[WISPA] Moment of silence
Dear Nathan, et al, I please request that in the opening ceremony for WISPAPALOOZA that we have a moment of silence in recognition of the tragic passing of Grant Spradling. He was such a terrific guy. He always had a smile and was a great friend of this community. Sincerely, Patrick Leary Baicells___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!
God help the Leary family. My wife just walked in with an armful of fireworks. I've four kids 9-13. Currently they have all their fingers and toes. Oochie momma. Happy New everyone. Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary [cid:image001.png@01D0251A.ABF8EFA0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!
And smart and beautiful too! Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0251C.A8CD6750]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE! What a great Wife Seriously a keeper! On 12/31/2014 01:58 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: God help the Leary family. My wife just walked in with an armful of fireworks. I've four kids 9-13. Currently they have all their fingers and toes. Oochie momma. Happy New everyone. Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary [cid:image002.png@01D0251C.A8CD6750]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!
Oh that is funny. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0251D.28FFB3B0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE! thinks about population control at the same time!!! On 12/31/2014 02:12 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: And smart and beautiful too! Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D0251D.28FFB3B0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE! What a great Wife Seriously a keeper! On 12/31/2014 01:58 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: God help the Leary family. My wife just walked in with an armful of fireworks. I've four kids 9-13. Currently they have all their fingers and toes. Oochie momma. Happy New everyone. Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary [cid:image002.png@01D0251D.28FFB3B0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Merry Christmas WISPA community
WISPs are a special breed, daring to do what most won't and what many can't, and generally in an area that needs their service desperately. While the big guys service consumers, you service communities, filled with family, friends, and neighbors. As I tell my family and any who ask, what I enjoy most about this business is the fun, interesting, and often extraordinary people I've met and continue to meet. There are many who've never used a spec of my gear, but I'd trust with my life. Entering my 16th year on the vendor side of this wonderful industry, I'm more passionate and excited than ever about the opportunities in front of WISPs and their abilities to meet customer demands. I'll do all I can, both within my capacity for my employer, or simply as a person who's been around long enough to be able to broker useful connections, to help you succeed. And finally, to those of you who lead and actively support WISPA (including the industry's best non-WISP ally, Steve Coran), you are doing amazing work. May WISPA continue to be as powerful a voice for the community as it moves beyond the Rick Harnish era. Merry Christmas to most, Happy Chanukah to some, Happy Holidays to all. Sincerely, Patrick Patrick Leary Director Business Development, North America | Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary [cid:image004.png@01D01F5B.DD977500]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fake Survey Ad/Scam from Zedo.com
wow. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01ACC.444FDEC0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fake Survey Ad/Scam from Zedo.com We are getting reports from our users that we took your online survey Finally happened to catch it on my personal computer, it is a fake survey that offers $120 gift for taking a survey from LakeNet LLC, asks a series of questions about our service and then lets the user select their choice of some junk cosmetics or a free credit report. I'm not even sure what the point of this is, but I tracked it back to Zedo.com which is an advertising agency. I've tried calling them, only able to get to a voicemail box which tells me to email their support address, which I've done Is this type of thing even legal for them to do? It's totally misrepresenting their ad as being from my company. I'm attaching a screenshot. Any suggestions? Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
Not in FL. Too many geriactrics + WAY too much excitement in torrential rain. Bad enough they don't turn on their lights. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Because it's fun? :P From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Matt Hoppes [mhop...@indigowireless.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced Wait... why are you driving if you can't see past the hood of your car? ;-) On 12/17/14, 2:34 PM, Adair Winter wrote: SWAG. In skywarn training we were always told that if you cant see past the hood of your car, that's 1 per hour or more. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: How are you guys measuring/finding the inch per hour rainfall? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: The rains that have knocked ours our were 1 per hour. (certainly no less then .5/hr) On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: It takes a pretty hard rain before our 3.2 mile link fails over to the backup Mikrotik link. It usually takes .3/hr to drop it out. Light rain doesn't affect it as much as I expected. Overall, I'm well pleased with it for the price. __ __ I agree with Gino. $6K is a no brainer for me to jump to a licensed link. __ __ __ __ JimPatientSignature.png __ __ _jpati...@linktechs.net mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net_ www.LinkTechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/*| *www.TowerCoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ usa_flag *Phone:* 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *FAX*: 636-660-1534 tel:636-660-1534 *canada_flagPhone:*647-725-7011 tel:647-725-7011 __ __ __ __ __ __ *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:05 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced __ __ in the rain? my 2.7 miles link drops in anything but a drizzle. __ __ On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Working great at 3 miles here in PA. On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Working great at six miles here in Alaska. On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote: Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work about an mile or so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working 24Ghz airfiber to work in these types of weather climates? Tim -Original Message- From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced and 50% more range... On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: 500Mbps technically :) On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A24.33368420]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01A25.D17DD060]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A25.D17DD060]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
I agree re the rural. Open Range though is a bad example. They were a crap organization from the get go, building solely to turn a buck. It was always to BS story to those of us with half a brain. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01A26.02262C80]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A26.02262C80]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A2C.2E987150]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
No, not unless they were idiots. You never heard it from me. LTE won. Game over. Some of us expected it. , that awareness said nothing about the solution qualitatively. It was always a fine solution; it is just the business model was too blissfully utopian. Are you really trying to debate the point? I not interested in re-hashing old history or giving a master's level lecture in why WiMAX failed, to be blunt (aren't I always). Guys like me were not bystanders to it, we were party to it (vetoed parties I might add), some of us from literally day 1. You won't see me debating you about how to set up your Powercode or the like. I'm self aware to know what I don't know. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A36.1FB0C8E0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story The next idea is always a better one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now about WiMAX? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch
Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
That's not what I said. Not remotely. I said LTE will dominate outdoor at range like Wi-Fi dominates the WLAN. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Dec 17, 2014 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Wimax was supposed to steam roll 802.11 in capacity and capability and now it's pretty much gone in 2014. You're saying LTE will steam roll 802.11 nowadays...seems kinda parallel to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by carriers. Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a deeply niche market). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01A2C.2E987150]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT =P When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are different disciplines. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story @LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104 Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: Easy Share Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
[WISPA] WISPA Telrad list
Just an fyi folks, commencing this coming week we will start to use the tel...@wispa.org list to forward detailed data, images, docs, etc. including LTE performance details (anecdotal and empirical) and even potentially some basic pricing details. The former Gmail-based Grail list will be de-activated. If such information interests you, please join the list. I hope to see you there. Cheers, Patrick Leary Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary [cid:image004.png@01D0189B.360E9FF0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
While I understand the joke here, please be aware that LTE is designed to use the same channels even in adjacent cells using eICIC (enhanced inter-cell interference coordination) http://4g-lte-world.blogspot.com/2012/06/icic-and-eicic.html This does two HUGE things: 1. No more cell planning for interference. 2. Massive capacities ARE possible in scale because you can re-use the same frequencies over and over. Coupled with SON and cloud RAN, and imagine how simple life becomes. Aggregate two 20 MHz carriers to generate 400 mbps and use those same freqs over and over, selling 100 mbps service all day long, while the system continuously and dynamically manages it all on its own. I know it may sound like magic, but read the material. I can tell you it is LTE features like this that is helping to drive our momentum among WISPs. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x channel sizes! Daniel Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote .. ow.ly/FBFcX Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
It is beyond basic concepts like increased efficiency. LTE goes much further. See my last post. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01452.28C223F0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G Why not allow both? I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral efficiency. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: daniel mullen daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:36:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations instead of simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make ever larger channel sizes without running into problems! Daniel Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote .. How is that going to make a difference? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 12/9/14, 11:11 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x channel sizes! Daniel Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote .. ow.ly/FBFcX Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
Those are good points Mike, and it explains one reason I'm so excited over 3.550-3.650 MHz. I think the coming spectrum is a game changer for many reasons, this among them. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01D01459.A4C42FF0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G I know of eICIC. It's still increasing efficiency as you're now doing this all in one channel everywhere vs. one channel per radio or a couple channels per tower. That said, in unlicensed spectrum that is busy like 5 GHz or 2.4, you're not going to use the same channel everywhere as it would be impossible to do so due to external interferers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:22:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDDCarrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G It is beyond basic concepts like increased efficiency. LTE goes much further. See my last post. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image004.png@01D01459.A4C42FF0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G Why not allow both? I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral efficiency. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: daniel mullen daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:36:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations instead of simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make ever larger channel sizes without running into problems! Daniel Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote .. How is that going to make a difference? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 12/9/14, 11:11 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote: Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x channel sizes! Daniel Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote .. ow.ly/FBFcX Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
Paolo, As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is my understanding of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated expectation. None have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is well worth a consultation fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated call with him. I will offer some international perspective here as well for your benefit there in Italy. - 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks (tricky) - Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though auction process is likely not to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden streamlined method - remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, opportunistic use - Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from acquiring more that 30% (3 channels) - ownership likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years max perhaps - HOWEVER...even if one owns some of this spectrum, others can use it IF the owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners DO build, the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be dynamically managing base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will relocate the opportunistic user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive spectrum to the owner now actively using it - this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum following a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may be more granular (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it would open use more broadly) - potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed current 3.65 for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge) - there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined sets of users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users away from their active channels, moving them to open channels I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of us don't yet understand what's meant by dynamic as it relates to machines talking to machines in real time. A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. adoption of this band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost globally and encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE world calls UEs for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless CPE). I fully expect things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, etc. to have embedded 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional fixed wireless UE options. Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re fixed wireless -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, etc. -- and in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see my comments in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 2002, 3 years before it was released http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am hoping my streak continues. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G will that spectrum be licensed? Those are good points Mike, and it explains one reason I'm so excited over 3.550-3.650 MHz. I think the coming spectrum is a game changer for many reasons, this among them. *Patrick Leary* ***M*727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:26 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G I know of eICIC. It's still increasing efficiency as you're now doing this all in one channel everywhere vs. one channel per radio or a couple channels per tower. That said, in unlicensed spectrum that is busy like 5 GHz or 2.4, you're not going to use the same channel everywhere as it would be impossible to do so due to external interferers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender. https://www.facebook.com/ICSILImage removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbImage removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionsImag e removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
re those comments in 2002, here's an example. During the Spectrum Policy Task Force, there were some elements of industry trying to insist the FCC codify Wi-Fi as the only standard accepted for use in future unlicensed bands. I argued aggressively against this, with this being my opening salvo Found on page 102 of the transcript): 3 MR. LEARY: I'm sorry. Patrick Leary 4 with Alvarion. If I walk into a crowded Egyptian 5 bazaar without any shoes and I cut my feet, or I 6 get my toes stepped on, is it the fault -- whose 7 fault is it? It's my fault because I chose the 8 wrong technology. 9 The same person could back into that 10 same bazaar with a pair of steel-toed boots and be 11 just fine. If that same bazaar, if there's 3,000 12 people in there, and 2,000 of them don't wear 13 shoes, and 2,000 of them get hurt, yes, there's a 14 problem, but that still is not the problem of the 15 band. It's the problem of the predominant choice, 16 being chosen by most of those people, so I would 17 caution, just as Professor Lessig was saying, you 18 know. The myth of congestion is in large, a 19 comment about the technology itself that's been 20 deployed, not about the band itself so, you know, 21 if you start protecting for this one prevailing 22 standard, of which I also participate in to some 23 degree then, you know, you stifle innovation and 24 you're protecting the wrong things. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:27 AM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G Paolo, As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is my understanding of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated expectation. None have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is well worth a consultation fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated call with him. I will offer some international perspective here as well for your benefit there in Italy. - 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks (tricky) - Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though auction process is likely not to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden streamlined method - remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, opportunistic use - Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from acquiring more that 30% (3 channels) - ownership likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years max perhaps - HOWEVER...even if one owns some of this spectrum, others can use it IF the owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners DO build, the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be dynamically managing base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will relocate the opportunistic user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive spectrum to the owner now actively using it - this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum following a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may be more granular (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it would open use more broadly) - potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed current 3.65 for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge) - there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined sets of users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users away from their active channels, moving them to open channels I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of us don't yet understand what's meant by dynamic as it relates to machines talking to machines in real time. A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. adoption of this band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost globally and encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE world calls UEs for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless CPE). I fully expect things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, etc. to have embedded 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional fixed wireless UE options. Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re fixed wireless -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, etc. -- and in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see my comments in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 2002, 3 years before it was released http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am hoping my streak continues. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735
Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
Yes, this could be what happens. I prefer your version re the non-specific exclusivity; I think that'd be an excellent devolopment. I'll be happy when we all know definitively. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D01467.FD546D20]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G Also only my opinion, but I believe: The licenses are 10 MHz wide, but unlicensed operations can do whatever they want regarding channel size (well, and device certification). An operator can only have three licenses in a given area (block, tract, I forget what). 50 MHz will remain for unlicensed operations. All channels are dynamically allocated by the SAS database (even licensed). Your license isn't for a specific 10 Mhz (3550 - 3560), but just 10 MHz anywhere in the space. I think that's about all that i would add or redirect from your post. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com To: paolo difrancesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:27:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDDand FDDCarrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G Paolo, As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is my understanding of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated expectation. None have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is well worth a consultation fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated call with him. I will offer some international perspective here as well for your benefit there in Italy. - 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks (tricky) - Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though auction process is likely not to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden streamlined method - remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, opportunistic use - Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from acquiring more that 30% (3 channels) - ownership likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years max perhaps - HOWEVER...even if one owns some of this spectrum, others can use it IF the owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners DO build, the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be dynamically managing base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will relocate the opportunistic user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive spectrum to the owner now actively using it - this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum following a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may be more granular (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it would open use more broadly) - potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed current 3.65 for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge) - there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined sets of users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users away from their active channels, moving them to open channels I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of us don't yet understand what's meant by dynamic as it relates to machines talking to machines in real time. A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. adoption of this band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost globally and encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE world calls UEs for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless CPE). I fully expect things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, etc. to have embedded 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional fixed wireless UE options. Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re fixed wireless -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, etc. -- and in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see my comments in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 2002, 3 years before it was released http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am hoping my streak
Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol....
That I won't touch! Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 5:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol Which brings up the question who amid this motley crew is Major Tom? Or is that the devices? On 12/03/2014 01:44 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: to Major Tom Sorry, the song's been in my head since this thread popped up. *Patrick Leary* ***M*727.501.3735 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:07 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project Didn't they change the provisioning mechanism in aircontrol 2? I thought they had moved from SSH to something that was supposed to be more efficient. -- -- *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:56 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project I've done a bit of work previously to reverse engineering the provisioning mechanism, and I see nothing that would be a problem collecting stats via that method. You'd still have to use groundcontrol to initially connect/provision the units first to exchange SSH keys, and you'd want it to be on a different ip that your previous aircontrol server. A nasty thing about ubnt provisioning... if you replace the server on the same ip or a different ip, all of the radios that were previously provisioned will always try to connect to the old ip/server, which causes quite a bit of arp traffic. one thing I'd like to do is create a cleanup tool for that, though pssh (parallel ssh) + wireshark helped me clean up that mess manually in the past. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/03/2014 11:09 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some of the provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for aircontrol? It's nice to have subscriber units phone home. On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp that uses their own software might offer something. Mike Hammett wrote: Further driven by today's post that summed up says, We don't care what you want. This is what you get. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org, Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_us...@wispa.org, a...@afmug.com mailto:a...@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] groundcontrol project For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started a new project yesterday. https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2. We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server, and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen. The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to observium where the is a community (free as in beer) version that comes out every 6mo or so, and a paid version with newer features and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral. If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation, ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and for the WISP community. Thank you! -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless
[WISPA] If anyone knows him, please...
broker an offlist introduction. Stefan Englhardt Thanks you. Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary [cid:image001.png@01D003EF.AA6DBD10]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Looking for service
Manteca? Hey, that's where my wife's grandma lives. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0001C.38137D30]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service Totally should! On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.commailto:kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We should have a mini-meet at the black bear, since we all seem to be close enough to smell the same stink. ;-) -Kristian On 11/14/2014 11:37 AM, Mike Lyon wrote: Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right at that intersection next to the sugar factory and train tracks. Moo. -Mike On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns t...@cv-access.commailto:t...@cv-access.com wrote: Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards The smell is most likely residual... From: Mike Lyonmailto:mike.l...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom. Think they accidentally swapped the names... On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.commailto:kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms). I'm sure I'm missing some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor. -Kristian On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.commailto:jtho...@quarnet.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service Looking for 10 meg 1640 West Yosemite Blvd. Manteca, CA 95337 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826tel:408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.commailto:mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] 3.65 GHz power rules; do you really understand them?
the limit for a single beam. In addition, to allow flexibility in deployment of advanced antenna systems, including sectorized and adaptive array systems, we will allow systems using these antennas to operate with an aggregate transmit output power transmitted simultaneously on all beams of up to 8 dB above the limit for an individual beam.115 Happy radiating, Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary [cid:image004.png@01CFFCED.069DD750]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
...links have 2 sides - Patrick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating. My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air. On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the IP rating. First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP fifty-five, but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP five five. Come again?!? Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals with mechanical tolerance.) In any event, here's the key to crack the code: image002.png image005.png Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not to. These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your control. Regards, Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary image004.pnghttp://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on image003.pnghttp://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the IP rating. First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP fifty-five, but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP five five. Come again?!? Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals with mechanical tolerance.) In any event, here's the key to crack the code: [cid:image002.png@01CFFACB.5227F850] [cid:image005.png@01CFFACB.5227F850] Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not to. These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your control. Regards, Patrick Leary National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd. M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary [cid:image004.png@01CFFAD0.90DEDD20]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim Wireless
Looks like an excellent product for the small business enterprise. Love that GUI showing which users' phone are hitting it hard. I've a ton of friends and ex-colleagues over at Ruckus, so I know they've good people. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image006.png@01CFF356.013BB160]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim Wireless Thanks for the heads up Gino! Now I know what AP is going into my new office. I love Ruckus... but the price was always the killer thing. [cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com SAF Tehnika Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg Spectrum Compact Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/2GoNP974B4k [cid:40B6B97A-78D8-4322-9584-2247AEDCEC32] https://www.facebook.com/SAFTehnika [cid:C62FF935-06DE-41B5-8D9C-6CDF5978E509] https://twitter.com/SAFTehnika [cid:A57FE05F-BC56-4980-982F-1E3DA8E28EBE] http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc [cid:0F4D1499-0C92-4A56-9097-3F468F84263A] http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika SAF Tehnika JSC www.saftehnika.comapplewebdata://BB026C49-6C28-4CBB-9885-D4B87260AB34/www.saftehnika.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim Wireless New player vs UBNT Outdoor 11AC AP for $299 http://www.xclaimwireless.com/ Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving the eastern area of North Carolina?
Did you try Intelliport in Hereford, NC just across the sound from Elizabeth City. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2014, at 15:44, Bruce Bridgewater bru...@cobasystems.netmailto:bru...@cobasystems.net wrote: Specifically Elizabeth City? Need a point to point link installed. No Service just a link. Bruce Bridgewater Coba Systems 5111 N 10th Street #334 McAllen, TX 78504 956-212-4261 800-928-6306 ext 21 888-225-0494 Fax 888-950-5474 for 24 Hour Customer Support This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bid on the pink bibs
Having lost my youngest sister to breast cancer and having another sister who beat it, I appreciated this effort by WISPA and its members. Thank you. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01CFEC78.746BB480]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:11 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bid on the pink bibs Congrats to Dave Giles for winning the bibs. He makes them look great! There were a number of Vendors as well as WISPs that agreed to match this winning bid of $251. I have sent emails to the ones that I had on the list giving them the link to donate directly to the NBCF. If you were one of the folks that agreed to match the bid and didn't just get an email from me, please contact me off-list so I don't miss anyone. All donations are tax deductable and go directly to the NBCF. They have told me that these proceeds will go to help fund the free mammography program. It's not too late to help. If you would like to match Dave on the $251 that's great but any donation will help. Below is the link to the donation page where you can see the total and make a donation if you would like to. https://fundraise.nbcf.org/fundraise?fcid=352570 It was great seeing all the pink on Thursday. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net/ towercoverage.comhttp://www.towercoverage.com/ ispradio.comhttp://www.ispradio.com/ From: members-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tekwav Lists Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:26 PM To: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Bid on the pink bibs Here's the full link...just in case you want quick access. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221572562548?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D221572562548%26_rdc%3D1 JJ On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:51 PM, alex phillips highspeedl...@gmail.commailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber?
As an old fiber tech, I always preferred to splice, etc. inside an environmentally controlled van, then coil up and hang overhead or mount down in the hole. In PR, with the heat, bugs, rain, go the van route with a small boom if you can. That's my recommendation. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01CFD8D1.1BB5D6A0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber? We are building our fiber crew, most will be aerial. Van or Truck? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber?
Bingo! We had one similar with an access panel on the passenger side to bring the cable through. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01CFD8E1.E9A416C0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber? Van with a Bucket. [http://www.aboutaeriallifts.com/pics/versalift_van_tel.jpg] Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber? As an old fiber tech, I always preferred to splice, etc. inside an environmentally controlled van, then coil up and hang overhead or mount down in the hole. In PR, with the heat, bugs, rain, go the van route with a small boom if you can. That's my recommendation. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image005.png@01CFD8E1.E9A416C0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber? We are building our fiber crew, most will be aerial. Van or Truck? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Hey! A Patrick sighting! Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Guinness. Far more effective. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Bring jerky. On 08/07/2014 11:35 AM, Robert wrote: Patrick, I've never met you, but now you know what I'll be expecting when I do happen to meet you! LOL On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Hey! A Patrick sighting! Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligen tC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen omputingSolutionsDeKalbt- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligen tC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen omputingSolutionsDeKalbt- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL --- -- --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326N iP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is. For definition purposes: MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and there's not downside compared with the capacity gain. You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image002.png@01CFB0D5.D188A670]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can't really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it's not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there's not really an easy mode. I can't comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it's incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
...MU-MIMO = multiuser MIMO, not multiuse MIMO...excuse the typo From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is. For definition purposes: MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and there's not downside compared with the capacity gain. You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01CFB0D9.868D6940]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released Josh, TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences. You can't really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic products if it's not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, so there's not really an easy mode. I can't comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind. Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of the game to create unique beamforms. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it's incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/ On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: The PtMP. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: What are you whating? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz
I'd be shocked if the military could claim unilateral authority for restricting 170 MHz of long-established ISM spectrum (nor 120 MHz of UNII). I hope we read an authoritative opinion via from Steve Coran. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01CF7E5B.AB6CED40]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:52 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz I am following up in hopes that some of you smart fellas can offer suggestions. Recap: USAF Calls / emails asking to please identify all 5Ghz emitters operating on or near 5765Mhz and either turn them off or change RF settings to not fall under that category so that RFI to their tracking radar can be reduced. How the radar works: Apparently the radar has multiple modes for tracking / interrogating space-bound craft. In its primary mode, it sends a pulse out on 5672Mhz and then listens for the echo (normal radar operation). It then has another mode, where it sends an interrogation request to the vehicle (satellite / rocket etc) on 5690Mhz and then listens for a reply from the vehicle on 5765Mhz at least for some commercial space launches. DoD military launches etc. also are tracked / interrogated this same way but the listen freq. is something other than 5765Mhz (probably classified). So - the prob the USAF has with RFI is related to hearing the vehicle interrogation response on 5765Mhz - and only while sitting on the pad and the first few seconds of flight. A few seconds after launch, the gigantic parabolic dish (~65db gain on 5Ghz) with its 1deg beam-width has effectively muted out most of the RFI to the sides as it starts to track up. We (and others / cable company etc) worked with them to not only re-program our equipment we felt could be causing RFI to their radar, but to track down others we could see operating equipment centered on their 5765Mhz freq. We were able to continue this process until the radar was able to track / interrogate successfully, from what information I was relayed. We attempted to work with them to be good neighbors and hopefully avoid a situation where we were told all emitters regardless of their effect on the radar (even ones that were not causing them issues) would need to be removed from service in some fashion. Here we are today. The USAF has now decided to create a 60Km zone around each of their tracking radars and request that we not only keep equipment off the 5765Mhz they listen on but everything in the range from 5630 - 5800 Mhz just for good measure. I feel such a blanket request is not reasonable. Cut and past from their DoD Eastern Area Frequency Coordination Office: === Mr WISP, I received the 5 GHz exclusion the range is requesting around their radars (Graphic available here: http://flhsi.com/files/radar.PNG ). The spheres are centered on each radar and have a radius of 60 km. No emitters in these spheres should be allowed to transmit from 5630 - 5800 MHz. I am drafting up a request for public notice to FCC today. When approved, I will let you know. === So my question is this Is it realistic or even remotely possible this becomes an FCC official rule? I would ask anyone / everyone with a vested interest in this (do you use 5Ghz?) to respond. Thank you for your time. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 [Image removed by sender.] From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 12:02 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question Good morning, We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well. We were notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or something to that effect. During the two months or so the repairs are expected to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from CCAFS / KSC. The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises. I asked the frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz. So any way to the point... When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change freq preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz (actual quoted request). Obviously we can't
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Omni
We have a few operators doing this with our COMPACT using a dual polarity omni. Granted, the locations are extremely rural with ample tree density, so conflict of what nearby cells there may be is not a problem. For us, it is not a recommended design, but the operator finds it is working well for their needs. Their range is better than I would have expected as well. I am not sure what brand or model antenna is being used. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01CF531D.F9A21620]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of wi...@mncomm.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Omni Just curious if others have deployed a 3650 Omni and to know if it was effective? We have a few sites that we use 3650 PTP and one with a 120 degree panel that cranks out some decent power. Of course we are always looking for areas that we can break up APs and get some RF separation. I ran into a competitor on the extreme north side of one of our competitors that has a customer using a M365 power bridge. From their registration on FCC the closest sites they have registered are over 20 miles away. Can this be done PtMP on 3650? I have a BH link doing 24 miles on Rockets but havent tried anything this distance PtMP. I assume they have a closer site that’s not fully registered on the FCC site as of yet. Anyways, just curious if omni was real effective. Just more or less looking for areas to throw on 15 to 20 subs to break down some overloaded M2 M5 AP. And if so, are you using UBNT antennas or KP or other thanks heith This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. inline: image003.png___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 3650 Omni
Good point re the downtilt. I should have noted the omnis I mentioned being used on the COMPACTs have an electrical downtilt. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01CF531F.350B0540]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Omni Doesn't answer your question but, we've use splitters and sector antennas to get around the use of omni's. There are a couple of advantages to sector design. Downtilt being the most important. However, it does cost more tower rent and cable management can be a pain. We've used it with great success. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:55 AM, wi...@mncomm.commailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Just curious if others have deployed a 3650 Omni and to know if it was effective? We have a few sites that we use 3650 PTP and one with a 120 degree panel that cranks out some decent power. Of course we are always looking for areas that we can break up APs and get some RF separation. I ran into a competitor on the extreme north side of one of our competitors that has a customer using a M365 power bridge. From their registration on FCC the closest sites they have registered are over 20 miles away. Can this be done PtMP on 3650? I have a BH link doing 24 miles on Rockets but havent tried anything this distance PtMP. I assume they have a closer site that's not fully registered on the FCC site as of yet. Anyways, just curious if omni was real effective. Just more or less looking for areas to throw on 15 to 20 subs to break down some overloaded M2 M5 AP. And if so, are you using UBNT antennas or KP or other thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. inline: image001.png___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...
Somethings are not a matter of belief, they are either demonstratably true or not. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2014, at 14:39, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: haha, yeah, I know someone bought PureWave, but I think they're just doing a DBA PureWave. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.commailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:37:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had... Purewave also falls under whatever their name is now ... On Mar 27, 2014 5:13 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: PureWave, RunCom, Alvarion (well, whatever their name is now), the Aperto\Tranzeo guys, AirSpan was the first for the full 50 MHz, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:51:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had... Yeah, I had heard canopy/cambium was doing other stuff. What are the other companies using though? Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 03/27/2014 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Wimax on the pmp320 and others is 3.65 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 27, 2014 2:36 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Different frequencies (2.5 in the US, 2.3 in Asia, 3.3 and 3.5GHz in other areas) 5bps/Hz vs 2.7bps/Hz on 802.11-stuff smart antenna systems on the fly bandwidth and channel changes channel bandwidths of things like 1.25MHz - 20MHz hybrid automatic repeat-request (HARQ - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_automatic_repeat-request) etc. It's a different animal. It's very expensive though, and I've heard some pretty outrageous claims from it that I just don't believe. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 03/27/2014 11:25 AM, Sam wrote: Today we had a company come to us pushing wimax. Admittedly I've never used wimax, nor do I know a lot about it. From what I can see looking at Google images of the technology and how it's deployed, it looks no different than the PtP and PtMP that we all use with 900 MHz, or 2.4 and 5.x GHz. Is the only advantage to wimax the presumably clearer and less-used frequencies upon which they operate? I had (evidently mistakenly) thought that perhaps wimax was a code word for some sort of mesh, and that's how it achieved NLOS service. However in looking at the network layouts on Google, it doesn't look like that at all. Rather, it looks like that add another AP to get around the obstruction(s), and simply backhaul it to an intermediary AP/tower to get it back to the PoP. Thanks Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
[WISPA] Re-Use 1 - A techincal discussion
Hi folks, I'm having an interesting dialogue about the subject topic offline. One of our engineers embedded in one of the largest BWA networks in North America (450+ base stations/over 70k CPE) has chimed in. His comments bear spreading to the community. The responding engineer cut his teeth years ago working for a major mobile carrier. The trigger for the discussion was an assumption that re-use of 1 is a viable choice for fixed networks today. Reuse 1 is being used widely in mobile as users (omni antenna) are typically not guaranteed any throughput per their fixed location meaning center of sector great throughput but cell edge very poor. In broadband wireless and all the testing of Reuse 1 I have witnessed there is significant degradation to users on the cell edge. This means the only business model that can work with reuse 1 in its current state would be the mobile strategy which is no committed rate and users don't sit around executing speed tests to audit their providers service. The LTE concept of equal time means that the only time a cell edge user could get any throughput is when there are no active users in the cell center . One of the main issues with Reuse 1 today is that is implements static ICIC which is actually no better than WiMAX reuse 1 aka FFR0. FFR 0 statically divided the map zone(control plane) into 1/3 and allocated a different 1/3 of the bandwidth to each sector. This is essentially the same thing that is done with static ICIC in LTE and we know it does not work well in either technology i.e. WiMAX or LTE There are advances planned that will improve this situation, but all of which are still in the works. Adaptive ICIC- unlike static you are not limiting your cell edge to only 1/3 the bandwidth constantly. In this scenario the eNB is allocating a reuse pattern on a dynamic basic using any of the following reuse 1, reuse 3, reuse 6. This of course is still only frequency based scheduling as freq and power are coordinated eICIC - eICIC not only schedules freq and power in coordination it adjacent cells, it also coordinates time by implementing the ABS (almost blank subframe). With eICIC or any other interference coordination schema there is still the trade off of resources as sectors and adjacent eNB coordinate the sharing of the same freq and time resources. CoMP - Coordinated Multipoint which is a much more advanced feature set that allows for the joint scheduling of a single UE from multiple eNB. The benefit here is the receiver gain on the downlink along with the leveraging of a interferer signal to be utilized as a usable signal in combination with the primary serving eNB. On the uplink it's the same concept as multiple eNB receive the UE transmission and combine it forming a virtual array. +++ If you have questions or comments, I can forward them to the engineer for further elaboration. Cheers, Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01CF4357.3B1EE550]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. inline: image003.png___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Back in the Alvarion days we had a customer in south FL with well over 1000 CPE using UNII-2 bands with DFS via the BreezeMAX Extreme product. They ran only QAM16 or higher connections and we able to achieve that with high reliability in the dense suburban areas up to about 3 miles. The low noise floor and 2x2 MIMO was a key factor in getting their excellent link budgets. So the idea that mid-5GHz is not good for BWA is a myth. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2014, at 17:05, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: What are you guys talking about? A 30dB dish with a 0dB radio on it will easily go 4-5 miles. Or put a 34dB dish on with a -4dB radio if you want more gain. Sent from my iPad On Feb 12, 2014, at 17:56, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 5:23 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Yea, but the power levels of some are not likely usable in an outdoor WISP environment. A good explanation is at Wikipedia strange enough... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII People running equipment in frequencies at a power level higher than intended is the issue. Also, the 5470-5725 band requires DFS. Actually, so does 5.25-5.35, as of 2004 or so. It didn't originally, but when they added the 5.47-5.725 band, which needs DFS, they added the requirement to the original U-NII-2A band. So 15.407(h)(2) Radar Detection Function of Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS). U-NII devices operating in the 5.25-5.35 GHz and 5http://www.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2013/5/47-5/section.pdf.47-5http://sujan.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2013/5/47-5/index.php.725 GHz bands shall employ a DFS radar detection mechanism to detect the presence of radar systems and to avoid co-channel operation with radar systems. The power level down there is adequate for some applications, like half-mile links. Lots of old Motorola PTP-400s are legally pumping +5 to +9 dBm into panels... one urban path is working over 2 miles, though we're replacing it. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.commailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote: 5265-5320 5500-5580 5660-5700 5735-5840 Are these not USA channels? If am wrong let me know and I will change them. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.netmailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Forrest...what is your offlist email ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.commailto:li...@packetflux.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies? Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM I'm going to agree with others... Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use than to exceed the limits. I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted. My experience over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed over. Even if the radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf than is likely needed causing an overall rising of the noise floor. Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly. We've just all either dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator like you are now. And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the FCC which is hard to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules. Which makes us a bit grumpy. I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your operations which will in turn improve your quality of service. Heck, I'd drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed. In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network. On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.commailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote: Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of these frequencies. Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that platform. First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about 40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area, Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840. Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with it. Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA. Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports
Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Freezing my a** off in St. Paul tonight, but loving it since I'm with about 20 operators at a customer user event. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2014, at 18:37, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Patrick, how the heck are ya? marlon From: Patrick Learymailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:01 AM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies? Amen. Preach it Brother Marlon. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:19, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I’m with Forrest here. Back in the “back ol’ days” of everyone running amps (we had to back then in many cases) some vendors loved to sell more power. More power means faster service at longer ranges right? WRONG. Carrier to interference level is where your speed and distance comes from. The high power systems, as Forrest says, cause the radios to produce much more *detectable* power outside their main band. That power outside the main band causes the interference. It was always a struggle, but when I used to do interference I convinced many WISPs that LOWER powers would actually improve the performance of their networks. It was nearly 100% true. In the rare cases when lower power levels didn’t work it was because people were trying to use higher powers to over-ride physics and go through trees, buildings etc. One very important note here. If you do try lower power levels you’ll have to lower ALL of the devices back down to reasonable levels (RSSI should be between –65 and –75 for most modern radios to perform their best, –55 will work but see the above notes about self inflicted interference). A quick check is to shut down all of your AP’s in an area and see what the noise goes to. Oh yeah, very few radios really report accurate interference information. If you are checking those levels via anything other than a real spectrum analyzer you’ll likely find out that there are also other things happening in your area. Call if you’d like and we can talk this out a bit more. 509.988.0260 laters, marlon From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies? I'm going to agree with others... Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use than to exceed the limits. I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted. My experience over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed over. Even if the radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf than is likely needed causing an overall rising of the noise floor. Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly. We've just all either dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator like you are now. And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the FCC which is hard to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules. Which makes us a bit grumpy. I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your operations which will in turn improve your quality of service. Heck, I'd drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed. In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network. On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.commailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote: Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of these frequencies. Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that platform. First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about 40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area, Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840. Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with it. Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA. Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports 5170-5875. Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both wisps and consumers. -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019
Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Amen. Preach it Brother Marlon. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:19, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I’m with Forrest here. Back in the “back ol’ days” of everyone running amps (we had to back then in many cases) some vendors loved to sell more power. More power means faster service at longer ranges right? WRONG. Carrier to interference level is where your speed and distance comes from. The high power systems, as Forrest says, cause the radios to produce much more *detectable* power outside their main band. That power outside the main band causes the interference. It was always a struggle, but when I used to do interference I convinced many WISPs that LOWER powers would actually improve the performance of their networks. It was nearly 100% true. In the rare cases when lower power levels didn’t work it was because people were trying to use higher powers to over-ride physics and go through trees, buildings etc. One very important note here. If you do try lower power levels you’ll have to lower ALL of the devices back down to reasonable levels (RSSI should be between –65 and –75 for most modern radios to perform their best, –55 will work but see the above notes about self inflicted interference). A quick check is to shut down all of your AP’s in an area and see what the noise goes to. Oh yeah, very few radios really report accurate interference information. If you are checking those levels via anything other than a real spectrum analyzer you’ll likely find out that there are also other things happening in your area. Call if you’d like and we can talk this out a bit more. 509.988.0260 laters, marlon From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies? I'm going to agree with others... Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds like you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use than to exceed the limits. I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted. My experience over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed over. Even if the radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf than is likely needed causing an overall rising of the noise floor. Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly. We've just all either dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator like you are now. And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the FCC which is hard to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules. Which makes us a bit grumpy. I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your operations which will in turn improve your quality of service. Heck, I'd drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed. In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network. On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.commailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote: Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of these frequencies. Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that platform. First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about 40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area, Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840. Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with it. Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA. Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports 5170-5875. Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both wisps and consumers. -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837tel:509-927-7837 ptera.comhttp://ptera.com facebook.com/PteraInchttp://facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Pterahttp://twitter.com/Ptera - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU
Yes, that can be done and commonly was. I do not recall the exact setting. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while both were connected to the same AU. Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off? Or maybe it was you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the head router. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE connection. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote: Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all? Thanks ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless * * ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. * * ** * * ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. * * ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion B100 802.1Q-IN-Q
I have sent you an offlist post Carlos. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Alcantar Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion B100 802.1Q-IN-Q Anyone doing 802.1q-in-q through alvarion B100 radio's? There data sheets lack detail and there website seem to not have any #'s to call to talk to a pre sales. PS. Sorry for any cross posting on other mailing list... Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(187). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(187). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Announces Discounted Press Release Program for Members
That is an exceptional deal Rick. Having spent 5 years on the marketing side I know both the effort and costs associated with PRs. I also know the value of a well done PR. WISPA is adding really good value here folks and I'd highly advise you leverage this new service. I say that because in the digital age, news from the PR News Wires spreads fast and far and will put eyeballs in your area on your news. Even some of the mobile news apps out there may pick up some of these PRs under their local news feeds. Now, a few basic good practices for PRs: They should really be no more than 4 4-5 sentence paragraphs. First paragraph should contain all the central messaging (some only read that far). Paragraph two should spell out in a little more detail the new thing (new service, new town launched or new marquis customer or etc.) focusing on the benefits. Three should have a quote from some meaningful third party, like the customer, a city official, etc. that mentions how great X is and why. Four should have a quote from your exec and maybe a bit more detail about features (as opposed to the benefits you mentioned in 2. E.g. if in 2 you say something like how your new service enables burp-free streaming, than 4 might mention the specific service package. Every PR should have a few sentence under the heading About so and so, that is your boiler plate company statement. Include accurate contact info following that. Finally, edit, edit, edit for spelling and grammar -- nothing will ruin a good PR like poor grammar. I'll close by saying no matter which gear you use, I am always willing to look over anyone's PR in this space and provide feedback and advice. I'm good at it and I can promise you'll not get anything from me but appropriate advice. Regards, Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Steve Coran
Pls call me ASAP. 727.501.3735 Sent from my iPhone This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Steve Coran
Thx. Just spoke to him. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: (202) 416-6744 -- phone (202) 669-3288 -- mobile Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 25, 2013 1:21 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Pls call me ASAP. 727.501.3735 Sent from my iPhone This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym
That's a trademarked company name of a Canadian operator. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Duncan Scott Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:34 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym For a while we were using WiBand, which I though was catchy. ~Duncan On 4/16/2013 4:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service acronym to market... like WiFi, 4G, LTE and DSL And it hit me... Fixed Wireless Broadband... FiWi-B Promunced feewee bee? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym
That's a pretty cool name. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym Well, doesn't really matter to me and I haven't been part of this discussion, but SkiFi sounds reasonable. And I want my prize for making that up too... like SciFi but SkiFi - cause after all, it aint going through the ground ?? yes / no And my prize is? Some nucklehead is going to trademark that any way if not already and it'll be gone as fast as it arrived Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym Many have called this the BWA industry for years. Broadband Wireless Access. Don't pigeon hole with the word fixed just as all the world has embraced mobile -- it makes us look like dinosaurs...even if I resemble that comment. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Clark Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym Coming soon FiWi Second Generation Just like cells Phone company's 2g 3g 4g From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym +1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the broadband is almost a given) Pronounced fy why On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: FiWi IMO Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, Jorge Santiago jscnetwo...@gmail.com wrote: Gino, honestly that sounds weird! LOL On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service acronym to market. like WiFi, 4G, LTE and DSL.. And it hit me. Fixed Wireless Broadband. FiWi-B Promunced feewee bee? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100
Re: [WISPA] Alternatives to Ubiquiti hardware after death of the SDKprogram?
well sure! ... :) Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Alternatives to Ubiquiti hardware after death of the SDKprogram? Hello all, We're being forced to look at alternatives to UBNT now that they've killed off the SDK program, and I imagine some of the larger WISPs that rely on the ability to heavily customize feature-sets feel the same way. Any suggestions as to where we should be looking? Thanks, Tom S. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym
Many have called this the BWA industry for years. Broadband Wireless Access. Don't pigeon hole with the word fixed just as all the world has embraced mobile -- it makes us look like dinosaurs...even if I resemble that comment. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Clark Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym Coming soon FiWi Second Generation Just like cells Phone company's 2g 3g 4g From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym +1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the broadband is almost a given) Pronounced fy why On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: FiWi IMO Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, Jorge Santiago jscnetwo...@gmail.com wrote: Gino, honestly that sounds weird! LOL On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service acronym to market... like WiFi, 4G, LTE and DSL And it hit me... Fixed Wireless Broadband... FiWi-B Promunced feewee bee? No? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 760-678-5033 jun...@ask-wi.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago
Nice work by Bonsal effecting the rescue. Never climb alone (I know some people actually do). Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Osborn Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg -cell-tower-84385.html Tower climber went into hypothermia on the 1-23-13 and had to be rescued off the tower. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
Don't think that's the case Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I knew it was too good to be true... Bridge and Router Modes - Require additional licenses. :( On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT CPE? How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? Pricing? -- On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. The specs on the dual band sector are: 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm 5 GHz: 49 dBm Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help the range too. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Patrick, Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. Yes John, we have client devices, among them: Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also
Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
If configured that way, yes. If not, no. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net wrote: I have the same question as to whether non-proprietary devices like cellphones and laptops will be able to connect to the AP. For example, in a municipal deployment where the town wants to give all residents low-cost or free Internet access. On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm assuming that since stadiums are a market, these are traditional WiFi, since you can't very well plug a USB dongle into a smartphone. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:21:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. The specs on the dual band sector are: 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm 5 GHz: 49 dBm Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help the range too. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Patrick, Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. Yes John, we have client devices, among them: Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box. There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. I have to check as there may be others. Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several other patented interference mitigation techniques. Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM To: j...@mvn.net ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use something called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables
Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
Best complete info will come via the Feb 12 webinar. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: So how can we get some solid info on this thing? It looks really impressive... but there are so many questions! On 1/28/13 9:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: Don't think that's the case Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I knew it was too good to be true... Bridge and Router Modes - Require additional licenses. :( On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT CPE? How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? Pricing? -- On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. The specs on the dual band sector are: 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm 5 GHz: 49 dBm Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help the range too. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Patrick, Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has
Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT CPE? How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? Pricing? -- On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. The specs on the dual band sector are: 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm 5 GHz: 49 dBm Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help the range too. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Patrick, Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. Yes John, we have client devices, among them: Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box
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A lot more and two engineers to answer questions, one of them owned his own Canopy-based WISP for years. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? On that same note... is there more info on this webinar? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/27/13 6:13 PM, Blair Davis wrote: I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace all my UBNT CPE? How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? Pricing? -- On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. The specs on the dual band sector are: 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm 5 GHz: 49 dBm Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help the range too. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Patrick, Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. Yes John, we have client devices, among them: Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box. There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. I have to check as there may be others. Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several other patented interference mitigation techniques. Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun
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The big Canadian operator is using our traditional 4Motion BreezeMAX WiMAX gear. I believe they are now layering in the small footprint new 4x4 (but I think they are using it in 4x2) Compacts though, which cost much less than the original base stations. I think they are over 20k subs at this point. They sell 5 to 10 mbps service and put well over 100 subs on a sector. Their oversubscription is higher than most WISPs would do, but the network seems to be managed well. I think it is about 15:1. It's not for everyone, but it works for them. Re the former Wavion stuff, on Feb 12, we'll be doing a WISPA webinar on the new products born from our acquisition of Wavion. 900 mbps aggregate dual band outdoor IP68-rated APs. Each has an array of 6 radios with bi-directional adaptive beamforming that adjusts per packet so we were able to cert them using PtP power rules. That makes coverage and indoor penetration really good. One of our engineers put one of the new APs on his 2nd story porch and did 20 mbps from his laptop with just a USB device at 1 mile. As part of the webinar we'll introduce sustained special pricing for proven WISPA members. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They can b a little pricey though. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are generally too low of throughput to be useful. I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi space to not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. It looks really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive. 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I have areas where I could put something multiples higher to use. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net To: us...@wug.cc, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone successfully deploying something else to service both residential and business customers? Thanks, - Matt ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. Yes John, we have client devices, among them: Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box. There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. I have to check as there may be others. Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several other patented interference mitigation techniques. Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM To: j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use something called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 5.8) and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients. And another plus is the few times we have had issues all ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u have specific questions I didn't answer let me know. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID John Scrivner j...@mvn.net wrote: Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer link? Latency results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only use plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many deployments? Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do when I saw them at a show but I am always hesitant to believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a real outdoor delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results about this device. Thank you, Scriv On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves ty...@wigi.us wrote: We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They can b a little pricey though. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are generally too low of throughput to be useful. I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi space to not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. It looks really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive. 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I have areas where I could put something multiples higher to use. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Jenkins m
Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. The specs on the dual band sector are: 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm 5 GHz: 49 dBm Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help the range too. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Patrick, Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. Yes John, we have client devices, among them: Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box. There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. I have to check as there may be others. Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several other patented interference mitigation techniques. Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM To: j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use something called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 5.8) and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients. And another plus is the few times we have had issues all ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u have specific questions I didn't answer let me know. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID John Scrivner j...@mvn.net wrote: Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer link? Latency
Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what you buy? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. The specs on the dual band sector are: 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm 5 GHz: 49 dBm Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help the range too. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? Patrick, Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3? Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote: Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. Yes John, we have client devices, among them: Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box. There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. I have to check as there may be others. Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several other patented interference mitigation techniques. Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks. Patrick Leary Alvarion 727.501.3735 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM To: j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use something called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 5.8) and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients. And another plus is the few times we have had issues all ive done is create a tech file in the web gui
[WISPA] FL Panhandle or south AL WISP?
If you are a WISP in the subject area and would like a visit from me around the 11th of December, please let me know OFFLIST. I'd know I'd enjoy and appreciate it. Regards, Patrick Leary Eastern U.S. Canada Sales Director Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 o: 727.851.9140 FCC Spectrum Policy Task Force panelist, 2002 WISP Advocate of the Year, 2002, Part-15.org Most Significant Vendor, 2008, WISPA Knight of the Black Tie awardee, 2012, WISPA This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Thanksgiving appreciation
Some of you know the, well, wildness of the last 5 or so years for me, but here I am healthier than ever and extraordinarily thankful that even the gods at Stanford Medical Center are still occasionally wrong. And now I am back in the industry I love with my home company that now understands where its bread is buttered. My management is amazing -- something I've never been able to say. I've a wife and family that provide a satisfying home life and bring humor and humility. You folks are the best; you have your own skin in the game and are genuinely care about the services you provide to your communities. That makes you special and important. I may never earn the business of many of you, but that is not a qualification for my respect nor appreciation of what you do. Know regardless if I can help, I will., so please reach out. I hope for you all the blessings for which I am myself very thankful. Kindly, Patrick Leary This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???
Considering Ben is working hard all Saturday wading into the dialogue deeply implies UBNT takes this seriously and cares. That alone says much. Props to Ben from a fellow vendor. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: I have been in contact with Ben through several emails. I am confident that they are doing their best to address these issues. This is not the type of thing WISPA should be focusing on anyways. Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:59 PM To: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Are Ubiquiti cables failing??? A good example of a good company trying to do a good thing and failing at it. Maybe because it is outside of their core competence. No good deed goes unpunished. Ben could answer but my bet is that they wanted to come out with the cable to help their customers with a perceived issue. That issue being quality cable at a reasonable price. I doubt Ubiquity thought they were going to make a mint off of cable margins. I would rather see a company like ubiquity focus on their main business and churn out great products on a reliable ship schedule than get distracted by fringe lines. Of course all of this is easy to say in the middle of a storm. I would likely be praising them and their cable if there weren't so many issues. I am just glad I didn't buy much of it. Lewis Bergman Texas Communications 4309 Maple St. Abilene, TX 79602-8099 325-695-6962 x 1601 325-439-0533 cell On 11/3/2012 11:47 AM, Ben Moore wrote: Hi Rick, I will add a little more to this...The cable itself was tested thoroughly prior to release (UV, outdoor rating, etc...). The cable passed all testing. Unfortunately, some of the cable did not have the same quality as the cable that was tested/passed testing. We have corrected this and moved away from the vendor that caused these issues. The new cable has not had any issues. As stated, we will work any customer that has experienced problems with the cable. Please contact us directly. Thanks, Ben On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: I just heard about these problems last week at WISPAPALOOZA from Matt Villarreal. It sounds like a serious issue and one that should be addressed by the manufacturer. While Ubiquiti is a great partner for WISPA and the industry, they do need to take responsibility for products developed and pushed to market without proper testing. I am BCC copying Ben Moore to see what they intend to do about this problem. It will be interesting to know how many reels of this defective cable were sold, whether the defective coating has been corrected and whether replacement cable will be shipped. It would be the best interest of everyone if class action can be avoided. Let’s come to the table and come to a satisfactory conclusion for all. I will await Ben and Ubiquiti’s response before taking any further steps. Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing??? Hi all any feedback (positive or negative) regarding the new TOUGHCable CARRIER ? Just for curiosity: Anybody thinking of a class action ? It's not only the value of the cable or smoked devices itself, it's also the service interruption Thank you I just saw our first failure a couple weeks ago, it was consistent with photos I've seen of other ubnt toughcable failures. The jacket has turned from the original grey color to a translucent green, and hairline cracks then develop across the diameter of the cable. Almost like the plastic has shrunk, imagine alligator skin. In this failure, the POE was soaked and the radio had a blown eth port. Complete new install for the customer, except the roof tripod. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: Steve do you know specifically what failed yet? Did random holes just appear in the sheath? Is yours the black or green? I'm worried because we've been recommending this shielded cable to all our customers esp. in
Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
If you are speaking about backhaul, I might tend to agree Mike. But if PMP, which is what 4.9GHz is primarily for (PTP is literally considered a secondary service in 4.9 is only supposedly approved for temp service), then 4.9 GHz is the only option for high capacity PMP for public safety outside of using public bands like 5 GHz. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:19 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I have a client that is eligible for 4.9 GHz (already have the license), but the cost\benefit ratio goes to licensed gear over 4.9 GHz. The price isn't much different, but hte throughput is vastly different and you get real protection. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! Hi Patrick, Let me also chime in Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good product, it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all. Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day today, since I read your Alvarion Promo / Post. Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT Airmax Products. 4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who are doing consulting work for Local / City Gov. May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 5.x gear is cheaper. Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold globally. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets. The way I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges: 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g
Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
With modern gear such as our 2x2 Extreme, creating PMP coverage has never been better for both NLOS challenges and certainly makes LOS connections easier than ever, wouldn't you say? Not sure you mean by not the LOS advantage of normal installs. What in 4.9 disadvantages LOS connections? Patrick Leary Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! Correct, I was speaking about backhaul. I've questioned the usability of 4.9 GHz for PtMP because you have the propagation disadvantages of 5 GHz, but not the LOS advantage of normal installs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 7:23:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! If you are speaking about backhaul, I might tend to agree Mike. But if PMP, which is what 4.9GHz is primarily for (PTP is literally considered a secondary service in 4.9 is only supposedly approved for temp service), then 4.9 GHz is the only option for high capacity PMP for public safety outside of using public bands like 5 GHz. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:19 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I have a client that is eligible for 4.9 GHz (already have the license), but the cost\benefit ratio goes to licensed gear over 4.9 GHz. The price isn't much different, but hte throughput is vastly different and you get real protection. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! Hi Patrick, Let me also chime in Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good product, it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all. Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day today, since I read your Alvarion Promo / Post. Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT Airmax Products. 4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who are doing consulting work for Local / City Gov. May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 5.x gear is cheaper. Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold globally. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
Our new COMPACT is a true SDR radio using FPGAs. But that only allows for changes in protocols like from WiMAX to LTE. The actual RF side is another matter. Cell phones do not have one radio, but rather a dozen or so. You'll not find a SDR that tunes for TX/RX across a huge swath of spectrum. I'm not an engineer but much would have to change. As I understand it, the wider the RF of a single radio, the less clean its masks. I'd welcome smarter folks than I chiming in. Patrick Leary Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! Ahh, but that's THE magic of SDR Patrick! Everything will use one chip. Phone, baby monitor, licensed link and yes, WiFi. When the HARDWARE is totally standardized it'll be relatively cheap and you guys can really get funky with the things you make them do for us. Anything from Gino's request to a straight WiFi device will be possible. I've been waiting for SDRadios to come out since I first heard of them. I really got excited back in what, 2004 or 05 when Rick H. and I spoke at an SDRadio conference. Talking to the guys that are going to build this gear gave me goose bumps! Just imagine when the devices can detect others in the area, adjust power, bands and channels based on what's actually happening in the band. Without us having to touch them. Like plugging in a hair dryer. It won't matter if the voltage is 125 or 105, the device will be able to deal with what it's given. The best days for the WISP market are indeed ahead of us. *If we can effectively deal with video content/entertainment... (Anyone looked at the BW needs of 3d HD and the new super HD video formats? ug.)* laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold globally. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets. The way I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges: 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz. 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y down. Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base stations. It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure. Patrick Leary Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: a...@afmug.com, WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… Imaging having an AP
Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges: 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz. 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y down. Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base stations. It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure. Patrick Leary Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: a...@afmug.com, WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… So whos the taker? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold globally. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets. The way I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges: 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz. 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y down. Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base stations. It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure. Patrick Leary Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: a...@afmug.com, WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… So whos the taker? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold globally. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets. The way I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges: 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz. 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y down. Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base stations. It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure. Patrick Leary Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: a...@afmug.com, WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… So whos the taker? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(100). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence
Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!
Faisal, I'll reply offlist. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:52 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! Hi Patrick, Let me also chime in Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good product, it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all. Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day today, since I read your Alvarion Promo / Post. Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT Airmax Products. 4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who are doing consulting work for Local / City Gov. May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 5.x gear is cheaper. Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold globally. Patrick Leary m: 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets. The way I see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers! That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges: 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz. 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y down. Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base stations. It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure. Patrick Leary Alvarion m: 727.501.3735 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini
[WISPA] Bye, for now
Hello All, I wanted to drop a post to the community that effective this week, I will no longer be with Aperto Networks/Tranzeo. Should you have any commercial questions for Aperto, direct them to Jeff Piper at jpi...@apertonet.com. I'll be looking for new ways to contribute to the community, which continues to be a dynamic and interesting place even after my eleven years. With the new White Spaces, things may get even more interesting in the months and years ahead. I can be reach directly via my number and personal e-mail below and I look forward to hearing from folks and keeping my finger on the pulse on the wireless market as things shake out. Your friend, Patrick Patrick Leary 813.426.4230 mobile pleary...@gmail.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups
Just as an FYI folks, After seeing this thread I sent it to the Tranzeo guys and they taking a look at it. Please do, when you encounter issues such as these, report them to your vendor (regardless of brand). Getting a record, finding trends, etc. is the only way a vendor can uncover issues, then do root cause analysis and create fixes as necessary. I appreciate the value of seeking out list advice, but please remember to give your vendor a head's up too. Matt, et al, thanks for offering your advice. I passed those along as well. Cheers, Patrick Patrick Leary Aperto Networks (A Tranzeo Company) 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up. Newer firmware helps, but does not completely resolve this problem. I ran in to this very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network. It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul. Turn on the autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to make any more drives. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not rebooting after a change. However I would never use a Tranzeo for an AP. Mikrotik AP to Tranzeo = stability and control. More info please: Models, Firmware, AP connecting to. (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?) Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming back online if I make a change to them remotely. Usualy this is with AP's or backhaul links. I'd say about 30% of the time they will not come back after making a change. Is anyone else experiencing this? Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT? Mark -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Notes on Int'l Wireless Summit currently underway in Vienna
Lucky you!. Vienna is on my wanna go list and is consistently rated as a top 3 city worldwide (vancouver and Sydney usually hold the other two spaces). I will look forward to reading your posts Ben. Should be interesting what folks are doing outside our boundaries. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ben West Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 10:08 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Notes on Int'l Wireless Summit currently underway in Vienna I operate a small, experimental 2.4GHz mesh in St. Louis called WasabiNet, and I was happy I could attend the WISPA conference held here last month. In the course of developing WasabiNet, I received a small grant to travel to the Int'l Summit for Community Wireless currently underway in Vienna (wirelesssummit.org). Lots of neat people and ideas flitting about here. For those curious, I'm keeping daily notes of the conference here: https://sites.google.com/site/wasabinetwifi/Home/updates/wasabinetatwire lesssummitvienna https://sites.google.com/site/wasabinetwifi/Home/updates/wirelesssummitv iennaday2 -- Ben West westbyw...@gmail.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet
And it is a disaster and bait and switch scheme. Sure, don't discriminate on FIXED (don't be fooled by the term wireline), but choke the pipe so much that people will want to upgrade to premium services where content will be pay-per-view type. This about segmenting the Internet and to give carriers the keys to decide what content and application YOU want. What YOU want actually does not matter. The blogs are alive with outraged and panicked netroots people. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Hawthorne Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet It's Monday, here's what Google and Verizon were working on http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/google-verizon-propose-open-vs-pa id-internets/ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67 1617.html They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially blackmail content providers. Want your content to get through faster? Pay us. That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then. Patrick As an individual WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67 1617.html They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially blackmail content providers. Want your content to get through faster? Pay us. That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then. Patrick As an individual WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever
You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:02 AM To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable. Brian -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever
I agree Brian that this is potentially a huge positive for WISPs. People, if you have not declared yourself officially, you are shooting yourself in the foot (maybe the head). File your Form 477. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever Importance: High Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF to get it there will be much less. Brian -- Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation that would reform the Universal Service Fund. The Press Release, Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available at this link: http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1 579Itemid=122 I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon. A few highlights that the trade press has noted: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support - FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring support models - competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support - no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area - carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their service areas, or would lose support - all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution base - FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he wants to get the legislation passed this Fall. Please feel free to comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through Congress. Thanks. Stephen E. Coran Rini Coran, PC 1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, D.C. 20036 202.463.4310 - voice 202.669.3288 - cell 202.296.2014 - fax sco...@rinicoran.com mailto:sco...@rinicoran.com - e-mail www.rinicoran.com http://www.rinicoran.com/ www.telecommunicationslaw.com http://www.telecommunicationslaw.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] Note of support for the WISPA Regional Meeting
I just wanted to drop a note to the WISPA board and to members after reviewing the agenda in detail for the first time. Having done so, I believe this to be the best line up of speakers that has ever been assembled specifically for a WISP event. It is unusual these days to attract a large group of true and interesting luminaries, which in this case include Dr. Julie (Julius) Knapp, FCC OET Chief (and long time intensive WISP supporter); Michael Calabrese, the heart and soul of the New America Foundation and a true spectrum political and social voice; Doug Karl (those who don't know the histroy of the two Dougs will be in for a treat to meet Doug one); and the hard core and stubborn and very interesting wireless advocate Dewayne Hendricks. Find a way to get to this meeting people. It will be the best and we all need good news and to re-double our sense of community in 2010. Regards, Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile ple...@apertonet.com www.apertonet.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article
Depends on the bet you are making. WiMAX as a personal broadband mobility technology in name and ideal is not going to happen. That was made conclusive some time ago. There will be no device ecosystem, etc. However, LTE as a technology is very much WiMAX-like, even using many of the same components. So WiMAX as a TECHNOLOGY very much endurs. But the real and ultimate dream of future WiMAX was not about technology, but rather a mobile environment that was an open networks where consumers chose their devices, applications could be developed without negotiating with carriers, etc. -- sort of a network nirvana from a user standpoint. Problem is, the carriers don't want that and there is no new disruptive carrier to push the market in that direction (that dream died with the last 700 MHz auction). They make money off the applications on their networks, they select the devices on their networks (and the contracts you have to sign to use them). All that said, WiMAX as a fixed technology, with some light nomadicity, has a long life. It is an excellent technology for that need, delivering real QoS in multipoint wireless for the first time. Maybe that is all as it should be since WiMAX was first designed as a fixed technology. It was not the goal of WISPs or most operators for WiMAX vendors to try for the mobile path...it was the goal largely of Intel who was looking to create a multibillion dollar market it would control that would displace the legacy telecom vendors or force them to adopt the technology. So it was a case of technology makers trying to invent a market where the customer demand did not natively exist. And powerful forces were aligned against the effort from the start. So it was a longshot from the start and these two factors, in my view, ultimately doomed it as a mobile concept. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article I'm still getting my feet wet with the whole 4G thing and found this interesting http://www.maravedis-bwa.com/Issues/5.29/Readmore3.html (Sorry if it's old news to many...) Almost everyone I know is betting (and betting big!) on LTE. The only ones I know holding out on WiMAX 2 are niche markets in the federal space or ISPs in Africa. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz
MIMO, 2x version. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz Patrick, could you de-jargonize what 'second order diversity' means? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz I can give you a reasonable answer here Shane. With the use of a 2nd order diversity WiMAX product in 3.65 GHz, you should be able to expect slightly better range than 900 MHz, though that comes at a price much different than legacy proprietary systems in traditional UL bands. Without diversity (and some of our gear is included in this), the range will not be as good, though you can expect much higher data rates (up to almost 20 mbps net) and better than imagined QoS. Prices for non-diversity gear approach typical UL systems and can be less expensive in some cases (especially CPE). In the end, 3.65 GHz at this point still has a very low noise floor so all systems benefit from that. The efficiency of WiMAX 3.65 GHz systems mean you can expect very good throughput -- far higher than you wil ever get out of 900 MHz -- coupled with strong QoS. Should 3.65 GHz ever become heavily populated (I tend to be doubtful that will happen for years), then all gear will suffer less range with the higher noise floor. My general recommendation for people using 900 MHz who want to try 3.65 GHz (and in particular WiMAX versions of such) is to maintain the 900 MHz for best effort customers, while migrating commercial and/or higher needs/desires customers to 3.65 GHz if the range allows. Also use the WiMAX to add commercial customers you could not attract before with the best effort. Slow speed 900 connections. Take some time to familiarize yourself with WiMAX features, slowly and methodically, as this trips up many making the transition or adding WiMAX. Pay careful attention to EMSs if applicable. Swallow any strange twists of pride that some may have and get yourself trained on the system you plan to use (these are not synonymous in management to most products you have used before). Ignorance of the system can (and likely will) cost you time, money, frustration and maybe a customer or two until you get up to speed. Enjoy and good luck. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz I've had an increasing number of our customers asking almost on a daily bases what I am hearing about 3.65 GHz equipment. How does it compare to the 900 MHz? What is the NLOS capabilities of 3.65? To date our company has only tested two manufactures of 3.65 equipment and didn't have 900 MHz on the tower to compare results with. I would like to hear from all of you what your test results have been. How does 3.65 GHz directly compare to 900 MHz for distance and NLOS? Would also like to know what radio manufactures are working best for you. Thanks in advance for your input. Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas Sales Manager sh...@kpperformance.ca www.kpperformance.ca Direct line 780-702-9977 Fax 780-460-2786 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
...a little OT, but, after being party to all the free craziness of Earthlink, etc. just the title Free Public Wi-Fi makes me break out in hives... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway. I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the Free Public WiFi ssid on them. I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on the Zero Wireless Connections. I have made the stations so that they can only connect to a AP in the future. But the Free Public WiFi SSID still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off. I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing. Any one know how to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux) Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
That's hilarious. Genius is found in simplicity. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:10 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of Virus. The attempts to connect have dropped considerably. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the free craziness of Earthlink, etc. just the title Free Public Wi-Fi makes me break out in hives... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway. I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the Free Public WiFi ssid on them. I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on the Zero Wireless Connections. I have made the stations so that they can only connect to a AP in the future. But the Free Public WiFi SSID still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off. I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing. Any one know how to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux) Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto
Yes, the cat is out of the bag. We are very excited about this... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some nice products for WISPs. http://bit.ly/bX4HTc Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks Tranzeo strengthens its international market with complete broadband solution PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT /investing/stock/TZT?countrycode=ca 1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a premier manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication systems, announced today it has entered into a definitive merger agreement with Aperto Networks, Inc. (Aperto) and key Aperto shareholders. Under the terms of the merger agreement, and upon the satisfaction of closing conditions, Aperto will be merged into a newly incorporated subsidiary of Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving and continuing to be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo. The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes a complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, WiMax and LTE products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase orders is US$8.3 million. This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M. Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market leading complete solutions provider for major telecommunications operators while still supplying product to Tranzeo's existing wireless Internet service providers, said Jim Tocher, President and CEO of Tranzeo. With an established world-wide customer base and a pipeline of new customers now in trials, the benefits of today's announcement will start to bear fruit within a year. The future for Tranzeo has never looked better. The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless service providers, said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board and Managing Director of Quicksilver Ventures. We continue to be bullish on the broadband wireless market and now Tranzeo's position in the market. Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the combined technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able to provide. Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional product breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, support team, and channels will significantly benefit our customers on a global basis,said Bill Waters, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Support at Aperto Networks. I am looking forward to serving our existing customers, expanding our market and providing new solutions to our channel partners. This is very good news for TRG and the future of broadband services in Indonesia, said Gatot Tetuko, President of PT. Teknologi Riset Global (TRG), an affiliate company of leading telecommunication infrastructure provider the Indonesian Tower Group. With our joint development agreement with Tranzeo, this will give us access to additional advanced wireless technologies which we will incorporate into our broadband solutions. Tranzeo expects to complete the acquisition of Aperto through issuances of common shares to the stockholders of Aperto. Upon satisfaction of the required closing conditions, Tranzeo will issue common shares to the stockholders of Aperto based on a US$5 million base consideration amount, as adjusted for liabilities and cash of Aperto at closing. Subject to the satisfaction of certain additional earn-out conditions, Tranzeo may issue additional common shares to the stockholders of Aperto based on revenues attributable to certain products of Aperto that are sold by Tranzeo during a one-year earn-out period following the date of closing of the merger. These earn-out shares would be issued within 120 days of the expiry of the earn-out period. All share issuances will be based on the volume weighted average trading price of Tranzeo's common shares for the five trading days prior to this announcement of the Merger Agreement. The merger is anticipated to be completed in mid-April 2010. Completion of the merger will be subject to customary closing conditions, including the approval of the proposed merger by the Toronto Stock Exchange and by the stockholders of Aperto. Tranzeo stockholder approval is not required. Tranzeo has agreed to appoint a representative of Aperto to its board of directors on closing. The common shares proposed to be issued have not been registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, or any state securities laws, and may not be offered or sold in the United States without registration or an applicable exemption from applicable registration requirements in the US
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto
The past few years have been challenging for all Gino, especially for companies that leverage private investment. As you may know, we have had a working relationship with Tranzeo for some time; they manufacture our 3.65 GHz CPE using our code. Over time this relationship has deepened. I have been through many acquisitions back from the Alvarion days and have seen the market go through many. This one makes more sense than most, much more sense. We have no real overlap in terms of products and little technical overlap. Tranzeo is a respected public company and has state-of-the art production capabilities here in North America. It has an established WISP reputation for value. We have excellent core technology, engineering and field teams. We have about 2 dozen patents on QoS and link quality and our technology was central to creation of the 802.16 standard in the first place (long before there was a WiMAX). It just makes a lot of sense and the market will see that. Plus, the market has been a bit staid recently...it needed something to shake things up a bit. And finally, it maybe after all these years allows my old WISP friend Matt Larson to become a customer! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto Wow Was Aperto in financial trouble? This is like YDI buying Proxim Or Ubiquity buying Motorola Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com wrote: Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some nice products for WISPs. http://bit.ly/bX4HTc Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks Tranzeo strengthens its international market with complete broadband solution PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT /investing/stock/TZT?countrycode=ca  1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a premier manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication systems, announced today it has entered into a definitive merger agreement with Aperto Networks, Inc. (Aperto) and key Aperto shareholders. Under the terms of the merger agreement, and upon the satisfaction of closing conditions, Aperto will be merged into a newly incorporated subsidiary of Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving and continuing to be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo. The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes a complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, WiMax and LTE products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase orders is US $8.3 million. This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M. Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market leading complete solutions provider for major telecommunications operators while still supplying product to Tranzeo's existing wireless Internet service providers, said Jim Tocher, President and CEO of Tranzeo. With an established world-wide customer base and a pipeline of new customers now in trials, the benefits of today's announcement will start to bear fruit within a year. The future for Tranzeo has never looked better. The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless service providers, said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board and Managing Director of Quicksilver Ventures. We continue to be bullish on the broadband wireless market and now Tranzeo's position in the market. Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the combined technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able to provide. Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional product breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, support team, and channels will significantly benefit our customers on a global basis,said Bill Waters, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Support at Aperto Networks. I am looking forward to serving our existing customers, expanding our market and providing new solutions to our channel partners. This is very good news for TRG and the future of broadband services in Indonesia, said Gatot Tetuko, President of PT. Teknologi Riset Global (TRG), an affiliate company of leading telecommunication infrastructure provider the Indonesian Tower Group. With our joint development agreement with Tranzeo, this will give us access to additional advanced wireless technologies which we will incorporate into our broadband solutions. Tranzeo expects to complete the acquisition of Aperto through issuances of common shares to the stockholders of Aperto. Upon satisfaction of the required closing conditions, Tranzeo will issue common shares
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto
Cheers Stu. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto Well he isn't the only WISP friend that uses Tranzeo, come on now. Just waiting for the Motorola people to start slamming Aperto now. -- Original Message -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:14:17 -0700 The past few years have been challenging for all Gino, especially for companies that leverage private investment. As you may know, we have had a working relationship with Tranzeo for some time; they manufacture our 3.65 GHz CPE using our code. Over time this relationship has deepened. I have been through many acquisitions back from the Alvarion days and have seen the market go through many. This one makes more sense than most, much more sense. We have no real overlap in terms of products and little technical overlap. Tranzeo is a respected public company and has state-of-the art production capabilities here in North America. It has an established WISP reputation for value. We have excellent core technology, engineering and field teams. We have about 2 dozen patents on QoS and link quality and our technology was central to creation of the 802.16 standard in the first place (long before there was a WiMAX). It just makes a lot of sense and the market will see that. Plus, the market has been a bit staid recently...it needed something to shake things up a bit. And finally, it maybe after all these years allows my old WISP friend Matt Larson to become a customer! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto Wow Was Aperto in financial trouble? This is like YDI buying Proxim Or Ubiquity buying Motorola Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com wrote: Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some nice products for WISPs. http://bit.ly/bX4HTc Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks Tranzeo strengthens its international market with complete broadband solution PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT /investing/stock/TZT?countrycode=ca  1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a premier manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication systems, announced today it has entered into a definitive merger agreement with Aperto Networks, Inc. (Aperto) and key Aperto shareholders. Under the terms of the merger agreement, and upon the satisfaction of closing conditions, Aperto will be merged into a newly incorporated subsidiary of Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving and continuing to be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo. The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes a complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, WiMax and LTE products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase orders is US $8.3 million. This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M. Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market leading complete solutions provider for major telecommunications operators while still supplying product to Tranzeo's existing wireless Internet service providers, said Jim Tocher, President and CEO of Tranzeo. With an established world-wide customer base and a pipeline of new customers now in trials, the benefits of today's announcement will start to bear fruit within a year. The future for Tranzeo has never looked better. The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless service providers, said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board and Managing Director of Quicksilver Ventures. We continue to be bullish on the broadband wireless market and now Tranzeo's position in the market. Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the combined technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able to provide. Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional product breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, support team, and channels will significantly benefit our customers on a global basis,said Bill Waters, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Support at Aperto Networks. I am looking forward to serving our existing customers, expanding our market and providing new solutions to our channel partners. This is very good news
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL We've been selling a loss leader dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any competition. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: A very well known example.. Dell. Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the bait to bring them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the face of it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls about the $29.00 plan but ends up asking Do you have anything faster? (Big Smile) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL But what is your ARPU? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... have been for over 12 years now... :) Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Bob, We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is the reason I responded to Jayson's post: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if where I'm going wrong. -RickG On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesn't mean you can't have add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the cheap skate discussion before some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Don't hold your breath for 802.16m! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal anyone know the benefits of WiMax? I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there are a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than simple polling or tdma approaches. After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree more with Butch. The technology is incredibly good for outdoor networks. But besides better pricing (CPE, BS, spectrum), one thing I missed from current WiMAX technology was large channel size. Fixed WiMAX is usually available with 3.5 or 7 MHz channels; mobile WiMAX with 5 or 10 MHz channels. Wi-Fi already had non-standard 40 MHz with Turbo A/G and now has 40 MHz standard with 802.11n. With a small channel, even a high goodput/Hz couldn't go very far coping with increasing demands and we ended up installing unlicensed spectrum radios. My current mindset is that WiMAX is good for every application besides Internet access for computers. Surveillance, telephony and Internet access for mobile devices (including public safety and first responders) are all applications that WiMAX would edge out any other technology available on the market, as of Q1CY2010. 4G WiMAX (802.16m) might change that, I don't know. Will wait and see. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
No. We use 802.16d, which is optimized for fixed wireless, and 802.16d does not support MIMO. MIMO would be nice, but we do not think it is worth the extra cost in the WiMAX system. As it is we get excellent range. Last week one of our engineers was in a major CA city with a customer and pulled 16 mbps stable over 13 km in a 7 MHz channel. The capacity (link permitting) is up to 20 mbps and I have seen it at those ranges. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 so far. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? Matt --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but again we default to the but at what cost question. We believe this to be especially true in more rural deployments. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree penetration. Matt Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 so far. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? Matt --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Yes, we support PPPoE. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree penetration. Matt Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 so far. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
We do support PPPoE Michael. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal They don't support PPPoE, at least not in anything but the indoor unit which isn't available for 3.65 or 802.16D. I didn't think Aperto's gear which is 802.16d supports MIMO either, that's mostly an 802.16e spec unless they've come up with something proprietary. That's one of the reason's I'm down on Wimax, the radios are bare bones bridges for the most part, for the cost they are asking you think they could implement some niceties for fixed people, such as a robust management solution (not DHCP). Motorola is 802.16e and MIMO, as is Alvarion, WiNetworks and Airspan. Regards Michael Baird Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree penetration. Matt Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 so far. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? Matt --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. More complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but again we default to the but at what cost question. We believe this to be especially true in more rural deployments. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree penetration. Matt Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 so far. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? Matt --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
Myth. Total Myth. There is no interoperability in 3.65 GHz that allows someone to source .16e CPE from any number of Cheap asian CPEs. That is one of the most 180 degrees wrong myths. The fact is that every vendor, regardless of the WiMAX standard, sells its own CPE precisely because the interoperability hype is total bull. What has happened is that unknowledgable people have confused the WiMAX Forum's efforts re interoperability in 2.5 GHz (limited as even that is) with it being somehow relative to other frequencies like quasi-licensed 3.65 GHz. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive alternatives and make them good products. The equivalent in WiMAX is PureWave Networks; their base station can do MIMO and beamforming and doesn't require an ASN-GW, which was the higher CAPEX for a small 802.16e deployment until they came along. Being 16e means you can have 10 MHz channels (best there is in the WiMAX world before 20 MHz 16m), MIMO, beamforming and can buy all those cheap asian CPEs instead of the vendor lock-in that happens in 16d. http://www.purewavenetworks.com Rubens On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: 802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. More complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but again we default to the but at what cost question. We believe this to be especially true in more rural deployments. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree penetration. Matt Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 so far. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi integrated (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same price. Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? Matt --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
