Re: [Zope] dtml-except
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Od: larrymcdonn...@att.net
Komu: zope@zope.org
Odesláno: 4. ríjna 2010 21:57
Predmet: [Zope] dtml-except
Hi,
I need the old timers to help with a zope dtml-try/dtml-except conditions.
I am using Zope 2.6.1. My problem is as follows:
dtml-if expr=fluency_temp''
fluency - dtml-var fluency_temp**
dtml-call REQUEST.set('fluency_test', fluency_temp)
dtml-call string_to_int(fluency_test ,REQUEST)
dtml-try
dtml-call REQUEST.set('fluency', y)
dtml-except ValueError
dtml-call REQUEST.set('name_error', 'error')
dtml-if expr=name_error=='error'
Invalid Number entered
a href=../prek_4_dra_scoring_system/display_student
Click here to go back/a
dtml-else
dtml-call REQUEST.set('student_full_name', student_full_name)
dtml-call REQUEST.set('dra', dra_temp)
dtml-call REQUEST.set('date_scored', ZopeTime())
dtml-call REQUEST.set('fluency', fluency)
dtml-call expr=update_dra_edl_score_1_4_record_eng(REQUEST)
/dtml-if
/dtml-try
/dtml-if
/dtml-in
/dtml-if
I will see an error if I enter a letter and not a number -
Exception Type ValueError
Exception Value invalid literal for int(): a
fluency - dtml-var fluency_temp missing=N/A null=N/A**
dtml-try
dtml-call REQUEST.set('fluency_test', _.int(fluency_temp))
dtml-call REQUEST.set('fluency', y)
dtml-call REQUEST.set('student_full_name', student_full_name)
dtml-call REQUEST.set('dra', dra_temp)
dtml-call REQUEST.set('date_scored', ZopeTime())
dtml-call REQUEST.set('fluency', fluency)
??? what you want to do with this ???
dtml-call expr=update_dra_edl_score_1_4_record_eng(REQUEST)
??? what you want to do with this ???
dtml-except ValueError
dtml-call REQUEST.set('name_error', 'error')
Invalid Number entered
a href=../prek_4_dra_scoring_system/display_student
Click here to go back/a
/dtml-try
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Re: [Zope] dtml-in pagination
Bobby wrote at 2009-4-7 09:58 -0700: td colspan=3 a href=?table=dtml-var tableorder_by=dtml-var order_bysort=dtml-var sortstart=dtml-var previous-sequenceprevious/a a href=?table=dtml-var tableorder_by=dtml-var order_bysort=dtml-var sortstart=dtml-var next-sequencenext/a /td /tr /dtml-if sequence-end /dtml-in Not sure, whether you will find it useful. But, you may have a look at http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html#c37ac15c14b4;. Search there for 4.3.5.2.3. Batch control. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-in pagination
dtml-if REQUEST.has_key('b_start')
dtml-call REQUEST.set('b_start',_.int(b_start))
dtml-else
dtml-call REQUEST.set('b_start',0)
/dtml-if
dtml-call REQUEST.set('size', 3)
dtml-call REQUEST.set('foods',['sandwiches', 'pie', 'meatloaf',
'berries', 'bread', 'coffee',
'some', 'thing', 'else'])
a href=?b_start=dtml-var b_start-sizePrevious dtml-var size/a
dtml-in foods size=size orphan=1 start=b_start
p
dtml-var sequence-item
/p
/dtml-in
a href=?b_start=dtml-var b_start+sizeNext dtml-var size/a
From: http://www.zope.org/Members/peterbe/DTML2ZPT/
Incidently, this is a great resource for moving from DTML to page templates.
There are many examples of batching on ZopeLabs as well, from what I could see
they are for ZPT though.
http://www.zopelabs.com
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From: zope-boun...@zope.org [mailto:zope-boun...@zope.org] On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:48 PM
To: zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-in pagination
Could someone point me to some documentation on how to do pagination? Thanks.
--- On Tue, 4/7/09, Bobby cybercruis...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Bobby cybercruis...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Zope] dtml-in pagination
To: zope@zope.org
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:58 AM
Hi,
I'm trying to do pagination with dtml-in; could one of
you show my why i can't get the next and previous button
from my code below to work?
Also, i need to do view per page: 1,2,3,etc. and allow the
user select the number of records displayed per page (size)
as well. Thanks in advance for any advice.
dtml-in
getTable(table=table,order_by=order_by,sort=sort)
size=10 start=0
dtml-if sequence-end
tr
td colspan=3
a href=?table=dtml-var
tableorder_by=dtml-var
order_bysort=dtml-var
sortstart=dtml-var
previous-sequenceprevious/a
a href=?table=dtml-var
tableorder_by=dtml-var
order_bysort=dtml-var
sortstart=dtml-var
next-sequencenext/a
/td
/tr
/dtml-if sequence-end
/dtml-in
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Re: [Zope] dtml-in pagination
Could someone point me to some documentation on how to do pagination? Thanks. --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Bobby cybercruis...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bobby cybercruis...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zope] dtml-in pagination To: zope@zope.org Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:58 AM Hi, I'm trying to do pagination with dtml-in; could one of you show my why i can't get the next and previous button from my code below to work? Also, i need to do view per page: 1,2,3,etc. and allow the user select the number of records displayed per page (size) as well. Thanks in advance for any advice. dtml-in getTable(table=table,order_by=order_by,sort=sort) size=10 start=0 dtml-if sequence-end tr td colspan=3 a href=?table=dtml-var tableorder_by=dtml-var order_bysort=dtml-var sortstart=dtml-var previous-sequenceprevious/a a href=?table=dtml-var tableorder_by=dtml-var order_bysort=dtml-var sortstart=dtml-var next-sequencenext/a /td /tr /dtml-if sequence-end /dtml-in ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-in
that works, thanks. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: From: Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-in To: cybercruis...@yahoo.com Cc: zope@zope.org Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:56 PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 5:20 Uhr, Bobby wrote: Hi, I have a variable called checkGroup where its values are the record ids that the user selected to be deleted. I have a deleteRecord method that takes two arguements, one the sql table and the record id to be deleted. The code below works fine except for when the user only select one item from the checkGroup list, I get an error string not allow in in. Any suggestions of how I could fix this? Thanks. dtml-in checkGroup dtml-let deleteItem=sequence-item dtml-var deletedRecord(table,deleteItem) /dtml-let /dtml-in Trible check that your form parameters use the ':list' directive within the NAME attributes (check with the Zope Book (docs.zope.org). - -akj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknURWAACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyepgCcCv5yINX6+DenO0SayWY3HnML Jo8AoOlY7ykeWzI/g2jPfklXUVy5wgIS =L0Im -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-in
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 5:20 Uhr, Bobby wrote: Hi, I have a variable called checkGroup where its values are the record ids that the user selected to be deleted. I have a deleteRecord method that takes two arguements, one the sql table and the record id to be deleted. The code below works fine except for when the user only select one item from the checkGroup list, I get an error string not allow in in. Any suggestions of how I could fix this? Thanks. dtml-in checkGroup dtml-let deleteItem=sequence-item dtml-var deletedRecord(table,deleteItem) /dtml-let /dtml-in Trible check that your form parameters use the ':list' directive within the NAME attributes (check with the Zope Book (docs.zope.org). - -akj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknURWAACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyepgCcCv5yINX6+DenO0SayWY3HnML Jo8AoOlY7ykeWzI/g2jPfklXUVy5wgIS =L0Im -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-tree documentation
http://www.zope.org/Members/anthony/tree-coding-tricks and http://www.zope.org/Members/cybertad/how_to/working_with_tree Where can I find out about this 'advanced usage'? Regards Garry ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-tree documentation
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/DTML-HTML/DTML.15.html On 25.05.2008, at 16:54, Garry Saddington wrote: Is there a complete documentation of the dtml-tree tag anywhere? -- Stefan H. Holek [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-tree documentation
--On 25. Mai 2008 15:54:58 +0100 Garry Saddington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a complete documentation of the dtml-tree tag anywhere? The dtml reference of the Zope book has the following for some options: This attribute is for advanced usage only Where can I find out about this 'advanced usage'? Using DTML and related DTML tags is like driving a SUV in the time of climate change. Better look a ZopeTree or something similar (I think there was something like SimpleTree - Google). If you have still three good reasons for using DTML: check with The Zope Book 2.7 edition. -aj pgp8Hkzvf2Y86.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-tree - change icons
(Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 07:10:32PM +0100) Dieter Maurer wrote/schrieb/egrapse: However, I was told that there is a better tree package (forgot its name). We're using ExpansionTree, which is ages-old, but it works. Maybe that was the name you were looking for. Regards, Sascha ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-tree - change icons
Ulla Theiss wrote at 2007-11-21 15:52 +0100: ... we are using the dtml-tree - and we need other pictures for the plus and the minus symbol. How can we change them? The code does not support to change the plus and minus symbols. Your options: * You change the code (-- TreeDisplay.TreeTag.tpRenderTABLE) * You use monkey patching to redefine p_/mi and p_/pl (this will have global effect, of course) * You forget about dtml-tree and use a Page Template based tree package. ZTUtils.Tree contains such a package and Page Templates contains an example how to use it. However, I was told that there is a better tree package (forgot its name). A long time ago, I went for option 3. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml method contents
garry saddington wrote: I found this method on Zopelabs to get the contents of all ZSQL methods. dtml-in ZopeFind(restrictedTraverse(['']), obj_metatypes=['DTML Method'], search_sub=1) h2dtml.-id; (dtml.-title_or_id;)/h2 pidtml-var absolute_url/i/p blockquotepredtml-var template/pre/blockquote /dtml-in Is it possible to do the same with all dtml methods? I have tried replacing template with document_src but this gives a mixture of part rendered methods and error messages which is completely jumbled. Have you tried dtml-var document_src() instead of dtml-var document_src? Regards Garry ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Peter Bengtsson, work www.fry-it.com home www.peterbe.com hobby www.issuetrackerproduct.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml method contents
garry saddington wrote at 2007-8-30 15:46 +0100: I found this method on Zopelabs to get the contents of all ZSQL methods. dtml-in ZopeFind(restrictedTraverse(['']), obj_metatypes=['DTML Method'], search_sub=1) h2dtml.-id; (dtml.-title_or_id;)/h2 pidtml-var absolute_url/i/p blockquotepredtml-var template/pre/blockquote /dtml-in Is it possible to do the same with all dtml methods? I have tried replacing template with document_src but this gives a mixture of part rendered methods and error messages which is completely jumbled. What is the . in dtml.-? In may memory, the . where somewhere else (but I do not use DTML for a long time). Anyway: Use the prefix attribute of dtml-in and replace your template above with yourPrefix_item. ATT: keep the ... around; otherwise, the errors will stay. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml Z SQL doubt
Hi all, I need to insert a row to mysql table if the corresponding data not exist, if it exist i need to update the row. Can we do it using a single Z SQL method. Yes, if your ZSQL will call stored procedure that will handle this logic. Otherwise, I think you can't (but I might be wrong). -- Maciej Wisniowski ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml Z SQL doubt
Remil Mathew schrieb: Hi all, I need to insert a row to mysql table if the corresponding data not exist, if it exist i need to update the row. Can we do it using a single Z SQL method. Well thats not business of ZSQL methods but rather stuff you do with the instruments of your database. Say SQL (or whatever SQL like mysql has there) IIRC, mysql has some kind of UPSERT which should handle it. If not, stored procedure or trigger etc could do it. Regards Tino ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml Z SQL doubt
Just use REPLACE instead of INSERT. If REPLACE statement is able to determine a unique value for a row and sees that that unique value exists for a row, the valued will be updated. If it does not exist, a new row will be inserted. This is what I use with MySQL. Allen Tino Wildenhain wrote: Remil Mathew schrieb: Hi all, I need to insert a row to mysql table if the corresponding data not exist, if it exist i need to update the row. Can we do it using a single Z SQL method. Well thats not business of ZSQL methods but rather stuff you do with the instruments of your database. Say SQL (or whatever SQL like mysql has there) IIRC, mysql has some kind of UPSERT which should handle it. If not, stored procedure or trigger etc could do it. Regards Tino ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml Z SQL doubt
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 08:11:21AM -0400, Allen Schmidt Sr. wrote: Just use REPLACE instead of INSERT. If REPLACE statement is able to determine a unique value for a row and sees that that unique value exists for a row, the valued will be updated. If it does not exist, a new row will be inserted. This is what I use with MySQL. Or, depending on what you want, the INSERT...ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE syntax can be used. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/insert-on-duplicate.html Note that both of these idioms are specific to MySQL and not portable to other databases. -PW -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
A little bit of legacy DTML fun here... Zope 2.9.3
On save of a DTML Method, why would this dtml-call fail:
dtml-let standards=REQUEST.SESSION
dtml-call standards.set('AR-DA-08', AR-DA-08)
/dtml-let
With the error:
Expression (Python) Syntax error: invalid token
Whereas this works fine:
dtml-let standards=REQUEST.SESSION
dtml-call standards.set('AR-DA-07', AR-DA-07)
/dtml-let
I doubt any of that really works. So you happen
to have the variables named AR and DA defined
as numerical values somewhere? Otherwise the expression
makes no sense at all. The leading 0 in 08 and 07 indicates
you might have a completely other illusion on what's going on.
Any reason you cannot write in a python script something like:
REQUEST.SESSION.set('some_resonable_named_variable','AR-DA-07') ?
Could you explain in plain english what your final goal
of your construction is?
Regards
Tino Wildenhain
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Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
En/na [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrit:
A little bit of legacy DTML fun here... Zope 2.9.3
On save of a DTML Method, why would this dtml-call fail:
dtml-let standards=REQUEST.SESSION
dtml-call standards.set('AR-DA-08', AR-DA-08)
/dtml-let
AR - DA - 08
^ octal literal
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Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
+---[ Tino Wildenhain ]--
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
| A little bit of legacy DTML fun here... Zope 2.9.3
|
| On save of a DTML Method, why would this dtml-call fail:
|
| dtml-let standards=REQUEST.SESSION
| dtml-call standards.set('AR-DA-08', AR-DA-08)
| /dtml-let
|
| With the error:
|
| Expression (Python) Syntax error: invalid token
|
| Whereas this works fine:
|
| dtml-let standards=REQUEST.SESSION
| dtml-call standards.set('AR-DA-07', AR-DA-07)
| /dtml-let
|
| I doubt any of that really works. So you happen
| to have the variables named AR and DA defined
| as numerical values somewhere? Otherwise the expression
| makes no sense at all. The leading 0 in 08 and 07 indicates
| you might have a completely other illusion on what's going on.
Apart from all of that;
A leading 0 indicates an octal number. 08 is not a valid octal number, but,
I'll just agree with Tino here, I don't think you know what you're trying to
do. I don't think you want.. AR minus DA minus 8 as the value.
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Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
Hi Tino. Yes, that is correct. This application has variables named
like:
'AR-DA-08'
This also fails in a Page Template:
span tal:define=standards python: request.SESSION
tal:block define=temp python: data.set('AR-DA-08',AR-DA-
08)/tal:block
/span
With the error:
Compilation failed
TAL.TALDefs.TALError: Python expression error:
invalid token (Python expression data.set('AR-DA-08',AR-DA-08),
line 1) in expression python: data.set('AR
Yet this works:
span tal:define=standards python: request.SESSION
tal:block define=temp python: data.set('AR-DA-07',AR-DA-
07)/tal:block
/span
So you are saying the interpreter is seeing the '-' as a minus? Why
would it work in one case and not the other?
Could the minus be escaped somehow?
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Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
Hi Tino. Yes, that is correct. This application has variables named
like:
'AR-DA-08'
This also fails in a Page Template:
span tal:define=standards python: request.SESSION
tal:block define=temp python: data.set('AR-DA-08',AR-DA-
08)/tal:block
/span
With the error:
Compilation failed
TAL.TALDefs.TALError: Python expression error:
invalid token (Python expression data.set('AR-DA-08',AR-DA-08),
line 1) in expression python: data.set('AR
Yet this works:
span tal:define=standards python: request.SESSION
tal:block define=temp python: data.set('AR-DA-07',AR-DA-
07)/tal:block
/span
So you are saying the interpreter is seeing the '-' as a minus? Why
would it work in one case and not the other?
Two possibilities that I can think of:
1) you have a variable called AR-DA-08 and do not have a variable called
AR-DA-07
2) you have a variable called AR (and possibly another variable called DA),
which when evaluated as a mathematical expression (AR minus DA - 08)
provides a result, but when 07 is subtracted, an invalid result is obtained.
But, as others have noted, this does not appear to be what you are looking
to accomplish!
Jonathan
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Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A little bit of legacy DTML fun here... Zope 2.9.3
On save of a DTML Method, why would this dtml-call fail:
dtml-let standards=REQUEST.SESSION
dtml-call standards.set('AR-DA-08', AR-DA-08)
/dtml-let
With the error:
Expression (Python) Syntax error: invalid token
Whereas this works fine:
dtml-let standards=REQUEST.SESSION
dtml-call standards.set('AR-DA-07', AR-DA-07)
/dtml-let
Any insight is appreciated.
hpinson,
Maybe you can get away with something like _['AR-DA-07'] or maybe
_.getitem('AR_DA-07')?
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Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
Yep, changing to a underscore from a dash does the trick. Thanks to everyone who helped me understand this. -- Harlow Pinson Indepth Learning Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 505 994-2135 Fax: 505 994-3603 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
Changing the dash to an underscore in the variable name solved the problem. -- Harlow Pinson Indepth Learning Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 505 994-2135 Fax: 505 994-3603 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Hi Tino. Yes, that is correct. This application has variables named
like:
'AR-DA-08'
Not very clever.
This also fails in a Page Template:
span tal:define=standards python: request.SESSION
tal:block define=temp python: data.set('AR-DA-08',AR-DA-
08)/tal:block
you still have to quote if you mean the variable with that
weird name. Otherwise its an expression in python.
_['AR-DA-08'] could work in DTML... but lets better forget
that ;) Where does your variable live? In Request maybe?
/span
With the error:
Compilation failed
TAL.TALDefs.TALError: Python expression error:
invalid token (Python expression data.set('AR-DA-08',AR-DA-08),
line 1) in expression python: data.set('AR
TAL??
Yet this works:
span tal:define=standards python: request.SESSION
tal:block define=temp python: data.set('AR-DA-07',AR-DA-
07)/tal:block
/span
So you are saying the interpreter is seeing the '-' as a minus? Why
would it work in one case and not the other?
See Andrew's note on ocal numbers.
Could the minus be escaped somehow?
No, but see above.
Could you please escape the horribly code + template
mixing with DTML? ;) See the zope book for python scripts.
(After all in DTML expressions its already python code,
so why not write just python code and skip all that
foo stuff around it you dont need anyway?
Regards
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Re: [Zope] DTML Call Fails
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Changing the dash to an underscore in the variable name solved the problem. I'm quite sure you could solve it even better - if we would know where these variables come from and what their meaning is. I suspect some kind of form? Regards Tino Wildenhain ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-in sorting bug (collector #1884)
--On 1. September 2006 07:46:33 -0400 Allen Schmidt Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: r.__cmp__(x,y) requires y to be a 'r', not a 'ImplicitAcquirerWrapper' http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/1884 I see this is a pending case but does anyone have any idea if it will be fixed in future releases? Finally got a 2.8.8 instance running with our Data (from 2.7.5) and was able to run the catalog index fixer with help from Chris Withers (THANKS!!) and all was looking good. The pages that looked up news stories from the catalog are looking good. Then I went to a page that displayed Houses (from ZSQL methods) and does a sort on the results as is the case in MANY pages we have. The top line is the result on the error page. Seems its a well know bug but does not look like its an issue to most but it is to us. Bugs are fixed on a voluntary basis. The chance having it fixed for the next version is higher when you work on a patch and tests. I doubt that this issue has a high priority for most of the core developers. -aj pgp3g0Mpp2CEg.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML - ZPT
--On 31. August 2006 20:36:32 +0200 Antonio Beamud Montero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this the equivalence? dtml-var day fmt=%02i td tal:replace=python:'%02i'%item['day'] or exists other way? No. -aj pgpXRn0rh7dcJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML - ZPT
Antonio Beamud Montero wrote: Is this the equivalence? dtml-var day fmt=%02i td tal:replace=python:'%02i'%item['day'] or exists other way? Yes, you format your output in a (possibly locales dependant) intermediate layer between your application and your template. In the easiest implementation it is a python script which queries the original item list and outputs a formattet item list you use directly w/ path expressions only. This way you can centrally control and switch your formatting w/o touching the templates anymore. Regards Tino Wildenhain ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml forwarding request
if you want to go straight from one dtml routine to
another just use dtml-var (ie. have dtml
method A call dtml method B) - then in dtml method A have:
dtml-var methodB
This will 'pass' control and the REQUEST space from
A to B.
Is this is not what you are looking for, then
provide some more info as to your use case.
Jonathan
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Subject: [Zope] dtml forwarding
request
Hello,Is there a way in Zope to forward a request from one
page to another. When I say "forward" a request, I want to retain all
the GET and POST request parameters. So similar to dtml-call
expr="RESPONSE.redirect('...')" but response.redirect loses all the
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Re: [Zope] dtml forwarding request
The dtml_method where I want to forward to is on another server, so your may would be a little hard to do. Sorry, I didn't make myself clear the first time.Thanks, any suggestions?Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want to go straight from one dtml routine to another just use dtml-var (ie. have dtml method A call dtml method B) - then in dtml method A have: dtml-var methodB This will
'pass' control and the REQUEST space from A to B. Is this is not what you are looking for, then provide some more info as to your use case.Jonathan- Original Message -From:AlricAneronTo: zope@zope.orgSent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:22PM Subject: [Zope] dtml forwardingrequest Hello,Is there a way in Zope to forward a request from onepage to another. When I say "forward" a request, I want to retain allthe GET and POST request parameters. So similar to dtml-callexpr="RESPONSE.redirect('...')" but response.redirect loses all therequest parameters.I've been looking around and couldn't find it.Anyideas?Thanks in advance! Yahoo! Groups gets better. Checkout the new email design. Plus there�s much more to come. ___Zope maillist-Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope**No cross posts or HTML
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Re: [Zope] dtml forwarding request
You can do a redirect and construct the cgi space from REQUEST.
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Alric Aneron wrote:
The dtml_method where I want to forward to is on another server, so your may
would be a little hard to do. Sorry, I didn't make myself clear the first
time.
Thanks, any suggestions?
Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want to go straight from one
dtml routine to another just use dtml-var (ie. have dtml method A call
dtml method B) - then in dtml method A have:
dtml-var methodB
This will 'pass' control and the REQUEST space from A to B.
Is this is not what you are looking for, then provide some more info as to
your use case.
Jonathan
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Subject: [Zope] dtml forwardingrequest
Hello,
Is there a way in Zope to forward a request from onepage to another.
When I say forward a request, I want to retain allthe GET and POST
request parameters. So similar to dtml-call
expr=RESPONSE.redirect('...') but response.redirect loses all the
request parameters.
I've been looking around and couldn't find it.
Anyideas?
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Re: [Zope] dtml forwarding request
If you are using a zeo serverand both server
are zeo clients you could store the info on the zeo server, then do a redirect
from serverA/methodA to serverB/methodB.
If the servers do not have access to the same zeo
server, then you are going to have to 'package-up' all the variables you need
and send them to serverB/methodB
Depending on what is happening in serverB/methodB
you could just do some kind of rpc from serverA/methodA to serverB/methodB (ie.
methodA just sends a request to methodB, which does some processing and sends
the results back to methodA for final processing/display).
It's kind of hard to guess what would be best
without knowing more about the application(s).
Jonathan
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Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml forwarding
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The dtml_method where I want to forward to is on another
server, so your may would be a little hard to do. Sorry, I didn't make
myself clear the first time.Thanks, any
suggestions?Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if you want to go straight from one dtml
routine to another just use dtml-var (ie. have dtml method A call dtml method B) - then in dtml
method A have:
dtml-var methodB
This will 'pass' control and the REQUEST space
from A to B.
Is this is not what you are looking for, then
provide some more info as to your use case.
Jonathan
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Subject:
[Zope] dtml forwarding request
Hello,Is there a way in Zope to forward a request from
one page to another. When I say "forward" a request, I want to
retain all the GET and POST request parameters. So similar to
dtml-call expr="RESPONSE.redirect('...')" but response.redirect
loses all the request parameters.I've been looking around and couldn't
find it.Any ideas?Thanks in advance!
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Re: [Zope] dtml forwarding request
So there is no way to do it through python and DTML?I know Java has something like that.Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are using a zeo serverand both server are zeo clients you could store the info on the zeo server, then do a redirect from serverA/methodA to serverB/methodB. If the servers do not have access to the same zeo server, then you are going to have to 'package-up' all the variables you need and send them to serverB/methodB Depending on what
is happening in serverB/methodB you could just do some kind of rpc from serverA/methodA to serverB/methodB (ie. methodA just sends a request to methodB, which does some processing and sends the results back to methodA for final processing/display). It's kind of hard to guess what would be best without knowing more about the application(s).Jonathan - Original Message -From:AlricAneronTo: Jonathan ; zope@zope.orgSent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:31PM Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml forwardingrequest The dtml_method where I want to forward to is on anotherserver, so your may would be a little hard to do. Sorry, I didn't makemyself clear the first time.Thanks, anysuggestions?Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want to go straight from
one dtml routine to another just use dtml-var (ie. have dtml method A call dtml method B) - then in dtml method A have: dtml-var methodB This will 'pass' control and the REQUEST space from A to B. Is this is not what you are looking for, then provide some more info as to your use case.Jonathan-Original Message -From:AlricAneronTo:zope@zope.org Sent:Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:22 PM Subject:[Zope] dtml forwarding request Hello,Is there a way in Zope to forward a request fromone page to another. When I say "forward" a request, I want toretain all the GET and POST request parameters. So similar todtml-call expr="RESPONSE.redirect('...')" but response.redirectloses all the request parameters.I've been looking around and couldn't
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Re: [Zope] dtml forwarding request
Alric Aneron wrote: So there is no way to do it through python and DTML? I know Java has something like that. *lol* Well you should be sure you know what you do anyways. Forwarding requests means you trust the users browser to do the right thing. Maybe you can instead make a subrequest by means of urllib and friends. Construct url (e.g. GET-parameters) is easy: in a python script: from ZTUtils import make_query targeturl=http://other.server/script?+make_query(**context.REQUEST.form) (untested) should work. To construct form elements there is a similar function in ZTUtils, but I dont remember the name w/o looking at the source. Regards Tino Wildenhain ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml forwarding request
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 11:39:19PM +0200, Tino Wildenhain wrote: Alric Aneron wrote: So there is no way to do it through python and DTML? I know Java has something like that. ZEO is the canonical way to distribute zope stuff. Well you should be sure you know what you do anyways. Forwarding requests means you trust the users browser to do the right thing. Maybe you can instead make a subrequest by means of urllib and friends. If you do that, you're getting into the world of RPC and service-oriented development. There are a zillion ways to do that in zope... urllib/urllib2 as suggested, or you can use the callRemote() features of a sufficiently recent ZSyncer (see the README), or use zope's built-in XMLRPC server and on the client side use python's xmlrpclib. The latter two options are nice because they give you native python objects on both ends of the wire. Pretty much all of these will require you to write some trusted code, i.e. on the filesystem (in a Product or External Method). -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML-In with date/time filter
Dieter Maurer wrote: Martin Koekenberg wrote at 2006-5-3 14:47 +0200: I use this code in a Python script and call this script within a DTML-IN statement. What I need is a script to get only items with a date in the future, today or in the past. The objects are DTML Documents with a date property field. Assuming, your property contains a date, you can uses something like (to get things with dates in the future): now = container.ZopeTime() # see the DateTime documentation for other times return [obj for obj in context.objectValues() if obj.getProperty(...) now I'm fairly sure he'll want to change that if statement to: if not obj.getProperty(...).latestTime().isPast() cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML-In with date/time filter
--On 3. Mai 2006 12:17:36 +0200 Martin Koekenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo,
I can create a dtml-in filte with the following code:
return [doc for doc in context.objectValues('DTML Document') if
doc.getProperty('a')!='de']
Using return in DTML does not make sense. Writing such code in DTML
is bad-style. Use Pythonscript for this code and call the script from
DTML (btw. better user ZPT).
How can I do the same with a date or time ?
What does that mean?
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Re: [Zope] DTML-In with date/time filter
HelloAndreas, I use this code in a Python script and call
this script within a DTML-IN statement. What I need is a script to get only
items with a date in the future, today or in the past. The objects are
DTML Documents with a date property field.
Regards Martin Koekenberg
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3. Mai 2006 12:17:36 +0200 Martin Koekenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo, I can create a dtml-in filte with the following
code: return [doc for doc in context.objectValues('DTML
Document') if doc.getProperty('a')!='de']Using
"return" in DTML does not make sense. Writing such code in DTMLis
bad-style. Use Pythonscript for this code and call the script fromDTML
(btw. better user ZPT). How can I do the same with a
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Re: [Zope] DTML-In with date/time filter
You are going to have to loop thru the documents and use 'getProperty' to
access the date property field on the document. Then you will need to
compare the date value (the Zope Book V2.6 has a good description of
dates/time usage) to see if it is in the range you need. You could use a
python script to do this loop/compare and return a list of document ids
which you could then display via your DTML-in stmt.
If you have a lot of documents this could be a very expensive approach. You
might want to have a look at ZCatalog.
hth
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Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] DTML-In with date/time filter
Hello Andreas,
I use this code in a Python script and call this script within a DTML-IN
statement. What I need is a script to get only items with a date in the
future, today or in the past. The objects are DTML Documents with a date
property field.
Regards
Martin Koekenberg
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From: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Martin Koekenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED], zope@zope.org
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:20:33 +0200
Subject: Re: [Zope] DTML-In with date/time filter
--On 3. Mai 2006 12:17:36 +0200 Martin Koekenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo,
I can create a dtml-in filte with the following code:
return [doc for doc in context.objectValues('DTML Document') if
doc.getProperty('a')!='de']
Using return in DTML does not make sense. Writing such code in DTML
is bad-style. Use Pythonscript for this code and call the script from
DTML (btw. better user ZPT).
How can I do the same with a date or time ?
What does that mean?
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Re: [Zope] DTML-In with date/time filter
Martin Koekenberg wrote at 2006-5-3 14:47 +0200: I use this code in a Python script and call this script within a DTML-IN statement. What I need is a script to get only items with a date in the future, today or in the past. The objects are DTML Documents with a date property field. Assuming, your property contains a date, you can uses something like (to get things with dates in the future): now = container.ZopeTime() # see the DateTime documentation for other times return [obj for obj in context.objectValues() if obj.getProperty(...) now ] -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml methods and namespace
Luca Dall'Olio wrote: I have a simple dtml-method assignment-action that is called upon a form post. Why are you torturing yourself with DTML? I'd urge you to try Python Scripts and Page Templates instead! cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml methods and namespace
Luca Dall'Olio wrote: Hi to everybody, I have a simple dtml-method assignment-action that is called upon a form post. Depending on the form request data, a dtml-if chooses between one of two dtml-documents : assigment-success and assignment-failure : dtml-if iscorrect() dtml-var assignment-success dtml-else dtml-var assignment-failure /dtml-if My trouble is that neither the assignment-success nor the assignment-failure dtml-documents seem to be pushed on the namespace : inside them title_or_id references data from their caller, this() and PARENTS do not evaluate right... is there a smarter way to call a dtml-document inside a dtml-method (), so that it it pushed on the namespace stack? Should I use somehow the dtml-with tag? I understand that page templates would be way easier and cleaner, but I would like to complete this project and then try them out in the next one... thank you in advance, Luca Luca, Not sure exactly whats going on there ... but there are significant differences between dtml methods and dtml documents and how they view identity. David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml methods and namespace
Luca Dall'Olio wrote at 2006-3-9 11:47 +0100: I have a simple dtml-method assignment-action that is called upon a form post. Depending on the form request data, a dtml-if chooses between one of two dtml-documents : assigment-success and assignment-failure : dtml-if iscorrect() dtml-var assignment-success dtml-else dtml-var assignment-failure /dtml-if My trouble is that neither the assignment-success nor the assignment-failure dtml-documents seem to be pushed on the namespace : inside them title_or_id references data from their caller That is strange. In fact, a DTMLDocument (unlike a DTMLMethod!) extends the passed in client by self.aq_explicit. Note, that due to the use of aq_explicit, acquisition through your DTMLDocument is restricted. this() and PARENTS do not evaluate right... PARENTS is set after the traversal phase. Lateron, it is not changed -- e.g. not changed by calls of DMTL objects. is there a smarter way to call a dtml-document inside a dtml-method (), so that it it pushed on the namespace stack? It should be pushed automatically (as long as it is really a DTMLDocument. Of course, you can control the context yourself, e.g. by dtml-var doc(doc,_) In this case, you pass doc (assumed to be your DTML document) explicitly as client. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML-In with filter
Martin Koekenberg schrieb:
Hello,
Is it possible to use a DTML-In to display all DTML Documents in a
folder exept the one's with a centain value in a property ?
Example.
DTML Document one with property a=bc
DTML Document two with property a=de
DTML Document three with property a=bc
Now I want to use DTML-IN to display all the dtml documents except the
ones with property a=de.
I also use the size and batchsize property to create links to the next
10 documents. If I use an if statement the next 10 can be 9 ore
less 9 items because there could be one ore more documents with a=de.
Just drop this DTML... or at least get help from python:
return [doc for doc in context.objectValues('DTML Document') if
doc.getProperty('a')!='de']
(python script or the like would be your friend - also
it makes it possible to replace the quite costy objectValues()
call with ZCatalog query w/o changing your presentation code)
Regards
Tino
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Re: [Zope] DTML-In with filter
+---[ Martin Koekenberg ]-- | Hello, | | Is it possible to use a DTML-In to display all DTML Documents in a folder exept | the one's with a centain value in a property ? | | Example. | | DTML Document one with property a=bc | DTML Document two with property a=de | DTML Document three with property a=bc | | Now I want to use DTML-IN to display all the dtml documents except the ones | with property a=de. | I also use the size and batchsize property to create links to the next 10 | documents. If I use an if statement the next 10 can be 9 ore less 9 items | because there could be one ore more documents with a=de. | | Who can help me ? Pseudo-code (dtml-like) dtml-in someListOfThings dtml-with thecurrentitem dtml-unless a=='de' dtml-var thecurrentitem /dtml-unless /dtml-with /dtml-in Or you could write a python script that filtered out the ones you wanted and call the python script to return the list of things to display, which is probably a much better idea. -- Andrew Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml result in href
+---[ Olivier Wambacq ]-- | another question. | | when I create a link with a filename and url from a database. | I do it like this: | | a href=span tal:conent=result/urlurl goes here/span | span tal:conent=result/filenamefilename goes here/span | /a This is DTML or a ZPT ? for a ZPT its; a tal:attributes=href result/url tal:content=result/filenamefile/a for DTML it would be; a href=dtml-var result.url etc -- Andrew Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-tree (urlparam)
Dear list, many thanks for the link to a little bit more documentation of dtml-tree. Unfortunately the parameter of interest (urlparam - Since Zope 2.2??) is not mentioned there. Meanwhile I found in the Zope-Bible (Chapter 4, Page 115): The use of this attribute [urlparam] is somewhat limited because Zope simply passes along whatever string you specify as the value for the urlparam attribute. Expressions, and therefore the dynamic insertion of variables, are not possible with this attribute under the current version of Zope. ;-( The first question is clear now, but the second one becomes more and more important: Does anybody have an idea to work around the problem? Again, many, many thanks in advance, Ulla. Jonathan wrote: Have you looked at this: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/DTML-HTML/DTML.15.html Jonathan - Original Message - From: Ulla Theiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zope Mailing List zope@zope.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: [Zope] dtml-tree (urlparam) Dear list, I have a problem using dtml-tree. The page which contains a dtml-tree should show a dynamic parameter, passed with to url calling the dtml-tree-page. page_with_dtml_tree?myparam=yup Before expanding or collapsing the tree, everything works fine. But if I expand or collapse it, this parameter is forgotten. I found the dtml-tree-parameter urlparam, which is included in the expanding and collapsing widget links. dtml-tree urlparam=myparam=abc This works fine with hard coded strings. * But my string is dynamic! * How can I pass it? dtml-tree urlparam=myparam=dtml-var myparam produced syntax-errors. Has somebody an idea, how to pass it - or how to work around the problem? Many thanks in advance, Ulla. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-tree (urlparam)
Have you looked at this: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/DTML-HTML/DTML.15.html Jonathan - Original Message - From: Ulla Theiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zope Mailing List zope@zope.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: [Zope] dtml-tree (urlparam) Dear list, I have a problem using dtml-tree. The page which contains a dtml-tree should show a dynamic parameter, passed with to url calling the dtml-tree-page. page_with_dtml_tree?myparam=yup Before expanding or collapsing the tree, everything works fine. But if I expand or collapse it, this parameter is forgotten. I found the dtml-tree-parameter urlparam, which is included in the expanding and collapsing widget links. dtml-tree urlparam=myparam=abc This works fine with hard coded strings. * But my string is dynamic! * How can I pass it? dtml-tree urlparam=myparam=dtml-var myparam produced syntax-errors. Has somebody an idea, how to pass it - or how to work around the problem? Many thanks in advance, Ulla. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] dtml-sqlvar problem with large strings?
Hello All, I tried using zope 2.7.6 with kinterbasdbda 2.0 and I got the same error I think, but more informative :) ProgrammingError: (0, 'SQL statement of 2270651 bytes is too long (max 65535 allowed). Consider using parameters to shorten the SQL code, rather than passing large values as part of the SQL string.') So I guess it is the DA that disallows the long statement. So I will Consider using parameters... as it says. Otherwise I can look at switching to mxODBC. I wonder if that would disallow such long statements as well? Thanks for the help. Josh Traceback (innermost last): Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 101, in publish Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 39, in call_object Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 306, in __call__ Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 343, in _bindAndExec Module Products.PythonScripts.PythonScript, line 323, in _exec Module None, line 16, in upload_process PythonScript at /external/dr3/test/quotes/upload_process Line 16 Module Shared.DC.ZRDB.DA, line 454, in __call__ SQL instance at 04168BC0 Module Products.kInterbaseDA.db, line 226, in query Module Products.kInterbaseDA.db, line 255, in _executeSQLAndReturnResultRows Module kinterbasdb, line 1592, in execute ProgrammingError: (0, 'SQL statement of 2270651 bytes is too long (max 65535 allowed). Consider using parameters to shorten the SQL code, rather than passing large values as part of the SQL string.') -Original Message- From: Andreas Jung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 4:36 PM To: Joshua Burvill; zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-sqlvar problem with large strings? --On 21. November 2005 16:30:10 +1100 Joshua Burvill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using zope 2.6.4 on win32 with kinterbasdbda (not sure what version), firebird 1.0 This sounds like a bug in the kinterbasedbda. Since this is DA is not used widely I would recommend to buzz the author of the DA directly. When you are on Windows you could consider switching to mxODBC in case your database supports ODBC. -aj ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] dtml-sqlvar problem with large strings?
--On 22. November 2005 08:42:32 +1100 Joshua Burvill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: statement. So I will Consider using parameters... as it says. Otherwise I can look at switching to mxODBC. I wonder if that would disallow such long statements as well? You could try it and report back :-) -aj pgpUd3NMRyRK0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-sqlvar problem with large strings?
--On 21. November 2005 16:30:10 +1100 Joshua Burvill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using zope 2.6.4 on win32 with kinterbasdbda (not sure what version), firebird 1.0 This sounds like a bug in the kinterbasedbda. Since this is DA is not used widely I would recommend to buzz the author of the DA directly. When you are on Windows you could consider switching to mxODBC in case your database supports ODBC. -aj pgpJvaUW6bW2A.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML-tree Custom sort
Thanks for your help AJ
I get this:
Error Type: SyntaxError
Error Value: invalid syntax (line 1)
dtml-tree branches_expr=[o for o in
objectValues(['Folder'] if hasattr('orderInt'))]
sort=orderInt skip_unauthorized
It doesn't like how I put spaces in objectValues()
attributes for if hasattr...
Is the syntax a bit different?
Thanks!
--- Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--On 2. Oktober 2005 09:43:02 -0700 Alex Renier
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
dtml-tree
branches_expr=objectValues(['Folder'])
sort=orderInt skip_unauthorized
perhaps
dtml-tree branches_expr=[o for o in
objectValues(['Folder'] if
hasattr('orderInt')])
sort=orderInt skip_unauthorized
-aj
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Re: [Zope] dtml-if
Am Montag, den 29.08.2005, 14:08 +1000 schrieb michael: Thanks thats it! Why is it like that? ... On 8/28/05, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What am I doing wrong here? dtml-var last -- this prints out the variable sent from last (referring) page fine dtml-var id -- this prints out the id of the current item fine dtml-if id == last this one! /dtml-if i want this to output this one! when the current item is the one requested by the last page but they are never seen as == even when the two dtml-var are the same they are never equal! You will see this in the list archives several times in the past. Depending on the object, id is a method and not an simple attribute. To be on the save side (instead of figuring out what it is actually) always use: getId() Btw. dtml-var id does not use the id the same way like dtml-if id==last. Try dtml-var id and you will see the method signature (view document source in the browser) I'd recommend doing that all in a python script and then use the prepared data in your DTML - oder later ZPT. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-if
I have never been able to do that either and always wondered how to do it. However I have a workaround that I use frequently. I just use the title instead, which works perfectly. dtml-if title == 'My Page' This one!/dtml-if Greg On 8/28/05, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What am I doing wrong here? dtml-var last -- this prints out the variable sent from last (referring) page fine dtml-var id -- this prints out the id of the current item fine dtml-if id == last this one! /dtml-if i want this to output this one! when the current item is the one requested by the last page but they are never seen as == even when the two dtml-var are the same they are never equal! thanks, mike ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-if
Thanks for your reply, that is half way there, I want to compare two variables though. where as 'my page' is constant, and hard coded in. someone's gotta know :-) mike Greg Fischer wrote: I have never been able to do that either and always wondered how to do it. However I have a workaround that I use frequently. I just use the title instead, which works perfectly. dtml-if title == 'My Page' This one!/dtml-if Greg On 8/28/05, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What am I doing wrong here? dtml-var last -- this prints out the variable sent from last (referring) page fine dtml-var id -- this prints out the id of the current item fine dtml-if id == last this one! /dtml-if i want this to output this one! when the current item is the one requested by the last page but they are never seen as == even when the two dtml-var are the same they are never equal! thanks, mike ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-if
Try calling id then comparing it. dtml-if id()==last this one! /dtml-if -- David On Aug 28, 2005, at 7:19 PM, michael wrote: Thanks for your reply, that is half way there, I want to compare two variables though. where as 'my page' is constant, and hard coded in. someone's gotta know :-) mike Greg Fischer wrote: I have never been able to do that either and always wondered how to do it. However I have a workaround that I use frequently. I just use the title instead, which works perfectly. dtml-if title == 'My Page' This one!/dtml-if Greg On 8/28/05, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What am I doing wrong here? dtml-var last -- this prints out the variable sent from last (referring) page fine dtml-var id -- this prints out the id of the current item fine dtml-if id == last this one! /dtml-if i want this to output this one! when the current item is the one requested by the last page but they are never seen as == even when the two dtml-var are the same they are never equal! thanks, mike ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-if
Thanks thats it! Why is it like that? m David Siedband wrote: Try calling id then comparing it. dtml-if id()==last this one! /dtml-if -- David On Aug 28, 2005, at 7:19 PM, michael wrote: Thanks for your reply, that is half way there, I want to compare two variables though. where as 'my page' is constant, and hard coded in. someone's gotta know :-) mike Greg Fischer wrote: I have never been able to do that either and always wondered how to do it. However I have a workaround that I use frequently. I just use the title instead, which works perfectly. dtml-if title == 'My Page' This one!/dtml-if Greg On 8/28/05, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What am I doing wrong here? dtml-var last -- this prints out the variable sent from last (referring) page fine dtml-var id -- this prints out the id of the current item fine dtml-if id == last this one! /dtml-if i want this to output this one! when the current item is the one requested by the last page but they are never seen as == even when the two dtml-var are the same they are never equal! thanks, mike ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-var variable from REQUEST not shown in input tag if it has spaces??
Am Donnerstag, den 04.08.2005, 11:33 +0100 schrieb Thomas Apostolou: Hello everybody, Im using Zope 2.7.0 on Windows XP Pro. I pass some parameters from a form to a DTML method. Inside that method i try to get the parameters with dtml-var sSQL ( sSQL is the name of the submiting form's field). When i just use it as dtml-var sSQL everything is ok. When i use it like : input type=text value=dtml-var sSQL, i get everything until the first space. For example from select * from mytable i get select. Is it something wrong with what i am doing? Yes, you should write HTML when you want HTML ;) This means, attribute values in HTML are supposed to be in (See the HTML source in your Browser when you display the page and you will know what I mean :) So, if you really want DTML here, use: input type=text value=dtml-var sSQL / or input type=text value=dtml-sSQL; / which is a bit nicer because you dont write a tag inside a tag. OR use ZPT: input type=text tal:attributes=value request/sSQL / ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Θέμα: Re: [Zope] dtml-var variable fro m REQUEST not shown in input tag if it has spaces??
--- Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] έγραψε: Yes, you should write HTML when you want HTML ;) This means, attribute values in HTML are supposed to be in (See the HTML source in your Browser when you display the page and you will know what I mean :) So, if you really want DTML here, use: input type=text value=dtml-var sSQL / or input type=text value=dtml-sSQL; / which is a bit nicer because you dont write a tag inside a tag. OR use ZPT: input type=text tal:attributes=value request/sSQL / was that a realy stupid question or what? 8- Thanks anyway, Thomas Apostolou ___ Χρησιμοποιείτε Yahoo!; Βαρεθήκατε τα ενοχλητικά μηνύματα (spam); Το Yahoo! Mail διαθέτει την καλύτερη δυνατή προστασία κατά των ενοχλητικών μηνυμάτων http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=gr ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML parsing outside of Zope
- Original Message -
From: Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: zope@zope.org
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:59 AM
Subject: [Zope] DTML parsing outside of Zope
I would like to be able to parse a very basic DTML string (a
ZSQLMethod on the file system actually) outside Zope, ie. without
having the whole zserver running.
The DTML inside the string is very basic. It doesn't use REQUEST or
aqcuisition. It's using dtml-if 1==2 and stuff.
I've tried looking on the source code but it's so damn complicated for
me. Can anybody give me a headstart on this?
If you are trying to access the zodb without having zope running, here are a
couple of ways to make it happen:
# method #1
import os, sys, traceback
sys.path.append(/apps/zope/lib/python)
import Zope
app=Zope.app()
from Testing import makerequest
app = makerequest.makerequest(app)
# method #2
import os, sys
sys.path.append(/apps/zope/lib/python)
import Zope
import time
app=Zope.app()
Once you have 'app' you can do things like:
REQUEST = app.REQUEST
newobj =
app.Wet.Content.Data.manage_addProduct['myProd'].manage_addmyItem(...)
app.unrestrictedTraverse('Control_Panel/Database/ShopwiserData').manage_pack()
hth
Jonathan
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Re: [Zope] DTML parsing outside of Zope
import Zope
app=Zope.app()
No. I've actually found a way to do it without starting zope (thus,
not using the ZODB).
The trick was in import nvSQL from DA.py and use that. It works now, I
can now parse and run ZSQL methods on the filesystem without having
any zope running.
I'm going to tidy my script and post it on my blog soon.
On 7/28/05, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: zope@zope.org
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:59 AM
Subject: [Zope] DTML parsing outside of Zope
I would like to be able to parse a very basic DTML string (a
ZSQLMethod on the file system actually) outside Zope, ie. without
having the whole zserver running.
The DTML inside the string is very basic. It doesn't use REQUEST or
aqcuisition. It's using dtml-if 1==2 and stuff.
I've tried looking on the source code but it's so damn complicated for
me. Can anybody give me a headstart on this?
If you are trying to access the zodb without having zope running, here are a
couple of ways to make it happen:
# method #1
import os, sys, traceback
sys.path.append(/apps/zope/lib/python)
import Zope
app=Zope.app()
from Testing import makerequest
app = makerequest.makerequest(app)
# method #2
import os, sys
sys.path.append(/apps/zope/lib/python)
import Zope
import time
app=Zope.app()
Once you have 'app' you can do things like:
REQUEST = app.REQUEST
newobj =
app.Wet.Content.Data.manage_addProduct['myProd'].manage_addmyItem(...)
app.unrestrictedTraverse('Control_Panel/Database/ShopwiserData').manage_pack()
hth
Jonathan
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Re: [Zope] dtml to pdf
Allen Huang wrote: How do I change my webpage into pdf using dtml or python script? Reportlab is your friend. Google might help you find it ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml to pdf
For simple conversion, you may find htmldoc to be a good choice. Reportlab is a great tool but takes considerable effort; htmldoc gives a good enough solution in many cases. On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Chris Withers wrote: Allen Huang wrote: How do I change my webpage into pdf using dtml or python script? Reportlab is your friend. Google might help you find it ;-) Chris -- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML bug with database arrays in sqltest
This workaround is an excellent solution! I am doing: dtml-if an_arg> and a_table.an_array_fieldt[dtml-sqlvar an_array_key type=int>][2] = dtml-sqlvar a_title type=string> /dtml-if> and just insert above any optional statements. Many thanks Dieter Regards, David On Sunday, July 10, 2005, at 06:59 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: David Pratt wrote at 2005-7-8 14:08 -0300: ... dtml-and> dtml-sqltest column=a_table.an_array_field[dtml-sqlvar an_array_key type=int>][2] name=a_title_var op=eq type=string optional> . (rest of query) The issue is how to test against these values when DTML cannot parse them? You can emulate the dtml-sqltest with dtml-if and dtml-sqlvar (or dtml-var). -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML bug with database arrays in sqltest
David Pratt wrote at 2005-7-8 14:08 -0300: ... dtml-and dtml-sqltest column=a_table.an_array_field[dtml-sqlvar an_array_key type=int][2] name=a_title_var op=eq type=string optional . (rest of query) The issue is how to test against these values when DTML cannot parse them? You can emulate the dtml-sqltest with dtml-if and dtml-sqlvar (or dtml-var). -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml sessions
Am Sonntag, den 19.06.2005, 06:08 +0200 schrieb Andy Kim: No, I am not using the user system here. It is just a simple use. All I want is to put a session-conditional call for a dtml method within a simple page with this method. if not REQUEST.SESSION.get(marker,): yourcall() REQUEST.SESSION.set(marker,call done) transfer this to DTML or use a python script for coding (since its easier) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml sessions
--On 18. Juni 2005 18:16:48 +0200 Andy Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm a beginner. I'd like allow a dtml method call e.g. dtml-call method for one session only. how do I do this with dtml? could anyone help me? What do you mean by that? Should it callable only once? If yes then of course use a flag which you can store inside the user session. -aj pgpCBAH46cC7a.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml sessions
Am Samstag, den 18.06.2005, 18:16 +0200 schrieb Andy Kim: Hi, I'm a beginner. I'd like allow a dtml method call e.g. dtml-call method for one session only. how do I do this with dtml? could anyone help me? How often are you going to ask this? :) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml sessions
No, not just only once but rather for one browser session. If the page is reloaded again the method shouldnt be called. Only if the user comes for a next visit, the method should be called again. It actually should be easy, I'm just not familiar with dtml programming yet. However I'd like to have it with dtml since I have the dtml-call method already using.. On 6/18/05, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 18. Juni 2005 18:16:48 +0200 Andy Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm a beginner. I'd like allow a dtml method call e.g. dtml-call method for one session only. how do I do this with dtml? could anyone help me? What do you mean by that? Should it callable only once? If yes then of course use a flag which you can store inside the user session. -aj ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml sessions
No, I am not using the user system here. It is just a simple use. All I want is to put a session-conditional call for a dtml method within a simple page with this method. - Original Message - From: Dennis Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andy Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED]; zope@zope.org Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml sessions Ah ha! you have as method that is supposed to be private to a particular user. You should set the view permission for the method to be Authorized User and have the method test for the particular user and do nothing if the current user is not the right one. A more general mechanism would be to create a local role for privileged users and set the view permission for the dtml-method to be that role. The you can give any user that role in acl_users and they will automagically have access rights to that method. Good web design suggests that the navigation to this special method be controlled by the role as well so there's no button to push if the user is not allowed to push the button. On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Andy Kim wrote: No, not just only once but rather for one browser session. If the page is reloaded again the method shouldnt be called. Only if the user comes for a next visit, the method should be called again. It actually should be easy, I'm just not familiar with dtml programming yet. However I'd like to have it with dtml since I have the dtml-call method already using.. On 6/18/05, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On 18. Juni 2005 18:16:48 +0200 Andy Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm a beginner. I'd like allow a dtml method call e.g. dtml-call method for one session only. how do I do this with dtml? could anyone help me? What do you mean by that? Should it callable only once? If yes then of course use a flag which you can store inside the user session. -aj ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Dennis Allison * Computer Systems Laboratory * Gates 227 * Stanford University * Stanford CA 94305 * (650) 723-9213 * (650) 723-0033 fax * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
On 5/27/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/27/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life... And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something about you. Use ZClasses, Plone, AT and XUF at the same time while you're at it. Why not dig out LoginManager and ZPatterns too, just for good measure? Hell, why not just do us all a favour and switch to using Perl where you'll be s much happier, and everyone in the community will agree with you rather than trying to help you not shoot yourself in the foot ;-) Is it me or are you really pissed??? :-) At least give DTML some credit... It's what made Zope so popular in the first days because of easy and fast learning curve!!! Regards Hugo Yup, I completely agree with Hugo, dtml what made zope, zope. Chris probably has a point as an advanced user but zope still needs a lot of joe-beginners and their needs to be considered too. ismet -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Am Montag, den 30.05.2005, 13:05 +0800 schrieb Ismet Dere: I also like DTML a lot, found it way too easy to understand and simple to use. I wonder how DTML is more easy then an equally simple python expression in a script? Lazy people should love ZPT since it saves a lot of typing compared to DTML - otoh, a general rule seems to be: beginners tend to write overly comlicated code. it was that simplicity of DTML that made me choose and use Zope over PHP in the first place. if dtml is to be phased out, Zope will be less attractive for new users then soon will be irrelevant no matter how sophisticated and advanced it may become. No, it will not phased out. Neither in zope2 nor in zope3. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Ismet Dere escribió: On 5/27/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/27/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life... And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something about you. Use ZClasses, Plone, AT and XUF at the same time while you're at it. Why not dig out LoginManager and ZPatterns too, just for good measure? Hell, why not just do us all a favour and switch to using Perl where you'll be s much happier, and everyone in the community will agree with you rather than trying to help you not shoot yourself in the foot ;-) Is it me or are you really pissed??? :-) At least give DTML some credit... It's what made Zope so popular in the first days because of easy and fast learning curve!!! Regards Hugo Yup, I completely agree with Hugo, dtml what made zope, zope. Chris probably has a point as an advanced user but zope still needs a lot of joe-beginners and their needs to be considered too. ismet -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) Sorry but, in my opinion, acquisition make zope, zope, products make zope zope, python make zope, zope but DTML, in my opinion, remember, is only a product See ya -- Mis Cosas http://blogs.sistes.net/Garito/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
I also like DTML a lot, found it way too easy to understand and simple to use. it was that simplicity of DTML that made me choose and use Zope over PHP in the first place. if dtml is to be phased out, Zope will be less attractive for new users then soon will be irrelevant no matter how sophisticated and advanced it may become. ismet On 5/27/05, Greg Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do templating. I can see the need for it in a large development shop,but for me, a 1 guy operation, I have no desire to complicate things. DTML works so easy for me. I do use Python scripts here and there for small and odd things that would be difficult or impossible to do in DTML, but like I said, that's maybe only 10% max of the functionality that I need to provide. (probably 5-6%) Having to move everything in Python is a hassle that I dont plan on doing for a few years. I'll just keep using Zope 2. I'd also be curious to know from all you other developers, what percentage of tasks that you need to perform or functionality you need to provide can be provided simply with DTML? Like for me, I can do quickly and easily do 90% of what I need in DTML. Is DTML really that much harder to use? I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not as good? But, for me, that separation is more complicated. DTML is easier for me. (partly because I know it) I dont know, DTML and the everythings an object concept in Zope are the very things that make Zope so attractive for a small time operator like me. I hate to see them deprecated just because it doesnt work for the larger companies out there. Of course, I may be totally ignorant about all this, huh? Anyway, starting to ramble... Thanks for any thoughts. Greg On 5/26/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yellow, I have the same feeling... Python should be the primary language used in Zope but let's not just cut the support on DTML leaving thousands out there spinning around and having to go into Python as fast as they can because DTML is not supported anymore. Changes take time... Getting used to Python only in Zope takes time... and I'm not so sure the employers out there are that kind allowing everybody to take time making the move. Regards Hugo On 5/26/05, David H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo Ramos wrote: Yellow, I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done... I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of Python where needed suits me fine! :-) Regards Hugo Hugo, I figured as a dtml wiz a few years ago. Now I can't image doing w/out python scripts and suddenly DTML gives me a headache. I do think that DTML deserves a Hall of Fame Award but its time to move on. David -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
--On 30. Mai 2005 13:05:31 +0800 Ismet Dere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if dtml is to be phased out, Zope will be less attractive for new users then soon will be irrelevant no matter how sophisticated and advanced it may become. There are no plans to phase DTML out - neither in Zope 2 nor in Zope 3 as far as I know. If you want or need to use DTML - just use it. In general people are strongly encouraged to use ZPT for any kind of templates and use DTML only there where necessary e.g. when you want to create non-HTML/XML documents inside Zope..but in general ZPT is the preferred way to go. -aj pgpwA3TO88B4S.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Andrew Milton wrote: +---[ Jonathan Cyr ]-- | Damn users, using all this imperfect software. These Kids Today! ;-) | | Easy Big Fella, Whooa. | You must be new here We've all learnt to ignore Chris... He gets easily confused... or maybe he doesn't take his medication... not sure, but, ignoring him generally works for the best d8) Actually as a member of scorched by Chris club I find his acid wit funny. Plus he has contributed alot to the community and has answered endless questions. David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Am Freitag, den 27.05.2005, 00:20 +0200 schrieb Jaroslav Lukesh: ... I absolutelly agree with you, it is like my words. But separation of logic and presentation could be done successfully in DTML too. ZPT, which have separation argument is not as easy to make totally This is even somewhat correct. If people had the discipline to not abuse the templating to do complicated logic. The major drawbacks of DTML are: - one namespace (with transparent layers) - confusing naming of tags, like dtml-var which really is dtml-print or something - and the extra tags for flow control, but probably the dtml fans can live with it. - peoples practice to use dtml-var foo even inside html-tags attributes, where dtml-foo; should be used. separated design as marketing says, for example see Plone - try to customize plone site to absolutelly different custom design - it is near impossible. Unfortunately Plone is still a bad example for ZPT. It is getting better but still it has a lot of code and definition in the templates. Maybe AT would be a way out. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Wow, thanks for the replies guys. It's good to hear I am not the only one who likes DTML. Tino, thanks for the explanations. I have some thoughts below on that, and keep in mind, I am questioning from my own ignorance. Tino Wrote: The major drawbacks of DTML are: - one namespace (with transparent layers) One namespace? Why do you need more? I havent had any problems with one. Can you give some examples of why this is important or how it would be useful? - confusing naming of tags, like dtml-var which really is dtml-print or something Well I realize that it could be named something else, but it never occured to me. I dont think it's confusing. I mean, in DTML you use 4 tags more than any other, IN, VAR, IF, and CALL. Simple. And if there is one thing I have learned over the few years I have been programming, it is to keep it simple. Simple works. - and the extra tags for flow control, but probably the dtml fans can live with it. Yeah, simple. We can live with it, particularly since we can call more detailed functionality from Python. - peoples practice to use dtml-var foo even inside html-tags attributes, where dtml-foo; should be used. Hmm.. Never thought of that one as I too just use the full dtml-var foo. I can see now that it might make readability a little better to use dtml, but is there a technical reason for using it that way? Thank you again for your input Tino. I can understand the need to take Zope to another level, its the nature of things to keep them growing. And changing Zope to fit the needs of large scale applications is good, I just hate to see the sacrifice of the smaller apps needs. I probably will never get to work on enterprise class systems, in fact I really dont want to, but Zope works beautifully for the small web apps and that's what I want to work on. I wonder what the ratio is of Zope users who use small apps to those who do large apps? Thanks again! Greg On 5/26/05, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag, den 27.05.2005, 00:20 +0200 schrieb Jaroslav Lukesh: ... I absolutelly agree with you, it is like my words. But separation of logic and presentation could be done successfully in DTML too. ZPT, which have separation argument is not as easy to make totally This is even somewhat correct. If people had the discipline to not abuse the templating to do complicated logic. The major drawbacks of DTML are: - one namespace (with transparent layers) - confusing naming of tags, like dtml-var which really is dtml-print or something - and the extra tags for flow control, but probably the dtml fans can live with it. - peoples practice to use dtml-var foo even inside html-tags attributes, where dtml-foo; should be used. separated design as marketing says, for example see Plone - try to customize plone site to absolutelly different custom design - it is near impossible. Unfortunately Plone is still a bad example for ZPT. It is getting better but still it has a lot of code and definition in the templates. Maybe AT would be a way out. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Tino Wildenhain wrote: Unfortunately Plone is still a bad example for ZPT. It is getting better but still it has a lot of code and definition in the templates. Maybe AT would be a way out. AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life... And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something about you. Use ZClasses, Plone, AT and XUF at the same time while you're at it. Why not dig out LoginManager and ZPatterns too, just for good measure? Hell, why not just do us all a favour and switch to using Perl where you'll be s much happier, and everyone in the community will agree with you rather than trying to help you not shoot yourself in the foot ;-) cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
On 5/27/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AT? As in ArcheTypes? You ARE kidding right? I've never seen such bad code, and in particular, abuse of ZPT in my entire life... And DTML sux, you wanna use it, fine, that says something about you. Use ZClasses, Plone, AT and XUF at the same time while you're at it. Why not dig out LoginManager and ZPatterns too, just for good measure? Hell, why not just do us all a favour and switch to using Perl where you'll be s much happier, and everyone in the community will agree with you rather than trying to help you not shoot yourself in the foot ;-) Is it me or are you really pissed??? :-) At least give DTML some credit... It's what made Zope so popular in the first days because of easy and fast learning curve!!! Regards Hugo -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
On 5/26/05, Greg Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is DTML really that much harder to use? Nah, but it's uglier. Also, the idea is that a web editor that confirms to the tsandard of ignoring things it doens't understand, should in theory be usable with TAL, but not with DTML. In practice, however, HTML editors don't do that. I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not as good? Well, it used to be. But logic crept into ZPTs as well. The good thing is to set up all the data in a python script or python method, and then use the template only to display this data. Zope3 has this separation built-in, when you create a page with a template it automatically gets connected to a view which is a python class, and you can specify your own custom view and set up the data there. In Zope 2 you have to call a script that creates the data, or reversely, use the script as the main view and let it call the template. (I don't know how easy that last thing is with DTML, but the first one works). If you do this, the drawbacks of DTML becomes much less painful. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Using DTML from WYSIWYG editors is definitely a drawback. But, how many of us use them for doing our work? I might use Dreamweaver to clean up my sliced web template, but soon as I start my Zope work, it's all Crimson Editor coding by hand to Zope. Using Dreamweaver actually slows me down, it's easier to just code it. However, from a newbie perspective, not being able to run my Zope content in my fancy, drag'n'drop editor really bugged me a long time a go. Saying DTML sucks is only stating your difference of oppinion. At least give us some insight as to why it sucks. Technical, usability, or even marketing reasons would be helpful. But, come on DUH? Everybody will have their preference of languages, and even the way they like to layout the code. So I understand that some of us like DTML and some dont. All that aside, DTML may be ugly, but I dont agree. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :) Well, aside from the fact that you cant use DTML in WYSIWYG editors, I still dont understand why it is not good. If it is simple, easy to use, and it does the job, and I suppose, if you prefer it, why is it not good to use? I've beaten this subject to death, so time to move on. Thanks for hearing me out. Greg On 5/27/05, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/26/05, Greg Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is DTML really that much harder to use? Nah, but it's uglier. Also, the idea is that a web editor that confirms to the tsandard of ignoring things it doens't understand, should in theory be usable with TAL, but not with DTML. In practice, however, HTML editors don't do that. I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not as good? Well, it used to be. But logic crept into ZPTs as well. The good thing is to set up all the data in a python script or python method, and then use the template only to display this data. Zope3 has this separation built-in, when you create a page with a template it automatically gets connected to a view which is a python class, and you can specify your own custom view and set up the data there. In Zope 2 you have to call a script that creates the data, or reversely, use the script as the main view and let it call the template. (I don't know how easy that last thing is with DTML, but the first one works). If you do this, the drawbacks of DTML becomes much less painful. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Ah you are right. Just occured to me. That is kind of a pain in DTML, but I've learned how to deal with it. Makes sense. If I already have an object, say from a form submitted, in the REQUEST namespace, and I then retrieve data from sql and a column has the same name, I will have an issue. Which one is going to display in my var? I deal with this particular issue by changing my zsql method to return the column name differently, but there are other times when this may arise and it is a problem. And this causes you to have to do a bunch of messy dtml-call REQUEST.set's to set your vars correctly. I have learned how to deal with these things, but you are right, this is a problem with DTML and I can see how this exact issue helps make DTML messy and a little confusing. Great point. Thanks. Greg On 5/27/05, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/27/05, Greg Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, aside from the fact that you cant use DTML in WYSIWYG editors, I still dont understand why it is not good. Well, the fact that you get everyting directly into the current namespace, especially with DTML-in, and things like that, is the real problem. But as noted, by making all data-gathering in a python script, the problems with this are less and survivable. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
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Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
David H wrote: I understand that DTML will be in Zope 3. My question is, do namespaces and context also migrate to Zope 3? If not, could break existing code? I would suggest that the chances of any DTML from Zope 2 working in Zope 3 are slim, at best ;-) Why DTML is IN Zope 3 in the first place is totally beyond me... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Yellow, I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done... I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of Python where needed suits me fine! :-) Regards Hugo On 5/25/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David H wrote: I understand that DTML will be in Zope 3. My question is, do namespaces and context also migrate to Zope 3? If not, could break existing code? I would suggest that the chances of any DTML from Zope 2 working in Zope 3 are slim, at best ;-) Why DTML is IN Zope 3 in the first place is totally beyond me... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Hugo Ramos wrote: Yellow, I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done... I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of Python where needed suits me fine! :-) Regards Hugo Hugo, I figured as a dtml wiz a few years ago. Now I can't image doing w/out python scripts and suddenly DTML gives me a headache. I do think that DTML deserves a Hall of Fame Award but its time to move on. David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Yellow, I have the same feeling... Python should be the primary language used in Zope but let's not just cut the support on DTML leaving thousands out there spinning around and having to go into Python as fast as they can because DTML is not supported anymore. Changes take time... Getting used to Python only in Zope takes time... and I'm not so sure the employers out there are that kind allowing everybody to take time making the move. Regards Hugo On 5/26/05, David H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo Ramos wrote: Yellow, I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done... I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of Python where needed suits me fine! :-) Regards Hugo Hugo, I figured as a dtml wiz a few years ago. Now I can't image doing w/out python scripts and suddenly DTML gives me a headache. I do think that DTML deserves a Hall of Fame Award but its time to move on. David -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do templating. I can see the need for it in a large development shop,but for me, a 1 guy operation, I have no desire to complicate things. DTML works so easy for me. I do use Python scripts here and there for small and odd things that would be difficult or impossible to do in DTML, but like I said, that's maybe only 10% max of the functionality that I need to provide. (probably 5-6%) Having to move everything in Python is a hassle that I dont plan on doing for a few years. I'll just keep using Zope 2. I'd also be curious to know from all you other developers, what percentage of tasks that you need to perform or functionality you need to provide can be provided simply with DTML? Like for me, I can do quickly and easily do 90% of what I need in DTML. Is DTML really that much harder to use? I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not as good? But, for me, that separation is more complicated. DTML is easier for me. (partly because I know it) I dont know, DTML and the everythings an object concept in Zope are the very things that make Zope so attractive for a small time operator like me. I hate to see them deprecated just because it doesnt work for the larger companies out there. Of course, I may be totally ignorant about all this, huh? Anyway, starting to ramble... Thanks for any thoughts. Greg On 5/26/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yellow, I have the same feeling... Python should be the primary language used in Zope but let's not just cut the support on DTML leaving thousands out there spinning around and having to go into Python as fast as they can because DTML is not supported anymore. Changes take time... Getting used to Python only in Zope takes time... and I'm not so sure the employers out there are that kind allowing everybody to take time making the move. Regards Hugo On 5/26/05, David H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo Ramos wrote: Yellow, I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done... I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of Python where needed suits me fine! :-) Regards Hugo Hugo, I figured as a dtml wiz a few years ago. Now I can't image doing w/out python scripts and suddenly DTML gives me a headache. I do think that DTML deserves a Hall of Fame Award but its time to move on. David -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Greg Fischer 1st Byte Solutions http://www.1stbyte.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Greg Fischer wrote: I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do templating. I can see the need for it in a large development shop,but for me, a 1 guy operation, I have no desire to complicate things. DTML works so easy for me. I do use Python scripts here and there for small and odd things that would be difficult or impossible to do in DTML, but like I said, that's maybe only 10% max of the functionality that I need to provide. (probably 5-6%) Having to move everything in Python is a hassle that I dont plan on doing for a few years. I'll just keep using Zope 2. I'd also be curious to know from all you other developers, what percentage of tasks that you need to perform or functionality you need to provide can be provided simply with DTML? Like for me, I can do quickly and easily do 90% of what I need in DTML. Is DTML really that much harder to use? I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not as good? But, for me, that separation is more complicated. DTML is easier for me. (partly because I know it) I dont know, DTML and the everythings an object concept in Zope are the very things that make Zope so attractive for a small time operator like me. I hate to see them deprecated just because it doesnt work for the larger companies out there. Of course, I may be totally ignorant about all this, huh? Anyway, starting to ramble... Thanks for any thoughts. Greg On 5/26/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yellow, I have the same feeling... Python should be the primary language used in Zope but let's not just cut the support on DTML leaving thousands out there spinning around and having to go into Python as fast as they can because DTML is not supported anymore. Changes take time... Getting used to Python only in Zope takes time... and I'm not so sure the employers out there are that kind allowing everybody to take time making the move. Regards Hugo On 5/26/05, David H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo Ramos wrote: Yellow, I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done... I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of Python where needed suits me fine! :-) Regards Hugo Hugo, I figured as a dtml wiz a few years ago. Now I can't image doing w/out python scripts and suddenly DTML gives me a headache. I do think that DTML deserves a Hall of Fame Award but its time to move on. David - Greg, I agree with you: I would not convert existing code to ZPT unless a client asked me to. I too, am a one man shop - been doing it that way for like 14 years. I just made the decision to use ZPT for all *new* projects. I didn't like it much at the beginning but now I wouldnt do w/out it. ZPT has a magic of its own, its amazing! Plus, it seems to do force the mind to think in ways compatible with the direction of web developement evolution. The problem with DTML is its too good for, well, its own good. :-D All best, David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
Dne tvrtek, 26. kvtna 2005 22:03 Greg Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] napsal(a): I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do templating. I can see the need for it in a large development shop,but for me, a 1 guy operation, I have no desire to complicate things. DTML works so easy for me. I do use Python scripts here and there for small and odd things that would be difficult or impossible to do in DTML, but like I said, that's maybe only 10% max of the functionality that I need to provide. (probably 5-6%) Having to move everything in Python is a hassle that I dont plan on doing for a few years. I'll just keep using Zope 2. I'd also be curious to know from all you other developers, what percentage of tasks that you need to perform or functionality you need to provide can be provided simply with DTML? Like for me, I can do quickly and easily do 90% of what I need in DTML. Is DTML really that much harder to use? I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not as good? But, for me, that separation is more complicated. DTML is easier for me. (partly because I know it) I dont know, DTML and the everythings an object concept in Zope are the very things that make Zope so attractive for a small time operator like me. I hate to see them deprecated just because it doesnt work for the larger companies out there. Of course, I may be totally ignorant about all this, huh? I absolutelly agree with you, it is like my words. But separation of logic and presentation could be done successfully in DTML too. ZPT, which have separation argument is not as easy to make totally separated design as marketing says, for example see Plone - try to customize plone site to absolutelly different custom design - it is near impossible. -- Jaroslav Lukesh --- This e-mail can not contain any viruses because I use Linux ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
I use DTML alot, I also code all my HTML/CSS by hand for control sake. If you use a Dreamweaver, et al, DTML requires tool tweaking, if it works at all. If you read HTML, and are aware of all of the browser quirks, DTML is quick and easy... New tags are easy, they stand out and quite common... ASP, PHP, Cold Fusion and more... and I found DTML to be a nicely thought out tagging extension of HTML. I keep my display logic in DTML and do scripting in PythonScripts. I never had a great reason to get into ZPT, it didn't add any value for me with my HTML background. Probably the 90/10 split as well. DTML works fine in Homesite. Never cared for the WYSIWIG tools. Two Cents, -Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Fischer wrote: I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do templating. I can see the need for it in a large development shop,but for me, a 1 guy operation, I have no desire to complicate things. DTML works so easy for me. I do use Python scripts here and there for small and odd things that would be difficult or impossible to do in DTML, but like I said, that's maybe only 10% max of the functionality that I need to provide. (probably 5-6%) Having to move everything in Python is a hassle that I dont plan on doing for a few years. I'll just keep using Zope 2. I'd also be curious to know from all you other developers, what percentage of tasks that you need to perform or functionality you need to provide can be provided simply with DTML? Like for me, I can do quickly and easily do 90% of what I need in DTML. Is DTML really that much harder to use? I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not as good? But, for me, that separation is more complicated. DTML is easier for me. (partly because I know it) I dont know, DTML and the "everythings an object" concept in Zope are the very things that make Zope so attractive for a small time operator like me. I hate to see them deprecated just because it doesnt work for the larger companies out there. Of course, I may be totally ignorant about all this, huh? Anyway, starting to ramble... Thanks for any thoughts. Greg On 5/26/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yellow, I have the same feeling... Python should be the primary language used in Zope but let's not just cut the support on DTML leaving thousands out there spinning around and having to go into Python as fast as they can because DTML is not supported anymore. Changes take time... Getting used to Python only in Zope takes time... and I'm not so sure the employers out there are that kind allowing everybody to take time making the move. Regards Hugo On 5/26/05, David H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo Ramos wrote: Yellow, I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done... I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of Python where needed suits me fine! :-) Regards Hugo Hugo, I figured as a dtml "wiz" a few years ago. Now I can't image doing w/out python scripts and suddenly DTML gives me a headache. I do think that DTML deserves a Hall of Fame Award but its time to move on. David -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DTML in Zope 2 vs Zope 3
I agree, I find DTML great and s simple and clear. I wonder why Zopeheads hate this so much! Remy On 5/26/05, Jonathan Cyr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use DTML alot, I also code all my HTML/CSS by hand for control sake. If you use a Dreamweaver, et al, DTML requires tool tweaking, if it works at all. If you read HTML, and are aware of all of the browser quirks, DTML is quick and easy... New tags are easy, they stand out and quite common... ASP, PHP, Cold Fusion and more... and I found DTML to be a nicely thought out tagging extension of HTML. I keep my display logic in DTML and do scripting in PythonScripts. I never had a great reason to get into ZPT, it didn't add any value for me with my HTML background. Probably the 90/10 split as well. DTML works fine in Homesite. Never cared for the WYSIWIG tools. Two Cents, -Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg Fischer wrote: I am just curious, why is DTML not good? It does 9 out of 10 things I want quite easily. From my perspective, I really dont want to learn new ways of doing things if this works. I also have no desire to do templating. I can see the need for it in a large development shop,but for me, a 1 guy operation, I have no desire to complicate things. DTML works so easy for me. I do use Python scripts here and there for small and odd things that would be difficult or impossible to do in DTML, but like I said, that's maybe only 10% max of the functionality that I need to provide. (probably 5-6%) Having to move everything in Python is a hassle that I dont plan on doing for a few years. I'll just keep using Zope 2. I'd also be curious to know from all you other developers, what percentage of tasks that you need to perform or functionality you need to provide can be provided simply with DTML? Like for me, I can do quickly and easily do 90% of what I need in DTML. Is DTML really that much harder to use? I understand the whole idea of separating the logic and the presentation, and I guess, is that part of the reason why DTML is not as good? But, for me, that separation is more complicated. DTML is easier for me. (partly because I know it) I dont know, DTML and the everythings an object concept in Zope are the very things that make Zope so attractive for a small time operator like me. I hate to see them deprecated just because it doesnt work for the larger companies out there. Of course, I may be totally ignorant about all this, huh? Anyway, starting to ramble... Thanks for any thoughts. Greg On 5/26/05, Hugo Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yellow, I have the same feeling... Python should be the primary language used in Zope but let's not just cut the support on DTML leaving thousands out there spinning around and having to go into Python as fast as they can because DTML is not supported anymore. Changes take time... Getting used to Python only in Zope takes time... and I'm not so sure the employers out there are that kind allowing everybody to take time making the move. Regards Hugo On 5/26/05, David H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo Ramos wrote: Yellow, I think because of lazy people like me that prefer to use DTML in a fast way than go into a deep Python level to get the job done... I know that, eventually, one of these days I'll have to move on to Python only but until that day comes... DTML and a little bit of Python where needed suits me fine! :-) Regards Hugo Hugo, I figured as a dtml wiz a few years ago. Now I can't image doing w/out python scripts and suddenly DTML gives me a headache. I do think that DTML deserves a Hall of Fame Award but its time to move on. David -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-sendmail with a tab
--On Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2005 14:48 Uhr +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to send an e-mail with a tab. How can I do that with a dtml-sendmail tag? What is an email with a tab?? -aj pgpbvBfqBN6yT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-sendmail with a tab
Selon Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --On Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2005 14:48 Uhr +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to send an e-mail with a tab. How can I do that with a dtml-sendmail tag? What is an email with a tab?? -aj Sorry, for me a tab is an horizontal tabulation ( #9; or HT ). Best regards. Jean Tinguely This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] dtml-sendmail with a tab
Either he wants to charge the recipient, or he Just wants to send an e-mail from a zmi tab. If its something like the latter, this: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/DTML-HTML/DTML.16.html may help. -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Jung Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-sendmail with a tab --On Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2005 14:48 Uhr +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to send an e-mail with a tab. How can I do that with a dtml-sendmail tag? What is an email with a tab?? -aj ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-sendmail with a tab
Yellow, What is an email with horizontal tabulation??? hr On 5/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selon Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --On Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2005 14:48 Uhr +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to send an e-mail with a tab. How can I do that with a dtml-sendmail tag? What is an email with a tab?? -aj Sorry, for me a tab is an horizontal tabulation ( #9; or HT ). Best regards. Jean Tinguely This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-sendmail with a tab
--On Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2005 15:13 Uhr +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, for me a tab is an horizontal tabulation ( #9; or HT ). Best regards. Jean Tinguely Maybe by using \t...but no idea...if you want something extraordinary you should consider using Python's 'email' module to produce emails with fancy contentthis is maybe to sophisticated for dtml-sendmail. -aj pgpiwdNxhZLYP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
