date:20140428

Poser of the Day ...

Cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation is almost universally assumed to
be the photon remnants which are left over from the Big Bang of cosmology.
That assumption has more holes than Swiss cheese. Compounding one error in
another is the best that can be said for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

This Big-Bang explanation is by default essentially - but it makes no
logical sense in an unbounded (expanding) Universe that we should detect a
fairly uniform relic from 14 billion years ago, which is red-shifted to such
an extreme degree. 

Another explanation for CMB dawned on me this morning.

CMB could be ongoing leakage from the Dirac sea, instead of a
multi-billion year old relic of an event that probably never happened to
begin with. The more one thinks about it, even if one is not a contrarian by
nature, the more appealing it can sound - and so far, the objections seem
fewer than the mainstream view (if you accept Dirac and question the Big
Bang).

I was about to say that you heard it first on Vortex but a quick search
indicates that at least one other reference to a CMB = Dirac-sea
connection has turned up.

http://www.flinders.edu.au/science_engineering/caps/staff-postgrads/info/cah
ill-r/process-physics/

Not surprising that he is from Adelaide... 





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Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

Jones,

I think you are right and it is also responsible for a part of the normal
background radiation here on Earth, which increases slightly during many
storms, many of which I think are caused by an increase in local vacuum
energy and not just hot and cold. We were born into a world where space is
not smooth. I think the Dirac sea is a stormy sea and we are Riders on
the Storm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCJm0kNm-2Y

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Poser of the Day ...

Cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation is almost universally assumed
to
be the photon remnants which are left over from the Big Bang of
cosmology.
That assumption has more holes than Swiss cheese. Compounding one error in
another is the best that can be said for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

This Big-Bang explanation is by default essentially - but it makes no
logical sense in an unbounded (expanding) Universe that we should detect a
fairly uniform relic from 14 billion years ago, which is red-shifted to
such
an extreme degree.

Another explanation for CMB dawned on me this morning.

CMB could be ongoing leakage from the Dirac sea, instead of a
multi-billion year old relic of an event that probably never happened to
begin with. The more one thinks about it, even if one is not a contrarian
by
nature, the more appealing it can sound - and so far, the objections seem
fewer than the mainstream view (if you accept Dirac and question the Big
Bang).

I was about to say that you heard it first on Vortex but a quick search
indicates that at least one other reference to a CMB = Dirac-sea
connection has turned up.

http://www.flinders.edu.au/science_engineering/caps/staff-postgrads/info/cah
ill-r/process-physics/http://www.flinders.edu.au/science_engineering/caps/staff-postgrads/info/cahill-r/process-physics/

Not surprising that he is from Adelaide...

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Daniel Rocha

This is one of the main reasons for the theory of inflation.


2014-04-28 11:08 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:

  we should detect a fairly uniform relic





-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

That's right.  I think our weather contains decaying strings of vacuum in
the jetstreams attached to our earth d-brane, which inflate into
supercells (closed strings) of decaying vacuum which ionize and condense
everything and produce water vapor and precipitation. The vacuum streams to
Earth in the Solar wind.

The vacuum bends the doppler radar's EMF and interacts with it.

Branes bring rain.
Brane drops keep falling on my head
Hurribranes and branespouts kinda thing :)
We are LENR brane decay from the stormy Dirac sea.

Just my take on it






On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:

 This is one of the main reasons for the theory of inflation.


 2014-04-28 11:08 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:

  we should detect a fairly uniform relic





 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:a tip for Ni/H developers

2014-04-28 Thread Bob Cook

Axil--

You do not mean to coat the surface of the Ni nano particles themselves do you? 
 It seems only the inner surface of the reactor vessel which is a small 
pressure vessel, rather than the  nano particles should be coated.However, 
it may be desirable to transmit the infrared across the reactor vessel wall to 
the external coolant to effect better heat transfer.

One other suggestion is in order to achieve the size control of the Ni nano 
particles, developers should consider ball milling Ni in a cryogenic ball 
milling machine using N  ( maybe liquid H) as the liquid in the process.  The N 
(and potentially H) will coat every small particle with a thin--one or two atom 
layer-- of N (or H)  during the process and assures that particles do not 
agglomerate during the milling process.  Better size uniformity will likely be 
accomplished in the process.  Cost effectiveness for production of nano Ni in 
house  may be significant.  The Ni particle surface resulting may be more 
active for LENR.   The loading of the reactor vessel could be accomplished as a 
slurry of liquid N or H as the case may be with a warming period to evaporate 
the N or H.   For a H slurry loading of the reactor could be accomplished in 
the same warming operation as the H turns to a gas.   (Liquid N would be safer 
and cheaper to use than liquid H in the milling operation.)  

Lastly the homogeneous distribution of any catalyst could effectively be 
accomplished during the milling operation, which effectively mixes all 
constituents in the machine.  The coating of each particle as it is attrited in 
the operation is significant in achieving a homogeneous mixture, if this is 
desirable. 

Development would be necessary to make sure the ball milling operation, as it 
is perfected, produces nano size particles of the correct dimensions and mixed 
catalysts as desired.  Whatever milling balls are selected they should be very 
hard compared to the Ni or catalyst being attrited.  For example Haynes-25 
cobalt  alloy balls may be warranted.  

Bob.   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:37 PM
  Subject: [Vo]:a tip for Ni/H developers


  http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.6603.pdf



  Ultra-Thin Metal Films for Enhanced Solar Absorption



  To optimize photonic responsiveness, one of the reasons that nickel is a 
great LENR material is that it is an ideal reflector of light, specifically 
infrared light.



  Furthermore, the ideal thin film thickness of nickel to optimize optical 
performance is between 10nm and 13 nm. 



  All surface on your Ni/H reactor should be coated with a nickel thin film 
whose thinness is between 10nm and 13 nm.

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Bob Cook


Jones--

The link you noted for the Finders University  discusses process physics, 
but I did not see anything about the microwave background radiation coming 
from a Dirac sea.   Is there a separate paper that is more explicit?


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 7:08 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?



Poser of the Day ...

Cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation is almost universally assumed 
to
be the photon remnants which are left over from the Big Bang of 
cosmology.

That assumption has more holes than Swiss cheese. Compounding one error in
another is the best that can be said for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

This Big-Bang explanation is by default essentially - but it makes no
logical sense in an unbounded (expanding) Universe that we should detect a
fairly uniform relic from 14 billion years ago, which is red-shifted to 
such

an extreme degree.

Another explanation for CMB dawned on me this morning.

CMB could be ongoing leakage from the Dirac sea, instead of a
multi-billion year old relic of an event that probably never happened to
begin with. The more one thinks about it, even if one is not a contrarian 
by

nature, the more appealing it can sound - and so far, the objections seem
fewer than the mainstream view (if you accept Dirac and question the Big
Bang).

I was about to say that you heard it first on Vortex but a quick search
indicates that at least one other reference to a CMB = Dirac-sea
connection has turned up.

http://www.flinders.edu.au/science_engineering/caps/staff-postgrads/info/cah
ill-r/process-physics/

Not surprising that he is from Adelaide...

Re: [Vo]:New LENR patent application by Francesco Piantelli : WO2013008219 A2

2014-04-28 Thread Brad Lowe

This is the US Patent of the same name:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20140098917

Publication numberUS20140098917 A1
Publication typeApplication
Application numberUS 14/113,638
PCT numberPCT/IB2012/052100
Publication dateApr 10, 2014
Filing dateApr 26, 2012
Priority dateApr 26, 2011
InventorsFrancesco Piantelli


- Brad

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:45 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:
 This week a new patent application by Francesco Piantelli was published:
 WO2013008219.

 This application is a further development of Piantelli's earlier Patent
 Applications.

 Link:
 http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/WO2013008219

 Title:
 METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR GENERATING ENERGY BY NUCLEAR REACTIONS OF HYDROGEN
 ADSORBED BY ORBITAL CAPTURE ON A NANOCRYSTALLINE STRUCTURE OF A METAL

 I will add this one to my LENR patent database at
 http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/fusion-base/fusion-patents/

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook 

The link you noted for the Finders University  discusses process physics,
but I did not see anything about the microwave background radiation coming
from a Dirac sea.   Is there a separate paper that is more explicit?


I have confused notes on the origin of this detail, but here is a paper from
China which goes a step further and assumes the temperature of thermal
motion of Dirac sea equal the temperature of Cosmological Microwave
Background... It is unfortunately not well written but if there is a valid
mathematical connection, then at least the prima facie case has been made.

http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/A_Naive_Model_of_The_Cosmological_Vac
uum_Energy_Density_Dirac_Sea.pdf

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RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

Here is a paper which assumes the temperature of thermal
motion of Dirac sea equal the temperature of Cosmological Microwave
Background... if there is a valid mathematical connection, then at least the
prima facie case has been made.


http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/A_Naive_Model_of_The_Cosmological_Vac
uum_Energy_Density_Dirac_Sea.pdf

There are a couple of applications that come to mind. Remember the Penzias
ear

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/212_fall2003.web.dir/eli_sonafrank/penzias_and_w
ilson.jpg

Now, merge that device, merged with Project Echo - large Mylar reflectors in
orbit...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_satellite

... and we can throw in a low power version of Stewart's Doppler radar to
boot, which is aimed at the Mylar reflector :-)

The idea is that one uses microwaves of the correct wavelength, at low duty
pulsation, to activate several cubic kilometers of vacuum between the
ground and the orbiting reflector in space - so that the there is a high-Q
ring after each pulse - which is then reflected back to earth to be
collected in a modified ear antenna... 

This is somewhat similar to the idea of beaming back solar power, as in this
story

http://www.wired.com/2014/03/space-solar/

In fact, microwaves could be amplified that way as well - but with far fewer
solar cells to first create a microwave beam, and then with beam
amplification via Dirac/CMB oscillation between two large reflectors,
before being sent to the ground. This would be kind of like a giant maser in
space, requiring only a fraction of the solar cells in the Navy design. The
maser could reflect a beam back and forth over hundreds of km, hopefully
with CMB amplification on every bounce.





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RE: [Vo]:New LENR patent application by Francesco Piantelli : WO2013008219 A2

-Original Message-
From: Brad Lowe 

 I will add this one to my LENR patent database at
 http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/fusion-base/fusion-patents/


This link appears to be down...

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the CMB. 
 Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and is 
supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive 
objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation of material could occur in 
matter that has no way to release the gravitational energy by radiation as with 
normal matter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by the condensation of 
the dark matter.

The distribution of dark matter throughout the universe would be indicated by 
the radiation pattern associated with the CMB if this idea has merit.  Another 
feature of this theory would be that the dark matter would take far longer to 
condense into organized collections of material than that observed by regular 
matter.   Telescopic observations of normal galaxies from far into the past via 
distant viewing could be a method of estimating how the dark matter is 
presently arranged in our galaxy for instance.

How would one explain the distribution of material that dark matter is composed 
of if it does not have a method of releasing stored gravitational energy?  I 
can not imagine any process that would allow this type of matter to collect 
into a small batch which seems to be cooler by definition unless that energy 
can be released by some mechanism.  What would be better than a slow release at 
the very low end of the spectrum?  Strong interaction would seem to suggest 
rapid energy release and high temperatures as with ordinary matter.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 11:33 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?


-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook 

The link you noted for the Finders University  discusses process physics,
but I did not see anything about the microwave background radiation coming
from a Dirac sea.   Is there a separate paper that is more explicit?


I have confused notes on the origin of this detail, but here is a paper from
China which goes a step further and assumes the temperature of thermal
motion of Dirac sea equal the temperature of Cosmological Microwave
Background... It is unfortunately not well written but if there is a valid
mathematical connection, then at least the prima facie case has been made.

http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/A_Naive_Model_of_The_Cosmological_Vac
uum_Energy_Density_Dirac_Sea.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

From: David Roberson 

 

A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the
CMB.  Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and
is supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive
objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation of material could occur
in matter that has no way to release the gravitational energy by radiation
as with normal matter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by the
condensation of the dark matter.

 

Or . perhaps dark matter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ?

 

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html

On Monday, April 28, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  *From:* David Roberson



 A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the
 CMB.  Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and
 is supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive
 objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation of material could
 occur in matter that has no way to release the gravitational energy by
 radiation as with normal matter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by
 the condensation of the dark matter.



 Or … perhaps dark matter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ?



 http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

Good question.  If dark matter and dark energy exist then they must have 
consequences.  The researchers may have been looking in the wrong places thus 
far.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 2:06 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?



From:David Roberson 
 
A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanationsfor the CMB.  
Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout theuniverse and is supposed 
to clump together around galaxy centers and otherlarge massive objects.  I have 
long wondered how this congregation ofmaterial could occur in matter that has 
no way to release the gravitationalenergy by radiation as with normal matter.  
Perhaps the CMB is generatedgradually by the condensation of the dark matter.
 
Or … perhaps darkmatter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ?
 
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie case for this 
premise:

 

1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an illusion 
in 3-space except for gravitational effects

2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter

3)CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation from the Dirac 
sea

 

Now comes the interesting part. Can this information, if valid, be put to use 
in alternative energy?

 

One seemingly obvious way to proceed is to consider CMB as a “leak” of some 
kind. If it is a leak, then we want to increase the flow rate. 

 

There are many ways to increase the flow rate of various streams, some of which 
are applicable to microwave photons … so let the games begin… 

 

From: ChemE Stewart 

 

http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html

From: David Roberson 

A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the CMB. 
 Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and is 
supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive 
objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation of material could occur in 
matter that has no way to release the gravitational energy by radiation as with 
normal matter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by the condensation of 
the dark matter. 

Or … perhaps dark matter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ? 

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Axil Axil

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2011/nov/17/how-to-turn-darkness-into-light

Photons are formed from the vacuum as a part of the virtual particle
formation process. But do photons give up vacuum energy if they
annihilate with their antiparticle? Does the photon have an
antiparticle(antiphoton) that can give back energy to the vacuum?

If there is no anti-photon, won't the virtual photon made real over time
add somehow to the CBR?

Can someone explain how the Casmir virtual photon process works to keep the
vacuum energy balanced at zero?


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie case for
 this premise:



 1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an
 illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects

 2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter

 3)CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation from the
 Dirac sea



 Now comes the interesting part. Can this information, if valid, be put to
 use in alternative energy?



 One seemingly obvious way to proceed is to consider CMB as a “leak” of
 some kind. If it is a leak, then we want to increase the flow rate.



 There are many ways to increase the flow rate of various streams, some of
 which are applicable to microwave photons … so let the games begin…



 *From:* ChemE Stewart



 http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html

 *From:* David Roberson

 A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the
 CMB.  Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and
 is supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive
 objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation of material could
 occur in matter that has no way to release the gravitational energy by
 radiation as with normal matter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by
 the condensation of the dark matter.

 Or … perhaps dark matter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ?

 http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread H Veeder

Could the dirac sea also explain the observed red shift?
Harry


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie case for
 this premise:



 1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an
 illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects

 2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter

 3)CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation from the
 Dirac sea



 Now comes the interesting part. Can this information, if valid, be put to
 use in alternative energy?



 One seemingly obvious way to proceed is to consider CMB as a “leak” of
 some kind. If it is a leak, then we want to increase the flow rate.



 There are many ways to increase the flow rate of various streams, some of
 which are applicable to microwave photons … so let the games begin…



 *From:* ChemE Stewart



 http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html

 *From:* David Roberson

 A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the
 CMB.  Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and
 is supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive
 objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation of material could
 occur in matter that has no way to release the gravitational energy by
 radiation as with normal matter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by
 the condensation of the dark matter.

 Or … perhaps dark matter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ?

 http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an
illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects

In addition to gravitational effects I think it is electromagnetic (think
magnetosphere) and weakly ionizing/decaying 3-space (think ionosphere) and
electromagnetic/lightning discharge during storms and decaying and
condensing surroundings creating protons and creating WATER (think
troposphere and low pressure weather disturbances).O2 + quantum vacuum
ionization energy ---2O-- + 4H+ = 2H2O.  If you ionize oxygen you get
nitrogen, which between the two make up most of the atmosphere.

2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter

Agreed

3)CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation from the
Dirac sea

Agreed.  I think the residual radiation changes because the Dirac Sea
varies in vacuum concentration - it is stringy and brany.  I think the Sun
is vomiting this stuff at us and leaking branes, i.e. the Earth is
pulling a vacuum on the Sun.

Our oceans/water are really a result of our decayed/condensed quantum
gravity field.

I am still thinking the electromagnetic pulsed field from a magnetron or
klystron is possibly causing the Dirac sea to leak protons or
something...Maybe nature pulls positive charge from the vacuum to offset
the electromagnetic field from a Doppler to keep a balance?

I think it relates to the Doppler Shift. Dopplers signals get warped and
bent and are subject to anomolous clear air reflections all of the time.


On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie case for
 this premise:



 1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an
 illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects

 2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter

 3)CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation from the
 Dirac sea



 Now comes the interesting part. Can this information, if valid, be put to
 use in alternative energy?



 One seemingly obvious way to proceed is to consider CMB as a “leak” of
 some kind. If it is a leak, then we want to increase the flow rate.



 There are many ways to increase the flow rate of various streams, some of
 which are applicable to microwave photons … so let the games begin…



 *From:* ChemE Stewart



 http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html

 *From:* David Roberson

 A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the
 CMB.  Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and
 is supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive
 objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation of material could
 occur in matter that has no way to release the gravitational energy by
 radiation as with normal matter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by
 the condensation of the dark matter.

 Or … perhaps dark matter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ?

 http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

Here is another interesting question to ponder.  If dark matter interacts with 
other dark matter, is that the source of dark energy?  This thought is along 
the lines of: Conservation of Dark Matter and Energy.  E=M*c*c where the M is 
dark matter and E is dark energy.

If, as we appear to be considering, dark matter interacts very slowly among 
itself and at least one of the results is CMB, could another effect be the 
force that is driving the stars apart?   As Jones seems to be suggesting it 
would be quite useful if a method can be found to enhance that conversion rate 
to power our world.  It seems logical to believe that there exists an enormous 
amount of energy that we so far have not tapped which is currently expanding 
the universe.

Has anyone seen a calculation of the total amount of energy contained in the 
CMB?  Since it propagates throughout the universe and is present to a degree at 
every location, there must be a lot of it around.  It would appear that this 
trapped energy would love to find freedom of movement by expanding the region 
that it occupies.  This process should result in an expansive force.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?



1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an illusion 
in 3-space except for gravitational effects

In addition to gravitational effects I think it is electromagnetic (think 
magnetosphere) and weakly ionizing/decaying 3-space (think ionosphere) and 
electromagnetic/lightning discharge during storms and decaying and condensing 
surroundings creating protons and creating WATER (think troposphere and low 
pressure weather disturbances).O2 + quantum vacuum ionization energy ---2O-- + 
4H+ = 2H2O.  If you ionize oxygen you get nitrogen, which between the two make 
up most of the atmosphere.
2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter
Agreed
3)CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation from the Dirac 
sea
Agreed.  I think the residual radiation changes because the Dirac Sea varies in 
vacuum concentration - it is stringy and brany.  I think the Sun is vomiting 
this stuff at us and leaking branes, i.e. the Earth is pulling a vacuum on 
the Sun.
Our oceans/water are really a result of our decayed/condensed quantum gravity 
field.
I am still thinking the electromagnetic pulsed field from a magnetron or 
klystron is possibly causing the Dirac sea to leak protons or 
something...Maybe nature pulls positive charge from the vacuum to offset the 
electromagnetic field from a Doppler to keep a balance?

I think it relates to the Doppler Shift. Dopplers signals get warped and bent 
and are subject to anomolous clear air reflections all of the time.




On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:


Taking all of thistogether, there seems to exist a prima facie case for this 
premise:
 
1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is anillusion 
in 3-space except for gravitational effects
2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter
3)CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation fromthe Dirac 
sea
 
Now comes the interestingpart. Can this information, if valid, be put to use in 
alternative energy?
 
One seemingly obvious wayto proceed is to consider CMB as a “leak” of some 
kind. If it is a leak, then wewant to increase the flow rate. 
 
There are many ways toincrease the flow rate of various streams, some of which 
are applicable tomicrowave photons … so let the games begin… 
 
From:ChemE Stewart 
 
http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html


From:David Roberson 
A thought just came to mewhile considering alternate explanations for the CMB.  
Dark matter isassumed to be distributed throughout the universe and is supposed 
to clumptogether around galaxy centers and other large massive objects.  I 
havelong wondered how this congregation of material could occur in matter that 
hasno way to release the gravitational energy by radiation as with 
normalmatter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by the condensation of 
thedark matter. 
Or … perhaps dark matteris another aspect of the Dirac Sea ? 
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Terry Blanton

Dark energy is likely the source of the force which drives stars apart.

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

Yeah, that is how it was determined to exist in the first place.  Now I wonder 
if the actual process leading to the force that drives the stars apart is CMB 
radiation?  The thought is that CMB exists throughout the universe and is 
approximately equal in all directions of propagation.  It is basically pent up 
energy and must want to expand into a larger space.

I think of it like what would happen if you have a photon of light trapped 
between two perfect mirrors.  Momentum and energy is deposited upon each mirror 
every time a reflection takes place.  Eventually all of the momentum and energy 
ends up in the mirrors.  Before that happens it appears as though a continuous 
force is pushing them apart which comes in pulses timed by the reflections.

I suppose that the total energy of the CMB would be reduced with time under the 
conditions considered above so it would have to be refreshed by the stored dark 
energy reservoir.  As we were wildly speculating earlier perhaps the 
interaction of the dark matter with itself performs that resupply.  Can 
gravitational collapse of dark matter convert into dark energy?

Dave

 

 

 

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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 5:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?


Dark energy is likely the source of the force which drives stars apart.

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

I kinda thought it is converting baryonic matter in space back to
dark/vacuum constantly. Ionize, condense and collapse back into vacuum

On Monday, April 28, 2014, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Yeah, that is how it was determined to exist in the first place.  Now I
 wonder if the actual process leading to the force that drives the stars
 apart is CMB radiation?  The thought is that CMB exists throughout the
 universe and is approximately equal in all directions of propagation.  It
 is basically pent up energy and must want to expand into a larger space.

 I think of it like what would happen if you have a photon of light trapped
 between two perfect mirrors.  Momentum and energy is deposited upon each
 mirror every time a reflection takes place.  Eventually all of the momentum
 and energy ends up in the mirrors.  Before that happens it appears as
 though a continuous force is pushing them apart which comes in pulses timed
 by the reflections.

 I suppose that the total energy of the CMB would be reduced with time
 under the conditions considered above so it would have to be refreshed by
 the stored dark energy reservoir.  As we were wildly speculating earlier
 perhaps the interaction of the dark matter with itself performs that
 resupply.  Can gravitational collapse of dark matter convert into dark
 energy?

 Dave



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  Dark energy is likely the source of the force which drives stars apart.

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread Bob Cook

Axil--

The article cited below has the following explanation of the Casmir effect in a 
static situation of two mirrors:

This attractive force is caused by the radiation pressure exerted by 
virtual photons outside the mirrors and the fact that this pressure exceeds 
the pressure between the mirrors because of the limited number of modes of 
electromagnetic vibration that are permitted within this gap. In other 
words, the force results from a mismatch of electromagnetic modes in space. 
  

Sounds like a new  EMMMF  (electro-magnetic modes mismatch force) force for 
consideration in LENR energy coupling  and overcoming electro static barriers 
between items making up a conduction surface between two nano particles of the 
external surfaces of a hollow nano cylinder.   Such a force may be all that is 
required to force a H close enough to a Ni surfaces being squeezed by EMMMF to 
react. 

The quoted  statement does not explain the force as far as I can tell.  
However,  It refers to radiation pressure which is caused by a transfer of 
linear momentum between the virtual photon and the real matter electrons of the 
real mirror.  This suggests that a virtual photon and a real photon have the 
same effect on matter.  It seems to imply that the flux of virtual photons with 
its integrated momentum hitting the mirror from the inside is less than the 
flux and momentum of the virtual photons hitting the mirror from the outside 
because fewer occupy the vacuum between the mirrors as a result of the limited 
number of modes allowed per a unit of 2-D space. Also in the 2-D space it 
may be that their direction of propagation is limited along in a plane such 
that a transfer of momentum normal to the plane does not exist.  

I wonder what determines the energy/momentum of the virtual photons in the 
vacuum inside and outside the mirrors' surfaces.If there is a spectrum of 
energy of the virtual photons, what determines that?  It seems a measure of the 
static Casmir force would allow a calculation of the  of the density of virtual 
photons in the vacuum at virtual temperatures along with the changing 
constraint on the modes of E/M vibration density as the space approaches a 2-D 
condition.  This may  allow determining what that  virtual temperature is and 
hence the expected spectrum of the virtual photons in the vacuum.  

If the ambient virtual temperature of the vacuum explains the comsic background 
microwave spectrum, wouldn't that be note worthy for the astrophysics guys?

Finally, I had a problem visualizing the thinness of the mirrors in a real 
experiment.  Also that they apparently reflect from both sides equally.  

Bob   
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  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?


  
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2011/nov/17/how-to-turn-darkness-into-light


  Photons are formed from the vacuum as a part of the virtual particle 
formation process. But do photons give up vacuum energy if they annihilate with 
their antiparticle? Does the photon have an antiparticle(antiphoton) that can 
give back energy to the vacuum?


  If there is no anti-photon, won't the virtual photon made real over time add 
somehow to the CBR?


  Can someone explain how the Casmir virtual photon process works to keep the 
vacuum energy balanced at zero? 



  On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie case for 
this premise:



1)Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an 
illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects

2)The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter

3)CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation from the 
Dirac sea



Now comes the interesting part. Can this information, if valid, be put to 
use in alternative energy?



One seemingly obvious way to proceed is to consider CMB as a “leak” of some 
kind. If it is a leak, then we want to increase the flow rate. 



There are many ways to increase the flow rate of various streams, some of 
which are applicable to microwave photons … so let the games begin… 



From: ChemE Stewart 



http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html

From: David Roberson 

A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for the 
CMB.  Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the universe and is 
supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and other large massive 
objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation of material could occur in 
matter that has no way to release the gravitational energy by radiation as with 
normal matter.  Perhaps the CMB is generated gradually by the condensation of 
the dark matter. 

Or … perhaps dark matter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ?

RE: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?

2014-04-28 Thread MarkI-Zeropoint



That's easy!
  ;-)

Reduce the turbulence in the stream, which for the Dirac Sea, means 
using an intense electric or magnetic field to polarize the vacuum...


-mark iverson

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Jones Beene wrote:

 Taking all of this together, there seems to exist a prima facie case 
for this premise:


1) Dark matter is inherent in the quantum vacuum, meaning it is an 
illusion in 3-space except for gravitational effects

2) The quantum vacuum = Dirac sea = dark matter
3) CMB is not a relic of a Big Bang but is residual radiation from 
the Dirac sea


Now comes the interesting part. Can this information, if valid, be put 
to use in alternative energy?


One seemingly obvious way to proceed is to consider CMB as a “leak” of 
some kind. If it is a leak, then we want to increase the flow rate.


There are many ways to increase the flow rate of various streams, some 
of which are applicable to microwave photons … so let the games begin…


From: ChemE Stewart

http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html 
http://m.phys.org/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html

From: David Roberson
A thought just came to me while considering alternate explanations for 
the CMB.  Dark matter is assumed to be distributed throughout the 
universe and is supposed to clump together around galaxy centers and 
other large massive objects.  I have long wondered how this congregation 
of material could occur in matter that has no way to release the 
gravitational energy by radiation as with normal matter.  Perhaps the 
CMB is generated gradually by the condensation of the dark matter.

Or … perhaps dark matter is another aspect of the Dirac Sea ?
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf 
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.2908.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Is the CMB leakage from Dirac's Sea?