real life and 
day-to-day use of the phone. Take those away and there isn’t much which makes 
me want to have an iPhone 10XR, XS

Re: iPhone battery replacement, was RE: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Anthony Vece]

Will it void the warranty?

Sent from my Verizon iPhone X!!!

> On Oct 28, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> According to what I just read on the web and was also told by the store 
> called simply Mac, Best Buy will do the battery replacement for the same 
> price is Apple four eligible devices.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> I’m not Sieghard, but according to Apple’s info that I could find, the 
>> wireless carrier is not participating, you need to deal directly with Apple.
>> I would call Apple and make sure your phone is eligible for the battery 
>> replacement program and make arrangements through them directly.
>> I do not know if Apple Accessibility can help, but I like to start with 
>> them, 877-204-3930.
>> If not, they can direct you to the right folks, probably the main apple 
>> number…
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
>> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
>> B.
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:27 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
>> upgrading and iPhone pricing
>>  
>> Hi Sieghard,
>>  
>> My wife & I have 2 year old SE iPhones.  If we want to take advantage of the 
>> Apple battery replacement program do we just take our phones back to the 
>> Verizon store where they were purchased to get the batteries replaced there? 
>>  Thanks much.
>> Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
>> Sent from my iBarstool.
>> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
>> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:01 AM
>> Subject: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
>> upgrading and iPhone pricing
>>  
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> I started a new post here since “I am unable to do anything with my iPhone”  
>> wasn’t really an appropriate subject any more. Anyhow, here it goes:
>>  
>> I still have my 6S Plus. My wife has a 6S and for us the keyboard button is 
>> where it has always been.
>> We are not buying new iPhones for at least a year and quite possible two and 
>> here is our reasoning:
>> we decided to take advantage of Apple’s battery replacement program so both 
>> of our phones have new batteries and especially now with iOS 12 they run 
>> great.
>> Our 6S generation phones will still get iOS 13 for sure which means we are 
>> good for at least 2 more years since iOS 14 won’t come out until the fall of 
>> 2020.
>> Given the high cost of cell phone plans in Canada and the relative lack of 
>> competition we got lucky since we were able to get on a plan for $49 a month 
>> which gives us unlimited calling, texting and 6 Gb of data, but we do need 
>> our own unlocked phones for this. We decided that there are other things in 
>> life we want to spend our hard-earned money on apart from a new $1,200 or 
>> 1,500 cell phone every year or two and that is what many of the new phones 
>> cost in canadian Dollars by the time we add taxes and so on. The top of the 
>> line iPhone XS Max with 512 Gb of data is in fact $1,999 Canadian, here in 
>> British Columbia we have 12% taxes so with tax that would be $2,238.88 and 
>> that’s not even including Apple Care Plus which for the XS and XS Max is 
>> another $249.
>> Even if we bought the XR with 64GB  that is $1,029 + taxes so approx. $1,152 
>> with taxes, for the two of us that would be just over $2,300 and with Apple 
>> Care Plus which for that phone is $199 it would add another $448 including 
>> taxes, a total bill of $2,750. Then of course we would think that since we 
>> don’t replace our phones all that often we should probably go for the 128Gb 
>> model which is only $70 Canadian more, $1,099 instead of $1,029 so add 
>> another $156 including taxes and we are now at a bit over $2,900. Then we 
>> would both need new cases, we would of course want to take advantage of 
>> wireless charging at least on our side tables in the bedroom so we could 
>> listen with headset while the phone charges, say another $150 in accessories 
>> for the two of us and we are looking at well over $3,000.
>> If we wanted to get the XS with 256GB and Apple Care Plus that would 

Re: iPhone battery replacement, was RE: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Mary Otten]

According to what I just read on the web and was also told by the store called 
simply Mac, Best Buy will do the battery replacement for the same price is 
Apple four eligible devices.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> I’m not Sieghard, but according to Apple’s info that I could find, the 
> wireless carrier is not participating, you need to deal directly with Apple.
> I would call Apple and make sure your phone is eligible for the battery 
> replacement program and make arrangements through them directly.
> I do not know if Apple Accessibility can help, but I like to start with them, 
> 877-204-3930.
> If not, they can direct you to the right folks, probably the main apple 
> number…
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
>  
> “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
> pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
> upgrading and iPhone pricing
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
>  
> My wife & I have 2 year old SE iPhones.  If we want to take advantage of the 
> Apple battery replacement program do we just take our phones back to the 
> Verizon store where they were purchased to get the batteries replaced there?  
> Thanks much.
> Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
> Sent from my iBarstool.
> Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
> end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
> - Original Message -
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:01 AM
> Subject: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
> upgrading and iPhone pricing
>  
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I started a new post here since “I am unable to do anything with my iPhone”  
> wasn’t really an appropriate subject any more. Anyhow, here it goes:
>  
> I still have my 6S Plus. My wife has a 6S and for us the keyboard button is 
> where it has always been.
> We are not buying new iPhones for at least a year and quite possible two and 
> here is our reasoning:
> we decided to take advantage of Apple’s battery replacement program so both 
> of our phones have new batteries and especially now with iOS 12 they run 
> great.
> Our 6S generation phones will still get iOS 13 for sure which means we are 
> good for at least 2 more years since iOS 14 won’t come out until the fall of 
> 2020.
> Given the high cost of cell phone plans in Canada and the relative lack of 
> competition we got lucky since we were able to get on a plan for $49 a month 
> which gives us unlimited calling, texting and 6 Gb of data, but we do need 
> our own unlocked phones for this. We decided that there are other things in 
> life we want to spend our hard-earned money on apart from a new $1,200 or 
> 1,500 cell phone every year or two and that is what many of the new phones 
> cost in canadian Dollars by the time we add taxes and so on. The top of the 
> line iPhone XS Max with 512 Gb of data is in fact $1,999 Canadian, here in 
> British Columbia we have 12% taxes so with tax that would be $2,238.88 and 
> that’s not even including Apple Care Plus which for the XS and XS Max is 
> another $249.
> Even if we bought the XR with 64GB  that is $1,029 + taxes so approx. $1,152 
> with taxes, for the two of us that would be just over $2,300 and with Apple 
> Care Plus which for that phone is $199 it would add another $448 including 
> taxes, a total bill of $2,750. Then of course we would think that since we 
> don’t replace our phones all that often we should probably go for the 128Gb 
> model which is only $70 Canadian more, $1,099 instead of $1,029 so add 
> another $156 including taxes and we are now at a bit over $2,900. Then we 
> would both need new cases, we would of course want to take advantage of 
> wireless charging at least on our side tables in the bedroom so we could 
> listen with headset while the phone charges, say another $150 in accessories 
> for the two of us and we are looking at well over $3,000.
> If we wanted to get the XS with 256GB and Apple Care Plus that would mean 
> $1,589 Canadian for the phone + $249 for Apple Care Plus, a total of $1,838 
> and with taxes $2,058.
> For the two of us that would mean $ 4117.12, again no accessories included.
> We both work at my retail store and I could justify my own phone for sure to 
> be paid by the business and possibly my wife’s phone could be partially paid 
> by the business, but even having that option I just can’t justify a new phone 
> after 2 or 3 years. Given the quality of

iPhone battery replacement, was RE: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Richard Turner]

Mike,
I’m not Sieghard, but according to Apple’s info that I could find, the wireless 
carrier is not participating, you need to deal directly with Apple.
I would call Apple and make sure your phone is eligible for the battery 
replacement program and make arrangements through them directly.
I do not know if Apple Accessibility can help, but I like to start with them, 
877-204-3930.
If not, they can direct you to the right folks, probably the main apple number…

Richard



“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under 
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
upgrading and iPhone pricing

Hi Sieghard,

My wife & I have 2 year old SE iPhones.  If we want to take advantage of the 
Apple battery replacement program do we just take our phones back to the 
Verizon store where they were purchased to get the batteries replaced there?  
Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:01 AM
Subject: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading 
and iPhone pricing

Hi Mary,

I started a new post here since “I am unable to do anything with my iPhone”  
wasn’t really an appropriate subject any more. Anyhow, here it goes:

I still have my 6S Plus. My wife has a 6S and for us the keyboard button is 
where it has always been.
We are not buying new iPhones for at least a year and quite possible two and 
here is our reasoning:
we decided to take advantage of Apple’s battery replacement program so both of 
our phones have new batteries and especially now with iOS 12 they run great.
Our 6S generation phones will still get iOS 13 for sure which means we are good 
for at least 2 more years since iOS 14 won’t come out until the fall of 2020.
Given the high cost of cell phone plans in Canada and the relative lack of 
competition we got lucky since we were able to get on a plan for $49 a month 
which gives us unlimited calling, texting and 6 Gb of data, but we do need our 
own unlocked phones for this. We decided that there are other things in life we 
want to spend our hard-earned money on apart from a new $1,200 or 1,500 cell 
phone every year or two and that is what many of the new phones cost in 
canadian Dollars by the time we add taxes and so on. The top of the line iPhone 
XS Max with 512 Gb of data is in fact $1,999 Canadian, here in British Columbia 
we have 12% taxes so with tax that would be $2,238.88 and that’s not even 
including Apple Care Plus which for the XS and XS Max is another $249.
Even if we bought the XR with 64GB  that is $1,029 + taxes so approx. $1,152 
with taxes, for the two of us that would be just over $2,300 and with Apple 
Care Plus which for that phone is $199 it would add another $448 including 
taxes, a total bill of $2,750. Then of course we would think that since we 
don’t replace our phones all that often we should probably go for the 128Gb 
model which is only $70 Canadian more, $1,099 instead of $1,029 so add another 
$156 including taxes and we are now at a bit over $2,900. Then we would both 
need new cases, we would of course want to take advantage of wireless charging 
at least on our side tables in the bedroom so we could listen with headset 
while the phone charges, say another $150 in accessories for the two of us and 
we are looking at well over $3,000.
If we wanted to get the XS with 256GB and Apple Care Plus that would mean 
$1,589 Canadian for the phone + $249 for Apple Care Plus, a total of $1,838 and 
with taxes $2,058.
For the two of us that would mean $ 4117.12, again no accessories included.
We both work at my retail store and I could justify my own phone for sure to be 
paid by the business and possibly my wife’s phone could be partially paid by 
the business, but even having that option I just can’t justify a new phone 
after 2 or 3 years. Given the quality of iPhones and the maturity of all the 
high-end phones nowadays there simply is no reason for me why I should not have 
a phone for at least 4 and more likely 5 or 6 years just like a computer. If 
you don’t constantly drop your phone and are just a little careful with it this 
is certainly what many people do, I know several people who are all 
professionals and make good money and that is what they do. If somebody wants 
to pay a lot of money every month to essentially lease their phone and trade it 
in every year that is their business, but anybody who does the math can figure 
out that if you buy your phone for the retail price and sign 

Re: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Mike B.]

Hi Sieghard,

My wife & I have 2 year old SE iPhones.  If we want to take advantage of the 
Apple battery replacement program do we just take our phones back to the 
Verizon store where they were purchased to get the batteries replaced there? 
Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:01 AM
Subject: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on 
upgrading and iPhone pricing


Hi Mary,



I started a new post here since “I am unable to do anything with my iPhone” 
wasn’t really an appropriate subject any more. Anyhow, here it goes:



I still have my 6S Plus. My wife has a 6S and for us the keyboard button is 
where it has always been.

We are not buying new iPhones for at least a year and quite possible two and 
here is our reasoning:

we decided to take advantage of Apple’s battery replacement program so both 
of our phones have new batteries and especially now with iOS 12 they run 
great.

Our 6S generation phones will still get iOS 13 for sure which means we are 
good for at least 2 more years since iOS 14 won’t come out until the fall of 
2020.

Given the high cost of cell phone plans in Canada and the relative lack of 
competition we got lucky since we were able to get on a plan for $49 a month 
which gives us unlimited calling, texting and 6 Gb of data, but we do need 
our own unlocked phones for this. We decided that there are other things in 
life we want to spend our hard-earned money on apart from a new $1,200 or 
1,500 cell phone every year or two and that is what many of the new phones 
cost in canadian Dollars by the time we add taxes and so on. The top of the 
line iPhone XS Max with 512 Gb of data is in fact $1,999 Canadian, here in 
British Columbia we have 12% taxes so with tax that would be $2,238.88 and 
that’s not even including Apple Care Plus which for the XS and XS Max is 
another $249.

Even if we bought the XR with 64GB  that is $1,029 + taxes so approx. $1,152 
with taxes, for the two of us that would be just over $2,300 and with Apple 
Care Plus which for that phone is $199 it would add another $448 including 
taxes, a total bill of $2,750. Then of course we would think that since we 
don’t replace our phones all that often we should probably go for the 128Gb 
model which is only $70 Canadian more, $1,099 instead of $1,029 so add 
another $156 including taxes and we are now at a bit over $2,900. Then we 
would both need new cases, we would of course want to take advantage of 
wireless charging at least on our side tables in the bedroom so we could 
listen with headset while the phone charges, say another $150 in accessories 
for the two of us and we are looking at well over $3,000.

If we wanted to get the XS with 256GB and Apple Care Plus that would mean 
$1,589 Canadian for the phone + $249 for Apple Care Plus, a total of $1,838 
and with taxes $2,058.

For the two of us that would mean $ 4117.12, again no accessories included.

We both work at my retail store and I could justify my own phone for sure to 
be paid by the business and possibly my wife’s phone could be partially paid 
by the business, but even having that option I just can’t justify a new 
phone after 2 or 3 years. Given the quality of iPhones and the maturity of 
all the high-end phones nowadays there simply is no reason for me why I 
should not have a phone for at least 4 and more likely 5 or 6 years just 
like a computer. If you don’t constantly drop your phone and are just a 
little careful with it this is certainly what many people do, I know several 
people who are all professionals and make good money and that is what they 
do. If somebody wants to pay a lot of money every month to essentially lease 
their phone and trade it in every year that is their business, but anybody 
who does the math can figure out that if you buy your phone for the retail 
price and sign up for a lower cost plan from an MVNO and keep the phone for 
5 years you save a lot of money. As for features, yes, wireless charging is 
neat, Face Id to me sounds like a good idea since it’s been shown to be more 
secure and more reliable than Touch Id, I personally have no special 
attachment to the 3.5mm audio jack and the better camera and faster 
processor don’t do much for me in real life and day-to-day use of the phone. 
Take those away and there isn’t much which makes me want to have an iPhone 
10XR, XS or XS Max.



Regards,

Sieghard




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Re: Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Anthony Vece]

Very well said!
Sieghard


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> On Oct 28, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard
> 

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Keyboard button to switch languages and general thoughts on upgrading and iPhone pricing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

I started a new post here since "I am unable to do anything with my iPhone"  
wasn't really an appropriate subject any more. Anyhow, here it goes:

I still have my 6S Plus. My wife has a 6S and for us the keyboard button is 
where it has always been.
We are not buying new iPhones for at least a year and quite possible two and 
here is our reasoning:
we decided to take advantage of Apple's battery replacement program so both of 
our phones have new batteries and especially now with iOS 12 they run great.
Our 6S generation phones will still get iOS 13 for sure which means we are good 
for at least 2 more years since iOS 14 won't come out until the fall of 2020.
Given the high cost of cell phone plans in Canada and the relative lack of 
competition we got lucky since we were able to get on a plan for $49 a month 
which gives us unlimited calling, texting and 6 Gb of data, but we do need our 
own unlocked phones for this. We decided that there are other things in life we 
want to spend our hard-earned money on apart from a new $1,200 or 1,500 cell 
phone every year or two and that is what many of the new phones cost in 
canadian Dollars by the time we add taxes and so on. The top of the line iPhone 
XS Max with 512 Gb of data is in fact $1,999 Canadian, here in British Columbia 
we have 12% taxes so with tax that would be $2,238.88 and that's not even 
including Apple Care Plus which for the XS and XS Max is another $249.
Even if we bought the XR with 64GB  that is $1,029 + taxes so approx. $1,152 
with taxes, for the two of us that would be just over $2,300 and with Apple 
Care Plus which for that phone is $199 it would add another $448 including 
taxes, a total bill of $2,750. Then of course we would think that since we 
don't replace our phones all that often we should probably go for the 128Gb 
model which is only $70 Canadian more, $1,099 instead of $1,029 so add another 
$156 including taxes and we are now at a bit over $2,900. Then we would both 
need new cases, we would of course want to take advantage of wireless charging 
at least on our side tables in the bedroom so we could listen with headset 
while the phone charges, say another $150 in accessories for the two of us and 
we are looking at well over $3,000.
If we wanted to get the XS with 256GB and Apple Care Plus that would mean 
$1,589 Canadian for the phone + $249 for Apple Care Plus, a total of $1,838 and 
with taxes $2,058.
For the two of us that would mean $ 4117.12, again no accessories included.
We both work at my retail store and I could justify my own phone for sure to be 
paid by the business and possibly my wife's phone could be partially paid by 
the business, but even having that option I just can't justify a new phone 
after 2 or 3 years. Given the quality of iPhones and the maturity of all the 
high-end phones nowadays there simply is no reason for me why I should not have 
a phone for at least 4 and more likely 5 or 6 years just like a computer. If 
you don't constantly drop your phone and are just a little careful with it this 
is certainly what many people do, I know several people who are all 
professionals and make good money and that is what they do. If somebody wants 
to pay a lot of money every month to essentially lease their phone and trade it 
in every year that is their business, but anybody who does the math can figure 
out that if you buy your phone for the retail price and sign up for a lower 
cost plan from an MVNO and keep the phone for 5 years you save a lot of money. 
As for features, yes, wireless charging is neat, Face Id to me sounds like a 
good idea since it's been shown to be more secure and more reliable than Touch 
Id, I personally have no special attachment to the 3.5mm audio jack and the 
better camera and faster processor don't do much for me in real life and 
day-to-day use of the phone. Take those away and there isn't much which makes 
me want to have an iPhone 10XR, XS or XS Max.

Regards,
Sieghard

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RE: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am not sure, but if it has been a long time you may have 2-step verification 
set up which is slightly different from 2-factor authentication.

Read the below Apple support article, it seems that if you had 2-step 
verification that you may have automatically been upgraded to 2-factor 
authentication when you started using iOS 11, but I'd follow the steps outlined 
to check this and make sure.

If you are at all worried and if 2-factor authentication is what is indeed 
turned on you can always turn this off temporarily and once you have your new 
iPhone all set up turn it backon.



Switch from two-step verification to two-factor 
authentication<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT207198>





Regards,

Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication



HI Mary,

Go to settings then double tap on your name. then flick to security and 
password and double tap. Under the two-factor authentication find the trusted 
phone numbers heading. Find the edit button then double tap. Swipe until you 
hear add trusted phone number if you don't have one already.



My group:

marias-chat+subscr...@googlegroups.com



> On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

>

> It has been along time since I set up my two factor authentication. I 
> honestly don’t know if I have a trusted phone number. How can I find out and 
> if not, where can I go to set that up?

> Thank you.

> Mary

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 2:13 AM, Øyvind Lode  wrote:

>>

>> Mary,

>>

>> No problem if you have enabled two-factor authentication and also

>> set-up a trusted phone number.

>> I only have one iOS device and no mac, so I don't have other devices

>> to receive verification codes on.

>> However, since I have verified my sim and phone number it works fine.

>>

>> I recently performed a full reset of my iPhone 7 and I was very

>> curious to see how that would go since I use two-factor auth and no

>> other devices to get a code on to verify my identity.

>> However, no worries.

>> Here is were the trusted phone number came in and I entered my apple

>> id credentials and it connected to apple servers and no problem with

>> two-factor auth since it automatically discovered that the sim and

>> phone number on this device is set-up as a trusted phone number in

>> two-factor auth of my apple id.

>>

>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 05:20, Alan Lemly  wrote:

>>>

>>> Mary,

>>>

>>> I recently upgraded from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8 which I purchased 
>>> directly from Apple. Both of these models were Verizon phones. First, if 
>>> your ordered your iPhone XR from T-Mobile, won't it come with its SIMM card 
>>> already installed so you don't have to fool with transferring a SIMM from 
>>> your old phone to your new one? I know that was the case with my new iPhone 
>>> 8. I don't remember having to do anything with 2-factor authentication when 
>>> setting up my new iPhone 8. I used that feature introduced with iOS 11 I 
>>> believe that lets you hold the old phone near the new one to transfer 
>>> settings and then I restored an iTunes backup to the new phone. I don't 
>>> recall it asking me to 2-factor authenticate anything but if it did, it was 
>>> done on the new phone without any issues.

>>>

>>> I hope some of the above makes sense.

>>>

>>> Alan Lemly

>>>

>>> -Original Message-

>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten

>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:47 PM

>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com

>>> Subject: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

>>>

>>> It�s been along time since I�ve had to deal with either getting a new phone 
>>> or using two factor authentication. What I remember from the last time I 
>>> bought a phone is that you have to put the Sim from your old phone into 
>>> your new phone in order to get the process of getting your phone up and 
>>> running started. I also remember some problems with two factor 
>>> authentication in the past, having to do with needing to have two devices 
>>> on the same network or something, so that I could get a message on one that 
>>> would then be typed into the other one in order to continue with the 
>>> process. Does anybody know of documentation somewhere that spells out j

Re: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Maria. It turns out I do have a trusted phone number, the same one that 
is my mobile phone number. So, I guess I will be OK. If I put the Sim in the 
new phone when I get it, when it comes time to set things up, hopefully the 
code will come through to that new phone, and  everything will be good.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> HI Mary, 
> Go to settings then double tap on your name. then flick to security and 
> password and double tap. Under the two-factor authentication find the trusted 
> phone numbers heading. Find the edit button then double tap. Swipe until you 
> hear add trusted phone number if you don't have one already. 
> 
> My group: 
> marias-chat+subscr...@googlegroups.com
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> It has been along time since I set up my two factor authentication. I 
>> honestly don’t know if I have a trusted phone number. How can I find out and 
>> if not, where can I go to set that up?
>> Thank you.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 2:13 AM, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> No problem if you have enabled two-factor authentication and also
>>> set-up a trusted phone number.
>>> I only have one iOS device and no mac, so I don't have other devices
>>> to receive verification codes on.
>>> However, since I have verified my sim and phone number it works fine.
>>> 
>>> I recently performed a full reset of my iPhone 7 and I was very
>>> curious to see how that would go since I use two-factor auth and no
>>> other devices to get a code on to verify my identity.
>>> However, no worries.
>>> Here is were the trusted phone number came in and I entered my apple
>>> id credentials and it connected to apple servers and no problem with
>>> two-factor auth since it automatically discovered that the sim and
>>> phone number on this device is set-up as a trusted phone number in
>>> two-factor auth of my apple id.
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 05:20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary,
>>>> 
>>>> I recently upgraded from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8 which I purchased 
>>>> directly from Apple. Both of these models were Verizon phones. First, if 
>>>> your ordered your iPhone XR from T-Mobile, won't it come with its SIMM 
>>>> card already installed so you don't have to fool with transferring a SIMM 
>>>> from your old phone to your new one? I know that was the case with my new 
>>>> iPhone 8. I don't remember having to do anything with 2-factor 
>>>> authentication when setting up my new iPhone 8. I used that feature 
>>>> introduced with iOS 11 I believe that lets you hold the old phone near the 
>>>> new one to transfer settings and then I restored an iTunes backup to the 
>>>> new phone. I don't recall it asking me to 2-factor authenticate anything 
>>>> but if it did, it was done on the new phone without any issues.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope some of the above makes sense.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Lemly
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:47 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication
>>>> 
>>>> It�s been along time since I�ve had to deal with either getting a new 
>>>> phone or using two factor authentication. What I remember from the last 
>>>> time I bought a phone is that you have to put the Sim from your old phone 
>>>> into your new phone in order to get the process of getting your phone up 
>>>> and running started. I also remember some problems with two factor 
>>>> authentication in the past, having to do with needing to have two devices 
>>>> on the same network or something, so that I could get a message on one 
>>>> that would then be typed into the other one in order to continue with the 
>>>> process. Does anybody know of documentation somewhere that spells out just 
>>>> what you have to do? I mean, here I would have my old phone on my Wi-Fi 
>>>> network but no Sim, so no cellular connection. The new phone will be 
>>>> presumably on the cellular network but I can�t remember where the Wi-Fi 
>>>>

Re: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

[Maria Reyes]

HI Mary, 
Go to settings then double tap on your name. then flick to security and 
password and double tap. Under the two-factor authentication find the trusted 
phone numbers heading. Find the edit button then double tap. Swipe until you 
hear add trusted phone number if you don't have one already. 

My group: 
marias-chat+subscr...@googlegroups.com

> On Oct 21, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> It has been along time since I set up my two factor authentication. I 
> honestly don’t know if I have a trusted phone number. How can I find out and 
> if not, where can I go to set that up?
> Thank you.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 2:13 AM, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> No problem if you have enabled two-factor authentication and also
>> set-up a trusted phone number.
>> I only have one iOS device and no mac, so I don't have other devices
>> to receive verification codes on.
>> However, since I have verified my sim and phone number it works fine.
>> 
>> I recently performed a full reset of my iPhone 7 and I was very
>> curious to see how that would go since I use two-factor auth and no
>> other devices to get a code on to verify my identity.
>> However, no worries.
>> Here is were the trusted phone number came in and I entered my apple
>> id credentials and it connected to apple servers and no problem with
>> two-factor auth since it automatically discovered that the sim and
>> phone number on this device is set-up as a trusted phone number in
>> two-factor auth of my apple id.
>> 
>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 05:20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> I recently upgraded from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8 which I purchased 
>>> directly from Apple. Both of these models were Verizon phones. First, if 
>>> your ordered your iPhone XR from T-Mobile, won't it come with its SIMM card 
>>> already installed so you don't have to fool with transferring a SIMM from 
>>> your old phone to your new one? I know that was the case with my new iPhone 
>>> 8. I don't remember having to do anything with 2-factor authentication when 
>>> setting up my new iPhone 8. I used that feature introduced with iOS 11 I 
>>> believe that lets you hold the old phone near the new one to transfer 
>>> settings and then I restored an iTunes backup to the new phone. I don't 
>>> recall it asking me to 2-factor authenticate anything but if it did, it was 
>>> done on the new phone without any issues.
>>> 
>>> I hope some of the above makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:47 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication
>>> 
>>> It�s been along time since I�ve had to deal with either getting a new phone 
>>> or using two factor authentication. What I remember from the last time I 
>>> bought a phone is that you have to put the Sim from your old phone into 
>>> your new phone in order to get the process of getting your phone up and 
>>> running started. I also remember some problems with two factor 
>>> authentication in the past, having to do with needing to have two devices 
>>> on the same network or something, so that I could get a message on one that 
>>> would then be typed into the other one in order to continue with the 
>>> process. Does anybody know of documentation somewhere that spells out just 
>>> what you have to do? I mean, here I would have my old phone on my Wi-Fi 
>>> network but no Sim, so no cellular connection. The new phone will be 
>>> presumably on the cellular network but I can�t remember where the Wi-Fi 
>>> setting comes in. Anyway, all I need is a pointer in the right direction I 
>>> guess.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

[Mary Otten]

It has been along time since I set up my two factor authentication. I honestly 
don’t know if I have a trusted phone number. How can I find out and if not, 
where can I go to set that up?
Thank you.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2018, at 2:13 AM, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> No problem if you have enabled two-factor authentication and also
> set-up a trusted phone number.
> I only have one iOS device and no mac, so I don't have other devices
> to receive verification codes on.
> However, since I have verified my sim and phone number it works fine.
> 
> I recently performed a full reset of my iPhone 7 and I was very
> curious to see how that would go since I use two-factor auth and no
> other devices to get a code on to verify my identity.
> However, no worries.
> Here is were the trusted phone number came in and I entered my apple
> id credentials and it connected to apple servers and no problem with
> two-factor auth since it automatically discovered that the sim and
> phone number on this device is set-up as a trusted phone number in
> two-factor auth of my apple id.
> 
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 05:20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> I recently upgraded from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8 which I purchased 
>> directly from Apple. Both of these models were Verizon phones. First, if 
>> your ordered your iPhone XR from T-Mobile, won't it come with its SIMM card 
>> already installed so you don't have to fool with transferring a SIMM from 
>> your old phone to your new one? I know that was the case with my new iPhone 
>> 8. I don't remember having to do anything with 2-factor authentication when 
>> setting up my new iPhone 8. I used that feature introduced with iOS 11 I 
>> believe that lets you hold the old phone near the new one to transfer 
>> settings and then I restored an iTunes backup to the new phone. I don't 
>> recall it asking me to 2-factor authenticate anything but if it did, it was 
>> done on the new phone without any issues.
>> 
>> I hope some of the above makes sense.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication
>> 
>> It�s been along time since I�ve had to deal with either getting a new phone 
>> or using two factor authentication. What I remember from the last time I 
>> bought a phone is that you have to put the Sim from your old phone into your 
>> new phone in order to get the process of getting your phone up and running 
>> started. I also remember some problems with two factor authentication in the 
>> past, having to do with needing to have two devices on the same network or 
>> something, so that I could get a message on one that would then be typed 
>> into the other one in order to continue with the process. Does anybody know 
>> of documentation somewhere that spells out just what you have to do? I mean, 
>> here I would have my old phone on my Wi-Fi network but no Sim, so no 
>> cellular connection. The new phone will be presumably on the cellular 
>> network but I can�t remember where the Wi-Fi setting comes in. Anyway, all I 
>> need is a pointer in the right direction I guess.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

[Øyvind Lode]

Mary,

No problem if you have enabled two-factor authentication and also
set-up a trusted phone number.
I only have one iOS device and no mac, so I don't have other devices
to receive verification codes on.
However, since I have verified my sim and phone number it works fine.

I recently performed a full reset of my iPhone 7 and I was very
curious to see how that would go since I use two-factor auth and no
other devices to get a code on to verify my identity.
However, no worries.
Here is were the trusted phone number came in and I entered my apple
id credentials and it connected to apple servers and no problem with
two-factor auth since it automatically discovered that the sim and
phone number on this device is set-up as a trusted phone number in
two-factor auth of my apple id.

On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 05:20, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>
> Mary,
>
> I recently upgraded from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8 which I purchased 
> directly from Apple. Both of these models were Verizon phones. First, if your 
> ordered your iPhone XR from T-Mobile, won't it come with its SIMM card 
> already installed so you don't have to fool with transferring a SIMM from 
> your old phone to your new one? I know that was the case with my new iPhone 
> 8. I don't remember having to do anything with 2-factor authentication when 
> setting up my new iPhone 8. I used that feature introduced with iOS 11 I 
> believe that lets you hold the old phone near the new one to transfer 
> settings and then I restored an iTunes backup to the new phone. I don't 
> recall it asking me to 2-factor authenticate anything but if it did, it was 
> done on the new phone without any issues.
>
> I hope some of the above makes sense.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication
>
> It�s been along time since I�ve had to deal with either getting a new phone 
> or using two factor authentication. What I remember from the last time I 
> bought a phone is that you have to put the Sim from your old phone into your 
> new phone in order to get the process of getting your phone up and running 
> started. I also remember some problems with two factor authentication in the 
> past, having to do with needing to have two devices on the same network or 
> something, so that I could get a message on one that would then be typed into 
> the other one in order to continue with the process. Does anybody know of 
> documentation somewhere that spells out just what you have to do? I mean, 
> here I would have my old phone on my Wi-Fi network but no Sim, so no cellular 
> connection. The new phone will be presumably on the cellular network but I 
> can�t remember where the Wi-Fi setting comes in. Anyway, all I need is a 
> pointer in the right direction I guess.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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RE: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

[Alan Lemly]

Mary,

I recently upgraded from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8 which I purchased directly 
from Apple. Both of these models were Verizon phones. First, if your ordered 
your iPhone XR from T-Mobile, won't it come with its SIMM card already 
installed so you don't have to fool with transferring a SIMM from your old 
phone to your new one? I know that was the case with my new iPhone 8. I don't 
remember having to do anything with 2-factor authentication when setting up my 
new iPhone 8. I used that feature introduced with iOS 11 I believe that lets 
you hold the old phone near the new one to transfer settings and then I 
restored an iTunes backup to the new phone. I don't recall it asking me to 
2-factor authenticate anything but if it did, it was done on the new phone 
without any issues.

I hope some of the above makes sense.

Alan Lemly 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

It�s been along time since I�ve had to deal with either getting a new phone or 
using two factor authentication. What I remember from the last time I bought a 
phone is that you have to put the Sim from your old phone into your new phone 
in order to get the process of getting your phone up and running started. I 
also remember some problems with two factor authentication in the past, having 
to do with needing to have two devices on the same network or something, so 
that I could get a message on one that would then be typed into the other one 
in order to continue with the process. Does anybody know of documentation 
somewhere that spells out just what you have to do? I mean, here I would have 
my old phone on my Wi-Fi network but no Sim, so no cellular connection. The new 
phone will be presumably on the cellular network but I can�t remember where the 
Wi-Fi setting comes in. Anyway, all I need is a pointer in the right direction 
I guess.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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Upgrading to a new iPhone with two factor authentication

[Mary Otten]

It’s been along time since I’ve had to deal with either getting a new phone or 
using two factor authentication. What I remember from the last time I bought a 
phone is that you have to put the Sim from your old phone into your new phone 
in order to get the process of getting your phone up and running started. I 
also remember some problems with two factor authentication in the past, having 
to do with needing to have two devices on the same network or something, so 
that I could get a message on one that would then be typed into the other one 
in order to continue with the process. Does anybody know of documentation 
somewhere that spells out just what you have to do? I mean, here I would have 
my old phone on my Wi-Fi network but no Sim, so no cellular connection. The new 
phone will be presumably on the cellular network but I can’t remember where the 
Wi-Fi setting comes in. Anyway, all I need is a pointer in the right direction 
I guess.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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Questions regarding upgrading my phone Re: ne

[Terri Stimmel]

I do apologize. I don't know what happened with my subject line. It was 
fine before I went to send the message.


Thank you,


Terri


On 10/1/2018 10:42 AM, Terri Stimmel wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am currently a T-Mobile customer. I just learned that I can not
> upgrade to the 8Plus, as I was hoping. I can only upgrade to the phones
> that have just been released. I am on what is called, jump on-demand.
> Basically, I could get a new phone every month if I desired. Which I do not.
>
> Had I gotten this 8Plus a month ago, all would have worked out. I
> honestly don't want the newer phones yet. Plus, I couldn't afford them.
>
> So if I keep my S6 for now, how long can I possibly keep it for, before
> I am pretty much forced to upgrade?
> If I am understanding right, this is the last update my phone will get?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Terri
>

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RE: question how to cleen up the eye phone 6 after upgrading to ios 12?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mitch,

As far as I know, the only way to truly clean up your iphone is to set it up, 
via iTunes, as a new device.  This can be a somewhat lengthy process but, 
during the process, the internal storage is completely wiped of all app data 
and fresh copies of the apps are installed.  

This is just my opinion, of course.  

Mark

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mich verrier
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Subject: question how to cleen up the eye phone 6 after upgrading to ios 12?

Hi all. I am wondering is there a way to cleen up the eye phone after 
downloading ios 12? I am running a eye phone 6 and when I tried to retreave 
some of the apps from the clowd to re install after doing the update I was told 
that there was not enough space on my phone to install them. So I am wondering 
if there is a setting that I need to go into to clear up space so that I can re 
install the apps again? If so where is it? Is it under recet settings? Many 
thanks. From Mich.
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Re: question how to cleen up the eye phone 6 after upgrading to ios 12?

[Gordon]

You can go into settings,general and storage and it might give you some 
recommendations of what you can do to help clear some space along with 
show you apps that haven't been used in a long time so you can delete 
them if you no longer have a need for them.



On 9/19/2018 1:21 AM, mich verrier wrote:


Hi all. I am wondering is there a way to cleen up the eye phone after 
downloading ios 12? I am running a eye phone 6 and when I tried to 
retreave some of the apps from the clowd to re install after doing the 
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so where is it? Is it under recet settings? Many thanks. From Mich.


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question how to cleen up the eye phone 6 after upgrading to ios 12?

[mich verrier]

Hi all. I am wondering is there a way to cleen up the eye phone after
downloading ios 12? I am running a eye phone 6 and when I tried to retreave
some of the apps from the clowd to re install after doing the update I was
told that there was not enough space on my phone to install them. So I am
wondering if there is a setting that I need to go into to clear up space so
that I can re install the apps again? If so where is it? Is it under recet
settings? Many thanks. From Mich.

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RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Craig,

I am pretty sure the iPhone SE will definitely still get iOS 13 next fall and 
it’s possible it may even still get iOS 14 in 2020. I am in the same boat with 
my 6S Plus, the 6S/6S Plus and iPhone SE all were released with iOS 9 in 2015. 
In the past Apple supported their devices with 5 versions I think, so that 
would be iOS 9, 10, 11, 12 this year and 13 next year.
However, this year they broke this rule by giving iOS 12 to the iPhone 5S which 
was released in 2013 with iOS 7, if this 5-year rule applied the 5S would have 
started with iOS 7, received iOS 8, 9, 10 and 11 would have been the end last 
fall, but Apple already said in their June keynote that the 5S would get iOS 
12. Maybe that is because iOS 12 is more of a bug fixing and efficiency version 
rather than a new features version, but then again as iOS matures 
groundbreaking new features will be less frequent just as groundbreaking new 
hardware designs and features will be less frequent so maybe most devices going 
forward will support 5 additional iOS versions in addition to the one they were 
released with.
Anyhow, for me it would be fairly logical that at least in the fall of 2020 
when iOS 13 will be replaced by iOS 14 that I would then upgrade my 6S Plus to 
whatever phone is fairly at the top of the list then. This would mean I have 
had my 6S Plus for 5 years and I think I would be quite satisfied with that if 
it continues to work for another 2 years and who knows, if apple comes out with 
something pretty cool next fall I might upgrade already then.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Craig 
Werner
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

Good call, Kelly.  The fact that Apple has discontinued the SE doesn't ruffle 
me very much, provided, of course, that at least one iOs series to come will 
work on it. As they say, que sera sera.

Craig

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:08 AM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
I am quite sure they will sell them and people will happily buy them, maybe you 
can snatch a deal for any of the remaining SE's, 6S's or 6's.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike 
Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

I wonder what the apple stores will do with the SE phones that are left in 
their inventory? Do they sell them or send them back to Apple's headquarters.
Original message:
> Craig,

> My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it
> has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have
> to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.

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> On 9/12/18, Craig Werner mailto:coffeeb...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> Hello, Kelly and everyone.

>> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes
>> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
>> competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
>> jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
>> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
>> assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a
>> dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from
>> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.

>> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.

>> Craig

>> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce mailto:kellyt...@gmail.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
>>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a
>>> certain number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a
>>> partner, the big phone companies may get secret information, such as
>>> advanced notice of Ap

RE: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Carolyn Arnold]

They'll sell them, I would think. Recently, I heard that AT*T was selling them 
for $100.00. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

I wonder what the apple stores will do with the SE phones that are left in 
their inventory? Do they sell them or send them back to Apple's headquarters.
Original message:
> Craig,

> My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it 
> has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have 
> to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.

> Kelly   style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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> On 9/12/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>> Hello, Kelly and everyone.

>> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes 
>> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more 
>> competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors 
>> jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my 
>> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable 
>> assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a 
>> dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from 
>> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.

>> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.

>> Craig

>> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to 
>>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a 
>>> certain number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a 
>>> partner, the big phone companies may get secret information, such as 
>>> advanced notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move 
>>> this inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its quota or it 
>>> will be forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through 
>>> its sales channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted 
>>> phones to AT who then sells them only to existing customers with 
>>> really old phones at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap 
>>> iPhone and the companies are happy because Apple was able to 
>>> maintain pricing power, eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT can 
>>> meet its sales quota this year.

>>> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live 
>>> in a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
>>> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are 
>>> only served by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.

>>> Kelly

>>>  >> style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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>>> On 9/8/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
>>>> Hello, Sieghard, Carolyn, and everyone.

>>>> Sieghard, when I first spoke to my provider's sales rep about the 
>>>> $100 price tag of the SE, I had the same concerns as you.  I asked 
>>>> him in three different ways about whether there were hidden or 
>>>> undiscussed costs associated with the 

Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE

[Craig Werner]

Good call, Kelly.  The fact that Apple has discontinued the SE doesn't
ruffle me very much, provided, of course, that at least one iOs series to
come will work on it. As they say, que sera sera.

Craig

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:08 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> I am quite sure they will sell them and people will happily buy them,
> maybe you can snatch a deal for any of the remaining SE's, 6S's or 6's.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 6:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Seeking Advice on Upgrading from iPhone 5 to iPhone SE
>
> I wonder what the apple stores will do with the SE phones that are left in
> their inventory? Do they sell them or send them back to Apple's
> headquarters.
> Original message:
> > Craig,
>
> > My prediction proved true. Apple today discontinued the iPhone SE. it
> > has a boatload of SE phones that it needs to unload and carriers have
> > to meet their quota or buy phones that they can't sell.
>
> > Kelly   > style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
> > 
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> > />
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> > 
> > 
> >  > height="1">
>
> > On 9/12/18, Craig Werner  wrote:
> >> Hello, Kelly and everyone.
>
> >> Interesting about the prerogatives iPhone vendors have.  This makes
> >> good sense in a competitive environment which is getting more
> >> competitive.  I do indeed live in a big city where numerous vendors
> >> jockey  for customers.  Since I do a lot of traveling away from my
> >> home and often pass through rural areas, I like to have reasonable
> >> assurance I'll get a good signal.  In addition, I have never had a
> >> dispute with my carrier.  I know I can get a lower priced plan from
> >> Brand X, but for the time being, I'm making no moves.
>
> >> Again, thanks to everyone for a lively discussion.
>
> >> Craig
>
> >> On 9/10/18, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> >>> What many do not realize is the pressure phone companies have to
> >>> maintain a relationship with Apple. They are required to buy a
> >>> certain number of phones and sell them at any price they wish. As a
> >>> partner, the big phone companies may get secret information, such as
> >>> advanced notice of Apple discontinuing the SE.  Apple needs to move
> >>> this inventory of old phones and AT needs to meet its quota or it
> >>> will be forced to buy phones from Apple that it cannot move through
> >>> its sales channel easily.  Apple could offer deeply discounted
> >>> phones to AT who then sells them only to existing customers with
> >>> really old phones at a steep discount. Craig gets a brand new cheap
> >>> iPhone and the companies are happy because Apple was able to
> >>> maintain pricing power, eliminate unneeded inventory, and AT can
> >>> meet its sales quota this year.
>
> >>> Craig, I understand your interest in keeping your provider. I live
> >>> in a really big city and the major companies all provide service here.
> >>> downstate, Sprint and T-Mobile service is spotty and some areas are
> >>> only served by Verizon or AT You may be in a similar situation.
>
> >>> Kelly
>
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> >>> />
> >>>  Vi