Re: [WISPA] Measuring broadband shouldnt be this ha rd.
The champions of endlessly more free labor for all, for the glorification of politicians strike again... On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:06:12 -0500, Scottie Arnett wrote http://telephonyonline.com/commentary/measuring-broadband-not-hard-1012/ If everyone HAD to report 477, and enforced, would it help? I know the enforced part is comical...but what if it wasn't? Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
The difference between them, as per a conversation on the support forum, is actually the chipset in use in the device. Bullet 2's and Nano's apparently simply lack the hardware capability. On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:42:54 -0700, Mark Nash wrote It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression fast frames, some don't. Is this accurate? Any success stories using the WRT firmware on these products? It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products. This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products in a big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
I, too, run Star-OS, and the bullet 2's are approximately 50% of the throughput of a staros based cpe when in 11b mode. Star-OS has other helpful things like managed mode, and the signal level settings. I use bullet 2's only when I absolutely have to, due to this. Star-OS ap to cpe will endure high levels of interference and multipath, without packet loss, but not a bullet. On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:32:28 -0400, RickG wrote Mark, It appears that is correct. I also run StarOS AP's. Interesting though, I have not seen any performance differences between the units with ff comp and those that dont support it. I wonder if its just something you cant view? -RickG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: According to Ubiquiti, these DO support ff comp: Nanostation 5 Nanostation Loco 5 Bullet 2 HP Picostation 2 HP All powerstations All others do not, including: Nanostation 2 Nanostation Loco 2 Bullet 2 (non-HP...WTF???) Bullet5 Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG I know that with DDWRT, you have to pay for the license and you get a key. Not sure about OpenWRT. I don't recall any current UBNT I have used that did not support ff and comp. I have used most, except for the newest that just came out. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression fast frames, some don't. Is this accurate? Any success stories using the WRT firmware on these products? It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products. This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products in a big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] does anyone have Alix 1D boards?
I am desperately in need of finding a couple of ALIX 1D boards. These are the mini itx form factor, with 1 pci slot, and a 12V power supply onboard. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] stimulus money for wind farms to build wireless
I am currently supplying internet to a couple wind farm construction projects. These projects have no use for wireless otherwise, since they wish to bury fiber in the same routes as the power cabling. The management system will be agreggated in a small hut and then they want fiber to that point, and if not fiber, solid copper to the hut from the outside world. I'm not sure that this applies to all wind farm companies.This one seems to throw money far and wide with little regard for costs, and then hired a management company to squeeze the contractors. In other words, they're generous with the locals, but will do near anything to cheat the contractors. Seems counterproductive, but, hey, that's just the contractor's word on the topic. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] stimulus money for wind farms to build wireless I recently met someone who told me that wind farm projects are awesome wireless opportunities, particularly now that they're becoming eligible for stimulus money. Those I've been talking to from the wind farms say that they're looking for something fast, reliable, and cheaper than fiber, particularly something that will support VoIP for technicians in the field. Is this what others in the WISP market are seeing? (This is a vertical that I know very little about, but I thought I'd share it with others here who might be looking for new business. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution
I use a something called ASSP, which is Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy. Not foolproof, completely, but highly configurable, the system learns from the spam reports sent to it reasonably well, and cuts our spam down by at least 95-98%. Oh, and it's free. I run it on spare hardware I had lying around. Doesn't seem to be CPU intensive, and not all that hard to get working. I actually have my email hosted elsewhere (outsourcd) but by using firewall rules and DNS entries, all incoming and most outgoing mail runs through it. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution 2009/7/13 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com: 2009/7/13 Don Grossman d...@willitsonline.com: It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution. Currently we are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be resolved. Barracuda is helpful but like to point at other things like DNS and unrelated stuff. In the end they log into the box after wasting time so something to kick the box and we are good for an undetermined amount of time. The Barracuda gives us a few features that we like such as an in house box that we are not paying per email address or domain. Also the per user configurability is great for letting users independently control their white and blacklists. In a nutshell what products should we look at that offer us similar features as the Barracuda box. You can roll your own with Postfix and a few addons. After looking at the configuration options for a lot of the Postfix addons, you come to the realization that with a few hours of work, you can have all of the software tools used by the Barracuda internally, and have root access to the box to fix it yourself when it goes south, instead of waiting on them. You can also throw in things like redundant hard drives, and redundant power. How a company can market a $3k+ device with a single IDE drive in good conscience is beyond me. I can't find the link right now, but there is a package that provides users with an accessible, configurable quarantine, just like the Barracuda. I'll post the link as soon as it turns up. http://www.maiamailguard.com/maia/wiki http://mailgraph.schweikert.ch/ http://www.arschkrebs.de/postfix/queuegraph/ http://www.logreport.org/ http://pfqueue.sourceforge.net/ http://www.policyd.org/tiki-index.php WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3.65ghz antennas
What are people using for 3.65ghz antennas? I'm seeing rather poor performance from my Arc Wireless 18db panels.The signal vs distance isn't coming out anywhere close to right. That is the specified antenna type and gain for the certification, but the RSSI is far weaker than it should be. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz antennas
I'm using the ubnt cards and the arc wireless panels that mount directly to the genII enclosure. I don't recall the precise amount off, but if memory serves it is about 5 or 6 db, and I've been to both ends and aimed, reaimed, etc. All the stuff, including piggy's are new... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz antennas Hi, I have about 10 of the ARC wireless 3.65ghz 18db panels installed. All of them are within the path calcs (and the last point to point link was actually 6db better than the path calc). What are the specs of the radio card, distance, etc.? Travis Microserv rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: What are people using for 3.65ghz antennas? I'm seeing rather poor performance from my Arc Wireless 18db panels. The signal vs distance isn't coming out anywhere close to right. That is the specified antenna type and gain for the certification, but the RSSI is far weaker than it should be. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff
One of the things I've done in the spam war is to use something called ASSP, which is just Anti Spam SMTP Proxy. It does a passable job of prevening inbound spam, and it prevents anyone not on my network from sending mail out through my server, via firewall rules put on the server. You can use a similar setup to have your customer's emails filtered outbound through something like this.It can also be placed on alternate ports and using firewall rules, prevent any cust omer from sending mail directly out. I haven't needed to do that, at least not yet. ASSP, when run on the mail server machine itself, can also act as an authentication and filtering of outbound emails. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff Hi All, What are you guys doing for email these days? I LOVE my setup for it's reliability, ease of use etc. Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though. We don't catch things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed. This has now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years. My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to limit cc's to 25 per message. We did that once before and my phone rang off the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends. The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to 40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply address. So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not even mine (faked info). sigh We use Courier MTA. My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day per user. And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of messages received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all those sending. Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from the server admins. Suggestions? laters, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crazy Weather
I thought I was alone... I would not have believed that I could have a customer who's had a computer for a long time, and used them at work, and when I asked if she could reboot it, she had no idea what I meant. We finally found that her putting her MAC into sleep mode resulted in no connection when it woke up.No idea why. She now shuts it down at night. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crazy Weather yeesh... I had a guy call today. Asked him to reboot his computer. He said that he did. When we asked him are you sure you rebooted your computer, he asked how to I do that?. This business would be great if it weren't for the customers, sometimes. ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] Crazy Weather This isn't weather related, but we had an interesting tech call the other day. The customer said he had Dark Internet, the technician, curious to why he called it Dark Internet asked what he meant. He said he only has Internet when it is dark out. Well, this call was made during the day and obviously his Internet was not working at the time. The technician could not see the client radio from the AP so he had him check the power supply and POE. The customer said it was plugged into the wall but there was no light on the POE. While troubleshooting, the customer said I can't see what I am doing, I need to turn on the lights. Miraculously, when he turned on the light switch, the POE light came on and his Internet service started working again. Imagine that! Rick Harnish From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:27 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Crazy Weather This has been the wettest spring in memory here west of Chicago. Some of the farmers still have not been able to work their fields because they are too wet. That makes them over a month late to plant, it's getting to where it will be too late to plant anything in those fields. Not the usual crops of field or soybeans. They are starting to talk sweet corn or limas. I guess they could always plant hay. Our biggest business customer is a fertilizer dealer and they don't know day to day what things will be like, if it rains the farmers don't spread fertilizer, if it is dry for a couple days then they can't handle all the orders. They do all the custom fertilizer mixing via VPN to a central application server. I was just out to a location where their PIX501 stopped talking to the Canopy SM, I finally had to put a switch inbetween. Not a negotiation problem, just plain strange. Unfortunately lightning and tornados are not limited to spring. The last few years we have been hit in June/July, even a really bad lightning storm at Christmas time. We have had tornados and microbursts that have picked up silos and dropped them on the opposite side of a barn. The storm a couple days ago I had one customer router blow, and one old Tranzeo radio. I also had a customer call today because they went to Florida for the month of March, they have been back since the beginning of April, and their Internet has not worked since then. I actually left a phone message for them in April, they are an older couple anb honestly I was worried they had died or something. Oddly, another Tranzeo customer. All they had to do was power cycle the radio. But waiting 2.5 months before calling? - Original Message - From: Steve D mailto:bigd...@gmail.com To: Motorola Canopy mailto:motor...@wispa.org User Group Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Crazy Weather As I was reading this very thread, the first big boom of thunder of the year shook my office! -Steve D On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com wrote: That sounds like an average afternoon here in Central Florida. We dread the season. Fortunately today has been rather calm..so far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida#Climate Florida's nickname is the Sunshine State, but severe weather is a common occurrence in the state. Central Florida is known as the lightning capital of the United States, as it experiences more lightning strikes than anywhere else in the country. L Dylan From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Doug Clark Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:52 PM To: Motorola
Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE
I'm a little under that, not by any great amount. Mine's star-os, ubiqiti radios, and small yagi.We also have labor on top of our cash price, but last I checked, we were about 265 for 900 cpe. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has no reasonable cost CPE. Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ. Just curious as to why? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 900 PtP
How could you? They had no redeeming qualities when new :) Of course, there's really nothing to say about a Poulan or Echo, either, other than they look cute in catalogs :) BTW, what's the farthest distance any of you have gotten through forest with 900mhz? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 900 PtP I like my 30 year old Johnsred... Marlon K. Schafer wrote: LOL I don't have a Stihl. I have a Pulan and an Echo though! hehehehe It would sure be nice to be able to do that! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding me up :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...
Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no breaks, no corrosion, nothing. And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had burnt themselves up, as well. A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there. All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof damage. Fields migrated across roads. RV's tipped over. parked Semis tipped over. metal buildings exploded. Wind velocities at the normal stations set records. individual weather stations recorded high hurricane velocities. But our tower didn't bend or even show damage. But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the advice of the maker of the generator. They insisted that wind loading was within 1% of the original. So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty). I love a mystery.NOT. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report
I took a little time to scan the report, and have a couple of observations... 1. The FCC is expending great efforts at marginally effective ideas. 2. A lot of attention was paid to middle mile and rural deployments, but missed the largest single issue, at least as it applies out west - that public land is inaccessible. Every mountain in rural Oregon, the places you'd need to put repeaters or infrastructure to create that cost effective transport, is publicly owned, and both state and federal are financially and otherwise inaccessible. Much was made of travel concerns, and while valid, they're not half the obstruction that regulations, cost, and flat out prohibitions are.We could get there on 4 wheelers, horses, or snowmobiles if need be. What we can't do, is use the locations needed. I know this extremely well, as I've been stymied for 2 years trying to reach a major chunk of unserved population. 3. The obstructions that individual WISP's face, at least, probably vary as much as there are individual WISP's, or at least WISP's attempting to serve each specific market.Much of the efforts made these days on behalf of WISP's seem to target a narrow demographic, the large metropolitan model. This works at cross purposes, or at least, without effect, at promoting rural broadband development. I dunno about you, but after reading the document for a relatively short period of time, my eyes tend to glaze over and attention wanders. Is it ADD or these kinds of things just... boring? :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Ron Harden rhar...@voxcorp.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report FYI...Ron -Original Message- From: Karen Reidy [mailto:kre...@comptel.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:36 PM To: Karen Reidy Subject: FCC Rural Broadband report Dear Members: Below is the link to the FCC's Rural Broadband Strategy Report that was released today. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-291012A1.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors
HHFFF... You mean this magic secret society decoder ring is worthless? I dunno if I've been wiser or dumber, but anyone who requires me to give them every detail about me before they'll tell me about their product has NEVER had the chance to sell it to me. I get some of the same stuff you apparently get, and have nearly the same reaction. If you want me to invest lots of my time on decisions I already know how to make, then you're just out of luck. I second your notion. Vendors: Tell me what it does. Tell me what it costs. Tell me how it does it. And then tell me why I'd want to buy from you rather than the other guy. Be direct, concise, accurate. Don't waste my time. I'll do my best to not waste yours. Deal? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] clues for vendors Names have been changed to protect the ignorant. I want to vent for a minute on a marketing practice with some wireless equipment vendors that really just doesn't work for me, or maybe I just don't get it. I get emails all the time inviting me to be a SuperAirPlusExtremeMax Partner from one vendor or another. Apparently, without becoming a Partner I cannot really learn useful information about their products (like price). I can read through their marketing fluff on their web site, and can sometimes download spec sheets on the products (some require partnership registration to even do this). In order to become a partner I usually have to sit through a webinar to have more marketing fluff pushed at me. Just give me the meat. I pretty much know what I can get Canopy, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Trango, etc. for. I can freely read forums on many of these more open vendor sites as I investigate where I want to invest. I don't need a partnership commitment and a marketing guy to push his spiffed products on me. I can ask for information if I need it, and be enticed into partnership programs that offer me better discounts after I narrow my choices down. To make matters worse, on one particular site, I have signed up at least twice to be a partner and still have no clue why I would choose that company as a vendor vs another. I got one call from a marketing guy ( who no longer works there ) who never returned later emails or phone calls with specific questions about the products. Guess I wasn't worthy of their time or partnership. Just open up the information, answer our questions publicly, and let us scrutinize them and compare stories. I'll never buy your products otherwise. I don't care to be part of a secret society just to get the information I need to make sound business decisions. Am I alone? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...
No, nothing like that. The generator had purely electrical failure, and was stuck in the brake mode, where the shaft only spins at perhaps 15 rpm, no matter the wind. I'd like to think I'm thorough, and yet I have found no reason for the tower failure.We're putting it back up about 60% stronger. Well, when it gets back, that is. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure... Was the generator shaft seized? Variable pitch blades locked at the shallowest position? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no breaks, no corrosion, nothing. And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had burnt themselves up, as well. A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there. All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof damage. Fields migrated across roads. RV's tipped over. parked Semis tipped over. metal buildings exploded. Wind velocities at the normal stations set records. individual weather stations recorded high hurricane velocities. But our tower didn't bend or even show damage. But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the advice of the maker of the generator. They insisted that wind loading was within 1% of the original. So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty). I love a mystery.NOT. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...
But the generator is and always has been stalled during wind storms. Nothing's changed, in that regard. This is why we're mystified. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure... Ah. Was the generator shaft spinning freely during the last two windstorms? A stalled (or nearly stalled ~ 15 RPM) rotor will present a much higher wind load to the tower than a freewheeling one will... Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: No, nothing like that. The generator had purely electrical failure, and was stuck in the brake mode, where the shaft only spins at perhaps 15 rpm, no matter the wind. I'd like to think I'm thorough, and yet I have found no reason for the tower failure.We're putting it back up about 60% stronger. Well, when it gets back, that is. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure... Was the generator shaft seized? Variable pitch blades locked at the shallowest position? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no breaks, no corrosion, nothing. And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had burnt themselves up, as well. A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there. All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof damage. Fields migrated across roads. RV's tipped over. parked Semis tipped over. metal buildings exploded. Wind velocities at the normal stations set records. individual weather stations recorded high hurricane velocities. But our tower didn't bend or even show damage. But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the advice of the maker of the generator. They insisted that wind loading was within 1% of the original. So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty). I love a mystery.NOT. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
Charles, you really should investigate the business sizes out there. Without doing any research today, I'd say there were more one man band businesses out there than any other type, unless you're going to lump a lot of types together, like all the 2-100 employee businesses. And there's a lot of 2-10 people businesses, as well. How does a one man band work? Hard. And he often serves people who are engaged in similar enterprise. It isn't suited to all, nor even a majority of people, the small sector ( 1 - 10 people ) is probably the most resilient and dynamic of all business models out there. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability Hi Rick, I applaud your effort -- I totally emphasize and understand your perspective, as 8 years ago, I was a one man shop working out of my college dorm room trying to get a business started There is an unfortunate reality that the one-man band is not a sustainable long-term operation -- for example, how will you ever go on a vacation? Or spend quality time with the wife without the ever-present threat / fear that lightening may strike...somewhere WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps
How about we tell them that it is absolutely none of their freaking business... Politely, of course. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should officially comment on this bill. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
Answers in-line. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability With all the hype being generated by the stimulus bill, we have been approached by a multitude of third party financial organizations that have a renewed interest in potentially financing rural broadband...now, specifically, for WISPs, in the past, equipment leasing has been a very popular option for financing, but in looking at our numbers over the past year, I've noticed a marked decline in the amount of leasing that we do - that said, I have the following questions for the listserv about financing Assuming that WISPs are still need to buy equipment... 1. Are you able to just purchase equipment out of cash-flow organically generated from operations Other than originally starting with our own personal seed money, that's what we've done. 2. Have you gone to more traditional forms of money (e.g., bank / SBA / RUS loans)? I could not qualify for any of them. 3. Are you doing more vendor leasing programs (e.g., Motorola 3% financing deal) Never sought any. 4. Have you not been able to borrow money due to the credit crunch (e.g., not deploying as aggressively) My corporation hasn't ever been able to obtain hard money credit.In fact, the credit crunch start last Fall raised my 30+ day past due amount from a piddly $1200 to at one time to almost $13,000 in just four months. That almost put us under, and we're still barely scraping by until our seasonally variable cash flow revives come August, with still several thousand on the books that's very slowly getting chipped away at. 5. Are you holding off on deployments because of the economy No, we're holding off due to lack of cash flow. We have plenty of people waiting for us to build infrastructure out to them. 6. Have you gone to Agility...cough Louie the loanshark =) After much discussion, being some of the first people Agility contacted, we have not done any business with them. In my estimation, they wanted control over our business and day to day decisions, which we concluded was both unwarranted and unwise. Or any other thoughts / comments on this topic? WISP equipment is not really a commodity in that there is almost no market for it outside of the maker-vendor relationship. Other than Ebay, and a couple of people who attempt to do it piecemeal, there is no market which stabilizes the value of used equipment, making them a commodity you can borrow against. Perhaps it would be more useful, if vendors had the ability to get capital and create stable working and short term credit relationships with their buyers, kind of like the used car market. -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
wow, this argument AGAIN? Let's look at this closely...UBNT certified the XR3 - 3.7 as a standalone module, and the FCC accepts their certification NO MATTER WHAT OS OR DRIVERS CONTROL IT because it has been proven to not radiate outside of the designated frequencies.I hold the license to prove it. It did not require their board, or ANYONE's specific board to be licensed. They have a specified antenna that's certified with the XR3 card.The FCC actually issues licenses to anyone to use the card with any BOARD that is already fcc accepted. This discussion was had a while back, when the FCC announced that MODULAR CERTIFICATION WAS NOW ACCEPTABLE. Your simple requirement is to sticker whatever you build with the following notice: This device contains ( fcc cert number for any modular approved radio).This contravenes MUCH of what was said previous to that point, and manufacturers such as Compex and UBNT have exploited it wholesale. Valemount got their own cert number for Lucaya branded equipment, and they merely filed that xxx contains previously certified and it isn't changed, blah blah, and got their own cert number WITH NO LAB TESTING WHATSOEVER. A little research at the FCC website will confirm that they merely used compex's own cert to get their own.I suspect it cost them nothing but whatever filing fees the FCC may or may not have. To better that, Compex actually certified their boards and radios with NO enclosure, and it states in the grant that no shielding is required to meet emissions limits, therefore the enclosure is irrelevant to compliance. Thus the customer can place ANY minipci or full board+minipci into any enclosure and it strictly is compliant, so long as the stated antenna is used. Now, please note, that Compex and UBNT sticker t heir products with the modular FCC approval. Last time I saw a picture of a MT R52 it did NOT have such a sticker and it appears to not be modular certified, but rather system certified.Thus, Mikrotik can choose to extend their cert to you... or not. as they see fit. UBNT and Compex literally gave it away by modular cert and printing the device with all the required information. This means you can use valemount's boards and the radios in your own enclosure using the Compex modular approval ( contains blah blah stickered on the outside) or you can use it in Valemount's box w/their number on it. Now, I'm not professing to be a lawyer or FCC expert. I'm merely observing what they have done and how it has been widely implemented. Want to argue with it? Don't argue with me, argue with the FCC who has done it with eyes wide open. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Lets not forget the rules may not be the same depending on what type certification one is looking for. If Mikrotik got a part B certification for the hardware board, and MT makes the hardware board, its irrelevent where an end user buys the board, Mikrotik is responsible for the certification that they had gotten for their hardware. However, for wireless system certifications (forget technical name of type) its a different story. The software, hardware, and RF have to all get certified togeather. And it was clear their had to be a responisble party aka the manufacturer. So certifying a combination yourself would make yourself the manufacturer. Can one be, without any control of the software code writing? I would think an authroized distributor would gain Mikrotik's endorsement for gaining such support. But does the FCC require it or allow it, considering intelectual property considerations? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs dmburg...@linktechs.net To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build and certify them. If you build them, they won't be certified. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Scott Carullo wrote: I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. Example - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I can Do
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Nonsense, Matt. Read the grant yourself. The grant is MODULAR certification, meaning you can use the module in any way you choose, so long as you lable the device as containing blah blah and comply with the antenna rules. This is very explicitly true. I believe that UBNT has written correspondence from the FCC on this. I know someone has, I've seen it and read it. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC On May 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Ok... so back to original dilemma... I take a XR5, the precise antenna they certified with this radio card, a RB411 and hook it all up and use it myself within FCC RF guidelines. Criminal or law abiding citizen... Neither, but you would be in violation of the FCC regulations and be subject to civil penalties. Think about this like tax law. Imagine someone makes a great case about how you can avoid taxes legally by doing a certain thing. You may believe the person and the person's reasons may seem perfectly logical. However, would it be smart to follow them? Probably not without signoff from a CPA and/or tax attorney. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things
You don't have to these days. Those ads are being attached to more and more NOT PORNO sites. One of my favorite car sites has gone to side banners, there's several of them, and all are advertising female something or other :( insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things Gary, Why are you looking at those ads? :) On 5/8/09, Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net wrote: Its your IP address. The same way the Porno ads show you all those fantastic looking women in Naples Idaho. Hell I have lived here 35 years and if even one of them really lived here I would have hit on them long ago!!! It is not hard to reverse lookup in-addr.arpa records or cross reference the swip database. Big brother is watching, if these spammers can do this think what the Federales can do. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: OK, this seems simple enough. Type in www.aaa.com and go to the triple A site right? Nope, it somehow knows that I'm in zip code 99159 and sends me, automatically to www.aaawa.com! How in the world is a web site finding this info in my machine? Where the heck is it stored? How do I make it stop? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things
I just realized you said Naples.I wasn't aware that there was actually any women that lived there. Ok, change that to people. LOL! JUST KIDDING! Ok, so I used to live in an less populated area... Up the Yaak River Road... 36 miles from Highway 2 to my driveway... Of course, Google maps actually SHOWS Yaak on it, but back then, even the state highway maps didn't :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things Its your IP address. The same way the Porno ads show you all those fantastic looking women in Naples Idaho. Hell I have lived here 35 years and if even one of them really lived here I would have hit on them long ago!!! It is not hard to reverse lookup in-addr.arpa records or cross reference the swip database. Big brother is watching, if these spammers can do this think what the Federales can do. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: OK, this seems simple enough. Type in www.aaa.com and go to the triple A site right? Nope, it somehow knows that I'm in zip code 99159 and sends me, automatically to www.aaawa.com! How in the world is a web site finding this info in my machine? Where the heck is it stored? How do I make it stop? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things
LOL @ logger boots. Find me ANYONE wearing a pair of those old spiked boots... Yeah, I know the area. Lived just across the ID-MT border for a few years. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things The women who live here wear logger boots. Kinda sexy if you ask me! Funny thing is when I see the same ad from my office there is the same girls only now they live in Sandpoint. No wonder I never met them, they are always on the highway moving from town to town... Targeted advertising is the future of the Internet. Point the guy with the PDA cellphone to your customers Coffee shop right around the corner. Add a picture of the great looking waitress and suddenly coffee is necessary! Hot Joe served by Hot Jolene and he is there! rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I just realized you said Naples.I wasn't aware that there was actually any women that lived there. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs
I've had moderate success just making a personal visit to see how the people are doing. If they're out of a job and no income, we cut the bandwidth way down and suspend billing for a while. If internet can help them get a job, then it's in our interest to do this. Generally, we have pretty good success with a personal visit. I'm not confrontational, but explain that we really do expect to be paid and the customer's generally pretty good at paying when they see it as a matter of personal importance. Other than that, we've not found that notes, or emails works well. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment on. It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months. Do you just cut your losses and move on or what do you do? I'm contemplating small claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in fees per person. We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked. We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it never happened. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?
We've not had any losses like this, but we ask the customer to claim the equipment on insurance, in case of catastrophic loss, and we'll invoice them for that equipment to claim from the insurance. As far as the contract for the service goes, we would never dream of trying to force payment on that. We'll do anything we can to help out the customer, including temporary service to somewhere else, etc, to help them get back on their feet. Goodwill can be bought for far less than the cash you might lose, and it generally has gotten us referrals for new customers. Us going the extra mile for a leaving customer has gotten us multiple customers in return. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation? We have a business customer that is about six months into their one year agreement. Yesterday they had a fire that gutted their entire building, including their rooftop with our equipment. The customer may or may not go back into business and if they do they may or may not be in our service area. We own our equipment, so it is not the customers. The insurance adjusters will be there tomorrow to value the damage. Am I owed the balance of the contract? Am I owed the cost of my equipment? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO http://stlbroadband.com/ StLouisBroadband.com http://missouriruralwireless.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Mimo in OEM systems
This came up in the other forums, and the general consensus is that the drivers, even from the makers of the chipsets, are sorely weak. There's not good support even from UBNT, who sells them.MT and Star-OS do not and will not have drivers for some time. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor Mimo in OEM systems Looks like the new MIMO (a,g,n) SR71-A Ubiquiti card is now shipping for around $130. Anyone use it yet for Mikrotik or StarOS ? Any advice for Antenna placement, to maximize MIMO benefits. Seems like it might be a no-brainer to have one of these in every AP soon. (A step up from just diversity) Tom DeReggi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...
In case you didn't read the first article... here's a bit... The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 introduced in the Senate would allow the president to shut down private Internet networks. The legislation also calls for the government to have the authority to demand security data from private networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule or policy restricting such access. The headlines were all about creating a national cyber-security czar reporting directly to the president, but the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 introduced April 1 in the U.S. Senate would also give the president unprecedented authority over private-sector Internet services, applications and software. According to the bill's language, the president would have broad authority to designate various private networks as a critical infrastructure system or network and, with no other review, may declare a cyber-security emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from the designated the private-sector system or network. The 51-page bill does not define what private sector networks would be considered critical to the nation's security, but the Center for Democracy and Technology fears it could include communications networks in addition to the more traditional security concerns over the financial and transportation networks and the electrical grid. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming... On 4/6/2009 8:23 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: they'll also be checking instant verification on Did you pass Emissions? Out here in California, the state of the bazaar, it's already happened. Not everywhere, but like sobriety checks, at random places. They call it Smog Check II or something like that. I've driven through a couple of them. They put gas analyzers on tripods at the on-ramps to the freeways. As you drive through, it analyzes your emissions and shoots a pic of your license plate if you're out of spec. Swell. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...
This one's just as nuts... from e-week...: Proposed legislation would put authority over the security of government and private networks in the hands of officials reporting to the President. President Obama promised in his campaign to take cybersecurity seriously and he appears to be following up on that promise. Legislation just introduced in the Senate, written with White House input according to the Washington Post, would federalize the business of computer security. It would give White House officials the power to shut off private networks, decide what products could be used for security and set rules for who could practice computer security. The legislation is actually in two bills, S.773 and S.778. The titles of the bills are: S.773A bill to ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United States and with its global trading partners through secure cyber communications, to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to improve and maintain effective cybersecurity defenses against disruption, and for other purposes. and S.778A bill to establish, within the Executive Office of the President, the Office of National Cybersecurity Advisor. I couldn't find the actual text of the legislation yet, but there is a short PDF describing it in press release language. Of course such documents are no substitute for examining the actual text. +++ Now, what exactly it means is unclear, but to federalize computer security is just one more means of demanding a backdoor into your network, computers, and systems by and to the feds. Clinton wanted it, and people got up in arms. This has gotten zero press. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth?
There's a bunch of that stuff up here in Eastern Oregon and Southeast Washington, too. I have no idea what's still active and what's not. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: Motorola Canopy List motor...@wispa.org; memb...@wispa.org; WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth? I've been working on a consolidated map of the fiber available around the country and was thinking about who would have infrastructure that would be worth showing. As I was thinking it occurred to me that back in the day fiber did not exist, Ma Bell did everything on microwave. So I dug around the internet and found some interesting old maps. One is the old ATT long lines microwave network and the other is the old Western Union network. If a few WISP's wanted to get together and start rebuilding these paths from their areas back to a big city, the towers are mostly still in place and some of them still have the dishes. We know the paths exist (many of them were 6 GHz) and they are well documented for the original designs on the net. American Tower owns many of the olds sites now so it should be easy to lease the space. The paths all terminate in major telecom hubs so it should be easy to get bandwidth. Just thought I would put these out there as food for thought for the WISP's who are trying to get a lot of bandwidth cheap in rural markets. Maybe these old networks pass through your area.. Have fun! Thank You, Brian Webster WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Big Brother's coming...
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-Security-Powers-504520/ Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention. All this whining and moaning about how Bush violated our rights... Anyway... this is reason for concern for all of us. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...
Another interesting article in the same theme... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/The-Proposed-Federalization-of-the-Computer-Security-Field-297694/ SSDD... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-Security-Powers-504520/ Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention. All this whining and moaning about how Bush violated our rights... Anyway... this is reason for concern for all of us. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I think you may be missing a couple of variables in the multivariable equation that determines the actual throughput a client can achieve in a given time slice. When comparing access systems one must understand the differences between the capabilities provided by the systems and their result on these variables. You harp on throughput when the reality is that ISPs don't sell throughput; they sell capacity. The Hmmm... Where are we getting lost? Why can't we just take what is said at face value, for as simple as it was said? I don't really know about the other users on the list, but I, for one, DO understand the concepts of how to share a fixed data stream and why the 802.11 mac is so poorly suited for ISP use. Mike Hammett and I both are watching huge amounts of investment being poured into WIMAX equipment that's designed to meet last year's bandwidth model and asking the same question.When are the WIMAX folks going to realize that we do not want to spread 18 mbit across 100 customers, we want to spread 36mbit across 100 customers. This is because the consumption per customer continues to climb, and the oversubscription levels we USED to use for planning are headed to be far inadequate.It USED to be that the 6mbit from an 802.11b access point was enough during the peak use hours to keep 27 people happy - because nothing they did was latency and bandwidth sensitive. So the page took 1 second longer, nobody cared.Now, 12 of those 27 people want to watch a 1 to 3mbit HDTV stream, while the others do stuff. And no, putting up an AP to serve 100 people with 18 mbit isn't the answer. We need that AP to work just as gracefully as it does, but instead of using 7 mhz, it uses 21, and will be adequate for the day when 25% of our clients watch TV over IP, talk on the phone, AND play games and surf... While the rest let the email run 24/7 and listen to streaming music. So, while you're arguing semantics here, both Mike and I are looking at this saying... Why invest heavily in equipment that is barely adequate for present?My whole solar powered sites do not cost $2000 and that includes the batteries and solar panels and radios, too. Currently, we're still looking at putting in nothing but 5 ghz micropops because they can serve 10-20 people with adequate bandwidth for all, even in the apparent future. throughput of any given flow is variable based on a variety variables including RTT and congestion. Most applications that end users care about are TCP based, which means TCP's congestion algorithm comes into play most often. One important aspect of a TCP flow is slow start, which causes flows initially to have throughput less than the capacity of the transport layer. Considering that much of real world traffic never has time to get up to full speed, the capacity is rarely full utilized. However, when multiple flows operate on the same access layer at the same time all slow starting you are able get more efficient use of your capacity. Unfortunately, most end users simply do not have enough flows operating at the same time lasting long enough to fully utilize all of their capacity. The unused capacity is what allows for oversubscription. In other words, by sharing the capacity across a large enough number of end users you can get more efficient utilization of the overall available capacity. Now the above may be nothing new to most of us, but how easily we forget that we sell capacity and leverage our client's inability to use all of that capacity because their throughput rarely achieves what is available capacity wise. This means we need access systems that very efficiently multiplex flows from an arbitrary number of end users. It is not about getting more throughput than the overall capacity of the system; it is about efficiently delivery the maximum available throughput when the end user actually needs it. Your basic 802.11 wireless system does not efficiently share capacity across multiple stations, which results in stranded capacity. Compare this to a WiMAX system that is extremely efficient at sharing capacity across all connected stations. No system can allow the aggregate throughput of all stations to exceed the total capacity of the system, which would violate the law of physics. Obviously. But that's EXACTLY what two people just said on this list. That they do. That's what I'm responding to. In the real world, end users can't use all of their capacity all of the time. Therefore, the more efficiently you can share that capacity across multiple users the more users you can support on a given system without negatively impacting their throughput when they need it.
Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companies to expand BPL
Is there a more expensive way to bring in broadband than BPL? Perhaps they would consider FTTH out in the middle of nowhere instead... That might cost more, be more in line... sheesh... I'm sorry, but I have become so completely disgusted, it's getting difficult for me to even relate to any of this stuff. It's like crisis mode is an excuse to just let anything happen anywhere to anyone, and spend any amount for anything without even a smidgeon of responsibility. All, precisely when the exact opposite should be happening... Prudence, thrift, conservation, careful judgement and careful analysis... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companies to expand BPL In our State our Governor has stated that they are going to work with the power companies and provided grant moneys to bring BPL to rural areas. Just reading between the lines. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL I didnt read the whole article as you gotta register to do so. I just took the subject verbatim. So whats it got to do with BPL then? -RickG 2009/3/18 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net I didn't see anything about BPL in it. I got the point was that they were putting ATT cell modems in the electric meters. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL I thought the point of the story is BPL? -RickG On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: They have no place to complain on this because they'll be using ATT's wireless network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL And where is the ARRL and all the Ham operators? -RickG On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr id-technology-0317/ http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr %0Aid-technology-0317/ Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
I can get 12 to 18 mbit off my 5 ghz AP's, and with customers limited to 2Mbit, I'm still bumping into limits in the 30 - 45 range per AP, and even then, I consider it oversubscribed. Now, 18mbit throughput in 7 mhz is great... But how good does the signal have to be, and when the signals degrade due to distance or... How much effect does this have? What's the distance you can do 18? 2 miles? 4 miles? I need 25 miles... I can't even GO 25 miles decently with 3.65, due to eirp limits. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
my average per customer is around $33/mo insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most of us compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
How do you do that, Patrick? Seriously, 18 mbit is 18 mbit. It isn't magically 36 because it has the word 'wimax' attached to it. Now, we do understand the technical improvements from better MAC's, but that has mostly translated to narrower channels, not more throughput. Even if you do FIBER, but your choke point, where everything comes down to a single pipe, be it a router, feed, AP, etc, data is data, it doesn't magically shrink because you label wimax on the device.Because we don't talk in radio rate but AP to client throughput aggregate totals, it doesn't matter if it's wimax, bpl, 802.11 or some totally proprietary unknown system. Data transfer limits are data transfer limits, and if you need to keep 30 clients going all at the same time with at least 1 meg, it ain't going to happen with an 18M feed point, even if the wimax word is printed, taped, labelled, or scratched onto the device. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? That's nuts Mike. I know numerous examples where the numbers are very high. Simply depends on what you are selling, like it always has. In general though, it is probably a fair point to say that how ever many customers you can get on a WISP model for a given capacity, double the number of customers for the same service and same same capacity in the WiMAX world. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Many of us can't get away with that. We have to make sure that there's actually bandwidth, not a fancy, 'managed' version of severe oversubscription. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, Many Wimax manufacturers have many operators who have more than 100 subs per AP. Our solution supports up to 30k pps, so it can most defintely scale to this level. The Wimax mac was designed for this, bandwidth aside. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Sheesh. How many times must this misinformation be posted before the snake oil gets poured down the drain? The better MAC allows you to use a very high percentage of transmission time for actual data throughput, and it manages spreading bandwidth nicely among the oversubscribed. HOWEVER... If you built a 300mbit 802.11 PTMP system, you'd get about 120 total throughput. This means you're using massive amounts of spectrum, but the actual throughput would be higher than ANY WIMAX setup to date. This snake oil about the MAC supposedly violating physics and putting 36mbit through an 18 mbit pipe is nonsense.802.11 sucks because the MAC wastes well over 50% of the airtime doing nothing at all, has absolutely no means of managing bandwidth use or dividing use among the users. However, REAL THROUGHPUT IS REAL THROUGHPUT. If you have an 18 mbit WIMAX you can support 3 clients consuming a little less than 6 each. Add client #4 asking for 6mbit and the the other three MUST LOSE BANDWIDTH TO FEED IT. Get it? So, instead of just under 6 each, if they're all equal priority, all 4 get about 4. Duhh. That's it. You cannot violate physics. The MAC allows greater efficiency concerning airtime and modulation types improve throughput vs spectrum consumption. NOTHING VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. You cannot get 36 through an 18 knothole. Period. You guys are all WAY smarter than this, and it's about time the hype based on comparison of RADIO DATA RATES gets chucked down the toilet. None of us operate that way, and none of care a whit about radio data rates. We're all about real throughput and good management of our our required business model of oversubscription. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, It absolutely has nothing to do with throughput. It has to do with the scheduling mechanism of the MAC. The reason why 802.11x networks cant scale like this is the listen before talk protocol. Even basic polling doesn't work because the more subs you add, the more latency you add to the network. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
I put up some Ubiquiti based gear, one of the radios died about 1hr into carrying traffic. UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight. I'll update. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
wow. i can get that for way under 2k... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Agreed I love threads like these touting deals too good to be true. Many times they are. Three things matter when pricing bandwidth: (1) Location (2) Location (3) Location I'd gladly pay $5300 for 30MB in many, many parts of the country! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:22 AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different carriers there (Qwest, ATT, MCI, Sprint, Lightcore, and Norlight first come to mind), but I'm still $5k - $7k for a DS3 with a 0 mile loop. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Some are in areas that will never support that much overhead. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Richey myli...@battleop.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN That's still a pretty hard thing for a small provider to swallow when they are starting out. Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Hi Mike, I can't agree more! Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way to get true diversity. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN You should engineer your network to take advantage of BGP instead of being afraid of it. BGP will bring you closer to more parts of the Internet and will protect you from routing problems on the net. oh, and make sure the two lines you get are completely diverse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Richey myli...@battleop.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? I read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. Even at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will never really use.You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your traffic rolls over to the T1. Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you can legitimately run BGP and multi home? You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if necessary. I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include Internet access, only point to point. John Richey wrote: /rant on Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many people might get a DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the beginning. If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a similar situation where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not do anything until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard for the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks are non portable. /rant off Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Olle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are only using 4 class Cs? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. Anyone know a consultant that
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
XR3's. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ubiquity as in x3 cards or as in NS3 units? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I put up some Ubiquiti based gear, one of the radios died about 1hr into carrying traffic. UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight. I'll update. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
My replacements arrived today.The email that preceeded them said they were optimized for my setup. No clue what that means. I'll get them back up ASAP. Mark insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We have a sector feeding 3 other towers that has been rock solid for 59 days now. Using a 10mhz channel, delivering 11Mbps at 18 miles. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Yes, but the UBNT 3.65 radios are crap. Everyone we tried was worthless. On the other hand, every Redline 3.65 radio whether RedMax or AN80 has worked perfect. -Matt On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Wow. I have 200 UBNT radios out there and not a single failure, not even to lightning. These are 2.4, but still. I sure do like them. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I put up some Ubiquiti based gear, one of the radios died about 1hr into carrying traffic. UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight. I'll update. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ridiculously OT, but relevant question...
How, uhh, do you deal with woodpeckers...??? Anyone got any ideas other than shotgun? insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
Thanks for the humor, Marlon! The romans infested my network last night. To make room for a new backhaul and some other stuff, we changed out our largest site last night - everything new and also containing all new IP's and routing. Unfortunately, I had accidently put a routing loop in the backhaul device, and when we hooked it up, we instantly buried the CPU with routing loops and it took me 2 hours to fix it remotely - mostly waiting for a totally buried CPU to respond to SSH input Then, just an hour or so later, the radio on the other end of the backhaul died. This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider All that was on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the clients working about 11 pm. Worked on it some more at home till around 1:00 am... The phone was ringing at 8:05, after I'd gotten about 5 hours of sleep... Ok, that's it. I'm ready for sleep again... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? In many ways this is certainly true. Look at the Roman water systems and roads. Where are the Romans now? Oh, never mind. lol marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video streamforthentiameetingstoday
LOL!!! That's a very sharp and good point. Complaints are one thing, but naked whining about past employers will never cut it :) And you're very right... There's always a way to promote positively what you're for, even if you're advocating undoing everything the people you're talking to have just done. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Denise Hamilton den...@rapidsys.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video streamforthentiameetingstoday Coming across complaining about lawsuits, the local governments, the telcos, etc. is not a good way, in my humble opinion, to come across and successfully make policy in what we should be doing to make rules for grants. I trust when WISPA represents us on Thursday we come across better then the New America Foundation. Sorry but we never like to hire people that only complained about their last employer... ~ Denise Hamilton Rapid Systems 813-232-4887 x 101 Fax 813-236-0014 den...@rapidsys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream forthentiameetingstoday We have had an on again/off again relationship with New America Foundation. Mostly we agree with them. They lean far more to locally built non profit or consumer created networks than commercial ones. marlon - Original Message - From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream forthentiameetingstoday Yeah. What do you make of this Sascha guy? He seems like one of the more reasonable people there and then he throws something in that makes me think he is hinting at GovMuniWifi On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: More with a government or non profit agency of some kind. I agree though, so far the best speakers are pushing for private public partnerships. With public being the main partner. marlon - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: ccoo...@intelliwave.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for thentiameetingstoday They are asking us to partner with the State, but it is under debate. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday Scary? Care to expand upon that for those of us not in attendance? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday Not me, this is getting a bit scary. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday I'm going to fall asleep watching this... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM To: legislat...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html come join me. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
no, don't have my own space yet. The renumbering isn't normally too bad. I did that not long ago, to shuffle around some subnets and make space for more clients. Painlessly and nobody noticed. However, I have ONE access point that's legacy with clients back from my startup time and it has a number of non-dhcp clients on it. This WILL involve a lot of drive time, to get all them fixed. The access points themselves do all the routing and store the DHCP settings, so, it's just a matter of downloading the config, hand altering it, and uploading. Our ip's are assigned to MAC addresses and it's really not all that troublesome. I just use a word processor and and do a replace for the first 3 and hand assign the rest.Takes perhaps 10 minutes per AP. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider All that was on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the clients working about 11 pm. Worked on it some more at home till around 1:00 am... Yikes. I've been through a renumbering, I feel your pain. Since you mentioned providers' numbers, are you using IP space from your upstream(s)? If you're big enough, the money you'll spend on an ARIN membership is well worth it, just to get your own IP space. You'll hopefully never have to renumber again, and that peace-of-mind is well worth the money. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
I'm sure the FCC guys really appreciate all that free labor that's being done for them. Any bets they get up in front of Congress and praise you for doing it? Or, do you suppose they'll take the credit? Maybe a good stiff tax hike would make you feel better? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster? We don't ever TRACK most of what they want. sigh I'm going to have to figure out how to build a query in our access files that will export the data in a file for the fcc. Let them sort all of the crap out. My poor office manager is about ready to quit over this! g marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN agreed When we had specific questions, we called ARIN. Got someone right away that new what they were talking about Easier than Form 477 for us Scott - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its easy. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
The fact is, the only things we're doing wrong, is allowing too much subsidy, too many barriers to entry into the business, and too much tax money to be gobbled up. In all of these countries with so-called great broadband, how much is ACTUALLY spent by the consumers and taxpayers? Nobody knows. I will guarantee you it is WELL MORE than anyone pays here.No, not the price of subsidized services, the total spending divided by users and taxpayers. What is the actual return on broadband?I can tell you honestly, that with the exception of a small handful of my customers, the only return is time saved, with no monetary returns.For a few, it does have financial implications, and they do earn or save money.I'd say it was under 10%. Now, that's RESIDENTIAL customers.Business customers have a far different viewpoint... And they often pay well more than residential service prices to get SLA's, etc. Subsidizing the residential users with taxpayers is both economically wrong, and just plain common sense wrong. But as far as the article goes.. We need MORE free market and less interference. Broadband would spread faster, not slower. And be more, not less, competitive. But we have to recognize some things... There are historically created monopolies, and there are current monopolies, and these monopolies exist due to force of law. If there's anything that's held up broadband, it's these monopolies. Local and state laws often create monopolies by placing huge impediments to new startups, or wireless deployments, and often absolutely and totally forbid WIRED competition for phone and cable operators by offering exclusive franchises. The number of competitive wired phone operators is nil, for all practical purposes, for a lot of reasons. Yet, we have no end in sight of the wireless phone guys competing for your dollar. In rural America, far too much land is governmentally owned, and is the single largest obstacle to wireless deployments. Eastern Oregon, for instance is hugely Federal, some state, and tiny spots of private land. Trying to use federal or state land is just simply not feasible, especially if you're provider #2 for a town of 2000 people and you're trying to be cost competitive. And Congress can't seem to figure out that handing out grants to people who are experts at milking the sow in DC isn't cost effective or in any other way effective. Those who can, do, those who can't, get grants or loans. Not universally, but at least around here, that's the case. Here is Eastern Oregon, we have one company that invested minimal money of their own, but bilked the state for millions, and uses state money (mine, no less) to deploy fiber to compete with non subsidized WISP's and other ISP's. And, since their contract is written in a certain way, they use the LEAST cost effective means of reaching people. They get paid by the state to waste money, IMO. And are they friendly to being cooperative iwth other ISP's? Hell no. Every time you offer public subsidy, you simply invite the taxpayers to get screwed endlessly. And we're ALL taxpayers. If you want to lobby DC and get my support, then the following words and this idea will NEVER surface in what you say... Give us money from the taxpayers.If you want to talk tax breaks, if you want to talk legal classifications, if you want to talk about barriers to services, etc, etc... by all means, do so... but you lose me everytime you say we need money. If you can't make the business case for it without subsidy or grants, IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE. Period. And those poor whiny souls who bellyache about the position we hold in broadband penetration can have endless bleeding ulcers over it, they have no point worth considering. As I've said before... lots of people here are arguing that since it's going to be spent, get your share. NO! If it has to start somewhere, it starts with me. I take nothing. Zilch. Never. Ever. Just do the right thing. Eventually, doing the right thing will be popular and can be sold to the saps in DC. But it has to start somewhere. Even if it starts AND ENDS with me... I'm doing the right thing, period. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ? http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Whats-The-US-Doing-Wrong-With-Broadband-101328 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?
Why on earth should it be? End the monopolies and end subsidies. There's no excuse under the sun for that to be. NONE \ insert witty tagline here You're in the wrong industry to invent a moral highroad about government subsidisations. Telecomm is considered a utility, and utilities will always be subsidised by governments. Always have been, and always will be. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeo 3.65
Did the list die? Anyway, wondering if anyone's used or using the Tranzeo 3.65 stuff that's out now? insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
You're seeing LOCAL government cutting back, but not the federal. It's going to grow by at least 500,000 to 700,000 new employees in the next couple of years. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
The biggest problem with all this, is that dictionaries use old definitions... and the definition of a dynamic political ideology is bound to change. I'm far closer to the definition quoted, and yet, today, nobody would dream of calling me a liberal. This makes conversations a lot harder. And tempers a lot hotter. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.[1] Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term liberal and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6] Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism That one is about as far off as it can get. I think liberalism is interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's interested in eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc. Liberalism wants to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc. flame suit on marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district.
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
LOL!!! @ size matters There's someone, not sure who, going around to every forum that talks about 3650 and says it's unlicensed and that you do whatever you want there... They've been on the DSLReports forums, and Ubiquiti, to specify two I remember for sure.It reads almost like prepared stuff, as if someone's out to deliberately spread misinformation. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Other vendors of 3.65 GHz gear told me size doesn't matter. I guess that's what I get for listening to that phrase, no matter who's right. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Antenna gain does matter. UBNT has only one certified antenna combination - or did back when I first filed for the license. Useful only for P2P, actually. You have to specificy EIRP, which UBNT's grant details, using the antenna specified. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Not mine, but http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseLocDetail.jsp?keyLoc=15533393licKey=2969764rsc=NN That's a Ubiquiti XR3. It doesn't say Mikrotik or Star-OS or Ikarus or because it doesn't matter. Nor does antenna gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz license and have registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to see a full answer from you here on this. Scriv On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
I dunno who to ask, I think even if you ask the FCC you might get a slightly muddled answer. I just used exactly what was certified including the enclosure used, and followed the rest of the requirements as best I could. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Who has the final word on this? I've been told by testing laboratories that do testing for the FCC that this is not the case... They said if the radio card (5Ghz when I asked but for this discussion it doesn't matter) had been approved with an antenna then you could use the same or less db like antenna and you were good to go - assuming the card manufacturer (like ubiquity) had had appropriate testing completed and filed with FCC. It sure is difficult for any of us to make heads or tales out of what can or can't be done because everyone has a different opinion - even the people at the top of the food chain I guess. Who's right? And how am I supposed to know? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp I think the confusion on this comes from the fact that for the P90 licensing process, only the transmitter information is collected. Remember that even with Part 90 devices, they still must comply with Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators. This is covered with a Declaration of Conformity for the system typically. So the previous example of the XR3 + ARC + RB411 + PoE (sic) is technically only legal if it meets all Part 90 requirements (which it should according to the test report on file at the FCC) as well as Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators. In this case, a Declaration of Conformity should be on file at the assembler's location. This is why the label is important. This kind of system built from modular components should include a label with a manufacturer name/model number, the contains FCC ID: xx, and the 2 required statements about unintentional interference. This information tells anyone including the FCC who to contact for intentional emission issues (P-90 in this example) as well as unintentional emission issues (P-15 in this case). If there is no label on there, then it is illegal by default. Then if there are problems with the intentional radiator, it is the module maker's problem (assuming the integration instructions were followed properly). Finally if there are problems with the unintentional emissions, it is the system assembler's problem. I know, I knowthis is a licensed, Part 90 band. So why does Part 15 even matter? Simply put, P-90 covers the transmitter, P-15 covers the rest of the crap spewing from the device in the rest of the spectrum. :-) -Hal -Original Message- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:05:36 GMT My system is fully licensed. How did you get your combination of XR3 + Routerboard 400 series + Mikrotik RouterOS 3.x + whatever antenna certified? What's the process like, and how much did it cost?Or did you just buy the kit from someone else who went through the certification process? If so, from whom? I'd be willing to pay a small premium over the price of all those parts just to avoid the legal heat.David SmithMVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Of course, Jack. Part of what adds up to confusion is that there's always questions that come up that don't have particularly clear answers by just reading the rules. And the rules are very short and to the point. It's easy to read them (the ones for 3650) through in a relatively short period of time, and yet still have answers. That's when interpretation of the rules comes into play, often in a very technological context, and I'd say a lawyer's not going to be a lot of help, unless he's technically at engineer level, and I'm not sure that all the FCC personell have been even asked all the questions, yet, that us creative types can dream up. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp As I see it, there are two sources of information on FCC matters. 1. Those people (onlist) who have the most experience with an issue (be it 3.65 or any other issue). Experience still adds up to knowledge. Anything less is just guessing. Put your faith in those that you trust who have experience with an issue, whatever the issue is. 2. Your FCC attorney. FCC matters are, at base, a matter of law. jack rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I dunno who to ask, I think even if you ask the FCC you might get a slightly muddled answer. I just used exactly what was certified including the enclosure used, and followed the rest of the requirements as best I could. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Who has the final word on this? I've been told by testing laboratories that do testing for the FCC that this is not the case... They said if the radio card (5Ghz when I asked but for this discussion it doesn't matter) had been approved with an antenna then you could use the same or less db like antenna and you were good to go - assuming the card manufacturer (like ubiquity) had had appropriate testing completed and filed with FCC. It sure is difficult for any of us to make heads or tales out of what can or can't be done because everyone has a different opinion - even the people at the top of the food chain I guess. Who's right? And how am I supposed to know? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp I think the confusion on this comes from the fact that for the P90 licensing process, only the transmitter information is collected. Remember that even with Part 90 devices, they still must comply with Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators. This is covered with a Declaration of Conformity for the system typically. So the previous example of the XR3 + ARC + RB411 + PoE (sic) is technically only legal if it meets all Part 90 requirements (which it should according to the test report on file at the FCC) as well as Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators. In this case, a Declaration of Conformity should be on file at the assembler's location. This is why the label is important. This kind of system built from modular components should include a label with a manufacturer name/model number, the contains FCC ID: xx, and the 2 required statements about unintentional interference. This information tells anyone including the FCC who to contact for intentional emission issues (P-90 in this example) as well as unintentional emission issues (P-15 in this case). If there is no label on there, then it is illegal by default. Then if there are problems with the intentional radiator, it is the module maker's problem (assuming the integration instructions were followed properly). Finally if there are problems with the unintentional emissions, it is the system assembler's problem. I know, I knowthis is a licensed, Part 90 band. So why does Part 15 even matter? Simply put, P-90 covers the transmitter, P-15 covers the rest of the crap spewing from the device in the rest of the spectrum. :-) -Hal -Original Message- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:05:36 GMT My system is fully licensed. How did you get your combination of XR3 + Routerboard 400 series + Mikrotik RouterOS 3.x + whatever antenna certified? What's the process like, and how much did it cost?Or did you just buy the kit from someone else who went through the certification process? If so, from whom? I'd
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
My system is fully licensed. Please don't use your ignorance to try to insult me in public. I suggest you attempt, for once, to know exactly what you're talking about before you go start demanding I do a damn thing for you. The FCC grant for the equipment I have in use occurred about 8-10 months ago. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz license and have registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to see a full answer from you here on this. Scriv On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Ok, smart alec. Call sign: WQJC592 It's all there in black and white. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp I did not realize there was as FCC emission designator and grant of approval assigned to that radio. I would love to read the FCC approval on that radio. Do you happen to have a link to that? I previously sent out a step by step guide for everyone to use for registering their AP and client locations using the Redline system as an example. It was a doc we worked on at MVN for about a month and sent it to the FCC for their approval. It was given out for free to our paid up WISPA members to save them the month work we spent in making sure we did our filings by the book. I would not expect that you have anything like that but would you care to share what the specific details (emission designator, FCC grant #, etc.) are that you have used for your location filings using the XR3? Thank you, John Scrivner On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The FCC ULS requires that you enter the FCC ID of the radio that is being used, along with it's characteristics. That is easily done with an XR3 card. No where during the registration process does it say the radio and antenna and everything else has to be certified as a system. I can complete a perfectly legal 3.65 registration filing, answering every single question honestly, using an XR3 card, inside an ARC antenna/enclosure with an RB411 board. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz license and have registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to see a full answer from you here on this. Scriv On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
Antenna gain does matter. UBNT has only one certified antenna combination - or did back when I first filed for the license. Useful only for P2P, actually. You have to specificy EIRP, which UBNT's grant details, using the antenna specified. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Not mine, but http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseLocDetail.jsp?keyLoc=15533393licKey=2969764rsc=NN That's a Ubiquiti XR3. It doesn't say Mikrotik or Star-OS or Ikarus or because it doesn't matter. Nor does antenna gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz license and have registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to see a full answer from you here on this. Scriv On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax
Absolutely none of this is possible with unlicensed spectrum. If you're saying that it's our fault that there's no high power protected spectrum to use that doesn't cost mega millions like the cellular guys paid, then, I guess we're at fault. Until you can make the case for that point, I'm in complete disagreement with you on whose fault it is. Until then, there's simply no way to move equipment around randomly and have ubiquitous coverage. Oh, and even the cellular guys aren't doing it yet. It works in the big city. It works in a few places out here. And it's not fast. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere with mobility. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett vp...@hofnet-communications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I have yet to receive any communication or dollars from my government, other than to spend more money on their so called public safety initiatives, like calea... ...enough, that should get the sounding board moving...just incase anyone needs to know who posted such a Capitalistic Republican view. LOL, they don't like me around here for being one of those Capitalist Pigs, either. I'm so radical I oppose handouts, even for and to me (God knows I am not rich ). I won't take it if offered. You gotta start somewhere. I'm starting with me. It's not good enough for me to say if someone's going to get them, it might as well be me. Sorry. This country's in bad enough shape it's no longer a matter of politics or partisanship. It's now a matter of conscience. That should come first, before the bank balance, before the checkbook bottom line, before we're a party member, or not a party member, before we're businessmen or consumers, or whatever... Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. Effingham Illinois. 217 342 6201 ex 100 _ Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. _ - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The good college try
Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
I have a couple of the motherboards in use doing other things, they're just real slow as a full blown PC. The nice part is, they run from 12V DC nicely and have a single PCI slot and a mini-pci slot. You can make smaller PC's than that, by quite a bit, just use the VIA PICO and NANO ITX motherboards and the cases built for them. They're even quite a bit faster, with the ability to add more ram, which the geode based boards often lack. They do take a little more power, but for that, you get a real video chipset, a good audio chipset, and the much faster VIA processor. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Has anyone seen or used one of these? http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS
Some simple rules to move things in your direction... 1. limit the size of loans or grants - nothing over, say, 300K. No multi million dollar get some guy real rich schemes. 2. Limit the areas allowed to be paid for, in other words, only so many dollars per square mile. 3. Require local presence in area covered. Nobody from Odessa getting money for Pendleton... 4. Allow dollars to be used for customer end, not just infrastructure or a truck or something. I disagree with 'no startups' as there's a lot of area that simply has to be a venture of its own. No community access or community centers. Those things are absurd. Like, does Odessa really need an internet cafe? What about Lind? that's just off the top of my head. Have fun. new customers waiting... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS OK, I've been putting some thought into this bailout mess we find ourselves in. The agencies have almost no time to design a program, take applications, distribute money and audit the results. I'll be surprised if they aren't forced to accept a basic outline of a plan drawn on a Denny's napkin. What will the easiest and safest way to go as a government employee? Just shoot most of the money out to the people that you already know. Even though you've already sent 6 billion out the door to that same group (BTW, we should use that number as a big reason why they should radically change their models). No one will get in trouble for sticking with what's known, and there's not nearly enough time to study the issue, accept public input etc. etc. etc. I don't know if we'll ever get the chance to give our input to the agencies involved. (I know WISPA and many of us individually will sure be working on that though!!!) But if we do, what should we push for? The more of us push in the same direction the more we'll be able to move the agencies out of their historic ruts. Some of the things that I think would help a company like mine deal with the grants. Heck, even want the grants. (The last time I even considered one was in 2001, too many strings.) No strings attached. Accept the plan laid out, look at the goals of the plan and approve or disapprove based on that. (We need more and better broadband out here, but we do NOT need computer centers!) Allow basic plans. There isn't time for us to figure this out down to the last nut and bolt either. I have a plan to build new towers in many locations. Some will be near existing buildings that are used for towers now, others will have to be in totally new locations. It'll take time to buy/lease ground. I might have to move my locations by great distances. Allow labor to be paid. If I can grow/update my network I'll need to hire some help. I won't be able to do enough new installs or upgrades to get it all done quickly. Fund small businesses at 100%. If I had the ability to get more money (for matching funds) I'd have already used it to deploy more coverage to more users. Allow funding to purchase the tools needed to expand. If I get another installation crew running I'll need a rig for them. They'll need some training etc. Allow the specifics of a deployment to change if need be. As long as the original goal is still being met. Money will need to be sent out in advance. Lets say that a company gets a $1m grant. They need $100k to $200k in the bank at all times. This will allow is to get cash with order deals, adjust for changing opportunities etc. We'll also be able to move MUCH more quickly than we otherwise would. Tie grant funds to the 477. If a company can prove that it's already been in the broadband industry and has already been serving customers they should be empowered to do more of what they already do. They'd have the greatest chance of success over the long haul. Do NOT fund startups. The Muni Wireless industry's pitiful results should demonstrate that most of the big thinkers just don't get the market. Let those that are already successful expand on what they are already able to accomplish. Make sure that most of the money goes to small business. The goal here is to create jobs. 90%+ of America's economy revolves around small business. Many more jobs will be created and the money used more efficiently (as seen in the historical record) by small businesses. Fund operations for x (3 to 5?) years. We can build the networks today, but we can't create users today. It will take time to sign them up. It will take time for them to maximize their new efficiencies with the new technologies (or upgraded technologies) that we'll install. What
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
I am. Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but affirmative statement that it works.3.65 seems to have unique propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 5 or 2.4. Or, that's how it seems. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be used in mikrotik? brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA
February's always been dead here. My sales in Februrary have generally been nil. Not this year. I've several for the month. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA That's awesome Marlon. We too are seeing a spike this year. 36 last month, Over 30 so far this month. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Most people around here understand this issue. They are putting service ahead of that last couple of bucks. We added a net of almost 100 subs last year (much better than I thought it would be due to the installation pace mid year). This year, in the midst of a ression I've put on 26 already! We're ahead of last years numbers, by a high %. We can more easily cut costs than the big guys can. We don't have unions to deal with, we usually don't have large houses, planes, vehicle fleets etc. etc. etc. This will be a good thing for us at the end of the day. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA And THAT's what give capitalism a bad name. So, with the C-word becoming a bad thing, the socialist will get their way - for now at least. What can a WISP do in such an environment? -RickG On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.comwrote: Groan. Sigh. The following comment reflects a personal view... Would have been nice if they could have tapped someone from a respected think tank like Pew or non-profit like the New America Foundation. You'd think by now people would getting tired of bringing in big company board room honchos to run these sorts of things. The temptation and limited big company experience of these people just continues the culture of influence peddling and mutual aggrandizing among their well-heeled and boot-licking peers. After so many repeated stories of abuse and fraud, all I can think of when I see this sort of appointment of a major corporate figure is the image of cigar chomping, back-slapping, bonus-happy banker-type culture. Patrick Leary -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA Does anyone know the stock symbol for the company that makes KY Jelly? I think that is where I will be moving my portfolio to. I'll just go ahead now and predict that Sprint / Clearwire end up with a minimum of $3B, likely more. TODAY'S SPOTLIGHT... Former Sprint exec tapped as NTIA deputy director The Obama administration has named a former Sprint Nextel executive, Anna Gomez, to serve as deputy director of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), which will handle as much as $6.65 billion in new stimulus wireless and broadband grants that will be available to Sprint and its competitors. Gomez, former vice president of government affairs with Sprint, is currently acting director of NTIA, which influences the president's telecom policy within the Commerce Department. NTIA spokesman Bart Forbes said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal that Gomez understands that the public has every right to be concerned about her role in a potential broadband grant program, because of her history with Sprint. She is discussing this with the ethics office and will look to remove herself from the decision-making process for grant applications where appropriate, he said. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything
You're so right. Anywhere we can find a child suffering the ravages of catastrophe, unlimited taxpayer dollars are called for, to make his life easier. After we've all lost our homes due to foreclosure and our businesses are closed due to everyone else being broke, these poor children will STILL be happy. Then we just have Congress bail us ALL out, and buy all new homes and new cars and new internet services. Cripes. My heart aches at every person's misfortune...whether it's the disabled man who lives next to me with the wife who has suddenly had to be hospitalized for psychosis or the kid in my youth group who has her seizure disorder go wildly out of control, or any of the millions of tragedies that occur around the globe every year. This does NOT in the slightest justify indebting every taxpayer the point that he can NEVER get out of debt nor his children. Sorry. I am in complete disagreement with you. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] It can mean everything I used to say our government had no place in broadband. One thing happened that changed my thinking to some degree. A small rural town called Bluford, Illinois used to have no broadband until a few years ago. At that time I never used 900 MHz gear because it was out of my budget. Bluford was full of trees. It is a very poor community which led me to believe they could not afford the high price of 900 MHz CPEs. Basically Bluford defined the Digital Divide. My attitude toward USDA grants was They should stay out of this but if someone will get the money it might as well be me. I shot for the moon. I budgeted for Waverider 900 MHz (The only 900 MHz gear available at that time) and a new tower. I asked for free installs for all residents. I ran surveys of every person in town. In short I did everything the USDA required of the grant and then some. I even went to broadband conventions and told others how to apply for grants. Then a miracle happened. My grant was funded. I received $310K to build service into Bluford. It was the nicest setup I had ever done. The people of Bluford were ecstatic. Over 60% of all residents bought service. We built a free community technology center at the local grade school. We gave free broadband to the schools, the village hall, the fire department, etc. as a condition of the grant. Bluford was doing great. Still, this had not really changed my thinking that Uncle Sam should keep out of the broadband business. One child did change my mind. An 8 year old boy in Bluford got leukemia shortly after we setup the new broadband there. Dad and son, alone, faced the dark days ahead. These people were poor folks facing the horrors of cancer. Despite all this adversity and gloom the boy had only one major mental obstacle which really cut to the core for him. He could not face the prospects of having to be held back a year of school. You see, he was forced into isolation from killing off his immune system as a consequence of the bone marrow being destroyed and replaced. He desparately wanted to finish school with his class. The schoool called me and asked if we could help with the broadband grant program we had won. We did. We bought a pan-tilt-zoom camera and set it up on a roll around cart along with a speakerphone in his classroom. We installed broadband in his home for free using 900 MHz radios to bust through the trees. The boy attended classes virtually through this system. He beat his cancer. He also finished his year with his fellow students. How much is this worth? It seems to me that this particular broadband application is much like the Priceless description we see in those VISA commercials. But let's try to put a dollar amount on it. Is it worth $310K to be able to do this? Is it possible that this one boy's hope alone is worth $310K and the fact that the whole town now has broadband is a bonus? Maybe it is ok to let our leaders lead for a change. I have seen many bad things come from bad government in my 43 years on this earth. I have been fortunate enough to see some good things too. Until recently I thought cynicism was going to rule the day forever in regard to government. I thought patrotism was dead. I thought the American Dream had faded and spoiled into a nightmare. Sadly the government has done much to amplify those feelings. Regardless of your politics you have to be worried. Maybe it is ok to have hope too. Maybe we should try for once to say that we will take our leader's lead and try to stimulate our economy through broadband deployment. I am willing to give it a shot. Maybe this will not work but maybe it will. What if success or failure of this program is more dependent on how we make use of
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
No, it's NOT my money. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong about getting back what they took from you? Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say it should not be done and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE
WAR1, box, XR9, pigtail, POE, J arm mount, and antenna = ~$265 Plus labor to put it together. That's the 900 I use. If you're close in and keep the RSSI up, it'll deliver over 3.5Mbit to the customer in a 5 mhz channel. Gives you 4 channels to work with. I had one small town of 500 that had 900 stop working completely on all frequencies. Let the buyer beware. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and then I need fairly inexpensive CPE. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Well, they are THE providers of broadband, didn't you know.Too valuable to fail and well connected in DC. I read somewhere that between the bailouts - specifically banks and other financial institutions - and the loans that the taxpayers have gauranteed in the last year, along with the spending and new spending programs voted in for the future, there's something like 18 TRILLION dollars in liabilites on the backs of the taxpayers that's new since the end of January 08. And it's over 5 trillion in direct spending just for the 18 months between last july and the end of '09. That assumes no new spending. Someone I read, which if memory serves was a WSJ blog, calculated that we could just have let ALL the banks fail and instead, distributed 90,000 PER ADULT to the public and restarted with all new and solvent institutions and it would have been cheaper than the stimulus, bank rescues and bailouts. I know that with 180K in my family we'd have done a lot more stimulatin' than the present 3.3 trillion just passed. (this includes the cost of future programs which are NOT paid for in this bill, cumulative to the next pres election).I am as horrified as you at the gross mismanagement. But, just when you think you've seen it all... The president (CEO? COO? Chairman? not sure) of Netflix apparently has publicly stated he thinks his taxes should be raised, along with all his business cohorts.If I were on his BOD, he'd be sending resumes out and unemployed the day after he said that. Well, whatcha gonna do? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Mike Hammett wrote: Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin. I lost my home everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. And I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt ever since. The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real estate loans. Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, rather than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect from me or sell those loans elsewhere. I lost track of the number of owners of those notes over the years. I had no credit cards unpaid or car loans or anything. Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed and they'd sell it again. Often it was less than 2 months between being persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner. One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff. But, hey, look at the bright side. Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE FIRED! :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up. Only in test markets though. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Mike Hammett wrote: Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future without all of that burden. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer _id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
[WISPA] Per customer gigabyte consumption...
I'm in the process of bringing on a new provider for bandwidth on board and in doing so, I decided to check out some history... When I started, on the average, my customers used 2 gigs of data per month. Last month, it worked out to just over 11 gigs per customer. That's an increase of over 5X in 4.5 years. I didn't bother to look back, but if memory serves, this time last year, that number was about 4.5 gigs per customer. I expect that's going to double again this year. Any of you have similar histories? insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
Have you seen anyone who wasn't connected to DC carry this out? I don't think my corp could get away with that. BTW, there's been some people, including a coule in Congress who want to change the BK laws for corporations, so that if they go BK, the people who lent money get to hold the stock of the new corp. I'll bet they'd get the incompetent fired and replaced. Although, sometimes it really isn't a case of mismanagement - or it was mismanagement previous to the people who get stuck with the mess - like Chrysler is right now. Daimler's to blame for 100% of their problems, it seems rather pointless to rip the guys trying to save it now... Anyone notice that the peanut guys just went out of business over some tainted peanuts? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue business like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and the owners, board of directors and upper management that caused the mess goes clean and free and get to keep it all. Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. It's part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning and preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a legal term from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't be allowed. They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and keep everything. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin. I lost my home everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. And I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt ever since. The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real estate loans. Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, rather than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect from me or sell those loans elsewhere. I lost track of the number of owners of those notes over the years. I had no credit cards unpaid or car loans or anything. Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed and they'd sell it again. Often it was less than 2 months between being persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner. One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff. But, hey, look at the bright side. Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE FIRED! :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like Charter now and Cable Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a single thing of their personal affect. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete. No one bothers to point out that they do it be going broke!! aaa marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
My Dodge that's now a bucket truck... I towed a trailer with it to Klamath Falls and back... with the empty trailer, it was 13 mpg. Coming back, I had a 13,000 tractor on it. Truck and trailer total was 27,000 and I got 10.5 mpg, and even a 6% grade didn't get us down under 45mph. I never had to get lower than 4th gear (6 speed). You CAN get decent fuel economy, but it requires certain ... qualities to your rig. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL. It's the one with the 3rd seat. I'm only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally loaded. It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws. I did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show up at first. The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach. Everything else sits well inside. As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter and cold in the summer. The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too. Best of all? No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one. EVERYONE knows my rig. That alone is a nice sales too. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
dodge is expecting to have a Cummins powered half ton in 2010 or 2011 model year. It's expected to be able to pull off near 30 mpg. Ford and Toyota dropped their plans for light duty diesel pickups, Chrysler has not. I would not even think of owning a Mahindra. They're known around the world as a not very funny joke compared to well built stuff. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Sooner or later, someone will do a 1/2 ton diesel electric hybrid truck , and it should be able to do at least 40 mpg if they do it right. It looks like these guys might be the ones to do it. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/11/mahindra-appalachian-diesel-pickup-arrives-in-us-next-year-dies/ John Mark Nash wrote: I always thought of buying a hybrid... ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say that I take my hybrid everywhere I go... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV: Buy a hybrid, I need your gas! ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL. It's the one with the 3rd seat. I'm only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally loaded. It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws. I did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show up at first. The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach. Everything else sits well inside. As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the
Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
And everyone said I was a fool when I said the govenrment needed to stay OUT of the broadband business insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing they no nothing about. Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill. The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps. AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not eligible under the amended Sentate bill. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears that it needs to be corrected: In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html (j) DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user data transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol wireless network; (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream; So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, advanced broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service SHOULD BE 3/1 mbps WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.20/1943 - Release Date: 2/10/2009 7:20 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.22/1946 - Release Date: 2/11/2009 11:13 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
I have not had a single customer call or complaint from the users of Avast! anti-virus. It's pretty much just as effective as those phony firewall things, and an excellent anti-virus. Not to mention... it's FREE.A sizeable portion of my customer base has switched from Norton and McCaffee to Avast! on our reccommendation and as of yet, not one has reported a single complaint to me. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner Get rid of Norton. It's crap software these days. www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better. Norton and MacAfee make my phone ring all of the time. Stop Sign has been amazing. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds and ends IP scans. Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version wont let me exclude it. Anybody have a program like it (windows) that I might Try that you like. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
I have used Star-OS as the foundation of my network for 4 years now.I have little complaint except for the strangeness of the guys in charge, who seem to plot their own course and assume the world will follow them aorund. Performance is good, there is a short vertical learning curve to getting up and running and then some more for advanced stuff. If you want to use 11a, b, g products, this is a fast and ultimately easy to learn system. The access points are world class in performance as an AP and the clients are reasonable priced, though there's now a nicely compatible system for $135 that's even FCC cert for everything but the ethernet cable. On the other hand, 11a,b,g standards have glaring deficiencies which show up in certain conditions.I am almost exclusively residential and so this has proven to be excellent for me, but won't be the best under certain circumstances. However, I'd not use this for extreme speed or high packet count conditions. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
It's ok. You don't know my truck. I do. I've put fast ricers away on the street. And they never try again. That perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec. In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec Excursions in STOCK trim. 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Grin... My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it. Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15... And his excursion would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :) I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and trailer were 23K combined. Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted me 10.5 - 11 mpg . insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins... not so much pep compared to the new ones). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling. It used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's probably due for a tune up of some kind. It does have a custom chip exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY Diesel Dodge I've run across. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Fords have terrible mileage. Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9 (doesn't pull anything). Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with OEM software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly terrain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van. 11mpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package - ContactyourCongressmen
thanks Marlon. I read a rumor about two days ago that said the Senate might not pass, as there's at least a couple Democrats who are rather uneasy with all the spending and might filibuster it. Who knows where that goes. I read somewhere that if we took the bailout money, and stimulus money that has and is expected to be spent, and just divided it among the adults, it ends up to be many thousands per working person - something over 10K. If we just let the banks and loans fail and instead, divided up the insurance ,FDIC obligations, and Freddy and Fannie liabilities, and all the other spending among all of us, I understand it would be something like 70K for each household. As it is, I understand that the only real break to people who are not either really rich or really poor, is a $500 check. And heaven only knows when that would show up. And we're borrowing something just less than $3000 per man, woman, and child to do this latest one. I'm not exactly hopeful here. All the long term prognosticators I read are now saying we're headed for certain hyperinflation. We'd have been better off to let every bank fail that's failing, let Freddie and Fannie die, and then hand out the money that we're all liable for just to the people. It would have been enough to restart a whole new economoy. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: w...@part-15.org; isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package - ContactyourCongressmen My congressman (actually woman) voted no on the stimulus package. I've known her for years so I felt OK being more personal than I normally would. I thought it important to tell her that I LIKED her vote. Info on how to contact your representatives is listed below Hi Cathy, I just wanted to drop you a note and give you a great big THANK YOU for trying to stop the madness. Keep voting against more government fraud, waste and abuse. Once the pork barrel (er, uh, sorry, stimulus bill) gets railroaded through I hope you can find a way to insure that the funds go to small businesses with lots and lots of small projects. Anything else will take far too long to actually be helpful. Any applications will also need to be greatly streamlined from normal government requirements. I would be more than happy to help in regards to my industry segment. (Wireless Internet Service Provider) Thanks again for doing the right thing. Sincerely, Marlon K. Schafer Owner Odessa Office Equipment www.odessaoffice.com Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam To all, Here are websites that you can find your US Senators and Representatives. I just sent a letter to my two Senators in Indiana. It is important that everyone do this and make sure the Senators understand the importance WISPs have had in rural broadband and how important we are in the future. We can send them a more unified message as the legislative committee gets it refined. I think it is important to get on the radar screen early though. Make an introduction of your company and your locations http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml Respectfully, Rick Harnish ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Well, my Caravans both were under $500 and I've gotten a lot of miles for that. I've put perhaps $500 total into repairing them in the last two years, as well. Of course, I do my own mechanic work. I'm better than almost any shop you can find, so why would I pay for inferior work? I guess it mostly boils down to how much depreciation you want to pay for, and are you willing to have down time now and then. I just have an extra rig, so... no problem. Not everyone wants to put up with that. It's really a cost/return/value thing. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I am looking for a cost effective vehicle. Anything heavy will do the job of teaching ricers a lesson. Like an H1. On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting away a couple Civics. That truly must be one fast Goat! grin Just ribb'n ya Mark. Now back to our regular programming... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle It's ok. You don't know my truck. I do. I've put fast ricers away on the street. And they never try again. That perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec. In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec Excursions in STOCK trim. 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Grin... My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it. Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15... And his excursion would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :) I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and trailer were 23K combined. Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted me 10.5 - 11 mpg . insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins... not so much pep compared to the new ones). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling. It used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's probably due for a tune up of some kind. It does have a custom chip exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY Diesel Dodge I've run across. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Fords have terrible mileage. Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9 (doesn't pull anything). Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with OEM software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly terrain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van. 11mpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
We use an old Dodge Caravan. These have drip rails on them to fasten standard ladder racks to, and carry ladders on a rack nicely. We can put our 28 footer on it ok. It overhangs the front bumper a little, but it's ok. I have two of them, and in the last 3 year's we've racked up about 75,000 miles between them. We're now in the same place you are... ONe's got 210K miles and the other isn't far behind. I'm not sure what to replace them with. We now have a bucket truck, so I'm thinking we're going to switch to a less boxy rig. Perhaps a PT Cruiser or Jeep Cherokee. Although, Im still open to finding another manual transmission Dodge Caravan.The Caravans are hard to beat. Especially the 4 cyl manual. Even loaded with ladders and junk and driven most of the time with the foot near the floor, they manage to get 20-24 mpg. And they just keep on chugging. Should you break something, they're really cheap to fix. And Ive been off road, through deep snow, mud, fields, you name it. The only thing the offroading adventures have done is bend the oil pan :( Bad enough to wrinkle and spring a leak... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Nonsense. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I had many work vehicles. The best performing were: 1) Chevy Astro Cargo Van 2) Toyota Tacoma 3) Ford E250 *Dont do Dodge, you'll be sorry! -RickG On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
My 93 dodge diesel w/auto generally got about 18 while using it as a service rig. That included lots of idling, driving in town, etc. Not to mention, if you pushed the go pedal it would outrun any other stuck truck. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle A diesel truck would get you significantly better mileage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle We bought our tower crew a 2006 Dodge Ram Extended Cab Truck, w/full Service Box on EBay for $8000 in August. It was a previous ATM service vehicle with 100,000 miles on it but was extremely clean. We did change a universal joint in a power shaft but other than that, there wasn't much wrong with it. Gas mileage is not so good, but it has been a great vehicle so far. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle 4 door Toyota Tacoma 4WD, 6ft bed: City 16/Hwy 20 Hugely expensive @ 28K new. When you go to buy one, tell them you will wait the 6 weeks it takes for one with nothing on it (service truck). My dealer rolled over and sold me a truck with everything on it for the gadget-less price. I added a ladder rack: http://www.kwikstand.info/US%20Rack/Side%20Mount%20Ladder%20Rack/ladder2a.j pg I like this one because I can make it disappear when needed. I also have a RAM mount: http://www.ram-mount.com/nodrillsystems/nodrillbases.htm for my laptop so it does not slide through my windshield. This setup seems to work pretty well for me. Low maintenance, US Built, good mileage, warm storage/people space in the back seat. ryan Josh Luthman wrote: What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
THAT is the best part of all. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Ya but it's a Dodge ducking Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: My '07 dodge Cummins gets 20mpg all day long. -Tomar lightbar with traffic advisor -Kenwood VHF mobile radio -CF-29 toughbook with gamber johson mount and Panasonic docking station -PA microphone with radio rebroadcast (works great when yelling at the ground crew from up on a tower.) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle A Dodge diesel will get you between 20 and 25 mpg, pretty much no matter what you have in the back. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle We generally see 16mpg average (city driving, freeway at 80mph, etc.) with 500-700 pounds of gear in the back. Travis Matt wrote: We buy brand new Chevy Silverado 4x4 long-bed V6 work trucks. We tried What kind of mpg you get out of them? Matt the buy cheap and fix it when it breaks, but that doesn't work for us anymore. We can't have a vehicle out of service for 2-3 days because we give up 4-6 installs during that time. We get a $500 Lowe's card when we buy, so we use that to get toolboxes for the truck, and then we buy a $200 ladder rack off ebay. We also install our standard GPS tracking system, and have the truck decals put on. Takes us about a week from start to finish to get a new truck ready to go. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
I'd like to ponit out that the article leaves out some information, and it leaves you with a false impression because of it. It made note of the price of broadband being cheaper in Japan and other places. That's true, but much of the infrastructure was funded by tax dollars, instead of the customers of the ISP's. I believe if this were properly acounted for, internet would be cheapest in the US, and more everywhere else. It's not the price, it's the COST that matters, and cost must include the publicly financed portions of the equation. Everyone pays for that, not everyone uses it, and that cost is rarely factored in these articles. That leaves a false impression of it being cheap, which it is not and has not ever been. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Congress Approves Broadband to Nowhere Why the U.S. lags in Internet speed. * By L. GORDON CROVITZ In Japan, wireless technology works so well that teenagers draft novels on their cellphones. People in Hong Kong take it for granted that they can check their BlackBerrys from underground in the city's subway cars. Even in France, consumers have more choices for broadband service than in the U.S. The Internet may have been developed in the U.S., but the country now ranks 15th in the world for broadband penetration. For those who do have access to broadband, the average speed is a crawl, moving bits at a speed roughly one-tenth that of top-ranked Japan. This means a movie that can be downloaded in a couple of seconds in Japan takes half an hour in the U.S. The BMW 7 series comes equipped with Internet access in Germany, but not in the U.S. The Opinion Journal Widget Download Opinion Journal's widget and link to the most important editorials and op-eds of the day from your blog or Web page. So those of us otherwise wary of how wisely the stimulus package will be spent were happy to suspend disbelief when Congress invited ideas on how to upgrade broadband. Maybe there are shovel-ready programs to bring broadband to communities that private providers have not yet reached, and to upgrade the speed of accessing the Web. These goals sound like the digital-era version of Eisenhower's interstate highway projects, this time bringing Americans as consumers and businesspeople closer together on a faster information highway. But broadband, once thought to be in line for $100 billion as part of the stimulus legislation, ended up a low priority, set to get well under $10 billion in the package of over $800 billion. This is a reminder that even with a new president whose platform focused on technology, and even with the fully open spigot of a stimulus bill, technology gets built by private capital and initiative and not by government. The relatively small appropriation is not for want of trying. A partial list of the lobbying groups involved in the process is a reminder of how Washington's return to industrial policy requires lobbying by all: the Information Technology Industry Council, Telecommunications Industry Association, National Cable Telecommunications Association, Fiber-to-the-Home Council, National Association of Telecommunications Officers and Advisors, National Telecommunications Cooperative Association, Independent Telephone and Telecommunications Alliance and Organization for the Promotion and Advancement of Small Telecommunications Companies. The result was a relatively paltry $6 billion for broadband in the House bill and $9 billion in the Senate, with each bill micromanaging the spending differently. The bills include different standards, speeds and other requirements for providers that would use the public funds. This may balance competing interests among cable, telecom and local phone companies, but it doesn't address the underlying problems of too few providers delivering too few options to consumers. Techies may be surprised by how these funds would be dispersed. The House would give the Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities Service control over half the grants and the Commerce Department's National Telecommunications and Information Administration control of the other half. Tax credits would have been a faster way to make a difference than government agencies dividing spoils across the country. The House bill also calls for open access. This phrase can include hugely controversial topics such as net neutrality, which in its most radical version would bar providers from charging different amounts for different kinds of broadband content. Now that video, conferencing and other heavy-bandwidth applications are growing in popularity, price needs to be one tool for allocating scarce resources. Analysts at
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
What's wrong with a PT for service runs? Good economy (stick, not auto), durable, tolerates our bad roads, since it's engineered as a truck... and unique. With the seats down and whatnot, you can get a lotta stuff into it. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle PT Cruiser?!! I shudder. I would go for another Caravan. The only thing I wish mine had was 4wd. I am likely getting a S10 blazer for the rough work. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: We use an old Dodge Caravan. These have drip rails on them to fasten standard ladder racks to, and carry ladders on a rack nicely. We can put our 28 footer on it ok. It overhangs the front bumper a little, but it's ok. I have two of them, and in the last 3 year's we've racked up about 75,000 miles between them. We're now in the same place you are... ONe's got 210K miles and the other isn't far behind. I'm not sure what to replace them with. We now have a bucket truck, so I'm thinking we're going to switch to a less boxy rig. Perhaps a PT Cruiser or Jeep Cherokee. Although, Im still open to finding another manual transmission Dodge Caravan.The Caravans are hard to beat. Especially the 4 cyl manual. Even loaded with ladders and junk and driven most of the time with the foot near the floor, they manage to get 20-24 mpg. And they just keep on chugging. Should you break something, they're really cheap to fix. And Ive been off road, through deep snow, mud, fields, you name it. The only thing the offroading adventures have done is bend the oil pan :( Bad enough to wrinkle and spring a leak... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Drawbacks are: - when it rains you can't leave the side boxes open - for stuff way up in the front of the bed, you have to crawl into it (not so easy for me, fairly easy for my 22-yr-old son who uses it) I started out with a pickup (still have it, but don't use it for that) and stopped for each of those reasons. That getting stuff from the front of the bed was something I just hated. I've found an AWD cargo Caravan for sale. No windows in the back. With safety cage and I'd probably put in some cabinetry... That would work quite well. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle We bought our tower crew a 2006 Dodge Ram Extended Cab Truck, w/full Service Box on EBay for $8000 in August. It was a previous ATM service vehicle with 100,000 miles on it but was extremely clean. We did change a universal joint in a power shaft but other than that, there wasn't much wrong with it. Gas mileage is not so good, but it has been a great vehicle so far. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle 4 door Toyota Tacoma 4WD, 6ft bed: City 16/Hwy 20 Hugely expensive @ 28K new. When you go to buy one, tell them you will wait the 6 weeks it takes for one with nothing on it (service truck). My dealer rolled over and sold me a truck with everything on it for the gadget-less price. I added a ladder rack: http://www.kwikstand.info/US%20Rack/Side%20Mount%20Ladder%20Rack/ladder2a.j pg I like this one because I can make it disappear when needed. I also have a RAM mount: http://www.ram-mount.com/nodrillsystems/nodrillbases.htm for my laptop so it does not slide through my windshield. This setup seems to work pretty well for me. Low maintenance, US Built, good mileage, warm storage/people space in the back seat. ryan Josh Luthman wrote: What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Our bucket truck is a Dodge w/cummins and 6 speed.It gets around 16-17 mpg. The fuel is only part of the cost of a truck, though. Tires wear fast, cost a lot to replace... diesels cost more for oil and filter changes than gas rigs. However, it's nice to know that there's 325 HP under the hood and it's got go anywhere 4WD. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Fords have terrible mileage. Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9 (doesn't pull anything). Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with OEM software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly terrain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van. 11mpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Grin... My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it. Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15... And his excursion would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :) I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and trailer were 23K combined. Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted me 10.5 - 11 mpg . insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins... not so much pep compared to the new ones). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling. It used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's probably due for a tune up of some kind. It does have a custom chip exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY Diesel Dodge I've run across. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Fords have terrible mileage. Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9 (doesn't pull anything). Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with OEM software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly terrain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van. 11mpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OMG...
I dunno Marlon. There's nowhere to run. Everywhere else in the world is going to be worse off than here. A few days ago I read one of those investor intelligence sites and the author had pointed out that the middle east is buying gold. Hundreds of billions of dollars worth from many different nations. They're going to try to create a new gold-backed currency and demand everyone buy oil with their currency... for the rest of us that means gold. You know that won't work. Currently, money is fleeing the hedge funds and mutual funds and money market funds and is being tossed into federal bonds. That means, basically, that the world has stopped investing, and is likely out of cash or has decided to not part with it. It takes little to no imagination to realize that our government's not going to be able to borrow a lot more without running the interest rate up. At that point, if we print money... hyperinflation. If we don't, deflation. Either way, our industry is totaly dependent upon imports and imports are just not going to be happening if our money is worthless overseas. We'd be far wiser to invest in PRODUCTION capabilities here, so we can still have an industry. If you can't buy equipment, your business is hosed. What would it take to put something that's standardized and commoditized into production? I, for one, am paying off my home, cars, what little credit cards I have over the next 6 months. And not going to into debt again. Sadly, our governments (federal state and local) consume over 40% of everything we produce. We need to cut that back to half or less, so we can both invest and buy, and pay our debts as citizens and producers. and we need to let the non-productive stuff fold, and let everything that produces wealth go as unhindered as possible. But nobody is talking about that. Nope, they've whipped out the plastic and intend to spend 5 trillion this year alone, at the federal level... out of a 14 trillion dollar economy. It's insanity. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG... I'll be personally lobbying AGAINST the porkbarrle bill. Giving more money to the liars, cheats, and thieves that trashed consumer (stock market investors and purchasers) confidence in the first place isn't going to help anyone. In fact it's likely to make people hold on to their money even tighter. After nearly a decade of having a LOT of money on credit cards (some as high as 30%) we're paying off the first one in the next few days. Another one should fall in 2 or 3 months. By the end of the year, all things staying as they are now, we'll have nearly all of it paid off. Till now I've been building and building and building. Now I'm gonna pull that back a bit and go into survival mode. Even though things are NOT tight for us right now. If things really do go to hell in a hand basket I want to be ready for it. If they only go to hell I want to be ready to pick up my competitors at the fire sales. More government debt and/or money to my competitors won't make me spend money. And spending is what it'll take to get things rolling nicely again. So here's my plan. I'm gonna try to get this abomination stopped. If (actually when) I fail at that I'll work to make sure that I get as much of it as I can. They WILL spend it. Might as well come my direction. In the old days our forefathers ran to America to get away from oppressive government. Where are we supposed to run? Anyone want to help me start a colony on the moon? deep sigh Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG... On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:03 PM, RickG wrote: But...IF it collapses, your $200k is worthless :) That's what I meant by tails I win, heads you lose ;-). Chuck Also, you didnt say what time frame for the collapse to happen. Just my silly obsevation :) -RickG On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Tell ya what Mark. I'll bet you $10,000 the collapse won't happen. No, let's make it $100,000. Now, I'm serious! I'll even give you 2:1 odds. I'll give you $200,000 if it collapses. Deal? (Of course, ha gotta love these tales I win, heads you lose kind of bets ;-). Chuck On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:58 PM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Some of the financial and economic advisors I
Re: [WISPA] OMG...
How could it be off-topic? This list is soliciting money to lobby for pork barrell spending. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG... rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are in deadly serious mode and I believe them. They're saying that unless all this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness. And there are other financial and economic advisors who believe the opposite - that some short-term deficit spending will help bail the economy out. I don't have a doctorate in macroeconomics, and I'm assuming you don't either, so our opinions are both worth approximately nothing. In any event, it's probably off-topic for this list. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OMG...
Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are in deadly serious mode and I believe them. They're saying that unless all this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness. I can't believe a single one of us would be in favor of any of the pork barrell bills in Congress, much less raising money to lobby FOR them. You want to lobby AGAINST there being any pork bills, I'll donate if I can. If you're going to lobby for them, I can only surmise than none of you care about our future so long as you get your handout NOW. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
We assess things on a case by case. I've been on snow covered roofs before. I stay off the steep ones when it's wet or possibly frosty or icy. So far, we've only had a couple customers we've had to delay stuff for over the last year or two. cold? We got us a portable heater on a propane tank. just someting to warm the hands by... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
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[WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with my star-os AP's. They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even nicer??? The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible after you mount and aim it. Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No need for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. Opinion I like them. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Emailing: DSC_2282.JPG, DSC_2244.JPG, DSC_2251.JPG, DSC_2257.JPG, DSC_2262.JPG, DSC_2264.JPG, DSC_2270.JPG, DSC_2273.JPG
Sometimes. We had almost 30 inches for a short time around Christmas... I live at the base of the Blue Mountains. I may have bare ground, but 5 15 miles away will have 10 feet or more. Mark insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Emailing: DSC_2282.JPG, DSC_2244.JPG, DSC_2251.JPG, DSC_2257.JPG, DSC_2262.JPG, DSC_2264.JPG, DSC_2270.JPG, DSC_2273.JPG Mark Do you get much snow where you are? rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: That's got to be such a relief, compared to the heat of summer... :) http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/centerou.jpg That's how town looks in the summer... Geeze, I am thirsty and gotta go turn the heat down, just looking at it.. Hope nobody gets hurt dealing with it. Stay out from under the trees! We are having a mild version of the same here. A few years back, we had a doozy... There was nearly a half inch of ice on the ground, and the frost crystals on the antennas were 4-5 inches deep. A link with -63 RSSI faded to around -87 just from the frost building up. I've got this huge and very old locust tree out front of my house that's slowly dropping the branches off... A few years ago one broke off and smashed the back end of our minivan. did enough damage it went to the wrecking yard. Be careful, it's not worth getting hurt to keep the web pages loading :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Emailing: DSC_2282.JPG, DSC_2244.JPG, DSC_2251.JPG,DSC_2257.JPG, DSC_2262.JPG, DSC_2264.JPG, DSC_2270.JPG, DSC_2273.JPG This freezing fog is very pretty but boy is it making a mess of things up here! Found out that battery backup units die faster than they can be charged! I'm going to have to buy more generators. 2 isn't enough and the camper that I can access is still snowed in. The good news is that this is supposed to let up in a bit under a week. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
