Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
LOL. I do. Wireless technology :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Tom, you need a hobby. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over 24Ghz. But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential. For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH more effective. And as well, Lower modulations/speeds will likely occur per link, in order to reach further distances. But doing 1.5 miles at 99.999% is doable with 24Ghz at 100mbps, with multiple channels to choose from. (mine was 1.7 miles long). I'd argue that 24Ghz has more channel selections than 2.4Ghz, 900Mhz, and much larger ability for spectrum reuse. 24Ghz is an ideal choice for getting a LARGE number of PTP links into a small area. This is the fact WISPS are running out of Last Mile spectrum. The demand for higher speeds has come fast. WISPs need to start migrating profitable high capacity customers OFF of their 5.8Ghz PtMP sectors, so the capacity is available for their lower capacity higher volume target subscriber base. For many, there is no longer an option to add 5.8G APs, growth instead is acheived by moving large cpacity customers to new High capacity technologies, which today is only possible w/ PTP. The first thing to understand is There is absolutely a market and demand for increasing capacity to customers within a 1.5 mile radius. ANY provider in a URBAN or SUBURBAN market will have this demand. For example, in DC its only like 3 miles side to side, and narrow beamwidth links are needed. 60-80Ghz promised a solution, but never delivered. Low cost links are limited to .5 miles, and EXPENSIVE (3X cost of Horizon) gear can extend up to 2 miles. The second thing to understand is... Why would we choose 24Ghz over 23Ghz?. The questions to ask are... and answers following 1) Do we need licensed protection, in all cases? And the answer is No, we have 200 tenant buildings served with Unlicenced 5.x today. 2) Will WISPs pay $10K for an Unlicensed solution, for a unique solution if they need to? The answer is yes. People have been paying $10k for Redline and Orthogon PTPs for years. 3) Will WISPs do everything possible to save a dollar? The answer is yes, we have been trained to do that since birth :-) 4) Is $3000 License Costs a signficant amount to save for a WISP? Absolutely, yes. $3000 would buy 1-2 Trango TLink45s, dependant on Promos. Remember most WISPs are still funded through cash flow. $3000 is a small fortune. This comment is with the premise that 24Ghz product would be sold for equal or less money than its 23Ghz licensed counterpart. Trango nor WISPs have any benefit to giving our hard earned money to the FCC and licensing consultants. Take note that based on current Trango prices, a $3000 savings is like a 25% savings of the total link. Many buyers have chosen Trango over their previous vendor Dragonwave for as little as a 10% savings. What would a WISP do to save 25%? 5) Note... Grant money will usually buy equipment not licenses.. Leasing companies will approve leases for Equipment, and rarely for licenses taht can't be reposessed. A WISP could buy more radios with grant/lease money, if they were not limited by cash flow constraints to buy licenses. 6) Are there any reasons 24Ghz might be favored over 23Ghz? Answer yes. The very nature of WISPs are to deploy fast. Licensing takes advanced planning and often adds 2 months to the process. I will say that 50% of the sales our company made to date were because we could get a link to the customer Sooner. We didn't need to plan, we just executed action. It is a convenience factor. 24Ghz offers A) The ability to STOCK inventory on hand, without knowing in advance where it will be used. B) The ability to immediately place orders, without waiting for Freq Coords. C) 23Ghz does not allow temporary install after Freq Coord and application stage, and are not legally allowed to be deployed until after the license is actually granted, and I beleive has an additional step (by FCC to determine channel availabilty) beyond the initial end user ordered Freq coord, before the FCC can grant the license. D) The ability to immediately go install. ONLY thing needing done before installing, is a quick 5 minute path calc, with large odds success
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather than RUS. Any ideas on that? Yes. They didn't want Rural advocates to take all the money. Plus, RBOC want all the money for next generation fiber to the home, in more profitable areas to serve than rural. Also, its a situatiuon where this is a Stimulus Bill to create jobs, not necessarilly a bill to solve digital divide in Rural America. RUS is clearly only Rural focused. Thats my opinion on it. Whther that is the reason for sure, I do not know. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
My Dodge that's now a bucket truck... I towed a trailer with it to Klamath Falls and back... with the empty trailer, it was 13 mpg. Coming back, I had a 13,000 tractor on it. Truck and trailer total was 27,000 and I got 10.5 mpg, and even a 6% grade didn't get us down under 45mph. I never had to get lower than 4th gear (6 speed). You CAN get decent fuel economy, but it requires certain ... qualities to your rig. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL. It's the one with the 3rd seat. I'm only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally loaded. It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws. I did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show up at first. The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach. Everything else sits well inside. As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter and cold in the summer. The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too. Best of all? No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one. EVERYONE knows my rig. That alone is a nice sales too. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
dodge is expecting to have a Cummins powered half ton in 2010 or 2011 model year. It's expected to be able to pull off near 30 mpg. Ford and Toyota dropped their plans for light duty diesel pickups, Chrysler has not. I would not even think of owning a Mahindra. They're known around the world as a not very funny joke compared to well built stuff. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Sooner or later, someone will do a 1/2 ton diesel electric hybrid truck , and it should be able to do at least 40 mpg if they do it right. It looks like these guys might be the ones to do it. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/11/mahindra-appalachian-diesel-pickup-arrives-in-us-next-year-dies/ John Mark Nash wrote: I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL. It's the one with the 3rd seat. I'm only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally loaded. It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws. I did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show up at first. The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach. Everything else sits well inside. As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the
[WISPA] tower site management
Hi All, I've got a tower owner that's got a now nearly empty tower or about 80' on the top of a 700 foot hill. He doesn't want the hassle of dealing with people that would like to go up there. He would, however, be interested in more rent money. It's been suggested that I manage the site and somehow split any revenue with him. Is anyone else doing this? How do you go about such an arraignment? Anyone have a contract I can use as a boiler plate? Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
On the up side, we already deliver advanced broadband out here. And NONE of the cell phone companies do. Heck, I only know of one town that has DSL of 2 megs up. marlon - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user data transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol wireless network; (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream; So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, advanced broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service SHOULD BE 3/1 mbps WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL. It's the one with the 3rd seat. I'm only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally loaded. It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws. I did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show up at first. The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach. Everything else sits
Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
Get rid of Norton. It's crap software these days. www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better. Norton and MacAfee make my phone ring all of the time. Stop Sign has been amazing. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds and ends IP scans. Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version wont let me exclude it. Anybody have a program like it (windows) that I might Try that you like. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL. It's the one with the 3rd seat.
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
We are facing two simultaneous issues at some of our sites. I'm sure we're not the only ones with such dilemas. 1. We've run out of 5.8ghz spectrum. This can be addressed by changing to 5.4ghz or 3.65ghz for some of the shorter backhauls. 2. The normal 5ghz upto-45mbps stuff isn't fast enough for some of our links in the near future. Faster 5ghz stuff uses more spectrum; see dilema 1. On the low end, to conserve 5.8 spectrum, we've taken out some BA-II 2.4ghz stuff to clean up our spectrum and done 2.4ghz G links on 10mhz to low end longer distance links such as MT crossroads horizontally polarized. On the middle of the scale, we've upgraded some b14/b28 gear to Trangolink45 to get more speed out of existing links and spectrum. On the high end, there are some shorter distance 5.8ghz links we could replace with 5.4, but that sort of investment would only accomplish one of the goals, which is to preserve 5.8 spectrum. That investment would not increase our speed at all. If I'm going to replace those links with an upgrade, it should be substantially faster, and a 24ghz unlicensed link could accomplish that in many cases. I'm in a rural area, so I'm not really worried about interference of 24ghz (or any frequency used strictly for ptp). We do have other wisps using 5.8,2.4,900, and cell and phone companies doing 5.8 backhauls to contend with. Most of the interference is from ptmp gear of my own and others, and some from colocated backhaul gear of the other mentioned sources. 24ghz should be really easy to avoid interference if used strictly for ptp links. For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:21:11PM -0800, John Seaman wrote: Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are very low. We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency. I do know that in Canada there is good demnand for 24 GHz (since licensing fees are extremely high) .. but here is the US, the licensing costs are so low that most users prefer to go with licensed band.. at least that has been our perception of the market so far. I would like to hear others view points on 24 GHz. John -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link The only reason we don't attach it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used with any dish with a waveguide flange. Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed slower DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed dish. As someone who has now used both the Trango and Dragonwave products, I can honestly say they are both very fine products, and a buyer couldn't possibly go wrong with either purchase decission. But, we have reached a point where a buyer does not HAVE TO accept a significant technical compromise anymore to gain a better price. I will not get into a debate of which product is better, as there are very tiny differences that might be more or less preferable dependant on the buyer's application or personal preference. But I will say, Dragonwave will lose sales, if they try to keep their price higher, and at minimum are at a stage requiring price matching. There was a time that Dragonwave was considered the premium product, but today there are many buyers that would argue the opposite that Trango is now becomming the more premium product. I'll leave that decission to the prospective buyer. What I'd like to see from Dragonwave, is for them to give their distributors better prices consistently by default, so they can be more competitive. I think their quality resellers deserve that assistance, and the markup they add to generate sales. What I'd like to see from Trango, is for them to embrace 24Ghz, and add it to their collection. There is a Huge market for this, to empower WISPs to close deals and isntall links without delay. (even if they were converted to 23Ghz licensed down the road). What would be really cool, is a 23Ghz unit that was wideband and supported 23Ghz through 24Ghz, where software implemented the neccessary power reductions at 24Ghz unlicensed to keep it legal, when the channel was selected. I do not know if that is technically acheivable or not, without compromise. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
It was a combined 40 mpg. You're correct in that hybrids don't have any better highway mpg than regular engines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Hmm that's an interesting footnote the green peace doesn't leave. Not better at all on the highway? On 2/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It was a combined 40 mpg. You're correct in that hybrids don't have any better highway mpg than regular engines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Well, I wouldn't say not better at all. They are somewhat better, but the bigger benefit is in the city where you brake alot, have stop and go traffic, etc. City mileage will be better than highway. I get 35ish highway, 42ish city in my first generation (2001) prius. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: Hmm that's an interesting footnote the green peace doesn't leave. Not better at all on the highway? On 2/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It was a combined 40 mpg. You're correct in that hybrids don't have any better highway mpg than regular engines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
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Depends on your definition of highway, but not due to the hybrid itself. Better aerodynamics and powertrain engineering may make it better. The hybrid technology runs out of juice before what I consider highway would have elapsed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Hmm that's an interesting footnote the green peace doesn't leave. Not better at all on the highway? On 2/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It was a combined 40 mpg. You're correct in that hybrids don't have any better highway mpg than regular engines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com
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I use my 07 Prius for sales and lite service in the flat lands of California, 60 in town, 42 hwy, avg over 35000 miles 46.2 Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Depends on your definition of highway, but not due to the hybrid itself. Better aerodynamics and powertrain engineering may make it better. The hybrid technology runs out of juice before what I consider highway would have elapsed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Hmm that's an interesting footnote the green peace doesn't leave. Not better at all on the highway? On 2/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It was a combined 40 mpg. You're correct in that hybrids don't have any better highway mpg than regular engines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46 e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Uti lity.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy _osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I wanted to clear up, a signficant undersight in my previous post. There are additional options for 100mbps FDX 24Ghz unlicensed link. Cable-Free wireless, http://www.cablefree.co.uk/ has a 24Ghz unlicensed product shipping, for sub $9k. Likely significantly less, but I'll leave detailed price quotes to the manufacturer. The last I remember the Cable-Free product was a split archetecture, that allowed additional savings, by sharing indoor unit for dual ODUs. The unit can do faster than 100mbps (250mbps?), but personally, I don't think its practical, based on low power of 24Ghz. I will also add, that the Cable-free lacked adaptive modulation. That feature really is not needed, for 24Ghz that is using a lower modulation already (I think its QAM16 for 100mbps FDX.) So the Cable-Free solution may be the price leader today, for a quality 24Ghz product. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Unfortunately, it's the same as getting a new license...the only difference comes in application fees If it's a BRAND NEW tower with nothing -- you pay the FCC $640 / site for a new application If it's a MODIFICATION to an existing tower with a license -- you pay the FCC $240 / site for a major modification -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On this subject Charles, others: Whats the process of making a change to an existing license? Let say I wish to move to one tower 1/4 mile away? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link We are facing two simultaneous issues at some of our sites. I'm sure we're not the only ones with such dilemas. 1. We've run out of 5.8ghz spectrum. This can be addressed by changing to 5.4ghz or 3.65ghz for some of the shorter backhauls. 2. The normal 5ghz upto-45mbps stuff isn't fast enough for some of our links in the near future. Faster 5ghz stuff uses more spectrum; see dilema 1. On the low end, to conserve 5.8 spectrum, we've taken out some BA-II 2.4ghz stuff to clean up our spectrum and done 2.4ghz G links on 10mhz to low end longer distance links such as MT crossroads horizontally polarized. On the middle of the scale, we've upgraded some b14/b28 gear to Trangolink45 to get more speed out of existing links and spectrum. On the high end, there are some shorter distance 5.8ghz links we could replace with 5.4, but that sort of investment would only accomplish one of the goals, which is to preserve 5.8 spectrum. That investment would not increase our speed at all. If I'm going to replace those links with an upgrade, it should be substantially faster, and a 24ghz unlicensed link could accomplish that in many cases. I'm in a rural area, so I'm not really worried about interference of 24ghz (or any frequency used strictly for ptp). We do have other wisps using 5.8,2.4,900, and cell and phone companies doing 5.8 backhauls to contend with. Most of the interference is from ptmp gear of my own and others, and some from colocated backhaul gear of the other mentioned sources. 24ghz should be really easy to avoid interference if used strictly for ptp links. For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:21:11PM -0800, John Seaman wrote: Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are very low. We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency. I do know that in Canada there is good demnand for 24 GHz (since licensing fees are extremely high) .. but here is the US, the licensing costs are so low that most users prefer to go with licensed band.. at least that has been our perception of the market so far. I would like to hear others view points on 24 GHz. John -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link The only reason we don't attach it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used with any dish with a waveguide flange. Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed slower DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed dish. As someone who has now used both the Trango and Dragonwave products, I can honestly say they are both very fine products, and a buyer couldn't possibly go wrong with either purchase decission. But, we have reached a point where a buyer does not HAVE TO accept a significant technical compromise anymore to gain a better price. I will not get into a debate of which product is better, as there are very tiny differences that might be more or less preferable dependant on the buyer's application or personal preference. But I will say, Dragonwave will lose sales, if they try to keep their price higher, and at minimum are at a stage requiring price matching. There was a time that Dragonwave was considered the premium product, but today there are many buyers that
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down solely to price technical specifications When talking about Point-to-Point links (as opposed to a Point-to-Multipoint system) -- company sustainability / support (be it Dragonwave vs. Trango) isn't really that crucial, given that (1) most WISPs should know how to setup and configure their own radios and (2) most point-to-point links sit as a self-contained system To illustrate 1. How much support is really needed on a point-to-point link -- if by now, you can't figure out how to install one of these links with at the most some basic phone support, then you may need to rethink whether or not you should be in the WISP business =) That said...after an initial learning curve, and assuming that radios are properly installed (e.g., grounded, etc) -- point-to-points are generally forgotten about in the network So, say you buy a point-to-point Trango or Dragonwave backhaul -- you install it...works fine -- 36 months later Trango or Dragonwave goes completely bankrupt Who cares? For your next link...go buy a Trango/Dragonwave/Ceragon/Harris/Nera/whatever -- the installed link will continue to work -- and by then, you'll be looking to upgrade your backhauls anyways -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it. Define cost effective? You can do 100 mb full duplex RIGHT NOW for under $10k -- includes radios, antennas, licensing services -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill. The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user data transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol wireless network; (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream; So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, advanced broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service SHOULD BE 3/1 mbps WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1943 - Release Date: 2/10/2009 7:20 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on availability. Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting the license? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Unfortunately, it's the same as getting a new license...the only difference comes in application fees If it's a BRAND NEW tower with nothing -- you pay the FCC $640 / site for a new application If it's a MODIFICATION to an existing tower with a license -- you pay the FCC $240 / site for a major modification -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On this subject Charles, others: Whats the process of making a change to an existing license? Let say I wish to move to one tower 1/4 mile away? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link We are facing two simultaneous issues at some of our sites. I'm sure we're not the only ones with such dilemas. 1. We've run out of 5.8ghz spectrum. This can be addressed by changing to 5.4ghz or 3.65ghz for some of the shorter backhauls. 2. The normal 5ghz upto-45mbps stuff isn't fast enough for some of our links in the near future. Faster 5ghz stuff uses more spectrum; see dilema 1. On the low end, to conserve 5.8 spectrum, we've taken out some BA-II 2.4ghz stuff to clean up our spectrum and done 2.4ghz G links on 10mhz to low end longer distance links such as MT crossroads horizontally polarized. On the middle of the scale, we've upgraded some b14/b28 gear to Trangolink45 to get more speed out of existing links and spectrum. On the high end, there are some shorter distance 5.8ghz links we could replace with 5.4, but that sort of investment would only accomplish one of the goals, which is to preserve 5.8 spectrum. That investment would not increase our speed at all. If I'm going to replace those links with an upgrade, it should be substantially faster, and a 24ghz unlicensed link could accomplish that in many cases. I'm in a rural area, so I'm not really worried about interference of 24ghz (or any frequency used strictly for ptp). We do have other wisps using 5.8,2.4,900, and cell and phone companies doing 5.8 backhauls to contend with. Most of the interference is from ptmp gear of my own and others, and some from colocated backhaul gear of the other mentioned sources. 24ghz should be really easy to avoid interference if used strictly for ptp links. For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:21:11PM -0800, John Seaman wrote: Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are very low. We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency. I do know that in Canada there is good demnand for 24 GHz (since licensing fees are extremely high) .. but here is the US, the licensing costs are so low that most users prefer to go with licensed band.. at least that has been our perception of the market so far. I would like to hear others view points on 24 GHz. John -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link The only reason we don't attach it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used with any dish with a waveguide flange. Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed slower DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed dish. As someone who has now used both the Trango and Dragonwave products, I can honestly say they are both very fine products, and a buyer couldn't possibly go wrong with either purchase decission. But, we have reached a point where a buyer does not HAVE TO accept a significant technical compromise anymore to gain a better price. I will not get into a debate of which product is better, as there are very tiny
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing they no nothing about. Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill. The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user data transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol wireless network; (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream; So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, advanced broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service SHOULD BE 3/1 mbps WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1943 - Release Date: 2/10/2009 7:20 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.22/1946 - Release Date: 2/11/2009 11:13 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
The biggest thing I look for is who has my back when there is an outage. (Unfortunately at this point I have zero experience with Trango licensed equipment so I can't comment there.) I have dealt with Ceragon, Harris/Stratex, Dragonwave and others. All make good product. While pricing may make a decision in most peoples minds it doesn't in mine. When running high priority links I look for a manufacturer with a track record for support, not sales or price. I have consistently seen miracles performed by Dragonwave when we have had the occasional bad radio. I had a service issue at 6:30 PM eastern time here one night and I had an advanced replacement radio in my hands before 9am the following morning. And they're in freakin' CANADA! I don't know how but it happened, Customs and all. Considering 90% of my business is installation and service, I need a provider that supports me. I also agree on the need for a 24 Ghz. unit. I would love to have a 100 Mb FDX system that only did a mile or so. Sub $10K. All integrated. -B- Charles Wu wrote: My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down solely to price technical specifications When talking about Point-to-Point links (as opposed to a Point-to-Multipoint system) -- company sustainability / support (be it Dragonwave vs. Trango) isn't really that crucial, given that (1) most WISPs should know how to setup and configure their own radios and (2) most point-to-point links sit as a self-contained system To illustrate 1. How much support is really needed on a point-to-point link -- if by now, you can't figure out how to install one of these links with at the most some basic phone support, then you may need to rethink whether or not you should be in the WISP business =) That said...after an initial learning curve, and assuming that radios are properly installed (e.g., grounded, etc) -- point-to-points are generally forgotten about in the network So, say you buy a point-to-point Trango or Dragonwave backhaul -- you install it...works fine -- 36 months later Trango or Dragonwave goes completely bankrupt Who cares? For your next link...go buy a Trango/Dragonwave/Ceragon/Harris/Nera/whatever -- the installed link will continue to work -- and by then, you'll be looking to upgrade your backhauls anyways -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
On a similar subject, where I would report a operating 18 ghz link without license ? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Unfortunately, it's the same as getting a new license...the only difference comes in application fees If it's a BRAND NEW tower with nothing -- you pay the FCC $640 / site for a new application If it's a MODIFICATION to an existing tower with a license -- you pay the FCC $240 / site for a major modification -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On this subject Charles, others: Whats the process of making a change to an existing license? Let say I wish to move to one tower 1/4 mile away? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link We are facing two simultaneous issues at some of our sites. I'm sure we're not the only ones with such dilemas. 1. We've run out of 5.8ghz spectrum. This can be addressed by changing to 5.4ghz or 3.65ghz for some of the shorter backhauls. 2. The normal 5ghz upto-45mbps stuff isn't fast enough for some of our links in the near future. Faster 5ghz stuff uses more spectrum; see dilema 1. On the low end, to conserve 5.8 spectrum, we've taken out some BA-II 2.4ghz stuff to clean up our spectrum and done 2.4ghz G links on 10mhz to low end longer distance links such as MT crossroads horizontally polarized. On the middle of the scale, we've upgraded some b14/b28 gear to Trangolink45 to get more speed out of existing links and spectrum. On the high end, there are some shorter distance 5.8ghz links we could replace with 5.4, but that sort of investment would only accomplish one of the goals, which is to preserve 5.8 spectrum. That investment would not increase our speed at all. If I'm going to replace those links with an upgrade, it should be substantially faster, and a 24ghz unlicensed link could accomplish that in many cases. I'm in a rural area, so I'm not really worried about interference of 24ghz (or any frequency used strictly for ptp). We do have other wisps using 5.8,2.4,900, and cell and phone companies doing 5.8 backhauls to contend with. Most of the interference is from ptmp gear of my own and others, and some from colocated backhaul gear of the other mentioned sources. 24ghz should be really easy to avoid interference if used strictly for ptp links. For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:21:11PM -0800, John Seaman wrote: Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are very low. We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency. I do know that in Canada there is good demnand for 24 GHz (since licensing fees are extremely high) .. but here is the US, the licensing costs are so low that most users prefer to go with licensed band.. at least that has been our perception of the market so far. I would like to hear others view points on 24 GHz. John -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link The only reason we don't attach it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used with any dish with a waveguide flange. Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed slower DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed dish. As someone who has now used both the Trango and Dragonwave products, I can honestly say they are both very fine products, and a buyer couldn't possibly go wrong with either purchase decission. But, we have reached a point where a buyer does not HAVE TO accept a significant technical compromise anymore to gain a better price. I will not get into a debate of which product is better, as there are very tiny differences that might be more or less preferable dependant on the buyer's application
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if your ODU fails in two years... and the company you purchased it from no longer exists... your kinda screwed aren't you? Long term support should always be taken into consideration. For instance... look at Motorola/Orthogon. They end of lifed the PtP 400... but are going to support it with firmware releases, etc. for another five years. I don't think anyone doubts that it is going to happen either. I'm not saying Trango is about to go under... ultimately there is no way to really know since they are a private company. I personally have concerns about the company though... and it is something you should consider before you buy the gear. Obviously though... not everyone shares this view. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Sta tement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I'm worried that my tower gets hit by lightning... and the company has gone bankrupt so I have to buy a complete new link instead of just one ODU. That's a major cost... and I don't think there is going to be major improvements in the licensed world in the next few years... so I'd bet I'll be pretty happy with what I have installed. Also... what happens to those warranties if the company goes bankrupt? What if a firmware bug comes up... if the company does not exist they can't fix it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down solely to price technical specifications When talking about Point-to-Point links (as opposed to a Point-to- Multipoint system) -- company sustainability / support (be it Dragonwave vs. Trango) isn't really that crucial, given that (1) most WISPs should know how to setup and configure their own radios and (2) most point-to- point links sit as a self-contained system To illustrate 1. How much support is really needed on a point-to-point link -- if by now, you can't figure out how to install one of these links with at the most some basic phone support, then you may need to rethink whether or not you should be in the WISP business =) That said...after an initial learning curve, and assuming that radios are properly installed (e.g., grounded, etc) -- point-to-points are generally forgotten about in the network So, say you buy a point-to-point Trango or Dragonwave backhaul -- you install it...works fine -- 36 months later Trango or Dragonwave goes completely bankrupt Who cares? For your next link...go buy a Trango/Dragonwave/Ceragon/Harris/Nera/whatever -- the installed link will continue to work -- and by then, you'll be looking to upgrade your backhauls anyways -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Sta tement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
But not FCC Fees or power supplies :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it. Define cost effective? You can do 100 mb full duplex RIGHT NOW for under $10k -- includes radios, antennas, licensing services -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I'd hazard a guess you should be okay... Only way to tell is to do the RF Study and find out :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on availability. Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting the license? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Unfortunately, it's the same as getting a new license...the only difference comes in application fees If it's a BRAND NEW tower with nothing -- you pay the FCC $640 / site for a new application If it's a MODIFICATION to an existing tower with a license -- you pay the FCC $240 / site for a major modification -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On this subject Charles, others: Whats the process of making a change to an existing license? Let say I wish to move to one tower 1/4 mile away? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link We are facing two simultaneous issues at some of our sites. I'm sure we're not the only ones with such dilemas. 1. We've run out of 5.8ghz spectrum. This can be addressed by changing to 5.4ghz or 3.65ghz for some of the shorter backhauls. 2. The normal 5ghz upto-45mbps stuff isn't fast enough for some of our links in the near future. Faster 5ghz stuff uses more spectrum; see dilema 1. On the low end, to conserve 5.8 spectrum, we've taken out some BA-II 2.4ghz stuff to clean up our spectrum and done 2.4ghz G links on 10mhz to low end longer distance links such as MT crossroads horizontally polarized. On the middle of the scale, we've upgraded some b14/b28 gear to Trangolink45 to get more speed out of existing links and spectrum. On the high end, there are some shorter distance 5.8ghz links we could replace with 5.4, but that sort of investment would only accomplish one of the goals, which is to preserve 5.8 spectrum. That investment would not increase our speed at all. If I'm going to replace those links with an upgrade, it should be substantially faster, and a 24ghz unlicensed link could accomplish that in many cases. I'm in a rural area, so I'm not really worried about interference of 24ghz (or any frequency used strictly for ptp). We do have other wisps using 5.8,2.4,900, and cell and phone companies doing 5.8 backhauls to contend with. Most of the interference is from ptmp gear of my own and others, and some from colocated backhaul gear of the other mentioned sources. 24ghz should be really easy to avoid interference if used strictly for ptp links. For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:21:11PM -0800, John Seaman wrote: Thanks Tom, we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are very low. We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency. I do know that in Canada there is good demnand for 24 GHz (since licensing fees are extremely high) .. but here is the US, the licensing costs are so low that most users prefer to go with licensed band.. at least that has been our perception of the market so far. I would like to hear others view points on 24 GHz. John -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link The only reason we don't attach it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used with any dish with a waveguide flange. Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed slower DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed dish. As someone who has now used both the Trango and
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
I bought a DW 24ghz link for about $11k back in 10/08 2 footers with 150 Mbps capacity Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: The biggest thing I look for is who has my back when there is an outage. (Unfortunately at this point I have zero experience with Trango licensed equipment so I can't comment there.) I have dealt with Ceragon, Harris/Stratex, Dragonwave and others. All make good product. While pricing may make a decision in most peoples minds it doesn't in mine. When running high priority links I look for a manufacturer with a track record for support, not sales or price. I have consistently seen miracles performed by Dragonwave when we have had the occasional bad radio. I had a service issue at 6:30 PM eastern time here one night and I had an advanced replacement radio in my hands before 9am the following morning. And they're in freakin' CANADA! I don't know how but it happened, Customs and all. Considering 90% of my business is installation and service, I need a provider that supports me. I also agree on the need for a 24 Ghz. unit. I would love to have a 100 Mb FDX system that only did a mile or so. Sub $10K. All integrated. -B- Charles Wu wrote: My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down solely to price technical specifications When talking about Point-to-Point links (as opposed to a Point-to- Multipoint system) -- company sustainability / support (be it Dragonwave vs. Trango) isn't really that crucial, given that (1) most WISPs should know how to setup and configure their own radios and (2) most point-to-point links sit as a self-contained system To illustrate 1. How much support is really needed on a point-to-point link -- if by now, you can't figure out how to install one of these links with at the most some basic phone support, then you may need to rethink whether or not you should be in the WISP business =) That said...after an initial learning curve, and assuming that radios are properly installed (e.g., grounded, etc) -- point-to- points are generally forgotten about in the network So, say you buy a point-to-point Trango or Dragonwave backhaul -- you install it...works fine -- 36 months later Trango or Dragonwave goes completely bankrupt Who cares? For your next link...go buy a Trango/Dragonwave/Ceragon/ Harris/Nera/whatever -- the installed link will continue to work -- and by then, you'll be looking to upgrade your backhauls anyways -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Don't get me started on Motorola. IMHO they screwed up the Orthogon thing big time when they bought that company. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:47:09 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if your ODU fails in two years... and the company you purchased it from no longer exists... your kinda screwed aren't you? Long term support should always be taken into consideration. For instance... look at Motorola/Orthogon. They end of lifed the PtP 400... but are going to support it with firmware releases, etc. for another five years. I don't think anyone doubts that it is going to happen either. I'm not saying Trango is about to go under... ultimately there is no way to really know since they are a private company. I personally have concerns about the company though... and it is something you should consider before you buy the gear. Obviously though... not everyone shares this view. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Sta tement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Why ? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:14 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Don't get me started on Motorola. IMHO they screwed up the Orthogon thing big time when they bought that company. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:47:09 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if your ODU fails in two years... and the company you purchased it from no longer exists... your kinda screwed aren't you? Long term support should always be taken into consideration. For instance... look at Motorola/Orthogon. They end of lifed the PtP 400... but are going to support it with firmware releases, etc. for another five years. I don't think anyone doubts that it is going to happen either. I'm not saying Trango is about to go under... ultimately there is no way to really know since they are a private company. I personally have concerns about the company though... and it is something you should consider before you buy the gear. Obviously though... not everyone shares this view. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Sta tement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33:41PM -0600, Charles Wu wrote: For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it. Define cost effective? You can do 100 mb full duplex RIGHT NOW for under $10k -- includes radios, antennas, licensing services -Charles Well, if it can be done for a couple thousand less if licensing were not necessary, that would be even more attractive. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Another item that I would like to bring up... the US economy is in sad shape right now. So, if you are looking to buy a licensed radio set, are you better to send your money to Canada, or keep it here in the US? For all practical and "reasonable" items, DW and Trango both have a great ptp licensed radios. So, if everything is basically the same, why wouldn't you spend LESS money AND keep the money in the US? And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Sure... at the end of the day I guess that is all I care about too. But if your ODU fails in two years... and the company you purchased it from no longer exists... your kinda screwed aren't you? Long term support should always be taken into consideration. For instance... look at Motorola/Orthogon. They end of lifed the PtP 400... but are going to support it with firmware releases, etc. for another five years. I don't think anyone doubts that it is going to happen either. I'm not saying Trango is about to go under... ultimately there is no way to really know since they are a private company. I personally have concerns about the company though... and it is something you should consider before you buy the gear. Obviously though... not everyone shares this view. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows. Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small differences. Both companies have problems either financially or historically. I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation managers in us care about the business. As was said there is no wrong choice. Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where? On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter. Trango is, and has always been profitable. Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here... http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Sta tement s_Nov30%202008.pdf So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end. Anyways I used the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is profitability (net income) and cash flow The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in short term investments Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture of a start-up company that's trying to "get over the hump" So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming in less than Trango. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] broadband underserved data
Where can I obtain broadband underserved data? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data
I think it's going to vary by state Matt. I have yet to see any publicly available source on a nationwide basis, although the form 477 database would work nicely for that. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Where can I obtain broadband underserved data? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data
Seems like the FCC should publish that. Does WISPA know someone at the FCC who we can ask? -Matt On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Brian Webster wrote: I think it's going to vary by state Matt. I have yet to see any publicly available source on a nationwide basis, although the form 477 database would work nicely for that. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Where can I obtain broadband underserved data? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on availability. Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting the license? Hard to say...but keep in mind, we were able to get that license for you after Micronet said no-go That said, even though you have to place a PO, we make it a practice not to bill a customer if we are unable to obtain the frequencies for you to license -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Only half of the truth. Was the quote less... yes. Is it related to the conversation right now (i.e. Apex line vs. Dragonwave)... no. NOT APPLES TO APPLES. The particular quote was for a Trango GIGA line, not APEX (need for T-1 ports). In order to get the reliability needed, we had to quote a higher dish size with the GIGA because of modulation issues. The GIGA line will bring down the throughput during rain in order to keep the link going but not automatically bring it back to normal speeds. It is a brief time period but you have to bring the link down in order to fix it and up to +300mbps again. Because this customer has HIGH SLAs we had to be very careful that the link didn't go down. With a comparable Dragonwave, we were able to quote a smaller dish size due to automatic modulation. So, because of the raw cost of smaller dishes and then leasing costs of less space due to smaller dishes, the Dragonwave quote came in lower. This is an exception and not a rule. If it were not for the need of the T-1 ports, everything would have been normal pricing because the APEX line does speed up without the need of bringing the link down. This is the most popular option right now so there is a little misunderstanding. APPLES TO APPLES, the Trango APEX product will be 10-20% lower cost. Bottom line. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming in less than Trango. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3.65 Hpol sector antenna
Hi, Looking for a horizontally polarized 3.65ghz sector antenna. Something between 60 and 120 degrees. We have the Pac Wireless one installed now, but the performance seems to be lacking (maybe because it's only rated up to 3.60ghz?). We are off almost 10db from the path calcs. Any other choices out there? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Jeff, Can we put this to bed already? :) The Trango APEX with 2ft dishes and frequency coordination is $9,995 right now. Not sure how much the 300Mbps license key is? And the PoE and -48v power supplies? Can you please quote a _complete_ Trango APEX system and a _complete_ DW comparable system and post the numbers? Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Only half of the truth. Was the quote less... yes. Is it related to the conversation right now (i.e. Apex line vs. Dragonwave)... no. NOT APPLES TO APPLES. The particular quote was for a Trango GIGA line, not APEX (need for T-1 ports). In order to get the reliability needed, we had to quote a higher dish size with the GIGA because of modulation issues. The GIGA line will bring down the throughput during rain in order to keep the link going but not automatically bring it back to normal speeds. It is a brief time period but you have to bring the link down in order to fix it and up to +300mbps again. Because this customer has HIGH SLAs we had to be very careful that the link didn't go down. With a comparable Dragonwave, we were able to quote a smaller dish size due to automatic modulation. So, because of the raw cost of smaller dishes and then leasing costs of less space due to smaller dishes, the Dragonwave quote came in lower. This is an exception and not a rule. If it were not for the need of the T-1 ports, everything would have been normal pricing because the APEX line does speed up without the need of bringing the link down. This is the most popular option right now so there is a little misunderstanding. APPLES TO APPLES, the Trango APEX product will be 10-20% lower cost. Bottom line. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: And, CTI has published their exact pricing for the Trango. Why is nobody else putting out the DW price? I don't know, but our last quote from CTI had the DW coming in less than Trango. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
And everyone said I was a fool when I said the govenrment needed to stay OUT of the broadband business insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing they no nothing about. Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill. The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user data transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol wireless network; (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream; So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, advanced broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service SHOULD BE 3/1 mbps WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1943 - Release Date: 2/10/2009 7:20 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.22/1946 - Release Date: 2/11/2009 11:13 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data
Matt, You may find what you are looking for in some of the reports on this page. http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/comp.html Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:36 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Seems like the FCC should publish that. Does WISPA know someone at the FCC who we can ask? -Matt On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Brian Webster wrote: I think it's going to vary by state Matt. I have yet to see any publicly available source on a nationwide basis, although the form 477 database would work nicely for that. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Where can I obtain broadband underserved data? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
I have not had a single customer call or complaint from the users of Avast! anti-virus. It's pretty much just as effective as those phony firewall things, and an excellent anti-virus. Not to mention... it's FREE.A sizeable portion of my customer base has switched from Norton and McCaffee to Avast! on our reccommendation and as of yet, not one has reported a single complaint to me. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner Get rid of Norton. It's crap software these days. www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better. Norton and MacAfee make my phone ring all of the time. Stop Sign has been amazing. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds and ends IP scans. Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version wont let me exclude it. Anybody have a program like it (windows) that I might Try that you like. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Obviously a hybrid has a hybrid engine or it wouldn't be a hybrid. It can't kick the saved braking energy into a gas engine, hence the need for the second engine. As I understand it, a hybrid also saves because they are often designed to shut off the gas engine when coasting, slowing, stopped or idling (non hybrids *could* be designed that way too, if you trusted the engine to always start back up), and to provide an acceleration boost, allowing the gas engine to work in a more efficient range. A hybrid gains gas mileage at low speeds partly because it recovers braking energy, not because it has an electric engine per se. If you could recover braking energy and use it in a conventional car and shut off the engine when slowing, stopping, and idling, it'd have better gas mileage too when you drive slower due to reduce aero drag. The truth is, if you drove a hybrid for 400 miles at 30 MPH without braking and the same car with a conventional engine for 200 miles at 30 MPH without braking, you should end up with pretty much the same MPG. Starting a gas engine to charge a battery to run an electric engine loses energy every time an energy conversion is made (gas to mechanical to stored electrical back to mechanical). However, if you're accelerating a lot, the electric engine picks up a big advantage, especially if the driver is a lead foot, because that's what electrical engines are good at...going from stopped to 'fast' without a lot of waste. As far as I am aware, that is the primary reason to use *gas* to charge batteries to run an electric motor because otherwise it'd be *less* efficient, and IS less efficient in constant load driving (say highway driving in flat areas). On the other hand, at constant highway speeds, hybrid and conventional cars are essentially the same though hybrid cars are often designed with more attention to gas saving than conventional cars so they eke out a bit more for reasons that could have been applied to the conventional car (for example, possibly shutting off the engine when coasting down a slight hill). Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 9:44 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
I think I'll stick with my American gas guzzlers. Is it still true that hybrids cost so much upfront you won't save money on gas? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Obviously a hybrid has a hybrid engine or it wouldn't be a hybrid. It can't kick the saved braking energy into a gas engine, hence the need for the second engine. As I understand it, a hybrid also saves because they are often designed to shut off the gas engine when coasting, slowing, stopped or idling (non hybrids *could* be designed that way too, if you trusted the engine to always start back up), and to provide an acceleration boost, allowing the gas engine to work in a more efficient range. A hybrid gains gas mileage at low speeds partly because it recovers braking energy, not because it has an electric engine per se. If you could recover braking energy and use it in a conventional car and shut off the engine when slowing, stopping, and idling, it'd have better gas mileage too when you drive slower due to reduce aero drag. The truth is, if you drove a hybrid for 400 miles at 30 MPH without braking and the same car with a conventional engine for 200 miles at 30 MPH without braking, you should end up with pretty much the same MPG. Starting a gas engine to charge a battery to run an electric engine loses energy every time an energy conversion is made (gas to mechanical to stored electrical back to mechanical). However, if you're accelerating a lot, the electric engine picks up a big advantage, especially if the driver is a lead foot, because that's what electrical engines are good at...going from stopped to 'fast' without a lot of waste. As far as I am aware, that is the primary reason to use *gas* to charge batteries to run an electric motor because otherwise it'd be *less* efficient, and IS less efficient in constant load driving (say highway driving in flat areas). On the other hand, at constant highway speeds, hybrid and conventional cars are essentially the same though hybrid cars are often designed with more attention to gas saving than conventional cars so they eke out a bit more for reasons that could have been applied to the conventional car (for example, possibly shutting off the engine when coasting down a slight hill). Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 9:44 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
One other thing to consider: The gas engine in hybrids are often tuned down so they are just about gutless, but very lean on gas. On hot 115+ days here, the electric on my old Prius will shut off to keep the batteries from having problems. It's sometimes scary trying to pull out into an intersection in that condition. Randy Chuck Bartosch wrote: Obviously a hybrid has a hybrid engine or it wouldn't be a hybrid. It can't kick the saved braking energy into a gas engine, hence the need for the second engine. As I understand it, a hybrid also saves because they are often designed to shut off the gas engine when coasting, slowing, stopped or idling (non hybrids *could* be designed that way too, if you trusted the engine to always start back up), and to provide an acceleration boost, allowing the gas engine to work in a more efficient range. A hybrid gains gas mileage at low speeds partly because it recovers braking energy, not because it has an electric engine per se. If you could recover braking energy and use it in a conventional car and shut off the engine when slowing, stopping, and idling, it'd have better gas mileage too when you drive slower due to reduce aero drag. The truth is, if you drove a hybrid for 400 miles at 30 MPH without braking and the same car with a conventional engine for 200 miles at 30 MPH without braking, you should end up with pretty much the same MPG. Starting a gas engine to charge a battery to run an electric engine loses energy every time an energy conversion is made (gas to mechanical to stored electrical back to mechanical). However, if you're accelerating a lot, the electric engine picks up a big advantage, especially if the driver is a lead foot, because that's what electrical engines are good at...going from stopped to 'fast' without a lot of waste. As far as I am aware, that is the primary reason to use *gas* to charge batteries to run an electric motor because otherwise it'd be *less* efficient, and IS less efficient in constant load driving (say highway driving in flat areas). On the other hand, at constant highway speeds, hybrid and conventional cars are essentially the same though hybrid cars are often designed with more attention to gas saving than conventional cars so they eke out a bit more for reasons that could have been applied to the conventional car (for example, possibly shutting off the engine when coasting down a slight hill). Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 9:44 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark
Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data
That data is pretty poor. Worse, the data that looks useful is only available as a PDF instead of of usable data format for processing. -Matt On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Matt, You may find what you are looking for in some of the reports on this page. http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/comp.html Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:36 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Seems like the FCC should publish that. Does WISPA know someone at the FCC who we can ask? -Matt On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Brian Webster wrote: I think it's going to vary by state Matt. I have yet to see any publicly available source on a nationwide basis, although the form 477 database would work nicely for that. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Where can I obtain broadband underserved data? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
I have a friend in Fairbanks, AK.. He bikes everywhere (@-40!)... He laughs at prius drivers because they all have the heat on all the time! How do you get heat? You run the engine.. Constantly! heh! ryan Randy Cosby wrote: One other thing to consider: The gas engine in hybrids are often tuned down so they are just about gutless, but very lean on gas. On hot 115+ days here, the electric on my old Prius will shut off to keep the batteries from having problems. It's sometimes scary trying to pull out into an intersection in that condition. Randy Chuck Bartosch wrote: Obviously a hybrid has a hybrid engine or it wouldn't be a hybrid. It can't kick the saved braking energy into a gas engine, hence the need for the second engine. As I understand it, a hybrid also saves because they are often designed to shut off the gas engine when coasting, slowing, stopped or idling (non hybrids *could* be designed that way too, if you trusted the engine to always start back up), and to provide an acceleration boost, allowing the gas engine to work in a more efficient range. A hybrid gains gas mileage at low speeds partly because it recovers braking energy, not because it has an electric engine per se. If you could recover braking energy and use it in a conventional car and shut off the engine when slowing, stopping, and idling, it'd have better gas mileage too when you drive slower due to reduce aero drag. The truth is, if you drove a hybrid for 400 miles at 30 MPH without braking and the same car with a conventional engine for 200 miles at 30 MPH without braking, you should end up with pretty much the same MPG. Starting a gas engine to charge a battery to run an electric engine loses energy every time an energy conversion is made (gas to mechanical to stored electrical back to mechanical). However, if you're accelerating a lot, the electric engine picks up a big advantage, especially if the driver is a lead foot, because that's what electrical engines are good at...going from stopped to 'fast' without a lot of waste. As far as I am aware, that is the primary reason to use *gas* to charge batteries to run an electric motor because otherwise it'd be *less* efficient, and IS less efficient in constant load driving (say highway driving in flat areas). On the other hand, at constant highway speeds, hybrid and conventional cars are essentially the same though hybrid cars are often designed with more attention to gas saving than conventional cars so they eke out a bit more for reasons that could have been applied to the conventional car (for example, possibly shutting off the engine when coasting down a slight hill). Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 9:44 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15
Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data
Well, The definition has to be approved first. I'm not certain we've seen the final conference bill draft yet. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Where can I obtain broadband underserved data? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.22/1946 - Release Date: 2/11/2009 11:13 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data
Matt, Current;ly the definition the senate was looking at defined underserved as financially disabled. Financial info should likely be available online via government census sites, because its not just something specific to broadband. As far as unserved, thats their point of a mapping effort. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Seems like the FCC should publish that. Does WISPA know someone at the FCC who we can ask? -Matt On Feb 12, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Brian Webster wrote: I think it's going to vary by state Matt. I have yet to see any publicly available source on a nationwide basis, although the form 477 database would work nicely for that. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] broadband underserved data Where can I obtain broadband underserved data? -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.22/1946 - Release Date: 2/11/2009 11:13 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Until gas is about $4/gallon, yes. But, it depends if there's a subsidy on the car still, and which model you're getting. It's nearly impossible (for example) to recover the cost difference on a Toyota Highlander iirc. But the Highlander _does_ get better acceleration ;-). Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think I'll stick with my American gas guzzlers. Is it still true that hybrids cost so much upfront you won't save money on gas? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Obviously a hybrid has a hybrid engine or it wouldn't be a hybrid. It can't kick the saved braking energy into a gas engine, hence the need for the second engine. As I understand it, a hybrid also saves because they are often designed to shut off the gas engine when coasting, slowing, stopped or idling (non hybrids *could* be designed that way too, if you trusted the engine to always start back up), and to provide an acceleration boost, allowing the gas engine to work in a more efficient range. A hybrid gains gas mileage at low speeds partly because it recovers braking energy, not because it has an electric engine per se. If you could recover braking energy and use it in a conventional car and shut off the engine when slowing, stopping, and idling, it'd have better gas mileage too when you drive slower due to reduce aero drag. The truth is, if you drove a hybrid for 400 miles at 30 MPH without braking and the same car with a conventional engine for 200 miles at 30 MPH without braking, you should end up with pretty much the same MPG. Starting a gas engine to charge a battery to run an electric engine loses energy every time an energy conversion is made (gas to mechanical to stored electrical back to mechanical). However, if you're accelerating a lot, the electric engine picks up a big advantage, especially if the driver is a lead foot, because that's what electrical engines are good at...going from stopped to 'fast' without a lot of waste. As far as I am aware, that is the primary reason to use *gas* to charge batteries to run an electric motor because otherwise it'd be *less* efficient, and IS less efficient in constant load driving (say highway driving in flat areas). On the other hand, at constant highway speeds, hybrid and conventional cars are essentially the same though hybrid cars are often designed with more attention to gas saving than conventional cars so they eke out a bit more for reasons that could have been applied to the conventional car (for example, possibly shutting off the engine when coasting down a slight hill). Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 9:44 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: That description is not hybrid. Its called KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) and is a technique used to recharge the batteries in a hybrid car without using the gas engine to recharge the battery. Most hybrid cars have a battery driven engine and a gas powered engine. when driving it will primary use the battery engine but if the batteries starts to get run down the gas engine starts up to propel the car and recharge the battery in newer hybrid you have the KERS to help boost the recharge by recovering energy when breaking which is why a hybrid car can get so very good city traffic mileage since obviously you have to break and stop. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:17:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Right-the primary reason a hybrid saves gas is by recovering *some* otherwise wasted braking energy. But you'd get better mileage by not breaking in the first place, which you don't hopefully do a lot of on the highway. Chuck On Feb 12, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Not on the highway it won't. grin That's the biggest reason I didn't even look at one. Highway miles (almost all of my 30k+ per year miles) are often no better than any other rig. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle You can still drive a hybrid... http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid technology. I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
For once I have to agree with Muddy here, they have no clue on what they are deciding on! I am NOT against the whole gov't intervention thing, but these people in the house and senate are completely lost! ALL they now is what the Lobbiest are telling them and the Lobbiest are for the telco and cable co's as usual. I just hope that the letter sent from WISPA falls on deaf ears as what we are trying to do here! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:35:00 -0800 And everyone said I was a fool when I said the govenrment needed to stay OUT of the broadband business insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing they no nothing about. Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill. The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user data transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol wireless network; (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream; So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, advanced broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service SHOULD BE 3/1 mbps WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1943 - Release Date: 2/10/2009 7:20 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
correction (?) inline Scottie Arnett wrote: For once I have to agree with Muddy here, they have no clue on what they are deciding on! I am NOT against the whole gov't intervention thing, but these people in the house and senate are completely lost! ALL they now is what the Lobbiest are telling them and the Lobbiest are for the telco and cable co's as usual. I just hope that the letter sent from WISPA doesn't fall fall on deaf ears as what we are trying to do here! Scottie ZOT!! -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
From Experience(I am a computer tech before a Wirless tech) I can tell you that ALL Antivirus products but AntiViri(Free for home use) let the Virut virus through. I just spent almost 61 hrs from 2/6/09 to 2/9/09 trying to clean Virut virus from a newspaper office PC. Even the maker of Combofix(that studies these for a living) said that once this virus gets on a PC that there are so many variants that no VirusScanner on the market can clean the infected files only delete, his advice were to reload everything! I did as he said, but with a copy of the infected hard drive. The paper company needed their ads, but the hard drive they were on was infected, just all the exe's and scr's. I reloaded and had a fresh copy of Avast Fully updated installed after reload. I accidentally clicked on an exe infected with the Virut virus and it did not catch it until it was to late and AVG did not even see it! I had to completely reload the PC again and as soon as Windows was loaded, I loaded Antiviri. Antiviri will not clean Virut files but it will stop it from getting on the PC. Hope this helps all others out there that run an ISP and a PC shop. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:42:11 -0800 I have not had a single customer call or complaint from the users of Avast! anti-virus. It's pretty much just as effective as those phony firewall things, and an excellent anti-virus. Not to mention... it's FREE.A sizeable portion of my customer base has switched from Norton and McCaffee to Avast! on our reccommendation and as of yet, not one has reported a single complaint to me. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner Get rid of Norton. It's crap software these days. www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better. Norton and MacAfee make my phone ring all of the time. Stop Sign has been amazing. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds and ends IP scans. Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version wont let me exclude it. Anybody have a program like it (windows) that I might Try that you like. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
