[WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can't remember what they were. I don't think it was performance - had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn't be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they were. I don’t think it was performance – had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
The reason we used it on WinXP was so it could link easily with a mobile to forward SMS alerts. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 14:28 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they were. I don’t think it was performance – had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Wish I would remember. I'll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can't remember what they were. I don't think it was performance - had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn't be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Web interface is on mine, ROS 3.30 Dude 3.6. I check it with my Droid X from time to time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.comwrote: Wish I would remember. I’ll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they were. I don’t think it was performance – had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Oh, I remember now. Dude from time to time would just stop responding for no real reason and we had to bring down the router to get it going again. We had it running at that time on a router that wasn't critical, but became real inconvenient to reboot. It got to the point that it was becoming a daily thing so we dropped it on RouterOS and went back to WinXP. If I go back to RouterOS it will be on a dedicated RouterOS system just for Dude. We never figured out what was going on with it when it would quit responding - worked with Mikrotik support a little bit on it but we weren't interested in spending much time on it - we just moved on to a different setup. That has been a couple of years ago so things may have changed since then. We also would lose all history when we restarted RouterOS, but I think that was because it was not configured correctly, or because we were running it on an RB433. At any rate it probably wasn't a big deal to work around / fix if we had spent some time on it but I just decided to move it back to an XP box and go on. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Web interface is on mine, ROS 3.30 Dude 3.6. I check it with my Droid X from time to time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Wish I would remember. I'll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can't remember what they were. I don't think it was performance - had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn't be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I've only rebooted mine for upgrades and enabling/disabling ntp/routing and such. I hate having Windows servers to support, it may just be me but I feel they always cause more problems then they solve - ESPECIALLY in time. I really hate the storage issues, though. Backups have to be done manually - keep that in mind! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.comwrote: Oh, I remember now. Dude from time to time would just stop responding for no real reason and we had to bring down the router to get it going again. We had it running at that time on a router that wasn’t critical, but became real inconvenient to reboot. It got to the point that it was becoming a daily thing so we dropped it on RouterOS and went back to WinXP. If I go back to RouterOS it will be on a dedicated RouterOS system just for Dude. We never figured out what was going on with it when it would quit responding – worked with Mikrotik support a little bit on it but we weren’t interested in spending much time on it – we just moved on to a different setup. That has been a couple of years ago so things may have changed since then. We also would lose all history when we restarted RouterOS, but I think that was because it was not configured correctly, or because we were running it on an RB433. At any rate it probably wasn’t a big deal to work around / fix if we had spent some time on it but I just decided to move it back to an XP box and go on. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:32 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Web interface is on mine, ROS 3.30 Dude 3.6. I check it with my Droid X from time to time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Wish I would remember. I’ll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they were. I don’t think it was performance – had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I don't mind Windows Servers - have been running them for many years for all critical web hosting, RADIUS, mail, etc. Key to Windows servers is configuration and lockdown - only run minimal services, good firewalling, don't overload, etc. Are you running Dude on x86 ROS or on an RB? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I've only rebooted mine for upgrades and enabling/disabling ntp/routing and such. I hate having Windows servers to support, it may just be me but I feel they always cause more problems then they solve - ESPECIALLY in time. I really hate the storage issues, though. Backups have to be done manually - keep that in mind! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Oh, I remember now. Dude from time to time would just stop responding for no real reason and we had to bring down the router to get it going again. We had it running at that time on a router that wasn't critical, but became real inconvenient to reboot. It got to the point that it was becoming a daily thing so we dropped it on RouterOS and went back to WinXP. If I go back to RouterOS it will be on a dedicated RouterOS system just for Dude. We never figured out what was going on with it when it would quit responding - worked with Mikrotik support a little bit on it but we weren't interested in spending much time on it - we just moved on to a different setup. That has been a couple of years ago so things may have changed since then. We also would lose all history when we restarted RouterOS, but I think that was because it was not configured correctly, or because we were running it on an RB433. At any rate it probably wasn't a big deal to work around / fix if we had spent some time on it but I just decided to move it back to an XP box and go on. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Web interface is on mine, ROS 3.30 Dude 3.6. I check it with my Droid X from time to time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Wish I would remember. I'll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can't remember what they were. I don't think it was performance - had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn't be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I am using x86. Local college tossed a whole bunch of low end machines (ran XP) and I picked up a couple dozen. 3 Towers are sitting side by side in the shelves - 1 running Dude and the other 2 for spare hardware. I would imagine you could do the same thing with random garage sale PCs, but I'm not sure how happy MT would be with bridge/chipset changes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.comwrote: I don’t mind Windows Servers – have been running them for many years for all critical web hosting, RADIUS, mail, etc. Key to Windows servers is configuration and lockdown – only run minimal services, good firewalling, don’t overload, etc. Are you running Dude on x86 ROS or on an RB? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:51 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I've only rebooted mine for upgrades and enabling/disabling ntp/routing and such. I hate having Windows servers to support, it may just be me but I feel they always cause more problems then they solve - ESPECIALLY in time. I really hate the storage issues, though. Backups have to be done manually - keep that in mind! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Oh, I remember now. Dude from time to time would just stop responding for no real reason and we had to bring down the router to get it going again. We had it running at that time on a router that wasn’t critical, but became real inconvenient to reboot. It got to the point that it was becoming a daily thing so we dropped it on RouterOS and went back to WinXP. If I go back to RouterOS it will be on a dedicated RouterOS system just for Dude. We never figured out what was going on with it when it would quit responding – worked with Mikrotik support a little bit on it but we weren’t interested in spending much time on it – we just moved on to a different setup. That has been a couple of years ago so things may have changed since then. We also would lose all history when we restarted RouterOS, but I think that was because it was not configured correctly, or because we were running it on an RB433. At any rate it probably wasn’t a big deal to work around / fix if we had spent some time on it but I just decided to move it back to an XP box and go on. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:32 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Web interface is on mine, ROS 3.30 Dude 3.6. I check it with my Droid X from time to time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Wish I would remember. I’ll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they were. I don’t think it was performance – had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email:
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Do you recommend turning on automatic updates? Software or hardware firewall? Do you have an antivirus recommendation? I use Avira free (I hate paying for antivirus). It's the best I've used. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: I don’t mind Windows Servers – have been running them for many years for all critical web hosting, RADIUS, mail, etc. Key to Windows servers is configuration and lockdown – only run minimal services, good firewalling, don’t overload, etc. Are you running Dude on x86 ROS or on an RB? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I've only rebooted mine for upgrades and enabling/disabling ntp/routing and such. I hate having Windows servers to support, it may just be me but I feel they always cause more problems then they solve - ESPECIALLY in time. I really hate the storage issues, though. Backups have to be done manually - keep that in mind! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Oh, I remember now. Dude from time to time would just stop responding for no real reason and we had to bring down the router to get it going again. We had it running at that time on a router that wasn’t critical, but became real inconvenient to reboot. It got to the point that it was becoming a daily thing so we dropped it on RouterOS and went back to WinXP. If I go back to RouterOS it will be on a dedicated RouterOS system just for Dude. We never figured out what was going on with it when it would quit responding – worked with Mikrotik support a little bit on it but we weren’t interested in spending much time on it – we just moved on to a different setup. That has been a couple of years ago so things may have changed since then. We also would lose all history when we restarted RouterOS, but I think that was because it was not configured correctly, or because we were running it on an RB433. At any rate it probably wasn’t a big deal to work around / fix if we had spent some time on it but I just decided to move it back to an XP box and go on. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Web interface is on mine, ROS 3.30 Dude 3.6. I check it with my Droid X from time to time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Wish I would remember. I’ll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they were. I don’t think it was performance – had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed.
[WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I do auto download on the updates, but I install them myself - normally late at night. Last thing I want is a bad patch killing my network and a critical server. Hardware firewall - or something dedicated to firewalling. Windows firewall sucks - not very configurable and gets in the way when you don't want it to, and won't move out of the way when you do want it to. Avira is fantastic and we're migrating all of our commercial stuff to it (paid version). Have had more than one instance now of a suspicious file on a customer's pc that we upload to www.virustotal.com and Avira was the only one that picked up on it being a bad file. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Do you recommend turning on automatic updates? Software or hardware firewall? Do you have an antivirus recommendation? I use Avira free (I hate paying for antivirus). It's the best I've used. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: I don't mind Windows Servers - have been running them for many years for all critical web hosting, RADIUS, mail, etc. Key to Windows servers is configuration and lockdown - only run minimal services, good firewalling, don't overload, etc. Are you running Dude on x86 ROS or on an RB? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I've only rebooted mine for upgrades and enabling/disabling ntp/routing and such. I hate having Windows servers to support, it may just be me but I feel they always cause more problems then they solve - ESPECIALLY in time. I really hate the storage issues, though. Backups have to be done manually - keep that in mind! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Oh, I remember now. Dude from time to time would just stop responding for no real reason and we had to bring down the router to get it going again. We had it running at that time on a router that wasn't critical, but became real inconvenient to reboot. It got to the point that it was becoming a daily thing so we dropped it on RouterOS and went back to WinXP. If I go back to RouterOS it will be on a dedicated RouterOS system just for Dude. We never figured out what was going on with it when it would quit responding - worked with Mikrotik support a little bit on it but we weren't interested in spending much time on it - we just moved on to a different setup. That has been a couple of years ago so things may have changed since then. We also would lose all history when we restarted RouterOS, but I think that was because it was not configured correctly, or because we were running it on an RB433. At any rate it probably wasn't a big deal to work around / fix if we had spent some time on it but I just decided to move it back to an XP box and go on. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Web interface is on mine, ROS 3.30 Dude 3.6. I check it with my Droid X from time to time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Wish I would remember. I'll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can't remember what they were. I don't think it was performance - had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
What we just did this month for SAF Lumina: Site 1, install it all Site 2, install it all, align Site 1, align We did cheat (compared it to a 5Ghz dish that we are upgrading). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I do auto download on the updates, but Iinstall them myself – normally late at night. Last thing I want is a bad patch killing my network and a critical server. This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.comwrote: I do auto download on the updates, but I install them myself – normally late at night. Last thing I want is a bad patch killing my network and a critical server. Hardware firewall – or something dedicated to firewalling. Windows firewall sucks – not very configurable and gets in the way when you don’t want it to, and won’t move out of the way when you do want it to. Avira is fantastic and we’re migrating all of our commercial stuff to it (paid version). Have had more than one instance now of a suspicious file on a customer’s pc that we upload to www.virustotal.com and Avira was the only one that picked up on it being a bad file. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:10 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Do you recommend turning on automatic updates? Software or hardware firewall? Do you have an antivirus recommendation? I use Avira free (I hate paying for antivirus). It's the best I've used. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: I don’t mind Windows Servers – have been running them for many years for all critical web hosting, RADIUS, mail, etc. Key to Windows servers is configuration and lockdown – only run minimal services, good firewalling, don’t overload, etc. Are you running Dude on x86 ROS or on an RB? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:51 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I've only rebooted mine for upgrades and enabling/disabling ntp/routing and such. I hate having Windows servers to support, it may just be me but I feel they always cause more problems then they solve - ESPECIALLY in time. I really hate the storage issues, though. Backups have to be done manually - keep that in mind! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Oh, I remember now. Dude from time to time would just stop responding for no real reason and we had to bring down the router to get it going again. We had it running at that time on a router that wasn’t critical, but became real inconvenient to reboot. It got to the point that it was becoming a daily thing so we dropped it on RouterOS and went back to WinXP. If I go back to RouterOS it will be on a dedicated RouterOS system just for Dude. We never figured out what was going on with it when it would quit responding – worked with Mikrotik support a little bit on it but we weren’t interested in spending much time on it – we just moved on to a different setup. That has been a couple of years ago so things may have changed since then. We also would lose all history when we restarted RouterOS, but I think that was because it was not configured correctly, or because we were running it on an RB433. At any rate it probably wasn’t a big deal to work around / fix if we had spent some time on it but I just decided to move it back to an XP box and go on. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:32 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Web interface is on mine, ROS 3.30 Dude 3.6. I check it with my Droid X from time to time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Wish I would remember. I’ll try to look / think back and see. It may have to do with the web interface, but maybe not. Ug! J *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they were. I don’t think it was performance – had more to do with features available or something
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Yeah that's what we do now. I'd like to save the 2nd trip to the first site. ;) - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment What we just did this month for SAF Lumina: Site 1, install it all Site 2, install it all, align Site 1, align We did cheat (compared it to a 5Ghz dish that we are upgrading). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
You also need to make sure that the software is taking into account magnetic declination, or that you know what your declination is if it is giving azimuth from true north. If you don't know what declination is, look it up. Otherwise you'll be several degrees off. Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
1) Put the side up that's in town first and guestimate to the best of your ability (if new frequency), align to another radio on tower if already have similar freq. 2) Install remote and align to first radio 3) Back in town do final alignment of first radio. Famous phone conversation with office: Left left left, ok back right --- there lock it down, now vertical up, up, up, ok down, down, up, perfect lock it in. Then don't bump it while tightening or you'll get back to the office and check it again and go DOH! Forbes On 10/19/2010 8:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
(sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-organd other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative “safe harbor,” ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Also note, because regular compass works on magnatism, it will not always function accurately on top of tall buildings, because of all the other forces up there that screw with it. So usually, we print a map, draw a line, and look for landmarks, and calculate the degree to a specific landmark, therefore we can align / verify our compass to that landmark. GPS compass will work more accurately. We do almost all our 5.X dish alignments with a single tech, one side at a time, and we find it quicker (man hours) to do it that way, even when a second trip is needed to the first site.. If aligning millimeterwave 24Ghz and above, well its like near impossible to do quickly without two people. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Whoa declination is very important. Wikipedia has a link to a NOAA calculator where you put in your ZIP code (or GPS coordinates), date, tell it to compute your declination. Then you have to know how to calculate it. Here's the link: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomagmodels/Declination.jsp You WILL be several degress off if you don't adjust for it on your compass. - Original Message - From: Cameron Crum To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You also need to make sure that the software is taking into account magnetic declination, or that you know what your declination is if it is giving azimuth from true north. If you don't know what declination is, look it up. Otherwise you'll be several degrees off. Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I wonder how accurate(ish) a GPS compass app would be on the iphone/blackberry/android. Plug in the GPS coordinates of the other side and may get the link pretty close??? At least close enough to know that you're pointing it in the right direction (picture fog all around you on the tower...staring out into nothing but fog...don't know which way is which due to winding roads to the tower). If you're close enough, you will get a link when you put the other end of the link up, and you can at LEAST peak the 2nd dish, then go back to the first. If you're way off, they won't link, and you end up spinning your wheels. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
we sent someone out in the field with a mirror and looked for the reflections On 10/19/2010 11:28 AM, Mark Nash wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I run up a 3 foot helium balloon and use a pair of binoculars. Works every time. NGL From: Data Technology Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the DTISP MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
How about a bunch of little balloons with promotional advertising on the balloons? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:42 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: I run up a 3 foot helium balloon and use a pair of binoculars. Works every time. NGL From: Data Technology Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the DTISP MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.comwrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Cool Idea. On 10/19/2010 11:12 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: I run up a 3 foot helium balloon and use a pair of binoculars. Works every time. NGL *From:* Data Technology mailto:w...@dtisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:06 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
The phone app will also run LOS profiles between your location and a chosen tower...FYI. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.comwrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Where is this app? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Mike, replying offlist... On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Where is this app? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.comwrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Yah.thought I was gonna see this a few days ago.grin Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Mike, replying offlist... On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Where is this app? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
The iphone has an app called wifi align, and we have been using it with pretty good results...can overlay your tower location via GPS onto your camera view. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Yah…thought I was gonna see this a few days ago…grin Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:37 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Mike, replying offlist... On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Where is this app? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end.
[WISPA] Ubiquity 900
Are the LocoM900's delayed, or not shipping yet? Seams odd to have rockets + sectors with nothing reasonable to use for clients. Is it just my vendor of choice? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity 900
They should arrive with the NSM3's 11/1/2010 :( On 10/19/2010 12:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Are the LocoM900's delayed, or not shipping yet? Seams odd to have rockets + sectors with nothing reasonable to use for clients. Is it just my vendor of choice? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3650 Deployment
Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
I have it deployed in all those except the hill part. Be glad to talk. Sent from my iPhone4 On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:08 PM, David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com wrote: Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity 900
That is a seriously bad joke. Ubnt needs to get with it. I could use 50~100 LM900's over the next 2 to 3 months, where I do not need even 1 rocketM900. Looks like I will keep moving with the micro relays, and then end up using a dozen or so loco's next year. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:05 AM, support supp...@nitline.com wrote: They should arrive with the NSM3's 11/1/2010 :( On 10/19/2010 12:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Are the LocoM900's delayed, or not shipping yet? Seams odd to have rockets + sectors with nothing reasonable to use for clients. Is it just my vendor of choice? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 17:15 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Or SICE AirGhz. It's a free iPhone app that uses the internal compass to point you at the site, which you can add with lat/long. It also has the uptilt measurement built in, so you can hold the phone up against the back of the antenna, and it'll help you get the correct tilt. Pretty cool, but really only works on the iPhone 4 -- the predecessor's compass wasn't accurate enough. Kevin - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment The iphone has an app called wifi align, and we have been using it with pretty good results...can overlay your tower location via GPS onto your camera view. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Yah…thought I was gonna see this a few days ago…grin Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Mike, replying offlist... On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Where is this app? :-p -Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:17:56 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:18 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 17:15 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
That's neat too, just downloaded it... Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.netwrote: Or SICE AirGhz. It's a free iPhone app that uses the internal compass to point you at the site, which you can add with lat/long. It also has the uptilt measurement built in, so you can hold the phone up against the back of the antenna, and it'll help you get the correct tilt. Pretty cool, but really only works on the iPhone 4 -- the predecessor's compass wasn't accurate enough. Kevin - Original Message - *From:* Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:43 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment The iphone has an app called wifi align, and we have been using it with pretty good results...can overlay your tower location via GPS onto your camera view. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Yah…thought I was gonna see this a few days ago…grin Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:37 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Mike, replying offlist... On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Where is this app? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
We have been using it a month or two, pretty slick app! you look at your camera and move around and your towers float in on the I Phone's screen, like right over the third tree in the orchard, etc. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment The iphone has an app called wifi align, and we have been using it with pretty good results...can overlay your tower location via GPS onto your camera view. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Yah.thought I was gonna see this a few days ago.grin Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Mike, replying offlist... On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Where is this app? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/19/2010 11:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: WispMon Pro has a phone app that will tell you distance and bearing to any of the towers in your database from your current location and plot it for you on a map. We are toying with making the app available for a small price to the general public, but it will need some mods so you can enter your tower locations manually and store them in a local file/db on the phone. Hit me offlist if you are interested and we'll try to get it out quicker if there is a big show of hands. Regards, Cameron On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA mailto:wireless@wispa.org General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA mailto:wireless@wispa.org General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I temporarily install a sector in place of the dish on one side and use it as a guide to get me the best signal from the other side. Then go back and remove the sector and install the second dish. I can usually get it dead on pretty quickly. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity 900
lol your not the only one, we need about 300 locoM900's and about 500 NSM3's like about 3 months ago.. I love ubnt products but this shipping thing is killing us.. Ryan On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: Are the LocoM900's delayed, or not shipping yet? Seams odd to have rockets + sectors with nothing reasonable to use for clients. Is it just my vendor of choice? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Align the best you can on the first tower, come down, move the second tower until it's perfect! J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
It¹s not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. It¹s major advantage is the noise floor. Don¹t expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
Yes. Benn talk of it for a few weeks at least. They want keys to all encryption and a way to tap in at a moment's notice. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
What about the lawn chair and b-b gun? Safety equipment is always important. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I run up a 3 foot helium balloon and use a pair of binoculars. Works every time. NGL From: Data Technology mailto:w...@dtisp.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the http://www.dtisp.com/ DTISP MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative “safe harbor,” ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
It's been suggested that it's as good or better than 900MHz NLOS up to about 4mi. Thoughts? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: It’s not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. It’s major advantage is the noise floor. Don’t expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
First thing I would do is put it on RouterOS and see if it's some sort of Windows issue. If the problem still exists on RouterOS, you have a lot more ground to stand on when bringing it up to Mikrotik. I would use the forum. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:45 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:18 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 17:15 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
From what I am hearing, equipment selection can play a vital role. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment It's been suggested that it's as good or better than 900MHz NLOS up to about 4mi. Thoughts? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: It's not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. It's major advantage is the noise floor. Don't expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support _ From: David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:25 PM, MDK wrote: LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative “safe harbor,” ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
Through heavy foliage (4 miles and 20 oak trees), when using 3.65 vs 900 Motorola equipment I got better downlink but worse uplink. This was because the CPE is only 2x1 MIMO (has only one TX radio). I believe the use of a true 2x2 MIMO 3.65 CPE will perform better than most 900 systems in some environments. What I would really like to see is a FHSS MIMO 900 system that uses the whole band. With sync and coordinated hopping patterns this could outperform any system out there for foliage penetration and interference avoidance. Things to note: Clean noise floor on 3.65 and most connections were -82db to -88db receive. Noise floor in 900 was -75db so most connections would not link due to noise. 900 was single horizontal polarity. 3.65 was MIMO. 900 is limited to 4 watts EIRP. 3.65 is can use up to 10 watts EIRP in a 10mhz channel. On 10/19/2010 12:10 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote: From what I am hearing, equipment selection can play a vital role. Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment It's been suggestedthat it's as good or better than900MHz NLOS up to about 4mi. Thoughts? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Its not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. Its major advantage is the noise floor. Dont expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested,hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
I have a customer at 2 miles that is completely non line of sight that is at -78 if that helps. Sent from my iPhone4 On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: It's been suggested that it's as good or better than 900MHz NLOS up to about 4mi. Thoughts? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: It’s not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. It’s major advantage is the noise floor. Don’t expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
Never fear. Wiki Leaks will post all the decrypt keys and I'll have them all put onto a tee-shirt and sell it on eBay It's all good. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:25 PM, MDK wrote: LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
News max popped up with it but not too much of an explanation. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
More of the change everyone wanted Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 2:25 PM, MDK wrote: LOL... Seriously, I've not seen any mention of this anywhere on any of the wireless sites, nor any other news site... So, my question... Does anyone know anything about this? I'm thinking that just about every telecom/internet/isp/voip/etc engaged entity should be on high alert to head this off at the pass, so to speak. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? They'll call it the obama-air bill. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/19wiretap.html?_r=1 Quote: An Obama administration task force that includes officials from the Justice and Commerce Departments, the http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal _bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org F.B.I.and other agencies recently began working on draft legislation to strengthen and expand the Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act, a 1994 law that says telephone and broadband companies must design their services so that they can begin conducting surveillance of a target immediately after being presented with a court order. There is not yet agreement over the details, according to officials familiar with the deliberations, but they said the administration intends to submit a package to Congress next year. Another quote: Another proposal would create an incentive for companies to show new systems to the F.B.I. before deployment. Under the plan, an agreement with the bureau certifying that the system is acceptable would be an alternative safe harbor, ensuring the firm could not be fined. I am obviously not being... anything other that correct to say People, this is serious... You can't deploy anything new until the government approves of it, or face massive liability for fines and fees? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
Second order diversity antenna systems can make a very big difference in the overall performance too. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment I have a customer at 2 miles that is completely non line of sight that is at -78 if that helps. Sent from my iPhone4 On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: It's been suggested that it's as good or better than 900MHz NLOS up to about 4mi. Thoughts? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: It’s not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. It’s major advantage is the noise floor. Don’t expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support _ From: David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC _ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Already raised on the forum but as with many issues on there, no input from MT and hence the question here. Thought that if anyone had seen this before that they would be on WISPA somewhere ;) I'll bring up a VM tomorrow with RouterOS just to rule it out of the equation. Many thanks, Paul. -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: 19/10/2010 9:10 pm First thing I would do is put it on RouterOS and see if it's some sort of Windows issue. If the problem still exists on RouterOS, you have a lot more ground to stand on when bringing it up to Mikrotik. I would use the forum. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:45 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:18 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 17:15 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
On a couple of towers we put strobes on them and put them on the remote reboot unit. Fire em up from our smart phones when we can't find the tower for installs and such. On 10/19/2010 11:54 AM, Robert West wrote: What about the lawn chair and b-b gun? Safety equipment is always important. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:13 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I run up a 3 foot helium balloon and use a pair of binoculars. Works every time. NGL *From:* Data Technology mailto:w...@dtisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:06 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just did a ptp install of 5g 2ft rocket dishs at 6.47 miles and could not see either tower. Now I already had a ptp link to another tower from tower 1 so this helped. I used Google Earth to map out the points and then used the ruler to connect each ptp link. I took the map with me on tower 1 and mounted and aligned the dish. I just eyeballed the direction of the dish in relation to the existing dish using the Google map. I got everything powered up and then went to tower 2. At tower 2 I had a landmark that I thought was close to the right direction. Mounted dish and pointed at landmark and had a signal. I then aligned dish while guy on ground gave signal reports. I have not gone back up on tower 1 yet to tweak dish. I actually have a 67 signal when lingowave said it should be 57 so I do need to align dish on tower 1. I did not want to believe Google maps at first but when I actually got up on tower I could tell it was about right. I have tried using a compass but on a tower the compass will not work correctly. Guess the metal structure throws the magnetic field off. On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Let us know how that goes. I wonder if this 2GB limit is going to be a major issue. Still surprised logs, graphs and numbers are 2GB. You can compress text so well that seems like more data then anyone could ever use in a life time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Already raised on the forum but as with many issues on there, no input from MT and hence the question here. Thought that if anyone had seen this before that they would be on WISPA somewhere ;) I'll bring up a VM tomorrow with RouterOS just to rule it out of the equation. Many thanks, Paul. -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: 19/10/2010 9:10 pm First thing I would do is put it on RouterOS and see if it's some sort of Windows issue. If the problem still exists on RouterOS, you have a lot more ground to stand on when bringing it up to Mikrotik. I would use the forum. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:45 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:18 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 17:15 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
We hillbilly them up all the time and most of the time don't need to go back to tower 1. Every once in a while we might have to go back and tweak the alignment a little. I use Delorme Topo USA and a GPS receiver on my laptop. Mark both locations and draw a line between the towers. Zoom in and start walking directly away from the tower in the direction of the link and keep the little arrow thingy on the line. I go out a few hundred feet, make sure I'm on the line and drop a direction target to shoot at. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Wow what an awesome range of responses. What a value to WISPA, eh? Thanks everyone! We've definitely improved our practices today... Mark - Original Message - From: Jim Patient To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment We hillbilly them up all the time and most of the time don't need to go back to tower 1. Every once in a while we might have to go back and tweak the alignment a little. I use Delorme Topo USA and a GPS receiver on my laptop. Mark both locations and draw a line between the towers. Zoom in and start walking directly away from the tower in the direction of the link and keep the little arrow thingy on the line. I go out a few hundred feet, make sure I'm on the line and drop a direction target to shoot at. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I've finder this for installs, but I use a tree line or if I'm lucky a square building, land plot, silo, etc. On Oct 19, 2010 6:03 PM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: We hillbilly them up all the time and most of the time don't need to go back to tower 1. Every once in a while we might have to go back and tweak the alignment a little. I use Delorme Topo USA and a GPS receiver on my laptop. Mark both locations and draw a line between the towers. Zoom in and start walking directly away from the tower in the direction of the link and keep the little arrow thingy on the line. I go out a few hundred feet, make sure I'm on the line and drop a direction target to shoot at. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity 900
Where did you get the RocketM9's ? -- Original Message -- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:56:27 -0700 Are the LocoM900's delayed, or not shipping yet? Seams odd to have rockets + sectors with nothing reasonable to use for clients. Is it just my vendor of choice? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity 900
still waiting for those too lol.. Ryan On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Where did you get the RocketM9's ? -- Original Message -- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:56:27 -0700 Are the LocoM900's delayed, or not shipping yet? Seams odd to have rockets + sectors with nothing reasonable to use for clients. Is it just my vendor of choice? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
Thanks for the info. We have been, to this point, a Motorola shop. Any thoughts on the Motorola 3650 equipment? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Second order diversity antenna systems can make a very big difference in the overall performance too. Brian *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeremie Chism *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:22 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment I have a customer at 2 miles that is completely non line of sight that is at -78 if that helps. Sent from my iPhone4 On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: It's been suggested that it's as good or better than 900MHz NLOS up to about 4mi. Thoughts? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: It’s not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. It’s major advantage is the noise floor. Don’t expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support -- *From: *David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment
There are several flavors of 3650 wimax out there. Motorola definitely has its advantages but there are some draw backs also. I would dig a little deeper into motorola and then look at axxcelera or one of the other ones. Sent from my iPhone4 On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:02 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the info. We have been, to this point, a Motorola shop. Any thoughts on the Motorola 3650 equipment? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Second order diversity antenna systems can make a very big difference in the overall performance too. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment I have a customer at 2 miles that is completely non line of sight that is at -78 if that helps. Sent from my iPhone4 On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: It's been suggested that it's as good or better than 900MHz NLOS up to about 4mi. Thoughts? Dave On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: It’s not magic by any means. Still have the physics of the signal to deal with. It’s major advantage is the noise floor. Don’t expect 3.65 by itself to go through stuff more. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: David Hannum d.han...@newerabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:08:53 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Deployment Hello all, Is anyone who is having success with 3.65GHz in very rural, forrested, hilly areas willing to talk on the phone about it? We're looking at deploying it over 2.4GHz here in the near future. Looking for reasons to or not to from experienced operators. Kind Regards, David Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
Hi, Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address space from ARIN? Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a WISP to justify need? There are specific provisions for cable operators so that they can request enough space for every household they are able to serve. I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what the basis for our need should look like. Also, the ARIN policy refers to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that is. Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who looks like they have their documentation together? My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
I asked about the cable exemption and they said it was only for cable operators and not for anyone that assigns IPs to a geographic area (tower). We were able to get more space by showing over 80% of our existing space was assigned to other entities (customers) and of that space 50% of the major blocks were used. I believe those numbers are in their docs. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Hi, Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address space from ARIN? Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a WISP to justify need? There are specific provisions for cable operators so that they can request enough space for every household they are able to serve. I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what the basis for our need should look like. Also, the ARIN policy refers to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that is. Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who looks like they have their documentation together? My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity 900
I did not get them, my rep said they have them in hand. I have no use for them with out the loco's, and even then, no use. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote: still waiting for those too lol.. Ryan On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Where did you get the RocketM9's ? -- Original Message -- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:56:27 -0700 Are the LocoM900's delayed, or not shipping yet? Seams odd to have rockets + sectors with nothing reasonable to use for clients. Is it just my vendor of choice? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
Start by taking toll of all your existing customers and how many IP addresses you will need for each one. Then you will need to show how many additional IPs you will need in 6 months, 1 year, etc. When I went for our second /20, i showed that we were near our 80% mark on the first /20 and that we needed the additional /20 for growth. The ARIN staff is very helpful in making sure you get them all the information they need. It is also very helpful to include your plans for IPv6. This was you show them that you have a plan to migrate to IPv6 in the future. I would go for your IPv4 and IPv6 requests at the same time. If you have any questions or would like to see our application, hit me off-list and i will shoot you over a copy of it. On 10/19/2010 9:36 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: Hi, Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address space from ARIN? Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a WISP to justify need? There are specific provisions for cable operators so that they can request enough space for every household they are able to serve. I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what the basis for our need should look like. Also, the ARIN policy refers to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that is. Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who looks like they have their documentation together? My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. Thanks, -- Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
It lists the 80/50% figures for additional allocations, but nothing that I can find for initial allocations. Thanks for the confirmation. -Kristian On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 22:11 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: I asked about the cable exemption and they said it was only for cable operators and not for anyone that assigns IPs to a geographic area (tower). We were able to get more space by showing over 80% of our existing space was assigned to other entities (customers) and of that space 50% of the major blocks were used. I believe those numbers are in their docs. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Hi, Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address space from ARIN? Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a WISP to justify need? There are specific provisions for cable operators so that they can request enough space for every household they are able to serve. I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what the basis for our need should look like. Also, the ARIN policy refers to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that is. Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who looks like they have their documentation together? My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
You can also go off what you are using from your upstreams IP space. ARIN will take into consideration that once you get your own allocation, that you will give back the IP space you had from your upstream provider. On 10/19/2010 10:47 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: It lists the 80/50% figures for additional allocations, but nothing that I can find for initial allocations. Thanks for the confirmation. -Kristian On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 22:11 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: I asked about the cable exemption and they said it was only for cable operators and not for anyone that assigns IPs to a geographic area (tower). We were able to get more space by showing over 80% of our existing space was assigned to other entities (customers) and of that space 50% of the major blocks were used. I believe those numbers are in their docs. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Kristian Hoffmannkh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Hi, Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address space from ARIN? Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a WISP to justify need? There are specific provisions for cable operators so that they can request enough space for every household they are able to serve. I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what the basis for our need should look like. Also, the ARIN policy refers to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that is. Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who looks like they have their documentation together? My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
YEAH, I'm spoiled, since most of my towers are actually 20 story buildings, where I can stand, and easilly move feeds, without dropping screws 300ft below :-) Or atleast one side of a link on a easy accessible roof top. I agree its a different deal with true towers on each side. ITs never worth having to make a second climb unnecessarilly, and also not a good idea having climbers sitting up on a tower waiting for a long time for hte other side to finish. So, yeah, better time management and planning duing the install is needed, prior to the climbers climbing. If we have to climb the first side a second time we try to combine it with other work. For example, if tower 1 is a two day job Day1- install dish on tower1, install dish on tower 2. Day2 - install remaining sectors on tower1, re-align dish on tower1 Its rare that we install two tower with lots of stuff. We usually extend from one tower to a second tower that we are building out. So most of work is only at one of the towers. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I've never put a dish up half together. I've always seen it done putting everything together then hoisting it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Actually not true in many cases. If the distance is really long beyond site, such as 20-30miles, I'd agree. But if say LOS within 10 miles or so on a clear day, its pretty easy. After our tech eye balls the alignment, I'll usually have the tech do a fine align just in case we can improve it. BUt 9 out of 10 times, it was not necessary and maybe we'll gain a half DB. The secret to aligning dishes is to look through the feed hole before the feed is screwed in. (for example PAC wireless parabolic dish). You then home in on the far side area aiming for, positionioned in cetner of hole, and make sure the Ring around the hole appears equal size all around to verify it is aligned. Because the hole has metal around it that has DEPTH, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch, you can see the depth of this inside surface all around the hole. As matter of fact, if we dont get our link budget acheieve and we need to trouble shoot why, we check cables first, because the odds of having a bad cable is higher than the tech getting the first alignment attempt wrong. Panels are harder to align, because looking from the side. Sure it can be harder to align a big dish with radome that does not have a removable feed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment That's not realistically possible. You would have to be extraordinarily lucky to align that first dish without having any measurements. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Jim that is an excellent point. Its how our climbers did it that we pay. They draw the direction to point on the ground with spray paint or something. Then when on the tower, looking down, its pretty easy to align the feed with the line on the ground. For up down, I've seen them use levels on the dish, and pre-calculate the downtilt. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Patient To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment We hillbilly them up all the time and most of the time don't need to go back to tower 1. Every once in a while we might have to go back and tweak the alignment a little. I use Delorme Topo USA and a GPS receiver on my laptop. Mark both locations and draw a line between the towers. Zoom in and start walking directly away from the tower in the direction of the link and keep the little arrow thingy on the line. I go out a few hundred feet, make sure I'm on the line and drop a direction target to shoot at. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
