Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I would be insterested as well On 3/17/07, Anthony Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would be interested in learning more about it. Anthony Broadband Corp. Russ Kreigh wrote: > Yeah, it's completely possible, and will work well, at least once, until > the batteries are gone and need to be recharged. > > The issue is the duty-cycle of the charger, your going from a 14ah to 100ah > charge load, the charger has to run 7-times as long to fully charge the > batteries, this may work fine with some higher end UPS, and some it might > burn up the charger. > > Another thing to make note of, is that most UPS systems run an internal 24V > system, and not a 12V system, so be SURE which one you're dealing with > before you start any modifications. > > We're in process of developing our own remote-site power solution. > Everything we've found is either too big physically, requiring expensive > outdoor enclosures, or doesn't have the run-time we desire, or is too > expensive. > > I think we've got the basic design down, we're adding things like a local > power input option, so that in a long extended outage we can drop the > generator off to charge the batteries and run the system, and when the > utility power is restored, it will switch back automatically. > > We're also looking into a direct 12v input from a vehicle cigarette lighter > output, or additional external batteries. > > Would anyone have any interest in this when we get it complete? > > Thanks, > > Russ Kreigh > Network Engineer > OnlyInternet.Net > Supernova Technologies > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of paul hendry > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org > Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > Scott, > > Surely it should be possible to replace 2 12v 7ah batteries run in > parallel (not series) with 1 12v 100ah battery as the voltage isn't > changing? With regards runtime I can just increase the external battery > count. > > Mac, don't worry I have no intention of putting my tongue on these > things to see if they charged ;) > > Cheers, > > P. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 02 March 2007 12:22 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the > original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery > risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. > > Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes > the runtime. > > paul hendry wrote: > >> Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got >> > an > >> old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is >> they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they >> are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those >> > > >> sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are >> > 2 > >> connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. >> >> Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries >> instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really >> > > >> want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. >> >> Cheers, >> >> P. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > On > >> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >> Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >> >> I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, >> > $100 > >> batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I >> have >> out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, >> > and > >> a >> 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get >> > > >> 13 >> hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. >> > My > >> goal >> is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a >> sensible >> price. >> >> One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to >> simply >> take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of >> > > >> the >> generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I would be interested in learning more about it. Anthony Broadband Corp. Russ Kreigh wrote: Yeah, it's completely possible, and will work well, at least once, until the batteries are gone and need to be recharged. The issue is the duty-cycle of the charger, your going from a 14ah to 100ah charge load, the charger has to run 7-times as long to fully charge the batteries, this may work fine with some higher end UPS, and some it might burn up the charger. Another thing to make note of, is that most UPS systems run an internal 24V system, and not a 12V system, so be SURE which one you're dealing with before you start any modifications. We're in process of developing our own remote-site power solution. Everything we've found is either too big physically, requiring expensive outdoor enclosures, or doesn't have the run-time we desire, or is too expensive. I think we've got the basic design down, we're adding things like a local power input option, so that in a long extended outage we can drop the generator off to charge the batteries and run the system, and when the utility power is restored, it will switch back automatically. We're also looking into a direct 12v input from a vehicle cigarette lighter output, or additional external batteries. Would anyone have any interest in this when we get it complete? Thanks, Russ Kreigh Network Engineer OnlyInternet.Net Supernova Technologies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul hendry Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Scott, Surely it should be possible to replace 2 12v 7ah batteries run in parallel (not series) with 1 12v 100ah battery as the voltage isn't changing? With regards runtime I can just increase the external battery count. Mac, don't worry I have no intention of putting my tongue on these things to see if they charged ;) Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 March 2007 12:22 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes the runtime. paul hendry wrote: Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donro
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yes, especially if it would have multiple power taps. We are working on some stuff that would might need 12, 24 and 48 volts DC. John >-Original Message- >From: Russ Kreigh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:18 AM >To: ''WISPA General List'' >Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > >Yeah, it's completely possible, and will work well, at least once, until >the batteries are gone and need to be recharged. > >The issue is the duty-cycle of the charger, your going from a 14ah to 100ah >charge load, the charger has to run 7-times as long to fully charge the >batteries, this may work fine with some higher end UPS, and some it might >burn up the charger. > >Another thing to make note of, is that most UPS systems run an internal 24V >system, and not a 12V system, so be SURE which one you're dealing with >before you start any modifications. > >We're in process of developing our own remote-site power solution. >Everything we've found is either too big physically, requiring expensive >outdoor enclosures, or doesn't have the run-time we desire, or is too >expensive. > >I think we've got the basic design down, we're adding things like a local >power input option, so that in a long extended outage we can drop the >generator off to charge the batteries and run the system, and when the >utility power is restored, it will switch back automatically. > >We're also looking into a direct 12v input from a vehicle cigarette lighter >output, or additional external batteries. > >Would anyone have any interest in this when we get it complete? > >Thanks, > >Russ Kreigh >Network Engineer >OnlyInternet.Net >Supernova Technologies > > > >-Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of paul hendry >Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:09 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org >Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >Scott, > >Surely it should be possible to replace 2 12v 7ah batteries run in >parallel (not series) with 1 12v 100ah battery as the voltage isn't >changing? With regards runtime I can just increase the external battery >count. > >Mac, don't worry I have no intention of putting my tongue on these >things to see if they charged ;) > >Cheers, > >P. > >-Original Message- >From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 02 March 2007 12:22 >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the >original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery >risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. > >Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes >the runtime. > >paul hendry wrote: >> Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got >an >> old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is >> they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they >> are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those > >> sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are >2 >> connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. >> >> Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries >> instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really > >> want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. >> >> Cheers, >> >> P. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On >> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >> Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >> >> I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, >$100 >> batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I >> have >> out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, >and >> a >> 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get > >> 13 >> hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. >My >> goal >> is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a >> sensible >> price. >> >> One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to >> simply >> take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of > >> the >> generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged u
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
inline... >-Original Message- >From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, March 2, 2007 04:22 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the >original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery >risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. This is partly true. Some of the larger APC UPSes can have additional batteries added on, but there are limits to the number of additional battery packs you can add. > >Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes >the runtime. > >paul hendry wrote: >> Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an >> old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is >> they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they >> are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those >> sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 >> connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. >> >> Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries >> instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really >> want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. >> >> Cheers, >> >> P. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >> Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >> >> I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 >> batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I >> have >> out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and >> a >> 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get >> 13 >> hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My >> goal >> is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a >> sensible >> price. >> >> One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to >> simply >> take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of >> the >> generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. >> It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY >> 1000w >> generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS >> is >> not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) >> >> Mark Nash >> Network Engineer >> UnwiredOnline.Net >> 350 Holly Street >> Junction City, OR 97448 >> http://www.uwol.net >> 541-998- >> 541-998-5599 fax >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >> >> >> >>> I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. >>> Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread >>> >>> Connectors: >>> >>> http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 >>> >>> Batteries: >>> >>> http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? >>>> Gino, >>>> Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect >>>>> >> the >> >>>>> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >>>>> >>>>> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big >>>>> >> batteries >> >>>>> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 >>>>> >> pounds). >> >>>>> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >>>>> >>>>> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >>>>> locatio
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yeah, it's completely possible, and will work well, at least once, until the batteries are gone and need to be recharged. The issue is the duty-cycle of the charger, your going from a 14ah to 100ah charge load, the charger has to run 7-times as long to fully charge the batteries, this may work fine with some higher end UPS, and some it might burn up the charger. Another thing to make note of, is that most UPS systems run an internal 24V system, and not a 12V system, so be SURE which one you're dealing with before you start any modifications. We're in process of developing our own remote-site power solution. Everything we've found is either too big physically, requiring expensive outdoor enclosures, or doesn't have the run-time we desire, or is too expensive. I think we've got the basic design down, we're adding things like a local power input option, so that in a long extended outage we can drop the generator off to charge the batteries and run the system, and when the utility power is restored, it will switch back automatically. We're also looking into a direct 12v input from a vehicle cigarette lighter output, or additional external batteries. Would anyone have any interest in this when we get it complete? Thanks, Russ Kreigh Network Engineer OnlyInternet.Net Supernova Technologies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paul hendry Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Scott, Surely it should be possible to replace 2 12v 7ah batteries run in parallel (not series) with 1 12v 100ah battery as the voltage isn't changing? With regards runtime I can just increase the external battery count. Mac, don't worry I have no intention of putting my tongue on these things to see if they charged ;) Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 March 2007 12:22 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes the runtime. paul hendry wrote: > Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an > old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is > they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they > are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those > sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 > connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. > > Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries > instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really > want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. > > Cheers, > > P. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 > batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I > have > out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and > a > 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get > 13 > hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My > goal > is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a > sensible > price. > > One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to > simply > take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of > the > generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. > It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY > 1000w > generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS > is > not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > - Original Message - > From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > > >> I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. >> Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread >> &
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Scott, Surely it should be possible to replace 2 12v 7ah batteries run in parallel (not series) with 1 12v 100ah battery as the voltage isn't changing? With regards runtime I can just increase the external battery count. Mac, don't worry I have no intention of putting my tongue on these things to see if they charged ;) Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 March 2007 12:22 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes the runtime. paul hendry wrote: > Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an > old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is > they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they > are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those > sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 > connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. > > Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries > instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really > want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. > > Cheers, > > P. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 > batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I > have > out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and > a > 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get > 13 > hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My > goal > is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a > sensible > price. > > One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to > simply > take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of > the > generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. > It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY > 1000w > generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS > is > not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > - Original Message - > From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > > >> I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. >> Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread >> >> Connectors: >> >> http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 >> >> Batteries: >> >> http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html >> >> >> >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >> >> >>> Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? >>> Gino, >>> Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect >>>> > the > >>>> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >>>> >>>> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big >>>> > batteries > >>>> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 >>>> > pounds). > >>>> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >>>> >>>> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >>>> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? >>>>> >>>
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Paul, I do this with all of my Compaq 3000R UPS's in the NOC. I can't help but warn you that these batteries when connected in a series will kill you (literally put you in the ground 6' deep) as the DC voltage has more than enough amps to do this. I accidentally touched my battery case with the "hot" wire and it threw sparks like I had a huge welder on the NOC! It made my Mules rare straight up! Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes the runtime. paul hendry wrote: > Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an > old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is > they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they > are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those > sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 > connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. > > Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries > instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really > want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. > > Cheers, > > P. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 > batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I > have > out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and > a > 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get > 13 > hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My > goal > is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a > sensible > price. > > One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to > simply > take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of > the > generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. > It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY > 1000w > generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS > is > not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998-5555 > 541-998-5599 fax > > - Original Message - > From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > > >> I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. >> Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread >> >> Connectors: >> >> http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 >> >> Batteries: >> >> http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html >> >> >> >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >> >> >>> Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? >>> Gino, >>> Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect >>>> > the > >>>> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >>>> >>>> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big >>>> > batteries > >>>> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 >>>> > pounds). > >>>> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >>>> >>>> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >>>> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>>> >>>>
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes the runtime. paul hendry wrote: Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. > Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread > > Connectors: > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 > > Batteries: > > http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html > > > > Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > > > Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? > > Gino, > > Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? > > > > Brian > > > > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the > >> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. > >> > >> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries > >> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). > >> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). > >> > >> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various > >> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. > >> > >> Travis > >> Microserv > >> > >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > >> > >>> You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? > >>> > >>> Travis, > >>> What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw > >>> and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with > >>> the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> Travis Johnson wrote: > >>> > >>>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so > >>>> you need two batteries running in series. > >>>> > >>>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two > >>>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on > >>>> the positive side of the connection. > >>>> > >>>> Travis > >>>> Microserv > >>>> > >>>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > >>>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it > >>>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously > >>>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle > >>>>> battery. Any ideas? > >>>>> > >>>>&
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
We've done it two ways: 1. Electric -> Power converter/charger ->12V Batteries -> DC regulator -> DC radios: no AC power adapters 2. Electric -> Power converter/charger ->12V Batteries -> DC regulator -> DC-to-AC converter -> AC power adapters so we use the DC setup to isolate AC lightning danger. Mario Rick Smith wrote: stupid question. Normally, power supplies convert from AC to DC. If you wire DC into an outlet, and plug an AC power supply into it, will it just cut down the DC to whatever that P/S is supposed to provide to the POE unit, and pass the rest ? i.e. Solar 48V -> 24V Batteries -> 24VDC -> Outlets w/"normal" AC P/Ss plugged into them outputting 5vdc to an AP or the like - will it work ? I imagine it will, albeit terribly inefficient... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Looking for the most efficient use of the battery power and the kit to achieve it. Old APC's are easy enough to track down on ebay but normally only have standard AC outputs so I'm guessing you would connect both an APC and Ethernet direct to the batteries? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: 24 November 2006 19:04 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Yes, Paul. What are you looking for? Mario Paul Hendry wrote: Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the tower? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
It certainly won't work with a linear power supply- the transformer at the input will not accept a DC input. I'm not 100% sure whether it will work with a switching mode power supply. Most likely not because the input voltage would be below the rated AC input voltage. Also the input rectifier may not be able to pass a continuous DC current without burning up. Use a DC-DC converter intended for this purpose. Patrick Rick Smith wrote: stupid question. Normally, power supplies convert from AC to DC. If you wire DC into an outlet, and plug an AC power supply into it, will it just cut down the DC to whatever that P/S is supposed to provide to the POE unit, and pass the rest ? i.e. Solar 48V -> 24V Batteries -> 24VDC -> Outlets w/"normal" AC P/Ss plugged into them outputting 5vdc to an AP or the like - will it work ? I imagine it will, albeit terribly inefficient... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Looking for the most efficient use of the battery power and the kit to achieve it. Old APC's are easy enough to track down on ebay but normally only have standard AC outputs so I'm guessing you would connect both an APC and Ethernet direct to the batteries? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: 24 November 2006 19:04 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Yes, Paul. What are you looking for? Mario Paul Hendry wrote: Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the tower? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
stupid question. Normally, power supplies convert from AC to DC. If you wire DC into an outlet, and plug an AC power supply into it, will it just cut down the DC to whatever that P/S is supposed to provide to the POE unit, and pass the rest ? i.e. Solar 48V -> 24V Batteries -> 24VDC -> Outlets w/"normal" AC P/Ss plugged into them outputting 5vdc to an AP or the like - will it work ? I imagine it will, albeit terribly inefficient... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Looking for the most efficient use of the battery power and the kit to achieve it. Old APC's are easy enough to track down on ebay but normally only have standard AC outputs so I'm guessing you would connect both an APC and Ethernet direct to the batteries? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: 24 November 2006 19:04 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Yes, Paul. What are you looking for? Mario Paul Hendry wrote: >Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly >into >cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up >the tower? > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Ron Wallace >Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19 >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >Thanks Brian > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM >>To: 'WISPA General List' >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >> >>I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. >>Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread >> >>Connectors: >> >>http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 >> >>Batteries: >> >>http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html >> >> >> >>Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >> >> >> >>>Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? >>>Gino, >>>Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? >>> >>>Brian >>> >>> >>>Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect >>>>the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >>>> >>>>We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries >>>>(a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). >>>>We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >>>> >>>>This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >>>>locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. >>>> >>>>Travis >>>>Microserv >>>> >>>>Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? >>>>> >>>>>Travis, >>>>>What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw >>>>>and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with >>>>>the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? >>>>> >>>>>Brian >>>>> >>>>>Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so >>>>>>you need two batteries running in series. >>>>>> >>>>>>It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >>>>>>gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on >>>>>>the positive side of the connection. >>>>>> >>>>>>Travis >>>>>>Microserv >>>>>> >>>>>>Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting >>>>>>>an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it >>>>>>>right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously >>>>>>
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Looking for the most efficient use of the battery power and the kit to achieve it. Old APC's are easy enough to track down on ebay but normally only have standard AC outputs so I'm guessing you would connect both an APC and Ethernet direct to the batteries? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: 24 November 2006 19:04 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Yes, Paul. What are you looking for? Mario Paul Hendry wrote: >Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into >cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the >tower? > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Ron Wallace >Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19 >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >Thanks Brian > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM >>To: 'WISPA General List' >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >> >>I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. >>Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread >> >>Connectors: >> >>http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 >> >>Batteries: >> >>http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html >> >> >> >>Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >> >> >> >>>Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? >>>Gino, >>>Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? >>> >>>Brian >>> >>> >>>Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the >>>>positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >>>> >>>>We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries >>>>(a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). >>>>We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >>>> >>>>This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >>>>locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. >>>> >>>>Travis >>>>Microserv >>>> >>>>Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? >>>>> >>>>>Travis, >>>>>What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw >>>>>and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with >>>>>the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? >>>>> >>>>>Brian >>>>> >>>>>Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so >>>>>>you need two batteries running in series. >>>>>> >>>>>>It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >>>>>>gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on >>>>>>the positive side of the connection. >>>>>> >>>>>>Travis >>>>>>Microserv >>>>>> >>>>>>Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>>>>>>external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it >>>>>>>right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously >>>>>>>with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle >>>>>>>battery. Any ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mark Nash >>>>>>>Network Engineer >>>>>>>UnwiredOnline.Net >>>>>>>350 Holly Street >>>>>>>Junction City, OR 97448 >>>>>>>http://www.uwol.net >>>>>>>541-998- >>>>>>>541-998-5599 fax >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>-- >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.15/550 - Release Date: 24/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yes, Paul. What are you looking for? Mario Paul Hendry wrote: Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the tower? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the tower? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Thanks Brian >-Original Message- >From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. >Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread > >Connectors: > >http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 > >Batteries: > >http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html > > > >Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > >> Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? >> Gino, >> Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? >> >> Brian >> >> >> Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the >>> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >>> >>> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries >>> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). >>> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >>> >>> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >>> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>> >>>> You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? >>>> >>>> Travis, >>>> What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw >>>> and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with >>>> the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so >>>>> you need two batteries running in series. >>>>> >>>>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >>>>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on >>>>> the positive side of the connection. >>>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> Microserv >>>>> >>>>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>>>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it >>>>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously >>>>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle >>>>>> battery. Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark Nash >>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>>>>> 350 Holly Street >>>>>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>>>>> http://www.uwol.net >>>>>> 541-998- >>>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>>> >>>>>> >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 16/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Thanks Brian >-Original Message- >From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. >Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread > >Connectors: > >http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 > >Batteries: > >http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html > > > >Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > >> Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? >> Gino, >> Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? >> >> Brian >> >> >> Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the >>> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >>> >>> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries >>> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). >>> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >>> >>> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >>> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>> >>>> You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? >>>> >>>> Travis, >>>> What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw >>>> and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with >>>> the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so >>>>> you need two batteries running in series. >>>>> >>>>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >>>>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on >>>>> the positive side of the connection. >>>>> >>>>> Travis >>>>> Microserv >>>>> >>>>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>>>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it >>>>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously >>>>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle >>>>>> battery. Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark Nash >>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>>>>> 350 Holly Street >>>>>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>>>>> http://www.uwol.net >>>>>> 541-998- >>>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>>> >>>>>> >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19" TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. > Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread > > Connectors: > > http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 > > Batteries: > > http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html > > > > Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > > > Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? > > Gino, > > Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? > > > > Brian > > > > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the > >> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. > >> > >> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries > >> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). > >> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). > >> > >> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various > >> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. > >> > >> Travis > >> Microserv > >> > >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > >> > >>> You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? > >>> > >>> Travis, > >>> What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw > >>> and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with > >>> the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? > >>> > >>> Brian > >>> > >>> Travis Johnson wrote: > >>> > >>>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so > >>>> you need two batteries running in series. > >>>> > >>>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two > >>>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on > >>>> the positive side of the connection. > >>>> > >>>> Travis > >>>> Microserv > >>>> > >>>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > >>>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it > >>>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously > >>>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle > >>>>> battery. Any ideas? > >>>>> > >>>>> Mark Nash > >>>>> Network Engineer > >>>>> UnwiredOnline.Net > >>>>> 350 Holly Street > >>>>> Junction City, OR 97448 > >>>>> http://www.uwol.net > >>>>> 541-998- > >>>>> 541-998-5599 fax > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Oops too much coronas Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? > Gino, > Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? > > Brian > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the >> positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. >> >> We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries >> (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). >> We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). >> >> This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various >> locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >> >>> You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? >>> >>> Travis, >>> What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw >>> and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with >>> the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so >>>> you need two batteries running in series. >>>> >>>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >>>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on >>>> the positive side of the connection. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>>> >>>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it >>>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously >>>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle >>>>> battery. Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Mark Nash >>>>> Network Engineer >>>>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>>>> 350 Holly Street >>>>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>>>> http://www.uwol.net >>>>> 541-998- >>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>> >>>>> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yeah, we do the same, remove the internal batt and replace with 2 AGM 100 am batts. We bought a bunch of the DC block connectors that match the internal apc batt connector Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Tom, We remove the internal batteries completely. The only batteries connected are the large AGM type. We purchased 20 of them off ebay about 2 years ago. The batteries were $50 each, and shipping was $50 each. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: > Travis, > > Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you > don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick > your preferred external ones? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > >> Hi, >> >> Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). >> They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if >> the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but >> well worth it. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >>> How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I >>> don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is >>> pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep >>> cells in there? >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini wrote: >>> >>>> Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the >>>> APC unit? I >>>> do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, >>>> so if this >>>> is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series >>>> >>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>>> >>>> APC SUNET700. 1 battery. >>>> >>>> Mark Nash >>>> Network Engineer >>>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>>> 350 Holly Street >>>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>>> http://www.uwol.net >>>> 541-998- >>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>> - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM >>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? >>>>> >>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>>>> >>>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>>>> external >>>>> battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now >>>>> and am >>>>> having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad >>>>> battery' >>>>> light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Mark Nash >>>>> Network Engineer >>>>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>>>> 350 Holly Street >>>>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>>>> http://www.uwol.net >>>>> 541-998- >>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Tom, We remove the internal batteries completely. The only batteries connected are the large AGM type. We purchased 20 of them off ebay about 2 years ago. The batteries were $50 each, and shipping was $50 each. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick your preferred external ones? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Hi, Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well worth it. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Thanks Travis, Brian, Mark & Gino - this thread answers the questions I had about adding batteries to the UPS's. >-Original Message- >From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 01:59 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >Hi, > >Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). >They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the >case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well >worth it. > >Travis >Microserv > >Brian Rohrbacher wrote: >> How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I >> don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is >> pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep >> cells in there? >> >> Brian >> >> Gino A. Villarini wrote: >> >>> Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC >>> unit? I >>> do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so >>> if this >>> is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series >>> >>> Gino A. Villarini >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>> >>> APC SUNET700. 1 battery. >>> >>> Mark Nash >>> Network Engineer >>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>> 350 Holly Street >>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>> http://www.uwol.net >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? >>>> >>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>>> >>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>>> external >>>> battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am >>>> having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' >>>> light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? >>>> >>>> Mark Nash >>>> Network Engineer >>>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>>> 350 Holly Street >>>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>>> http://www.uwol.net >>>> 541-998- >>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Travis, What is the Manuf, Model of these gel cels, and where do you get them. additionally, is this a simple setup, just tie them in to the existing UPS. I have a Minuteman online 2000VA, only 2 batteries and they are small. Can I set these Batts in the Equip Bldg in a "pan" and let them exist w/ active equip? I'm in Michigan and it gets fairly cold in Winter. >-Original Message- >From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:25 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked >OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle >that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and >are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. > >We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on >two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 >hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port >switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) > >Travis >Microserv > >Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to >> use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will >> last with constantly being charged by the UPS? >> >> Mark Nash >> Network Engineer >> UnwiredOnline.Net >> 350 Holly Street >> Junction City, OR 97448 >> http://www.uwol.net >> 541-998- >> 541-998-5599 fax >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >> >> >>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you >>> need two batteries running in series. >>> >>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the >>> positive side of the connection. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right >>>> now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the >>>> 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> Mark Nash >>>> Network Engineer >>>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>>> 350 Holly Street >>>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>>> http://www.uwol.net >>>> 541-998- >>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Travis, Do any of these APC models, comes WITHOUT internal batteries, so you don't have to worry about matching up the battery types, and just pick your preferred external ones? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Hi, Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well worth it. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yes. Gino A. Villarini wrote: Ok, so you put 4 when you use 2 AGM on series ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS We adjust the number of "external batteries" in the APC configuration settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have installed and it seems pretty accurate. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it accurate? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Ok, so you put 4 when you use 2 AGM on series ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS We adjust the number of "external batteries" in the APC configuration settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have installed and it seems pretty accurate. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it > accurate? > > Brian > > Travis Johnson wrote: > >> We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They >> worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel >> deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 >> pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. >> >> We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running >> on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows >> another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP >> 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> >>> Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want >>> to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that >>> will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? >>> >>> Mark Nash >>> Network Engineer >>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>> 350 Holly Street >>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>> http://www.uwol.net >>> 541-998-5555 >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS >>> >>> >>>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so >>>> you need two batteries running in series. >>>> >>>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >>>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on >>>> the positive side of the connection. >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>>> >>>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it >>>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously >>>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle >>>>> battery. Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Mark Nash >>>>> Network Engineer >>>>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>>>> 350 Holly Street >>>>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>>>> http://www.uwol.net >>>>> 541-998- >>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
We adjust the number of "external batteries" in the APC configuration settings. Usually we set it to 2x the number of actual batteries we have installed and it seems pretty accurate. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it accurate? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Hi, Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well worth it. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 "storage shed" which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
The SNMP interface you can get for it. Web/telnet/ssh/snmp interface. I love the one from APC. I can reboot a tower site from my blackberry! Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it > accurate? > > Brian > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked > > OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle > > that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each > > and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. > > > > We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running > > on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another > > 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port > > switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > > > >> Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to > >> use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will > >> last with constantly being charged by the UPS? > >> > >> Mark Nash > >> Network Engineer > >> UnwiredOnline.Net > >> 350 Holly Street > >> Junction City, OR 97448 > >> http://www.uwol.net > >> 541-998- > >> 541-998-5599 fax > >> - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > >> > >> > >>> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so > >>> you need two batteries running in series. > >>> > >>> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two > >>> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the > >>> positive side of the connection. > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> Microserv > >>> > >>> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > >>> > >>>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > >>>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it > >>>> right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously > >>>> with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle > >>>> battery. Any ideas? > >>>> > >>>> Mark Nash > >>>> Network Engineer > >>>> UnwiredOnline.Net > >>>> 350 Holly Street > >>>> Junction City, OR 97448 > >>>> http://www.uwol.net > >>>> 541-998- > >>>> 541-998-5599 fax > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
What is used to tell you how much runtime is left? Have you found it accurate? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Interesting article on gel vs flooded vs agm batteries..also read the cooling stats http://www.vonwentzel.net/Battery/01.Type/index.html chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I've been putting the new gel cell units in my boat. The kids are always leaving something on so the battery has been drained and charged a number of times. Still working great. I get them at Napa. Deep cycle with really good cold cranking amps. I think the one's I've been buying are around $120 or so. I'm putting them in every rig here these days because they've worked so well on the boat. So far, so good. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to > use > are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with > constantly being charged by the UPS? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > >> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you >> need two batteries running in series. >> >> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >> gel >> type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive >> side of the connection. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now >>> and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad >>> battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? >>> >>> Mark Nash >>> Network Engineer >>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>> 350 Holly Street >>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>> http://www.uwol.net >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> >>> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
I've been putting the new gel cell units in my boat. The kids are always leaving something on so the battery has been drained and charged a number of times. Still working great. I get them at Napa. Deep cycle with really good cold cranking amps. I think the one's I've been buying are around $120 or so. I'm putting them in every rig here these days because they've worked so well on the boat. So far, so good. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Here is the battery. Got a 5 year warrranty. http://www.lifelinebatteries.com/rvflyer.php?id=2 Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > $200 each ? what is the specs on this batts? We pay about $160 for AGM 105 > ah batts > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:36 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use > are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with > constantly being charged by the UPS? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > > > You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need > > > two batteries running in series. > > > > It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel > > type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive > > side of the connection. > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > >> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > >> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now > >> and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad > >> battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? > >> > >> Mark Nash > >> Network Engineer > >> UnwiredOnline.Net > >> 350 Holly Street > >> Junction City, OR 97448 > >> http://www.uwol.net > >> 541-998- > >> 541-998-5599 fax > >> > >> > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Travis, do you guys make any special configs on the UPS units ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to > use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will > last with constantly being charged by the UPS? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > >> You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you >> need two batteries running in series. >> >> It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two >> gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the >> positive side of the connection. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >>> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right >>> now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the >>> 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Mark Nash >>> Network Engineer >>> UnwiredOnline.Net >>> 350 Holly Street >>> Junction City, OR 97448 >>> http://www.uwol.net >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> >>> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
You will also want to use a battery that has similar characteristics as the batteries that are already in it. Not all batteries charge and disipate at the same rate. So you would need to know what batteries are in it already and then compare manufacturer's detail specs. Otherwise what happens is a year down the road, one set of batteries work and the other set of batteries deteriorates, and your run-time goes way way down. A lot of people don't realize this, if they do not have a lot of power failures. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
$200 each ? what is the specs on this batts? We pay about $160 for AGM 105 ah batts Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need > two batteries running in series. > > It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel > type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive > side of the connection. > > Travis > Microserv > > Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an >> external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now >> and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad >> battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? >> >> Mark Nash >> Network Engineer >> UnwiredOnline.Net >> 350 Holly Street >> Junction City, OR 97448 >> http://www.uwol.net >> 541-998- >> 541-998-5599 fax >> >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > > I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an > external > battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am > having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' > light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Yeah - plug it in and turn it on before you try to run off of batteries :) JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external > battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am > having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' > light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 11/13/2006 8:56 PM > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Mark, Check this thread out at dslreports.com. There are some Pic as well. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14779653~days=~start=20 Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS > I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external > battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am > having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' > light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] External battery on UPS
I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
