Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
That's why you carry a strictly catastrophic health-care policy to cover when you can't. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 12:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you guys posted... Cameron On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a discount, especially on in network doctors. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com mailto:bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
In addition to that those that don't have health insurance and go to the hospital, cause increases in insurance and hospital fees for all of us. Part of the reason insurance is so expensive is that the hospitals are only collecting .04 on the $1. Essentially, for every 1 person that pays 24 people do not. That's why a Tylenol costs $10, because they have to make it up on the people that can afford to pay. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you guys posted... Cameron On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a discount, especially on in network doctors. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for.
Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch
That's kinda like most of us are, I think. Resolve it and resolve it quick even if temporary. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch At least you still have your since of humor. I think you should be proud of yourself for knowing how to make it work instead of just sitting there staring at it until someone else fixes it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Oh, I just have to share my Time Warner drama. Moved the office, gave them over 30 days notice to move our copper and fiber but still hasnt happened. Imagine crawling under your neighbors deck at 7 AM , dragging coax, just to connect into their coax drop with no permission to do so just to get your phones and office internet to work. The joy of being in business. At least I didnt get shot. Our salesman is Quite Angry. Right. Read below. Who Else- From: Morris, John [mailto:john.morr...@twcable.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:37 PM To: 'robert.w...@just-micro.com' Subject: Re: About to switch I don't know how you keep your since of humor after all this. I am quite angry that this happened to one of my customers, especially a good customer such as yourself. Try and have a good evening as well. -- Sent using BlackBerry From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: Morris, John Sent: Mon Aug 02 21:20:55 2010 Subject: RE: About to switch Yes but over a month just to get an installer to show up for no more than half an hour is crazy. We went live today and if I hadnt of taken care of it myself we would have been dead in the water. With the economy the way it is, we can t take the risk of even one day with no one answering the phones. Think about it. Moving a business from a location where people are used to seeing you for over 7 years (Weve been in business for 11 years) and then no answer on the phone? Makes it look like we closed for good and THATS the unacceptable thing. A sense of urgency and continuity. I really dont see that with our vendors, not just you. Im already stressed. When we moved to our old location 7 years ago it went smooth. This could have been a mess for the average business owner and a sure ending of their business. Were just lucky that well risk breaking the law to make sure all systems are functional. We shouldnt have to dig out used coax and connectors, crawl under a neighbors deck and connect into their TW drop without asking at seven in the morning.. Its not a personal thing, its about survival. Thats what has made us winners and Ill continue being outside that box regardless of the cost. Certainly there is a process over at TW that gets the install done and over. Just push that panic button and its all good. To be contacted to schedule an install after 30 days is insulting. We just arent that important. Thats the way it looks. I really shouldnt have to deal with it any more than I had to deal with moving the electric service. Done and done. Ill be looking for boy tomorrow. If he doesnt show Ill take the angle grinder to the lock on the TW box on the pole. If arrested at least it will make good publicity! (Ill do it without a shirt, it makes for better TV) HA! Trust me, Im crazy enough to call the cops myself so it makes a scene. They are aware and in awe of my I Dont give a Shitness. Principal wins. Still laughing. Too tired to do otherwise. Have a good night. Bob- From: Morris, John [mailto:john.morr...@twcable.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:14 PM To: 'robert.w...@just-micro.com' Subject: Re: About to switch Honestly Robert I'm doing everything I can that's why they finally contacted you today. I'm trying to get them out their first thing tomorrow. Again I apologize. Don't give up on me yet! -- Sent using BlackBerry From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: Morris, John Sent: Mon Aug 02 19:17:50 2010 Subject: About to switch John, If the Time Warner installer boy doesnt show up tomorrow Im having the phones switched back to ATT. I just cant deal with this crap. In a business, the phones are number one but TW seems to have no sense of urgency even though we pay way more for phones than residential. There is a price difference for a reason. I have enough to deal with. Sorry. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
How long have been using the v6? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a consistent public IP. NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else. In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are doing NAT. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict (I think it's called open?). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
[WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DOS attack
If you use squirrelmail, add the restric_senders plugin. Stops the spammers quick by setting normal reasonable limits to the numbers of recipients per time period. They'll go elsewhere. On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 10:56:39PM -0700, Gary Garrett wrote: Lately I have had some Pfishers get passwords to users E-mail and start sending out from their Webmail accounts. I have taken to blocking the entire /8 . about 16 million addresses each. Really cuts down on the incoming spam also. No complaints yet. Well, I believe in this case it was all Asia IP space, Mostly from the same hand full of subnets. So they dropped the associated /24's WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
Please share the release or at least a URL. Mike Ford (UBNT) said the following last Friday regarding the M900 line: Hey Guys, This has been delayed. I am trying to get a definitive date for you. Thanks, Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 [cid:image001.gif@01CB32F1.61649540] inline: image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
Not sure if this link will work, But here is the email I got. https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:10197.8501156949/rid:bebeccd c782349e37791c1b412a6dd1f Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Please share the release or at least a URL. Mike Ford (UBNT) said the following last Friday regarding the M900 line: Hey Guys, This has been delayed. I am trying to get a definitive date for you. Thanks, Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
It's all listed on their Ubiquiti's website now too. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Not sure if this link will work, But here is the email I got. https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:10197.8501156949/rid:beb eccdc782349e37791c1b412a6dd1f Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 http://www.brevardwireless.com/files/email.gif From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Please share the release or at least a URL. Mike Ford (UBNT) said the following last Friday regarding the M900 line: Hey Guys, This has been delayed. I am trying to get a definitive date for you. Thanks, Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 06:30, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: In addition to that those that don’t have health insurance and go to the hospital, cause increases in insurance and hospital fees for all of us. Part of the reason insurance is so expensive is that the hospitals are only collecting .04 on the $1. Essentially, for every 1 person that pays 24 people do not. That’s why a Tylenol costs $10, because they have to make it up on the people that can afford to pay. Source? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion thereof) are merely a means to that end. BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the connector rate (the model for the exchanges, but really an assigned-risk pool). And it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: mailto:cc...@wispmon.comCameron Crum To: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgWISPA General List Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you guys posted... Cameron On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.comrgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a discount, especially on in network doctors. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers mailto:bbow...@mozarks.combbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappydsl.netfai...@snappydsl.net To: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com
[WISPA] emerg. switch to NS2,5 for AP?
hi all, one of our largest service points took a hit saturday night. I had to come up with a bunch of replacement equipment fast. The solution involved adding more cables up the tower, and running the mikrotik router from the ground. Each of the 3 primary antenna are now driven by nanostation 2 or 5 using a short pigtail. This was a busy site with 2 - 2.4 Ghz sectors(25+ each) and a busy 5.8Ghz sector(15+. I realize there are tradeoffs using Airos on an AP radio. All cpes are not yet working. I have a few questions. Is there a limit for how many associations a nanostation will accept?? Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated in this situation! Thanks, Marshall rabbitmeadows.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] emerg. switch to NS2,5 for AP?
Replace the Nanos with rocket/airmax sectors ASAP, or put mikrotiks back. You lose MASSIVE signal by using pigtails with the NS gear, thus the invention of the Bullets. I have used high quality 23dbi flatpanels with a NS5 once and it only got 1db better than the internal antenna; all due to the pigtail path through the nanostation. On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 07:44:39AM -0700, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: hi all, one of our largest service points took a hit saturday night. I had to come up with a bunch of replacement equipment fast. The solution involved adding more cables up the tower, and running the mikrotik router from the ground. Each of the 3 primary antenna are now driven by nanostation 2 or 5 using a short pigtail. This was a busy site with 2 - 2.4 Ghz sectors(25+ each) and a busy 5.8Ghz sector(15+. I realize there are tradeoffs using Airos on an AP radio. All cpes are not yet working. I have a few questions. Is there a limit for how many associations a nanostation will accept?? Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated in this situation! Thanks, Marshall rabbitmeadows.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
IP performance should be the exact same as all other UBNT M series products. We'll see how the RF performance works out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 8:23 AM, Robert West wrote: Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] emerg. switch to NS2,5 for AP?
Wow! This is what i needed to know. thanks for fast reply. on the 2.4 side, I went from 200mw prisim radios, and gain 3db with the nanostatios. I am seeing a real drop in associations on 5G, but 2G is suspicious too. So this is a known issue with the rf path inside the nanostation to its ext ant connector?? Anyone else confirm this? Thank you!!! On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Replace the Nanos with rocket/airmax sectors ASAP, or put mikrotiks back. You lose MASSIVE signal by using pigtails with the NS gear, thus the invention of the Bullets. I have used high quality 23dbi flatpanels with a NS5 once and it only got 1db better than the internal antenna; all due to the pigtail path through the nanostation. On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 07:44:39AM -0700, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: hi all, one of our largest service points took a hit saturday night. I had to come up with a bunch of replacement equipment fast. The solution involved adding more cables up the tower, and running the mikrotik router from the ground. Each of the 3 primary antenna are now driven by nanostation 2 or 5 using a short pigtail. This was a busy site with 2 - 2.4 Ghz sectors(25+ each) and a busy 5.8Ghz sector(15+. I realize there are tradeoffs using Airos on an AP radio. All cpes are not yet working. I have a few questions. Is there a limit for how many associations a nanostation will accept?? Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated in this situation! Thanks, Marshall rabbitmeadows.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
Am itching to see what the combination of MIMO / 802.11n and 900Mh yeilds... If the Airmax works well... would be very very interesting to see if it makes 900Mhz usable for WISPA in areas where there is a lot of noise, and other gear.. It's going to be fun initial indication of using 2.4 with Airmax is giving Canopy 2.4 operator heartaches Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/3/2010 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: IP performance should be the exact same as all other UBNT M series products. We'll see how the RF performance works out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 8:23 AM, Robert West wrote: Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
At 8/3/2010 01:54 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Fred, The Arc Wireless dual pol panel is a great value with embedded genII enclosure. You have to use the enclosure for the mount to screw on to the antenna. You can still use cables to an external radios, its just that your cables are inside the enclosure, and pass thru the case holes. That actually can be a benefit because it adds waterproof protection. The good thing about teh Arc system is that even with teh enclosure it is very affordable compared to other antennas of similar spec. The ARC has almost 40db of isolation between ports, which makes it best of class performance for MIMO. You are looking at about $150, but performance will be very good. Thanks... You're not the only one to recommend them, so that may well be the best bet. Another nice feature from Arc is the ability to use the enclosure system to build a high-performance 900 MHz CPE, which I may want in some heavy woods. Same form factor, two very different products. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
may be a dumb question, but is it possible to use a bullet M5 for normal 802.11a on 5.8 GHz? Is there a different firmware image to upload? Thanks, marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
If it was like the other airmax great you need at least 5.2ish for A. On Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: may be a dumb question, but is it possible to use a bullet M5 for normal 802.11a on 5.8 GHz? Is there a different firmware image to upload? Thanks, marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
initial indication of using 2.4 with Airmax is giving Canopy 2.4 operator heartaches Is the MIMO on Ubnt 2.4 providing better tree penetration and NLOS then the Canopy single polarity 2.4? We currently punch through some trees with Canopy 2.4 and have heard Canopy 3.65 with dual polarity does better yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] emerg. switch to NS2,5 for AP?
Two connectors is 2db of loss. Plus line loss. That may be one point. Nanostations have had a problem with their connectors, it had been confirmed. Not sure what the loss was but it is very bad. On Aug 3, 2010 11:03 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: Wow! This is what i needed to know. thanks for fast reply. on the 2.4 side, I went from 200mw prisim radios, and gain 3db with the nanostatios. I am seeing a real drop in associations on 5G, but 2G is suspicious too. So this is a known issue with the rf path inside the nanostation to its ext ant connector?? Anyone else confirm this? Thank you!!! On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Replace the Nanos with roc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I'd be curious as to who those ISP's are? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:25 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Are you always that quick to jump to conclusions? I guess I am just spoiled living in CA and NV as all the ISPs I have ever known of assign IP addresses either free or $5 per month. Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else. In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are doing NAT. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict (I think it's called open?). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
The short answer is yes...those who have tested are seeing results close to 900Mhz type radios.. and in some cases even better. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/3/2010 11:52 AM, Matt wrote: initial indication of using 2.4 with Airmax is giving Canopy 2.4 operator heartaches Is the MIMO on Ubnt 2.4 providing better tree penetration and NLOS then the Canopy single polarity 2.4? We currently punch through some trees with Canopy 2.4 and have heard Canopy 3.65 with dual polarity does better yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
I guess the question is best put as: Can I configure/modify a Bullet M5 to work with nanostation 5s?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If it was like the other airmax great you need at least 5.2ish for A. On Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: may be a dumb question, but is it possible to use a bullet M5 for normal 802.11a on 5.8 GHz? Is there a different firmware image to upload? Thanks, marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
Pretty sure you can, but I have not personally tested that. On Aug 3, 2010 12:31 PM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the question is best put as: Can I configure/modify a Bullet M5 to work with nanostation 5s?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it was li... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
With all dues respect, we ALL NOW have the accessibility to health care! In addition, we're supposed to be a FREE country, at least the freest (pardon the slang). Meaning that we are free to do as we please unless it affects others. Forcing people to buy health insurance or pay for others is not in line with what our country stands for. As far as other countries go, I lived in Australia for over a year. My wife has some health issues and we got to see first hand how government run health care works - NOT GOOD to say the least. They could care less. I almost sent her back to the states but fortunately the problems were not as severe as originally thought. We kissed the ground when we got back to America! Never had I been so glad to pay our monthly health insurance premiums! As far as the executives getting huge bonuses, etc. They just need more competition. Unfortunately, government regulations prevent it. I agree that our current system is broke but like many issues, they answer is NOT government. In Kentucky, I can only chose from two providers. How about drop the regulations that prevent others from entering our market and let the price war begin? Everyone should understand what our constitution provides as unalienable rights and what is does NOT! http://www.unalienable.com IMHO, and after reading our Forefathers works, broadband is not a right, and certainly not a unalienable right and neither is health care! Of course, we could give up those rights and become serfs with no choice but poor health care and watch the elite as they pay themselves huge bonuses, yachts, and other luxuries. -Rick Gunderson On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion thereof) are merely a means to that end. BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the connector rate (the model for the exchanges, but really an assigned-risk pool). And it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the doc. and on average it will become
Re: [WISPA] emerg. switch to NS2,5 for AP?
I've had a great experience with the 5GHz Rocket Sectors but the 2.4GHz have not given me any warm fuzzies. If you use them, be sure to reverse the brackets so you can tilt them way back! On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:18 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: Replace the Nanos with rocket/airmax sectors ASAP, or put mikrotiks back. You lose MASSIVE signal by using pigtails with the NS gear, thus the invention of the Bullets. I have used high quality 23dbi flatpanels with a NS5 once and it only got 1db better than the internal antenna; all due to the pigtail path through the nanostation. On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 07:44:39AM -0700, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: hi all, one of our largest service points took a hit saturday night. I had to come up with a bunch of replacement equipment fast. The solution involved adding more cables up the tower, and running the mikrotik router from the ground. Each of the 3 primary antenna are now driven by nanostation 2 or 5 using a short pigtail. This was a busy site with 2 - 2.4 Ghz sectors(25+ each) and a busy 5.8Ghz sector(15+. I realize there are tradeoffs using Airos on an AP radio. All cpes are not yet working. I have a few questions. Is there a limit for how many associations a nanostation will accept?? Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated in this situation! Thanks, Marshall rabbitmeadows.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ | Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
This is not the list to debate those issues, so let's cut it off now. At 8/3/2010 12:45 PM, RickG wrote: With all dues respect, we ALL NOW have the accessibility to health care! In addition, we're supposed to be a FREE country, at least the freest (pardon the slang). Meaning that we are free to do as we please unless it affects others. Forcing people to buy health insurance or pay for others is not in line with what our country stands for. As far as other countries go, I lived in Australia for over a year. My wife has some health issues and we got to see first hand how government run health care works - NOT GOOD to say the least. They could care less. I almost sent her back to the states but fortunately the problems were not as severe as originally thought. We kissed the ground when we got back to America! Never had I been so glad to pay our monthly health insurance premiums! As far as the executives getting huge bonuses, etc. They just need more competition. Unfortunately, government regulations prevent it. I agree that our current system is broke but like many issues, they answer is NOT government. In Kentucky, I can only chose from two providers. How about drop the regulations that prevent others from entering our market and let the price war begin? Everyone should understand what our constitution provides as unalienable rights and what is does NOT! http://www.unalienable.com IMHO, and after reading our Forefathers works, broadband is not a right, and certainly not a unalienable right and neither is health care! Of course, we could give up those rights and become serfs with no choice but poor health care and watch the elite as they pay themselves huge bonuses, yachts, and other luxuries. -Rick Gunderson On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion thereof) are merely a means to that end. BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the connector rate (the model for the exchanges, but really an assigned-risk pool). And it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, paying cash, I
[WISPA] Mesh
Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying wireless to. I have a tower on the north end of town that I can't very well add many more antennas to due to contract with tower owner. The town is very wooded. I was considering putting up 4 small AP's in various areas of town to cover it to a point. Then the police dept got wind of it and wanted to add 2 of their towers. But not all have LOS to the main tower. Is this a good use of a mesh network and what are the important things to know about Mesh. I have lots of ideas but know knowledge on this. My AP's are all 100% Mikrotik but I have not heard any good about MT mesh and data on that is very slim. Help? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
I met with the folks at Blue Mesh while we were in St Louis. I am looking into their mesh solution and at first glance, looks pretty good to me. Look up www.bluemesh.net and my contact there is Matthew Wheeler. We are also looking at MOTO Mesh as well. I don't have anything to report other than my experience was good with MOTO Mesh when we did the Extreme Makeover Home Edition show in Bunker Hill last fall. We supplied the bandwidth in to the camp and ERS supplied the MOTO Mesh gear. Regards, David Weddell VP Business Development Corporate Partnerships Omnicity, Inc. www.omnicity.net OTCMarkets: OMCY 866 586 1518 Corporate Office 765 499 7310 Cell This electronic mail communication is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information which is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original. Thank you. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying wireless to. I have a tower on the north end of town that I can't very well add many more antennas to due to contract with tower owner. The town is very wooded. I was considering putting up 4 small AP's in various areas of town to cover it to a point. Then the police dept got wind of it and wanted to add 2 of their towers. But not all have LOS to the main tower. Is this a good use of a mesh network and what are the important things to know about Mesh. I have lots of ideas but know knowledge on this. My AP's are all 100% Mikrotik but I have not heard any good about MT mesh and data on that is very slim. Help? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
Steve, If you have GPS coordinates, we can see about building you a proper routed mesh network, and show you what your expected coverage's are :) We do charge 120 a hour for this work, but in 2 hours we can do quite a bit once you get us the tower heights and GPS locations. Just a suggestion. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying wireless to. I have a tower on the north end of town that I can't very well add many more antennas to due to contract with tower owner. The town is very wooded. I was considering putting up 4 small AP's in various areas of town to cover it to a point. Then the police dept got wind of it and wanted to add 2 of their towers. But not all have LOS to the main tower. Is this a good use of a mesh network and what are the important things to know about Mesh. I have lots of ideas but know knowledge on this. My AP's are all 100% Mikrotik but I have not heard any good about MT mesh and data on that is very slim. Help? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
You can't set them to A only, but any A stuff that I've tried works fine with them in A/N mixed mode. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a?? I guess the question is best put as: Can I configure/modify a Bullet M5 to work with nanostation 5s?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it was like the other airmax great you need at least 5.2ish for A. On Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: may be a dumb question, but is it possible to use a bullet M5 for normal 802.11a on 5.8 GHz? Is there a different firmware image to upload? Thanks, marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
BTW, we have done a number of MT mesh deployments, it works fine as long as your understand the automagic that occurs and like that ;) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Steve, If you have GPS coordinates, we can see about building you a proper routed mesh network, and show you what your expected coverage's are :) We do charge 120 a hour for this work, but in 2 hours we can do quite a bit once you get us the tower heights and GPS locations. Just a suggestion. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying wireless to. I have a tower on the north end of town that I can't very well add many more antennas to due to contract with tower owner. The town is very wooded. I was considering putting up 4 small AP's in various areas of town to cover it to a point. Then the police dept got wind of it and wanted to add 2 of their towers. But not all have LOS to the main tower. Is this a good use of a mesh network and what are the important things to know about Mesh. I have lots of ideas but know knowledge on this. My AP's are all 100% Mikrotik but I have not heard any good about MT mesh and data on that is very slim. Help? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
On the political side of the issue, the anti-Genakowski allies are increasing in number and strength. http://biggovernment.com/smotley/2010/08/03/another-week-of-growing-opposition-to-fccs-internet-grab/#more-152353 I, for one, think that if Comcast Charter or Qwest, or anyone, started deprioritizing specific content or blocking certain content providers, that our business could boom.I'm getting ready to actually compete with dsl and cable in my first town. Some trepidation at that, wondering if I'm going to be investing with little return, but it seems to me that we'd be far better off keeping the FCC far, far from our network administration decisions. I'm curious what stand WISPA has officially taken, and how it's being followed up. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
So is the XR1. Now, go try and buy one :-) - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: n...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 It's all listed on their Ubiquiti's website now too. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Not sure if this link will work, But here is the email I got. https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:10197.8501156949/rid:bebeccdc782349e37791c1b412a6dd1f Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 -- From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Please share the release or at least a URL. Mike Ford (UBNT) said the following last Friday regarding the M900 line: Hey Guys, This has been delayed. I am trying to get a definitive date for you. Thanks, Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tree heights
Wonder if this is potentially useful/accurate enough for our industry: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/07/21/nasa.tree.map/index.html -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
Rick, Can we nip this in the butt right now? The discussion was to see if it was feasible for WISPA to look at a group rate for health care, it is now evolving into a political discussion. Political discussions usually degrade into undesirable threads which make people mad and ultimately cause one or more to ask to be unsubscribed from the Members list. We consider that a sad loss because they won't get the benefit of the many discussions we have that have to do with being a WISP just because someone wanted to spread their own political views. We are not an advocacy for political causes other than for more spectrum and better rules for WISP's. You obviously wanted to spread your views all across our lists having cc'd this to two WISPA lists, their fine for lists that advocate politics but not here. I'd like to ask the brakes to be put on here so we can return to the business of being a WISP driven list on helping other WISP's, I appreciate you respecting this request. Forbes Mercy Promotion Committee Chair On 8/3/2010 9:45 AM, RickG wrote: With all dues respect, we ALL NOW have the accessibility to health care! In addition, we're supposed to be a FREE country, at least the freest (pardon the slang). Meaning that we are free to do as we please unless it affects others. Forcing people to buy health insurance or pay for others is not in line with what our country stands for. As far as other countries go, I lived in Australia for over a year. My wife has some health issues and we got to see first hand how government run health care works - NOT GOOD to say the least. They could care less. I almost sent her back to the states but fortunately the problems were not as severe as originally thought. We kissed the ground when we got back to America! Never had I been so glad to pay our monthly health insurance premiums! As far as the executives getting huge bonuses, etc. They just need more competition. Unfortunately, government regulations prevent it. I agree that our current system is broke but like many issues, they answer is NOT government. In Kentucky, I can only chose from two providers. How about drop the regulations that prevent others from entering our market and let the price war begin? Everyone should understand what our constitution provides as unalienable rights and what is does NOT! http://www.unalienable.com IMHO, and after reading our Forefathers works, broadband is not a right, and certainly not a unalienable right and neither is health care! Of course, we could give up those rights and become serfs with no choice but poor health care and watch the elite as they pay themselves huge bonuses, yachts, and other luxuries. -Rick Gunderson On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Fred Goldsteinfgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion thereof) are merely a means to that end. BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the connector rate (the model for the exchanges, but really an assigned-risk pool). And it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
While I love a debate - not sure this is the place. So - back to the question at hand - and I think a simple yes/no would most likely help Rick move fwd. 1. If your a WISP - would you be interested in a group rate vs going @ it alone for health insurance? with a highly political issue like this - we can get muddied in the fray here... but putting politics aside - Can you use a group rate? Would you be interested ? I think thats what he is trying to find out. Glenn On Aug 3, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: This is not the list to debate those issues, so let's cut it off now. At 8/3/2010 12:45 PM, RickG wrote: With all dues respect, we ALL NOW have the accessibility to health care! In addition, we're supposed to be a FREE country, at least the freest (pardon the slang). Meaning that we are free to do as we please unless it affects others. Forcing people to buy health insurance or pay for others is not in line with what our country stands for. As far as other countries go, I lived in Australia for over a year. My wife has some health issues and we got to see first hand how government run health care works - NOT GOOD to say the least. They could care less. I almost sent her back to the states but fortunately the problems were not as severe as originally thought. We kissed the ground when we got back to America! Never had I been so glad to pay our monthly health insurance premiums! As far as the executives getting huge bonuses, etc. They just need more competition. Unfortunately, government regulations prevent it. I agree that our current system is broke but like many issues, they answer is NOT government. In Kentucky, I can only chose from two providers. How about drop the regulations that prevent others from entering our market and let the price war begin? Everyone should understand what our constitution provides as unalienable rights and what is does NOT! http://www.unalienable.com IMHO, and after reading our Forefathers works, broadband is not a right, and certainly not a unalienable right and neither is health care! Of course, we could give up those rights and become serfs with no choice but poor health care and watch the elite as they pay themselves huge bonuses, yachts, and other luxuries. -Rick Gunderson On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion thereof) are merely a means to that end. BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the connector rate (the model for the exchanges, but really an assigned-risk pool). And it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
Thanks for that info. I am not really to that point I am more of a trying to understand the technology and find the right System for my needs. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh BTW, we have done a number of MT mesh deployments, it works fine as long as your understand the automagic that occurs and like that ;) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Steve, If you have GPS coordinates, we can see about building you a proper routed mesh network, and show you what your expected coverage's are :) We do charge 120 a hour for this work, but in 2 hours we can do quite a bit once you get us the tower heights and GPS locations. Just a suggestion. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying wireless to. I have a tower on the north end of town that I can't very well add many more antennas to due to contract with tower owner. The town is very wooded. I was considering putting up 4 small AP's in various areas of town to cover it to a point. Then the police dept got wind of it and wanted to add 2 of their towers. But not all have LOS to the main tower. Is this a good use of a mesh network and what are the important things to know about Mesh. I have lots of ideas but know knowledge on this. My AP's are all 100% Mikrotik but I have not heard any good about MT mesh and data on that is very slim. Help? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Talk about a long link - 1675 miles on 10 GHz!!
Now admittedly this is using SSB and they get to use 20 watts in to a 35 dbi gain dish, but hey that's still one heck of a shot at 10 gig http://www.arrl.org/news/view/swiss-hams-set-new-world-record-on-10-ghz Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
devil is in details, I need 10Mhz channel and simple 64bit WEP to work if this is to match the system its replacing. any ideas?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: You can’t set them to A only, but any A stuff that I’ve tried works fine with them in A/N mixed mode. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *rabbtux rabbtux *Sent:* Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a?? I guess the question is best put as: Can I configure/modify a Bullet M5 to work with nanostation 5s?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it was like the other airmax great you need at least 5.2ish for A. On Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: may be a dumb question, but is it possible to use a bullet M5 for normal 802.11a on 5.8 GHz? Is there a different firmware image to upload? Thanks, marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
looks good, just uploaded latest firmware 5.2.n my M5 bullet from last year had version 5.02 It appears to support all the settings i mentioned! On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:35 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: devil is in details, I need 10Mhz channel and simple 64bit WEP to work if this is to match the system its replacing. any ideas?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netwrote: You can’t set them to A only, but any A stuff that I’ve tried works fine with them in A/N mixed mode. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *rabbtux rabbtux *Sent:* Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a?? I guess the question is best put as: Can I configure/modify a Bullet M5 to work with nanostation 5s?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it was like the other airmax great you need at least 5.2ish for A. On Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: may be a dumb question, but is it possible to use a bullet M5 for normal 802.11a on 5.8 GHz? Is there a different firmware image to upload? Thanks, marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
Check with Butch Evans, seems like I remember him building a MESH system using MicroTik for a municipal Police Department. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying wireless to. I have a tower on the north end of town that I can't very well add many more antennas to due to contract with tower owner. The town is very wooded. I was considering putting up 4 small AP's in various areas of town to cover it to a point. Then the police dept got wind of it and wanted to add 2 of their towers. But not all have LOS to the main tower. Is this a good use of a mesh network and what are the important things to know about Mesh. I have lots of ideas but know knowledge on this. My AP's are all 100% Mikrotik but I have not heard any good about MT mesh and data on that is very slim. Help? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
Butch has done Mikrotik ones, but I would rather go with Ruckus. On Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Check with Butch Evans, seems like I remember him building a MESH system using MicroTik for a municipal Police Department. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On ... Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Have a small town 1500 homes that I would like some advice on supplying wireless to. I have a tower... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Roof Mounts
Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount sizeable enough to hold a couple of 24 drums? It needs to be able to fit over the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast. Cant seem to locate such a beast readily. Thanks Chris Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts
Look at quickmount on the tessco site Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount sizeable enough to hold a couple of 24 drums? It needs to be able to fit over the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast. Cant seem to locate such a beast readily. Thanks Chris Intelliwave --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts
Rohn Satellite mounts. You will need to clamp another mast pipe to the existing pipe to get enough height for more than one 24 dish -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:00:25 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Roof Mounts Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount sizeable enough to hold a couple of 24 drums? It needs to be able to fit over the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast. Cant seem to locate such a beast readily. Thanks Chris Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts
They make a Quickmount that fits on a peaked roof? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:04:00 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts Look at quickmount on the tessco site Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount sizeable enough to hold a couple of 24 drums? It needs to be able to fit over the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast. Cant seem to locate such a beast readily. Thanks Chris Intelliwave --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts
Sorry, Missed that. Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 3, 2010, at 1:10 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: They make a Quickmount that fits on a peaked roof? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:04:00 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts Look at quickmount on the tessco site Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount sizeable enough to hold a couple of 24 drums? It needs to be able to fit over the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast. Cant seem to locate such a beast readily. Thanks Chris Intelliwave --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Charging for a Static IP is also a deterrent. Most of the time either gamers or people who want to run servers want static public IP addresses. You don¹t want some kid hosting 10 other friends on his connection do you? This is why most gamers need to have a public IP. They are essentially running a server for their buddies to connect to. All Xbox Live does is connect to the best host (aka other person) to feed off them. If you are going to hand out public IP addresses to residential customers assign them from a pool and make them change so often via DHCP. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:00:42 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I don't think many people are going to see this. Pretty sure every ISP out there has a heavier download ratio then upload ratio. The upload bandwidth is minimal (say 512k) so it isn't like they can host much on it. I do have a customer that pays for 2U of rack space in our NOC for their game servers. This is awesome for everyone - it saves them money versus a big colo, uses my under utilized upstream and they get a great connection for their games. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Charging for a Static IP is also a deterrent. Most of the time either gamers or people who want to run servers want static public IP addresses. You don’t want some kid hosting 10 other friends on his connection do you? This is why most gamers need to have a public IP. They are essentially running a server for their buddies to connect to. All Xbox Live does is connect to the best host (aka other person) to feed off them. If you are going to hand out public IP addresses to residential customers assign them from a pool and make them change so often via DHCP. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:00:42 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
Yeah, I know we probably won't be able to get them for a long, long time - I was just pointing out that the specs are there... From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 So is the XR1. Now, go try and buy one :-) - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mailto:mat...@litewire.net To: n...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 It's all listed on their Ubiquiti's website now too. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Not sure if this link will work, But here is the email I got. https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:10197.8501156949/rid:beb eccdc782349e37791c1b412a6dd1f Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 http://www.brevardwireless.com/files/email.gif From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Please share the release or at least a URL. Mike Ford (UBNT) said the following last Friday regarding the M900 line: Hey Guys, This has been delayed. I am trying to get a definitive date for you. Thanks, Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
We have several of them connected to StarOS radios at 10mhz with no problems - I haven't tried it with anything else though. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a?? devil is in details, I need 10Mhz channel and simple 64bit WEP to work if this is to match the system its replacing. any ideas?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: You can't set them to A only, but any A stuff that I've tried works fine with them in A/N mixed mode. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a?? I guess the question is best put as: Can I configure/modify a Bullet M5 to work with nanostation 5s?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it was like the other airmax great you need at least 5.2ish for A. On Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: may be a dumb question, but is it possible to use a bullet M5 for normal 802.11a on 5.8 GHz? Is there a different firmware image to upload? Thanks, marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Back when I had time for playing games, I did this very same thing. Put my own game server in and, man, it was fun...latency rocked! -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 12:34 PM, MDK wrote: On the political side of the issue, the anti-Genakowski allies are increasing in number and strength. http://biggovernment.com/smotley/2010/08/03/another-week-of-growing-opposition-to-fccs-internet-grab/#more-152353 I, for one, think that if Comcast Charter or Qwest, or anyone, started deprioritizing specific content or blocking certain content providers, that our business could boom.I'm getting ready to actually compete with dsl and cable in my first town. Some trepidation at that, wondering if I'm going to be investing with little return, but it seems to me that we'd be far better off keeping the FCC far, far from our network administration decisions. I'm curious what stand WISPA has officially taken, and how it's being followed up. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a??
We have used Nanobridge M5s and Rocket M5s to connect to StarOS 802.11 G and A access points without issue, both WEP and WPA. The only gotcha is that we had some difficulty in forcing specific TX rates on 802.11N devices. So far we haven't figured out a way to force a TX rate, we must leave the CPE on automatic. On 08/03/2010 01:51 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: We have several of them connected to StarOS radios at 10mhz with no problems – I haven’t tried it with anything else though. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *rabbtux rabbtux *Sent:* Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:35 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a?? devil is in details, I need 10Mhz channel and simple 64bit WEP to work if this is to match the system its replacing. any ideas?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: You can’t set them to A only, but any A stuff that I’ve tried works fine with them in A/N mixed mode. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *rabbtux rabbtux *Sent:* Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:30 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 for 802.11a?? I guess the question is best put as: Can I configure/modify a Bullet M5 to work with nanostation 5s?? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If it was like the other airmax great you need at least 5.2ish for A. On Aug 3, 2010 11:41 AM, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com mailto:rabb...@gmail.com wrote: may be a dumb question, but is it possible to use a bullet M5 for normal 802.11a on 5.8 GHz? Is there a different firmware image to upload? Thanks, marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh
you could of course still use open source: OLSR.org Deployed on multiple very large community wireless networks worldwide. (Freifunk, Funkfeuer, Athens Metropolitan Wireless network (5k nodes), Guifi.net etc) On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Butch has done Mikrotik ones, but I would rather go with Ruckus. On Aug 3, 2010 3:43 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Check with Butch Evans, seems like I remember him building a MESH system using MicroTik for a municipal Police Department. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
That whole slippery slope thing. Its easy to forget that once they (They are them. They are they. That are the Men in Black) it will not be simple or easy. Once telcos really start losing to WISPs you will see them fight all the harder. There are some good telcos out there (IIRC some one on the list who is one asked the FCC to let them give away free or nearly free service, the FCC declined) but by and large, they are evil and they absolutely do not want that to change. I am sure some of the evilness is simply because that is how the game is played, structured, setup and ruled. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 12:34 PM, MDK wrote: On the political side of the issue, the anti-Genakowski allies are increasing in number and strength. http://biggovernment.com/smotley/2010/08/03/another-week-of-growing-opposition-to-fccs-internet-grab/#more-152353 I, for one, think that if Comcast Charter or Qwest, or anyone, started deprioritizing specific content or blocking certain content providers, that our business could boom. I'm getting ready to actually compete with dsl and cable in my first town. Some trepidation at that, wondering if I'm going to be investing with little return, but it seems to me that we'd be far better off keeping the FCC far, far from our network administration decisions. I'm curious what stand WISPA has officially taken, and how it's being followed up. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed network neutrality rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price. I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price. I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
I have limited sympathy with your comments for a simple reason...Health Care IS NOW a political topic.So is broadband. So is internet network operations. So is bandwidth control, so is hiring someone, so is firing someone, so are the money management choices you make, so is retirement, so are benefits, so are, well, dang near every aspect of our business lives. I'd say none of us, at least the smaller guys, asked for any of this to be brought upon us.20 years ago, hardly a single thing mentioned above was or had ANY political concerns, and now, they're all political, and rarely are the political concerns going to bring about wise or prudent outcomes. This has been pushed upon us, by interests not in our favor, and those interests are not going away, nor are they moderating in the slightest. In fact, they are intent upon making MUCH more of our businesses and lives political. Yes, there are simple dollar value equations to some aspects of employer based health care, but some of it's purely political now.Any discussion of bandwidth management and application prioritization necessitates a weighing and ultimately making judgments about political things. Even arguments over what the politics actually means and how far it intends to reach and how much it legally CAN reach. Which ultimately brings us to the point where we discuss the topic of health care the same way we discuss customers who use the CD tray as a coffee cup holder, or expect us to do miracles, on a budget of dander and fluff - and that discussion is by necessity as much political as moral, logical, ethical. So you want us to NOT express our opinions on the nature of the political intrusions into our business.Might as well say that we can't express opinion about cranky customers, or which operating system is best on SBC's or how to manage a network. By necessity, these things are all relevant, as are our opinions of them. But so, too, the political aspects of our business, must be at least some what legitimate to discuss, lest we as a group by default follow a political course with no discussion or even consideration to where that leads us. It would be reasonable and proper to ask to keep such discussions relevant and topically accurate, and to try to keep this from degenerating into a political flame war. More importantly, it is necessary that respect be given to those who don't agree with your opinion, and that the there is only one default and acceptable opinion - that which is politically correct and I see that happen in a lot of places these days. And usually, that opinion and default position is utterly indefensible, but is never challenged, due to the powers that be preventing dissent. I would prefer that our discussions were not about politics. But they have to be, since politics has invited itself into darn near every aspect of our business.I'd say there's a powerful lesson there... but that would be ideological, huh. Sigh. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:45 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Rick, Can we nip this in the butt right now? The discussion was to see if it was feasible for WISPA to look at a group rate for health care, it is now evolving into a political discussion. Political discussions usually degrade into undesirable threads which make people mad and ultimately cause one or more to ask to be unsubscribed from the Members list. We consider that a sad loss because they won't get the benefit of the many discussions we have that have to do with being a WISP just because someone wanted to spread their own political views. We are not an advocacy for political causes other than for more spectrum and better rules for WISP's. You obviously wanted to spread your views all across WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
Do you mean by bandwidth, the number of bytes moved, or the maximum velocity at which they can move?In the question below, that is. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet... Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? You could limit throughput neutrally, provided that it limited upstream file service and interactive applications like gaming and telephony equally. That's basically what Comcast consented to do. However, those applications usually require a person to be there; content distribution runs 7x24. Their ToS (I'm a customer) prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that unreasonable. I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities on Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it perfectly desirable. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed network neutrality rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price. I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 http://www.ask-wi.comwww.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 mailto:jun...@ask-wi.comjun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
Anyone got a 10-foot-pole that I could use to NOT touch this with? Anyone? Anyone? - Original Message - From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance I have limited sympathy with your comments for a simple reason...Health Care IS NOW a political topic.So is broadband. So is internet network operations. So is bandwidth control, so is hiring someone, so is firing someone, so are the money management choices you make, so is retirement, so are benefits, so are, well, dang near every aspect of our business lives. I'd say none of us, at least the smaller guys, asked for any of this to be brought upon us.20 years ago, hardly a single thing mentioned above was or had ANY political concerns, and now, they're all political, and rarely are the political concerns going to bring about wise or prudent outcomes. This has been pushed upon us, by interests not in our favor, and those interests are not going away, nor are they moderating in the slightest. In fact, they are intent upon making MUCH more of our businesses and lives political. Yes, there are simple dollar value equations to some aspects of employer based health care, but some of it's purely political now.Any discussion of bandwidth management and application prioritization necessitates a weighing and ultimately making judgments about political things. Even arguments over what the politics actually means and how far it intends to reach and how much it legally CAN reach. Which ultimately brings us to the point where we discuss the topic of health care the same way we discuss customers who use the CD tray as a coffee cup holder, or expect us to do miracles, on a budget of dander and fluff - and that discussion is by necessity as much political as moral, logical, ethical. So you want us to NOT express our opinions on the nature of the political intrusions into our business.Might as well say that we can't express opinion about cranky customers, or which operating system is best on SBC's or how to manage a network. By necessity, these things are all relevant, as are our opinions of them. But so, too, the political aspects of our business, must be at least some what legitimate to discuss, lest we as a group by default follow a political course with no discussion or even consideration to where that leads us. It would be reasonable and proper to ask to keep such discussions relevant and topically accurate, and to try to keep this from degenerating into a political flame war. More importantly, it is necessary that respect be given to those who don't agree with your opinion, and that the there is only one default and acceptable opinion - that which is politically correct and I see that happen in a lot of places these days. And usually, that opinion and default position is utterly indefensible, but is never challenged, due to the powers that be preventing dissent. I would prefer that our discussions were not about politics. But they have to be, since politics has invited itself into darn near every aspect of our business.I'd say there's a powerful lesson there... but that would be ideological, huh. Sigh. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:45 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Rick, Can we nip this in the butt right now? The discussion was to see if it was feasible for WISPA to look at a group rate for health care, it is now evolving into a political discussion. Political discussions usually degrade into undesirable threads which make people mad and ultimately cause one or more to ask to be unsubscribed from the Members list. We consider that a sad loss because they won't get the benefit of the many discussions we have that have to do with being a WISP just because someone wanted to spread their own political views. We are not an advocacy for political causes other than for more spectrum and better rules for WISP's. You obviously wanted to spread your views all across WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
At 8/3/2010 07:39 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Anyone got a 10-foot-pole that I could use to NOT touch this with? Anyone? Anyone? It was suggested that we get hold of some of those hollow fiberglass insulating poles that electric linemen use for remotely pushing around the primary wires (15-25kV) atop the poles. By mounting an antenna at one end and putting that above the primary, we could put the radios themselves at the other end, in the safe comms space. That's about what would be needed for this discussion. IMHO it's relevant to talk about issues of *direct* policy concern to WISPs, such as the FCC and their policies. And it's relevant to talk about how to cope with broader business issues, like getting health insurance. But to have general opinion discussions about a politically-charged complex issue like health insurance is not just to risk a rat hole, but to dive head first down one. Farther than even a lineman's pole could reach. - Original Message - From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance I have limited sympathy with your comments for a simple reason...Health Care IS NOW a political topic.So is broadband. So is internet network operations. So is bandwidth control, so is hiring someone, so is firing someone, so are the money management choices you make, so is retirement, so are benefits, so are, well, dang near every aspect of our business lives. I'd say none of us, at least the smaller guys, asked for any of this to be brought upon us.20 years ago, hardly a single thing mentioned above was or had ANY political concerns, and now, they're all political, and rarely are the political concerns going to bring about wise or prudent outcomes. This has been pushed upon us, by interests not in our favor, and those interests are not going away, nor are they moderating in the slightest. In fact, they are intent upon making MUCH more of our businesses and lives political. Yes, there are simple dollar value equations to some aspects of employer based health care, but some of it's purely political now.Any discussion of bandwidth management and application prioritization necessitates a weighing and ultimately making judgments about political things. Even arguments over what the politics actually means and how far it intends to reach and how much it legally CAN reach. Which ultimately brings us to the point where we discuss the topic of health care the same way we discuss customers who use the CD tray as a coffee cup holder, or expect us to do miracles, on a budget of dander and fluff - and that discussion is by necessity as much political as moral, logical, ethical. So you want us to NOT express our opinions on the nature of the political intrusions into our business.Might as well say that we can't express opinion about cranky customers, or which operating system is best on SBC's or how to manage a network. By necessity, these things are all relevant, as are our opinions of them. But so, too, the political aspects of our business, must be at least some what legitimate to discuss, lest we as a group by default follow a political course with no discussion or even consideration to where that leads us. It would be reasonable and proper to ask to keep such discussions relevant and topically accurate, and to try to keep this from degenerating into a political flame war. More importantly, it is necessary that respect be given to those who don't agree with your opinion, and that the there is only one default and acceptable opinion - that which is politically correct and I see that happen in a lot of places these days. And usually, that opinion and default position is utterly indefensible, but is never challenged, due to the powers that be preventing dissent. I would prefer that our discussions were not about politics. But they have to be, since politics has invited itself into darn near every aspect of our business.I'd say there's a powerful lesson there... but that would be ideological, huh. Sigh. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:45 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Rick, Can we nip this in the butt right now? The discussion was to see if it was feasible for WISPA to look at a group rate for health care, it is now evolving into a political discussion. Political discussions usually degrade into undesirable threads which make people mad and ultimately cause one
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
Sorry don't agree, nobody asked for Health care politics, Rick asked if you were interested in a joint venture to buy insurance, political discussion on health care doesn't belong here. Its not just my comments I'm stating policy of WISPA as a board member. You can debate the FCC or Legislative decisions or even tax implications directly attributable to our industry but debate has to look for a solution not just stir or complain, it's not productive. We have less patience for violating WISPA policy after one of these uncontrolled unrelated to WISP slam-fests caused us to lose something like four members last year. We don't shy away from a good fight but it's a fight that is in the mission statement that we follow, more spectrum, better rules for WISP's. There are close to 400 people on the Members list, many more on the general list, and they are busy people, its the board's responsibility to make sure they don't want to quit the list over something not even related to WISP business clogging their mail box. Everyone has an opinion, just like you and I and there are tons of Political topics unrelated to our trade but on our lists it's WISP related stuff. Because I am here to find solutions I found some for you: cmhmd.*blogs*pot.com www.the*healthcareblog*.com/...*health*_*care*_*blog*/.../an-un*health*y-*debate*-around-wellness.htm roomfor*debate*.*blogs*.nytimes.com/.../obamas-*health*-*care*-mistake/ *healthcaredebateblog*.com politicalticker.*blogs*.cnn.com/.../mccain-calls-for-civility-in-*health*-*care*-*debate*/ I didn't look or read any of these links because I don't have the time but there is the place for health care debate, your welcome. Forbes On 8/3/2010 4:26 PM, MDK wrote: I have limited sympathy with your comments for a simple reason...Health Care IS NOW a political topic.So is broadband. So is internet network operations. So is bandwidth control, so is hiring someone, so is firing someone, so are the money management choices you make, so is retirement, so are benefits, so are, well, dang near every aspect of our business lives. I'd say none of us, at least the smaller guys, asked for any of this to be brought upon us.20 years ago, hardly a single thing mentioned above was or had ANY political concerns, and now, they're all political, and rarely are the political concerns going to bring about wise or prudent outcomes. This has been pushed upon us, by interests not in our favor, and those interests are not going away, nor are they moderating in the slightest. In fact, they are intent upon making MUCH more of our businesses and lives political. Yes, there are simple dollar value equations to some aspects of employer based health care, but some of it's purely political now.Any discussion of bandwidth management and application prioritization necessitates a weighing and ultimately making judgments about political things. Even arguments over what the politics actually means and how far it intends to reach and how much it legally CAN reach. Which ultimately brings us to the point where we discuss the topic of health care the same way we discuss customers who use the CD tray as a coffee cup holder, or expect us to do miracles, on a budget of dander and fluff - and that discussion is by necessity as much political as moral, logical, ethical. So you want us to NOT express our opinions on the nature of the political intrusions into our business.Might as well say that we can't express opinion about cranky customers, or which operating system is best on SBC's or how to manage a network. By necessity, these things are all relevant, as are our opinions of them. But so, too, the political aspects of our business, must be at least some what legitimate to discuss, lest we as a group by default follow a political course with no discussion or even consideration to where that leads us. It would be reasonable and proper to ask to keep such discussions relevant and topically accurate, and to try to keep this from degenerating into a political flame war. More importantly, it is necessary that respect be given to those who don't agree with your opinion, and that the there is only one default and acceptable opinion - that which is politically correct and I see that happen in a lot of places these days. And usually, that opinion and default position is utterly indefensible, but is never challenged, due to the powers that be preventing dissent. I would prefer that our discussions were not about politics. But they have to be, since politics has invited itself into darn near every aspect of our business.I'd say there's a powerful lesson there... but that would be ideological, huh. Sigh. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Forbes Mercyforbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can have a file or web server and it does not adversely affect the overall WISP network performance. This level of throughput management should come under the "reasonable network management" definition that service providers are allowed to perform. This throttling is also application-independent so no selective throttling by application is needed. Finally, the throttling is implemented in routing tables full time and once programmed, it requires no human interaction. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? You could limit throughput "neutrally", provided that it limited upstream file service and interactive applications like gaming and telephony equally. That's basically what Comcast consented to do. However, those applications usually require a person to be there; content distribution runs 7x24. Their ToS (I'm a customer) prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that unreasonable. I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities on Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it perfectly desirable. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price. I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can't handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
Stop using that PC, do as little read/write as possible. I'll look for the the utility I used way back when. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can’t handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
http://iam8up.com/iam8up/Restoration.exe Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Stop using that PC, do as little read/write as possible. I'll look for the the utility I used way back when. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can’t handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
I use the Active@ programs in our shop. Have for years. They charge $$ for it though. (But I don't recall every paying anything Hmm...) And as Josh says, don't use the PC until you use something to recover. You run the risk of overwriting the files you want to recover. The best case is to remove the hard drive and slave it in another machine then run whatever recovery program you use. I do it pretty much every day. No one does backups, including me. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can't handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
ATT and Time Warner. You may have heard of them. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a portable /19 I am going to start renting.. John Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Depends on if you have to pay for it. Some upstreamproviders give them for free, others not. Some WISPS pay for their own block. Either way, as with everything in business, if I have to pay 15 bucks for a static you better believe that cost is gonna be passed on. That's a HUGE percentage of the cost of providing service to that customer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a consistent public IP. NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else. In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are doing NAT. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict (I think it's called open?). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
Here's a list of programs you can try. http://lifehacker.com/393084/how-to-recover-deleted-files-with-free-software I have to second what Josh said. Don't write to that drive at all. If that drive is drive c on windows, don't use that computer at all. Put that drive into another computer to recover the files. Good Luck. On 08/03/2010 07:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: http://iam8up.com/iam8up/Restoration.exe Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Stop using that PC, do as little read/write as possible. I'll look for the the utility I used way back when. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can’t handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
Truth. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 06:30, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: In addition to that those that don't have health insurance and go to the hospital, cause increases in insurance and hospital fees for all of us. Part of the reason insurance is so expensive is that the hospitals are only collecting .04 on the $1. Essentially, for every 1 person that pays 24 people do not. That's why a Tylenol costs $10, because they have to make it up on the people that can afford to pay. Source? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
All my data is located on a NAS of some type. Or Dropbox. On Aug 3, 2010 10:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I use the Active@ programs in our shop. Have for years. They charge $$ for it though. (But I don’t recall every paying anything………. Hmm…..) And as Josh says, don’t use the PC until you use something to recover. You run the risk of overwriting the files you want to recover. The best case is to remove the hard drive and slave it in another machine then run whatever recovery program you use. I do it pretty much every day. No one does backups, including me. Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:42 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tree heights
The short answer is Hell Yes! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:11 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tree heights Wonder if this is potentially useful/accurate enough for our industry: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/07/21/nasa.tree.map/index.html -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
The reality is that single payer, as in socialized medicine EGADS! THE HORROR Actually saves the tax payers money.Truth and real. But as long as the health insurance companies pay big bucks for the FOX propaganda machine, some are left with lies. Think for yourselves. Sorry, the Canadian economy has pretty much recovered and they have that horrible and disgusting socialized health system. And here we are, stuck with only our socialized highway system, police force, libraries, parks, fire protection, Medicare, etc.I'm proud to line the pockets of the health insurance CEOs. I am indeed, an AMERICAN! Number 37 and PROUD!!! Hey, I actually own a passport and have used it often. Anyone else in that club? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion thereof) are merely a means to that end. BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the connector rate (the model for the exchanges, but really an assigned-risk pool). And it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you guys posted... Cameron On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a discount, especially on in network doctors. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor,
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
I'll never pay another dime to any insurance company. Believe that one. The health care BS was warped and twisted and now is a joke. I voted for O boy but he was a lie too. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance With all dues respect, we ALL NOW have the accessibility to health care! In addition, we're supposed to be a FREE country, at least the freest (pardon the slang). Meaning that we are free to do as we please unless it affects others. Forcing people to buy health insurance or pay for others is not in line with what our country stands for. As far as other countries go, I lived in Australia for over a year. My wife has some health issues and we got to see first hand how government run health care works - NOT GOOD to say the least. They could care less. I almost sent her back to the states but fortunately the problems were not as severe as originally thought. We kissed the ground when we got back to America! Never had I been so glad to pay our monthly health insurance premiums! As far as the executives getting huge bonuses, etc. They just need more competition. Unfortunately, government regulations prevent it. I agree that our current system is broke but like many issues, they answer is NOT government. In Kentucky, I can only chose from two providers. How about drop the regulations that prevent others from entering our market and let the price war begin? Everyone should understand what our constitution provides as unalienable rights and what is does NOT! http://www.unalienable.com IMHO, and after reading our Forefathers works, broadband is not a right, and certainly not a unalienable right and neither is health care! Of course, we could give up those rights and become serfs with no choice but poor health care and watch the elite as they pay themselves huge bonuses, yachts, and other luxuries. -Rick Gunderson On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 8/3/2010 01:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Pretty much every industrialized country except the United States made health care a basic right a long time ago. ONLY the United States views it as a business, for which profit comes first and results (or the illusion thereof) are merely a means to that end. BTW I have a good broker here in Massachusetts who gets me, as a sole proprietor, a small-business group rate that's well below the connector rate (the model for the exchanges, but really an assigned-risk pool). And it's tax deductible as a business expense. There could be similar plans in other states. But rates here are ridiculously high; thanks to state intervention and their refusal to allow this year's 18-30% rate increases, I'm only paying around $18k/year, though today's paper announced that there is likely to be a more modest negotiated increase this month. But hey, the hospital, insurance, and drug company executives are getting their bonuses and buying yachts, and isn't that what counts the most? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1
Re: [WISPA] Roof Mounts
Personally I use a Hobart wire feed MIG welder from TSC and some angle iron. I never buy them, way too easy to make. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Roof Mounts Does anyone know where I can find a non penetrating roof mount sizeable enough to hold a couple of 24 drums? It needs to be able to fit over the peak of a roof and have space on both sides for ballast. Cant seem to locate such a beast readily. Thanks Chris Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
Thankfully the data is on drive D, I have stopped using the PC and will try the links you guys provided. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders Stop using that PC, do as little read/write as possible. I'll look for the the utility I used way back when. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can't handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Here everyone charges for static public. Att, concert, the clec's that are left and the smaller isp's. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2010, at 12:25 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Are you always that quick to jump to conclusions? I guess I am just spoiled living in CA and NV as all the ISPs I have ever known of assign IP addresses either free or $5 per month. Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else. In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are doing NAT. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict (I think it's called open?). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
You suck. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders I use the Active@ programs in our shop. Have for years. They charge $$ for it though. (But I don't recall every paying anything Hmm...) And as Josh says, don't use the PC until you use something to recover. You run the risk of overwriting the files you want to recover. The best case is to remove the hard drive and slave it in another machine then run whatever recovery program you use. I do it pretty much every day. No one does backups, including me. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup purposes. I had about 20GB of folders and files and I accidentally sent them to the Recycle Bin, but apparently the recycle bin can't handle that many so it just deleted them all. What file recovery program works best to restore folders with the files to the way it was before this happened? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
Mark, You need to practice making a distinction between "politics" and "partisan politics". WISPA provides this "General" list as a courtesy to the WISP Community therefore WISPA makes the rules. The rule is no partisan political arguments on this list. Here's where it's important to make that distinction between "political" and "partisan" political. Politics is about determining policy and codifying that policy into law. Many WISP-related items have a "political" side because we are bound by the rule of law as written by elected officials in Congress and interpreted and enforced by the FCC. WISPA addresses these political issues by having a Legislative Committee and an FCC Committee to lobby and advocate for policies that benefit our Members. These policies are not Democratic or Republican, not progressive or conservative. They are non-partisan. You are not a WISPA Member. If you want to influence the formation of these policies then you are welcome to pay your Membership dues, join WISPA and join one or more of our Committees. As a guest here, you are obligated to respect and observe our policy of "no partisan politics". Partisan politics drives away dues-paying Members away by denying them their right to a constructive list. Partisan politics posts on WISPA lists are destructive to our industry and have no place here. You obviously have a sharp mind and can contribute a lot to the betterment of this industry but you have to make your mind up to focus on constructive, non-partisan contributions that build our industry. If you need help finding some lists or websites where partisan politics are welcomed and discussed, please feel free to email me off-list or phone me. Best Regards, jack MDK wrote: I have limited sympathy with your comments for a simple reason...Health Care IS NOW a political topic.So is broadband. So is internet network operations. So is bandwidth control, so is hiring someone, so is firing someone, so are the money management choices you make, so is retirement, so are benefits, so are, well, dang near every aspect of our business lives. I'd say none of us, at least the smaller guys, asked for any of this to be brought upon us.20 years ago, hardly a single thing mentioned above was or had ANY political concerns, and now, they're all political, and rarely are the political concerns going to bring about wise or prudent outcomes. This has been pushed upon us, by interests not in our favor, and those interests are not going away, nor are they moderating in the slightest. In fact, they are intent upon making MUCH more of our businesses and lives political. Yes, there are simple dollar value equations to some aspects of employer based health care, but some of it's purely political now.Any discussion of bandwidth management and application prioritization necessitates a weighing and ultimately making judgments about political things. Even arguments over what the politics actually means and how far it intends to reach and how much it legally CAN reach. Which ultimately brings us to the point where we discuss the topic of health care the same way we discuss customers who use the CD tray as a coffee cup holder, or expect us to do miracles, on a budget of dander and fluff - and that discussion is by necessity as much political as moral, logical, ethical. So you want us to NOT express our opinions on the nature of the political intrusions into our business.Might as well say that we can't express opinion about cranky customers, or which operating system is best on SBC's or how to manage a network. By necessity, these things are all relevant, as are our opinions of them. But so, too, the political aspects of our business, must be at least some what legitimate to discuss, lest we as a group by default follow a political course with no discussion or even consideration to where that leads us. It would be reasonable and proper to ask to keep such discussions relevant and topically accurate, and to try to keep this from degenerating into a political flame war. More importantly, it is necessary that respect be given to those who don't agree with your opinion, and that the "there is only one default and acceptable opinion - that which is "politically correct" and I see that happen in a lot of places these days. And usually, that opinion and default position is utterly indefensible, but is never challenged, due to the powers that be preventing dissent. I would prefer that our discussions were not about politics. But they have to be, since politics has invited itself into darn near every aspect of our business.I'd say there's a powerful lesson there... but that would be ideological, huh. Sigh. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Forbes Mercy"
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
I hate you. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders All my data is located on a NAS of some type. Or Dropbox. On Aug 3, 2010 10:16 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I use the Active@ programs in our shop. Have for years. They charge $$ for it though. (But I don't recall every paying anything Hmm...) And as Josh says, don't use the PC until you use something to recover. You run the risk of overwriting the files you want to recover. The best case is to remove the hard drive and slave it in another machine then run whatever recovery program you use. I do it pretty much every day. No one does backups, including me. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders I am in the most need right now, I have a separate partition that is dedicated solely to backup... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I have learned many lessons in this business. I am sure I am not alone. One is that I provide a good service. One that is worth a fair price. I used to try to do everything to get a customer. Give away equipment and many other things. That usually leads to you and the company being taken advantage of. When I started charging for most everything (bear in mind these charges are fair and by no means am I the cheapest in town) my sales actually went up. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: ATT and Time Warner. You may have heard of them. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a portable /19 I am going to start renting.. John Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Depends on if you have to pay for it. Some upstreamproviders give them for free, others not. Some WISPS pay for their own block. Either way, as with everything in business, if I have to pay 15 bucks for a static you better believe that cost is gonna be passed on. That's a HUGE percentage of the cost of providing service to that customer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a consistent public IP. NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else. In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are doing NAT. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict (I think it's called open?). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here
Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders
Some one is unhappy tonight :( On Aug 3, 2010 11:06 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I hate you. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:19 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] URGENT recover deleted folders All my data is located on a NAS of some type. Or Dropbox. On Aug 3, 2010 10:16 PM, Robert... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
ARC panel dual polarity works well. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Return-Path: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Received: from outboundmail.mvn.net (outboundmail.mvn.net [66.232.160.104]) by mail.brevardwireless.com with SMTP; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:11:15 -0400 Received: by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id AA4C5C7FBC; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:11:25 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-mvn_20090108.1 (2008-06-10) on outboundmail.mvn.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=8.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5-mvn_20090108.1 Received: from plesk.mvn.net (plesk-1.mvn.net [66.232.160.84]) by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA442C8171 for sc...@brevardwireless.com; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:10:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 10017 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2010 10:10:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (HELO plesk.mvn.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Jul 2010 10:10:28 -0500 Delivered-To: 24-wirel...@wispa.org Received: (qmail 9181 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2010 10:10:21 -0500 Received: from mx1.mvn.net (HELO junkmail.mvn.net) (66.232.160.16) by webpanel.mvn.net with SMTP; 30 Jul 2010 10:10:21 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1280502619-127f0021-RAC2qD Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.200.141]) by junkmail.mvn.net with ESMTP id iZ1ueMMjfuzS8K5h for wireless@wispa.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:10:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: fgoldst...@ionary.com X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 64.68.200.141 Received-SPF: softfail (junkmail.mvn.net: transitioning domain of ionary.com does not designate 64.68.200.141 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.68.200.141; envelope-from=fgoldst...@ionary.com; Received: from IonaryDuo.mailout.easydns.com (209-150-49-3.c3-0.nwt-ubr3.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com [209.150.49.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC20930906 for wireless@wispa.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:10:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:10:05 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org From: Fred R. Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? Message-Id: 20100730151020.dc20930...@mailout.easydns.com X-Barracuda-Connect: mailout.easydns.com[64.68.200.141] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1280502619 X-Barracuda-URL: http://junkmail.mvn.net:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at mvn.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.36537 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description -- -- 0.00 BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL Custom Rule SPF Softfail Subject: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? X-BeenThere: wireless@wispa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org List-Id: WISPA General List wireless.wispa.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless List-Post: mailto:wireless@wispa.org List-Help: mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Errors-To: wireless-boun...@wispa.org X-Rcpt-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: Commtouch 0 [value: Unknown], SPF_Pass, DK_None, DKIM_None X-CTCH-RefId: str=0001.0A010207.4C52EBA5.0104,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: -2 I wonder if any of you have experience with 5.8 GHz MIMO antennas. I'm trying to design a point-to-point link, about 10 miles, that will carry a high percentage of a whole network's backhaul. So I'd like it to go at about 80 Mbps, MCS 12 in 20 MHz. The UBNT SR71-15 card can plug into a Routerboard and thus feed two antennas, or a dual-polarized antenna. I'd rather have one antenna than two. I can find dual-feed 2' dishes, but they're on the large side, with wind load and visibility issues. And I see a lot of single-feed panels, which can handle 11a-type traffic. I can run Ethernet into an external radio that comes in a panel, but that adds a hop and more complexity, and frankly most of the specs don't match the SR71-15's. There will be at least three antennas at each end, possibly four (backhaul plus local access). MiniPCI radios in, say, an RB600 seem easier to deal with. But who makes a standalone 5.8 GHz dual-polarized panel, something the 22-25 dB range
Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?
Yes you can run a cable through the bottom of enclosure and to the antenna. Works fine. I've done it - think of it as two antenna connections that have no change of water entering because they are inside. No need to even seal them. The ARC panels work very well. Shove a rocket in that enclosure and you will be happy with the results. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Return-Path: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Received: from outboundmail.mvn.net (outboundmail.mvn.net [66.232.160.104]) by mail.brevardwireless.com with SMTP; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:15:21 -0400 Received: by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6EDCBC7FB9; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:15:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-mvn_20090108.1 (2008-06-10) on outboundmail.mvn.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=8.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5-mvn_20090108.1 Received: from plesk.mvn.net (plesk-1.mvn.net [66.232.160.84]) by outboundmail.mvn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3991C8171 for sc...@brevardwireless.com; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:14:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 3251 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2010 11:14:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (HELO plesk.mvn.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Jul 2010 11:14:41 -0500 Delivered-To: 24-wirel...@wispa.org Received: (qmail 2366 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2010 11:14:33 -0500 Received: from mx1.mvn.net (HELO junkmail.mvn.net) (66.232.160.16) by webpanel.mvn.net with SMTP; 30 Jul 2010 11:14:33 -0500 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1280506471-1750017f0001-RAC2qD Received: from mailout.easydns.com (mailout.easydns.com [64.68.200.141]) by junkmail.mvn.net with ESMTP id WU5wao571ZfyhWYd for wireless@wispa.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:14:31 -0500 (CDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: fgoldst...@ionary.com X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 64.68.200.141 Received-SPF: softfail (junkmail.mvn.net: transitioning domain of ionary.com does not designate 64.68.200.141 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.68.200.141; envelope-from=fgoldst...@ionary.com; Received: from IonaryDuo.mailout.easydns.com (209-150-49-3.c3-0.nwt-ubr3.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com [209.150.49.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AE1308F1 for wireless@wispa.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:14:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:14:25 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com In-Reply-To: 4c52f6d5.2030...@tc3net.com X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? References: 20100730151020.dc20930...@mailout.easydns.com 4c52ef8b.6090...@tc3net.com e0faac2954bac6459a09c629880f395245115c9...@vmbx102.ihostexchange.net 4c52f6d5.2030...@tc3net.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: 20100730161433.77ae130...@mailout.easydns.com X-Barracuda-Connect: mailout.easydns.com[64.68.200.141] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1280506471 X-Barracuda-URL: http://junkmail.mvn.net:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at mvn.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.36541 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description -- -- 0.00 BSF_SPF_SOFTFAIL Custom Rule SPF Softfail Subject: Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas? X-BeenThere: wireless@wispa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org List-Id: WISPA General List wireless.wispa.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless List-Post: mailto:wireless@wispa.org List-Help: mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless, mailto:wireless-requ...@wispa.org?subject=subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Errors-To: wireless-boun...@wispa.org X-Rcpt-To: sc...@brevardwireless.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: Commtouch 0 [value: Unknown], SPF_Pass, DK_None, DKIM_None X-CTCH-RefId: str=0001.0A010204.4C52FAA9.0219,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: -2 The trouble with the Powerbridge is that it has the radio built in, and is thus an Ethernet hop away from the switch (probably a Routerboard), and one more active device to manage. Also, since a Ubiquiti card drives the radio, it can only run in Airmax or 802.11 mode, not however the Routerboard might be able to drive it (for exmmple, MT's new nv2 mode). What I want is the Powerbridge's antenna by itself! That would be exactly what I'm
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can have a file or web server and it does not adversely affect the overall WISP network performance. Sure it does. Last week's discussion confirmed that the average ISP retail residential customer generates a load of about 50-100 kbps. A lot higher when using it, near zero at other times. But a file server can pump an Mbps or more all day and night. The whole trick to low residential pricing is a high oversubscription ratio, and this is especially true with wireless. This level of throughput management should come under the reasonable network management definition that service providers are allowed to perform. This throttling is also application-independent so no selective throttling by application is needed. Finally, the throttling is implemented in routing tables full time and once programmed, it requires no human interaction. Reasonable is a rule of man, not rule of law construct. Blocking the pirate CDN was not considered reasonable when it was not done by an ILEC. I would rather allow ISPs to do as they please, at risk of displeasing their customers, rather than follow rules designed to please a cheapskate pR0n distributor. And banning servers is a good way to keep the average load and thus the cost and price down. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? You could limit throughput neutrally, provided that it limited upstream file service and interactive applications like gaming and telephony equally. That's basically what Comcast consented to do. However, those applications usually require a person to be there; content distribution runs 7x24. Their ToS (I'm a customer) prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that unreasonable. I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities on Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it perfectly desirable. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed network neutrality rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price. I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
Comments inline. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can have a file or web server and it does not adversely affect the overall WISP network performance. Sure it does. Last week's discussion confirmed that the average ISP retail residential customer generates a load of about 50-100 kbps. A lot higher when "using" it, near zero at other times. But a file server can pump an Mbps or more all day and night. The whole trick to low residential pricing is a high oversubscription ratio, and this is especially true with wireless. Then put a monthly bandwidth cap (or caps) into your Terms of Service and price your service accordingly. This level of throughput management should come under the "reasonable network management" definition that service providers are allowed to perform. This throttling is also application-independent so no selective throttling by application is needed. Finally, the throttling is implemented in routing tables full time and once programmed, it requires no human interaction. "Reasonable" is a "rule of man", not "rule of law" construct. Blocking the pirate CDN was not considered "reasonable" when it was not done by an ILEC. I would rather allow ISPs to do as they please, at risk of displeasing their customers, rather than follow rules designed to please a cheapskate pR0n distributor. And banning servers is a good way to keep the average load and thus the cost and price down. With no rules, what are you going to do when your upstream provider decides to block or throttle your network for whatever the reason? They are after all just "doing what they please". Without some kind of network neutrality protection, there's no law against blocking you, right? Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? You could limit throughput "neutrally", provided that it limited upstream file service and interactive applications like gaming and telephony equally. That's basically what Comcast consented to do. However, those applications usually require a person to be there; content distribution runs 7x24. Their ToS (I'm a customer) prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that unreasonable. I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities on Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it perfectly desirable. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price. I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
And thats exactly where upload bandwidth users should be, in your noc. Why tie up valuable AP time with a subscriber using upstream time? Most people want download speed. Others can use a hosting service or your noc :) On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't think many people are going to see this. Pretty sure every ISP out there has a heavier download ratio then upload ratio. The upload bandwidth is minimal (say 512k) so it isn't like they can host much on it. I do have a customer that pays for 2U of rack space in our NOC for their game servers. This is awesome for everyone - it saves them money versus a big colo, uses my under utilized upstream and they get a great connection for their games. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Charging for a Static IP is also a deterrent. Most of the time either gamers or people who want to run servers want static public IP addresses. You don’t want some kid hosting 10 other friends on his connection do you? This is why most gamers need to have a public IP. They are essentially running a server for their buddies to connect to. All Xbox Live does is connect to the best host (aka other person) to feed off them. If you are going to hand out public IP addresses to residential customers assign them from a pool and make them change so often via DHCP. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:00:42 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
