Re: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

[Chuck Profito]

try Oregon Scientific Full Weather Station WMR80 / WMR80A


 I think one of these has a Ethernet port


 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

 

I am looking for inexpensive, network aware weather sensors...

Maybe temp, wind speed and wind direction to start.

Other data would be useful as well.

I want to put these on my towers and then aggregate the data on our webpage.

Ideas?

This is a small project and it can't go much over $100-200 per location.

Blair




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Re: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

[Bret Clark]

Reminds me of my favorite weather site where you can get real-time 
weather statistics from other users who have purchased online weather 
stations.


http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?

On 09/21/2010 03:25 AM, Chuck Profito wrote:



  try Oregon Scientific Full Weather Station WMR80 / WMR80A


   I think one of these has a Ethernet port

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Blair Davis

*Sent:* Monday, September 20, 2010 11:47 PM
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Weather Sensors

I am looking for inexpensive, network aware weather sensors...

Maybe temp, wind speed and wind direction to start.

Other data would be useful as well.

I want to put these on my towers and then aggregate the data on our 
webpage.


Ideas?

This is a small project and it can't go much over $100-200 per location.

Blair





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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Bob Moldashel]

Call Estex Manufacturing.  They can make a canvas nose bag with reinforced  
rigid walls


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Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

[Jason Hensley]

We've started doing the door hangars as well.  When we do an install,
installer will put a hanger on neighbors doors where we KNOW we can get them
service.  Beats all of the unknown "random" callers that we have to go a
site survey before we know if we can service them. 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

 

We door hang.  For sure links, we hang a flyer on their door on the OUTSIDE
of their mailbox  Never the inside, bad mojo with the post office by
putting INSIDE the box.  We use the circle sticklers by Avery and print them
up on the laser printer.  Essentially.  FREE! 

 

As Blair condensed, Newspaper sucks,. Road signs, forget about it.  Direct
mail, $$$  Tried billboards ONCE, YIKE$!  

 

The door hanging gives us the biggest bang for the buck by far.

 

 

I like cheap.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Most effective Marketing / Advertisement

 

for us...

Newspaper  -- 1  ...  24 weeks... 2 responses
road signs  -- 5  if by this you mean yard signs like real estate agents use
Direct mail  -- 9  But see below...
demo trucks  -- never tried
billboards  --  never tried
word of mouth  --  9

We started direct mail this year...  But we do it differently than many.

we drive by and record addresses and rate them as low cost, medium cost or
high cost install.

Then we mail pre-qualified for service flyer's to all the low cost ones
offering $50 off the install good for 2-4 weeks.

The response rate is around 4%



Marco Coelho wrote: 

What have been the most effective Marketing or Advertising tools some
of you have used?
 
Rated 0-10, 0 being worst, 10 being Best
 
For us:
 
Newspaper Advertisement --  0
Road Signs -- 7
Direct Mail -- 2
Demo Trucks -- 5
Billboards -- 3
Word of Mouth -- 7
 
 
 
 
 
  

 




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Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching

[Marco Coelho]

I still remember using a 4 bit microprocessor (4004 and 4040).




On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:05 PM, RickG  wrote:
> I thought you were a 2 bit operator :P
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a 2 bit operation.
>>
>> Really.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:43 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kernel Patching
>>
>>  There's a difference between a 2 bit operation and 2 bit code.  :-p
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/2010 6:51 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
>> > Thanks for the update.  Thank goodness I run only 2 bit code!
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Glenn Kelley
>> >  wrote:
>> >> Just a heads up.
>> >> Those of you who are running Debian, CentOS, RedHat and other systems
>> >> similar.
>> >> There is a pretty big security flaw on the 64 bit side of these
>> >> systems now labeled as
>> >>
>> >> CVE-2010-3081
>> >>
>> >> In short
>> >> The flaw identified by CVE-2010-3081 (Red Hat Bugzilla bug 634457)
>> >> describes an issue in the 32/64-bit compatibility layer
>> >> implementation in the Linux kernel, versions 2.6.26-rc1 to
>> >> 2.6.36-rc4. The compat_alloc_user_space() function is missing a
>> >> sanity check on the length argument, and also a check to make sure
>> >> the pointer to the block of memory in user-space that the process is
>> >> attempting to write to is valid. This flaw was addressed via the
>> >> upstream
>> git commit c41d68a5 for the 2.6 Linux kernel.
>> >> This function could be abused in other areas of the Linux kernel if
>> >> the length argument can be controlled from user-space. A known
>> >> example of this is the compat_mc_getsockopt() function for
>> >> MCAST_MSFILTER that was introduced in upstream git commit 42908c69
>> (v2.6.26-rc1).
>> >> You can easily fix this by implementing the patch located here:
>> >>
>>
>> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=
>> c41d68a513c71e35a14f66d71782d27a79a81ea6.
>> >> As always - if you are stuck -please do not hesitate to contact me
>> >> offlist - while the patch is from 9/19/10 - many wispa's have not
>> >> patched their systems simply because they don't know they needed to.
>> >> As always - when in doubt check the security lists out :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _
>> >>  Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic
>> >> |www.HostMedic.com
>> >>    Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
>> >> Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

[Dennis Burgess]

Kinda kewl ..  Wondering if you did mount them to your tower, what would
be the max height you should place it at ? 

 

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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training 
- Author of "Learn RouterOS"  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:57 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Sensors

 

Reminds me of my favorite weather site where you can get real-time
weather statistics from other users who have purchased online weather
stations. 

http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?

On 09/21/2010 03:25 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: 


try Oregon Scientific Full Weather Station WMR80 / WMR80A 


 I think one of these has a Ethernet port 


  

  

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Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Weather Sensors 

  

I am looking for inexpensive, network aware weather sensors...

Maybe temp, wind speed and wind direction to start.

Other data would be useful as well.

I want to put these on my towers and then aggregate the data on our
webpage.

Ideas?

This is a small project and it can't go much over $100-200 per location.

Blair 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

[Charles n wyble]

I use pfsense as my edge and core router and am happy with it.

Hoping to turn up the initial socalwifi nodes this weekend. These will back 
haul through pfsense. So I will get a better sense of how it scales. 

"Glenn Kelley"  wrote:

>Tom - 
>
>I think no matter what the solution is - it really comes down to the following:
>
>a.   What you know and can do yourself. 
>b.   What you can obtain support for for free 
>c.   What you can obtain support for paid 
>d.   Overall ROI (free does not mean free ! ) 
>
>
>
>I can see your point - we use pfsense in those cases where microtik would make 
>sense - 
>
>Why - because it is very easy - runs on basically anything that microtik would 
>- and the gui is much more user friendly.
>PLUS - the cli makes complete sense - supports full BGP as well as many other 
>routing protocols. 
>
>We moved from using the more expensive options - like Cisco - and chose vyatta 
>simply because their support is next to none. 
>We had an issue @ 2AM - and had a call back by 2:15AM by 2:30 we were back up 
>and running. 
>
>Experience like that with Cisco - or Microtik - well we just have never found. 
>
>Have you played with pfsense?
>have you played with vyatta?
>
>having used all 3 I can tell you microtik is for me the last choice.
>
>
>
>On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>> I have to disagree.  Except I'm arguing the opposite on Mikrotik's side.
>>  
>> There is nothing free about Vyatta for a commerical WISP. Mikrotik is much 
>> much less expensive. Low Price is a major reason to use Mikrotik over Vyatta.
>> I do not mean this as a negative comment about Vyatta, as Vyatta makes a 
>> good product and has a strong support team. Its understandable that good 
>> people tend to charge for quality support.
>>  
>> My point here is that a Commerical ISP would be a fool to use Vyatta Free 
>> addition for any serious commercial application. There are many reasons for 
>> that. For example, having to wait 6 months for a bug fix is way to long, 
>> expecially if its a new BGP vulnerabilty that will crash your BGP within 
>> minutes.  Or maybe its when you need to upgrade to the next version, and you 
>> learn that its not possible to upgrade the FREE version, unless you reload 
>> from scratch and reconfigure from scratch, which means lots and lots of long 
>> down time for core routers.  I'd highly recommend that Providers use the 
>> PAID version of Vyatta, if VYatta being used for anything serious.
>> Vyatta license is like $600-$900 per year, NOT $45 for life of next couple 
>> versions like MIkrotik offers.
>>  
>> I'm just saying, lets keep it real Its not fair to compare a 
>> non-supported open source old version product (Vyatta) with a commercially 
>> supported product (Mikrotik).
>> Vyatta is a premium product (based on support) and they charge accordingly.  
>> Mikrotik on the other hand is a value product. I'm not aware of any otehr 
>> product on the market that offers a more complete advanced router product 
>> for such a low price.  Its insane how inexpensive Mikrotik is for what it 
>> delivers, in the "router" market. 
>>  
>> Many argue Vyatta Free edition is fine for a single client appliance. Maybe 
>> so.  Although, a fast processor Routerboard costs under $100, and w/ Vyatta 
>> it will need more expensive PC like hardware which will far exceed teh 
>> Mikrotik License costs.  So anyway you slice it Vyatta is more expensive.  
>> Where Vyatta can compete is on High capacity multi-Gig routers, but at a 
>> yearly reoccuring price.   
>>  
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Dennis Burgess
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
>> 
>> If you look at the two just from a cost perspective, the x86 for Vyatta is 
>> Free, RouterOS would be just $45 bucks for their license.  FREE vs $45 
>> bucks.  Just saying that MT is SO cheap, I would not let that little cost to 
>> make a difference in the comparison. 
>>  
>> ---
>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>  
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:01 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik
>>  
>> We use vyatta a great bit - 
>> if you want any advice for it - hit me up offlist.
>>  
>> Microtik is $$$ vyatta can be - but their opensource is FREE 
>> really nice application. 
>>  
>>  
>> On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Vyatta has a cool product line.  Their open source version is free.  They
>> have a paid product

[WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

[Georges-Keny PAUL]

Hello all,

Some people of the list, like Robert West, Glenn Kelley and of
course Matt Jenkins, strongly recommended me this list for my “case”.

We are located in Haiti. My team is working on technical and technological
specifications of a document for the deployment of Internet service on
public frequencies in rural areas. We welcome your thoughts on the topic in
terms of previous experiences and, well sure, you recommendation in terms of
equipment. You should note that the environment in question is very
mountainous with very precarious infrastructure conditions: no electricity,
poor access, etc. We would like to deploy a service at minimal cost, using
mainly open source software.



All comments, suggestions, recommendations, draft, success stories are well
come.



Feel free to contact me for additional information.



Warms regards,
Georges-Keny PAUL



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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

[Faisal Imtiaz]

This has been an interesting thread... I cannot help but remember a 
story that someone told me when I was young.


As an experiment, a group of blind folks were taken to a Zoo and 
introduced to an Elephant. Obviously they had never seen one. After the 
visit they were asked to describe their experience and what they thought 
an Elephant was.

The person who got to touch the Elephant's tail, described the Elephant 
as a Big Rope, the person who got to touch the Elephant's Legs, 
described it as Tree Trunk, the person who got to touch the Elephant's 
trunk , described it as a big flexible hose  etc. etc. etc.

The point of the story is that we all draw our opinions based on our 
experiences, and for that exact reason it is very important for us all 
to 'Expand' such experiences by sharing info in such forms as this one.

I have been in the technology business for over 20 years, first as a 
Computer VAR, and then as ISP/NSP Services provider.

One thing that we all have to recognize about our industry is that, 
Electronic & Communications Technology is about the only industry where 
THERE IS NO SUCH THING as RIGHT OR WRONG.. However we do have 
industry standards and technical standards.. if you choose not to follow 
them, then YOU WILL EXPERIENCE IN-CONSISTENT Results.

Cisco, Mikrotik, Juniper, Vyatta, PfSense, MonoWall, Linux, etc. etc. 
are all routing platforms each with their core strengths, claiming 
anyone of these to be 'THE' products would be a fool's argument.

The original thread was about having a network 'IN-CONSISTENCY' on a 
network that was not designed / setup with 'INDUSTRY STANDARDS', and 
Frustration was being taken out on a MFG.

To me the Key Point out of this Thread is Build your network using 
'Industry Best Practice', stay withing the Technical Guide Lines, and 
Choose Your Tools (Routers / Wireless Equipment etc) wisely. Comparing 
Notes with each other is a great way of learning, so that one does not 
have to repeat the same mistakes, and expanding horizons.

Regards.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/21/2010 9:45 AM, Charles n wyble wrote:
> I use pfsense as my edge and core router and am happy with it.
>
> Hoping to turn up the initial socalwifi nodes this weekend. These will back 
> haul through pfsense. So I will get a better sense of how it scales.
>
> "Glenn Kelley"  wrote:
>
>> Tom -
>>
>> I think no matter what the solution is - it really comes down to the 
>> following:
>>
>> a.   What you know and can do yourself.
>> b.   What you can obtain support for for free
>> c.   What you can obtain support for paid
>> d.   Overall ROI (free does not mean free ! )
>>
>>
>>
>> I can see your point - we use pfsense in those cases where microtik would 
>> make sense -
>>
>> Why - because it is very easy - runs on basically anything that microtik 
>> would - and the gui is much more user friendly.
>> PLUS - the cli makes complete sense - supports full BGP as well as many 
>> other routing protocols.
>>
>> We moved from using the more expensive options - like Cisco - and chose 
>> vyatta simply because their support is next to none.
>> We had an issue @ 2AM - and had a call back by 2:15AM by 2:30 we were back 
>> up and running.
>>
>> Experience like that with Cisco - or Microtik - well we just have never 
>> found.
>>
>> Have you played with pfsense?
>> have you played with vyatta?
>>
>> having used all 3 I can tell you microtik is for me the last choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>
>>> I have to disagree.  Except I'm arguing the opposite on Mikrotik's side.
>>>
>>> There is nothing free about Vyatta for a commerical WISP. Mikrotik is much 
>>> much less expensive. Low Price is a major reason to use Mikrotik over 
>>> Vyatta.
>>> I do not mean this as a negative comment about Vyatta, as Vyatta makes a 
>>> good product and has a strong support team. Its understandable that good 
>>> people tend to charge for quality support.
>>>
>>> My point here is that a Commerical ISP would be a fool to use Vyatta Free 
>>> addition for any serious commercial application. There are many reasons for 
>>> that. For example, having to wait 6 months for a bug fix is way to long, 
>>> expecially if its a new BGP vulnerabilty that will crash your BGP within 
>>> minutes.  Or maybe its when you need to upgrade to the next version, and 
>>> you learn that its not possible to upgrade the FREE version, unless you 
>>> reload from scratch and reconfigure from scratch, which means lots and lots 
>>> of long down time for core routers.  I'd highly recommend that Providers 
>>> use the PAID version of Vyatta, if VYatta being used for anything serious.
>>> Vyatta license is like $600-$900 per year, NOT $45 for life of next couple 
>>> versions like MIkrotik offers.
>>>
>>> I'm just saying, lets keep it real Its not fair to compare a 
>>> non-supported open source old version product (Vyatta) with a commercially 
>>> supported product (Mikrot

[WISPA] [OT] US hunters shoot down Google fiber

[David E. Smith]

I know some of you don't like competiton, but this is going a bit too far...

Google has revealed that aerial fibre links to its data centre in Oregon were
> "regularly" shot down by hunters, forcing the company to put its cables
> underground.


http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx




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MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

[Steve Barnes]

Faisal, Very, Very well stated.  This is the strength of this list and at time 
the weakness.  We are passionate people passionate about what we do and how we 
got to where we are.  I cannot tell you the number of times that I have written 
full page emails here ready to flame someone for not doing what I do to get it 
off my chest then delete the email before sending.  (Makes me feel better 
knowing that I at least stated my opinion if no one else at least to myself, 
makes us feel better My Precious)

I know for sure I have NOT done my network right lots of times and this list 
has been so helpful knowing that I am not alone.  At least we all have the same 
goal: service our customers the best we can within the resources we have and 
the understanding we can gain from learning from others.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

This has been an interesting thread... I cannot help but remember a story that 
someone told me when I was young.


As an experiment, a group of blind folks were taken to a Zoo and
introduced to an Elephant. Obviously they had never seen one. After the
visit they were asked to describe their experience and what they thought
an Elephant was.

The person who got to touch the Elephant's tail, described the Elephant
as a Big Rope, the person who got to touch the Elephant's Legs,
described it as Tree Trunk, the person who got to touch the Elephant's
trunk , described it as a big flexible hose  etc. etc. etc.

The point of the story is that we all draw our opinions based on our
experiences, and for that exact reason it is very important for us all
to 'Expand' such experiences by sharing info in such forms as this one.

I have been in the technology business for over 20 years, first as a
Computer VAR, and then as ISP/NSP Services provider.

One thing that we all have to recognize about our industry is that,
Electronic & Communications Technology is about the only industry where
THERE IS NO SUCH THING as RIGHT OR WRONG.. However we do have
industry standards and technical standards.. if you choose not to follow
them, then YOU WILL EXPERIENCE IN-CONSISTENT Results.

Cisco, Mikrotik, Juniper, Vyatta, PfSense, MonoWall, Linux, etc. etc.
are all routing platforms each with their core strengths, claiming
anyone of these to be 'THE' products would be a fool's argument.

The original thread was about having a network 'IN-CONSISTENCY' on a
network that was not designed / setup with 'INDUSTRY STANDARDS', and
Frustration was being taken out on a MFG.

To me the Key Point out of this Thread is Build your network using
'Industry Best Practice', stay withing the Technical Guide Lines, and
Choose Your Tools (Routers / Wireless Equipment etc) wisely. Comparing
Notes with each other is a great way of learning, so that one does not
have to repeat the same mistakes, and expanding horizons.

Regards.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/21/2010 9:45 AM, Charles n wyble wrote:
> I use pfsense as my edge and core router and am happy with it.
>
> Hoping to turn up the initial socalwifi nodes this weekend. These will back 
> haul through pfsense. So I will get a better sense of how it scales.
>
> "Glenn Kelley"  wrote:
>
>> Tom -
>>
>> I think no matter what the solution is - it really comes down to the 
>> following:
>>
>> a.   What you know and can do yourself.
>> b.   What you can obtain support for for free
>> c.   What you can obtain support for paid
>> d.   Overall ROI (free does not mean free ! )
>>
>>
>>
>> I can see your point - we use pfsense in those cases where microtik would 
>> make sense -
>>
>> Why - because it is very easy - runs on basically anything that microtik 
>> would - and the gui is much more user friendly.
>> PLUS - the cli makes complete sense - supports full BGP as well as many 
>> other routing protocols.
>>
>> We moved from using the more expensive options - like Cisco - and chose 
>> vyatta simply because their support is next to none.
>> We had an issue @ 2AM - and had a call back by 2:15AM by 2:30 we were back 
>> up and running.
>>
>> Experience like that with Cisco - or Microtik - well we just have never 
>> found.
>>
>> Have you played with pfsense?
>> have you played with vyatta?
>>
>> having used all 3 I can tell you microtik is for me the last choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>
>>> I have to disagree.  Except I'm arguing the opposite on Mikrotik's side.
>>>
>>> There is nothing free about Vyatta for a commerical WISP. Mikrotik is much 
>>> much less expensive. Low Price is a major reason to use Mikrotik over 
>>> Vyatta.
>>> I do not mean this as a negative comment about Vyatta, as Vyatta makes a 
>>> good product and has a strong support team. Its understandable that

[WISPA] Email hosting

[Justin Mann]

Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for 
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with 
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit 
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can 
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user 
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service 
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for 
business? It is one among several we are considering.





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Josh Luthman]

I've used Gmail for a couple of years now.  No cost, no issues.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



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 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
> stick with for a long time.
>
> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
> business? It is one among several we are considering.
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Mark Nash]

Josh, have you set up multiple domains within Gmail?  For the number of 
users we're talking about?

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


I've used Gmail for a couple of years now.  No cost, no issues.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



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 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
> their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit
> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
> stick with for a long time.
>
> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
> reliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
> business? It is one among several we are considering.
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Jeromie Reeves]

I am happy with google for email. They are currently doing a forced
change to the service that is going to make life less fun for people
hosting with them for a bit. If you have say www.foo.com email hosted
with them, and your user bar has the email b...@foo.com AND has a
personal google account (igoogle) registered using said b...@foo.com,
then they will be forcibly combined come this fall. Other then this
very evil move, they have been great. Since they opened up the GFYD I
have setup 50+ domains and have not had issues or had to go back for
anything really related to Google. Users tho, are users. I still
recommend them and people have told me that if you talk with them
upfront and show what you will be moving to them, they will work with
you on price. If I ever decide to move away from google, I would move
email back in house. The primary reason I moved was the data centers I
had hosting in BOTH experienced extreme outages (one the power room
blew up, the other had '3 physically redundant paths' taken out by the
same backhoe). Google took 20 min to setup and restore working email
services.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Justin Mann  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
> stick with for a long time.
>
> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
> business? It is one among several we are considering.
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Josh Luthman]

I have well under 1000 users total - maybe a few hundred.  Probably 20
or 30 different domains.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> Josh, have you set up multiple domains within Gmail?  For the number of
> users we're talking about?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
>
>
> I've used Gmail for a couple of years now.  No cost, no issues.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Justin Mann
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
>> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
>> their service and have decided to make a change. Last time it was a bit
>> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
>> stick with for a long time.
>>
>> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
>> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
>> reliability. Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
>> business? It is one among several we are considering.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Josh Luthman]

>with them, and your user bar has the email b...@foo.com AND has a
>personal google account (igoogle) registered using said b...@foo.com,
>then they will be forcibly combined come this fall. Other then this

It was this way at the latest November 2006.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
> I am happy with google for email. They are currently doing a forced
> change to the service that is going to make life less fun for people
> hosting with them for a bit. If you have say www.foo.com email hosted
> with them, and your user bar has the email b...@foo.com AND has a
> personal google account (igoogle) registered using said b...@foo.com,
> then they will be forcibly combined come this fall. Other then this
> very evil move, they have been great. Since they opened up the GFYD I
> have setup 50+ domains and have not had issues or had to go back for
> anything really related to Google. Users tho, are users. I still
> recommend them and people have told me that if you talk with them
> upfront and show what you will be moving to them, they will work with
> you on price. If I ever decide to move away from google, I would move
> email back in house. The primary reason I moved was the data centers I
> had hosting in BOTH experienced extreme outages (one the power room
> blew up, the other had '3 physically redundant paths' taken out by the
> same backhoe). Google took 20 min to setup and restore working email
> services.
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Justin Mann  
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
>> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
>> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
>> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
>> stick with for a long time.
>>
>> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
>> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
>> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
>> business? It is one among several we are considering.
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Faisal Imtiaz]

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before 
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't 
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
> stick with for a long time.
>
> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
> business? It is one among several we are considering.
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Justin Mann]

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We 
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an 
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than 
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
> But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
> Google.
>
> Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
> market to yours and our customers.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
>> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
>> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
>> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
>> stick with for a long time.
>>
>> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
>> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
>> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
>> business? It is one among several we are considering.
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Martha Huizenga]

 We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and 
easy to use.


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On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&   Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:


Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Josh Luthman]

I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
hard to use.

Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
> We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
> use.
>
> Martha Huizenga
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>
> On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:
>
> What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
> are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
> email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
> the older web clients we were used to.
>
>
>
> On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
> We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
> But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
> Google.
>
> Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
> market to yours and our customers.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
> stick with for a long time.
>
> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Martha Huizenga]

 I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others.

martha

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On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
hard to use.

Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:

We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
use.

Martha Huizenga
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On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&   Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:


Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Mark Nash]

We used to use Squirrel Mail and I though it was unprofessional.  The 
Everyone.Net web interface is very good.  It looks alot like Roundcube...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martha Huizenga 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


  I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others.

  martha

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  On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
hard to use.

Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
use.

Martha Huizenga
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On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:


Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Michael Baird]

Zimbra is ahead of all of those, and it is a complete system that scales 
very well and is based on open software.


Regards
Michael Baird

I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others.

martha

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On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
hard to use.

Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
 

We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
use.

Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
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On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&   Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:


Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Faisal Imtiaz]

We are using an HSphere Control Panel on a Cluster of Centos Servers.
The Web Mail interface is Horde or SQWebMail, you can choose from the 
Main Page.  Plus the Mail Server supports any POP3 or IMAP4 compliant 
Email Client of one's choosing.

We use another outfit for keeping our Servers secure and patched up and 
Updated on a regular basis (runs $75/month for each server a total of 4 
machines).

For Anti-Virus/Anti-Spam service we use Katharion, now owned by GFI

The combination has been working well. Our main issue with outside mail 
servers has been that we needed a solution for Web hosting as well and 
not just Email hosting.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:
> What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
> are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
> email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
> the older web clients we were used to.
>
>
>
> On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
>> But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
>> Google.
>>
>> Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
>> market to yours and our customers.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
>>> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
>>> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
>>> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
>>> stick with for a long time.
>>>
>>> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
>>> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
>>> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
>>> business? It is one among several we are considering.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Jeromie Reeves]

I do not think we are talking about the same issue here.

http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=181874

This just started a few months ago (on a voluntary basis) and will be
a forced issue this fall (October ~)


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
>>with them, and your user bar has the email b...@foo.com AND has a
>>personal google account (igoogle) registered using said b...@foo.com,
>>then they will be forcibly combined come this fall. Other then this
>
> It was this way at the latest November 2006.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Jeromie Reeves  
> wrote:
>> I am happy with google for email. They are currently doing a forced
>> change to the service that is going to make life less fun for people
>> hosting with them for a bit. If you have say www.foo.com email hosted
>> with them, and your user bar has the email b...@foo.com AND has a
>> personal google account (igoogle) registered using said b...@foo.com,
>> then they will be forcibly combined come this fall. Other then this
>> very evil move, they have been great. Since they opened up the GFYD I
>> have setup 50+ domains and have not had issues or had to go back for
>> anything really related to Google. Users tho, are users. I still
>> recommend them and people have told me that if you talk with them
>> upfront and show what you will be moving to them, they will work with
>> you on price. If I ever decide to move away from google, I would move
>> email back in house. The primary reason I moved was the data centers I
>> had hosting in BOTH experienced extreme outages (one the power room
>> blew up, the other had '3 physically redundant paths' taken out by the
>> same backhoe). Google took 20 min to setup and restore working email
>> services.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Justin Mann  
>> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
>>> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
>>> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
>>> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
>>> stick with for a long time.
>>>
>>> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
>>> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
>>> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
>>> business? It is one among several we are considering.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Coming from enterprise & wireline side of the business. Let me share 
with you something that we have seen with most of our customers.

I personally think that 'providing' a router as part of a 'managed' 
service is a much better business proposition for ISP/NSP/WISP's than 
'selling' them a router. (Again a bunch of If's And's or But's Apply).

We have consistently found that 80% to 90 % of business customer will 
take us up on Managed Router Service for $50 to $75/month than to 
purchase and maintain their own router.

We make the deal sweeter, by offering, 24x7 Monitoring, Free 
Configuration Changes, and ON-Site Replacement in-case of something 
going poof.

Typically with such a service, the client is no longer concerned about 
the Brand or Model of the Router, they prefer to see the CISCO name on 
the box, that is visible in their computer room

Having said that, we have a number of 2600 Series Routers out in field 
as part of Managed Router Service, connected to T1's. These go for song 
on the secondary markets.

The value proposition for the Customers is Very High on this, most of 
them really don't care so about the latest and greatest, the folks who 
write the checks are only interested in knowing  "IF there is a 
Problem, You are going to make the problem go away" ... and the only 
thing I will have to pay for is the Monthly Manged Service Charge !

Customers are Happy, We are Happy..


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> I have not played with PFSense, but we have played with and recommend
> Vyatta.
> I think very highly of both the Vyatta product and the Vyatta support.
> I also like Vyatta because there is no limits on hardware flexibility. I
> dont like when other manufacturers lock me down to specific hardware
> thats not off the shelf, or that is handicappingly slow when a massive
> CPE or RAM can be had for a few dollars on the open market.
> Again, my point being The most valuable benefits of Vyatta, in my
> opinion are not ones that are offered for Free.
> But I think we agree on that concept.
> Vyatta Free edition is a good open source starting point for those that
> are well versed with Debian Linux at the programing and compiling type
> level.
> For those that are able to manage their own distro Tree, and make their
> own fixes, they probably will do just fine with the open source FREE
> product.
> I just believe that most commercial WISPs are not in a position where
> its cost effective to manage the source. I can give an example of
> OpenWRT and MAd Wifi.
> Some unique people are happy to see that combination. But How many WISPs
> are self maintaining the distro, and how many realized Just buying
> UBNT's latest AirMax version was much more cost effective in the long
> run. I look at Vyatta the same way. For some, Vyatta Free will be fine.
> I will also say that Vyatta has matured pretty nicely in its later
> versions, so its pretty effective as is.
> It really depends on the target customer. I just had a case where I
> quoted a customer a great price on TWO redundant Linux routers, each
> capable of about 4gb throughput.
> We also looked at Vyatta and Image stream as manufacturer supported
> platforms. At first they chose the two routers I offered. But at the end
> of the day, they got scared, and bought a single CISCO router, at twice
> the price, that was used, and had max throughout of about 100mb. Why? It
> all came down to the fact that the customer had to interact with their
> own customers. They'd never get critisized for saying, "we use Cisco"
> your technicain and our technicain should be able to supprot this
> because we use a trusted standard. It all came down to who were the
> options for maintaining the router. Could the company's own staff be
> knowledgeable enough to maintain their own routers?
>  From my perspective its all easy. But from the customer's perspective
> its not always as easy. What do they know about Linux? They do know that
> both their ADmin had Cisco training in School, they also know many of
> their clietns had techs that took Cisco classes in school. Go to your
> local university and look at teh Computer NEtworking degree corriculum,
> and the class will be structured around Cisco. What happens if I get hit
> by a bus? Whats it going to cost them? How quickly can they find someone?
> My point being the right router choice isn't as much a factor of who the
> tech provider is, but instead who the customer is. Its all perception.
> For example, in my mind, if I put a linux router in and it breaks,
> nothing is stopping me from installing a Cisco tommorrow, there is no
> risk in using Linux today. And so many people already use Linux and dont
> even know it. (firewall appliances, soho rotuers, etc). But a customer
> gets scared of change and scared about what they dont know. And then you
> ahve all the third party support techs that earn their living on helping
> the custmer, that migh

Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Mark Nash]

Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, Zimbra seems very full-featured and very 
pricey over time... I was looking at the appliances.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Baird 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


  Zimbra is ahead of all of those, and it is a complete system that scales very 
well and is based on open software.

  Regards
  Michael Baird

I think Horde has definitely gotten better. I'll check out the others.

martha

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On 9/21/2010 12:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
hard to use.

Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
use.

Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
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Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter

On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:

What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
the older web clients we were used to.



On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
Google.

Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
market to yours and our customers.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom


On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:


Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Scott Lambert]

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:23:23AM -0700, Justin Mann wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider
> for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased
> with their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it
> was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a
> choice we can stick with for a long time.

We migrated an acquired domain from Everyone.net to our server
running FreeBSD, Cyrus-IMAPd, Postfix, Squirrelmail and Roundcube
mail.  Everyone.net does way too much advertising to the users.

If you don't want to run your own, find a WISP you like nearby, or
not if you worry about competition, who does.  Pay them what you
have been paying Everyone.net.  Keep it in the family.  

60 domains with 1000 accounts is a pretty easy add to an existing
ISP style system, or a complete seperate (possibly virtual) mail
server.

-- 
Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix SysAdmin
lamb...@lambertfam.org




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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Blake Covarrubias]

On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Scott Lambert wrote:

> to our server
> running FreeBSD, Cyrus-IMAPd, Postfix, Squirrelmail and Roundcube
> mail.  Everyone.net does way too much advertising to the users.

Exactly the setup we're running, except we just phased out SquirrelMail.

If I had to host with a company I'd likely choose FastMail (www.fastmail.fm).

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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Tom Fadgen]

I use a fully redundant(2) mail server setup from Netwinsite.com  called
Surgemail. It has a very good webmail interface, fast, and it runs on Linux
or Windows.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:23:23AM -0700, Justin Mann wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider
> for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased
> with their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it
> was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a
> choice we can stick with for a long time.

We migrated an acquired domain from Everyone.net to our server
running FreeBSD, Cyrus-IMAPd, Postfix, Squirrelmail and Roundcube
mail.  Everyone.net does way too much advertising to the users.

If you don't want to run your own, find a WISP you like nearby, or
not if you worry about competition, who does.  Pay them what you
have been paying Everyone.net.  Keep it in the family.  

60 domains with 1000 accounts is a pretty easy add to an existing
ISP style system, or a complete seperate (possibly virtual) mail
server.

-- 
Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix SysAdmin
lamb...@lambertfam.org





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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Dennis Burgess]

Justin,

You can host that on a small server of your own.  Other than the upkeep,
etc, its not expensive.  You can also give control of your domains to
your end users IT departments, so you don't have to reset a password etc
though a webased system.  WE offer servers including the
hardware/software preinstalled or we can install software for ya.  Shoot
me off-list if you are interested.  The software is well under 1k. 

---
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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"


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Behalf Of Justin Mann
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:23 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting

Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.






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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Mark Nash]

That sounds attractive.  I made the ultimate decision to move to outsourced 
email due to one driving factor: fear.  Fear of losing our server and not 
having a backup, or having a backup that was too old.  Nightly backups of 
the mail server is just not enough.  With this many users, email is being 
delivered non-stop, so if you don't have up-to-the-moment mirroring, you've 
lost data when your server goes down.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Fadgen" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


>I use a fully redundant(2) mail server setup from Netwinsite.com  called
> Surgemail. It has a very good webmail interface, fast, and it runs on 
> Linux
> or Windows.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Lambert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:42 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:23:23AM -0700, Justin Mann wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider
>> for about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased
>> with their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it
>> was a bit of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a
>> choice we can stick with for a long time.
>
> We migrated an acquired domain from Everyone.net to our server
> running FreeBSD, Cyrus-IMAPd, Postfix, Squirrelmail and Roundcube
> mail.  Everyone.net does way too much advertising to the users.
>
> If you don't want to run your own, find a WISP you like nearby, or
> not if you worry about competition, who does.  Pay them what you
> have been paying Everyone.net.  Keep it in the family.
>
> 60 domains with 1000 accounts is a pretty easy add to an existing
> ISP style system, or a complete seperate (possibly virtual) mail
> server.
>
> -- 
> Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix 
> SysAdmin
> lamb...@lambertfam.org
>
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Layne Sisk]

We use BlueTie and just recently migrated about 10,000 more users to
their service.  Tasks, calendaring, contacts, and up to 10G of storage.
We found it was cheaper than doing it in-house, and better.  You can get
a trial account at their website www.bluetie.com, and test it out.  If
you like it let me know and I can help you out with more info and
pricing.

-Layne

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Behalf Of Justin Mann
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:23 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting

Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for

about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with 
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit

of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can 
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user

range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service 
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for 
business? It is one among several we are considering.






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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Mark Nash]

Their demo of their web client looks awesome...

What's the pricing like?  We're paying $.35 to $.45 for accounts now.

Per domain branding?  How was the migration?

- Original Message - 
From: "Layne Sisk" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email hosting


> We use BlueTie and just recently migrated about 10,000 more users to
> their service.  Tasks, calendaring, contacts, and up to 10G of storage.
> We found it was cheaper than doing it in-house, and better.  You can get
> a trial account at their website www.bluetie.com, and test it out.  If
> you like it let me know and I can help you out with more info and
> pricing.
>
> -Layne
>
> Layne Sisk
> www.ServerPlus.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Justin Mann
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting
>
> Hello,
>
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
>
> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
>
> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
> stick with for a long time.
>
> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
>
> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
> business? It is one among several we are considering.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

[Matt Jenkins]

Do you have to contend with Foliage? If so do you have any pictures of 
what it looks like and how dense it is? This will have a major impact on 
what frequencies will be viable for use in your area.

On 09/21/2010 06:54 AM, Georges-Keny PAUL wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Some people of the list, like Robert West, Glenn Kelley and of course 
> Matt Jenkins, strongly recommended me this list for my “case”.
>
> We are located in Haiti. My team is working on technical and 
> technological specifications of a document for the deployment of 
> Internet service on public frequencies in rural areas. We welcome your 
> thoughts on the topic in terms of previous experiences and, well sure, 
> you recommendation in terms of equipment. You should note that the 
> environment in question is very mountainous with very precarious 
> infrastructure conditions: no electricity, poor access, etc. We would 
> like to deploy a service at minimal cost, using mainly open source 
> software.
>
> All comments, suggestions, recommendations, draft, success stories are 
> well come.
>
> Feel free to contact me for additional information.
>
> Warms regards,
>
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[RickG]

  :)

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> Call Estex Manufacturing.  They can make a canvas nose bag with reinforced
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Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

[Georges-Keny PAUL]

Basicaly,
We will deal with hard environment, but not really foliage. One of the
advantage with our country, it's you can easily have a coverage from one
point. The link will coverage long distance. Maybe with multiple hop from
one point to an other. Just to have an idea just take a look on Google
Earth. Search From Port-au-Prince to  Hinche; from Hinche to Cap-Haitien and
>From Cap-Haitien to Fort-Liberté and Ouanaminthe. you'll have an idea.

Regards,
Keny

2010/9/21 Matt Jenkins 

> Do you have to contend with Foliage? If so do you have any pictures of
> what it looks like and how dense it is? This will have a major impact on
> what frequencies will be viable for use in your area.
>
> On 09/21/2010 06:54 AM, Georges-Keny PAUL wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Some people of the list, like Robert West, Glenn Kelley and of course
> > Matt Jenkins, strongly recommended me this list for my “case”.
> >
> > We are located in Haiti. My team is working on technical and
> > technological specifications of a document for the deployment of
> > Internet service on public frequencies in rural areas. We welcome your
> > thoughts on the topic in terms of previous experiences and, well sure,
> > you recommendation in terms of equipment. You should note that the
> > environment in question is very mountainous with very precarious
> > infrastructure conditions: no electricity, poor access, etc. We would
> > like to deploy a service at minimal cost, using mainly open source
> > software.
> >
> > All comments, suggestions, recommendations, draft, success stories are
> > well come.
> >
> > Feel free to contact me for additional information.
> >
> > Warms regards,
> >
> > Georges-Keny PAUL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Mike Hammett]

  Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail, 
Thunderbird, etc.

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On 9/21/2010 11:44 AM, Justin Mann wrote:
> What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
> are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
> email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
> the older web clients we were used to.
>
>
>
> On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
>> But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
>> Google.
>>
>> Tucows service tend to be more suited for ISP/NSP's and they don't
>> market to yours and our customers.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/2010 12:23 PM, Justin Mann wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
>>> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
>>> their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
>>> of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
>>> stick with for a long time.
>>>
>>> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
>>> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
>>> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
>>> business? It is one among several we are considering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Mike Hammett]

  I'm working on moving to Zimbra.

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On 9/21/2010 11:57 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I used to use Horde and my users and I tend to agree..the Interface is
> hard to use.
>
> Roundcube is prettier and seemed to work for the short while we had it
> and Squirrel Mail was my users' favorite.
>
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>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Martha Huizenga  wrote:
>> We use Horde for our webmail client. It's fairly user friendly and easy to
>> use.
>>
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>> On 9/21/2010 12:44 PM, Justin Mann wrote:
>>
>> What user email client are you using? Are your users happy with it? We
>> are considering hosting email ourselves, as we used to, but we need an
>> email client that is a little more full-featured and less clunky than
>> the older web clients we were used to.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> We run ours on in-house, on a cluster of on Centos Servers
>> But if I had to out-source, I would consider Tucows email service before
>> Google.
>>
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>> market to yours and our customers.
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti RMA Process

[Jayson Baker]

Yeah, they rock.  Although, the last two times we RMA'ed Loco2's they sent
us Nano2's.
We told them.  They said "you sent us Nano2s"  I said no, we didn't.  They
said "there's nothing more we can do"

Ok.  Fine.  I'll keep the more expensive product.  Thanks!

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Robert West wrote:

> I think they figured out that the cost of a bad and argumentative RMA
> process is greater than a smooth one.
>
> I have enough frustration and the UBNT RMA process is good for my mood.
>
> Bob-
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> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:06 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti RMA Process
>
> Ubiquiti used to be hit and miss with RMA's, they have improved the
> process over time.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
> > I have been throughly impressed with the RMA process at Ubiquiti.  I had
> > some blown up Bullets and they processed the RMA very quickly and had
> > new units back to me within a few weeks.  After dealing with the
> > extremely long RMA process that Tranzeo has, it's refreshing to see a
> > company like Ubiquiti stand behind there product.  It's definitely one
> > more reason to use their equipment.
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[RickG]

Josh,

Do you have a link for that. I looked but all I found were fee services.
Thanks!

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> I've used Gmail for a couple of years now.  No cost, no issues.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Justin Mann
>  wrote:
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> >
> > We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
> > about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
> > their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
> > of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
> > stick with for a long time.
> >
> > What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
> > range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
> > reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
> > business? It is one among several we are considering.
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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] FTTH Show

[Jayson Baker]

Wanted to go.  Registered.  Went there.  They never took the money.  So I
used it to gamble instead.  :-)

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[WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Robert West]

Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.  Anyone
have a script of a step by step?

 

I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.  Throwing
in the towel yet again.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Josh Luthman]

Probably want to masquerade the subnet.  What ips did you use for the tunnel
in relation to the other interfaces?

On Sep 21, 2010 8:29 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:

Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.  Anyone
have a script of a step by step?



I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.  Throwing
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Chuck Hogg]

There is not a free Google Partner edition any longer.  Josh got in on a
period when it was free, and loves to brag about it!  Once he gets passed
his alloted accounts, it won't be free any longer (I have some domains under
it as well when it was free, but not my primary ISP domains).  There is
Google Standard that is free for a limited (50) number of email accounts.
 We just signed up with Google Partner edition this past month,
.32/user/mth.  It has more options for migration and for other things than
the standard edition does.  s...@ikano.com is Shaun's email account if you
are interested in signing up with them.

And yes, we also got the notice that the Apps accounts for email, are going
to be migrated to all of the other Google services.

Regards,

Chuck


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:38 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Do you have a link for that. I looked but all I found were fee services.
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> I've used Gmail for a couple of years now.  No cost, no issues.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Justin Mann
>>  wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
>> > about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with
>> > their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit
>> > of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can
>> > stick with for a long time.
>> >
>> > What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
>> > range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
>> > reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
>> > business? It is one among several we are considering.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

[Robert West]

Welcome, Paul!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Georges-Keny PAUL
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:55 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

 

Hello all,

Some people of the list, like Robert West, Glenn Kelley and of
course Matt Jenkins, strongly recommended me this list for my "case". 

We are located in Haiti. My team is working on technical and technological
specifications of a document for the deployment of Internet service on
public frequencies in rural areas. We welcome your thoughts on the topic in
terms of previous experiences and, well sure, you recommendation in terms of
equipment. You should note that the environment in question is very
mountainous with very precarious infrastructure conditions: no electricity,
poor access, etc. We would like to deploy a service at minimal cost, using
mainly open source software. 

 

All comments, suggestions, recommendations, draft, success stories are well
come.

 

Feel free to contact me for additional information.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Blake Covarrubias]

What type of VPN? Could you give a bit more info on the network layout?

I could probably shoot you over a config if I had that info.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Probably want to masquerade the subnet.  What ips did you use for the tunnel 
> in relation to the other interfaces?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2010 8:29 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.  Anyone 
>> have a script of a step by step?
>> 
>>  
>> I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.  Throwing 
>> in the towel yet again.
>> 
>>  
>> Me-
>> 
>>  
>>  
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Robert West]

Yep, did that.  As far as the other interfaces, do I need to use ether3 as
the vpn port?  It's not plugged into anything, I was going into ether2 with
the vpn as well as my local interface.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

 

Probably want to masquerade the subnet.  What ips did you use for the tunnel
in relation to the other interfaces?

On Sep 21, 2010 8:29 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:

Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.  Anyone
have a script of a step by step?

 

I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.  Throwing
in the towel yet again.

 

Me-

 

 






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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] FTTH Show

[Robert West]

W I N !

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:51 PM
To: Mikrotik discussions
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] FTTH Show

 

Wanted to go.  Registered.  Went there.  They never took the money.  So I
used it to gamble instead.  :-)

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists 
wrote:

 Anyone here going to this show?

http://www.ftthconference.com/FTTH10/public/enter.aspx

Still deciding whether I should go or not.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti RMA Process

[Robert West]

Mike was drinking that night.  Happens..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti RMA Process

 

Yeah, they rock.  Although, the last two times we RMA'ed Loco2's they sent
us Nano2's.

We told them.  They said "you sent us Nano2s"  I said no, we didn't.  They
said "there's nothing more we can do"

 

Ok.  Fine.  I'll keep the more expensive product.  Thanks!

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I think they figured out that the cost of a bad and argumentative RMA
process is greater than a smooth one.

I have enough frustration and the UBNT RMA process is good for my mood.

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:06 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti RMA Process

Ubiquiti used to be hit and miss with RMA's, they have improved the
process over time.

Regards
Michael Baird
> I have been throughly impressed with the RMA process at Ubiquiti.  I had
> some blown up Bullets and they processed the RMA very quickly and had
> new units back to me within a few weeks.  After dealing with the
> extremely long RMA process that Tranzeo has, it's refreshing to see a
> company like Ubiquiti stand behind there product.  It's definitely one
> more reason to use their equipment.
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Robert West]

Email?  I stopped with the email long ago however, we have some that INSIST
on it so we just add them to our email account on our host.  We pay a whole
100 bucks for a shared hosting account at IX Hosting.  If they want email,
we just add it to our "unlimited' accounts for a 5 buck a month charge.




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Behalf Of Justin Mann
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:23 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting

Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their
service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit of a shot
in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for
a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
business? It is one among several we are considering.






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Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

[Robert West]

Who on the list are in South America?  May be similar.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public
frequency

Do you have to contend with Foliage? If so do you have any pictures of what
it looks like and how dense it is? This will have a major impact on what
frequencies will be viable for use in your area.

On 09/21/2010 06:54 AM, Georges-Keny PAUL wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Some people of the list, like Robert West, Glenn Kelley and of course 
> Matt Jenkins, strongly recommended me this list for my "case".
>
> We are located in Haiti. My team is working on technical and 
> technological specifications of a document for the deployment of 
> Internet service on public frequencies in rural areas. We welcome your 
> thoughts on the topic in terms of previous experiences and, well sure, 
> you recommendation in terms of equipment. You should note that the 
> environment in question is very mountainous with very precarious 
> infrastructure conditions: no electricity, poor access, etc. We would 
> like to deploy a service at minimal cost, using mainly open source 
> software.
>
> All comments, suggestions, recommendations, draft, success stories are 
> well come.
>
> Feel free to contact me for additional information.
>
> Warms regards,
>
> Georges-Keny PAUL
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Robert West]

Trying to connect remotely via windows based laptop, PtPP protocol.  Setup
the PtPP server with all the "stuff", can connect just fine and get out to
the internet but not into the private network.  Missing something simple
here.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

What type of VPN? Could you give a bit more info on the network layout?

I could probably shoot you over a config if I had that info.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Probably want to masquerade the subnet.  What ips did you use for the
tunnel in relation to the other interfaces?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2010 8:29 PM, "Robert West" 
wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.
Anyone have a script of a step by step?
>> 
>>  
>> I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.
Throwing in the towel yet again.
>> 
>>  
>> Me-
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Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

[Robert West]

Sounds like a road trip..

 

J

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Georges-Keny PAUL
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public
frequency

 

Basicaly,

We will deal with hard environment, but not really foliage. One of the
advantage with our country, it's you can easily have a coverage from one
point. The link will coverage long distance. Maybe with multiple hop from
one point to an other. Just to have an idea just take a look on Google
Earth. Search From Port-au-Prince to  Hinche; from Hinche to Cap-Haitien and
>From Cap-Haitien to Fort-Liberté and Ouanaminthe. you'll have an idea. 

 

Regards,

Keny

 

2010/9/21 Matt Jenkins 

Do you have to contend with Foliage? If so do you have any pictures of
what it looks like and how dense it is? This will have a major impact on
what frequencies will be viable for use in your area.


On 09/21/2010 06:54 AM, Georges-Keny PAUL wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Some people of the list, like Robert West, Glenn Kelley and of course
> Matt Jenkins, strongly recommended me this list for my “case”.
>
> We are located in Haiti. My team is working on technical and
> technological specifications of a document for the deployment of
> Internet service on public frequencies in rural areas. We welcome your
> thoughts on the topic in terms of previous experiences and, well sure,
> you recommendation in terms of equipment. You should note that the
> environment in question is very mountainous with very precarious
> infrastructure conditions: no electricity, poor access, etc. We would
> like to deploy a service at minimal cost, using mainly open source
> software.
>
> All comments, suggestions, recommendations, draft, success stories are
> well come.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Glenn Kelley]

Bob 

Just imagine when a customer sends out an email asking for someone to renew 
their credit card or something else - and uses your domain... and sends it to 
your customer(s)

I know a few this has happened with.  

It is always best to use something different.

just my 2 cents. 



On Sep 21, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Email?  I stopped with the email long ago however, we have some that INSIST
> on it so we just add them to our email account on our host.  We pay a whole
> 100 bucks for a shared hosting account at IX Hosting.  If they want email,
> we just add it to our "unlimited' accounts for a 5 buck a month charge.
> 
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> Behalf Of Justin Mann
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:23 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting
> 
> Hello,
> 
> We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for
> about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with their
> service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit of a shot
> in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can stick with for
> a long time.
> 
> What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user
> range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service
> reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for
> business? It is one among several we are considering.
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Here is a step by step guide..

http://gregsowell.com/?p=680

If you can connect to via Winbox and see the logs, see if you are 
getting an IP address from the MK, and also check on your windows box to 
see if you are getting that IP.

Most likely you are missing the ' add-default-route=yes'



Faisal Imtiaz
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On 9/21/2010 9:29 PM, Robert West wrote:
> Trying to connect remotely via windows based laptop, PtPP protocol.  Setup
> the PtPP server with all the "stuff", can connect just fine and get out to
> the internet but not into the private network.  Missing something simple
> here.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script
>
> What type of VPN? Could you give a bit more info on the network layout?
>
> I could probably shoot you over a config if I had that info.
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Probably want to masquerade the subnet.  What ips did you use for the
> tunnel in relation to the other interfaces?
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2010 8:29 PM, "Robert West"
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.
> Anyone have a script of a step by step?
>>>
>>>
>>> I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.
> Throwing in the towel yet again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Me-
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Philip Dorr]

If you are using the same IP subnet on the VPN and the Ethernet you
need arp set to proxy-arp

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Trying to connect remotely via windows based laptop, PtPP protocol.  Setup
> the PtPP server with all the "stuff", can connect just fine and get out to
> the internet but not into the private network.  Missing something simple
> here.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script
>
> What type of VPN? Could you give a bit more info on the network layout?
>
> I could probably shoot you over a config if I had that info.
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Probably want to masquerade the subnet.  What ips did you use for the
> tunnel in relation to the other interfaces?
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2010 8:29 PM, "Robert West" 
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.
> Anyone have a script of a step by step?
>>>
>>>
>>> I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.
> Throwing in the towel yet again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Me-
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

[Greg Ihnen]

I'm in South America but way way out in the jungle. It's the wild wild west out 
here so compliance is easy. Regulations? We don't need no stinking regulations! 
This place is quieter than an anechoic chamber.

But I know a guy who's running a wisp in town. His problem is it's the wild 
wild west there too. 2.4GHz is a mess. He just went to 5.8GHz for back hauls 
which is still reasonably pristine but I'm sure that will change. I think all 
the things that apply in your neck of the woods will apply in Haiti - use 
sectors on the APs to help deal with interference, use the narrowest possible 
beam width on back hauls and 5.8GHz is probably the smart way to go, use as 
little power as possible, starting with Airmax now will probably prevent future 
problems with interference. Though in Haiti I imagine equipment theft at remote 
sites could be a problem. Never been to Haiti but I used to sail to the 
relatively richer half of the island (Dominican Republic) and it was the wild 
wild west there too.

One time the captain wanted to test the calibration of the RDF so we tuned in 
the radio beacon. The Dominican Republic's callsign block is HI. The beacon 
transmits it's callsign in morse code. The beacon's callsign was HIV.

Greg

On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Who on the list are in South America?  May be similar.
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Re: [WISPA] Specifications for Internet services on public frequency

[Glenn Kelley]

we sent a number of UBNT radios down and both 2.4 and 5.8 were a mess... 
Airmax helped - but your right - stuff was just left running -  who knows 
where. 

Our team did a bunch for the United Methodist Church - and have some backhauls 
hopping all the way to the DR vs purchasing local. 

5.1 seemed to be very open however 


Hit me off list - and I will see what I can do to get some folks hooked up w/ 
you depending on location 


On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:

> I'm in South America but way way out in the jungle. It's the wild wild west 
> out here so compliance is easy. Regulations? We don't need no stinking 
> regulations! This place is quieter than an anechoic chamber.
> 
> But I know a guy who's running a wisp in town. His problem is it's the wild 
> wild west there too. 2.4GHz is a mess. He just went to 5.8GHz for back hauls 
> which is still reasonably pristine but I'm sure that will change. I think all 
> the things that apply in your neck of the woods will apply in Haiti - use 
> sectors on the APs to help deal with interference, use the narrowest possible 
> beam width on back hauls and 5.8GHz is probably the smart way to go, use as 
> little power as possible, starting with Airmax now will probably prevent 
> future problems with interference. Though in Haiti I imagine equipment theft 
> at remote sites could be a problem. Never been to Haiti but I used to sail to 
> the relatively richer half of the island (Dominican Republic) and it was the 
> wild wild west there too.
> 
> One time the captain wanted to test the calibration of the RDF so we tuned in 
> the radio beacon. The Dominican Republic's callsign block is HI. The beacon 
> transmits it's callsign in morse code. The beacon's callsign was HIV.
> 
> Greg
> 
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Robert West wrote:
> 
>> Who on the list are in South America?  May be similar.
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Scott Carullo]

canvas army surplus water bucket

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From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:49 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

Canvas buckets.  No contest.



On Sep 20, 2010 10:43 PM, "RickG"  wrote:

I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the 
towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided and 
collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a 5 
gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it 
hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?

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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

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the thicker ones won't collapse - long skinny ones will or ones that are 
too thin - canvas army water bucket seems good size, good stiffness, ridged 
ring on top etc

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From: "RickG" 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:02 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

Well, thats what I've been using for years but like I said, I hate them 
when they collapse and you have to dig for the right tool.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Canvas buckets.  No contest.




On Sep 20, 2010 10:43 PM, "RickG"  wrote:

I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the 
towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided and 
collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a 5 
gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it 
hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Butch Evans]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 20:28 -0400, Robert West wrote: 
> Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.
> Anyone have a script of a step by step?
> 
>  
> 
> I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.
> Throwing in the towel yet again.

99.9% probability:  You are using an IP (remote IP) in the secret that
is in the same subnet range as "the network".  

To fix: use a different IP range for the "remote IP" in the secret OR
under interface, double-click the ethernet interface that faces "the
network" and set arp=proxy-arp.  The first method is recommended.

.1% probability:  Something else is wrong.


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Francois Menard]

Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the same subnet as the 
subnet to which access is sought for ?

its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed relationship between 
the VPN client and the VPN server ... thus the need for Proxy-ARP in that case ?


???

F.


On 2010-09-21, at 10:47 PM, Butch Evans wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 20:28 -0400, Robert West wrote: 
>> Okay, fighting this nightmare of setting up a MT 411 board as a VPN.
>> Anyone have a script of a step by step?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can connect remotely but can never see anything on the network.
>> Throwing in the towel yet again.
> 
> 99.9% probability:  You are using an IP (remote IP) in the secret that
> is in the same subnet range as "the network".  
> 
> To fix: use a different IP range for the "remote IP" in the secret OR
> under interface, double-click the ethernet interface that faces "the
> network" and set arp=proxy-arp.  The first method is recommended.
> 
> .1% probability:  Something else is wrong.
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Email hosting

[Scott Carullo]

Buy your own smartermail license or have someone with extra capacity like 
me do it for you

just make sure if you do it you pay for all the extras to reduce spam and 
viruses otherwise you are going to have a bad experience.

Scott Carullo
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From: "Justin Mann" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:23 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Email hosting

Hello,

We are currently using Everyone.net 3rd-party email hosting provider for 
about 60 domains and 1000 email accounts. We are very displeased with 
their service and have decided to make a change.  Last time it was a bit 
of a shot in the dark, this time we would like to make a choice we can 
stick with for a long time.

What 3rd-party providers have been successful for you, in the 1000+ user 
range? Responsive support is our number one demand, followed by service 
reliability.  Does anyone have experience with Google mail services for 
business? It is one among several we are considering.



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Josh Luthman]

Usually no.  I suggest a different subnet.

On Sep 21, 2010 10:51 PM, "Francois Menard"  wrote:

Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the same subnet as the
subnet to which access is sought for ?

its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed relationship
between the VPN client and the VPN server ... thus the need for Proxy-ARP in
that case ?


???

F.



On 2010-09-21, at 10:47 PM, Butch Evans wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 20:28 -0400, Robert West w...



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I am not sure what type of configuration you folks are talking about.

For my PPTP dial-in, I setup a IP Pool with a hand full of IP's from the 
same subnet as to what I am connecting to.

The Local IP on the PPTP server is from the same subnet (Gateway IP), 
and Proxy-arp is enabled.

(Setup a bridge interface, assign IP to the bridge, use this IP as the 
PPTP local IP).

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/21/2010 10:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Usually no.  I suggest a different subnet.
>
>> On Sep 21, 2010 10:51 PM, "Francois Menard" > > wrote:
>>
>> Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the same subnet as
>> the subnet to which access is sought for ?
>>
>> its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed relationship
>> between the VPN client and the VPN server ... thus the need for
>> Proxy-ARP in that case ?
>>
>>
>> ???
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2010-09-21, at 10:47 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 20:28 -0400, Robert West w...
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Let me clarify...

As long as you get a valid IP on your PPTP client, from the PPTP Server, 
and the default route to the PPTP server, then you should be able to get 
to any of the IP's (public or private) being routed on that MK box.



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On 9/21/2010 10:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Usually no.  I suggest a different subnet.
>
>> On Sep 21, 2010 10:51 PM, "Francois Menard" > > wrote:
>>
>> Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the same subnet as
>> the subnet to which access is sought for ?
>>
>> its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed relationship
>> between the VPN client and the VPN server ... thus the need for
>> Proxy-ARP in that case ?
>>
>>
>> ???
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2010-09-21, at 10:47 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 20:28 -0400, Robert West w...
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Josh Luthman]

Can we see ppp secret print (KEEP IN MIND THE PASSWORDS ARE PLAINTEXT HERE!!!)?

Then /ip addr pr

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> Let me clarify...
>
> As long as you get a valid IP on your PPTP client, from the PPTP Server,
> and the default route to the PPTP server, then you should be able to get
> to any of the IP's (public or private) being routed on that MK box.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 10:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Usually no.  I suggest a different subnet.
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2010 10:51 PM, "Francois Menard" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the same subnet as
>>> the subnet to which access is sought for ?
>>>
>>> its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed relationship
>>> between the VPN client and the VPN server ... thus the need for
>>> Proxy-ARP in that case ?
>>>
>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>> F.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2010-09-21, at 10:47 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 20:28 -0400, Robert West w...
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Getting consumer-level Internet connections fixed

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Patrick,
The short answer to your question is NO...

This feature is part of the "Best Effort Service" provided to Consumers. 
Thus the classification 'Consumer Class'.

As frustrating as this is for Techies, this is also one of the primary 
reasons why the Tech folks who work for such service providers tend to 
choose local ISP/WISP alternatives.

At one time, on our DSL Network, in the heydays, we had a number of 
Techies from AT&T and other providers on our network. We used to have 
'comical' conversations with them.. they would tell you what is wrong, 
but would hesitate to tell you as to how they know what is wrong.. and 
after a while of pressing on them they would admit that they worked in 
Tier 2 of other Service Providers.

But come to think of it, I end up doing similar with the AT&T & Comcast 
Tech's that come out to fix the issues..

:)


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On 9/21/2010 11:33 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
> So, occasionally I have DSL, FIOS, or cable circuits installed as
> backups or for out of band management purposes. Every now and then,
> there is an problem such as a DSL circuit with noise causing errors, or
> a problem in the ISP's backbone causing packet loss. Reporting this to
> 1st tier support personnel is a huge time waster, as the discussion
> usually goes something like:
>
> Me: I'm experiencing packet loss at hop X within your network
> Support: Can you browse the Internet?
> Me: Yes, but...
> Support: Okay, please try rebooting your modem.
> ...Etc, etc. etc. until I give up
>
> Example from tonight--on my home FIOS connection it appears that the
> Verizon/Google handoff in Ashburn is saturated or otherwise borked and
> is experiencing 25% packet loss. See attached.
>
> Anyone have tips for getting problems like this reported to the people
> capable of handling them without suffering through explaining what a
> packet is to tier 1 support personnel?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Butch Evans]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 23:07 -0400, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 
> I am not sure what type of configuration you folks are talking about.
> 
> For my PPTP dial-in, I setup a IP Pool with a hand full of IP's from the 
> same subnet as to what I am connecting to.
> 
> The Local IP on the PPTP server is from the same subnet (Gateway IP), 
> and Proxy-arp is enabled.
> 
> (Setup a bridge interface, assign IP to the bridge, use this IP as the 
> PPTP local IP).

This is when proxy-arp is required.  

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Butch Evans]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 23:09 -0400, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 
> Let me clarify...
> 
> As long as you get a valid IP on your PPTP client, from the PPTP Server, 
> and the default route to the PPTP server, then you should be able to get 
> to any of the IP's (public or private) being routed on that MK box.

Of course.  There are ways to make it work and there are other ways to
make it work.  For some reason, some people like to use the same subnet
even though their interface (the pptp server interface) is not on the
same segment.  To make that work, you need proxy-arp (since arp won't
work considering you are not on that segment).  I don't have time to
write a full tutorial for why it is that way.  I am sure I have done so
in the past...search the archives for proxy-arp and you'll likely find
one.  It is possible that I even posted a blog entry detailing this as
well.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

[Butch Evans]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 22:51 -0400, Francois Menard wrote: 
> Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the 
> same subnet as the subnet to which access is sought for ?

No...I said that IF you are using IPs that are part of an existing
subnet, then you WILL need to use proxy-arp to make it work.

> 
> its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed 
> relationship between the VPN client and the VPN server ... 
> thus the need for Proxy-ARP in that case ?

I really don't understand the question you are asking.



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