[WISPA] How Priviliged are Emails?
We see these footers stating this information is confidential or if you get this email by mistake. I personally like that one, if you do not who you are sending it to.tough luck. What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential comment, can that be repeated? In Missouri we actually can record a voice conversation without informing the other party! I always thought that there had to be that beep warning letting you know.watch out. Recently my conversation was recorded, I know because I kept hearing feedback, come on if you are going to do it do it right. Frankly, I did not care because I wanted my position documented and them being able to rewind and rewind. But imagine this rule and compare it to email. It is hard to do since these rules are regulated on a state level, whereas email is regulated on a federal level. But what say you WISPA, if an email does not have a confidentiality notice is it considered privileged? Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong. A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on. If telcos try to expand DSL, the cost is going to be huge, same as with cable companies. I think one of the things that should be defined is rural wireless and the rules to play in that field. For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
StarOS will meet the specs of what you need to do. Two X4000 radios with dual pol panels will run full-duplex around the 50-55meg level. http://www.star-os.com/store/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson writes: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
LOL, riding his unicycle... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile http://www.f-tech.net/ http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm l News from the past! Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetings today
I am there, via web that is... ;) Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:25 AM To: legislat...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetings today http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html come join me. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday
Not me, this is getting a bit scary. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday I'm going to fall asleep watching this... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM To: legislat...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html come join me. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday
They are asking us to partner with the State, but it is under debate. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday Scary? Care to expand upon that for those of us not in attendance? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday Not me, this is getting a bit scary. V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday I'm going to fall asleep watching this... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM To: legislat...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html come join me. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday
Yes on Form 477! ;) V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday I don't know. I've not been able to find that! I wonder if that was a slip up and he meant to say something else? marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday How does one ask questions via the webcast? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM To: legislat...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html come join me. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday
Good job! I submitted the question too, maybe if there is a big showing of support that will help. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Denise Hamilton Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FW: only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday I was ticked that Sasha rebutted my remarks regarding the 477 form but I did call back in and have on public record that we want the 477 form to be a criteria since it means we have been playing by the rules! And it will be too much of a bear to have thousands of apps without any prequels at all. And the lady that kept stressing government involvement (Betty - ugh!). I could barely sit down through that whole meeting. ~ Denise Hamilton Rapid Systems 813-232-4887 x 101 Fax 813-236-0014 den...@rapidsys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday Yes on Form 477! ;) V -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday I don't know. I've not been able to find that! I wonder if that was a slip up and he meant to say something else? marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntiameetingstoday How does one ask questions via the webcast? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM To: legislat...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia meetingstoday http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html come join me. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL
http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr id-technology-0317/ Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companies to expand BPL
In our State our Governor has stated that they are going to work with the power companies and provided grant moneys to bring BPL to rural areas. Just reading between the lines. Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL I didnt read the whole article as you gotta register to do so. I just took the subject verbatim. So whats it got to do with BPL then? -RickG 2009/3/18 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net I didn't see anything about BPL in it. I got the point was that they were putting ATT cell modems in the electric meters. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL I thought the point of the story is BPL? -RickG On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: They have no place to complain on this because they'll be using ATT's wireless network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL And where is the ARRL and all the Ham operators? -RickG On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr id-technology-0317/ http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr %0Aid-technology-0317/ Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
[WISPA] Earthquake proofing towers
In Los Angeles they use spring loaded steel plates for the base of their peering. I am wondering if there is an approved product for free standing towers that could work in this fashion? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open Range does something?
LOL, I like that Forward-Looking Statement. Clearly they are looking for Stimulus $$$. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open Range does something? http://www.level3.com/index.cfm?pageID=251PR=http://level3.mediaroom.com/in dex.php?s=43item=748 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Solar Panels
Curious how many WISPs are using Solar and what type of solar products? We are looking at this as well as wind turbines for an all season coverage solution. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO http://stlbroadband.com/ StLouisBroadband.com http://missouriruralwireless.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?
We have a business customer that is about six months into their one year agreement. Yesterday they had a fire that gutted their entire building, including their rooftop with our equipment. The customer may or may not go back into business and if they do they may or may not be in our service area. We own our equipment, so it is not the customers. The insurance adjusters will be there tomorrow to value the damage. Am I owed the balance of the contract? Am I owed the cost of my equipment? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO http://stlbroadband.com/ StLouisBroadband.com http://missouriruralwireless.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] What SIC code do you use?
I read an article @ ISP-Planet that says: ISPs do not fit precisely into the SIC system. I use SIC code 7375, Information Retrieval Services to classify ISPs. MindSpring, on the other hand, uses code 7389, Business Services, Not Elsewhere Classified. Your best bet is to use SIC Code 7375, or visit OSHA's SIC Search for a complete list of SIC codes. Just curious what everyone else is using and why? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use?
Actually NAICS has one for a WISP: 517210 - Wireless Internet service providers, except satellite. But Dun and Bradstreet still use SIC. Victoria Proffer St. Louis Broadband -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use? As an ISP we used the following as SIC was converted to NAICS. 7375 SIC 514191 NAICS 518111 NAICS We currently use for our current services, 518210 Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: [WISPA] What SIC code do you use? I read an article @ ISP-Planet that says: ISPs do not fit precisely into the SIC system. I use SIC code 7375, Information Retrieval Services to classify ISPs. MindSpring, on the other hand, uses code 7389, Business Services, Not Elsewhere Classified. Your best bet is to use SIC Code 7375, or visit OSHA's SIC Search for a complete list of SIC codes. Just curious what everyone else is using and why? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crazy Weather - Strange Tech Support
( ---Original Message--- From: Matt Larsen - Lists mailto:li...@manageisp.com Date: 6/10/2009 3:44:24 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org ; Motorola Canopy mailto:motor...@wispa.org User Group; w...@part-15.org Subject: [Motorola II] Crazy Weather Storm #2 rolling in today We've already had three tornado warnings and at least one on the ground within three miles of my house. Amazingly enough - nothing is down other than one site that had a brief power outage. New 9 mile 19ghz link on 2' dishes faded from -48 to -70 for a while and then came back within a few minutes. Seems like we have had rain and lightning almost every night for the last two weeks. I can't help but feel that we are very fortunate that we have only had to replace a couple of radio units since it all started. This is the most rain we have gotten here in probably ten years or so. Anyone else seeing weird weather so far this year? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.60/2166 - Release Date: 06/10/09 05:52:00 -- -Steve D No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.61/2167 - Release Date: 06/10/09 18:30:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Is Open Range Monopolizing 17 States for Stimulus Funding?
This morning I was reading about Alvarion winning the $100MM bid for supplying Open Range network with their Breezemax product ( http://www.cellular-news.com/story/38050.php?source=rss http://www.cellular-news.com/story/38050.php?source=rss ) for their 17 State rollout of fixed wireless. I decided to see what markets Open Range was serving, which I found here: http://www.openrangecomm.com/markets.html http://www.openrangecomm.com/markets.html. On that page there is a link for a complete list of communities that takes you here: http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/ http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/. This site is the USDA/RUS site and it states : Special Note to Potential Loan Applicants: Potential applicants should note that communities associated with approved applications are no longer eligible for RUS funding. Hold the phone, when did the USDA/RUS start their loan program? My understanding is that they are waiting on NTIA guidelines before they even have an application available. According to the USDA/RUS site: http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband.htm http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband.htm they state: New regulations are currently being developed to implement the 2008 Farm Bill requirements. With the publication of the new regulations, revised application materials will be posted. Am I missing something, or is this media hype? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://missouriruralwireless.com/ 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Broadband Mapping for NTIA Applications
From the early NTIA meetings, we can bet that the NTIA is going to have in their grant applications that we map our coverage area. Makes total sense that they pass these costs on to us for their purposes. I have been talking to Daniel from 3-db.net about this issue. I am not a *really* skilled person in Radio Mobile, I have problems laying in the antenna portion. Daniels' company has the EDX program. I have seen the results and it looks good. I am curious what everyone else is using and why? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://missouriruralwireless.com/ 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps
This really ticks me off: Wireless broadband Internet access services offered over fixed networks allow consumers to access the Internet from a fixed point while stationary and often require a direct line-of-sight between the wireless transmitter and receiver. These services have been offered using both licensed spectrum and unlicensed devices. For example, thousands of small Wireless Internet Services Providers (WISPs) provide such wireless broadband at speeds of around one Mbps using unlicensed devices, often in rural areas not served by cable or wireline broadband networks. http://www.broadband.gov/broadband_types.html I talked to them at the NTIA workshop in Memphis about this, but they are still defaming our industry. I have emailed them at the broadband.gov site and think it is a good idea that they hear from more of us. Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Could Save Lives and Cash
http://www.stltoday.com/pr/business/PR09030902052935 Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Seeking Public Comment on Public Safety, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity
FCC Seeking Public Comment on Public Safety, Homeland Security and Cybersecurity of National Broadband plan: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-2133A1.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] some legislator and legislation FYI
I dunno if this will help anyone or not, yet we received this today after filing last week as requested on the list(s). *** Thank you for contacting me on network neutrality. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue. I co-sponsored the Snowe-Dorgan 'Internet Freedom Preservation Act' (S. 2917) because I believe that when it comes to the future of the Internet, there is nothing more important than preserving a system that fosters innovation and is free from the discriminatory practices that may stifle competition and restrict access to the marketplace of ideas. It is urgent that Congress take action now because after last year's U.S. Supreme Court decision and subsequent rule issued by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to deregulate broadband over phone lines, there is no law that prevents network operators from giving its own content and services preferential treatment over that offered by unaffiliated parties. Last August, at the same time it deregulated broadband over phone lines, also known as DSL, the FCC adopted four net neutrality principles. They are: To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice. To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement. To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network. To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers. While these principles were an important first step, they do not fully address the range of concerns, and more importantly are not enforceable by law or regulation. As you may know, on June 8, 2006, the House of Representatives passed the Communications Opportunity, Promotion, and Enhancement Act (COPE), which grants the FCC authority to enforce its August 2005 network neutrality principles in complaint proceedings. In addition, COPE would establish fines of up to $500,000 per violation and require the FCC to resolve network neutrality complaints within 90 days. A stronger net neutrality amendment, addressing the issue of non-discrimination was offered and defeated at the Energy and Commerce Committee mark up of the COPE Act as well as on the House floor. In the Senate, on May 1, 2006 Senator Stevens, Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, introduced the Communications, Consumer's Choice, and Broadband Deployment Act (S. 2686). The first version of the Act only required the FCC report annually to Congress on net neutrality and make recommendations if necessary. Even though subsequent drafts of the Act improved on the first version by adopting language closer to House-passed language on net neutrality, overall, the net neutrality provisions in S. 2686 still fell far short of what I believe is necessary to protect consumers and businesses that rely on the Internet. At the Senate Commerce Committee mark up of the Act, I co-sponsored an amendment with Senators Snowe, Dorgan, Boxer, and Kerry that would add a critical fifth principle to what the FCC adopted last year and make all the principles enforceable. The fifth principle is a non-discrimination principle that states simply end users shall be entitled to service from each broadband Internet access provider that does not discriminate in the carriage and treatment of Internet traffic based on the source, destination, or ownership of such traffic. After a long debate in the Commerce Committee on June 28th, the amendment failed on an 11 to 11 vote. The Act was subsequently reported out of Committee to the full Senate without my support, largely due to the lack of non-discrimination net neutrality amendment. Please be assured I will keep your views in mind and continue to fight for a fair, enforceable, net neutrality language to be included into the Act if and when it gets to the Senate floor. Thank you again for contacting me to share your thoughts on this matter. Finally, you may be interested in signing up for my weekly update for Washington state residents. Every Monday, I provide a brief outline about my work in the Senate and issues of importance to Washington state. If you are interested in subscribing to this update, please visit my website at http://cantwell.senate.gov . Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of further assistance. Sincerely, Maria Cantwell United States Senator For future correspondence with my office, please visit my
[WISPA] Bad Storm in Nebraska
I thought it was bad when I lost a backhaul on a mountaintop for part of the day today...until I saw what happened in Central Nebraska http://www.nppd.org/ Charter had 7000 cable internet customers down, including several thousand out here 200+ miles away. One of the microwave towers carrying their signal looks like a piece of spaghetti. When you see those big hi-cap electrical transmission towers collapsed, you know that it was bad. Some towns will not have power for three weeks. Yuck. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] test
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Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road
Mark, While I can appreciate the perspective that you are coming from in your desire to not fill out the Form 477, I think you are completely off base. This is an information gathering form, not an invitation to regulation. Government needs information to put together policy. If we can't document that our industry is making some kind of impact on the digital divide and building something of value to the public, then how can we expect to get any more spectrum? This is the closest thing to a census for our industry. The census numbers are used to develop policy, define failure or success and attack or defend positions. If you think that changing the name of the kind of service you offer and pretending to be ignorant of the need to fill this form out is going to be the best way for you to proceed, then you might want to consider relocating to Montana. There is a well established community there that doesn't believe in paying taxes, hoards guns and practices all kinds of anti-establishment activities. You can probably get a great deal on T. Kaczynski's cabin out there. If we are going to pick a fight with the administration, lets do it over something meaningful - not a frickin informational form! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Koskenmaki writes: - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a long road Mark, I know what you think about the government and that it will not change. I am no different than you in my belief that a hands off approach is best. I mean that wholeheartedly. There is one distinct difference between you and me. I have resolved myself to know that the government has made the Internet and broadband a policy issue in all branches and at all levels. I see state and federal laws being made, judicial cases being tried in court, loans and grants issued and mandates being executed every single day. In short, the battle you are trying to fight is lost. I don't think all is lost... not yet. I've been trying to make the point there's STILL a long ways downhill... Let's start resisting. I will never tell you that you are not entitled to believe what you want and take whatever stand you feel is justified so long as it does not harm me or others. However, I will not accept your position as a direction for my company and I will oppose it within the WISPA organization because I believe your attempts to ignore FCC requirements are dangerous and anti-productive to our efforts to interface with the government to make sure policy interests are represented on behalf of the WISP industry. I've not advocated ignoring them. I am advocating we collectively tell the FCC that is NOT proper for them to demand that much detail of our businesses and customers, since they do NOT regulate our access, operation, etc. They have no legal oversight, in my view, and we should make this clear to them. That is the precise opposite of ignoring them. That's taking proactive action and doing what we're here to do... tell THEM what we think! As far as this goes, I would happily give this info to WISPA, and support WISPA's gathering of demographic info that the FCC seems to want, as an alternative to federal intrusion. Just so long as what I consider to be confidential information doesn't go anywhere else, Im fine with it. Ignoring and accusing those you wish to influence is bad politics, Mark. Yes, it is. Why are you accusing me, then, of things I have not done? That is why I am aggressively countering your position on this publicly. I personally wish that your snubbing of the FCC was done outside of WISPA public list servers. Really. If it can't even be asked and debated, what people think about the idea, then WISPA long ago lost its purpose, before it got started.This, after all, IS a public list, and if people cannot air what they think of something here, then nowhere can it be done to any purpose, and apparently, from now on, WISPA lists are only for non-disagreeing-with-John-Scrivener-conversations?I don't think you intend that. So let's not get carried away. That WISPA members vehemently disagree with something the FCC took upon itself to do SHOULD be a matter of public record. And if the membership wants, an official position by WISPA should probably be publicly made, as well. This is MY position though so do as you please for now. Take heed that I will lobby for your public stance of breaking the law to become a basis for punitive action within WISPA in the future if a majority within this organization agree with me. If all of WISPA thinks we should allow the list to be used to So, if I rename my services, and call it something other than broadband access, or I define my services so they do not require reporting under current rules, you'll ask to have me be removed. Interesting
[WISPA] Prefab Tower Foundations
A few months back there was a tread about this, but I can't seem to locate it. It is about a company that is manufacturing prefab foundations for tower sites. Anyone have a link or experience? Thanks! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB STLBBLogo CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Santa Rosa CA
Is there anyone in the Santa Rosa, California area. One of our customers needs assistance locally for their Meraki Wifi network. Please contact jdipa...@cielosystems.net for further detail. thanks, Mike Goicoechea m...@cielosystems.net 806-977-9001 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Amazon Wireless coming soon??
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-amazon-globalstar-20130823,0,4792322.story Looks like they are trying to get a Wifi channel opened up that we could be using. They threw the term Managed in there as well. Curt Lists ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
I like to assign a /24 to each access point to cover all of the IP addresses needed for customers and CPE radios. No need to have public IP addresses on a CPE. So if you use publics for customers, you have to setup another subnet of privates for the CPE radios. More complexity. If you do publics, that means a minimum of two IPs on each end user subnet. That is kind of a waste. PPPoE is another point of failure and complexity both at the core and at the customer. No desire to go there. Plus, if someone wants a public IP for their gaming or VPN or security system, I charge an extra $9.95/month for it. More cheddar! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:55:05 -0600, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: You can do all the routing magic with PPPoE (has it's own cost). Or with dynamic routing (OSPF and BGP). You can easily firewall the customers so they look just like a NATed IP (basically drop all !related !established traffic). I give publics because I got tired of users complaining about strict NAT on their gaming consoles and issues with crappy VPNs. Also go tired of managing 1-1 NATs for the ever growing list of customers with security cameras, remote light controls and other home automation/security products. It still boggles my mind that I have customers that have home security systems and cameras installed, but they don't lock their doors. On 12/31/2013 02:09 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Why would you give customers a public IP? That is nuts as far as I am concerned. Private IPs are easier to manage across multiple towers, you can setup routing properly so that subnets are completely separate for each AP, you can pick and choose how and where to route edge traffic to multiple backbone providers, you can move between backbone providers without having to re-ip all customers, customers are not exposed to external virus traffic... I mean I could go on and on about why carrier-NAT is awesome. I see no reason to mess with public IPs unless forced to. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 12/31/2013 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Your customers don't get a public IP? I'll never understand why people do this. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:09:48 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so that we would have consistency across our network. At this time last year, we had several plans that had overlap and different sets of services as part of the plans. For example, a 2meg plan for $49.95/month that included dialup and a public IP address sold next to a $49.95/month 4meg plan that did not have the dialup or public IP. Most of the customers did not use public IP addresses or dialup, and we were starting to get 2meg customers complaining about the 4meg plan on our website that was 2x the speed for the same price. At the same time, we still had a lot of 384k and 640k plans with people who were complaining about YouTube not working, but they were reluctant to upgrade to the next package because our prices were not as competitive on the lower end with the 1.5meg dsl bundles. What we ended up doing was this: 1) Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds at the same prices 2) Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg speeds for the same prices 3) Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new speed package with the public IP added to it 4) Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package that was automatically added to each customer account, but customers were given the choice of opting out of the plan After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly because of the addition of the maintenance package. Any plan inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved. The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved to make it happen. We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a really strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what the resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since the ratios would generally double. In doing so, we identified a bunch of places
Re: [WISPA] The Mikrotik Advertisement Feature
- Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] The Mikrotik Advertisement Feature I have recently been playing with the Hotspot side of Mikrotik which seems to work well. I had a look through the manual which suggests you should be able to re-direct people every now and again to advertisements but it doesn't actually explain how this is done. It looks to be done through the transparent proxy. Anyone tried this? Yes, it works with the transparent proxy. Just go to 'IP HotSpot User Profiles Profile Name Advertise' in Winbox. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Mikrotik Advertisement Feature
If the ad is blocked by a pop-up blocker the user sees an empty page with a link to the ad and has to click on the link before he can continue on to the the requested page. - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] The Mikrotik Advertisement Feature I'll see what I can do but it's only in the lab at present. I'm not sure a public address would be any help as it relies on all your web traffic being transparently proxied through the MT. Once a pre-defined timer expires the MT would then send a pop-up to the end users when they next request (at least I think that's the theory). It should also block all traffic until the end user has seen the advert so I'm wondering if this would have problems with users running pop-up blockers. John? Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: 18 April 2006 13:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Mikrotik Advertisement Feature I know this would be a bunch of work but can you either send us some screen shots of this in action or possibly give a public address to the hotspot side so we can see what this feature looks like in action? I would really like to see the ad feature running and I am having trouble visualizing exactly what it is doing. Many thanks, Scriv Paul Hendry wrote: Aha, now I see it. Never use Winbox so missed the option but now see it on the CLI too. Are there issues with this and pop-up blockers at all? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2006 09:36 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Mikrotik Advertisement Feature - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] The Mikrotik Advertisement Feature I have recently been playing with the Hotspot side of Mikrotik which seems to work well. I had a look through the manual which suggests you should be able to re-direct people every now and again to advertisements but it doesn't actually explain how this is done. It looks to be done through the transparent proxy. Anyone tried this? Yes, it works with the transparent proxy. Just go to 'IP HotSpot User Profiles Profile Name Advertise' in Winbox. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/316 - Release Date: 17/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.3/316 - Release Date: 17/04/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB153
Onboard PSU is 10W max like the RB112. Board draws 3-4W that leaves 6-7W. It shuld only be able to handle 1 SR9! - Original Message - From: JNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] RB153 Does anyone know if the RB153 will handle 3 SR9 cards both physical form factor and power consumption? Thanks, John Buwa Michiana Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik AP/Ubiquiti SR9 Tranzeo CPE 900 MHz
From what I heard on the MT lists, they are not compatible (have differend frequency ofsets). - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 7:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik AP/Ubiquiti SR9 Tranzeo CPE 900 MHz Can't get an association from the Tranzeo 900 MHz CPE to the Mikrotik RB532 with the SR9 card. I can associate with the Tranzeo 900 MHz AP immediately. The only thing that I see that could be causing the problem is the channel table is off. The Ubiquiti card has this: 922 MHz 917 MHz 912 MHz 907 MHz The Tranzeo AP shows this: 923 MHz 918 MHz 913 MHz 908 MHz I've got them both set to 5 MHz channel widths. I've looked for a couple hours now and I can't see where to change the frequency tables on either product (like you can on the Trango). Has anyone gotten this scenario to work? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
I don't usually agree with Mark's viewpoints, but I agree with this one 100%. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Hi Chuck, Need to put the new AirOS 3.0 firmware on the NS5s and they will work as expected. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Has anyone on the list noticed on the 5.x nanos, that when selecting 10 Mhz channels, that they only line up in the center of the channel, not like the Star OS base AP, that can slide back and forth to the edges. Are we missing something...what are you guys doing in a crowded environment with these? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Interesting Link...
http://gigaom.com/2008/07/28/the-brookings-plan-for-rural-broadband/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
The ability to push configs out from a central location is really a nice feature of Nagios/Cacti/MRTG. I also use Big Brother to monitor customer connections, and it is nice to have something that automatically pushes the configurations out whenever we make a change in the billing system - keeps everything in the same database. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Jeremy Davis wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the Dude? It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages, traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or have your wife go fix;-) It even has a nice pretty web interface for your level 1 support crew (daughter or son) to look at. So does nagios and cacti. They are also open source so you can write any plug-in you need including non-snmp device checks. Cacti has tons of premade templates that can be found all over the net. I use nagios to check to see if linux boxes are up to date and a variety of other non-typical, non snmp monitoring situations. I also have the ability to provision the information to the NMS systems from my billing system so I can setup all of my information in one location and push it out to all of the other systems. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone have Tranzeo 900mhz radios?
Hi all, I am looking to order about 10 Tranzeo 902-11 radios. Our main supplier is backordered on them and I have a backlog of installs, so anyone who can ship radios on Monday, please contact me. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios. The NS2 radios have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use. I'd love to see an NS9 at some point. The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity new product releases - they are vaporware for a while. No one has any stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the states is going to be beta. Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy if properly deployed. So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy replacement. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Chuck McCown wrote: We have tried the full sized nanostations. They have an external SMA connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain. I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option. They do what they say they will do. But just like all 802.11x products, you have to know how to apply them. They will never be a replacement for Canopy but they have their place. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
I'm with Travis on this, with the exception of using StarOS instead of Mikrotik. It is nice to have a set of standard, mature tools such as radius, cbq/iptable rules and standard, non-vendor specific hardware to work with instead of having to use a limited, proprietary system limited to a single vendor. I've deployed/consulted on 802.11 a/b/g networks representing 8000+ CPE units and it can be made to work just fine as long as it is managed properly. Travis is a pro, and he has the experience to design his network in such a way as to maximize the performance of his equipment. There are many others out there having the same success. FWIW, I believe the most logical next step is to start moving heavy usage customers over to 3.65 WiMAX gear starting next spring. I think we are near the threshold of what is going to be possible with unlicensed equipment - barring some kind of amazing breakthrough. I foresee a need to deploy smaller and smaller cells to maintain the desired performance level. It helps to have 10mhz channel sizes available to maximize the utilization of existing spectrum, but even that is starting to get awfully crowded. Whitespaces sure would help. I spent the last two years putting up 802.11a based APs across my entire service area and migrating customers from 2.4 to them to get the higher ARPU from faster speeds and VOIP service. I foresee spending the next two years deploying licensed backhauls and 3.65 APs starting with the high traffic areas and working out to the fringes. Its the neverending story. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We don't use DHCP. Every single customer gets a real, static IP address. We also a assign a static IP address to every radio (for management). When I posted the question a month ago about how to force an SM to connect to a specific AP on a tower, the only answer was color code. This isn't really an option, as that means the installer has to change the color code in the field. All of our current radios are setup and ready to connect to ANY tower and ANY AP on that tower without the installer doing anything in the field. And how does first level tech support even find the correct radio in the AP list for a customer on the phone? They have to scroll through 160 people to find them by MAC address? Yes, Canopy is a slower radio in today's world. 14Mbps of total throughput on a 20mhz channel is SLOW. Using Mikrotik I can get 30Mbps (double the speed) on the same channel size. Or I can use a 10mhz channel and get 15Mbps. And all these speeds can be delivered via upload or download or any combination, I don't have to set a specific percentage of up/down. And how do you guarantee 7ms latency? What happens if a customer gets 8ms? And how do they test that measurement? And what happens when a customer completely clobbers an AP and 160 customers are getting 20ms latency? Or you have interference from a new provider and all those people get 100ms latency? Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: All of the complaints are easily overcome with the proper management software, DHCP reservations etc. You can easily force the SM to connect to the exact AP you want a couple different ways. And there are several non motorola software packages that do this kind of stuff. We have 5000 subs on it and we don't break a sweat in managing any of this. We put 128-160 customers per AP and they all still get 10.2 Mbps burst. Slower radio? That seems pretty fast to me. And we guarantee latency to 7 mS. Hmmm, that is pretty hard to do with anyone else. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers We've tried Canopy... twice in fact... once about 3 years ago, and once about a month ago. We just can't make it fit into our network management (IP database, Call tracking, customer management, etc.) system very well... having customer radios that change their LUID and IP address every time they register, having to set the bandwidth on each SM instead of the AP, having no security or ways to control which AP a customer connects to without having to buy their software, etc. All that, plus paying MORE for a slower radio than what we are using just didn't make sense. I can put up an AP (2.4ghz, 5.3ghz, 5.4ghz, or 5.8ghz) for less than $400 that will support 50 customers, using only 10mhz wide channels... and each CPE is less than $175 complete (including PoE, antenna). Canopy seems to work well for many people... but I've never been one to follow the norm. And I get to put $50 in my pocket on every install, and $1,000 for every AP we put up. ;) Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Well that is a testimony to your quality of service for sure. Now, if you were using Canopy your
[WISPA] Mikrotik CPU graphing
Hello all, I'm trying to figure out how to track CPU load and PPS on our Mikrotik core router. Is there a simple guide for tracking this with MRTG/RRD somewhere out there? Im not having much luck finding it. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
I'm curious to hear why the client's VPN wouldn't work. I haven't had any problem with client VPN units working through StarOS. Might be a network design issue rather than anything to do with StarOS. I would strongly suggest switching to a StarOS board with V3 and atheros chipset cards. If the rest of your APs are StarOS, having a few Mikrotik APs in there makes for a little bit of a management problem as they are not as easy to maintain as a StarOS AP is. The WAR2, WAR4 and X4000 boards all have plenty of CPU to handle 50+ clients. I have one client that has 120+ associations across four sectors with an X4000 and it handles the traffic (and cbq bandwidth shaping) with no problems. Other thing to check would be the client CPE ethernet autonegotiation, especially if the radio is pinging without loss. If you are using CPQ19 units, you might want to change the autonegotiation down to 10 full and see if that helps. Some newer switches and routers do not do the autonegotiation well and you need to hard-code one side to ensure a good connection to the bottom. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Steve Barnes wrote: In reply to the RB411. We changed from a StarOS WAR board that would not work for our clients VPN and the company that put up my towers replaced them with a RB411. I was the Guinea Pig for their Mikrotik AP setup. I am a Tranzeo Guy and know little about MT boards been using StarOS Wrap for years but hard to get now. Is the RB411 a bad decision if so what should be used? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues You may want to look at the status tab of the associated clients on the AP. See if there are lost packets or a lot of retransmissions. Did you really use a RB411 or did you mean another model for the AP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a odd issue(as always). First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients. Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB? All CPE's are Tranzeo TR19 Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue. Pings from my office to the CPE NEVER drop. However, pings from the client to my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an hour. I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch what happens, with a ping running from my laptop to my office. As soon as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses connection. But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and tracert stop between the CPE and the tower. But I am still connected and have full access to the Tower with winbox. Pings from the tower to the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office. When the client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take control of their PC assuming they were clueless. With VNC from my office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc. So TCP level still works. Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP. HELP Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds
I know of quite a few non Canopy networks. Among my consulting clients, neighbors and other associates, I know of Rapid Communications - 2000+ StarOS/Tranzeo R-Com - 4000+ StarOS/Tranzeo/Trango/Deliberant Action Communications - 4000+ Cisco (they have a little bit of Canopy) OIBW - 2500+ StarOS MVN - 2000+ StarOS There are a lot of other providers out there with similarly large networks on Mikrotik or StarOS.In more rural areas, these systems will far outperform Canopy in price/performance and coverage area - mostly due to antenna and polarity flexibility. I've been building in some more population dense areas with StarOS and 10mhz channels in 2.4 and 5ghz, with NS5 radios as CPE and that has gone extremely well so far. Having an $89 CPE that will go up to 16meg with 5/10/20mhz channels, software controllable polarity and an external antenna connector is pretty impressive as far as I'm concerned. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com 3-dB Networks wrote: Comments inline... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not deny that. But I still feel there is no basis to your statement, or statistics that back up your original statement taht Canopy dominates the large provider market. What about Tower Stream? Last I knew they were one of the largest Urban WISPs. They use Aperto. What about AirBand, they had some serious numbers at some time, one two occasions, I was aware of them buying Proxim at one point, then a lot of Alvarion later on. What about Prairie-I.net, one of the larger, I know they used alot of Trango at one point. What about Travis, one of the larger, He's bigtime Trango user. What about Matt Larson (now w/GAB), he had gotten pretty darn big, he was mostly Tranzeo and StarOS. What about Covad/Nextweb, to the beest of my knowledge they were NOT primarilly a Canopy shop. With the exception of Matt Larsens operation (although I knew his last one much better :-), I really have no extensive knowledge of any of these networks, so I really can't argue about them. What I can point out though, is I can think of that many Canopy WISP's that are that large. So while Canopy might not dominate the market, it very well could (underline underline italics) have the largest market share. Obviously I have no data to back that up, its my personal observation from my perch out here in Colorado... Sure, Canopy is emergencing as a company that is continueing to evolve in compatibility with WISP models to enable expansion to 20mbps and beyond. But to say Canopy owned the large player market is ludicris. I don't think I meant to come off as they owned the market, but they are a big player. I don't even know what would happen if we added in the international market... You could argue Canopy was a preferred choice for many Muni plays, most all of which went bankrupt or shut down their networks, creating one of the largest availability stockpiles of second hand used product for WISPs to now buy at discount, compared to any other brand. I find it interesting that Alvarion and Trango still hold their value higher on Ebay. Can't argue with that. Earthlink really screwed up that part of the market... although I would say the gear is still at a reasonable price all things considered. I'll also argue that what is considered preferred choice gear is a leap frog game. Ironically, I personally have been using some Canopy recently, because of a unique value proposition it offers for specific application on this given day. However, there are many new players, which very well may bring the next best product line to the market. A perfect example are new products like Redline, Aperto, Alvarion dominating the new 3650 markets. No argument here from me. We actually resell Aperto 3.65 because we see how strong of a play they have there where Motorola has no presence. But AKAIK there has been no 5,000 sub 3.65 deployments (heck I would doubt there has even been any 1,000 sub deployments yet) so its hard to say where the band will end up. Motorola will have a strong position in the TVWS spectrum (which I personally believe could redefine the WISP industry), and Motorola does dominate the 2.5GHz WiMax band (at least from the last report on I saw on Broadband reports). And the comment are swapping out their Trango gear anyways., that's a croc. If they are swapping them out, they are fools. Eight years later, my Trangos are as strong as the day they were installed. That wasn't my argument. The WISP in question is now owned by JAB, who has standardized on Canopy. They also deployed a lot of 5.2GHz, which is now as far as I know no longer
[WISPA] Where is StarOS?
I put myself in as being Tranzeo based, as that is the heavy majority of my CPE radios, although I have a fair amount of Ubiquiti, Telex, HighGain and a smattering of Mikrotik CPE as well. Chuck started the survey, and as a Canopy user he is more used to the idea of everything coming from the same vendor. With StarOS and Mikrotik, you can use one thing for your APs and backhauls, and another brand or multiple different brands for your CPE radios. All of my APs and backhauls are on StarOS.I find that there are a lot of StarOS operators out there, but you don't hear from them because they tend to gather on the StarOS forums and don't get involved in list politics. Unfortunately, many of the discussions on this and other lists ends up focusing on Mikrotik and Canopy because there are more vendors pushing them, and users evangelizing them. I have plenty of experience with StarOS, Mikrotik and Tranzeo - and I have deployed Trango and Canopy as well. For the majority of the wireless applications I have been involved in, it was the most ubiquitous and best value of the platforms I have used. It is not a brain-dead deployment - if you want to run a bridged network, StarOS is definitely not for you. There is a little bit of a learning curve, and almost no available training resources for it beyond the StarOS forums.There are few vendors that sell it - FreeSpace and Streakwave are about the only two major ones that do much with Star. The developers are not exactly accessible and will become openly hostile if your choice of network topology doesn't fit their recommended way of doing things. These are all factors that limit the overall adoption of StarOS. However, at the core of StarOS is a set of world-class wireless drivers. StarOS was the first platform to have 20/10/5mhz channels with the Atheros chipsets. Their distance settings were a first, going back to their Orinoco drivers, and enabling WISPs to pick up customers beyond the 12mile wifi limit. I have many customers in the 15-25 mile range running on StarOS APs. I actually have one sub at 33 miles that runs 15-20gig of traffic a month - no complaints. With good bandwidth management profiles, you can get a lot of people on an AP. I have had 802.11b APs with 85-90 subs on them, and 802.11a APs with 100+. It is doable, and I have done it. StarOS is also great for backhauls, both half and full-duplex. I have a pair of WAR boards running in turbo mode that have been in the air for 2.5 years, and run 15-35 meg constantly. Haven't so much as changed the channel in that 2 year period. I have FDD links on $400 X4000 radios that will do 50meg throughput (10/40, 25/25, 40/10, whatever) over 20+ miles. I've watched StarOS backhauls kill Canopy backhauls on the same channels, and the signal squelch features allow backhauls to work in places where other stuff flat out will not work. I have 550+ miles of StarOS backhaul up, including a 65 mile shot and several more 35+ mile shots, and several of my consulting clients have just as many miles in the air. One pulled out all of their $5000-$9000 Motorola backhauls and replaced them with $900 StarOS FDD BH and saw huge improvements in performance. I've even mixed Star and Mikrotik backhauls with decent results. StarOS has also been a great platform to work with when it comes to building an integrated wireless platform. Radius auth of MAC addresses has been there from the start, and doesn't require any special servers beyond a radius server. Loading DHCP scripts, cbq rules and firewall settings is easily automated with shell scripts (much easier than Mikrotik). OSPF works great and does exactly what it is supposed to. SNMP is comprehensive and it's easy to track signal strength, link quality, # of associations, interface traffic and cpu load with commonly available tools. The F1 associations list is by far the best troubleshooting tool I have used on any platform. There is good stuff in there. Best of all is not being beholden to any specific vendor for CPE radios. Over the years I've used radios from Tranzeo, Teletronics, Orinoco, SmartBridges, Senao, Linksys, D-link, Ubiquiti, Telex, HighGain, Mikrotik, eZY.net, Cisco, Ampwave and probably a few other brands that I don't recall. All different kinds of chipsets work with it, and without the dropped association issues that Mikrotik and other APs have had. One many of my 2.4ghz APs, there is a wide variety of chipsets in the CPE radios - zcom, prism, atheros, orinoco - and they all work fine with the AP. That there is flexibility. I'll get off the soapbox now, but I think you get the point. StarOS is a great platform, even if it doesn't get the attention of some of the other ones out there. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Scottie Arnett wrote: I can guess that many of the other are StarOS as Matt Larsen used, it should have been included
Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS?
One of the nice parts about StarOS is that the scripting format is the same as the linux packages that they load to perform those functions - so if you want to learn how to do fancy cbq scripts, just look for the many available linux docs that describe how to use iptables and you are set. Same thing goes for firewalls, quagga (ospf/olsr/rip/bgp), dhcpd and other features. Also, the default config scripts include many well-commented examples for common applications. Since StarOS is based on open source, standard packages for a lot of its functionality, I would actually say that in many ways its documentation is BETTER than Mikrotik, which doesn't follow the same standards for configuration, and requires you to learn its command-line interface or fight your way through Winbox to do some of the more complex tasks. If ten people respond to me with a request for a training class, I will put one on. I could easily do three days on StarOS and already have a basic outline together for it. Word is that the StarOS guys are planning a training in Las Vegas sometime early next year. Maybe we could have a pre-session training session in coordination with their advanced one. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Steve Barnes wrote: Sam if you find good documentation other then the forums please let the rest of us know. I would love it. Maybe some of you StarOS gurus out there should offer a training class. I know at least 3 guys that would love to have one. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Where is StarOS? I am primarily a MT shop although I have started putting up StarOS APs on Matt's advice and because they are certified. From a configuration point I don't think they are really all that complex but then again I am programmer/network admin/unix geek so I'm probably skewed toward the technical end. I don't think they are any more complex than MT in fact they are quite a bit simpler, however where MT does shine is in the documentation. In fact there is so much MT documentation it can be overwhelming at times. I have been fairly happy with my StarOS APs so far. They have better latency than MT APs do both in backhauls as well as APs. However I have run into instances where they do not handle interference as well as MT does. I don't know if there are some settings I can change to help, I pulled the StarOS box back out when I couldn't maintain the throughput in my noisy 2.4 environment. I might take another stab at it, after Christmas but as it stands now the MT is handing things better. As for management. I miss the command line interface that MT has both from simple management as well as for automating things. I can use expect to manage any aspect of an MT box. I'm stuck with starutil for handing things in StarOS and either I haven't found the master documentation or it doesn't support everything the menu interface does. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Josh Luthman wrote: Looking at this from an outside point of view I'm awfully confused on the simplicity or complexity of learning StarOS. We have both ends of the poles as well as a middle ground - very easy to very hard. Would those of you who stated their opinion on the difficulty level mind sharing their other network gear experience, please? This is very very valuable information -- But to go full speed, the WDS Bridging config used 50% more processing power to pass the same amount of traffic. Thanks! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I agree. I also say that StarOS's support is actually pretty good for manufacturer provided support. (They do not have as large a channel of qualified third pary consultants like MT does). It means alot when the person writing code is also the person responding to End User List support request. The beauty of StarOS is its simplicity and ease. Its a fine flatform that we have used often. (I'd argue some of the best drivers, allthough I'm sure Nstreme lovers would argue otherwise :-) Recently they have had some issues with bad batches of failing mPCI cards, which has been a pain, but that is not a reflection of the software. We actually have been very successful with Bridging StarOS PtPs. What we learned, (with assitance from another local WISP) was that WDS Bridging was able to perform as well as routing configs, as
[WISPA] WISP Directory - please register
Inventive Media would like to formally announce the unveiling of the WISP Directory 2.0 at http://www.wispdirectory.com/ - now with zip code search, ratings, reviews and WISP Technology used by each WISP. Inventive Media has put a few hundred hours into revising the directory, weeding out dead entries and filling out the information on incomplete listings, and we now have over 1800 verified WISPs in the US, and 169 listings for WISP-related businesses. Our goals are as follows: 1) Collect the coverage information for each WISP by ZIP Code so we can direct customers to the WISPs 2) Show the FCC, news media and other organizations that WISPs are providing coverage to an enormous geographic footprint 3) Help define the places where broadband is still needed in the US. Setting up a listing on the WISP Directory is simple and costs nothing. Click on the “User Login” button at the top and you will be taken to a form that will ask for your name, username for the site and a password. All accounts are manually approved to prevent spam, and you will receive an email when the account has been activated. To add your own entry, simply browse to the appropriate Category, and click on the “Add your listing here” link at the top of the category. You can then put in the following information: - Name of the business - Description of the business - Postal Address - Telephone/Fax - Contact E-mail - Website Address - ZIP Codes where service is offered - Type of WISP Technology used - WISPA Member If you have filed an FCC Form 477, use the same zip codes for the service offering field. You can select multiple types of WISP Technology, according to the mix of equipment deployed. WISPA Membership status will be verified if it is selected. If your business is already listed in the directory, go ahead and register, then send an email to i...@wispdirectory.com mailto:i...@wispdirectory.com asking to have ownership of your listing transferred to your username. Once ownership is granted, you will be able to make modifications to your listing at any time. Feel free to look around the site and offer up corrections for any outdated or inaccurate listings, and rate and/or review any vendors or service providers from the WISP-related businesses that you have done business with. Encourage your users to use the directory and provide reviews and ratings for your business – especially if they are happy customers. This is a great place for WISPs to show how they are doing a great job providing competitive broadband service – nothing carries as much weight as a good customer testimonial. If you feel that there is something missing from the Directory, let us know. We have some other features that are in progress and will be deployed on the site over the next few months, but would welcome any feedback or ideas on how to make it work better. If you run a WISP operation, or a business that sells to WISPs, please take the time to register on the WISP Directory and help us show the world what WISPs are doing to bridge the digital divide. Thank you for your support! Matt Larsen Inventive Media / WISP Directory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP Directory - please register
Hi Steve, I just approved your info. To avoid spam, we are manually verifying each entry, so it may take a little while for the entries to show up. The preferred method is to separate the zip codes with a space between them, but commas is also fine. Matt Larsen Inventive Media Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, I have added my info. How long does it take for that to be updated? Also I separated the Zips with comas. It didn't state how I was to do that is that correct. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:14 AM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group; w...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WISP Directory - please register Inventive Media would like to formally announce the unveiling of the WISP Directory 2.0 at http://www.wispdirectory.com/ - now with zip code search, ratings, reviews and WISP Technology used by each WISP. Inventive Media has put a few hundred hours into revising the directory, weeding out dead entries and filling out the information on incomplete listings, and we now have over 1800 verified WISPs in the US, and 169 listings for WISP-related businesses. Our goals are as follows: 1) Collect the coverage information for each WISP by ZIP Code so we can direct customers to the WISPs 2) Show the FCC, news media and other organizations that WISPs are providing coverage to an enormous geographic footprint 3) Help define the places where broadband is still needed in the US. Setting up a listing on the WISP Directory is simple and costs nothing. Click on the User Login button at the top and you will be taken to a form that will ask for your name, username for the site and a password. All accounts are manually approved to prevent spam, and you will receive an email when the account has been activated. To add your own entry, simply browse to the appropriate Category, and click on the Add your listing here link at the top of the category. You can then put in the following information: - Name of the business - Description of the business - Postal Address - Telephone/Fax - Contact E-mail - Website Address - ZIP Codes where service is offered - Type of WISP Technology used - WISPA Member If you have filed an FCC Form 477, use the same zip codes for the service offering field. You can select multiple types of WISP Technology, according to the mix of equipment deployed. WISPA Membership status will be verified if it is selected. If your business is already listed in the directory, go ahead and register, then send an email to i...@wispdirectory.com mailto:i...@wispdirectory.com asking to have ownership of your listing transferred to your username. Once ownership is granted, you will be able to make modifications to your listing at any time. Feel free to look around the site and offer up corrections for any outdated or inaccurate listings, and rate and/or review any vendors or service providers from the WISP-related businesses that you have done business with. Encourage your users to use the directory and provide reviews and ratings for your business - especially if they are happy customers. This is a great place for WISPs to show how they are doing a great job providing competitive broadband service - nothing carries as much weight as a good customer testimonial. If you feel that there is something missing from the Directory, let us know. We have some other features that are in progress and will be deployed on the site over the next few months, but would welcome any feedback or ideas on how to make it work better. If you run a WISP operation, or a business that sells to WISPs, please take the time to register on the WISP Directory and help us show the world what WISPs are doing to bridge the digital divide. Thank you for your support! Matt Larsen Inventive Media / WISP Directory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells
Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units.If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order.These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Speaking of multi-tool - these are awesome http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XU43IC/ref=ox_ya_oh_product If I forget something from the toolbag, this is great. It is also a lot lighter than the traditional old Leathermen, that were so heavy you started to lean to one side. This is just like a slightly large pocketknife. Highly recommended. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Robert West wrote: Ah... But go try and buy a metal coat hanger these days. Our old standby multi-tool is becoming extinct. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Net Neutrality: The Canadians Get it Right!
http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2714 Lets hope the FCC can make a ruling as balanced and appropriate as this one. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Partnership Agreements
My rules are: Make it performance based Make sure what he is bringing to the table is equitable to the proposed share of the company Try to talk out exit strategy, where you are taking it, how you want to go and see if that matches up to what your new partner wants to do. This all depends on the business structure you have setup (which you havent mentioned) but I assume it is an LLC or Corporation for your state, make sure it is in writing. Watch this video if you want: http://vimeo.com/6950199 Good luck. -Israel Robert West wrote: I've had as few people approach me in the recent past wanting to partner up with me and to be honest, I can really use someone to carry half the load. I'm leery, however of getting screwed. (My father was in business for years with one partner and after they took on another they all got screwed to the point they were out of business) A requirement of a partner, for me, would be someone buying in with enough cash to grow the company to carry the extra weight of the new guy. The ones in the past turned out to be flakes with only dollar signs in their eyes. Not a good fit for me, I'm not about cash in my pocket, that comes with doing a good job and someone talking about money all the time scares the hell out of me. I now have a guy who looks good. Has the assets and interest. Has 3 small towers in parts in his barn, he has a barn converted to an office, construction equipment, trailers, etc. He understands there won't be any money flowing in his pocket for probably a year due to the expansion we're doing. He says that's fine. He also has the billing and general paperwork experience and background. (I absolutely hate dealing with the money and paperwork) Looks good so far. The construction equipment would be a help, no more begging things from farmers and making deals to get a hole dug. His current gig is as an electrical engineer, travels around the world as a contractor overseeing the repair and programming of robotics as well as the installation of the equipment. He says he's tired of being gone all the time and wants to stay in one area in a field that will be somewhat related and complicated enough that he won't get bored. Hm.. I've been to his home a few times, even put in a private wireless connection between him and his neighbor a mile away. Seems like a decent guy. Now he wants to sit down and work things out on paper. Any advice on things to cover my ass on? Things some of you wished you had down on paper when you started out? I'm not a partner kinda guy, my business plan is always in my head, I make much of it up as I go along and I jump in and just do things myself so this is new territory.(However, my total lack of organization is due to the previously stated operation of the business plan) I know some will yell to not take on a partner and I'd be one of them, believe me. That's why I've fought them off so long. But with a larger network coming online and eyes for even more expansion, it's looking good to me. (We currently only have a little less than 200 subs but anticipate twice if not 3 times that to come online in 2010) I just don't want to be out in the cold or screwed over due to my ability to trust. I'll never give up more than 50%, won't happen, but there are many ways people can screw others. It all sounds like picking the right person for marriage. (I have a bad track record in that too!!! ) Do ya think maybe him and I should just kinda date for awhile before we make the commitment? What would be considered first base in this kind of thing? Configuring a CPE after a few dates then moving on to a customer installation then if it all goes well, take the plunge and climb a tower together? Weird. Thanks. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google
We are having a problem with certain sites that are rejecting our customers because they say the IP address has sent too much traffic over the last 24 hours. This is a problem, as 98% of our customers are behind a single NATted IP address. I am just changing the IP address of the NAT server every 12 hours now, but am looking for a better solution. Anyone have any similar issues? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google
I believe that we have fixed this by using the StarOS policy routing to split up some of our subnets to SourceNAT through a different IP address on our NAT server. If we are going to get into the public vs. privates discussion, well I have used NAT for customer IP addresses from day 1. I used to use publics, but it was a tremendous pain in the ass, and would be very difficult to implement on my current network design (routed subnets at every single location) so I have no interest in giving each customer their own public IP address. There are about 160 private subnets on the access points in my network, so I have no intention of switching to publics anytime soon. I also loathe PPPoE and have worked with a couple of people who tried to convert to it and converted back as soon as they could because it just didn't work as well as advertised. YMMV, but I'm just fine not using it. NAT has been very beneficial to my customers as a whole, since they are not directly exposed to the Internet and we have far fewer virus/trojan/backdoor issues because of it.We do have a few folks who need a public IP, and route several subnets of public IP addresses out to towers where public IP addresses are needed. That is fine with me, because we charge extra for the IP addresses. Just another reason for power users to move up the pricing ladder if they want the extras. Not using publics has also been a godsend as far as maintaining flexibility between backbone providers and utilization of secondary links in the event of failures. Sometime in the next month, I'm switching my primary backbone to go through a new provider that is delivering 50meg for the same price that I was previously paying for 15. Moving traffic to that backbone will be as simple as changing one line in a policy routing statement. If I was using publics, I would still be stuck with the previous provider. I don't like being hostage to outside network providers if I can avoid it. In addition to my primary backbone link, I also have backbone links with two other neighboring WISPs and the ability to route traffic to the Internet through them in the event of an outage on my network between my APs and my NOC. They can do the same thing through my network.Just last week, a set of rolling power outages took out two towers that were the redundant paths to five APs on the far eastern side of my network. OSPF figured it out and routed them out through my neighbor's network until the towers came back up and it switched back. Same thing happened on his network last month, and we handled the majority of his traffic until his backbone link was back up. That is not a very simple thing to implement with public IP addresses, but it was pretty easy to make it happen with privates. So yeah, I have my reasons for using NAT. Switching to publics is a rhetorical answer, not a useful one. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Mike Hammett wrote: I believe Matt has around 5k subs, maybe I'm wrong. At 5k subs, his cost per year per IP address is $0.45. That's under $0.04/month. I'd consider that a reasonable expense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google RANT So, as with so much that goes on the lists, not just this one, oh, you aren't doing it my way so the fix is do it my way. What a bunch of baloney!! There are lots of ways to do almost everything we do as ISPs. What really needs to happen is for people to read the post, think about what the real question is and then, if and only if, the can pose a solution to the real problem, post a suggestion. But, since the only posts I have seen to Matt's is give everyone a public address, I have a few questions: So, who is going to buy Matt a block of IPs to fix this non-NAT issue? I ask, because I do as Matt does and if that is the fix, I need someone to buy me a block as well. But the issue isn't really NAT, is it? The real question is how does he deal with the current issue on his current network? /RANT Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: We are having a problem with certain sites that are rejecting our customers because they say the IP address has sent too much traffic over the last 24 hours. This is a problem, as 98% of our customers are behind a single NATted IP address. I am just changing the IP address of the NAT server every 12 hours now, but am looking for a better solution. Anyone have any similar issues? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [Motorola II] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google]
---BeginMessage--- We changed our policy routing statements so that now 8 subnets at a time are going through a single IP address, and we added more IP addresses to the public interface of the NAT server. My lead tech says that this solved the problem. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Tim Sylvester wrote: Matt, Based on an e-mail you sent last month, you have 1,700 subscribers behind a single IP address. That is excessive over-subscription of a single IP address. I am surprised that it even works. I suggest that you create a pool of IP addresses with many IP address - 50 to 200 IP addresses. I don't know if it can be done on a Mikrotik but I know other firewall/router/NAT devices can create a NAT pool with 100s of IP addresses for clients. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google We are having a problem with certain sites that are rejecting our customers because they say the IP address has sent too much traffic over the last 24 hours. This is a problem, as 98% of our customers are behind a single NATted IP address. I am just changing the IP address of the NAT server every 12 hours now, but am looking for a better solution. Anyone have any similar issues? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ---End Message--- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
Using StarOS we have about 480 subnet routes propagating throughout our network. This represents approximately 220 routed devices. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Dennis Burgess wrote: I think a good OSPF single area would be around 75 routers. Over that you get quite a bit of traffic. Not saying that this is a hard limit, just a rule of thumb. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OSPF maximums For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that dictates it? Jory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
AFAIK your assertion that NAT/DHCP - has no way to know is not entirely correct. Just how most Cable companies require you to register the MAC address of your modem to tie to your account (DHCP has logs you know), University students sign up for dorm internet using their mac address (which they sometimes rewrite onto their modem), but someone's name is still on the 'account.' This is how I think those 'high exposure' for DMCA (especially university) handle DMCA to Violator lookups. One does not need to open up wireshark and start logging traffic for awhile. Sufficient logs with enough detail (IP MAC + cross reference against account holder) accurate timestamps should be enough to identify who is who at what time without violating your customer's privacy of their data. -I Jerry Richardson wrote: OK so let's play out the scenario. Studio wants ISP send a letter to the customer ISP is NAT/DHCP - has no way to know Studio gets subpoena What now? At this point LEA is involved which demands cooperation. If the network is open WiFi, then there truly is no way to know. If the network is fixed installation, then the ISP could provide the information. So assuming it's a fixed installation, the ISP sets up a server with Wireshark or other packet capture and stores that data for1 day, 1 week, 1 month? At this point is the ISP breaking any privacy laws of customers that are NOT named in the subpoena? Not if the customer's TOA indicated that their Internet traffic MAY be stored and analyzed under legal request by LEA. Mind you this is all hypothetical. I'm just trying to understand the potential impact and exposire on the part of the ISP. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement So what does the law require? It doesn't. Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public IP exposed the ISP to legal suit? If the law changes and says each customer is required to have a public IP, then ISPs need to be provided as such. Keep in mind, too, that IPs are dynamic with most ISPs. Don't forget that the I have an open WiFi don't blame me case still works. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: good point. So what does the law require? Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public IP exposed the ISP to legal suit? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement That works for current infringements but what about those last night? last week? last month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the offending customer? We are running static/public so we don't run into this. I think the simplest way is to require the studio to provide the IP for the server delivering copyrighted information. The ISP has to be tracking CPE MACs. Use MT's torch or Wireshark to look at connections across the network to find the BT server IP. Match the connection to the MAC and there you go. Maybe there is an easier way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from, When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point fingers at a customer. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: os10ru...@gmail.com os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed? Seems like then more of the burden might fall on you. GReg On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Adam Goodman wrote: To me the question is how much
[WISPA] T1 radios needed
Hi all, I have a situation where I need to come up with a couple of links that can do T1 connectivity for a cell phone company. We have tried Moto PTP400 radios with Flanger T1 converters, but they do not work with the cell switches.Does anyone here have a recommendation for links that have single T1 capability? The links are 14 miles and 15 miles.5ghz is preferred. Budget is about $3000 maximum per link.Data throughput is not important. Vendors, feel free to hit me offlist. All assistance is greatly appreciated! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeos Repairs
I've spent the last two days going through my left for dead pile of Tranzeo CPQ/5a/SL5/SL2 radios in the shop.Out of 41 radios, I have been able to get 35 of them resurrected, which was very surprising. To be fair, about 6 of them didn't appear to have any problems at all, a firmware update and a signal level test took care of them. One of the most common failures is the dead ethernet port. In some cases, the port was legitimately dead. However, a bad radio card will also make the ethernet port look like it is dead and cause the board to malfunction. I had a box of old CM9 cards that had tested out okay, so I started dropping them into the dead boards and they came right back to life - and are also now 5/10/20mhz channel capable. I marked the bad boards and wireless cards and threw them away. Between the units that had dead cards (with good boards) and dead boards (with good cards) I was able to combine the working parts into several good units. 4 of the units had blown ethernet on Port A, but not on Port B. The 5A and TR-6000 series radios have two ethernet ports, and if the main one is blown out, the secondary one will often still work. I marked the dead ports, upgraded the firmware and put them back in the usable pile. A couple of the n-connector units had broken pigtails internally. That was easy to fix. Two radios had bad ethernet jack/jumpers to the board. Those were also easy to fix. Units manufactured after 2006 or that have spent time in a really hot climate (like Texas) come apart a lot easier. I have two indispensible tools, a long flathead screwdriver and a roofing knife that has one short sharp hooked edge and a longer sharp cutting edge. I can usually pry an edge open with the screwdriver, and then just drive it on down the sides until it splits open. The cutting knife will easily cut through the newer units, but needs some help from the screwdriver on the older units. Putting them back together is pretty simple, although I purposely make them slightly ugly. We have used several different types of sealant to glue the plastic front to the metal backplate, and a choice had to be made. Some types will seal together great, but are nearly impossible to get back apart later without tearing the plastic up. Others will be fine for a while, but lose their stickiness and then the face plate falls off. I decided to keep the maintainability and also keep the faceplate on by laying down silicone sealant on the plastic face, and then drilling four holes on the corners and putting a small bolt/washer/nut in the corners. This makes them look somewhat Frankensteinish which is probably appropriate - but they are easy to maintain with this setup. Some of the shells/antennas are going to have different boards put in them. Some are going to get WRAP boards with StarOS and a pigtail and will become repeaters. Some are getting WAR1 boards with StarOS and high powered 2.4 cards and will be used as CPEs for difficult installs or power users.Some are getting Mikrotik RB112 boards and 2.4cards and will be used as CPEs - but apparently only in places where we aren't running 10mhz channels since Mikrotik seems to have problems in CPE mode. I really hope that there is a resolution to that Mikrotik problem soon. After dissecting a bunch of them, I have a lot of respect for the Tranzeo units. At least 60% of the failures were bad cards, and those were easy to fix. Most of the board failures had something to do with lighting or power surges, which I would not expect many to survive. Only one of the units showed any kind of water damage, and that could have been an installer's fault. They are tough units that survive both hot and cold temperature extremes, and the enclosures are decent. I still have another 45 or so to go through. Should be fun. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice?
Hey All, I did some field tests (for overseas volunteer project) with some Ubituiti gear; Nanostation2 Bullet2HP. One thing that was surprising was the performance degradation when switching from 20MHz to 10MHz/5MHz. Our tests were Raw Bandwidth Tests(AirOS), Video (VLC UDP Stream), Voice (Trixbox G711 Voice Call), and MTR (Latency, Jitter) I still have data to collect and prepare a report for the tech team, but we did notice that when we switched to 10 or 5MHz bandwidth our voice calls was greatly degraded. Only one way; from Fixed to Mobile I could hear the Fixed station easily. Mobile to Fixed the voice was choppy. We started to get packet loss massive jitter on 10MHz, just going back to 20MHz made the links stable. Fixed Station: On a mountain side - HPOL 9dBI Omni Directional with a Bullet2HP @400mW Mobile Station: 8km away near large body of water - Bullet2HP @400mW w/ 24dBi Directional (HPOL Alignment) -70dbm RSSI Any ideas? We are planning on using 10MHz channels H-Pol to combat any future spectrum pollution and voice calls over this network is expected. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice?
@Travis Johnson - Yes Upgraded to newest firmware for the two units @os10rules - Nope, Fixed was simple AP and Mobile was Station modes os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Running WDS bridged? Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Hey All, I did some field tests (for overseas volunteer project) with some Ubituiti gear; Nanostation2 Bullet2HP. One thing that was surprising was the performance degradation when switching from 20MHz to 10MHz/5MHz. Our tests were Raw Bandwidth Tests(AirOS), Video (VLC UDP Stream), Voice (Trixbox G711 Voice Call), and MTR (Latency, Jitter) I still have data to collect and prepare a report for the tech team, but we did notice that when we switched to 10 or 5MHz bandwidth our voice calls was greatly degraded. Only one way; from Fixed to Mobile I could hear the Fixed station easily. Mobile to Fixed the voice was choppy. We started to get packet loss massive jitter on 10MHz, just going back to 20MHz made the links stable. Fixed Station: On a mountain side - HPOL 9dBI Omni Directional with a Bullet2HP @400mW Mobile Station: 8km away near large body of water - Bullet2HP @400mW w/ 24dBi Directional (HPOL Alignment) -70dbm RSSI Any ideas? We are planning on using 10MHz channels H-Pol to combat any future spectrum pollution and voice calls over this network is expected. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice?
Its not in the field, but it is sitting here in my bedroom looking cool :). I was thinking that using the 10/5MHz bandwidth required one to setup something else. I'm not that familiar with the use of half/quarter rate channels and how that affects the frame transport/packet size etc,. I wonder if it was environment based rather than 'software/configuration' based. If I get some time this evening I might setup the gear again for more focused testing (Testing in the field with volunteers who are cold and hungry dont usually respond well to testing plans). -Israel os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Just for kicks I'd try WDS bridged. Do you have control from where you're at now? Is the equipment still set up? Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: @Travis Johnson - Yes Upgraded to newest firmware for the two units @os10rules - Nope, Fixed was simple AP and Mobile was Station modes os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Running WDS bridged? Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Hey All, I did some field tests (for overseas volunteer project) with some Ubituiti gear; Nanostation2 Bullet2HP. One thing that was surprising was the performance degradation when switching from 20MHz to 10MHz/5MHz. Our tests were Raw Bandwidth Tests(AirOS), Video (VLC UDP Stream), Voice (Trixbox G711 Voice Call), and MTR (Latency, Jitter) I still have data to collect and prepare a report for the tech team, but we did notice that when we switched to 10 or 5MHz bandwidth our voice calls was greatly degraded. Only one way; from Fixed to Mobile I could hear the Fixed station easily. Mobile to Fixed the voice was choppy. We started to get packet loss massive jitter on 10MHz, just going back to 20MHz made the links stable. Fixed Station: On a mountain side - HPOL 9dBI Omni Directional with a Bullet2HP @400mW Mobile Station: 8km away near large body of water - Bullet2HP @400mW w/ 24dBi Directional (HPOL Alignment) -70dbm RSSI Any ideas? We are planning on using 10MHz channels H-Pol to combat any future spectrum pollution and voice calls over this network is expected. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice?
I'm gonna have to set up the environment again. Only thing I cant simulate right now is distance. As long as it wasnt some voodoo config setting that made it work better, I might have to play with the Mobile NS2's settings for it to play nicely. OT: What is CCQ? -Israel Josh Luthman wrote: It is very weird isn't it? Vi is better the Emacs. On 11/22/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Josh: I thought that too. I have a handful of customers on a 5 MHz sector. Winbox shows this: Emacs! Mike At 07:32 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: I believe when you half the channels the rates also get halved - from 54mbit to 27mbit max (that is from 20mhz to 10mhz channels). I also can't see why you're voice would be having problems in half or quarter channels unless there is a software bug. It should only improve unless you're using all available bandwidth. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: First, you should have a better signal than -70 at 5Miles away with a 24dB/NS2 antenna and a B2HP/9dB omni. I get 65 or better with a 19dB panel. Don't forget, 10MHz channel is 1/2 available bandwidth and 5MHz is 1/4 available bandwidth. Really, you will get about 7-10MBit aggregate (depending on how many customers) on a 5MHz channel connected at 54MBit, which requires signals at -74dBm with a good fade margin (10dB). Also, the TX power is significantly less for 54MBps (23dBm) vs 24MBps(28dBm), less than half. Likely, you are connecting at 48MBps or 36Mbps, which at that rate your total available real case bandwidth is as little as 4MBps, while at 20MHz you are at 15+. A narrower channel should not affect your transmission, likely will make signals better, roughly double (+3dBm) from 20-10, and double from 10-5(total +6dBm). Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice? Well next time definitely bring more food! Beef jerky and granola bars. In my testing the narrower channels just made things slower. I was testing in a pristine area where there was no other 5.8GHz going on. From what I hear if the environment had been polluted performance might have actually gone up with the narrower channels. From what I've read narrower channels doesn't effect packet size or transport. But switching to WDS bridged does. Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Its not in the field, but it is sitting here in my bedroom looking cool :). I was thinking that using the 10/5MHz bandwidth required one to setup something else. I'm not that familiar with the use of half/quarter rate channels and how that affects the frame transport/packet size etc,. I wonder if it was environment based rather than 'software/configuration' based. If I get some time this evening I might setup the gear again for more focused testing (Testing in the field with volunteers who are cold and hungry dont usually respond well to testing plans). -Israel os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Just for kicks I'd try WDS bridged. Do you have control from where you're at now? Is the equipment still set up? Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: @Travis Johnson - Yes Upgraded to newest firmware for the two units @os10rules - Nope, Fixed was simple AP and Mobile was Station modes os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Running WDS bridged? Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Hey All, I did some field tests (for overseas volunteer project) with some Ubituiti gear; Nanostation2 Bullet2HP. One thing that was surprising was the performance degradation when switching from 20MHz to 10MHz/5MHz. Our tests were Raw Bandwidth Tests(AirOS), Video (VLC UDP Stream), Voice (Trixbox G711 Voice Call), and MTR (Latency, Jitter) I still have data to collect and prepare a report for the tech team, but we did notice that when we switched to 10 or 5MHz bandwidth our voice calls was greatly degraded. Only one way; from Fixed to Mobile I could hear the Fixed station easily. Mobile to Fixed the voice was choppy. We started to get packet loss
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice?
I think what he is trying to say that given a noise pattern on your 2.4ISM band, a 20MHz signal may be in that noise about lets say 25% of your bandwidth footprint. If you decide to drop down to 5MHz and move your center frequency right onto that noise then you might have just put yourself right on top of the noise. It would seem more susceptible to the noise even if you have the power to get over it. In my case; I'm replacing a network that is a 40MHz 802.11G WDS network that works 'decently' 800kbps-3mbps if you have a good day, an 100kbps on a bad day. It makes sense when we dropped down to a 20MHz channel that the performance dropped. *There are other problems that we are addressing, thermal resets, no QoS, no firmware upgrades, cheap equipment, bad design etc,.* This is in Honduras. We noted other ISM2.4 users at around 3km away using a 9dBi omni vpol using WiSPY 2.4x approximately -81 to -78 dbm in some spots on the 2.4Band. HPOL made it much quieter. -Israel Mike wrote: I should think the opposite is true. Halve the signal, improve signal to noise 3 dB. Half it again and the improvement is 6 dB signal to noise. Should give you way more margin. My tests prove that out. At 08:44 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: IIRC, 5MHz and 10MHz is more sucepstible to interference than 20MHz. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: I'm gonna have to set up the environment again. Only thing I cant simulate right now is distance. As long as it wasnt some voodoo config setting that made it work better, I might have to play with the Mobile NS2's settings for it to play nicely. OT: What is CCQ? -Israel Josh Luthman wrote: It is very weird isn't it? Vi is better the Emacs. On 11/22/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Josh: I thought that too. I have a handful of customers on a 5 MHz sector. Winbox shows this: Emacs! Mike At 07:32 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: I believe when you half the channels the rates also get halved - from 54mbit to 27mbit max (that is from 20mhz to 10mhz channels). I also can't see why you're voice would be having problems in half or quarter channels unless there is a software bug. It should only improve unless you're using all available bandwidth. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: First, you should have a better signal than -70 at 5Miles away with a 24dB/NS2 antenna and a B2HP/9dB omni. I get 65 or better with a 19dB panel. Don't forget, 10MHz channel is 1/2 available bandwidth and 5MHz is 1/4 available bandwidth. Really, you will get about 7-10MBit aggregate (depending on how many customers) on a 5MHz channel connected at 54MBit, which requires signals at -74dBm with a good fade margin (10dB). Also, the TX power is significantly less for 54MBps (23dBm) vs 24MBps(28dBm), less than half. Likely, you are connecting at 48MBps or 36Mbps, which at that rate your total available real case bandwidth is as little as 4MBps, while at 20MHz you are at 15+. A narrower channel should not affect your transmission, likely will make signals better, roughly double (+3dBm) from 20-10, and double from 10-5(total +6dBm). Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice? Well next time definitely bring more food! Beef jerky and granola bars. In my testing the narrower channels just made things slower. I was testing in a pristine area where there was no other 5.8GHz going on. From what I hear if the environment had been polluted performance might have actually gone up with the narrower channels. From what I've read narrower channels doesn't effect packet size or transport. But switching to WDS bridged does. Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Its not in the field, but it is sitting here in my bedroom looking cool :). I was thinking that using the 10/5MHz bandwidth required one to setup something else. I'm not that familiar with the use of half/quarter rate channels and how that affects the frame transport/packet size etc,. I wonder
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice?
FWIW, I have had oustanding results with 10mhz channels for voice traffic. We are currently moving all of our old 802.11b APs to 10mhz channel ofdm, and the results are great. 2x bandwidth capacity, lower latency and the ability to put up more sectors if needed. Also, VOIP works much better than it did on the 802.11b stuff, which just barely worked even if the AP was lightly loaded. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: Less chance of an issue but the issue is more damaging is this point. On 11/23/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: However, if the noise is outside of the 10mhz channel size (say 5mhz on each side), the 10mhz link will work perfect, while the 20mhz link will have loss and latency. With smaller channel sizes, you have LESS of a chance of having noise issues. Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: Doesn't matter. If the interference is there, it's there. If your radio has no where to spread out the signal and avoid that interference, you're dead. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Right but you have another 6db to get a stronger signal. On 11/22/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Yes, you get more signal, but you have much less spectrum for your spread spectrum radio to operate in. Spread spectrum doesn't always use the full 20MHz, it will skip around -- that's the spread part of it. So if you lower that to 5MHz, then you have virtually no spread and anything that may be inside that 5MHz will cause you a much more deteriorated performance than if it was in your 20MHz. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I should think the opposite is true. Halve the signal, improve signal to noise 3 dB. Half it again and the improvement is 6 dB signal to noise. Should give you way more margin. My tests prove that out. At 08:44 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: IIRC, 5MHz and 10MHz is more sucepstible to interference than 20MHz. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com wrote: I'm gonna have to set up the environment again. Only thing I cant simulate right now is distance. As long as it wasnt some voodoo config setting that made it work better, I might have to play with the Mobile NS2's settings for it to play nicely. OT: What is CCQ? -Israel Josh Luthman wrote: It is very weird isn't it? Vi is better the Emacs. On 11/22/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Josh: I thought that too. I have a handful of customers on a 5 MHz sector. Winbox shows this: Emacs! Mike At 07:32 PM 11/22/2009, you wrote: I believe when you half the channels the rates also get halved - from 54mbit to 27mbit max (that is from 20mhz to 10mhz channels). I also can't see why you're voice would be having problems in half or quarter channels unless there is a software bug. It should only improve unless you're using all available bandwidth. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: First, you should have a better signal than -70 at 5Miles away with a 24dB/NS2 antenna and a B2HP/9dB omni. I get 65 or better with a 19dB panel. Don't forget, 10MHz channel is 1/2 available bandwidth and 5MHz is 1/4 available bandwidth. Really, you will get about 7-10MBit aggregate (depending on how many customers) on a 5MHz channel connected at 54MBit, which requires signals at -74dBm with a good fade margin (10dB). Also, the TX power is significantly less for 54MBps (23dBm) vs 24MBps(28dBm), less than half. Likely, you are connecting at 48MBps or 36Mbps, which at that rate your total available real case bandwidth is as little as 4MBps, while at 20MHz you are at 15+. A narrower channel should not affect your transmission, likely will make
[WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
This is not your typical OFDM radio set - the back end is a licensed type radio setup to run in 24ghz. I'm not that worried about rain fade around here. Western Nebraska used to be considered part of the Great American Desert - so heavy rain or snow is not a regular occurrence. I've got two other wireless links that get back to that location from other places, so if it does drop out, I can cover it. FWIW, the 85meg testing was not the rigorous testing that many do - I just did a simple tcp test between the RB1000 routers on both sides to see what speeds I would get. My guess is that the RB1000s are the limitation, not the radio. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Brad Belton wrote: I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice?
No. I didn't upgrade firmware on Saturday. I checked firmware on Friday and upgraded the units. Files used are: NanoStation2-v3.5.build4494.bin Bullet2HP-v3.5.build4494.bin I'm gonna go setup the gear this afternoon. Robert West wrote: Newest as in the firmware that came out on Saturday? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10MHz, 5MHz - unstable for voice? @Travis Johnson - Yes Upgraded to newest firmware for the two units @os10rules - Nope, Fixed was simple AP and Mobile was Station modes os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Running WDS bridged? Greg On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Israel Lopez-LISTS wrote: Hey All, I did some field tests (for overseas volunteer project) with some Ubituiti gear; Nanostation2 Bullet2HP. One thing that was surprising was the performance degradation when switching from 20MHz to 10MHz/5MHz. Our tests were Raw Bandwidth Tests(AirOS), Video (VLC UDP Stream), Voice (Trixbox G711 Voice Call), and MTR (Latency, Jitter) I still have data to collect and prepare a report for the tech team, but we did notice that when we switched to 10 or 5MHz bandwidth our voice calls was greatly degraded. Only one way; from Fixed to Mobile I could hear the Fixed station easily. Mobile to Fixed the voice was choppy. We started to get packet loss massive jitter on 10MHz, just going back to 20MHz made the links stable. Fixed Station: On a mountain side - HPOL 9dBI Omni Directional with a Bullet2HP @400mW Mobile Station: 8km away near large body of water - Bullet2HP @400mW w/ 24dBi Directional (HPOL Alignment) -70dbm RSSI Any ideas? We are planning on using 10MHz channels H-Pol to combat any future spectrum pollution and voice calls over this network is expected. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure
Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right now, the outage is going on 12 hours and there is no ETA for repair in sight. The word coming down is that the outage is on a Qwest fiber, but it looks to me like both parties should be on the hot seat for not having the ability to route around the problem.There was a four hour outage on Charter a week ago that was caused by a fiber cut in Gothenburg, Nebraska. That one killed everything west of the cut, but it was small potatoes compared to this one. Is this truly the level of performance that we can expect from our major Internet backbone providers? It took me about 10 seconds to re-route my traffic to a backup provider - you would think that a couple of multimillion dollar companies would be able to sort out a problem of this nature in a reasonable amount of time. The small CLEC that I use for my backup connection had enough capacity to route around the problem and was even able to lend me a little bit after 5pm when the traffic on their network (mostly businesses) dropped off. It isn't rocket science to figure out how to route around an outage. Almost as frustrating is that there was NO news about the outages anywhere except on the social networking sites (Facebook, Twitter). One TV station in Hastings, NE put up a short story on their website, but I got more news from the tweets and FB posts that people where posting from their cell phones than I did from anywhere else. None of the network outage sites have any news about this. Could this be a harbinger of things to come? I am feeling pretty thankful right now that I have a choice in backbone providers and that I kept a second one. Diversity is a good thing, and this is a great example of why we need competition and multiple options for Internet. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure
It was resolved about 1:30am MST. I watched the first pings start passing from my edge router and switched back over within about 10 seconds. Charter didn't call anyone until 5am, so that is the time we are using to figure our credits. I get a $40 credit on next months bill. Whoopideee d!! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: Outages mailing list had one member claim it was resolved at 2:30am. Is this not so? On 12/1/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is why we have 3 different providers, with different paths out of our NOC and on different fiber pairs leaving town. Qwest had an outage here about 9 months ago that took two of my competitors completely down for 5 hours... yet we were completely unaffected. :) Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right now, the outage is going on 12 hours and there is no ETA for repair in sight. The word coming down is that the outage is on a Qwest fiber, but it looks to me like both parties should be on the hot seat for not having the ability to route around the problem.There was a four hour outage on Charter a week ago that was caused by a fiber cut in Gothenburg, Nebraska. That one killed everything west of the cut, but it was small potatoes compared to this one. Is this truly the level of performance that we can expect from our major Internet backbone providers? It took me about 10 seconds to re-route my traffic to a backup provider - you would think that a couple of multimillion dollar companies would be able to sort out a problem of this nature in a reasonable amount of time. The small CLEC that I use for my backup connection had enough capacity to route around the problem and was even able to lend me a little bit after 5pm when the traffic on their network (mostly businesses) dropped off. It isn't rocket science to figure out how to route around an outage. Almost as frustrating is that there was NO news about the outages anywhere except on the social networking sites (Facebook, Twitter). One TV station in Hastings, NE put up a short story on their website, but I got more news from the tweets and FB posts that people where posting from their cell phones than I did from anywhere else. None of the network outage sites have any news about this. Could this be a harbinger of things to come? I am feeling pretty thankful right now that I have a choice in backbone providers and that I kept a second one. Diversity is a good thing, and this is a great example of why we need competition and multiple options for Internet. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure
My neighbor who is also on Charter was able to route through us, and did so during their last outage. He still has a couple of T1s through ATT that are paid through the end of December, so he ended up routing through those during this one. OSPF and properly setup costs/NAT rules is wonderful. Two months ago, power outages struck a line that cut the power to the three towers that provide redundant connections to the far eastern side of my network. The five towers on the other side re-routed out through my neighbor's network for a couple of hours until the connection was restored. I need to find someone to connect with in Casper, WY and Rawlins, WY and then I'll have full survivability out to the edges of my system. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Mike Hammett wrote: This is where it would be nice if WISPs were friendly enough with each other in their area to interconnect their networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:54 AM To: Telecom Regulation the Internet cyberteleco...@listserv.aol.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motorola-us...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right now, the outage is going on 12 hours and there is no ETA for repair in sight. The word coming down is that the outage is on a Qwest fiber, but it looks to me like both parties should be on the hot seat for not having the ability to route around the problem.There was a four hour outage on Charter a week ago that was caused by a fiber cut in Gothenburg, Nebraska. That one killed everything west of the cut, but it was small potatoes compared to this one. Is this truly the level of performance that we can expect from our major Internet backbone providers? It took me about 10 seconds to re-route my traffic to a backup provider - you would think that a couple of multimillion dollar companies would be able to sort out a problem of this nature in a reasonable amount of time. The small CLEC that I use for my backup connection had enough capacity to route around the problem and was even able to lend me a little bit after 5pm when the traffic on their network (mostly businesses) dropped off. It isn't rocket science to figure out how to route around an outage. Almost as frustrating is that there was NO news about the outages anywhere except on the social networking sites (Facebook, Twitter). One TV station in Hastings, NE put up a short story on their website, but I got more news from the tweets and FB posts that people where posting from their cell phones than I did from anywhere else. None of the network outage sites have any news about this. Could this be a harbinger of things to come? I am feeling pretty thankful right now that I have a choice in backbone providers and that I kept a second one. Diversity is a good thing, and this is a great example of why we need competition and multiple options for Internet. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
I realize that the request went out to stop this thread. However, health care represents more cost to my business than my Internet backbone, so it has quite a bit of bearing on my ability to do business and I consider this to be a good discussion to have. --- Our current health care system is a terrible mess. There is best in the world health care available in the US - if you are very well off or have outstanding company provided insurance.People that are very poor can get some basic help. Everyone in the middle is screwed - stuck paying almost intolerable monthly premiums for shoddy insurance and oftentimes even shoddier care. The system has been optimized to benefit drug companies, insurance companies and the administrative wings of our hospital systems.It is extreme capitalism - designed by lobbyists - and it needs to change before it strangles the life out of the middle class. This is also not a partisan rant. I don't have a lot of confidence that the current administration is going to be able to come up with something that will make enough of a difference. I wish the Democrats spent more time trying to figure out how to root out the corruption in the current system instead of how to plug taxpayer money into the leaking dike. The corruption has always been there, but the last Republican administration was happy to provide fertile ground for that corruption to grow and really take off. I'm equally torqued off at both parties! I have several personal, painful examples of the failures in our health care system. At our staff meeting earlier this week, I found out that our health insurance premium was increasing by $1100/month. There is no increase in benefit for my employees or anything else that would justify this increase. My monthly bill was $5600/month before, now it is going to be $6700/month. This is for a business that has 7 full time employees and one part timer (who is the wife of another employee). Health insurance is now costing me ~$1000 per employee, per month. That is $84,000 per year! We are scrambling to find a new provider, and should be able to transfer to another health insurance company in January sometime - but it is going to cost us a ton in lost time and productivity, along with another round of policy transfer costs. I know, because we have had to do it four times now in the six years we have been in business. The insurance we have is pretty minimal - high deductibles and no frills at all, no one is really old or particularly unhealthy and no one is really happy with it. I'm giving some thought to bringing back the you are on your own system that my dad used to implement on the ranch. Each employee gets $x/month to pay for insurance or put into savings for health care expenses - and it is their responsibility. I have a feeling that plan is not going to get a lot of acceptance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Here is another example. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and had to get a CPAP machine. I used to play in a band with the guy who sells the CPAP machines and found out a lot about how the business side works. I had to pay $350 for the machine. He billed my insurance company $1500. The insurance company only paid $900 because he has to provide them some kind of discount. The insurance company had a new reason to raise my rates. Everyone had their finger in the pie. Amazingly enough, could have bought the same machine online for $500, but instead our health care system is set up to increase costs at all points along the transaction path. Good for capitalism, bad for consumers. Unfortunately, this example is inconsequential when compared to the far larger examples of gross abuse of accounting and paperpushing that is driving our health care costs through the roof. The most painful example has to do with sanitation. Apparently, our hospitals have some problems with basic sanitation and view sterilization procedures as unnecessary and belittling bureaucratic intrusion. I read an article about this in the Atlantic monthly - http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care - and instantly felt a surge of anger and sadness about this story of failures in our health care system. The author of the article lost his father due in part to complications from infections that he got while in the hospital. I lost my father in 2004, and although the technical cause of death was a heart attack, the heart attack was actually caused by a blood clot that lodged in his heart. The clot was precipitated by the blood thinners that he was on at the time that were part of the response to a staph infection that he got while he was in the hospital being treated for something else. The Wall Street Journal - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123854497651476109.html - suggests that nearly 200,000 people a year die because of clotting after surgery or
Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff
From attending an OpenStreetMap lecture, I recommend GPS Babel. http://www.gpsbabel.org/ Going to Google Earth (KML/KMZ) is a good idea. -Izzy Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know the routes to be used etc. I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out here to follow our routes. Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS unit and upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS, Google maps, TopoUSA or whatever. Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how to do that or to export that data to something others could download. Anyone here good with such projects? thanks! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Crazy Tech Support
Just when I thought I'd seen everything We have a customer who lives in a converted missile silo that has been using our services for a few months. He's an engineer and has been a real pain in the butt at times when he thinks there is a problem with his connection. He has no cable, no satellite and no landline or cell phone service, so he pretty much lives on his $39.95/month Internet connection and MagicJack VOIP phone - while constantly downloading video streams. Unfortunately, I had worked with him on another project and has my cell phone number so he continually calls me at all times if his connection speed drops below what he thinks it should be at. Before, he was calling our after-hours tech support line continuously until I told him that he would be charged for the calls if he kept doing it. We did identify a backhaul problem at one point, but the rest of the issues have been localized interference at his location, as no other customers seem to be affected by it. Anyway - he calls yesterday on his VOIP phone to tell me that he has Internet problems. I login to the AP and see that his quality is terrible (although everyone else on the AP is fine) so I try to tell him that I'll change the channel. I change the channel and things clean up, then I logged into his radio to make sure the settings were okay, then rebooted it. The radio did not come back. So I sent a message to my staff: I believe a power cycle will get him back on , but I can’t call him because he uses that Magic Jack phone. Anyway, in the event that he reactivates a cold war missile silo signaling system and gets in touch with tech support, a power cycle should get him back online. This afternoon, I get a call from a local number, and it is an old man who is saying something about Matt Larsen calling on the radio having problems with his Internet. After about five minutes of slow, patient questions, I finally determine that he is a Ham Radio operator and has been getting calls from a guy in Kimball wanting to know what is wrong with the Internet down there. So, in effect, mr. missile silo reactivated a cold war signaling system (Ham Radio) and I got the message back to him that he needs to power cycle. Unfortunately, a power cycle didn't fix the problem, so now I am going across town to the radio operator's house to see if I can provide reconfigure his CPE over ham radio. This should be interesting. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crazy Tech Support
Mission accomplished. Customer is back on line. I have a hard time understanding how this would be a pecuniary interest situation, as neither operator was receiving money for the call and this is not a common occurrence. It might be in a gray area, however I also had another gray area to deal with - the 110 miles of blizzard condition driving that would have been necessary to make 30 seconds worth of changes to his CPE radio.Certainly can't be a whole lot at stake for five minutes of airtime. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 14:36 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just when I thought I'd seen everything We have a customer who lives in a converted missile silo that has been using our services for a few months. He's an engineer and has been a real pain in the butt at times when he thinks there is a problem with his connection. He has no cable, no satellite and no landline or cell phone service, so he pretty much lives on his $39.95/month Internet connection and MagicJack VOIP phone snip I finally determine that he is a Ham Radio operator and has been getting calls from a guy in Kimball wanting to know what is wrong with the Internet down there. So, in effect, mr. missile silo reactivated a cold war signaling system (Ham Radio) and I got the message back to him that he needs to power cycle. Unfortunately, a power cycle didn't fix the problem, so now I am going across town to the radio operator's house to see if I can provide reconfigure his CPE over ham radio. This should be interesting. hi matt... i don't think you can legally do that over ham radio as that is pecuniary interest and the ham could get in trouble for it and you are a business. Leon WA4ZLW WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM To:
[WISPA] Blackberry email problems
We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Nebraska
...just put a serious beat down on Arizona in the Holiday Bowl. Proud to be a Husker today! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Capitalism is fine. When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to severely undermine their competitors and hold back progress in the name of profits - that is no longer capitalism. That is exactly what has happened to the telecom industry in the last ten years. Capitalism requires competition, a fair set of rules for the players and a fair amount of creative destruction. Today's telecom industry is severely lacking in all three of these things. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: There is a problem with allowing companies being capitalistic? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending goodies to his country comrades from SBC. Faked birth certificate? Insinuations of local state pork mongering on a $160,000 loan? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for stuff to whine about. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marco Coelho wrote: Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our current president and all... just an observation. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow and wirelesscowboys.com
I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves. The site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. For those of you that don't know me, I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site http://www.wispdirectory.com. My college degree is in journalism and this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the wireless mailling lists. I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how they finally got it. It is an eye opener for people who are not directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday struggles that WISPs face. My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future. If you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com. Thanks and have a great weekend! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wispdirectory.com wirelesscowboys.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Story of Medicine Bow (Part II) now online
I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves. The site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. For those of you that don't know me, I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site http://www.wispdirectory.com. My college degree is in journalism and this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the wireless mailling lists. I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how they finally got it. It is an eye opener for people who are not directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday struggles that WISPs face. Parts I and II of the story have been posted on the site. My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future. If you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com. Thanks and have a great weekend! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wispdirectory.com wirelesscowboys.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 3 of 8 now online
The Story of Medicine Bow Part 3 of 8 is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow - Part 4 now online - Making a Difference with Junk Spectrum
Headed to the Ubiquiti conference in Vegas tomorrow, so I'm putting this one out a little early. This section covers how WISPs use guerilla warfare against telcos/cellcos with unlicensed spectrum. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow - Part 4 now online - Making a Difference with Junk Spectrum
Forgot the URL: http://www.wirelesscowboys.com Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Headed to the Ubiquiti conference in Vegas tomorrow, so I'm putting this one out a little early. This section covers how WISPs use guerilla warfare against telcos/cellcos with unlicensed spectrum. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Story of Medicine Bow Part 6 of 8 is now online
Part 6 of The Story of Medicine Bow is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/. This segment describes the equipment we decided to use for the deployment and the planning that went into the project. Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com Wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Worthless hardware list from stupid companies willing to sell junk to us.
I don't know why Tranzeo has had so many problems with their 2.4ghz CPEs, but there is a pretty well defined history of issues with them. However, I have a couple of their 5ghz APs and about ten of their 900mhz APs, and they have never had any problems. One of my 5ghz APs has 90+ subs on it. No problems whatsoever. Only caveat is that it is a 5amp unit and I have not upgraded the firmware past 2.0.19 because that led to some kind of drop in signal strength. My suspicion is that the lockup problem has some relevance to network design - an inability to handle certain types of traffic patterns that are produced by bridged networks. My pet theory is that the wifi gear that doesn't handle bridging well weeds out the people who don't know how to design networks correctly (i.e. with routing). Then the weak ones either struggle or install Canopy. ;^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Deep sigh. I've about had it with companies that sell crap. I can understand the need to ship product that hasn't been tested in every possible scenario. But when you do that issue a fix TODAY, not next week, or more often, never. Tranzeo has had lock up issues with the TR6000 and TR6600 for at least a year now! I know they work for some people, but for others they don't. Just because it doesn't happen to everyone doesn't mean it's not a problem. The CPE units work great for me. They rarely lock up, don't fail (less than 3% I think over 3 or so years) etc. The weather sealing system could be much easier to deal with, especially up in the air with cold fingers, but I've never had one leak. Oh yeah, they had that idiotic problem between them and MT. Why that took a public flogging and how many months to figure out I'll never understand. You two should have taken the time to pick up the damned phone, called each other and worked out a solution to the problem. Today!! Why did WE have to figure out what was wrong? I now have 5 or 6 Tranzeo AP's in place. They don't all create a problem, but how am I supposed to guess which one will screw up next and where it'll do that? I have one that requires daily, sometimes more often, rebooting right now. I can power cycle it and it'll pass traffic but it won't ever allow me to log into it. When it locks up you can see it (both wirelessly and ethernet) but you can't log into it. It's like the data flow gets stuck. Is it THAT hard to send a device of some kind out to see if there is a traceable issue? How hard would it be to develop a special firmware that will gather data and send it back to the factory? SOMETHING causes these units to lock up. Heck, send out an engineer, I'll even feed him. But fix the problem!!! As it stands today, I'll NEVER buy another Tranzeo AP. Ever. It won't matter to me what fancy new toy they create because I don't trust them to fix any issues that might show up in a timely manor. If they are on to bigger and better things (3650), then say so and stop selling the crap radios. It's much better to have frustrated customers than pissed off ones. And then there is Alvarion. I have a site at a radio station right now. No it's not built right, no shielded cable, nothing is grounded right etc. I'll grant that. I have 4 devices up there that are acting up. 2 Alvarion, one MT and one digital logger. They will misnegotiate ethernet speeds. Drop packets, work or not work. No rhyme or reason. Here's the kicker, the site has been there for over 6 years now. It's been there EXACTLY like it is for months. Suddenly the alvarion gear quits working due to ethernet problems. (The MT started later after changes were made and the Digital Logger was installed after the problem started.) Know what REALLY sucks? Inscape Data, StarOS, Airaya, Trango and (of all things) smartBridges gear just kept on ticking. A known POS ap from smartBridges is working better than a $2500 unit from Alvarion. And the Trango is still working, that's what I pulled out to put in the Alvarion! Yes I know part of this is probably my fault on this one. But I'd still expect the cheap gear to fail long before the top of the line stuff! I didn't want any failures! That's why I put in the Alvarion. (more about what's happening at this site in another email.) Now I know stuff happens. But what REALLY pissed me off about Alvarion lately is the tech support. I needed help with a device (still can't get a firmware upgrade done) and I had to set up an account, contact my sales company and then THEY had to send me back to Alvarion. What the heck is THIS? If you sell me a product, support it! I can see a need to tell folks to hire outside helps to fix a problem that just doesn't make sense. But if I call and need help they should at least try! Especially when things aren't working right. The list of companies that
Re: [WISPA] Typical Sector count
We've been doing 3x120 in 2.4ghz and 5ghz. Using StarOS on the X4000 boards, it is right around $1000 for a three sector setup, and that includes the AP and antennas. Mounting hardware and labor varies according to the type of installation. If it is a rooftop or other structure that doesn't require climbing, then the labor is usually a days worth of staff time to haul the gear up and point it. I generally don't put anything over 100' up on a tower, so if I figure a day for a crew to hang the gear, its about $500-$1000 for the tower crew to do that work. Mounting hardware is usually a couple of DB365 clamps and metal electrical conduit ($100-$150). 100-150' of shielded cat-5 ($30?) goes up the tower to power the unit. On the ground, a typical site will include a power controller ($150), Mikrotik switch ($100), UPS ($200-$500) and soon we will be putting in some kind of environmental sensor that my lead tech is working on (~$250). Overall, a three sector installation for me would be composed of: X4000 AP $400 Antennas $600 Labor $800 (average) Mounts $150 Wire $30 PowerController $150 Switch $100 UPS $300 SensorPack $250 $2780 I would put it in the $2500 to $3000 ballpark.$1000 per sector, all in. That sounds about right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com RickG wrote: I agree with this. For example: What should be my best tower is one of my worst because it is quad-sectored. I have a simular tower at another location that is tri-sectored and it performs better than expected. As far as an omni, I use them only where the spectrum is clean, eventually switching to sectors when the subscriber numbers require it. -RickG On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Mike, Just my 2 cents worth (after 50 years of RF experience). In many cases, four 90-degree sectors is a waste of money. You will have more sector overlap than need. Three 120-degree sectors is just as effective and costs less. A single omni is normally a bad idea. You have no protection from interference coming in from any direction. jack Mike Hammett wrote: Since Patrick posed that question about cost for a typical 3 sector tower, I ask the following question: How many sectors is typical for you? My answer is 4x 90*, unless it's a small area repeater, which is then a single omni, or different as that situation requires. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good?
To resolve this issue, most webmails have the ability to limit how many emails are sent within a certain period of time or use captcha to make it a PITA to send out mass spams. -Eric - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: 2009-01-08 16:31 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good? os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds like what you really have to do is tighten up your webmail. It's better to fix that than to put a band-aid on it. Though a good smtp spam filter is never a bad idea. The problem is that the Web mail isn't broken, as such. The attackers are using legitimate credentials to log in and send mail. Unfortunately, the mail software in question doesn't have rate-limits on a per-sender basis. I know, I should join the rest of you in the early 21st century. Anyone know of a reliable IIS geolocation filter? That'd solve the problem in an even more crazy roundabout way. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
I just lent a pair of Bullet5 units to a friend who is planning to replace some old upconverted Alvarion BH units on a 26 mile link with 2' dishes. That should be an interesting test. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mac Dearman
Our good friend and fellow WISP operator Mac Dearman is in the hospital after suffering chest pains on Saturday. It was determined that he did have a heart attack and he will be undergoing further tests tomorrow at the hospital in Shreveport. Please send your thoughts and prayers to Mac and his family right now. Mac is a great friend and a true American hero - lets help him get through this. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking for used Tranzeo 900 Series radios
Hi there, If you have some of the old Tranzeo 900 series radios that you are no longer using or would like to get rid of, let me know. I have a project I'm working on and I'd like to come up with 5-10 of them. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's?
The TerraWave antenna looks exactly like the PacWireless model. Perhaps it is manufactured in the same place in China, but is sold under a different brand name? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Tom DeReggi wrote: Good question...We searched for a long time to find good 5.X wide band omnis. Some were horrid, and others were good, but there are not a lot of chocies. The winner was Terrawave, distributed by Tessco. http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=321805eventPage=3 They are nicely sized, available, and exceeded our expectations on every install. I highly recommend them. Again they have wideband models, 5.2-5.8G. We also ended up really liking our Radial/larson omni. It was rated for 5.3, and 9 or 10dbi, but it seemed to work well on the full wide band, and better than some of the other 12 dbi models we found. Its also worth noting that Proxim's 10dbi 5.8 omni has electrical downtilt of about 2 degrees. So dependend on where your target customers are located, (if on ground) its feasible it could perform as good as 12dbi alternative models. 12dbi antennas are known for going over clients heads, because narrow beamwidth, for nearfiled customers near the ground. I'm pretty sure Winncomm stocks them. I'd warn against using this one. http://www.wifi-link.com/product.php?action=productclass1_id=1class2_id=50class3_id=349product_id=813 We bought two 5.xGhz 12db models, and we got inconsistent performance. One had 6db lower signal, and the other had about 8 db lower signal, than our 8dbi Larson that we used in the same test environments. Basically, in the lab, we saw the results, but thought maybe it was indoor multipath, so went to test in the field. In the field, the CPEs could barely associate, until we replaced the antenna with the Larson. (Tests were roof top to roof top, on commercial tenant buildings 300 yards away.) I was concerned about the verticle beam being to narrow, so I tilted my mast, to point (perpendicular)directly to the other CPE, and results did not improve. I'm not sure if this was just a bad batch or what. It also concerned me that it was as tall as a typical 2.4G antenna. PS. wifi-link sells nice ethernet passthrus, inexpensively. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5 gig omni's? If it works I would suggest sticking with it. My second choice for antennas is HyperLink On 1/17/09, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: I need a few 5 gig omni's for use in small neighborhood. In the past I used the pac wireless 5 gig omni's rated at 12db. What else is there, I'd like to try something new. Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150 subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09 guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) doesn't mean that it can't be done right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better real world experience than that? :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 technology. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with my star-os AP's. They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even nicer??? The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible after you mount and aim it. Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No need for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. Opinion I like them. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Travis, Ok, I'm game. First of all, a plain 802.11g wireless AP should be thrown in the junk pile and replaced with StarOS or MT.Depending on the quality of signal and modulation rates from the majority of the users, I would have also removed some of the higher mods to reduce rate shifts. And then, I would have set up bandwidth profiles for each user to something in the 1meg down/512K up range. That would pretty much fix the bandwidth and latency problem. When I do your upload test, I don't have the same problems. I do bandwidth control in the access point, and with upload rates set to half of the download rates, I have no problem putting 50 to 75 users on one AP and still provide good download speeds (1meg/2meg/4meg packages) with decent latency (20-40ms latency at peaks) and no packet loss. That is also with quite a few VOIP users who would be howling if the service didn't work. BTW, Canopy radios at $160 are double the cost of a NanoStation. Canopy with a reflector is 3x the cost of a Bullet5 and 26db grid. StarOS APs are at least 1/4th the cost of a comparable Canopy AP. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth and latency at AF09? And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem. I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. ;) And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150 subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09 guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) doesn't mean that it can't be done right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better real world experience than that? :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 technology. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with my star-os AP's. They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal mount = very cheap 5
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Preparing to launch the Holy War Hand Grenade.:^) On the AF09 wireless, I am just following the terms you gave me as a typical example of 802.11 not scaling. If there is only one access point for 50 users, then yes - cap it at 1Mbps. How much do temporary users need? If they needed 10meg, I would have deployed three 802.11b/g APs on different channels with different ESSIDs, and an 802.11a AP. A single X4000 board with StarOS and four omni antennas would have handled that just fine while delivering 5meg or so per client. But your real world example was a single AP. If someone wants to bottleneck a 300Mbps link with a single AP and then point out how bad that single AP performs, that is just bad network design and you can't hold 802.11 to blame for the problem. As far as polling goes, it just has not proven to be necessary to provide a quality level of service in many cases, including 99.9% of my customers. Note that I did not say ALL cases, as there are situations where polling does make sense - especially when you get beyond the 50-75 user per sector mark. I just haven't had any use for it because the extra costs of deployment did not justify the minimal benefits since nearly all of my APs are below the 50-75 users per sector range. I am familiar with the testing that you did with the 802.11 gear, but something just doesn't add up in your results, because my results are way different. Not knowing details, I'm going to make the assumption that you were using symmetrical bandwidth profiles (1meg up/1meg down), full speed with no bursting, and that your bandwidth control was being done at some point behind the access point. To get a higher number of users on an 802.11 AP, the upload rates need to be limited. The key is picking the tradeoff that works best. With symmetrical speeds and multimegabit packages, 20-30 users per AP is probably all you are going to get. With asymmetrical bandwidth packages, the available duty cycles for delivering data to customers are maximized and the latency issues you mentioned are mimimized. Bursting is another key feature to have available on 802.11 networks, since it gets the short data requests delivered faster. Bursting enabled us to double the number of users on an AP without issues. Having the bandwidth control on the AP, and not a device somewhere behind it - also seems to help considerably, and minimizes the chances of issues coming up between the wireless link and the bandwidth controller. In my tests, I can start simultaneous uploads or downloads on multiple CPE units on a loaded AP and still maintain decent latency (jumps from 2ms to 20-25ms) with no packet loss. YMMV, but that is what I see on my system, deployed in this manner. I'm glad that Canopy works for you and the others that use it. I have no use for it whatsoever because the 802.11 gear does what it needs to do when deployed in this fashion. When I have customers that need to make the move beyond what our system is capable of, I'm going to spend the money on 3.65 WiMax gear. Even without a promo, I could put up 24 sectors of StarOS for less than $300 each. Or I could deploy 12 sectors and 12 backhauls. Or I could deploy 12 sectors, 12 backhauls and 3 full duplex links. And that includes real, external antennas and not the little crappy patch antennas inside of the Canopy case. And I have open source tools to manage it, not this BAM or PRIZM or whatever crazy stuff that Canopy requires. Your turn. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, This was Animal Farm... they had a 300Mbps link off their fiber backbone into this facility. Why would you cap people at 1Mbps? The issue is without polling, there is no way to control usage in a fair, equal manner. Let me explain what I have found in the last year. We did all kinds of testing with Mikrotik, Nanostations, OSBridge, StarOS, etc. We decided to deploy Mikrotik and use their Nstreme protocol to provide a consistant, polling based solution using off-the-shelf components. We have about 60 AP's deployed. We have found that even with polling and QoS on every single user, the system starts to have issues above 50 users. So we figured no problem, just put up more AP's on the same towers. Even while using only 10mhz channel sizes, you have to have at least 20mhz between AP's or they cause interference. So, we now have some towers with 6 Mikrotik AP's, but instead of using 60mhz of spectrum, we are using more like 180mhz of spectrum. Only having been in the Canopy game for less than a month, I can tell you so far having GPS sync and timing is pretty cool. I can put as many AP's as I want on a tower, and all over everywhere, and I don't have to worry about stepping on myself. So each AP uses 25mhz, but I can get 200+ subs on each AP, and I can deliver 7-10ms latency all the time, to every single user. And,
[WISPA] Tower Climbing Safety Classes
Hello There, I'm looking for some basic tower climbing safety courses. I found one online, directed by ComTrain. http://comtrainusa.com/courses-available/certification-courses/basic-2-days-mainmenu-27 But I would like to see what else is out there. Anyone know of similar companies/courses available? Preferably in California. Thank you kindly. -Israel WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mapping Effort. If you can't donate $$, donate time
Hello Brian, Thank you for your efforts to help us with the mapping and taking the time to make sure that all of the WISPs in Michigan have their coverage areas listed on the WirelessMapping map. I would encourage you (if you have another couple of hours to spend) to send me the list of zip codes serviced by each of the other operators so that I can get the zip code information into the WISP Directory database. I am a little concerned that the data on Brian Webster's map and the WISP Directory database is starting to diverge, so I would encourage anyone who is contributing coverage map information for Brian's map to also include the zip code information. We really need to have that zip code information to back up the data. Brian, in return for your help, I have set you up with Featured status so now Reliable Internet comes up first in any search for Michigan WISP providers. I have done this for Doug Clark in Utah in exchange for his help mapping Utah operators and Rick Harnish in Indiana for his help with the mapping. I will extend that offer to anyone else who wants to earn Featured status for their listing in the directory. Help us fill in the zip codes for your state and I'll set you up with a featured listing. Thanks again for your help! Matt Larsen mlar...@inventivemedia.net Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I just spent three hrs mapping all of Michigan. I went to wispdirectory.com and visited the website of all 37 Michigan wisps. At each website I looked for a list of cities covered or a coverage map. I then put that info in google earth. If they had a coverage map with blobs, I would use lakes, rivers, and roads to draw the blob in google earth the best I could. If they had cities, I typed the city in google earth, and it flies to it. After it is done flying, I clicked the push pin button and then ok. It's quick and easy. I sent the earth file to Brian and he ran it through his process which draws the circle around every city. The info I just submitted accounted for 29,859 square miles. I urge others to step up and take a couple hrs to map their state. I plan on knocking off a few more when I can. Please post if you have done or are going to do one. Brian Rohrbacher WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
