Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
With solar you size it based on where you are and amount of potential sun that location would get. I agree more panels are better. There's also power consumption in any of the charging equip plus invertors if used. Also there are AGM type batteries (think that's it) which are better for solar than cat batteries. Been awhile since I researched this going on senior brain cells :-) Leon Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That looks like massive overkill, are you using a ~10 watt load or are you doing much more? Quick math tells me the batteries would do 12 days on a 10 watt load. Do you find you need a 290 watt panel (though this also leads back to the question)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: I have one up for 2 customers. They paid the cost on the tower and solar setup, I put up the AP. Pretty low maintenance, only issue I have on them is snow accumulating on the panels. Astronergy 290W 24V panel $280 Morningstar SunSaver SS-10L-24V Charge Controller $63 MC4 cable $31 Shipping $249 Two deep-cycle RV battteries from Sams Club (120ah) $250 Wire the load out of the charge controller to the DC in on a Toughswitch put up a NanoBridge for the backhaul and a NanoStation for the AP. On 04/08/2014 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane. This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price. I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OT Fax over Voip
You don't need vlans but helps in keeping voice and data separate. but what is needed is qos. Make sure that is setup correctly. Even with vlans you should have it. Leon Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:03 AM, wi...@mncomm.com wrote: OK, I will. Right now its on my remote techs bench with a Cat5e cable and a switch between the 2 devices. Where this will be going is a farmers elevator site 150 feet between the 2 buildings using UBNT NSM5 radios, excellent quality. Right now they are using 5 VoIP NEC phones at the remote site, plus the same link is carrying their data needs as well, for 5 PCs. I didn’t build separate VLANs as it is a very small network. Regardless I cannot get these to work 10 feet to each other over cable. Voice works great. I will have my tech put together what he has done. He has several hours into it. Usually we wouldn’t dive into stuff too deep, but this customer also hosts a major site for us using their grain leg thanks heith -Original Message- From: Nathan Anderson Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Fax over Voip On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:04 AM, wi...@mncomm.com wrote: So, the scenario would be the CO goes into a gateway device to convert to digital, goes over the LAN to the other gateway device. That device hooks up to the fax machine. If someone has done this before can you share the products you may have used? The products we have say they will work this way, but no luck, just voice transmission. I may have a bad device as well. If you are talking about a private point-to-point wireless link shot between two buildings across a parking lot or whatever, with excellent link quality characteristics and low jitter and latency, there is no reason that I can think of why moving the fax machine over wouldn't just work. Perhaps you could share with us the following: 1. Model of the Grandstream gateways in question. 2. How you have the gateways configured (e.g., codec being used and such). 3. What equipment you are using to do the wireless shot. 4. Average throughput, latency, and jitter across that link. 5. Whether the link is for phone use only, or is combined voice and data. 6. ...if combined, whether any kind of QoS is being employed to promote voice transmission ahead of data. ...and, most importantly... 7. What exactly happens when you try to send or receive a fax over the gateway devices. A vague it doesn't work description never helped anybody solve anything. :-) Give us details. How does it fail, exactly? How far along does it get? Is it able to transmit a partial page and then the connection drops? Or can it not even complete the handshake with the other fax machine? If it works for voice, I very much doubt you have a bad device, unless it is a software/firmware issue on the device(s). If the device was physically bad, I suspect the defect would present itself in other ways as well. General things to try out and to look out for: If you are using some fancy, efficient voice codec like G.729, turn that crap off. Limit both gateways to negotiate G.711u with each other only. If they have a T.38 option, make sure it is either enabled on both sides, or disabled on both sides...if there is a mismatch, some SIP stacks behave very badly if/when their re-INVITE to T.38 is rejected by the other peer. If the gateway devices support T.38 and it happens to be enabled, try turning it off. The T.38 spec is so vague as to often be useless, and there can be interop problems even between two identical devices (I swear that sometimes vendors don't test their own products...it's infuriating). And on a private, short-haul link like that, I would sure think that using G.711u PCM for both voice and fax transmission would be sufficient and pose no problems. On the other hand, if latency and jitter are sometimes a problem and the quality of the link is in doubt, and you haven't been using T.38, then by all means give T.38 a try, assuming your Grandstream devices can act as T.38 gateways (it's not enough for them to have T.38 passthrough support, they must have GATEWAY functionality). Once you finally get past all of the interop issues, T.38 really can work magic for FoIP on uncontrolled IP links. If you are using T.38 (or, heck, even if you aren't using T.38), try forcibly lowering the maximum modulation rate that their fax machine will attempt to handshake to the other side with. It is still (sadly) incredibly common for most production T.38 implementations these days to be based off of version 0, which does not include support for gatewaying V.34, only V.17. If they have a Super G3 fax machine, the T.38 gateway feature should in theory just ignore the handshake and not even engage and try to re-INVITE to T.38, but you never know...could be buggy. Or if you aren't
Re: [WISPA] OT Fax over Voip
What I of for faxing is use vitelitys fax service. It comes in to my email as PDF case closed. Outbound I got fax working from my machine or I send it via the Vitelity fax portal. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:18 PM, wi...@mncomm.com wrote: I havent got my tech to log what he has done so far. Lines will connect to and from remote fax machines, no handshake apparently, no talky over the devices. I will be more descriptive shortly. Sucks that he is four hours away and a rookie compared to me with telephony, not that I am much better haha -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 5:08 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Fax over Voip On 4/2/2014 5:24 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote: On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:55 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: But in addition to that, I STRONGLY recommend a separate VLAN for the voice-grade channels. With priority, or reserved bandwidth. TCP/IP in normal operation manages its flow rate by having packets thrown away; that's why the 1G LAN port on your PC doesn't blast a whole file at 1G into a 2M link. It uses packet loss as a signal. TCP applications retransmit and actual human voice is intelligible with some gaps, but modems, including fax, are very unhappy. Do note that RTP is implemented over UDP, not TCP, so in VoIP, a dropped audio packet is a lost audio packet, not a delayed or even out-of-order audio packet (although those other two things can happen...they just aren't a result of retransmits, or at least not a retransmit initiated by Layer 4). I guess my grammar was a bit rough there! So you're of course right. TCP applications retransmit. (period) Actual human voice (which doesn't retransmit, as it can't wait) is intelligible some gaps. Modes, however, including fax, are very unhappy with gaps. And stressing Nathan's previous note (*what* doesn't work?), this may be one of those *rare* occasions when a video (YouTube anyone?) might actually help. Although the audio alone is more important. If we could (see and) hear the call being dialed by the originating fax, hear what the ring sequence sounded like, and heard the response, with the speaker belching the CNG tone all along, it might help identify the problem. But really, fax and VoIP don't get along very well unless you really tune the VoIP network up to support it. And I know how some faxes are picky. My office fax line sat here virtually unused for years, but my wife needs to receive faxes regularly. Her fax is on a Comcast PacketCable (they call it VoIP but it's really managed VuIP) line that is shared with her office phone and answering machine. My fax (both are Brothers) can send hers a fax. The answering machine gives its spiel, starts to listen, then the fax hears CNG and cuts off the answering machine and sends modem tones. Just like it's supposed to work. But the fancy new fax server system at the courthouse just won't send to it. (Nor will some sizeable fraction of other machines.) It will send to mine, which isn't shared with an answering machine, but not one that is. Picky picky. Fax is like that. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ATT MIS Throughput
Make sure u pick a server that is close to a known peering point to get more accurate results. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I can max out my 100Mbps fiber connection by uploading 10 files simultaneously to an ATT test server. But single stream speed tests like speedtest.net and speakeasy.net/speedtest seem to be all over the place. like sometimes less than 10mbps, sometimes more than 50mbps. Is it just me, or do those test sites do that for everyone? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ATT MIS Throughput
Auto doesn't always work right on gig ports. Try and make sure you and ATT are set the same. Watch the interface stats and see if u have any errors etc. Mismatched interfaces are always a problem. I'd use the in net tests to give u better info. If u want to use speed test.net use Washington as it's close to the heavily used ashburn peering point. I prefer myspeed.visualware.com and use Dulles location close to ashburn. But sort out any interface issues first. Call ATT and find out if they see any. Leon Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, some good points. It's an edgerouter lite. CPU stays low. It's around 3%. I was having trouble originally, when ATT had their switch port set at 100/full, and the edgerouter was too. I was only getting 1-2mbps on the upload. I finally got ATT to switch their port to auto negotiate. Now it's communicating at a gigabit and upload speeds are much better. However, it seems like something is still not quite right. Even when it was at 100/full I could plug in my laptop directly at 100/full and get good speeds. But going through the edgerouter was poor. I need to try plugging in directly again now that the switch port is on auto negotiate. I think I'm going to have to go down there during the night and plug in directly and do some testing. Figure out if it's the edgerouter that is the problem or the fiber link itself. Thanks, Roger On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: How is your CPU on your router? 65 mbps sounds low for sure. If you are on a 100 Mbps circuit have you ever plugged a PC in directly and made sure you are getting the speed. With 100 M setup 92 is about the Max but you have a long way to get to there. What type of router? Things to look at: Router CPU Load (while running test) Queues setup wrong Poor cable between upstream and router. Wrong Handshaking from upstream. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roger Howard Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:18 PM Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT MIS Throughput Yes, it's doing around 20-25mbps download right now, and less than 3 megs on the upload. When I'm running the test, the download speed on the router climbs to about 50mbps. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Roger are you looking at your router while you are doing these speed tests. If you are already pushing out doing 60 Meg of traffic then you cant add another 100 on top of that . Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roger Howard Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:55 AM Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT MIS Throughput What about this one? I just got 23Mbps down and 66 up. http://www.att.com/speedtest/ On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: It's hard to trust a random server on speedtest dot net. If Att has their own server on that site I would expect similar results as the Att test being it's on the same network On Monday, February 24, 2014, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I can max out my 100Mbps fiber connection by uploading 10 files simultaneously to an ATT test server. But single stream speed tests like speedtest.net and speakeasy.net/speedtest seem to be all over the place. like sometimes less than 10mbps, sometimes more than 50mbps. Is it just me, or do those test sites do that for everyone? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Fwd: Service avail in Wisconsin ?
sorry for crosspost please see below Original Message Subject:Service avail in Wisconsin ? Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:04:48 -0500 From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: memb...@wispa.org See below Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* Elliot Gluskin eglus...@gmail.com mailto:eglus...@gmail.com *Date:* December 24, 2012, 2:51:30 PM EST *To:* Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net mailto:wa4...@arrl.net *Subject:* *Re: Hi* My partner's address is N1377 Southern Road, Lyndon Station, WI 53944. They are using Hughes up there. Please let Elliot know if you can serve and please cc: me offlist. Thanks Leon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] What's this 900mhz Interference look like?
Depends up near Canada and certain other locations power on 450 is limited Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:21 PM, j284...@yahoo.com wrote: 1500 watts PEP. Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:56:42 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What's this 900mhz Interference look like? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?
Take a look at visualware.com those tests are more accurate than speed test.net Leon Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: Matt, How much bandwidth on average are you seeing to your speed test servers? We're considering becoming a speedtest.net host, but are concerned about the amount of bandwidth generated by users outside our network. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: We setup a speedtest server. So when customers connect to speedtest.net they reach our local server. The test data never leaves our network. On 08/21/2012 12:27 PM, Joey Craig wrote: We only guarantee from the customers radio to our servers and we make sure the customer is aware of that. We use Jperf/Iperf also…works very well. How can you guarantee ANYTHING beyond your network? You are absolutely in the right. Joey Craig Network/RF Engineer Firenet1.Com Phone: (662) 510-0764 Mobile: (662) 404-1118 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless? We mostly deal with business customer and guarantee bandwidth to customers. We validate the bandwidth using IPERF from a Linux server off of our BGP edge routers down to the customer and IPERF always shows the customer getting the bandwidth they signed up for. We use QoS to control bandwidth and make sure to not oversubscribe any one linksmall ratios of 3:1. Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of those stupid bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are woefully inaccurate (not in our favor)...but of course customers take the results as gospel. AAA! It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP links and none of them run at more then 50% during peak loads. Has anyone else found those Internet speed test to be woefully inaccurate? Or is something else going on that I'm missing? Thanks, Bret ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Internet Speed test..are they inaccurate with wireless?
The visualware servers are Accurate and u can deploy them on your network as well. The Dulles,va server is located off the ashburn peering point so that's the one I always use and suggest. Leon Sent from my iPhone On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: We mostly deal with business customer and guarantee bandwidth to customers. We validate the bandwidth using IPERF from a Linux server off of our BGP edge routers down to the customer and IPERF always shows the customer getting the bandwidth they signed up for. We use QoS to control bandwidth and make sure to not oversubscribe any one linksmall ratios of 3:1. Of course eventually at some point the customer runs one of those stupid bandwidth test on the Internet and the results are woefully inaccurate (not in our favor)...but of course customers take the results as gospel. AAA! It's not our internet connections, we have three 100Mbps BGP links and none of them run at more then 50% during peak loads. Has anyone else found those Internet speed test to be woefully inaccurate? Or is something else going on that I'm missing? Thanks, Bret ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UNBT PowerBridge 10
Also ham band here Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Actually, its for Europe market where 10 ghz us unlicensed Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UNBT PowerBridge 10 Pretty sure it's the sole use of some nameless Guvm't agency On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Has anyone figured out why its not available in fcc land? The 10ghz bands have some ptp microwave designation but I am not familiar with what modulation/antenna/etc are required in the bands On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It is available where you can legally operate it. 10Ghz can't be used with the FCC. Looks like you're in Michigan so...no soup for you =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Jay DeBoer jdeboer-li...@summitdigital.us wrote: A) is the PowerBridge M10 actually out on the street or is this an available soon product. B) if it is out is anyone using it? I'm looking at some new ptp links and am leaning heavily toward licensed thanks for the input -- Jay DeBoer Chief Engineer Summit Digital Holdings, Inc. 100 N Roland St, Suite B McBain, MI 49657 Office: 231-825-2500 Direct: 231-908-0033 Fax: 231-908-0039 jdeb...@summitdigital.us ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers
Fing Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: LanDroid Lattitude ConnectBot -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:46 AM To: WISPA General List; Washington State WISP Discussion Subject: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers Upgrading to a smartphone, HTC Hero S. Just wanted to see what tools are available for wireless installers. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4829 - Release Date: 02/24/12 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 3.65Ghz and HAMs
I believe the amateur band is just below 3.5 to 3.6 I think Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: On some online forums I have been seeing people claiming to be hams saying that they can use 3.65 Ghz as it is a ham band. Now, I thought it was for something else and now is license lite. Is this a band we share with hams? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference
Agreed I think the call setup Is the key Leon Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net wrote: The ringing current from the Telco to the base unit is 120 cycles per second AC. It would be more like AC hum on a sound system. I would bet the 2.4 phone system is using most if not all the band at pretty low power. Probably it is the wake up and setup for a call that is knocking out the ISP not the ringing its self. On 12/27/2011 5:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What about from the copper pair to the handset? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference
R u running sub channels? That might work Ldz Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Hammer? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/26/2011 2:10 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I have a customer that has determined that every time the phone rings, the Internet goes down. Once the phone is answered, the Internet works. We are using 2.4GHz to the house, with an integrated Arc panel on the roof. The customer has checked and the phone does not have a channel selection button. Anyone have suggestions as to how to get the phone to not kill the wireless link? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference
I would concur with this too Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: With the price of cordless phones now days and the cost of your customer support time, I would just buy them a new phone. If you get a DECT 6.0 version you are certain not to have problems. Those are used exclusively in the guard bands around the 1800 MHz PCS frequencies and are set aside specifically for cordless phones only. It's also fairly cheap to get a multi extension set. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference I have a customer that has determined that every time the phone rings, the Internet goes down. Once the phone is answered, the Internet works. We are using 2.4GHz to the house, with an integrated Arc panel on the roof. The customer has checked and the phone does not have a channel selection button. Anyone have suggestions as to how to get the phone to not kill the wireless link? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Porting Number to VoIP
The key is the rate center the NNX is in and who controls that center. You can go to VoIP.ms or vitelity.com and see if they can port. They both get their DIDs from the same carrier. Leon Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 11/9/2011 09:10 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_E0FAAC2954BAC6459A09C629880F395275A78F28DCVMBX102ihoste_ I live in an area in Eastern Indiana that used to be Verizon and now is Frontier. I have gone to a VoIP system at my office and love it. I got an ATA to setup my home, got the temp number and started the port process and My home exchange cannot be ported by my provider. It is different than the office exchange. They are checking with Level3 to see if there is anything more that can be done. I want to start offering VoIP to that exchange but if I can’t get the port to go I will have very few takers. What is my next step. What should it do before I file a complaint with the FCC? As other have noted, there are potential complications. Some small carriers have prefix codes that are not portable. Frontier isn't one of them; they're too big. However, there are prefix codes not yet made portable, so when a customer wants to port a number out of them, there can be up to a six month wait for portability to be implemented, after a bona fide request. Porting requests are made by the incoming carrier. VoIP providers are usually not carriers; they typically go through Level 3 or Paetec (will Windstream still want to do this?) as the actual carrier who would request the port. Sometimes the link between the VoIP provider and carrier is not so strong, so the carrier won't go out of their way if there's a hangup (pun intended) in the process. I can check the portability status of the number block in question -- what's the number (NPA-NXX-D; I don't need your whole number, just the thousands-block) you're trying to port? -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Porting Number to VoIP
One other thing is for example where I live is owned by frontier. So I got a DID out of the reading, pa rate center which is toll free from the Leesport rate center I am in. So you can offer DIDs from adjoining areas preferably with a larger calling area Hth leon Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: I hear if you’re trying to port from a rural telephone company the porting process is pretty horrible. They make it almost impossible and drown you in paperwork and most people give up. That might be the same case here. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Porting Number to VoIP I live in an area in Eastern Indiana that used to be Verizon and now is Frontier. I have gone to a VoIP system at my office and love it. I got an ATA to setup my home, got the temp number and started the port process and My home exchange cannot be ported by my provider. It is different than the office exchange. They are checking with Level3 to see if there is anything more that can be done. I want to start offering VoIP to that exchange but if I can’t get the port to go I will have very few takers. What is my next step. What should it do before I file a complaint with the FCC? Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Virtual T-1 PRI
We use pbx in a flash distro of asterisk works well and that distro is a no-brained. Check out nerdvittles.com for great articles and pbxinaflash.com Feel free to ask away But I agree why use a PRI? U can use sip or iax trunks. More info I'd needed on what is needed. Ldz Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: The folks on the Voiceops list seem to be fans of using Adtran for this: http://www.adtran.com/web/page/portal/Adtran/product/4212904L1/39 Let me know if you try one of those out. I'd like to start doing this too. I'd want the CPE to be as dumb as possible. An asterisk box at the customer seems like a lot of complexity and room for failure modes to me. -- Patrick Shoemaker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 15:09 To: WISPA General List; us...@wug.cc Subject: [WISPA] Virtual T-1 PRI Has anyone set these up for customers? We were thinking about putting an Asterisk box in with a T-1 PRI interface and connecting it to the customer's equipment. Would this work? Any pitfalls? Any affordable turnkey solutions for this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC NPRM for Licensed Links in 7 and 13 Ghz
On 6/8/2011 11:11 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone has the link for the latest news on this? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 I posted it yesterday leon - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3688 - Release Date: 06/08/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem
On 2/7/2011 12:11 PM, Bret Clark wrote: That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night everything is find again. I'm running out of hair to pull out of my head at this point! Bret see if you can get a spectrum analyzer up there? What freqs qre you using? When I lived in south florida we always knew when the AWACS were flying as signals coming through our UHF repeater (443.85/448.85) had a unique whining sound and the amplitude was variable which indicated the rader beam moving around. We'd hear it for awhile and then disappeared. leon - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3428 - Release Date: 02/07/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question
On 12/20/2010 05:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote: There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a separation distance of 100 yards. Remember the inverse-square law - RF intensity decreases as the SQUARE of the separation distance. 100 yards is 300 feet and 20 feet goes into 300 feet 15 times so the RF intensity at 100 yards is the inverse of 15 squared (15X15) or the inverse of 225. Inverting 225 means that the intensity at 100 yards is only 1/225th as much as at 20 feet. Scott's equipment is going to be exposed to 225 times greater RF energy than yours so his equipment is likely to be overloaded with receiver de-sensitization while your equipment may be OK. The solution is to do everything right as Scott says. The 11 GHz equipment is likely so far away from the FM and TV frequencies that it is probably OK. The solution for 2.4 and 5 GHz is use proper bandpass filters between the antennas and the equipment then test to see if the receivers seem to have full sensitivity or not. Jack is 100% correct. Remember these radios do not have much filtering in the front-ends so you have to make up for it with external accessories. Leon jack On 12/20/2010 2:34 PM, Bret Clark wrote: On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away and dealt with it decently. Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to get a 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at 700KW channel 39 I think. Anyone have gear running close to this kind of high-power antennas? Am I screwed or will I be able to have my equipment work int his RF environment? Assume I did everything right (grounded metal box, shielded cable soldered drain wires, ferrite cores on the cables etc...). Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 We are running 5.8 and 3.65 stuff on towers with 100KW TV systems on the tower located about a 100 yards from us on another tower...no problems. Probably not much difference between 100KW 20 feet or 100 yards apart. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection
On 12/18/2010 08:45 PM, Scott Reed wrote: 917 and 922 same results. Nothing else on 900, except another one of our towers. No confict. Noise floor high 90s or better. Yeah, I wondered about a 900MHz phone, but it works during the day and not an night. try the two lower channels. what channel size are you using? Does the customer have a 2.4gHz wireless router? Is this pattern totally reproducible? I.e. what time does it start and what time does it stop? Leon On 12/18/2010 6:35 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 12/18/2010 06:28 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I have a new customer that is giving us fits. AP and CPE are both RouterOS with SR9. 11 Clients on the AP, this is the only one with problems. I checked it several times today and it was running signal strength -65 both ways and CCQ was always above 90, often saw 100. Customer said the performance was great. I called at dusk to say it quit working. It did not work over night last night, either. It will now connect with signals in the mid-60s and CCQ in the 70s. Never stays linked more than 15 seconds. Takes about 2 seconds for it to come back. The rest of the client radios are staying connected just fine. Signals from -56 to -72. CCQs are all 75+ when there is traffic on the link. Any suggestions? what freq is this on? what size channels? Noise floor? HAve you tried to do a freq scan to see if there's anything interfering. Did you try changing channels? It could be related to something at the CPE location. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Flaky connection
On 12/18/2010 06:28 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I have a new customer that is giving us fits. AP and CPE are both RouterOS with SR9. 11 Clients on the AP, this is the only one with problems. I checked it several times today and it was running signal strength -65 both ways and CCQ was always above 90, often saw 100. Customer said the performance was great. I called at dusk to say it quit working. It did not work over night last night, either. It will now connect with signals in the mid-60s and CCQ in the 70s. Never stays linked more than 15 seconds. Takes about 2 seconds for it to come back. The rest of the client radios are staying connected just fine. Signals from -56 to -72. CCQs are all 75+ when there is traffic on the link. Any suggestions? what freq is this on? what size channels? Noise floor? HAve you tried to do a freq scan to see if there's anything interfering. Did you try changing channels? It could be related to something at the CPE location. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
On 12/01/2010 05:27 AM, Blair Davis wrote: Tiger Direct has netbooks with winXP in the $250 range. I love mine. On 11/30/2010 10:15 PM, Rogelio wrote: bmoldas...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. Don't have a particular brand to recommend, but I would suggest looking at Microcenter. I've seen lots of good ones that fall within that category. check eBay for used or refurb Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider
On 11/29/2010 9:07 PM, Liam Cummings wrote: We are looking to start offering VOIP but are having a hard time finding a provider that offers a service at a price that we can markup and resell. Anyone know of a good VOIP provider? check out vitelity and voip.ms Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VOIP Provider
On 11/29/2010 10:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Well right. There's 38746546574 VoIP carriers in Chicago's 358 LATA. 38746546571 of them only cover the contiguous ATT portion. Only say 3 cover the remaining ATT and Frontier portions of that LATA. Obviously all of these numbers were made up (other than the LATA number), but I think I got the point across. Most places where WISPs aren't already doing VoIP, VoIP coverage is difficult to obtain because of a lack of coverage with national providers. Take Elizabeth, IL for example. It hooks to the Freeport, IL tandem. Level 3 does have a presence in Freeport, but last I checked, their VoIP coverage did not extend there. However, local companies BitWise and Aero are both there. Both will sell you VoIP service, and you'll be hard pressed to find either on an aggregator's network. I live in an area where Frontier is the LEC not a BOC. Only a handful of carriers are in those rate centers. When I needed numbers I got local numbers from the Reading, PA rate center since that local calling area included the area I am in. When I moved within my same town a year ago I ported my number to Service Electric and get my local dial tone through them and haven't been happier plus I'm not constrained with the poor DSL at the new location. In any event, the key is if a provider doesn't service your late rate center look upstream for the next major one that includes you local calling area. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations
On 11/23/2010 09:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've used HP OfficeJets for most of the previous decade. I've used HP printers period for... 20 years? However, the OfficeJets continue to have paper handling and other issues. They are used far less than their service duty allows. I also have a problem with the printer disappearing on some computers. I was recommended to Dell all in one printers, but their user interface for the scanning, faxing, etc. features is horrible. I need something that works, does copy, fax, scan, print, and is easy enough for non-techies to use. Recommendations? I was and still am a fan of Epson. We just got rid of a Photosmart 8550 we've had for years because the ink mechanism kept jamming and the paper feed was skewing. We replaced it with a Workforce 630 All-in-one. I've had Epson straight printers and have multiple Epson scanners here all with good luck. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Printer recommendations
On 11/23/2010 09:34 AM, Robert West wrote: Epson are very good quality, actually. I just always hated waiting for them to decide to get ready to print! They remind me of having a cat.. This one is a little noisy but the mechanism is fast. We also have a Lexmark c543DN color laser with an extra paper tray. I've had good luck with that as well. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Office Phones
I use PBX in a FLASH... check out pbxinaflash.com, nerdvittles.com Leon On 11/17/2010 10:06 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: Purchase PBXtra http://pbxtra.fonality.com/products/pbxtra/ (full support, excellent system, totally plug and chug) or use http://fonality.com/trixbox/ if you don't want to pay anything. ryan On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: I had a direct Lightening hit to our office 2 weeks ago and My ATT phone system is now acting up and loses calls all the time. I am planning to go to VOX and get away from my pots lines for the most part. I would like others recommendation for a in office phone system for 5 users only but I need a good voice mail and ability to have cordless phones. I would also like the ability to do remote transfer to a cell or a offsite VoIP extension. Last part I truthfully do not have time to spend 40 hours learning Asterisk. *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OLD COMPUTER Was: UBNT AUTO Channel
I built a big board used a Z80 and had 64kb ram; had four 8 SSSD flops on it. GOt the cabinet and flops from where I worked at the time (racal-Milgo) from stuff that was mothballed. This was circa 1980-1981. leon On 11/12/2010 11:05 AM, RickG wrote: Then I switched to using the video tape... On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Gotta luv the data cassette tape. Portable storage, even fit in shirt pocket. It could have been worse, it could have been bulky 8-track :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:43 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel Tom, it gets better as I go back further in time. I had to use a cassette tape for storage with my TRS-80 - no floppy ;) On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: WOW, 10MB hard drive, you had the good stuff. My Laptop only had Floppy drives. One for the OS, and one for data.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:33 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel LOL! Here we go again with the dating game :) My first laptop was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Portable It was really cool but weighed as much as sewing machine which was the term we gave it. -RickG On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: My first LAPtop was a Kaypro 10, thank goodness I didn't have to pay baggage on it since it was as large as my travel bag... monochrome green screen with a huge 10MB hard drive and ran hot enough to fry an egg. On 11/11/2010 8:09 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Haha... You young people don't remember the term WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get)... A term for applications that made it so that documents actually LOOKED on your screen like they were going to print (anyone remember Kaypro WordStar?). I had a revolutionary idea technological in the early 90's... I called it WYGIWYM... What you get is what you MEAN. I'da been a qua-jillionaire but I didn't execute. Oh well. - Original Message - *From:* Scott Carullo mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature... Maybe one day - Auto-Everything. Just take it out of the box and plug it in. It figures out what to do where... They can call it AIRverywhere Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com *Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel FYI I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, lesson learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and Auto channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every couple of weeks or so have had to
Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast
On 11/05/2010 11:53 PM, Liam Cummings wrote: Anyone know of a place where I can get some sort of telescoping mast that I can tow behind me in my truck or maybe just put on my tow hitch? Oh yeah and it needs to be cheap too. I want to start using something like this for our site surveys because it would be much easier than getting out the telescoping pole we use and having someone hold it steady with a radio on it. I was thinking of just making one myself but even the telescoping pole itself is hard to find. why not look for a used crank-up tower from a ham? Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can't get my 100MB
On 10/28/2010 1:25 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We've been able to test to 80+ mbps to the Seattle speakeasy site. marlon check myspeed.visualware.com and go to the dulles, VA which is right off the Ashburn peering point. their speed test tool is more accurate and uses sockets. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can't get my 100MB
On 10/28/2010 1:50 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 10/28/2010 1:25 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We've been able to test to 80+ mbps to the Seattle speakeasy site. marlon check myspeed.visualware.com and go to the dulles, VA which is right off the Ashburn peering point. their speed test tool is more accurate and uses sockets. You can also deploy these servers on your own boxes they are java based leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Today's FCC Digest:
ERRATUM - UNLICENSED OPERATIONS IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS, ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND. Issued an Erratum correcting Second Memorandum Opinion and Order, FCC 10-174, released September 13, 2010. (Dkt No. 02-380 04-186 ). Action by: Chief, Office of Engineering and Technology by ERRATUM. OET http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-302279A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-302279A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-302279A1.txt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
we sent someone out in the field with a mirror and looked for the reflections On 10/19/2010 11:28 AM, Mark Nash wrote: (sent a message a few minutes ago but through strange indicators I think it may not have sent out...sorry if it's a double-post) I'm trying to have 1 crew and not do the 2nd trip to the first tower. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment You would need more people then. You can't align the dish without both radios being powered. You could do two 3 man crews, one at each site. Both install at the same time and they should finish around the same time frame. Align before coming down at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like for around $150 you could get binoculars with a built in magnetic compass that you see through the binoculars. Could you use the binoculars to find an object on the horizon on the right azimuth and then point the dish there? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Not this again
On 10/14/2010 2:33 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I'm sure some people will be saying oh not this discussion again but I've just got to ask. L-Com is selling FCC certified systems and they go into detail to explain that their system are available without license or special requirement because it's not just an amplifier but rather a complete system. Clicking on a link in their email brings you here http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=25975CMP=101410. I assumed this was an AP with amplifier and antenna which the F You could always ask them for the FCC Cert # Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway
I asked them about a Java client a long time ago and they nixed it.. Said there was a Windoze client and it could run under Wine. But I was looking at other platforms. The biggest problem with Mikrotik is their tunnelvision and unwillingness to look outside of the box IMHO Leon On 10/2/2010 3:04 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Or Java would be nice. But really anything that is cross platform would be good. Then I wouldn't have to run Parallels or Fusion all day. Greg On Oct 2, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It doesn't answer anything. You can't configure anything. It screws up what you have set. Hate it. I would like to see an html copy of winbox, but that's a dream. On Oct 2, 2010 12:33 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Ah.. I always use Winbox. Tried Webbox a few times when I had to but wasn't comfortable with it at all. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway The MT webbox causes cancer it is so terrible. On Oct 2, 2010 9:08 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: That script should be the MT default when one checks the protect router check box in the web UI. Greg On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Robert West wrote: Checked the logs this morning and guess who was back at it Was trying to do a brute force attack from yet another IP but that script from Butch swatted him like a fly. Worked like a charm! Thanks to both you and Butch, he be gone. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway Compliments of Butch Evans /ip firewal filt add action=accept chain=forward comment=drop ssh brute forcers disabled=\ no dst-port=22 protocol=tcp src-address-list=ssh_blacklist add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=ssh_blacklist \ address-list-timeout=1w3d chain=forward comment= connection-state=new \ disabled=no dst-port=22 protocol=tcp src-address-list=ssh_stage3 add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=ssh_stage3 \ address-list-timeout=1m chain=forward comment= connection-state=new \ disabled=no dst-port=22 protocol=tcp src-address-list=ssh_stage2 add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=ssh_stage2 \ address-list-timeout=1m chain=forward comment= connection-state=new \ disabled=no dst-port=22 protocol=tcp src-address-list=ssh_stage1 add action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=ssh_stage1 \ address-list-timeout=1m chain=forward comment= connection-state=new \ disabled=no dst-port=22 protocol=tcp src-address-list=!heavysshservers Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Then we'll just send the pigeons over to poop on them. Easy. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:29 PM To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway I like it but what if the ip is being masqueraded? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com mailto:tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: I've often wondered, is it legal for the receipient of this sort of thing, to retailiate with e.g. ping or curl storms? Tom S. - Original Message - From: Robert West To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway Just had to deal with a brute force attack on a MT router acting as a gateway. Came from these two IP addresses.. 59.42.10.38 61.155.5.247 Looked them up, they turn out to be pretty common for this sort of thing. Added a firewall rule to drop them and they are no longer filling my log. Some may want to do the same for these jokers. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 image001.gif No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1120 / Virus Database: 422/3172 - Release Date: 10/02/10 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1120 / Virus Database: 422/3172 - Release Date: 10/02/10 WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Brute Force Attack on Mikrotik Gateway
On 10/02/2010 05:58 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: New laptops don't have java. Flash is one library and takes second to install. Launch speeds are of no comparison, flash is way faster. Takes a lot of time to warm up the virtual engine. I find flash a PITA. java is one download off java.com; not a biggie there. IMHO leon On Oct 2, 2010 5:32 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net mailto:jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have to question: Why would a new laptop not use it? And how do you figure flash is lighter? On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Jon was right - just loaded up 5.0rc1 and they added webfig. Format is very much that of Winbox and looks very good at a glance! Webbox is still there and it is still bad. Java is way too slow and not very portable (in the sense a new laptop won't use it). Flash is easier and lighter. HTML works 99.99% of the time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti
On 09/23/2010 12:28 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: Any hams on the list who know if the XR5 and XR3 meet Part 97 rules? I think the high-speed digital emission is legal on the 3.5 and 5.7 GHz ham bands... and these would be neat to have for VHF contests! I don't see that as a problem Leon WA4ZLW At 9/22/2010 06:49 PM, you wrote: Pretty impressive for 5.8Ghz. I'm aware of numerous long 2.4G links, but this is clearly a record for 5.8G. http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ It was even over water, all be it, it was also on top of a mountain a mile high :-) They said they pulled off 5 mbps. Its funny, I remember conversatiosn when SR5s first came out, where some people stated they wouldn't risk using them for long links over 10miles or so, because a low price product likely was lower grade. I got to say, way to go Ubiquiti! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz
On 09/22/2010 10:18 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: DECT phone in the install rig with a 10mhz radio and a ATA. or A DECT IP phone and 10 mhz radio. I have a Siemens A580IP base + handsets works fine...cuts one item out of the picture. leon On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 10mhz will be rough. Maybe an ns2 an voip phone? One installer used a cisco phone for this. He liked it, made me smile. On Sep 22, 2010 1:11 PM, Charles N Wyblechar...@knownelement.com wrote: SIP app on Android or iPhone? On 09/22/2010 10:09 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: I am looking for a Wireless VOIP Phone that my instal... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] From todays Daily DIgest
Released: 09/15/2010. WIRELINE COMPETITION BUREAU SEEKS COMMENT ON BUSINESS BROADBAND MARKETPLACE. (DA No. 10-1743). (Dkt No 10-188 ). Comments Due: 10/15/2010. Reply Comments Due: 11/04/2010. WCB . Contact: Heather Hendrickson at (202) 418-7295, email: Heather hendrick...@fcc.gov http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-1743A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-1743A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-1743A1.txt FCC LAUNCHES LICENSE VIEW. Public can explore millions of licenses through easy-to-use online dashboard. News Release. News Media Contact: Jen Howard at (202) 418-0506, email:jen.how...@fcc.gov OCH http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-301470A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-301470A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-301470A1.txt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FIbertower et al Ex Parte met with Commissioner Bakers legal advisor
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[WISPA] MSTV ex parte to 04-186
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Re: [WISPA] speed test
On 09/12/2010 07:29 PM, RickG wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net http://speedtest.net and dslreports.com http://dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG I've always used myspeed.visualware.com and use the DUlles, VA site which is a hop or so off the AShburn peering point. They also use sockets which is more accurate than http. You can always install it on your own network for your customers. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I-80 Dark fiber
On 8/31/2010 11:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Some of you already know about this, but I would like to pipe up again about a buy in opportunity on some new dark fiber construction from Chicago to New York. Too much for any one WISP, but maybe those of you along the I-80 corridor (it's actually on train track right of way) would be interested in teaming together on this effort. I have no financial interest in this, nor do I have experience with these operators. I'm just trying to get my fellow WISPs up to the next level. Met-Ed has dark fiber in its six or eight state territory from midwest to NYC and DC and through PA, Ohio. I beleive Directlink Technologies in Reading has the rights or bought them. You might want to check them out. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable
On 08/30/2010 06:39 PM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: well, just using the usual things for non usual situations. I was considering: if I have to do more than 100 meters ethernet what would I use? well 100m of LMR400 can be a solution in some cases (yeah I know fiber, but as I said I was curious about RF cables). In a previous post I saw somebody talking about ethernet over coaxial, so this is like the same, but with no copper/RJ45 connector. It's directly into the router. I am not looking for speed, I was considering that even with 200m or 300m LMR400 cables you could do the same job. snip to show my age...ethernet started on coax; RG8/u (thick-net) or RG58/u (thin-net). 50 ohm terminators were on both sides. Connections were made with BNC or in the case of RG8 I think it was an AUI connector. BNC T connectors were used on each thin-net card. Also, who remember token-ring? I have a PCMCIA adapter for it. :-) Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VPN
On 8/24/2010 10:09 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I have a customer on my network with a netgear VPN router. For some reason now the VPN drops about every hour. There is no problem with the Internet, just the VPN. The customer is setup as a 1to1 nat. I am thinking it might be a nat issue but looking for suggestions. how long is the tunnel set to be up for? leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3088 - Release Date: 08/22/10 14:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vonage
On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the customer router to take advantage of the built in qos. that won't help. you can't do QOS over the internet only within a private network leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vonage
On 08/19/2010 03:57 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote: Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are: ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1% then ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2% These were done 1 minute or so apart. There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of the router. Unfortunately since he has two Vonage systems this is only possible for one of these systems. He has two because one is home and the other is business, so it's not possible to get one that has 3 lines since he doesn't want to mix business with personal expenses. I doubt one box can be split into two accounts. I haven't tried the port or protocol changes yet. Working on that next. As others have said I would 86 all the extra NATs and have one router and disable NAT and stuff everywhere else. You can get 4 port and higher ATAs/gateways. Or you could roll out an Asterisk pbx (PiAF distro my favorite) and run everything through that. You could also get IP phones and there one phone you can have many line registrations. There are many options on the voice side. On the data end, eliminate all the riff-raff. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:48 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: Quarter 5 MHZ 908/5 MHZ backhaul is on 900 too? -- From: Leon D. Zetekoffwa4...@arrl.net Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:39 AM To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster On 8/18/2010 11:31 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: All clients Changed channels several times NGL what channel sizes? What freqs are you on for CPE and AP? Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 11:56 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times whats the data rates on the backhaul and the CPEs? *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:41 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster Things I would check: 1.Do you have a customer(s) not at the best modulation rate? One customer could be bringing the whole AP to a crawl, especially when they start pulling traffic. Look at customer re-transmits and see if you see any excessive problems. Make those customers better or turn them off for the benefit of the whole AP. 2.Have you tried changing frequencies. 900 is almost voodoo. Does your noise floor change? Has it changed since 10 days ago? 3.Have you tried changing feed cable as part of the re-wire process? Justin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 12:00 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 8/18/2010 11:56 AM, ~NGL~ wrote: We have changed all wiring on the tower. Floor Noise is the same 90-dbm We have changed channels several times whats the data rates on the backhaul and the CPEs? also what are signal levels from CPEs and backhauls? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster
On 8/18/2010 12:18 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: That is our next step, to remove all clients except 2 from the Mac list in the AP Access Control List *From:* Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net *Sent:* Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Major Disaster If it were me, and the problem happens anytime of the day I would disassociate all the customers in the middle of the night (providing you see the problem then too) and turn them on a few at a time until the problem re-appears. If having a just a few on still has the same results it's either frequency, those handful, or hardware issues. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net is this a bridged or routed network? One thing you might also want to try is PPPoE authentication to get rid of the broadcast traffic interfering with data. 5 mHz channels is really a slow channel as others mentioned with all those CPEs. We only went down to 10 mHz channels that worked well once other things were fixed (like routers/bridged) Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3066 - Release Date: 08/12/10 02:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation
On 08/13/2010 04:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all outdoor antennas on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. FCC preemption here...Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPPay
On 07/23/2010 03:08 PM, Robert West wrote: I tried but they insisted that I give them all of my personal information in order to sign up. We are a C Corp. My attorney has sternly told me to NOT mix anything person into the corporation so we were not able to do any my old boss just said the same thinghe passed...wonder where this is coming from? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DHCP Question
On 07/22/2010 08:38 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I have a customer that has a RB411R as the CPE. It is running DHCP server on the ethernet interface. They have a Belkin 3129 SOHO router that gets its address from the RB. At least once per day the router will drop its address and get a new one. During this time the router and the customer's computers show the Internet is down (the router has a red/green light on the front.) I have replaced the radio and the POE-24i the powers it. I thought maybe the Cat5 was kinked at the CPE end so I replace the RJ45. What am I missing that would cause a device to request a DHCP address? whats the lease time on the rb411 dhcp server? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
On 7/1/2010 2:00 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:08 -0400, Scott Reed wrote: You do, however, need to know what is in the change logs, because you do not always know it is broken. This is my second biggest complaint about Mikrotik. Their changelogs really SUCK! The first biggest complaint is not fit for a public list. Agreed. I've beat them up to add more formal x.y.z type versioning and date/timestamps/ SO far it looks like only a date stamp. Not the way real software engineering is done. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem
On 5/27/2010 10:04 AM, RickG wrote: Auto neg can cause problems. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: No, it's a gig link, set to auto neg. snip auto-neg definitely the problem especially if non gig on other side. Lock both sides down Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2897 - Release Date: 05/26/10 02:25:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband SURVEY
On 5/27/2010 12:13 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Done Please take the survey. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XC5DF7F There are 10 questions on two pages. You must answer all statements with Agree, Undecided or Disagree to proceed. I would have liked to have asked whether the responders are a member or a non-member but we are only allowed 10 questions per survey and I didn't have room. T Hi RIck...can the grammar be improved? leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2897 - Release Date: 05/26/10 02:25:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hamvention
On 5/17/2010 10:23 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: If you have a copper ground rod in the radome then you make the antenna both directional, and subject to a high VSWR. Radome antennas like the one pictured do splinter - it is one of those LMR facts of life. ANY antenna subject to a direct strike can be damaged. The best antenna I have ever used for LMR is a DB224, the design of which makes it totally unacceptable for WISP work. (Unless you have a two way radio system in your installers trucks LOL) http://www.wiscointl.com/decibel/dipoles/db224.htm This is the same style of antenna that dot many of the old ATT long lines towers across the country - I have never found one bad at one of the ATT sites. For that matter, my MCI sites had radome antennas like the one pictured, no copper ground rod going up through the antenna (I can't even find one like that after some checking around) and I never found one of those bad either. That is a testament to proper grounding techniques, and a good ground system at the base. Lightning could really care less about your location on the tower. Often times antennas on the side, half way down the tower will be destroyed, and a similar antenna on the top is fine. http://www.polyphaser.com/ when it was privately owned had a fantastic book - the grounds for lightning protection. The owner had spent his life working in the field, and packed that knowledge into the book. If you ever have a chance to get it - do so. Another great source, but less info as to the WHY, is Motorola R-56 standards. EVERYONE should have a copy - there is more knowledge stuffed into that book than the encyclpedia, when it comes to installing equipment at a tower site. Bottom line - if lightning wants your antenna, it matters not where it is located on the tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com To:lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention Which part is a myth? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 8:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention That is a myth. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 01:36:07 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention You can't use a fiberglass omni at the top of a tower and expect it to survive a strike unless it has a copper groundrod built inside of it protruding from the top in which it was designed to take a strike. Learned this from various HAM radio operators. Only 2.4ghz omni I know of that has a metal frame and can survive direct strikes are slotted waveguides such as the various H-POL omni's you see. If I'm going to use a VPOL omni I make sure I'm not the tallest guy on the tower. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:16 PM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention Ya, the pop (pun intended:) is growing so hopefully it gets sectors soon! On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wrote: On 05/16/2010 07:08 PM, RickG wrote: I'm sorry Bob! I was slacking all night on a water tank after it took a direct hit. Picture of omni attached. Even with LP in place, it melted the cabling down to the enclosure and burned up everything in it! I got it back up running by dropping temporary cables down the side of the tower. A dozen man hours later - it's all new. Maybe next year! We had a multi-band comet VHF/UHF for our club repeater on the top of a 10 story building in Coral Springs a number of years ago and it got blown apart similarly. They work good but explode like that when hit. Leon I believe the Comet I mentioned was s VHF only - don't remember. It was replaced with a folded dipole array like was pictured. Eventually, after I moved to PA, it was replaced with a VHF staionmaster. Even with good grounding, lighting will do it's damage. I don't believe our antenna got a direct strike but very close. It must have hit the building possibly even the antenna. What makes me think not is the repeater stuff still worked fine once we put up a new antenna. Good grounding is a must as is good protection. Leon WA4ZLW No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2878 - Release Date: 05/16/10 14:26:00
Re: [WISPA] Hamvention
On 05/16/2010 07:08 PM, RickG wrote: I'm sorry Bob! I was slacking all night on a water tank after it took a direct hit. Picture of omni attached. Even with LP in place, it melted the cabling down to the enclosure and burned up everything in it! I got it back up running by dropping temporary cables down the side of the tower. A dozen man hours later - it's all new. Maybe next year! We had a multi-band comet VHF/UHF for our club repeater on the top of a 10 story building in Coral Springs a number of years ago and it got blown apart similarly. They work good but explode like that when hit. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests
On 05/13/2010 05:16 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: From time to time I get customer complaints when they use various offsite speed tests. Does anyone know of good speed test software that I can set up on my network? yes go to visualware.com - it's very accurate and uses sockets instead of http for more accuracy. they have versions that do voip testing as well. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests
On 05/13/2010 06:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: As much as I love Java...I don't want my installer to spend 10 minutes installing/updating/rebooting for the JRE. you dont need to reboot and most folks have java already on systems. it's a small java applet. server runs java and you can buy it for your own uses. Leon Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Just keep on top of the speed test mini. It expires on a semi-regular basis. All you have to do is go back and re-download the newest one. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:20:23 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests Speed test mini is probably the best. http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net wrote: From time to time I get customer complaints when they use various offsite speed tests. Does anyone know of good speed test software that I can set up on my network? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5MHz Channel Drawbacks?
On 05/09/2010 05:33 PM, Robert West wrote: I have an area that's developed some noise and after watching the spectrum analyzer all week I'm thinking of going to 5MHz channels there. I'm using 5GHz UBNT APs with all MIMO CPEs. I did a test with 5MHz width and was hitting 32.5mbps TX, 13mbps RX throughput so that part is cool but are there any drawbacks with going with 5MHz channels??? have u tried 10 mHz channels? leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
On 4/27/2010 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the 2.4ghz band??? And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment certification that we are, so in theory a HAM could put up a 1000 watt transmitter and un-intentionally cause us interference and there is nothing we can do about it because a HAM is a licensed user and we are UN-LICENSED. Kurt--absolutely correct on both accounts. Leon Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralphlists Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII Not exactly correct. You do not want to run under the ISP service! It does not allow data. It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that communicate There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using illegal 1 watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute Internet in Post Properties apartments. He interfered with Hams (they were running a repeater with a 2.4 GHz licensed input) and an FCC investigation ensued. When he got caught with the amps and a fine was discussed, the operator got deeper and deeper into his lies by saying that he wasn't Part 15, but ISM. Since he had no ISM license, the fine then went to something like 10 grand a day. Suddenly he decided maybe Part 15 with illegal amps was a little easier on the wallet. Anyway, the provider went out of business. You can still probably find some stuff about it by Googling. The Company was Darwin Networks and the place was Houston TX. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII Two different sets of regulations. ISM has more permitted uses and generally looser rules. UNII has more restrictions but more spectrum is available than just ISM. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 4/24/2010 10:20 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Whats the diff? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2836 - Release Date: 04/26/10 02:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
On 4/26/2010 9:29 AM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 4/27/2010 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the 2.4ghz band??? And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment certification that we are, so in theory a HAM could put up a 1000 watt transmitter and un-intentionally cause us interference and there is nothing we can do about it because a HAM is a licensed user and we are UN-LICENSED. Kurt--absolutely correct on both accounts. Leon Also, we can not use 1kW with spread spectrum but other emissions yes Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2836 - Release Date: 04/26/10 02:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
On 4/26/2010 10:06 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of 1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a microwave oven. HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz. http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Hambands_color.pdf It's not a secondary license but a secondary allocation. We are still licensed. As I mentioned previously, spread spectrum emission types are not allow that much boost but other emission types are. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2836 - Release Date: 04/26/10 02:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII
On 04/26/2010 03:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Correct. Ham radio can not be used for any commercial purpose. WISP-type operation for money is not legal. A ham radio club could operate an Internet-connected access point for their own use (like for emergency communications, experimentation, etc.) but the access point and each end-point (CPE) would need to be under the control of a licensed amateur radio operator. it depends...you can, over an autopatch, order a pizza from a take-out or call your doctor if you are late for an appt. As long as there is no pecuniary interest to the control op/trustee is the key. So IMHO an amateur could put up an access point and as long as he doesnt have apecuniary interest (i.e. subscription fees) that would work BUT the CPE would also have to be an amateur and likewise there but there shouldn't be any issue browsing the web and even doing transactions over that circuit. I;m not trying to open a can of worms but this is info I've gleaned over the years. Our repeater club in Florida, still exists (when I moved to PA I passed on the truseteeship), was always a front runner on licensing issues as well as a wide interpretation of the rules. Leon WA4ZLW jack Jeromie Reeves wrote: Aside the moral issue with that, is it not 'no commercial transactions' when operating under ham rules? On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Yes; a very dirty and disreputable way. Any ham who tries this should remember that What goes around comes around. jack K6XS Tom Sharples wrote: For those WISPs who are licensed hams, that certainly suggests a unique way to get rid of your competitors who aren't :-) Tom S. WA6HAS - Original Message - From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs UNII On 4/26/2010 10:06 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of 1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a microwave oven. HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz. http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Hambands_color.pdf It's not a secondary license but a secondary allocation. We are still licensed. As I mentioned previously, spread spectrum emission types are not allow that much boost but other emission types are. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?
On 04/26/2010 08:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Are you bridging at the AP and CPE, and does it work? Something something that was brought to my attention is that UBQT has Iperf built in at teh command line. So technically, if we used UBQT at the CPE and MT as AP, we could still do speed tests easilly, since all our MT APs plug into our proprietary cell site routers which have Iperf. But does it bridge OK? We dont really need the MT AP. What we do need is 5-9 port CPEs everyonce in a while, which locks us into the MT solutions in some locations, or we ahve to add one more component of failure. Truthfully, that is probably what we are going to start doing, where we decide to use UBQT. Run UBQT radios, then put a MT router at the end where we need 5-9 ports. They are pretty inexpensive now, its not that big a deal anymore to duplicate expense. Hey Tom...didya ever think of letting the customer supply there own router behind the RF CPE? Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Airspan consent decree
AIRSPAN NETWORKS (ISRAEL), LTD. Adopted a Consent Decree in this proceeding. Terminated the Investigation. Action by: Chief, Spectrum Enforcement Division, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 04/14/2010 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA No. 10-618). EB http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.txt No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2812 - Release Date: 04/15/10 02:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Airspan consent decree
On 04/15/2010 03:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: So their firmware allowed people to disable DFS in the 5.4 GHz band. They got a $10k fine and fixed the issue. Correct? looks that way mike but at least the feds are going after folks doing the wrong thing - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:18 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Airspan consent decree AIRSPAN NETWORKS (ISRAEL), LTD. Adopted a Consent Decree in this proceeding. Terminated the Investigation. Action by: Chief, Spectrum Enforcement Division, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 04/14/2010 by Order/Consent Decree. (DA No. 10-618). EB http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-618A1.txt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup
On 04/13/2010 06:50 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Apparently my tirade about broadband mapping reached a few ears in Washington, as the NE PSC called me this afternoon to let me know that the NTIA is willing to accept shape files and is willing to relax some of the data requirements in order to get fuller representation from WISPs.Making ourselves heard and showing a willingness to be part of the solution is the first step to getting better results. snip Matt...excellent letter...very professional et al. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
On 4/5/2010 11:02 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: A Couple questions. First, I would agree, any Whitespace spectrum is good spectrum for us, and better than none. But, why does the FCC keep hypothetically asking us what about VHF channels 1-x the lower part of the band? I think when we met with Blair, the lower portion of VHF also came up briefly. 1. Are they asking us, because they plan to give the rest to someone else :-( 2. Are they asking because others are requesting the higher portions of the band, that are more advantageous?And wondering whether we consider the lower portions more or less advantageous for our use? 3. Is there something wrong or more encombersome with Bands 1-X (7?), that we dont know about or do know about? 4. Is VHF ch 1-X (7?) more advantageous, becaue its a band more widely available in more places in the US? (For example, I think some free channels exist in Band 1-7 for the DC area, but I'd need to go back and check to verify). 5. How will our Antenna size requirements vary for this portion of the band? Hey Tom... a six meter vertical is long - a half wave is about 8.6 feet.(6m is 50-54mHz) so a quarter wave vertical is 4.3'. Add more gain gets bigger. Look at the elements in a TV yagi to get a feel for the low-band (2-6) element size. ALso, most tv antennas are not that directional on lo-band; hi-band (7-13) usually has more gain and directionality. But would I want to be able to use that spectrum? Absolutely. snip Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2792 - Release Date: 04/05/10 02:32:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
On 4/5/2010 12:18 PM, Mike wrote: Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to oranges. Besides, most TV antennas I have ever met are Log Periodic Dipole arrays, NOT Yagis. Why? Because they have to be engineered to operate in the ENTIRE TV spectrum, NOT a 6 MHz segment. Hey Mike... I was just using the size as a reference as well as the tv antenna. THe longest elements on a TV antenna is 6m. yes log periodic is the correct terminology :-) but its still a yagi of sorts. I agree that innovation will be the key. remember the top part of lo-band is 88 mHz. There is probably a way to build a multi-TV channel antenna. Look at HF verticals or vhf/uhf mobile antennas. leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2792 - Release Date: 04/05/10 02:32:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
On 03/29/2010 01:13 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't believe that. I've turned people in and the FCC dealt with them. I know of others that have also had success. Perhaps someone went about turning them in the wrong way? You do need some good proof. Spec analyzer readings, pics etc. If you need help give me a shout and I'll help you put together the info you'll need and get you to the right people. I agree...have some documentation in hand and collect it as you go. As I said earlier, a call to your Congressman is usually helpful if the direct approach doesn't work. Leon marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. Travis Microserv Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
On 03/28/2010 03:50 PM, Lakeland wrote: Last I heard there were 2 engineers in the NYC office to cover 350+ annual TV, radio station, maritime, radar, etc. inspections. Do the math. Including travel it just doesn't work and they are required to do the inspections. Add that to interference complaints of licensed services by other licensed operators, unauthorized broadcast pirates and tower painting and lighting complaints and there is no time or resources to chase Part 15 -vs- Part 15 complaints. Now, if it involves interference to a licensed operator who the FCC is required by law to protect then yes it will happen with the right evidence and information.. I know of several cases where there was more than enough evidence including pictures, statements, recordings, etc. and still nothing was done. It just comes down to priorities. If the amps this other company is using is not part 15 accepted, then they do want to know about it. Non-type accepted equip gets them going as well. My dad was the ass't EIC of the NYC Field Office until he retired in '74. I've said this elsewhere, if you don't get Charly to move contact your Congressman. Many times they had to do stuff because of some Congress person interacting and contacting Washington. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
On 03/14/2010 11:05 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Hi Kurtthere has to be a hidden agenda (i.e. fine print). I'd look carefully at this promo and/or have someone call up for service and grill them on it and get a name. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Enforcements
Was going through recent enforcement actions and came across these: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-296094A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290776A1.html http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290775A1.html Make sure you are legal. You never know when a surprise can happen. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 BS
On 3/9/2010 2:35 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: What is the issue? Is it the cost factor?? Are they being schmucks??? What is it. The Commission Part 25.256 states that the earth station _must negotiate_ in good faith with the terrestrial licensee (thats you) to arrive at _mutually agreeable_ operating _parameters_ to prevent unacceptable interference It does not say you need to pay their engineering firm bocu dollars every time you want to put up a base station. The rules explicitly say that they need to come up with operating PARAMETERS not procedures. They can't say you need to have their cousin Mikey do the engineering study and you pay them $3000 each time you want to do it and then they will approve each individual engineering study. It says they have to come up with a set of operating parameters not procedures. Tell them you need a set of operating parameters to ensure that you don't interfere with them. And they can't ignore you. The Commission states they must negotiate with you. Document all your correspondence in writing, certified mail and build a case. When they fail to respond appropriately you can submit your own engineering study and request the Commission make a determination at that point. They can't just ignore you or make your life miserable or cost prohibitive to do business. So again...what are the issues??? Hi Bob... You are right but it like going up against Goliath. When I was working for a WiSP in NoVA two years ago I was working on this and had to deal with Comsearch. At that point in time, I found out a ways through it they did one and at the outset they quoted me some gargantuan price. I said no way Jose. They eventually came back with a cheaper price which was more reasonable. They (the earth stations) were looking to have every location approved. THen a few months later Comsearch pulled the plug on them doing the engineering work. Last year they then put up this website http://www.comsearch.com/interactive_solutions/3650MHz_Quick_Look/overview.jsp so it seems they are back in that biz again. I have to go back through my files (I moved last April and haven't unpacked my office yet) and see who was the one company that was at least cordial to us. The Commission is going to have to do better than what they did. I was going to originally do my testing in the Amateur 3.5 band down there but then I left and now here at PAETEC. Doing testing in the amateur band would have been ok since I am a licensee and I would have put my callsign in the SSID for id purposes. 73 Leon WA4ZLW No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2732 - Release Date: 03/09/10 02:33:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
On 1/27/2010 4:06 PM, RickG wrote: Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafssone...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. on thing you could do with an upside down antenna is if your antenna is down in a valley and need uptilt that would shoot it up slightly. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 07:33 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't think you have to register your cpe. The anti competitive nature of that is very clear. Hi Marlon...I believe any fixed CPE needs to be registered. Especially in a no-fly zone (grandfather area) the incumbents want to know where all transmitters are, etc. Leon Chris Twoomey would know for sure though. marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas I think we will have to. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas Are you registering all of your fixed CPEs? Jerry Richardson wrote: Here is the process: 1. Look up grandfathered stations here: http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650/grandftr.pdf 2. Find the contact by looking up the license via the call sign 3. Contact the station to see if they will grant you a general approval i.e. you can use 3.65GHz but if it causes us interference you need to turn it off/fix it. etc 4. If the Earth Station requests more info, you may need to supply GPS location of the base station and or CPEs, radio type/Tx power, antenna type, gain, elevation, azimuth, etc. Sprint used ComSearch so I had to provide all details. 5. Once you get the Earth Stations to sign off, then apply for your license - it's pretty much automatic. It took about 3 days for me to get approved. 6. Once you have your license, you need to enter your base stations and attach your waivers (which I have not done yet). Hope that helps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas Jerry I'd like to know how you found the local earth stations in your area? I would like to also know the surrent status of your request as I would like to follow suite here in my area. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:16 PM To: motor...@afmug.com motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas I'm filling out the application for a license in a grandfathered zone. During the application proceess, there is a section asking if I am requesting a Waiver of the Commissions' Rules. Does this apply to grandfathered areas or is this something else? I have approval letters from the earth stations in the area. As I understand it, I only need to provide the letters when submitting the sites. Thanks in advance [cid:image001.gif@01CA824D.667F6C80] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Crazy Tech Support
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 15:47 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Mission accomplished. Customer is back on line. I have a hard time understanding how this would be a pecuniary interest situation, as neither operator was receiving money for the call and this is not a common occurrence. It might be in a gray area, however I also had another gray area to deal with - the 110 miles of blizzard condition driving that would have been necessary to make 30 seconds worth of changes to his CPE radio.Certainly can't be a whole lot at stake for five minutes of airtime. hi matt...yeah it's gray as far as I am concerned too. I have always taken a loose interpretation of the rules especially when I was trustee of our FM repeaters. I'd hate to have to drive that far too :-) Glad u got it all sorted out. Take care leon attachment: stock_smiley-1.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Pings for an AP?
On 12/11/2009 2:03 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages 40-50ms and the closest I can get to logged in is the password screen. My assumption is the Cat 5, anybody else have any ideas? Hi Forbes...what freq is the 5g radio on? What freq is the FM station on? There might be a harmonic of the FM station up there on 5g. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09 05:06:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Interference Perhaps
Nick Huanca wrote: We are running into some interference type issues in a few markets with 900MHz. We've put in place some 10 and 20 MHz bandpass to filter cell and paging. The interference seems to be still bothering our AP. In these markets we have some antiquated MikroTik equipment running SR9 cards. We believe this interference to be in-band but have yet to locate the source. Anyone have any tips/tricks for either avoiding this interference or locating its source? If we do locate it, any tips on how to get them to play nice Hi Nick...what exactly are you experiencing? Please describe your setups. Thanks leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.97/2550 - Release Date: 12/07/09 02:33:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddata delivery is here to stay.
The XR3 has FCC compliance. * Michael Baird wrote, On 11/14/2009 12:24 AM: Ubiquity does not have any licensed 3.65 gear for the US, they have XR3/Nano3's but they are for overseas customers. They have announced they will be coming out with 3.65/900 mhz airmax gear 2nd Quarterish next year. Regards Michael Baird UBNT has fully licensed and approved 3.65 gear. -- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay. What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not on US channels. What country are you in? On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA FCC FILING re: Section 706
* Jack Unger wrote, On 9/12/2009 3:06 PM: On Friday (9/4) WISPA, with assistance from Rini/Coran, filed Comments in the FCC's Section 706 Notice of Inquiry. This NOI asked if Broadband was being deployed in a reasonable and timely fashion to all Americans. WISPA's reply answered No to this question and went on to address issues like: 1. The definition of broadband. 2. The need for the FCC to act on WISPA's TV White Space Petition for Reconsideration. 3. Affordable access to the middle mile. 4. The adequacy of broadband mapping efforts. 5. Actions to accelerate the deployment of broadband to all Americans. WISPA's filing is attached and your comments and questions are welcomed. All WISPA members who would like to participate in crafting future FCC filings are invited to join WISPA's FCC Committee. Respectfully, Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee Hey Jack...I skimmed through the document and from what I see you did your homework. I'm printing it out for further review and passed it on to some other folks as well. Good job. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.94/2366 - Release Date: 09/12/09 17:50:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations
pat wrote: SES Americom, and they suffer from cranial rectitus. Pat...what exactly are they saying to you. It is not easy. You may have to get a 3rd party engineering firm to tdo the analysis. I dealt with COmsearch for awhile before I switched jobs. Comsearch did one or two analysis' for a Wisp and I think that was it and they dropped it off their offerings to be rethought out. Leon Tim Sylvester wrote: Who are these people? The FCC or the satellite earth station people? The FCC describes an alternative for determining a safe distance for locating a station with in an FSS protection zone in Appendix D of the Report and Order authorizing the 3.65 - 3.70 GHz band. You can read the full document here: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-56A1.pdf This is the intro to the appendix. * APPENDIX D: A Methodology For Locating Fixed Stations Within The FSS Earth Station Protection Zone The rules adopted herein require that fixed stations in the 3650-3700 MHz band be located at least 150 km from any grandfathered FSS earth station unless all affected licensees agree on closer spacing. Below, we present as an example, one methodology that can be used to determine a safe distance within the FSS earth station protection zone where a fixed station can be located without increasing the potential of that station to cause harmful interference to the earth station. We reiterate that this is being presented only as an example of one methodology. We recognize that there are many methods for providing the required protection, such as locating the fixed station behind an obstruction, and that licensees are free to propose any method they deem appropriate. * I would assume that you could use this method to calculate the safe distance for operating at 3.65GHz and present it to the FCC and the FSS earth station operator. I will need to do this for my WiMAX deployment which will have two mountain ranges between the WiMAX network and the earth station. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations Anybody else having any luck with these people. They're trying to tell me I might have to clear all my customer sites for a proposed WiMax deployment on a case by case basis. I'm at the edge of the 150km exclusion zone and have a mountain range in between us. This is getting really annoying. Thanks, Pat No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.87/2356 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
Rick...what data rate(s) are you running on the CPE and AP? What speed is the cust supposed to get? I would use something like 6/9/12/18 data rates at both ends. The slower the data rate the more headroom you will have. Leon * RickG wrote, On 9/2/2009 8:44 PM: I've got two customers on a 900MHz AP RB-433/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 13db v-pol omni. Customer 1 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 18db grid. 1 mile of solid trees. Signal is -85. Noise floor = -102. Customer 2 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10 with a 15db yagi. 1/4 mile solid trees. Signal is -65. Noise floor = -102. Both customers live with in a mile of each other in the same direction from the AP. Customer 1 is complaining about speed. My tests show about 600-1000Kbps. Customer 2 is working well with 2-3Mbps speeds. Up until a few weeks ago Customer 1 had near 3Mbps speeds. I lean towards blaming the foliage but full bloom has long since passed. Any thoughts? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2343 - Release Date: 09/03/09 05:50:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8ghz PTP
* Josh Luthman wrote, On 9/1/2009 6:31 PM: 30 megs with a 20 mhz channel is what Travis and I always see in 5ghz. Xr5 and r52(h) myself. we had almost a 30 mile path using I believe SR5s and I think it was 10 mHz channels and I think we topped it at 15m but throttled it back to cap @ 10m (mostly that link was for residential and a few biz). leon On 9/1/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Mikrotik with R52N cards and say a RB411AH I see almost that much throughput with the regular rb411 boards but the cpu i believe is the bottleneck but its close. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:38 PM To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 5.8ghz PTP Anybody know of any equipment for under 5K that can deliver 100Mbit (ish) with Dual Polarity with Adaptive Modulation? (Anything that is not Ubiquiti for now.) Also anybody know when the Rocket M will be shipping? Thank You, Cameron Kilton No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.74/2339 - Release Date: 09/01/09 06:52:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650
* Jason Hensley wrote, On 8/20/2009 3:51 PM: I know it works, but will the FCC come crashing down on me if they find out I have these in place? FIrst you need to lite-license yourself and make sure you (your locations) are not in an exclusion zone. If so, then take 2. Otherwise, proceed and follow the rules. I also would use the Ligowave stuff as well even though I've used the MTK stuff. I'm disappointed in the Ubiquiti stuff (at least 900) and wouldn't want the same thing to happen there (3650) leon -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik and 3650 I personally am avoiding 3.65 and MT. Ligowave and an80 are what I am going to do. I do know it works, though. You have to find the cable that matches 5.8 frequency in MT to 3.65 in actual output. No support by MT (or even as much as an answer to my questions). On 8/20/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I need a backhaul link outside of 2.4 and 5.8. If I put together a Mikrotik system, say an RB600 with an Xr3 and put a 20db Grid on each end would that be legal? Admittedly I'm not up to speed on what is and is not allowed in 3650 as far as power output, etc etc. This would be a short backhaul - 2 miles or less. Along these same lines, can I build a PtMP 3650 system with these same type specs? Thanks! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.62/2315 - Release Date: 08/20/09 06:05:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes
* Gary Garrett wrote, On 8/7/2009 2:34 PM: Seems to me it is ethernet cable picking up EMP. I seem to lose a lot of Netgear routers lately. Seems to go right through the POE and gets the WAN port. Also Transmit side of XR2's. Always see receive side degrading after mid path lightning strikes even a mile away. Trango ethernet survives. Once we got a direct Tower strike and everything on the tower was shot, the only survivor was the top antenna a Trango 900 EXT. that was the only one with non-shielded cat 5. Go figure. One of the things I remember is like some have said not have a ground loop. Also, usually one side of the cable should be grounded. WHen I lived in South Florida and hada 35' tower for my ham and tv stuff, I put in a Joslyn (sp) surge suppressor in the electrical panel across the AC feed coming in and put in some GFI breakers for that stuff. I also had some GFI outlets running the equipment. Luckily never had a problem as South Florida has lots of lightning. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.13.46/2288 - Release Date: 08/07/09 13:13:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency
Hey guys...could it be someone overutilizing bandwidth and/or something floating around that is pulling lots of data? Leon Bret Clark wrote: We have a couple of 900MHz system, I'd hate to say it, but seems like interference to me. I've never seen a bad config cause latency to shoot up. The only other possibility is a bad Ethernet interface, check auto negotiation on your switch and look to see if you're getting any physical errors such as CRC or collisions. I agree, these things suck if anything starts interfering with them. We use them sparingly and then keep our fingers cross that nothing pops up using 900MHz. On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 09:09 -0500, John Scrivner wrote: We have a couple of sectors of 900 MHz Tranzeo which were running fine previously but seem to experience enormous latency at times now. I am talking about upwards of 5000 milliseconds (5 full seconds) for a return on a ping. It is intermittent. I am guessing interference but was wondering if anyone had seen anything else cause this. We have had limited success in dealing with interference in 900 MHz previously so we are hoping there is something else we can try before completely bailing on the band in those locations. Any ideas are appreciated. John Scrivner No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/06/09 05:57:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency
I agree with Josh H POL is a must on 900 3-dB Networks wrote: What does your noise floor look like? C/I? Have you tried moving from H-pol to V-pol and vice versa? Could it be self interference (which I think might be the biggest problem with 900MHz, at least the possibility of it)? What type of antennas are you using... can you sectorize further or put higher gain antennas at the clients? Can you add filters possibly to help with the noise? How large are your channels? Can you use a smaller channel? Assuming your sectors are not overloaded... I would assume interference too. Now I would pitch Canopy... but I'm sure you don't want to hear that :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency We have a couple of sectors of 900 MHz Tranzeo which were running fine previously but seem to experience enormous latency at times now. I am talking about upwards of 5000 milliseconds (5 full seconds) for a return on a ping. It is intermittent. I am guessing interference but was wondering if anyone had seen anything else cause this. We have had limited success in dealing with interference in 900 MHz previously so we are hoping there is something else we can try before completely bailing on the band in those locations. Any ideas are appreciated. John Scrivner No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/06/09 05:57:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Hi Guys...I'd steer away from inverters since they soak up a lot of power. You might want to look at some solar stuff with some of the AGM batteries Marlon mentioned in another thread. Run everything @ 24V is good that way you don't need any dc-dc converters. Leon * os10ru...@gmail.com wrote, On 8/2/2009 3:27 PM: You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, propane can flood and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing conditions. Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 Model) The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not starting and get it fixed. Jerry Richardson wrote: We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not start reliably. Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. Thanks __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2278 - Release Date: 08/02/09 17:56:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
* Marlon K. Schafer wrote, On 3/18/2009 10:32 PM: Thanks Leon, You;re welcome Marlon... Do you have a contact person? Harold Bledsoe he's a WISPA member vendor. Also, what ranges and speeds are people seeing with 3650? I don;t know as I'm not with Bluemont anymore and we/I were looking at all the 3650 stuff last year. Depends on the channel size too. Anyone worried about self inflicted interneference? There is only 50mhz of spectrum right? I don't think that should be an issue. Let me know how it goes. Leon marlon - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managing Multiple Mikrotiks - User Control
Scott has a good idea. Combine that with the Dude and it works nice. Another thing to do is make the management of the devices on a non-routeable. Leon * Scott Reed wrote, On 1/31/2009 11:08 AM: Radius. You can make groups in Radius that map to groups on the routers. You can then make groups on the router for the specific functions you want the user to have. First the MT will check locally for the user. If that fails, it will check Radius. Thus, you can have an ID on the MT to ensure some has access, but let Radius to the normal authenication. Gino Villarini wrote: Hello all WE have about 100 Mk units in our network, what tool is available to manage them effectively? We are looking in a way to manage our own internal access to them... Admins and techs getting into groups with individual pwds? Any ideas to a centrilized security management system for them? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Forbes... YOu can also look at the connectors on the cable you might want to try and put new ones on there. Also, did you try a different POE injector at the tower? Let us know what you come up with. Leon * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:33 PM: Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? About 50 feet We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. We brought the 133 back into the office and had no problem accessing it with short length Cat 5 and the wireless worked great, same for the new 433A board. So this leaves us with the 433AH and one card working at the 50 foot length radio mount but not the 133 or 433a which work perfectly in the office. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. We can try this. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
* Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
